• Login
  • Register
The Daily Sceptic
No Result
View All Result
  • Articles
  • About
  • Archive
    • ARCHIVE
    • NEWS ROUND-UPS
  • Podcasts
  • Newsletter
  • Premium
  • Donate
  • Log In
The Daily Sceptic
No Result
View All Result

Jordan Peterson: COP27 is an Expensive Exercise in Futility as CO2 Emissions Climb Ever Higher and Renewables Cannot Do the Job

by Will Jones
4 November 2022 5:56 PM

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results – the famous quote often misattributed to Albert Einstein should be the unofficial motto of COP27, say Jordan Peterson and Bjørn Lomborg in the Telegraph.

Global CO2 emissions have kept increasing since the world’s nations first committed to rein in climate change at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 – despite dozens of climate summits and the global climate agreements struck in Kyoto and Paris. This is the case, once again, in 2022, when we will collectively set a new emissions record. While rich countries increasingly promise draconian cuts (and then generally backtrack, as they import huge amounts of oil, gas and coal to save their citizens from energy poverty, as they have done most recently to address the current energy crisis), most of the future emissions will come from the currently poorer countries in Asia and Africa, as they power their climb out of abject poverty.  

In the previous 10 years, the world has focused more on remediating climate change than ever before. Despite this, we are not achieving anything, although no shortage of money has been wasted. In a surprisingly honest review of climate policies, the UN revealed a “lost decade”: The report found that it couldn’t tell the difference between what has happened and a world that adopted no new climate policies since 2005. Consider that: all those climate summits and grandiose promises – all that expense and trouble – and no measurable difference whatsoever.  

This state of affairs is unsurprising, unfortunately, because today’s renewable energy sources have two big problems. First, they occupy a vast amount of space, often displacing nature: replacing a square yard of a gas-fired power plant requires 73 square yards of solar panels, 239 square yards of on-shore wind turbines, or an astonishing 6,000 square yards of biomass. One study found that the United States would have to devote a land area four times the size of the United Kingdom to ‘clean power’ to fulfill President Biden’s promise of a carbon-free economy by 2050. 

Second – and of even greater importance – the two renewable energy technologies favoured by the vast majority of environmental activists are intermittent or unreliable. Solar energy simply isn’t produced when it is overcast or at nighttime. Wind energy requires a breeze. We are often told by green energy boosters that wind and solar energy are cheaper than fossil fuels. At best, that is only true when the wind is blowing, or the sun is shining. On a windless, dark night, the cost of wind and solar power rises to the infinite. 

It is for such reasons that it is deeply misleading (although highly convenient) to compare the energy costs of wind or solar to fossil fuels only when it is windy and sunny. It is also important to note that since all solar energy is sold at essentially the same time (when the sun is up and shining), its value drops dramatically. When solar reaches 30% market share in California, as one study revealed, it loses two-thirds of its value.

Furthermore: because modern societies require 24 hours of non-stop power, backup is not optional – and that means reliance on fossil fuels, when there’s no sun or wind. As more solar and wind is introduced, moreover, fossil fuel backups become ever more expensive as they offer their services for fewer hours, to produce the necessary return on capital. And what of batteries? Globally, we have battery storage with the current capacity to store one minute and 15 seconds of the world’s electricity consumption. And that problem will not be ameliorated soon – even by 2030, global batteries will only cover less than 11 minutes of the global electricity consumption.

And these are just the problems with moving electricity away from fossil fuel. Electricity constitutes just 19% of total energy use, Peterson and Lomborg explain. “We’re far further behind in developing solutions for agriculture, manufacturing, construction, and transportation.” The most supposedly advanced of these solutions is electric vehicles, yet despite massive subsidies, “just 1.4% of cars globally are electric, and that number is not going up quickly,” they say. “The Biden Administration itself estimates that battery-electric cars will make up less than 10% of total U.S. automobile stock – by 2050.”

Peterson and Lomborg propose a new approach based on investment in innovation and simply not being in such a hurry. “Finding the breakthroughs that will power the rest of the 21st century could require a decade, or it could take four. But no other genuine solutions beckon, and we have already had three decades of spectacular failure pursuing the policies that are currently in place.”

Worth reading in full.

Tags: Carbon EmissionsClimate AlarmismCOP27Energy crisisFossil fuelsJordan PetersonNet ZeroRenewable energy

Donate

We depend on your donations to keep this site going. Please give what you can.

Donate Today

Comment on this Article

You’ll need to set up an account to comment if you don’t already have one. We ask for a minimum donation of £5 if you'd like to make a comment or post in our Forums.

Sign Up
Previous Post

Debunking the Myth That Lockdown Was Justified Because ‘We Didn’t Know’

Next Post

News Round-Up

Subscribe
Login
Notify of
Please log in to comment

To join in with the discussion please make a donation to The Daily Sceptic.

Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.

21 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Monro
Monro
1 year ago

What planet is pantsdown on?

Speaking at the Science and Technology Committee, Professor Ferguson said: “The epidemic was doubling every three to four days before lockdown interventions were introduced. So had we introduced lockdown measures a week earlier, we would have reduced the final death toll by at least a half.”

10 June 2020

Last edited 1 year ago by Monro
241
0
wokeman
wokeman
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

Good research.

67
0
anbak
anbak
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

It’s the planet where Science is, essentially, just computer modelling. Put your non evidence based assumptions in and the computer does the rest. No need for hypotheses, or any of that kind of nonsense, on that planet.

On our planet this kind of prediction is probably more akin to astrology, than what we generally have called science for the past 300 years.

135
0
Baldrick
Baldrick
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

Every epidemiologist knows that epidemics follow Gompertz curves. It might be steep in growth, but it is NOT expoential.

104
-2
True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
1 year ago
Reply to  Baldrick

Indeed.

27
0
zebedee
zebedee
1 year ago
Reply to  Baldrick

Epidemics do not follow Gompertz curves, if I remember correctly that models life expectancy. Nothing natural grows exponentially because that implies infinite resource. The growth of the standard SIR model corresponds to what would be exponential growth were it not multiplied by the expected value of a logit-normal distribution.

1
-25
Roy Everett
Roy Everett
1 year ago
Reply to  Baldrick

Four days before the first lockdown PHE data showed that the cases had already deviated sufficiently from the initial exponential that an estimate could be made of the final cumulative cases, by fitting a Normal Distribution Model, giving figures limited to around 100,000. After a few more weeks of the first wave the asymmetry of the Gompertz Curve could be estimated, giving an updated figure of around 200,000, because of the long tail of the Gompertz Curve. However, all this modelling was disrupted by factors such as changes in the counting criteria, notably the “from”/”with” debate and the messing around with PCR cycle thresholds. By the time of the second wave the whole thing was a political, psyops and epidemiological mess, resistant to simplistic modelling of virus and human behaviour.

39
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
1 year ago
Reply to  Roy Everett

Yes. The “curve” was already flattening. Lockdown happened because that yellowbelly Johnson panicked.

24
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  Roy Everett

When the medical establishment – meaning our wonderful NHS doctors were killing people with ventilators in 2020 the mortality from covid ventilators was 6% of hospitalised cases.

After August 2020 the mortality rate dropped to 1% indicating it was not covid killing the hospitalised cases prior to that time.

And of course 6% stoked the flames.

Also, 1% was way lower than the figures we were being given daily of the covid deaths occurring within 28 days of a positive test.

24
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
1 year ago
Reply to  Baldrick

They also know that you CANNOT stop an RSV completing its natural course. All lockdown did (apart from inflicting carnage on society, the economy and politics) was delay the end.

As NZ showed clearly.

21
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
1 year ago
Reply to  Monro

Thank you. You finally prompted me to write to the Covid enquiry.

contact@covid19.public-inquiry.uk

15
0
Baldrick
Baldrick
1 year ago

“What I tried to do was at times, which was stepping outside the scientific advisory role, to try and focus people’s minds on what was going to happen and the consequences of current trends scare people into lockdowns with my silly models.” I think that’s more accurate.

128
0
CircusSpot
CircusSpot
1 year ago

Words fail me. It really is like 1984 where they deny their own words a year or so after speaking them. Hats off to all of you who said this would happen.

201
0
True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
1 year ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

It’s extremely Orwellian.

88
0
Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  CircusSpot

He’s doing a Dr Fauci!

81
0
wokeman
wokeman
1 year ago

This man has done untold damage to billions of lives with his pseudo science and what if any consequences has he faced? If you can’t see the system is rigged you never will.

187
-1
True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
1 year ago

Ten years from now, NO ONE will admit that they ever supported any flavor of lockdowns. Just like it’s extremely hard to impossible to find anyone today who admits to having ever supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Last edited 1 year ago by True Spirit of America Party
156
-1
BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
1 year ago
Reply to  True Spirit of America Party

I suspect that support of the covid injections will also be denied….
This landed in the EU Parliament a couple of days ago. Nothing over here about it, but then we’re being diverted by Israeli & Palestinian squirrels….

https://www.facebook.com/100090100260048/posts/pfbid027A8stAEmNNZaFgbcyKvsn7XETfgPJfJU5rXuUNNEjtYEqz61fFcGd7RiugyWgVY7l/?sfnsn=scwspmo

37
0
True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
1 year ago

I do recall that back then in his “study” that was used to justify lockdowns, he had a sleight of mouth where he advocated “very strict social distancing” as distinguished from “lockdown” in that in the latter, no one is allowed to go to work at all (like Wuhan). Classic motte-and-bailey argument, basically. Just like when other lockdown zealots disingenuously claim that we never had a Real Lockdown (TM). Natch.

Last edited 1 year ago by True Spirit of America Party
48
0
A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
1 year ago
Reply to  True Spirit of America Party

They claim we never had a Real Lockdown, but at the same time they claim that the Real Lockdown worked and we must do it again next time.

12
0
Valerie_London
Valerie_London
1 year ago

Well he certainly seems proud of it here
https://unherd.com/thepost/neil-ferguson-interview-china-changed-what-was-possible/

43
0
JayBee
JayBee
1 year ago
Reply to  Valerie_London

Yep.
His China and Italy rave came to my mind immediately.
The original drivel:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/people-don-t-agree-with-lockdown-and-try-to-undermine-the-scientists-gnms7mp
98

Professor Ferguson added: “I think clearly the biggest mistake was the time taken to lock down.”
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/neil-ferguson-delay-lockdown-uks-biggest-pandemic-mistake

48
0
Roy Everett
Roy Everett
1 year ago
Reply to  JayBee

I suggest that had there been a delay of a few more days before the first lockdown then the data would clearly have shown a low bound to ultimate numbers, rather than the government -media hysteria over a million dead and Hyde Park being a mortuary. Perhaps Carrie bullied Boris???

19
0
Jon Smith
Jon Smith
1 year ago

How do we, the people that these policies affected most, go about ensuring accountability for this whole lockdown debacle.
If only I knew, I’d devote the rest of my life to the cause because one things for sure, it won’t come from this so called Covid Inquiry.
There must be some legal standing for those who’s businesses and livelihoods were ruined.. Is that the pathway..

80
-2
Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Smith

Our Courts are as corrupt as the rest of our institutions.

50
-1
Jon Smith
Jon Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Agreed

17
0
Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Yup Simon Dolan tried to legally challenge Lockdown in the Supreme Court and it got rejected twice!

29
0
Jon Smith
Jon Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

I’d be interested to hear on what grounds exactly

9
0
Arum
Arum
1 year ago

Someone once said ‘advisors advise, ministers decide’. But it feels like his role was much more than advisory.

35
0
DHJ
DHJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Arum

These academics manipulate politicians into making choices the politicians would otherwise avoid and can claim they don’t decide the policy. All the control and experimentation, none of the accountability.

28
0
Smudger
Smudger
1 year ago
Reply to  DHJ

More fool the politicians who can’t smell the rat in the room.

6
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  Smudger

They have perfect senses of smell.

There are too many of them keeping quiet and doing nothing to prove that is true.

How come they don’t do their job of representing their electors, their constituents?

4
0
ChrisSpeke
ChrisSpeke
1 year ago

How can it be that this man has survived so many health challenges in which his claimed expertise has been used to make policy and who has been wrong every time , is still given credibility ? He was wrong about BSE , wrong about Foot and Mouth and was wrong about Covid 19 . This defines the Administration of Health in Britain and it is truly corrupted !

78
0
DHJ
DHJ
1 year ago
Reply to  ChrisSpeke

The OBE suggests he does what is required.

47
0
WyrdWoman
WyrdWoman
1 year ago
Reply to  ChrisSpeke

…and bird flu, and swine flu. I remember Derek Winton’s scathing piece in our very own Daily Sceptic from Feb 2021:

https://dailysceptic.org/2021/02/18/the-imperial-model-and-its-role-in-the-uks-pandemic-response/

25
0
DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
1 year ago
Reply to  WyrdWoman

Well remembered, thank you. Derek Winton should have been giving this evidence to the inquiry, not Pantsdown, who’s only a legend in his own lunchbox. But as the inquiry is only a whitewash, maybe not.

15
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
1 year ago
Reply to  ChrisSpeke

Reward for failure. Core to the public sector. Remember Cynthia Bowers? At the heart of the Mid-Staffs Morgue scandal? Sacked? No – move on to the Care Quality Commission to carry on harming people.

8
0
Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
1 year ago

He didn’t force anybody to do anything, he just suppled the results he was asked for.

He isn’t even a secondary villain.

21
-3
Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago

Looks like Fauci was let into the CIA headquarters without signing in. Check out 17:50
https://rumble.com/v3pp7bs-this-is-bad-theyre-at-it-again.html

12
0
Hester
Hester
1 year ago

He is a liar, we all know he is a liar, his behaviour and his acitions and words recorded and captured on the Internet, so let him be recognised and treated as such. Noone not even his closest friends and relatives will believe or trust a word that comes out of his twisted lips.

31
0
huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

Multi levels of corruption oozing through every sentence of Paula Jardine’s excellent investigation in to the C1984 “vaccine” authorisations.

Killers the lot of them.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-uk-government-advisers-helped-pfizer-win-5-95billion-us-covid-vaccine-contract-part-2/

18
0
Myra
Myra
1 year ago

This week in the inquiry is proving very entertaining.
Sir Patrick Vallance’s team worrying about his human rights as his diaries are now in the public domain….human rights???
Mark Woolhouse: lockdowns were a big mistake…if only they had allowed debate and not censored.
Ferguson: I never wanted them to lock us down…just helped them along a bit in their thinking..
Tomorrow will be fun. Carl Henegan! Can’t wait. Hope he wipes the floor with them!

31
0
Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
1 year ago

Here’s an extract from an email I sent to Neil Ferguson on 23 March 2021:

Professor Ferguson, in your Imperial College Report 9, you argue for a suppression strategy, saying: “The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed.”

Who decided on the mass vaccination intervention? Wasn’t it known at the time that the virus wasn’t a threat to everyone? It appears now it’s mainly the elderly with comorbidities who are at risk of the virus. So why was it planned to vaccinate the entire global population?

Was the vaccine response initiated at the behest of one of  your funders, Bill Gates??[1] Gates outlined his global Covid-19 vaccine plans in his article published in April 2020: What you need to know about the COVID-19 vaccine.

Why is a software billionaire dominating international vaccination policy?

We are now seeing calls for people of all ages, including children, to be vaccinated with fast-tracked experimental Covid-19 vaccine products. 

In The Telegraph today, it’s reported Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock are planning to set in place compulsory vaccination for care home staff.[2] This is the thin end of the wedge, with compulsory vaccination probably to be pressed upon everyone, e.g. No Jab, No Job; No Jab, No School; No Jab, No Travel; No Jab, No Pub; etc.

This is looking like a disaster Professor Ferguson, because this is not just a matter of one magical shot to provide lifelong immunity. People are being set up for repeated revaccination throughout life with Covid-19 vaccine products, even though most people aren’t at serious risk of the virus – did anyone think this through? 

People who are not at serious risk of the virus, are going to have their own effective immune response compromised by the vaccines, with the apparent aim of making them dependent upon Covid vaccine products for life. How can this be justified Professor Ferguson – is this ethical, to steal people’s natural immunity and seek to make them dependent upon the vaccine industry?

According to an article in the Independent on 13 March 2020, there were plans to develop natural herd immunity, see: Coronavirus: 60% of UK population need to become infected so country can build ‘herd immunity’, government’s chief scientist says. 

But this all seemed to change after your report was published, dated 16 March 2020, resulting in a massive impact around the world with the implementation of lockdowns and other restrictions hindering free movement and association, with devastating consequences for society and the economy.

Professor Ferguson, in your report you queried whether suppression “is possible long-term, and whether the social and economic costs of the interventions adopted thus far can be reduced”. You also emphasise “that (it) is at all certain that suppression will succeed long term; no public health intervention with such disruptive effects on society has been previously attempted for such a long duration of time. How populations and societies will respond remains unclear”.

Wow…didn’t anyone think to do ‘modelling’ of the social and economic costs of the interventions?  

We really are living through the biggest scandal in history…

Seriously…Ferguson’s report enabled a manufactured global catastrophe – how could this happen?!?!?

31
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
1 year ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

“how could this happen?!?!?”

Easy – that’s what they wanted.

There is a very simple argument against lockdown. You CANNOT stop an RSV completing its natural course. Ergo, lockdown simply delays the virus doing what it has to do. And NZ showed this clearly.

10
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

What we all need to know is – who are the “theys” and how many and how many tiers of the “they” are there?

Who was the tip of the spear – people like Ferguson, Ian Vallance, Bojo and that picture was repeated in nearly every government worldwide – how was that done?

Who was holding the spear?

Who was nudging the spear holder forward?

Who was paying the nudger(s) to do the nudging?

All questions the Hallett inquiry will never get anywhere near IMHO, being busy covering it all over until next time.

And of course next time looks like happening way before Hallett is even halfway applying the whitewash.

Last edited 1 year ago by iconoclast
4
0
Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  iconoclast

Dr David Robberts European Parliament speech that went viral is a must see into the mechanisms of big pharma and the plandemic.

1
0
Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
1 year ago

Please God – put me in a ring with this guy. No gloves.

22
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago

I read the “science” Professor Pants Down relied on for his ‘modelling’ within a day of his claims hitting the newsstands.

It was clearly crap. It included for example projections from figures from populations in China which had completely different living conditions and standards compared to the UK and which were published on draft unreviewed pre-prints.

And we have the science to know that modelling does not and cannot work – ever. I will not explain it all again but it suffices to say that Professor Philip Tetlock’s 20 years of research proved that forecasts by experts are less reliable than forecasts by dart-throwing chimpanzees.

And complexity science proves that modelling cannot work because generally there are too many variables to predict and forecasts rapidly become unreliable the further beyond the ‘prediction horizon’ the ‘experts’ try to go.

But more especially what you need to be aware of is that the legacy media only relied on and continually quoted what Johns Hopkins and Ferguson’s group at Imperial College pronounced.

Both institutions were and probably remain beneficiaries for example of the Bill Gates’ Foundation’s largesse.

Bearing in mind how many other learned institutions there are worldwide it beggars belief that only those two institutions were the ones repeatedly quoted in the legacy media.

There is a lesson there for us all about who is behind what the media publishes to mislead us all.

Last edited 1 year ago by iconoclast
15
0
allanplaskett
allanplaskett
1 year ago

Ferguson is the archetypal geek, exactly the type Churchill had in mind when he shuddered at the thought of experts on top rather than on tap. I don’t know why more wasn’t made at the time of the fact that Ferguson’s ridiculous lash-up program produced different forecasts when run multiple times on the same platform. Even so, he has been unjustly maligned. We can see from the record that it wasn’t him pushing fanatically for lockdown. Nor was it Whitty and Vallance. The record shows the impetus came from the public sector unions. Up to the 10-Mar-2020 the government was pursuing a sensible herd immunity policy. On that day, medical GMB members threatened mutiny, citing inadequate PPE for NHS workers. Other unions waded in. The RMT threatened a rail strike, UCU threatened university closures, saying the government was ignoring the coronavirus threat. The NEU waved the threat of national withdrawal of labour in schools. Faced with a multiple mutiny of public-sector unions, Boris and Co began frantically spinning and seeking for pretexts on which to abandon herd immunity. At the 16-Mar-20 press conference, Ferguson’s preposterous forecasts were wheeled out. On 18-Mar-20, Boris caved in to NEU strike threats by agreeing schools would close. This was the decisive step. Parents cannot go to work if their kids are off school.

Last edited 1 year ago by allanplaskett
13
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  allanplaskett

allanplaskett

“Even so, he has been unjustly maligned. We can see from the record that it wasn’t him pushing fanatically for lockdown.”

Nonsense. He and his team knew exactly what they were doing. It would take a moron not to know what the outcome would be. And on top of that he and his team made sure they hit the headlines immediately to cause panic.

The responsible thing to do would have been to subject their “modelling” meddling muddling to calm review and critical scrutiny of responsible knowledgeable professionals.

And as I have already written here:

“But more especially what you need to be aware of is that the legacy media only relied on and continually quoted what Johns Hopkins and Ferguson’s group at Imperial College pronounced.

Both institutions were and probably remain beneficiaries for example of the Bill Gates’ Foundation’s largesse.

Bearing in mind how many other learned institutions there are worldwide it beggars belief that only those two institutions were the ones repeatedly quoted in the legacy media.

There is a lesson there for us all about who is behind what the media publishes to mislead us all.”

How can that happen?

It is a far more sophisticated version of the JFK assassination when the ready-made fake news cover story defying the laws of physics was spread worldwide JFK was killed by lone gunman Lee Harvey Oswald shooting from the Dallas Book Depository with a bolt action rifle.

And they did not care then that this legend was full of holes because it was believed for long enough to cover over the traces and it is still believed today.

Today it is known exactly how many shooters there were, where they shot from and even what their names are.

And don’t forget the 9/11 smoking gun of the impossible collapse of building 7. Building 7 which was hit by nothing and collapsed onto its own footprint exactly like a controlled demolition.

And that is all supposed to be conspiracy theory.

Last edited 1 year ago by iconoclast
3
0
allanplaskett
allanplaskett
1 year ago
Reply to  iconoclast

You feel strongly but need to check the record of what actually happened. A good summary is contained in Dr Ben Irvine’s Long Read essay, Lockdown Sceptics, 06-Jan-22. 

0
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  allanplaskett

“You … but need to check the record of what actually happened”

Which of three events I discuss are you referring to?

0
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  allanplaskett

allanplaskett

“Ferguson is the archetypal geek”

I disagree. There is too much evidence of coordination.

And as I have already written here:

“But more especially what you need to be aware of is that the legacy media only relied on and continually quoted what Johns Hopkins and Ferguson’s group at Imperial College pronounced.

Both institutions were and probably remain beneficiaries for example of the Bill Gates’ Foundation’s largesse.

Bearing in mind how many other learned institutions there are worldwide it beggars belief that only those two institutions were the ones repeatedly quoted in the legacy media.

There is a lesson there for us all about who is behind what the media publishes to mislead us all.”

Last edited 1 year ago by iconoclast
1
0
A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
1 year ago

To be fair (and I’m no fan of Fergoid) I think “they” were going to lock down regardless of what his model said – too much pressure from all sides – but for him to claim that he had no personal influence on policy is bollox.

6
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

““they” were going to lock down regardless of what his model said”

100% agree except that Professor Pants Down’s ‘muddle’ was used as the catalyst in a very irresponsible way.

Sir Ian Vallance first pronouncements were we we going to go all out Sweden and then he turned on a sixpence – spun around 180 and went to go all out lockdown all in a matter of hours.

He was clearly off-script and he was pulled back onto it.

Who exactly behind the scenes had the clout to get such an obvious volte face from a man in his prominent public position?

There is a lot we will never know and IMHO Hallett’s “inquiry” cover up will make sure of that.

Last edited 1 year ago by iconoclast
4
0
A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
1 year ago
Reply to  iconoclast

Yes, the model provided a very convenient “excuse” to lock down. Whether it was just lucky that it appeared at the right time, or somebody ensured it would appear at the right time…like you say we will probably never know.

His notorious quote along the lines of “We couldn’t get away with it” as already reproduced by RTSC above does strongly imply that he played a significant part in the decision making, certainly enough to feel he was part of the team, unless of course he’s just trying to make out he was more important than he actually was, which is always possible.

Last edited 1 year ago by A. Contrarian
2
0
iconoclast
iconoclast
1 year ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

If you apply the two questions which all half decent investigators do you will have enough evidence to put up a decent argument that we already have enough to know:

1) what is the normal thing for someone to do in these circumstances/the normal thing to happen in these circumstances

2) what is the obvious thing for someone to do in normal circumstances/to happen in normal circumstances.

So on that basis this is the one kind of modelling which can work – as it is not predicting the future but a past of what ought to have happened to compare it to what did happen.

It takes a lot of thought and is best done out loud with a team of people but it works.

Some things you just can’t hide and this situation is no different.

1
0
Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  iconoclast

Don’t forget the WHO where they changed the definition of a pandemic, so they could, i assume, usher in the Lockdowns ready for the saviour ‘vaccine’.

1
0
RTSC
RTSC
1 year ago

Neil Ferguson “It’s a communist one party state (China), we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.”

Pants on Fire Ferguson.

7
0
RTSC
RTSC
1 year ago
Reply to  RTSC

PS. His statement is in denial of the FACT that the Government reduced Covid to a Low Consequence Infectious Disease about 5 days BEFORE the first lockdown.

The reason …. because they knew it had low mortality rates!

They had already decided to destroy the economy and millions of lives.

8
0
Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  RTSC

And if they kept it at HCID they would have to use any available treatment going, like HQC. I think the Orange Man Bad regarding HQC was just an excuse to cover for the real reason they lowered it, for big pharma.

1
0
adamcollyer
adamcollyer
1 year ago

This is not “lockdowns back pedalling”.

A quick Internet search reveals that Ferguson was simply lying to the enquiry:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/professor-neil-ferguson-lockdown-scientist-measures-cases-679778

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-lockdown-extended-neil-ferguson-action-needed-a4415971.html

1
0
DomTaylor
DomTaylor
1 year ago

Neil Ferguson, 2020: ‘I think people’s sense of what is possible in terms of control changed quite dramatically between January and March. When SAGE observed the “innovative intervention” out of China, of locking entire communities down and not permitting them to leave their homes, they initially presumed it would not be an available option in a liberal Western democracy: it’s a communist one party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.’ 

1
0

NEWSLETTER

View today’s newsletter

To receive our latest news in the form of a daily email, enter your details here:

DONATE

PODCAST

The Sceptic EP.37: David Frost on Starmer’s EU Surrender, James Price on Broken Britain and David Shipley on Lucy Connolly’s Failed Appeal

by Richard Eldred
23 May 2025
6

LISTED ARTICLES

  • Most Read
  • Most Commented
  • Editor’s Picks

Doctor Who Star Ncuti Gatwa “Axed” and BBC Show to be “Put on Pause” Amid Falling Ratings and Woke Storylines

23 May 2025
by Will Jones

News Round-Up

24 May 2025
by Toby Young

We Were Too Polite to Stop the Woke Takeover

23 May 2025
by Mary Gilleece

Follow the Silenced is the Untold Story of the Covid Vaccine Trial Victims

24 May 2025
by Antony Brush

Maternity Hospital Evacuated After Solar Panel Fire

24 May 2025
by Will Jones

News Round-Up

27

Trump Slaps 50% Tariffs on EU – as He Tells Starmer to Get Drilling for Oil

46

Trump in Nuclear Power Push Dubbed “Manhattan Project 2”

21

We Were Too Polite to Stop the Woke Takeover

29

Starmer’s EU Reset Tethers the UK to the EU’s Green Dystopia

17

Follow the Silenced is the Untold Story of the Covid Vaccine Trial Victims

24 May 2025
by Antony Brush

Do Researchers’ Views on Immigration Affect the Results of Their Studies?

24 May 2025
by Noah Carl

Starmer’s EU Reset Tethers the UK to the EU’s Green Dystopia

24 May 2025
by Tilak Doshi

We Were Too Polite to Stop the Woke Takeover

23 May 2025
by Mary Gilleece

The Tweets Cited by the Judge to ‘Prove’ Lucy Connolly is “Racist” Do Nothing of the Sort

23 May 2025
by Laurie Wastell

POSTS BY DATE

November 2022
M T W T F S S
 123456
78910111213
14151617181920
21222324252627
282930  
« Oct   Dec »

SOCIAL LINKS

Free Speech Union

NEWSLETTER

View today’s newsletter

To receive our latest news in the form of a daily email, enter your details here:

POSTS BY DATE

November 2022
M T W T F S S
 123456
78910111213
14151617181920
21222324252627
282930  
« Oct   Dec »

DONATE

LISTED ARTICLES

  • Most Read
  • Most Commented
  • Editor’s Picks

Doctor Who Star Ncuti Gatwa “Axed” and BBC Show to be “Put on Pause” Amid Falling Ratings and Woke Storylines

23 May 2025
by Will Jones

News Round-Up

24 May 2025
by Toby Young

We Were Too Polite to Stop the Woke Takeover

23 May 2025
by Mary Gilleece

Follow the Silenced is the Untold Story of the Covid Vaccine Trial Victims

24 May 2025
by Antony Brush

Maternity Hospital Evacuated After Solar Panel Fire

24 May 2025
by Will Jones

News Round-Up

27

Trump Slaps 50% Tariffs on EU – as He Tells Starmer to Get Drilling for Oil

46

Trump in Nuclear Power Push Dubbed “Manhattan Project 2”

21

We Were Too Polite to Stop the Woke Takeover

29

Starmer’s EU Reset Tethers the UK to the EU’s Green Dystopia

17

Follow the Silenced is the Untold Story of the Covid Vaccine Trial Victims

24 May 2025
by Antony Brush

Do Researchers’ Views on Immigration Affect the Results of Their Studies?

24 May 2025
by Noah Carl

Starmer’s EU Reset Tethers the UK to the EU’s Green Dystopia

24 May 2025
by Tilak Doshi

We Were Too Polite to Stop the Woke Takeover

23 May 2025
by Mary Gilleece

The Tweets Cited by the Judge to ‘Prove’ Lucy Connolly is “Racist” Do Nothing of the Sort

23 May 2025
by Laurie Wastell

SOCIAL LINKS

Free Speech Union
  • Home
  • About us
  • Donate
  • Privacy Policy

Facebook

  • X

Instagram

RSS

Subscribe to our newsletter

© Skeptics Ltd.

Welcome Back!

Login to your account below

Forgotten Password? Sign Up

Create New Account!

Fill the forms below to register

All fields are required. Log In

Retrieve your password

Please enter your username or email address to reset your password.

Log In
No Result
View All Result
  • Articles
  • About
  • Archive
    • ARCHIVE
    • NEWS ROUND-UPS
  • Podcasts
  • Newsletter
  • Premium
  • Donate
  • Log In

© Skeptics Ltd.

wpDiscuz
You are going to send email to

Move Comment
Perfecty
Do you wish to receive notifications of new articles?
Notifications preferences