We’re publishing a guest post by Adrian Brown, a former Royal Australian Air Force Legal Officer, about whether it’s reasonable to expect Russia to be constrained by moral norms, particularly in light of the failure of Britain and the United States to always observe those norms themselves when the national interest is at stake.
If you’re anything like me, the sooner you forget the sight of Ukraine asking the UN Security Council, chaired by Russia with its power of veto, to vote for a motion demanding that Russia stop its invasion and withdraw its troops, the better. The UN reported that several of its members described Russia’s veto as “inevitable but deplorable”. It’s hard to imagine anything more enervating.
Russia is in clear breach of Article 2(4) of the UN Charter. Although the ICC has opened a war crimes investigation, Russia has withdrawn from the underlying treaty and is not subject to its jurisdiction. Before you rush to judgement, the United States has withdrawn too. Russia’s indifference to international law is best illustrated by its appeal to Article 51 of the UN Charter which deals with the right to self-defence. Token at best, mockery at worst. We all know that, without an independent enforcement mechanism, treaties are not like contracts in a rule-of-law based jurisdiction, and international law more generally contains a strong voluntary element.
We often hear experts say that Russia only understands hard power. But before we give up on international law, norms, and other constraints, it’s worth asking whether there is any basis for believing that a state is constrained by moral standards and, to the extent that the West has breached those standards itself, we can demand that Russia complies with them.
The sceptical analysis of Russia’s invasion restates the doctrine that foreign policy should only be concerned with a state’s interests and not with morality. It often suggests that Russia’s interests include ensuring that Ukraine does not join NATO. The West’s response to the invasion, driven in part by moral outrage, is naïve, misguided and even irresponsible. Instead, Western states should have dispassionately examined whether confronting Russia served their interests. If it did not, they should have looked the other way.
The underlying principle is not, however, quite what it seems. In the academic and policy discussions, the qualifying phrase ‘legitimate interests’ is often used, rather than interests. Morality is smuggled in through the word ‘legitimate’ which requires a value judgement. We hear echoes of this in the so-called Laws of Armed Conflict, codified in the Geneva Convention, with their focus on limiting the use of lethal force to military targets, such as combatants and weapons systems, and proportionality.
More significantly, even if a state wishes to pursue its interests without reference to legitimacy or morality, it is constrained by the animating morality of its people. There are well established philosophical and political theories for this proposition, but it might be simpler to just look at states’ real-world behaviour for evidence of it.
During the two Gulf wars, we saw regular briefings by the United States, including detailed information about target selection accompanied by video footage of smart bombs arrowing into their targets. This was because, from Vietnam onward, the West understood that it was constrained by public opinion driven, at least in part, by moral imperatives. It is not just the West that is vulnerable to public opinion. You might ask yourself why President Putin bothered to create his outlandish narrative about liberating Ukrainians from an oppressive regime controlled by drug-taking Nazis – and why he backed it up with criminal laws intended to prevent the domestic and foreign media, and Russian citizens via social media, presenting evidence that contradicts this narrative. This arch-realist knows that he, too, is constrained by public opinion.
In Britain, people may point to the Stop the War rallies before the second Gulf war, and the continuing and somewhat hysterical fixation on Tony Blair’s alleged misconduct, to demonstrate that there were no moral constraints on the British state. At the time, however, public opinion favoured the war. The eventual backlash in public opinion then drove Ed Miliband’s successful opposition to military intervention in Syria. And regardless, a state may ignore moral constraints in the same way an individual might. In neither case should we conclude that moral constraints don’t exist.
There is, of course, a huge overlap between a state’s legitimate interests and morality. It is the first duty of a state to provide for the protection, health, and prosperity of its people. There will be times when a foreign policy decision ostensibly based on moral imperatives also serves a state’s interests. And any mature moral outlook must afford other peoples the right to choose their own form and style of government – to live and let live.
As we watch Russia’s invasion progress and see clear evidence of women and children being targeted and killed as they try to evacuate charred residential suburbs, we can say with certainty that Russia has far exceeded its legitimate interests and is in breach of international law and generally accepted moral standards. Does this matter? Yes it does. It matters because ultimately the Russian people will decide how long President Putin remains in power and, as he has proven by his own conduct, the Russian people are more likely to act if they are morally outraged. Or to put it more practically, they are less likely to put up with soldiers being killed and economic sanctions when they don’t believe in the cause.
It also matters because, while the moral element in foreign affairs is, for very good reason, primarily a constraining force, it can also be an effective call to action. The moral outrage that Russia’s invasion has provoked has been a galvanising and unifying force among the nations of the world. It is the near universality of the response that provides its practical and moral force. It is also why otherwise cool and clear-eyed analysis of trivial actions, like Disney deciding not to distribute films in Russia, misses the point.
The sceptical analysis of this situation rightly asks whether the West can condemn and, by extension, confront Russia because Western countries have themselves engaged in direct and indirect action to overthrow the governments of sovereign states. This idea is particularly pertinent if you believe that the United States covertly supported, and potentially even helped foment, the Maidan revolution in 2014.
You can see the attraction of this position. It has a veneer of fairness, balance, and impartiality. It is, however, merely splashing about in the shallow end of the political and moral pool.
Firstly, it assumes a moral equivalence between the Russian invasion of Ukraine and, for example, the Gulf wars or the United States’ alleged actions in Ukraine. I’m not sure this bears much analysis, but neither time nor space permit a detailed examination here. Secondly, no matter how squeamish you are about these things, you can still proceed on the basis that the wrongs of the past can be acknowledged while the wrongs of the present are challenged. To suggest otherwise strains credibility.
More importantly, there is a risk that this position could be used, wittingly or unwittingly, to disguise the frightening consequences of a multi-polar world in which, below the surface chop, powerful opposing currents flow. Freedom and self-determination, the rights and dignity of the individual, limits on the use of coercion and state sponsored violence are being contested. Go ahead and criticise the West when you think it justified – that is your right and perhaps even duty. But that is very different to insisting that the West disqualifies itself from the greater struggle and simply concedes these fundamental human principles on behalf of itself and the people of the world.
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So Javid’s an arsehole as well.
Is there anyone at cabinet/leadership level who is not an utter arse on covid?
Can we ask the Yanks if we can borrow Ron DeSantis for a while?
We need to clone him
Well there was, But Frost has resigned of course!
I just want a simple list of what’s wrong – without technical detail and without what some people would regard as conspiracy theories. I realise that some of these numbered points cover more than one thing:
1. Asymptomatic transmission isn’t a thing
2. Absence of informed consent
3. Average age of death – 82 yrs
4. Children don’t die of covid
5. Negative vaccine efficacy – you’re more likely to catch it
6. Lockdowns – mental health, educational and developmental damage, domestic abuse
7. Lockdowns – cases have begun to fall before lockdowns implemented
8. Lockdowns – what about countries without them
9. Lockdowns – economic damage
10. Civil liberties – body autonomy; privacy; free unless breaking the law
11. Civil liberties – suppression of free speech and dissent
12. Following the science
13. Vaccine nomenclature
14. Vaccine development – trials; timetable; safety and efficacy data
15. Vaccine efficacy – declining over time; variants
16. Vaccine safety
17. Vaccine – follow the money; immunity for pharmaceutical companies
18. Vaccine passports – you can only travel / enter this place if you’ve had the vaccine
19. Vaccine mandates – you are required to have this vaccine in order to keep your job / not be subject to fines or incarceration
20. Measuring ‘cases’ rather than people who are ill; relying on absolute number of cases rather than ill people (or even infected people) per thousand tests
21. Test accuracy – dubious
22. Prevention and early treatment: vit D, vit C, zinc; ivermectin; hydroxychloroquine
23. UK: 450 cancer deaths per day; 460 heart-deaths per day
24. Masks don’t work
25. Civil society – apartheid / scapegoating
Or …
I just want a simple list of what’s wrong – without technical detail and without what some people would regard as conspiracy theories. No more than 20 words per point and each one either undisputed or relatively easy to demonstrate. I realise that some of these numbered points cover more than one thing:
1. Asymptomatic transmission isn’t a thing
2. Absence of informed consent
3. Average age of death – 82 yrs
4. Excess deaths – quantitatively not beyond relatively common ranges
5. Children don’t die of covid
6. Negative vaccine efficacy – you’re more likely to catch it and transmit it if you’re three months post-vaccine than if you’re unvaccinated
7. Lockdowns – mental health, educational and developmental damage, domestic abuse
8. Lockdowns – cases have begun to fall before lockdowns implemented
9. Lockdowns – what about countries without them
10. Lockdowns – economic damage
11. Lockdowns – undiagnosed and untreated illnesses
12. Lockdowns and vaccines – no cost/benefit analysis conducted
13. Civil liberties – body autonomy; privacy; free unless breaking the law
14. Civil liberties – suppression of free speech and dissent
15. Following the science – refusal to welcome critical enquiry
16. Changing narratives, moving goalposts
17. Vaccine nomenclature
18. Vaccine development – trials; timetable; safety and efficacy data
19. Vaccine efficacy – declining over time; variants
20. Vaccine safety – aargh; abandonment of precautionary principle
21. Vaccine – follow the money; immunity for pharmaceutical companies
22. Vaccine passports – you can only travel / enter this place if you’ve had the
vaccine
23. Vaccine mandates – you are required to have this vaccine in order to keep your job / not be subject to fines or incarceration
24. Measuring ‘cases’ rather than people who are ill; relying on absolute number of cases rather than ill people (or even infected people) per thousand tests
25. Test accuracy – dubious
26. Prevention and early treatment: vit D, vit C, zinc; ivermectin; hydroxychloroquine
27. Lack of proportion: UK: 450 cancer deaths per day; 460 heart-deaths per day
28. Masks don’t work
29. Civil society – apartheid / scapegoating
30. Misleading information: dying “with” covid rather than “from”; counted as “unvaccinated” for 14 days after receiving vaccine; numbers in hospital / ICU who are vaccinated / unvaccinated
31. Superiority of natural immunity in terms of efficacy, durability, and range
“without what some people would regard as conspiracy theories.”
How can I paint a house without paint?
Biontech vax developer and their staff are unvaccinated on “safety grounds”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsiOJvUb184 (interview with German MSM TV, in German) – doesn’t that say everything?
Been removed by the uploader…
Same fake news interview from December 2020, I guess?
The UK “Elite” are not vaccinated either.
Would you produce a comprehensive summary for us to use as a pamphlet/aide-memoire?
You can self-publish booklets/major treatises on http://www.lulu.com.
I’m collating my blog-posts, poetry, and occasional outbursts for pseudonymous booklets for distribution.
26 – rigged vitamin D trials for the government: completely different to what the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service (representing nutritional doctors) recommended.
Also – contravention of accepted civilised ethical standards following Nuremberg etc.
You missed Natural Immunity far superior, known to last at least a year possibly longer but time needs to pass to have evidence. But … it generally lasts many years as per SARS-1
“1. Asymptomatic transmission isn’t a thing”
It is for the already vaxxed…
https://palexander.substack.com/p/33-studies-that-show-that-the-vaccine
“5) From Wisconsin, Riemersma et al. reported that vaccinated individuals who get infected with the Delta variant can transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. They found an elevated viral load in the unvaccinated and vaccinated symptomatic persons (68% and 69% respectively, 158/232 and 156/225). Moreover, in the asymptomatic persons, they uncovered elevated viral loads (29% and 82% respectively) in the unvaccinated and the vaccinated respectively. This suggests that the vaccinated can be infected, harbor, cultivate, and transmit the virus readily and unknowingly.”
“9) Reporting on a nosocomial hospital outbreak in Finland, Hetemäli et al. observed that “both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections were found among vaccinated health care workers, and secondary transmission occurred from those with symptomatic infections despite use of personal protective equipment.” “
Any number of other studies agree… post following with a link to my mediafire cache of Covid medical papers and articles, started last February
Last two words are not needed.
I’m a bit surprised that you express surprise – his track record is entirely consistent in the arsehole stakes.
You might (reasonably) have inferred surprise. I did not express it directly, or intend it.
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He channels his ‘Dr. Evil’ quite convincingly.
He always reminds me of one of those little green men thing in the childrens toy dispenser in Toy story
You mean you didn’t know that ?
No …possibly with the exception of Lord Frost, who can no longer stomach this stuff.
You meant to say; “Is there anyone at cabinet/leadership level who is not an utter arse
on covid?”No there isn’t because they are not leaders, they are power mad bureaucrats. Maybe let Frost off.
No
He’s a shameless liar too. They’re obviously failing to reach the number of deaths needed to make their ‘Great Reset’ work.
Well according to this there’s more of us than he’s letting on, UK Government report admits there are 23.5 Million people in England who have NOT had a single dose of a Covid-19 Vaccine
The thing damaging society, isn’t the unvaccinated, or even covid, it is politicians, mostly TY’s eton buddy Bozo depifffel johson.
The unvaccinated are damaging their agenda!
TY didn’t go to Eton.
And with 14 million under 18s, this is around 10 million adults, or 1 in 5.
Encouraging news on “vaccine” takeup – seems only 32.4m out of 47.7m eligible (over 12) in England were cowardly or gullible enough to take the experimental novel treatment, and there has been significant dropoff for the second jab and, especially, for the “booster” nonsense.
That means fewer long term medical complications from the novel treatments to deal with, and suggests the overall population are not quite as cowardly/gullible as I’d feared.
And hopefully, as more and more people see that the treatment they were endlessly propagandised about neither solved the supposed problems nor came without costs, there will be a general loss of credibility for health “experts” touting pharma products.
I had the first two but never again. I Had pain in my neck so bad I couldn’t get out of bed for three days and then for 2 months after I had random shooting pains in my legs and I still have unexplained chest pain. I was vaccinated 6 months ago
Once bitten, twice shy…
Exactly. I knew when the astrazenica needle came out I was in for trouble
Annoyingly I have all those and no jabs.
Sitting for 2 years has had a terrible effect on my health it would seem.
You’re not wrong! Many little health niggles have cropped up for me over the months (but still no colds or flu!) I put a lot of it down to stress. Look after your physical and mental health everyone!
It’s hard not to get stressed when so much government interference is affecting people so severely. Whilst some have done well cash wise no one has escaped the effect on their daily life and for some it has been too much to bare and they have taken their own life.
This is no accidental ‘side -effect’ it is part of the plan!
Lockdowns are in part designed to make people insecure isolated frightened and ill!
me too is the stress! glad to find out so many like me and didnt fall for it and so glad too so many wont get booster and wish hadnt got any
You know what that is exactly what I was thinking and as my sample size is one I can’t be sure of anything 100%
The realistic conclusion regarding the injections is that we, the non injected, are the ones saving rNHS.
Still the Media and the Cabinet pump out their vile lies and Covid hysteria!
GBNews: ONS stats man calls out Nadine Doris for totally misrepresenting the number of un-vaccinated in hospitals to stir up anti the un-vaccinated hysteria.
mRNA inventor Robert Malone says stop the vaccine roll out now!
A third of the population! This is what threatens them.
Plus millions more who have only had one dose – many having experienced severe adverse reactions and millions more having had two and who will refuse the booster .
Surely people must realise that the whole purpose of the Global Covid Scam is to force mass vaccination of the planet with Gene Therapy mRNA in accordance with Gates’ vaccination Master Plan?
Is this even a secret?
If true that is great news!
The irony – one of a clutch doing the most damage to society, certainly in our lifetimes.
And note how the narrative has adjusted – first you were selfish because you could infect other people – now you are selfish because you could take a hospital bed.
Sportspeople = selfish. Fat people = selfish. Smokers and drinkers = selfish. Drivers = selfish. Anyone who might get ill of anything = selfish. Being alive = selfish.
Voting = politicians
How are sports people selfish?
They’re not. But there are a lot of rugby/horseriding/skiing injuries etc.
I was extremely selfish 12 years ago when I was walking my dog and slipped on ice and broke my arm. I feel so guilty now, I was overwhelming the NHS. If I’d just stayed at home it wouldn’t have happened.
My niece, aged three, fell out of bed and broke her leg, the selfish little bitch.
Or not owned a dog
Everyone has a dog since covid. At least that is how it seems
Motorcyclists, anyone with an STD,
Or motorcyclists with an STD (who should be ashamed of themselves).
This one had us rolling around
Surely that’s what the helmet protects against?
People who take the vaccines and, as a result end up occupying a hospital bed, are selfish.
So my cousins husband, a fit thirty something who is now blind and in a wheelchair as a result of the vaccine must be really selfish
A mountain of ever-changing BS and lies!
We see now why Johnson was chosen to front this Evil Cabal !
Yet another reason not to get my booster.
My doctor contacted me about booking my booster and just to shut them up I let them book it but didn’t go. They have rung me twice this weekend which surely must be a miracle for a doctor’s surgery in 2020!
Yesterday I got a letter and an email telling me I need to get my second and third jabs. I had one AZ, never again, am still suffering the consequences 9 months on. Amazing they can’t arrange a prescription, give me my blood test results or arrange anything else promptly but can harass me about jabs.
NHSS now no longer interested in your ‘health’ – just acting as Globalist Covid Jab Agents
If they’re calling from 2020 it is, indeed, a miracle. Time travel is real!
Wow it’s more magical than I ever imagined
Call was from the NHS’s Delorean ambulance.
Great Scott!
I have had about a dozen letters about boosters and flu jabs. I have already told them I have not having the flu, but that doesn’t stop them badgering me.
Get yourself an answerphone – you can then monitor your incoming calls – I wouldn’t be without one now.
I got a text from my GP surgery earlier in the week ago inviting me to book a ‘booster’. Presumably they don’t bother to check their records or they’d have seen that I have refused all their previous ‘offers’ and asked them not to contact me again (which, unlike NHS England, they have done until now).
Sent them a message via their online contact system reiterating that I am not interested in the Clotshots and please don’t contact me about it again. A few days later I received another text inviting me to book a ‘booster’. FFS!
Wife and I had lots of texts and letter invites for the jabs. All ignored. Eventually went quiet for a while, until we then were informed that we were eligible for vax cert (iirc) and booster!
Let’s not forget this pestering is all done using taxpayers’ (= your) money.
The £30 they get per jab is our money too!
Fifteen quid actually.
Instead of ignoring them, why not ask them some question, but make the questions a kind of “word salad” so the reader has difficulty understanding them? Would probably be time consuming for them. Just an idea
Or even 2021.
They don’t get their payment unless you get the jab.
Just think – they could have been treating one of their long suffering patients who needs urgent attention instead of touting for their £30 per Covid jab
but they are NHS heroes of course.
Amazing how much a GP will risk your health to get 30 quid of taxpayer’s money.
They’re showing their desperation now. Hold the line people. When slander becomes the tool of the abuser, the debate is lost!
“The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said;
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head—
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.”
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Leaving aside his snide and unwarranted comment about the unvaccinated, what about the catastrophic damage this government has caused to society through its hideous lockdown strategies? And we thought that hand on cock was bad!
Well they need a scapegoat.
And the YouGov poll showing no appetite for lockdowns means they need to direct public anger away from them and towards someone else. So it’s the healthy, I mean the unjabbed.
Deep down they envy us.
Yes, I do believe there is an element of envy among some vaxxed. Some people were and are still happy to be vaxxed, so good for them. Some people were reluctant and did it for a variety of reasons, travel, good citizen, ‘freedom’. Of the latter group, some will say they’re done and join us, but some will be petulant and pissed off with themselves, but rather than have it out with themselves for being pushed into doing something they didn’t really want to do, they find it easier to blame those of us who stood our ground.
I had AZ for the first two in the naive trust that it was for the public good. I have refused the many attempts to have the booster and wish that I had not been suckered into the first two. Kipling’s “.. If you can keep your head while all around you are losing theirs…” seems particularly appropriate.
Same here!
Another reason you have missed comes under the heading ‘domestic harmony’ or ‘domestic harassment’. Living in a divided household with a totally brainwashed BBC-viewing Daily Mail reading partner is draining
Living in a divided household with a totally brainwashed BBC-viewing Daily Mail reading partner is draining
It certainly is. Keep the faith.
hey I read the Daily mail. I embrace its insanely schizophrenic coverage, and the rising fury of the comments pages.
It’s a good pulse check on where broader society is at: totally mental.
That must be very difficult for you – thank goodness I don’t have that problem because I don’t know how that would pan out!
He, along with all politicians across the western world, know full well the catastropic damage they have inflicted, which is why they need a scapegoat, the unvaxxed.
Is there no human rights lawyer anywhere with the cajones to go after these scum for hate speech, as that is most certainly what it is. Particularly the heinous implying that some people are more deserving of treatment than others. I have always believed that treatment should be based on medical need, not some individual’s views of who is morally deserving.
Why doesn’t everyone contact Bromsgrove Police and report Javid for Hate Crime?
My thoughts, exactly.
It’s the pot calling this kettle black.
I like that! Demonstrators brewed up a storm in London yesterday!
Not according to the latest data from Denmark.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/stunning-covid-data-from-denmark?r=128a08&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
I’ve had my doubts about the wisdom of allowing a Muslim in the cabinet for a long while, and Javid has confirmed my prejudice against this. He is another lockdown fascist, along with Whitty and SAGE.
So you also have doubts about white Christians being in the cabinet then?
Squire Western never mentioned race, so it’s a bit odd that you use the phrase ‘white Christian’. FYI the majority demographic of the Anglican Church is black and female in her mid-thirties. Muslims can be any colour, though reading the most respected hadith, it should be noted that the prophet of Islam is described as being white and the owner of black slaves. I’m not trying to start a thread on another topic, but the sooner we stop equating the ‘religion of peace’ with ethnicity the better.
It’s not odd.
He states that Jabbit’s stance on Covid justifies his own prejudice against Muslims being in the cabinet. I fail to see any link whatsoever…unless you’d care to explain?
He then goes on to mention Whitty and SAGE sharing the same views. I assume Whitty and SAGE are mostly white Christians so I was asking for clarity, based on his own logic, that he also has doubts about the wisdom of allowing white Christians in the cabinet.
I could equally have said “middle class academics” as it was designed to highlight the ludicrousness of the comment, not to get bogged down in pedantic tittle tattle about what is classed as race, religion…yawn.
No, you conflated religious affiliation with race. Squire Western is entitled to view Islam as incompatible with Western liberal democracy and you could debate him on that. What you can’t do is imply a racist motive to his criticism. Islam is an ideology not a racial characteristic and it is not pedantic to point that out. So what is the Islamic position on democracy? Here’s a link to an Islamic web-site which addresses that very question. In view of the answer given, I would say that Squire Western’s observation is worth debating. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/98134/concept-of-democracy-in-islam
Oh dear.
Read his comment again and this time take your hobby horse out of the equation.
You have all the characteristics of a politician: you misrepresent what someone else says and attack a view they have never advanced (straw-manning); then when it’s pointed out to you, you double down on that attack and compound it by having a go at the person who pointed out your attempt to strawman. I have reread Squire Western’s comment and I still fail to see a single reference to race. Certainly he’s critical of Islam, so I guess it’s that which bothers you, but rather than mount a defence of Islam, which you know will be as solid as the Newcastle United back four, you play the racist card. I don’t know Squire Western or his views on race because to date he hasn’t (to my knowledge) expressed them. And yes, facts are my hobby horse, so I think I’ll retain them, but thanks for the suggestion.
And you have all the characteristics of a pedant.
Across Europe and the Americas, the “leaders” and “experts” imposing Covid-related lunacy are distinctly non-Muslim and, in most cases, white Christians.
We then have a Muslim expressing the same views, but according to the poster, this is because, and only because, he is Muslim.
If you cannot see both the divisiveness and utter lack of logic in this argument then there’s no helping you.
On 31 August 2021, Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world reported that it had given 100,000,000 ‘vaccine’ doses, so the drug pushers aren’t exclusively white or Christian are they? And from my experience I would suggest Christians in Europe are in the minority.
But in any case, why ‘white’ Christians? Squire Western never referred to Javid’s skin colour – his reservation, from what I read, referred to Javid’s religious affiliation which (and this is supported by the Islamic web site I directed you to) does not view democracy as Islamic. I guess you think that’s pedantic – I rather think its something that needs to be addressed. People opposed to democracy, whatever their colour, ought not to be in Government, don’t you agree?
Indonesia is not in Europe or the Americas and at no point did I say “exclusively”.
As for your last comment, yes I agree, but neither you or the OP have clarified why Jabbit’s religion has anything to do with his Covid-lunacy, especially as the whole narrative is being driven by a non-Muslim demographic.
Oh thanks for the geography lesson, though why you want to exclude the largest Muslim country in the world in your defence of Islam is beyond me.
Perhaps this will help, though you ought to have read it if you followed the link I provided: “Democracy is a system that is contrary to Islam, because it gives the power of legislation to the people or to those who represent them (such as members of Parliament).”
Dear oh dear.
Indonesia is a democracy. Hardcore Islamist parties are not very well supported either. Any other great arguments?
Indonesia is a multi-ethnic Muslim majority country that has drifted in and out of democracy, but if you disagree and wish to argue that it is a bastion of uninterrupted liberal democracy, go ahead, make my day. I do admire your dogged attempt to steer this discussion away from the fact that you have conflated Islam with ethnicity, though. In that you have much in common with Boris Johnson and his very successful attempt (so it seems) to move the public’s attention away from the Downing Street Christmas Party. Why don’t you just admit that in your rush to virtue signal, you conflated religion with race (well they both begin with ‘r’)?
a) It was you that brought up Indonesia and even when I tried to steer away from it, you said it was strange that I would want to do that
b) It was you that thinks a single web link gives you the right to represent the views of nearly 2 billion people
c) It was you, via this web link, that tried to claim democracy is anathema to Muslims, even though the country you’d referred to is in fact a democracy
d) “bastion of uninterrupted liberal democracy” – this is the height of silliness amongst the many. I didn’t argue that, I correctly pointed out that if a country is 90% Muslim and they’re apparently taught that democracy is anti-Islamic, then they wouldn’t even have the pretence of democracy
It seems that your main issue is the word “white” which suggests that you’re actually just the opposite side of the same coin as the wokesters – obsessed with identity politics, pedantry and divisiveness.
Nah – the only religion any of them follow is the Church of self-interest!
That’s the top rated comment right there!
To anyone new to The Daily Sceptic, this racist comment is NOT typical of the comments made here!!
“To anyone new to The Daily Sceptic, this racist comment is NOT typical of the comments made here!!”
How is it “racist”?
If you want to smear him, then surely “islamophobe” would be the smear term applicable here?
If it is your position that it is never acceptable to imply that religious beliefs might affect behaviour, would you expect abortion advocates to have to refrain from opposing Catholic politicians for fear of being”racist”?
Though admittedly I’m not sure I see how muslim beliefs could be relevant to covid lunacy – perhaps if one views them as inherently more authoritarian?
What ‘race’ is Islam?
There are two others in there too of note, the worst Chancellor since Gordon Brown who left three million self-employed out of work with no aid, and a home secretary who herself benefited from immigration who has done nothing to stop migrants flocking to the land of milk and honey.
One might wonder where their loyalties truly lie?
Nah, it’s just he’s an evil, lying, power-grabbing little shit, like the rest of them, There’s an absolute equality of wickedness.
This comment is plainly based on spurious assumptions given that it is a well known fact that injection take up is poor in the Muslim demographic.
Downticks from the ‘Refugees Welcome’ brigade, who, strangely, never have room in their own house to put one up.
Much like the wealthy “socialists” who somehow never see any need to contribute the money they spend on luxuries for themselves to help address the supposedly morally vital causes they want taxes increased to pay for.
Hypocrites, basically.
Hi. Please could you explain how Javid has confirmed you prejudice about having a Muslim in the cabinet? I’m not sure I can quite see how his religion comes into it.
Please see my reply to Draper233.
Nope, you’ve still not clarified why his religion has anything to do with it, especially given the fact that the poster compares Jabbit’s Covid stance as being the same as Whitty and SAGE who, unless they’re very good at hiding it, are distinctly non-Muslim.
Whitty and Sage are distinctly undemocratic, so they each have something in common with Islam. And both (see the leaked SAGE documents from 2020), like the prophet of Islam, (see the Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 2977) believe they will be victorious with terror. Did you actually look at the link I provided? SW is suggesting that because SJ is a Muslim, he too will view democracy as unIslamic. It’s got bugger all to do with the man’s colour. You seem somewhat ignorant of what Islam actually teaches, much like your typical woke SJW.
As per my answer above, Indonesia is a democracy. Hardcore Islamist parties are not very well supported either. So maybe you’re the one that is ignorant?
So we’re cutting and pasting now are we? OK. Indonesia is a multi-ethnic Muslim majority country that has drifted in and out of democracy, but if you disagree and wish to argue that it is a bastion of uninterrupted liberal democracy, go ahead, make my day. I do admire your dogged attempt to steer this discussion away from the fact that you have conflated Islam with ethnicity, though. In that you have much in common with Boris Johnson and his very successful attempt (so it seems) to move the public’s attention away from the Downing Street Christmas Party. Why don’t you just admit that in your rush to virtue signal, you conflated religion with race (well they both begin with ‘r’)?
None the wiser, sorry. Am I missing something?
Yes, but I can’t be arsed explaining it any more.
I think it shows that demons can possess people of any religion. And of no religion.
A quick look at the latest UKHSA data confirms he is lying out of his disgusting face again about hospitalisations.
Stop spending tens of millions everyday testing healthy people and the NHS will be just fine.
Yes, but if the testing stops the “plandemic” ends.
Whoops….
Yes, but if the testing stops the “plandemic” ends.
Whoops….
As usual, facts and telling the truth are alien to this creepy terrorist. More hyperbole, more propaganda, more threats.
The man really is a pillock. But then, so is whoever was interviewing him. If there ARE unjabbed in ITUs with covid, then it’s likely that they cannot be jabbed because they are too old, too frail or already badly immunocompromised. If I, as a mad bint with a gin predilection, can see this, then so can Jabbit and so can the interviewer.
Probably, an increasing number of the viewers now know this too, so will be wondering why Jabbit is lying and why the interviewer doesn’t challenge him.
Precisely. My 87 year-old mum has decided to pass on the jab because last time she had a flu vax it nearly killed her. I could do without this merchant banker demonising her for making an informed decision about what’s best for her own personal health. If she does catch CV and needs hospital treatment she’s 100% entitled to it having paid taxes her entire life working in the NHS.
I’d note that the relationship between infectiousness and total cases isn’t linear — it is closer to exponential (certainly at the start of each covid wave). Thus a 50% increase in infectiousness in the vaccinated might translate to a 3fold increase in case numbers.
(this also means that the vaccinated are very much putting the unvaccinated at risk)
This is very helpful, thanks, I’m going to include some of it In a letter to Prime Minister Nut Nut, and Assistant Prime Minister Doris The Clown. I’m thinking Three Jabs Javid’s little outburst amounts to ‘Hate Speech’ against an easily identifiable minority.
Doris has been called out by an ONS statistician for totally misrepresenting stats on the number of un-vaccinated in hospitals in an apparent attempt to encourage ‘hate’ .
Have they all been primed by A. Neil I wonder?
You’d think all those thousands of protesters in London yesterday could easily have gone round to Javid’s house and arrested him for these (alleged) crimes.
Unlike the Governmet, they are Law Abiding.
Point one” the official science ( not THE science) is as clear as mud.
How can unvaccinated people who are not infected with the ‘virus’ infect anyone with a virus they do not have?
They can’t, but even when you’re triple jabbed and in possession of a ‘vaccine passport’ if you’re infected you can spread it.
I invite Javid to provide any evidence of the damage that I have done to society; in return I’ll provide evidence of the damage that he and the rest of the crooks in Parliament have done.
Start with the Billons of our money they have wasted on furlough and the “nice little earner” PCR and ‘Lighthouse”contracts they passed to their ‘friends’. Then there are the Lockdown lives and ruined businesses, the midazolam mystery, the sick untreated by the NHS, and the total lack of any interest in the unprecedented number of vaccine injuries and deaths – all just for starters!
Not happy with this – they now plan to do it all again!
The only advice I would take from a banker, would be financial advice. At which point I would do promptly the opposite of what the
wankbanker says, as whatever financial advice they hand out is intended to benefit their pockets, not mine.Why would anybody with at least one functioning brain cell wish to listen to the medical advice of someone with a background in finance?
In this case his desire to get everyone vaxxed is predicated either on pocket-lining courtesy of a grateful phama industry or an urgent need to eliminate the control group to cover up the existing and coming adverse events and ADE. Whatever it is, it will be for the benefit of his (financial/political) health, not ours.
The only advice i’d take from a banker is how to hang himself & i’d ask for a demonstration first.
This man is a disgrace. Resign you mindless imbecile.
It’s not the unvaccinated who ripped our society to shreds. It’s not the unvaccinated who crashed the economy. It’s not the unvaccinated who caused the massive waiting lists in the NHS. It’s not the unvaccinated who killed thousands of elderly people in Spring 2020.
It’s not the unvaccinated who have destroyed education. It’s not the unvaccinated who shut down businesses and destroyed jobs
It was the likes of you Javid, you and your cronies, you are the people who have caused such destruction over the past two years. And you and your ilk will be held accountable for what you have done.
Yes. We’re going to need to start talking about how to conduct the crimes against humanity tribunals. A lot to be organised. Arrests of politicians and complicit media goons. Location of trials. Tone of investigation. Type of sentencing. With the casual way Ursula von der Leyen tried to dismiss the Nuremberg Code, we’re going to need something much more substantial going forwards, including updating it to factor in abuses of modern biotech, transhumanism, etc.
“And you and your ilk will be held accountable for what you have done.”
As soon as the lawyers riding their unicorns arrive.
“… they [unvaccinated] take up hospital beds that could have been used for someone with maybe a heart problem, or maybe someone who is waiting for elective surgery,” Javid said.
Now that is taking the piss. That is downright f’ing taking the piss. Shame on him!
Once a tool, always a tool
Well that would be a first!
I think we all know by now that the “data” is tailored to suit the decisions, not the other way round.
Unfortunately he means the data from a model, but only a worse-case model of course
The worst-case ase model HE ordered.
As was just confirmed by the modeler.
Lies. Lies everywhere.
And not a drop to think.
Savage Jabber and the rest of the cabinet must immediately provide indisputable evidence that they have had all three jabs themselves. If they’re going to level this sort of criticism at the public….. Pot, kettle…..
Yes … the real deal… not saline solution (with toothy smiles for the cameras)!
Fat people, heavy drinkers, smokers take note. This is the thin end of the wedge and you’re next.
Because if we are really going to start targeting bad habits and bad health decisions that put a burden on the public health care service, and their going to be going on the data, then.. I’m afraid you are in the line of fire.
On the other hand they just SAY they are going on the data but actually, they’re just trying to deflect the blame for their measures being ineffective and catastrophic to health and the economy. So you might be ok.
Next we will be told that the old are being selfish in not taking up the offer of free extermination – think of the resources and carbon emissions – think of your grandchildren. It’s the kind thing to do.
And the handicapped will be told they are being selfish if they jib at mandated sterilisation- just like Germany in the ’30s and ’40s. Eugenics never fully went away, and is definitely part of the green agenda.
It is part of the Johnson and Gates family agenda too, going back decades.
The thin end of the wedge was the seatbelt and smoking laws. This is just the widening wedge stretching us some more.
It was bicycle helmets for me. People putting a helmet on to ride a bicycle because the government told them they might die otherwise. A helmet to ride a bicycle, for God’s sake!
Voluntarily!
I’d agree on the helmets – I grew up road cycling, slip-streaming buses on the way to and from school and cycling 50-100 miles a day for pleasure, and would never have dreamt of wearing a helmet.
But I gave up cycling in the 1980s. I don’t think they ever actually made helmets compulsory did they (though there’s been plenty of pressure for it)?
You could add motorcycle helmets to the “thin end of the wedge” with seatbelts and smoking, though.
I’m sixty and I’ve been a lifelong cyclist (never learnt to drive, and my parents couldn’t afford a car). It feels like a lifetime ago, but this is one of the very reasons I voted for him:
Boris Johnson says he “won’t be bullied” into wearing a cycle helmet Mayor of London rejects calls to provide helmets with hire bikes and says he doesn’t always use one himself…https://road.cc/content/news/80771-boris-johnson-rejects-calls-provide-helmets-barclays-cycle-hire-bikes-video
Whatever happened to that man…?
Well, we can be pretty sure he didn’t choke on his torn up ID card.
It’s not the law though right? I never wear one when cycling.
Maybe I will get a fatal head injury, but I could also get one falling over on the paving outside and whacking my head against the wall (as I did last winter).
Maybe I should wear one to take the compost out
The compost will proide a soft landing if you fall into it!
good idea Sophie. Think ‘how selfish’ those NHS types might think you are if you end up in hospital after falling when you take the compost out and you weren’t wearing a helmet for protection…taking up valuable resources that could have been spent on jabbing people with booster clot shots
They can have a go at the heavy drinkers and smokers when they remove the significant excise duty they make on these products. Until then….
Bonus payments to unvaxxed who are not taking up a hospital bed? I thought not or the lie will be exposed.
How about they return the national insurance contributions of all the ‘unvaccinated’, and they can go and make their own arrangements for medical support outside the NCS. They’ll probably get better care anyway.
Only about 20% of the NHS budget comes from NI, the rest being from general taxation. They owe us way more than the lifetime NI contributions.
Bring back clapping for the heroes!
I like this idea. I’ve had covid already so I’ll be glad of the refund.
It is now becoming clear that the vaccinated are more likely to get infected and pass on the disease. The huge case numbers we have at the moment are very likely to be due to the mass vaccination campaign. I have a feeling that the government knows this and that’s why they’re going crazy about boosters.
The actual data on hospitalisation coming from the UKHSA still says that the majority of those hospitalised with covid are vaccinated. His statement about ‘9 out of 10 are unvaccinated’ suggests that he is either misinformed or lying.
The smart money is on lying.
How about putting notices on church doors saying: “As, according the the UK health Minister Sajid Javid, the vaccinated spread Covid, only the unvaccinated may attend services as of today.”
Fight fire with fire.
when has that ever stopped them in the past?
they have a very socially distanced relationship with the truth and have done for oh, almost 2 years now.
When you say “with Covid” do you mean they have tested positive in the PCR test they have been forced to take as a condition of their stay at the hospital, and that this has given them the Covid tag, or are you talking about people with respiratory disease, or blood clotting disorders – what does “with Covid” actually mean.
Is this because the jabs actually cause symptoms consistent with a so called Covid infection resulting from the fact that they make people ill by destroying their immune system for example which can manifest as respiratory disease – or because they have ramped up the testing for the Omicron party extravaganza and now we have a bunch of false positives – keeping in mind that these PCR tests produce more than 90 percent false positives (its actually 100 percent because SARS COV 2 has not been proven to exist so believing in this is foolish, especially when you take in to account that its a bunch of criminals and known liars promoting it) and that the NHS is deliberately running the tests in a way which maximises the false positive rate out of choice. How are you defining a case – by symptoms or a discredited lab test.
Are you saying the jabs cause Covid. Because in your article recently you said they prevent it. But then you were a government scientist…..
In this interview for example, the nurse states that people are brought into hospital for one thing, then they get the false positive, then they get transferred to a Covid ward and start being treated for the Convid. Sounds like a nightmare, not health care. Its a very interesting interview actually because she says the hospital was empty for the first long period of time when it was Covid only – confirming that the super mega killer novel virus narrative is a fraud – but she also says she believes in Covid – but her story depicts that these Covid cases started post jabfest – confirming that the jabs wreck the immune system and cause illness, as opposed to there being the virus from hell on the loose. So she articulates the fact there was no virus by her observations – but she still believes in Covid. Its powerful stuff, this hypnotism.
NHS Nursing Assistant Speaks Out Double Jabbed Fill Covid Wards
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bqGL6zYM0rVP/
Even if his stat about 9 out of 10 needing most care being unjabbed is true, which it probably isn’t, the reality is that the vast majority of unjabbed aren’t in hospital needing care. They aren’t sick at all, in fact they are probably extremely healthy.
So really, his statement is sort of like saying that because the majority of people in US prisons are black and hispanic, black and hispanic people are a burden to society.
We don’t condone this sort of crass generalisation for good reason when it comes to race or plenty of other human characteristics.
Monsters like Javid are engaging in disgusting, reprehensible stereotyping and incitement of hatred. He is a sorry excuse for a human being.
The claim is complete and utter bollocks.
Apparently, by not doing up my shoe-laces I am in danger of causing my neighbour to trip up over his shoe-laces. Life is strange.
Him and Hancock two cheeks of the same ass.
And what do two halves make?
An a-hole
Why is it so difficult for them to understand. WE’RE NOT FUCKING TAKING YOUR JAB.
Now cam we please move on.
They know this. They’re in the “scapegoating” phase, which will commence sincerely once they’ve convinced a sufficient percentage to take their 3rd jab.
Fuck off melon head. Go play with a Glock.
Now this is what I call clear messaging.
I would not like to be in Javid`s shoes when some hardcore “extremists” track him down, Might not be tomorrow, next week or in the next ten years but one day this ugly f**k will get his just rewards.
Looks more like Javid is the ‘extremist’, stirring up hatred within British society.
“People getting ill are having a damaging impact on society”
“It would make my job so much easier if people didn’t get ill”
Says the Health Minister.
Ah, but that’s the Health Minister for Deutsche Bank, remember.
Alistair Haimes
@AlistairHaimes
Surely until this wave has passed, a lockdown for the unvaccinated would be prudent, so that the rest of society can go about our normal free life?
https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes/status/1472501714813128706
Wasn’t this arse one of your mates, Toby?
Goes in the nasty bin along with the likes of Piers Morgan and Andrew Neil.
In my own circle of family and friends I have now lost count of all of those people who have had 2 or 3 injections but have had or currently have covid with symptoms. Only one hospitalised – and that is a person in their mid 80s who has late stages of cancer, they are now recovering at home. I know of only 2 people who are not vaccinated, myself and a friend and neither of us have been clogging up their NHS.
Haimes must surely be in the same position, he must know of many vaccinated people who have had or currently have covid. Unless all his circle are WFH, most of mine are not.
My daughter works in a shop. She says that her customers keep relating how they, or other 2nd/3rd jabbed they know, are getting covid.
Damaged immune systems – Robert Malone talks about a “genetically reset immune system” in this presentation and he marks it as the most significant issue. If this is true for kids, its true for adults as well.
Dr Malone Inventor of MRNA VACCINES SAYS “Fight to protect your children” from the Covid-19 vaccine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2xdv188kOr4M/
Post jab Covid – this definition seems to be the result of a “genetically reset immune system” as Robert Malone so powerfully characterised it. They arent catching anything, they are suffering from a broken immune system which is not functioning properly. Malone himself who took the jab has had respiratory symptoms ever since. He doesnt recommend it any more.
Similar experience in my family. The jabbed all got Covid and now seem to be permanently sick with one thing and another. My unjabbed daughter got Covid, recovered in about a week and is now as fit as a fiddle. I’m also unjabbed, been around the family all this time and never catch anything.
But just like in Austria where they did a rapid U-turn, politicians know this policy is high risk as it would empirically expose their lies about the unvaxxed causing the problem. That’s why they’re so reluctant to implement it.
Wow ! What is going on ? I am seeing the news for Britain and Europe and you would think it is 2020 again. Some states in the US are trying to do a little but even a Democrat governor in Colorado said COVID was over. Here in Tennessee where I live and Texas where I am visiting life is totally back to normal. Went to the Gaylord Texan and enjoyed the kids Christmas activities with the grandkids, shopping, eating. My wish for Christmas is every family worldwide will have this freedom !
As I’ve often noted, the UK is the political equivalent of a NE US Democrat fiefdom state, where power is contested between left and harder left. There is no equivalent here of the US Republican Party, which occasionally actually represents conservatives, and which has forced US Democrats to face reality on covid.
Our “Conservative” Party panickers have been “opposed” by the zero covid loons of the other Parliamentary parties.
As for Europe, they’re just reverting to type.
There is a massive disconnect here (I’m in central England) between the behaviour of sane ordinary people and the lunatics in politics and the media, along with the deranged twin cults of Twitter and the NHS. My local pub has been packed since July. The football grounds are full – or were until they started panicking and cancelling games because players had positive “tests”. My daughter went to town with her friends last night and everywhere was crowded, watching live music and nobody giving any of this madness a single thought. If it wasn’t for the relentless media cult nobody would believe there was a “pandemic” on. Because there isn’t.
No-one wearing face masks in the shops in your area? And how do these people in your area leave the country and return to it – on magical unicorns?
You can pretend it doesn’t exist, but it is, in fact, all around you. Just like in ‘The Matrix’. You took the blue pill, didn’t you?
The mask situation remains horrendous. I am under no illusions that an iron cage is being constructed to trap us in hell for all eternity. And no, I have not taken the blue pill – by which I imagine you mean the jab – and I never will. My post was merely to point out to Pam that many people at ground level are not cowering in fear, though they remain blissfully ignorant of the permanent misery being prepared for us.
Shops around here (SW Sheffield) have been right back up to the worst days of the lockdowns for the past week – 90-100% mask wearing. Went in the local Coop a week ago and I was the only unmasked in there. Went in a small Sainsbury’s yesterday and there was only a mother (I assume) and teenage daughter unmasked, apart from me.
Try travelling by plane from/into the US and you’ll see that ‘Covid’ is far from over as regards international travel. Can’t fly or travel by train in Canada without being ‘fully vaccinated’ – another group who will soon have to grab a booster to keep their vaxx passes valid.
It’s not 2020 all over again in Europe, it’s 1938.
what a f-wit. When he took over he said I’m the minister of ALL health not just covid. What a pile of B/S that turned out to be. Now he’s been brainwashed by the DoH and the Sage scarecrows – so much for the incisive intellect – and he compares making decisions about the future of an entire society and economy to his experience as an investment banker on incomplete data. That comparison is bollox.
Bought. Not brainwashed, bought. By offers of future power.
As soon as Dishy Rishi becomes PM he’ll be The Jewel in the Crown!
Sunak is too young and too soiled by association with the vast quantity of mess-ups, some of which he assented to.
They will need someone with minimal association with the present regime, and probably look for an opposite character to Johnson.
So Jabbit is admitting there is no crisis then. We don’t need actual data for this, it’s quite a simple equation.
If 100% were unvaxxed last year, 100% of hospitalisations were unvaxxed.
If it’s now only 10% unvaxxed and they represent 9 out of 10 hospitalisations, then presumably this means hospitalisations must have dropped by around 90%?
Let’s use their web of lies against them.
Brilliant.
The only problem is who will have access to ask this very logical and pertinent question. with good public coverage? They do a stage-managed hiding from awkward questions.
Indeed we cannot expect the controlled media to help, but we can use this logic when talking to friends, family and work colleagues.
We might also see this line of questioning from the likes of JHB, Nawaz etc.
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I wonder if his definition of unvaccinated is someone who has had 2 jabs but no booster.
He made that comment in Parliament that in order to have a valid covid pass, the booster would be required….
If you look at the /gov website, the vast majority of the 5M are made up of people who’ve only had one jab – i.e. those who may have had a reasonably serious adverse reaction, or got unnerved by reports of them and the lack of long term coverage by the vaccine, or more likely caught COVID anyway before their second jab invite and (rightly IMHO) judged the natural immunity gave them better protection, especially if they (likely) didn’t get seriously ill.
I wonder if Javid counts those who’ve yet to get a booster as those ‘clogging up’ hospitals. In my area, you have to travel nearly 20 miles and stand outside in the freezing cold for ages to get a booster. Not exactly something most people relish.
Sounds about right.
Looking at Javid’s bank accounts is the only way to see what’s really going on.
Well, his words are, IMHO, lies from start to finish. The vast majority of those in hospital being treated FOR Covid, not in serious conditoin for something else but who already had or caught COVID in hospital are the vaccinated.
The number both in hospital and in ICU because of COVID is a lot lower than last year despite ‘numbers’ of positive tests being vastly higher (mostly because of the huge increas IN testing, not actual numbers of genuinely sick people), and the turnaround of people with COVID in hospital (to discharge is far shorter than last year, and getting shorter as the Omicron variant takes over).
The number in hospital and ICU has been either flat or dropping slightly over the past 3 months; the number of cases appears to already be peaking whilst the number of deaths still drops week-on-week. I’d say that Omicron is a storm in a teacup, exactly as the SA top doctor said it was there.
The UK ‘experts’ and ministers (pushed along by the ‘Opposition’ and MSM) IMHO also lied about the situation in South Africa, where the recent increase in hospitalisations was apparently (their words, not mine) caused by another local illness doing the rounds, whereby people were tested for COVID once in hospital. Notbaly the ‘wave’ (far less than previous ones, especially deaths) is now already well past its peak there.
His terrible ‘article’ in the Telegraph has rightly been castigated by readers, ironically only in other articles because the paper won’t allow readers to comment on that article directly under it. I wonder who had a hand in that? What have they got to hide?
With covid being a respiratory virus, and the current vaccines, and I would bet any new ones, there will always be people who need hospital treatment vaccinated or not. I am utterly furious and despairing that they are giving an impression that with 100% vaccination all will be perfect. It won’t.
Judging by the info given on this site, it looks like those given the ‘vaccines’ initially have a good immune response, then only after 4-5 months, the effect is minimal, then goes into reverse.
The vaccines were likely always going to be of limited use given how quickly they were developed and the lack of genuine full DNA of the virus (not purified – see Dr Sam Bailey’s YT and odysee channels), and realistically only for those who are severely immunocompromised through age or illness (incl. cancer treatment).
The middle aged and younger, aside from those in the above groups should never needed the jabs, and should’ve been strongly encouraged from the start to get as fit and healthy as they could asap via better diet, decent exercise, bolstered by intake of vitamin D, zinc and some other helpful supplments (esp. for the winter and dark skinned people who won’t get much benefit from the sun in winter here) – by getting pharam to make them cheaply and subsidising their prices and healthy foods/fitness activities/products.
Far cheaper to do that than build useless Nighgale hospitals or lavish money of god-knows-what and paying people to stay home and not work. Life should’ve gone on as normal as possible with some extra useful measures to look after the already sick and very elderly/frail.
Like in the 1950s and 60s with flu epidemics, we all (incl government) should’ve accepted that a decent amount of those in those categories would likely die whatever we did, but at least they wouldn’t die alone. Most would’ve died anyway due to normnal ailments as you say, taht affect many of them.
I wonder how many died of a broken heart because they simply gave up? A positive mental attitude and the comfort of friends and family as part of an active social does a LOT for the immune system. Being lonely, streesed out and/or depressed makes thing a LOT worse.
I know I’m being pedantic, but SARS-CoV-2 is a retro virus, which has RNA only. The RNA has to be converted to DNA. This is a process called ‘reverse transcription’. The RNA is reverse transcribed to DNA using a specific enzyme. Additional short fragments of DNA that are complementary to specific parts of the transcribed viral DNA are then added.
Fair enough – I was reffering to its genetic code (sequencing) from the layman’s persepctive (I’m only a humble mechanical engineer).
The problem is that the ‘virus’ has yet to be physically identified, separated from all the soup of other bits (purified) and the genetic material from inside extracted and sequenced – as Dr Bailey and others have said.
No-one has claimed the $100k prize for proving this yet and many who said they have ‘isolated’ the virus then admit they haven’t and just use bit of genetic strands to ‘build’ what ‘they think’ is the code with ‘generic coronavirus’ strands held on computer.
The reason being is because it is so difficult (nigh on impossible) to do. Probably why the hastily formulated vaccines have at best a short term effect only (I wonder how much is the placebo, including the effect of ‘bad news’ and mental health which easily can trigger illnesses [mas hysteria too]) – because very little genetic material is likely to be correctly from ‘COVID-19’.
It’s likely why people get a far better and longer lasting level of protection from catching it themselves without being vaccinated.
I’m merely pointing out a small error, not disagreeing with the rest of your comment. I must get round to Sam Bailey’s ‘Virus Mania’ soon.
Getting desperate now….
I just heard another NHS advert on the radio telling me that the vaccine is safe and effective and we should all go and get a third shot (because the previous two worked so well)
I might have to actually complain to the advert people (not that it would do much good) – I want proof it is safe – that there are no long term side effects.
I want to see the designs of the time machine they are using.
It really annoys me when the NHS, politicians and others state that the vaccine is “safe and effective”. They cannot make that claim because there are a plethora of recorded adverse events in the Yellow Card system including deaths (and there is no long-term data on these vaccines yet as you mention) and the claim of them being “effective” in the broad sense of the word is very much up for debate! I am not surprised though; it seems they will say anything – including pumping out misinformation and propaganda – in order to get people to take this medical intervention without informed consent.
They should tell those of the people that have died or are permanently disabled due to covid vaccinations how safe and effective they are
Let’s not forget in the 14 days since your last jab you are classed as “unvaccinated”. What’s the betting a large chunk of the hospitalised “unvaccinated” are those poor folks who’ve just had another jab…?
Good point.
Can he be reported for hate speech AND misinformation? What a scumbag.
Evil. Lying. Satanist. Bastard. Burn in hell you lying shit.
Go on – ,just say what you mean.
Be prepared for a 2 week full lockdown over Christmas, blamed on the unvaccinated and then lifted for the vaccinated only…… I could work for their ‘nudge’ unit they’re so blatantly obvious now.
Luckily, I self-identify as fully vaccinated.
I wouldn’t be surprised as things stand if it were announced on the 21st, in true pagan fashion, because they think this date has power in and of itself. Not necessarily the actors, but those who pull the strings. I don’t think they will overcome the light.
I was looking at UK’s debt last week. It is now more or less double what it was on 2009, the year after we bailed the banks out. The unvaccinated are the least of our worries.
Can’t see how this money is going to be paid back given we are slowly decimating industries so tax receipts are going to plummet in the next few years.
Seriously, what the fuck is going on?
The Great Reset, duh!
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“That’s my job…”
And the lies spout forth
‘nine out of 10 of those needing the most hospital care were unvaccinated…’ Proven false
‘they take up hospital beds that could have been used…’ NHS has lower bed occupancy than this time 2019
He’s even contradting the .gov website/ONS info. Perhaps they’ve been taking classes from the (IMHO) COVID Gerbles Van Tam, after he attended the class in pandemic propaganda given by his Belgain colleague at Chatham House in early 2019 (very convenient, wasn’t it?).
Anyone got a full video (1hr) of that ‘lecture’? It was yetted from Chatham House’s YouTube account once word of it started to spread last year. It needs to be uploaded to the web for all to see.
Really? They’re in hourly discussions about where this is going? I think we all know where this is going – the plan was plain for all to see from the start. The only puzzle for me is why they’re taking so long.
Rubbish in, rubbish out. And it doesn’t impress me if the rubbish in, rubbish out dynamic happens daily, hourly, or even by the minute.
To turn to a less suggestive image they can spend hours building a hut out of nothing but mud but when the rain comes it will wash away, regardless of the manhours spent on it.
I can only assume that the intention is to remove the right to vote from whole sections of society because 5 million (in reality 15 million people) will never willingly vote for these charlatan purveyors of hate speech again.
No, but who will they vote for? Not Labour, for sure – Starmer is an avid Covidian.
Just another cunning stunt.
Can someone analyse this statement from Javid? I’ve seen the data myself and by patients admitted to hospital with covid the unvaccinated are in a slim minority. Therefore he can’t warrant this statement unless he is looking at data from early in the vaccination drive!? This was when many more people simply hadn’t been jabbed. Surely the briefing of ministers is not this bad!!? Are they being fed bad data by nefarious actors who want them to fail? Partisan civil servants?
Surely the fact he’s running a booster push raises questions in his mind? Why are we boosting like this if they are so effective?
Fact free hate speech.
But you know what, I don’t give a fig about this ‘society’ anymore and am pretty content with having a ‘damaging impact’ upon it.
Because it’s exactly what’s needed first to recreate the former, better, saner and more free one again.
Someone posted an odysee link yesterday of Savage Jabit, coercing a journalist into getting a booster, he reminded me then of a market seller, selling knock off textiles, I wonder what his bonus is for bulk sales of clot boosters.
Why won’t he come out and say it is the BAME to blame.
Well, we all the know the answer and we all know there is more than a grain of truth in who is responsible.
But of course a lot of them don’t have a Christmas tradition, so a Christmas lockdown won’t change their plans much.
Wake up “Norman”. Whatever battle you have been fighting is over and a new battle has begun. However inconvenient this might be for you, I suggest you quickly reevaluate who your allies and enemies within society are. You may find that some or many of those you once detested are ideologically closer to you on things that matter now than many of those you previously counted as “your kind of people”.
I’ve just checked with Mrs Portnadler that I am right in thinking that I haven’t been in hospital recently (actually at any time in the last 50 years). Nope, absolutely certain, no memories at all of funny tubes, nurses, smell of disinfectant, clattering trolleys or that swish of the bedside curtain.
But – wait a minute – the sonorous tones of James Robertson Justice (Dr Lancelot Spratt) do come back to me …
Excellent!
Never forget this scumbag has plenty of past form.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7323301/amp/Chancellor-Sajid-Javid-embroiled-row-City-banker-career-financial-crisis-2008.html.
Should never be anywhere near corridors of power
Funny because the week 46-49 figures on their own website suggests quite the opposite albeit not quite so drastically in favour of one over the other. Proof that a vast number of people only read a headline as their way of researching “the facts”.
“. . . The Health Secretary also told Sky News that 10% of the population (more than five million people) have still not taken up the offer of the vaccine, and that around nine out of 10 of those needing the most hospital care were unvaccinated. . .”
The quote is from the Sky News article but, unfortunately, the bit in bold appears to be anecdotal – i.e. he didn’t actually say it in the interview with ‘Trevor Phillips on Sunday’ programme. (If I’m wrong about that – please provide a link.) This might be because he knows it’s not true and that if he spreads misinformation about Covid on national TV he’ll get his ar$e hauled over hot coals and be reported to OFCOM, just as Dr. Hilary Jones has been for saying the same thing:
https://rumble.com/vqlale-itvs-dr-hilary-jones-makes-false-claims-about-the-unvaccinated-in-hospital.html
I was also amazed he made that inaccurate claim. So amazed I had to check it and register here to post this link. Yes he did say 9 of 10 of them are unvaccinatted. You can see it on this clip from Trevor Phillips show at just after 5min 25s https://youtu.be/PLapvTPRl_8?t=325
Hi Watney,
Well done joining DS (good move!) and thank you for posting the link.
I will make a complaint to OFCOM along the lines ‘Politico’ used in his complaint in the the link I posted in my last message. I recommend everyone here does the same.
I just want a simple list of what’s wrong – without technical detail and without what some people would regard as conspiracy theories. I realise that some of these numbered points cover more than one thing:
1. Asymptomatic transmission isn’t a thing
2. Absence of informed consent
3. Average age of death – 82 yrs
4. Children don’t die of covid
5. Negative vaccine efficacy – you’re more likely to catch it and transmit it if you’re three months post-vaccine than if you’re unvaccinated
6. Lockdowns – mental health, educational and developmental damage, domestic abuse
7. Lockdowns – cases have begun to fall before lockdowns implemented
8. Lockdowns – what about countries without them
9. Lockdowns – economic damage
10. Civil liberties – body autonomy; privacy; free unless breaking the law
11. Civil liberties – suppression of free speech and dissent
12. Following the science
13. Vaccine nomenclature
14. Vaccine development – trials; timetable; safety and efficacy data
15. Vaccine efficacy – declining over time; variants
16. Vaccine safety – aargh
17. Vaccine – follow the money; immunity for pharmaceutical companies
18. Vaccine passports – you can only travel / enter this place if you’ve had the vaccine
19. Vaccine mandates – you are required to have this vaccine in order to keep your job / not be subject to fines or incarceration
20. Measuring ‘cases’ rather than people who are ill; relying on absolute number of cases rather than ill people (or even infected people) per thousand tests
21. Test accuracy – dubious
22. Prevention and early treatment: vit D, vit C, zinc; ivermectin; hydroxychloroquine
23. UK: 450 cancer deaths per day; 460 heart-deaths per day
24. Masks don’t work
25. Civil society – apartheid / scapegoating
26. Misleading information: dying “with” covid rather than “from”; counted as “unvaccinated” for 14 days after receiving vaccine; numbers in hospital / ICU who are vaccinated / unvaccinated
27. Superiority of natural immunity in terms of efficacy, durability, and range
You forgot politicians who have a saviour complex.
I can only present anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
Unvaxxed Mrs Bee has caught Omicron and suffers from normal cold syndroms.
5 of her acquaintances also currently have it.
4 are triple vaxxed, 1 double.
They are all more sick than she is.
Another one had to stay in bed for 3 days after his booster and still feels unwell.
I am pretty sure that this is the normal anecdotal evidence most people now have, hence a lot of disappointment, increased scepticism and loss of trust by the vaxxed and, if anything, only increased resilience by the unvaxxed to government and health authorities fact-free propaganda and hate speech.
When Sajid Javid says that we are having a “Damaging Impact” on society he means his society, his vision of a dystopian surveillance society. I am glad we are damaging that vision.
Do these people never ask themselves why there are so many unvaccinated people who have survived for 2 years? Could be that many have had it and are immune, haven’t caught it because of prior immunity or high performing immune system or have avoided it because due to their lifestyle.
None of these people are a risk to anyone other than a health minister who is trying to deflect blame for 2 years of failed policies.
Even today he was claiming that the modest figues were a result of the vaccination booster program, already!
Yes, you would have thought we’d all be 6ft less vertical by now.
It must be absolutely clear to him and his SPIB advisers that this hate filled rhetoric will only entrench peoples’ determination not to get vaccinated. So why is he doing it?
Only one possible reason: to stir up irrational hatred and make it easier to impose vaccine mandates. The story then will be entirely about mandates: focus removed from NHS failure, vaccine failure, government corruption & lies, dishonest modelling.
Unvaccinated people (including teens) are about to have their lives destroyed – lost homes and jobs, lost education, fined, imprisoned- not for any health reason but to save this lying chancer’s political career. Will the legislature & judiciary really stand by and see this atrocity happen?
“Will the legislature & judiciary really stand by and see this atrocity happen?”
Your last sentence – I would say they probably will stand by. Everyone seems to think vaccines are the only and simple answer. They are not and it is a complex situation not simple.
The solution is simple, let everyone take responsibility for themselves & be accountable for their own conduct. Live your life before you die.
Yes, because they are complicit, in these crimes against humanity. Remember the first legal case in the UK, the Dolan judicial review, where the judiciary claimed these measures were only temporary?
As his words will cause mass disobedience over Christmas, it will enable him to wag his finger at the nation and impose a heavier set of measures and lockdown in the new year
These people are fucking idiots, there is no other explanation
Omicron: ‘I took two Covid tests a day at university for my grandma’s sake’ – BBC News
“I’m not particularly worried about myself getting coronavirus – I’m triple-jabbed’
You have not been paying attention have you
How are these people allowed anywhere near a university?
Idiots, don’t they realise they need a test every 60 seconds so’s not to kill granny.
Make them pay for the tests, they will soon stop.
I was perusing a local community Facebook page to see how many had added comments to the thread expressing sorrow that they hadn’t been able to get a booster jab yet, and asking other people for advice on where they could go today to get the booster that they are all gagging for. The manic enthusiasm to be euthanised was palpable.
One post in particular was extremely disturbing:
Woman A “Does anyone know where I can go to get my [son’s name] his jab? He has underlying medical problems and the GP has said he wouldn’t recommend vaccination in his case. But I really want him to be protected. There must be somewhere that will do it.”
Woman B ” I understand why you are worried. Hopefully [boy’s name] will get his jab soon.”
In previous times a boy in the hands of a mother like this would be taken into care immediately.
Don’t criticize these youngsters, they are the future of our great nation. (/sarc)
A few of my comments appear to have disappeared off here recently. Don’t think I’ve cocked up anything so just wondering if there might be a glitch?
As there’s never any explanation or apology from silent admin & I don’t think TY lives in the Bermuda triangle, it can only be one other thing. Censorship.
I have not seen or heard any firm evidence of that. I think the mods delete spam-looking posts or anything like extreme personal abuse. And posts with lots of links take ages to appear – I think a feature of WordPress, the software they use. Other than that there are lots of posts here that are highly critical of DS and TY that are left up. Maybe they would remove stuff that was overtly racist or an incitement to violence.
Just replace the ‘unvaccinated’ with ‘Jew’ or ‘Muslim’ to see how nasty and dangerous what he has said is.
Scape-goating, like this is going to lead to beatings, bricks through windows and bullying at school.
Just watched a family of 3, waddle towards the supermarket. All 3 hugely overweight, mum and kids about 6 and 10. Mum was smoking between the car and the shop.
They are the people damaging society in my opinion, obese smokers must put a hell of a strain on the sainted nhs. Meanwhile little unvaxxed me whose never been a strain on the nhs (even my back surgery was done privately) gets the blame…..f*ck off Jabbit.
No don’t play their game scapegoating & blaming others, if you act like them, you become one of them.
We each have a right to live our lives as we choose, as long as I don’t lay my hands on you or your property, then how I chose to live isn’t yours or anyone else’s business, vice versa.
I love trees too.
This is where scapegoating leads to. Where does it stop? As a society we accept different risks, some people go mountain climbing, skiing, mountain biking and get injured but we don’t stop these activities. I was in a pub in the spring and was looking at a severely obese man who was smoking and drinking heavily and thought we as a society have to accept and make provisions for that person or what else do we do – imprison them? It’s oversimplification to think everyone being vaccinated will sort covid, it won’t and they know it so are looking to scapegoat to deflect attention from the lack of preparedness for winter.
I know you’re right. It is just so annoying that I’m judged by people who are a bigger risk to the NHS than I am.
Some of my own family believes i should not have access to any NHS treatment because of my choices. One if them has had several surgeries due to being a lard mountain. The double standards are unbelievable.
Oh, I almost forgot, the same triple vaxxed lump has called 2 ambulances in the last few weeks because she thinks she’s dying with the severity of her post vaccine symptoms. It won’t stop her queuing up for a 4th as soon as they offer it.
Get an NHS envelope, write an official-looking letter ‘from’ the NHS calling her a great lump of lard and to sod off and stop bothering them. Post it 2nd-Class with a message that it was posted 2nd-Class as the NHS consider her a 2nd-Class citizen.
Just a thought! Could be a laugh.
So-called obesity is (just like smoking, BTW) called a statistical risk factor for certain diseases because the number of obese people getting them is higher than the number of others. A more elaborate version of the same is that the proportion of obese people getting certain diseases is higher than their share of the general population.
There are (at least) four major problems with this
Because of this, we shouldn’t fall into the trap of lending credibility to Javid’s untenable statements by accepting their illogical foundations as true.
How often will ministers be allowed to wilfully lie and misead the public on national television. Javid is purposefully misrepresenting statistics in order to shame and scapegoat the people he is allegedly answerable to.
He needs to be publicly sanctioned and admonished by the Tory hierarchy immediately just as the SAGE meddlers have been.
I say Javid and his mates are having a damaging impact on society
Why is there still no acknowledgement of lasting natural immunity?
Why is there no offer of a test to ascertain prior infection?
The words “natural immunity” are banned by the powers that be. I did actually get an antibody test myself (via being part of the ZOE study – although I no longer trust Tim Spector as he seems to have changed course from being balanced to now being clearly biased). But antibodies are only part of the story (more expensive and complex tests to ascertain T-cell status would be needed); but I will never show my medical/health status to anyone!
Heads will roll.
Some will end up on spikes.
He’s got the perfect head for rolling
And I have the perfect spike.
Congratulations, Javid. You’ve probably made lots of “refuseniks” even more determined NOT to get the jab, on principle. When will politicians learn that insulting your voters does not get them on your side?
The politicians are not making any attempt to engage with “refuseniks”. If they just admitted the vaccines carried a risk, just like activities such as driving a car, they might persuade some people. But the total pretence that vaccines are zero risk is screaming “we have something to hide”.
He’s just confirmed they are totalitarian psychos.
The questioning and perspicacious think Sajid Javid is having a ‘damaging effect on society.’
Five million-plus can’t emphasise enough the damaging impact the health junta are having on the rest of society.
They must really think about the damage they are doing to society, and consider the effects of leaky vaccines in the middle of an epidemic, consider the witness of Robert Malone re MRNA vaccines, and of Geert Vanden Bossche, Mike Yeadon and others on the dangers of immune escape and antibody dependent enhancement.
We want all these PPE graduates to stop thinking they are pseudo-medics who can decide early on which medics to listen to and which they can stick their fingers in their ears to and say ‘lalala, I’m not listening to you’ to get their fingers out of their ears and start weighing all, and I mean all opinions, which even the feeblest PPE graduates ought to be able to do. Perhaps they should think back and recall that they never got high marks in an essay from presenting one side and glossing over the other and straw-manning it. Perehps they should stop being so darned lazy, or so stupidly evil.
Perhaps they should stop practicing medicine without a licence and cease prescribing experimental medical interventions.
Mr Javid should now that Bullying and Coercion are illegal (Gov.UK)
Know!
Mr. Javid your words are an assault on personal liberty, they remind me of the creeping insidious opposition to the Jewish people in 1930’s Germany, a creation of ‘us’ and ‘them’.
How many of those with “a heart problem” who are being denied a hospital bed have been injected with his “vaccines” please?
I’m getting thoroughly sick and more than a little angry that government ministers and their advisors are allowed to utter hate speak against a minority with zero sanction or even criticism.
If Jabit and his mates want to consider “pressure” on the beloved and all mighty NHS consider this:-
According to the Yellow Card reporting thee have been 1.3 million reported adverse reactions to Covid “vaccines”. Lets take a very conservative view that 1% – just 1 in 100 – of these needed hospital treatment, that would be 13,000 people going to hospital. However, it is generally accepted that the Yellow Card system only picks up about 10% of actual adverse reactions. I know from personal experience that serious adverts reactions – never mind less serious ones – are not being reported. So, now lets say that out 13,000 hospital visits is only 10% of the actual number – that implies that a realistic numbers of hospital visits due to “vaccine” injury is in the region of 130,000. Who knows how many of these result in admissions. How many others have tried to access GP services as a result?? Or are simply tolerating debilitating conditions that may well prevent them from working??
I accept that the above figures are little more than educated guess work – but that is what SAGE call mathematical modelling. Are the numbers I suggest any less valid? Perhaps Mr Javid would like to comment – no I didn’t think so.
“Are the numbers I suggest any less valid? “
Well, clearly your “modelling” hasn’t been pessimistic enough to be worth doing, as we now know the SAGE “experts” see it.
May I suggest “extrapolating” your figures “exponentially” for a bit and just adding a few zeros on the end? (Don’t worry if you go above the national population, we’ve all died several times over, based on the “modelling” anyway).
I do, do hope that I am having a damaging impact on the lies of Savij Jabbid, may his soul rot.
If I was in a room alone with Sajid Javid, I would put a stop to his damaging impact on society, and create some extra business for a funeral director.
Fuck off you liar and try making a logical argument.
Healthy, unvaxxed people are not damaging society.
Unvaxxed does not axiomatically mean disease vector.
I’m un jabbed and unbowed.
wasnt this in the lockstep plan No.128 Divide and Conquer by blaming the unvaccinated. Cause enough discord to deflect where the blame actually belongs.
How many years to flatten the curve?
How many jabs to be free?
Seek the truth, not the lie.
My two jabbed brother has had his hernia operation cancelled (on the day) ” because of Covid”.
Real health reason cancelled for paranoia.
He provokes feelings from another Era in the North East we called it P..i Bashing.
That needs to make a comeback soon too!
His mouth was moving, therefore he’s lying.
One can only have contempt for a follower of Mengele.
I’m unvaxxed and unpersuaded, Mr Javid. I see through your lies and bigotry.
Where is the evidence that Javid has been vaxxed?
None, Mr F. You’ll just have to trust him, like the chicken trusts the fox.
If this ever ends, these politicians will never be forgiven for their deliberate terrorising of the nation and incitement to cause hatred and division
“they [the unvaxxed] take up hospital beds that could have been used for someone with maybe a heart problem…”
Or, perhaps, for someone double- or triple-vaxxed who nonetheless caught covid and ended up needing hospitalisation.
You’d think an ex-banker would be better at this numbers-and-statistics stuff, or is he just lying through his dentures?
Interestingly, in the ‘Oslo works party’ debacle, it was a fully-vaxxed person who returned from S Africa with Omicron and proceeded to pass it on to 80-odd of his fully-vaxxed colleagues. I wonder if he’d agree with Javid’s gung-ho statement?
Using data from tables on pages 30-32 in the HSA’s weekly covid surveillance reporthttps://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf
An interesting example, given the furore over footballers not getting vaccinated, is that in the 18-30 age group 72.4% of ‘cases’ were among the vaccinated. Yet, only 58% of all 18-30 year-olds are vaccinated.
Proud unjabbed. As I can afford to pay fines, about the only thing that would persuade me is a jail term.
A serious case of projection by Savage Jabbid. The ones who are having a damaging impact on society are the likes of him and his pharma-sponsored buddies.
A strange stat.:
In Kensington & Chelsea 61% have taken it
Most places are much higher e.g.
Telford 81%
Surrey Heath 86%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55274833
K&C is mostly the ultra-rich and the very poor, if I recall.
Sorry the biggest cunts are still those who believe this hateful gibberish and there is way too many of them .
I’ve just written to Doris the Clown about this asshole. I suggested that he should be arrested by Sadiq Khans Metropolitan Enforcers for stoking hatred against an identifiable minority.
Sky breaking news reporting on London mayor declaring major incident in London. About 15000 in hospital in London with Covid. Wow that’s quick I thought, especially after I looked at Gov.UK website which gives number in all of UK as less than 8000. Am I missing something here?
Will it be over before it began, i.e. could ‘cases’ or even ‘deaths’ decline before any post New Year lockdown ?
We still haven’t been given any details of the alleged death. I’m tentatively labelling this a scare story.
I have a sneaky feeling that there might be method in his madness. He could well be laying the turf for a snap Christmas lockdown but only for the ‘unvaccinated’. The parallels with pre-war Germany are truly frightening.
The parallels with modern-day China are truly frightening.
Agree, same difference!
That would backfire like an H bomb, given that Omnicon laughs at the bi-perforated.
“Bi-perforated.”
Love it. And now we also have the tri-perforated, soon to be followed by the quad-perforated.
I think our so called ruling classes have gone rogue and mad
One Nero decree after another….
What he doesn’t state but uses to manipulate is he classed all unvaxxed in hospital as taking up beds, but a large proportion of these unvaxxed patients will be in hospital for other reasons and have tested positive whilst there.
If he wants to substantiate his point, he should explain how many covid patients have been admitted specifically for covid and nothing else. But he won’t because it will give a completely different answer and doesn’t align with the fear agenda.
PS – His interview was one of the most disturbing accounts of inciting hate and division from a politician that I have seen. It’s incredibly disturbing.
“how many covid patients have been admitted specifically for covid and nothing else”
I don’t think they know, or care. I seem to recally Julia Hartley-Brewer asked Hancock this question ages ago and he admitted they didn’t know. It’s quite instructive in itself to note that what seems like an obvious basic statistic has not been collected.
Exactly but it’s not by mistake, they know that by giving that information (which they have) the panic and fear would reduce.
I wonder if they do have it – it’s possibly easier for them to just make sure those stats don’t exist anywhere in any usable form, in case they ever do come to light. But probably deliberate that they don’t collect them, because they can make a very educated guess at the answer.
Mmm – in a genuine pandemic, they wouldn’t have all the data?
Believing that, is believing TY’s blundering incompetence explanation. It doesn’t stand up to serious scrutiny for more than 5 seconds!
Javid was asked this by Mark Harper ages ago in the HoC and he promised to find out and get back to him……….
The data table is in there. https://sciencefiles.org/2021/12/19/operation-omikron-panik-aus-einem-schnupfen-ein-killervirus-machen-willkommen-im-neo-kommunismus/
Hear hear!
“His interview was one of the most disturbing accounts of inciting hate and division from a politician that I have seen. It’s incredibly disturbing.”
The Police will be round to arrest him shortly – they’re very hot on Hate Speech.
“The Health Secretary also told Sky News that 10% of the population (more than five million people) have still not taken up the offer of the vaccine, and that around nine out of 10 of those needing the most hospital care were unvaccinated”
Did Sky News challenge either of this blatant gaslighting?
No, didnt think so. Utterly hopeless. Non-journalists.
Over 23m folk in the UK have not been jabbed.Children are population too.
And over past month the proportion of unjabbed in hospital with Covid is less than 42%, less than half SJ’s lies.
Just a wild guess but will restrictions be in place until 1st April (nothing to do with April Fools) but as Ramadan starts on 2nd April and they couldn’t stop that.
He is still spouting the false figures, which the Govt. supplied to the MSM. According to information released by the UKHSA 67.97%,32.4 Million in England have had at least one jab leaving 23.5million in England alone who have not had any jab. This includes ineligible children but when these are deducted this still leaves 15.3 million eligible people in England alone who have refused any jabs. If one takes account of the number of those refusing a second jab and/or the booster, half the population are now not accepting the Govt.narrative. The latest figures also show that the death rate for the vaccinated is 3 times that of the vaccinated
True. Remember that many of the victims with C-19 on their certificates are already ill with something else, and are probably in a group to whom the “vaccine” was offered. So no surprise as to what the stats are like. And no surprise if it emerges that around 23 million are intelligent sceptics, as well.
So, the bus driver’s son says the government needs data to legitimise new lockdowns and restrictions? Well, getting this data will prove to be no problem for them.
The London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine was tasked with modelling the future trajectory of Omicron. This medical school put their top-man, Graham Medley, on it.
Medley has a unique way of modelling the future virulence of a virus. When modelling Omicron going forward, Medley does not include in his scenarios the high possibility that Omicron might well evolve to become less virulent.
As Graham Medley told Fraser Nelson of The Spectator in regards to the way he modelled the evolution of Omicron: “We generally model what we are asked to model. There is a dialogue in which policy teams discuss with the modellers what they need to inform their policy”.
What Medley basically told Fraser Nelson is that government officials go to him and tell him what they want the virus to be like in the future. It seems in this case the officials told Medley they wanted Omicron to become more transmissible and virulent in the period just after Christmas.
And Medley constructed his model to show that this will be what will happen.
On a numerical scale quoted by Dr Peter McCullough: The original Covid-19 virus back in early 2020 had a transmissibility rate of 2; the Delta variant had a transmissibility rate of 10; and the current Omicron is at 4 on this transmissibility scale.
Omicron shows that the virulence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus has decreased. Real science proves that viruses do this. Viruses, above all else, want to survive and replicate, like all other lifeforms on this planet.
If the virus is so virulent that it kills the hosts, then it can’t be spread to new hosts, which results in it dying off. So, viruses are selected to become less virulent in order to jump from host to host and reproduce themselves.
Being as it’s evolutionarily unreasonable for viruses to kill their hosts may be a good indication that the Ebola virus was most likely created in a laboratory.
When Ebola infects a village, very soon its entire population is either so ill that everyone is incapable of travelling very far, or dead. And outsiders that approach the infected village soon turn back because from afar they see that a serious disease is infecting the villagers. Ebola kills all the villagers, but in doing so, kills itself. Evolution does not select for a virus to be this virulent, but humans would.
As for the bus driver’s son mentioned in the article, he’s much more qualified to cultivate brinjal and ride donkeys in the Punjab.
Why do you keep calling him ‘the bus-driver’s son’?
I’d suggest that people like you get back to reality and take a look at the blatant criminality that those you are so quick to take offence on behalf of are doing right under your noses.
Because he is confusing Sajid Javid with Sadiq Khan.
Like a child you post lies in the hope that others of your kind will accept them without question?
The scapegoating of a minority for all of society’s ills is just how the Holocaust started. Evil man. Evil regime.
“Never be a bystander whenever a minority is discriminated against.” Marian Turski, Auschwitz survivor
Unjabbed taking up hospital beds which people with heart attacks and strokes causef by the jabs could be using.
Next, he’ll be saying having limbs amputated as a result of jab reactions is elective surgery which has to be cancelled due to the selfish unjabbed.
Can we just pause and reflect that this frankly laughable prat is in charge of health policy in this country.
What a liar!
Latest government COVID-19 Vaccine Surveillance report shows that 43% of those needing emergency care are unvaccinated, and only 23% of those dying with Covid are unvaccinated.
Presumably most of those dying with Covid needed ‘the most hospital care’, e.g. progressed to ICU before dying.
So how do you get 90% unvaccinated ‘needing the most hospital care’, Javid, since most of those being admitted to hospital with Covid are vaccinated, and the vast majority of those who die there with Covid are vaccinated?
Whether it is by hospital admission or death you are miles out Javid.
Stop lying.
90% of what
Try not to counter nonsensical statistics by quoting more statistics. At this point I think we best ignore all the numbers, they are all corrupted and meaningless. Counting tea leaves would be more useful.
Is “Hitleresque” a word? If not, it should be.
At least Hitler was out in the open about who he was. He never missed a chance to take to a stage and announce his aims for a thousand-year German Reich and claim that Aryans were superior to the Untermensch. And he did win two of Germany’s top military awards in WW I.
I can’t see the bus driver’s son or Boris Johnson winning a medal in battle. Or of having the guts to publicly announce their master’s dystopian future plans for the UK.
You spoil your point by referring to Javid’s father’s occupation. Most of the German aristocracy supported Hitler even if they did look down their noses at him.
We should never forget who the mass slaughter of innocents started with in Nazi Germany: it started with the physically and mentally disabled, meaning those classified as such, and who had their murder papers signed off by, medics, for “national hygiene” reasons.
You defend a man that has said:
Figures from a very well qualified and respected consultant cardiologist, Dr Peter A McCullough, in the United States show that since the beginning of this “pandemic” the “vaccines” have actually caused an amount of deaths and injuries that are at least equal to the amounts caused by the variants of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
More data from this consultant cardiologist shows that an estimated 85 percent of the 805,000 people who were killed over the last 24 months by the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the US might have been saved if they had received early treatment with hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and other medications. Dr Peter A McCullough used these medications on his own SARS-CoV-2 infected patients and proved them to be very successful – as have about 500 other doctors across the US.
Right from the start of this “pandemic” in the US, hospitals and doctors were forbidden/dissuaded from using these medications to treat people infected with the virus, as were pharmacies banned/dissuaded from dispensing them.
I have no doubt that the percentages of lives that would have been saved in the UK if the correct (and very cheap) medications had been used would equal the percent that could have been saved in the US.
I’ll also mention how in the UK an enormous amount of Midazolam was purchased by the government at the start of the “pandemic” – if not actually before the “pandemic” was even initiated. Legitimate claims have been made that this high-strength tranquiliser was given to old people in nursing and care homes.
Pre-“pandemic” this horse-strength sedative was authorised only to be used in clinical settings with life-support systems close at hand. Nursing and care homes are not clinical settings. Midazolam is a sedative so severe that it is used in some American states as an aid in the execution of criminals.
To sum up: An inordinately huge amount of Midazolam was purchased by the UK government at least as early as January/February 2020, if not before this date. And the authorisation for its use was changed. In the months after, many old people died in nursing and care homes.
All this whilst hospitals across the UK stood empty and the sheep went out every evening to clap the NHS.
You seem to be good friends with the bus driver’s son, and he’s been in government since 2019. Thus, surely, he’d be able to explain this massive importation of Midazolam into the UK and the authorisation change.
Or perhaps he might not be able to explain it? Bus driver’s sons don’t generally have very high IQs. And the financial globalists (these nice chaps that talk about a New World Order and you owning nothing and being happy) like to have low IQ ministers. Because these types are easier to run rings around, simpler to control, and more prone to blackmail – grooming gangs, for instance.
Grooming gangs continuing to abuse children in northern England, victims and campaigners warn.
As for your friend, the bus driver’s son! Well that is what he is, he’s a bus driver’s son. And he’s a bus driver’s son that might one day stand in the dock of the Nuremberg II trials.
As you can see, I’m not one bit sorry for triggering you. I’d suggest that people like you get back to reality and take a look at the blatant criminality that those you are so quick to take offence on behalf of are doing right under your noses.
“You defend a man that has said“
Star wasn’t defending Javid. Merely taking issue with your chosen attack upon him.
Attacking him because his father was a bus driver – a necessary and honourable occupation – rather than that he was a banker – an essentially parasitical occupation, once you get beyond the basics – is absurd.
However, it is perfectly legitimate to point out that he’s an alien from a low-trust, low-honesty culture whose idea of the perfect man is a mass-murdering paedophile.
“Attacking him because his father was a bus driver – a necessary and honourable occupation – rather than that he was a banker – an essentially parasitical occupation, once you get beyond the basics – is absurd.”
This was the pretty much the point Star was making.
Horbury is quite close to Dewsbury!
I wasn’t referring to bus driver’s sons per se.
It’s simply that if I were to need to have open heart surgery (God forbid I ever do), I’d prefer the surgeon to be sourced from a family with an ancestry of Western university education.
And not that he/she be from a developing world family that got a grade-inflated affirmative-actioned easy ride through medical school because their skin was a certain tone, or they processed a particular religious belief. What I describe here is very common in the UK.
I’d don’t like to see these standards applied to those that govern me.
Obviously in a state of panic because their plan has not come together. They are all an absolute disgrace, cant wait for their downfall.
Exactly what damaging impact would that be, Savage Jabber? Ruining the narrative about the ‘success’ of the gene therapy? You really are a nasty little fascist.
I promise to seriously consider getting vaccinated when the government puts all the facts on the table so that I can make an informed choice between vaccination and keeping a box of Ivermectin in the cupboard.
Or to be more precise, I will get vaccinated when hell freezes over.
Eat a good diet, make sure you get enough vitamins, and take sufficient exercise, and you won’t need any ivermectin.
I know, but those are my conditions for considering Jabber Savid’s offer.
Summary:
* A banker “health” minister working under a journalist-thug drug addict prime minister threatens to make everyone stay at home because of the practically non-existent possibility that an especially mild variant of the SARS virus will, unassisted by biowar action, cause the “overwhelming” of the state “health” service (including intensive care), despite the reported (and deliberately misleadingly inflated) death rate “with” the virus having fallen for a month and being at any rate a small fraction of what it was in January,
* the authorities put the blame for the possibility of such imminent catastrophe on those who refuse being injected with a genetic treatment that is known to be harmful, citing the gods “Science” and “Data”,
* they do not allow us a voice in the mainstream media,
* they do not debate with us,
* no journalists in the lobby put our points to ministers or politicians,
* on the contrary, leading journalists such as Tory fellow traveller Andrew Neil call on the authorities to make it difficult for us to get access to food,
* they have said they will ban us from certain jobs,
* increasingly the idea is being spread of criminalising us.
It’s entirely predictable that this fascist government and their fellow travellers, including the MSM, would demonise the unvaccinated. They now have ‘vaccine passports’ to enforce this discrimination. Just wait for their scope to be extended. Yellow stars or suchlike being held in reserve for now.
The politicians claim that the vaccine is safe when the Pharma companies told them they had to sign a non liability clause in order to push the vaccines out under emergency powers, its a lie to tell people that they know they are safe
Why don’t people trust the media and establishment anymore?
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1422181544161128450.html
Failing to discriminate between different age groups, and failing to allow for those who have acquired immunity through natural infection, failing to allow for bodily autonomy and responsibility. Failing to be intelligent and morally awake. What a dreadful man.
Desperate and dangerous, like rats in a trap
Taking Javid’s numbers at face value and assuming he’s referring to patients on ventilator by needing the most hospital care, he’s essentially claiming that unvaccinated people are doing damage to society because 98.6% of them don’t need much hospital care. This seems grossly disproportionate, especially when considering that sizable amounts of money and other NHS resources keep going into the mass vaccination programme.
Could you not use the term “The Unvaccinated” – it’s deliberately dehumanising. We are unvaccinated people.
Wrong. We are NOT being offered “vaccines.”
I read the term “vaccine free” the other day, which is preferable to “Unvaccinated” and makes me think of “Unclean”. All intentional from the government, of course (B*stards).
Many have had real vaccines but chosen not to experiment with these so-called ‘Covid vaccines’.
I guess he didn’t have the balls to go for “deplorables”.
What is it with me not taking health advice from unhealthy people.
I wrote this on the other place. Seems fitting to give it an airing here:
I am not vaccinated.
I am not the one who ignored the existing pandemic preparedness plan.
I am not the one who locked you down.
I am not the one who lied about 3 weeks to flatten the curve.
I am not the one who discharged infected patients into care homes.
I am not the one who slapped DNRs on unsuspecting old people.
I am not the one who bombarded you with fear porn.
I am not the one who convinced you that you could be dangerous to others whilst being perfectly healthy.
I am not the one who prevented you from receiving non-Covid hospital care.
I am not the one who closed schools.
I am not the one who cancelled exams.
I am not the one who masked you.
I am not the one who locked you down again.
I am not the one who criminalised you for sitting on a bench.
I am not the one who stopped you from travelling on holiday.
I am not the one who cancelled Christmas.
I am not the one who locked you down again for 6 more long months.
I am not the one who closed schools again.
I am not the one who subjected your kids to repeated intrusive testing for a disease they don’t have that won’t harm them even if they did.
I am not the one who masked kids in class.
I am not the one who let children suffer and die from abuse and neglect.
I am not the one who ruined your business or lost you your job.
I am not the one who caused your friend’s suicide.
I am not the one who let you develop late stage cancer.
I am not the one who ignored and actively discredited early treatment options.
I am not the one who unleashed experimental and inadequately tested gene based therapies on you.
I am not the one who ignored the unprecedented level of reported side effects and deaths from those therapies.
I am not the one who coerced you and your kids to take the experimental therapy, repeatedly.
I am not the one who denied natural immunity.
I am not the one filling up hospitals.
I am not the one who stopped your repeated jabs from preventing infection.
I am not the one ignoring real world evidence that lockdowns and mandates don’t work and in fact cause harm.
I am not the one who fired care home workers in the winter.
I am not the one who made up rules that I had no intention of adhering to myself.
I am not the one who used a milder variant to make you even more afraid.
I am not the one who masked you again.
I am not the one who approved medical apartheid documents for participation in everyday life.
I am not the one planning to fire NHS staff for Easter.
I am not the one removing your bodily autonomy from under your nose.
I am not the one you should be afraid of.
Right, this is going in my secret archive. I will be printing this off and using it when confronted, threatened, or arrested, or when conversing pleasantly with vaccinated/masked folk about Covid. Thank you for sharing!
This is so good, thank you. It’s a sobering reminder of the absolutely criminal actions the government has taken against the people of this country over the past two years. How the hell are they still there? Why are people still complying?
What’s to stop people going round to Javid’s house and arresting him for Hate Speech? Citizen’s Arrest?
Brilliant.
And perfectly true.
Each and every line of it.
Courtesy of Alex Berenson: Omicron: such a joke that South Africa is about to dump all contact tracing and quarantines
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/omicron-such-a-joke-that-south-africa/comments?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0OTkyMDQ4NCwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDU3MjM2NjAsIl8iOiJHYlk5MCIsImlhdCI6MTYzOTkzODc3NSwiZXhwIjoxNjM5OTQyMzc1LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzYzMDgwIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.DiUbrKitHwmkcxJ_tHcdD1L4So7ait6sPQUeUq3jSsg
https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/covid-19-stop-tracing-and-quarantining-of-contacts-says-ministerial-advisory-committee-20211219
So government covid policies have been a dismal failure – lockdowns, travel restrictions, mask mandates, one, two and now three jabs and still the country is under restrictions with lockdowns looming again and none of freedoms that were relinquished that were promised would be returned once they ‘flattened the curve‘ back in March 2020 – we are effectively back to square one with little or no change since Cristmas 2020 … in fact we’re worse off than we were before the vaccine rollout – you could at least still travel overseas with little or no restrictions and without being jabbed first – but what is most alarming is that all this government rhetoric is eerily sounding more and more like a certain little jumped-up dictator with a funny moustache who also had a proclivity for blaming and targeting a certain section of German society whenever his government policies failed too.
This scapegoating of the unvaccinated is not only irresponsible and wrong its downright dangerous too. Jabbit should resign for his disgraceful remarks – he’s sounding more and more like a that madman during his last days in his Berlin bunker .
Let us hope they all go the same way.
And, I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes when they meet their maker.
(Mind you, I may have problems in that regard – but I’d never swap!)
Totally agree. All he needs now is a moustache and an armband and learn to speak German. Completely unacceptable behaviour from a Government Minister.
Didn’t he work for Deutche Bank?
I think it’s time we started publishing booklets, tracts, poetry, philosophy, history, memoirs, alternative science, etc. for public (and our) consumption.
We can’t rely on this website alone for keeping the resistance going.
You can self-publish anything from booklets to major treatises via http://www.lulu.com.
I’m collating my blog-posts, poetry, and occasional outbursts for pseudonymous booklets for distribution.
Maybe one day we can all reveal our real names and laugh about all this.
Stick posters up in bus shelters. Keep the message succinct – one main point per poster, for example:
Don’t you think it strange that you have to wear a mask in a shop, but not a pub? Do you think the government is being honest about this?
Whatever happened to ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’? Do you think the government will ever let us be free again?
Do you know that double-and-treble vaccinated people can still catch the virus and pass it on to others?
Yes that is important. But we need to start preserving our thoughts and making things more permanent too. If we have to organise an underground, we need to extend that to fighting through culture as well. Karol Wojtyla (future pope John Paul II) organised the underground theatre in Krakow in WW2 while his compatriots fired guns.
Yes – we have to start making people think! Deep down, the vast majority must feel that something is very wrong. We need to encourage those feelings to surface – by as many means as possible.
If we can establish the means to help people to awaken themselves, we will succeed.
Is anyone else having this problem? I keep being logged out and have to log in again before making comments.
It happens. Post a message to Admin in the forums. They are good. It will get sorted.
And so it begins.
Blame the unvaxxed.
We are still in 1920’s Germany.
1930’s awaits.
As of 12th December 2021 (UKHSA vax surveillance) report there were/are over 23 million of us you bastard- ie not 5 million, shock.
And that’s despite the deliberate fear mongering, lies, and control of the MSM to push the criminal agenda of which you are no small part.
We can win this.
Hold the Line.
Was bound to happen. Keep the faith!
I filled out an online hate crime form today against Savage Jabbit. I pointed out that his words were likely to inflame hatred and violence against those not wishing to be stabbed. I suggest others do the same. Thanks to a poster on here for the idea, but I’ve gone and done it.
Replace the word ‘unvaccinated’ with ‘Jew’ or ‘Jewish’, and then you are transported back in time to the 1930’s and where utterances like this from Javid truly belong. It is truly disgusting.
How do Javid’s bodyguards feel about protecting him? Especially if they haven’t been ‘vaccinated’ with the experimental Covid ‘potions’.
“‘Informed consent’ is really a figure of speech. No layperson can truly evaluate the potential risks and benefits of participating in a clinical trial, least of all the trial of a genetically engineered virus.”
Not Pfizer not Moderna not AstraZeneca but from 1999 when an adenovirus was modified to try and correct ornithine transcarbamylase (OTC) deficiency.
“Three monkeys who had received very high doses of the vector developed severe liver failure combined with a blood-clotting disorder, and they had to be killed.”
quotes from “When Science Goes Wrong: Tales from The Dark Side of Discovery” by Simon LeVay, 2008, Chapter 6
I think the problem is essentially that the Health Secretary has no innate understanding of virology and epidemiology and is spouting nonsense fed to him by other people who similarly are not able to understand the situation.
Government is bombarded with information by modellers in SAGE which is aimed at matching the policies being implemented rather than the other way round. The Spectator’s editor had a discussion on Twitter with various SAGE modellers, essentially they were saying that anything that doesn’t require “a decision”, better known as tighter restrictions, is not presented as the politicians are not interested in benign predictions, all that they want is the worst case predictions which naturally drive fear and further lockdowns. Furthermore the modellers are making errors due to unfamiliarity with the basics of such models and they fully admit that they don’t validate their models with past events and known data because the people getting the results don’t want that. It’s beyond parody!
The UK appears to have lost the ability to decide policy using accurate estimations of reality, instead we see any long term government policy created by the incompetent who don’t have any experience of making such important choices but are instead driven by fashion.
I despair, but will still fight these idiots to my dying breath.
Bus driver’s sons don’t generally have very high IQs. And the financial globalists (these nice chaps that talk about a New World Order and you owning nothing and being happy) like to have low IQ ministers. Because these types are easier to run rings around, simpler to control, and more prone to blackmail – grooming gangs, for instance.
Grooming gangs continuing to abuse children in northern England, victims and campaigners warn.
I guess the person who gave a downtick hasn’t had their daughter ‘groomed’.
Maybe he’s a progressive woke chap that grooms his own daughter/s?
Or, perhaps the down-voter (not me btw) does not (as I do not) see any value/need for the ‘bus driver’s son’ bit. This sort of thing does nothing to advance our position as being reasonable.
I think that interpretation is remarkably kind – Javid has access to the same information as we do. He has, in effect, just identified those of us who have decided to refuse these experimental drugs as being public enemy number one. He is disgusting.
You may be right, but until I can have a 1:1 private discussion with him it is difficult to judge accurately his level of understanding.
I certainly don’t like his view of unvaccinated people, he makes that comment based on what is government policy in his Health Secretary capacity, I don’t know if he believes it privately. As ever, politicians have their eye on continuing to be elected which is one reason I am not one as I could not live with myself.
That is Toby Young-level wishful-thinking. Of course Javid knows! He’s just scapegoated a third of the population – you think that was an innocent blunder?!
Not an innocent one no, a calculated one. These people have revealed their true colours to those prepared to think, but that proportion of the electorate has shown itself to unable to sufficiently affect politics and help reverse the ruinous behaviour of the last 2 years.
I know that you’re angry, I am incandescent with rage, however getting things changed is not simple especially when a government has given itself emergency powers. It takes time and the opportunity to change minds will only happen when alarmist predictions fail to materialise.
It might be the case that our alarmist predictions do materialise. However, will that work to our advantage?
Perhaps if he wasn’t scientifically illiterate and dependent upon his civil serpents and behavioural psychopaths for ‘information’, he might have a more balanced view. Then again…. perhaps not. He doesn’t seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer. Useful idiots never are.
Shocking really that politicians are allowed to preside over govt. Departments like ‘health’ without a sniff of relevant study, experience or qualification of any kind!
I suppose it’s inevitable that you’re going to have ministers with little or no knowledge of their department but that doesn’t prevent them from educating themselves. I guess we’ve all learnt a huge amount about health, viruses and vaccines over the last 22 months simply by bothering to read and understand the information out there. He could do the same!
Yes, he COULD. But he probably feels it’s not worth bothering when he has ”people” to do that for him. ”Why keep a dog and bark yourself?” is probably his mantra.
Wow – record number of comments on one story?
And there was me thinking we’ll be the people who will be parenting the children orphaned by the vaccine, providing the untainted blood, plasma, bone marrow, sperm and egg donations, and keeping the economy going in order to finance the huge extra healthcare costs which will arise from vaccine injuries and from any non-COVID illness having been neglected for 2 years.
Nailed it.
Come on Boris. Prove me wrong. If this wasn’t your idea, tell us whose idea it was.
”When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it-always.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
What a disgusting man he turns out to be!
Savage Jabbit says that the “unvaccinated” are having a “damaging impact” on society. Perhaps Jabbit could reflect a little on that statement. It is now abundantly clear that this government and of course Jabbit are having seriously harmful impacts on society and these impacts are way beyond any possible “damage” the none injected could malevolently be accused of.
MSM is trying to make fun of people wanting to protect themselves with cheap and proven drugs. Ivermectin has been FDA approved for human use since 1996. It also beats Pfizer’s new wonder drug hands down, and costs next to nothing. Ivermectin doesn’t make tons of money. So they know the Covid shot is on its final gasp, so they take it add something different to it, rebrand under another name and charge 20 times what they would for ivermectin. I cannot wrap my head around this nonsense. When I explain this to my relatives they label me as crazy and ask me if I know better than science. I don’t make up these information out of my ass. All this information is true and proven. For some people it is near impossible for them to wake up. They are comfortable in their clown world life. If you want to get Ivermectin you can visit https://ivmpharmacy.com
A commenter below says:
They are doing it in a way which will ensure their alarmist predictions do not fail to materialise.
The Delta and Omicron variants were no more than strains of the common cold. These common cold strains, though, made many people more ill than they normally do.
Actual figures show that the vast majority of people who died in the last 12 months from SARS-CoV-2 had received either one or two shots of “vaccine”. There have been many cases revealed where the “vaccines” caused autoimmune disease.
The “vaccines” drive “inoculated” people’s bodies into the depths of immunodeficiency. Or AIDS, as some specialists have described it.
The list of injuries the “vaccines” have caused in people is absolutely horrendous. These “vaccines” meet none of the criteria set forth for the roll-out of vaccinations pre-“pandemic”.
They have people scared witless with Omicron, even the Daily Mail and Daily Express is in on the act. All these people will run out and get the jab or booster. Then, they catch a common cold and drop off because their immune system has been destroyed attempting to fight off the in silico artificial spike protein that the mRNA shot encoded to be built in cells all over their bodies.
One shot of mRNA is enough to encode for billions of these spike proteins to be built in lung, heart, organ and blood cells all over the body.
You might find this interesting: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wrote a book, The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health. In this book Kennedy gave over about 200 pages to the HIV/AIDS disease which first became known in the early 1980s.
There’s always been rumours that HIV/AIDS was the result of “inoculations” offered to and accepted by homosexuals in New York, San Francisco and Los Angelus in the 1980s.
What has really caught people’s attention, though, about Kennedy’s book and the large section of it he gave over to the origins of the AIDS/HIV scare is that many left-wing media outlets in the US ran hit-pieces on it over the last few weeks.
But none of them mentioned AIDS/HIV even though about half of Kennedy’s book deals with this specific topic.
The reason they avoided AIDS/HIV in their hit-pieces on Kennedy’s book is very probably because there is a world of evidence out there that HIV wasn’t actually a virus. It was, instead, an autoimmune disease that was initiated in the homosexuals by the free inoculations that the Gates/Fauci types gave to them.
People that have been Covid-19 jabbed will, under the criteria that tests for HIV and/or AIDS in some parts of the world, test positive for the HIV disease.
What really alarms me at this stage in the blatant genocidal criminality that is openly taking place, is that so many people who should know better are still in denial about it, or simply cannot see it.
If people are confused why so many doctors are seemingly playing a part in it, then they need to take an honest look at the type of characters modern doctors actually are.
Most modern doctors are actually nerds. They are sticklers for authority, their parents were high-achievers and drove their offspring to be likewise.
They go to medical school where they cram gigabytes of data into their heads. They leave medical school little more than memory banks. The names of hundreds of thousands of diseases, their symptoms and the pharmaceuticals to treat them are crammed into their heads.
They have no training or ability for problem solving or thinking outside the box. At one time would-be doctors had to pass a type of personality test to be accepted into medical school. But affirmative action and grade-inflation did away with that.
Apart from a small percentage, the modern doctor is either a nerd and/or a person simply working in the medical field because their parents pushed them into it, or are there for the status or the financial benefits.
Out of about 1 million doctors in the US, only about 500 are willing to break Fauci protocol and treat their SARS-CoV-2 patients with efficient but non-FDA approved drugs.
None of your claims are substantiated. Where is the data that shows the majority of people who died fron Covid in the last 12 months are vaccinated?
“None of your claims are substantiated.”
Did you read Kennedy’s book?
No!
Did you do any research into what Dr Peter A. McCullough has put forward on the subject.
No!
Kennedy and McCullough substantiates and cites every claim of fact they make. Both are linked to in the comment. Either of these people would be a good place to start if you want to substantiate any claims made on this site.
Ok. Where is the data that would counter his claim?
There is plenty of information around giving statistics of jabbed versus unjabbed in hospitals. This graph, for example, posted by Sarah Dale a short while ago. It’s figures for Scotland, but no doubt the same is true in England.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
Martian Malteser needs to watch that mouth, it’s way into Stochastic Terrorism like 50-80% of the advertisements on UK TV, and marginally into incitement territory.
White trophy wife? Maybe not:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajid_Javid
Sajid you are a liar!! 5 million? More like 23.5 million, when are the sheep if this world going to realise that we are being lied to, coerced and are dying because of an injection!!
Or to express it another way, it’s more than a third of the population that says NO.
Pathetic, desperate “othering.” When in doubt, scapegoat. It worked in 1930’s Germany – here he is creating the Re-run. Is he taking responsibility for the damage caused by the jab? Thought not. I’ve been alongside friends whose grandad died 3 days after Pf. & it went to inquest. Harrowing. if there wasn’t the possibility or probability of a link, there would have been no reason for one.
PS: how much of this is getting rid of overstocks near their sell by date?
PPS: some excellent contributions to the discussion caused by this article. As dark as things are, they’ve cheered me up immensely. Bless you all
My Mediafire cache of Covid medical articles and documents – started in February of this year
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/guovnglxuj5xf/Documents
Help yourself.
What on Earth happened to this man? For abou five minutes he looked better than his predecessor
Vaccine becoming a joke in Denmark
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/denmark-no-vax-is-protective-vax?
$30-36 billion. Pfizer’s expected revenue from covid vaccinations. They must be so happy with governments like ours, bullying and threatening people until they accept a treatment they don’t need.
His comments need to be reported as hate speech against the vax-free.
What a nasty, lying piece of work this person is. Thank God he’s only a useful idiot.
“and that around nine out of 10 of those needing the most hospital care were unvaccinated.”
Of which a proportion – maybe the majority – will be unable to have it because they are too frail or were too sick with their co-morbidities to have it.
And that’s a load of arsehole. It’s clear Jabbid doesn’t read his own information about hospitalisations etc.
I’d tell him the truth but feel that I would be wasting my time.
It’s obvious that I’m an arsehole for not taking a booster. But the more threats I recieve from Jabbid the bigger an arsehole I will become.
Jabbids arsehole is a great place to put all boosters I think.
Sajid is a politician. Now if you are a person who usually takes your medical advice from a politician that is fine. Most people choose to seek this advice from a person formally trained in medicine and science. Turn off MSM, simply turn it off. Dig deeper for your covid info. Substack, Robert Kennedy. Professor Norman Fenton, Dr Jessica Rose, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr Paul Alexander, Dr Breggin oh I could go on forever. You get the idea.
COVID A NOTHING BURGER. IT REALLY IS A COMMIN COLD.
Perhaps Javid might like to provide evidence that the 9 out of 10 being hospitalised are hosptialised as a result of Covid, and not because they have anything else which caused the hospitalisation, does anyone know where the stats are which would provide this information?
And to reiterate a very stale point the covid vaccines neither confer immnunity or stop transmission, why don’t reporters probe this minister more? and why is he allowed to incited hatred against people with what I suspect is misleading stats. After all the man has form on this matter
Bought and paid for, that’s why reporters don’t probe.
It’s appalling incitement of hatred from Javid here. I’m assuming they won’t the lovely donation of universal donor blood I’m scheduled to provide this week, seeing I’m damaging society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omrVpA14FpY&t=382s
JP Sears , on double life jacketing, its his way of getting around the youtube stazi
I came to the conclusion on August 2020 that this Government was evil. I said so at the time and received a lot criticism.
By December 2020 I came to the conclusion that this Government is satanic. I see no reason to revise that view in any particular. Never before have I seen and known the truth of Ephesians 6:12:
‘because our struggle is not against blood and flesh but against authorities and powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness and against the spirits of of evil in the heavens.’
When I now express the view that this government is satanic I receive agreement.
I find it heartening and encouraging to read Biblical quotes on here. This one from Ephesians is particularly relevant in these dark times.
By unvaccinated he means those only two jabbed
““They must really think about the damage they are doing to society… they take up hospital beds that could have been used for someone with maybe a heart problem, or maybe someone who is waiting for elective surgery,” Javid said.”
So, SoS, enlighten us all on the “damage” that has been done to the UK population from locking down the entire UK, abandoning the very same elective surgery and extending waiting lists for years, killing tens of thousands of people in the process and condemning others to live in abject fear of medical conditions that will not get treated.
And for what……a virus which 99.97%of people survive?
Which Government instigated this tsunami of untreated medical conditions, patient and clinician stress – THE ONE OF WHICH YOU ARE A MEMBER.
Absolutely true.
And for what?
Digital ID =Control. And that’s it.
Never forgive.
Never forget.
This man is dangerous and he is a LIAR. He will be aware that there are numerous ongoing studies in the UK, all trying to learn how to effectively treat Covid. My understanding is that many studies so far have failed for example to fully recognise and address the effects of the gene therapy on people with existing suppressed immune systems. Right now it is very likely -and JAVID will be aware of this no doubt – that injecting those with a supressed immune system has serious debilitating if not fatal consequences. .
The only damage that those who are unvaccinated are doing is to seatroying Government and scientific propaganda and ‘Nudge’ unit brainwashing subliminal inputs?
Sorry, read destroying above.
Have no doubt: a new lockdown is coming very soon and we, the “vaccine” refuseniks will be the scapegoats. Still, eff them and the scared, gullible sheeple who will throw stones at us! Stay strong. Do not cave. Do not comply!
Excuse my language but I find I cannot remain civil – but he can F.O.A.D.
And what about the damage the government is doing to society? A complete and utter bunch of shysters.
the pharmaceutical snake oil salesmen & the sinister slaves to the reset, Disguised as Politicians, are in fact , having a “damaging Impact” on the society. Do they think we don’t know who they are!??
discussing it with our scientists and our best advisers…”
No! Your chosen advisers. They have proved their worthlessness over the last 2 years and you still say “best”.
With 85% of the population inoculated against cv19 how are these 15% a problem especially as the majority are young and ineligible for a jab?
it’s like herding cats, you can’t get everyone.
the nhs must surely be able to take care of those in the 15% who are eligible but refuse and may get hospitalised. .
Tell ‘Satanic Jabber’ to bugger off.