The Conservatives have told Sir Keir Starmer that “it is not far-Right to stand up for the victims” of child sexual abuse and that “smearing people who raise those issues is exactly how this ended up getting covered up in the first place”. The Telegraph has more.
The Prime Minister said in a speech this morning that those calling for a national inquiry on grooming gangs were seeking to “jump on a bandwagon of the far-Right”.
Chris Philp, the Shadow Home Secretary, responded to Sir Keir’s remarks by claiming that “smearing people who raise those issues is exactly how this ended up getting covered up in the first place”.
He told the Commons: “A word on the Prime Minister’s comments this morning: It is not far-Right to stand up for victims of mass rape”. …
Sir Keir Starmer is “the best recruiting sergeant for extremism”, James Cleverly has claimed. …
The former Tory Home Secretary said that the words were “deeply insulting and counterproductive”.
Writing on X, Mr. Cleverly said: “When will Starmer and Labour learn?
“Accusing those who disagree with him, or who seeks legitimate answers about repeated failures of child protection, as ‘far Right’ is deeply insulting and counterproductive.
“He is the best recruiting sergeant for extremism,” he added. …
Lee Anderson has said that Labour should “hang their heads in shame” after he claimed that only one Labour backbench MP attended a recent debate on grooming gangs.
The Reform U.K. Chief Whip said: “The Labour lot over there are banging on about playing politics on this important issue, but the last time I attended a debate on child rape gangs, there was just one Labour backbencher that turned up. They should hang their heads in shame.”
Meanwhile, a Labour MP accused Conservative and Reform U.K. MPs of a “shameful attempt to stoke division at the expense of victims” by calling for a new inquiry.
Nadia Whittome, the MP for Nottingham East, told the Commons: “Calls now for a fresh inquiry from the Conservatives and Reform are a shameful attempt to stoke division at the expense of victim survivors and children.
“So I thank the Home Secretary for refusing to give in to this deeply harmful and defensive political pointscoring.”
This afternoon Home Secretary Yvette Cooper announced that child groomers are to get longer prison sentences as the Government scrambled to respond to renewed public anger.
Grooming will be treated as a statutory aggravating factor when judges sentence offenders for specified child sex offences including rape and sexual assault.
It will mean that judges will be required by law to hand down an additional length of time in jail on top of the sentence that the groomer receives for any sexual offence that they committed against the victim.
The grooming will not have to be sexual and it will mean longer sentences for abusers who are part of grooming gangs but may not themselves have groomed a child.
The tough new law was proposed by the Tories in their Criminal Justice Bill before the election but the legislation fell when Rishi Sunak called the election.
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Classic political bullshit.
As far as I’m aware the problem isn’t the length of the sentences. The problems are others.
Police turning a blind eye.
People who try to raise the issue being called racists.
General lack of action for fear of being accused of being divisive.
None of these things get solved with longer sentences.
God, why do we have to ruled by useless, self serving, mediocre people. It’s suffocating.
We actually don’t need rulers. Just a good set of rules and a system to enforce them. That’s it.
It is rarely the length of sentence that puts would-be criminals off, but the inevitability of being caught and prosecuted.
Did any of the convicted groomers fear being caught? If not, why not?
Lets face it they won’t serve a full term, and they will be let out with a tag if it leaves a place for someone who has tweeted something which the Labour heads don’t like.
Exactly, enforce the laws that you already have
It’s the “Public Servants” who failed to do their duty to protect the girls (police, social services, councillors, MPs and quite possibly Ministers) that they are desperate to protect from scrutiny.
The rot goes right through the Establishment.
Its almost like 2TK has something to hide, something he doesn’t want to have to answer for, so he calls people names and tries to deflect.
He was Head of DPP, he has questions that need answering, stop deflecting and face the music.
Nadia Whittome clearly positioning herself for a hike up the greasy pole.
Jesus wept. It was probably the Hitler book and a knife that did it.
“A taxi driver whose social media posts were a “catalyst” for riots that broke out after three girls were stabbed to death in Southport has been jailed seven and a half years.
Andrew McIntyre, 39, set up a Telegram channel called “Southport Wake Up” in the immediate aftermath of the knife attack at a children’s dance class in the Merseyside town on 29 July.
Liverpool Crown Court heard the case involved a “sinister aspect” of violence which took place in parts of the UK last summer.
McIntyre, of Rufford, near Ormskirk, Lancashire, had admitted encouraging violent disorder and possession of a knife in an earlier hearing.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/taxi-driver-jailed-southport-riots-b2674715.html
Its almost as if the vicious murder of 3 helpless young girls is not the main issue here, like its not a crime, but mentioning it or calling for justice is the actual crime.
Its like we’ve entered a twilight zone, and everything we ever thought was wrong – its not!
Everything that is happening is wrong, very wrong!
If you’ve got a Twitter account somebody here’s done a very interesting thread. They’ve got a British Newspaper Archive subscription and have posted several pictures of articles going back as far as the 1950s and ’60s, all of which are sexual assaults perpetrated by Pakistanis, many in Northern towns such as Bradford and Nelson. This is only some, apparently there’s lots.
They post that by 1962 there was 12,000 non-Europeans in Bradford, 8,000 were Pakistani. June Slater also posted her observations as a kid in Lancashire where there was a ‘cafe’ owned by ‘Asians’ and she saw white girls arriving with these men, including her friend she suspected was molested as her behaviour changed afterwards. That was 1967. So this all goes way back, doesn’t it? It’s like it’s just been normalised and accepted over generations, which is seriously warped and concerning;
https://x.com/Tauroctonia/status/1876035545694130644
https://thenewconservative.co.uk/the-problem-is-not-racism-it-is-a-lack-of-racialism/
Roger Watson at ‘the new conservative’ with his views on the Pakistani rape gangs. Sadly, Oldham gets star billing. The article is ruined by the usual apologia:
Thank you for posting this educational link. A cancer within has been proliferating in some British towns and cities ever since.
The country to which these evil child groomers can trace their heritage is pretty irrelevant. It’s far more important that anyone who writes about grooming gangs states that the majority are made up of Muslim men.
Once people know the basics of Islam i.e. women and non believers are viewed as second class citizens and Muhammed married a 6 year old girl (he was in his 40’s) and consummated the marriage when she was 9, it becomes obvious why some Muslim men think it’s fine to groom/rape young white women/girls.
None of these facts will be considered by a public enquiry.
Agreed that it’s far too much Islam in general but back in the 1950s/60s I don’t think there were many Afghans, Syrians etc in the UK so the historical evidence of sex abuse linked to this one specific country goes back much further than most people are aware of, presumably, so there’ve been red flags there for some time. I’m obviously not inferring that white, native men have stopped raping and abusing children and women but due to inviting more and more Muslims, and their incompatible culture, into European countries it’s now become this deep-seated, organized ( and ignored by authorities, for the most part ) and prolific problem that the likes of, say, Hungary doesn’t now have to contend with all these decades later. The warning signs were there long before Soros and his mass-immigration/replacement plan ever took off, so now it’s been completely out of control for far too long, with no signs of letting up;
”George Soros spent billions to create the fake asylum-seeker nightmare that is destroying America and Europe”
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876446327254704534
The vile details and evidence of mass cover-up and complicity by police and authorities just keep on coming. It was/is so widespread it’s almost like a subculture of abuse was permitted to carry on with no interference from anyone and a total dereliction of duty by all those whose role it was to uphold the law and protect the vulnerable. The welfare of these girls mattered to precious few that were in a position to stop this, it would seem;
”What happened when police caught a grooming gang abuser in the act next to their station?
Nothing. He told them what he was doing, and they politely drove away.
Despite attacking victims as young as 11, he was released last month. He served 9 years of his 19-year sentence.”
https://x.com/SAshworthHayes/status/1876002332577870041
https://thenewconservative.co.uk/the-problem-is-not-racism-it-is-a-lack-of-racialism/
Roger Watson at ‘the new conservative’ with his views on the Pakistani rape gangs. Sadly, Oldham gets star billing. The article is ruined by the usual apologia:
“Before the keyboard warriors of the cancel culture brigade get a head of steam about the title of this article, they should read it correctly. We need more racialism, in other words, the acknowledgement that there are differences between groups, differences mainly routed in culture as opposed to genetics. That is not racism, which assumes an innate superiority of one race. There is no place for that. After all, 42% of sexual exploitation is apparently perpetrated by white men. That also needs to be addressed.”
A couple of points here. Firstly, differences “routed in culture as opposed to genetics.” It wasn’t just culture that produced the greatest nation on this planet Dr Watson and secondly “sexual exploitation” is apparently perpetrated by white men.” Maybe, however white British males are not known for raping, torturing and abusing on an industrial scale. White males do not rape on an industrial scale on the grounds of a victim’s race and do not treat industrial rape as a community pastime. I am also not aware of white fathers passing on the ‘tradition’ of raping under age white girls to their sons. According to the information provided by Mogwai above / below Pakistani males clearly do see this hobby as worthy of being passed down the generations. Some bloody culture.
I am weary of those who wish to comment on matters so serious who for some reason always feel the need to say sorry while at the same time criticising no matter how feebly.
No race is superior to any other based on genetics or skin colour. However some cultures/beliefs are superior to others in that they’re more likely to lead to human happiness or at the very least less human misery. A culture/belief that recognises women have the same hopes, fears, wishes etc. as men rather than being chatterall that can be used/abused or treated as second class citizens is far more likely to lead to happiness for 50% of the population. Therefore it’s obvious that some cultures e.g. “Western” culture is superior to other cultures e.g. Islam.
Agreed, Matt. But it’s evident just from this site that there are many non-Muslim men who view women as inferior and don’t recognise us as individuals who “have the same hopes, fears, wishes”, and demonstrably look upon us as second class citizens that should not be afforded the same opportunities or rights as men.
So in the context of the above article it’s cultural but elsewhere it’s a general hostile attitude towards the opposite sex.
Correct.
Why have politicians, the police and council leaders lost their moral compass ? Are they only interested in themselves and their legacy? Well, their legacies are now totally trashed and irredeemable. Anyone who was involved in covering up this vile inhuman behaviour, or failed to call it out while knowing it was going on are as guilty of these crimes as the men who committed them. They have enabled these sub-human perpetrators to carry out their crimes by their cowardness to call it for what it was – child rape. These ‘officials’ were accomplices to these crimes. If they had any sense of morality they would have put a stop to it when it was first brought to their attention. They only thing they deserve is a long spell in prison. The storm is coming.
Interesting isn’t it that the unhinged left have spent the last decade persecuting people for using the wrong pronouns, microaggressions and the merest perceived whiff of sexism or racism, yet take a “nothing to see here” approach to vile, sexual abuse of poor little girls. These are the people who think they are awash in moral virtue.
Add in persecuting people for what they say online.
Quite a few people have been given lengthy jail sentences, mostly recently 7 years for a few tweets, for allegedly “stoking” last years riots/violence.
It’s obvious that the left wing virtue signallers think that words are far more harmful than deeds such as rape/grooming.
Two Tier Kier and Pixie Balls Cooper will probably let a muslim rapist out of gaol to make a space for him.
Am hesitant to comment on this disturbing and distressing topic, but here goes.
Am somehow reminded of Will Knowland, the English teacher dismissed by Eton College four years ago for uploading to YouTube a well-researched, well-structured and erudite presentation (“The Patriarchy Paradox”) given to sixth formers at the College, which examined some elemental aspects of human behaviour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTHgMxQEoPI
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9895175/Eton-teacher-sacked-refusing-YouTube-lecture-cleared-professional-misconduct.html
The same contemporary attitudes that sacked Mr Knowland for telling home truths need to be held accountable for pandering for decades to an identifiable subset of the male populace responsible for bestial sex-crimes against a predominantly indigenous subset of the female populace.
Draining the swamp long overdue.
Whenever I hear that term, ”toxic masculinity”, my mind always automatically goes to Islam, for this is ingrained in their culture. Aside from Islam I’d assert that there’s only ”toxic everybody”, because as the evidence all around demonstrates, ”toxicity” is an attitude, a mindset, which is not exclusively dependent on what genitalia one might be in possession of. To ascribe this so-called ‘toxicity’ to one gender alone is to deny the reality that it is also very much alive and well in the opposite sex.
Agreed. Perhaps there’s a matriarchy paradox too.
Can somebody explain Keir’s logic in saying that, because the public deserves truth, honesty and transparency from their politicians, that’s a valid reason for not having a public Inquiry?
Is it just that “weighing evidence” is a Far-Right talking point?
When Kneel says that “the public deserves truth, honesty and transparency from their politicians,” what he means is the public might deserve but they are not going to get.
Labour are doing everything they can to prevent an enquiry, they do this for political and power reasons, their power is held up in many areas by the Muslim vote, they don’t want to upset that, so the abuse of little girls and the cover ups will not be investigated properly, even if there was to be an enquiry the terms would be such that the colluders and enablers would be protected.
Power is the most important thing to retain, everything else is open to sacrifice to hold on to it.
So Yvette Cooper’s fiddling with the legislation will mean “longer sentences for abusers who are part of grooming gangs”. Great – so we can pay to keep these vile individuals in prison for even longer at our expense. Those that can be deported should be deported without the delays that our left wing judiciary will undoubtedly secure – also at our expense.
A clamp down on dangers extreme left wing policies and a return to common sense is long overdue
Will someone please demand Sir Kier ‘Far Wrong’ Starmer identify the ‘far right’ he keeps referring to? Who are they? Where are they?
Where do they publish their bandwagon agenda? What does it say?
How can anyone jump on a invisible band wagon for a far right no one so far has identified nor identified who they are, where they are and what they say?
The invisible far right?