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Tax the Non-Doms? We’d be Better Served if Politicians Embraced Tax Competition

by Mr Chips
5 March 2024 9:00 AM

Over on my blog, I write a lot about tax on education, which is close to home – I’ll be clobbered for tens of thousands of pounds if we have to pay VAT on the kids’ school fees. If we don’t, and start getting school for free paid for by the taxpayer, then the silver lining will be the lifetime saving of hundreds of thousands pounds. Mrs Chips or I (or both of us) gets the opportunity to quit or go part-time, and reduce our lifetime tax contribution by hundreds of thousands of pounds.  

Today I want to write about the tax on non-doms. Unlike the tax on education, it only affects me indirectly. Like the tax on education, it’s a terrible idea. I’m going to explain why it’s a terrible idea, why I care so much, and what the so-called Conservative Party should do about it. If you need a primer on non-doms, I can’t do better than this article at the Chartered Institute of Taxation.

The Laffer Curve

Both the tax on education and the plan to remove non-dom status brings into play the Laffer Curve, which is one of the simplest ideas in economics. The more you tax an activity, the more likely people are to avoid the tax by: 1) reducing or stopping the activity; 2) hiding it in the black economy; or 3) moving the activity abroad. The net gains from increasing the rate include the losses on reduced activity. There is some ‘peak revenue’ tax rate – beyond that point, the losses exceed the gains so increasing the rate means less revenue.

A few nuances: 

  • We don’t just care about maximising tax revenue, we also care about the impact on the private sector. For any useful activity like working, investing or educating children, the goal for society is not ‘peak revenue’ for the Government, but balancing the societal cost (reducing useful activity) with the societal benefit (whatever Really Good Idea the tax revenue pays for). The optimal point is therefore some lower rate of taxation than ‘peak revenue’.
  • The claim is seldom that “tax cuts pay for themselves”. The general claim is that tax cuts do not cost as much as a narrow analysis indicates, and in reverse, tax hikes do not generate as much as you might think. That said, the famous 45p or 50p top rate of income tax (which, lest-we-forget, is complemented by 2% employee NI and 13.8% employee NI) was said by the IFS and OBR to be “strolling across the summit of the Laffer Curve”.
  • Of most relevance to non-doms is that economic actors and their activity are not created equal. Some people have greater capability than others to change their behaviour. If you have three passports, for example, you have easy options to move overseas. If you’re on a higher income, it’s easy to work less and still get by – most simply, you can just switch cheaper forms of leisure and consumption for more expensive ones. If you’re paying for private school, there’s a free taxpayer-funded place theoretically available at much less stress than trying to earn fees from after-tax income. 

The fiscal impact of ending non-dom status

Non-domiciled U.K. residents don’t pay tax on their income from their holdings in (say) Malaysia unless they bring that income into the U.K. That’s the bone of contention for the Labour party, which has been eyeing up that Malaysian shoe factory for years. Over the last couple of weeks, it’s been rumoured that the so-called Conservative Party is following them down the same rabbit hole.  

But the Laffer Curve will apply as described here. Non-doms are by definition highly-mobile – if they don’t like what this country offers them, they’ll take steps to change things. And if they do, it hurts, because in all the hullabaloo we forget that they pay U.K. tax on their U.K. labour and investment income. According to the Chartered Institute of Taxation, non-doms paid £8.5bn in payroll and capital gains taxes in 2022 – £120k each – which makes them pretty useful to the Exchequer. Further, they pay a charge of £30-60k a year to maintain their non-dom status (around £2bn total). And finally they do pay tax on their global income if ever they bring it into the U.K. or if it enters a U.K. bank account.

I’m pretty confident the bean-counters at the Treasury are capable of taking some of those effects into consideration. They’ll be weighing up:

  • The benefits of taxing £10.9bn of offshore earnings
  • Against the loss of the non-dom charge which presumably won’t exist, plus the loss of onshore taxation if non-doms leave

I’m less confident they will think of:

  • The loss of U.K. value-creation by non-doms’ labour and investment activity. As noted above, we care about this as well as the tax they do, or don’t, pay. If Bob’s paying £120k associated with onshore activity, that hints at a ton of related customers, colleagues, employers and employees all paying related taxes, which disappear if Bob heads to the Cayman Islands.
  • The ability of non-doms to restructure their overseas holdings: if Bob doesn’t physically move himself to the Cayman Islands, he might suddenly realise he should move his Malaysian shoe factory to the Cayman Islands for tax purposes. I’m no expert, but I think that’s what people do.

I don’t have a crystal ball, but I can see these latter two effects wiping out the expected revenue.

The moral case

Money aside, it’s rather boring that all our politicians’ take on tax is “if we can tax it, we should”. We’re desperately short of a spirited moral defence of low taxation. Here’s a couple of thoughts:

  • Two of the more robust arguments for progressive ‘taxing the rich’ are: 1) they benefit disproportionately from property rights; 2) their economic activities accumulate resources whose supply is inelastic, such as housing, which harm opportunities for others. Obviously, those claims have zero validity as regards Bob’s Malaysian shoe factory or the profits from it as long as they stay offshore. British society at large has no conceivable claim on value generated in Malaysia.
  • If we’re concerned that our Government doesn’t always spend money well (to put it mildly), we should welcome tax competition. A tax is the price a Government charges for a person or firm to reside, and if people are able to choose it forces governments to compete to provide value. If rich people spend or invest their money, and can choose where to do it, we should be delighted they do it over here.

What the U.K. Government should do

  • First, just make the U.K. an attractive place to invest – for Brits and foreigners, resident and non-resident alike. That’s going to make a hundred times more difference than piffling around with non-doms.
  • If we were clever (just imagine if we were clever), we’d note that not all non-doms are created equal. We’d make non-dom status conditional on some measure of economic value-added, such as evidence of inward investment or volume of direct tax contribution. We wouldn’t just let people buy up Chelsea in order to qualify for a tax haven.
  • Then we’d allow everyone, including home-grown Brits, to purchase that status. Think of that: once you’re paying (say) 10 times the average tax contribution, you can invest offshore to your heart’s content, then we’ll only tax you on it when you bring home the bacon. What an incentive for talent and investment to move here; what a recognition of the importance of value creation; what a way to export soft power as the home of outbound investment for the world.

I’m sure it’ll catch on, what with the loud pro-prosperity voices echoing the corridors of Whitehall. 

Mr. Chips is a pseudonym for an employee of a private school. He writes on Substack.

Tags: Conservative PartyLaffer curveNon-domsTax competitionTax RisesTaxes

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago

It was never a dangerous disease. As evidenced by the downgrade from being a High Consequence Infectious Disease back in March 2020.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Didn’t seem to matter one bit in March 2020. Won’t matter now.

I remember pointing this out at the time as if it was going to have some effect in people’s minds. Simpler easier times, when we all still thought bleedingly obvious facts would have an impact.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I shouted it from the rooftops at the time, and all I got was a Does Not Compute look, or a “how dare you!” response .

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damage124
damage124
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

You are so right. “it never was a dangerous disease”.

This information was available to every scientist and government in the world, so why did they treat it as Ebola times 10?

Why did we completely ignore our own plans for dealing with a flu outbreak?

Why? because the U.S. had been formulating a scheme to deal with post 9/11 biological terror attacks since 2005 when their DHHS ( Department of Health and Human Services) started to investigate the effects of new severe influenza ‘A’ viruses as being similar in requirements to man made biological attacks.

In 2005 they promoted new domestic increased pandemic vaccine production capacity, stockpiling of anti viral drugs and pre pandemic vaccines and for the “use of community mitigation measures” to slow the spread of the disease. (sound familiar, lockdowns for short).

They stated that “the U.S, was wholly unprepared to address the significant medical and health needs that a severe pandemic might present” They suggest that, pandemic influenza threats are one of the greatest public health challenges of our time, other emerging infectious diseases can also have a devastating impact on human health.”

However, the capacity and capabilities developed for pandemic viral influenza preparedness will enable HHS to respond more effectively to other emerging infectious diseases”.

This report was updated in 2009 and again in 2017.

What is also clear from this report is they wanted to make every effort to include as many relevant government agencies; from CDC to CIA to Homeland security and Scientists from across the nation and from as many countries in the world as they could. Including, it would appear our own. They are following the U.S. plan religiously.

Along comes Sars-Cov-2 and the full, well lubricated (billions of dollars), machine roars into action.

Just one small problem; Sars-Cov-2 wasn’t remotely in the category of severe pandemic.
Trouble is, once the behemoth is moving, it’s impossible to stop.

If you haven’t yet lost the will to live, and are prepared to read the 2017 edition, you can find it by researching

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

Pandemic Influenza Plan
2017 Update

Only 52 pages for your enjoyment and horror.

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Andy R
Andy R
3 years ago

I wonder if Ferguson is backing off the pro pandemic pro lockdown rhetoric because he’s losing credibility.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  Andy R

i don’t think he’s to bothered about losing credibility, its something he excels at

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Andy R

Which credibility?

That’s still the guy who had is otherwise-married female bedmate travel twice all across London, even without a mask as that wasn’t the miracle cure already back than, during the first lockdown.

This strongly speaks for the fact that he’s very realistisc regarding his assessment of personal risk, IOW, that there is none. But that’s not what he’s getting paid for when making public statements.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Andy R

When did he have credibility?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Andy R

He’s following the game plan.

Vaccines have saved us.

Cue pat on the back from Bill and his pharma buddies.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I suppose we can’t have a freedom of information request for conversations between Gates and all those shaping current policy? Come to think of it, it’s an absolute scandal if he has the slightest influence on current policy.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Didn’t Cummings say in his testimony to the parliamentary commission that people from the Gates Foundation met with him in March 2020 to put forward the vaccination solution to the crisis?

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james007
james007
3 years ago
Reply to  Andy R

Perhaps Ferguson will at some point claim to have saved us all and come out with some models to ‘prove’ it.
Johnson is backing pro-pandemic Pro-lockdown because of the Cummings ‘revelations’ and he wants to look like a serious prime minister with a plan.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago

engine room, we need more power, up the PCR Ct to 55 – but captain it just cant take it….

Prof Pants Down seems to be giving the credit to dodgy vaccines – more likely its after nearly 2 years of highly contagious virus circulating the vast majority of us have natural immunity, dare I say natural herd immunity – despite the dodgy vaxxeeeens

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Wasn’t it University College London that stated the UK had achieved herd immunity a couple of months ago?

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thelightcavalry
thelightcavalry
3 years ago

I look forward to SAGE doing its stint in the chain-gang.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

The concept of “confirmation bias” should be drilled into every single person from a very young age. You see it everywhere these days. Government says everyone should wear masks: “Well, we have to do what the government says, always.” Government says you don’t have to wear masks: “Well, what does the government know? Let’s be safe.” Or maybe, just maybe, you’re only listening to the things you want to listen to, and despite all this talk about “science” and “policy”, you don’t care at all about any of them, unless they can enable you to be a small tyrant.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago

The Delta scariant is as dangerous as Flu (0.2% CFR, much lower in under 50s) according to the government in May.

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mka1221
mka1221
3 years ago

Doesn’t make any difference, they’re not going to let the ‘control group’ of unvaccinated go without being hounded to the ends of the Earth. There’s too much face saving and profit at stake.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  mka1221

Probably true – but they now have a much harder nut to crack!

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
3 years ago
Reply to  mka1221

Damage control until we get to Autumn and then we will have old people dying with respiratory illnesses again

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

which will be the fault of the “unvaxxed”, and never mind that this happens every year.

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Tinxx
Tinxx
3 years ago

There is nothing in the “cautious statement” From Neil Ferguson that could not have been said two months ago. It is only at the point that his “inevitable” 100,000 forecast looks completely untenable that he suddenly claims a fundamental change to the forecast equation has occurred. As someone who works with this kind of data analysis all of the time I can tell you for free – the forecast equation only changes when it is proven wrong by the data. Compared to the “inevitable forecast” date, the only thing that has changed is that the positive test line has dropped dramatically. His forecast is wrong because his model assumptions were always wrong and the data confirms it. To claim a fundamental change in the formula due to the vaccine effect is about as disingenuous as it gets. Watch for the BBC to start treating him as the man who called the end of the pandemic…

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Tinxx

“His forecast is wrong because his model assumptions were always wrong and the data confirms it.”

Exactly!

… and what is really interesting is that, after all the years and instances of getting things wrong, such models seem totally immune to the sort of feedback from real world data that should lead to some improvement.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

oh, goody, the models have reached immunity!

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8bit
8bit
3 years ago
Reply to  Tinxx

And there are those who still assume this whole bedlam is nothing but a monumental cock-up caused by blunders – a continuous, unerring daisy chain of by the numbers blunders.

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chris c
chris c
3 years ago
Reply to  8bit

And simultaneously in 140 countries – or was it 180? A lot anyway all making the same cock-ups and blunders. Nothing to see here.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Tinxx

Neil Ferguson predicts that the first Rangers vs Celtic game will have 1500 goals.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago

Johnson and cabinet puffed and blustered about our “world beating” vaccination programme, forcing it down the public’s necks, the majority of whom have now succumbed, many feeling that they had no choice. The so called “cases” are dropping, The high death rate is no longer (with or without the vaccine?) but just like a child with an abusive parent, who has tried in vain to appease the parent and done everything right, this is STILL not good enough, and the abuser comes down even harder. We KNOW they have this stored up for us. We KNOW we are going to be continually abused. Neil Ferguson may be backtracking now, to save face, but he’ll be back to his old tricks when given the nod. These are the behaviours of psychopaths.

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Tinxx
Tinxx
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

It’s worth re-reading Christopher Booker’s Private Eye investigation into the Foot and Mouth debacle to understand the mindset of this self same set of experts from 20 years ago. The parallels involving poor modelling, manipulated data, wrong timelines, political opportunism, dodgy graphs, media manipulation and expert grandstanding are uncomfortable to say the least.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Tinxx

After his first catastrophic blunder, Ferguson should have been sidelined. That he’s still in such an influential position 20 years later is astounding.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
3 years ago
Reply to  Tinxx

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/special_reports/not-the-foot-and-mouth.pdf
Because it took me a while to find it!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Ah yes, Tim Yeo, the man who profited from his government’s wind turbine policy. Probably also reported by the late great Christopher Booker.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

The next scariant will be rolled out in short order.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

there’s always the possibility that they’ve been lying about the number vaccinated hence all the current bs.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

True: it is all about lies, damned lies and made-up statistics!

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alanbaird10
alanbaird10
3 years ago

I still don’t get it, why would anyone have the app on their phone now unless their boss commanded it?

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  alanbaird10

its quite handy for those who want some time off work to potter about in the garden

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
3 years ago
Reply to  alanbaird10

Since it’s your personal mobile I’m not sure how a boss could command it? I’d just say I didn’t have enough memory space or no phone anyway

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

No phone is a good one- the blank looks when you say this are priceless!

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adamino
adamino
3 years ago

Preparing us for autumn, winter…

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

Johnson the libertarian will be announcing in August the new social control system.

Vote for Brexit, take back control. He didn’t mention he was referring to himself and his cronies, not the 66 million plebs he rules over.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

68 million. Or possibly over 70 million, they really have no idea.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“The PM’s remarks may be little more than prudent caution”

WHAT? No, everything the government has done since March 2020 is RECKLESS, not cautious. They threw the orthodoxy out of the window.

“The Government needs to sort out its messaging on this.”

You mean they need to stop lying? Or just tell different lies, or lie more consistently?

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

There seems to be this odd ‘Let’s give Boris the benefit of the doubt’ meme infesting some articles.

No! Just pin the long-time fat, lying bastard with his lies and obfuscations!

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I would expect better from Will, who I am sure has little time for him.

Also disappointing to see continued stupidity/evil portrayed as “caution”. The whole point of the lockdowns was that they were untried and specifically cautioned AGAINST in all previous planning.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

yes, wreckless not cautious. Continued restrictions at this time last year was a disaster, never mind now and seemingly for the foreseeable future.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Why should anyone be surprised? The climate change bill was easily the most ruinously expensive in history, the discredited HS2 rolls on, housing construction has been deliberately suppressed for base political reasons, with disastrous consequences for many. The way we are governed is a scandal, and has been for quite a long time.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They are cautious in the same way that punches from Mike Tyson are healing aids.

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Dave
Dave
3 years ago

“And I’m positive that by late September or October time we will be looking back at most of the pandemic”

That really, really worries me. That twat has been so wrong, so many times, if he says something positive then look out!

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Quite.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Most being the operative word.

You’ll still have a full frontal view of vax passports, permanent health surveillance and permanent health passes for international travel.

Other than that, it’ll be mostly over. Hopefully. Well, maybe. Well, let’s see how the numbers look and what SAGE say.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

A pity really, for the first time in years, I’d quite like to go abroad. Looks like it may never happen now.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave

yes, thought the same!

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

I just want him dead and buried and if that makes me a bad person, I don’t care!

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago

I’ve always thought that Johnson is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is, despite being able to knock out a few Latin epigrams and working as an ersatz Churchill impersonator. Every piece of garbage that now emerges from his mouth reveals that, as well as being a weak, lying weasel, he is as thick as a brick. His vaulting ego is such that he seems unable to process any simple information or to understand the most basic of concepts. Of course, as a Classicist, basic science and mathematics are below and beyond him, as the financial chaos we now face will amply demonstrate.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

I reckon that just about nails it. Although nothing about a classical education inhibits basic scientific literacy/understanding ; the term ‘Renaissance Man’ admits as much, even if specialisation and the growth of knowledge has removed a lot of possibilities from reach.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I think you’re being unusually charitable towards him there, RickH. I can’t believe he hasn’t noticed it’s all nonsense, if for no other reason than his political sense will always be wondering how things will play with the public and media so will keep a watchful eye out for things that are so obvious that even the gullible public and compliant media could call him out on, like the dodgy predictions from Whitty presented last November/December to justify more stringent lockdowns.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Nothing, absolutely nothing will stop the final push to get as many jabbed as possible before the year end. I call the year end as its when the CDC have decided PCRs are no more. Its very clear from co-ordinated efforts in western nations.
Johnson is taking his instructions as part of the ‘club’, his job is not to do anything that would jeopardise his position. So he has put it out that he is relecting to pressure on the gas boiler business and putting that back 5 years. It will please some of his major critics in the Tories and give him the breathing space to see the biotech ID project to a conclusion.
Macron was looking to 31 December for ‘health passes’ laws to encourage jabbing, he has had to temorarily at least concede 15 November; but you see the pattern.
As many have said, there is so much BS about the covid/SARS stats etc , but it makes sense if you work backwards from theultimate aim of biotech IDs and what was required to get there. They see the next 5 months as bringing that to fruition.
SARS2 /covid will be allowed to drop off the radar screen, but we will all be prisoners.

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baboon
baboon
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

 I call the year end as its when the CDC have decided PCRs are no more. 

Sorry peyrole but bad news – the CDC document doesn’t say that, it actually expands the use of PCR for the flu. This was covered by UK Column yesterday:

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-26th-july-2021

They are now mandating flu jabs. The next gen flu jabs will be mRNA. SAGE and Fauci are calling for masks forever. By expanding this nonsense to the flu, they can make this go on indefinitely. I would imagine that would also include lockdowns for the flu, all in the name of “saving the NHS”.

The medical tyranny via the passports will result in the Social Credit system. The Chancellor has announced a government crypto which will replace cash. No prizes for guessing if they will link this to the passport or not.

Not had your latest booster and flu jab? Well, sorry, we will have to turn off your UBI payment until you sort that out, you filthy anti-vaxxer.

What’s ironic is that us “conspiracy theorists” have known this was all in the works for years. None of this was a secret, it was all on websites for organizations like the UN, the EU, Bank of International Settlements, World Economic Forum, etc.

Instead of focusing on stopping these evil bastards, we have wasted years arguing about which bathroom 0.03% of the population should use and whether maths is racist (all by “their” design of course). Divide and conquer is the oldest political tactic known to man.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago
Reply to  baboon

I don’t think we are disagreeing. My point was the drive to get as many jabbed as possible before the drosten Rt-PCR test is abandoned. This will form the basis of their biotech iD system. Of course it won’t stop, it will progress for the dual purposes of control and creating income streams.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  baboon

“Filthy anti-vaxxer”. The new “filthy Jew”.

That “Nuremberg” quote at the demo was bang on the money.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You are right, of course, regarding the width and breadth of knowledge and learning available even to anyone educated in the Classics, and that has been so throughout history. What inhibits those qualities from being present in this particular individual is precisely that; the individual himself. His chimerical childhood fantasies, apparently going strong in middle age, of being King of the World or the like, now reveal themselves as Dreams of Dictatorship, rather than a benevolent ruler.

I expect that a perceptive and unbiased psychologist could readily identify in him, characteristics he shares with Stalin, that German leader and several other “bad actors” of the twentieth century.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

Austrian leader of “Germany”?
II suspect this century will be worse for bad actors. At least some of the 20th century ones had principles of sorts.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

I suspect Churchill would have nothing but contempt for Boris and his cowardice and weakness

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Churchill was a Georgist and Boris is a feudalist.

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vlysander
vlysander
3 years ago

Of course it is Boris…have a day off wont yer…

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Turns out it’s a lot further than even I thought- and I’ve been appalled by the sheep like behaviour of people for decades.

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Marmalade
Marmalade
3 years ago

Boris is far more dangerous than the virus ever was, that’s for sure.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
3 years ago
Reply to  Marmalade

Increasingly P.M. Johnson looks like a sinister deranged version of Father Jack, it shows what a state we are in if this monstrous Great Dictator with the appearance of a mad telly tubby is allowed to continue to be in charge of this, one time, mother of the free, that used to be the UK.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

oh, Fr. Jack would’ve been far better on this, and he certainly wouldn’t have banned drinking on the tube.

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Mayo
Mayo
3 years ago

While hoping that Ferguson is right on this ….

We’re not completely out of the woods, but the equation has fundamentally changed.

,, it may turn out to be his worst prediction yet.

I’ve been quietly following Geert Vanden Bossche ever since his controversial videos a few months back. The recent decline and increase in cases follows pretty closely the scenario GVB described in the videos. He’s now posted another article on his website and it doesn’t make very pleasant reading.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down

I herewith reiterate that I will continue to distance myself from those who pretend the pandemic is over or at least toning down as a result of growing herd immunity (HI). I take issue with the way the observations of genomic/ molecular epidemiologists are downplayed and with the fact that immunological data are oftentimes ignored, taken out of context, misinterpreted or not understood. I do not concur with experts who pretend that the pandemic has now started transitioning into an endemic phase and that the virus will eventually spontaneously degrade into yet another common cold CoV that is only of minor concern to public health.

Whatever people think of GVB, he has stuck to his guns from the start. I wouldn’t bet against him.

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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Well he’s definitely going to be wrong in the U.S. after December when they bin the PCR test.

You can also bet on Ferguson having prior knowledge of something similar happening over here this autumn/winter.

The NHS will have to change their tests in order to distinguish between common colds and influenza.

The pantless shaman would never pass up on such an opportunity for more soothsaying like that.

Last edited 3 years ago by Monro
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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Why would they bin the PCR test in the US after December, and not now?

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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They are transitioning from now.

‘In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. ‘

Last edited 3 years ago by Monro
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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Monro

To what?

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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

‘CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

Visit the FDA website for a list of authorized COVID-19 diagnostic methods.’

What happens in America never stays in America.

Last edited 3 years ago by Monro
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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Do you know whether the alternatives are any more accurate?

South Dakota, Florida and Texas have stayed in America.

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thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They are not binning the PCR test in America, see @baboon’s comment and link above.

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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  thefoostybadger

They are binning the PCR test:

‘After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

Visit the FDA website for a list of authorized COVID-19 diagnostic methods. For a summary of the performance of FDA-authorized molecular methods with an FDA reference panel, visit this page.

In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test.’

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thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
3 years ago
Reply to  Monro

As much as i would wish you are correct, you are not. Read the whole article. If you already have, can we leave the propaganda to others please.

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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  thefoostybadger

I am not quoting from an article.

‘‘After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only.’

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

The key words ‘for detection of SARS CoV 2 only’

Last edited 3 years ago by Monro
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thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
3 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Tim….not seeking an argument. it’s only the EUA that is being revoked, that test is still listed on the approved list of Molecular Diagnostic Tests.
Read it earlier, cant link just now.

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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  thefoostybadger

I agree that it is important to be correct here.

All I can do is quote direct from the CDC website.

The influenza/covid combined test will be a PCR test but it will drastically cut down the number of incorrect covid diagnoses, indicated by influenza having ‘disappeared’ this year, only, of course, it didn’t really.

That is a major step forward which will put covid in perspective alongside influenza; a long overdue normalisation, in good time for the U.S. mid term elections, not that that will save them from a fearful drubbing.

Last edited 3 years ago by Monro
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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  Monro

‘In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.’

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Monro
Monro
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes they will be because the mid term elections are 08 Nov 2022.

We have council elections next year so I would be very surprised if the NHS doesn’t move from PCR to mixed SARS CoV 2/Influenza tests this winter as well.

We haven’t seen the libertarian stance of some U.S. States replicated over here yet but some more savage beatings at the polls lie in wait for this government, if only because they cannot get their own vote out.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

a sobering read ending with…

Last but not least, it must be emphasized that those calling themselves ‘experts’ while pretending that this pandemic is ‘a pandemic among the non-vaccinated’ are devoid of any scientific insight in the evolutionary dynamics of Sars-CoV-2 as currently shaped by a combination of high viral infectivity and vaccine coverage rates. Neither the vaccinated (who merely believed the vaccine would protect them from Covid-19 disease) nor the non-vaccinated (who simply believe there is no need for them to take the vaccine in order to stay protected) are to be blamed for the escalation of this pandemic. Mass vaccination is the one and only culprit.

Last edited 3 years ago by Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

I cannot follow much of the unexplained science babble in this text but the following excerpt

But how on earth would a treacherous virus all of a sudden breed descendant variants that are no more harmful than a common cold CoV?

is sufficient to discredit this guy forever insofar I’m concerned as he must know how completely wrong all of the implied factual assertions in this sentence are.

Last edited 3 years ago by RW
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zebedee
zebedee
3 years ago

School kids aren’t being tested now that schools out – especially if their parents want to go on holiday. Hence the drop?

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  zebedee

You can check for yourself as the testing and “case” stats are here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
Only the % positive is meaningful, but no-one publishes that.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

Great fat gibbering, blubbering, witless, spineless, gutless, communist fraud.

He is farting through his mouth again.

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ChrisDinBristol
ChrisDinBristol
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Ahhh, that’s how Savage Jabbage got it. . .

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago

‘Clearly very dangerous’ is a thought clearly shared by the Guardian-look a like English language mag in France called Connexion. Time was it was almost worth reading…
Thought I would share the latest ‘covid fear porn’ article itemising localised anti-pandemic measures employed by local psychotic fascists not content with the national lunatics.
You will note the dangers of ‘amplified music’ and the demon drink, don’t go there….!
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-4th-wave-France-Check-mask-wearing-and-other-rules-in-your-area?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=0e5f91fcee-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2021_07_27_2021&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9b5fbe85b4-0e5f91fcee-357796174

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Is there an ‘irony’ deficit on this site?

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Fungus the Bogeyman is less pessimistic than Bozo?
Has the sun taken to rising in the west?

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The PM is on a personal mission to get everyone jabbed. Ferguson probably doesn’t care about that – he may be confident that more cases can be found come the autumn.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago

Some French healthcare staff seem to have relocated their moral compass:
Breaking news:

“French hospital workers in Nice have decided to not give the vaccine any longer.”

Dan Ⓥ on Twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/nderssonD/status/1419772936349749251?s=20

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

Just so I understand this clearer, as I am a Covidiot and of very little brain. The pig dictator has had Covid and has had a double vaccination against Covid but has caught covid from being in contact with another double vaccinated person and has had to self isolate.

Can somebody please explain to me (in very simple language as I’m a Covidiot), how effective are these vaccines and why hasn’t the pig dictators own immune system helped him against Covid?

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Who is self isolating?

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Err Boris after saying he was exempt.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago

Yes, this is still a Very Dangerous Disease and appears unlikely to go away. I presume he is referring to the zombies eating his brain?

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karenishly
karenishly
3 years ago

I feel sorry for poor old Boris, he can’t see the wood for the trees, he’s got his own thoughts and beliefs then the doom mongering from the grim reaper and his mates. He has no one he can rely on.

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gone_loopy
gone_loopy
3 years ago
Reply to  karenishly

He is completely responsible for this shitshow

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  gone_loopy

shambles, old bean. 🙂

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

Why are restrictions always referred to a cautious?

Both lockdown enthusiasts and opponents alike do this.

In reality, a slow exit from lockdown is cautious in the same way a slow reduction in the number of punches from Frank Bruno is cautious

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago

I know it’s a quote in the headline, but maybe we should replace “this is” with “i am” !

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago

It seems to me that those who never turn tv on are in a much sane place than those who watch regularly. It isn’t just the news, it’s everything that is broadcast. The television has become a purveyor of propaganda and fear.

We do not own smart phones either so we have never been dogged with NHS ‘information’ or apps to give us permission to enter shops, etc. We have carried on our lives as normally as we can. We have gone wherever we want and when venues have been open we have not been stopped. We don’t go to theatre or concerts anyway because we have found them boring and insidious over the last few years. We do not, however, want to stop others from enjoying their leftwing activities. The problem is many people don’t stop to question why they have to do as they are told in order to have a life. They don’t question that surely this is communist regime stuff. Why don’t they question this and why don’t they just drop the apps and leave their phones at home.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

The penny does not seem to be dropping, I cannot think why its either because the writers are hopelessly naive regarding Boris Johnson and his motives or they can see what is being laid before their eyes but sheer terror and disbelief means they refuse to see it.
Boris Johnson will do everything and anything to keep the Covid terror story going, he is incapable of letting it go, his career is tied to the thing and if its controlling effect on the population goes down, so does his. He loves the thrill of playing God over people’s lives. He will never let this go, not until he has bought the people of this country down to his level, wherby they turn on each other at his bidding. If you don’t believe the orchestrated segmentation of society is underway, can I draw your attention to the uproar surrounding Javid wherby he had to grovellingly apologise for using the word cower to describe the atitiude of much of the population. and contrast this with Michael Gove who has been allowed to get away scot free after calling those who have not had the Covid injection Selfish. So identifying and calling for the isolation and public condemnation of one group of society who do not obey the Government. Johnson and his cabinet are setting in motion a series of events that will under his watch see great unrest and division in society all in order to allow him to keep the powers he has accrued to himself under the disguise of Covid. These are dangerous times for the non conformist

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Zoomer@14
Zoomer@14
3 years ago

These power crazed psychopaths can’t give up Project Fear…

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barrywinn
barrywinn
3 years ago

Running scared now as their lies are exposed.

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Lykos
Lykos
3 years ago

The government is keeping up with this farce in order to get rid of the surplus vaccines purchased, probably preplanned. The vaccines/genetic treatment are in use under emergency authorisation. They need to maintain the “pandemic “ so that the vaccines stay on the shelf otherwise they would have to be removed (as the vaccine has not been properly trialled and tested). It would also appear that the government planned all along to vaccinate the entire population, not just the elderly or vulnerable otherwise they would have purchased just enough to cover the elderly and vulnerable; after all, you don’t cook for 500 people when only 20 are coming to dinner. I am also surprised at the low key news reporting about Fauci and his dealings/emails with research on gain of function at the Wuhan IoV..
Ecohealth Alliance, who had a connection to that institution and research, unsurprisingly have a Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation employee as a science policy advisor! The CEO also was one of the “inspectors “ sent in by WHO to investigate the lab and had to retract his statement that there was no evidence there at the lab linking it to the SARS 2 virus.. our MSM are deliberately keeping information from the general public. Not surprised as they are paid by the government and in the case of the BBC, get funding from the B&M Gates Foundation…as does Imperial College..

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neilhartley
neilhartley
3 years ago

I do believe Mike Yeadon said that this would only end when Sage said it would. Looks like October then.

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago

At least here in Wales, Mark Drakeford hasn’t scrambled to allow in the more infectious ‘fully’ vaccinated from the US and the UK.
Why do Boris et al think that letting in the people who are most likely to be infectious as a result of ‘vaccine breakthrough’ ,which is now very common in the US (and everywhere else that has high levels of vaccination – every variant being involved not just Delta), is not going to contribute to rising infections in the UK?

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Newman20
Newman20
3 years ago

It’s never been a dangerous disease for the overwhelming majority of the UK’s population.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

If Pantsdown is optimistic, should we start to worry?
Of course, we all agree that Bozo is still a deadly disease.

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