Ex-Tory MP Andrew Bridgen, who was expelled from the party for criticising the Covid vaccines, has announced he’s joining Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party, making him its first member of Parliament. At a press conference today Bridgen said he would be standing at his North West Leicestershire constituency at the next General Election. He also confirmed he would be suing Matt Hancock MP for defamation over an allegation of antisemitism.
At the press conference this morning Bridgen confirmed he has decided not to appeal his expulsion and blasted the Conservative Party. He said:
Even if I were to be given a fair hearing, which I doubt, I would not wish to rejoin the party after the treatment received by myself and my family over the past few years.
I feel now that the party no longer represents the people of this great country. If I am to represent my constituents and countrymen it must be from outside the party which I have served dutifully for many decades.
I will be standing again in North West Leicestershire at the next election. Not as a Conservative, but as a Member of the Reclaim Party. More than anything, the Reclaim Party stands for freedom of speech.
I will cross the floor today, Wednesday May 10th, and sit on the opposition benches as the first Member of Parliament for the Reclaim Party. I say first because I have no doubt I will not be the last. This is just the beginning.
If the Conservative Party wishes to contest my seat it can do so at the next General Election.
I have more confidence that I will win my seat than the vast majority of sitting Conservative MPs, so I welcome the challenge should the Prime Minister and Parliamentary Party wish to take it.
Bridgen was accused of antisemitism for agreeing in a tweet with an anonymous heart doctor he quoted that the Covid vaccine rollout was “the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust”.
He has denied the allegation – which we at the Daily Sceptic agree is spurious and an example of a weaponised antisemitism allegation to achieve political ends. This morning Bridgen confirmed that he will be suing ex-Health Secretary Matt Hancock for defamation after the Conservative MP tweeted in January that he was spouting “antisemitic, anti-vax, anti-scientific conspiracy theories”.
The disgusting and dangerous anti-semitic, anti-vax, anti-scientific conspiracy theories spouted by a sitting MP this morning are unacceptable and have absolutely no place in our society
— Matt Hancock (@MattHancock) January 11, 2023
My question to @RishiSunak in PMQspic.twitter.com/6ospPGfi9a
In a YouTube video Bridgen said he has submitted a “defamation claim to the Royal Court of Justice against Matthew Hancock MP”. The basis of the claim is that Hancock’s accusation of antisemitism is “a false slur to deliberately try and shut down valid concerns raised by me on behalf of constituents and thousands of others around the world about the safety and efficacy of the experimental COVID-19 injections”.
Matt Hancock in the dock: that’s a court case to look forward to.
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If there are it will be attributed to climate change, not the two year vandalism of economies and global supply chains.
The current Stop Putin message from the EU is just extreme environmentalism with a new PR coating.
Yes, that’s why they provoked Russia to the point of invading the Donbas. All part of the plan.
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but they did actually provoke Russia. Trump warned them that Russia will attack if they keep doing what they were doing.
Here’s yet another daft idea:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/04/15/ban-european-flights-and-car-use-in-cities-to-hurt-putin-report-urges/
Putin is ensuring a second Holodomor in Ukraine.
“it will be attributed to climate change”
This is the essence of the Empire of Lies in which we now live. Elites generally have lies that they use or live by, but our current elites are particularly disconnected from the nations they should be part of, and particularly endemically dishonest because they are ideologically motivated rather than pragmatic and conservative. They lie routinely and systematically, about everything, to twist it to serve their ideologies, their agendas, and their power and wealth.
Yet some sceptics will try to argue that yes, they lie about all those things – covid, climate change, BLM, “gender” and identity politics, but we should still believe everything they tell us about Russia and the Ukraine, and all those fairy stories they’ve told us over the years to instil hatred and fear of Russia. All those bizarre and absurdly unlikely stories about people who just happen to be their chosen enemies apparently choosing to engage in ridiculously self-harming comic-book villain crimes. Targeting of individuals which poisonous substances when just shooting them would be so much easier and infinitely less costly in PR terms. Supposed uses of chemical weapons that are utterly pointless, when they are winning anyway and have nothing possible to gain from doing so that would come remotely close to the costs. Fantasies about supposed manipulative interventions in our elections that just happen to implicate the political enemies of the aforementioned elites.
This problem is the one that will take us over the cliff edge of societal collapse. This problem is the one we should be addressing urgently, to the exclusion of all others.
Not the problems between foreigners that the elites are so busy screaming at us to look at, instead of their own depredations, and so busy using to justify more money and powers funneled into their own hands.
So what did happen in Salisbury then? Criminal gang? Elements that Putin didn’t have control of? Something else? Whatever the case, it was a disgraceful act that shouldn’t have been allowed to happen, and has caused huge damage to that city
Who knows? The Official Truth story is absurd on its face, though.
It was pushed by known liars (the same UK security state people, broadly, who pushed the now utterly discredited Russiagate lies in the US), who clearly have an agenda of promoting confrontation of Russia. but as to whether they opportunistically exploited a crime that someone else committed, or manufactured the whole thing, who can really say? These people have essentially infinite resources and connections to cover up and manipulate investigations and reporting. We will likely never know, short of a revolution and a full opening up of the UK regime records.
All the same, once it became clear what Russia intended, with the invasion of Georgia and Russia handing out all the passports it could in the Crimea at around that time, our government should have done everything it could to see what could be done about ensuring peace in the former SU/ Warsaw Pact region – unless our government didn’t want peace – in which case they have committed a hostile act against us.
Our regime should have other priorities than “ensuring peace in the former SU/ Warsaw Pact region”. Though pulling out of NATO after that organisation became a trouble-making redundancy after the end of the Soviet Union would have helped, and would have been good policy generally.
If so, they shouldn’t have become dependent on Russian oil (and Ukrainian sunflower oil).
Certainly there was a missed opportunity after the end of the SU for a reset in relations with Russia. Someone once said that the EU should have tried to get Russia to join (though whether they’d have wanted to is another matter).
We aren’t “dependent” on either.
As for the Germans, they obviously did the right thing buying oil and gas from the best supplier. The mistake they made was letting the US and globalist elites dictate their energy and foreign policy to suit their agendas of confrontation of Russia and climate alarmist nonsense.
All the same, I assume we’re more affected by rising global prices of them than if we’d had a sensible energy (or agriculture) policy.
Obviously. But “affected by” is not”dependent on”.
The fact that they are not “sensible’ policies is no accident!
Whatever the dire consequences, it is increasingly obvious that they are all deliberate and being co-ordinated by all International Global Institutions, starting with the UN, the WHO and the Banks – the “Great Reset” is real if we allow it!
Ah well, I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised they’re not working for us. And some of us thought the UK could get independence in 2016!
Being caught by that scam, with the Chief Scammer and his gang still in Office still hurts!
One if the greatest fears of the Pentagon and US Deep State is a German Russian total rapprochement and economic alliance – has been since the Cold War.
The US had a big shock back in August 1939 with the Ribbentrop – Molotov pact!
Just imagine, if Hitler had changed his mind, followed Bismarck’s policy of friendship with Russia and scrapped “Barbarossa “?
Keeping economic and military control of Europe has been a US Foreign Policy goal since Kissinger – hence the sponsorship of Schwab at Harvard, where Kissinger taught.
Pro- Russian Schroeder as German Chancellor was a thorn in the side of the US Deep State …interestingly he was followed as Chancellor by Schwab’s “Davos Girl” Merkel and her “magic” Rauter sign they all seem to like so much
Yes. Don’t they interfere in a lot of African states too?
Thank God Russia didn’t join the EU. If Russia can maintain some independence from the Globocrap carnage there is at least hope for some of humanity.
The last thing the US neo-cons and Nuland would ever allow is a positive ‘reset’ in relations between Europe and Russia – as we now clearly see.
Spot on.
the UK is the lead player ij the Anti-Russia stance and constant propaganda, has been for years
You can’t really distinguish between our on deep state and the US deep state. Same people, same attitudes and agendas, pretty much.
I seem to remember a story about how the New World Order types decamped some years ago from London to New York…
Yes, true. But we do seem to have an especially pro – active role at present!
That’s true.
“unless our government didn’t want peace – in which case they have committed a hostile act against us.”
There’s your answer. Don’t forget our current Orwellian state of horror has been a long time in the planning.
As I have said repeatedly on here the answer to any state issue is always the exact opposite of the one given by government.
On the particular issue of Salisbury Mark is correct and we probably never will know the true story but it sure has hell has nothing to do with what we have been told. Personally I tend now to the view that it was a pantomime from start to finish.
Yes, it had all the features of a pantomime – except for the unfortunate death of the innocent woman who we were told picked up a poisoned perfume bottle.
We also have the now debunked ‘Steele Dossier’ as another example of a pantomime stunt hitting at both Russia and Trump!
A great bustup reported today involving , Piers Morgan, Farage and Trump. Do you think he ever would drain the swamp?
Even if he attempted, how would he ever be allowed to when all the US Institutions are firmly in the hands of his sworn enemies?
I seem to remember a story that the “US” president doesn’t really have very much real power (unlike France), and that is why they were prepared to vote for someone like that. Still, it would be nice to think that his heart was in the right place. I still wonder if some of the current nonsense is in part revenge for 2016 (here and there).
Yes ..one of the last Presidents who thought he had real power and tried to exercise it was JFK …it didn’t end well.
If he ever did, he would find Morgan neck deep in mud.
I’ve looked in detail at the evidence for this and it’s very strong – surely enough to convict in a UK court in the (deeply unlikely) event that were ever possible.
The most often quoted evidence against – that Putin wouldn’t need to kill Skripal by such a elaborate method – is not evidence, but an assertion of motive.
According to the Russians, 2 of their agents came to England see Salisbury cathedral only, having never travelled here before, and not shown any interest in architecture before.
They flew into Gatwick but stayed in a hotel in East London, forcing them to make a long journey down to Salisbury.
They went twice. The day before the murder, they said it was too cold so they want home again. (Yes, they are Russians.)
CCTV footage shows them walking out of the station the wrong way, heading for the Skripals in a quiet residential area of town, nowhere near the cathedral or any other possible tourist attraction.
They were in town for about an hour, at exactly the right time.
Then they flew back immediately to Russia.
Traces of novichok were found in their hotel room.
There’s more too, but if that’s not enough to convict, then we should let everybody out of prison. There’s no such thing as evidence.
“I’ve looked in detail at the evidence for this and it’s very strong”
LOL! Of course you have, and of course it is.
Anyone interested enough can do their own digging. I did at the time and it was clear that there were huge question marks over every aspect of it, but as usual it depends who you believe.
In the end, the cui bono trope and sheer common sense is enough to dismiss the idea of a Russian government plot.
Your cui bono is entirely speculative and does not count as evidence. I’ve seen plenty of possible motives for the attack. But in the end, what would matter in court is the hard evidence – and that is a slam dunk certainty for conviction.
Your “hard evidence” is a lot softer than you pretend, once you factor in the all pervasive lying.
Russia does not dispute much of the evidence, including the CCTV footage and the fact that they were in Salisbury on consecutive days.
Which facts are you disputing? Please, no more speculation about motives.
So what? Clearly something was going on. What’s obviously untrue (because self-evidently absurd) is the Official Truth narrative that they concocted to string all the facts and the “facts” that they had to play with, to make it serve their very obvious agenda.
You’re still not moving beyond speculation about motive and personal opinion.
In this case, there are enough facts which are accepted by both sides to get most of the way to a definite conclusion. But you won’t engage with any of them.
Did more than enough at the time. Not interested in going over it all again, since people like you have no interest in the truth anyway, only in how the narratives, however ridiculous, can be used to serve your agenda, just as with the zero covid nutters, the BLM liars and the climate alarmist zealots.
Like I said, the info is out there, for anyone who is still interested.
All you’ve got is speculation about motive. And you know that, so you don’t want to lay it out.
This is interesting in reference to our conversation in another thread, when you suggested you had become a sceptic as a result of covid misinformation. But the Skripal incident long precedes this. You’re a long term conspiracy theorist after all.
There is no evidence that puts the 2 Russians in the Skripal’s street, let alone at their house.
Do you actually know anything about this case?
The Russians were captured on 2 cameras, heading in the direction of the Skripals in a quiet residential area, the opposite direction from the cathedral.
So you agree there’s no evidence that puts them in the Skripal’s street.
To get there they would have to pass further cameras. No shots from those have been released showing the 2. This is what made Rob Slane, a Salisbury resident, initially suspicious, and he later demolished the official narrative on his blog.
No, there were no further cameras. This was a quiet residential area.
AFAIK Slane claimed there was other unreleased footage of the Skripals, not the Russians, and in the centre of town, not the Skripals home.
He does not explain why the Russians were heading the wrong way from the station, towards the Skripals, at the right time.
The argument isn’t that the further cameras were near the Skripals but that to get there the 2 would have had to pass them.
He doesn’t need to explain why the Russians did what they can be shown to have done.
AFAIK that is not what he’s claiming. He’s talking about cctv cameras in the shopping centre, not on the way to the Skripals.
Please link if you have something else.
Anything to do with Novichok is what is disputed. Being in Salisbury on consecutive days is not a crime.
Someone suggested (perhaps in the Telegraph) that, rather than Russia having a laugh getting them to tell a ridiculous story, they were actually punishing their spies for doing a bad job by getting two men to say they had gone on holiday together, with the implication that they were deviants (which of course would be something of an issue for them in the rather less decadent Russia).
Yes, I remember that bizarre interview on Russian tv where they looked shifty and the presenter seemed to be implying a relationship. That has nothing to do with the evidence however.
Incidentally it has been revealed since that there was a third Russian agent present at the same time, who had travelled to Salisbury a year before.
Thanks for the UK MSM version of events – we all trust everything pushed out by the MSM after two years of orchestrated non-stop “Covid Horror” don’t we?
After all, the whole world believes everything it hears on the BBC as the ‘purest truth’ doesn’t it?
It’s not a version, it’s a list of facts, most of which are not even contradicted by Russia.
So whatever version you have, is all your own.
It is “version” of the “facts “- ever heard of those?
Try looking up Covid Stats.
For example, CCTV footage is a fact, and it’s not disputed by Russia.
What is the point of disputing things that no one else does?
I don’t think you understand Novichok. If ‘traces of Novichok’ had been found, the staff cleaning the room would likely have dropped down dead due to coming into contact with it.
MI5/6 have an uncanny ability to fabricate evidence, make up story lines and have no shame when they have been exposed as inveterate liars in public.
Whatever those two Russians were doing, it was not smearing lethal chemical weapons over hotel rooms.
Yes, the UK Security state are known liars, unlike Putin who is the mythological George Washington reincarnated and on steroids, not only can he not tell a lie, he has never told one in all of history.
So what did happen in Salisbury then?
You likely need to address that question to organisations that are based a lot nearer to Salisbury than Moscow. The Skripal novichok affair was and still is utterly unbelievable, likely it was dreamt up one boozy Friday night in a pub not too far from Vauxhall Bridge.
There is no remotely credible explanation for the evidence – much of which is accepted by both sides – other than that they were 2 Russian agents, sent to kill Skripal.
The Skripal novichok affair was and still is utterly unbelievable,
Which aspects don’t you believe? Do you deny that
There you have it!
Hard to tell what the real truth was – but in the light of subsequent events it was certainly not what we were told at the time.
The death of the unfortunate woman who picked up the perfume bottle from a waste bin was obviously an ‘unintended consequence’ – as we know the other anti-Putin Russian ‘victims’ had a miraculous recovery and were speedily spirited out of the public eye and never heard from again before any more questions could be asked !
W also know that ex-M16 man Steel was responsible for the ‘Dirty Dossier’ of now admitted lies about Trump, using a Russian context to generate “Russiagate” and try and discredit the President to serve the Clintons’ accusations at the time.
Well – I know tat the CIA have previously abducted people for chemical testing under the guise of alien abduction; and that they war gamed faking the second coming of Christ for the Cubans (and this was decades ago). So who knows what might be going on this century? Not much would surprise me.
Well – I know tat the CIA have previously abducted people for chemical testing under the guise of alien abduction;
Goodness! How did you get to know that?
Probably read it on Daily Sceptic.
Why don’t you stick to the DT then?
Do you know Gates gives the DT £3.4 million to “promote” his Vax policies with its special “World Health Team” assembled for the purpose around a year before the “pandemic” was announced?
Origins, by Phillip Day. A nun who’s a friend of his recommended one of his books so I trust him..
She’s happy to sleep in a car boot and eat road kill so that inmy mind gives her more credibility than some of these vested interests.
How would you react if I said that I knew CO2 caused temperature rise because I read it in a book and friend of the author who sleeps in a car boots and eats road kill recommended the book?
It wasn’t miraculous. It was a slow and painful process which has been well documented.
It involved (amongst other people) scores of ordinary NHS staff. Are you saying they’re all lying?
Really? The poison was supposed to be deadly in the tiniest amount – obviously the Russians were so stupid that they couldn’t even get he dose right!
People don’t have to be “lying”, just fooled. ( See Mark Stein’s analysis of Government’s own Covid vax stats on GB News)
As we have seen over the last two years “well documented” by UK media does not mean truthful.
Steyn? I saw it. I’m hoping the news reaches Brighton…
The poison was not administered directly, it was placed on the doorhandle.
The Skripals and Nick Bailey (the policeman) were all treated in an NHS hospital. Many of the staff have been interviewed since. Are you saying they’re all lying?
How could you bribe all these people, who were just random staff in a ordinary hospital?
Sounds like a right whodunnit. There’s got to be a crime thriller in there…
Yes, and fortunately we know the answer!
“it was placed on the doorhandle.”
Nonsense: Skripal fed some ducks before going to the pub and shared his bread with some boys, one of whom ate a piece.
None of the boys became ill, therefore there was nothing on his hand at that point.
No, Novichok was found on the doorhandle and this what also poisoned Nick Bailey (first policeman on the scene).
My point is that it can’t have been on the handle when Skripal left home because if it had been his contaminated hand would have put some on the bread which the boys touched and ate without suffering any effects.
Remember, this is really, really, really deadly stuff.
We don’t know the concentration of novichok, and the method of transmission was crude.
We do know that Nick Bailey was poisoned by the doorhandle later – and it didn’t kill him either, although he was forced to retire from service from ill health.
Is Nick lying? Is he pretending to be ill? Is his wife and family pretending? Are all the NHS staff who treated Nick and the Skripals lying?
Oh come on.
None of the points you make prove that the stuff was on the handle when Skripal left the house.
The lack of ill effects suffered by the boys suggest he was contaminated AFTER the duck-feeding. This would also explain why the deadlyy novichok apparently took so long to make him ill: it didn’t.
Novichok was identified on the doorhandle by chemical analysis, not speculation. So for your argument to be correct, it would need to be a UK government conspiracy – involving large numbers of people including ordinary NHS staff and local police.
It makes the poisoning of Nick Bailey and Dawn Sturgess inexplicable – they’re not necessary to the story.
And it still leaves the problem of what the hell 2 Russian agents (plus a third nearby) were doing in Salisbury, near their home, at exactly the right time.
Nor does it explain why they flew into Gatwick but stayed in East London, when Salisbury was the only place they visited.
Nor does it explain why they also came the day before.
Your account is so limited it excludes almost all the evidence.
Whereas, by one simple stroke of Occam’s razor, everything fits together if we accept the blindingly obvious – that the Russian agents were the perpetrators.
obviously the Russians were so stupid that they couldn’t even get he dose right!
Presumably they decided they couldn’t easily apply it directly to Skripal without arousing suspicion so they put in on the door handle (well substantiated) and took the risk that Skripal would have sufficient contact to be poisoned – but the dose was not totally under their control. Also I don’t think anyone anticipated that immediate treatment could save people who had had a light dose – after all it is an area where there is almost no experience.
He wasn’t treated immediately: he fed ducks, went to the pub and had a meal before becoming ill.
Yes, he was treated the moment he fell ill.
And yet the evil, cat-stroking genius in Moscow thought it was a great idea to go through all this palaver, and take the inevitable huge cost to Russian diplomacy because….reasons.
In truth we should admire the effort the Moscow government (sorry, “Putin”) went to, in order to find the most chancey, uncertain and counterproductive way to fail to kill someone it would be possible to dream up. I think they probably achieved that goal.
Impressive stuff.
Though they ought really to have had Putin give a news conference with some gutsy children, where he chuckled evilly, admitted his guilt and told them all his plans.
Once again, all you’re doing is speculating about motive.
You’re making an entirely unreasonable assumption that the Russians even expected the novichok to be discovered. From their point of view, the Skripals were most likely to die at home, undiscovered perhaps for many days.
Not one single factual point from you yet, Mark. You’re not addressing the evidence, just making assumptions about possible motive.
I don’t know why Putin wanted to kill Skripal – I guess one possibility is he wanted to show anyone else thinking of becoming a double agent that his power of retribution extends even to the UK. Novichok might be a dramatic way to do it that everyone would know was down to Russia without there being any clinching evidence. There is also a theory that he wanted Skripal dead but the decision on when and how to do it was made a lower level in the GSU without his approval.
You can lay on the sarcasm about Putin’s image – but that is not an argument. Of course he is not a James Bond villain. But history is full of stories of strong men (they are usually men) that come to power sorting out a country in chaos, and often doing a lot of good initially, but then eventually become murderous dictators. There is nothing absurd about that story. After all his Russian opponents have a habit of ending in jail or dead.
Don’t waste your time with this site’s resident Putin fangirl, he says Putin’s critics censor themselves, arrest themselves, imprison themselves and censor themselves.
Fentanyl exposure is what happened in Salisbury. An A&E consultant documented it, but the Establishment covered that up sharpish. Novichok was never used there and anyone with any capability for linking known properties of ‘novichoks’ to what actually happened knows that the Skripals would have dropped down dead in seconds had they been exposed to it.
FOI requests showed that there was a gap in tracking the blood samples of the Skripals between when they were taken to Porton Down and tested. Symptoms suffered by them were similar to fentanyl overdose. We are then to believe that a perfume bottle containing Novichock turned up in a park and killed someone but no other people were harmed by a deadly substance.
‘Yet some sceptics will try to argue that yes…’
Then they are not sceptics. We never take a day off, never for a minute believe anything without independent verification.
A timely reminder of just one of the ways they lied to rig the 2016 US presidential election:
Tucker: Biden has not been able to think clearly for years now
And remember, people who protested that shamelessly dishonest travesty of supposed democracy were lied about as “insurrectionists”, and some of those accused are still in custody today, held for sheer partisan punitive vindictiveness, much like Assange, by their political enemies in power. Again, lies from the Empire of Lies.
This goes beyond the past two years. This is driven by the net zero agenda, along with the global reset. Everything they have been doing for the past two decades has led up to this. The constant propaganda against nuclear power. The push for more and more renewables. The demonization of fossil fuel. It has all lead to now, today, where the EU is underpowered and dependant of gas. The fuel prices have skyrocketed, and this will be reflected in the cost of food.
This is the result of their plan to stop us from driving cars, stop us from having access to healthy food, and making us dependant on the state.
200 plus subsequent comments. Oh this must be interesting, and then I looked.
Fingal has wound a few up, taken over the thread and now it is a load of nonsense.
Don’t bother.
Oh how I agree. The topic is famines and he is blithering on about the Salisbury poisoning. Totally off topic – not even useful as am adjunct to the topic.
I wish the mods would bump him off.
200 plus comments. This must be interesting. No. Fingal is let loose and has taken over with his usual nonsense.
Maybe Toby is paying me to be here and stir up controversy.
European Commission has produced a chart with advice on driving less, turning heating down, work from home, use public transport instead of car, don’t drive on Sundays, etc to:
‘Save money, reduce reliance on Russian energy, support Ukraine and help save the Planet.’
The multi-curative properties of Snake-oil are amazing.
“Add the risks of nuclear escalation, and the West’s current approach becomes increasingly hard to understand.”. Only if we ignore the increasingly obvious – the war is planned and wanted/needed to drive an agenda which will result in economic and social reform. The West certainly do not want a peace deal, all they’ve done is banded around aggressive rhetoric and flung personal insults about. Personally, I also think there is a strong possibility that Putin is also complicit, but it’s impossible to know what is really the truth these days.
“Flung personal insults about”.
Yes, don’t we lockdown sceptics know it?
Covid – the gift that keeps on giving. Especially to the gormless nerks responsible for our covid response
On the bright side, commodity prices fell after the 70’s.
I don’t recall consumer prices following suit.
Unfortunately, anything connected with prices (as opposed to the value of money, earnings and purchasing power) operates in direct contradiction to the “What goes up must come down” trope.
There’s always some SOB with a reason to get his hand into your pocket or wallet.
Bill Gates
Can someone reboot Hugh, please, he’s got stuck.
A Microsoft version of Tourette’s?
Yes but was there really any need to (effectively) shout at all those people who suggested that proper farming (no, I won’t define it) might possibly be healthier, assuming one can afford it? I tried to be patient with you at first, but you did start to get a bit tedious.
Anyway, maybe we can agree to disagree? There’s plenty of other pressing issues. Free speech and all that…
No. Bill Gates…
“the West’s current approach becomes increasingly hard to understand.”
Not when you understand that the USA is using Ukraine to fight a proxy war against Russia
This isn’t a proxy war – Putin is directly attacking the west, not just the US.
I suggest that you watch what happens should Russia place troops and bioweapons in independent sovereign nations, close to the USA, such as Venezuala and Cuba.
Putin is merely doing what he promised if NATO tried to expand into Ukraine and that it did not remain neutral.
It’s a myth. And it’s irrelevant to the thread, so let’s not waste time it.
Tricky to prove a negative, so best that you didn’t bother.
Basically, it’s a long argument and off topic.
On the contrary it is right on topic – is that perhaps why you wan to deflect?
Well, mea culpa, I’ve now been guilty of spinning off topic myself, with Salisbury.
Fingal? Deflect the conversation?
Never.
“It’s a myth.”
Seems that someone should have told Victoria Nuland before she testified to a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing in Washington,
We can get a rough idea of the US involvement in the military biological activity in Ukraine if we rely on open sources as well as leaked documents. Below is an attempt to reconstruct the chronology of this involvement, though not a comprehensive one.
1991 – the US launches the Nunn-Lugar programme for the former Soviet countries to control/eliminate Soviet weapons of mass destruction including bioweapons. The Pentagon’s Defence Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) was named as the programme’s main executor.
1993 – the Ukraine-US Agreement on the Prevention of Proliferation of WMD is signed.
2005 – an additional protocol is signed to the agreement between the Ukrainian Health Ministry and the DTRA on the prevention of the proliferation of technologies, pathogens and know-how that can be used to develop bioweapons. This is the start of the transfer of the Ukrainian military biological potential into US specialists’ hands.
2000s – large US military-industrial companies are engaged in military biological activity in Ukraine.
2005-2014 – Black & Veatch Special Projects, a DTRA contractor, builds and upgrades 8 biolabs in Ukraine instead of eliminating military biological infrastructure, as was originally claimed. One of the facilities, a biolab in Odessa, has been financed since 2011 for the study of “pathogens that can be used in bioterrorism attacks.”
2007 – US DoD employee Nathan Wolfe founded Global Viral Forecasting Institute (subsequently – Global Viral), a biomedical company. The mission stated in the charter is non-commercial study of transborder infections, including in China.
2009 – Rosemont Seneca Partners is established by former US Secretary of State John Kerry’ stepson Christopher Heinz and incumbent US President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden.
2014 – anti-constitutional coup d’etat in Ukraine.
2014 – Hunter Biden joins the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company.
2014 – Metabiota, a private commercial organisation specialising in the study of pandemic risks is detached from Global Viral. Neil Callahan and John DeLoche, employees of Hunter Biden’s company Rosemont Seneca Partners are appointed to the board of Metabiota. Global Viral and Metabiota begin to get funding from the US Department of Defence.
2014 – Metabiota shows interest in Ukraine and invites Hunter Biden to “assert Ukraine’s cultural & economic independence from Russia”.
2014 – Metabiota and Burisma Holdings begin cooperation on an unnamed “science project in Ukraine”.
2014 – Metabiota, Global Viral and Black & Veatch Special Projects begin full-fledged cooperation within the US DoD programmes.
2014-2016 – Implementation of Metabiota and US DoD contracts, including a $300,000 project in Ukraine.
2016 – US citizen Ulana Nadia Suprun, a descendant of Ukrainian Nazis, is appointed Acting Health Minister of Ukraine. The US DoD and Ukraine’s Health Ministry cooperation programme is greatly expanded.
2016 – an outbreak of swine flu among Ukrainian Defence Ministry personnel guarding a biolab in Kharkov, Ukraine; 20 dead. The incident is hushed up.
2016 – former US Assistant Secretary for Defence Andrew Weber is appointed head of Metabiota’s global partnerships department.
2016 – EcoHealth Alliance, a Global Viral founder Nathan Wolfe’s structure, is engaged in the study of bat-transmitted coronaviruses at the research centre in a Wuhan laboratory, China.
2016 – the DTRA and Ukraine’s Health Ministry extend the contract after getting approval from the Ukrainian Defence Ministry.
February 24, 2022 – launch of the Russian Army’s special operation or invasion (depending on your point of view) in Ukraine.
February 24-25, 2022 – rapid elimination of strains in biolabs in Ukraine.
March 8, 2022 – US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland openly acknowledges the existence of cooperation between the US and Ukraine in pathogens.
Wow. Where did you find that lot? Impressive. Thanks.
So I take it there appear to be dangerous bio-weapons labs in the Ukraine?
(Incidentally were they really targeted by the Russians? I seem to remember a graphic that appeared quite damning if accurate).
10 March 22. A great big fat nothingburger……..:
‘How should people assess [Under Secretary Nuland’s] statement? Why are we so concerned? I know maybe I’m asking you some questions that regard medicine and biology and research and so forth. But it’s really important for this effort to understand what exactly is in these labs that we’re so worried about [the Russians] getting their hands on.’ (Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio, Committee’s open hearing on Worldwide Threats.)
‘……medical facilities — that I’ve been in as a child, done research in high school and college — all have equipment or pathogens or other things that you have to have restrictions around because you want to make sure that they’re being treated and handled appropriately. And I think that’s the kind of thing that Victoria Nuland was describing and thinking about in the context of that.
We have to be concerned in the same way that we have to be concerned about the nuclear power plant or other facilities — that when they’re seized, and if they’re seized, that there may be damage done or theft. [That the Russians might in] fact, misuse some of the material that’s there, that’s not intended for weapons purposes, but nevertheless can be used in dangerous ways or that can create challenges for the local populations.’ (Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines)
It seems you have a very particular agenda.
This site is called “Daily Sceptic” – are you in the right place?
I’m the sceptic here. You’re in an echo chamber.
I’ve just looked at a map, and Ukraine doesn’t look very ‘west’.
Perhaps the map was upside down?
Maps are secondary to a narrative.
Bill Gates…
‘The West’ used to end at the East German border. It’s a cultural place, not just a geographical description.
For that matter, Australia is part of ‘the West’.
Define ‘The West’.
Ask Noah. He started it.
In other words, you don’t have a clue.
The thing is, Lukewarm, I don’t see it as my role in life to be your personal wikipedia.
I’m worth more than that.
As I said, in other words you don’t have a clue, and the similarity between you and Wikipedia stops at your far left politics.
How would you know? Far left to you is round about the area of Genghis Khan.
Those ‘clever’ tactics of yours attempting to deflect the conversation again.
Almost took me by surprise. Not…….
Yes, Bill Gates.
Take your medicine.
“Define ‘The West’.”
For a thousand years it was Christendom.
Then for a few centuries it was modernity.
Then for a few decades it was freedom.
Now it’s the Empire of Lies.
Western Christendom.
Well for most of that period, most of eastern Christendom could be viewed as part of “the West”, for most purposes (though these terms are obviously not tightly defined anyway).
The final split with the Eastern church was I think around the 11th century. There had been differences for some time before then though, with origins in the division of the Roman empire into Western (Roman) and Eastern (Byzantine) sections, I understand.
Anyhow, there is certainly a distinction today.
Yes, but nations did not immediately depart “the west” merely because of that split. That developed over centuries.
Nice.
I don’t think the Chinese communist party is entirely honest with its populace.
Czech’s not East, Bill Gates. And Lithuania isn’t West.
Damn, I saw some almost sane comments from you. It gave me hope, but I guess your medicine wore off.
Nurse!
Czechs don’t think they’re East…
Not really important as “the West” will not exist much longer the way it is being rapidly dissolved from within.
Ni – that’ s why is has been considered part of Russia since the late 18th century until the fall of the USSR.
There is no official US presence in Ukraine other than the usual embassy requirements, the Biden crime family, and bio labs which are scattered across the world because they are illegal in the US – because they undertake questionable practices like gain of function research.
Who could possibly be upset at having US bio labs on their doorstep, whilst the same country has been negotiating for years over NATO membership and was recently offered fast track membership of the EU, a necessary precursor to NATO membership?
Oh dear. More nonsense. There are EU members not in NATO, and vice versa.
Bill Gates?
He said “the USA is using Ukraine to fight a proxy war” which they are. The USA and UK are pretending they aren’t really in a war but are fighting one through stealth.
We’re not fighting a war, we are arms suppliers. Russia and China are supplying arms to the Myanmar government in its genocidal war against its own minorities. But no one says Russia and China are in a war.
“We’re not fighting a war, we are arms suppliers. ”
Not the view of at least one expert:
“Bruce Fein, a constitutional expert and former associate attorney general in the Ronald Reagan administration, told me this week that in his view, “the United States and several NATO members have become co-belligerents with Ukraine against Russia by systematic and massive assistance to its military forces to defeat Russia.”
According to Fein, the US and its NATO allies are now vulnerable to attack by “an enemy belligerent,” meaning Russia, because of their “systematic or substantial violations of a neutral’s duties of impartiality and non-participation in the conflict.””
US a ‘co-belligerent’ in Ukraine war, legal expert says
I don’t care what Bruce Fein thinks. No NATO troops are fighting in Ukraine.
Again, Russia supplies arms all round the world, and you’re not saying they’re at war.
That’s good, because he certainly doesn’t care what you claim to think.
Hmmmm…….some intertsing evidence to the contrary
might emerge from the Mariupol siege .
Remember all those US “Advisors” in the early stages of the Vietnam War?
There are certainly British volunteers, and two of them have been paraded on Russian tv (a disgusting practice dating back to Saddam). Although both of them were long term Ukrainian residents, as it happens.
Nevertheless we should expect that some foreign volunteers will get captured.
No he isn’t – fact!
The West is trying to destroy Russia’s economy and create permanent conflict in Ukraine ( see Syria, Iraq , Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, for examples) – fact.
Interesting to see how all your “facts” line-up perfectly with Government controlled media propaganda in all things.
One factor driving price increases the article doesn’t mention is central bank moneyprinting. Here the balance sheet of the ECB, but they are all similar:
https://twitter.com/Schuldensuehner/status/1517041407634063361?cxt=HHwWgoCyuezHzo0qAAAA
AKA QE?
It’s a right mess…
I’m sure they said back in 2009 that qe was temporary
. It has literally destroyed everything to prop up the rich.
Should have been…
That’s because that has nothing to do with it and is only believed to do so by those who are hard of accounting.
To those who understand how bank accounting works giving banks less interest for holding reserves against deposits than they get by holding government bonds against deposits leads to less money flowing in the system overall, because banks get less free money from government that way.
Ideally the base rate should be zero so that bankers get nothing. The rate of interest and the quantity of outstanding lending and associated private savings should be an entirely private sector matter between firms and banks.
That should be covered by inflation, which is largely a proxy for currently devaluation. But it lags months or years behind each act of fiat sabotage.
Probably. Weren’t people saying on here that there would be an (engineered?) food crisis? Here we go…
Bally lockdowns…
PS is that the Longdendale reservoir in a bad year?
Don’t forget to gather your acorns this year…
In 1973, OPEC imposed an oil embargo against countries that had backed Israel during the Yom Kippur War. This led to a quadrupling of the price of oil, with knock-on effects in other areas of the economy, including food production.
Coincidentally, the lowest ever football league attendance was in 1974. I suspect some people will be in for a nasty shock…
Remember when you see the appeals on TV for famine releif showing babies with distended bellies, adults who look like walking cadavers, with a voice over by a sanctimonious actor who probably supported the jab in every arm and the associated orthodoxy. These peoplewill be dying because of the WHO,The Davos supporters (I suggest you look on the website to see which companies are WEF supporters, and by implication supporters of mass starvation) and western governments who worked together to create this situation, such that they could establish total control over their citizens in order to bring in their new world order, and more money and power to their club
Yep.
Neil McCoy Ward is often worth a listen. Don’t be deceived by the apparent youth and easy demeanour, he’s an ex-soldier and isn’t afraid to say it how it is. He’s also been banned (then reinstated) by Youtube so that says something …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bj5qnj3MTM
But say what?
Add the risks of nuclear escalation, and the West’s current approach becomes increasingly hard to understand….
if you think that the elite establishment of the world are guided by sensible considerations, then I have a sustainable energy-saving anti-racist bridge to sell you….
At the ‘Theatre For The Gullible’ the need is for a new edgy production every week or the punters will lose interest
During their winter season the theatres new productions of ‘Oh god we are running out of petrol’ and ‘There will be a shortage of Cornflakes’ received rave revues
If the theatre closes people might get bored and ask themselves why we need politicians at all
For premiere viewings see radio 2 for details. After yesterdays sunflower oil scare the shelfs at the local supermarket were stripped bare
David Attenborough’s play ‘Climate Change’ has now been running longer than The Mousetrap
Apparently sunflower oil is now considered not so good for you after all – back to Lard then!
Transfats. Fine as long as you don’t heat the oil for, say, cooking.
The human race have been eating animal fats for tens of thousands of years. Vegetable oils became de rigueur about 50 years ago because the vegetable mob maintained it couldn’t possibly be bad for anyone.
So animal fats are now blamed for everything from cancer to obesity despite those conditions taking off over the last 50 years.
Coincidence of course.
I went back to lard / animal fats a couple of years ago and food cooked with them has a delicious unctuousness.
“The resulting uptick in global food prices has the potential to cause famines throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and other regions that are heavily dependent on wheat imports. ”
Ah, you mean in Niger and Chad, which have a decent birth rate? A result for Bill Gates!
The sooner we get rid of deserts, the better. Decent irrigation programmes and the wholly achievable reversal of desertification would have been a much better use of the hundreds of billions BJ spent trying to micro-manage a virus (or whatever he was playing at).
Whatever it was he was playing at …he was just playing!
The Russia/Ukraine war started just in time to prevent spring crop seeding. Deliberate? Very possibly. Famine is coming then, at least for the poor countries. We will just have to pay more for what there is. I see a number of food processing factories in America are mysteriously burning down at the moment as well. The WEF globalists seem to have the power to herd us wherever they want.
Bill Gates!
Bill Gates indeed. I understand he is now the largest agricultural land owner in America. He could clearly see problems in the food supply chain some time ago… the man is either clairvoyant or knows exactly what is coming down the line because he and his Davos criminals are actively engaged in engineering our WEF future of owning nothing and being strangely happy at the same time.
I can see my life and savings being taken away but when does the happiness kick In?
That’s the untruthful part of the equation. Remember these guys cannot make any statement that is totally honest. It is beyond them.
When the “drugs” are forced on you!
Wasn’t he buying up a lot of farm land?
He is the owner of more agricultural land in the USA than anyone else.
Billy does like a cheeseburger.
Yes but we ( or the survivors) are destined for his mealy worms!
Putin believed the Ukrainian government would collapse in weeks, like Afghanistan did.
He could not sustain the fiction of his military exercises for ever.
The exact timing of the invasion was for political reasons – ie after the Beijing games.
Yes, the timing aafter Peking was certainly suspicious. Especially after they’d agreed that no limits alliance business.
If you stop producing fossil fuels as the green nutters are doing in their “great reset”, then you stop producing fertilisers, pesticides, herbicide, the means to run agricultural machinery, the means to transport food. So, you will inevitably cut down food production and literally raise the cost of living … meaning the cost of living will be too high for many, so they die.
That is the reality of this evil “net-zero” … the great reset will reduce carbon, and the carbon they are reducing is millions of people like you.
The current Harry’s Farm is worth a watch for an update on the reality of the situation in the field.
DEFRA needs to spend more time on the FRA and less on the E. If you check the supply estimates you’ll find it is the opposite.
What is FRA?
You might well ask. I think it used to be the ministry for agriculture (and fisheries).
All these fake departments. When are we getting a ministry for men and inequalities then?
Food and Rural Affairs.
Thank you.
Yes the Elites have decided that Human Beings are the problem and that they as an Übermenschlichkeit Elite served by robots and serfs are somehow the solution!
This is a result of Emotionalism over Realism as a philosophical concept. There was a similar event in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The target then was lowering the age of consent – hence Jimmy Savile. History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme.
What followed that period was Punk. It’s time for a revival so that some hard bitten Realist truths can finally be revealed.
Apparently tomatoes are going to be very expensive, a market trader was quoted as saying a tray of tomatoes used to be £5 now they are £20. Think I’ll grow my own this year.
It’s become more difficult to buy tomato plants these last two years, I’ve noticed.
I saw them on sale in our local market last week and I’ve ordered a new tomato greenhouse.
Loads on sale in our local Tesco, along with sprouts, kale, broccoli.
Loads of wild garlic and dandelions available round our way, gratis. Food for free could become useful. The North Koreans know all about that…
I have been picking and eating Wild Garlic daily for almost two weeks now.
I’ve started my own crop in the greenhouse now.
And who owns the most farmland in the USA?
Bill Gates.
Coincidence?
No “Cunning Plan”
Weird logic. If Putin succeeds in using his control over food and hydrocarbon prices, in order to take over a neighbouring state, then what’s he going to do?
Rinse and repeat.
Heard of the draconian Western sanctions of Russia’s entire economy and financial system ?
Amazing how “facts” can be used so selectively.
“The resulting uptick in global food prices has the potential to cause famines throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and other regions that are heavily dependent on wheat imports. The UN’s World Food Programme has warned that 2022 will be a year of “catastrophic hunger”.
This will cause a massive influx of African and Middle-Eastern refugees into Europe which will put what we have seen previously into the shade. As well as, no doubt, huge demands that we send yet more aid to Africa, at a time when people in Europe are themselves struggling with higher energy bills, higher food prices and inflation on every other aspect of their lives.
It’s a perfect recipe for huge civil unrest.
And it was all cause by the globalist lunatics who:
Some people say that all of this was done deliberately to create the conditions in which the Great Reset can be implemented. I think it’s more likely the culmination of a lot of bad actors and megalomaniacs who think they can control the whole world coming together at the same time.
The good news is that the calamity which is about to ensue will signal the end of top-down globalist government for a long time to come. The bad news is a lot of people are going to starve or die in the process.
That’s about all. Peace out. Have a nice weekend.
You know, we really would have been better spending that 500 billion pound lockdown fee on improving irrigation and farming and reversing desertification in Africa.
No one in the West any longer cares about that!
This is an interesting doc on the UK’s food security position, which might be important come food inflation.
I particularly liked the bit where they highlight that the UK is actually self-sufficient in food from a purely calorific point of view. I guess we’ll be hungry, have less choice of food (seasonal), but at least we won’t be dead and some might even lose some weight.
“I particularly liked the bit where they highlight that the UK is actually self-sufficient in food from a purely calorific point of view.”
Couldn’t see that bit on a quick skim through. There is a lot of climate alarmist bs, though.
I wouldn’t be surprised, the amount of food waste and excess (are all those beers strictly necessary…).
Beer provides calories, vitamins and FUN. Enough said.
An interesting document typified by this stating of the obvious:
“Food production does not happen in isolation from society or the environment. Farming can damage soil, air, and water, drive species loss and contribute to climate change, all of which threaten the current and future productivity and sustainability of agriculture, and therefore food security itself. On the other hand, good farming practices can reduce or reverse these harms, encourage biodiversity, and capture carbon all while producing healthy food.”
What do we say to nonsense such as this?
The document is stuffed full of crap about climate change, all of it being dependent on guesswork, or ‘modelling’ to give it today’s terminology.
The document is misleadingly titled – it is not discussing food security it is simply telling where our food comes from. There is nothing about security of supply just confirmation of how little effort has gone in to ensuring security.
Fortunately, we are mostly self-sufficient in meat, eggs, dairy, most vegetables, particularly roots and brassica and seed oils. We are at 100% for grains – wheat, barley and oats. Any suggestions of bread shortages can be confidently denounced as Lies. Fruit languishes at 16% which is shocking given our climate. Fish is pretty sound but ridiculously we export what we catch and import what we eat.
Very long, repetitive, stuffed with global warming nonsense and paras like the one quoted above. The one issue that could cause a short term problem is fertilisers, but surprisingly much of this comes from the EU and there are no reasons why alternative domestic supplies cannot be sourced and brought in to production if required.
I was aware that if necessary, in times of adversity, or downright manipulation this country could feed itself on a calorie count basis so food shortages might be engineered but starvation of the population will be deliberate if it occurs.
How utterly shocking though that I am posting comments like these. In 2022. In England.
Funny how we never seem to hit on infrastructure solutions to Africa’s problems, preferring to force poorly tested, ineffective vaccines on them, and endless ‘aid’. No focus on nutrition or basic health. What NGO wants to provide a solution? Where’s the business sense in that! Who pushes these killer policies on starving, dirt poor Africans? WHO? There must be Gates leading to this?
Infrastructure has to be maintained. They lack the foresight for this. See Zimbabwe and South Africa for details.
‘…why did the West not seek a diplomatic solution as soon as the war in Ukraine began?’
Cripes!
Budapest Memorandum 1994
Minsk 1 05 Sept 2014
Minsk 2 12 Feb 2015
A diplomatic solution is no longer in the gift of ‘the West’ and, in any case, Russia now has zero credibility as a negotiating partner.
Ukraine is the only country ever to give up nuclear weapons, in return for guarantees, and it is clear how that worked out for them; an incitement now for every regional power to seek a nuclear capability…..and that is what we see happening.
Even if some kind of treaty could be imposed, the fighting will not stop. Real nationalism, red in tooth and claw, is in play. Kurds are still fighting for a homeland after many years of struggle. Ukraine will be no different.
There are no easy solutions.
This is a major disaster for Europe and the world which could very easily escalate.
Totalitarian plutocracies cannot coexist with adjacent capitalist democracies so, if Ukraine falls, the Baltic states are next on the list. Why else would NATO membership now be so popular in the hitherto staunchly neutral countries of Sweden and Finland.
Is that the scent of freshly brewed coffee on the breeze……..?
“Cripes!
Budapest Memorandum 1994
Minsk 1 05 Sept 2014
Minsk 2 12 Feb 2015”
The Budapest Memorandum is utterly irrelevant. Just a fig-leaf for the Ukrainians for the imposition of their adherence to the non-proliferation regime that they were always going to be coerced into compliance with anyway by the sole superpower at the time.
The Minsk Accords – two attempts to persuade the Ukrainian nationalists to behave in a civilised manner towards their Russian inhabitants, and allow them pretty much what the Scots and Welsh have in the UK – were basically left to wither on the vine by the utter failure of their western guarantors to force the Ukrainian regimes to adhere to them.
Not sure how you fantasise up the supposed distinction between the US sphere countries as “capitalist democracies”, as opposed to Russia being a “totalitarian plutocracy”. Russia is certainly no more “totalitarian” than we are -probably less so because it isn’t run by ideologically motivated woke globalist fanatics. As for plutocracy – that seems to apply perfectly to the US, where big money more or less openly manipulated their latest presidential election, as it does all our politics.
In truth, the distinction today is between countries run by the woke globalist ideologues, and those still run by old-style, broadly conservative and pragmatic, fundamentally patriotic governments that actually identify with their own demos, rather than with some universalist fantasy of “building the world back better”.
And on that divide, our own political and media elites are very much on the dark side.
‘Not sure how you fantasise up……..’
Curious use of English. Hmmm……..
Simple. There is no fantasy.
‘In truth, the distinction today is between countries run by the woke globalist ideologues….’
Read the papers in Britain on the morning of 06 May. Enjoy!
And there you have it.
Bon voyage!
Untrue. Minsk would have given the republics not just virtual self government, but also a veto over Ukrainian foreign policy.
I’m sure Sturgeon would bite your hand off for it.
In truth, the distinction today is between countries run by the woke globalist ideologues, and those still run by old-style, broadly conservative and pragmatic, fundamentally patriotic governments that actually identify with their own demos, rather than with some universalist fantasy of “building the world back better”.
And then there are the countries like Australia and New Zealand, which are run by the toadies of the “woke globalist ideologues”.
why did the West not seek a diplomatic solution as soon as the war in Ukraine began?
What do you mean by “the West”. Several Western leaders – most notably Macron and Orban – sought diplomatic solutions both before and after the war began with little success.
Macron was just posturing as usual – Orban was more serious – but with Hungary’s interests as a neighbour of Ukraine caught in the backwash as his main concern.
Zelensky was told not to compromise with Russia
It’s quite hard to escape the notion that it’s all deliberate.
Crash the economy, starve and terrify people, have them beg for your help, introduce a digital currency and permanent surveillance based on forced ‘vaccinations’ which you can ‘tweak’ as desired.
But I appreciate that that is just the ravings of a conspiracy theorist, and that world leaders are generally well-intentioned people who would never kill people by er starting wars, engineering famines and coups, and that therefore there must be sensible explanations.
Bravo.
The sneering use of the term “conspiracy theorist” suggests that nobody ever conspired to do anything (which is obviously ridiculous).
Mark Crispin Miller is very good on this, pointing out that the term is used to discredit people who are asking reasonable and necessary questions.
I think it’s been very effective. Far too many people cannot believe that those in positions of world leadership (in any form) would do something terrible to them, unless they’ve been told by the media to believe it. So anything bad is true of Putin; and nothing seriously bad can be true of anyone else. They are merely mistaken, at worst.
As for believing that any part of the media is involved in any sort of conspiracy – well that makes someone practically certifiable. We must all believe instead that they tell us the truth as best they can, except when they accidentally get something wrong.
I thought ‘Famine’ was the next stage of the West’s ongoing ‘Great Reset’ project? Why else has Gates bought up more prime farmland in the US than any other individual but does not appear to be using it to produce food?
Why is Johnson trying to bribe farmers to stop farming when we need all the food we can grow?
Why are they deliberately disrupting food supply chains?
Why sanction Russian exports and try to prolong the Ukraine war unless you wanted to create wheat shortages?
The Four Horsemen have been released by the Globalists – so you have to include Famine.
‘Famine’ now appears to be a “Policy Initiative” sponsored by the UN.
Talking of food…
“I, personally, have never bought any of my darling girls a Kinder egg with its trashy surprise. But Kinder have somehow managed to put more than a one yen piece of plastic in the egg.
Welcome to salmonella.
The unhappy surprise.”
“The little toys that they put in the eggs has driven a huge business.
I met a guy who used to design the plastic shite given away with McDonald’s kids ‘meals’.
He told me that billions of tiny toys were produced every week.
Huge shipping containers full of the them.
The stuff that Kinder call chocolate should be banned as it is so awful.
Parents buying this rubbish are guilty of child abuse.”
“Kinder first originated in Germany, therefore it has Nåzi links.
The Hun will do anything for revenge.”
“Didn’t realise the egg was supposed to be edible, thought it was just a receptacle for the shitty toy until it gets binned.”
If industrial farming, plant breeding, etc have been such a stunning success, it beats me why real food prices (at the wholesale level) are higher than they were in the early 1960s.
Could it be that all the gains have gone into the pockets of middlemen?
Inflation?
What’s so difficult in understanding that there is no Western approach to the war between Russia and Ukraine? The Russians attacked, the Ukrainians are defending themselves. These are the belligerents. And all others are – at best – audience. They may applaud this or that player. But they’re not actively involved and thus, not directly in conrol of anything.
These so-called sanctions against Russia are – of course – nothing but nonsensical activity signalling. They’ve been going on without effect on Russia since 2014. And – unless someone here suddenly comes to his senses and stops engaging in costly symbolic politics targetted at an electorate at home – they’ll probably still be ongoing in 2044. And they still won’t have a practical effect on Russian policy.
This would be a topic worthy of discussion. Professor Mearsheimer’s upteempth attempt at shoring up support for Russia by telling threatening stories about Russian nuclear weapons roughly based on They got scared by COVID stories. Obviously, they’ll believe anything and I can scare them with my stories as well! isn’t. The last time strategic air warfare was attempted on this planet, in Vietnam, it was conducted in the most insane overkill mode, dumping more bombs on Vietnam in a week than had been dumped on Germany during all of WWII. And the outcome was? The Vietnamese one the war.
Hence the overdue conclusion: It don’t work.
There are reports of active involvement by certain American and English units. This is from Georges Malbrunot, a senior international correspondent with Le Figaro:
French Journalist Releases STUNNING Report After Returning From Ukraine — Says ‘The AMERICANS Are In Charge Of The War.. NOT Ukraine’ – enVolve (en-volve.com)
There is also extensive evidence, from a wide variety of sources, of American involvement at the highest levels of decision-making in the Ukraine.
That is more than being part of an audience, even an eager audience.
I think people in this country need to stop being so childish about cannibalism. There is virtual media silence about the subject.
If you have a plump dog or an over indulged pet cat then I beg you, please keep them safely locked up. Once the hunger sets in after a few missed meals then everything starts looking appetizing. This isn’t years away this is months away.
Hope you are prepped.
Not really because the truth is that that there is no real preparation. The real concern in our lives will be the sense of having no culture and nothing to fall back on. That you might have a bit of meat in your freezer or whatever will count for nothing if the love of life is gone.
…
…….
“there is no real preparation”
There’s having a full freezer rather than a half empty one..
‘Well, the first major culprit is the pandemic…’
No!
Pandemics do not govern.
it is entirely down to the bandits in Western Governments and their ruinous policies which have trashed the global economy.
It is the same for all of us. I don’t want to have to look after an old bag or scrote but I will do it I don’t care. If you are the sort of person who is trying to protect a cushy life then you are well and truly fucked. This is where we are make of it what you will.
Several people on sceptics , I’m thinking of two trolls in particular, tree & fingal are so captivated by the MSM’s depiction of Zelensky as Robin Hood and Putin as the sheriff of Nottingham, that they turn a blind eye to the mass starvation and risk of nuclear war, They are a real menace for siding with America’s foreign legion, the NATO.
The problem with the last paragraph is that Putin doesn’t do diplomatic solutions. He only does violence. So that would never have worked. The West should have poured overwhelming NATO force into Ukraine before the invasion happened. Putin would never have dared.invade, not a single person would be dead, not a single building destroyed. The towns and cities of Ukraine would be intact. All those poor people would still be alive, going about their normal peaceful lives.
“Add the risks of nuclear escalation, and the West’s current approach becomes increasingly hard to understand.”
Why can none of my family and friends see this?
No mention of the burning down of food processing plants in the US
Many on here appear to believe that some kind of anti Russian ‘narrative’ has been created by a whole range of nefarious agencies…
No need.
The Russian state has created the narrative, plain for all to see.
Putin told the world what he was doing: the ‘de-Europeanisation’ of a state whose sovereignty he does not accept; this despite Russia’s signature of the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing Ukraine’s territorial integrity in return for the surrender of their nuclear capability in 1994.
‘Unlike, say, Georgia and the Baltic countries, Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state, and attempts to “build” one naturally lead to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction that does not have its own civilizational content, a subordinate element of an alien and alien civilization. Debanderization by itself will not be enough for denazification – the Bandera element is only a performer and a disguise for the European project of Nazi Ukraine, therefore the denazification of Ukraine is also its inevitable de-Europeanization.’
Putin’s war aims are clear:
‘The “Catholic province” (Western Ukraine as part of five regions) is unlikely to become part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of alienation, however, will be found empirically. It will remain hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarized Ukraine with formally banned Nazism. The haters of Russia will go there. The threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation in case of non-compliance with the listed requirements will be the the guarantee of the preservation of this residual Ukraine in a neutral state. Perhaps this will require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory.’
Russian state owned RIA Novosti 040422
How many other sovereign nations does Putin not recognise, intend to de-Europeanise?
Oh…..and NATO expansionism? Not a mention, not a tweet, not, in fact, a dickie bird…..