The Daily Sceptic’s Noah Carl, who is a critic of the West’s response to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, has posted a podcast debate on the issue between him and Konstantin Kisin, the Russian comedian, on his Substack account. This is how Noah tees it up:
Our discussion centres on the question, ‘Arming Ukraine and sanctioning Russia – is this the right approach?’ Konstantin takes the position that, broadly speaking, it is the right approach. I take the contrary position, arguing that this approach may have serious unintended consequences, and that the West ought to try a different strategy.
Worth listening in full.
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Twitter is a cess pool.
They banned Bosch Fawstin for his justified criticism of Islam and let the Muslims threaten him with rape and death.
Quoting the UK Government (the bit where they told us the “vaccine” wouldn’t stop you catching it or transmitting it, I asked so what’s the point) got me kicked off Twitter. I never went back.
You’re in good company – they banned Trump too.
I keep wondering why anyone is still there.
My 21st (yes, 21st) account is currently suspended pending an appeal over a satirical tweet opposing violence that the fun-sponges took offence to. Over a month now. It’s just a game at this point.
Nice people
Oh but they’re the kind ones – didn’t you know?
Twitter and most other big tech/social media and news and entertainment firms are now primarily political campaigning organisations operating under cover of being strictly commercial organisations and using their organisation’s ostensible purpose as a source of funding and access to power and influence. The commercial side is no longer the driver; their leaders are actively trying to reshape the world as they see it should be
This will eventually lead to crushing defeat for us or a civil war
It leads to fascism.
The future looks pretty bleak in that regard
Instead about wasting time moaning about Twitter, it’s time to get a second job to pay for the coming bills.
You’ll have to fight 800 former P&O workers for whatever’s going!
Unfortunately yes it does.
I wonder how much of what Twitter does or doesn’t do actually matters in the bigger scheme of things.
Many people use it but really, most do not.
I get that the few that do use may have disproportionate influence in society, because they are policy makers or the media or academics.
But if it just becomes an echo chamber for a small segment of society, how much does it actually end up transforming society?
I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, but I do wonder.
It does matter collectively along with all MSM that are pushing towards NWO.
As Klaus says; “You will own nothing and I will be happy”.
Along with Facebook, they have poisoned the minds of the young!
There will be no civil war in the UK unless people are suffering badly. Which is where it will probably end up because the majority of lazy fools can’t be bothered to think and question anymore. They will no doubt be surprised and blame Putin as they’ve been told to until they are starving.
I’m not sure how you can have a civil war within a monarchist regime. Would two of a late monarch’s sons raise separate armies and contest the same crown?
That aside, there is a war and it’s as if most of the side that’s being attacked is completely unaware and unarmed. But
Stephen and Matilda (r. 1135-1154)A civil war.
Don’t get the edit business.
Sometimes I can edit, and some posts say cannot edit.
Anyway, how about the wars of the Roses, that’s a monarchical civil war.
@joffy69 – There’s a time limit on editing posts.
Yes, there can be civil wars “within a kingdom”, and both your examples are of the kind I suggested, with different members of the royal family vying for the same crown.
If there’s a civil war in these islands in our lifetimes, do you see it as being of that kind?
In the past few centuries in Europe, if one side has been monarchist the other hasn’t (e.g. England). Perhaps if the non-monarchist side has won, it has taken them a while to abolish the monarchy formally (e.g. Italy), but that’s a quibble only. What you have NOT had is both sides in a civil war paying great respect to the monarchy, to an extent where they use the name of the monarchist regime as the name of the country.
There may possibly be a counterexample, perhaps where the leader of one side wanted to be a “regent”, but I can’t think of one.
@joffy69 – Yes, it can happen. As you say, it happened 900 years ago.
My point was that “@Think Harder” was using the acronym “UK” totally without thinking. If there’s a civil war in these islands in our lifetimes, it’s unlikely that both sides will be monarchist and respectful towards one and the same monarchist regime.
The poor downvoters probably haven’t a clue what I’m on about.
There’s a difference between Britain and France.
If you tell someone in France that the “Fifth Republic” is not the same as “France”, being merely the current political regime in France, they will look at you as if you are stupid for stating something so OBVIOUS.
If you tell someone in Britain that the “United Kingdom” is not the same as “Britain”, being merely the current political regime in Britain, they will look at you with their mouth open as if you are stupid for stating something that MUST BE WRONG, because that’s not what they ever heard from anyone above them in the social hierarchy.
Indeed they will not only think you’re stupid and your statement was wrong – they will probably also think you are dirty and a social danger.
It’s hard for people to face up to what cretins they have been, for obvious psychological reasons.
The acronym “UK” was rarely used even as recently as the early years of the current monarch’s reign, in the 1950s. For those to whom this fact is new, what they need to ask themselves is how come they didn’t already know.
But for the thoroughly modern indoctrinated bonehead, it has always been used. “It’s just the name of the country, innit?”
They’ve been blaming Thatcher for the last 30 odd years. It’s a refreshing change to have
GoldsteinPutin to hate instead.They are deranged adolescents with a megalomania power complex and need shutting down!
They all worked with state security and intelligence agencies from the very beginning.
Let’s hope it leads to more backlash, more users closing their accounts, and more users seeking alternatives with an apolitical stance.
Same with FB/Meta or whatever the fuck it’s called these days – I’d love to see their users significantly decrease especially whilst that amoral, slimy scumbag Nick Clegg is the PR man.
Does it matter? The Online Harms Bill has that covered. It will make it every platform’s responsibility to take away “harmful” content, like Prof. Heneghan’s scientific evidence.
The effect if not the purpose of the bill is to protect the business of the incumbents like Twitter, YouTube and FB.
Ultimately, they will have to create the great firewall of Britain because the sources will simply move out of legal reach.
For many people under 40, Facebook and Google are the internet.
To run online distribution networks for genuinely critical material is a tall order, at least where you are doing more than preaching to the converted.
Even many who are critical and reasonably sussed are too lazy to join, say, an email mailing list. But some will join Telegram groups until they’re blue in the face – soon getting burnt out, at least in the case of the least gullible, because of the nature of that medium. Or they will post to “Have Your Say” websites like this one here for a while. They like things “convenient”, as the adman says.
But resistance and war aren’t convenient.
Distribution will have to be mainly offline. Which isn’t exactly without difficulty either. For instance, many laser printers and photocopiers put tracker dots on their output nowadays. The “machine identification code” is printed several times on each piece of A4 paper.
“The effect if not the purpose of the bill is to protect the business of the incumbents like Twitter, YouTube and FB.” Maybe partly effect and partly purpose. The main purpose is to protect the woke/globalist revolution, nearing total global domination now at least in the rich world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0g07vJDFao
Twitter Employees Decide Who To Ban
Obviously, who else would do it? It’s a privately owned and operated network.
The snake has started to eat itself.
The idea of the “state” should be revised so as to cover Google and Twitter.
Alphabet is a private Alphabet agency.
It’s funny how the sceptics are the only side who produce government backed stats from government agencies to back up an argument. Whereas the covodians resort to petty name calling and can never disprove the sceptics argument. And it’s the statistic backed side of an argument that is deemed fake news and deleted. I wouldn’t bother with any of the social media platforms anymore. Been off them all for years now and it was the best decision I ever made.
Twas the same with Brexit. I got called a lot of nasty names by friends and relatives; usually the name-calling peaked when I asked them to produce evidence for their claims.
If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.
John Stuart Mill.
John Stuart Mill (1806-1873), in Principles of Political Economy
with some of their Applications to Social Philosophy, 1848.
found in Book V, Chapter II: On the General Principles of Taxation
Why this excrement-laden jakes is allowed to exist is beyond me. It’s a money machine for some, but a home or asylum for “sad” people. The abuse, censorship and warped thinking alone, should be enough to condemn it, but the spelling and grammar are a crime against language.
The people who keep using it are the ones who breathe life into the golem.
Here’s the video. Are you sitting comfortably?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIw09Tr2Ijg
I don’t understand why people so desperately cling to Twitter?
GETTR is a far far better social media website than Twitter.
Just dump all useless social media as it is antisocial
Yes – that’s exactly what it is: antisocial.
Nowadays you can be sitting in a room with four other people and they’re all picking their handheld computer terminals (“phones”) reading and posting sh*te on the “internet”, not intermittently but constantly. I view this disgustingly antisocial activity as if they were picking their noses for hours on end – or sniffing glue.
Perhaps I will start calling smartphones “glue bags”.
Iphone Brainwashed!
GETTR has already banned people for ideological reasons. It has no real commitment to free speech, runs on Silicone Valley servers, and as soon as its user base plateaus, it will rapidly become Twatter 3.0, as Parler has already become 2.0.
The only real alternative is Gab, although Andrew Torba has issues of his own.
The handful of mentally-ill freaks can only have as much power as they do because they have the support of the people behind all of the other attacks on on our civilisation over the last century or so.
Never been on Twitter, its not one of life’s necessities
I’m the same, never touched it!
Simple, delete Twitter. I cannot understand its use anyway
It needs closing down!
Shun Twitter and get onto GETTR.
No brainer.
GETTR will go the same way as Parler as soon as its user-base plateaus. Neither have any real commitment to free speech – it’s just lip service.
Ok, so Twitter is a politically motivated media organisation with an agenda. That much seems obvious.
People developed an expectation that it was a platform for free speech because maybe it was initially. But it isn’t.
Now what?
How is it different to The Sun in the 90s that seemingly had the power to swing elections?
Back then there wasn’t anywhere I could go and post my thoughts and ideas to be seen potentially by thousands or millions. So I’m sort of back where I was 30 years ago in that respect. (Well, i always was because I never used Twitter and in any case, I think it creates the illusion that anyone can have a voice that projects widely, when in fact as I understand it it’s bloody hard to get anyone to actually pay attention to what you have to say.)
In any case, how much does it matter?
Is it just a case of accepting that it’s not a free speech platform and moving on?
The Sun was openly partisan and was/is a newspaper not a communication platform. There were other newspapers with differing political views. Where are the legacy media giants, social media platforms with mass reach, global corporations, entertainment firms whose leadership are actively on the political right and not the left? There are none, I would say. That’s the difference.
Twitter, Fascist book and google, are acting like the post office opening your mail, reading your messages, making huge amounts of money by stealing their content and then deciding whether they will deliver them based on your politics.
Good analogy…..those who prize their privacy steer well clear.
“In any case, how much does it matter?”
“How is it different to The Sun in the 90s that seemingly had the power to swing elections?”
I think you’ve answered your own question. Unless you consider the outcome of elections unimportant! Ok they’re not important if all sides are pursuing the same NWO objective.
There’s no reason why Twitter should delete something just because it’s bad poetry and of an embarrassingly poor taste. Either this is legally actionable – in my opinion, this should certainly not be the case – which is for a court to determine. Or it ought to be allowed.
Everybody who wants censorships always wants to censor only the bad guys.
The problem with censorship is who decides who the “bad guys” are
That was the gist of my statement: Free speech is important but it’s only proper speech if it suits me is the exact standpoint (or meta-standpoint) of the woke brigade, just for their idea of suits me.
Quoting myself
: If the only thing which sets us apart from our opponents is what we believe to be wrong or right, then, we have a serious problem, because we could all be mistaken.
There should be legal restrictions on spreading f*cked-up views such as that what sex you are is a choice, and that a person with two b*lls can be a “woman”.
Considering that humans are sexually reproducing mammals, they have biologically determined sexes. Hence, somebody who claims otherwise isn’t telling the truth. It may seem tempting to prohibit expression of such lies, but that’s simply unworkable in practice.
Before this could be done, some sort of authority responsible for truth would need to be created. An authority responsible for truth did prosecute Galileo in the past and this was certainly done people by who were honestly convinced that the population must to be protected from outrageous falsehoods like the ones Galileo proclaimed. Even when true and false can be defined, we can never really be certain that what we hold to be true today will still make sense tomorrow. Then, there’s an extremely large space where we don’t even claim to know this. Different subject matter experts have different opinions because they interpret facts in different ways and nobody knows for certain which interpretation is the correct one.
Assuming these difficulties could be overcome, such an institution would provide endless opportunities for abuse by politically motivated entities and it would eventually end up becoming like the BBC (or – even worse – the German public broadcasters who are directly under control of unelected party and NGO parliaments supposed to repesent society).
Because of this, it’s better to avoid censorship altogether.
We, I mean you as I don’t frequent Twitter or any mainstream echo chambers anymore, should not complain and let them get more and more extreme so that ordinary people start to notice and leave them. Leave the likes of Twitter to the idiots, they’re made for each other.
Well, then you go to a non-mainstream echo chamber. Twitter has massive reach, if you want to convince Joe Normal of something, which you might well want to do (for example, lockdowns are bad). You really need to legally prevent mass communication platforms from censoring anything. Newspapers and even TV channels are publishers and can have opinions, Twitter etc are different animals.
Trouble is…The idiots are the majority, and you know what that means in a Dictamocracy.
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The media is becoming more and more obviously a total farce.
That obviousness is probably what’s needed now to bring about change, aka a complete reversal.
Twitter needs closing down as a danger to society and an enemy of truth! Its wealth should be confiscated and distributed to the hungry.
I would like to see Twitter’s directors jailed for life, Twitter destroyed, and attempting to set up something similar to be criminalised. The culture needs to be de-Twitterified by force.
But never mind a private company’s rules. Making death threats against people is illegal.
So I went and found the lyrics. And although they are psycho and they contain very nasty abuse of J K Rowling, they don’t actually contain any death threats.
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-conduct-policy
You’ll be astonished to find that they don’t define “protected category”, but apparently it doesn’t include sane women.
LGBT, Extinction Rebellion (and their many subgroups), BLM, covid, Ukraine war, etc, are all funded and organised to bring about the revolution.
Professor Carl Heneghan had the audacity to challenge the covid narrative on a NWO website and so he gets cancelled.
Those threatening to kill J.K. Rowling are serving a purpose to intimidate into silence anyone who does not conform, therefore another method of censorship.
It wouldn’t surprise me if some of those threatening Rowling actually work for the 77th Brigade.
I think we’ve seen peak twitter.
Twitter is the literal definition of what used to be called the Lügenpresse, openly banning highly-credentialed scientists while simultaneously promoting debauchery and violence. When the regime changes, and change is coming like a freight train, Twitter’s end will be brutal.
Get off twitter!
Stop pretending it is a balanced public square, it isn’t.
Leave it to the cesspool far left that it caters to. If everyone else moves then it will be clear when the Twitter mob move also. Shame them.
The Boycott is a good tool. I never have and never will use Twitter. If all refused to use it then it would soon become irrelevant.
Only twats use twitter
Poor twitter caught between a rock and a hard space. Bought and paid for, they must continue to censor anyone they are told to censor. Meanwhile vile tweets continue to be printed. That’s the way it is folks. You always have the choice to delete twitter.
Be the change you want to see, walk. Brand it a “fake platform” and use an alternative.
Surely everyone knows now that science goes like this; an idea is officially adopted by the science authorities, without any need for proof or stuff like that, just that it sounds cool, and then it is an offence to disagree. Blasphemy to suggest an alternative, that you can prove, like reality.
Hitler’s Reichmaster for Propaganda Dr Joseph Goebbels must be very proud that Twitter, Facebook, Youtube & Google all owned by American billionaires are copying his methods of controlling the narrative by censorship & cancelling people who don’t follow their narrative. Their only regret, unlike Joseph, they can’t permanently erase them. .
I have never used Twitter and am constantly amazed that anybody does. It seems to be an outlet for the most crazed, dysfunctional individuals in society who are not happy unless they’ve caused misery and fear to people they don’t even know.
Do yourselvea a favour – get off it – there’s a real and properly functional life out there beyond that rats’ paradise.
In the real World these freaks creep along the wall, terrified of real life, because they do not live one.