We’re publishing a guest post by Adrian Brown, a former Royal Australian Air Force Legal Officer, about whether it’s reasonable to expect Russia to be constrained by moral norms, particularly in light of the failure of Britain and the United States to always observe those norms themselves when the national interest is at stake.
If you’re anything like me, the sooner you forget the sight of Ukraine asking the UN Security Council, chaired by Russia with its power of veto, to vote for a motion demanding that Russia stop its invasion and withdraw its troops, the better. The UN reported that several of its members described Russia’s veto as “inevitable but deplorable”. It’s hard to imagine anything more enervating.
Russia is in clear breach of Article 2(4) of the UN Charter. Although the ICC has opened a war crimes investigation, Russia has withdrawn from the underlying treaty and is not subject to its jurisdiction. Before you rush to judgement, the United States has withdrawn too. Russia’s indifference to international law is best illustrated by its appeal to Article 51 of the UN Charter which deals with the right to self-defence. Token at best, mockery at worst. We all know that, without an independent enforcement mechanism, treaties are not like contracts in a rule-of-law based jurisdiction, and international law more generally contains a strong voluntary element.
We often hear experts say that Russia only understands hard power. But before we give up on international law, norms, and other constraints, it’s worth asking whether there is any basis for believing that a state is constrained by moral standards and, to the extent that the West has breached those standards itself, we can demand that Russia complies with them.
The sceptical analysis of Russia’s invasion restates the doctrine that foreign policy should only be concerned with a state’s interests and not with morality. It often suggests that Russia’s interests include ensuring that Ukraine does not join NATO. The West’s response to the invasion, driven in part by moral outrage, is naïve, misguided and even irresponsible. Instead, Western states should have dispassionately examined whether confronting Russia served their interests. If it did not, they should have looked the other way.
The underlying principle is not, however, quite what it seems. In the academic and policy discussions, the qualifying phrase ‘legitimate interests’ is often used, rather than interests. Morality is smuggled in through the word ‘legitimate’ which requires a value judgement. We hear echoes of this in the so-called Laws of Armed Conflict, codified in the Geneva Convention, with their focus on limiting the use of lethal force to military targets, such as combatants and weapons systems, and proportionality.
More significantly, even if a state wishes to pursue its interests without reference to legitimacy or morality, it is constrained by the animating morality of its people. There are well established philosophical and political theories for this proposition, but it might be simpler to just look at states’ real-world behaviour for evidence of it.
During the two Gulf wars, we saw regular briefings by the United States, including detailed information about target selection accompanied by video footage of smart bombs arrowing into their targets. This was because, from Vietnam onward, the West understood that it was constrained by public opinion driven, at least in part, by moral imperatives. It is not just the West that is vulnerable to public opinion. You might ask yourself why President Putin bothered to create his outlandish narrative about liberating Ukrainians from an oppressive regime controlled by drug-taking Nazis – and why he backed it up with criminal laws intended to prevent the domestic and foreign media, and Russian citizens via social media, presenting evidence that contradicts this narrative. This arch-realist knows that he, too, is constrained by public opinion.
In Britain, people may point to the Stop the War rallies before the second Gulf war, and the continuing and somewhat hysterical fixation on Tony Blair’s alleged misconduct, to demonstrate that there were no moral constraints on the British state. At the time, however, public opinion favoured the war. The eventual backlash in public opinion then drove Ed Miliband’s successful opposition to military intervention in Syria. And regardless, a state may ignore moral constraints in the same way an individual might. In neither case should we conclude that moral constraints don’t exist.
There is, of course, a huge overlap between a state’s legitimate interests and morality. It is the first duty of a state to provide for the protection, health, and prosperity of its people. There will be times when a foreign policy decision ostensibly based on moral imperatives also serves a state’s interests. And any mature moral outlook must afford other peoples the right to choose their own form and style of government – to live and let live.
As we watch Russia’s invasion progress and see clear evidence of women and children being targeted and killed as they try to evacuate charred residential suburbs, we can say with certainty that Russia has far exceeded its legitimate interests and is in breach of international law and generally accepted moral standards. Does this matter? Yes it does. It matters because ultimately the Russian people will decide how long President Putin remains in power and, as he has proven by his own conduct, the Russian people are more likely to act if they are morally outraged. Or to put it more practically, they are less likely to put up with soldiers being killed and economic sanctions when they don’t believe in the cause.
It also matters because, while the moral element in foreign affairs is, for very good reason, primarily a constraining force, it can also be an effective call to action. The moral outrage that Russia’s invasion has provoked has been a galvanising and unifying force among the nations of the world. It is the near universality of the response that provides its practical and moral force. It is also why otherwise cool and clear-eyed analysis of trivial actions, like Disney deciding not to distribute films in Russia, misses the point.
The sceptical analysis of this situation rightly asks whether the West can condemn and, by extension, confront Russia because Western countries have themselves engaged in direct and indirect action to overthrow the governments of sovereign states. This idea is particularly pertinent if you believe that the United States covertly supported, and potentially even helped foment, the Maidan revolution in 2014.
You can see the attraction of this position. It has a veneer of fairness, balance, and impartiality. It is, however, merely splashing about in the shallow end of the political and moral pool.
Firstly, it assumes a moral equivalence between the Russian invasion of Ukraine and, for example, the Gulf wars or the United States’ alleged actions in Ukraine. I’m not sure this bears much analysis, but neither time nor space permit a detailed examination here. Secondly, no matter how squeamish you are about these things, you can still proceed on the basis that the wrongs of the past can be acknowledged while the wrongs of the present are challenged. To suggest otherwise strains credibility.
More importantly, there is a risk that this position could be used, wittingly or unwittingly, to disguise the frightening consequences of a multi-polar world in which, below the surface chop, powerful opposing currents flow. Freedom and self-determination, the rights and dignity of the individual, limits on the use of coercion and state sponsored violence are being contested. Go ahead and criticise the West when you think it justified – that is your right and perhaps even duty. But that is very different to insisting that the West disqualifies itself from the greater struggle and simply concedes these fundamental human principles on behalf of itself and the people of the world.


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I posted previously pointing out that the Russians claimed to have reported to the United Nations on the 7th March, some two days or so before the hysterical claims of war crimes, that the Mariupol maternity clinic had been taken over by Ukraininian armed forces and used as a firing base.
I also said it would should be easy for the BBC or other reporter to check the time line with the United Nations.
Well here are the minutes of the meeting on the 7th March where the Russians did indeed report that claim.
https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N22/278/60/PDF/N2227860.pdf?OpenElement
“According to our data, in Mariupol alone, some 200,000 civilians are in the cross-hairs of the Azov Battalion and are trapped by radicals in that area. The humanitarian situation in cities is deteriorating rapidly. Humanitarians attempting to provide assistance are unable to reach Mariupol to prevent the impending catastrophe. The situation is critical for people in other regions of the country as they, too, are blockaded by nationalist battalions. We note that, day by day, Ukrainian radicals are showing their true colours more clearly. Local residents said that Ukraine’s armed forces forced staff out of a maternity clinic No.1 in Mariupol and then established a… Read more »
In Europe and America, there’s a growing feeling of hysteria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs
Hasn’t the headline picture already been debunked as white helmet propaganda, as per Syria, using a crisis actor?
A statement made by Lavrov now makes it absolutely clear that the Mirror’s disgusting front page represents the repeating of a False Flag set-propaganda piece concerning an abandoned disused town-centre hospital used by the Nazi Azov Brigade.as a strong point
Explosives experts confirm that the visible explosive damage is not commensurate with air strikes ( but with charges set locally) and also that there were no Russian air strikes in the area. Local civilian residents also confirm this information.
Images of the wounded are faked.
Azov Brigade is also reported sniping at and killing Red Cross personnel and attacking ambulances evacuating the wounded.
No wonder Johnson and the sold-out UK Media do not want any real news from Ukraine to reach the British public!
We can expect the Ukrainian Extreme Right to continue with False Flag atrocity reports of this kind as they are surrounded by Russian forces in the centres of het owns they hold ( where civilians are being used as human shelds by them ).
The same tactics were use in Syria against Assad of course to justify UK and US air strikes.
If only we still had a ‘freedom of the press’ in the… Read more »
This war will only stop once the players get what they want.
Putin has his bits but also wants regime change, the west want Putin to pull out which he won’t,
so how can the west and Putin both claim victory on this?
in my mind if we stop supplying arms to Ukraine and they just surrender then the killing stops and talks can get underway.
If Putin goes beyond Ukraine then it has to be ww3.
The West does not want the war to stop – they war a vicious war with many dead and maximum political and economic damage to Russia.
The Russians want a short conflict and a swift settlement that meets their security demands . That is why Johnson and Truss are so extraordinarily irresponsibly in telling mercenaries to go there and fight and sending weapons to fight with – the Russians do not take kindly to foreign mercenaries.
Reports suggest they may even have a mercenary reserve of their own itching to fight consisting of hardened pro-Russian mercenaries from the Middle East if the West continues trying to extend the conflict.
For those who dismiss Russia ( it has happened before in 1941) they have so far committed only around one quarter of their front line Army and not included the largest part their best units or the Special Forces and have as a resort a ‘mobilistation’ call-up strategy that could eventually put an estimated one million men on the ground.
Russia is conducting a measured campaign – the West is trying to hype it up to save or destroy their client state – if they do Russia will respond accordingly.
Remember… Read more »
Please could I be shown the clear evidence of women and children being targeted that Toby has obviously seen
Russian version banned from UK Media:
The hospsital had ceased to function as a hospital and was being used by the Azov Brigade Ukrainian Nazis, who occupy the civilian areas of the town, as a headquarters.
There were no patients – it was shelled by the Russians as a legitimate military target. The images of the wounded patients etc were fake ( as were the claims of dead children buried beneath) just like the fake images from Syria of chemical weapons use now quietly exposed as fake False Flag- so False flag Operation to smear Russia picked up unquestioningly by the salivating western propaganda media.
Move – on nothing to see here!
The Russians are not stupid, why would they pointlessly shell a hospital to give a propaganda coup to their enemies?
If only we had just a few honest journalists with a few brains left.
>Firstly, it assumes a moral equivalence between the Russian invasion of Ukraine and, for example, the Gulf wars or the United States’ alleged actions in Ukraine. I’m not sure this bears much analysis, but neither time nor space permit a detailed examination here. <
I am not sure what the point of this article is in that case? Isn’t this precisely the argument you wish to debunk?
but I think it is something of a straw man. We are being cajoled and possibly will be sanctioned for not following the western narrative 100%, to believe everything our media tells us and nothing the Russians tell us. The whole atmosphere is nudged away from any such nuanced analysis.
plus the fact that after two years of lockdown it must be obvious to the blind that we have no democracy and our leaders do not care one wit about our wellbeing, much less that of the Ukrainians.
Did anyone actually believe the report on the hospital bombing was real? (in the photo) So funny how even intelligent people are still hypnotised. Even after the past 6 years. Especially after the past 2.
All of us, even those of us who arrogantly claim to be red pilled, are such ignorant and selfish fools.
Photos like this one?
Or this one?
Or this one?
Or this one?
Or this one?
Lastly, this one?
Further detail re. the ‘Curious Hospital Bombing’ https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/disarming-ukraine-day-15-a-curious-hospital-bombing-and-no-fly-zone-pressure.html#more
The pregnant women in question is a ‘beauty influencer’ (WTF is that – someone who pimps beauty products?) – and apparently the sole pregnant woman in this massive maternity hospital?
https://t.me/ssigny/10159
The building is a long main block with access road and ambulance parking on one side, and a large open area dotted with trees on the other. Why was she carried over the debris thown up by the explosion presumably all the way around the building rather than straight out the main door on the other undamaged side of the building?
Google earth/maps – 47° 9’3.53″N 37°36’30.82″E
Answers on a postcard to White Helmets Special Productions, Ukraine regional office.
The crater of the explosive device is massive, more in line with a Tochka-u short range ballistic missile than a bomb.
Former chess world champion Garry Kasparov has called for western forces to throw Russia “back to the Stone Age”.
Kasparov is a great chess player. But for many years he has been a fool in what he says about politics. Now he is a fool too in what he says about international relations. During the Stone Age there were hundreds of times fewer human beings on the planet than there are now. Throwing Russia back to the Stone Age would mean killing more than 99% of the population. That’s called genocide. Kasparov probably doesn’t mean that – at least I hope he doesn’t – but just as on the chess board he used to watch for example that he didn’t accidentally leave pieces en prise, he should be careful what he says at a time when we are teetering on the brink of nuclear (and biological) world war. He ought to be able to work out that that’s what the position is, if he follows what’s going on.
I don’t care how nasty anybody thinks Vladimir Putin is. There is no possible “justification” for genocide. As the child of an Armenian mother and a Jewish father, surely Kasparov understands something… Read more »
There has been no independent confirmation of the source of the missile that destroyed this hospital.
Now that most thinking people assume that everything the UK Government and Media say is propaganda – ( Covid hysteria, pro-vax and now anti Russian) we surely cannot believe anything they say.
This is what happens when you abandon honest, objective, reporting for censorship of the alternative viewpoint, while peddling pure propaganda and straight lies – shame really.
On the face of it the Ukrainian Far Right Extremists have more to in propaganda gain from a “False Flag” claim against Russia for this shocking event and it seems obvious that thee Russians have absolutely nothing to gain whatever from the shocking incident.
So what does the rational individual conclude?
I think for hypocrisy, warmongering and propaganda the West wins hands down!
To the point now where it is safer to believe absolutely nothing any western politician or media source says!
Exactly.
An example of Ukrainian democracy:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1501668838848536576?t=tgK4uTfDWh-27cbrTqx4Qg&s=19
Horrendous! Absolutely insane!
I notice a reply by Jake Morphonios in that twitter thread. I’ve been listening to his four-hour plus deep dive into Ukrainian politics past and present, and find him an excellent source of balanced and neutral information:
https://www.blackstoneintel.com/
Various of his viewers are complaining that his reporting is either pro-Ukrainian, pro-Russian or too centrist, so as far as I’m concerned he’s doing something right.
No.
The girl in the photo at the header of this article is identified here.
https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/russland-bombardiert-eine-geburtsklinik-marianna-und-die-neue-brutkastenluege/
Russia is indeed in breach of Article 2 of the UN Charter, as were the US and UK in Yugoslavia, and in Iraq. The latter two cases were merely the most obvious of numerous demonstrations that the US does not consider that the UN Charter rules on the use of force should apply to itself, since there has been no formal apology for any of these breaches, nor any punishment, nor even official signal of disapproval, of any of the perpetrators (Clinton, Blair, Bush, Cameron, Obama, …) The UK operates as basically a kind of extension or offshoot of the US ruling elite.
Brown seeks to argue that those breaches are not relevant to Russia’s current breach, basically because “two wrongs don’t make a right”. He relies heavily upon Russia’s supposed “breaches of laws and moral norms” without seemingly understanding that the law and norms he appeals to are simply not credible, precisely because they have been so flagrantly disregarded by those supposedly most “outraged” by Russia’s actions.
To begin where he begins, with the law, the UN Charter is fundamentally an agreement between the sovereign states that constitute the world on how conflicts are to be resolved, strictly restricting… Read more »
We should be clear that this destruction of the UN Charter as a control on the use of force need not have happened, and it was perpetrated by the US, specifically. The most guilty were Blair, Clinton and Bush, but most US and British leaders have confirmed it at one time or another.
So we are in a world, again, with no agreed and defined prohibition on the use of force between states, thanks to the US and UK regimes, and we are left to argue about the morality and/or necessity of each particular action without any firm legal framework. Inevitably, nations differ in their views on what is morally just or strategically necessary, and usually contest the very facts and interpretations on which the arguments of each side are based.
In such a world, certainly “two wrongs don’t make a right”, but equally those who have used force themselves to impose their will have no basis for pretending that doing so is inherently unacceptable.
The Russian argument, that ongoing NATO-isation of the Ukraine (in the context of NATO being a military alliance led by a superpower with an established track record of waging aggressive wars – on at… Read more »
“More importantly, there is a risk that this position could be used, wittingly or unwittingly, to disguise the frightening consequences of a multi-polar world in which, below the surface chop, powerful opposing currents flow. Freedom and self-determination, the rights and dignity of the individual, limits on the use of coercion and state sponsored violence are being contested. Go ahead and criticise the West when you think it justified – that is your right and perhaps even duty. But that is very different to insisting that the West disqualifies itself from the greater struggle and simply concedes these fundamental human principles on behalf of itself and the people of the world.”
This is especially comical, coming as it does alongside the descent of “the west” (properly described nowadays as “the US sphere”) into outright tyranny over covid, and the abandonment in much of “the west” of any pretence at respecting rights such as freedom of speech, bodily autonomy or rights of dissent. Much of the attack on these formerly core values comes precisely from “the west”, with its new woke, identitarian, climate alarmist ideological zealotry, just as the destruction of the law against the use of force came from “the west”.
… Read more »
Awesome and excellent comprehensive rebuttal of the awful hack piece/propaganda above the line.. Thank you.
2nd April 2003, British bombers attacked a maternity hospital in Bhagra. Blair took us into an illegal war. He got a Knighthood. Do please tell me the difference other than one was in an illegal war and the other is in a provoked war. People seem to want the rules to only work one way.
I fear that the next thing MSM will help to commit is accusation of Russia of using chemical weapons with all these bio labs and finger pointing etc. and an average Joe in the absence of any skeptical voices will swallow this lie readily and will excrete emotional outrage required of him.
Indeed, and now the “humanitarian” White Helmets, AKA the propaganda wing of Al-Qaeda; with experience in chemical weapon false flags, have arrived in Ukraine, this fear is all the more palpable.
It’s now becomming clear by events, and the weapons grade propaganda, the globalists are determined to drag us into WWIII.
The West’s Jihadists were carrying out chemical weapons false flag attacks in Syria.
I wonder if the same type of stunt will be carried out in Ukraine?
The MSM are certainly ‘laying the table’ for one with their programming.
‘Has the West Got a Leg to Stand On When it Complains of Putin’s Disregard for International Law and Other Moral Norms?.
I invoke Betteridge’s Law: Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.
I offer in evidence the last two years of Governments whose members committed crimes against Humanity against their own citizens including: child abuse; civil rights abuse; psychological warfare; forced/coerced medical experimentation murder; manslaughter .
Coincidentally (?) our attention is being misdirected from their immorality and crimes just as details of the truth surrounding their behaviour starts to emerge via a previously complicit media.
<posted on wrong article!>
I think you may have posted on the wrong thread
A detailed analysis in German of the Mariupol hospital pics and video and why it is most likely a false flag/lie.
Similar to the Iraqi baby incubator one.
With the same intention: to goad the public into accepting/demanding a further escalation and direct (NATO) involvement, aka WW3.
Anmerkung Stefan Korinth: Wenn diese Aktion dem Schema der Brutkastenlüge folgt, sollen westliche Gesellschaften damit für ein militärisches Eingreifen der NATO moralisch reif geschossen werden. https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/russland-bombardiert-eine-geburtsklinik-marianna-und-die-neue-brutkastenluege/
sounds like as if Toby regrets choosing skeptical position towards lockdowns/covid policies. he probably lost friends and he wants to be accepted back into mainstream by closing his eyes and ignoring screaming gaping holes in the mainstream media narrative. he wants to join the chorus of voices spouting vilification of russians and cancelling the whole population while ignoring the other side of the argument completely.
Toby didn’t write this article.
Still Toby’s position is not clear. Not questioning official narrative might meen agreeing. Also I must admit one needs to be very courageous to go against which looks like everyone.
For me, the more pressing point is the way our media is behaving. Their synchronised messages, their emotional charges, their demonising of those who oppose their latest campaign… it stinks to high heaven.
Everywhere you look now, the Ukrainian flag is shoved in your face. It joins the covid propaganda, the BLM and the LGBT rainbow flag. Football is now so swamped with degenerate political messaging that you can barely notice it is a sport anymore.
Indeed. Football is lost. I hope we don’t get any of this in the 6 Nations Rugby matches today and tomorrow, but we probably will.
You’ll get the usual ‘Rugby against racism’ blurb at the start of the broadcast, with the logo of two black hands shaking, which strikes me as pretty racist…….
Perhaps they will take both knees and dye their hair yellow and blue?
Donbass Lives Matter …
this message is for Toby especially. I used to read this site a lot for the comments being anti the covid and climate change MSM narratives. that does not mean I think they are wrong on everything. all the comments here make me wonder if I chose the wrong side on being anti vaccines etc.I do not want to be associated in any way with apologists for Russia’s naked aggression. there are lots of questions but the bottom line for me is I believe Russia invaded and it is not a show being collusion with US/NATO/WEF. on that basi I find it necessary to oppose Russia’s invasion, and trying to justify it is misguided at best although I could use much stronger words
“I do not want to be associated in any way with apologists for Russia’s naked aggression”
How is posting on an open forum where all views are allowed “associating”? If you take that approach to its logical conclusion, you’d never discuss anything with anyone you disagree with. DS has featured views from all sides WRT to Ukraine, and BTL posters have put their views across freely, as you are free to express your views. This is what freedom of speech looks like – but hardly anyone believes in it.
I find it necessary to oppose the genocide that’s been going on in The Donbass for 8 years. I wish the west haddn’t supported it, but they did.
I find it necessary to oppose funding and training of openly Neo Nazi groups in Ukraine, because it will come to our doorsteps once the dust settle in Ukraine. I wish the west haddn’t supported it, but they did.
I find it necessary to oppose interference in a soverign state by anybody. I wish the west didn’t practice it, but they do, often, all around the world.
I oppose war, but if war is the only way an end to the genocide, and put an end to Neo Nazi incubation and encouragement, it seems the lessor of the two evils, given the west seems unwilling to do it, I’m glad that somebody else is attempting it.
Putin could have easily stopped the encroachment of NATO, the EU and the UN into a position threatening Russia’s borders without invading Ukraine, by only lifting one finger to shut off gas supplies to Europe.
It would likely have killed millions and impoverished the whole of Europe, but at least he needn’t invade Ukraine.
Any alternative solutions to securing Russia’s national security beyond those two, after decades of negotiation would, I’m sure, be gratefully received by Mr. Putin.
‘all the comments here make me wonder if I chose the wrong side on being anti vaccines etc.’
Are you really unable to comprehend that the covid19 vaccines and the Russia/Ukraine conflict are two totally different issues?
Has the West Got a Leg to Stand On When it Complains of Putin’s Disregard for International Law and Other Moral Norms?
Not just No., but Hell No.
The first 60 comments by the well informed regulars, every single one of them, all make better points than the main article. I stand with all of you beautiful people.
The editorial staff at TDS really should be forced to watch the full series of
Roses Have Thorns – Casualties of the Ukrainian Revolution
A comprehensive 17-part series covering the war in Ukraine from the
start of the Euromaidan protests late 2013. Events are presented without
commentary in chronological order, relying solely on raw footage, news
reports, witness interviews and official statements.
https://www.watchdogmediainstitute.com/p/blog-page.html
Its a lot to get though, ~26 hours in total. If you don’t come away from that with a feeling of relief that someone finally decided to do something to put an end to the genocide thats been going on in the Donbass for 8 years since the western funded Maidan putch, there’s something seriously wrong with you.
If we (anyone, even Putin) doesn’t stop the rise of the far right Neo Nazis in this country,… Read more »
The photo used in this article is pure propaganda.. sickening.. how low can you get.. That hospital was abandoned in late February and taken over by Ukranian Neo-Nazi soldiers. These are exactly the same hospital tricks the West were playing in Syria using the White Helmets aka Al Qaeda..
Expect a spectacular false flag soon..
So what do our supposed Masters do after the despicable Covid fraud.. “What better solution than to pull out the guns when you feel that the current system controlled by banks and an elite cadre is at its tipping point? And that the people have some reluctance? From covid to Ukraine, isn’t it the same war?”
Quelle meilleure solution que de sortir les armes quand on sent que le système actuel contrôlé par les banques et une élite est à son point de basculement ? Et que le peuple a quelques réticences ? Du covide à l’Ukraine, n’est-ce pas la même guerre ?
An excellent article taken from AgoraVox. If you don’t read French use a translator.
https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/nous-sommes-en-guerre-depuis-240056
The ‘real’ world we are up against..
This is Western propaganda masquerading as objective and impartial analysis. I think the writer has targeted the wrong audience.
Take for example: “clear evidence of women and children being targeted and killed”
Even using MSM figures it is obvious to anyone with a modicum of mathematical intelligence that this is not the case.
Based on an estimated 2 million refugees that have now left Ukraine, and the number of civilian casualties at around 500, this represents 0.025%.
Does that really look like a percentage showing civilians are being targeted and killed?
Perhaps the writer might also want to explain why “On December 16, 2021, only the US and Ukraine voted against a United Nations resolution condemning the “glorification of Nazism,” while the United Kingdom, EU, Australia, NZ and Canada abstained.”
Another obvious lie is “It is the near universality of the response that provides it’s practical and moral force.”
There is very little overt condemnation of Russia outside the Western sphere. The writer’s ignorance and arrogance is telling here, essentially saying that the West represents “universality”.
A despicable article with an equally appalling picture. Ah yes, The Mirror – can anyone remind me if they’ve ever previously produced fake front… Read more »
Excellent post.. I agree entirely..
Yes. Piers Morgan ( spit ) @ Daily Mirror : May 2004 – during the invasion of a sovereign nation by UK / US et al, all based on lies …
Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan was sacked last night as the newspaper’s board finally accepted that pictures purporting to show British soldiers abusing an Iraqi prisoner were fakes.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/mirror-editor-morgan-sacked-over-fake-photos-1.1140560