The inauguration of Donald Trump on Monday, January 20th as 47th President of the United States promises to dramatically change the trajectory of U.S. energy policies pursued by the outgoing Biden administration as well as the previous two-term Obama presidency.
In a speech and Q&A session on January 7th, the President-elect stated that both climate alarmism and Biden’s energy policies are “huge scams”; that he would terminate U.S. participation in the UN’s Paris Climate Agreement; that he would rescind Biden’s cynical permitting “pause” on LNG export infrastructure development allegedly to assess its impact on U.S. energy security and domestic natural gas prices; that he would do away with Biden’s EV mandates “very quickly”; that he would “un-ban” Biden’s blanket offshore oil and gas drilling ban; that he would rescind all the actions taken by the Biden regulators to disadvantage or ban gas appliances and stoves; and that he would unwind Biden’s offshore wind boondoggle. He has also vowed to rescind unspent funds earmarked for climate provisions contained in the euphemistically named, boondoggle-laden Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).
It is of course too early to assess how quickly the incoming Trump administration can achieve these objectives. Vested interests, bureaucratic backsliding and the considerable resources of the climate industrial complex will seek to constrain the Trump administration’s energy policy ambitions.
But it would be a mistake to look at the Trump administration’s energy policy promises as the only hope in turning around what has been a decades-long onslaught against fossil fuels in the U.S. and Western Europe. Key developments in world energy affairs in 2024 suggest that a Trump administration will have important allies in Europe and around the world in its fight against the globalist climate agenda.
Europe’s deindustrialisation and the green backlash
The impact of Europe’s deindustrialisation – a process that began with Germany’s adoption of Energiewende in 2010 which sought to replace fossil fuels and nuclear power with solar and wind – became painfully evident last year. Germany’s Federal Statistics Office reported on January 15th that the economy contracted for the second consecutive year in 2024, highlighting the depth of the downturn gripping Europe’s biggest economy with few signs of any imminent reprieve. The avalanche of headlines on Germany’s economic and political implosion after Chancellor Olaf Scholz sacked his Finance Minister in November were only the latest in a series of reports over the past two years on the “sick man of Europe” (“Behind Germany’s Political Turmoil, a Stagnating Economy”, “Germany Is Unraveling Just When Europe Needs It Most”, “Europe’s Economic Apocalypse Is Now”) .
Sky-high labour and business operating costs, caused by the myriad regulations of over-reaching bureaucrats and among the world’s highest energy prices brought about by the follies of the EU’s and U.K.’s “climate leadership” policies of the past two decades, have cost Europe dearly. In 2008, the EU and U.S. economies were neck and neck. Today, the U.S. economy is 50% larger than its hapless ally across the Atlantic.
A growing ‘greenlash’ against the environmental agenda in Europe and U.K. – along with the rejection of mass immigration and the open-ended commitment to funding Ukraine’s war – has led to the rise of populist “far-Right” political parties. They have achieved significant success in regional and national elections in Austria, Italy, the Netherlands, Hungary, Poland, France, Germany and the U.K.
Geert Wilders, the political leader of the Party for Freedom which is in a coalition of four parties which constitute the Dutch Government, sounded positively Trumpian as he decried government spending on the climate and supporting Ukraine and the need to reduce taxes, stating: “I want us to finally put the Dutch first.”
Alice Weidel, leader of the German AfD party that has 20% voter support across the country, making it Germany’s second strongest political party, is yet another potential Trump ally. In one of her typically fiery speeches to the Bundestag, she said: “Germany is deep in recession… And it’s not Putin, not the world, not some fictitious climate disasters that are to blame for this. This incapable Government is responsible for the collapse…”
In an extended interview with Elon Musk – who will lead the Department of Government Efficiency in Trump’s incoming administration – Ms. Weidel spoke of Angela Merkel as the first “green” chancellor who “wrecked and destroyed” the country with its “obnoxious energy policy” which made Germany “the first industrial economy that unplugged nuclear power plants”.
Nigel Farage, leader of the Reform U.K. party which is now neck and neck with the ruling Labour Party on 25% in some polls, has long been a personal friend of Mr. Trump. Like Mr. Trump and reflecting most Reform U.K. members, Mr. Farage is skeptical about climate alarmism. His party manifesto states that Net Zero policies are “crippling our economy” so “scrapping climate change goals should be made a priority for the next government as it would save the public sector £30 billion per year for the next 25 years”.
There are other leaders in the EU that share Mr. Trump’s opposition to the fundamentalist beliefs of the climate church. Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban dismisses EU plans to tackle climate change as a “utopian fantasy”. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has pointedly stated that “ecology has been militarily occupied from the Left” and that “Greta Thunberg’s ideology will lead us to lose thousands of companies and millions of jobs in Europe”. Parties opposed to the unconstrained green climate agenda are now in governing coalitions in Finland, Sweden and Austria.
Energy pragmatists in the Global South
Ever since the first ever international forum devoted to the environment and climate change took place in Stockholm in 1972, the developed countries of the West have made climate policy a centrepiece in their international relations. From the earliest UN negotiations starting in 1992 at the Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit under the Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), developing countries in the ‘Global South’ such as China, India, Brazil and South Africa had “common but differentiated responsibilities”.
This meant that the developed countries (primarily the West, but also its allies including industrialised Japan and South Korea) adopted commitments to reduce carbon emissions by specified amounts over a specified period. This was allegedly dictated by the ScienceTM popularised by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change periodic “Summary for Policymakers”. The developing countries not only did not have any binding policy commitments but were expected to receive considerable support in “climate finance” to assist mitigating and adapting to climate change.
After almost three decades of negotiations at the Conference of Parties (COP) at the UNFCCC forum, the chasm that exists between the policy perspectives of governments in the collective West and those of the rest of the world that make up 80% of the global population is no closer to being bridged. The delegations from China and India among other developing countries at COP26 held in Glasgow in 2021 successfully insisted at the last minute that the forum’s final communique refer to a “phase down” not a “phase out” of fossil fuels. This was to ensure there was no watering down of their aspirations for higher standards of living which depend on reliable and affordable fossil fuel supplies.
At COP28 held in Dubai in 2023, the contradictions between the climate alarmists of the West (which included both government representatives and a vast phalange of environmental NGOs that are accorded semi-official status at COP meetings) and the energy pragmatists of the ‘Global South’ broke into the open and was widely reported in the media.
Dr. Sultan Al Jaber, the President of the COP28 climate summit and CEO of Abu Dhabi National Oil Company, said pointedly in an interview: “You’re asking for a phase-out of fossil fuels… Please, help me, show me the roadmap for a phase-out of fossil fuel that will allow for sustainable socio-economic development, unless you want to take the world back into caves.”
Nor is Dr. Al Jabber the only natural ally of the in-coming “drill, baby, drill” Trump administration. Al Jaber’s remarks were amplified by Saudi Energy Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman who told Bloomberg that the world’s biggest oil exporter would not agree with Western demands to phaseout fossil fuels. “Absolutely not,” he said in an interview in Riyadh. “And I assure you not a single person – I’m talking about governments – believes in that… If they believe that this is the highest moral ground issue, fantastic. Let them do that themselves. And we will see how much they can deliver.”
Last year’s COP29 was held in Baku, Azerbaijan in the immediate aftermath of Trump’s victory in the presidential elections, much to the consternation of climate activists and a hyper-ventilating media around the world. The Financial Times saw Trump’s triumphant win as “a blow to global climate action” which would “cast a pall over the UN COP29”. Azeri President Ilham Aliyev, host of COP29, came out as among Mr. Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters, describing his country’s oil and gas resources as “a gift from God” and that oil and gas would be needed for “many more years”.
Upending green geopolitics
That the upcoming Trump administration will upend the green geopolitics pushed by the progressive environmental Left in the West is in no doubt. This was evident at the confirmation hearings for key nominees in the Trump administration which took place this week. Chris Wright, an oil executive and the nominee for Secretary of Energy, said this at his Senate hearing: “President Trump shares my passion for energy… if confirmed, I will work tirelessly to implement his bold agenda as an unabashed steward for all sources of affordable, reliable and secure American energy.” He continued:
There’s seven billion people in the world that don’t live lives anything like we do…They want what we have. And of course, they should get what we have. And through market forces and improvement and leadership, particularly leadership from the President-elect Trump, I think we’re going to see growing more abundant energy resource coming out of our country and hopefully out of the world so that everyone else can live lives like we do.
Treasury Secretary nominee Scott Bessent was asked at his confirmation hearing about fears that President-elect Trump’s efforts to reverse gains made in green energy would favour China. He responded as follows:
China will build a hundred new coal plants this year. There is not a clean energy race. There is an energy race. China will build 10 nuclear plants this year. That is not solar. I am in favour of more nuclear plants. And I would note that the IRA as scored by the CBO [Congressional Budget Office] is wildly out of control in terms of spending on the upside.
Mr. Trump couches his promised energy policies in the mantle of “America First”. Yet in his ambitions to bring about a renaissance in energy production in the U.S., he enjoys the prospects of strong support from all corners of the world not beholden to the powerful lobbies of the globalist climate agenda.
Dr. Tilak K. Doshi is an economist, a former contributor to Forbes, and a member of the CO2 Coalition.
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We are now living in a ‘Medico-Fascist’ state. The public health mafia and academic medics – epidemiologists with their assumption-riddled models, virologists with their umpteen different theories regarding transmission, virulence and mortality etc – seem to be driving the agenda that the politicians are lapping up and arming the police to implement their sinister control policies. This is being supported by the compliant state broadcaster (BBC) and most of the rest of the media. Most of the public are cowed, some are aggressively supporting this hysteria and loss of freedoms. We must resist this with every fibre: NO LOCKDOWN, NO MASKS, NO CONTROL, NO SELL-OUT. Freedom is expensive to get and easy to lose, or have it wrested from you….
That’s a pretty good summary.
The only modification I would make is to note that there are out there some good scientists who haven’t abandoned the proper basis of rational enquiry or medical ethics – people such as Professors Heneghan and Gupta. The problem is that they are given far less airtime than the graduates of the Mengele O.B.N school.
It’s interesting how many of the latter school, who do boast knighthoods and other trappings of favour are all over the airwaves like a rash when it comes to donning jackboots on the basis of a lethal combination of poor science and crap politics.
It’s like I say, “the Nazis used junk science to legitimise a philosophy for enabling a technocracy”:
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/surveying-the-triangulation-of-uk-governments-covid-19-tyranny-nazism-and-the-collective-of-equals/
And elsewhere “the NHS can reasonably be compared to the Nazi SS, because… ‘it is in the lead in the cult by which Britain is tyrannised'”:
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/track-and-trace-and-the-difference-between-covid-19-and-from-with-coronavirus/
While NHS is lauded as ‘our guys on the frontline’ (who have the same statistical ‘covid’ profile as the general population), the CVS is in full swing.
SS? Seventy Seventh (Brigade) Wasting your time (and money) on Facebook and everywhere else.
That would be the NHS who seem to have sat on my wife’s brain scan for a suspected tumour for the last 10 weeks.
It’s the health equivalent of the Military Industrial Complex
south coast today, no masks anywhere, cafe full , no masks, people walking no masks. its almost like the old normal.
Given the ‘Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened’ section on the website has now been rendered obsolete by events, it should be amended to ‘Small Businesses That Have Rejected the mask mandate’ subito, Toby!
Must-watch interview on the economic aspects of The Great Lie:
https://theduran.com/the-covid-19-lockdown-economic-social-impacts-peter-koenig-the-global-research-report/
He knows his stuff.
“The lie becomes the truth.”
Indeed!
2 hours into my shift in the family convenience store. Unmasked customers are outnumbering the muzzled nearly 2 to 1, with a few even happy to tell me that they think this whole charade is a load of old bollocks.
Going well isn’t it, Mr Hancock!
This is our only hope, that the public finally just start to ignore the government.
Good stuff. The only way to defeat measures like this is to turn them into the farce they deserve to be. I’ll be visiting my local shop later today, and I can’t imagine for one second that masks will be any more prevalent than they were yesterday.
Go Scotty! Saw that wazzock on Simon Dolan saying you won’t have any customers cos you are killing them all. You are my kind of murderer
YAY!!!!
Fingers crossed that this will continue and grow. Hopefully the gov and MSM don’t organise a couple of high profile “incidents” to scare the masses into obeying.
…although they will most probably try!
Boris has been out full of bullshit and propaganda already: “tough times ahead” etc etc.
Boris Johnson is worse than Boris Badenov.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffhp&q=rocky+and+bullwinkle+boris+natasha&ia=web
Well yes, look what happened when pubs first opened – so called positive cases made 3 pubs have to close. Not heard any more having to close. I am only going in ones that don’t collect names and if I am caught out have 2 ready none names. These really are depressing times.
You can almost guarantee if compliance isnt as high as they want, they’ll manufacture some ‘spikes’ and really ramp up the creepy authoritarian adverts for masks
‘Wear a mask or you’ll kill your gran’
In fact, that IT Crowd scene about copyright privacy springs to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
Although it’s more like you’ll kill someone else’s gran so that’s why strangers will shame/attack you.
It’s nice the way they have made it “your mask protects me, my mask protects you” so it means if I don’t wear a mask i don’t want to protect you or your gran.
Looking at how many GPs are (not) treating their paients at the moment, that’s rather hypocritical!
That about sums them up. Overpaid bags of wind.
idiot?
Not interested in their gran. Tell her she doesn’t need to come anywhere near me.
That’ll be one of the GPs that ran for the hills when this all started and now refuse to let their patients see them one to one then? Wow, that’s empathetic. What this whole thing has taught me is that a lot of (if not most) GPs are idiots. (I make exceptions for the couple/few who post here.)
Yes a few honourable exceptions.
Indeed, to which I would say, please feel free to take your mask off too, just dont cough or sneeze in my face, or come and lick me, and we’ll be all good. I promise not to go and assault your gran, now kindly fuck off and leave me alone haha
Thing is, I’ve been killing people already all my life by this reasoning, so why stop now!
Has your GP friend lost many patients to cv19?
Like most GPs he’s an overpaid know nothing.
HURRAY!!!
Fantastic
Cheers.
Death to Handjob.
First bit of good news I’ve had for some time…..
Just been to the local Co-op. It was muzzle central sadly. The majority of people were muzzled on the street too. Staff in the chemist were dressed in a way more appropriate for an operating theatre. Ridiculous.
Same in Waitrose this morning. Almost 100% mask wearing as far as I could see. I think it depends on the demographic — well-off middle-class people are more likely to do what they’re told (presumably due to the acute embarrassment they would suffer from being told off in public).
Watch the 1968 film, Candy, and you will see James Coburn perform a very delicate brain surgery operation. Not to be missed.
Same in my local Coop today. As I walked in a man on his way out chirped up “you’ve to wear a mask, mate” in an aggressive tone, so I just growled “no, I don’t” to him and carried on. But I can see how fights will break out over this.
Each and every one, and all the consequences of them, to be laid personally at the feet of each and every member of the government.
https://twitter.com/Scottty87/status/1286573361791995906?s=19
I`m so happy to read this
Well done Scotty!!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-53514524
Greedy or what….
How could such selfless and wonderful people take advantage like that! It must be fake news (not).
Bloris just visited Tollgate Medical Centre in Beckton, London. Here are the press photos. The NHS staff make Bloris look slim!
What a knob!
Is this Boris Not Goodenov’s lesson for the day? Out with the fist bump, in with the elbow bump. The New Normal.
PM Johnson. What a maroon!
Why is elbow bumping OK when we are encouraged to cough into our elbows? Fauci fond of standing with his arms crossed too I notice transferring infection from sputum laden elbow to hands. Best not to even attempt to look for logic if madness is to be avoided.
No wonder so many NHS staff are so fat.
I know I shouldn’t even try to engage with the claptrap on it’s own terms but honestly, can’t Boris at least keep track of the stupid guidance? He’s less than 2m, less than 1m away from the woman in these pictures. He’s touching her for pete’s sake. I thought we were all supposed to remember that masks don’t ameliorate from need for all the social distancing hoo-ha? If he’s going to impose irrational rules, he could at least make the effort to recall what they are.
Magic Mask Trumps All.
I’m not that comforted by the official twitter statements by Sainsbury’s. The lockdown induced panic has spawned a wave of bossy jobsworths who are relishing their little bit of power at this time. I’m afraid I will have to give way because i don’t like being harangued by a 20 year old in a panic.
The government have rewritten section 6.1 overnight, yesterday it said there was very little evidence for masks and the effects would be very small, now it’s gone. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/offices-and-contact-centres#offices-6-1
Down the 1984 memory hole.
They will have to be busy at the ministry of truth because there are still a lot of videos circulating of our leaders and great scientific minds,saying that wearing a mask is next to useless.
Manufacturers are even putting disclaimers on boxes of masks confirming that they’re effing useless:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec9KBE7WkAIH7Yt?format=png&name=small
You could find a packet of masks displaying this caveat, show it to a store employee or a terrified mask zealot, and ask them WHY we might be being told by our Dictatorship to wear something that the manufacturer knows, and the Dictatorship knows, and the pseudoscientists “advising” the Dictatorship know, are nothing more than a placebo at best.
Then wait for the cognitive dissonance to kick in.
Except that we now have WayBackMachine the internet archive
https://archive.org/web/web.php
You can request to be opted out of that though…
Is there a copy of the previous guidance available?
Yeah, does someone have a copy of the original?
Fortunately, I saved the complete web page yesterday – here’s the relevant part (with my bolding):
6.1 Face coveringsThere are some circumstances when wearing a face covering may be marginally beneficial as a precautionary measure. The evidence suggests that wearing a face covering does not protect you, but it may protect others if you are infected but have not developed symptoms. However, workers and visitors who want to wear a face covering should be allowed to do so.
A face covering can be very simple and may be worn in enclosed spaces where social distancing isn’t possible. It just needs to cover your mouth and nose. It is not the same as a face mask, such as the surgical masks or respirators used by health and care workers. Similarly, face coverings are not the same as the PPE used to manage risks like dust and spray in an industrial context. Supplies of PPE, including face masks, must continue to be reserved for those who need them to protect against risks in their workplace, such as health and care workers, and those in industrial settings like those exposed to dust hazards.
It is important to know that the evidence of the benefit of using a face covering to protect others is weak and the effect is likely to be small, therefore face coverings are not a replacement for the other ways of managing risk, including minimising time spent in contact, using fixed teams and partnering for close-up work, and increasing hand and surface washing. These other measures remain the best ways of managing risk in the workplace and government would therefore not expect to see employers relying on face coverings as risk management for the purpose of their health and safety assessments.
And what it shows today:
6.1 Face coveringsThere is growing evidence that wearing a face covering in an enclosed space helps protect individuals and those around them from COVID-19.
A face covering can be very simple and may be worn in enclosed spaces where social distancing isn’t possible. It just needs to cover your mouth and nose. It is not the same as a face mask, such as the surgical masks or respirators used by health and care workers. Similarly, face coverings are not the same as the PPE used to manage risks like dust and spray in an industrial context. Supplies of PPE, including face masks, must continue to be reserved for those who need them to protect against risks in their workplace, such as health and care workers, and those in industrial settings like those exposed to dust hazards.
Face coverings are not a replacement for the other ways of managing risk, including minimising time spent in contact, using fixed teams and partnering for close-up work, and increasing hand and surface washing. These other measures remain the best ways of managing risk in the workplace and government would therefore not expect to see employers relying on face coverings as risk management for the purpose of their health and safety assessments.
If Toby wants the complete page I’ll be happy to forward it on.
Well done!
Classic stuff here! Brilliant.
Copy and pasted for my files.
Excellent work!
And the disclaimers now printed on the boxes!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec9KBE7WkAIH7Yt?format=png&name=small
The ones my wife bought from Aldi just in case (now personalised with various anti mask slogans), clearly state on the front ‘not to be used as PPE or for medical purposes’. What is the point in this?
Mask wearing is simply a tool to soften us up for the COMPULSORY Final Solution® Eugenics Vaccine from God-Emperor Bill Gates.
Exactly. We are in very deep trouble.
It is to make us compliant and demand to be injected with Gates’s depopulating witches brew. And of course to make people look as stupid as most are. Present company excepted, of course.
Send a copy to Boris.
To the person who spells out long words for him.
They always were!
Meanwhile, our town is awash with hand filth. All ‘anti- bacterial’. Mostly made in China.
Does the bottle/flask/ vat/barrel say that this muck is useless against viruses?
No. Lying by silence.
And the residue goes straight into the sea.
Funny that….not!
Are you kidding me? And I thought I was a last-minute cowboy …
Government’s July 24th checklist:
It’s here, by the way, the original:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200721090202/https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/offices-and-contact-centres
Make a copy before it disappears!
Here today, gone tomorrow. Are they trying to muddle our brains or is it their brains that are muddled?
From a scientist friend this morning as a rebuttal to the mask zealots: There is clear evidence that obesity is a massive risk factor for Covid. Let’s apply the same logic. Let’s imagine the government introduced a law to mandate a maximum calorie intake per day of 1500 calories. Being over weight is a known risk factor for ending up in hospital if you catch CV. So a policy that enforced weight loss would mean putting less pressure on health services. By losing weight an individual could help others by making sure they weren’t blocking an intensive care bed that someone else needed to stay alive. A very clear evidence based policy could be made to predict how many lives this law might save – and after all even if it doesn’t save lives it might so surely we should just do it anyway just in case. It’s just an easy thing to do and it’s temporary. We could all then shame fat people in public safe in the knowledge it was for the greater good, and in doing so we were demonstrating we care about others. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext
Tee Hee – “Look at Boris”, the muzzealots must surely see him as a mass-murderer (and that is ignoring the large-scale corporate manslaughter of which his government is guilty.
Yes, Boris and his team of useless eaters have allowed thousands to die, by suspending medical services for the non-Covid sick. They need to be charged at a minimum with criminal negligence.
And of course, if you are wearing a mask and cannot remove it. you cannot eat . the equivalent of a gastric band . simples
Much cheaper than the surgical gastric bands that Boris was proposing to offer for the obese at the expense of the taxpayer….
The campaign for this starts today – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53522492
This is actually worrying because it will depend who advises the government, which foods are affected.
The current epidemic of obesity and diabetes has been caused by decades of government propaganda to eat less real food like butter, eggs and meat and to eat a lot more seed oils and grains – all made palatable by artificial sweeteners and GM HFCS.
This has been encouraged by supermarkets, whose shelves are mainly full of what I consider to be non-food. Lots of low nutrition in pretty boxes that keeps for weeks on their shelves.
The elephant in the room ( pun intended ), is exercise. A good balanced diet, fresh air and exercise should have been the public health message from the start.
+ vitamin D and zinc to fortify the immune system.
I have a set of old encylopedias that show this WAS known and practiced as standard health care and advice until the Antibiotic struck back.
I agree, and have often made this point online. Fatties and smokers and those who eat an unhealthy diet as pushed by the MSM (which includes, actually, a lot of “heart-healthy” foods such as refined seed oils) are affecting my health and the cost of my health care, because they degrade the insurance pool, or whatever that is called.
The obesity issue is, along with nursing home deaths, the obvious elephant in the room in the USA death count (and general poor health profile of the US population and esp. of minorities).
I’m affecting your health by smoking, as it ‘degrades the insurance pool’ ?! But you’re not sure what it is called.
Rarely does one get the chance to witness such a well presented argument, Jane.
Seeds, grains, legumes, and nuts are good. And are recommended in the Bible.
The stuff you mention is also good, Cheese, along with fish, roots, and fruit. And of course chocolate ! Hence the balanced diet recommendation.
The US Military Industrial Complex set the plan for Food Control post ww2. (Seeds of Destruction by F. William Engdahl has relevance for the capture and control of Food production, processing and distribution – which is part of the bio-tec 4th reich that promotes itself through ‘our Boris’ as a Bright New Future. (See Boris’s inaugural scripted speech at the UN)
The agribusiness model or ‘green revolution’ used Big Oil and Big Money to drive out smaller farmers. And so aggressive PR was used to undermine the old normal under mask of science – so as to promote seed oils as a health alternative to butter or lard. Quite apart from the methods of mass farming using toxic biocides – whose consequence is hidden for the most part by ‘infectious diseases’ or idiopathic new disease conditions, the balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids is reversed so as to undermine rather than serve health, and the oils themselves are much more unstable with regard to oxidising – for the most part and this also adds to an oxidative load that uses up our antioxidants. On top of which there are chemical processes for non cold-pressed oils that add further toxic opportunity to what passes as food – but was not available in Bible times. But they knew about poisoning by stealth and guile.
Deceit is where the forms of something is masked in and passed off as true. Once the trojan is ‘taken in’ the insider job is effected to break down defences from within.
Those who sleepwalk in surface appearances are essentially phished by manipulative intent – and in a sense are asking for it by shutting down their own discernment in blind trust to worldy authorities.
So we have ourselves an Educational Crash Course in true discernment or the scrabble to align an identity under a systemic adulteration of the data and especially of its interpretation. In any case we have a Global Crash by Design, of an enormity that we haven’t had in living memory – that the controllers believe or desperately intend – to manage so as to rest a much contracted and systematically controlled ‘economy’ over an effectively erased consciousness of groupthink compliance and collective conformity.
Are the controllers actually in control or able to command the situation?
Or are they lured by false promise and goaded by fear of loss of the little they have – because control agenda demands sacrifice of self to orders from above or else!
False premises and false profits deliver unto war on truth of exposure – and if sickness and limitation mitigates the total loss – it becomes the necessary lie.
red wine also
You are closer to the truth. The popular view that fat or obese people are lazy and eat too many calories is a convenient cover story for systemic targeting of the unwary – and the poor in particular with junk foods and other exposures that breakdown the capacity to digest properly (antibiotic effects of such as glyphosate et al, and lack actual nutrition as a result of what is in it, what is done to it and how it is grown. And so there is a case to understand obesity as malnutrition and a compromised immune system. So indeed lack of real foods for those who for whatever reasons most readily conform to agri-corps food management Inc. This is set to radically shift to bio-tech genetically grown factory phoods – along with driving not just people but farmers from the land.
The Medical Mafia is NOT new. Iatrogenic disease is probably topping the charts – but officially it comes in third for UK and US.
We have an Economy driven by debt and coercion that feeds on war and sickness – but until it came home – no one was too bothered.
The logical conclusion to this is a sort of mask that is not removable, for fatties, like a prison ankle tag, with a special flap that only opens for a short time every day to allow the specified amount of calories to be ingested, then closes again.
If they use the Fergoid model, it would prove they could save trillions of lives!
A&E checking your BMI before allowing you a bed.
Food stores refusing entry to people whose waist to height ratio was too high ….
I think applying the same logic as facemasks would mean everyone else should wear hazmat suites to protect vulnerable overweight people.
Of course, the logical consequence of all this is that everyone should wear hazmat suites & be tightly controlled forever, since you never know what bugs might be lurking around – even a common cold could kill someone vulnerable!
And supermarkets should refuse to sell them fattening foods.
Supermarkets would never adopt that policy. With the possible exception of Aldi and its emphasis on fresh produce, supermarket shelves are three-quarters full of fattening food.
Here we go. You are all losing the plot. You are complaining about the government imposing laws and restrictions on your lives then you rant and rave about people eating fatty foods, smoking, drinking too much beer, eating too many sweets, being obese, etc. You are acting just like the Government. Live let live or shut the fuck up!
This is my pet subject. We can perhaps say the obese persons life style choices are the greatest threat to the nhs that there is and by implication to the health of everyone else in terms of resource use and income tax and availability of services. It’s an extremely emotive subject but it’s a good way to try challenge and get people to look at the absurdity of what has and is currently going on.
I don’t think it’s simply about their lifestyle choices.
We’ve been propagandised for decades with lies such as cholesterol causes heart disease, that eggs are unhealthy and that seed oils and grains are a healthy alternative.
It’s been a very successful psy-op which has caused much ill health and suffering. The MSM has played the same part as with the current covid lie, though the covid one has been easier to see because of the compressed timescale.
Not obesity itself, but the pills ladled out for it, perhaps?
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/the-covid-19-science-problem-part-two-obesity-theory-wont-provide-a-solution-no-matter-how-hard-its-pushed/
I fail to see why if we’re all happy to give up basic freedoms to do things that are a total waste of time, such as mask wearing, we shouldn’t also be compelled to do sensible things like exercise for 2 hours a day, take vitamin c, d & zinc & eat fresh fruit& vegetables.
Public Health England would love it if you jumped on their anti-sugar, anti-obesity, anti anti anti bandwagon. With them, one step leads to another. That’s why we’re in this mess right now. Defund and disband all ot them and we will see a much more pleasant society to live in for most us.
If you look at the actual legislation on face coverings, and in particular the exemption list https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/schedule/made you will probably be surprised for just how much is exempt. Take item 17 for example…
What would the rationale for item 19 (casinos) be?
This is really quite weird.
Seems like all of the addictions and luxuries are privileged, whereas essentials such as food stores are not. . .
If you also look at what section it is made under you will see that by reason of urgency it was not laid before both Houses. Urgency as considered by Secretary of State. Is in the introduction
It was so “urgent” that they waited two whole weeks to implement it after the announcement, but they couldn’t find time to debate it in parliament during those two weeks because of its “urgency”.
The fantastic news about Nick Buckley is a ray of sunshine on an otherwise very grim day. Well done to the FSU and Toby. I strongly recommend everyone to join the FSU because this situation is going to get worse before it gets better, not least for those of us publicly espousing Covid-sceptical views.
Well done to Tony & Team
Yes, I second that as I am losing friends and family all the time. If I want to see these people I have to keep my mouth shut which is unpleasant. Another issue is anyone admitted to hospital with a virus is painted as Covid when in fact there are many other viruses which cause illness and death. It’s as if no one knew this before and has conveniently forgotten it now.
I agree with your message in principle but add that a lack of true nutrition, toxic ingestions and exposures, persistent strain of conflicted psychic-emotional imbalance and Iatrogenesis all play a larger role in disease than the trillion dollar virology-cum bio-genetics lobby would want you to know.
The use of fear to sharpen the mind can also be used to shape the charge to specified research goals.
Such that vast sums are diverted to research climate – but through the Anthropomorphic narrative assertion. Not to study climatology as a whole.
Likewise the findings of biology far exceed the applications allowed into a virologically controlled narrative.
If you stress or shock or toxify cell cultures – they produce viral reactions.
The thing about investing in false premises, that initially seem to profit us, is that when it becomes apparent we were wrong, we rarely openly admit the error, but seek to conceal it in the extension of the false premise, adjusted to mask the true disclosure. This generates a coercive and opaque or schizophrenic and pathological mindset of fragmentation that becomes ever more lost in its own spin.
It is not just the Captains of Industry who and Leaders of State who generate this but all who are invested in the narrative identity that has been asserted and defended as righteous – set over an against feared or hated outcomes.
The ‘authorities’ have the stick by which to induce compliance, but no one will listen to what they are unwilling and unready to hear – and so they will hear whatever serves their sense of self and need in the situation as they see it.
Giving freedom to another is of course accepting them as they are instead of needing them to be what we want or think they should be. If others feel accepted, then there will be openings of willingness to share life – and this is best guided by the Life – and not by fitting to an agenda.
Of course this is all breaking down our sense of self and world, and therefore we need to find and hold our centre if we are to be open to the opportunities for sharing in true witness that ARE available.
Friend of mine has had gastric symptoms that have been worrying her for three months. GP (over phone of course) said it might be Covid (!!!!????) and prescribed antibiotics (for a friggin’ virus!!!!)????) No question of getting a referral.
Toby, the silence of the human rights lobby is not at all surprising to anybody who has been closely following the career of human rights law over the past few decades, as I have. (It’s my day job.) Human rights long ago transformed from being the legal means by which the individual is protected from the state, into the legal justification for its “positive” action. To your average modern human rights advocate, human rights are achieved BY the state, which is supposed to “protect, respect and fulfil” them. To such people there is therefore no controversy in lockdowns whatsoever: they help us to fulfil our right to health and ultimately our right to life, from which all other rights stem. Case closed.
I’ve written to Liberty three times, not a sausage!
Have you seen this https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website. Just not at all well subscribed. Perhaps it says something about their supporters? But anyway, it’s there.
Liberty SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve written to them too and received zero response. The silence from all these organisations is deafening and utterly bizarre.
They’re probably too busy sitting furloughed in their gardens to be answering emails.
Toby, I found this petition from Liberty https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website, which is bang on the money, ie repeal the bloody act. I don’t know why it hasn’t been picked up more by social media (they have 65K followers), or maybe I do. Anyway, my point was that at least one reasonably high profile human rights org (even if I don’t agree with everything they’re about) has started up precisely the sort of petition that is needed. Maybe lockdown sceptics can help get the word out more? Thanks Rachel.
Yes – I think Toby was just pointing this out!
I just looked at the 38Degrees website – all the front page and all the promoted campaigns = the usual virtue signalling BS. Not one campaign about lockdown, masks, shutting down of NHS services, etc. FAIL
I unsubscribed from 38 Degrees earlier this week when they sent an email asking me to support a petition on mandatory mask wearing in every situation…
But the European Court of Human Rights is loaded with cases of individuals against governments.
Of course, it has to be the right sort of individual and the right sort of government.
International Court of Justice. Yoohoo? Crickets.
Yes, that’s remarkable. Stalin as the agent of liberty for the oppressed proletariat.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-23/virus-can-jump-26-feet-at-cold-meat-plants-filled-with-stale-air?sref=ZMFHsM5Z
I only have the news report and not the original article. This is interesting as the investigators (according to another news agency summaries) also discarded cramped living conditions as a case of the outbreak, which was previously suspected. It seemed to be one person behind the whole outbreak. This is not surprising for anyone that a respiratory virus also can spread in the air for long distances even though it might not be the primary way of transmission. This virus behaves like all respiratory virus and you cannot use Laws against this virus or masks as it will always outsmart you. Even Michael Ryan, the discredited WHO lead, also admitted yesterday that we have to learn to live with this virus.
You couldn’t make it up!
Only they did…
https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1286570696399888384
This is getting more interesting. This plant was closed for a long time investment in brand new ventilation.Then opened to all recommendations done from experts. And just today the above“Twenty persons working in the plant has just been tested positive for Covid-19 in the plant again”
Dodgy batch of tests?
A virus can jump 50x further than a flea!
Who’d have thought it?
Remind me, how any legs does a virus have?
How do viruses compare with Mexican Jumping Beans?
https://news.sky.com/story/they-are-nuts-boris-johnson-hits-out-at-vaccine-opponents-12035200
Looks like Boris’s pension bucket has sprung a leak!
He was a bullshitter at Eton, and remains so today
He is becoming a pretty desperate bullshiter these days!
Always has been, always will be. He’s a farce and should never have been let anywhere near power. Same can be said for anyone who would be in line to replace him, unfortunately.
So all those people who are cautious about being given a completely new, relatively untested vaccine are now considered the same as flat-earthers, “climate change deniers,” etc.
Or in other words, when they don’t have a good argument backed up by facts, they call you names instead.
Lucky old England. In the Marxist utopia that is Wales the foul mouthed health secretary has ordered the permanent closure of all hospital A and E departments.(not I’m not making it up, google it).
It was found that during the non flu hysteria many empty wards achieved a zero mortality rate. In an effort to save more lives they will remain closed
On the upside local tax payers will receive a rebate proportionate to the cost savings (that bit I did make up)
What the!?
Can’t find anything? There is discussion about adopting the Scandinavian system of non life threatening cases phoning ahead and getting a time to attend as opposed to sitting in A&E waiting rooms for 8 hours.
If you can’t go there it’s closed
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/patients-soon-book-appointments-visit-18631847?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Where in Scandinavia is that? Not the case in Sweden… Here we have smaller ‘närakuten’ centres (not within the hospital), where they deal with minor injuries and illnesses (eg UTIs); you can only book under certain circumstances, but they have long opening times (closed at night though). They deal with urgent, but not immediately life-threatening cases.
It is sort of first come, first served, although some triaging goes on. They send you to A & E if they deem it necessary. It works well
The more I hear about Sweden the more I like it!
me too! seems like a good place to move to.
Everybody move to Sweden! Bye Boris! Matt! Dominic! Cressida! Sadiq! Nicola! Enjoy ghost town London.
That surely can’t be true….
I did read an article on somewhere else, where you were going to have to book A & E appointments (hello, like you can ‘plan’ to break a limb or have a heart attack!), but closing A & E altogether????
Not true of the Royal Glamorgan hospital: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/health-board-confirms-royal-glamorgan-18507185. I suspect they’re all trying to go over to the “phone triage first” system that’s currently on trial in Cardiff.
Yet, you are on the list
Supermarket pushing back?
Some days ago I posted on here my experience at Booths supermarket in Ilkley—Yorkshire, when I had a discussion with the store manager concerning the up coming masks guidance. This discussion was quite positive and the manager was pleasant and understanding. Lord knows it’s difficult for all of us, not least businesss, trying to make sense of this destructive governments’s policies as they roll out from day to day.
This morning I received an E-mail from Booths which indicates to me that they are trying to navigate the swamp of government ineptitude. This is it:
http://boothsnews.co.uk/interface/external_view_email.php?AJ91222662938228049553735zzzzz64e84c5cbaf82fe508a85fd9f91d9d66976b9342fa20de7f869c8c76565e80b886
So Booths are giving away sunflower lanyards that you can wear around your neck instead of a mask. Whilst it may not appeal to those of us who refuse to wear masks because it infringes our basic human rights it at least gives an avenue to those who have genuine health concerns and indeed those who would rather wear a lanyard than a mask. if push comes to shove I know which I would prefer. So I’m going to say to Booths a cautious—well done!
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But why should you wear a “mask substitute” ?
I totally agree and I won’t be wearing one myself. However, perhaps Booths are aware of the problem of ‘peer pressure’ and the totally disgraceful situation that might arise if and when people are verbally abused for not wearing a mask when their medical condition dictates that it would be harmful to them. And also, don’t forget, that whilst very many people think the whole mask business is a farce it’s not all of them who are like you and me and are determined to stick to our guns.
A definite well done to Booths. I had a holiday job with them eons ago, making pizzas. Happy days
A Booths senior executive was on BBC Breakfast this morning. He said all the stores would “greet” customers on arrival and inform them that they needed to wear a mask.
you are right – but what an excellent response from a responsible retailer…
Good for them to be fair. I’m going to Ilkley this afternoon as it happens!
That’s actually quite clever. Replace one pointless imposition with another pointless imposition that’s far less…… impositiony.
Good for Booths, my favourite supermarket!
Ironically, Ilkley is my nearest one but not near enough for regular shopping.
If masks are supposed to instil confidence in scared shoppers, the lanyards will definitely increase confidence in those who can’t or don’t want to wear a mask.
It’s actually more of a symbol of power that it might at first look.
Don’t encourage them it might become permanent.
The Indy lose the internet today. “As a woman, I find wearing a face mask liberating – I’m no longer judged on my appearance”
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/women-face-masks-coronavirus-appearance-shopping-a9634506.html
These people’s minds are so open their brains have fallen out. It also confirms this is now about faith and honour, not science. Why not just mandate the niqab? Same difference.
What kind of people even think of writing such articles? some of the stuff the mainstream media are producing every day is just absolutely crazy.
erm…. idiots?
Useful IDIOTS
The idiots are writing for even bigger idiots. It’s all a plot to make their readers’ brains dissolve completely.
Fortunately for us, we’re not their target audience of vain airheads.
People who have lost their other stream of income?
“These people’s minds are so open their brains have fallen out”
Great comment! Sad article though.
It’s the Sharia Independent – I’d expect nothing less.
The bad, the bad and the ugly.
And, of course, the ugly woman wants all women to be equally ugly. If you haven’t read this
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
read it now.
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Get thee to Saudi Arabia!
Telegraph running a ‘mask hair’ article, and I think it was Marie Claire, how to accentuate your eyes. Meanwhile all I’m thinking, “FFS we are celebrating people COVERING THEIR FACES!!”
In a very crowded market, this is the stupidest thing I have seen in a week.
That is the same reasoning that some Muslim women use to explain wearing the niqab & / or burka. It is also common in Japan – many women wear masks to hide they are not wearing make up. I despair – again!
That’s crazy, its the same argument they were trotting out years ago after Jack Straw made his comments about the niqab being a barrier to communication.
The government of Quebec wanted to ban Muslim women from wearing the hijab at their place of work eight years ago. The hysteria about it went on for months. They were also going to ban people wearing sunglasses from using public transport buses. Now they want us all to wear masks. Make up your mind, eh?
I’m secretly praying for a crime wave.
There’s gonna be one when furlough runs out.
Friday shopping trip complete.
Tesco Express and Lidl. No mask, no questions, no problems, as expected. Just walked straight into both and shopped as normal.
Sad thing was everybody else in both shops had a face nappy on and the Lidl staff were wearing them too. I asked the girl on the checkout if they had been made to wear them and she said yes. I told her she should challenge that as I believe it’s against the law. She said it was horrible with it on.
I feel really sorry for the staff of these places. Especially ones who are shy and scared to speak up against this nonsense.
Roughly which part of the world are you in?
I’m in the West Midlands
Just reposting on this update, in case there’s any takers..
Does anybody know of any studies that have been done re sepsis deaths, during this period? I’ve searched, but can’t seem to find any mention and don’t recall seeing any articles mentioning it. It was one of the big killers in hospitals particularly, with some failings in some hospitals. But the ONS figures don’t cover it and all searches just show previous FOI requests.
I’m just curious as to why there has been little discussion of it, in comparison to bat flu?
A couple of articles from Jan..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51138859
https://news.sky.com/story/sepsis-is-bigger-killer-than-three-types-of-cancer-combined-study-11910168
Good question. Covid and Sepsis both share cytokine storm as the thing that could kill you.
Sepsis can easily be treated by using the Marik Protocol (hydrocortisone, intravenous Vitamin C and intravenous thiamin/vitamin B1) but it is not used by the NHS – Covid patients will also benefit from this. If my child/family member died or was maimed by Sepsis and the health services failed to treat them with this protocol I would be extremely upset. This protocol is cheap and could save many lives.
Hydrocortisone, Vitamin C, and Thiamine for the Treatment of Severe Sepsis and Septic Shock
https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(16)62564-3/fulltext
http://nwcriticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/The-Marik-Protocol-final-2017.pdf
Thanks, that’s interesting about the treatment. I’m curious if somehow, sepsis is lying hidden in the figures somewhere. The fact that symptoms can be similar, at least deserves a closer look.
I had wondered how many people have died at home from sepsis because they couldn’t get treatment for appendicitis or abscesses. Didn’t know about the cytokine storm though. Big question!
Soon after this farrago started they changed the procedure for confirming and registering deaths, in my view the only thing the death statistics now tell you with any certainty is that someone has died! Many deaths have multiple causes listed, when my Mum died there were 3 listed causes, these days it seems that Covid is being tacked on as one of the multiple causes. I understand that when they investigated one reported Covid death it turned out to actually be a fatal motorbike accident! If you consider the way deaths are being recorded and the way dodgy pillar 2 tests keeping throwing up positives, Covid is becoming the Hotel California of virus infections, ‘you can end the infection any time you like, but you can never leave the lock-down’.
No sepsis – but a while back I was having a telephone (obviously) discussion with my allocated colorectal nurse, who said that the main effect of the panic and shutdown was actually a decrease in infections like norovirus – because people were washing their hands conscientiously.
Could some of the below average numbers since June, be because there are fewer hospital spread infections generally?
Can you believe this? They have put in that the mask restrictions don’t need to be reviewed for 6 MONTHS! Of course this is in theory if the majority comply, but if they do then there is just no way out!
*EDIT*Someone did point it out on yesterday’s comments about the time period but it is somewhere buried deep in the thousand comments, very good going keeping the conversation alive and kicking!
http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/
Also interesting on the consequences of people inadvertently breaking the law by shaming people :
“Businesses and their staff are best advised not to challenge those who refuse to wear a face covering. Otherwise, at some point in the day there is likely to be a time when someone with a disability is challenged. Depending on how the situation develops, and this could be within minutes or seconds, a situation may arise when the business, and the person conducting the challenge, may find they have committed:
an offence for which they are liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010; and/or
an act of disability discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010”
You’d BETTER believe it! Anything is possible with this shower, anything.
Yep it’s in place for a year, reviewed after six months. They also removed over night the bit about lack of evidence and small to no effect.
Note that last paragraph.
Print it out, carry it with you. Stick it on windows of zombie shops.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1.full.pdf
“Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic”This article published 24th April by a single author but not in a prestigious paper but on research gate was never in the public space.This is a quote “Comparison of pre and post lockdown observations reveals a counter-intuitive slowdown in the decay of the epidemic after lockdown. Estimates of daily and total deaths numbers using pre-lockdown trends suggest that no lives were saved by this strategy, in comparison with pre-lockdown, less restrictive, social distancing policies.”The article is complicated mathematics. Michael Levitt was surprised yesterday to see this for him unknown article. It seems that both scientists independently using mathematics came to the same conclusion (my amateurish take of it)
Why vaccinate children?
More risk of being struck by lightening and study in saxony tells is they are a break I the chain.
Bedwetters no doubt will be lining their kids up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQiNvLKbgPM
A quick update following my mini-meltdown yesterday. Last night me and the OH met with a friend for a pizza at our local. Little if any difference, aside from a few fewer tables. The takeaway trade was hugely busy, and the staff were as agreeably bonkers as ever (masked, but up and down like the Italian economy) and the food excellent.
Fact is, we could go back to normal normal now. But instead, the government are trapped by their own hype and outright lies. So the charade must continue no matter what the cost.
I’ve shelled out 11/- for a Sunflower card. Given that it’s now admitted that the mask is nothing more than a talisman, then I shall rely on my own talisman to protect me from aggressive mask enforcers and brandish it at arm’s length like a crucifix before a vampire. “Away! Away vile zealot!!” “Agent of the Death Minister!!” Could make quite a scene.
I’m tempted to enter the supermarket clutching a bunch of sweet violets. If challenged I shall say: “Sir/Madam, ’tis but a fragrant NOSEGAY to ward off the POX!”
I often have found myself whistling Ring-a-Ring-a-Roses as I walk about shops.
Well, it would appear Lord Percy is running the country.
Compared to those who are running the country, Percy was an intellectual giant. And Baldric an Einstein.
But there was a genuine plague when that was first sung.
Oh, and because I stupidly gave my email address to the “Conservative” party a year or so again, I’ve had a begging letter from Boris this morning asking me to make a donation. I may chance a visit to Conservative HQ when I next feel the urge to void. But that’s the only deposit they’ll be getting from me.
My dog will deposit something for you.
11 bob. Love it.
Brilliant post, actually laughed out loud…er..but what exactly is a Sunflower Card..?
Hearing the propaganda blitz on radio and TV this morning about how everyone is wearing masks and happy about it, the DJs taking the mickey and bad mouthing people who contact them as an anti-mask and so on you would think that all these first-hand reports from people on here were all lies.
MSM – total wank merchants and now 100% propaganda related.
M asturbation and S ubmission M erchants
They’re lying. They will also be bombarding the airwaves today, pretending to be ordinary members of the public to promote the muzzling.
The propaganda campaign really is breathtaking in its scale. I don’t think the vast majority of the population even realise they are being brainwashed. When I look at any news site I just have endless NHS and government adverts and then the occasional company saying thank you to the NHS.
Anti-Brainwashing badge anyone?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154016480170
Thanks for doing this. I’ve ordered mine already, along with a few spares
Wearing mine at the moment.
Except there’s a lot of people who have been pretty much abandoned by the NHS, or by dental practices, GPS, etc, who will be feeling less than charitable towards any of them, which will include the government and their advisors. And if they’ve not been directly affected, they will probably know someone who has, e.g. my sister, who cannot get her root canal treatment completed, and has a tooth infection and pain.
Her husband needed a blood test, was told by the GP practice they couldn’t do anything until October. They then contacted him 3 times to collect a blood request form, but when he got there, wouldn’t give it to him without photo ID. New rules, they said.
I likened it to being in Soviet Russia (see the excellent series, Chernobyl, to see what Imean.)
The NHS has become a cowardly, craven organisation that has rowed back on it’s responsibility to patients. We’re in a mind bogglingly stupid situation of protecting the NHS because it needs to be protected so it can look after us by not looking after us. I sometimes wonder if I died in March and am in a hell which looks a bit like normal life but with mass psychosis.
Speaking of corporate propaganda, saw a ridiculous poster outside branch of Barclay’s today saying NHS staff welcome to skip the queue as, if they required to attend a branch during this time of “national emergency” it must be an essential visit for them and really important that they be allowed to do it quickly. Just incredibly embarrassing.
I hate that priority over the NHS shit, it’s sickening. I watched a fat woman with a bad lockdown suntan jump the queue at Waitrose a while ago now and wave a ID card at the guard. They had been watching her in the car park and they thought she had been up to something, they checked her card very carefully before letting her go in. I just couldn’t believe the cheek of her, there were about 20 people in the queue, I just could not do that.
Signatures have surpassed the 12k mark
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Signed!
I don’t want to pee on the pansies … but this is far too small a number for this stage.
But, I’l keep fingers crossed..
It’s the minimum number required for a government response – think we need 10 x that for there to be a debate in Parliament on it…
Mind you a proper debate = opposing parties thrashing out their views to try to change opinions or reach a consensus.
There are no opposing views in parliament. So, it’ll be a quick chat where people will agree it’s necessary and maybe decide to make exemptions more formal or something.
It’s gone up 3,000 in the last 12 hours – while most were asleep. Even at that rate it will reach 100,000 in two more weeks…
Signed. It’s over 13K now
If you look at the data for this petition you can see where people are signing it from. It warms my heart that over 30 people from my constituency have signed it.
Seems like the South East, North West and London are the places most signatures are coming from.
South East signer here
Now over 14,000 and Eastbourne a hotspot – so proud of East Sussex efforts!
32 in mine!
You need 88k more to really pack a punch.
REMEMBER – SELF EXEMPT
Just fired this off:
enquiries@metfed.org.uk
Feel free to send one as well
I wish to register a complaint again John Apter.
It is reported in today’s Guardian that he said:
‘I would urge retail outlets to play their part in making the rules crystal clear: if you are not wearing a face covering then you are not coming in.’
(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jul/24/uk-coronavirus-live-face-masks-compulsory-england-shops-covid-19-latest-news-updates)
This does not take into consideration the exemptions to the law which will allow people like me to enter shops without a mask.
I object to the ignorance of the statement as well as the tone in which it is delivered. He is also clearly inciting Stores to break Discrimination and Equality law.
In my opinion Mr Apter should be disciplined for his ignorant comments and release a full apology.
Yours sincerely,
Non Muzzler
Excellent email.
from Pets at Home today:
“We’re here for all the things you need to care for your VIP. We’ve also made it safe and easy to shop in our stores, and visit our grooming salons or vet practices.
In response to local guidance from tomorrow, 24th July, a face covering must now be worn when visiting us.”
No mention of exemptions. Have emailed the COO (peterdirect@petsathome.co.uk) telling him I will no longer be shopping there
There are many great online pet type shops. This one delivers pet food and many other accessories, great service. http://www.viovet.co.uk
I just email peter and I don’t even have a pet. Just for shits and giggles.
I’ve just been to Card Factory. I had a couple of cards in my hand still browsing when a female middle-aged maskless assistant asked me to put a mask on. I just put the cards back and left without a word. I hope when Card Factory inevitably announce redundancies she thinks back to moments like that, playing a part in her own misfortune. I’m not explaining to anyone I am medically exempt, you either leave me to shop without a mask or I leave.
Spot on
All they have seen/heard is “Masks compulsory”. They haven’t looked at exemptions or *anything*. Christ, they were making it up before the ‘law’ was published.
Yes. In this day and age of training, what training have these door people been given on the new regs that came out less than 24 hours ago. There should be a lead in period while businesses adapt with a very light touch etc.
But no, they (the bad ones) just rush it in full blast like the collaborators they are.
They will have had no training. We’ve just had an in store email thing about it which I suspect most people will have just skipped past when looking for their payslips/shifts etc. Maybe there was a briefing this morning for the instore staff, but I’d be surprised.
Clearly not. Shame on any CEOs who have told staff to implement this, too. I felt a mixture of emotions when I was leaving. The overriding feeling is one of absurdity of a maskless person telling another maskless person to put on a mask. Also, the cards my disease ridden hands touched could be touched by other shoppers later. They’ll have a mask on though so that will save them surely! This is just beyond ridiculous.
Let’s see, would I rather cards (or food!) touched by you, or by someone who has been fiddling with a snot soaked face rag all day? Answers on a used mask, please…
I still don’t think Cressida Dick got anywhere near enough criticism for her appalling comments condoning shoppers being shamed into mask wearing. The head of the Met actively encouraging citizens to abuse each other is a disgrace. Does she not know that verbal abuse often leads to violence or is she thick?
Not thick just EVIL
She didn’t mention an ethnic minority or religion, so she’s in the clear.
Police policy. On BBC breakfast tv at 6.16ish Chief constable of Devon and Cornwall – Shaun Sawyer .. “you are in someones premises, they have invited you in. and if you “abuse” that invitation the role of police is no different …. we would ask you to respect the individual but if we are called we are going to ask you through them to leave and if you dont there is a chance that you will get arrested. Just look at yourself in the mirror and ask “why am i being like this” treat them with respect, buy the product and leave with a smile on your face and if you cant do that you have not been listening to what has been happening over the last 6 months. ”
Of course, how can anyone see you have a smile on your face if you are wearing a nappy. But otherwise i am lost for words
So basically if the staff (or I’m guessing any nasty fellow shopper) calls the police, then they will arrest you if you do not leave the shop, ignoring any exemption you might have. You are only ‘safe’ if no one actually calls the police…
Just realised, no mention made of “the police will fine you” he has gone straight to arrest.. for what? not for not wearing a mask .. so for refusing to leave… so is this for breach of the peace?
I would like someone to give a legal guidance on this .
According to Francis Hoar, not wearing a mask is a civil offence not a criminal one, so if you are arrested, then it is deemed ‘kidnap’.. He has a good thread on his Twitter account regarding it.
It would be the refusal to leave when requested that gets you arrested.
Unless you’d gone to deliberately provoke trouble, there would be no reason to stay if asked to leave.
Sky .. fall … head …
Given the reach of social media, you’d think shops would have more sense than to alienate a peaceful customer.
” not been listening to what has been happening over the last 6 months. ”
We have. And for a number of years before that. That’s why we’re engaging in civil disobedience. They can’t provide reasonable evidence, but name calling and public shaming instead, which is why we believe it’s B.S.
The former mayor of New York City, Michael Bloomberg-close friend to Bill Gates-urged New Yorkers to shame and ridicule smokers to their faces. What’s the diff? None.
the latter
Note that the assistant was not wearing a mask herself – hypocrite!
That doesn’t surprise me,Card Factory in my experience is rude staff and even worse customers.
Never been, now I know not to bother. Thanks.
Should have handed them to her and then walked out.
Nope. They won’t realise what is going on until they are called into a meeting and told they are losing their jobs and even then some of them won’t put 2 and 2 together.
Unfortunately they don’t. Like I’ve always said they have been too cowardly to stand up to all this antisocial distancing nonsense and have forgotten that their customers deserve to be treated as human beings worth of respect and not as lepers.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/time-course-of-the-immune-response-to-experimental-coronavirus-infection-of-man/6C633E4EFDAEB2B4C0E3986
This is a 11 year old article about experimental infection of volunteers with Corona virus 229E one of our common cold virus. Must have some relevance for Covid-19?Quote about antibodies “Although concentrations were still slightly raised 1 year later, this did not always prevent reinfection when volunteers were then challenged with the homologous virus. However, the period of virus shedding was shorter than before and none developed a cold. All of the uninfected group were infected on re-challenge although they also appeared to show some resistance to disease and in the extent of infection. These results are discussed with reference to natural infections with coronavirus and with other infections, such as rhinovirus infections.”
“and none developed a cold”
That’s the killer line when you read the word ‘cases’ (of the presence of a virus).
Yes this was very interesting. It was referenced by the Tom Chivers article in Unherd the other day. Your link didn’t seem to work for me but I think this is the same paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2271881/.
There was all this fuss in the news about how Covid-19 antibodies were present in low levels and fell quickly in mild cases. But why should this be unexpected? We just never went around measuring antibodies in people who weren’t that ill before. Except in that one study which seems to confirm that there’s nothing particularly unusual about Covid.
The same thing with the asymptomatic cases. This very likely happens often with other viruses too. It’s just we don’t usually go around doing mass testing of people who have nothing wrong with them.
Trying to see where this all ends the Times has a leading opinion piece today saying how low paid workers are going to be replaced by technology. There seems to be a real effort being made in the background by the establishment to make sure the old normal doesn’t return and that there is a new normal as spoken about from day one.
It looks suspiciously like a large amount of the population is being written off in the name of ‘progress’.
This is what The Corona Project is all about, a social catalyst for massive global change. The re-purposing of the global economy to make it sustainable. The global lockdown was the primary objective, all the rest is propaganda.
It does look like it is a dishonest way to get things implemented that voters wouldn’t agree to normally. I was watching a video on Technocracy earlier and it certainly raises my suspicions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKdsL57SUZo
It’s a real thing. No need to be suspicious, its obvious.
Add in what amounts to the world’s biggest single transfer of funds after the 2019 bankers meeting in Jackson Hole when Blackrock said a reset was going to happen.
US Treasury and Federal reserve have been merged and the running of it given over to Blackrock who promptly took billions.
https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/04/blackrock-megacorporation-just-took-over-the-us-treasury-and-federal-reserve/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-21/how-larry-fink-s-blackrock-is-helping-the-fed-with-bond-buying
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BLEDFYb4lD8
Where is all the money going prior to the “great reset”?
Jeff Bezos??
Just google “World Economic Forum The Global Reset”
The climate change doom mongering didn’t work but this sure did.The whole world cowering under their bed sheets over a flu
“Climate change” is still there. That will be a long term “new normal” as zero carbon is foisted on us just like Covid. The fact that very few people are fighting back on Covid will embolden the zero carbon agenda.
My point is neither are real.they are just an excuse for the state to take total control of our lives
It is clear on the World Economic Forum website what the agenda is and that covid is just the catalyst. Covid is not the worlds biggest problem they state, it is the fact that we are too affluent.
yep
It’s on the WHO website as well – find it hard that people still say it is just conspiracy theory…
Exactly – seen more than one article saying the vaccine will be sterilising as well, although that won’t show up for 7 years apparently. Population reduction…
That’s sustainable!
Just read that Bill Gates has said it will take 2 doses of the new corona vaccine to work.sorry don’t know how to post links but it’s in the HuffPost
to work
to work
these people are pure evil. I would like to restrain doktor bill gates and fill him with his dodgy vaccines and nano chips until he gets the blue screen of death.
And his awful “wife.”
I used to get the blue screen of death all the time. I blocked MS automatic updates and now have fewer problems than before.
Surely most low paid jobs can’t be done by technology?
I know my local Sainsbury’s have replaced most of the checkout staff with robots but a real person cleans the toilets and empties the bins.
I thought the Dictator was going to Scotland? He flew over Scotland to Orkney, where he caught crabs (not for the first time I suspect)
There were many people in Glasgow waiting to kiss him, never mind, next time
Would that be the world-famous Glasgow kiss?
I’m a non violent refusnik, but I can’t speak for ‘Jimmy’
On the issue of ‘Covid’ admissions to hospital – I keep an eye on the CEBM updates – and they have shown a reduction to insignificant levels. There is clearly no evidence of ‘spikes’, waves’ or any other mythical beasts.
Of course, we have no guarantee of the future – but when have we ever? – and when did we ever implement massively invasive measures based on a near zero probablitity of an event? e might as well be digging Anderson shelters in the back garden – and anyone who wants to ‘stay safe’ in this perverted sense should sell their car and stop crossing *any* roads. For anyone wearing a mask – just let me know when you’ve done these things, so that I can do my own poll on the numbers of safety conscious good fairies.
But, behind any figures mentioning ‘Covid’ as a distinct ‘disease’ (and particularly deaths), there is one startling, amazing scientific fact we have to recognize that :
WE DON’T F.ING KNOW!
.. because the whole thing is so totally screwed – like a Saudi Arabian thief counting on his fingers..
Watch this video and share. The vaccines for Covid change your DNA!
Which video?
is it the american lady? v articulate and knowledgeable if so
extremely chilling if true
Now it’s “the middle of next year”!!!!!!!!!
https://news.sky.com/story/they-are-nuts-boris-johnson-hits-out-at-vaccine-opponents-12035200
Hence why mask law valid for a year…
We are nuts apparently
Sky News: ‘They are nuts’: Boris Johnson hits out at vaccine opponents.
https://news.sky.com/story/they-are-nuts-boris-johnson-hits-out-at-vaccine-opponents-12035200
Two words : ‘Johnson’ and ‘Sun’ and you have the definititive illustration of what ‘nuts’ means.
It really is disgusting that a Prime Minister would completely write off anyone with vaccine concerns. I am starting to think the man is so nuts himself and might even use the army to force vaccinations on anyone who holds out.
eugenics
at this point one of the agendas can’t really be hidden imo
It’s the same attempt at shaming people as calling them “climate change deniers,” or “racist” which means they don’t have real evidence or a good argument.
If this is what he’s resorting to, F*** him.
The amended 1984 Health Act allows them to do just that.
From Guido:
‘Man who has ‘flu jab in October 2019 and is hospitalised in an ICU in April 2020 with COVID-19 tells people to have a ‘flu jab which does not protect against COVID-19 and a vaccine that has not yet been developed, and, if it ever is, will not have been properly tested, particularly among vulnerable groups, before being marketed.
And he calls others ‘nuts’.’
So ignorant. We’re not his herd of cattle, we’re human beings and one would have thought persuasion rather than stupid insults is the way forward.
Whole range of reasons people might object. I’m all in favour of safe, reasonably necessary and ethical vaccines. But there isn’t even a vaccine so how can he expect anyone, before a vaccine is even developed, to be signing up to take it before anyone can judge that it’s safe? Personally, I conscientiously object to taking vaccines developed from foetal cell lines, maybe that’s a niche concern in UK but it’s not nuts, and not particularly anyone else’s business if I refuse vaccines for that reason. I’m also young and lucky to be healthy so why would I want an unnecessary vaccine against a disease that poses no risk? I don’t take a flu vaccine so why this?
I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but I wouldn’t go near a vaccine that has been developed and tested in an unusually short timescale.
MANDATORY VACCINATIONS… for flu?
To protect the NHS this winter because the Covids are still around.
“We want everybody to get a flu jab in the run-up to this winter and that’s why we’re rolling out the biggest-ever programme of flu immunisation,” he said. (Boris Johnson)
“And we’re aiming first of all for schoolchildren up to year 7, for pregnant women, for people over 65, for people who are shielded, but then we will be extending it to people who are 50 to 65.
“Now the reason for doing this is to protect the NHS in the winter months because obviously we have still got COVID, we have still got the threat of a second spike on COVID, and it’s vital therefore to keep that pressure off the NHS by everybody getting a flu jab and I really hope everybody will.”
https://news.sky.com/story/they-are-nuts-boris-johnson-hits-out-at-vaccine-opponents-12035200
I saw something from the ONS the other day, think it was Hugh Osmond, about how many people who ‘died’ of Covid also had the flu, reckoned it’d mean they’d have to knock about 20k off the death total.
Either members of the establishment have lost their minds or they are evil. They are promoting everything as the ‘greater good’ which is interesting as the politicians and elite rarely do much to improve the lives of the masses. Now there are endless funds for pet projects such as vaccinations and sustainable development.
I have no problem generally with ‘flu jabs. And I have experienced bad ‘flu – and you wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I have had one most years since I’ve been a member of the Old Farts Club, and have not had any problems.
But they aren’t a magic bullet – and have extremely variable efficacy.
The key issue, if we’re talking ‘nuts’, however , is the is the idea of a *safe* Corona vaccine being shown as ‘safe’ and being produced in the near future. That is a truly stupid idea aimed at morons, given the time that proper RCTs take to monitor both short and long term effects.
If it was possible, why do you think that previous vaccines have taken so long to develop, given the interest that the pharmacological industry has in getting them to the market as soon as possible to bring in the return?
In fact – this looks suspiciously like a commercial push to get rid of proper public health safeguards.
Unfortunately – it’s on the back of a virus that refuses to be particularly dangerous as things have turned out – so we’ve got the construction of the narrative of myth and absurdity to do the job for the virus.
Pregnant women should stay very far away from any vaccine as some of the ingredients such as mercury, timerosal etc can damage the foetus. The health establishment will tell pregnant women that they can’t eat soft boiled eggs or fermented cheeses but it is ok to take a risk with a vaccine.
Flu Vaccination During Early Pregnancy Linked to Nearly Eightfold Risk of Miscarriage
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/09/26/flu-vaccination-miscarriage-risk.aspx
Flu Shot Fails to Protect Seniors and May Increase Miscarriages
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/09/26/flu-shot-ineffective.aspx
Getting their ducks in a row for the main event.
Yep, the one BG has told us on camera that people ‘will take seriously next time’…
There have been studies of children who have had the flu jab, showing that it makes them MORE susceptible to coronaviruses – clearly the plan is to pretend there has been some mutation and children *can* now get CV19.
Pregnant women – are they trying to induce miscarriages? Kill 2 people at once?
Over 65s – just another population cull…lots of studies showing the flu vaccine makes people more susceptible to other viruses – including one study done on American servicemen, who would likely have been fit people to start with!
And they can [expletive deleted] right off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQiNvLKbgPM
Additionally I feel a lawyer needs to look closely at the coronavirus legislation as regards what constitutes medical treatment of a person considered ‘at risk’, in conjunction with the current laws for children’s rights regarding consent to their medical treatment.
We know that schoolchildren have been allowed within the law, to socially transition to the opposite sex at school, and considered mature enough (under ‘Gillick competence’) to consent to puberty suppressants, often against the wishes of their parents.
Now imagine children back in school in September, being ‘fed’ a diet of corona-fear plus pro-mask and vaccine propaganda. I can foresee a situation where children get vaccinated in schools, against their parents’ wishes or consent (possibly without the parents being informed prior to the event), and the parents simply being told afterwards, that their child requested it, agreed to it and is considered mature enough to have made that decision… By that time it will be too late for the parents to do anything about it…
But meanwhile we have to fight to get any treatment or doctor examinations at GP surgeries.
You are wearing a mask, “to help others”.
You keep fiddling with the sweaty, snotty thing on your face.
You are working in food service.
The Food Safety Act 1990 (as amended) provides the framework for all food legislation in the England, Wales and Scotland.
The main responsibilities for all food businesses under the Act are to ensure that:
Just a thought, Mr. Wancock.
According to our local butcher, in Scotland, food preparation business are exempt from mask wearing; there’s not even any screens in the shop. Shopping like it used to be.
A fascinating update of their ‘Florence Nightingale’ chart of comparative mortality on the CEBM website :
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-florence-nightingales-daigrams-for-deaths/
It clearly shows the April upsurge, and the following spike in Care Home deaths, but also the preceding *lower* level of mortality and – more importantly – the *current* lower level of mortality in comparison with previous years.
I picked up a framed picture yesterday..the shop assistant picked up her used mask lying on the counter, put her hands all over it whilst putting it on and then proceeded to handle my picture. She was definitely not reducing my risk of being infected by her! Fortunately that risk doesn’t concern me.
It reminds me of the nuclear holocaust cartoon, ‘When the wind blows’ where the hapless couple attempt to build a homemade nuclear fallout shelter following government instructions. There’s something very sad about witnessing this level of gullibility and lack of critical thinking in such a large section of our population.
Remember in “The Young Ones” where Neil painted himself white, “To deflect the blast”. It’s pretty similar.
Or Private Baldrick who engraved his name on a bullet
https://youtu.be/ACnqI1l4I9s
This is a very useful reminder, DB. I shall use this one. Most people know and love Baldrick, and will remember the ‘bullet with his name on’ episode.
How many will put 2 and 2 together is a different matter.
Yes… it’s that same level of stupidity and ignorance
An interesting parallel. Nostalgia can be misleading – but at that time, there was a profound scepticism about the scary official compliance narrative about the cold war.
Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be
Eustace and Hilda.
They died.
Just been told by someone in the know that the fifth wave will arrive in January 2025 and kill 20 million in the U.K (Keep it to yourself and start investing in body bag futures)
???
Covid 25, keep up, 19 is sooooo yesterday
Fake news -there is another wave at least at every six months -so I think you meant the 11 th wave.
So, husband braved Waitrose this morning; it was a mixed experience. As he said, it couldn’t be called pleasant but it wasn’t awful.
There wasn’t a queue so he walked straight in, the chap on the door just asking him if he wanted a trolley. Shop was quite busy, probably twice as busy as in recent weeks, he reckons. The staff were fine, most without masks. But he says that every single customer had one on. A few gave him dirty looks; one saw him, looked at him then turned around and walked the other way. And one middle-aged chap said loudly “Sir, you need a mask”. Husband ignored him and walked on. Chap followed him and said “Excuse me sir, you need a mask”. Husband turned round and quietly said “I’m exempt” and the chap begged his pardon and said sorry. The only other unfriendly person was the staff member who had to verify his age. She didn’t say anything but glared at him whilst doing the age thing.
Husband had thought about arguing with chap who accosted him but thought it might be better to say he was exempt because then the chap might think twice before accosting someone else.
Husband also said it gave him a strange feeling of lawlessness – the ‘broken window’ syndrome. He deliberately then went the wrong way down the one way system in the car park and undertook a couple of cars on the motorway! He reckons he’ll be doing a bank job next!!! [I am joking about the bank job of course, he is usually the most law-abiding citizen there is, as am I].
Would have preferred ‘husband turned round and quietly said “Why don’t you fuck off and mind your own business”
Never mind, baby steps, he’ll get there
It’s tempting – but best to keep the upper hand, I reckon.
I think the ‘I’m exempt’ reply is the best. But, if further challenged, I might just calmly point out the uselessness. Stage three might be the embarrassment technique of displaying the evidence of already compromised health … mine would give any squeamish self-righteous twat the psychological equivalence of a smack in the teeth.
“Pardon ?”, with ear cupping, is a sort of half-way house compromise.
Haha, yes – implies you are deaf and are relying on lipreading – bit tricky if everyone is masked!
I don’t think we should be explaining anything to a member of the public. They have no right to ask (as I told someone yesterday who asked why OH and I don’t wear masks). I got an apology but, since I know her, did tell her we were exempt. I would bandy words with a stranger, I would just invite them to keep their distance if they have a problem.
Actually, I don’t think we need to give staff explanations either but it might make life easier to have a badge/lanyard/card.
The public have been co-opted by Matt Hancock and the police. The government wants the public to do the shaming and confronting.
I know, it’s despicable and potentially very dangerous.
Legally no-one is allowed to ask.
I should have said ‘wouldn’t bandy words’ (!) sorry.
Or do a good impression of having a meltdown because his mental state was already fragile and he’d just experienced the last straw …..
i think my retort is going to be “f off you mask nazi”!!!
I’m normally such a polite lady but i think this whole shabang has pushed me to my limit of civilised debate with idiots
Oh I think shaming them back is more appropriate, as demonstrated by the response to Edna’s husband’s non-provocative reply.
Well done!
I used to buy all our wine from Waitrose but is now buying online from a lovely company, great service and quick delivery. No need to wait for some staff member (not sure where they always hide) to verify my age.
With my shock of grey, lockdown-untrimmed medusa locks, being thus challenged would be a treat.
What a dickhead (the busybody not your husband!). Hopefully, if enough of us fail to comply and are seen to not comply by people who are wavering, a bit of momentum will build up for non-compliance. It’s always difficult when you are the odd one out.
how about a counter offensive strategy … when you see a masked idiot fiddle with their mask ask them please not to touch the goods as they have infected their hands with virus, strep germs, bacteria, snot and saliva etc. That’ll upset them.
That’s a very good idea!
Just went out to test the water today, not the I actually had any shopping I needed to do. Justified my visit to Lidl by picking up a couple of bottles of beer. Had no trouble in there but felt like a pariah since everyone else, including all the checkout staff, were muzzled.
Then I went to Oxfam, which I usually like visiting because its the only shop for miles around which has a good line in antiquarian books. I was told by some woman on the door that I had to have a mask. I said I’m exempted under government guidelines as wearing a mask is likely to cause me distress. She said, “Sorry, it’s company policy.” So all the poor ickle African kids can go and starve.
If I’d had half a brain I’d have printed the relevant sections of the Equality Act 2010 to shove under her nose. I might try that next week.
Being maskless revived a feeling I haven’t felt since I was 18 and I bought my first Teddy Boy suit. The first couple of times I wore it, I was extremely self-conscious of standing out and felt a bit hot under the collar. But it wasn’t long before I got used to the idea, was confident in the knowledge that I looked very smart and could walk around with my head held high, my non-conformity being a badge of honour. This mask situation will, I think, be the same.
Go Oxfam! (not)
Can someone in your circle set up Oxfam with a cast-iron genuine exempt, film the refusal, and then take it to court?
OXFAM SUCK!!!!!
For many many many reasons. I haven’t bought anything from them or given to them for a long long time.
I’ve boycotted them since the fiasco in Haiti and the bullying. Not to mention I’ve found them always holier than thou.
Since when did the charity juggernaut ever care about doing good, apart from to the bank balances of those who run them!
By the way, see a lot of Showaddywaddy on 70s music channel – wow did those boys look good. They are forever in the hearts of a certain generation in the North East after their star turn at High Pit Social Club (too young to go, unfortunately).
They are acting illegally under disability discrimination law..
They are pushing everyone to get flu jabs this winter and are targeting kids!
From TheTorygraph live:
He added the programme is being rolled out due to the threat of second spike of Covid-19.
“It’s vital therefore to keep that pressure off the NHS by everybody getting a flu jab and I really hope everybody will,” he said.
On the other hand:
Doctors have warned they will struggle to deliver the extra flu jabs under the Government’s new vaccination programme.
Dr Dylan Watkins, a GP in Totnes,….. said:
“(This is) at a time when we’re going to struggle to administer the vaccines effectively because of coronavirus limitations …..
He added it was a “huge guess” how many vaccines would be needed and who would take them up, adding that 2,000 extra vaccines “sat in the fridge gone off” would cost £15,000.
Time for some serious foot-dragging of our own!
Great, there will be millions of people wandering round shedding “Government Flu” germs everywhere after they have had the jab which will be much more dangerous than COVIDS ever could be.
Yes you are so right. Virus shedding after vaccinations infect other people.
Ha ha – the government have tied themselves up in knots. Dr Dylan Watkins, a GP in Totnes,….. said: “(This is) at a time when we’re going to struggle to administer the vaccines effectively because of coronavirus limitations …..
I seem to remember reading that the government plan to train other groups of people to administer the vaccines – If I were a parent, I would not be letting my children out of my sight for the foreseeable future…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQiNvLKbgPM
Just saw this comment on Guido and thought it was funny..
‘Man who has ‘flu jab in October 2019 and is hospitalised in an ICU in April 2020 with COVID-19 tells people to have a ‘flu jab which does not protect against COVID-19 and a vaccine that has not yet been developed, and, if it ever is, will not have been properly tested, particularly among vulnerable groups, before being marketed.
And he calls others ‘nuts’.’ !!!!
I honestly haven’t eliminated from my mind the possibility that old people come off much worse from Covid because they all previously had the flu jab. Someone pointed out that Bozo made a big song and dance about having it too.
It turns out that this isn’t some tinfoil hat-type fear. ‘Enhancement’ happens naturally too, just depending what order you get diseases in (check out Dengue Fever, for example).
The people who promote vaccination are of the same level of intellect and critical thinking ability as, say, Neil Ferguson. It doesn’t inspire confidence!
I would REALLY like to see some data that compares who had this years flu jab and then died of COVIDS.
THAT would be very interesting to see.
And previous years’, too.
Yes, me too. As a 67-year-old asthmatic, I was talked into having a flu jab in 2018. I can’t prove a link but I had the worst health year I’ve ever had in 2019, culminating in a bad bout of bronchitis which still hasn’t cleared up.
The GP did his damndest to get me to have a flu jab in January, a real hard-sell. This year, they will have to find me first, even if they do know where I live. . . .
In the mean time top up your vitamin D levels (will also assist with breathing health) . Consider taking at least 10,000IU of Vitamin D3 per day. Take with Vitamin K2 if you take such a high dose as this will assist the body to move the calcium into the cells. Read this for more information
https://media.mercola.com/assets/pdf/ebook/vitamin-d-in-the-prevention-of-covid-19.pdf
Thank you. I’ll check that out. I’ve just stocked up with 4,000IU tablets, maybe I need to up the ante!
We also cannot know what they will put in this year’s flu jab – they could put something nasty in it, because the flu jab will be comparatively easier (because it’s been around longer) to get people to accept than the rushed Covid-19-specific one..
I suspect that’s the plan.
I saw commentary stating this is what happened in Italy early on in this wicked tale
I think it’s very unlikely that the flu jab makes Covid-19 worse. The Dengue business is something called “antibody dependent enhancement” which is where having slightly the wrong antibodies sticking to virus particles actually makes it easier for them to enter cells. It’s rare but also since flu viruses are not physically much like coronaviruses it’s unlikely that antibodies from a flu vaccine would enhance Covid.
You see headlines about flu jabs making Covid worse but the only evidence I’ve seen behind them is speculative and relates to viral interference. This is an effect whereby actually having flu may make you a bit protected from getting Covid at the same time. Since Covid and flu are similar mortality it’s probably not worth getting flu for the minimal protection against Covid it gives you.
Enhancement of Covid from Covid vaccines is a genuine concern however. I don’t think the mechanism is antibody dependent enhancement but is more related to immune system imbalance. Other coronavirus vaccine candidates (for SARS1 and MERS) have had a bit of a history of this problem.
I’v never had flu (that I am aware of) so I will donate my free jab to someone who does not have a ‘fit for purpose’ imune system
If you get real flu, you definitely know about it!
Boris the Spider … creepy crawly, creepy crawly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvFuUaCe8eY
RE: that twït from Sainsbury’s:
Finally, a Karen who makes some sense!
No masks in shops in Wales (yet) maybe people will be popping over to wales to shop. There is no toll on the bridge now just avoid public transport. We could do with the trade.
Alas you have to eat outside. In wales it is often cold and very wet. It is what keeps the green green grass of home. Love to see you. If people come to my door wearing a mask I ask them why the mask. They are suitable surprised by the question normally replying the virus. I point to my small badge I wear. They lean in close to read it. I help by reading it out ‘,I ain’t afraid of no ghost’. If it comes to wales I will get me an exemption card.
There is no official exemption letters or cards being issued. But plenty of unofficial exemption cards are being issued by MInd and others so much confusion abounds
https://hiddendisabilitiesstore.com/hidden-disabilities-face-covering.html
£0.55
Next stop, Wales. Next Thursday actually, for a week.
Problems in Pendine:
The main car park is closed for building work.
Nowhere else to park.
Pub turns car park into table space: nobody can park, no customers.
Café keeps car park: nowhere to eat, no customers.
Café puts tables on half of car park: not enough customers to cover costs.
yes that’s an option i may do as i live in bristol – so a little weekly jaunt over the bridge to chepstow or somewhere for shopping may actually be nice break. i fear though that it will be a matter of couple of weeks before the taffies bring in the mask fetish in shops, as they’ve enforced on transport.
Popped over the border from North Bristol to Chepstow to visit Boots, Tesco & M&S today as a tester. Surprised to see so many masked up, esp in Tesco. Great to know I wont be challenged there though. Loads of lovely independent shops in the high street. Even though 99% of my shopping comes online it’s great to have the option of going somewhere and not being challenged.
Looks like the FM believes in Civil Liberties still (at least this week!)
I’m popping over tomorrow, we are on the border so it’s a no brainer!
I just went to my local Tesco Express shop. I didn’t need to but I wanted to see what would happen if I wasn’t a complicit masked goon.
I parked my car in the car park and strolled up to the doors. I noticed some new Orwell signage but disregarded it immediately. I instantly broke the rules by going the “wrong” way until I encountered the croissant stand. I noticed the staff were masked up to the eyeballs whereas yesterday they weren’t. So it’s an interesting feature of the virus where in the UK it has mutated to become more dangerous at 12:00am this morning.
Anyway, 5 or 6 customers were wearing a mask. The only person that wasn’t was a bloke. I looked at him for a bit of camaraderie, but he wasn’t bothered. Never mind.
No one said anything to me and I don’t feel like I got any stares. So I advise other people to go into shops unmuzzled. Do it! It’ll be ok.
Clearly, John Apter, in charge of upholding the law, is unaware of the 2010 Equalities Act!
Shops should refuse entry to anyone not wearing a face mask, the chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales has said.
From today the wearing of face masks is compulsory in shops and other indoor establishments in England.
John Apter said officers will be available to help stores “only as a last resort” as they “simply do not have the resources” to enforce the rule.
“It is our members who are expected to police what is a new way of living and I would urge retail outlets to play their part in making the rules crystal clear; if you are not wearing a face covering then you are not coming in,” he said.
Unfortunately, his callous words will provoke severe anxiety in many vulnerable people.
I hope shop management are more clued-up and sensible!
The Police came out with this sort of crap when shutdown first started. Remember them wanting tougher lock down? They want it absolute, so that it’s easy for them. They went bonkers with over-reach, can’t go in your own garden etc., even though the law said you could.
That came back and bit them.
First-time poster, and thanks to all of you for keeping me sane. Just back from my local Tesco (Dorset). The girl on the door asked (nicely) if I wanted to wear a mask and was very happy to accept my claim for an exemption before I was even half-way through asking. I didn’t have to elaborate and would have used the ‘severe distress’ one if needed, even though it’s intellectual distress. Every other customer was wearing a mask but no-one said anything to me. Grocery shopping will have to be a solitary thing for the time being, sadly, because I wouldn’t want my family to be exposed to any kind of unpleasantness.
Thanks again for everything, as I say.
I suffer from low blood oxygen level when suffocated
‘Intellectual distress,’ perfect! Encapsulates what so many of us are feeling.
Remember this one: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html ?
Here’s a video of her saying it:
Harries on masks: https://twitter.com/i/status/1279360417903542273
09.15 breakfast at the cafe on the White Van Man trading estate, busiest I’ve seen it thus far, every table occupied and some outside, not a mask in sight; steady stream of takeaway customers at the counter, none had masks and nobody asked them to.
We’ve just had 2 young lads in our house to mend our bathroom extractor fan. No masks, no question of masks, no problem! I am penning an email to Oxfam – outrageous!
just back from southern spain….
Two days after I arrived face nappies were made mandatory everywhere outside including walking in the countryside or on the beach. If you are in a bar or restaurant you must don your nappy when you go to the toilet – fine for non compliance 100euro and 600euro for the bar owner.
The saddest thing I saw was a nappied up elderly chap in town leaning on his stick, clearly having breathing problems in the 30C heat.
The mislead/brainwashed Spanish were 95% nappied up outside in town 2 days before it was mandatory, fear or an ignorant duty to the vulnerable maybe?
The beaches are swarming with official hitler youth/gestapo ensuring that; ”you must comply” i was told. (presumably in an effort to reduce spanish youth unemployment)
I like to ratch along the beach/rocks with the occasional dip in the sea and portion of sardines – and its not practical with a nappy on. I’m back over in august and my frends will have got me a bike (no nappy required) by then and i can head off to less busy coast with less official busy bodies ruining the tourist industry.
The stasi were out in force making a fortune out of nappy crime.
If you can I suggest you avoid Spain as they sleep walk back to facism through ignorance and blind compliance. If you do go then make sure you get a QR code 48 hrs before flight – I went through malaga airport like a dose of salts…
C19 posative cases are apparently on the rise again in spain (more testing maybe?) so compulsory nappies at all time is clearly a raging success!
More likely increase in cases due to wearing masks and thereby compromising one’s immune system!
….and an increase in testing with the wonderful tests that are NOT reliable
That, and the cough is naturally making its way through the healthy population leaving imunity in its wake – it is not being detered by mandatory face nappies everywhere. When they introduced the new law they did say that there had been no increase in hospitalisations – but they just want people to be aware that the cough hasnt gone away – idiots!
”something must be done”, however stupid
Boris, in a nutshell – as us nuts would say!
I cancelled our trip to visit family in the Costa Blanca next week when I heard it was heading this way. I’ve had run ins with overzealous supermarket staff and the Guardia Civil in the past and knew exactly how it will be policed.
Unfortunately, this is what I think they will do here. England’s mask-wearing legislation is stricter than Scotland’s, so Wee Jimmy clearly will need to go further than Boris. Worse still, the majority in Scotland just seem to gave gone along with the mask wearing, although first fine today in Jedburgh for non-compliance. I suspect she is calculating now how much further she can go. Very, very depressing.
Maybe Boris can explain why, if vaccines are so safe, these schemes are in place:
https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html
https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/pharmacovigilance/Dec_2018_VICPs/en/
and what happened last time a mass vaccination of the population took place with a rushed vaccine and to estimate the payouts this time around:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0hIC6GqMc&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
There’s a far more recent cock-up from 2009, but why publicise that: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572
Exactly!
Thanks AG this is potent stuff.
The Swine Flu Fraud of ’76 is a must watch. link again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0hIC6GqMc&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop
So funny (basically tragic) to see the guy in change of this mass vaccination program squirm and deny that he knew that the vaccination had severe side effects such as neurotoxicity that resulted in paralysis, the public were never told of side effects and the propaganda relentless and played on emotions, same tactic as now but supported by digital age.
Posted on yesterday’s page from the airport early this morning. Had a snack in Pret. Lots of people glad to remove masks but put their dirty snot rags down on the table. Two other women came in without masks but wearing lanyards. No problems getting on the plane- no questions or dirty looks from anyone, except perhaps envious ones. Met another lovely lady on our flight wearing sunflower lanyard. She had obviously researched things thoroughly and was ready with her translation into Spanish.
We thought the police might say something at passport control-not a dicky bird. We had to scan Covid immigration forms and my husband was asked by the lady to put on a mask. He told her in his best Spanish that he was exempt-no problem. Through the temperature recorder-no problem. Decided against the bus so took a taxi-driver wearing a mask but didn’t mind us riding without one. Chatted about how bad things were for everyone, everywhere and this crazy world that we live in.
In hotel now. Just off to test the waters in the street. Wish us luck.
Good luck and enjoy yourselves too.
Good luck, hope you have a good holiday.
question for when you get back from the street – have you had a 100euro fine yet?
No. We ambled out of the hotel to find a nice spot for lunch. Delightful Spanish lady brought us the leather bound menu (horror of horrors!)and we passed a pleasant hour or so in the sunshine. Then a walk along to visit our friends at their apartment. Stopped to chat to a pleasant chap who had opened a lovely French Patisserie so we promised to pay him a visit in the next few days. He took no notice of the fact that we were unmuzzled as he was just so keen to show us his gorgeous cakes and chocolates in the desperate hope of getting a sale. Back to the hotel then, spotting only a couple of unmuzzled folk.
We laughed at how ridiculous it was for people to be masked up in 30 degree heat especially as there was hardly anyone to be seen in this usually bustling resort. Social distancing could take place here at 30 metres not 1 metre. Lots of places had closed down for good, which is sad to see.
wow – I was in a different spain…
lots of spanish holiday makers, beach busyish but deffinately not packed
keep us updated and have a great time
Thanks. Just been for a swim in the large outdoor pool-me and two others. Loads of empty sun beds placed in pairs inside a rectangle marked by black tape. You won’t get killed in the rush for a sun bed here. OH has the terrace all to himself. Not been to the beach yet so will let you know.
the government website helpfully now gives links to exemption cards for the “causes severe distress”
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
The masks are just a distraction, designed to make people fed up and ‘want’ the vaccine…
Indeed, so much has been invested into it, politically and financially. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s just a placebo to put the zombies at rest.
I’ve got a mad theory that, since they say the vaccine will do little more than minimise symptoms, it’s just HCQ (out of patent and cheap) + some nasties they’ve developed so they can claim it’s a new product and coin it in.
More likely (in my opinion) is that they ‘spike’ the flu vaccine – which will likely have a higher uptake than any rushed CV19 vaccine – with some nasties instead, or as well a,s anything they might add to the CV 19 one (eg sterility agents, like BG has added to some of his previous vaccines).
Remember that they are planning to initially target kids up to age 11 with the flu vaccine, and I have read elsewhere that any sterilising side effects of a CV19 vaccine will take 7 years to show up… I think that adds to the likelihood of them secretly adding something to this flu vaccine as well, so that one way or another, they will ‘get’ everyone…
I’d been thinking on the same lines – Bloris openly said they want us ALL to have the flu vaccine this winter.
Yes, I made this point earlier – I normally have the flu jab (due to mild immuno-suppressants for arthritis), but certainly won’t this year. Who, nowadays, would trust ‘our’ government not to spike it with some untested and rushed anti-covid stuff!?
I’ve not had a flu jab for decades.
Haven’t had flu in decades.
I was only half-serious and what you say makes sense but it was the bit about ‘minimising symptoms’ that got me thinking. . . p.s. I will not be having a flu jab again, not after 2018 (‘posted about this before).
I wish I could believe you were right and that masks would then become optional – as long as the vaccine isn’t compulsory. Call me selfish, but if others want to get vaccinated then let them go ahead (though I worry about the kids).
Dead right. That’s the real reason. Anything to get out of the nappies.
..which may also why the Police are not likely to get over-involved…
Especially when hes talking about beating this virus by next summer…..
I like the one that says “Please remove your face covering so I can understand you better.”
Sums it up really!
Are we winning the debate?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8555759/Confusion-anger-day-one-new-face-mask-law.html
Pleased to see North Tyneside is doing its bit!
Why do all their characters say the same thing? Almost like they made most of them up?
YAY!
FIGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is John Apter auditioning for a job in the Parliamentary Cabinet?
John Apter, chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, said: ‘I would urge retail outlets to play their part in making the rules crystal clear – if you are not wearing a face covering then you are not coming in. Officers will be there to help stores if needed – but only as a last resort, as we simply do not have the resources.’
Speaking about those who might have exemptions, Mr Apter added: ‘If you’re out shopping today and you see somebody not wearing a face covering it may be because they have a hidden disability. Don’t jump to conclusions, don’t have a go at them.
Massive contradiction without even taking a breath!
So here we are at last: English Muzzle Day. The date 24 July 2020 will surely go down as one of the most shameful in English history. England, the country that gave the world Shakespeare, football, the Sex Pistols, the English language, countless political philosophers and countless inventions, and laid the groundwork of so much that is good and noble in the world today: reduced to an abject exhibition of pre-Enlightenment superstition and centralist subservience probably never previously exampled in its long history, redolent of some miserable East European state in the dark days of Communism.
I wouldn’t normally go into the nearest city (down here in Deepest Devon) on a Friday morning, but felt I had to make the effort today. M&S, Tesco, Hotel Chocolat, covered shopping arcade: no questions, nothing, zilch, zero. Had a long chat with the staff in Hotel Chocolat; no mention or even hint at muzzles. Almost no other shoppers without muzzles. Don’t know if I had any dirty looks, because (except for elderly, frail or visibly disabled people) I don’t make any eye contact with muzzle wearers. When I was in the bank (Lloyds) I was asked in hushed tones whether I wanted one of their muzzles, so I just said exempt, to which the reply was, in very hushed and almost apologetic tone, that’s fine. So just pretty well as Biker has reported from Bonny Scotland.
It’s clear that the shops just don’t want to know. There are security guys at many of the entrances, but you can see they are almost embarrassed to be there, the more so when you walk by unmuzzled.
Another notable thing: no visible plod presence. I was surprised at that. I thought they’d at least be out and about today, of all days – they are usually around. But no sign of them. It’s almost as if they’ve made a definite decision not to get involved. Time will tell on that one I suppose.
The muzzle wearers nearly all take the filthy rags on and off between shops. Of course, that’s completely against the government guidance, which states that hands must be sanitised or washed with soap and water for 20 seconds each time the disgusting garment is touched. With no plod around, I was unable to make any complaints about this flagrant breach of the guidelines.
Mrs TJN is going out later (unmuzzled of course), as she doesn’t want to miss out on the fun.
Today’s the first anniversary of our Lord Protector’s ascendance to power. I wonder what we will be looking back on come 24 July 2021. Right now, today, I’m ashamed to be English.
Good for the local coppers. They know it’s not their problem and also must realise there’s a massive potential for riots down the road when the job losses are felt. The less hostility towards them now, the easier things will be.
Their Fuhrers need to be reminded about policing by consent!
Thing is, down here the D&C Police were among the most eager forces in the country to inflict the lockdown: roadblocks, masses of patrols, stopping people when they were out, lots of social media threats.
So I’m surprised by their recent statement that, essentially, they won’t be enforcing the nappies.
Maybe they felt they were taken for a ride by the government back in March-April, and aren’t going to be bitten again.
It sounds like in the early days they believed there was a deadly virus waiting to strike anyone out in the open.
After the BLM riots and the myriad blatant contradictions from the government, coupled with the stats, many of them must realise we’ve all been had and that they’ll be on the frontline when the bulk of the population finally twigs.
Yes, and now we know that the virus spreads indoors in crowded environments, and that vitamin D almost certainly protects against it. The wonders of science. But my grandmother could have told anyone that, and presumably all the grandmothers before her.
Our wonderful government, followed by the police thought differently of course.
One burning question I’ve had ever since the lockdown, and which I may post to CC Sawyer some day: what’s the difference between their telling us to stay inside during the covid outbreak and telling someone to stay inside a burning tower block?
Ouch!
Really, what’s the difference? I’m going to be writing to Sawyer with this some day.
It occurred to me back in March. But Mrs TJN said it might be in bad taste to draw such an analogy. I don’t know. Killing people with lockdown is in very bad taste.
See my comment elsewhere on this page from earlier today quoting your chief constable – Sawyer who was interviewed by BBC breakfast (on at 6.16) and was talking about arresting people .
Only just seen your Sawyer post. He’s full of shit. Your quote seems to be saying that if you are asked to leave a shop and refuse then you can be arrested. No news in that; nothing new. Obviously, if I’m asked to leave a premises then I will do so.
Same back during the Nazi bit of the lockdown. Media. statements like ‘we will be maintaining a visible presence’; we will be upholding the CV rules’. Intimidating to some perhaps, but actually meaningless.
The TJN family got stopped by an Armed Response Unit when out walking near their home. They didn’t have any time for him.
My worry is that by 24 July 2021 we will look back on 24 July 2020 as a Golden Age.
Economically I think we will probably look back on July 2020 as a golden age. Culturally, I hope we will have moved on a very long way, having learnt some very hard lessons.
Fundamentally, economic reality is going to do for this current lot.
Boris calling anyone “Nuts” who doesn’t want to be vaccinated.
Anyone remember any of these statements that Michael Gove said when campaigning to Leave the EU with Boris:
“People in this country have had enough of experts.”
“I’m not asking the public to trust me. I’m asking them to trust themselves”
Well thanks for this advice, because I’m gonna trust myself and make my own mind up, rather than listening to these same experts that they told us we shouldn’t be trusting back in 2016.
I trust myself, and I am nuts
Freedom to be nuts!
Don’t panic!
Yes Boris. It’s nuts to let your body perform a natural function that has evolved over millennia, without the need for medical intervention. Absolutely nuts.
Of course – this whole thing is a reminder of that saying :
“Just think how stupid are many of average intelligence. And then remember that 50% are even less intelligent”.
A minute’s pause reveals the absurdity : we have not worn masks up to this point.
In that time, the indicators (probably exaggerated anyway) of infection have consistently declined. No spikes, no waves – except unconvincing government manufactured ones.
The indicators for this generally mild infection are now at a level well below any definition of an epidemic, and suggest the presence (and only *presence*) of the virus in between 0.01% to 0.04% of the population.
… and yet people are wandering around in a worse state of anxiety than September 1939, FFS!
On my small (what you might describe as up market) estate the majority are what may be classed as having above average intelligence. Retired headmasters, teachers, solicitors and accountants to name but a few. Most are ‘Guardian’ readers and avid BBC watchers. I’m afraid to say that they are the worst of the lot in my experience and have embraced the Covid narrative as a junky craves his heroine.
Intelligence does not come into it. What determines your grasp on reality is whether or not you have been conditioned to believe that the ‘Guvment’ exists to look after its citizens first and foremost.
I also believe that humans fall into two categories. Those who can be hypnotised (evidenced by the ridiculous antics stage performers can get their willing participants to engage in) and those who are hypnotise proof who cannot be controlled in this way. Nothing to do with intelligence.
There’s no link between intelligence and capacity for independent though, perhaps even a reverse correlation.
‘Intelligence’ (forget the narrow operational test definitions) includes the concept of independent and rational thought. And, no, there’s not a reverse correlation between the two. That’s a contradiction.
I known some very intelligent people – scientific and maths-based degrees, lots of qualifications – and have often been gobsmacked about how little they can think for themselves.
I suppose there’s a type of intelligence which enables someone to learn ‘process’ very well, and another that enables someone to work things out.
For a lot of people it seems that their ‘intelligence’ – that is a capacity to take on and retain information (and thus pass exams) – merely enables them to swallow stuff like the covid scam more thoroughly.
Yep – I was at uni (doing languages) with a girl who went on to get a First in Maths (back in the days when not everyone got Firsts!!), and she has totally bought into the panic – she was also a good seamstress, so she is now making and selling fabric masks. Sigh!
I agree, so many really intelligent people fully committed to the official narrative. I think it’s more about the difference between those who mainly judge by following the herd, and those who think independently and are willing to be seen as curmudgeons, which is really about character not intelligence as such. Also, difference between having a basic commitment to reality in thinking, or having a commitment to something else, whether it be ideology or the zeitgeist or whatever else.
This is what happens when you cut people of from family,friends work colleagues and the wider community and then beam fear programming into their minds 24/7.
Very similar to cult programming
That’s why “The Science” the goverment has been following is from the nudge unit and not from the medically qualified.
Absolutely, our experience to a T. We know hardly anyone with higher qualifications who has not been brainwashed. Worse, some of them were screaming for lockdown in early March and we now despair that some of them will ever get better. Certainly you cannot challenge them; they just get angry and defensive. Some less educated, people we know have just been feared into obedience.
We (OH and I) have doubted the meaning of ‘intelligence’ for years. What is an intelligent person? I think you may be onto something about the hypnotism; does a long time in the education system mean some are more susceptible? I really don’t know but at the moment the only rational conversations we’re having is with shopkeepers, workmen, some neighbours and a rag-bag of acquaintances, some with higher education backgrounds, some not.
As for us, we attribute our scepticism to being arsey bastards. We are now totally inured to being out-of-step with most people’s views on most issues so this is only an extreme form for us. Our geo-political understanding has finally come home and it has found the British woefully but expectedly wanting. I won’t go through our history of dissidence – ‘don’t want to lose the few friends we’ve got! – but suffice to say our causes were generally ‘left’ although never Labour (nu or otherwise) and absolutely not ‘woke’!
Now left/right are bankrupt terms, it’s them v us and no mistake. My OH has just suggested that another thing we’ve somehow retained is a sense of humour. This is something that seems to have disappeared fast in the general population, and it has been happening for years. Thank god it’s still flourishing on this site, something to cherish.
FInally, we do not follow MSM or social media and we make a point of talking to real-life people as much as possible, even if it isn’t always a good experience. I am sure this is a big factor in our retaining some sanity although weirdly, one of my husband’s brothers, a graduate and a dead-ringer for a bedwetter, is being very robust and he’s on Arsebook all the time!
Agree. What does OH stand for?
Other half.
That’s funny.
I’ve had about five people try to hypnotise me over the years.
They all failed.
The only time I allowed someone to attempt it on me they failed miserably also. They confessed that I wasn’t hypnotisable (is there such a word?—there is now!
God bless Lord Lloyd-Webber, but who on earth is going to pay out for socially distanced, masked, theatre?
https://www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/photos-beverley-knight-palladium-social-distance_52050.html
Has the rule changed since yesterday?
It will not be compulsory for customers to wear masks or similar coverings in hairdressers, gyms, dine-in restaurants and pubs or cinemas, concert halls or theatres.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/23/face-masks-mandatory-shops-takeaways-stations-england-friday
I think M’Lord L-M staged this event ahead of the latest diktat. I mean, God bless him, as far as I know he’s the only high-profile arts figure to actually try to deal with the problem. The rest of them (mainly in the Arts Council Maintained sector) are just sitting on their arses discussing how they can turn the latest Guardian editorial into a piece of socially distanced “performance” to be relayed on Zoom.
That’s if they have “measures in place to protect staff and the public from COVID-19.”
Yes but surely that’s spacing people out so the theatre is only a quarter full?
(And does that mean the tickets cost four times as much as normal?!)
Probably. Yet they can do a sensible risk assessment within the law and fill the place. I am losing sympathy for those that do little to resist the madness.
You can bet it will be about ‘measures’ more than sense, Cheez.
Law and guidance. Those you mention do not need to enforce mask or much else. So do because they do not know, some because they are stupid.
“I wanna here you say yeah!”
“mmmmh”
Yer sod that for a game of entertainment. Muppets. I am sure one of our most esteemed theatres is going to go bust if it hasn’t done already. I talked to the manager and she told me this a while ago now.
Bizarrely, you do not have to wear a mask in theatres and cinemas, even though you’d likely be in there far longer than in any shop…
And if you spend an hour in a cafe with friends, plus people serving you – no mask. But run in, grab butty, pay, say “keep the change” and run out… You need a mask.
I thought it was all about contact?
And you’re sat pretty close to a complete stranger. And you could – GASP! – reach over and TOUCH THEM!!
Some good news!
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/24/sainsburys-asda-face-mask-laws-england-police-coronavirus-risk
Sainsbury’s, Asda and the Co-op are among the stores saying they do not plan to police the new rule ….
Jo Whitfield, who runs the Co-op’s 2,600 grocery stores, said its staff – who already received abuse from shoppers on a daily basis – would not challenge people who refused to toe the line.
“We’ll have in-store signage on the new rules around face coverings but we are clear that shop workers should not enforce the new legislation,” Whitfield said.
“On a daily basis they face abuse, threatening behaviour and even physical assault. Our own figures show that during the Covid-19 crisis such instances have risen and enforcing the wearing of face masks could be another flashpoint.”
More on abuse in Co-ops:
The Co-op is introducing body cameras for workers after in-store crime soared by 140% in the past year. It said the numbers of violent incidents hit record levels with 1,350 attacks experienced by workers in its shops in the first six months of 2020.
The company said it had not asked staff to challenge shoppers who were not wearing face covering. “We are aware that there are reasons why some customers are exempt, and it is the responsibility of all non-exempt customers to ensure they are in adherence with the new legal requirements,” the Co-op said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/23/face-masks-mandatory-shops-takeaways-stations-england-friday
I think some Sceptics have said the Co-op has been draconian about distancing. So it is their inebriated or extra-bolshy locals, or have they provoked trouble for themselves?
Businesses are concerned about potential threats to staff if they try to enforce the rules too strictly. Many retailers have already reported aggressive behaviour from some customers when trying to maintain social distancing measures.
Richard Walker, the boss of the frozen food chain Iceland, tweeted: “If mandatory face masks in shops will make our customers & colleagues safer then they are welcome – but we won’t put our staff at risk by asking them to police this.
Our local Coop still has red barriers in the middle of the narrow alley way (also ugly yellow painted dots next to the wall) but no longer enforces access at the door. They might want to remove these ugly and demeaning barriers and scuba the yellow paint to provide a calm shopping experience.
A Coop in the high peak wasted god knows how much money on traffic lights to limit the numbers of people in the store a few weeks ago. They have now gone, along with the stupid barriers.
Clearly some local managers have more brains than others.
So in the Co-op, you might now find random staff shoving a body camera in your face? It’s bad enough in Morrisons at the moment, that some security goons walk around filming you at close quarters. There’s no need for this invasive approach. I’m thinking of getting my own and shoving it in their faces! Essentially what a body camera says is “you are not trusted”. My tactic is to either treat body-camera-wearing scum as though they don’t exist, or give them a menacing look and glare at the camera.
Perhaps say “ooh can I look at that, isn’t it good?”, while casually wiping your boot polish coated finger over the lens…
Just back from Asda in Corby.
I was the only customer not gimped-up.
Nobody said anything; got a few double-takes.
Nice lady on the till seemed please to have a normal chat. Told me it was quiet.
I have to admit that this mask nonsense has pushed me back to the some of darkest days of this whole stupid debacle. And then Kim Jong Boris’ statement this morning about ‘anti-vaxxers are nuts’ really was the icing on the cake.
I’d not paid any attention to the vaccine debate before all this. I’ve now done a fair bit of research. The arguments against vaccines are far more nuanced and rational than the blob would have us believe. Like so many of these no go PC topics, once you take a look under the hood you find some very reasonable and sensible people just asking questions.
The two individuals in the vaccine debate that I’ve found most interesting, with some very compelling arguments, are Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and J.B. Handley.
I suspect that many on here will have been on a similar journey with vaccines.
In case you’re still on the fence, here’s some stuff that I found very helpful:
Robert F. Kennedy’s site https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
Debate/conversation between Kennedy and Alan Dershovitz yesterday on whether vaccines mandates are constitutionally valid in the US – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfnJi7yLKgE
J.B. Handley’s book ‘How to end the autism epidemic’ https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-End-Autism-Epidemic-Revealing/dp/1603588248
J.B. Handley’s blog ‘Did vaccines really save the world?’ https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/19/vaccinessavetheworld
Interview with JB Handley
Pt 1 https://tinyurl.com/yaodluwu
Pt 2 https://tinyurl.com/y7n5n39q
Conversation between Kennedy and Handley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeP7nJA9MY
As Mike Pompeo very wisely said yesterday (in relation to the CCP) –
‘Distrust and verify’
That could be a very good LS moto!
Hang in the there fellow Lockdown Sceptics.
I have just got round to writing to my MP, at long last. If anyone else wishes to so but hasn’t found time yet, you’re welcome to use my letter as a template:
Dear So-and-So,
I am writing to express my displeasure at the government’s recent ruling to make face masks a legal requirement in all shops in England, plus many other businesses besides. This is the most aggressive and remorseless assault on human rights inflicted by the British government on its citizens in modern history.
Like many other people, I understood the implementation of a lockdown at the end of March to be the in-road for a totalitarian state, and like all good people I abhor totalitarianism, but nevertheless I went along with the rules largely due to fear. It was not fear of catching or spreading the virus that kept me under house-arrest, but the fear of being punished by the government and socially ostracised by members of the public who have swallowed the government’s shameless parade of lies, inconsistencies and fallacies hook, line and sinker. It was that and the fact that there wasn’t anywhere I could go even if I wanted to. Now, enough is enough and I will play the game no more. The government says I must not show my face in shops. For the sake of all that is true and good and beautiful about life, I must defy the government.
I think it’s customary at this stage in proceedings for the unconverted recipient of the anti-lockdown gospel to interject with the insistence that the government policy has been strictly science-led and that absolute freedom does not include the ‘freedom to infect people’, and of course they’d be talking nonsense.
For one thing, ‘the science’ is far from conclusive and has frequently been terribly flawed. The lockdown itself was implemented partly on the insistence of Professor Neil Ferguson and his lurid fantasy that 500,000 people in the UK would die of Covid without it, an eventuality which has been proven entirely false by our friends in Sweden. Both Ferguson himself and his model have since been roundly discredited but heaven knows why it took so long when Ferguson has a proven track record of exaggerating the effects of pandemics beyond all proportion, as shown by his earlier forecasts for SARS and swine flu. What’s more, he evidently didn’t believe his own forecasts or else he wouldn’t have risked infecting his lover and her family when he broke his own rules to meet her. It is shameful that the government has persisted in justifying its tyranny with his claim of 500,000 deaths long after it was discredited and it is wholly dishonest to portray its interpretation of science as definitive when the man responsible for it operates with expertise of a mediaeval quack doctor and the accuracy of Mystic Meg.
Furthermore, ‘the science’ in April claimed that face masks do more harm than good. Now, apparently, they are vital. After years upon years of epidemiological research, I do not believe that science will suddenly change its mind about face masks at the drop of a hat unless it is instructed to do so for the furtherance of a government agenda. Even now, ‘the science’ is still highly contested, with many credible scientists opposing the use of masks and high-profile epidemiologists like Dr. Sunetra Gupta suggesting that we have already achieved herd immunity. If any further evidence were needed, let me quote from the Welsh Government’s advice on face coverings, thus: “At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community is not supported by high quality scientific evidence.”
Secondly, the nature of infection is a two-way street. It is as much about the ‘freedom to become infected’ as it as about the ‘freedom to infect’. The citizens of this country are, by and large, responsible adults. We do not live in a state of perpetual childhood in which we can never be trusted to act rationally and of our own accord. We are all aware of the virus but most among us understand that the risk of catching it on any given day is infinitesimally small, let alone the risk of being hospitalised and dying from it. Therefore, when two rational adults transmit the virus between themselves, they do so by mutual consent. We all know we might have it and we all know that any other person could be a potential carrier, and we are happy to engage despite the risk of infection because we know it is minute. Anyone who believes in the possibility and desirability of eternal life, if only they could avoid risk completely, is welcome to lock themselves down in their own homes. Then the rest of us could get on with earning a living and socialising healthily, since we cannot alleviate their problems merely by adding to our own.
Contd. in Pt II.
Good work. Every letter of dissent helps.
Call me psychic but I got a vision of the reply you will get:
“Thank you for contacting me, you comments have been noted. We value your input, May I offer my thanks to you for your continued support for the Government in these extraordinary times”.
What on earth gives you that idea? Anyone would think we had reason to be cynical…
Template Letter Pt. II
As of today, I will be breaking the law every time I go shopping because I will not endorse totalitarianism and will not refuse myself the most fundamental human right to acknowledge my own humanity, which is expressed through my face, and to act independently as a free man, and whatever the shower of ministers and jumped-up journalists have to say on the matter, that does not make me a criminal, nor even selfish.
I am appealing for you to give great consideration to the totalitarian policy concerning masks, and its other lockdown bedfellows, and to stand up in Parliament and voice your objection to it, for the sake of your constituents and for everyone else in the country. Let us be governed by wisdom rather than excitement and let those in power for whom power is an end in itself make way for new leaders governed by principles of fairness and rationality.
Yours sincerely,
So-and-So
I read a article on OffGuardian today, and the opening paragraph sums things up well, article drifts a bit after that –
“Walk the streets in the United States and many countries these days and you will see streaming crowds of people possessed by demons, masked and anonymous, whose eyes look like vacuums, staring into space or out of empty sockets like the dead, afraid of their own ghosts. Fear and obedience oozes from them. Death walks the streets with people on leashes in lockstep.
That they have been the victims of a long-planned propaganda campaign to use an invisible virus to frighten them into submission and shut down the world’s economy for the global elites is beyond their ken. This is so even when the facts are there to prove otherwise.”
Why will school children in the future remember today’s date?
Another thread on that link asks if it will be gloves next, and points out how new regulations have been being brought in – Media posts pic as if from ‘normal life’ (before, it was people with masks) and the next minute – masks brought in.
Seems like the media are now promoting gloves… Remind me, how long is the MPs summer recess??? Although as we are being governed via SIs, I guess Matt Hancock can just sign a new one at whim.. There was no Parliamentary scrutiny re compulsory masking..
Gloves give me the heebie jeebies. They really are disgustingly insanitary! They are supposed to be worn for a certain task and disposed of immediately thereafter.
So who and what are they supposed to protect and from what?
Glove-wearing as a medical precaution outside surgery became commonplace during the AIDS scare. Do the glove-wearers think we’re going to be bleeding all over them?
I’ve noticed a few older people in Sweden wearing gloves in the supermarkets, but only in that type of shop. Seems a bit silly, as most supermarkets provide hand sanitiser at the entrance (but there is no one standing near it and absolutely no enforcement).
Gloves…ffs If you wear then for more than a few minutes your hands get really sweaty and I would imagine are a really good breeding ground for bacteria. Take then of and woo, your hands are going to be a real health hazard.
get boxing gloves .. to use when some herbert challenges you for not wearing a mask
Plastic gloves makes me anxious
Heavens, he looks as unhealthy as he deserves to be.
Round 1….Morrisons
Lady on door told me to mask up,said I was exempt.She asked for proof,told her I wasnt required to provide it,she said well maybe not today,I told her never.She said OH right.
Next stage of my strategy…..I pulled out an empty cellophane bag that they sell the blue masks in,said to lady,you know that blue mask you’re wearing?it says on the bag not for PPE,Oh she said.
Shop was unusually quiet,I was only one unmasked,no one said anything to me,check out girl lovely.
Do love the way shops have been flogging these masks,knowing they are not for PPE.
Mental.
Well played.
This is the message and clarification I got from Aldi:
Dear Clive,
I’m sorry that the previous response did not meet your expectation.
I can advise that the store will be challenging customers not wearing these and unless there is a medical reason for not wearing one then entry would be refused.
We would not physically restrain you but indeed the police would be called.
I hope this answers your questions.
Yours sincerely
Gary Morton
Customer Service Advisor
https://twitter.com/tlowdon/status/1286465340281516032/photo/2
Los Angeles County mandated masks on the 14th May. Look at this chart that the epidemic 8 weeks later is three times higher cases than when the masks started. If the masks cannot stop an accelerating outbreak how can they be effective at all in the UK with a minuscule of cases?
Unfortunately reality is just not as reliable as theoretical modelling mumbo jumbo
Visited my local shopping centre this morning and I was the only one unmasked. No one questioned me although the guy clicking everyone in and out of the indoor market stared at me but didn’t say anything. I did speak to him on the way and told him I was exempt and he said I thought you were. During the two minute conversation he must have touched his mask ten times.
I came home and felt so guilty and selfish for not doing my part to help others. I have never felt like this before and I do not want to go shopping ever again!
Why do you feel guilty and selfish? You should feel proud that you’ve stood up for common decency and un-selfish in that you’ve done your little it to help others overcome their own stupidity.
Yes, you are not the guilty and selfish one.
You did your bit. Shows shopping unmasked can be done painlessly.
Someone else who was in the shop might follow your lead next time.
You ARE doing your bit to help others, Lydia. You are helping to break the spell this evil government has woven and helping people get back to a real normal and not this Handmaid’s Tale, Gilead ‘new normal’. What we are doing is nothing compared to what the young boys and men in the two world wars went through for our freedoms. We stand on their shoulders and must not let THEM down.
As Biker put it earlier, going into a shop unmasked is not quite comparable to storing the Normandy beaches …
Yes, not nice for normally unobtrusive and law-abiding people, but well within our capacities.
What a terrible way to have been made to feel for just going shopping. It makes me so angry that we are being forced to feel we are murdering other vulnerable people.
That’s how I felt Wendy and it wasn’t very nice experience. There were no other people unmasked and I felt like I was the bad one. If there was a mix of people in masks and unmasked then it possibly would have felt different. Before today I always went shopping with my mum and kids but there is no way I would take my children shopping again as I do not want them to see everyone in masks.
I’m the same – not letting my toddlers see hordes of masked zombies.
Just remember, they want you to feel like ‘the bad one’. You are not; it’s about silent coercion. You’re the one standing up for deeply held principle. That’s not bad.
agree
Well you certainly caused her to start thinking. Let’s hope she asks others the same questions.
Well done!
I think you’re absolutely right in attempting to treat people as if they might be capable of rational thought.
Can anyone suggest examples of where government ‘science’ and expert advice have turned out to be wrong in the past? I can think of WMD. And the dash for diesel was a great example, but was slightly under the radar for most people – and then the catastrophe was neutralised by VW taking on the role of scapegoat.
Any others?
The most recent example: the lockdown…
And I don’t think Ferguson was ever right on any of the previous “projections” of major epidemics… His vCJD scare-mongering was a spectacular fail, for example
Yes, but I’m hoping to be able to point to undeniable examples in the past in order to argue that government experts are not infallible.
Why wouldn’t this qualify: https://www.oie.int/doc/ged/D3278.PDF ?
It would! Many thanks (I think I replied to your earlier comment before it was edited).
I edited about the vCJD, I think, but just google that, you’ll fall off your chair when you compare how many he predicted would die from it, and how many actually have!
Isn’t it only about a couple of hundred worldwide? Compared to his prediction of thousands, if not more?
I think his prediction was something like 50–50k when below 180 have actually died. Although “technically,” he wasn’t “wrong;” but then again, it’s the equivalent of me saying “I predict that between 2 and 10’000’000 will die in the UK from COVID-19,” and I don’t need his “model” to make that “prediction”
Most of “fallibility” is not about fallibility but about skewing and mis-representing data. I wrote a scathing attack on the Royal Society’s “masks are good” paper and sent it to the President of the RS and someone who was more involved in the paper, all I got was thanks for the comments and criticism; some of the studies they were presenting had p-value (the probablity of falsely rejecting the null hypothesis (that a measure makes no difference)) over 0.5, or approach 1 in one case, when the “accepted” value for p-value “validation” of the alternative hypothesis (that the measure makes a difference) is below 0.05…
If you want to be controversial, and slightly off-topic, the advice to ‘stay put’ in a tower block that is on fire – Grenfell?
There’s a few in here
Scared to Death: From BSE to Global Warming: Why Scares are Costing Us the Earthhttps://tinyurl.com/yyt769k8
Thanks. Now I come to think about it, perhaps a better line of attack is to ask my opponent if they can name any examples of where expert advice to government has been shown to be good!
Measles scare in the early 1990s.
The Foot & Mouth scandal – which I’m thinking was “sponsored” by the seed industry – massive and extremely powerful part of Big Ag.
Whatever happend to the hole in the ozone layer?
And, the Millennium bug, of course. Though I can’t complain about that one as I got quite a lot of work from it!!
Maybe it’s been said below but what about thalidomide? I am always grateful that my mother refused the prescription given to her. It has always stayed with me all my life of what I might have suffered and it has made me very cautious of medications and over speedily developed vaccines
How about the advice to reduce fat in your diet and eat more carbohydrates?
Actually, that is not bad advice!
It is if taken as a cure-all in all situations.
I think we now know that eating fat doesn’t make you fat, but too many carbs will – plus the extra risk of developing diabetes.
Disclaimer – I’m not a dietician!
Good fat won’t make you fat such as that from meats, real cheese, yoghurts, eggs, etc. It’s the transfat and those in processed food that are the dangerous ones as the body can’t break them down and they hang around building up in the body.
Yes and those are the ones the government told us to eat instead of the good fats.
Do the opposite of what NHS dieticians tell you!
That’s appalling advice. It has caused an epidemic of diabetes!
The problem isn’t the ‘expert’ or ‘science’. It’s the distortion of both concepts to a political purpose. (Note – that ‘political’ impulse can originate also in the scientific community – as we have seen in some epidemiologists, virologists and public health specialists wildly overstating conclusions that are essentially based on guesswork in order to enhance their status and role. The Ferguson/ICL work is the classic, of course.)
In the current situation, the main issue has been to filter experts and knowledge through a propaganda net that distorts the actual evidence through selective and distorted reporting.
Swine Flu 2009. The numbers were way out for the UK in particular
AIDS we were told it would wipe out millions and effect everyone. In fact it mainly affected passive gay men and injecting drug users. That did not stop the BBC creating Mark Fowler the East Enders character who caught it from shagging a woman! Maybe the BBC were not much better then!
Fouci, the American Ferguson, predicting 30 years ago that AIDS could be transmitted by casual social contact, share a bottle of wine and you’re all gonna die.
I had a disappointing response from my MP, James Daly in Bury North, to my emails to him against compulsory masks. He ignored all the arguments I presented against mask wearing. He wrote: “While I understand that the science in this area has evolved during the outbreak, the body of scientific evidence that has built up, shows that the risk of transmission is made lower by wearing a face covering.” I have asked him to provide details. The evidence from the CDC in the US, in May (that the evidence from 14 randomised control trials did not support a substantial effect from mask wearing on transmission of the influenza virus) and the figures from New Mexico and California showing much higher rates of infection after the introduction of compulsory masks, would be very hard to gainsay; but I thought it only fair to see the evidence for compulsory masks.
Why are you wasting your time writing to a twat?
Talking of twats, do we know if Boris Johnson visited Twatt whilst in Orkney yesterday?
Did they cover over the place name sign to avoid and awkward photo ops?
They probably did, but it wouldn’t make any difference as you’ve just got to look at him and it’s the first word that enters your head.
Yet again another template reply.
Jesus wept.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613.htmlThis is about the swine flu pandemic 2009.I think a must read for lockdown sceptics. Sounds familiar?Quote “Sometimes some of us think that WHO stands for World Hysteria Organization,” says Richard Schabas, the former chief medical officer for Canada’s Ontario Province.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613.html
Very, very interesting.
Had this, horrible flu. Also it affected kids seemingly worse than adults. The difference then was how the media worked. Smart phones and news via social media weren’t a thing.
Synchronistically I’d just written this comment in response to a different but related topic.
The Foot & Mouth scandal – which I’m thinking was “sponsored” by the seed industry – massive and extremely powerful part of Big Ag.
Just read through this article. It gives a disturbing insight into how and why the world reacted to Covid-19 the way it did.Swine flu turned out to be so much less lethal – a fraction of the deaths of ordinary seasonal flu – that the fear and panic couldn’t be sustained. It’s no surprise then that with a disease that genuinely kills thousands – even if it’s still much less deadly than predicted, and not actually much worse than a bad flu year – has resulted in society and the media going totally nuts.
The article is understandably focused on the German media and government response. Was there a similar response here in the UK – I have no memory of it, though I do remember SARS in 2003 and bird flu in 2005.
Even more disturbing is reading how eager the pharmaceutical industry was for the outbreak to be classed as a “pandemic” so they could start mass-producing the vaccine.
Interesting summary re. research on mask wearing on the CEBM website :
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
It’s written in the usual measured manner of the Group, but, stepping back, the evidence clearly blows out of the water any rationale for wearing masks in the current situation – *if* you stick to the basic, long-established principles of risk/established benefit analysis.
The recent Norwegian study makes a key point :
” Norway’s Institute for Public Health reported that if masks did work then any difference in infection rates would be small when infection rates are low: assuming 20% asymptomatics and a risk reduction of 40% for wearing masks, 200 000 people would need to wear one to prevent one new infection per week.”
That reminds me, any news on the Danish Mask study? I believe the results were expected around now…
Great info from them, yet again!
What a brilliant example of the sort of light-hearted, friendly but punchy conversation we all need to have with people. This is exactly how we will wake people up and get them to start thinking for themselves. Fantastic.
Yes, – and fairly easy to ask how many of said shop assistant’s colleagues have had the virus. We know the answer is likely to be ‘few’ or ‘none’ and it is natural to then point out that with the number of people they meet and products they touch, then if it was that dangerous then you’d have expected more cases… Definitely a way to get them thinking (and hopefully others in the queue, if they are not too ‘socially-distanced’ away!)
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1286517178309779457/photo/2
Dr Anthony Fauci, US corona virus czar smiles while attending opening of baseball. Btw the one now recommending all to wear masks.
…with his mask under his chin – says it all!
Good piece by Tom Woods in the US and he’s giving away free ebook!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RDffMCAujg
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A pleasant morning near Wandsworth Common. Plenty of people about both on the Common and on the street, almost nobody wearing a mask. Got my paper from a nearby independent grocer/shop, six people in there, three with masks on, three without. I wore my mask but looped below my mouth and nose. No one seemed to care, certainly not the shop assistant. Passed by the local Sainsburys which usually has a queue of about half a dozen outside, no queue and I thought I spotted two shoppers coming out, one without a mask on and another with their mask pulled down.
Yesterday it was reported that a number of coaches at St Mirren football club tested positive for coronavirus at a private centre. After retesting with NHS they are now negative. Make of that what you will.
Six St Mirren coaches get coronavirus all-clear after retestsPaisley club sent staff for NHS checks after they tested positive for Covid-19 at a private centre.
https://news.stv.tv/sport/st-mirren-coaches-get-coronavirus-all-clear-after-retests?top
you couldn’t make it up….
We all know how unreliable these tests are.
It is a good thing that they retested and it was negative otherwise they would have locked the place down
Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/07/face-coverings-in-shops-its-all-about-store-policy-and-its-reward-or-punishment-so-dont-make-excuses-to-be-allowed-in/
Thanks; interesting analysis- although since the article was written it is obviously now law (and not just store policy) to wear face coverings in shops. But the deliberate creation of a national mood and expectation around mask wearing is quite valid.
This is another thought-provoking article on the same site:
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/07/exiting-babylon-the-only-way-to-escape-being-prey-for-uk-government-in-perpetuity/
Yes, there is legislation, but the scheme would work with or without it given that essentially it is a matter of shops adopting a policy or not.
I think the key point is that the law doesn’t compel shopkeepers to enforce the face coverings – only the individual customer is liable. Ergo, it is still essentially a policy decision for the store whether they care to make a big deal about it or not – at no risk to them (unless they fear losing the custom of the muzzled).
Great links thanks.
Just off the phone from a dear friend – 78 widowed years ago tough resilient (we’ve been having supper on Sunday nights throughout these last 6 months) but pacemaker heart fragile and she gets anxious. Bad varicose veins on legs she’s managed for years but problemsworsened in early May. Took photo for her here on iPad and sent to Dr GP in village as he wasn’t doing face to face and of course no appointments. He prescribed cream online. Legs worsened. She got desperate and after many phone calls and irritating discussions eventually had to decide to pay £150 to see a consultant in August at local Spire hospital as only way for a medical person to see it. Leg got worse. She called into minor injuries hospital near Beverley yesterday to see someone. After many phone calls and speaking through voice entrance allowed in. Hospital empty. Tumbleweed blowing in corridors. Turns out it is now an ulcerated leg, the cream was the wrong one, and she can’t get a wound clinic appointment until next Wednesday. She is incandescent. Wants me to write to MP on her behalf (I will) and has asked where are all the consultants, what are they doing, why are we paying them and why are we giving them more????? Can anyone in charge let me know – oh wait ….
Try looking down the golf course. One of the great faikures of our country has been the cowardliness of consultants and other highly paid health professionals to stand tall. They are a group of degenerates. I know their are exceptions proving the rule.
None of them willing to stand with the people for the right cause. Afraid they may lose their double garage lifestyles while others are losing their lives.
Film the wound and someone to talk on film and send to Simon Dolan – they are looking for evidence like this.
OK. Yes. .
Great idea!
friday + sun’s out = consultants playing golf
god why did you watch that drivel – propaganda of the highest order…. well to be fair a lot of health workers did exceptional jobs on the covid wards etc. Not sure what the other 75% were doing
The hand sanitiser is another can of worms—nobody ever reads the label—most say along the lines of “work for 2 minutes!” simply because the formulation is so weak that to meet the BSI standard they need to say that :)) Reminds me of that mouthwash that “fights germs” getting recalled because there was a risk it was contaminated with… bacteria!
My daughter has suggested that it makes perfect sense for Wales to ban the reading of newspapers; after all there is the very real danger that they may spread the truth (some of themat least)!
The day I’ve joked about before has actually arrived…!
Medical care is now being denied to face nappy refusniks and their children
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/face-masks-gp-surgery-cardiff-18654324?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Latest ONS infection survey is out. I keep an eye on it every week. They continue to report new infections as the decline as levelled off since May. So it’s not falling but it’s not statistically significantly rising either.
I’m more or less convinced at this point that those figures are largely false positives: as far as I can tell they’re getting fewer than 10 infections per 25000 people and then extrapolating (!) it to 55 million people.
Infections or cases? Genuine question not wanting to be pedantic or even sound like I am by saying so! Is ‘infections’ now the term?
Almost certainly false positives anyway – esp since it seems to be flat-lining!
Yes the percentage of tests graph a few days ago showed that. I’m interested in the terms.
Case is so in control.
Infection is so toxic.
The propaganda isn’t based on much else that emotional flavours in words. It would be interesting to see how closely framed words are operating in other languages.
Infection does sound toxic, but it’s more technically correct. You can be infected with the virus without being a medical case requiring treatment
ONS estimate currently at any given point in time England has around 27,000 people who have tested positive for the virus that causes the illness Covid-19. There seems to be very few admissions to hospitals currently so these people must mostly be recovering.
Wouldn’t it be good if this could be reported by MSM as to do so would totally undermine the fear. But my conversations with frightened people lead me to believe they have been so taken in by the fear and misinformation they can’t take on board that there is little to fear. It’s all very very sad, disappointing and generally anger making
27,000 is almost certainly a gross over-estimation too. It was ~30,000 about a month ago if I recall, and given it’s been in decline (R < 1) the entire time, it should be a lot less than that now. I do remember reading something about them changing the way they calculate community infections but I can’t recall what it was that changed/why.
Either way, as the good Dr Carl H wrote about in speccie (unsurprisingly _not_ covered on the BBC, Guardian and co) loads of these are false anyway, beggars belief.
Well infections and cases are being used to mean the same thing. An infection could have no symptoms. Usually a case was when a person was unwell enough to be admitted to hospital for treatment. With other viral illnesses we have always said infections. Cases seems to cause more panic and fear.
Likewise ‘coronavirus’ and ‘COVID19’.
Yes it’s got all muddled up hasn’t it. There is the particular coronavirus that causes the illness COVID-19 but people are not always unwell as we all know there are many asymptomatic infections even in the frail elderly living in care homes which the ONS Vivaldi study has demonstrated. How to get these studies to be reported on in MSM I don’t know.
As we keep saying: doesn’t fit the narrative…….
they keep changing the goal posts, narrative, what they’re testing and definitions etc on purpose to keep people confused. Also lack of consistency on what measuring/announcing means more difficult to compare over time and keeps the fear factor maintained.
The corona virus or covid-19 usage has been mixed. In such situations I find it’s always noteworthy to see if there is an official language used when speaking to children, often this is less threatening than official language used towards adults. Where there is a divide like that it is clear there is an effort to cause an effect.
For now I feel that the corona causes covid message is lost organically.
In the early days of lockup I was on a forum explaining this point about corona virus causing an illness covid-19. People did not understand. I used the HIV causes AIDS analogy but wished I hadn’t!
Thanks Wendy. I see things entirely differently I’d be pleased to be a case but not hsve an infection. But I do understand the logic as you say for a case to be made a registering within a process needs to have occured.
Thanks for discussing – it a bit trivial perhaps. But these emotive terms are where they, them, are fighting.
Completely agree about the recoveries. We don’t need to discuss the why’s of keeping the recoveries out of view.
If they just honestly called them positive test results, there wouldn’t be this confusion.
Surely, this is a big day for Royston Vasey’s greatest living cafe proprietor; are you there KH1485?
Probably rushed off his feet at the moment!
If there is a surge of infection in the winter (which is perfectly feasible) will the people exempt from mask wearing be blamed for being superspreaders?
That’s how science seems to be working these days.
Of course they will. That’s when Cressida Dick and the rest of the Brownshirts will roll out the Kristallnacht ‘bash a dissenter’ scheme.
Johnny Smugface on top form. Terrific. Especially on how kind and decent liberals like him are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u2_zf5FxJs
… zero tolerance – it’s about empathy, kindness ….
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, I’ve been unable to keep up with threads over tge past days.
Do you remember the funny little story about Russia trying to hack out UK covud vaccine secrets?
Well, well, in the USA, its been tge same story, at the same time, for tge same reasons, only they use a different word in the states. Russia has been replaced with the word China.
Use a search term like ‘china stealing usa covid vaccine’ to find msm articles.
Once again no sense of peril comes from these stories – it’s as though the boys club has become psychotic. The boy who cries wolf would be mandatory reading for all spooks if I had my way.
The Russians have leaked the the stolen documents on the Dark Web. The ingredients for the vaccine are listed as: Sodium Chloride and Dihydrogen monoxide.
remember that time when Penn and Teller got dumbarse hippies to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide? :-))))
found it, surprisingly applicable to “get onboard” covid panic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw
daveyp, your comment of yesterday ?
What comment, I don’t think I posted yesterday
Just found it, it’s looks like i must’ve pasted a password into the comment box lol!
Ta. Was getting worried for a while …
Pity that isn’t all the “vaccine” will contain!
Yes, the same agenda. Re the Russian interference / spy thing – the fact that Russia is behind this is nonsense, it is just an excuse to legislate for mass censorship.
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-07-22T11_18_32-07_00
Its not even trying to be creative or different or hidden. I wonder if in Russian and Chijna they are saying UK and USA are trying to steal our vaccines? Then I remember our spooks are school boys in long trousers out of touch with a decent purposeful world view.
How many bad decisions have to be made before an organisation like the integrity initiative is born?!
Just been for a lunchtime stroll around the park – loads of people out enjoying the sun, not particularly bothered by distancing – and very few face nappies. (South East London).
Approached a small cafe – with my fully exposed face! – and the owner warmly beckoned me in where I bought an ice cream to take away. Ludicrous that this is now an offence. A couple of others did the same. #BritainFightsBack
Vote with you wallet – support businesses that ignore the nonesense and walk away if they only want bedwetters’ custom. That’s how to fight it.
Manor House Gardens, Lewisham
Yup – I think the locals are already getting uppity with road closures along Manor Lane and surrounding area causing chaos – rushed through by the council under emergency covid powers. They’ve been wanted to do it for ages, but sticking a covid sign next to road closed means they can bypass the usual process. Obviously.
General Eisenhower, who became president of the USA in the 1950’s, said on leaving office that his biggest fear was that the ‘military industrial complex’—built up by the ‘arsenal of democracy’ so necessary to win the second world war—would in itself go on to become a threat to world peace. And boy has this proven to be the case. The Military industrial complex is a huge multi billion dollar empire that in order to satisfy its insatiable thirst for profits has to go in search of enemies whether they exist or not and whether they are real or not.
I’ve been well aware of this for many years now but I must admit that until recently I hadn’t stopped to think that the Pharmaceutical industry was based on the same anti human self perpetuating business model. The ‘Pharmaceutical industrial complex’ is just as prevalent and just as evil (and I don’t use that word lightly) as ever is the military organisation.
On the one hand we have weapons of death and destruction being developed and manufactured in order to ‘preserve world peace and to spread democracy and freedom throughout the world’. Whilst in so doing bringing about the death and destruction of millions. And now we have measures in place to protect us from a deadly virus whilst a ‘vaccine’ is concocted to protect us all. Why am I suspicious of this ? Why do I think that if the likes of Bill Gates, with his untold millions and who professes to have only the welfare of humanity at heart, might just, if he thought about it seriously, decide that supplying the two thirds of the world’s population who lack clean drinking water with just that might be a positive way of improving and indeed saving the lives of millions? Am I now too cynical? Or is the road to profit non existent with something as simple as water supplies when compared to developing a vaccine for a flu like virus which creates the road to untold and ongoing profits.
There used to be a word for the richest when they did good works it was PHILANTHROPY and those who practised it were PHILANTHOPISTS . History can number many examples of these people from Andrew Carnegie through to the Quaker chocolate makers of York. Now it seems Philanthropy no longer exists and it has been usurped by PHILANTHROCAPITALISM and it is this new and despicable money making activity that drives the likes of Bill gates.
Why am I talking about this when the current concern is face masks? Because, as you dear people reading this are only too aware, it is the abandonment of our very humanity and individualism behind a mask that convinces those who would exploit us all for profit that we are ripe for the picking. They can do with us whatever they choose. We mustn’t let this happen—-DON’T WEAR A MASK!—-time to say enough is enough!
Philanthropy by the rich nowadays is as much, or solely, for the tax break that it affords as it is for any good that would result. Why pay the government millions when you can instead dump that money on your friend’s wife’s charity and have a nice building named after you? Not saying this hasn’t always been the case, but at least in the days of Carnegie, or the Peabody and Guinness dynasts they had some thought of the ‘everafter’ to which their souls may be consigned.
Very well put HH!
Good stuff from Ike but I think Churchill’s ‘.. then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.’ is more powerful and horribly resonant just now.
That’s the way to do it. I also like talking to a sceptic friend very loudly on the phone whilst walking around the shop. Everyone earwigs. You get tutted and sneered at, but also smiled at knowingly and stared at questioningly. It gets ppl thinking.
Notice The Telegraph doesn’t mention ‘if wearing a mask causes sever distress’ as an exemption. Don’t know if that’s a mistake or deliberate. Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s the latter.
Does it matter? The exemption mentions distress and doesn’t say you have to provide any evidence.
Mandatory gloves next? From the House of Lords today “Health minister Lord Bethell, concluding a debate on coronavirus regulations, replied: “To date, gloves are not in the guidance but they remain an area that we’re looking at.”
Uggh. What is the end objective? I CAN NOT be to manage a non lethal virus
the madness continues – gloves unless in clinical setting and replaced with every patient are utterly useless – everyone will wear same gloves for weeks and the gunk on them would be unbelieveable. what happened to ‘washing your hands’ mantra which is probably much better
Precisely!
Rub a little buter on your hands (fat) – wash your hands with warm to hot water and the butter takes some remving. Now wash hands with water and soap. The butter is removed effectively. It’s the same for the lipid layers of viruses. One of the BEST ways to minimise transmission is to wash hands with soap and water!
DavidC
https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/now-it-s-gloves-as-well Looks like pre-conditioning for gloves may already have started…
And there will be more and more litter that will harm our environment – the scale of disposable muzzles and gloves already in our woods and seas is already appalling.
The Covid-19 science problem series: how Covid-19 is an issue of health terrain potentially damaged by prescription drugs, and only a few thousand have ever dies of it.
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/the-covid-19-science-problem-part-one-for-the-sake-of-propaganda-there-is-no-unified-understanding-of-the-disease/
Yes, polypharmacy (many people on large numbers of pharmaceutical drugs, many contraindications, often side effects result in new prescriptions) is a major factor in contributing to co-morbidities.
My understanding is that SARS-Cov2 has, to date, fulfilled NONE of Koch’s 4 postulates! I’m happy to be corrected though. Does the viruse even exist if it hasn’t been isolated as a unique organism?
DavidC
I think there is a crowd-sourced legal action demanding “The Government” prove that SARS-CoV2 exists going on right now.
Talking of legal action, any word on how Jolyon Maugham’s case re the handing out of PPE contracts to friends of the government is going?
SARS-COV-2 doesn’t exist, but don’t take anyone else’s word for ithttp://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/06/sars-cov-2-doesnt-exist-but-dont-take-anyone-elses-word-for-it/
Anyone else spotted this? Test and Trace is unlawful, now why I am not surprised?
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-test-and-trace-unlawful-data
Sad to say it, but the passage of the coronavirus act effectively ended the rule of law in this country, so this is basically meaningless.
Even if it was legal, there is no obligation to provide the information.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/maintaining-records-of-staff-customers-and-visitors-to-support-nhs-test-and-trace
If someone does not wish to share their details, or provides incorrect information
Although this is voluntary, please encourage customers and visitors to share their details in order to support NHS Test and Trace and advise them that this information will only be used where necessary to help stop the spread of COVID-19.
If a customer or visitor informs you that they do not want their details shared for the purposes of NHS Test and Trace, they can choose to opt out, and if they do so you should not share their information used for booking purposes with NHS Test and Trace.
The accuracy of the information provided will be the responsibility of the individual who provides it. You do not have to verify an individual’s identity for NHS Test and Trace purposes.
DavidC
What’s most surprising is that there is so much wrong with the whole T&T concept and existing data protection legislation ( none of which has been repealed). All these cafes/pubs that have been collecting personal data have no idea what obligations and potential liabilities they’re assuming. Unbelievable that few are picking up on this. However there’s so much that’s unbelievable, it’s impossible to keep up with all the inconsistencies between CoVid regulations being imposed ad hoc and existing legislation. That’s the problem when laws are introduced with no regulatory impact analysis/ cost /benefit analysis, no debate or accountability. Nothing. And not a peep from politicians or media. I despair
They should be fined by the ICO for data breach of GDPR regs. I cannot believe, (or maybe i can with this shitstorm of government), that they bring in a process/app to capture individuals’ personal data and don’t carry out a data protection assessment. They probably did and just ignored it
Good account thanks. Still doesn’t beat “…don’t start me!”
There was a time when a coronavirus case was when people were ill enough to be admitted to hospital. The fatality rate then was unsurprisingly high.
Now they have changed a case to anybody who tests positive but still act as though they’re the same as the previous definition of a case. The assumption being that a case will lead to the same level of death as before and actions taken on that basis.
You may recall I wrote last night to Dave Lewis, CEO of Tesco (that ‘Dave’ has a very ‘I’m your best mate’ feel to it).
I thought I’d share the exchange this afternoon, purely for the record. If you are writing to other CEO’s, ask them to share takings details not footfall. My experience of retailers tells me that they have daily takings figures for every shop in their chain. They will already have them for Scotland.
[It may be that I am wrong – don’t tell Mrs BTL that I admitted the possibility – and that footfall and takings are unaffected by masking – but I doubt it.]
From Tesco:
“Thank you for your email addressed to Dave Lewis, our Chief Executive, I have been asked to respond on his behalf.
From Friday 24 July, in line with new government guidelines, customers will need to wear a face covering when visiting our stores in England. This guidance has already been introduced in Scotland.
I understand your concerns however we cannot overturn the Governments decision nor do we have the resources to monitor the footfall through each of our stores.
Thank you for your feedback and I am sorry that I could not be of further help.
Kind regards,
xxx
Customer Service Specialist”
0 – 0 – 0 – 0
From me:
“Thank you for responding so swiftly.
If you don’t track footfall, you will at least track store takings daily. That should also be an indicator. A switch from in-store to online shopping will, of course, fail to achieve the Government’s stated objective of getting people out and about again.
I hope to be able to meet your excellent store staff again once the edict has been revoked.
With best wishes,”
footfall measurement can be done automatically by sensors at the door – i don’t know if tesco have these – at mine they have shoulder high things which could be sensors or more likely security alarm things which are always going off
Pretty sure all big shops monitor footfall – it’s a standard metric when reporting to the City.
Yes, it’s a useful early indicator. Ultimately, the important metric (for the bottom line) is cash per square foot, as it takes into account ‘bogof’ and other discounts. Online deliveries complicate all the metrics, however – they make less money on deliveries – so we should be aiming to smoke them out that way if they get arsey on masks.
Why do they make less money on deliveries? There are logistics and transport costs, but I would have thought that wage and real estate costs were lower. Genuine question.
Surely takings would include online shopping, so would not be able to tell if people have been deterred by the mask rule? They may be just ordering from the store online instead.
Surely the number of till transactions are easy to count, rather than foofall?
Except of course this won’t work for the simple reason that before, when the LD started, they weren’t even recording people who were symptomatic ( let alone those who were asymptomatic). Only those who were admitted to hospital and tested positive were recorded as ‘cases’. The whole basis of recording has changed so you’re quite right to point out the fundamental difference yet BBC in particular hasn’t highlighted this at all and I’m afraid people are too stupid to notice. I’ve now complained to the BBC on 2 separate occasions how they’re entirely misrepresenting the actual risk and of lazy journalism. Got stock anodyne replies that they take pains to represent ‘all views’. Not my point. It’s not about balance here it’s about inaccurate reporting you muppets. Btw, Hitchens is on Any Questions On R4 at 8pm tonight
Ok I’ve just been into a shop (in Leeds- so I wasn’t at all confident they’d let me in). I had an encounter and I’m still laughing.
When asked to wear a mask, I panicked a bit and just blurted out, “No, sorry, I have phobophobia” (fear of fear). I expected to be told to piss off.
The guy nodded his head solemnly and said, “OK that’s fine you’re an exemption then” and waved me forward.
He didn’t notice me burst out laughing round the corner.
Maybe we can use this in future.
Autophobia – fear of isolation
Cacophobia – fear of ugliness
Carcinophobia – fear of cancer
Halitophobia – fear of bad breath…….
And of course the immortal claustrophobia, but that’s prob not exotic enough for instant admittance
ha! I’m going to try that line
I definately have Halitophobia
Wouldn’t that be a reason to want to wear a mask ( or want everyone else to wear them)?
What if it’s your own breath you’re scared of?
bad breath, like cv19, does not respect masks
i’ve got gamophobia – fear of commitment and marriage!
(aka too independent, stubborn, opinionated, uncompromising difficult old mare!!! i blame boarding school!! ha
I’m wearing a bandana in shops because of the very high risk of ‘barbaphagicitis’, where depriving a beard of oxygen by wearing a tight mask causes it *literally* to eat itself! A very real risk, I’m suprised the authorities have ignored the science on this. I also suffer from ‘barbaphagicitisphobia’.
I am honestly mortified that mask insanity may cause a good proportion of the nation’s menfolk to renounce their beardly splendour. The only positive thing about today’s hipster fashions is the facial hair.
I have been mistaken for a Mohammedan by a Mohammedan because of my resplendent beard on several occasions. This can only be a plus, obviously.
On the other hand, lockdown has meant that many of us shave far less often than we used to.
Thanatophobia is usually a good one to go for
Game of chess anyone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4yXBIigZbg
Claustrophobia is usually though of as a fear of confined spaces, and that is not incorrect but it is also a fear of suffocation, so 100% relevant to not wearing a soggy rag over your face.
Another to consider:
Linonophobia refers to the fear of string. As with all phobias, the fear stems from a negative association with the item.
Allodoxaphobia
An extremely rare phobia, allodoxaphobia is used to define the fear of opinions. The phobia is believed to be associated with previous encounters wherein the person affected has not been able to properly express their opinion, or has had their opinion rejected. It is visible in social situations when the affected person refuses to involve themselves in discussions and can also reflect a fear of confrontation.
And one that the masses clearly all suffer from:
OptophobiaOptophobia is the fear of opening one’s eyes. Yes, there are people scared of opening their eyes.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
PHOBOPHOBIA!
lol, that’s the funnies thing I have seen all week!
You could say you have Aneleutherophobia – the fear of loss of freedom (i made that one up).
I might say that I have narcissistic personality disorder. That’s what the Daily Mail calls us mask refuseat so we should adopt the badge with pride.
I’ll bet the British media aren’t telling you this, but out here on my Greek island, not one – zero – British arrival has tested positive for Covid since direct flights started 9 days ago. They’ve tested thousands on arrival but not one is a carrier. It’s gone from the general U.K. population. Come on out if you want to be treated like a human being, instead of a diseased robot. We would love to see you. Tavernas, bars, accommodation, beaches, all open. Sunbeds set apart on the beaches – which is nice – and if you go into a supermarket you are asked to wear a mask. I’m doing that because I’m in somebody else’s country and out of respect must abide by the rules here. But it’s a laidback atmosphere, nobody growling at you or watching you, and you are made to feel very welcome. Nobody is creeping around dismally, frightened of their own shadow, and nobody is really very upset about it at all. Come on over, the water is lovely!
Which island?
My islands are Spetse and Lesbos
My heavens.
My Spetsian family have invited me over. I want to go but I don’t want to be tested
Go! They don’t test everyone, just about half of all arrivals. You fill in a Passenger Locator Form before you fly, get a QR code sent to you, and you present this to the border control people on arrival. This code decides whether or not you are tested. But the test is easy, just taken as a swab from the back of the throat – didn’t hurt at all and was over in seconds. You are then allowed into Greece. I was really worried about it before I came over, but it was all fine. It is safe, relaxed, sunny, and welcoming over here. Normal.
Omg I’m going. Prob in Sept now thpugh, my acceptable temperature window has passed lol
The sea will be even warmer then, hopefully they will drop the insane rules and me and Mrs 2-6 might join you.
Hopefully we can stay there and never come back.
i don’t think i want some greek sticking anything in the back of my throat thanks very much. The fact you go along with it means they will keep doing it. Every one of us must refuse to do any of what they are saying and if you comply then i’m afraid you’re as big a threat to humanity as they are.
Ooh! Interesting testing of UK population outside the control of NHS, UK Army, UK Gov. Great report! Keep us informed about that first positive… they may even send one out to you especially!
I believe somebody mentioned a positive test result on another island recently – just one – but I’ll have to check on that. There have been positive results from Balkan country citizens at the Greek land border, but not here on the islands.
Yes I see your point, its not in Greece’s interests to boost the figures is it. This could be interesting indeed.
i love greece – was supposed to be flying to Preveza for Lefkas end August until sleazyjet cancelled my flight…. i think in august i’ll book something again for sept.
yassas!
Do! The airlines are still juggling flights, they aren’t running anything like the normal amount, and you may have to be a little fluid with your dates – but it’s worth it when you get here.
I’d love to know if Greece is sharing the results of these tests (plus peoples’ DNA) with the UK authorities…
I made a thing. Please feel free to share. It’s on my Twitter feed too @kbeanie93 if anyone wants to retweet it
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Great stuff!!!
Wife has just come back from Tesco. Was the only one there without a mask. (She is made of sterner stuff than me so she offered to test the water – she likes the attention)
Much chuntering and nudging all the way round and one old guy said to his wife “if she isn’t wearing one, I’m not wearing mine” and promptly took it off.
Woman at the checkout had a little conversation and during the discourse asked “why aren’t you wearing one then?”
Wife replied ” No-one is forcing me to wear a mask”
Checkout woman “Oh, so that’s why you aren’t wearing one?”
Wife ” Yes – well I am also exempt” (she isn’t)
Checkout woman “Well can i ask what is wrong with you”
Wife ” You certainly cannot!!”
Checkout woman “Oh, sorry. I was only asking as i hate wearing mine and i was wondering if my high blood pressure would make me exempt”
Wife “Just take it off. You don’t need to wear it”
Checkout woman “You know what – i just might.”
My wife left and had to stare down a group of teenage girls who loudly questioned between themselves why she was bare faced.
She said as long as you hold your head high, act confidant and ignore the chuntering you will not be challenged and you may just change someone else’s perspective.
A bit of a panic in First Gauleiter Sturgeon’s territory when it was reported that 7 coaches at a football club had tested positive for Covid. On retesting, however, six of the seven turned out to be false positives. I wonder how many more of these are boosting the daily drumroll of doom?
Wow! That is staggering. I heard about the positive tests (plural) but nothing about this. Is it being reported? Or have they quietly binned it as is normal?
The initial tests were supposedly done by a private company then retested by the NHS. But given that many of these football clubs will be employing the same private company to do their tests who knows how many false positives and negatives are being reported. The story was covered in the “newspaper” known as The Scotsman but needless to say none of their cretinous journalists had the wit to investigate further.
I just read this. Staggering. All the pillar 2 tests are done by private companies – and the reason for the lockdown in Leicester. Only 1 out of 7 correct? The implications are huge but is any news source going to run with it? Of course not.
Private Eye reported on the massive conflict of interests a few weeks back, GSK and Astrazaneca (I think it was) operating 2 of the test processing facilities on a nice tasty government contract, also happen to be in line to benefit massively from a vaccine being lapped up around the world. Now why on earth would they, therefore, want to ensure testing continues and continues to find positives.
There certainly are some absolute arseholes in government:
Speaking during a House of Lords debate on the regulations already in effect to further ease lockdown, Lord Blencathra welcomed offences and penalties listed for people breaking lockdown rules.
But he referred to the illegal demonstrations and raves seen over the last few months, as well as garment factories continuing to operate in lockdown and said: “But I ask will these ever be enforced?”
He added: “When we see people getting away with it and there’s no enforcement then more and more people will break other laws as well, and that will destroy society.”
Destroy society FFS! They have been doing that since 18th March, and there’s no end in sight!
I Googled the good Lord, aka David Maclean. Well, well, to my very surprise this (on Wiki):
Maclean was reported in The Daily Telegraph as having spent more than £20,000 improving his farmhouse under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) scheme before selling it for £750,000. He claimed the money by designating the property as his “second home” with the Commons authorities, yet Maclean did not pay capital gains tax on the sale because the taxman accepted it was his main home. Maclean was one of 98 MPs who voted to keep their expense details secret; and
Four years later he was found to have breached the Code of Conduct of the Lords in his dealings with the government of the Cayman Islands.
Went to the corner shop at lunchtime, without a mask, trying to be confident but slightly weary of what one of the usually friendly gentlemen who man the till might say. Noticed a police car parked up a little way down the road which gave me slight pause but I continued into the shop.
Said a quick hello and started to grab the items I needed, though the shopkeeper did not look at my face as I entered (very small shop and you are out of view as soon as you go down the first aisle).
As I was browsing the biscuit selection I heard the shop door open and another customer enter and heard “I am sorry sir, I cannot serve you unless you are wearing a mask”. My heart skipped as I tried to remember how I would explain my exemption (asthmatic) once he saw my unmasked face when the customer and shop keeper burst out laughing and started talking about the cricket.
I paid for my items and exchanged the usual pleasantries and off I went.
Glad to know I will be able to get my essentials around the corner without question or funny looks – just need to brave the bigger stores next!
Haven’t really been shopping today, but I wandered in to our local corner shop on the way back from the pub to buy… something. Can’t even remember what. I was unmasked, the owner was unmasked. Wasn’t even mentioned. Just like a normal day.
Just back from Aldi with my wife. I intended to go in unmasked but bottled it last minute and just sat in the car while she did the shopping. I know, pathetic.
Everyone I watched went in masked though most people coming out seemed to be taking them off or dropping them to their chin. My wife reported that everyone she saw in the shop had one on ( as did she), though some were fiddling with them a lot. I thought there might be a mini rebellion but either people like me are avoiding the shops because they are too much of a sh*thouse or most are just complying. If the latter then that’s really depressing. I will try to pluck up the courage and go in unmasked. Sorry to let folks down but just couldn’t face any confrontation however slight.
I really hope legal firms start “ambulance chasing” this I.e “ have you been denied entry into a shop or been discriminated against because your disability prevents you from wearing a mask? If so call us on xxxxxx”. Must be some firms out there who are up for this.
Dear Toby
Have you considered submitting a FOI request in respect of the key members of SAGE?
Patrick Vallance for example was head of R&D at GSK for over a decade. GSK have a very generous share ownership scheme for Senior Management, I’d be surprised if Vallance did not have a direct financial interest one of the firms which is leading the drive for a vaccine.
‘I want to see a massive effort now by the country to psychologically stop thinking of coronavirus as something that makes it impossible to do things.’
Just when I thought I couldn’t hold our Prime Minister in any further contempt…
Mr Johnson, your actions have resulted in unnecessary deaths and millions of ruined lives, and you want the people of this country to make a “massive effort”.
The only massive effort I’d like to see at this point is to remove you and all your cohorts from the offices which by your continued presence you bring into disrepute.
What a traitor. Everything he and his criminal gang has done has made it impossible to do anything without thinking about the virus. Without question the worst PM in the history of this country (and he’s had some very stiff competition recently). Guilty at best of criminal negligence, at worst of genocide.
Would a walk do any good? A ghandi style walk to parliament. I can imagine quite a crowd gathering on the way. But the mps are on a well earned rest now while tge country plays out their fantasy.
Maybe we should revive the Jarrow March of 1936 which will be appropriate as we are headed towards rates of unemployment and bankruptcies that makes the 1930s figures pale in comparison.
He’s so clearly mentally unwell, and has been since returning from his stint in hospital. He needs to be removed before he inflicts any further damage – CCHQ are you listening!
He says shit like that to wind us up. He’s saying one thing while knowing another is true and it winds up any thinking person. Off course the mask wearing fools don’t know if they’re coming or going at the best of times so they don’t notice. Like saying wear a mask, it won’t protect you but it will protect others makes zero sense but repeaters have squared that in their minds and it make perfect sense to them.
Well, you obese cretin here’s what to do. Tell the country that you and your tame advisers have royally screwed up and you are abolishing all the Coronavirus regulations with immediate effect. And for good measure you are also abolishing the left-wing imbeciles in charge of Wales and Scotland.
“‘I want to see a massive effort now by the country to psychologically stop thinking of coronavirus as something that makes it impossible to do things.’”
Yes, make everyone wear masks, that’ll help with that.
The irony is that, taken literally, what he says is exactly what people should be doing… so why exactly are the government and media doing their best to promote exactly the opposite way of thinking? It’s certainly going to take a “massive effort” to overcome that.
It feels like mandatory masks, more than anything else, seem intended to perpetuate the fear and abnormality, and stop people’s behaviour gradually relaxing back to an “old normal” situation.
That’s the idea.
“I want to see a massive effort now by the country to psychologically stop thinking of coronavirus as something that makes it impossible to do things.”
Are you sure Mr. Johnson said this? I can’t credit he did say it. Though, he is surely living in a little bubble in which no one is wearing a mask – and he sure won’t be popping in to a shop to meet people that are.
It’s from the Speccie website which in turn has taken it from the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation, so who knows? But the idea that Johnson now has any credibility whatsoever is laughable. He’s beneath contempt. He just sounds like every other stuffed-shirt.
I was just going to edit my comment to say that I’d seen the words quoted in an email I’d just received from the Spectator. Sorry for doubting – but then the quote is a bit unbeleivable.
Johnson himself offers the best justification for not wearing a masks. Wearing a mask prevents us forgetting the virus which is making it impossible for us “to do things”.
Ee, what a noodle eh?
And wearing masks are the ideal thing to stop people psychologically thinking about the virus!
Is this why Rishi dished the dosh? https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/07/24/uk-government-didnt-listen-its-own-advice-failed-prepare-coronavirus/
Could it get any worse? Yes!!
From The Telegraph:
Requiring the public to wear gloves to combat Covid-19 is being considered by the Government.
Speaking in the House of Lords, Conservative Baroness McIntosh of Pickering asked: “Has the Government formed a view on the use of gloves?
“Obviously we’re all following the guidance of washing our hands but surely the correct use of gloves outdoors and indoors could prevent the passing on of the virus?”
Health minister Lord Bethell, concluding a debate on coronavirus regulations, replied: “To date, gloves are not in the guidance but they remain an area that we’re looking at.”
The exchanges came on the day people in England were required to start wearing face coverings in shops, shopping centres, banks, takeaways, post offices, sandwich shops and supermarkets or risk a £100 fine.
That’s so so depressing
They might aswell just get it done with and issue everyone their Cyanide pill now.
I think that is likely to be a load of clickbait shite, so to speak. Getting people to make ineffective masks is one thing, gloves are completely different. And as far as Im aware none of the scientific advisers think gloves is a good idea.
I think you’re probably right. Apart from anything else, how would gloves work if you also have to apply hand poison? Hopefully it’s bollocks, but in today’s mad world, anything is possible.
Holy Fuck-a-Moley
Correct use of gloves says it all. They’re more likely to spread infection than incorrectly used masks!
Funnily enough I wrote about this around lunchtime, followed a link to another site and saw a picture of supposedly ‘normal life’ with 2 people wearing gloves. And under it someone had written that from what happened with masks (ie random media pictures of people with masks as subtle pre-conditioning) we can surmise that gloves are the next plan… And so it would appear!
Here’s the link: https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/now-it-s-gloves-as-well
I’m so worried about catching anything that I’ve started wearing a condom 24/7 now to reduce my risk of catching HIV or a STD.
Yes condoms are utterly necessary when watching porn lol…in fact why not use two,
Fuck the government and fuck anyone wearing a mask
The mask wearers will be first in line to take the vaccine, so will not require any assistance from us in this regard.
Found this while mooching today:
https://www.3ccorp.net/2020/03/15/rockefeller-plan-details-government-takeover-through-pandemic-martial-law/
It’s from 2010 and it contains the 54 pages of a Rockefeller Report entitled “Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development” and has stated aim of “a stated goal of creating “a world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback.”
I posted that here a few weeks ago. A very good bed time read that one. It’s THE BLUEPRINT for this current shit-show. It REALLY IS. Also the “Hack-Attack” scenario is very close to what we have now, private corporations or criminal elements through hacking and incredible internet influence becoming MORE POWERFUL THAN STATES and national governments. The thing is now the global state (or criminals?) IS/ARE more powerful than states and national governments. So the global powers seized the day didn’t they, before it was too late for them.
And we’re still labelled mad and conspiracy theory nutters.
If you fancy a bit of light reading log into the World Economic Forum and dive into a never ending rabbit hole covering every aspect of life. Agenda 21, 50 years in the making: https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld
I have read all about it. Its hard to see what they really want to do, it is all written in some very neo-corporate English. It all looks quite nice, on the surface but its when you interpret what their aim mean then its gets scary fast.
Don’t know if this has already been raised but can anyone debunk the BBC’s debunking https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53108405 please?
I notice they didn’t include “Masks don’t stop virus transmission” – FACT.
Strict and biosecure format. Puke off.
Happy to report a pleasant and mask-free shop in Sainsbury’s wearing both my “mask exempt” Lanyard and the sunflower one given to me last week by Sainsbury’s customer services. No problem getting in and no hostility from the sheeple. They are also broadcasting messages telling customers to be considerate of staff and customers who are unable to wear masks. Saw one other non mask wearer – a man in his late 20s who looked as fit as a flea and was buying a birthday card and a bottle of gin (but who knows with hidden disabilities?) I’ve never been so glad of my occasionally-annoying-but-generally liveable-with heart issue!
I’ve read a few posts over the past weeks from people saying they don’t know anyone who has had the virus. I do and I likely had it too. And of course we know Toby has had a positive antibody test.
All this was back in March. A family of 3 I know in London, wife, child and husband all had the likely symptoms of fever and long lasting cough. The husband was quite worryingly unwell. There were no tests available at that time but the husband has been confirmed as having had the illness when he enrolled for plasma donation.
Another friends brother returned from skiing in Austria in March and was unwell with the familiar symptoms of cough, temperature.
I am a former NHS employee so have lots of friends and family as well as my partner currently working in the NHS. In March hospitals were reporting lots of sickness. 2 doctors we know were very unwell, one hospitalised and had a positive test. Other doctor friends had some kind of mild illness around the same time. Another member of staff died after admission to hospital and a positive test.
I had the strangest of physical symptoms. It began as very mild sore throat, headache and shivering. After 4 days it seemed to lift but I was very emotional, crying at the drop of a hat. To be fair there was something to cry about – my Dad living in a care home and the growing knowledge that he would be shut in there for???? On the 6th day I felt like I was going to get a head cold. On the 7th day I was shivering, shaking, felt dizzy, had diarrhoea and a tight and burning feeling in my chest. I never did get any head cold symptoms which is very unusual for me. This continued for 3 days and I felt generally unwell but kept trying do things, but not going out anywhere as I suspected I should isolate. On the 10th night my chest felt like hot liquid had been poured in and as if it was being squeezed from front and back by strong hands. I had a nose bleed then too. I did feel worried at this point and talked myself down and slept as if drugged. Next morning all physical symptoms had gone but I felt as if I had been hit by a bus. The fatigue and cough continued for 8 weeks.
I had been rundown with other illnesses, dad in hospital and a small operation on my ear for a suspect cancer so perhaps I was more unwell because of that. I am all better now, if not back to full fitness with my running. I don’t have any fears of the virus and am a volunteer marshall at the local test centre. I am here on this site and have been commenting for a while so am a sceptic, but more of the terrible measures than the existence of a new coronavirus.
Not sure what anyone else makes of all this? I am not even sure why I’ve decided to tell all this. Is it of any use to us at this point?
Two members of my family have had it (married couple). Both were quite ill, but didn’t need hospital treatment. One of them picked it up from a work colleague who had recently been in hospital for an unrelated condition.
Ah yes, that has reminded me of another friend. He was very unwell in January after coming back from visiting his partner in Spain. Unrelated to his own illness, his brothers in-laws both had it after one was admitted to hospital for a bladder infection. Both, in their 60s, recovered. They had positive tests.
And a further friend who is a senior manager at another hospital with staff off with positive tests.
One common denominator here is the NHS and as Toby has said, illnesses spreading from hospital.
oh look more tales of people you know with the virus, fuck off
But Toby had a positive antibody test
Its impossible to test for antibodies specific to a strain of corona virus that hasn’t been isolated. It literally can’t be done. Most people however will have antibodies to the wider corona family (common cold etc). And the test itself throws up many false positives because of its design. So having a positive antibody test in these circumstances doesnt mean someone has had/got this ‘covid19’ virus
The virus has had its genome sequenced countless times. Antibody tests have been designed and validated and have a pretty good and fairly well-known accuracy of at least 90%.
Covid-19 ranges from asymptomatic through a mild cold to a very nasty viral pneumonia which may take months to recover from fully although it is very rarely fatal in anyone who is not elderly.
Lots of people post on here to get things off their chest, who are going through a hard time on this. Nowt wrong with that.
People get ill all the time, simply getting ill with a virus-like set of symptoms doesnt mean someones got/had the thing being called covid19. It remains true that this alleged new virus hasn’t been isolated in a lab and the tests being used to detect it are both non specific and specifically not designed as diagnostic tools. There is no proof at all of this supposed new viruses existence, or of its ‘novelty’ in regards any aspect of it. But of course there are many circulating viruses, including ‘normal’ corona viruses, that people are still coming down with. Whether it actually exists or not though, the evidence of the danger, even with all the manipulated figures and outright lies, is clearly not anywhere near enough to warrant any of the measures that have been and are continuing to be taken against it.
And yes I totally agree, the measures are terrible and unnecessary and of course people get sick with many many viruses. I didn’t intend to make a problem or imply anything and am so sorry if I have done
People who volunteer as a marshal at a test centre sicken me. I highly doubt every word you posted and now believe you to be one of them paid people posting garbage to fuck us up.
Hi Biker, from my experience they are not doing it to chat to lots of people, the test centre I drive past daily rarely has any customers.
no one is being tested, well nearly no one like you say. This “wendy” is a shill trying to normalise this idea that there is a killer virus and we need tested. Everyone you meet no mater where you go says the same thing ” i don’t know anyone with the virus do you” I heard it from the AA man last night, i heard it from a woman in a cafe in Arbroath this afternoon, i’ve never been to Arbroath. I’m pissed off to the max with the whole thing
Oh no, I didn’t say it was killer, oh dear. And your right only 10 people a day are being tested. Please don’t turn against me. Please.
i’ll tell you what, my best mate of thirty five years died today, he’s real you’re not
That is very sad and I am sorry.
Don’t worry I am interested to read what you type Wendy.
Condolences about your mate Biker. I know how it feels too well, I don’t have enough fingers to count the number of close friends I have lost.
or toes
Thanks for the support. I realised I miss timed what I wrote today. I didn’t intend to cause difficulties or imply a deadly virus. Of course I am going to know people as I am close to the nhs works and live in a big city.
We win’t.
Tempers are a bit frayed right now, and it’s understandable, but PLEASE let’s not turn on our friends and comrade.
Saw three tests taking place about half an hour ago when I walked past the hospital. To be fair, it’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone there. Looks horrible – they stick this swab so far down your throat it almost comes out of your arse. Of course, I could be a Nazi shill… so don’t trust a word I say.
Our neighbour got tested positive and had to take a 14 week holiday from her NHS job, but I don’t think she had ANY adverse symptoms. Waste of time if you ask me. My mother in law got tested – negative (but I think she secretly wanted it to be positive).
Yes and that is the same as my one. But it gives me an added insight I can bring here.
Oh don’t be daft Biker. Why did I volunteer at the test centre? Well to have something to do since most of my life has been shut down by the government. And in a way it has given me good insights to bring here. None of the staff there have any fears of the virus. I have posted before about it being less than clean, no distancing.
maybe you didn’t hear me fuck off you traitor to humanity. I know you’re lying
That’s a bit sad for me. This site has been helping me cope with my dad in a care home. I am at a loss to think what you think I am doing. I am bringing insights from the NHS. I think we all welcomed Leicester Doctor. Please don’t turn me away as I don’t know where I would go for support.
You appeal to feelings just confirms to me what i’m saying is bang on the money. You’re claiming that a fucking forum on a website debated to pissed of people wanting their freedom back is helping you cope with an ill parent, sure i believe you
48 members of my family are currently in a coma, that trumps both of you
and you don’t hear me banging on about it
Wendy, no one’s turning you away.
I should add that I could tell very similar stories to what you’ve posted here, and have on another site. And I’m real.
The TJN family had classic CV symptoms just after Christmas – lots of people have told similar stories on forums such as this. In themselves these stories mean little, but they all add up to something.
I know a number of people who got very sick with *something* in January. And I could probably say the same for most years of my long life. People get sick every year. This is called life not a ‘novel corona virus’. And there are no ‘classic CV symptoms’. The ever changing list of ‘symptoms’ is vague enough to cover many normal seasonal bugs and a variety of other ailments
When I say classic CV symptoms I mean fever, rasping cough for days, feeling shit for 2-3 weeks, and loss of taste and smell, like I’ve never had before.
Back then we hadn’t heard of CV, but we were struck at how whatever it was we had was so odd – not a cold, but not really a flu either. It was miserable, but nothing you’d go to the doctor about – the sort of virally thing you might get every few years or so.
Loads of people around us had the same thing at the same time. But if it was CV – and I’m not saying it was – it matters because it was here weeks earlier than has been assumed, and it means we were far closer to herd immunity than had been assumed. Hence the reason for the lockdown fell to dust.
Yes, Nothing you’d go to the dr about, a ‘bad/weird’ bug of the sort that comes round every few years, thats what people assumed they were coming down with in Dec, Jan and feb, before the OMG Killer Plague madness was started in the media. There was definitely something going round making some people really sick but if it hadn’t been for the media hysteria afterwards we’d all have just shrugged that off as we’ve always done before.
I’m pretty sure my family had it just after Christmas. No one was very ill.
Cheezilla and Chooselife,
The TJN family aren’t in any vulnerable category, so as per the norm whatever it was we had we shook it off. Whatever virus it was though, I can imagine that if you were in weak health it might get a hold on you and not let go.
That’s what the flu sometimes does – takes the weak.
For me, the real tragedy, the real scandal in all this is that we’ve protected people who don’t need protecting and not protected those who did. Worse, we are supposed to feel morally good about that.
Biker, stop being a twat.
I think I had it a bit in late March/Early April, I had a mild “burning” upper chest cough and felt a bit shivery (temperature) for about two days, the cought stayed for about two weeks, very very very mild but something was going on.
Actually my old Aunty 84 came back from an Xmas break up in Scotland and all her friends and also my Aunty had a ROTTEN does of cold, hacking cough, feeling ill. It went in about a week, she is fine again. So are all her aged friends.
I have internet mates all over Europe and in January a lot of them had bad colds too. They are all fine.
Then it was just called a cold so I suppose that’s why they are alive today.
I have got myself in a bit of a hole here with biker without intending to. For which I am sorry. I am here because all the measures taken are not in proportion to the threat from the virus. As we know most people are fine and recover. Very sorry to mess things up here. Perhaps I should withdraw and not make things worse today.
Lots of people on here have got in a hole with Biker. His ire is great when aimed at the perpetrators of this madness, but far less so when directed at individuals.
Nothing messed up here today. It’s actually been one of the best days in the history of this forum.
Many thanks TNJ. I didn’t mean to upset anyone. I miss timed my post.
I am quite sure that you didn’t mean to upset anyone – I can’t imagine what you wrote that would, and I can’t see that you mis-timed your post. My guess is that just about everyone who reads here can see that.
Wendy, you worked for the NHS. The only other person I can vouch for who was very ill with covid symptoms started working in admin for the NHS in Janary. She wasn’t hospitalised, just had the equivalent of a bad flu.
She is in her 50s, obese and had to have an armful of shots before she could start her job.
Did you have a flu jab last winter?
I think that was what I was trying to get at when I posted today, that this was spread out from hospitals. I would say the physical symptoms were not the worse illness I have had so am sorry if they sounded that way. I timed writing about this wrong. I am 62 but a runner. I had an illness at Christmas, dad in hospital and a minor op so was very rundown in March.
I don’t have any health issues and I don’t have a flu vaccine. I am not sure I would want to have it. Gosh I am sorry I got things so wrong today. I posted about what happened in March without thinking of today’s context. I too want my life back and think the measure are terrible.
Can you clarify something for me, you describe all these symptoms you had, and you say you had shivering, shaking, dizziness, diarrhoea, and tight and burning feeling in your chest, and you’re former NHS employee.
Well, the “tight and burning feeling in the chest” alone is a reason to call 999 and get a troponin test done, especially if you get fatigued and “dizzy” after the event…
Shivering and shaking as well as “dizziness” make it sound like you had quite a pyrexic experience, or sepsis, again, reasons anough to seek medical attention or at least call 111, or did you self-medicate with antipyretics?
You also say you had fatigue and cough for eight weeks… The NHS guideline is to seek medical attention if cough persists for longer than three weeks, yet you haven’t mentioned anything of the sort.
Hi there, well I was not a doctor when I was employed. I did have all the symptoms I described but I didn’t think they were too bad. No I didn’t ring anyone or self medicate. You must have more experience than me, I suppose I thought I was okay. And as I thought when the physical symptoms stopped I was on the mend. Cough was just dry and chest was tight and tiredness felt like getting over an illness.
I am just back from a run and I have had time to consider what I have done here. I felt safe to describe what happened to me but I can see it was very very poor timing. I don’t think there is a deadly virus. Every time I hear this I feel very angry. Sorry for getting this wrong today.
Wendy, I dont read that you mistimed things badly. I am always interested to hear what you and others say about what is affecting you or what is on your mind right now. This is playing with all our heads, no need to apologise.
Ah thank you. It is messing with our heads and isolating us from others too
wendy i think people’s experiences are interesting and valuable to hear. Today i think emotions may be running a little higher than normal, don’t take it personally and don’t feel bad, don’t leave the site, and tomorrow is another day.
March… It’s nearly August now. It’s gone!
Yes I agree. I timed my post wrong today. I didn’t intend to cause trouble. I am just back from a run and see what I did but I really didn’t intend to make big of the virus. I am sorry. I think I just felt safe to describe what had happened to me. Not the right time to bring this up when we are all fighting for our lives back. Sorry.
It is of use. Thank you. I derive:
Many thanks Annie. I shouldn’t have written it today of all days, I didn’t intend to cause any problems
Not quite “Bof! This is how you do it!” But an interesting article never the less. Not a smear to Skeptics, or is it? For those with social media you may like to guage reaction.
Fife salon owner will not make face masks mandatory for clients, claiming coronavirus is a ‘hoax’
Exclusive: A salon owner in Fife has told customers and staff they do not need to wear face masks as he believes he has proof coronavirus does not exist
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/fife-salon-owner-not-make-18657185
I’m off for a short city break in Berkshire next weekend. I’d normally spend ages in Blackwell’s bookshop in Oxford and the Wallingford bookshop (Wallingford) and would always come out with a pile of books. I won’t be doing that now. I’d also be in and out of all the little vintage shops and would usually get something – also now not going to happen. Instead we will be doing lots of walking – free – and only buying take away food from outside street stalls. We will also have a couple of sit in meals in pubs or restaurants. We will come back home around £200 – 300 better off than normal. The discretionary spending tap is well and truly off.
Give me an email if you would like to meet up, we live in the region. two-six@twang.co.uk
We have Free Badges! (and cake)
Lili, I am often in the area and will assess next week for you including the Lamb Arcade. If you want to email me offlands@protonmail.com we can discuss offline. I can also recommend some ‘normal’ establishments in the area.
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Happy to meet for a drink at any time
The BBC remembers Sweden exists:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53498133
Did Sweden’s coronavirus strategy succeed or fail?
In the first part of the article, which is more fact-based, they more or less admit that it succeeded, without being conclusive
The last part of the article, which is more touchy-feely, starts to waffle about Sweden having become a pariah internationally, and that public support for the approach has weakened at home.
So while surprising they bothered to report it at all, and that they didn’t completely distort the truth, it’s standard stuff for 2020 – facts, data, science, reason don’t count much, it’s how people feel about things that’s really important.
I do so want to see all these twits go away and start a new country where they are all nice to eachother and feelings are more important than achieving anything, and see how long it takes for them to come begging when their country fails miserably.
They will always spend ages trying to find people to give both sides for illusion of balance. If they stopped 100 people and only 1 was not supportive, they’ve still give equal billing to the 1 person vs 1 who was supportive. BBCs idea of balance…
Not at all. The Beb hasn’t shown any balance on the two related key issues of Corbyn and ‘antisemitism’ or the Covid parallel fiction. Both have been subjected to a fact-free rehearsal of a predetermined propaganda narrative.
Not much balance on bbc in an item on face masksEveryone of the talking heads said it’s just a piece of cloth wear it.very strange watching people talk through one.
I love the way they say that latest figures suggest that Sweden is getting better at “containing” the virus. No, they don’t show that at all. They show that Sweden is getting herd immunity. They have to stick to the bs line that the only viable strategy is “containing” the virus. I’m completely sick to the stomach with the relentless propaganda that the BBC keeps churning out. I really should try not looking at that site…
I’m in Sweden – numbers in hospital are continuing to drop steadily. The only region that has admitted more than 2 new patients with CV19 since Tuesday is Stockholm, and 8 (of 21) regions have 5 or fewer patients in hospital with the virus. Two thirds of regions have fewer than 10 patients in hospital with it now..
Most Swedes think the care home situation was a mess and unacceptable, but I’m not hearing or seeing criticism of the overall strategy. If Swedes were unhappy, and still worried now, you’d think they’d be choosing to wear face masks – but they’re not!
We had a carpet fitted today,to my relief the fitter was unmasked and normal.He did say though that he was supposed to get PPE’d up and that the company requires him to sanitise his fitting tools between customers !,bloody hell !,he’s putting carpets in not doing open heart surgery !,so Covid in carpets now,we’d better use coverings over our shoes then.He asked if I would sign a form saying he had undertaken all of the ‘CV19 safety precautions’ even though he hadn’t,I said no problem.He said it keeps the company off his back.
Back in Clownland…
“Boris Johnson says there are ‘tough times ahead’, but Britain will be ‘well on the way past’ coronavirus ‘by the middle of next year’.
“The government has bought a manufacturing facility in Essex so that it can be converted to produce a Covid-19 vaccine. The total cost to the taxpayer after the conversion will be £100 million”.
Only this time last week, BoJo was saying we should be back to almost normal by Christmas.
Do not recall him mentioning which year.
He has no clue what he’s spouting anymore.
Because someone else is pulling Pinocchio’s strings
Just like the lockdown was only supposed to be 3 weeks!
Squashing the sombreero…..what an utter arse that man is. I just cant bear to look at him.
The total cost to the taxpayer will be a lifetime of serious illness and total enslavement.
And yet, we’ll still see the masked morons queuing up willingly with their sleeves rolled up in anticipation …..
They deserve whatever horrific fate awaits them. We just have to be smart enough to stay out of harm’s way until it becomes obvious what is going on. “Tough times ahead” is correct though. Johnson yesterday told the army to prepare for a nightmare winter. They are the only agency that will be able to keep him and his government in power, i.e. martial law.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8550967/Boris-tells-army-prepare-quadruple-winter-whammy.html
Just when I thought things couldn’t get any more depressing
And the “four-pronged disaster which threatens to cripple Britain” does not include the economic meltdown!
Beggars belief
So, they’ve managed to shoehorn in Brexit and flooding to keep the frightened masses hiding under their beds. A lot of the comments were reassuring in that most could smell the BS….
“They deserve whatever horrific fate awaits them.”
No, FFS. Even if they were daft enough to vote Tory or read the Daily Bile when the bleedin’ was already obvious.
A civilized response doesn’t have to mirror the evil of Boris and Co.
Fair point, my levels of empathy have been drained to nothing over the last four months. All credit to you for still being able to view it from another angle.
Don’t assume the army will put up with any bulshit. There must be a few senior officers with Jonathan Sumption’s POV
Several lifetimes. Three? four?generations.
So, using bits of AG’s post, I emailed this to my MP.
Boris is urging us all to have a flu jab this winter. He’s also assuming that we will all be vaccinated against CV-29 in the near future.
I am very concerned about the safety of a rushed and relatively untested vaccine.
The severe neurological problems caused by Pandemrix are a good example of what happened last time a mass vaccination of the population took place with a rushed vaccine. It cost millions of pounds in compensation, as well as ruining previously healthy lives.
If vaccines are safe, please can you explain why these schemes are in place:
https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html
https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/pharmacovigilance/Dec_2018_VICPs/en/
What can you tell me about the government’s estimate regarding the cost of the inevitable compensatory payouts for the covid vaccine?
Yours faithfully XXX
I’ve never corresponded with him before as I know he’s a lazy git, so I didn’t expect much in response.
Imagine my surprise, when he wrote back less than half an hour later. Not a boilerplate response either:
Thank you of your email and raising this subject.
It will be down to you to make a choice for yourself whether to vaccinate or not. Vaccines have saved billions of lives around the world but there are occasional side effects which is why these schemes are in place. I am not a member of the Government so I do not have access to any estimates for compensation for any damage caused by a vaccine that does not yet exist.
Kind regards, YYY
Methinks he’ll be hearing from me a lot in future. I’ll make him earn his £90k per annum.
Notice he implies the vaccine will not be compulsory – though it isn’t clear which one he means.
It may not be but we won’t be able to live a ‘normal’ life without it (like renewing your passport)…….
Exactly!
I went to my local GP for a blood test and I got some thumbs up from two elderly patients for not wearing one. Everyone was masked up at first, but I noticed that people started pulling their masks down once they saw me without one. Then I popped to two smaller grocery stores and the same thing happened – couple of people pulled their masks down after seeing me without one. It made me happy.
YAY FIGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve noticed this behaviour. If people think you’re giving them permission not to wear their own mask, by not wearing one yourself, they’ll take their mask off.
I spent 5 hours catching up with some dear friends who’ve spent the last 6 years in the States (they had to escape via Canada!). Walked round Erddig Park, near Wrexham. Plenty of people enjoying the sun – not a mask to be seen. Social distancing was only observed by one couple who stopped and squeezed as far away from us as possible on a narrow path – I’ve not seen that behaviour for a few weeks round here, so it made them seem like nutters. Walked past Morrisons twice, there and back, again plenty of people shopping – only counted a solitary mask! But it’s not compulsory here.
Had to laugh at the approach to my local beach today. People meekly queuing six feet apart for the loo; hordes of beach-bound holidaymakers squeezing in between the queuers.
Not sure how Toby does it, but he is supposed to be on holiday, and yet he still manages to put this together, so many thanks – just wish I had half the drive, but in my defence I’m a lot older!
If it wasn’t for this and other places where you can comment and rail against this madness, I think I would go insane.
My wife is from Russia, and lived two-thirds of her life in the ‘utopia’ of the USSR; she does not have fun memories or nostalgia for then, but she is much more able to tolerate all this as she is well used to living under a lying dictatorship, with shortages and lack of basic supplies, such as we experienced at the beginning of all this.
Needless to say, we were well prepared without really trying, and certainly without any panic, as such circumstances weren’t new to my wife; I was the beneficiary of quite a lot of ‘comfort’ baking too, which was nice for me, but not for the waistline! She is also a mean hairdresser.
The thing is, she never expected to be living under such a Soviet-style government again, and the lack of freedom to travel is hard for her to take, but she is able to rise above it all much better than I am, or many others too I suspect.
I am very fortunate.
I grew up in Soviet Union and remember it well. I have lived in Britain for over 20 years and really liked democracy and law.
When all the restrictions started I said to my English husband “I cannot believe it is happening here”. It reminds me so much of Soviet Union. Especially the disappearance of freedom of speech and propaganda. Propaganda gets worse every week. Unbelievable.
I told my teenage daughter who supports masks “I have lived in a totalitarian state and don’t want to live in one again”. I find it difficult to tolerate this nonsense from the government, maybe because I experienced it.
Ever heard of ghost writers?
Does anyone understand the current death statistics as reported? Today we have 123 deaths in the UK of which only 16 were in hospital. Where are the others occurring? In care homes? If so why aren’t these elderly people being treated in hospital? Or are they people who once had COVID and have died of other causes later perhaps at home?
The things I most hate
Matt Handjob
The Dictator
The BBC
People who wear face nappies
People who wear exemption lanyards, whatever the fuck they are. Sounds like something Timothy Lumsden would wave about
People who make public service announcements in Supermarkets about being nice to the staff. If they can’t hack it fuck off and get another job
Not in any particular order of preference
Oh and people who write to their MP’s. To a man and woman MP’s are c**ts, why would you seek their views on anything?
Oh and people who bang on about their coronavirus symptoms back in January but didn’t go to the doctor. Funny you only mention it now, please fuck off, you only had a cold
I certainly don’t write to my MP to seek her views, as she doesn’t really have any. I write to her so she knows that there is at least one person in her constituency who doesn’t go along with this stuff. If everyone did that, everywhere, they might take notice. Obviously one email isn’t going to change anything, but it’s a start.
Do you really think they give a shit about what you think. They are there to line their own pockets, your letter will be filed under B for bin, or N for nutter
They don’t care what I think but they care about getting re-elected
If enough people who voted for them last time seem like they are going to desert them, they will start to worry
I wear an exemption lanyard because I’m entitled to wear one and frankly I don’t need the hostility. Sorry for not being brave enough for you.
FFS. I rest my case
The lanyards are basically the same as face coverings, both are utterly useless at protecting against viruses and both mark you out as compliant with the bs narrative. Lanyards also mark you out as having some kind of health or disability condition, which is supposed to be nobodys business but yours. This kind of marking of different groups has happened in the past with terrible end consequences. So it might feel like the best option for you personally to avoid ‘hostility’ right now but it does make you a part of the wider problem and threaten your personal and our collective future.
Also under this Nazi regime you will be singled out as less than perfect and a candidate for elimination. (Yes it all did happened in the 1930s, wasn’t just a dream.)
Interestingly, the Nazis organised ghetto police formed of Jewish people who enforced the Nazi controls on their own kind. Sounds familiar.
Tell that to Toby as he has been telling you where you can get them. Not everyone is confrontational and not everyone lives in an anonymous city where they can maybe get away with bring a stand out rebel. I live in a right it community and as a councillor am quite well known locally so I wear an exemption lanyard. I’m pretty fit actually but I do have a condition that makes me more prone to hypoxia then most so you could say I’m gaming the system as the chances of me actually being made ill by a mask are probably as minute as me catching or transmitting covid! If your bf asks at Sainsbury’s customer service they will give him a lanyard. Every exposed mouth undermines the rationale for masks whether it’s through exemption or rebellion!
Your getting more boring by the second, fuck off
Proper charmer aren’t you? Sanctimonious cunt.
Language Timothy
Oh ffs, can’t we keep it civil here? The thing I’ve liked about this forum is that we can disagree without it being personal. Being a contributor who would have been considered ‘of the left’ before lockdown I have had very civil and enlightening exchanges with people of opposing political views without it degenerating into Twitter standards. I estimate only about 20% on here have, or did have, left-ish leanings (but concede i could be way out) but we’ve been given a fair hearing. And what I have learnt being here – having dumped my partisanship – is that most of us want the same things – common decency, consideration for others and freedom from interference in our lives. Hence my recent political divorce but, hell, can’t we keep it civil?
I agree with you Bella. These exchanges today have put me off looking at future comments. I’ll look at Toby’s stuff but will no longer look on here.
Obviously your choice but I think the comments on here are often worth looking at, and maybe you could consider just ignoring the threads that you don’t find interesting or constructive.
Wise words Julian, thank you.
I think people are feeling particularly wound-up today. It’s not usually like this.
I know Miriam, we can all get wound-up, including me. I’m feeling better after being for a good walk with my dogs…..thank God for dogs.
Yer, today has been a RED LETTER DAY. Lets all calm down a bit.
‘The thing I’ve liked about this forum is that we can disagree without it being personal.’
Unless we can do that this forum is finished. And who gains by that? If forums like this are finished, then the lockdown fascists will be nine tenths of the way to winning.
Left/right is redundant now. No one has, or ever did, have a monopoly on wisdom. I say this as someone who voted for Johnson in December. I loathe him now.
Ditto I detest the man.
Everyone is entitled to be here of any political persuasion. We are united by the greatest issue of the moment. Other issues pale into insignificance by comparison. Each person must decide how to cope with the rules….I refuse to comply with any of them but respect that others may not feel they are able to do that. It does NOT mean they support the tyranny.
Not everybody understands the damage they’re doing by using exemption lanyards instead of simply not covering their faces. I’m sure plenty of people feel theyre ‘gaming the system’ this way but thats not reality. Nobody *has* to wear a face covering or explain why they’re not, currently thats part of the guidance. But what happens from here really depends on how people react to whats happening now and sadly the exemption lanyards are helping to push us toan even worse future
It’s a tricky one that right enough. I am pretty sure i won’t wear a lanyard.
I don’t disagree. I feel very unhappy to be in this invidious position but with hyperthyroidism and a history of associated high cardiac output heart issues I don’t need the stress of any of the available options of wearing a mask, not wearing a mask or wearing a lanyard. We can’t all be Spartacus and I do wonder how many people on here are talking a good war but actually wearing a mask. Anyone of us could come on here and bullshit about their heroic one man protest but we’d never know if it was true.
Brilliant, now we have mask wearers and non mask wearers at odds……and now non mask wearers against other non mask wearers!……someone somewhere must be loving all this.
You are forgetting that not everyone is as unintimidated as you to the potential reaction. I carry a lanyard for use in a crunch but I have never actually had to wear it and it will be a last resort, followed by threats under disability legislation. However if it is a choice between people wearing a lanyard or wearing a muzzle, then a lanyard is clearly preferable – not least for their own health. People will see others “get away with it”, and fear-of-missing-out will possibly lead them to go home and find out where to get lanyards themselves. They might even stumble upon some facts on their journey.
You’ve left out the Guardian Newspaper surely the most evil newsheet on the planet. The print and on line instrument of the deep state and secret services and financed by both.
A tax dodging trust too.
An ‘interesting’ experience this afternoon.
I have always found my GP Practise excellent, and responsive : normally, if necessary, I could queue at 8 a.m. and get an appointment that day.
Recently, however, we have had a letter abolishing everything but a telephone triage system, operating only in the morning. All related, of course to the usual bollocks about this diappeared virus.
This afternoon I rang to get a prescription (probably needing an appointment, even tho’ that shouldn’t be strictly necessary given my medical history – but OK – for a developing urinary tract infection.
Usual telephone Covid bollocks before getting through.
But here’s the kicker – the receptionist (obviously only pleasantly doing her job) fended me off and told me to go to the Walk-In Centre in the City!
I’ve had a creeping suspicion about what is being done to the health sevices under this regime under the cover of the imagined virus. Here was confirmation.
Great piece in The Spetator today by Christopher Snowdon about Bumbling Boris’ new nanny state food decrees.
This paragraph stood out:
‘There is also a strange comfort in being able to abandon hope in Boris Johnson so soon into his premiership. It saves time in the long run. To be honest, his libertarianism was already in doubt when he put us all under house arrest for three months but, to be fair, that was under exceptional circumstances. However, if a Conservative government with an 80 seat majority, a liberal leader and an anti-establishment chief advisor is going to impose the kind of purse-lipped, micro-managing, finger-wagging, lemon-sucking, nanny-knows-best, censorious, anti-business, killjoy policies that even Gordon Brown never seriously entertained, then we have to conclude that nothing short of revolution is going to put the paternalistic political class out of its stride. It doesn’t matter who you vote for, Public Health England always gets in.’
The ‘food decrees’ worry me. Is this the precursor to limiting food supplies or am I becoming too paranoid?
These days you have to wonder – all bets are off…
From the Torygraph live:
Police must enforce Covid-19 laws or risk helping to “destroy society”, peers have heard.
Conservative Lord Blencathra suggested more people will break different laws if they see others “getting away with it” during lockdown.
Very perceptive!
Is Martial law where the silly stuff is leading?
Just shows what an ill thought out law it is.
Just goes to show how useless the House of Lords (and all that sail in her) is.
As I posted down-thread, the good Lord has form – look on his Wiki page!
Missed your post so far. The site is so busy today …..
Blencathra is clearly a Nazi but his anticipation of anarchy is pretty astute.
Hasn’t occurred to them that people who normally never break laws will break this one, because it’s an intolerably bad law..
People breaking stupid laws STRENGTHENS society, idiot.
Then again I can imagine this guy paid his Poll Tax like a good little boy, mostly because he’s so loaded that he didn’t give a fuck.
My bf has a skin condition which can make his face quite blotchy because it is very itchy for him so he scratches his face a lot. Wearing a mask today has irritated his skin even more and I explained that he would likely be exempt under the regulations. I would like to point out that he is just as sceptical as I am about all this bollocks – masks, lockdown, social distancing, the lot (I am very lucky to have a likeminded parter in that respect) – but he is also the least confrontational person on the planet, just wants a quiet life more than anything. He is a very sanguine person and doesn’t get angry/passionate in the same way as I do. That’s probably why we are so well suited, because we complement one another. Anyway, I explained the exemption to him but given his very non-confrontational nature, as well as his tendency to be just too damned kind for his own good, he just sighed and said ‘No it’s fine, it’s not that bad, as long as it keeps people happy.’ I’d like to add that my bf wasn’t ‘virtue signalling’ when he said this; he was very resigned about the whole thing, his mask is very uncomfortable for him and he hates wearing it but he really does genuinely just want to avoid questions and aggro at shop entrances as well as death glares/confrontations with judgemental Karens who are too selfish to realise people are exempt.
But my bf’s attitude gives me hope in a way. I wonder if there are others like him who despise the whole thing and are even exempt under the regs but comply anyway because they want a quiet life and assume it’s only temporary. We’ll have to see – I’m still convinced that the whole pile of shit will come tumbling down during winter once the days get cold and dark, more people lose their jobs and the delayed illnesses from missed consultations and the like finally catch up with everyone. The scepticism is definitely stronger than we think; it’s just bubbling under the surface.
He could legitimately wear an exempt badge and lanyard and avoid all hassle. Stress will probbaly aggravate his condition.
I don’t have sensitive skin but when I had to wear a disposable mask at the hospital for about 20 minutes, my cheeks and chin felt very hot all the way home and I was surprised to find my face wasn’t red. Clearly the mask had irritated my skin, even in that short time.
According to a patronising tit below wearing a lanyard makes you as bad as a mask wearer. I really didn’t expect to get hostility from people on LDS. Sad.
If youre referring to me I was trying to be polite not patronising, in case you genuinely hadnt realised the wider implications of your personal choice. Thats not hostility its info sharing.
No not you. D Barton. Apologies for the confusion! I Should have been more clear.
I think there are a lot of people who know or suspect this is all nonsense, and think it is only temporary, and are just either thinking they are being helpful, or going along with it for a quiet life. Assuming this goes on for ages, and gets extended to more and more settings, you’d hope that these kind of people will get more and more annoyed by it and start to rebel and wonder what it’s all for. What worries me is what happens if they don’t – it’s a test really. Are we really just a nation of sheep? We will find out. I absolutely refuse to believe that mask enthusiasts are in anything like a majority – borne out by the fact that even after the government announcement, shops were largely full of people with no masks on.
I completely understand. Not everyone is confrontational and not everyone lives in an anonymous city where they can maybe get away with bring a stand out rebel. I live in a right it community and as a councillor am quite well known locally so I wear an exemption lanyard. I’m pretty fit actually but I do have a condition that makes me more prone to hypoxia then most so you could say I’m gaming the system as the chances of me actually being made ill by a mask are probably as minute as me catching or transmitting covid! If your bf asks at Sainsbury’s customer service they will give him a lanyard. Every exposed mouth undermines the rationale for masks whether it’s through exemption or rebellion!
I was talking to a nice young lady in Marks yesterday, I asked if she was going to mask up today, I guess so she said, looking sad, I said she didn’t have to wear one if she had any issues at all with it and she didn’t have to prove anything to anybody and if she got the sack its wrongful dismissal. She just said she didn’t mind wearing one. Ah well, I tried.
Sad.
My husband is like your boyfriend – techincally he’s exempt as he suffers from really bad headaches and was nearly a victim of a crime a few years’ ago but he insists on muzzling up on public transport to avoid hassle then proceeds to constantly touch his face and fiddle with it to get some oxygen. His attitude is the same as well, he doesn’t like it but is afraid of the harassment and bullying especially from the police.
I used to think that we could see rioting in October but I’m thinking it could start kicking off come August when more shops close and more people are made redundant. I could be wrong as to when this all starts but definitely we will see a push back when the shit hits the fan.
Presumably it’s still in patent?
Osteoporosis drug could be repurposed to fight Covid-19An osteoporosis drug reduces coronavirus infection by 85 per cent in human cells, say scientists, opening the door to a quick new treatment for the condition.
The widely used drug apilimod is one of 13 new medications that has been found to fight coronavirus when scientists screened nearly 12,000 medications to see if any could battle Covid-19.
From the DT live.
My IT guy came the other day to pick up my PC for a health check in a full fuck-off bomber pilot face mask, complete with detached filter. I told him to take it off. He brought PC back today and I told him he wasn’t allowed to wear his mask which he didn’t. Not only that, but this bloke (who has probably been scaring the fuck out of other people with his mask – and he’s a nice bloke ) proceeds to show me photos on his iPhone of the patio he built during Lockdown (when he got a government grant of £5k) and he’s standing about a foot away as we scroll through his photos. So tell me, full on fuck-off face-mask one day and less than a foot distancing the next, does that compute? And he’s in IT.
They’re the worst!
My Cousin is like that. Mental, he just freeking LOVES it. (Ex RAF) Even now he wears a ful N95 respirator when he goes to see his old mum, (Autny)…just mental. I just cannot talk to him. Like just not talk to him, I haven’t since the lockdown. It’s really not going to go well.
Friday thought.
We are where we are.
Where do you want to be and how do we go about getting there?
Sounds a bit managerial for a friday I admit, sometime I surprise myself!
What i’m thinking is there’s a large amount that needs turning around and/or repealing. What steps might get us heading in a better direction?
Obvious thoughts from myself are to keep up talking and dissenting at every opportunity. The idea of a People’s Public Inquiry is a good one too. What other steps need to be taken?
I was thinking with input from here and some professional touches some excellent leaflets could be designed and printed and distributed to every household in the UK, with some pithy facts. We just need someone to put up some money. It could be part crowdfunded but would still need a few million.
“What steps might get us heading in a better direction?”
If anybody was willing to mount a legal challenge based on the argument that the current system has forfeited its legitimacy, I think there’s a good chance the courts would order a constitutional overhaul – there are a few obvious changes which could transform the current system and would be very hard to argue against.
Here’s one of the chief proponents of face masks Stateside: https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1286517178309779457 Oops!
Yes, do as I say. These tossers always have trouble following the stupid rules they make up for others.
If Trump needed an excuse he has a bigly one there!
As with Ferguson and Cummings it just shows what a sham it all is.
More on bumbling Boris today. As some of you know on here I am fond of watching TV/Youtube clips with the sound off first. Most of us use all senses at once, so they are often in competition. If any of you know anyone who is blind, the other senses often (over) compensate – my friend’s son is blind but is impressively perceptive on sound/mood etc. Just watched a clip of Boris, who I am convinced in mentally unwell since his stint in hospital. Watch him walk (today’s visit to the hospital where he described anti-vaxxers as nuts – on Sky). He is not walking straight, and quite noticeably. Suggests a neurological condition?
Hospital Sam Kylie (sp?) Interview. Boris was looking down at the floor a good deal as he spoke, looking for ideas before reconnecting his eyes to Sam. Injections of arm flaps with knee bounces seem to me to be his method for staying alive. He would die of boredom without keeping himself on an edge by doing a weird movement then speaking words inspired by his flap. Hard to word what I mean.
His eyes are as dead as a sharks, sorry sharks.
Then thumb pressed to index finger forward faux fist gesture shows his speech training is still engaged.
A sense of doing things to get through it rather than statesman drive and spirit. Whatever ‘it’ is, not firing on a full deck perhaps.
Boris isn’t in control of anything, he is doing what is told to do. We can all see he is is almost DESTROYED by the damage he is responsible for. A totally crushed man.
Fundamental problem was to rely on Cummings to interpret ‘the science’ on his behalf, and Cummings (and others) were too easily impressed by ‘the scientist’ with the model.
I feel there a more connected relationship between the scientists and the string pullers.
A down at the lodge kind of feel, except not down at the lodge, somewhere else.
Anticipate subpoenas in the US served on The Lancet at some stage over the paper that had to be withdrawn on HCQ. A Trojan horse that could be used to uncover some interesting links to Chinese datasets/WHO etc. I know of one man who might be motivated to do that – bigly!
That’s what I’ve thought all along.
He could do a David Cameron and go “OOPS look at the mess I’ve created. I’m clearly not qualified to sort it out. Bye!”
this
they got to him big time. that’s why he’s so broken
even though he’s a nasty eton tory I don’t believe he would subject us to this much torture
and no way did he gave corona. they got to him.
You have to wonder if he was ‘got at’ while in hospital..
Yes, that’s the one – Sam Coates.
I wondered if it’s because he’s not used to walking with his hands behind his back?
It seems to be a new affectation – does he think it makes him look like Churchill?
Churchill didn’t blather. Someone ought to tell Boris it’s more reminiscent of Prince Philip.
He stands with his hands behind his back when being interviewed (to stop him flailing them about), but he wasn’t when he was walking.
Hand behind his back like some jumped up primary school milk monitor.
My Dad is deaf and swears blind (punnnnnnnn) that his sense of smell is amazing to compensate. I think he’s full of crap personally but….. hey maybe he isn’t.
(I mean he wasn’t born deaf but went deaf pretty young so…..)
This is the way to wear your face mask:
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How’s it attached at the back?
Yesterday we were discussing converting thongs into facemasks.
Presumably he’s converted a facemask into a thong.
Don’t overthink it LT!
I assume he’s put one ear loop around each leg?
Pinch between the cheeks?
Ha ha. Brilliant this man ‘struts along busy Oxford Street’ today, ‘making a mockery of the new rules’. He absolutely gets my vote for making a stand against wearing face masks
Don’t think i’d want to be around when he sneezes into that mask…
I WANT THIS GUY’S PHONE NUMBER
Saw this on Reddit: Biderman’s Chart of Coercion
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/hwgqcg/bidermans_chart_of_coercion
Originally described “stress maniplulation techniques” such as torture and domestic violence but you can certianly add our current experience to the list.
Check out Amazing Polly http://amazingpolly.net/index.php (a fellow Canadian!). She does a whole video on how what is being done to us meets the criteria of non-touch (psychological) torture according to the Geneva Convention. She draws on Biderman’s Chart of Coercion as well. Her follow up video to this one is also very good.
Pleased to report that at a local independent supermarket, with a large Sikh community, muzzle compliance was maybe 60%. That was skewed by the elderly having total compliance, but the young and middle aged at much lower levels. Well done Sikh community. This stupid law will be effectively dead in a few days. It may also help people to see the disconnect between propaganda pieces on the BBC with their corrupt pollsters, and what they see with their own eyes.
“That was skewed by the elderly having total compliance” I suppose that is good because they are at higher risk
The elderly would be better off with normal oxygen levels and not having to expose their airways with stale air and a build up of bacteria and other pathogens on the mask
Sorry, I was being ironic. I keep telling people that the evidence is that muzzles aren’t good for them because of the reasons you state. Those that insist on wearing masks tend to stare back, expressionless. Maybe it’s the low O2 levels….
I hope it will be dead in a few days, not as optimistic as you though based on compliance in Scotland.
Theres a different mindset on sturgeonsland. The leaders wish is our delight. By general comparison Englands towns and cities have more dicerse character. That being said I have no news of how the Highland ands and Islands are doing. Cannot think many see a poimt up there. Is there a rural/urban split in maskage?
For any of you living in the East Riding of Yorkshire and Hull area, you might want to know that Sewell’s, who have a number of shops attached to petrol stations locally, will not be enforcing the muzzle edict. By way of a return email, they state that many people are unable to wear a face covering within their stores for a number of reasons and that I will be more than welcome in them without one. Nicely done!
100% compliance at my local Sainsbury’s I am afraid to say, bar one. Very very saddening.
Hopefully the novelty will wear off. Keep setting the example.
Just think about it this way: the more people do it, and the more often they do it, the sooner we get all signs and symptoms that sensible people know about from contact dermatitis to bacterial and fungal infections and aspiration pneumonia…
Tragic. I think Scotland was the same though. People are sheeple.
Headline in DM:
“Small Business owners say they can’t afford to keep giving NHS staff discounts – as one reveals she was asked to send free booze to a team of 53 ambulance service workers”
We need more headlines like that!
More NHS workers pushing their luck:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-53514524
Nobody’s got a gun to their heads forcing them to offer discounts.
Idiots.
I reckon that wasn’t a serious request.
Discounts for doing their jobs (allegedly) . But that is taking the P
Had a day trip to London today. Travelled from the end of the Central Line to London Bridge Station (so changed onto the Jubilee Line, en route). Walked to Borough Market. Shopped and ate and drank there for 3 hours. Travelled home again. Didn’t wear a mask at any time. Numerous TFL staff saw me and said nothing. A group of 3 cops stood next to me on one platform and said nothing. No one at Borough Market said anything. No passenger on Tube said anything. Just going to keep doing it.
Maybe give McDonald’s a miss
Bit of a sensational headline in the DM
McDonald’s kicks out diners for not wearing masks as brawls break out in supermarkets over customers not covering up – but Asda, Sainsbury’s and Co-op REFUSE to enforce new rules introduced today
“If COVID 19 vaccines become compulsory then the legal precedent will be set to force you to have every other vaccine the pharmaceutical corporations dream up in the future. You will have no autonomy over your own body, which will be owned by the State, and you will “officially” be a slave.
If it is not permitted to openly discuss the scientific evidence, both for and against vaccines, then medical tyranny is assured and any eye rolling by anti-rationalists merely demonstrates that they are not only incapable of understanding science they have no appreciation of history either.”
https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/23/we-must-inoculate-ourselves-against-the-crazy-anti-rationalists/
(Apologies if already posted)
We don’t have autonomy over our bodies anyway since the government decided it could harvest our organs unless we specially opt out.
At least we can opt out. And by that time, what does it matter if you’re dead?
I think it’s the principal that bothers me. If you don’t own your body what do you own? The 1832 anatomy led to the bodies of the poor being requisitioned for dissection resulting in much anguish for their families. These things shouldn’t be done by the state to anyone.
And if the hospital has a VIP who needs one of your organs, where is the incentive to take full care of you? Who would fully trust PHE, the NHS or (especially) our government?
..and collecting people’s DNA via coronavirus tests makes it all the easier to find a ‘perfect match’ for said VIP who is in need of a transplant..
https://www.bt.dk/samfund/mail-afsloerer-soeren-brostroem-fraraadede-at-lukke-skoler-kort-foer-pressemoede
Denmark’s PM stated that she was advised to close schools and other lockdown measures from the Public Health Body. Now a leaked e mail shows that 7 hours before the PM declared all these measurements in a press conference, she was advised by the Public Health Body not to do school closures or any other strong measure at this time. She disregarded this advice but obviously used the Public Health Body as backing these measurements.Interesting. It always surprised me that Denmark, which has such a relaxed attitude to life and health risks, should suddenly be so draconian compared to Sweden, a country which Danes always associate with a nanny state.
Very interesting. Again seems to imply some pressure from above which put Denmark on the same track (or in the same herd) as the majority of the world’s governments in their response to the virus.
If we are to assume that Governments were not really acting independently and were actually just following a lockdown script they were given regardless of what effect the virus was having on their own populations, the question then arises how and why was Sweden “allowed” to deviate from this script?
Would something about the Swedes’ prior behaviour and openness to “new technologies” be an indication?
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/22/658808705/thousands-of-swedes-are-inserting-microchips-under-their-skin?t=1595612276523
The Swedish Law does not allow Emergency Powers to isolate people in peace time.You can only use the Public Health Law to quarantaine buildings with suspect disease etc but not geographic areas let alone the whole country.Although very much a nanny state still giving freedom for the Public Health Bodies to proceed without much interference.Perhaps the politicians were burned after the Swine flu pandemic and the mass vaccination of a very enthusiastic population with Pandremix vaccine and the sveral hundered children and teenagers with narcolpesy as a side effect.
Narcolepsy, eh?
Did somebody give Boris the first dose?
Quite possibly. Sweden had half of all the reported Pandemrix-related narcolepsy cases in Europe, likely as a result of 60% of the population choosing to accept the offer of vaccination.
I wonder what the likely take-up of a rushed CV19 vaccine might be here? Especially if the one offered to Swedes is the Astra Zeneca one? Astra Zeneca being part-Swedish owned might increase the trust factor?
Yes that’s why Sweden “got off lightly” I think. Many people in Sweden have chips in their hand/wrists, I believe you can use them on the metro in Stockholm by swiping it and buy drinks food in a lot of bars. Not seen any evidence of this myself, just what I have read. It might have been a fad. Swedenborg? Got any low-down on this?
‘Many people in Sweden have chips in their hands/wrists’ – well, I’ve lived here for almost 11 years, in Sweden’s 4th largest city, and I know no one with a chip! Nor have I ever seen it being promoted..
That said, there are a lot of shops here in Uppsala that even before corona were going ‘card-only’ as regards payment, and there are quite a lot of apps about for various services, like bus tickets, where the app is linked to your bank account. ‘Swish’, a means of sending money to people via a mobile app linked to your bank account, is very popular. Having Bank ID on your mobile is pretty much essential too. But nonetheless, Sweden did introduce new banknotes and coins only a couple of years ago, so cash is not yet dead here…
Ok, yes I found it hard to believe that lots of people in Sweden have chips in them. I guess it must be that you guys have a government that isn’t totally evil and insane.
https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/research-resources/2020/social-isolation-risk-child-abuse-during-and-after-coronavirus-pandemic/
“The evidence reviewed in this briefing spells out the risks
normally associated with maltreatment”.
I’ve lost the comment where omeone asked for a response to the BBC Facts/myths about masks. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53108405
1) Surgeons
Surgeons work in strictly regulated environments where the the air is highly filtered and replenished at the rate of ideally 25 air changes per hour (1000’s of litres per hour) and its humidity is kept below 70% (see link below section 4)
https://www.rcophth.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Theatre-facilities-equipment.pdf
2) Oxygen
a)There are number of papers (pre-Covid) agreeing that wearing a face mask does not significantly reduce oxygen in the blood because the body compensates by raising the heart rate to mantain correct blood oxygen levels.
(here is one such paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7087880/ )
This may, however, lead to possible dangerous effects such Raised Blood Pressure and Stress on the heart muscle.
The BBC might want to consider heart conditions to its exemption list.
It could also look at the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020 Schedule 1
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/684/contents/made
b) There has not been sufficient research (or even an impact model as required by law) to assess danger of wearing face coverings. Neoprene masks will be very different to cotton ones. I have a feeling it would be easier to breathe through a low thread count cotton fabric than through tee-shirting fabric.
Are there shops refusing to serve people because they are not wearing a mask?
If so politicians such as Mr. Johnson should be asked if they support shops doing so.
If they do they support of shops doing this they must be asked if they support people being starved in to submission? Starved in to supporting a policy that is massively detrimental. Starved going against their conscious
They should be challenged on this.
Contravenes disability discrimination law. Could incur hefty fines.
Following on from my correspondence with B&M finally had a response from them today (to the question of what they would do if i appeared there maskless)
“The health and safety of our customers and colleagues is paramount to B&M.
The wearing of face coverings became mandatory in shops as of Friday 24th July.
However there are exceptions to these rules, as per the Government guidelines.
Our store colleagues are not in a position to question a person as to why they are not wearing a face covering. The liability for wearing a face covering lies with the individual.
I will pass your concerns to the relevant team, “
So that looks like they will take no action
Kids over 11?! Consider yourselves lucky. In my state, it is kids over 2 who have to wear masks. I’ve never attempted to put a stupid mask on my kids, and when I give them bandannas, they pull them down below their chins. Good for them.
As far as I’m concerned suppressing a child’s ability to build their immune system is tantamount to abuse where are the child welfare groups in all this ,if myself or my wife missed a doctor or dentist appointment for any of our Foster children in the 25 years we fostered there would of been hell to pay and fresh air, contact with peer groups and physical activity were absolute priority for the children’s welfare and mental well being yet that now seems not important ,someone in power should be advocating for children’s health
They don’t care obviously.
I was under impression that plod didn’t have the resources to police non-mask wearers!
https://twitter.com/Rother_Police/status/1286666522233049095?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1286666522233049095%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-16528829181409404942.ampproject.net%2F2007102309001%2Fframe.html
They are certainly right about helping me to spend less every day!!
Does anyone seriously believe the police won’t be out in force on this one? They’ll be all over it like a rash, despite that Dick woman’s comments.
Easy nick, innit. Can chase people not wearing masks instead of nicking crims.
goalpost moving creates new class of crims, get £100 each time;- really easy goal, cheating . Not fair play, especially on the police. This is not really what we pay them for and I doubt they really want to be doing this.. Problems for no medically evidentially backed reason. Everyone must by now realise we are all being gaslighted. I am not hyping it up when I say its a life or death one.
More half-truths from that shaggy-haired blond C**T!! Actually, not even half-truths, blatant damned lies. Claiming they didn’t know about asymptomatic transmission earlier on in the pandemic. Errrrrr, yes they fucking did: I believe Sunetra Gupta was saying this very thing back in February/March, but they chose to ignore her rigorous statistical analysis and go with Ferguson’s crytal ball method instead. The complete and utter tools!!!!
Is there actually any clinical study that confirms “asymptomatic” transmission, given that the only way to interpret “asymptomatic” is “immune”? Otherwise think about it: your body is replicating the virus, the virus escapes cells causing cell death en masse and your body is none the wiser?
I’m not convinced by asymptomatic transmission either. Is there any other respiratory viral illness you can pass on without symptoms? Maybe with very close contact, but surely not just in passing in a shop.
Dr Maria Van Kerkhove at the WHO said a couple of months ago that there was no evidence of transmission from asymptomatics, but was then forced to retract:
https://www.mdedge.com/cardiology/article/223631/coronavirus-updates/who-clarifies-comments-asymptomatic-transmission-sars
Wonder why?
She retracted it based upon computer models, too.
I’ll say again (as a software developer myself) computer models are engineering, not science.
I don’t think she retracted it, she just clarified that what she’d said only applied to truly asymptomatic people (i.e. people who were infected but would never have any symptoms), but not to pre-symptomatic people.
I do not know, but Gupta made the case that it may well have been spreading silently (i.e. asymptomatically) before cases were being observed. At least her model did actually fit the observed data, unlike professor Pantsdown’s!!!
Just realized I should clear something up — I am certainly not making the case for masks based on asymptomatic transmission — quite the opposite. I am saying that asymptomatic transmission is a good thing, as it means people are building up/already have immunity, and it is disingenuous of that shithouse Johnson to say they did not know about it.
Ok, let’s get slightly more technical. It’s possible that someone with such mild symptoms might be dismissive of those symptoms (who thinks that they might be infective if they sneeze a few times and that’s it?) while being infectious but to be truly asymptomatic you have to have the virus actually suppress body’s response which is what Van Kerkhove of WHO was trying to say but the media stupidity caused WHO to retract what she was trying to explain.
The problem is this: for most overtly symptomatic infections it is no worse than mild ‘flu; but having gone down the “fatal disease” path both the State and the media have no choice but to keep doubling down (recall how long it took them to admit, for example, that Saddam had no WMDs).
On the spreading asymptomatically front. My elder son arrived back from university in mid-March and started to complain about loss of smell and taste (long before it was one of the three signs). He was otherwise ok. Two of his friends flew back to their home countries at the same time, and were tested on arrival – both positive, but no symptoms at all. If I did catch it from my son in March, I was definitely asymptomatic. If I passed it to anybody I associated with in March then they were all asymptomatic too.
Asymptomatic transmission is the key pillar of this whole Corona Project. It is stating that healthy people are contaegeous and a threat to other people. It justifies EVERYTHING.
If this narrative was shown to be impossible or even extremely unlikely, that a person who is 100% healthy and has no symptoms of COVID19 but can still transmit SARS2-Cov then it would be a major step forward in putting the brakes on this run-away train.
… as well as “touch” transmission
Yes that another one and of course arsehole transmission,
Sorry, aerosol
trip to the co-op just now (deduced some time ago that co-op must be running the Karen apprenticeship scheme)
first time out today – needed some ale after sitting at home working all week at my desk like I’m in groundhog day (I wasn’t sure if it was actually Friday earlier)
had printed some of those flipping lanyard things – did a pretty good job with some stuff I had lying around to make my own cards. felt good to be creative. my printer’s fucked though so the colours weren’t solid however end result was very passable
anyway I waited for about 3 seconds in the car thinking how-ma-gonna-play-this
then bam fuck this I don’t need to think about how am I going to get fleeced again by the co-op. just go in like a good consumer and stand your ground on the bullshit!
leave car and approach co-op confidently. lots of masks. chap leaving promptly removes mask (in disgust I felt not sure)
queue forming as I near entrance. wtf out of the zillions of co-ops near me this is the only one sans queues. ffs! turns out it’s an old masked dude santising his basket. they should leave frail old folks out of their damned psyops (annoyed me)
mild queue forming (normal distancing I might add) and the blonde lady in front of me turns around. no mask yippee!
checkout drone hollers ‘wait there’ and blondey turns around again. muzzled. fuck! you bitch! I’m clearly the only unmuzzled and I thought you were on board! dammit!
two muzzles leave and I enter undertaking blondey. muzzle muzzle muzzle. avoiding eye contact I pick up my ale and a few other items and head for the short queue at the til. everyone is muzzled apart from the young street urchin in front – he’s fingering his new muzzle and a frozen pizza courtesy of co-op.
approach til
“you’re not wearing a mask”
“I don’t want to”
“why not?”
“they’re dehumanising”
“I know what you mean but..”
“they don’t work. viruses are too small”
“better wait for the vaccine eh”
“well you can”
“OK bye then”
“see ya”
chap behind all the while telling his muzzled other half how we must “all wear ’em else it won’t work”.
so yeah just don’t comply and stand up for what you believe in.
left feeling liberated and simultaneosly depressed (at my fellow man I suppose). we’ve been heavily brainwashed in the uk though so I can forgive them I guess)
Thanks for that! Seriously get a copy of that and send it back to your old self in january. The entire thing your write is you experiencing a full break down of society. All that stress and panic and alertness to buy a couple of beers on a Friday. I don’t want any part of a society as unpeaceful as this. And we are to be like this for two or more years perhaps.
Great post anon – striking.
I like that,good for you,love the conversation at the till.What has it come to when a normal thing like buying some Friday beers,something a few months ago we would almost have done on autopilot,leaves you sat in your car beforehand thinking like you are about to go in with a sawn-off shotgun !,also I hate those people that stand behind you in queues obviously talking about you but without the balls to say it to your face.
I’m about to nip to the shop maskless soon,I’m 50/50 on which way it will go,hopefully my custom will mean more them than brainless compliance,it’s the other customers that worry me,I’ve promised my wife I will try not to strangle anyone that sticks their nose in !,
With a mask on and sunglasses and hat, the sawn off might be not such a bad idea;- get someone else to sit in the car outside {with the engine running}, worrying about what people might think! – cheers))
sorry Paul, that was meant as reply to anon,)
Thanks for sharing that!!!!!!
Just listened to Piers Corbyn on Mark Devlins Good Vibrations Podcast.
I know the name Corbyn will put some off, have a listen, make your own mind up. Some interesting comparisons to historical events.
It is on YT here https://youtu.be/u-nNAbiIy0w It has not hit iTunes yet.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.14.095414v2Important new study from Univ College London.
“we demonstrate the presence of pre-existing humoral immunity in uninfected and unexposed humans to the new coronavirus. SARS-CoV-2 S-reactive antibodies were readily detectable by a sensitive flow cytometry based method in SARS-CoV-2-uninfected individuals and were particularly prevalent in children and adolescents.”“A possible modification of COVID-19 severity by prior HCoV infection might account for the age distribution of COVID-19 susceptibility, where higher HCoV infection rates in children than in adults, correlates with relative protection from COVID-19, and might also shape seasonal and geographical patterns of transmission.”
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.14.095414v2
Interesting, thanks. President Trump said at his press conference on Wednesday that there is a study coming out in the US as early as next week that shows children ‘don’t get the disease and don’t transmit it’, if I heard correctly.
Wow, the smoking gun! Note this: “Notably, SARS-CoV-2-uninfected donor sera exhibited specific neutralising activity against SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV-2 S pseudotypes, according to levels of SARS-CoV-2 S-binding IgG and with efficiencies comparable to those of COVID-19 patient sera”
This isn’t the indirect evidence we had from T-cells, this is actually neutralizing antibodies to SARS2 in people who never had Covid-19.
There was something similar in The Cell back in May, I think, where they estimated that 40–60% have immune cross-reactivity against SARS-CoV-2.
Yes, two studies one in Cell by Grifoni et. al. and the other one in Singapore by Le Bert et al. who found similar things (although I don’t think Le Bert found anything cross-reactive with the spike protein, although Grifoni did).
They found the T-cells (both kinds– the kind that help make antibodies, aka CD4+, and the kind that kill infected cells directly, aka CD8+). Although strong evidence, there was no proof how effective those memory cells (and the antibody responses they would elicit) would be against an actual SARS2 infection. It was likely they would help, but we don’t know how much, and there was even a theoretical chance they could make things worse.
These guys have shown they are in fact as effective as the antibodies you get from an actual SARS2 infection, and also why children hardly ever get Covid-19.
An interesting comment from the conclusion: “Public health measures intended to prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2 will also prevent the spread of and, consequently, maintenance of herd immunity to HCoVs, particularly in children. It is, therefore, imperative that any effect, positive or negative, of pre-existing HCoV-elicited immunity on the natural course of SARS-CoV-2 infection is fully delineated.”
In other words, keep children in school bouncing viruses off each other and they will stay immune to SARS2. Lock everyone down and suppress all viruses and who knows what will happen when they come back?
Thank you so much Guy for deciphering all the scientific/technical terms, it’s really helpful; ithout you I’d probably understand 1 word in 4!
I’ll second that, and also thank Swedenborg.
I went in shops today without a mask and just said “I can’t wear one” and nobody tried to stop me. I am exempt anyway as an asthmatic. But i did feel like i was getting stares and people seemed to keep away as if i was some kind of leper. ‘What changed overnight to make me more of a risk than i was yesterday? You’re all wearing fucking masks anyway you twats!’ i want to shout. What a world.
I am so angry now,I am just waiting for one dirty look and I will shame them as disgusting bullies….have had enough now.
I was at a few shops without a mask today but didn’t notice any strange looks.
Hopefully you will not either.
Yeah same here. One dirty look, tut or comment is all it’s going to take.
Don’t sham them as bullies. Shame them as idiots.
Please can people continue to share this petition to repeal the face-masks law? https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430
Numbers were moving up nicely earlier, but it has now only gone up by 2000 in the last 7 hours…
Signed.
Thanks – great! Don’t know if it is you guys on LS, but it’s now gone up almost another 2000 in the last hour since I posted here
A report from my local High street in South London as a shopper without a mask:
Last week I went to the shops in my High street around 10% were wearing masks.
Today everybody in shops were wearing masks, no other face covering. Even children of 5-6 years old. It is very depressing.
I first went to Waterstones: nobody at the door, nobody asked me about a mask.
TK Maxx: a person at the door “Do you have a mask?”, “No” “Would you like to wear a mask?”, “No”, then he said “Ok” and I walked in and bought some clothes. All staff were wearing masks, last week none were wearing masks.
H&M: A person at the door “Do you have a mask?” “No”, “You have to leave the shop then”, “OK, I will not shop here again”. The shop was empty.
M&S: a person at the door “Do you own a mask?”, “No”, “Would you like to wear a mask? “No”, “OK” and I walked in. No staff were wearing masks. Nobody said anything and it was not empty like H&M.
Primark: A young man at the door “You need to wear a mask”, “I don’t have one”, he started shouting “You need to wear a mask”, “I cannot”, “Why?”, “I don’t have to tell you”, he is still shouting “Why are you so rude, you need to leave the shop”. So I left.
Morrison: just walked straight in, nobody said anything at all.
I will check next week again. It is sad and unbelievable how conforming people are.
The Independent: Boris Johnson admits UK could have handled coronavirus outbreak better in early months.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-lockdown-coronavirus-england-quarantine-uk-covid-a9636891.html
He should have said that around the end of April.
Oh look, maybe he should of lockdown sooner, nor did he need to at all…..and remember, anyone not getting the vaccine this winter is ‘nuts’. Don’t trust you Boris…..
Great article: The COVID Panic Is a Lesson in Using Statistics to Get Your Way in Politics
https://mises.org/wire/covid-panic-lesson-using-statistics-get-your-way-politics?fbclid=IwAR1hjPO75OL9z0PY-lh5URPLFAd8fJeZbwCXBAAoQoV6TdExYfDtfI-dobw
Remember the Spanish antibody study saying the immunity was still low in Spain? That was based upon N antibodies. That study was used by many scaremongers to say that we have not reached herd immunity. The study below recently published says other antibodies must be measured to get a more reliable discussion about immunity.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.16.20155663v2.full.pdf
“We believe that our study has significant and urgent public health and translational impact. Firstly, our findings demonstrate that the half-life of the SARS-CoV-2 nucleoprotein antibody is only 52 days. This has immediate and important implications for large-scale seroprevalence surveys, government policy and mathematical modelling predictions which rely on serological tests that target this antibody. Secondly, the slower decay of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein antibody identified in this study makes assays to the spike protein a more reliable target for serological assays in the longer term. We demonstrate a strong positive linear correlation between spike/RBD antibody and ACE-2 receptor binding in vitro. Our findings are therefore likely to reflect the time to loss of a functional antibody response in SARS-CoV-2.”
I didn’t know they were looking for N! I guess they chose it because you apparently get high levels of it (I think this is also why it decays quicker– the body’s clever tricks for conserving IgG become saturated). But you would also expect it to result in false positives as lots of coronaviruses have it. Unless they picked some particular bit of it they reckoned was unique to SARS2.
It’s also encouraging to find that the half-life of the spike antibodies is quite a bit longer, as these are the ones that are doing the most work. Running out of antibodies is not the end of the world– you will likely only suffer a mild reinfection as the your memory B and T cells will recreate the antibodies and also the cell-mediated response you had before– but you want people to keep the antibodies around at least until the main epidemic is over. The duration of IgG antibodies seems very well adapted by evolution to get you through the main part of an epidemic (the duration of which is mainly determined by incubation and infectious periods, not by population size, and is therefore fairly constant).
Surely someone is producing masks with ‘under sufferance’ ‘utterly pointless mask’ or some such printed on it?
There’s plenty of masks in packaging that expressly state either “DOES NOT PROTECT FROM COVID-19” or “NOT TO BE USED AS PPE”
Are there any made to look like chocolate fire guards?
Needs to be printed on the mask itself!
Why, it’s not their job to protect the stupid from stupidity; they were warned. Same as with a lot of hand sanitisers—who actually reads the label on the sanitiser that says you need to sanitise for at least two mintes?
My favourite is “this mask is as useless as the government”
“… but not nearly as dangerous”
Just read that there were a thousand applicants for one job in a restaurant. Hope the lockdown zealots are proud.
Attention all Mirfield, Dewsbury and Leeds dwellers.
More covid traffic idiocy proposed:
https://kirkleestogether.co.uk/2020/07/23/consultation-starts-on-improvements-to-key-west-yorkshire-route-between-mirfield-dewsbury-and-leeds/
Q: What are disabled drivers supposed to do?
A: Crawl along in a traffic jam caused by the priority bus routes, like the people trying desperately to get out of Halifax.
Update from N. Ireland
No mandatory masks in shops, I’d say I see maybe 1 in 20 wearing a mask in the shops I was in today.
Had a pint and lunch in a pub, was essentially normal except for some hand sanatizer, and we had to ask for vinegar.
They are hanging the threat of mandatory masks over us, possibly by Aug 20th, but there has been about 1 or 2 deaths in the last couple of weeks. It makes no sense to impose it.
Anyway, come to Belfast if you want relative normality.
Don’t start. My wife’s from Tyrone and tries to find any excuse to make me go to Northern Ireland
Well I suppose it’s slightly better than the nominated visitor idea:
We will purchase Wellbeing Pods for our care homes that will help reunite residents with family and friends kept apart during lockdown.
The proposal highlights the mental health impact of the coronavirus lockdown and how residents have been impacted by not seeing loved ones in person.
How will the pods help residents?The pods will allow residents to meet family and friends in a socially distanced face-to-face way without the risk of spreading the infection.
Two pods will cost £50,000
However, it’s only two pods for a population of about 500,000 in a district that’s working hard to outlaw car use!
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am …..
All this money being spent, to keep people apart, when the simplest and most natural way is to just MEET. God almighty it’s just so painful.
Presumably said pods will need fumigating between visitors too?
flippin WELL BEING PODS!!!
Another steely dan fan
This is a decent piece pulling apart mask usefulness.On Talk Radio which give airtime to this kind of thing which is decent. Growing numbers of listeners too, so the word will get out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHA-a4moDKE
It’s actually worse than bad science: in one of the case-control studies the Royal Society relied on in their push for masks, the “researchers” actually let it slip that the subjects were using oseltamivir phosphate (aka TamiFlu) and made no comparision between unadjusted Odds Ratio for masks vs OR for masks adjusted for TamiFlu (interestingly, their paper also had far better Odds Ratio if you had the right kind of “footwear” whatever that meant), that’s abysmal science!
I am very frustrated by comments suggesting that “the government” (Boris, Hancock etc) are engaged in a conspiracy with the public health professionals to coerce the public into obedience.
This is fundamentally to misunderstand the nature of the problem. A government has to get elected. A government is simply a very few (remarkably few) people representing the interests of the public to those services that are supposed to work for them. On the other side are hundreds of thousands of people who allegedly work for the public but who often see it as the other way round.
The real problem is that our government is massively overpowered by on the one hand the BBC, and the other the public services. I see this lockdown as the overwhelming force of the public health professionals, together with the BBC, simply sweeping government aside. The government meanwhile has taken the only choice available and go with the flow. This is only what successful ministers do normally. The successful ones (like Hammond) quickly learn to do what their department tells them. This is the real problem: the public’s lack of control of the public sector.
Hmm, does anyone (ANYONE) believe Maggie would have kowtowed to the BBC?!!!
Maggie would not get elected today.
She was only elected after decades of governments failing to deal with Trades Unions.
The electoral lesson from Blair, Cameron, May, Johnson is that you need to be media friendly, and you need broadly to go along with the public sector consensus on how to run public services.
Johnson is a curve ball for the BBC because he is amiable but not pliable.
She got elected after the power cuts, strikes, 3-day working week, mountains of uncollected rubbish in the streets etc that were the result of Labour governments.. The way things are going, all that could happen again, but this time under the Tories!
It’s hard to know exactly what the PM and the BBC think of eachother. I am not sure I care much.
He’s not up to the job. Not that it looks like there are many alternatives who would have been better, not just here but globally. But that doesn’t excuse anything he has done.
Yes but the media decide who will be voted in – Murdoch put Blair in power. Thatcher would have waltzed past Corbyn in any election.
The beeb trumpeted Boris’ stupid slogans at every available opportunity.
All it every reported of Corbyn was the anti-semitic stuff that was conveniently ramped up in the last couple of weeks before the election.
I thought the media did not want Johnson to be elected, because they want us to stay in the EU…
She set about systematically disempowering it after it took the piss out of Dennis’ drinking habits.
“I see this lockdown as the overwhelming force of the public health professionals, together with the BBC, simply sweeping government aside. The government meanwhile has taken the only choice available and go with the flow.”
Except that that’s utter bollocks, isn’t it? Johnson hasn’t even tried to resist. In fact he and the rest of his cabinet of clowns have been prime movers in most of this. They haven’t been “forced” or “pushed” into anything. They might have been “frightened” into doing some stuff, but that’s just a consequence of their own stupidity and lack of moral fibre.
Please do try to explain exactly what disaster would have befallen “the government” if they hadn’t entirely gratuitously introduced this evil,nonsense of compulsory mask wearing?
They are absolutely as personally and collectively responsible for this shit-show as anybody else in the nation.
They are scum. And so are the “Opposition”. Never forget. Never forgive.
Emotive, but not analytical. Why is the government going along with lockdown? The answer is obvious. The electoral cost, in terms of BBC and public sector opposition, is too high.
What about leadership?
If they think it’s all nonsense, they should resign if they haven’t got the stomach for it.
Also how do you explain face masks? I could concede there was a majority in favour of some kind of lockdown at the start, but if the majority of people really believed they were murdering pensioners by shipping barefaced, how come they have all been doing so up until now? Even after the government announcement, the majority continued to shop barefaced as long as they could. How has the government’s hand been forced there?
Facemasks for all now or else we take your pocket money away. This was the threat to all world governments in the coalition.
This isn’t an issue that requires deep analysis. It’s right there on the surface. If you are going to try to pretend that something is true that is as profoundly opposed to evident reality as what you are trying to claim here, you are going to need to come up with an awful lot more than you have so far.
Your argument is ridiculous on its face. The government is newly elected, with,a thumping majority. It has nearly five years to go before it has to face the electorate again. It’s literally stupid to claim it acted out of supposed fear of electoral consequences.
The only way to make that case is to claim to believe what some say is the “Cummings idiocy”: that somehow if the government hadn’t locked down etc it would have suffered such a disaster that its electoral credibility would have been irretrievably destroyed, so that nothing it did over the next four years could have recovered its standing. And that is, as the name suggests, simple idiocy.
To believe it could apply to the gratuitously vicious decision to impose masks by law now is doubly idiotic, to a degree that would bring the honesty or sanity of the person making that case into question.
Venom, but no logic.
Of course it has acted for fear of electoral consequences! The biggest risk to a Conservative government in the next thirty years is that they let people die. The BBC knows this. Labour knows this. Sturgeon knows this. And yet somehow the lockdown sceptics don’t know it.
Your position requires us to believe that people will still remember in four years’ time what happened this summer, and that nothing that happens in the intervening time could change their view of the government. That’s basically pure speculation and fantasy on your part. They say (with good reason) that “a week is a long time in politics”. Four years is an eternity
Your position is apparently the “Cummings idiocy”, and so it might well be that the government were panicked into the disastrous course of action they have followed (and continued to follow) because they were persuaded into believing such nonsense by insiders such as Cummings, but just because they allowed themselves to be deluded doesn’t make it any more plausible.
And even if we accept it for the panic lockdown decision itself, we’d have to stretch ourselves yet further into delusion to think it explains the absurd later decisions such as quarantine periods and compulsory mask wearing.
Your position is inherently illogical. Basically it uses a claim of supposedly all powerful media and medical professionals to justify obeying those forces, thereby making them all powerful.
It’s just a silly way to try to rationalise this government’s cowardice, panic and failure to live up to its leadership responsibilities.
Consider this: if your premise were true, it would have been the absolute basic duty of the Johnson government to have taken a firm, open and honest stand against the forces you describe in March this year, regardless of the potential personal costs. The first thing they should be doing, now, would be to take steps, using their secure majority, to aggressively dismantle the BBC. They aren’t and they won’t, because they see the BBC not as you would have it, as something forcing them into action they hate, but rather as a general political rival that has proved to be very useful in the coronapanic. That’s because the opposite of what you claim is true – on the coronapanic the government are not whipped, reluctant servants of a media/health professional tyranny. Rather they are fearful cowards.who largely believe what those forces say.
And the destruction of the economy and fracturing of civil society is not an electoral cost.The fact is that Johnston and the govt. took this country into lockdown despite the scientific evidence.There is no one else to blame.They are elected to serve this country and have betrayed it utterly.
Do you seriously think that this is what the majority in the country think??
There are more people arguing that the government betrayed the country by not locking down earlier.
That Chief Medical Officer is such a patsy. He just says whatever Cummings tells him. Yes?
Oh FFS. What a classic of naively bathing in the confirmation bias of nonsense at the expense of the real world.
Poor Boris and Cummings – victims to the last! I laughed ’till the tears ran down my leg!
Would you like to explain what you think Johnson and Cummings motivation could be in going against what you say is the self evident will of the majority of the population?
Of course governments are not all-powerful and have to some extent to work with the civil service and other parts of the public sector, and with the media.
But it seems to me that your theory is blown out of the water by Brexit. The “establishment” were/are overhwelmingly pro-Remain, yet we have a government that, at least for now, is still on track to complete our departure from the EU.
I think the government is more worried about public opinion right now than they are about the Establishment. I think it’s pretty obvious that we are where we are with covid because the government felt pressured to do something, in the eyes of a frightened public.
As Mark points out, there’s little evidence of any desire on the part of the government to come out of this – in fact quite the opposite – they have seized every opportunity to do the opposite. If not, why did they engineer Leicester?
And finally, regardless of the above, they sought power and when the big questions were asked, they came up short. Their crimes are so huge that, if they seriously felt they could not lead the country in the right direction because of the BBC or the public sector, at the least they should have said what they really thought and resigned.
The PM and others should never be allowed near public office again, and should probably be at the least exiled for life, if not face criminal charges.
Criminal charges at the very least.I think the Blair government took the death penalty for treason off the statue books.shame
I think the government is just deliberately prolonging lockdown by any devious means they can. Their policies are deliberately slippery and nonsensical. The constant propaganda stops scared people from questioning.
This is destabilising society ready for phase 2.
Phase 2 – compulsory vaccine in order to be allowed to work, plus vaccine passport if you want to travel????
And replaced with? You have to engage brain before emoting.
In the short term, the best one can hope for is some kind of recognition that the virus has been mis-handled, a clearing out of the most culpable, replaced by others who are a little more realistic and sensible. I doubt even that will happen.
In the longer term, stop voting Conservative and vote for a party, as UKIP did, that forces the Tories to better represet conservative views. That probably won’t happen either.
Just because there are not obvious alternatives doesn’t mean that the PM and others are not culpable. I suppose it’s possible they believe the nonsense they come out with, in which case they are merely incompetent, but I struggle to believe that. They know it’s nonsense and they do it anyway. That’s immoral.
A large part of the electorate are pensioners and not adversely affected by lockdown. A large part are on minimum wage and not affected financially. A large part are in public service and not affected financially.
You are mistaking your own opinion for self-evident truth. The fact is that, for a majority of people, lockdown is very comfortable indeed. No commuting. No childcare costs. £25k pa guaranteed, without having to work. £60-100k guaranteed, without working, if you are a senior person in public service.
The question we need to answer is: how can it be that so many people are – at least in the short term – immune from the economic impact of their actions?
In the short term, they seem to be. In the long term, I can’t see how they can be immune. Sadly people seem to believe in magic money trees
I’m sorry but a government just elected with a 80 seat majority can do exactly as it pleases.
To say it is beholden to the media is absolute rubbish.The entire media has become the governments mouthpiece.
The government is currently the biggest spender on advertising in the media.The governments actions are indefensible and the blame rests there.nowhere else.
“The governments actions are indefensible and the blame rests there.nowhere else.”
Well, in fairness to WhyNow, there’s plenty of blame to apply to others, including both the other targets he mentioned – the BBC and public health professionals. Those organisations and individuals have behaved disgracefully and manipulatively. They are absolutely blameworthy for the mess our elites have made of this, that they have meaningfully contributed to. But they are not solely to blame, and they have no leadership responsibility – that rests, as you suggest, squarely and immovably with the government. There’s no realistic world in which the Johnson government is not directly responsible for the mess it has made, and its actions are indeed indefensible.
I agree that they are all culpable but the buck stops with the government and they will deservedly get the blame the consequences become apparent.
Yes, I agree with you on that. I was just being a little pedantic there.
Exactly what the BBC wants. The buck stops with a Conservative government. So we get a Labour government. And that would handle the hysteria better?? I am really waiting to hear in what way Starmer would have handled it better. Lockdown earlier and more often? Just what the sceptics wanted.
Great. So we elect Starmer and he is supposed to be the fearless leader that will face down the tyranny of the BBC and the public services? Someone has their map upside down.
Quite right
I am amazed that people don’t see the way the game is played.
How can you be a lockdown sceptic if you think that the majority of public opinion is on your side? You can’t be a sceptic about something you think everyone agrees with, FFS.
Everyone thinks the government should do what they want. The trick is to get the general public to want what you want. That’s pretty tough when you have the BBC and the entire public service, not to say the twitter mob, ready to defenestrate anyone who so much as suggests this virus is less serious than ebola.
It seems that a number of sceptics don’t really appreciate the depth of the problem we face.
The problem is not that some academics and health professionals think we should lock down. It is that the public guardians in the BBC and in public health have such power that they can coerce a government into locking down. And the Treasury into funding it.
Seriously. Does anyone think that Johnson, Cummings, Hancock are going with lockdown because of their personal assessment of the medical risk? How cute! They are doing it because it seems to be electoral suicide to do anything else.
Lettem stare. Fuck ’em.
Peter Hitchens on Any Questions now and nailing it!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm
And yes, I feel very dirty listening to the BBC aka The Ministry of Truth
Five minutes in, and the beeboid is desperate to get Hitchens to admit he “breaks the law”. But Hitchens is not answering it directly. Very sensible.
He said earlier on in this “crisis” that he was following the rules because he believes in the rule of law, but recently he has become evasive. I’d rather he stayed evasive and keep his platform on a national newspaper.
Sumption said he changed his mind and started breaking the rules when he concluded that the government had gone beyond the pale.
His best defence is to say yes I did break the law because the law is insane. So what? Better that then beat about the bush, they will stick it on him somehow and then its game over for him, at least in that interview. The BBC are VILE. Which is an anagram of EVIL.
The beeb have not done their research – plenty of photos on his Twitter feed, of Hitchens wearing an ancient gas mask on public transport…
He’s too bright for the beeb!
Had to stop listening once James Stupidly started to waffle about seatbelts and crash helmets. And who is the Chinese woman – I’m not a scientist but …..
Load of bollox. Wouldn’t be so bad if you could at least speed up the playback like on youtube and get it over with quickly.
I hope Peter Hitchens was able inject some sense in there later but I just couldn’t stomach any more.
“A date that will live in infamy” – that was Pearl Harbor, wasn’t it. And now, the Japs have shown us how to deal with a viral outbreak. Funny old world, innit?
The Govt and the MSM are now the totalitarian Axis Powers. The British people now stand alone, as they did in 1939, against the forces of Evil.
The Government IS the virus and the Media ARE the spreaders.
You know, it occurred to me yesterday – I have heard many stories in the last few months of people dying and being misclassified as a Covid death and heard several people say that they have had elderly relatives die in the last few months, some for reasons you’d attribute to lockdown. Some of this may be because I hang out here.
I haven’t heard a single “my granny died of Covid” story except on BBC.
Just an observation.
The government wants you to wear a mask if you want to and not wear one if you don’t want to. This, it believes, is leadership. You know differently.
Government exemption certificate download for mobile phones (second document):
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
Mobile phone exemption certificate download:
file:///C:/Users/tim/Downloads/Exemption_from_face_covering_badge_for_mobile_phone.pdf
P.S. Uniformed security staff wore masks outside and then, taking a break inside store, removed them……..
Is it wise to let the government know who and how many people are downloading exemptions? We know how they love collecting data…
In my view, that would be far beyond their level of competence.
No shit
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-enforcing-face-covering-law-will-be-impossible-police-fed-chairman-12035073
So far Dominic Raab has been seen mask-less in a food bank (ok, it’s not exactly a shop, as no money changes hands, but still…). How many more mask-less MPs can we catch on camera?
Don’t encourage the shaming into wearing masks. Boris’ current disgraceful posing is bad enough.
If they’re left to not wear them, they’ll set an example that helps our cause!
I wasn’t meaning shaming them into wearing masks – I was thinking that if MPs are not wearing them, then that proves to the public that there is no medical need for anyone to wear one..
Fair enough but the press will seize any opportunity for shaming, rather than allowing the anomaly to speak for itself.
I imagine the novelty might wear off, especially when people realise that no one will enforce it. They’ll think HANG ON, they don’t have to wear them, so why am I?!
Think the Cummings scenario but with masks
I’m not wearing a mask because I want to test my eyesight?
Could work
Its like antisocial distancing, no-one really cares about that now and I think you’re right about muzzle wearing especially the police won’t really be enforcing this. They got burned by trying to enforce antisocial distancing plus with BLM their credibility is shot and they know this.
McDonald’s kicks out diners for not wearing masks as brawls break out in supermarkets over customers not covering up – but Asda, Sainsbury’s and Co-op REFUSE to enforce new rules introduced today
Meanwhile, customers reported seeing fights break out in supermarkets, with masked shoppers confronting those not wearing a covering.
One person wrote: ’10:05am I entered Sainsbury’s, 10:08am there’s a fight in the second isle because someone hasn’t got a mask on and the lady with her kid was panicking and shouting at the anti masker ….. end result?
‘Lady picks up a tub of double cream and throws it in their face.’
All your fault, Johnson, Hancock, Gove, Sunak, and the rest of the morons in the Cabinet, and Cummings no doubt.
You did this, and you are responsible for it and for all the rest of the chaos and misery to come. And you did it basically gratuitously. Nobody “made” you do it. There’s no significant benefit to doing it that could come close to matching the costs. You just imposed a law because you could and because you are too stupid or uncaring to understand the costs of doing so to ordinary people.
You aren’t meaningfully conservative, or liberal, or even British, in any traditional sense. What you have done goes profoundly and fundamentally against all those things.
You are evil, illiberal, cowardly scum.
Never forget. Never forgive.
The Cabinet will be in dire need of a damn good head wobble
A guillotine could supply one.
Happy to wear a mask if needed.
Enjoy your mask: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nz5wwIhVsc
You see imot when a guillotine was used it was custom for the executioner to wear a. Drum roll. Mask. So my making my comment to Annies comment I made a black humoured joke.
I dare say there’d be quite a queue to wear the mask should a guillotine be swung into action.
Too french.hung drawn and quartered English style
Lock them all up in an empty Nightigale hospital with no food and leave them to it.
Bets on who eats whom first and who’s the last survivor should be interesting.
Ugh! Who’d eat any of that lot?
They’d be locked IN Annie, not our problem.
The French had another version of that. It involved four bits of string and four horses and it was definitely not nice, but very, very final.
Genghis Khan & his ilk liked that version too.
… the subtitles are also in spanish. Which is less than helpful.
Its a good video. You only need to wait for the results. Grim to gruesome in those petri-dishes.
It does help to know the masks have had varioys amounts of use from light to a good shift.
youtube has autotranslate functionality, works for most part
Geez three myopic humourless down votes.
I spell it out for you if its too much.
Annie: A guillotine could supply one.
Basics: Happy to wear a mask if needed
Perhaps its been a long day for you.
ok, actually funny, but sometime you do have to spell things out for daft folk like me ;p
There’s a bloody great gang of you! Was going to say it must be my joke… but now you say funny I am left confused! I will never funny again – keep us all safe.
Damn skim thumbs downers!
Cool it, friend. We are all a bit uptight just now.
Sometimes you have to spell it out because the witty comment gets separated by other comments and the joke is lost.
I’ve just had to edit this comment twice because that happened – not that this aims to be witty.
Basic people need to read the thread then they would understand.
I can supply a blunt rusty blade if needed.
Defenestration above Windsor or Edinburgh Castle would be a good idea.
Wonder if anyone got that confrontation (with the throwing of double cream) on film?!
I was wondering if she removed the top and the foil.
It all sounds very Daily Vile!
I wonder if the shop made her pay for it!
Yes all a little too viral and outlandish for my believing.
Well said Mark. They all have blood on their hands on a genocidal scale, and that includes the enablers – the rest of the Cabinet and the ‘doctors’ on, and close to SAGE.
The really frustrating thing is that the obvious route of voting for their political rivals doesn’t achieve anything much, because their rivals are all as bad or in most cases worse than they are on this.
We need new parties, stat.
You are completely right Mark. The prospect for a vibrant democracy doesn’t look too good – new parties required plural. How in heck can that be achieved! Different ideologies forming at the same time to overtake the existing. Would be fascinating to see.
Our political system is set up to make it difficult for new parties to appear or gain any seats. So long as we have first past the post and the deposit system it isn’t going to happen.
Yes. The status quo is long set to protrct itself.
Agree. The way things are shaping up, however, it is entirely plausible that elections will be cancelled forthwith. Lockdowns, masks are an infringement of civil liberties, as well as being completely pointless. Mandatory CV vaccine, if ‘we’ refuse to engage with the Flu jab this autumn – all bets are off!
As I wrote earlier, the plan to mass-vaccinate everyone with the ‘flu’ vaccine this autumn makes me very suspicious that this year’s version will be ‘spiked’ with some nasties – they must realise that persuading a majority of the population to accept a rushed CV-19 vaccine will be difficult, so they need a plan B.. Don’t fall for it!
No, I won’t be. I don’t think they will spike it, but they are certainly being disingenuous. I am not anti-vaxx, but in the case of a vaccine that will likely be rolled out before it is given regulatory approval, and has not been tested over an extended timeframe, absolutely no chance!
So. Elections called off. Crowd calls a coup. Crowd goes onto street. Army joins crowd because no one can defend Boris the tosser. Boris gone.
Elections called off. Crowd dislike. Crowd lives with Boris the tosser as king. Queen says wharrabout me! Army ousts king boris. Boris gone.
Elections called off. Then what?
I can’t see their is disipline within the armed forces for privates and nco’s to be on our streets against the people. That’s what the colour revolution does isn’t it?
A quiet coup does seem to be happening. I’m clueless as to the possible outcomes.
Boris has apparently put the army on standby for the autumn I think I read somewhere yesterday. Ominous!
For what eventuality? Riots when the furlough scheme ends and there is mass unemployment? No deal Brexit?
I can certainly see riots from pending economic collapse. Not sure how to read the Brexit debate at the moment – it could go either way.
I agree with seeing riots coming. Could a british PM call off elections with riots then a fresh memory, it would be incendiary.
I heard there was an Army camp set up in Dumfries just at tge start of lockaway. I never buy that. But! There absolutely have been RAF exercises throughout being explained away in the local press as training. Very unusual to see low hercules? Over the city.
I don’t see theres enough separation in tge personel to blindly follow the orders that would be required.
Yellow vest in France were reporting riot police were speaking other languages while policing in france. The distance of separation is important in such circumstances.
At the start of the lockdown, they were saying they’d got 20,000 troops on standby.
Recently they were saying they were laying off 20,000 troops. Coincidental magic numbers – or magic troops that never existed in the first place?
Observation locally in the Thames Valley – as I suspected the ‘ethnic*’ coffee shops and takeouts aren’t enforcing this, although I believe the Polish shops are.
Enjoying reading everyone’s comments, I’ve been a bit quiet lately as I’m trying to get my team back to work under ‘level 3 conditions’…
** I hope this doesn’t offend anyone!!
I’ve heard anecdotally here in Glasgow that in Asian mini markets, takeaways etc the face mask rules are bring largely ignored, with full approval of the owners/management. If things become unpleasant at the big supermarkets, it’s good to know that you can always get a friendly welcome, without mask, at your local Asian food shop.
Same in Edinburgh Gillian as remarked earlier. Not just Food shops but other places too. A very nice attitude to diktat without sound basis. I would agree too that these shops deserve support away from shops with the oppressive atmosphere.
Was in a Turkish restaurant the other night, group of youngish Turkish men celebrating a birthday, lots of hugs and handshakes, talking loudly close to one another, sure the virus doesn’t bother them one bit.
I hereby pledge I will never vote Tory again.
And I will never vote Tory OR Labour again!
That’s more like it, I think.
Raving Loony Party would be a more sensible choice next time round.
Compared to the current government, the monster Ravin Loony party look positively sane!
I currently have 6 options in Germany.
None is acceptable to me anymore.
For good.
What the heck CAN we vote for?
The Party for Real People maybe?
SDP seem sound-ish, if you’re socially conservative and into nation states. They are a bit more socialist economically. I’ve not looked recently but they didn’t have much to say on lockdown. Maybe worth a look, although Rod Liddle is involved who I used to think had some sense until he came out with his nonsense about “not every country in the world can have go this wrong”.
I never did, never would, and never will.
But where the f.’s *any* opposition – one half of the democratic equation?
I’ve heard of and seen creepy compliance – but this is beyond belief.
Yes I’ve never been keen on tories, for reasons even their supporters now must be seeing – that by and large tory mps are a bunch of self serving useless twats.
However, I am totally homeless now, politically, lib dems and Labour a waste of space, I actually can’t work out the point in either of them anymore. and that’s our lot. I don’t count anything farage is involved in as an actual party, given he’ll fuck off the moment someone waves a cheque in his vague direction (and he’s a cunt) .
Scotland calling. Chin up folks!
Today being a bit more surreal than usual.
It started with being shouted at for going into a Londis, which only allows 2 people in at a time. I was the 3rd. Big shop, couldn’t even see the other humans. Go figure.
At work I had some occupational medical examinations booked. Being compliant with the PH Scotland guidance, I’m in a mask, gloves and a plastic bin-bag. The client gets gloves and a mask. The first one’s gloves kept splitting when he held a (single-use disposable straight to landfill) pen, so we abandoned that.
The next one was a bit of a mumbler, so the mask had to go, in case I missed some safety-critical point in his medical history and passed him fit to kill a family of four in his Very Large Vehicle.
Next one, we had to take a blood test.
It’s a ‘splash-risk’ procedure, so on goes my face-visor. That kept slipping down because I was wearing a bin bag and sweating like Sturgeon during an enquiry on Covid nursing-home deaths.
So, despite having a reputation for getting blood out of a stone, I was reduced to being a can’t-see sh*t kack-hand. 3 attempts to hit the vein. Poor sod.
The next one left with a Fit certificate with a wrong date typo on it, due to my sweaty gloved fingers malfunctiong. He popped back later to collect a corrected version in a chatty encounter, in which both of us wore nothing except our normal clothes and faces.
What a bloody pantomime…
On the way home I called at Tesco, (after popping back to the car for the forgotten mask of course) – have to conform because my Tesco still has a Gauleiter on the door.
For the second time today I got shouted at. This time for being ‘too close!’ to a fat woman at the till. My pointing out that her BMI in excess of 40 conferring a Covid-risk age of 10 additional years to her chronological age was game-set-and-match to my being within a few feet of her, was not, umm, well received.
Welcome to the UK July 2020. The ‘U’ stands for ‘Unhinged’
Home now to take the edge off with a large glass of Cab Sav, thank God.
A brilliant comedic piss-take.
Sorry if this has already been flagged up.
Do watch today’s UK Column broadcast. The first bit about masks had me laughing out loud several times.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-24th-july-2020
That was pretty funny actually Mike and Patrick were really cracking up, never seen that before really.
Friday’s Column is always full of dry humour but today’s was a cracker.
A good episode today. Patrick is always good value.
I was a bit puzzled when they referenced Sherelle Jacobs column and commented that it was the first bit of resistance from her to the MSM narrative. Sherelle has pushed a pretty consistent line against this nonsense for months now in her Thursday morning column, often to her own detriment as I have gradually seen her column pushed down the pecking order these last few weeks.
Yes, and some pretty unpleasant comments underneath her articles from the attack dogs. She never pulls her punches and is extremely perceptive.
About the most perceptive piece I’ve read during all of this fiasco was by Ms Jacobs way back on 26 March, at the start of the lockdown.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/26/lockdown-wests-berlin-wall-moment-elite-managerialism-collapses/
The last five paragraphs struck me then, and even more so now. It’s as if this is a culture fight to the death.
Mrs TJN is aware that I’m in awe of the lovely Ms Jacobs, but doesn’t seem too worried or jealous. (I’m also in awe of Lionel Shriver, but would be too petrified to meet or cross her.)
Yes, Ms Jacobs is astonishingly perceptive. Her writing is a bit hyperbolic at times, but I read that as a sign of literary ambition. She’s the Telegraph’s asset, not the other way around.
Sampling report :
Had to drive down to the Drop-In Centre for an antibiotic, as the GP surgery now guarded by a fence of non-service (watch out for ‘reshaping’ of health services near you)
I did wear a mask to go in – I’m deliberately not making a fuss in health locations. But I did remark to the Nurse/Guardian at the entrance that the virus had, essentially disappeared.
Which provoked a haughty “I can assure you that it hasn’t” – despite all evidence to the contrary – showing how particular situations + an infusion of propaganda doesn’t equal insight or wider grasp, even in the professions involved.
The up-side was that outside – on pavements and outside pubs, there was no sign of a growth in mask wearing prompted by the shop idiocy. There is a well of scepticism to be tapped into – I hope, when people clock the sheer barmy idiocy of the inconsistent regulations
Mandatory face masks is a bit like this…
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So some good news and some bad. Went to the local co-op and the local small Asda, didn’t wear a mask, staff clearly weren’t bothered at all. No one challenged me or even looked at me funny. All as normal, except they were wearing masks. Bad news though, I was the only non-conformist in either store at around 4-5pm.
Slightly more optimistic though my wife has just returned from the same Asda to say that the rebels were out in force at 8.30pm, with hardly any mask wearing in evidence.
Promising… What part of the country are you in?
Lancashire
Thanks
Give them some ecky-thump!
That is good news critical mass sorely needed in shops.
Virus goes to bed at 8pm. Didn’t you get the memo? It’s the science!
The virus goes to bed when Celebrity Master Chef starts on BBC1
Good and bad day for me today. Decided to escape Freaky Friday with a day trip to Matlock Bath. It wasn’t all eating and drinking, but Tucker’s Fish & Chips were good, socially distanced queue but no masks. Likewise the Midland Hotel for a pint, voluntary hand sanitiser and track & trace but nobody bothering much, lots of tables to sit outside in the sun, quite busy but no problem finding a table. Mad Hatter tea rooms OK, staff masked but friendly, most tables pre-booked but one was available, a book to write name & phone number for T&T. All three places happy to accept cash. Observations on people going into general shops: they put on their masks, and as soon as they come out they either lower it to their chin, dangle it from fingers, or shove it in their pocket. Exactly the behaviour which was said 4 months ago to be why general mask wearing by the public is useless or harmful. A lot of the “hobby business” shops (antiques etc) closed, maybe they only open on Saturday & Sunday or may never reopen.
Email from Nottingham Contemporary gallery “welcoming me back” on 4 August. My reply: “You may well be looking forward to welcoming me back on 4 August, but I have to tell you now that I will not be visiting as long as I am required to inhibit my breathing and potentially damage my health by covering my face.” This is despite museums & galleries NOT being in the list of places where face coverings are mandated. Tate galleries also seem to be moving in that direction; since I have a membership with them my message to them will be longer and stronger.
Afraid you’ll infect the paintings, are they?
Bottled going to the supermarkets today but am pleased to say Booze Buster was chocka with not a mask in sight
I was nervous but just went for it. Waved lanyard and not one bit of agro. Felt so good and spoke to two who asked where I got it, complete sceptics and really refreshing conversations
It feels good. I knew most of the people around here wouldn’t tolerate it
Some on here unfortunately will tell you that wearing a lanyard makes you part of the problem. Apparently the only authentic resistance is brazening it out. I don’t want to wear a mask and I am entitled to claim an exemption. I don’t need the stress of my occasional trip to Sainsbury’s ending in being abused on social media. If that makes me some sort of collaborator in the eyes of some hardline sceptics, so be it. This is a tight knit community and I have to live in it!
Personally, I feel it is of the upmost importance that we do not wear the mask. For those who choose to wear a lanyard, fine and for those who choose to simply say that they are not going to wear a mask, also fine. I just think being mask/muzzle free is key here; either path one chooses.
Is tight knit a euphemism for intolerant and conformist?
“I was nervous”.. what were you going to do? Rob the place or buy a loaf and some milk?
I’ve been there- we all have – the walk across a car park with nerves and tunnel vision as you – go into a shop – ffs and all the other **&€£%/$# rest!
This “I was made to feel nervous” is, for me, up there just under the the policies of manslaughter and abuse enabling. This needless humiliation, the oppression that stops us living peacefully. That mental assault that changes our routines and keeps us away from shops we would freely otherwise go to
Biker has it right of course to not care and carry on. Yes.
But people feeling nervous for the crime of going into a shop is one of the forgivables amongst all this.
It’s feeling good, innit?
Going to the shops tomorrow and mentally rehearsing my response to any abusive comments to my maskless countenance. Not that I expect them mind you but it’s always best to be prepared. I want to let any rude aggressor know exactly how I feel in a pithy, direct way but with courtesy and good manners. So it will be something along these lines:
‘My parents brought me up to be considerate, kind, thoughtful to others and never to use bad language—–which is just as well otherwise I would tell you to piss off!’ (may substitute the F word depending on how far my dander is up).
You are assaulting me. I give you warning that if you do not remove your hand, I will defend myself physically, Thank You (always worth being polite).
They are encouraged to social distance but are not allowed to touch you anyway. Only the police can do that.
“If you think wearing a mask makes a difference, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.”
“Thank you for reminding me of the requirement for wearing a mask but I was already aware of it. The matter has been quite widely publicised lately. The fact that, at this time, I am still not wearing a mask should tell you one of two things, viz.: I have a legitimate medical condition which exempts me from it, or I just have no inclination to subject myself to tyrannical bullshit whether administered by the government or your own good person. Obviously, in my case, it is the former.”
https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/06/11/the-science-and-law-of-refusing-to-wear-masks-texts-and-arguments-in-support-of-civil-disobedience/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Excellent reference.
Good article, thanks!
Neil Oliver’s excellent analysis about how humans have evolved to communicate using their entire face and body and how muzzling presents a problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0u0XFki5g
100% agree. With your comment without seeing the link. It is essential in society to see facial expression. The physcologists who need to be sectioned for not speaking out all know this is true. It wont take long before levels of empathy drop off and people start to look more and more inward.
Exactly. This brings us back to all those years ago when Jack Straw said that the niqab was a barrier to communication and he was right, funny how we’re now returning to this debate but this time with muzzles.
We know its wrong. You can point to all of history and say – look ma’ no masks!
Within the niqab debate was the idea of safety. A concealed identity is more likely to cause crime was said. Now I think its been broadly accepted that the religioys asspects have be assimilated. Because people of any faith tend largely to have respect for others. In general terms this is good even though I have my own misgivings. I do respect other cultures – and expect a reciprocal respect towards me.
But now we are suddenly in a place where some shops are only allowing concealed identities into their businesses. Should I feel sorry for them if they suffer shoplifting? On balance I find the support for the mask such a fundamental breach of decency I somehow have little sympathy for businesses who seem for all the world like turkeys voting for Christmas.
I don’t mean to say they should expect crime and good for the criminals. Somehow my empathy for hard working masked up busniesses is deminished.
We have a culture to protect here.
Burqas, niqabs etc are all designed to turn the wearers into almost invisible unindividualised objects. They are a symbol of women as men’s property.
Hence, face coverings are one of the driving forces behind my passionate refusal to signify that I am under government control.
Yes its a good point and those are part of my misgivings, yet it’s is a cultural phenomenon that people are entitled to just as I am entitled not to partake of any such thing. The sexism inherent is a battle for the culture to resolve.
I wanted to make a distinction between cultural and crime. You’ve rightly added the dehumanising principle which is a reason for my own outrage at these laws.
Makes me wonder what strict Muslim males think about it, Centuries if obliterating their women’s faces and suddenly, it’s their own.
That’s a good point and its funny how banks and post offices are included in the list where they have been exempt for decades now because of security reasons.
Ite funny how that’s gone out of the window now.
Wait till they get robbed.
I came across a comment somewhere along those lines – a spate of robberies will force businesses and banks to lobby the government for a U turn.
Day 2 of back to work:
More dead today than yesterday (less visitors and people going into the shop), had visitors coming in with muzzles but always relieved when we told them that its not necessary when visiting gallery. One old couple were really, really relieved especially as they looked worse for wear.
Gift shop asking if customers had muzzles, one family refused to go in before staff member had a chance to tell them that they could go in if they’re medically exempt.
The gift shop really highlights the sheer irrationality of it: you can sit in a pub or a restaurant and talk and expel this “terrible” thing, but when you got into a shop for at most 5–10 minutes, not wearing a mask is a grave offence!
How naive! You’re looking for logic and sense
I knew I was going wrong somewhere! :p
It is agree and I think that’s why people are staying away from the shops because its insane and makes shopping even more unpleasant than it is.
I’ve been to Sainsbury’s and Waitrose today; both had far fewer shoppers than yesterday at the same time, maybe it’s Friday, or opportunistic shoppers went away…
Do not look for any sense from government edicts on Covid-19. They should be ignored at all times.
This is what is needed, a bit of friendly advice, hopefully this family will tell others you can got to xyz, if you are medically exempt
Good on your gift shop people for offering this advice.
I’m in the visitor services side – the gallery so we’re not covered in the guidance but the gift shop is so people muzzle up.
The staff in the gift shop have been told not to challenge people who are not wearing a muzzle but the vast majority comply and its not like we’re swamped with people.
Hmmmm.
Remember a time when you could go to a busy pub/bar and chat to random people? When you could watch live music? Dance like an idiot? Rub shoulders with sweaty strangers and have random conversations with new people, without a care in the world? How are we supposed to make new friends now?
I remember that RDawg,it seems so long ago,when was it ?,oh yes,February.Oh for time travel to be possible.
The people driving this probably wouldn’t understand what you’re on about
Their loss
All of that will never happen again, sad but true.
Err, yeah, yesterday. But I don’t remember that much due to the beers. Hope to repeat today.
You trying hard enough, Dawg ?
We have clear evidence that the main reason this new coronavirus wasn’t any more significant in its effects than past cold/flu bugs is that we have immune systems that were primed by previous similar infections to deal with it. Wearing masks and other distancing measures makes us collectively less able to deal effectively with future new viruses and bugs.
It turns out that “common sense” would have been a much better guide to behaviour than all the scaremongering nonsense put about by the selected “experts” driving the panic response, who failed to properly take account of this crucial factor and consequently led us into a catastrophic overreaction.
But the Prime Minister and members of the government have no excuse for having allowed themselves to be herded into this monstrous calamity. A mere modicum of common sense and of moral courage would have allowed them to stand against it. And many of their policies have been gratuitously additionally harmful, such as the latest evil nonsense of compulsory mask wearing by law.
“Social distancing” and mask wearing attacks the very thing – regular exposure to endemic viruses – that has protected us from this new disease, and that will protect us from future new diseases. The government’s actions are not just economically, socially and culturally harmful, they are directly counterproductive in terms of dealing with diseases.
Never forget. Never forgive.
Hear hear.
Exactly how I feel. It’s herd mentality instead of of herd immunity
Well said. This is junk science and is doing more harm than good. Its now easy to believe why there are conspiracy theories going about that antisocial distancing and mask wearing are being mandated to weaken the immune system so come winter they can dress up an ordinary flu season as the “second wave”
Agree re not forgiving or forgetting, Mark. But ‘herded’ ?
It is not about a virus.
It is a planned global reset.
Effected by a cleverly executed psy-op.
I do think to defeat/resist/overturn this bollocks we need to start from an accurate viewpoint.
Birmingham Live: ‘Taking the p***’ – Disabled teen subjected to tirade of abuse on train for not wearing face mask.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/taking-p-disabled-teen-subjected-18660405
A lot of people in this country have become absolute bastards,shame on them all,I hope the evil woman that abused the teenager gets her just desserts one day.
Take note Johnson and all you spineless,useless wasters that make up parliament,this is what you have done to us and the nation,you deserve everything bad I hope is coming to you all.
That must have felt like a very long train journey. Poor kid!
and i can see more of that happenings as ignorant self righteous virtue signalling gobshites (to use a word from this woman”s own locality ) decide to take action about perceived breaches. Hope she gets her comeuppance
I wonder if this will feature on BBC? A BAME disabled person being abused for not correctly wearing a mask. What a dilemma it is for the BBC wokeness department
BBC 10 o clock news just featured a succession of randomly selected interviewees all preaching the govt line, could have been N Korea for all the independence of thought.
Kuennsberg doing her remainer, wouldn’t lockdown have been better in January for at least a year act.
Then finally that condescending smug git Sopel telling us how Trump has got everything wrong and has reversed himself on everything he said.
The Daily North Korea is getting visibly worse and more biased by the day.
Sopel is so anti-Trump it’s laughable. I honestly don’t know how he gets away with it, even at the BBC.
True. Completely true. And he looks as mean as a dog as he speaks his zero charm speeches into the homes of the nation. A very unpleasant little man indeed.
Do people who continue to let tv into their living rooms deserve all they get ? Discuss …
I know why.
i think you should have put “randomly” in quotes. Without them readers might actually think the interviewees were selected at random. Most of us know that there is nothing random about the people that BBC show answering questions. We dont know how many interviews were discontinued and deleted if the “correct” comment was not forthcoming.
Sky news are running a small report about Mask compliance on its first day in England. Essentially compliance hangs in the balance – the report says no active policing will happen. A small independent shop saying they will keep people out of their shop who don’t wear a mask, adding they will lose business but it is right to do.
One classic vox pop has a masked shopper say “i think it’s a shame in Britain…[nervous stutter]… that people dont like being dictated too”. Made me wonder if her words were her own, easy to dub if you cannot see mouth.
Brings back memories of BBC Panorama’s Saving Syria’s Children. The programme had a British doctor (daughter of a diplomat) say something in the middle of an emergency response to a chemical attack. She was wearing a mask. It was later proved a word was changed in post production to turn it into a Napalm attack.
https://youtu.be/2wtt4LbWl84 for a very interesting exposé.
‘It’s a shame that people don’t like being dictated to.’
There speaks the very quintessence of sheepleness.
It’s very odd that we’ve fought all these wars and wasted billions of pounds over the last 40 years against dictators like Amin, Gadafi, Hussein, Assad, etc because they dictate to their populations, but we ourselves should be being dictated too by our leaders and should follow everything they say.
People are stupid!
I listened to some of Mike Pompeo’s speech the other day, when he was over here. He was talking about China, and the infringements of civil liberties, punishments of minorities etc. For a while, you could have believed it was UK 2020 he was referring to.
Aargh, no, surely China can’t be as bad as that.
It’s a shame that people don’t like being dictated to.
That is a scarily nonsensical statement!
Yep. I see it as a very unpleasant twisted sexuality.
(Dr John. Ho ho.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cig-lC9LRUs
I suspect it’s a bit early for that!
The wife and I now constantly remark about how different life used to be when we see old clips like that.
I was watching the Stones in 2013 at Hyde Park the other day, and it shows just how much life has changed in a very short time. The obvious things is that the crowd are all in close proximity to each other without a care in the world. But some of the video backdrops they show might be construed as celebrating the differences between the sexes, heaven forbid. People of all skin colours are mixing together as though race doesn’t matter – shocking. But most of all, the band is a bunch of blokes and they don’t feel the need to apologise for that.
Is that the concert during which Mick Jagger made the joke about Boris in a treehouse? He also quoted sonnet 18:
“And summer’s lease hath all too short a date”
I may watch that with a glass of something this evening, what we have lost but will have again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxjIBEZvx0
An observation, and an associated request.
As a mother of two right-leaning sons, I can attest to much verbal abuse at school from many girls and female teachers, including one who actually called my elder son a misogynist in a class where he was the only boy. The conditioning of girls starts early in schools – it tends not to work as well on the boys. It was very apparent during the Brexit debate, Climate Change debate – note the number of women involved with the Extinction Rebellion protests last year, and their Joan of Arc, St Greta. The psych-ops seeks to control the girls/women assuming they will then work on their men. They have worked on women with ‘designer masks’ from the likes of Mrs Cameron. Hell, we even have a woman in one of the papers today calling mask wearing ‘liberating’.
I know not all of the men on here have wives/partners who share our scepticism. It really is going to need you out and about without masks to deter the mask nazis. Women, young and old, are significantly less likely to challenge men who are not wearing a mask than another woman. Older women will be especially unpleasant to teenagers, boys and girls alike. We need your help!
My observation yesterday is that more women than men wore masks and more Working Bloke men were not wearing.
Yes I think there is a gender and class element to this. A lot of working class men think its bollocks…they dont worry about being ostracised at the dinner parties and women sadly seem to accept authoritarianism more readily. Lots of wonderful women on here though thank goodness!! I am middle class but think its all bollocks too which makes me very much an outcast among my peers but stuff them.
Interesting. My wife is sceptical, but in a passive sort of way and possibly partly because she’s had more sceptic propaganda from me than she’s heard otherwise from MSM. She conceded immediately to the mask thing though. Doesn’t much like them, but doesn’t even think twice about wearing them.
My partner was a lockdown supporter at first and we had many rows about it. She accused me ,as usual ,of being a contrarian ,a member of the awkward squad etc. She seems very willing to believe the BBC etc and just does not seem to see propaganda even when its very much in your face. She also believed all the nonsense about Johnson selling the NHS to trump (I wish lol) and that Nissan would leave the UK if we had Brexit (they actually closed the Barcelona plant not the Sunderland one lol). She does not go with the herd on some issues though so there is some hope but her family are very ‘go with the flow’ so its a constant battle. Christmas is always very entertaining haha. Thankfully she is much more sceptical than she was about lockdown but again accepted the mask thing without question. Happy days!
It’s female socialisation too though – women are stuck in compassion against their own interests, as if you look at the social and economic harms (partic around school closures) it hits women and kids harder. It’s very frustrating, but it seems the most affluent women, who are the least affected who seem to think lockdown is all fairy cakes and fuzzy felt and zoom yoga. And yet we’ve also had a quadrupling of domestic violence, child abuse, and a doubling of domestic violence murders. It’s maddening that most women can’t see lockdown is a disaster, because they are so well trained to be ‘kind’.
They are deliberately setting citizens against each other. Pure evil.
If we are so busy fighting each other we will leave them alone!
Not working so far, I had 5 maskless retail encounters on Maskup Friday, had no problems.
This is happening on a massive scale. It is pure, absolute evil.
It’s very depressing that Sainsbury’s feels it has to run an announcement on a loop saying “please be kind to our staff and customers. Not everyone is able to wear a face covering”. I think the aggression is not because they think non mask wearers will actually spread anything but it is a repudiation of their religious beliefs. When a mask wearer sees an unmasked face they feel jealous and their own certainty starts to crumble.
Southwestern Trains had the same announcement and posters. Its depressing that it has come to this.
Better thsn an announcement that free faces will be lynched, which is what Matt the Death snd Fetida Dickhead would prefer.
Matt the Death and Fetida Dickhead should be careful what they wish for as they say, what goes around comes around….
They don’t think anything – they just don’t care.
Observation today – Aldis in Wrexham. Much busier than it’s been for weeks. I wonder if it’s due to an influx of English from across the border seeking a maskless shopping experience? All welcome of course! The more the merrier.
Welcome to Wales one and all!
Aye, come and breathe and make the merry cash tills ring!
Shop at Mogg’s!
Just don’t run for the bus or er, read a paper on the train
And above all, do not SING.
It isn’t as though anybody in Wales thought singing was important, after all.
My experience hearing Welsh choirs tends to support that!
Is that why they banned singing swing low?
No point in running for the bus now as there is no pole at the back to grab hold of! The health and safety brigade got rid of that.
Down south I nipped over the bridge to Chepstow yesterday to get some supplies and to scope it out. I was surprised to see so many mask wearers compared to England on the Thursday. That’s not comparing apples with apples though.
It was great to grab a items from a few different shops without fear of a nappy nazi having a pop.
I really hope the Welsh first minister keeps up his views on civil liberties.
PLEASE share this superb Bill Gates video. Summarises the reality behind this psyop while being very funny! (Remember folks, we may be the last repository of humour left in joyless Britain!)
https://youtu.be/ZQcvuftqXFY
Humanity. Warm Compassion. Patience. Understanding. Communicating. And by being plainly right.
Fear is not a very bright way to fight – where do you have to go for more control but more fear.
Meek is a good way to win. If you look into the orginal meaning of the word. There’s a good deal of strength in our position.
So those who deal with the public more often that not, eg The Plod, don’t have to wear masks because …? How very Nazi or KGB of them.
I live close to a police station, I have not seen anyone at the station wear any form of face covering, at any time since March 2020.
Also I have noticed the emergency ambulance crews who wait for their next call in local supermarket car parks, do not wear face coverings whilst waiting, or when they go into the supermarkets to use facilities.
.most policemen sport those trim little beards which would make a mask useless anyway.
These very same people would be hellish spreaders if the ptemise of deadly plague was actual. Track and trace a policemans daily interactions. Wouldn’t take too long to stall a patch. Then multiply for each policeman/woman. It’s better we ignore it. Because if we don’t we might realise something is up.
Especially for the vice squad with their ‘discounts’ for overlooking non compliance with the law!
No masks. Be you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBUPj0p4vPQ
Just what we are suffering a load of pooh.
I’ve been lurking for weeks. First post.
Went into town today. Did some shopping in M&S. I was wearing a bandana pulled up over my mouth. It fell down all the time but nobody seemed bothered. They had nobody checking muzzles or anything like that.
It does seem a bit strange though looking around seeing everyone in their masks. Quite surreal. Like somethings gone wrong with the matrix. I’m waiting for Neo to materialize.
Can someone please tell me that this is only a joke?
“Gloves may be the next step after masks in the battle against coronavirus.
People in England must wear masks in shops and banks, but a Lords debate raises the question of whether gloves are useful against Covid-19”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/gloves-may-next-step-masks-battle-against-covid-19-infection/
Wearing gloves can F£$k off! I read that piece in the Torygiraffe, I genuinely believe it’s more nonsense scaremongering. In my job, my colleagues and I do genuinely need to wear disposable gloves, but only ever to carry out the task in hand, as soon as that is done, throw em away and wash hands. Even after ten minutes – hands are unbearably sweaty – it’s horrible. To wear them for any longer – unimaginable. It’s always confused me – the glove wearing phenomenon throughout this rubbish, how on earth does it help in any way at all, with anything? Utter Bollocks!
Try those gloves with nails. Even the slightest nail has the fingers going through. Plus who’s got money for gloves? It’s not happening. The story might be a plant to allow behaviour studies. Sound crazy? Well think about what the story actually is about!
Standing back from this, I do genuinely believe that all of this is a test (in those weird early days) – for me, the first fortnight or so, when fear seemed to be prevalent, I couldn’t get the feeling out of my head that this is some kind of stress test. Even in the very beginning, queuing outside my local Tesco metro, I felt like a lab rat. I think we are being pushed and tested and the results, our behaviours are being constantly monitored. I – okay maybe very naively – believe we have the power here – just don’t do it. If your circumstances / situation require a lanyard or other exemption fine…..but just do not comply, just ignore it all.
I can almost see the PHDs Doctorates and all else rifling through every facet of these times. The effect of the studies alone separated from the causations will change any normal normal we get back to. These is a learning dream which academia will feed off for decades and more.
It’s not organic, you coukd feel it in those early days. In your bones this wasn’t what the sell was. On all fronts – the streets were not up for the Eyam plague. The desperate sell of the media indicated they needed us to believe and had no need for us to understand. The political theatre, well!
Only then did a few serious people’s comments get out and soon the ordinaries person’s experiential knowledge was invariably explained by deep thinking gems of the world with open minds to critically reason to a stronger truth.
How will those PHDs and reseach fellows turn away from learning the ovbious lessons sceptics have being alert to from those first few weeks?
I feel that this – and I am being a bit brave here – but here I go, the HOAX – will be discussed and discussed and discussed (well unless the only woke degree you can do in the future is ‘Golf Studies’ [was a real course in Loughborugh University back in the early 2000s – couldn’t make it up]. This has been coming a long time – Agenda 21 seems pretty pathetic in its infancy – Cardiff is comical – ridiculous and comical yellow (albeit permanent) markings on the ground – the bullshit 2 metre (anti) social distancing – one way markings. Everyone cheerfully ignoring it for now and, sadly, I say for now….
Notice how the “I wear a mask to save You” crowd cheerfully ignore Pedestrian one way signs whenever they are inconvenienced ?
Scot public transport are moving to one metre. At tge same time as 40% of passengers on some routes are not wearing masks. The answer? Scot rail do a publucity stunt by putting a giant mask on a train.
All factual, anyone can smiply search, the giant mask is a clinical style. I mention that because we have been deliberatedly told not to wear clinical masks.
So! The future studies of tgese days will be a sifting of lunacy yet it will be on message and revealing the simply revealed truths will need to be unlearned.
With researchs looking out the truth of the matter how can that happen?
Nothing would surprise me anymore.
I wish I could tell you yes. Facemasks is a joke. Here we are.
Sudden outbreaks of dermatitis among Sceptics?
Infamy, infamy… Just read an article on the backlog of around 50,000 cancer patients waiting for surgery in Germany. An oncologist comments that: ‘We are seeing more advanced tumors than before the pandemic’. And for those who are a bit slower on the uptake he adds: ‘Because of Corona the tumors have had more time to grow’.
He concludes that ‘…it’s certainly possible that in Germany more people will die indirectly as a result of the Corona measures (i.e. ‘lockdown’) than from the virus itself’.
Read it and weep (if you want to practice your German):
https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/ratgeber/50-000-krebs-ops-verschoben-mediziner-warnt-vor-fatalen-konsequenzen_id_12241754.html
Thank you.
Sofar I only saw stories about the expected 35000 excess cancer deaths in the UK in the German media.
They are so full of themselves with regard to their handling of the pandemic, that such uncomfortable stories could have an impact.
Just saw this on Dick Delingpole’s twitter:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1286349473413771265
I salute this gentleman.
John Waters, apparently. Very good indeed ..
FFS
There’s loads of this ‘balanced’ report. My guess is they’re after a licence fee reprieve.
“The BBC’s anti-disinformation team has been investigating false and misleading claims about the health risks of face masks and coverings being shared on social media.
Claim: Masks deprive your body of oxygen
Verdict: False claim“
How did the achieve their desired result?
Sounds like they’re setting up a load of straw men. I think I’ve noticed that before: set up nine straw men and knock them down, leaving just one they can’t. They can then argue “90% of all arguments against wearing masks are shown to be false. Therefore, masks are good.” Whereas in fact, you just need one, solitary, argument against masks in order to justify not wearing them.
BBC’s very own Snopes.
Spoke at length on Friday to a work colleague about the current situation, where we started in March and where we are now at the end of July.
For an extended period of time we had a sensible adult conversation about cv19, the numbers, what the ordinary numbers would look like, why masks have been introduced now etc. etc.
After all that she said I know someone who is making masks if you want some cheap.
Cheesus wept. People have been brain washed.
Sounds like a good business to be in since they don’t have any regulations to meet!
Just got in from the alehouse about an hour ago. Couple of masked morons came in, ordered their drinks, then took them outside. (My local does not seem to be abiding by the silliness, in spite of my expectation that they would.) Anyway, later on in the evening, the barmaid went outside to collect glasses, and came back with disguarded masks that these pair had been breathing into for fuck knows how long and put them on the bar along with the glasses. I thought the masked morons constantly fiddling with their masks in shops was disgusting enough, but that truly was vile. To my mind, it just reinforces my opinion that people have not obeyed these measures to ‘save others’, but to save their own sorry arses! Otherwise, these people would have considerately observed proper infection controls and disposed of their masks properly in the first place, instead of leaving their filthy rags to infect someone else. Arsewipes!!!
NOBODY does it for anybody else’s sake. But the pretence of doing so allows them to abuse the free-faced with what I would call a clear conscience, if I thought zombies had a conscience.
Whether its to save themselves from the virus or to virtue signal (in the case of the young) its still ultimately for themselves. Bullshitters.
A very telling observation. Yes, the discarded mask is a truly disgusting thing.
Sky news
Yougov poll.
Will you have a covid19 (yes covid not corona) vaccine should one become available?
15% no ever
15% maybe not sure
70% yes certainly
Sky quoted ‘scientists’ say 70% of tge population will need a vaccine in order for it to work. Strange since they don’t yet have a vaccine to know how it will work. Sky ended by saying a lot of “convincing” will need to be done.
So if they need 70% of the population to be vaccinated and 70% of people say they will take the vaccine we are ok then?
That was the gist of the report… but despite the number reflecting 30% would be fine with no vaccine they made it clear a large campaign is coming to convert the 30%. To me this sounded as though the stated 70% of people are not in the bank. Perhaps tgey fear some of the 70% may convert the other way when they realise tge vaccine will not be correctly (reasonably) tested.
It’s just a poll!
And how many were virtue-signallers giving the ‘easy’ answer? And how carefully selected were the people giving answers? And how neutral was the question asked?
They always have a play off words with these ‘required’ percentages that will need to be vaccinated to be ‘effective’.
Either the vaccine works (protect the vaccinated person) or it doesn’t protect the person. The people without vaccinations depend on their immune systems to fight the virus should they get infected.
In March and early April, I would have been among the 70% and considered (autism) anti-vaxxers ‘nuts’.
After the handling of the issues by governments, ‘science’, media&co and the defamation, ignorance and censoring of any criticism rather than engaging with it constructively, and after having learned more about the risks of those particular vaccines, I am now completely opposed to mandatory vaccinations and firmly in the: ‘Definetley not now, maybe in 10 years’ camp.
In March I would have wrapped a t’shirt over my face if they’d told me it would save me from the Covid
Maybe the whistleblower from the CDC who confirmed MMR does seem to increase autism rates will tip you all the way over to the darkside, Jay ?
His name was Thompson, I think. Might be getting hard to find on the web now, of course.
Well let these fools have the vaccine and then hopefully we will still have the ability to sit back and watch as they become infertile, develop wierd cancers, neurological problems, birth defects and need to be admitted to ICU when they catch a common cold. See how keen they are then on the vaccine.
First person fined in Scotland for refusing to wear a face covering – in a Jedburgh shop
The first person has been fined for not wearing a face covering in Scotland.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/first-person-fined-scotland-refusing-wear-face-covering-jedburgh-shop-2923211
I’m unable to read beyond the sub. The fine is £60 but keep in mind tgat Children as young as 6 (six) are required by law so that equates to a lot of pocket money.
I don’t think under 18s can be fined, the Police found that out the hard way at the start of lockdown.
I think you are morally right. But technically I have no reason to think we are not all subject to the fine. Certainly no message has reached me.
Didn’t they have to unfine teenagers who fell foul of lockdown regs ?
No idea
Yes, that’s what I remember too.
In England, the Face Covering law says you have to be over 18:
Thanks Edna !
And now it’s gloves on the list. Has Boris got a death wish for the Tories, because I am rapidly running out of tolerance and charity?
For those who don’t wish to muzzle their mouths on government order but don’t wish to provoke confrontation may I suggest the mask under the chin gambit. Worked for me today and may encourage others not to mask their faces.
Mmm not sure I understand what you are saying. If you say you are exempt there should not be any confrontation. We either stand up for our ‘rights’ or follow instructions.
OKUK suggestion might work for those who know it’s bollocks but lack the confidence to say so.
Was in Keswick today (Friday), for my last Lakes walk before the August hordes descend. After my very enjoyable walk, I wandered through Keswick and looked into whatever shops I could see into from outside.
Very depressing, fellow sceptics, very depressing. *Everybody* was wearing a mask that I saw. Very few on the streets did not have a mask, though the majority of wearers did not have them pulled up when outside.
But in general the density of people outside was far higher than inside any of the shops I looked into, so perhaps people are staying outside.
On the bright side, one family group was clearly contemptuous of the mask policy, had a bit of a natter with them as we were headed the same direction. Gave me some hope there was still some resistance.
I’m in Chester today, with A4 notepad and pencil, noting what the city centre shopping scene is like with the mask policy in place. If anyone is around (I expect to be there late morning to early afternoon), I’ll be the maskless one. Hopefully I’ll be hard to find with so little information, but I suspect not.
Keswick is where I reside, normally. But I’ve been in the Auld Sod for the past five months but it is likely I’ll be back next week. How will I ever buy my comestibles? You paint a bleak picture for me.
Sorry Ned, but it was what I saw. Now how many of those people were locals and how many visitors, obviously I have no idea. And because I wasn’t shopping, also have no idea how zealous shop staff are over the masks.
But it does mean I won’t be spending money or time in Keswick from now on. In, do walk, go home.
I did learn while I’ve been away that a self appointed “response” group put signs up on every road into the town saying “Keswick is Closed” – very friendly I thought! I suppose they must be gone now?
I’ve been to Keswick three times in the past two months and haven’t noticed them, so may have been when the travel restrictions were first eased. I seem to remember the Mayor of Keswick complaining about all the cars parked, obviously belonging to outsiders, blah, blah.
I was told last week that the ‘Closed’ signs were only up for 24 hours.
I was also told that there’s a disconnect between aged Keswickians who don’t live off the tourist dollar, and resent the influx, and the younger working population who make their living from tourism.
The Royal Oak and Morrels, at least, were civilised and like old times.
The Royal Oak are still doing breakfasts, which was good to see!
Keswick’s local paper “The Keswick Reminder” has a website which is where I gleaned my information about the “Keswick is Closed” sign. It was removed under cover of night by some one apparently at one point and then put back up again. The town council discussed its ‘legitimacy’ which caused some demurring – but also some approval.
Writing the above has prompted me to look at the Reminder website. It carries a photo of the recently revamped doctor’s surgery I attend. Three member of staff occupy the waiting room’s new seats – suitably distanced – but none wearing masks!
Similarly the staff who work at the Derwentwater independent hostel which has recently re-opened are featured – none wearing a mask (and none too socially distanced it must be said!)
And both articles mention Covid!
It suggests to me there is a disposition to live normally where it hasn’t been prohibited.
People should remember that and starve them of all tourism.
I was in Chester on Tuesday. Down by the river, you could be forgiven for thinking it was just a typical day in the summer holidays, busy with families enjoying themselves. But the shopping centre was a different story. It was like a ghost town. Shops were dead. Some literally, having closed down since I was last there. I don’t bother going in ones requiring you to sanitise your hands first, just shot the sanitizer police a dirty look and hoped that was self-explanatory. Can’t imagine mandatory masks are going to improve the situation. Shopping has become such a joyless experience. It will be a very long time before I go out browsing around the shops again. What a pointless, totally avoidable shame. It’s criminal what the government have done.
yep
It is but some very PC businesses seem to welcome it even if it means they close down…you really cannot help some people. Entrepreneurship is becoming woke and therefore broke. I wonder what Hayek and Friedman would have made of it?
What is strange in all this – looking at it from abroad now as I am, and not feeling so caught up in it or dragged down by it – is that the government have chosen to put up “facemask exempt” notices on their website, ready for anyone to download and print off. Now this really is a farce! If nothing else, it proves that their facemask regulation is very little to do with health and absolutely more of a psyop in getting people back out from behind their sofas or giving them something else to think about. Are they becoming desperate? Boris seems to keep begging people to ignore the virus and carry on with life now, get back to work, yet to me the best way to ignore the virus and carry on, would be to remove all signs of the Covid measures completely. Floor markings, face masks, screens etc. Until those go away, people won’t forget. It will still be in the forefront of their minds and they will still be fretting over it. What you fix your mind on, increases.
From talking to people over here in Greece, we are all beginning to think that the reason behind this is the Great Reset financially worldwide. So much money is being pumped into the systems from the ground up (Rishi Sunak found billions from somewhere, and the EU is doing likewise) whilst the populations are looking the other way and talking about face masks. The virus exists, but it is nowhere near as bad as it is made out to be. We know that on here. It is a vast overreaction worldwide for a reason. Somebody on here posted the Financial Reset theory a while back and it does make sense.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/903454/Exemption_from_face_covering_card_to_print.pdf
Just to get us worrying about who is or isn’t wearing a mask and whether that person really is exempt, to distract us with inanity from what might really be going on just while they are off on holiday and so not in the spotlight.
At the beginning of the lockdown I took a delivery from a courier. The driver assured me, in a strong Eastern European accent, that he was really an economist. He said, “The banks need a crisis…” (As you can tell, I only listen to the most reliable sources).
More reliable than the pink and orange winged men the government listens to while smoking unusual substances but not inhaling.
Probably true. Many East Europeans in the UK are graduates or post grads.
I said a few times The Corona Project is a global reset. This is the main driver for it. Deflating the bubble, targeted QE, re-financing the banks by allowing them to scoop up hard assets and destroying national GDP.
We are a minority. All other minorities have rights.
It is illegal to attack or harass minorities.
Some minorities are more equal than others though.Try being a non left liberal in a school!
One thing I did notice yesterday was that most folk wore the disposable blue (useless) masks. Are they all disposing of these masks after use correctly? Breach of the Health and Safety Law if not. This utter stupidity is causing millions of potential biohazard risks to council refuse collectors, landfill workers and, of course, other healthy people.
From what I’ve seen, these “one use” masks are stuffed in a pocket and used over and over again. It won’t be long until there are reports of people breaking out with poxy spots all over their chins due to the filth on them.
At least it will mark them out as wearers:o))
Fingers crossed, tho don’t be surprised if ‘chin spots’ pops up as another symptom of covid and thus it’s lucky all these spotty chinned people had masks on.
Biohazard. I’m taking car registrations or any distinguishing marks from people who do that where I can see today. All to be reported. Just another way of fighting back. Might start filming it too.
That’s right, you become a grass too.
That’ll help
Under ordinary circumstances I’d agree with you John, and AngloWelsh above. But fuck them, they’re the enemy.
Indeed. Perhaps we should give them no quarter as they have given us none.
Isn’t that just the same mindset that has had people throughout lockdown photographing their neighbours going out for a second run or having a relative round at their house?
“I wear mine to protect others”
*chucks discarded germ rag into path of oncoming grandma*
Exactly! It’s cognitive dissonance all round – all hail the NHS (but you can’t use it), and protect the environment (by hoying masks on the floor, the return of single use plastic, and the death of public transport).
Did anybody shame theys driver ?
My husband is an HGV driver taking domestic waste to incinerators working for a waste management company. He’s worked throughout and they have been issued no additional PPE over and above their normal boots, hi vis and heavy duty gloves. They handle waste from a city with a large BAME community that is currently a Covid hotspot. Despite this not one person has contracted covid. While not denying masks are a potential hazard I would also suggest the virus is a) not particularly contagious (especially) outside confined spaces b) not strongly present in the community.
Oh I quite agree with you. If we accept that there was a virus (not everybody does, and they may well be correct), it is gone now, except perhaps from some hospitals and care homes. But I will still be pointing to the masked, that their used facemasks ARE bio-hazardous waste and must be disposed of accordingly.
More to make them think, rather than us :o))
Good point, well made. The fact is they believe the masks are catching the virus so why are they strewing them about in public?!
Exactly. :o))
It’s the same kind of people who eat a McDonalds and then throw the bag and their cup out the car window, or who have a pic-nik and leave all their food wrappers in the park or on the beach and leave.. Utter Charlies!
Well if there is still a virus lurking around, it’s certainly not in the bodies of those people who come on holiday to the Greek islands. We are testing visitors from the U.K. on their arrival at island airports, and out of 5000 people tested, not one showed positive for Covid. Zero. I think since those statistics were released, there may have been one case in Corfu but I’m not sure. So the theory that the virus is now just in care homes and certain BAME hotspots makes sense. So why are the general population still having to social distance, wear stupid masks, stay off work, remain on furlough etc etc?
I know people who have admitted that they don’t wash their cloth masks – they wear then in public transport then shove them in their bags or pockets when they don’t need them. If anything cloth muzzles are far worse because its not only the bacteria that has accumulated in them but also the bobbles and fibres that they end up breathing in.
Disgusting isn’t it?
If you wanted to think of a better way of ensuring you are breathing a constant mix of incubated bacteria and pathogens, you would be hard pressed to do so. There is no better way to do this than wearing a facemask.
Posted above but in reference to the cloth masks:
https://journals.viamedica.pl/cardiology_journal/article/view/CJ.a2020.0054/50906
I think this suggests most wearers no perfectly well the masks are pointless. If they actually thought they were themselves a vector of infection they would not behave so casually. What many don’t realise is that while most masks won’t have trapped Covid they may well have trapped in them streptococcus, E. coli and other nasty germs.
The Irish Independent (paywall so no link) reports that a pub worker in Dublin is suing her employer after falling down stairs at work as the visor her employer told her to wear made it difficult to see.
Hope she gets huge compensation.
We are living through the decline and fall of Britain. All empires fall in the end. The fall cannot be paused or halted. This is my last post
You lot are always leaving dramatic declarations of imminent retirement from this board only to reappear a couple of days later.
More comebacks than Frank Sinatra.
fuck off mate no one likes you
Or Tina Turner
Ta ra.
Have they put you in the slammer?
An unmasked man tried to stop a mugger yesterday but unfortunately the suspect ran into a nearby supermarket. Customer services phoned the police but the suspect could not be identified on shop camera footage. The police and shop staff thanked the man for his efforts. The man decided to do some shopping “Don’t forget your mask!!!! you are breaking the law”
Some good comments at the end as well:
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/1313685/coronavirus-crisis-measures-UK-boris-johnson-latest
I see people comparing mask wearing to wearing a seat belt.
This could be a more valid comparison if seatbelts were only compulsory at certain speeds or driving in certain areas.
And if the evidence they stopped you flying through the windscreen in event of a crash was weak or non existent
And uf you had to wear thrm in cities but not tiwns, A roads but not B roads.
Seatbelts must be to stop you flying into other people after exiting via the windscreen. My seatbelt protects you, your seatbelt protects me.
The most dangerous thing for a car driver is the unbelted passenger behind.
Oh joy, the waitresses in my usual cafe have abandoned their muzzled today.
Is that an England day two event or a Scotland day 14 or whatever?
How long did the waitresses stick it out for?
Good to get an idea of how long patience lasts.
This is a CRUCIAL factor.
Second day of takeaway customers ignoring mask edict was probably the final straw.
England from when cafes reopened July 4th.
Or if seatbelts were not made and tested to strict criteria, and you could just make your own…
It’s a perfectly valid comparison. The idea, which has become institutionalised, that you’re a criminal if you don’t wear a seatbelt or a motorcycle helmet is in itself a basic assault on freedom. The safety benefits may be proven, but if we want to be unsafe, bearing in mind be pose a risk to no one but ourselves, that is our prerogative and not for the government to interfere with.
See J. S Mill: “The only purpose for which power can rightfully be exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.”
“ a basic assault on freedom”
Nonsense. It’s a balanced measure where the harm is far less than the benefit in a public realm. It isn’t a constraint except for restless spoiled children. ‘Freedom’ never was unconstrained in any society deserving of the name.
This current situation is far different, even if the fake arguments might mimic the rationality of the use of seat belts. Democracy has always required a balancing of demands between the individual and the crowd – that’s it’s very essence of a concept where the unconstrained dominance of either results in totalitarianism.
“It’s a balanced measure where the harm is far less than the benefit in a public realm. It isn’t a constraint except for restless spoiled children. ‘Freedom’ never was unconstrained in any society deserving of the name.”
Now you are revealing your own inner totalitarian.
How is it “balanced”? What benefit do you give to an individual to counteract the cost of restricting his basic liberty (and worse, establishing structures and principles that will be used to further restrict his freedom)?
Reduction to a personal risk that they have already chosen to run for the precise benefit you are now taking away? Inherently absurd.
Some supposed trivial reduction in collectivised healthcare costs? Of course, it was never explained when such collectivisation was brought in that it would mean the end of any liberty to choose what personal risks to run.
What arrogance! To airily assume the right to dictate to others what their liberties are worth!
There’s no honest comparison with wearing a seatbelt, because the two justifications (rationalisations, actually) are apples and oranges.
The mask law is rationalised based upon the pretence that wearing a mask “saves [other people’s] lives”. There is, of course, no evidence for this, but it is what people tend o believe based mostly upon the propaganda to which they are regularly exposed. Thus, it’s more similar, ethically, to drink driving laws, except with no evidence base to support it.
The seatbelt law is simple safety/health tyranny – it’s based upon using the law to force people to protect their own lives against a risk they would otherwise choose to run for themselves. The dishonest or deluded use an additional, spurious rationalisation that claims that because we have collectivised healthcare people supposedly shouldn’t be allowed to run such risks any more (because “everyone” pays for the healthcare costs”), but that is transparently dishonest because it is not applied remotely consistently, only where the person arguing for legal coercion wants to see such coercion applied. The people who use that argument, such as commenter “Boney Knee” here, are just dishonest on the issue, unless they are simply too stupid to understand their own argument..
So the comparison with seatbelt laws is not true, in ethical terms. It is used either in ignorance, or with intentional dishonesty. The motivation for using it dishonestly seems to be twofold: first, because a lot of unsophisticated people have fallen for the lie previously mentioned that seatbelt laws are a morally legitimate public protection measure, and secondly because it makes the wearing of masks seem to be an inevitability that only dinosaurs and the awkward squad are resisting and they of course are doomed to lose in the end.
You could argue that the best way to save other people’s lives when driving would be not to drive at all. That should be especially applied to my father in law!
Of course. Life necessarily involves risks, and the issue can never be how to eliminate all risks, but only how to manage risks by balancing effectiveness versus hazard.
A society like ours, that becomes over-fearful (cultural cowardice, basically) becomes ineffectual.
Indeed. I’m a horsewoman and my husband rides a motorbike (I’m
Learning) and the inability of other riders to judge risk has dumbfounded me. I do endurance which involves cross country riding over Long distances often at speed. All events remain cancelled because riders have told our governing body they are afraid of covid 19. We ride 700kg of unpredictable horseflesh at high speed over uneven ground in an activity known to result in deaths and serious injury yet we are worried about a virus that has caused virtually no deaths in our demographic (fit, largely female, under 60, white).
Mental. I have noticed that gliding, hang-gliding, paragliding,wing-walking, scuba diving, mountain climbing, bicycle racing, motorbike racing, and base jumping activities have been seriously curtailed for fear of spreading the Rona too.
When you participate in sky diving the most important thing is that you socially distance yourself from other skydivers….even though you are 10,000 feet in the air!
I think it is about fear of the unknown. We think we are better able to judge risk doing things that we regularly do, and put to the back of our minds how dangerous equestrian sports can be. After all, we probably all know of someone killed or badly injured jumping and being kicked and bitten can also cause serious injury, but because we love horses that doesn’t stop us from wanting to ride or to handle them because the majority of our horsey encounters are very very positive. However fear of unknown viruses is far less easy for people to deal with. It is a cognitive dissonance, but I can understand how it occurs given the human brain.
What I am trying to say is that it is pointless expecting people to be logical when fear is a driving factor. It is pointless expecting the majority to be logical in any circumstances. Our brains are not wired for it.
Absolutely agree AngloWelshDragon. I keep horses, and it is far more dangerous handling and riding half a ton of living breathing horse that quite rightly has a mind of its’ own. I believe it is considered by insurance companies to be a high risk activity. So like you I am well used to weighing up risk versus living! I used to event in my younger days but decided that at my age, my bones break far too easily now, so I stick to more gentle types of riding and handling. But I would never give up my horses “just in case” I may have an accident. That’s not living, that’s just existing. The virus pales into insignificance compared to other things I willingly do in my life.
You are absolutely right that the assessment of risk is essential in any situation.
My son and myself were talking about the teaching of mathematics the other day, and were totally agreed that key areas like estimation and the nature of probability (I don’t mean in a highly technical sense) are neglected for mickey-mouse computational exercises.
To ‘follow the science” in essence means to assess the evidence in terms of probabilities and risk. Rational enquiry.
We see this lack of risk awareness critically in this situation, where people are conned into thinking (a) that a disappearing mild infection is a major threat and (b) that wearing a mask has a significant probability, in this situation, of having any significant real-world effect.
But then we come to other aspects of this situation, where a psychological war has been actively waged to use fear as a means of distorting rational assessment (assuming it exists) for political ends.The victims have been deliberately targeted by studied distortion aimed at amplifying their lack of knowledge.
There is no way for people to learn how to assess risk if they never expose themselves to risk. It’s a slippery slope and we’re already halfway down.
I am a maths tutor and I find that people are incapable of quantifying risks. Indeed their understanding of the idea of mathematical probability is non existent. It all helps to explain why they are easy prey to the fear mongers.
This objective has been partially met with a high degree of compliance. The roads are still relatively quiet. No more commuters, no more schools runs, much less traffic in towns. Just wait until they ban internal combustion engines.
Only people with huge amounts of cash will be able to drive and service the lease on the vehicles battery.
John Adams has great data about the impact of wearing seat belts on road deaths. Declining curves plateau once they are introduced. So wearing selt belts does not appear to cause futher decline in deaths. in fact in some cases it appears to keep deaths at a certain level.
The reason is due to our perception of risk and the way we adjust behaviour to suit. The mask thing is pertinent. The more you touch it the less effective (if effective at all) it becomes. Very quickly you have a bug rag on your face. A face nappy.
But try telling someone that it’s better to take it off once this happens and most won’t, because they associate the risk with not wearing it.
Local effects versus systematic effects. The same goes for theorists and modelling.
Helen Whately, the Care Minister, said that the Government will be “encouraging” people to wear a mask but they were “not expecting the police to be called every time someone isn’t wearing a face mask, that would be inappropriate”.
Why inappropriate? I thought that non-mask wearers were effectively killing people? Why wouldn’t you phone the phone for that? If the police won’t say that this law is unenforceable, then they should be expected to enforce it. And if that means the public making hundreds of thousands of 999 calls every day, swamping the system, then so be it.
I think the government is trying to be all things to all people. “Wear a mask or be fined! But if you don’t want to don’t. But then again it might save lives. But maybe not. It’s important that healthy people cover up. But the most vulnerable – who we locked up for 12 weeks – are exempt”. It’s a total unscientific, focus group driven, dogs breakfast.
My dog wouldn’t go near it.
Nor my 4!
That had not occurred to me, the very same ‘vulnerable’ people who self isolated for three months are the most likely to claim exemption from masks, if they dare.
The irony hasn’t escaped me. I don’t consider myself vulnerable and I’m pretty fit but I do have hyperthyroidism and that makes my heart beat very fast and I have a very high demand for oxygen when my meds are out of kilter or if I get stressed. As my last two blood tests and consultant appointments were cancelled due to covid that is starting to happen again and I’m starting to get a bit of hand tremor. On the down side heading into thyrotoxicosis territory again but on the upside legit reason not mask up.
If anybody dares to ‘shame’ you, show ’em the disability discrimination bit that imposes fines of up to £9000 for harassment.
If they dare indeed. I met my local propaganda delivery man yesterday, he is elderly and had told me a while ago that he has respiratory issues. I asked him why he was wearing a mask (he had it on his chin), he said the shop where he collects the papers wouldn
t let him in without one. I explained that he can claim exemption with his condition. He looked very pleased. I wonder if people dont know that they can be exempt?Somebody posted this on Twitter. I’ve only had a quick skim through it but seems to suggest little risk of passing it on after 6 days. Some other interesting stuff in there too:
Duration of Isolation and Precautions for Adults with COVID-19
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html
A large contact tracing study demonstrated that high-risk household and hospital contacts did not develop infection if their exposure to a case patient started 6 days or more after the case patient’s illness onset (Cheng et al., 2020).
Interesting read. I also looked at their advice on masks and read through their supporting articles. Lots of ‘potentially could’, ‘perhaps reduce’ etc. They have clearly cherry picked the most supportive pieces as there are many that do not support mask wearing such as this one:
https://journals.viamedica.pl/cardiology_journal/article/view/CJ.a2020.0054/50906
Cloth masks are an absolute health hazard.
Saw a waitress yesterday, adjust her mask at the mouth area with her free hand. She then used that hand to pass the plate. Not blaming the poor girl, she was just doing her job.
Tescos Ealing yesterday. Masked queue supervisor fiddles with own mask then hands out masks to customers without mask before letting them in. Thus creating transmission route which did not exist before. This will be happening all over the country.
Stop, you’re thinking logically, that’s not allowed in 2020!
It won’t make much difference right now as there’s not a lot of virus to transmit. If there’s a resurgence in winter it may become an issue though. By then the improper use of masks will become second nature.
Agreed – I posted this on one of my local web forums earlier
“Question for the mask enthusiasts.
When can we stop wearing them? Given that both the rates of new cases and deaths have tailed off in recent weeks, there is no current reason to wear them. The danger is that if there is an increase in the Autumn, there may be “mask fatigue” by then.
I am in favour of targeted interventions such as distancing, hygiene and possibly mask use where and when justified, but right now, given that mask use, even if beneficial has only marginal effect it seems we are using a tool that should be saved for a more urgent time.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/“
Compulsory mask wearing has little to do with anything apart from being an integral part of the psy-op. Total mind fuckery.
It’s clear that a rise of infection in the autumn winter will be the engineered story.
This is obvious from the ‘Second Wave’ being touted as a certainty rather than one possible outcome. We also, of course have another unsupported idea that Lock-Ups and masks make a difference. Not to mention the need to flog vaccines.
“Follow the Science”? Of course not. Follow the pre-determined propaganda narrative.
Watch out for a pretty ordinary ‘flu epidemic being touted again as Armageddon.
The Black Shorts have played with their toys and like the look of them : more for Christmas?
Well tried to be compliant. Put mask on outside Tesco in view of girl at door, strap promptly broke, showed her the broken strap and went in. 100% masks with customers but 50% staff maskless. Joined queue at checkout and joked to (masked) woman in front about the useless masks and she kindly let me go in front of her. Don’t expect that trick to work next time. Not an enjoyable shop.
Why did you try to be compliant?
‘tried to be compliant’? what on earth for? Just relax.
Hold up didn’t Tescos say they wouldn’t be enforcing this?
I said “letting them in” perhaps implying he might not have let them in. Badly worded – they may well have been not enforcing, just handing out masks. I’ll pop along this morning to see how they react to an exemption claim.
well, apart from the fact that there is no virus to start with so nothing really to transmit.
Breakfast in Spanish hotel. Buffet is behind glass screens and served to you by waiters-aptly named because whatever you queue for involves a long wait! All Spanish are well masked up. No problem with saying we are exempt.
Virus does not attack the fresh orange juice machine, nor the coffee or toast machines. You are completely safe by the cereal dispensers and the jams, spreads etc but it is extremely dangerous by the fruit, hot breakfasts and breads. There is a one way system around a large central island which gives you your morning exercise as it’s always a long walk back to your table!
I would say the hotel is only a quarter full and with these measures in place is unlikely to get any fuller this summer.
If they don’t get substantially fuller – and pretty quickly at that – it is hard to see how they can keep going!
Are you enjoying Jail España?
It’s fine for us thanks Annie (as long as we don’t get one that is) We lived here for a long time and have friends here so are used to the ways of the Spanish-but it does take so much of the joy out of being on holiday.
Whilst the incompetent cretins running the UK shit show are bad enough the Spanish are in a competition to see how much self destructive stupidity they can get away with…
Costa del Sol are proudly the first to mandate face nappies for exercising like running along the beach, some areas that includes cycling along the boardwalk.
Currently no genuine evidence that the cough spreads out in the open air (30C and plenty of strong UV ‘del sol’) or that masks do anything other than make people look stupid while not being able to breath properly.
Their ‘cases’ are rising in line with increased testing but their daily death rate is stubbornly flat-lined down near fuck all – what could that mean????
Sounds like you are further north…
that sounds hideous – “please sir may i have some more bangers?!” or “hey Miguel mate fling us another chipola por favore”
Not exactly the relaxing holiday experience IMHO but try and enjoy it!
To quote my husband. He has just coined a term for our present situation called ‘The Chain of Bollocks’. It begins with a Government that doesn’t know what it is doing but trying to avoid the blame. A bunch of Marxists on the Left looking to overthrow democracy. The media looking to sensationalise every statistic (death). Public sector that doesn’t want to go to work. The rest of us totally disenfranchised. Did he miss anything, he asks?
The civil servants refusing to return to work need to be careful. I’ve noticed the country is still ticking over, the streets are still cleaned, waste is being taken away. Do we actually need these people who are staying off work? We do need every penny we can lay our hands on now.
County Hall car park is on a main road into town, everyone can see it remains empty weeks after the rest of us went back to work.
Those not wanting to return to work need to watch their step; there are huge numbers of applicants now for average jobs, from unemployed, desperate highly qualified people; don’t wanna work? we can easily replace you.
If 50% of public sector workers disappeared now life could be a lot better.
I’m fascinated by the emergence of this sort of bollocks as an diversion for a mess entirely owned by a bunch of dim right-wing nutters feeding the demands of big private finance!
You seem to live in a fantasy world where the people driving this – the BBC, big media, social media zealots and senior medical “experts” are all somehow krypto-fascist enablers, when in objective reality these groups are all more or less openly admitted as heavily left-leaning supporters of (in the UK) the Labour and LibDem parties.
Where are these “far right” people and where is a single party with a single objectively “far right” political policy?
I’d like to know, so that I can have someone to vote for again.
Very good point….with a few notable exceptions such as Paul Embery the main opposition has come from the Right including the creator of this sight and key figures such as Peter Hitchens and James Delingpole. I have not seen any left wing equivalents of this site which is why the left who oppose lockdown have had to come on here even though they are probably not keen on its ancestry.
That being the banking sector that is about to be replenishing ‘bucket 3’ of post Financial Crisis bad debt provisions when the inevitable credit event happens in the commercial property sector? Agree there are some dubious big business-related interests behind this fiasco, plus a Big Pharma industry that has totally captured the regulators, but last time I looked, most of the money supporting the virus bandwagon aligns to left-leaning interests. In the UK, who and where are the ‘right wing nutters’?
My husband is a civil servant – HMRC inspector – he’s worked all through – as has the whole of his department. They’ve mostly worked from home where their hours are logged into the system. Many of them, like him, do over their contracted hours.
The self-appointed, censorious, authoritarian block Kapos on every street and in every village naming and shaming on social media.
Plenty of detail to add, but I think he’s covered the basics pretty well.
You missed Climate Activists who see the grounding of the airlines and the collapse of capitalism as good – you know, ‘there were pigeons in the fountain on the high street, nature is healing herself’. Curtain twitching stasi informers feeling emboldened, and having a lovely time, comfortable at last that someone is indulging their dependent personality disorder. Scientists just making stuff up now to protect their reputations and their funding, and pharmaceutical corporate interests, who in the midst of this chaos, who have spotted a whopping opportunity for profiteering, and an NHS who at last gets to take revenge for funding cuts by doing sweet fanny adams for four months, and taking a bow.
And demanding care packages/money off/ free food
Yes lots of that where I live even though they are on full pay for doing very little in many cases.
He missed the toxic proliferation of social media which makes politicians feel public opinion all the more acutely, favours and amplifies hysteria and emotion over rationality and facts, as well as its (ab)use as an incredibly powerful propaganda tool to spread fear. Can you imagine how Stalin and Hitler would have used social media had it existed in their time? Perhaps we are getting a taste now.
“ A bunch of Marxists on the Left looking to overthrow democracy.”
I’m more worried about a bunch of proto-fascists on the Tory free-market right who *have* overthrown democratic principles. Inventing straw men from political obsessions won’t alter that.
The only Tory free marketeers still alive are in a tiny minority in The Lords – Peter Lilley being a notable one. If you think Boris and his Cabinet of all star intellects such as Williamson and Sharma are free marketeers and right wing, I fear you are mistaken.
You are deluded….in so far as the Tories have gone along with this its because they are now part of the left and the cultural revolution. Any free market person would not want to see private capitalism destroyed and the NHS turned into a state religion. They would leave that to the likes of you.
How long do you think this is going to go on for ? I’m seriously thinking of looking for work in Sweden and to move out there, I’ve literally had enough of the covid fear that is in this country. I’m arguing with family who are normally well balanced people but are now “Covid Karen’s” and acting in ways I’ve never seen before. I want to live a life but not like this..
I have a nephew who moved there about seven years ago. He found it hard to get work, although admittedly he was moving in a narrow field…music teaching and performance. Sweden doesn’t always recognise British qualifications. However, if you can get through that aspect, then it seems to be a nice place; obviously very uncrowded; but everywhere is cashless, lots of things very liberal, and so on. Analyse carefully before jumping.
The Old Sweden has also been changed by a very large muslim intake and parts of the big cities are seen as no go zones for women after dark. The liberal nature of the Swedes has made it difficult for them to deal with this new manace.
Sorry to put a dampner on things but as far as I can see this madness is everywhere. Us Sceptics need to stick together and fight back.
Agree. The grass is not always greener on the other side.
I agree. Running away will not solve the problem. Mass non-violent resistance will.
I’ve recently purchased an “I Love Sweden’ T-shirt to wear in public as often as I can. Raises a few eyebrows. I can’t believe “I Love Sweden” is now a political statement!
please can I come with you?
i think sweden is a very “liberal” society and probably very nice but they have a stack of their own issues too. They have taken in a lot of refugees which are creating issues in the cities and there have been increase in rapes, and bombings in recent years etc – none of this ever gets into the msm as it doesn’t fit their agenda – google it.
there seem to be a few swedes on this forum who can probably give you a balanced view. But i would think a little wooden hut couple hundred miles away in the forest would be absolutely ideal right now…
Off topic but just listened to Chopper’s Politics Podcast from the Telegraph. He interviewed an utterly cretinous Tory MP for Stoke on the obesity “crisis”. Not only did she suggest we all need to be eating a “plant based” diet, the corollary of what she said had me screaming at the radio. Her argument followed to its logical conclusion would be that everyone should be banned from buying or preparing their own food. We should all get a “nutritious” meal prepared and delivered to our door by the state (she didn’t actually say that but it was the logical conclusion of what she did say). And she claimed her approach wasn’t nanny statist and that Boris should get 10/10 for his first year. Un-f-ing believable!
And we are supposed to believe these people are meaningfully “conservative”!?
(Let alone “far right” as some deluded types seem to believe!)
“Conservative” – perhaps not in any meaningful sense
“Far Right” definitely – like the fascists. The fact that Stalinism was just as repulsive doesn’t alter the fact; this lot come from the other extreme.
I think you confuse “authoritarian” with far right. You can be either left or right and be authoritarian. The distinction between left and right is fundamentally one of radicalism versus conservatism, not as it tends to be viewed by those whose views were formed by the socialism/Thatcher decades in this country, merely big government versus big business. In reality, big business can be either left or right, as can be clearly seen from the actions of many big businesses and super-rich individuals recently. .
You really are a joke…I am sure you would find Novara media more to your liking. And Ash Sarkar is very easy on the eye too.
I wonder who you are referring to there lol.
the mushroom approach .. kept in the dark and fed on sh*t
So ridiculous. We absolutely cannot trust any nutrition advice by the Government. They still use the outdated food pyramid. At the bottom of the pyramid they recommend that we stuff ourselves with a lot of carbohydrates. They even recommend low fat diets that have been debunked. We need good quality fats in our diet and good quality proteins (the building blocks of our bodies).
We are all different and our bodies react differently to different foods – it is not as simple as calories in and out. Some people are very sensitive to carbohydrates and gain weight weight quickly.
I have a feeling ration cards won’t be too long before they are mentioned, can only buy food with “approved” cards and so on.
Part of the new green agenda being pushed.
And you can only have a ration card if you have your immunity pass.
One of the objectives of the “Sustainability” agenda being pushed/planned by the UN/WEF and their supporter/controllers is to abolish meat consumption altogether (dairy/cattle farms are ‘not sustainable’ because they take up too much land and resources).
They will sing the praises of a ‘plant-based’ diet but in reality it is food created in a lab – much more ‘efficient’ than farms. So the end result will be to sever the connection between people and the consumption of natural foods.
Watch out for more and more articles appearing in MSM praising ‘plant-based’ diets, bemoaning the consumption and production of meat and linking it to the proliferation of viruses, etc
Here’s one in today’s Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/do-need-stop-eating-meat/
Some good reading here, for anyone interested. A bit more balanced than headlines.
https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/articles/?category=food-systems-2
Bill Gates headlines an all-star list of investors pumping $75 million into meatless burgers
https://qz.com/1044498/bill-gates-impossible-foods-investment-increases-in-meatless-burger-funding-round/
How revolting.
I suspect that elite will continue t eat the best beef and lamb and fish available. It will be the rest of us who get the synthetic equivalent of an airline meal delivered daily by the block kapo.
Like I always say- it’s plant-based because it’s made in a plant and plant is another word for factory. Funny how the people who 15 years ago were bleating on about additives and GM crops are the same ones advocating we eat an increasingly synthetic diet.
It’s not off topic. It’s another case of politicians and media channels, regurgitating the opinions of a few. Most of the real evidence for healthy eating, that can also feed the whole planet, points to non selective diets.
I’d love to see her suggest her food plan to my wife’s face – she’s passionate about home-cooking healthy meals every day – I fear that MP will not come out well from the confrontation (my wife’s a fiery red-headed ginger ninja).
Did she also suggest what we could do with the elderly population – what she would undoubtedly term the ‘useless eaters’? Soylent Green anyone?
I don’t think this is off-topic at all. It’s all part of the same lunatic mentality that got us into this mess in the first place.
Yes thats the reality of the collapse of the ‘red wall’ They have still got Labour MPs standing on Tory colours. Many of the new Tory MPs would not know a conservative principle from a communist one.
Nervous – Needed to pick up a Hoover from Argos this morning. Deep breathing exercises before I left. Walked around a little because I was early, surprised everyone wearing a mask going into local Tesco – local butchers looked hopeful! Anyway down to Sainsburys – 8am and not busy – walked straight in and asked two members of staff(wearing masks) what time Argos(inside store) opened “8am” “Thank You” – Walked down to Argos Section – all good so far, lady came to serve me – not wearing a mask Hurray! Nice chat about hoovers etc – Smiled at each other walked out with my Shark Hoover. Mission accomplished! Co op later for my parents.
I’m bracing myself for the Co-Op, too.
Found this picture online, thought you all might like it.
They say you never appreciate what you had until it’s gone. I really, really miss my freedom. My freedom to go where I want on a whim. My freedom to browse book shops with no specific aim. My freedom to smile at a passing stranger who, for no known reason smiled at me. My freedom josh with staff in restaurants and pubs. Freedom to play with words in that British way we do during daily interactions – that Americans find very difficult to understand – even without a mask. It’s the oil that allows the wheels of daily life to turn without grinding quite so much. The politicians have thrown sand in the wheels, and it hurts. I will have my revenge, preferably in this world, not the next.
The only mechanism for political revenge that I can see will be to support new and non-mainstream parties,at every opportunity, even if you don’t necessarily like all their policies or views, to take away legitimacy from the mainstream politicians who have betrayed us and failed in their most basic responsibilities.
Most importantly – don’t let them “move on” and persuade us that we have to accept what they have done because new things become more urgent and important. That’s why my mantra is: Never forget. Never forgive.
What they most want is for us to forget about all this and vote for them again, because they are saying something we want to hear or (more likely) because it’s “necessary” to prevent some other group getting into power, a few years down the line.
Yes Mark. But don’t you find it strange that there are NO political voices being raised at this cataclysmic change to our centuries-old freedoms? None? Civil Wars have started for less – and faster.
No ‘political’ voices perhaps, but alternative sites like this are flourishing. I know there’s not much to feel bright about at present, but look at what Toby Young has achieved here: a mixture of objective reporting, accessible commentary, citizen journalism by contributors plus a forum for criticism and commiseration. This is the future.
Until ‘the authorities’ decree that free exchange of information is ‘dangerous’ and force social media companies and ISPs to block such material.
Yes it was definitely strange in the beginning…now it is quite chilling as there does not appear anyone in Parliament who is willing to question the government on its actions or hold it to account.
Where have the independent, brave politicians not afraid to speak their minds gone? They were always relatively few in number but they did exist and made their voices heard. What has happened?
As Simon Heffer has pointed out, Boris has a talent for avoiding scrutiny. The refusal to interviewed by Andrew Neil, the attempted prorogation of parliament, avoiding Sir Graham Brady, the institution of a socially distanced and virtual parliament, virtual press conferences which deflect awkward questions: these things are of a piece.
According to the Spectator, the Red Wall recent intake of MPs is causing problems for Boris over Huawei. We just need to encourage them to cause him problems over Covid policy.
But of course, the magician has just rushed through some of the most illiberal measures in history and slipped from the stage.
Good luck with that! Red Wall constituents absolutely love masks and lockdown. I live in a working class strongly pro Brexit constituency and I honestly think if Boris told us to smear our faces with cow pat, wear a traffic cone on our heads and sing “Dancing Queen” to ward of covid 99.9% of people here would do it with enthusiasm. Don’t make the mistake of thinking people vote for Brexit because they are libertarians; I have learnt most people just wanted the wearer of the jackboot pressing on their neck to be worn by a Brit.
We live in a heavily conformist society that has been increasingly intolerant of dissent for decades now (that’s what “political correctness” and “hate speech” has all been about, though those are reflections of an underlying reality rather than driving forces). In such a society, it’s probably not particularly strange that we have a political elite that reflects that intolerance of dissent and is itself conformist and politically narrow.
As to why this has happened, that’s a much bigger question, though I think Peter Hitchens has been making good points for many years about how massive a force for conformism television was, and tv has in recent years been surpassed in that regard by the immensely more toxic social media.
I live in a society in which my own views have become “extremist” over the course of my own lifetime without changing much, as my society’s collective culture has been shifted radically to the left in just a few decades. So while I do indeed share your surprise at the pace of events and the particulars of the pretexts used, I am perhaps not as shocked by the underlying revelations s others might be.
The straws in the wind for tyrannising people “for the greater [or their own] good”have been present for decades now. Mos people weren’t bothered by them just as most aren’t bothered now by their flaring into more intrusive tyranny “for the greater good”.
That is very strange – but I would say the problem may be outlets for the dissenting Politicians (and by the law of averages there must be some) to get their message out.
James you’re right – I’m amazed how there is no political opposition to this shambles, except on sites like this. I’m not especially political but right now i’m politically homeless. If there was a credible, charismatic person with sensible, logical, common sense policies/manifesto i reckon they would gain a lot of support and votes. I thought the Brexit party were going to re-launch and switch focus – maybe they’ll fill the void but i’m not sure Nigel Farage is the man to lead the new charge, as although he talks a lot of sense to the people in the street, i wonder if he’s had his day.
“The only mechanism for political revenge that I can see will be to support new and non-mainstream parties,at every opportunity, even if you don’t necessarily like all their policies or views”
I think this is key. At least one is there if you look, and they are not in favour of masks, lockdown, net zero, green new deals and sustainability, and all the other cheeks of the same arse. Wake up folks!
I agree with you, but, it still depends on where you go and what you do. I refuse to go to shops, I do click and collect, I go to the coast, walk and sit in the cafe’s, where even yesterday, not a mask to be seen, even on the staff, who were cheery and welcoming. They go through the rigmarole of serving through a hatch etc but its all done in the same manner. Also if I need anything it will be online. Its a pity because its helping the non cash and multinationals in the main but will try my local shops next week, without a mask.. I will never vote mainstream again and will refuse to follow their madness.
There is clearly a reason why under 11s are exempt from masks. Just seen a kid of about 8 pull her mask down to her chin before picking up and then putting down several “fresh” pizzas in Sainsburys. I know that there is no evidence of an adult catching Covid from a child but it does make you laugh out loud at the idiocy.
This was from April 14th 2020:
https://wmbriggs.com/post/30300/
We now know what way the politicians went.
It’s been mentioned some people are struggling with the conflicts caused by differing views about current matters. James Corbett has recently put out a shirt video specifically covering his thoughts and reflections about the problem. Not prescriptive, some may find it helpful to listen to intelligent comment.
https://youtu.be/Am89xV1ROQo
Also worth seeking out at Corbett Report is the recent report Your Body Their Choice.
There’s a woman called Lara Crabb who’s building up quite a high profile on Twitter and has been featured in the Daily Mail and Evening Standard.
Boy does she have a balls of steel. But I worry what all the Twitter trolls are doing to her mental health. Not sure how she finds the strength. Twitter is a toxic environment full of some nasty, hateful people.
God bless her for standing up for our rights though.
Twitter is horrid at the moment. I try to stay well clear of it. Sad, it used to be a nice place for friendly discussions.
Speaking as some one who is “nuts”, I think we can safely say the pro-vaccine propaganda is under way, ably assisted by its coercive cousin, mandatory masking. It’s quite clear the intention is to release us from mask-wearing on condition we agree to the vaccine. The DM is today trying to shame doctors who question the safety of vaccines: all part of the softening up for the combined wisdom of Alok Sharma and Boris Johnson.
Any one who distrusts the establishment is labelled a conspiracy theorist. Over the last few years, there is hardly a British institution which hasn’t been exposed to scandal. Cash for questions, parliamentary expenses, Hillsborough, Middlesborough, Rochdale, the Dodgy Dossier, major charities involved in sex scandals, statins. Why should we believe them now about a rushed through vaccine programme?
Plus Primodos, vaginal mesh, blood transfusions, which are perhaps, even more relevant to the discussion on vaccines. What surprises me most, given the former two directly affected women, is why any woman would be prepared to accept a vaccine that had not gone through rigorous clinical trials and regulatory approval.
Propaganda and psychological warfare increasing daily in leaps and bounds.
Tony Heller explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htClxyZKp1Y
Irish guys featured at 3:50: “They need visible evidence of terror that they want to keep in the people”.
Over the last couple of years I have woken up, prior to that I used to accept what the media & government told me., I never thought The BBC would deliberately lie, to me a British citizen!
Then something clicked, looking back at world events I saw much was not as it seemed, I supposed the “weapons on mass destruction” fiasco should have been the turning point but it wasn’t, I had too much other stuff going on and even after we all found out TB was lying, I did not pay much attention.
Those in control spin a narrative, so that we, the people, virtually beg them to follow the agenda that they are already going to follow, but with the power of the people behind them.
This time they seem to be pushing for a world wide vaccine, and the masses just accept it.
Bugle you are not alone in being “nuts”, “conspiracy theorist” seems to be in very common use these last few months, indeed when Toby’s blog started a few months ago, a few people on here were told they are “conspiracy theorists”, not too much of that now.
My nephew’s girl friend had her nose pierced and a ring fitted just before the lock down. This was to compliment her nice array of body tattoos and other fashion accessories. They are both fully paid up members of the ‘hip’set (would that be the right description coming from an oldie?) and both sport ear rings, nose rings, tattoos and eye wateringly expensive clobber the cost of which would have been a deposit on a house back in the day.
Now, it seems, they are both embracing the mask but I would think more of a fashion accessory rather than a precaution against a non existent virus. I can’t imagine the dilemma my nephew’s girl friend faces each morning when she is looking in the mirror and deciding her look for the day. Mask with hidden nose ring, or no mask with nose ring for all the world to see. Or maybe she’ll be one of those who wear an eye catching mask but pulled down below her nose, that way she gets to display both and presents herself as a real ‘dedicated follower of fashion’—–now who sung that I wonder?
Curious that the ICNARC website has gone down. Perhaps they don’t want us to see just how few “Covid positive” people are being admitted to intensive care now, just as mandatory face masks are rolled out! The media had already stopped focusing on so-called Covid-related deaths because the numbers are just too low to scare anyone. Now too few hospitalisation I suspect. So let’s just focus on “cases”, despite most being completely asymptomatic, and the tests themselves being highly inaccurate. And as so-called cases are also getting too few, let’s focus on the second wave that hasn’t happened yet except for in some people’s imaginations. We can go back to talking about “tsunamis”. Deja vu anybody?
Not quite on subject, but this advert spotted in today’s Times made old Ethelred chuckle…
Knee supports for Coppers….
Just back from asda…….foot fall right down,handful of shoppers in a large shop that is normally heaving.
On line shopping and boycotting is noticeable.Whilst on line shopping not for me,I will do my bit by shopping mask less…..feeling a bit more hopeful now,and incidentally had no trouble whatsoever.
Kelly did you wear a lanyard, badge or something else to say you exempt or just no mask?
Important as this information gives others courage to venture out shopping, once they know other have gone before them.
This morning,no one at Asda on the door,no one in store asked,or seem to care!
Yesterday at Morrisons,I told the *guard* I was exempt and that I did not have to prove it,was let in,no trouble.
No lanyard,badge etc.Frankly I refuse to wear such things……..but everyone must find their own way on this.
Saturdays page is here
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/07/25/latest-news-84/#comments
I was surprised to be asked why I didn’t have a mask on when I went in my local takeaway last night,they have always been sceptical of all the CV crap and I told them that I would never wear a mask when we were talking a couple of weeks ago.The conversation went,
‘sorry,you need a mask‘.
‘no,I am exempt’
‘oh,okay,exempt,didn’t know about exemptions,why are you exempt ?‘,
‘I don’t have to give you a reason or proof of a reason’
‘Okay,that’s fine with us,no problem‘
To be fair to them they weren’t pushy and I have known them quite a while so,afterwards,even though I didn’t need to,I did explain my genuine health reason for not wearing a mask as well as my conscientious objection to being forcibly muzzled and I did show them the exemption card I had in my pocket.
They were very interested as they didn’t know much about exemptions and how to react to someone who claims exemption,in fact it turns out one of the chaps wives has a severe disability and has been struggling badly with wearing a mask so he was pleased he could now tell her she didn’t need to wear one.
I was pleased that the first time I have been confronted about being maskless went well and I was able to have a decent sensible conversation with people about it.
It seems the owners of the takeaway are worried because the local council have implied that they are liable if any customer does not wear a mask,I told them this is not true,it is the person without the mask who could get a fine,they have no obligation to enforce the law.
If my mask saves you then you may as well have it – here ya go – all yours – doin’ my bit for the worriers :0)
Its weird that there are hardly any media or political dissenters. Friend in NZ tells me that they had 5 escapee’s last night from an isolation facility. Fortunately the ‘Guard’ spotted them and with others gave chase, where they were ‘captured’ and will appear in court today. She also tells me that although it has an infection rate of 1%, it has wreaked ‘havoc’. Which it actually hasnt in NZ. The power of the propaganda and the gullible is truly amazing
There’s an amusing thread on TripAdvisor with the usual subtext that if anyone questions the evidence for face masks and whether they should be mandatory then they’re some kind of moral degenerate:
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g1-i10702-k13353335-Face_mask_exemptions_when_flying_to_from_the_UK-Air_Travel.html
Who’d have thunk this would happen, colour me unsurprised:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/08/more-masks-than-jellyfish-coronavirus-waste-ends-up-in-ocean