He Is Risen
When I first heard the news that Trump had caught Covid, I was worried. What if he died? Not only would we have to endure the triumphalist crowing of the lockdown zealots, but his death would become the central plank in the case for maintaining all the current restrictions or making them even more severe. Donald Trump didn’t take the virus seriously and look what happened to him! We’d all be wearing masks in public for the next 10 years.
As if to confirm these fears, the zealots already started making this argument in anticipation of Trump’s demise. Heather Mac Donald makes this point in City Journal.
The media and Democratic establishments are in a frenzy of Schadenfreude over President Trump’s Covid diagnosis. Trump’s contracting the disease, they argue, discredits any coronavirus policy short of lockdowns and mandatory mask-wearing, outdoors as well as in. Trump is now “exhibit No. 1 for the failure of his leadership on coronavirus,” Democratic pollster Geoff Garin told the New York Times. …
New York Times columnist Frank Bruni claims that Trump’s infection proves that the country has been lax in its coronavirus response. “It is time, at long last, to learn. To be smarter. To be safer. To be more responsible, to others as well as to ourselves,” he wrote on Saturday. “We cannot erase the mistakes made in America’s response to the coronavirus, but we can vow not to continue making them.”
But I didn’t think through the alternative scenario that actually helps the sceptics’ cause – he makes a complete recovery within a few days and comes out swinging. Well, that’s exactly what’s happened! Trump left Walter Reed Medical Centre yesterday evening and told his followers on Twitter: “Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!”
This tweet was immediately condemned by mainstream media commentators as “dangerous”, “gross”, and “almost impossible to believe”, fearing that if Trump brushes off the virus in such a cavalier fashion it will mean the American people won’t take it seriously. But that’s his intention, obviously. Trump is effectively telling the American people that catching COVID-19 is not a death sentence. We’ve learnt so much about how to treat it, that even an overweight, 74 year-old male can recover within a week. He has now become exhibit No. 1 in the case against needless restrictions on our liberty.
Trump’s reaction to his bout of coronavirus is in stark contrast to Boris Johnson’s, who went from being the biggest beast in the Westminster jungle to a kind of Mowgli figure, leaping in fright at the sight of his own shadow. This, too, has confounded the lockdown zealots, as Heather Mac Donald says in her article.
Lockdown proponents are hoping that Trump will follow the course of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who reversed his position on keeping the economy open after his own hospitalization for coronavirus. Trump should foreswear such a self-involved about-face.
Instead, Trump should tell the American public something that it has needed to hear from a political leader for months: we must go on with our lives. There will be more coronavirus cases; there will be, tragically, more deaths. But we cannot shut down our human interactions in order to prevent one kind of death. We have never done so before, and the consequences of having done so this year will cripple human life for generations to come if we do not overcome fear now.
I’ve had my reservations about Trump in the past, but he’s remained largely faithful to his sceptical instincts about Covid and his reaction to contracting the disease is exactly how Boris should have responded.
Chapeau, Mr President.
Tory MPs May be About to Call Time on the 10pm Curfew
According to the Telegraph, there’s a possibility that a sufficient number of Conservative MPs, as well as the Parliamentary Labour Party, will vote against the renewal of the 10pm curfew on Wednesday night when it’s expected to be put before Parliament.
Ministers have to ask MPs to approve coronavirus lockdown measures in simple unamendable “yes/no” votes in the Commons within weeks of them coming into force.
Two votes on lockdown restrictions in England are expected in the next 48 hours – one on Tuesday night on the “rule of six”, which limits gatherings to six people and came into force on September 14th, and a second on Wednesday on the 10pm curfew, which has applied nationally since September 24th.
While only a handful of Tory MPs are likely to rebel on the “rule of six”, dozens more are expected to try to vote down the curfew.
Rebel Conservatives – emboldened after last week forcing the Government to give MPs a veto on all future national lockdowns before they come into force – said on Monday that they could muster the necessary 43 Tory MPs to vote with Labour to overturn the Government’s 85 working majority.
One Tory MP said: “My sense is that a material number of MPs might vote against the 10pm.” Another said: “If it transpires that Labour is going to oppose it, then I would think there would be enough of us who would be inclined to vote against it.”
Steve Baker, the former Brexit minister who last week acted as an unofficial whip for Tory rebels, said: “Very few members of Parliament have constituencies which will bear voting against every infringement of liberty.
“However, there is a growing consensus that neither the 10pm curfew, nor including children in the ‘rule of six’, are well evidenced. I expect quite a few members of Parliament to take issue on those two points.”
Sir Desmond Swayne, a senior Tory MP, said: “The 10pm [curfew] is a huge mistake. The virus can’t tell the time. It is just absurd to impose this across the country.”
Sir Graham Brady, who is expected to rebel, told the BBC that patience with the Government’s local lockdown restrictions is starting to “wear thin”.
On Monday, Mr Sunak said of the 10pm curfew: “Everyone is very frustrated and exhausted and tired about all of this.”
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Harry Lambert has written a long read for the New Statesman speculating about Boris’s future. Entitled “The End of the Affair”, it’s based on searching conversations with 15 Conservative MPs, most of whom are pretty damning. “It is hard to find a Conservative MP who is impressed by the present government,“ he writes. The most telling quote comes from Steve Baker: “If a smash comes, it will come very hard and fast. And the more isolated he is, the more at risk he will be.”
Are the Rising Cases Just An Artefact of Increased Testing?
If like me you’ve argued that the recent increase in daily cases is because we’re testing more people each day, you’ll be used to the standard rejoinder: it isn’t just case numbers that are increasing, it’s the percentage of people testing positive. But is that percentage really going up? Dr Clare Craig, a Consultant Pathologist, has spotted an interesting anomaly in the Government’s treatment of people who’ve been tested repeatedly when it comes to recording their test results in the data and written about this for Lockdown Sceptics. Here’s an extract:
There are two ways to indicate the percentage of positive tests in a coherent and consistent manner. Either a figure could be published giving the number of positive tests and the total number of tests done – but these figures have not been published since August 20th. Alternatively, the percentage could be given by the number of newly diagnosed patients and the total number of patients tested. The difference between the two is that many people are repeatedly tested.
Instead, the Government press briefing on September 30th, published alongside the data, indicates that the official published figures need to be treated with some caution: “The number of people tested in a given week will exclude some people who have been tested in a previous week, so may not be an accurate denominator to use. For example, someone testing negative for the first time in week 1 will be counted in the ‘people tested’ figure for that week. If that same person tests negative again in week 4, they will not be counted in the ‘people tested’ figure for week 4.”
What this means is that for all the people tested more than once, a positive test result will count towards the numerator, but a negative test result will not count towards the denominator. Someone who tested negative in May could be contact traced again now and if they test negative their result would not be included in the official figures but if they test positive it would be. The relevant percentage of positive tests would therefore be falsely elevated.
Brilliant spot by Clare – Carl Heneghan-esque. Worth reading in full. Let’s hope some bigwig at PHE reads Clare’s article and fixes the problem.
Are the Student Drug Deaths Due to the Covid Restrictions?
A reader in Newcastle has made an insightful observation about the deaths of four young people in the North East, including a Newcastle University student.
It – the Corona response, not the disease – is getting rather close to home.
You’ll be aware of the 700 plus students tested positive by RT-PCR and now – tragically – there have been drugs deaths involving students.
The BBC quotes a criminology professor who observers a problem with nightclubs being closed is they offer a somewhat safer environment for partying. Formally organised freshers’ week events also offered a much safer environment for students away from home for the first time, as did the old halls of residence bars – if there are still any left.
Students do fall victim to drugs from time to time, unfortunately, but it’s hard not to see these ones as avoidable deaths of promising young people with their whole lifetimes in front of them, who might still be with us if it wasn’t for the scientifically misguided and futile efforts not to ‘kill granny’ and, in my opinion, the cynical way in which university Vice-Chancellors have behaved towards these young people.
I just checked the NHS dashboard and deaths from COVID yesterday in the entire North East of England were zero. I guess it may go up, but the daily rates are in single figures. COVID-19 – the disease – is not the problem.
The Great Barrington Declaration
Three sceptical public health experts – Professor Martin Kulldorff (Harvard), Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxford) and Professor Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford) – have come together in Great Barrington, Massachusetts to launch the Great Barrington Declaration, a petition calling on governments around the world to adapt a more proportionate approach to managing the pandemic that they call “Focused Protection”. They are the three main signatories, but the co-signatories include Dr Michael Levitt, Dr Gabriela Gomes and Professor Karol Sikora among others, as well as several scientific contributors to Lockdown Sceptics.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.
As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection. …
Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
This is welcome attempt by a group of sensible scientists to try and inject some common sense into the debate about how best to mitigate the impact of the virus. You don’t have to be a public health expert to sign it, either. Members of the public are welcome to do so and I’ve already signed. Over 14,000 so far and I’ve a feeling it’s going to climb very high, very quickly.
Bursting the Bubble
A reader has come up with an excellent argument against the separating of children in bubbles at school.
To make our schools so-called “Covid Safe” many or all of them have developed “bubbles”, where each classroom or year group is kept separate from the others. Separate play areas, separate canteen times and even separate arrival and collection times.
The theory seems sound, even logical – until you realise it isn’t!
I have two grandchildren in one school in Wales and three others in another school in England. The schools both operate on a broadly similar methodology to keep everyone “safe”.
The problem with this theory is that there are many, many siblings (and close out-of-school friends) in each bubble. Inevitably, a family with two kids, three or more will have a child in a different year or classroom bubble. One of my two grandkids caught the snivels and then a day after that his older brother had it. Probably caught in one bubble and then it gets passed to another bubble.
So I reckon this simple fact of life makes the whole “keep ’em separate” effort a waste of everybody’s time.
Poetry Corner
A reader called Veronica Richards has sent me rather a lovely poem about why friendships whither – poignant, given the pressure the lockdown has placed on friendship groups.
RIFTS
And when, my dear, on my death-bed I lie, reflecting back on the ploys of my mind,
the greatest mistake I will see I made
was to allow Opinion which appeared adamantly pressing
to tear our friendship apart,
‘apparently’.Yet as I lay prone with a cool to my breath,
there will return the Knowing:
that the you that you are, lies also in me,
in all aspects, and primarily Essence.
That what I perceived to be
your manipulation, ignorance, your cowardice,
and you perceived to be my stubbornness, scornfulness, anger
were mere postures we chose to adopt awhile,
occasionally inter-changebly.
Stances which could be,
can be,
dropped at any moment,
so that all that remains is this Innocence recognized by the heart, not the mind
…this Light …of our timeless Existence,
great Healer of rifts.
Prior to thought and to word but not excluding of them.And the good news, my sweet, is it is never too late for miracles to occur
so long as we are willing to stop
bestowing mind-made fake-power in crazy directions.At least: right now.
And now, and Now again.
Shall we do it?ALL of us TOGETHER!
Or at least you and me
for seventeen seconds at least?
Shall we? – while smiling and counting to test our resolve.I’ll start if you like. Or you can.
Round-Up
- “And a plague shall cover the land of Trump” – Excellent piece on the crowing among lockdown zealots about Trump catching the virus by Brendan O’Neill
- “Missing 16,000 coronavirus tests glitch ’caused by large Excel spreadsheet file’” – Turns out Serco, which is keeping a record of who’s infected for PHE, uses Microsoft Excel to store the data and the reason for the missing ~16,000 cases is because the spreadsheet reached full capacity, making it impossible to store any additional names. That’s not a glitch; that’s rank incompetence
- “Why won’t the UK vaccinate the whole population?” – Peston in the Spectator calls for the entire UK population to be given the Covid vaccine when it’s available. Yikes!
- “Despite trying to appear united, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak are increasingly at odds over Covid” – The rift is deepening, according to the Telegraph
- “All the clubs and pubs in Carmarthenshire that have been handed closure notices” – Local authority enforcement officers in Wales are serving 14-day closure notices on premises deemed not to be ‘covid secure’
- “Dalton Parents Revolt Over Prep School’s $54,180 Online Classes” – If you thought English private schools were expensive…
- “Paris put on ‘maximum alert’ as more COVID-19 restrictions are imposed” – Bedwetters triumph across the Channel
- “The NHS Continuing Healthcare (CHC) Scandal” – Retired Rear Admiral Philip Mathias, a former Director of Nuclear Policy at the Ministry of Defence, has Hancock in his sights and is seeking judicial review of the NHS’s Continuing Healthcare Scandal
- “Tories won’t forgive No 10’s incompetence” – Another damning piece about Boris and his top team, this time by Rachel Sylvester in the Times
- “This test and trace shambles is far more than a ‘technical glitch’” – Lea McKinstry in the Telegraph says Britain now has is the worst of all worlds: authoritarianism mixed with amateurism
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Update: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
Yesterday, I linked to the trailer for the South Park Pandemic Special – which is packed with anti-lockdown jokes. Today, I’m linking to the whole thing. Guaranteed to raise a laugh from even the most depressed sceptic. Enjoy.
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Yes. I think China’s CCP might just have problems fulfilling their 2049 goals…
Whilst I don’t think they will necessarily lose a grip on power any time soon (and whilst acknowledging the serious shortcomings of many “Western” governments), it looks increasingly likely that their lies and tyranny and “literally stupid” communist ideology will do for them sooner or later. There’s their idiotic and evil one child policy of course (now two child – for all the difference it’s made, and with Taiwan having a similarly low birth rate without the tyranny) which sees them importing wives from other countries and will have caused horrendous psychological damage, but there are plenty of other aspects to their evil and extreme tyranny which will make it difficult for them to have long term success.
Are they bigger liars than the rulers of Britain, France, one-family-owned Sweden, or the “pragmatic” narcocriminal state of the Netherlands?
I am not convinced by your train of thought. If the one-child policy has the same effect as not having a one-child policy, it’s not a problem.
It all turns on whether or not the rulers of mainland China are stupid. What’s the basis for thinking they are? Does anyone in the business world think so? One could focus on say the “Garterist” symbology in Britain and call it “stupid”…
“If the one-child policy has the same effect as not having a one-child policy, it’s not a problem.”
That’s a very collectivist approach to the issue. Yes, it amounts to the same thing for the state, but it’s very different for the people when it has been imposed by coercion, and it’s definitely a problem.
They’re not particularly stupid (even George W “don’t misunderestimate me” Bush wasn’t stupid as such).
Their problem is that they have participated in a large-scale demographic experiment, in common with many other countries of course, though theirs has been a particularly extreme form. I think they have realised this to a degree, hence their “relaxation” to a two child policy. For various reasons China’s CCP are not going to go back to their early policy of encouraging “hero” mothers to have large families to provide workers for the People’s Republic, and it likely wouldn’t work if they did. We don’t know exactly how this global population experiment will end up long term (we are only part way through it) but we do know that the global economy appears to be on the brink of collapse, hence what has been described as its controlled demolition. We further know that the CCP’s legitimacy depends on being able to provide a certain standard of living for its people. If this demographic experiment ends up how I suspect it will, they will have problems. If they go on importing wives from places like the Philippines, it will introduce ideas which could see long term change to their culture. If they don’t, they will have a substantial dissatisfied male population, and all that implies (I think the gender imbalance will be here for some time to come). They may be able to avoid some of the expected consequences of their past mistakes through their neo-imperial designs, or by distracting their population with foreign adventurism. However it is not clear whether this will be enough to save them. I don’t particularly expect them to see a serious challenge imminently (but then again, who foresaw the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1988), but I do suspect that meeting their 2049 objectives will be difficult and maybe impossible.
Incidentally, I am quite happy to acknowledge the shortcomings of some Western countries as I suggested, and they may face their own day of reckoning.
Gosh, Empire of Lies propagandist tells lies, shock!
Of course Russia can win – it’s weathered the “shock and awe” sanctions that the US sphere globalist elites were certain would “collapse” the ruble and the Russian economy and bring about regime change, and it’s close to having achieved its main objective, namely securing the freedom of the Donbass republics.
The Russians haven’t even needed to mobilise for war or over-commit their standing military to achieve this.
There’s no plausible way the Ukraine can stage any sustained strategic counter offensive without meaningful amounts of fuel, so that’s the end of that fantasy.
All that’s left to determine is how long the US neocons can drag out the Ukrainian people’s suffering, with the ultimate settlement terms getting worse for the Ukrainians as time goes on.
“there can be no lasting peace with Putin, argues Jonathan Shaw“
Funny how “there can be no lasting peace” with Putin, but Bush and Blair who waged a far worse war of aggression, and Cameron who was responsible for the appalling ongoing bloodbath in Libya, are still members of the US sphere elites in good standing.
I suspect that he is assuming a total takeover of the Ukraine as a war aim (and to be fair, it did look like that when they encircled Kiev, even if it was more a case of “counting their rifles”).
“I suspect that he is assuming a total takeover of the Ukraine as a war aim“
Probably, but that’s an obvious outright lie.
The Russians doubtless were ready to take advantage if the Ukrainians folded without a fight, but the forces deployed weren’t within an order of magnitude of being enough to occupy Kiev against resistance.
Occupying the whole of the Ukraine has never been a stated, nor a remotely plausible objective for Russia, and it’s literally stupid to try to pretend or even imply that a war can’t be won by means short of complete occupation. Just more propaganda from the Empire of Lies’ propaganda arm.
Even taking Kiev wouldn’t suggest a total takeover of the Ukraine as a war aim.
The aim is to kick Kiev forces out of the Donbas and keep whatever government there is in Kiev out of NATO, or in other words, to keep US bases out of the Ukraine and the US airforce out of Ukrainian skies. Those aims are likely to be achieved within a few months.
The status of other territory such as Kherson and Odessa going down from the Donbas to Moldova is probably more of a bargaining counter than anything. That’s where the most uncertainty is.
The Russians have recently conceded that it’s going to be very difficult to hand back any territory to the Ukrainian regime, given its clear track record in the Kiev and Kharkov areas of brutally persecuting anyone suspected of having been other than actively hostile to the Russians.
My feeling is that they are now committed to holding onto Kherson as well, long term, which they might not have been previously (though they undoubtedly would have required guarantees for eg water to Crimea).
If the war goes on much longer the same will apply to Odessa, probably, if they once have to take it.
The other issue is that they clearly cannot trust this Ukrainian regime to uphold any agreement that is not directly policed by Russia, given the Kiev regime’s record of ignoring past agreements, and for the same reason they cannot trust either the US or EU countries as guarantors.
So any deal is going to be tricky.
I suspect they hoped a defeat would trigger regime change in the Ukraine, bringing someone more trustworthy to power.
The move towards Kiev had nowhere near enough troops committed to it to be anything more than a serious gesture which required the Ukrainian government’s attention, while the battleground was prepared elsewhere.
On February 21 Putin said, “We are ready to show what real decommunizations would mean for Ukraine”, after pointing out that the nation of Ukraine was largely a Soviet creation.
The Russian-speaking Donbass was given to it in 1922; more land was donated by Stalin, at the expense of Poland, Rumania and Hungary; Khrushchev (in Putin’s words) “took Crimea away from Russia for some reason and also gave it to Ukraine”.
I take his remarks as an indication to the Ukraine government that Russia, which had already regained the Crimea, was ready and able to take back the Donbass.
Reference to the complicated land-swap in Ukraine’s far west would seem to have been included to point out that a Ukraine which included Nazis in its military organisation had been rewarded for the defeat of Nazism.
Even those remarks were not the declaration of a “war aim”, but a realistic warning to a belligerent neighbour of the possibilities they faced.
The Ukrainian government is taking the p*ss like nobody’s business when it goes on about how the Crimea is rightfully Ukrainian.
Even regarding Odessa – how strange that they appointed a former president of GEORGIA to be the governor of that city (Mikheil Saakashvili), if they think it’s sooo Ukrainian.
And we know excactly where his bread and butter come from!
For some background on “Russian speaking”: the language used in the popular Kolomoisky-owned Ukrainian TV series “Servant of the People” that was used as a vehicle to put its principal actor Zelensky into the president’s office was…Russian.
Now that’s the definition of ironic!
The languages are mixed in Ukraine – like the people – everyone knows that …or perhaps not Liz Truss – who thinks Rostov on Don… is in Ukraine.
I don’t think that was ever the aim. Kiev, I suspect, was to try to put pressure on for an early negotiated end on Russia’s terms. Once they realised that wasn’t going to happen they switched back to the real war aims; which – if they were to control eastern Ukraine – seem to be going pretty well.
I think Putin underestimated the extent of Ukranian propaganda/brainwashing, it looked like he expected a warm welcome from a majority, although just as likely it could have been a military feint, maybe a bit of both.
I think underestimating the level of submission to authority is something we’re all a bit guilty of re covid/lockdowns etc. demonstrating propaganda is very effective.
Stanley Milgrams famous experiments showed around 80% of people will submit to authority even when it’s clear the orders are abhorrent.
Though I’m not sure we can take comfort from the fact, it looks like around 30% of people refused the death jabs, maybe the number of people who have the resources needed to resist authority is increasing. If this is the case, we may well see a tipping point.
Though on the original point re Ukraine I’m still of the mind to think Putin is controlled oppersition since Russia is all in with the globalists re Agenda 2030 and CBDC.
Putin is a nationalist. As far as I can gather he want’s nothing to do with globalism.
Have a read of the joint statement he did with Xi in Feb, full of sustainable development BS, aligning with the UN 2030 BS too, Russia is also well on the road to CBDC, as is China. Not to mention the timing of Ukraine just when the covid BS was becomming transparrent to a lot of people.
http://en.kremlin.ru/supplement/5770
It’s team red NWO Vs Team Blue NWO, all pissing in the same pot
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
Blimey, when you read it, it actually makes no sense at all, and it’s littered with contradictions, massive ones, and doublespeak.
Followed rapidly by:
Ahem – In other words, we aint gonna to be preached to by the WEF, WHO or the UN.
First, what is the current “global governance architecture”? There isn’t one I’m aware of, and do you imagine Putin or Xi turning over their governance architecture to the UN?
Come on. That’s just not going to happen.
Secondly, it’s notable that the term “world order” is used and not “new world order”.
Huh?
I get what you’re saying but to coin Eric Morecambe – “I’m [they’re] playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order.”
I think you have to view this as an exercise in using all the right buzzwords, but saying absolutely nothing.
You have to imagine Xi and Putin sitting down composing this and having a giggle whilst they include ‘their history of democracy’. Like two schoolboys winding up their teacher.
They know full well neither country has a history of democracy (other than Russia’s in the last 30 years). Both have a rich history of Feudalism, Tribalism and every other ‘ism’ you can imagine. China only abandoned its last Emperor in 1912.
Tons more in there but I think you get the idea.
Yeah but it’s things like this:
and this:
which make it all look like red team Great Reset Vs blue team Great Reset aka two sides of the same NWO but with different flags/uniforms
Coupled with the fact they’re all in on CBDC, and the timing of Ukraine, then look at everything economic the west did re Ukraine, and everything Russia did to counter it, all conincidentally moving towards the same goals as the Great Reset agenda, you can see why I lean towards controlled op.
I knew I’d read about the globalist plan to pivot towards china but I can’t seem to find where it was atm, this Soros quote will have to do…
from here:
https://newspunch.com/george-soros-china-new-world-order/
couple of choice quotes from a 1961 Rockefeller book on that page too
Putin has undoubtedly caused a huge problem for the Great Reset. Digital currency, brain chips, all that nightmare stuff, runs into huge problems without energy or silicon chips. We know about the energy problem but there’s a “little” problem with noble gases like neon, and Russia has just banned the export of them (according to RT).
The article below lays out the difficulties of getting gases like neon. Not impossible but manufacture is concentrated in Ukraine, around former Soviet steel plants. There have been supply issues since the 2014 coup, but nothing has been done to resolve the problem of supply in eight years. If western leaders and the Davos clowns are serious about the Great Reset, you’d think they would have done something about this by now.
I wonder if Klaus will wake up one morning and exclaim, in his German accent, “Vot? No chips?”
https://www.vox.com/recode/22983468/neon-shortage-chips-semiconductors-russia-ukraine
Andrei Martyanov has suggested that the defining characteristic of this global elite is that it is really, really stupid.
They create “disturbance” and do not receive the feedback that should inform behaviour (17.25), largely because nobody dares pass on anything to them which they might find disagreeable.
Elites – YouTube
But Russia & China is all in on this too.
It’s like red team Great Reset Vs Blue team Great Reset.
The globalists make it look like there’s going to be supply issues re Neon etc. but if we look at past wars they still manage to get around export bans/sanctions etc. see Antony C. Suttons books, e.g. the US was exporting nuclear tech to Russia during the cold war, Nazi Germany was recieving chemicals to make avgas etc. all under the nose of the state dept. Same thing happened during Vietnam, the vietcong were runing Gaz trucks made with ball bearings exported from the US etc.
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
What I found disturbing, although not entirely surprising, was the fact that a man who had been in a position of considerable responsibility in the UK military and had been asked to write an article for a national newspaper had not taken care to attempt to be factually correct.
For example, General Shaw claimed the Russian speakers in the Donbass had been settled there by Stalin after WW2 to make up for losses of Ukrainian speakers in the famines during collectivisation and the war. The Donbass had been a major industrial area before the First World War, with many Russians moving in to work in the mines and iron and steel mills. The whole of the south of the Ukraine had been inhabited primarily by nomadic Nogai people and so almost empty when Russia took over in the late 18th century. At that point, the area was settled by what would now be termed both Ukrainians and Russians.
Pretending the people of the Donbass, or those who have been queuing for hours to apply for Russian passports in Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts the last couple of days have no roots in the areas they live is false and it is worrying that our military decision makers are pushing these falsehoods. I only hope, for the sake of the lives of the men under their command, that they don’t actually believe their own BS.
Believing our own BS seems to be a core characteristic of modern US sphere states. Certainly it’s central to all the woke, climate change, BLM, Ukraine nonsense.
One would hope that men responsible for military and related matters would have a degree of protection from this kind of delusion, having to confront hard realities, but consider:
Russian Army Ad Makes Woke US Army Ad Look Like a Joke …
and
MI6 boss criticised for tweet about LGBT rights
The poison goes deep.
Nothing but falsehood since Johnson took power!
US Republicans torn and frayed over Ukraine
Pretty straightforward, for me. The neocon, interventionist wing represents the Washington borg – globalist big government. They are wrong, and they represent the manifestation of the world’s big problem within the US Republican Party.
Their globalist warmongering equivalents within the Democrats are the liberal interventionists, who have been completely dominant in that party for decades.
Together, the liberal interventionists and the neoconservative interventionists make up the political aspect of the bipartisan US War Party, the political arm of the military industrial complex and the foreign identity lobbies. The issue of the next few years is whether the Republicans can be detached from that War Party and become a genuine opposition.
Americans can have Empire or they can have a Republic. They can’t and won’t have both.
Historically they’ve been pretty poor empire builders haven’t they?
DO you think that the “United States” have proved that the republican model of government can be a success? It seems today like almost any system of government can go badly wrong (even our own constitutional monarchy, which has seen less problems than many other European countries in recent centuries).
“Historically they’ve been pretty poor empire builders haven’t they?”
They never built an empire, they foreclosed and repossessed the British Empire after its foolish elites self-destructed it in two stupid interventionist world wars.
“DO you think that the “United States” have proved that the republican model of government can be a success? “
Probably depends who you mean a success for.
I understand that the Philippines (and possibly Puerto Rico) have been suggested as examples of their poor “empire building”.
If I have relative stability and no excessive hardship (I heard they ate dung and some sorts of grass in North Korea during the famine), that is enough of a success for me – at least when you considered what has happened in most countries. It has been suggested as an irony that the republican “US” is actually rather less equal than the United Kingdom.
You set a rather low bar for success. Especially for a country like the US, which was established with the unique, immense advantage of taking (by force) a virtually unexploited continent from primitive peoples and exploiting it from scratch with modern technology, and then watching from a position of continental security while all its initially more wealthy and powerful but far less fortunate rivals imploded in disastrous wars.
I think you’d expect something better from a government in such circumstances than not requiring its people to eat grass and dung.
Ah yes, the “United States of America”, which the natives of course had other names for.
Certainly they had a lot of advantages with all that land they grabbed. Then again, they have still done better than plenty of other countries in America (Venezuela springs to mind, and presumably a republic).
The issue of the next few years is whether the Republicans can be detached from that War Party and become a genuine opposition.
I think there are already some encouraging signs and will be more, as the consequences of the latest War Party misadventure affect enormous numbers of American voters.
From what I have been hearing, blaming it all on Putin isn’t really working. Biden simply isn’t popular enough for people to want to believe him.
Americans have a tradition of wariness with regard to “foreign entanglements”, as you know; and the latest is a doozy.
Skilful or merely ambitious politicians can make much of that.
I hope you are right, but I have no illusions about the sheer power of the militarists and their allies to manipulate opinion and shape events to suit their needs.
“Americans have a tradition of wariness with regard to “foreign entanglements”, as you know;”
Until they’ve been fully roped into them. then they are enthusiastic participants, until it starts to look as though they are likely to lose.
” and the latest is a doozy.”
You say that, and you’re not wrong, but there are signs we are moving towards two more wars that could make the Russian intervention in the Ukrainian civil war look like a minor sideshow – a general conflagration in the ME based around Israel/US versus Iran, with Syria and the Gulf despots thrown in, and a war between China and the US and its satellite states over Taiwan.
These are all, in their own ways, consequences of the threat to US hegemony and the foolishly aggressive response of the US’s ruling elites to that situation.
Eisenhower wasn’t wrong about the military-industrial complex!
American suspicion of “foreign entanglements” was still real enough in the thirties, but ever since Pearl Harbor they have re-invented themselves as mighty warriors for freedom and “the arsensal of democracy”.
There are Republicans reviving the old tune, however (in a suitably patriotic manner, of course).
My hope – and it is just hope – is that the position of the wary (and there must have been some from the start of this exercise) has been strengthened.
America is pregnant with promise and anticipation but is condemned by the hand of the inevitable.
With apologies to the Nice.
Again, ask your parents or even grandparents.
Good post!
Empire of lies
A useful reminder that this isn’t the first time recently that the US regime has armed murderous zealots in order to achieve aggressive objectives:
Ambassador Ford Lied About Giving TOW Missiles to Al-Qaeda in Syria
“Ford’s comments here are a clearly false. There is considerable evidence that Nusra was able to obtain large numbers of TOW missiles, both by capturing them from U.S.-backed groups, and by co-opting U.S.-backed groups who then deployed the missiles on Nusra’s behalf during the spring 2015 campaign to conquer Idlib.
Further, even before the start of the program to provide TOW missiles, U.S. officials were clearly aware that U.S.-supplied weapons were falling into Nusra’s hands. The New York Times reported in October 2013 that Obama administration officials chose to arm what they referred to as Syrian rebels via a covert program run by the CIA, rather than via a publicly acknowledged program through the Pentagon, not only to avoid the legal issues associated with toppling a sovereign government, but also because, in the words of one former senior administration official, “We needed plausible deniability in case the arms got into the hands of Al Nusra.”
Further, U.S. planners continued shipping the missiles to U.S.-backed groups long after it became clear they had played a key role in Nusra’s conquest of Idlib province. Fearing that not only Idlib, but also Damascus would fall to jihadists fighting with the support of U.S.-backed FSA groups, Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian air force to intervene on behalf of the Syrian army in September 2015. U.S. planners responded by immediately accelerating shipments of additional TOW missiles.
The New York Times reported on October 12, 2015, just two weeks after the start of the Russian intervention, that FSA groups were now receiving as many TOW missiles as they asked for, and that the U.S. was effectively fighting a proxy war with Russia as a result. One FSA commander explained, “We get what we ask for in a very short time,” while another rebel official in Hama called the supply “carte blanche,” suggesting, “We can get as much as we need and whenever we need them.”
Daveed Gartenstein-Ross of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) observed that “at this point it is impossible to argue that U.S. officials involved in the CIA’s program cannot discern that Nusra and other extremists have benefited” from CIA weapons shipments, “And despite this, the CIA decided to drastically increase lethal support to vetted rebel factions following the Russian intervention into Syria in late September [2015].””
Meanwhile, it looks like the going price for a Javelin ATGM (presumably sans control unit and with the trademark unfit for purpose US batteries) on the Ukrainian black market is $30k
Support Peace In Ukraine, Buy Javelin Online
Yes. They armed the Mujahideen as well didn’t they? I remember finding it striking when watching that James Bond film (i.e. CIA propaganda, and I watched it some years after 9/11 you understand, not when it originally came out) where they were clearly the good guys.
I remember watching this 1988 film a few years after 9/11 and enjoying its very different American portrayal of Afghans from the later prevailing view:
The Beast of War
I’m not sure whether its unapologetically Russophobic (anti-Soviet) bent would make up for the pro-mujahideen bent, these days. Though come to think of it, iirc while the Soviets were the bad guys, the real villain was a psychopathic individual Russian veteran and the hero was a Russian soldier as well, so it’s a bit of a wash in that regard for the modern neocons, I suppose.
Ah, now 18-rated as it portrays smoking…
LOL! In response to your comment I went to look at the IMDb “Parents Guide” section and saw under “Sex and nudity”: “A nude baby is shown from behind sitting.”
There are some very strange people out there!
It does indeed also warn us that: “Men smoke cigarettes in the background.”
The horror!
US sphere societies have certainly gone collectively insane.
It’s odd, isn’t it? I’m just watching the new series of Stranger Things and the IMDB ‘Parent’s Guide’ is more concerned about the effect on children of smoking, kissing and a scene where one of the kids is wearing underpants, than they are about any possible psychological effects of faceless demons coming to you in your dreams and mutilating your body horrifically… I’m pretty sure which aspect might have given my kids nightmares, perhaps they’re different today?
The reference to a “nude baby” under the heading “Sex and nudity” is disgraceful, even sickening. Who puts those two words together?
And it’s men smoking that we should be warned about?
What the hell is wrong with these people? The kindest interpretation is that they are insane.
Corruption in the Ukraine? I’m shocked; shocked I tell you!
Very many lessons have not been learnt from the SyrIan experience. Anyone paying attention would have been able to advise that the Russian military was extremely well-led by people with first-class strategic capabilities, and that it was likely to prove formidable anywhere.
Despite all the bravado the military in the US and UK will have had their eyes opened by Russia’s carefully orchestrated operation.
NATO would not stand a chance in all out war with Russia.
The US military budget is not a budget for the defence of a republic, rather it is the budget of a world hegemon. Americans need to chose whether they want to be the impoverished subjects of a world empire, or free citizens of a republic.
For ourselves, we need to free ourselves from foreign (US) control by sweeping aside the existing elites and setting policies that are in our national interest for the first time in decades – the interests of the people of the nation, not the interests of the globalist rulers of Airstrip One.
Peace through Strength? Excessive US Military Spending Encourages More War
“The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought America’s foreign policy interventions under the limelight once again. Ryan McMaken argues that the US administration’s claim that countries should not have the right to a sphere of influence, implicitly addressing Russia, is hypocritical. The US opposes a sphere of influence for Russia and other regional powers, while at the same time has steadily expanded its own global outreach. Among other, one can judge how true this is by looking at the amount of US military spending and size of its foreign military interventions.
The USA not only spends a disproportionately high amount of money on military relative to the rest of the world, but has also continued doing so when the Cold War was over and it could have set in motion a virtuous cycle of international disarmament. The USA has also multiplied its foreign military actions and engaged in controversial and costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, harming both international peace and the global economy.“
It’s coming to something if he actually has to spell this out to people!
This will inevitably end up in court, particularly as I think the company HQ is still in California? It will be interesting to see which way the judges go, Musk is a bit of a bête noire to the establishment…
He might have to buy himself a new Californian government to go with his new Californian company.
I thought Musk was talking about moving the HQ to Texas last year.
Something about woke California and its effect on business
“More than two years since the World Health Organization declared a pandemic, it’s back to crisis management school for Members of the European Parliament. A special covid committee has convened to ‘holistically’ review ‘lessons learned’. But take a look at the European Parliament’s Decision on its remit, and you’ll see that the post-pandemic lesson plan for Europe is a little light on critical thinking.
In recent times, MEPs brushed aside legal worries about everything from closing schools to limiting freedom of movement. Who’s been affected and how, an investigation might be expected to ask—but not this one.
In the recital to the Decision, Parliament feeds the Committee with an answer to this crucial question. In the first place, it’s women. ‘During the #COVID19 pandemic, women took the hardest hit: literally, mentally and financially,’ pronounced Roberta Metsola, the Parliament’s President, citing a survey exclusively composed of female respondents.” (Substack)
One wonders whether they actually know the meaning of “holistic” (or the Birkenhead drill).
I think the survey should have been composed entirely of child respondents…
“Prince Andrew tests positive for Covid and will miss St Paul’s service.”
Useless piece of shyte needs a booster.
Good morning, hp. Poor man must be devastated to be missing out on his devotions.
Greetings AE.
“In a pathetic image of what government indifference and overreach means, we see scores of green refuse bags filled with terrified, squirming cats and dogs being dumped on streets, destined for mass culling, likely gassing. The act – late in the lockdown and in plain sight – is an exercise in pure power. A vindictive cruelty intended to further terrorise a people already crippled by years of oppression into accepting the unacceptable.” (TCW)
Yep. That’s what tyranny looks like, and that’s what we are fighting against. One day, I hope there will be a memorial to those who endured state brutality to protest against tyranny during lockdowns in London, Victoria and elsewhere. Heroes every one.
“Warning: Disturbing material in text and on links”
Yes. Isn’t it just? 2049? You’re having a laugh.
More crimes against humanity by Peterloo Trudeau:
Chilling.
Very similar things have happened and continue to happen in Australis, with devastating consequences for public trust of the medical profession.
Seems Kim Jong Dan (and that guy in the Northern Territory) have rivals in Canada and California…
The bullying in Australia came largely from doctors’ own professional bodies; aided and abetted in Victoria by the police.
Didn’t a German regime of the 1930’s take their cue from medical and scientific professionals? Following the “science” is nothing new unfortunately.
Neither our governments nor the German regime of the 1930’s can be let off the hook so lightly. They share authoritarian attitudes.
Especially ‘science’ twisted by poltics and dreams of world domination!
Like the Big Pharma cartel that got the creator of GcMAF, the cancer cure, prosecuted and jailed.
Can’t have their profitable but ineffective drugs shown up by real medicines that actually cure people.
Is there still a medical profession somewhere?
My experience of the U.K. OURNHS staff is that they are catalogue jockeys for Big Pharma.
They no longer examine patients – they simply ask what symptoms the patient thinks he/she/zee/it has, look it up in the Big Pharma catalogue and issue the prescribed drug.
That is becoming the norm, if it isn’t already.
I was actually shocked when my new GP examined me, made a quick and accurate diagnosis (confirmed by a test) and suggested rest. No pills; no bill.
He’ll be called in by the BMA for a little chat, and reminded that he is there to push drugs.
I think the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service are somewhat better.
Ah. Safe and effective, safe and effective…
I wonder what would happen to the CEO in Tyrant Trudeau’s Canada?
He’d be invited to meet Trudeau so they could compare their fake vaccine certificates!
Does anyone believe British MPs haven’t been promoting wed safe saline shots for them and their families, so they can show photos of them to kid their constituents to line up and drink the KoolAid?
Should be ‘promised safe saline shots’.
This is a very difficult website to use and be sure it won’t re-write it for you.
“Will it be 2042 or 2062 when Netflix releases a documentary about a certain medical scandal in the early 2020s, when a mandated government vaccine killed and damaged thousands of children and young people? The documentary makers and their audiences will ask, ‘Why did no one listen? How was this allowed to happen?’
A peer-reviewed Israeli study published in January concluded that heart inflammation rates were higher in double-vaccinated young men than in partially vaccinated young men, and much higher than in unvaccinated young men.
It followed earlier warnings of the serious risk and evidence of post-vaccine myocarditis in young men, evidence-based warnings that have continued while the public have watched athletes collapse or die.” (TCW).
Perhaps someone should tell this to those “holistic” Eurocrats and their five presidents…
Why are the Israelis so keen on killing their own people?
You think they’d know a dodgy narrative when they heard one.
Only thousands?
‘Sophie Cook has been appointed the CPS’s “speak-out champion”. ‘She’ will work four days per week’
What’s the matter can’t Sophie do a full five days because of her period?
Seriously do not refer to a biological man as she, just say the transgender male to female who changed names to Sophie.
“Transgender” isn’t even in our 1968 dictionary, let alone our older one.
Still, I suppose “cissy” would be a “non-crime hate incident” (I’m not sure about “tomboy”).
Re the Spanish Pharma CEO being afraid of the vaccine: I have heard that taking Ivermectin reduces or nullifies the action of the spike protein and that this could therefore mitigate potential adverse events if one had to take the vaccine. It seems logical, even if there is no actual test data.
Sadly nothing nullifies the toxic effects of the other ingredients such as the PEG, the graphene etc….
Avoiding the injectable bioweapon is the only safe option.
Call me cynical but I don’t believe Andy has China virus.
Well, there is a lot of it about amongst the under-16s!
Could that be Andy’s mum looking after him with a downtick?
Its what used to be called a “diplomatic cold”
But Covid-19 allows him to isolate with Gemma-14.
How did this do in the charts
https://princeandrew.info/
Sly News at least went so far as to inform the reader that this guy suffered chest pains before tragically dying at a relatively young age.
Still no sign of them asking why so many young people are suddenly dropping down dead though.
JP Morgan capitalists, along with Rochefeller capitalists, funded Trotsky and Lenin’s Red Revolution.
I’m comfident Mr Dimon means it both literally and ideologically when he describes himself as ‘red-blooded’.
Peter North bemoaning the lack of political action over at TurbulentTimes, as some politicians try to backbeddle Brexit, hard to disagree…
Worth reading in full
https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/trade/bigger-problems-than-brexit/
Is Shakespeare racist? Probably, by the current amorphous definition. So is 90% of all art on those terms. Then you have to ask yourself, what’s more important – the collective culture of 1000 years or someone’s feelings? And at that point you have to conclude that maybe racism isn’t really that important. It’s not very nice, but it’s not that important. Or that bad in most cases.
Elon Musk is really giving it some, on his way down the drain – at least if typing a few angry words on his keyboard counts as “giving it some”. To recap: this guy offered $54.20 per Sh*tter share. Funny how since he made his “offer” nobody in the real world has bought a Sh*tter share on the open market for more than $41.
He’s all mouth and no trousers!
Anyone who believes he has got the credit to support a $44bn offer for Sh*tter, a company capitalised at about three-quarters of that figure – this guy who is known to be invested in building luxury plug-in electric cars (vehicles that might embarrass Liberace) as the world economy teeters on the f***ing brink – must be living in cloud cuckoo land.
But I’m told he once “liked a tweet” by Toby
Prince Andrew tests positive for Covid
Welby also has COVID and can’t attend either. There’s a lot of it about, isn’t there, well, *if* you were injected with the safe and effective wonder drug. I think that these VIPs may have got the real medicine.
Was there some mistake …?
The people that count got the saline shot.
The proles got the lethal jab.
“Testing positive for covid” is a marvellous excuse, when you think about it.
You don’t have to look ill, act ill, or be ill, but by virtue of saying you’ve “tested positive” you can get out of all sorts of things. And you don’t even have to test yourself, you can just say it and be believed. No one will question it. What luck!
Might give it a go myself if there’s something I want to avoid.
Were the pair of them hanging around school gates too long perhaps?
Lots of ‘asymptomatic’ kids there judging by conventional covid wisdom.
It sounds a bit like the old ‘upset stomach’ note from Mum – the ruse to avoid ‘bodily contact’ School games.
Further to the link I posted earlier showing Javelin missiles for sale on the black market (Support Peace In Ukraine, Buy Javelin Online), here’s Interpol pointing out the bleeding obvious, for any still in denial:
Interpol Warns of Flood of Illicit Arms After Ukraine War
Have any of the Ukraine dupes actually tried to pretend this flood of weaponry won’t end up being sold to bad actors (other than the Ukrainian regime itself, I mean), just like every other flood of US weaponry used to try to achieve US aggressive goals? I have a feeling I’ve seen one or two of them at it here.
You’d have to be profoundly stupid or ignorant, but these after all are the kinds of people who actually believe that the government of Russia chooses to use a ridiculously dangerous and exotic chemical to poison old men in foreign countries for no apparent rational reason, presumably out of sheer gratuitous evilness, happily accepting the inevitable disastrous diplomatic costs because they didn’t want to do it the traditional way for…reasons.
All part of the ‘Create Global Chaos’ trope from the US Deep State?
I don’t want to join a lynch mob against Tim Hartford, for whom I have the greatest respect, but like all of us, he has his blind spots. He missed a great opportunity on the More or Less program 6 April 2020 in his interview with Jason Okes to see that there was a possibility that the London lockdown occurred after the horse had bolted, namely that the peak in infections had already occurred by 6 April, and the lockdown was futile. But instead he jumped on the week prior “voluntary lockdown”, as the only possible explanation. Am being a bit unfair?
Not 6 April, that was when the program was broadcast. Whatever date, it’s in the interview.
More or Less program went out on 22 April 2020.
Got the dates wrong here. Peak deaths 8 April, peak infections 18 Mar, lockdown 23 Mar. Point being that at lockdown, London was beyond the peak in infections, so was on the downward slope towards herd immunity, making the London lockdown pointless..
Fauci knew it was airborne 4th Feb 2020, so they all shoulda known lockdowns were pointless.
Tho I think they all knew before that personally, they funded it into existance.
https://twitter.com/CharlesRixey/status/1510395369053732870/photo/1