Net Zero is the new Brexit, “where Parliament is so hopelessly out of touch with the country”, Nigel Farage has said. The Telegraph‘s Michael Deacon agrees: as people realise the true cost of eco-zealotry they are turning against it. Here’s an excerpt.
Nigel Farage would have been well suited to the job [of newspaper editor], because he possesses an almost uncannily sharp news sense. That is, he has a special knack for identifying issues that matter to ordinary people yet have been missed or dismissed by those who grandly assume they know better. Free movement, for example, or the small boats. He was banging on about these problems long before most of his rivals grasped the true scale of their salience. In short: like an experienced editor, he always seems to know what the next big story is going to be.
All of which is why I think it would be a grave mistake for his opponents to ignore his latest comments about Net Zero. Speaking to the Sun on Sunday, Mr Farage said: “This could be the next Brexit, where Parliament is so hopelessly out of touch with the country.”
The Reform leader’s foes seem convinced that, in fact, he’s the one who’s out of touch. Look at the polls, they scoff. According to the Observer, “Polling experts believe the attacks on Net Zero could backfire on Reform”, because “the policy is overwhelmingly supported by the public”.
Hmm. I wouldn’t be so sure. Many people may indeed have told pollsters that they support Net Zero. But are we quite certain that they meant it?
Personally, I tend to feel that, if you really want to know whether the public supports Net Zero, the question to ask is not, “Do you support Net Zero?” Instead, the question to ask is: “To help achieve Net Zero, what sacrifices would you personally be willing to make? Would you be willing to give up flying? How much more would you be willing to pay in green taxes? Exactly how much poorer are you willing to be? And, given that Britain is responsible for less than 1% of the planet’s annual greenhouse gas emissions, how much difference do you think it would make to global temperatures even if this country somehow achieved Net Zero tomorrow? Oh, and before you answer: did you see the FT headline from February, which read: ‘China’s Construction of Coal-Fired Power Plants Reaches Highest in a Decade’?”
Even asking those questions, however, wouldn’t necessarily lead us to the truth. Because public opinion isn’t always what it seems.
For years before the EU referendum, polls consistently gave the impression that the British public had very little interest in the EU, one way or the other. A week before the 2015 general election, for example, Ipsos asked the public what it considered to be the most important issues facing Britain. The EU didn’t even make the top 10.
Yet, just a little over one year later, 17.4 million people voted to leave the EU. This suggests one of two things. Either a very large number of voters had always held rather stronger views about the EU than they were willing to admit to pollsters. Or, once they were finally forced to consider the issue in real depth, they swiftly formed views that were an awful lot stronger than the ones they’d held before.
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Of course not and nor will the organisations who went along with it
No chance, as, apart from anything else, the UK is so deeply in hock to/owned by the Chinese and CCP it’s impossible. I also think that, as in the good old days of the USSR, various parts of the British Establishment and other sections of society are now thoroughly infiltrated by CCP “fellow travellers”.
Which is a very sorry state of affairs indeed if so – though I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. But our loyalties – first and foremost – should be to Britain and our British way of life.
“British way of life.”
Is that to do with illusions subservience and gullibility?
Sorry – but the last year has been a corrective to such glib phrases.
Not a parallel.
The CCP have infiltrated everywhere including academia and of course, most notably, Imperial College .If it’s not the CCP doing the infiltrating, it’s the Russians (ex KGB agent and son own the paper edicted by George Osborne) , the Saudis, the Emiratis or the Qataris.
Imperial College (and perhaps many other UK universities) are likely also financially dependent on the high tuition fees paid by Chinese students.
CCP didn’t hold a gun to their heads here in the West.
Our “leaders” embraced this shit show willingly, eagerly in fact!
They don’t work for us anymore and neither does the media..
#GlobalMafia #ShockDoctrine #WMDmedia
#WarOnDrugs -> #WarOnTerror -> #WarOnVirus = #WarOnYou
Obvious question: what happens if the virus was indeed engineered in the lab, part funded by the US taxpayer, and signed off by Fauci – as stated by Tucker Carlson last Friday evening.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6255459477001?playlist_id=5198073478001#sp=show-clips
8 minute clip. See especially 7:15-7:45
Carlson wouldn’t have said this without every syllable of his wording being put past teams of lawyers.
Or knowing that Revolver, War Room and the National Pulse have been all over this for a year and the net is closing in. Americans are far more feisty and prepared to fight for their country than UK now is.
Or that the UK’s Pirbright Institute was conducting animal disease research at the same lab.
And the evil Chinese Regime forced lockdown on everybody, going even as far as killing leaders who opposed lockdown, or running regime change ops against them. Then creating all the variants used to enforce continued lockdown.
If Iran can be found guilty of causing 911, then I am 100% certain the it can be found ‘with high probability’ that the evil Chinese regime was responsible for all of this.
There have been sewage & blood donor samples both in Europe and elsewhere showing sars-cov2 in circulation at least as early as july/aug 2019. This doesn’t fit with the timeline, but there are many labs around the world doing this kind of research both overt and covert.
Many have pointed to the military games held in Wuhan as a possible spread point. Could it have come from a Chinese lab and then “circled around”? Sure, I’m just saying there are many candidates. Some data even suggests China was struggling with “something” and shut down large industrial areas months before Wuhan outbreak. It’s too early to tell what the origin story of this virus is.
There are lots of interests at the top to Blame China in this new Cold War. Sure they might be guilty for the release, but what followed is the real crime of the century. This is the natural progression of the War on Terror which is really about a War against their own population. ISIS/Al-Qaeda is no threat to them, We Are! #WarOnYOU #GlobalMAFIA
I picked up a virus via transit in Charles de Gaulle airport in July 2019. It had all the hallmarks of covid19 – took me months to recover – there were times when I had so much difficulty breathing I thought I was going to die. I know of others living in France at the same time who had something similar. Doesn’t fit the Wuhan time line but I also have read the research saying the virus was being picked up in waste water treatment plants in Spain and Italy around the same time and of course, viruses do not respect physical borders. If I had covid 19, and it is difficult to believe that I didn’t, then I have immunity.
I haven’t read in full, but I have thought about this since it was discussed on LBC a couple of weeks ago.
First of all, this likely wasn’t China acting alone. There is increasing evidence of US involvement (specifically one Dr Fauci. Fox News has reported extensively on this), with funding of gain of function research in the Wuhan lab. Are we going to castigate them too?
Second, I don’t believe it was deliberate. Lab leaks happen in the best run facilities. And Wuhan had already had several safety breaches. It would not be surprising for them to have an accident. Indeed, it should have been expected.
Third, and most importantly, although the virus has undoubtedly killed people, so do many other viruses every year, whether novel or not. We don’t attribute blame to the infected or their country of origin. What is unprecedented in this instance is the complete overreaction. WE CANNOT BLAME THE CHINESE FOR OUR UTTER STUPIDITY.
There is no reason for reparations or boycott of any type based in the virus (plenty of reason for boycott for human rights abuses but that is a different matter). We could have chosen to take the route of sanity and do a Sweden. We could have continued to treat people in hospitals and avoided a wave of death in care homes. We could have kept schools, the economy, travel open. We could have just treated patients rather that chase down experimental dodgy vaccines. All this was our own doing. None of it necessary. All our own fault.
(not people here obviously,…but our dim witted cowardly government, our hysterical media and our thick as pig shit innumerate population and their complete inability to assess risk appropriately)
One uptick, and a thousand more. Thank you.
Agreed, great stuff!
Of course we could hit China in the pocket by no longer importing facemasks, teat kits etc. Oh wait . . .
Fair points … but … if they were indeed doing gain-of-function work doesn’t that change the level of blame?
It’s one thing to be a bit stupid with a bat and catch a nasty bug that then gets out. It’s another thing to actually develop that bug and then be stupid enough to let it get out.
Put simply, isn’t gain-of-function work immoral? And isn’t it even more immoral to try to cover it up? Whether it’s China or the US?
I’m not sure it’s immoral: I’m sure Fauci would argue he was doing it for good reasons. But Obama banned it because it was dangerous (there were lab leaks in the US), so I would certainly say it was reckless and short sighted.
But anyway, my point is that the US is is just as much to blame, They decided to do it anyway, but just not in the US. They could have picked anywhere but China made the most sense (home of the bats, some good virologists, short on ethics).
I’m not sure what reasons there might be for engineering a virus with spike proteins to make it specifically infectious for humans?
I have no knowledge of the subject of course, but I do struggle to comprehend what might be gained from this. And even if here were potential gains, shouldn’t they have been balanced against risk?
Perceptions are everything in a blame-game of course, rather than technical actualities.
Virologists argue that viruses are constantly changing and that they need to practice on the worst possible examples. It’s not a strong argument , but it lets them play with and develop a number of different powerful tools.
Incidentally, these tools are generally available to the public, if you know what to ask for. And the equipment needed to operate then can be found in every kitchen.
Because they emerge anyway (SARS, MERS, plus the 4 endemic ones) and if you know how to stop them, next time we get one emerge, we know how to make a vaccine.*
Only now we know spike protein only vaccines have thrombosis risk, and adenovirus vector vaccines have VITT risk. And there may be more risks. Seems like it would have been nice to not let the virus lose and have enough time to make a safe vaccine rather than this shit show. Especially as we didn’t particularly need one for a virus that was only marginally deadly.
Fauci destroyed the career of one of the most eminent virologists in 2003 over SARS and Foot and Mouth. She knew what he was doing. Neil Fergusson was also involved. Judy Mikovitch warned Bobby Kennedy jnr what was happening and that trials were due in India and Africa. Kennedy’s charity followed the Gates Foundation down to India and found they were sterilising women under the guise of Polio injections.
David Icke picked it up. As did a few other journalists. Media was bought out by the Globalists (Soros, Gates, Rockerfeller) all involved with CCP. If you look back you will know that CCP destroyed one third of their population with the one child policy. It caused unbelievable heartache and cruelty with baby girls being destroyed. Now China has more men than women, hence the large military complex and their desire to rule the world. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
I think you mean Judy Mikovits
The reasons pouted are the usual ones used for so long concerning nuclear, biological and chemical warfare research, namely, the other side might be developing them so we have to be prepared so we can enact counter measures.
Why Fauci would then fund the CCP to do it suggests either a level of derangement of staggering proportions, treason or a conspiracy larger than we are able to conceive of.
I suggest people start doing more research into Fauci, possibly starting with Judy Mikovitz, his one – time colleague and possibly his greatest critic. Hint – don’t use Google.
Bio warfare. Lab works for CCP and army. Makes it all the more staggering that Fauci facilitated the gain of function work.
Does any one on here think that our hands are clean?
Anyone heard of that little secret place in Wiltshire called Portondown?
Start listeni g to The National Pulse and reading Revolver. You will be surprised what decent investigative journalism turns up. This was planned. The CCP are in on it. They and Bill Gates are the biggest funders of WHO.
“I’m not sure what reasons there might be for engineering a virus with spike proteins to make it specifically infectious for humans?”
To link with a psy-ops process and do exactly what’s been done.
Not backing that theory – but it is a rational explanation.
I too wonder what possible “benefits” there could be to “gain of function” work on a virus. And as for having had “lab leaks” in the past – that being the case then neither China nor the US can be absolved in this whole mess. If your have had leaks in the past all the more incumbent on you to make TRIPLE sure there are no more leaks when the consequences of the same can be so toxic on such a scale.
It is immoral and it didn’t escape. WEF have had their depopulation plan on the internet for many years. Everyone can look up the Bill Gates interviews where he positively grins at the thought. Everyone can pick up the Bobby Kennedy reports regarding experimentation in India and Africa. We are just very lazy a out doing our research. We rely on the lies of the media. When we did here of this heinous plan we laughed at the people telling us. We called them Conspiracy Theorists and Fruitcakes…..remember. Instead we should have researched what they were telling us.
Oh so true. Yet the West will want to point fingers at the Wast to divert away the fact they were duped and complicit in this whole charade.
They didn’t deliberately let it out of a facility where leaks are guaranteed? This is immoral, sadly this is also human, how can you ever trust a country not to develop weapons, you can’t so you have to do it too.
In my view, what would be immoral would be if the virus was deliberately engineered to cause harm, or was deliberately released.
I don’t think either is the case. Though I think leaks were virtually guaranteed, I doubt those working in them did. Maybe Fauci didn’t either. Hubris and tunnel vision seem to be a defining characteristics of a great number of scientists, from China, the US and all other countries.
How and why do you arrive at this conclusion ? I realise it was just your opinion, but what facts do you have to back it up ? It was confirmed by several in-house scientists that the work was being done on gain-of-function as early as 2018 and if this work was in fact being done there’s only one reason why they’d do it, isnt there ?
No there are 2 reasons as cited above:
1) bioweapon. Not sure the US would be partnering with China on this though
2) To understand the corona family of viruses better to make a SARS type virus vaccine
I am Inclined to believe the latter, no matter how misguided, because I believe most people are not evil. I do believe lots are fucking stupid though, yet convinced of their own intelligence. Fauci would be one.
However some people ARE evil as this whole shitshow has proved
Superb comment – completely agree.
Couldn’t agree more.
Thank you,Sophie 123.
I’m wirh you on this one.
I join others commending this excellent comment.
Absolutely spot on!
There have been tragic deaths caused by the ‘flu – like disease but the numbers would appear to be not unusually high for a ‘flu season and we have seen enough evidence that these numbers were being inflated. Handled properly this should have been a relatively normal winter disease.
The damage has been done by the disproportionate response perpetrated by our governments. The WHO and CDC have a history of exaggerating deaths attributable to ‘flu to keep up vaccination numbers which generally have been flagging. I think there’s little doubt that the same forces were at work here but must have been stunned by the effectiveness of their efforts.
Add to that the brazen ramping up of fear as soon as politicians realised that tough measures are a vote winner and the venality of the people who have profited from the satellite industry of protection and PCR and now the injections.
None of this can be laid at the feet of the CCP. Look in the mirror, Britain.
We are not blaming the Chinese, or we shouldn’t be. We are exposing the CCP and the fact that the Globalists (American Democrat Party) have been hand in glove for many years. So has Blair followed by Cameron, MI5 and much of Europe. Ever since the Clinton regime the Western Governments have been selling out their people. Clinton/Blair were a dream team for the CCP and the Globalists.
the National Pulse and War Room have been trying to get this story to the mainstream for a year. Anyone listening to any MSM has been hoodwinked from the start of this scam. It was always about the Democrat h a t e for Trump because he was bringing back jobs, talking peace, making free grade deals. The globalists and CCP saw their depopulation agenda being derailed and had to bring it forward. 2030 had to be 2020/21. Any decent investigative journalist could have brought this to the general public a year ago. As did Natalie Winters on the NP.
The question is why didn’t they and why did Boris (supposedly a Conservative) support Biden, The Democrat Party, WHO and WEF and let President Trump (a true Conservative) be demonised. The UK Government should have stood by its oldest ally and conservatism. Once again it chose to throw its people and its closest friends to the wolves. The consequences we, the people, now face are going to be horrendous. We should have been stronger and more curious as to why we are being constantly told something our eyes could see was wrong. It seems to me we have become a soft socialist nation. To reliant on big bureaucratic government that is unaccountable.
Thank goodness for the young American Republicans. This would never be known if it wasn’t for their patriotism
There is an issue with China in that it restricted movement within and from Wuhan, but did nothing to stop international travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world.
They also lied about the virus, its infectivity, transmission, etc.
It is quite true that some corrupt actors within the U.S. were involved with research into gain of function of viruses, especially Fauci.
Western leaders and media seemed eager to take the CCP at their word. They also believed the CCP propaganda, or possibly chose to believe it because it suited their other purposes.
The West will never hold China to account, or anyone else. They have hollowed out their own military, so military action is out of the question. They’ve undermined their economies by sucking up to China. They’re up to their necks in corruption.
Spot on, great post!
Will the US be held accountable for funding the labs and this gain of function research.
Why wasn’t it done in the US under US regulation?
Because Obama banned it in 2014. There was a really good Fox News clip that explained it all. It wasn’t Tucker Carlson. Someone posted it here the other day. I can’t find it now.
Didn’t completely ban it though, by the looks of things:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/obama-gave-infamous-wuhan-lab-millions-in-taxpayer-money
yes that was what I read a long time ago.
The US has outsourced its bioweapons research to third party countries with lower regulatory protection. There is a massive DTRA project that has labs in resorce-rich countries of Afria, and countries bordering Russia/China. They have even collected DNA of ethic Russian/Chinese.
An old map of countries hosting known DTRA labs
Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, a Bulgarian journalist who exposed the ISIS weapon ratruns, has also done a lot of work in this area. The DTRA labs are operated outside control of the host country, and the associated US scientists are given full diplomatic immunity.
http://thealtworld.com/author/dilyana_gaytandzhieva
China dropped the test tube, seems the US paid for it!
Now the UK get’s to pay for it too, yippie
I think this is missing the point, unless it was deliberate which seems unlikely
If it is true and they lied about it, they should be held to account for lying and for any deception practised thereafter in their rather theatrical measures that may have been designed to deceive
But regardless of the origin of c19 by far the biggest share of the blame must be attributed to the leaders and other institutions of most countries, who were either monstrously stupid or wicked or both
It’s important to establish the origin to learn lessons but the danger is that it serves as a distraction to let the PM and the rest of the shower off the hook
I agree with Julian, the damage caused has been as a result of countries hysterical overreaction to the threat, no doubt caused in part by the WHO and Fauci saying that the IFR was 3.4. We now know that that it’s on average 0.15. In other words a bad flu although the IFR is admittedly higher in older age groups. That governments worldwide followed the CCP model is down to their blind stupidity and a ‘monkey see monkey do mentality’ . Apologies to monkeys!
No. They downgraded Covid on 19th March 2020 due to low overall mortality rates. Don’t let them off the hook by saying they were confused like Cummings is claiming. Ioannidis announced in April his findings of 0.1% mortality. Players within the government who do not have our best interests at heart have engineered this. Your country is being destroyed. This is how they do it. They fuck everything up and fiull the place with incompetent tossers. Notice how Oxford and Imperia and the BBC are now enemies of the British people.
Who got Tommy Robinson the gig at Oxford Uni by the way? Whoever it was, they are part of the problem
Status of COVID-19
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.
The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.
The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID
Anyone feigning ignorance to this is a fucking liar
Michael Senger has been writing about this. Theory being that CV-19 has been found in Europe as far back as March 2019. So if it was a leak it was well before Nov 2019 in Wuhan.
He suggests the lab leak narrative is being allowed to flow by the CCP. So it could be another psy op.
No. If there was a chance that China would be held to account, governments and authorities would take the investigation into the origins of this pandemic more seriously. But they don’t. Either because they know where it came from and they don’t want it to be revealed, or they simply don’t care about its provenance. Either way, no one will do anything.
What were they singing after a religious zealot blew up 23 people and injured 800 more in Manchester, a lot of them children? “Don’t look back in anger…” I have a feeling they’ll be singing the same thing before too long.
God, what a sad pathetic spectacle….sadly, all too typical of Toby Young’s “Lockdown Sceptics” – which I think, at this point, all well-intentioned, honest people should be urging to be closed down. I for one am not going to be posting here any more, any more than I will be on similar “gatekeeper”, “controlled opposition” forums like UnHerd or Talk Radio.
I mean seriously, how stupid and gullible are you people? OF COURSE they are rolling out the “it was created in a Chinese lab” story at this point. And yes, it IS being rolled out by THEM, the very same people who have been pushing and maintaining the whole “pandemic” lie these last 18 months. Because this first lie has by now had all the juice squeezed out of it. Excess mortality figures, the thousand different revelations of the thousand different forms of figures-fiddling are on the point of snapping even the most hypnotized, stultified sheeple out of their trance.
So what’s the latest trick to keep this going? The old Bre’er Rabbit trick, of course: “PLEASE don’t throw me in the briar patch!”
“Oh PLEASE don’t throw us in the briar patch,” screech Anthony Fauci and Chris Whitty and the WHO and the London School of Hygiene, “PLEASE don’t make us admit that the terrible plague that has killed MILLIONS and forced us, against our will, to make everyone dependent on the state came from a lab in China that we helped to fund. PLEASE don’t make us admit it. That would just do us TOO MUCH DAMAGE.”
But Rand Paul and Tucker Carlson and the “prize-winning novelist” who was paid by the government to write this disingenuous bilge and Toby Young who’s being paid by the government to publish it are PRINCIPLED AND RELENTLESS MEN. They just pick up Fauci and co and HEAVE them right into that briar patch and then they start opening bottle of champers to celebrate what brave, acute, insightful, principled investigative journalists they are.
But what’s this? Something not quite right here. Fauci and co. have stopped kicking and whining and in fact they’re looking really quite comfortable in their briar patch. They’re actually SMILING. And what’s this they’re saying? “Well, you certainly got the better of US, Messrs Paul, Carlson, Young and co. We certainly were very reluctant to admit that the terrible plague that’s killed millions came from CHINA but you were relentless, you forced us to. Which, of course – let us point out just in passing – means that you, on your side, have withdrawn and recanted all that nonsense you’ve been printing about there not having really been anything properly described as a pandemic at all these past 18 months. I mean, if COVID 19 is not only something that came out of China but a SOUPED-UP GAIN-OF-FUNCTION SUPER-VIRUS that came out of China then EVERYTHING THE BBC AND THE GUARDIAN AND CNN AND EVERY TYRANNICAL FEAR-PORN-MONGERING GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SAYING ABOUT IT THIS LAST YEAR IS TRUE and not the cynical self-serving lie that many of you seemed to be doing pretty well demonstrating it was. So, sure, we’ll accept that we were partly to blame for unleashing a TERRIBLE PLAGUE THAT THREATENS ALL LIFE ON THIS PLANET. Provided YOU accept that we are living through a TERRIBLE PLAGUE THAT THREATENS ALL LIFE ON THIS PLANET. But if THAT’s the case, then back on with your muzzles, Messrs Young and co and back in your kennels. WE HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE. You just admitted yourselves that we are at the mercy of a SOUPED-UP GAIN-OF-FUNCTION SUPER-VIRUS that could wipe out all life on earth”
Where it came from and what it does are different things. A lab enhanced virus isn’t necessarily more dangerous than a natural one – it just sounds it, to some people.
We have masses of data on what the SARS-COV-2 virus does and doesn’t do to humans. We know how dangerous it is, or isn’t.
Anyway, getting at the truth matters. Did it come from the lab or not, and was it enhanced? These are legitimate questions that need answers, not mere cards to be played in a psy-op.
It “came from” various places, you contemptible smug little moron. It came from offices attached to medical facilities or governmental departments all over the world, in which compliant office clerks took the hint from compliant senior office clerks and put a number that, two years ago, they would have put in a column marked “flu” in a column marked “COVID 19”. It “came from” a million TV broadcasts and Instagram posts and newspaper and website articles which all told the lies they were paid to tell or were too lazy to make the minimal effort required to establish that the lies were lies.
In short, to answer, in terms you can maybe understand, you and every other FUCKING MORON on here who can’t seem to grasp what I’m saying:
THERE IS NO VIRUS AND NEVER WAS ONE
The Chinese created or released nothing….because there was nothing to create or release. This WHOLE THING has just been transparent, childish lies from the very beginning.
You are probably correct in what you say – there’s plenty of new and not-so-new research questioning the very existence of viruses – and if it did exist it was gone by April last year.
I also believe that the possibility that the government used Covid as a pretext for implementing a long-standing pandemic plan as a vehicle for a power grab does exist.
People are so brain-washed by the media, how are you going to get them to believe that the government has been lying from the start? I continually read and hear evidence from scientists listing the built – in dangers of the vaccine but I still have a problem believing it’s a genocidal plot to kill billions. I think the venality of our politicians and the rapacity of multinationals and pharma are enough to explain what’s going on. To me it doesn’t make sense that they want to wipe out a few billion humans.
I suppose we’ll know in a couple of years.
Anyone wanting to be red-pilled should listen to Dolores Cahill, Judy Mikovitz and Mike Yeaton for starters and then read “Dissolving Illusions” by Humphries and Bystrianyk. And Don’t Google anything.
It “came from” various places, you contemptible smug little moron.
End of conversation. Didn’t even read the rest of your post.
STOP shouting at us.
I can’t work out your point or points. Where do you think it came from?
They are saying that even now you are being strung along. They want you to think that it was a lab leak. Consider that for a second then ask yourself who benefits?
You are incoherent. Try forming a proper argument and stop calling people morons.
I think the point he/she is making is that the lab thing is a false flag. He/she is saying there never was a virus, the whole thing was a ‘paper exercise’ to achieve a goal
Not saying I agree with him/her but anything I have heard or seen from March 2020 has been fed to me through the media. Is any of it true?
And you are a featherbrained little flibbertigibbet who has become the “website pet” on this one because your wishy-washy, fence-sitting “resistance lite” dovetails perfectly into the lily-livered, “one-foot-in-the-establishment / one-foot-in-“speaking-truth-to-power”” fake ideology of Young’s little sandbox.
I thought you were leaving and not posting here more? Please do and don’t let the door hit you on the way out, as you are obviously too stupid to be civil.
‘Something not quite right here.’
Yes, that is my gut feeling too. Am I right in saying that the virus has never been isolated? if that is the case, does it actually exist?
It raised alarm bells with me that every single symptom going was attributed to covid19. There was a monumental list of them! Not a definitive list that you get with every other illness.
And you are right about that scumbag, Fauci. He is going around wearing a beatific expression of his face as if he is Jesus reincarnate. Something not adding up with this lab leak. I feel we are being played yet again.
Maybe we should get our own house in order first – this governments reaction has been completely disproportionate to the threat – in many instances the response has been bordeline totalitarianism.
Borderline?How much more totalitarian can you get than imprisoning and terrorising the entire population?
No.
Off topic has anybody seen this headline…
Brilliant’ BBC Radio Newcastle presenter Lisa Shaw who was ‘wonderful wife and mum’ dies aged 44 after short illness.. ”
One of the comments states that she died following issues with blood clots 2weeks after receiving a covid jab…
Just wondered if anyone could clarify because I’m darn sure the msm wont.
Was that comment in the Daily Mail?
Yes, it was in the comments section allegedly from a friend of the family.
No but I did wonder what she died of. Always suspicious when no cause given these days.
I was really upset to find out that one of the staff in our local corner shop has suddenly died from a heart attack. He was healthy and slim. And had just had the vaccine.
I assumed when I had heard she had died of “A short illness in hospital” that it was cancer because that phrasing is usually the euphemism for it
The case of Stephanie Dubois will doubtless be worth keeping an eye on too. These side-effects are very rare proportionally, but with near 100% vaccination and near 0% prevalence there will come a time, if has not already passed, when the absolute number of side-effects outweighs the number of virus effects.
My personal opinion is that whatever the deployed pathogen is, it is just as likely to have been created in a western level4 biolab.
The source is not relevant. The real issue is the political weapon of mass destruction imposed by western governments. Psychological torture aside, the UK has put the taxpayer on the hook for £370 billion and counting. Most of it has gone into bribing people to go along with the totalitarian regime and to insiders who are looting the system.
Covid19 has an IFR of 0.15%, so any damage has been self inflicted. Covid19 is not a scary virus, it’s just like the flu for mortality. Government policy has damaged the UK, not Covid19. We have a bunch of dickheads in Westminster, they are fucking morons, I am not impressed by a single one of them. Not even a tiny little bit. KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov gave the West a warning of what was coming and spoke of how his job in the KGB was to recruit narcisistic self centred vacuous pricks who will do anything for their career progression or ego. Useful idiots. We have 650 useful idiots in Westminster. I believe we nearly always have a stock of compromised nonces in there too in positions of power. The real government is not the politicans, they are useless idiots not capable of running a bath, let alone a government, but behind the scenes, that’s where the real power is. We don’t get to know who these people are. The 7/7 Report springs to mind. Penned by an anonymous Civile Servant. All swept under the carpet. Nothing to see here. Okaaay.
Starmer seems more interested in serving the Israel Lobby than the British people (and he has staff from Israeli intelligence as well which is a bit weird) and Bojo also has very strong ties to Israel. Soviet Israel. The there is Prit Patel and the secret trips to Israel, she got busted, then she landed one of the most powerful jobs in the country in the Bojo government. Doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t trust her and I don’t like her either. I don’t like the influence she is having on this country. Her name is on the Coronavirus Act for example. The most Orwellian bit of legislation. Then the new Soviet Union bill or whatever it’s called, the one where they can commit any crime they want. What? Her influence seems to be to turn the UK into a police state. Who is calling the shots here?
How many moles paid by foreign intel agencies are working in Westminster making sure we keep making stupid mistakes and essentially destroy our own culture and become a Communist country? We know about Shai Masot and “The Lobby” politican takedown conspiracy for example. UK is a testbed and cash cow for Israeli tech sector. Israel running all the CCTV that went down on 7/7 in the buses and underground. Nothing to see here. That’s a conspiracy theory. Switch brain down.
Where is the Army protecting this country? Oh they’re being turned against normal Brits, who use their brains. 77th Brigade. And they’re helping to carry out the Corona scam against the people of this country’s interests. They’re shoving swabs up British kids’ noses….weaponised swabs. And now they’re all force vaccinating each other with something which could make them ALL very ill. Good one! Who made that a reality? Are we going down the road of the US next, where you are labelled a domestic terrorist for being a real patriot who sees the fucking lies and bullshit and actually stands up for your country, as you watch everyone around you, friends and family, become dribbling braindead morons?
“You gave your critical infrastructure to Soviet Israel!” Brendon O Connell
They should tear this 5G network down tomorrow. Are we having Chinese 5G? Designed in Israel, Made In China? That’s your future, right there. Your shit, Commie future. It’s no accident that the vaccine passports were spawned in Israel. Command and control .And Israelis seem to be getting a bad deal here too. This is nothing against them, we’re all brothers, we the people. It’s the higher ups who are causing all the problems, the people are fine. There seems to be no true English people left, they’ve all turned into dumbfucks. I’ve watched it happen in slow motion since 9/11. I have no friends and I am proud to say that. I don’t want friends like modern day Brits, they’re gonners.
No true English person would do this to this country. All the weaponised wireless everywhere, lining the schools and supermarkets with this crap, irradiating everyone, the constant removal of rights and freedom and ramping up of the odious security.industry everywhere you go. The new NHS Nazi app. Nice. But a bought and paid for bunch of stooges would. Moles would. And do not under estimate the power of the Epstein network. We reportedly have a bunch of nonces in our ranks, deviants, some of who have very possibly been compromised by Epstein or some other similar players (Savile). They recruit useful idiots and deviants who can be manipulated in return for being able to live out their sick desires. It’s a dirty business.
Regarding the CCP here is a good paper highlighting China’s role in the Corona scam.
The Chinese Communist Party’s Global Lockdown Fraud
https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b
China has become so big thanks in no small part to the fact that Israel has been gleaning tech from US high technology via “co-operation” agreements BIRD, BARD and BSF. They’re collapsing the West
Interesting point regarding Epstein. Seems like he and Bill Gates were a bit too chummy for comfort. That interview with Bill Gate’s arms flailing about all over the place. ‘I’m telling you it was nothing but my body language is telling you it was something.’
The best place to see all these insidious links is UK Column., and of course Mr. Icke..
It’s like Levi’s, Adidas, etc Made in China, designed in the USA. Newsweek had revealed the ties a year ago, between the Wuhan lab and Faucci funding. A couple of weeks ago, Faucci was exposed by Rand Paul in the Congress. So What If Mr Faucci is the director and co-producer?
https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741
An English newspaper headline supposedly once read, “Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off”. Would China notice anything England did to bring China to account?
Almost all the damage in the West caused by the Covid-19 virus has been self-inflicted, so I don’t see China being held accountable for much. Politicians in the West may make noises about the Chinese labs in order to deflect from their own culpability, but that’s all it will be: Deflection.
As a second attempt to try to clear some of the fug of own-foot-shooting stupidity that’s making the atmosphere in Young’s little “controlled-opposition” sandbox unbreathable for anyone actually concerned to oppose what is being done to us right now, let me submit this for your consideration. I see that Rand Paul is the Hero of the Hour for many of you who feel this “Wuhan lab gain-of-function” theory is “at least worth exploring”. Let me direct your attention to Rand Paul’s words specifically at 0.10 and 1.36 of this video of his “grilling” of Fauci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkE_mw6bRcg&t=95s
At 0.10 he states that “COVID 19 has killed about 3 million people”. Anyone who has even occasionally browsed this very website in the past few months will know that this figure is highly questionable. It is the one quoted by all the most committed COVID cultists.
But at 1.36 he goes far farther even than that. “We are fighting a pandemic with a 1 per cent mortality”. WHAT!!!??? Rand Paul – “one of our guys” – is claiming that out of every hundred people who contract COVID 19 one dies? Not even the most fanatical SAGE COVID cultist goes that far.
So I hope you take my point. Paul gets in a few hits at Fauci with this “Wuhan lab” theory, OK. But even as he does it he gets in a dozen much more damaging hits at OUR side. The people who are pushing the “souped-up super-virus” theory need, in order effectively to push it, to accept and even exaggerate all the lies that we have been fighting against for months
Why does Paul making wild statements on IFR negate anything we believe? he’s not the voice of lockdown sceptics.
It being a lab created virus and having a v low IFR are not mutually exclusive events.
“It being a lab created virus and having a v low IFR are not mutually exclusive events.”
They obviously and incontrovertibly are “mutually exclusive events”. Why would one bother to create a virus in a lab which behaves in no way that is distinguishably different from viruses already in circulation?
But it’s OK. I don’t expect you to defend your ridiculous false assertion, just to sit back and bask in the other gullible idiots applauding you and telling you “admirable, admirable, just the right amount of petulant little foot-stamping over ‘government incompetence’ and just the right amount of uninterest in actually investigating what is really going on here”.
Are you actually paid to push this specious nonsense and mendacious denial of simple logic that you are pushing? Or is all this just down to your lacking all capacity for simple reasoning?
Why would they? It may not have been the goal
2 possibilities:
1) they created lots of viruses (for whatever purpose), and this one escaped precisely because of its characteristics – mild symptoms (in most) and high transmission rates. If it had made the first infectee deadly ill, it would have likely been caught before infecting half of Wuhan.
2) a high transmission rate was the only goal as studying the way in which SARS like coronaviruses infect human cells was want they wanted to understand better. IFR was of lesser interest.
Why are you so rude? There is nothing wrong with my reasoning powers.
Maybe he is just a sexist berk?
the government won’t blame themselves so Sage is the next in line
While the USSR was a much more leaky tub than CCP it is widely recognized that the Chernobyl meltdown and two weeks of denial by the Soviet government was a significant part of the sinking of that sorry enterprise.
Not because of the ‘outrage’ caused in the West but because their own population realised that they were still being taken for mugs even after some years of glasnost and perestroika.
Fauci funded the research that created the “gain of function” man made virus that was released from the Wuhan lab….
It had been banned in the US.
WHAT? AND GO WITHOUT CHEAP CONSUMER PLAYTHINGS AND TOYS?
They know we know and we know they know we know. They just think they can go on with the propaganda without consequences. There are always consequences. Usually predictable but sometimes unforeseen. ALL the Globalist controlled Western governments are now on their last legs. There is a paradigm shift. Pity we never understand our history, learn our lessons, allowing evil to survive.
This is a simplistic and highly political article – first the’West’ are almost if not as exploitative as the Chinese – have you been to America lately – it looks like a 3rd world country in parts – plus the US et al. create proxy wars to exploit resources – they starve people as well – the US corporations would love this propaganda sounding article as it would simply gives them even greater monopoly power and looking good – also, ironically, as far as I know it was an American funded lab (Fauci being one involved) which had moved to Wuhan to avoid USA laws -this article is exactly why the issue is a great distraction from the truth we do know – I would question the figure of 3.5 million deaths is as I believe a good many were not caused by Covid (but it was a contributing factor). The focus should be in the litigation going on right now about the use of a non diagnostic PCR test resulting in ‘cases’ which provided an excuse to ‘lock’ down people and caused more death – and also the class actions about to start reflecting loss of livelihoods and great suffering (oh yeah – the collateral damage). That’s what is salient right now.
Anyone else here think it suspicious that Kary Mullis died when he did? In time for the PCR testing to be abused like it was? Seems a bit too convenient for me (but I do have a suspicious mind, haha)
Leaders of countries opposing lockdown sometimes met sticky end, were coerced to go along (Boris caught ‘covid’ just at the right time), or regime-changed (Lukashenko in Belarus – failed fortunately).
All run by the well-known regime change outfit, the Chinese Interfering Agency (CIA)?
Sure I read somewhere at the beginning of this in China when they are experimenting, they are required to develop an antidote at the same time in case it escapes and endangers the ‘elite’.
I do not go for the lab leak theory—- they developed and released it on purpose to gain the upper hand and destroy strong countries who were a threat to their dominance
No is the answer of course.
“All wrongdoing can be traced to an excessive attachment to material wealth.”
I read a piece last year published on 26 July 2020, it was a real eye-opener of a feature in The Sunday Times Magazine before they became another MSM proponent of the “official narrative propaganda publications. The feature was written by one HR McMaster, President Trumps National Security adviser.
Revelatory stuff that certainly got me thinking!. “Inside the dragon’s lair“.
Unfortunately, the full feature is behind the usual Times paywall, although if you’re not a subscriber there is an option to ‘trial’ it. Definitely worth a read especially when you consider when it was published/written…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-how-the-west-can-counter-the-rise-of-an-authoritarian-superpower-0nsw023st
The Western world really badly needs to look to India, in two ways.
Firstly, because as a poor country that is almost as populous as China (and with the gap closing) it is the obvious candidate if we want to create a “factory of democracy” comparable to the American “arsenal of democracy” that defeated the fascist Axis in World War II.
Secondly, there is a movement against Chinese imports in India that was strong enough to get a law passed requiring conspicious country-of-origin labelling. If we required all Chinese goods to be prominently labelled (perhaps we could require a Chinese flag of minimum size, much like the health warnings on cigarette packets) then it would massively reduce the inconvenience involved in choosing non-Chinese goods — I suspect it is indeed the inconvenience rather than the expense that is the biggest deterrent.
Plus in product categories where China currently enjoys a monopoly, it would make that fact blatantly obvious and alert entrepreneurs to the possibility of a new profit centre if a non-Chinese option could be provided in that sector.
Another useful policy would be to resurrect the TPP trade bloc (that Trump foolishly killed off), and perhaps add even more provisions to it to turn it into something more like a “NATO for trade”.
The trouble with holding the CCP to account is that it now seems the gain of function research was originated in the US and then outsourced to WIV. So the US and Fauci in particular are hopelessly compromised.
By the way, ordinary citizens in the west were not consulted by the mass outsourcing of western manufacturing to China; it was done by our robber baron overlords who enriched themselves immeasurably in doing so. This ‘are we prepared to pay the price?’ is specious nonsense.
Indeed — it wasn’t even done to benefit shareholders as to enrich corrupt executives, who could exploit China’s lock of rule of law to rig markets for their own benefit, in a way that they couldn’t get away with in Mexico or Poland or India.
This is as much a question for the US government or its executive as it is for China. Also, frankly, we already know what happened: we should not be in the position of endlessly trying to find out what we already know beyond reasonable doubt. We should ask why all our governments including the British have connived at this charade? There isn’t any point in loading it all on China. It has been a collective war by the global establishment against its citizens.
If the Lab Leak Theory Turns Out to be True, Will
Chinathe Democrats be Held to Account?The Democrats, along with China, are of course the biggest beneficiaries of COVID-19.
Big Pharma is making out like bandits, not to mention all the PPE suppliers (many of which were created shortly before lockdown).
I doubt it, as Trump was already widely hated, and the boost Biden got from those who only came to hate Trump because of Covid, was cancelled out by the extra voters that Trump got from people who hated lockdowns.
The problem is that it will be impossible to ever prove beyond any doubt the lab leak theory. Whatever hard evidence might have existed is certainly gone.
So there will always remain some plausible doubt. And however unreasonable that doubt may be, those behind all this have demonstrated they have the power to push the narrative that suits them.
The coronavirus lab leak theory will go down in history as another “conspiracy theory” that arrived too late, when an early and aggressively promoted official explanation had already been embedded in the public consciousness.
He who holds the patent is king, so it appears
Confusion here between Chinese actions, ‘accidents’ and exploitation, and the perpetrators of the western shit-show.
Whichever – the Chinese come out winners from western responses.
The fact that the novelist has to write that under a pseudonym pretty much sums up the way the CCP operates: like the Mafia with a side order of ideology.
I’ll say it again:the Nixon-KIssinger China policy was the biggest ever geopolitical mistake made in the last 75 years by any democratic state. No wonder it’s always been celebrated by the liberal-left and globalists so much (why do you think they actually love the opera, Nixon in China – while they hate Nixon?).
No, creating a new front for the Soviets (who were the Big Bad of the era, not China) made sense. The bigger blunderer was the Clinton administration as they were responsible for giving China MFN status, which was a prerequisite for their rise to manufacturing supremacy.
Shouldn’t the headline read ” Should the Lab Leak theory which this site rejected as conspiracist…etc”
Here’s another headline for six months’ time:
“Now it looks like WEF was directing Covid policy all along the line with a view to introducing a global Digital ID system…”
It has always seemed perfectly obvious to me that the virus came from the Wuhan lab.
Probably it was an accident, but not definitely. The problem is that the CCP has always denied this explanation and the world has been too afraid to push the matter.
The trade off is not quite as stark. If zoonotic transmission via the wet market is persuasively shown to have been the origin, why was that market open? It was fingered as the cause of SARS1, and the Chinese government promised to permanently close it.
“If the Lab Leak Theory Turns Out to be True, Will China be Held to Account?”
It is not a theory. It is a hypothesis. If there were some evidence to support the hypothesis, it could be considered a theory. That theory could then be refuted by conducting an experiment whose outcome should be true if theory holds. If the evidence is false, then the theory is refuted.
As always, qui bono from all of this? Who has the means Means, motive, opportunity?
I’ d be up for suing the fuckers for distress and loss of earnings!
We all know it ‘leaked’ whether by accident or not. However, it doesn’t matter. The West are limp wristed weaklins. We are literally putting up with imported terror attacks in our own streets, illegals flooding in, an increasingly authoritative state, increasingly hostile ‘neighbours’ (France/EU), plus countless problems of our own making within our own borders.
Therefore we will do nothing, nothing at all. Anything that is attempted to be done to show that we still have some balls will only create an opposing vigil like love affair with all the loons in the streets with chinese flags eating chinese food and singing their anthem. It is done, China won. Not because they are better but because we are dumb, weak and badly educated.
“A startling admission that China is fighting a “biological war” with the U.S. comes from a video made by a top Chinese academic, trying to persuade the Chinese people that U.S.’s day is over, that our system is outmoded and unsuccessful, and that China is victorious.
The professor who made the startling claim that China has won the “trade war, science & technology war and especially the biological war” looks like a heavy-duty insider who may well be part of the team that manages China’s bid to displace the United States as the world’s hegemony.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/wow_top_chinese_academic_gloats_china_won_the_biological_war_of_2020.html
Why hold just China to account?
What about Fauci? Gates? Soros? The Wellcome Trust? SAGE?
Here is Wuxi Apptec’s Wuhan address:
https://www.wuxiapptec.com/about/location
Here it is on googlemaps:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/East+Lake+Hi-tech+Development+Zone+Productivity+Promotion+Center/@30.476132,114.3861675,14z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x342ebb14973da503:0x2849939683cc4f72!8m2!3d30.476132!4d114.403677
And the wet market:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Wuhan+South+China+Seafood+Wholesale+Market,+Jianghan+Qu,+Wuhan+Shi,+Hubei+Sheng,+China/@30.6177919,114.2266686,13z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x342ea94ab99e2bfd:0x5ba9b4b6604c943d!8m2!3d30.6177919!4d114.2616875
About 1 km between the 2.
2 big investors in WUXI were Gates and Soros.
The WUXI lab was closed not long after the outbreak occurred.
Here is Soro’s SEC filing to prove he owned the company:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1029160/000101143811000207/form_13f-soros.txt
Gates and WUXI mentioned in this:
https://nybizdaily.com/2019/01/08/bill-and-melinda-gates-trust-invests-85-million-in-schrodinger/
https://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/2019/01/07/chinas-wuxi-apptec-invests-in-us-biotech-software-firm-backed-by-bill-gates
And here is the report mentioning the lab:
http://citizensagainstcorruptionk.org/?p=1479
Not far from Jianghan District to the market really is it?
Knew I’d find it again eventually.
This is a Turkish twatter site that knew about a shipment of the virus from the US to China dated 11 June 2019:
https://twitter.com/EmirYildizdan/status/1138545686100815873
Translation:
“He sent a planeload of biological weapons to China. Soon epidemics may begin in China. And let them remember that if there is a Turk on earth, there is hope.”
Dated January 27th 2020
https://www.onaltiyildiz.com/?haber,%207658/cin-deki-coronavirusunu-ilk-kez-biz-duyurmustuk
Translation:
“The coronavirus, which originated in Wuhan, China and spread to many countries in a short period of time, is on the world agenda.As 16 Stars, we announced months ago where and by whom this outbreak would be carried out.On June 11, 2019, we issued the necessary warning on Twitter about the outbreak in China.This information was of course known at the time and we were hesitant to explain it.Then we decided to explain it!It’s always a story. Its coronavirus was manufactured as a biological weapon and flown to China by the United States.It’s not right to write everything down.It’s already being written if necessary. As we said there, “Let them not forget that if there is a Turk on earth, there is hope.”Those who know know, I assure you! The hope of Earth and space is TURK!That’s it…”
China held to account? By The West? Who are massively dependent on Chinese output. Who have let China invest shed loads and spread their influence all over the globe. The spineless charlatans in charge of the UK, EU, USA, etc. have sold us down the river. In every conceivable way, we are now royally fu*ked!
The author writes, “the cornucopia of cheap goods which are the bedrock of our higher standard of living …”
While it is true that the west buys a lot from china, yet it must be said that their cheap goods are regularly of such poor quality that they are arguably not cost effective. Better quality at a higher price is often a better deal.
For the record, 8 have boycotted Chinese products for my entire adult life because of their appalling treatment of humans and persecution of Christians. I even by footwear that is made in the USA.
I have wondered since Feb of 2020 if it was actually an intentional lab leak, that the virus was designed as an euthanasia pill to help rid china of its massive aging population. And they sensationalized the “discovery” of the virus outside the lab in order to retaliate to Trump’s plans to balance trade between the USA and china. Both, after all, are acceptable behaviors to the CCP.
Our Government hasn’t the backbone to scrutinise its own “advisers” let alone the CCP. Much easier to tell the sheeple to wear masks than to demand evidence of their efficacy. Just as it is easier to pretend the virus arose in a wet market, and it is complete coincidence that the market happens to be next door to a lab, than it is to stand up to China.
Let’s add another variable; what was leaked is a terrible GOF bioweapon with untold destructive force deliberately engineered in China for warfare purposes. It sure would explain the responses among practically all government leaders who would surely have known about this from day one through the intelligence agencies, but could not inform their populations as the reaction would have an uncontrollable panic and sheer social disruption (essential workers would refuse to work). This would then also explain their constant lying, dissembling and cover-ups of earlier lies.