Elon Musk has backed Reform U.K. after meeting Nigel Farage at Donald Trump’s home in Florida, tweeting his agreement that “Britain needs Reform”. The Telegraph has the story.
Mr. Musk – who will play a key role in the incoming Trump administration – showed his support for the party after an hour-long meeting at Mar-a-Lago.
On Tuesday afternoon, Mr. Farage, the Reform leader, uploaded a photograph of him and Nick Candy, the Reform Treasurer, meeting the Tesla billionaire, with the caption: “Britain needs Reform.”
Writing on X, formerly Twitter, the social media platform he has owned since 2022, Mr. Musk replied: “Absolutely.”
The apparent endorsement is a major boost for Reform, which is now polling at around 20% and has attracted a significant increase in support since the General Election.
In a statement, Mr. Farage and Mr. Candy said: “We had a great meeting with Elon Musk for an hour yesterday. We learned a great deal about the Trump ground game and will have ongoing discussions on other areas. We only have one more chance left to save the West, and we can do great things together.
“Our thanks also to President Trump for allowing us to use Mar-a-Lago for this historic meeting. The special relationship is alive and well.” …
There have been rumours that [Musk] could donate as much as $100 million to Reform.
Worth reading in full.
Farage has written in the Telegraph about his meeting with Musk.
Musk was very generous with his time, and I was particularly fascinated to listen as he explained his organisation of the ground campaign that took place in the seven key swing states.
There is little doubt that Musk’s contribution to the scale of the Trump victory is not to be underestimated. I have come home with copious notes of how they increased the turnout, voter registration and so much more, and all of this I intend to implement as part of the professionalisation of our party.
It is also heartening to listen to Elon speak about U.K. politics with such deep care. He regards the mother country of the English-speaking world as being in very deep trouble.
He described the Labour and Conservative parties as the uniparty, and left us in no doubt that he is right behind us.
Inevitably, following such intense media speculation, the issue of money was discussed, and there will be ongoing negotiations on that score.
The Telegraph adds that the U.K.’s draconian Online Safety Act is a key concern for Musk and Trump:
The Telegraph understands that Mr. Musk has significant concerns about the U.K.’s Online Safety Act, which requires social media companies including X – which he owns – to regulate their content.
Scrapping or amending the legislation may become a key request of Mr. Trump when he enters trade negotiations with Britain next year.
Mr. Trump’s team has warned that the U.K. must choose between a closer trade relationship with either the U.S. or the EU, suggesting that talks could end with tariffs of up to 20% on U.K. exports if the incoming President is not placated.
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or thinking vaxxer
I did my own risk calculation – I’m 51. It turned out to be zero. Lo and behold – I had a tickly throat for a few days with delta. I was right
You have to be careful with averages – the average will include 40 stone 51 year old diabetics who smoke 80 a day and have never been near a vegetable.
I imagine your risk is the same as mine – zero. How did it turn out? Did you live?
a long time ago I did the BHF risk calculator. For my age and heath profile I apparently have a 1in 1200 chance of hospitalisation and a 1 in 7000 chance of death if I get covid. Not zero, but chances I would take against the risks of a vaccine that isn’t full tested..
This is exactly the point. The average risk factors simply don’t give any indication of the risk for people in decent health. And for me that was just one more reason to be “hesitant”.
The unvaxxed have done the right thing so far, so best to keep it that way. Many tens of thousands of the jabbed though, are already long gone and most of those poor souls never even made it to the ICU.
The future for the jabbed is bleak and likely short. Never mind the mRNA and the viral vector DNA, what about the graphene microtechnology that has been found in samples of all of these heavily tainted products.
Here is a link to the “Orwell City” archive which provides an English language version of some of the findings made by “La Quinta Columna” which first broke the vaccine graphene content story early last summer. The video for the 19th January 2022 is particularly vivid. https://www.orwell.city/p/archivo.html
How does Toby know he had covid?
Indeed and how does anybody know?
They get the flu, are told its covid – and they believe it!
^^^^ This 100%.
A cough, sneeze and a positive test is all you need to believe you “have” Covid.
Or you catch it from someone who was confirmed to have it. It’s not a cold, trust me.
it has other symptoms, which can include nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, headache, raised temperature, loss of smell, *very* sore throat.
None of my family had cold-like symptoms, i.e. a bit of a sore throat, then sneezing and stuffed nose which goes after a couple of days. We were all much more unwell than that, and MOH ended up in hospital for a week.
So the test to see if you definately had it is to be around someone who says they definately had it. Uhhhh…..
Which variant? Everyone I know who has had omicron had a cold.
Spike protein causes all of these symptoms, I have experienced this effect myself twice last year after being around recently jabbed in very confined work spaces during their ‘shedding’ phase. I now likely have antibodies to those particular ‘variants’ of spike protein, which the experts fraudulently claim are Wuhan and Delta variants of a virus they have never adequately proven to exist.
How could you forget Covid Toe aka chilblains. And schizophrenia. And paranoia generally. All symptoms of Convid. What about all the OCD it has created, what with all the sheeple and their muzzles in the cars and fresh air. All Convid.
Hiccups, tinnitus and stammering are bizarre signs of Covid too, say doctors – as it becomes clear the virus can affect the body from head to toe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9154783/Hiccups-tinnitus-stammering-bizarre-signs-Covid-say-doctors.html
Can attest to Tinnitus from ( for me, a very painful and obvious ear) infection that only affected one ear- recall the event vividly c 25 years ago
Twenty five years BC not AC. New Normal BC and AC.
I did a test to what my chances of being murdered in the UK are. It came out at 0.2%. I the did the Oxford covid test and it came out at 0.021 of dying of covid, I’m a very fit 51 year old. So, based on the current thinking, i should lock myself away in the house and never venture out again. I’m far, far, far more likely to be murdered than catch covid.
I think I’ll take my chances though
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About two years ago we estimated that according to “the government” it was safer to be a passenger on the Diamond Princess than on the streets of London. That was one of clinchers that led us to be an Early Doubter.
You have somewhat missed the point. His concern wasn’t dying. It was being in an embarrassing situation. Apparently, that’s much worse than dying.
“the unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated – is probably right. Was that where I was headed? I know, I know. My chances of being hospitalised, let alone put on a ventilator, were low, assuming it was Omicron. But what if it wasn’t? Or what if it was and I just got unlucky?”
Couldn’t Will just carry on without you?
“This, for me, is the best argument against remaining unvaccinated … that if that happened I would be ridiculed mercilessly by my enemies.”
Best get yourself ‘vaccinated’ then – by ‘vaccines’ that aren’t.
Yes – what are you waiting for. Go and make yourself SAFE with your never ending programme of spike protein injections.
The other side of the coin is that if you get vaxxed you leave yourself open to accusations of hypocrisy if you then question mass vaccinations.
That and 15minutes after the vax he has a massive stroke.
One of COVID’s double standards is that if you end up in hospital as a result of the Vax, there isn’t the same level of pillorying
No pillorying, just embarrassed silence.
Many people see no connection between the vax and getting Covid. They make no connection at all between them. My friend’s daughter had her booster, then got Covid very quickly afterwards and is now deaf in one ear with appointments with a neurosurgeon to ‘find out’ what has happened. The daughter is 40.
Of course, you could ‘take one for the team’, get seriously ill or worse just to see the look on Clive’s sanctimonious face.
Or you could just tell Clive to get lost and mind his own business
These “vaccines” are not vaccines, they are gene modifying injections. There is no short, medium and long term trial data and won’t be.
The government push to be injected is enough on its own to convince me these injections are not in my best interest.
Billy Gates is involved. Tony Fauci is involved and hundreds of other disreputable people.
Agenda 21 / 30
Charlie and the rest of the Windsors
The US Democrats.
I’m satisfied these injections are bio weapons designed to kill and maim.
Bodily integrity.
I could go on.
And I forgot the real biggy – there’s no going back.
The injections cannot be undone.
precisely – whereas there is a shed load of stuff you can do, which doesn’t involve a needle and some dodgy chemicals, to boost your immune system and stay healthy.
Indeed HP. One would almost be forgiven for thinking that TY doesn’t read the comments people place at the foot of the articles he writes.
Has he learned nothing from what we have written???
Im interested in finding out how Toby knows he had ‘covid’?
Flipped a coin?
Yes and as the MHRA have confirmed https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/email-exchange-with-uk-mhra-exposing-the-genomic-sequence-of-sarscov2/ , the genetic code being injected was formulated in a computer, so these injections force the body to produce a toxic synthetic protein that is found nowhere in nature. The idea that this process immunises anyone against anything is laughable. But here we are and the very people who have written articles showing how the classification of who and who isnt injected is completely fraudulent – like everything convid related – those people are still tempted.
EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH UK MHRA – Exposing the genomic sequence of SARSCov2
https://hive.blog/worldnews/@francesleader/email-exchange-with-uk-mhra-exposing-the-genomic-sequence-of-sarscov2
WITHOUT A PURIFIED SAMPLE VIRUS UK MHRA CONFESSES THAT THE PFIZER VACCINE mRNA ELEMENT IS A COMPUTER GENERATED GENOMIC SEQUENCE AMPLIFIED FROM A RNA FRAGMENT FOUND IN ONE EXPERIMENTAL STUDY FROM WUHAN (Feb 2020).
NO SIMILAR VIRUS HAS BEEN ISOLATED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD SINCE.
THE VACCINES ARE CREATED USING A COMPUTER MODEL!
AFTER NEIL FERGUSON’S CATASTROPHIC COMPUTER MODEL TOOK THE WORLD INTO A SPIRAL OF LOCKDOWNS, MASKS & ABJECT FEAR – HOW MUCH FAITH HAVE YOU GOT IN A COMPUTER CREATED “VIRAL” SPIKE PROTEIN BEING INJECTED INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM?
Hmm. So I take it you didn’t squirrel away a supply of Ivermectin and HCQ along with the battery of vitamins, C, D and Zinc?
That would be odd after all this time.
I would have sent you some. My family used it along with me (51).
It was 2 days of feeling low and 6 days of low energy. That’s all.
No big deal for those who are prepared to properly self medicate.
Yes, I take HCQ and VitD3 daily for RA. I’m regarded as “extremely vulnerable” apparently as my immunity is reduced due to other meds I take for RA. But…I got all the Covid symptoms two years ago (before it was recognised as such) and although I was pretty rough I was over the worst with a week. And nothing since!
Congrats!
If one is “vaccine sceptical” but Covid-fearful, not to have these drugs on hand by now seems nuts after all the studies showing they work very well.
And pine needle tea, (shikemic acid), zinc, and quercetin (lots of lovely dark fruits, plus apples), and Peter McCullough, bless him, has a really good protocol, divided into three for different stages of the virus.
I assume you mean shikimic acid?
“Shikimic acid side effects
Almost every Shikimic acid review that you come across highlights its benefits only. However, this acid has ingredients that can cause blisters, scaling and swelling when applied on the skin. It can also cause problems of the nervous system such as seizures when taken in wrong doses.
How to avoid shikimic acid side effects
These side effects can be avoided by taking shikimic acid according to the physician’s or manufacturer’s instructions. Also consult your doctor before taking the acid as a treatment for any medical condition.
Warnings
Breastfeeding and pregnant women should not take shikimic acid because there is no adequate, reliable information about its safety on them. Infants should also not be given shikimic acid because it can cause irritability, seizures and vomiting.”
But every food is toxic in overdose, including sugar, salt, wheat, and so on. Food can cause irritability, seizures, and vomiting. So is every drink toxic in overdose: whisky, wine, coffee, tea, even water.
Had I spoken of a chocolate with whisky in before bed would you feel the need to warn of what happens when you drink too much whisky? Or should doctors be micromanaging every aspect of our food intake? We are adults who can buy OTC drugs like aspirin, paracetamol, and antihistamines. which are all potentially dangerous.
I think one of the dangers of the NHS is that introducing a third party, the government, into the payment structure can make health officials forget that they are paid by people to provide a service, and start acting as if they are a health army not a health service and the public should obey orders.
Just gave that same recipe to a chap I know who got a very nasty dose of covid-something after he got his booster. Would imagine he will laugh at it and dump it in his trash folder.
But that same recipe has kept me well and functioning very nicely thank you the whole way through the last 2 years.
My 80 year old mum is unvaxxed snd on a weekly ivermectin as prophylaxis. It’s been working a treat.
I suggest TY watches the Canadian Covid Care Alliance presentation or Dr Aseem Malhotra’s 1 min. interview on GB News. As they explain, the injection appears to *increase* all-cause mortality.
It’s surely rather naive to consider taking something which raises your overall risk of dying. The medical profession used to try to reduce the risk of death but seems to have been taken over by a gang of spivs and crooks (aka pharmaceutical companies). Why rob a bank when you can rob a country?
Does TY take vitamin D? It’s essential at this latitude, although people seem to take from 1,000 to 10,000 IU per day, I take 3,000.
If in doubt, watch the Youtube interview some time ago with David Davis MP. He has a degree in biochemistry and molecular biology so knows far more about the subject than Javid or Hancock.
Also it’s very easy to buy some ivermectin tablets via Indiamart. Keep them in stock just in case.
Oh Toby, why would you take a state-pushed injectable into your body, when all the well researched information on this site alone has found more than enough evidence to show it has potentially detrimental effects for many sectors of society? Just to keep the jeering comments from the likes of bloody Clive Myrie at bay? When, at any time in your life, or say, if this debacle had never hapoened, would you have thought this? You’d just had flu and got over it. Not pondering whether taking an experimental “medication” would have kept you out of hospital or not!
Look at it another way, given that Toby is a thorn in the butt of the multi-billion vaccine industry, something bad might happen to him and they might then frame it as “chief corona denier succumbs to a fatal covid infection”.
If Mr. P can put novichok in his political opponent’s tea, do you think international Big Pharma conglomerate does not have the means?
I’m pretty sure that many anti-vaxxers succumbing in hospitals were not accidental and not due to covid.
That’s why if I would be Toby I wouldn’t take any vaccine but also I would avoid hospitals like a plague. (I am not him but I will also avoid hospital like plague and if covid is really taking my life it will be taken at home in my bed)
There are reports of paranoid people exactly like you succumbing to covid by refusing medical help. It can happen within a day if your oxygen values drop dangerously.
Translation: TY is scared shitless and finding ways to rationalize doing the obvious against his prior silly convictions.
At least he doesn’t have to be scared shitless of completely unknown and unknowable long term effects.
I always wondered what was meant by the phrase ‘ticking time bomb’. Now I know.
Please just ignore this troll.
Silly boy again rayc, time you were off duty.
The other factor to consider is the treatments one can take to prevent or mitigate the impact of Covid, other than a vaccine.
I have been taking numerous high dose vitamins and supplements for well over 18 months now, including, amongst other things, Vit D3, Vit K2, Magnesium, Zinc, Quercetin, Vit C, Nigela Sativa oil and NAC.
I am overweight and just passed 60yrs old and so could consider myself highish risk.
I had Covid before Christmas and the upshot was I had what was just like a bad heavy cold for under 2 days (I had no fever or a temperature), which following taking ivermectin reduced by about 80% overnight. The effect was staggering. I was never ill enough to be consigned to bed and just took one day where I rested fully.
For me at least, following a prophalaxis and early treatment protocol such as that from The FLCCC has given me considerable confidence not have another vaccine ( I had the first one and had a blood clot) and have no fear of Covid. I should also say that I follow the science very closely with regards these protocols and the beneficial effects of the above vitamins and supplements which has convinced me of their considerable efficacy in relation to treating and mitigating against Covid, without any need for a vaccine. And then there is of course natural immunity on top.
I am pro-vaccine and anti-vaxxine. I have in front of me my genuine pre-covid vaccination card. One of the vaccines I have taken has a 10 year ‘booster’ period. The vaccine did not cause me to catch the disease, enable me to pass it on to others, or make the disease worse for me than an unvaccinated person.
The vaxxines have a ‘3 month and falling’ booster period. They do not prevent the vaxxinated from catching the disease or prevent them from passing it on to others. One of the most common adverse reactions is to make the disease worse in the vaxxinated than in the unvaxxinated. And now the pathogen has mutated to its essentially non-fatal form making another variant of the common cold. So remind me, what’s the selling point for these vaxxines?
These drugs are cynically called vaccines by the makers to exploit an approval loophole that requires less evidence of efficacy with lower regulatory oversight, and to exploit the public’s perception that vaccines are good per se. The 2009 swine flu vaccine gave a substantial number of children permanent brain damage. Is that good? The drug industry may think so, but lord knows what the parents thought.
The only thing the covid drugs boost is Big Pharma’s bottomline – both through initial sales and through treatment of subsequent complications. A while back Pfizer used some of its windfall profits to buy up another company specialising in developing drugs for immune system problems. I wonder why they did that? (/s)
Your third para is worth emphasising. If the manufacturers had used a proper term (say ‘prophylactic drug’), it would have been a brand new drug which would have to go through an expensive, long term, trial before being authorised for general use. But money talks, and they got away with it (for now). It is an “approval loophole” for sure.
Without having read the original article I’m a bit disappointed in Ed West.
The vaccines are a crime. There. That’s why Toby shouldn’t take any. The trials were a crime, the coercion is a crime, the claims made by shills for Big Pharma are a crime, the injecting of children is a crime. The pretence that they are needed is a crime. Every government advert, every BBC News report about efficacy, every celebrity promoting them, every action taken by regulators in connection with them, every adverse reaction, every ‘safe and effective’, every poster, every government minister, every school, every doctor’s surgery, every mandate, every certification scheme, are all crimes. And very soon, they will be publicly discredited and regarded as a crime. Now is not the time to buckle.
Super post.
every long term harm to health they might cause which is not yet known [because the whole thing is a giant global experiment] is a crime
Yes the crimes will continue to mount. And they will hide behind their indemnity, which was itself a crime.
I suspect they actually know what the long term effects will be and that’s why Bill Gates, a long time global depopulator, is also the biggest pusher of these sinister gene based products.
Now is not the time to buckle.
Absolutely – well said.
“the unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated – is probably right.”
Toby Young still has a lot to learn.
That’s why this piece and TY is controlled opposition
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I commissioned a professor of epidemiology to calculate Omicron’s infection fatality rate for my Daily Sceptic website”
Really??…. Not
Even if it was 1 in 150 over 50s, not all over 50s are created equally, in fact it’s likely 30-50% of them are overweight, some of them will have heart disease, diabetes, smoke and not exercise (besides changing from Sly to the BBC to see who they can slander tomorrow at work).
You’ve had the Rona so now you are immune, why get jabbed? Asking for trouble.
Did he not read the article posted on his own site earlier on today where CDC announced NI is a thing – like we didn’t know all along for the last 2 years?
Maybe someone has whispered in his ear that you don’t get a gong if you are unjabbed.
But sorry to hear TY has been ill of course. Get well soon Tobes.
Yes, I read the intro with disbelief. Got Covid … well done … and then though about having an unlicensed medical product? Has his temperature affected his brain?
Can I just have some Ivermectin!
Naughty corner for you, my boy.
after a recent ski trip i developed ‘symptoms’ a couple of days after returning home – a croaky voice and feeling a bit dizzy now and then. The person sat next to me on the plane was coughing and spluttering into his mask and probably vaxxed so not pre flight tested. My 2 day test was negative and I assumed I was just a bit worn out after my trip. The ‘devastating’ symptoms continued and this morning my 5 day release test returned a positive result. What a pathetic deadly virus – Sajibjabby is full of shit – the omicon is not mild because of his amazing booster death shot program – its just fcukin mild!
i wont be having a jab for this mild irritation, should be out isolation in 2/3 days once I get a couple of negative lfts – what a bullshit virus
You have confirmed there is no need for a Major Panic :-).
Why are you ‘in isolation’ in the first place? And it’s PCR tests for ‘the unvaccinated’. One for Day 2, and one for Day 8. You can pay for another one if you want to ‘get out early’.
If the PCR for the ‘5 day release’ comes up as a ‘positive’, that means quarantine starts all over again – 10 days. And a PCR at the end, not “a couple of LFTs”.
I thought people just ignored the quarantine these days, stuck two fingers up to Test & Trace. Maybe it’s all talk and no trousers.
Oh boy, why do you keep spouting off when you are so obviously limited in your knowledge – every time the EF moron gobs off….
reality…
I have to quarantine on return from abroad. As I explained to you on saturday I had ordered 2,5 & 8 day pcr tests before returning as the reference numbers are required for the passenger locator form. i appreciate you are quite simple so here goes..
I was testing each morning from sunday with LFT because I had very very mild symptoms. The LFT tests were negative sunday to tuesday so i assumed the symptoms were simply tired ness.
Yesterday I did an LFT test before doing my 5 day early release PCR – the LFT was positive so i did another LFT which was also positive. I still did the early release 5 day PCR that was sent off and the result arrived in my email this morning positive. Sometime after a polite chap from T&T phoned and after answering his questions he explained that as my symptoms started on Sunday I could start doing LFTs 5 days later (ie tomorrow) and if I got a negative LFT followed by a negative LFT the following day I was free to leave isolation or 26th (10 days after symptoms started) at latest.
I always play by the unvaxxed quarantine rules because I cannot afford not to but I am sure others take risks. The fact that the vaxxed can catch the virus and be infectious makes the whole system a nonsense and simply a punisment for the unvaxxed.
Now I appreciate you are extremely dim and have some sort of memory issues but try and research your ‘questions’ before charging in – this is the third time you have shown yourself to be simply stupid
Why test with LFTs? Unless you were worried you had ‘Covid’? Is that not the sort of thing ‘dim’ and ‘simply stupid’ people would do?
As people say on this site, it’s the constant testing that is keeping The Covid Show going.
You do the first PCR test before the 2nd Day (or on the 2nd day) anyway, and send that off. Wouldn’t that suffice?
You don’t mention the result from the Day 2 PCR. Perhaps you have ‘some sort of memory issue’?
From the UK Gov site:
“If the Test to Release or day 8 test is positive, you need to quarantine for a further 10 days. Count the 10 days starting from the day after you took the test, or from when you first had symptoms if that is earlier.
People you live with in the UK, or people you are staying with, should also quarantine for 10 days from the date of your positive test.
If your Test to Release test is positive, you do not need to take the day 8 test.”
Bottom line is – few days on ski-ing trip, 1-16 days quarantine on return.
at it again retard…
My 2 day test was negative and I assumed I was just a bit worn out after my trip
its all explained above thicko – it was the 5 day pcr that was positive – can you not concentrate
it is T&T that told me I am released from isolation 5 days after symptoms and after 2 negative LFTs on consecutive days, they confirmed this with an email.
none of you’re nonsense has substance saddo, you simply have nothing of value to say
Two interesting things here, for me. One is that we now all know Toby’s vax status, if we didn’t before – hurrah for Toby (unless you are rayc ;-))! The second is that this almost, almost made me take out a Spectator subscription with the free first month just to obviously read in full, and give said mag my bank details, because I did find the above funny. But I came to my sense before all was lost. Anyway, I think Toby is right – many people who are sceptical of the jabs have indeed taking them just because they don’t want to be ridiculed if they by some chance did get really ill from the lurgy.
And it’s true isn’t it that The Guardian have been actively seeking relatives of unvaccinated covid victims so they can proselytise for their Big Pharma sugar daddies.
Its funny how they don’t hunt down the relatives of the vaxxed who have died of the dreaded coof to ask if they think the vax was a complete waste of time and effort.
Or the relatives of the vaccine injured perhaps?
‘I’ve got nothing against the MMR.’
£50 says you have never looked into the sceptics case against it.
If the survival rate for my age group and health status was far far lower than 99.8% – then of course I would have considered having the jab – I have nothing against vaccines at all and have had them in the past – but the fact is that the risk was so low for me personally that at 99.8% I never felt in any real danger and would have probably had a higher chance of being hospitalised because of some serious side-effect related to the jab than being hospitalised with covid.
For me personally the threat of covid has been on par with the threat of seasonal flu and I’ve never even had the flu jab because I’ve never felt at risk from the flu virus and have never taken anything stronger than Lemips when I got it
When the jab rollouts were first announced for my age group I took the decision to take Mike Yeadon’s advice and wait for a few moths to see what happens first – I’m glad I did because the longer this goes on the more I’m convinced I made the right decision to refuse the jab.
Thank you Mr Yeadon.
The government and it’s advisors have everybody classed as weak and vulnerable as soon as they hit 50. The reality is there are huge differences between the weakest and strongest at late middle age. Toby and his mate Delly both look in good shape, more chance Toby of coming to harm by being struck by lightning, or drowning as by the CCP Virus.
If you want a regular injection of fear, it is still just as easy to find as March 2020.
The government and it’s advisors have everybody classed as weak and vulnerable as soon as they hit 50. The reality is there are huge differences between the weakest and strongest at late middle age.
This is so very true.
I know 60-70 year old cyclists who can clock up hundreds of miles on their bikes a week – they really are super fit for their age and take very good care of themselves – and yet i know of twenty-somethings who can’t even walk down to the corner shop without getting out of breath and needing a cigarette – its all down to a poor lifestyle … usually a bad diet leading to being overweight due to sitting in front of computer gaming machines all day long.
Don’t get me wrong – I would be last person to lecture anyone on how to live their lives – if thats how you choose to live you life then fair enough – thats your choice.
Live and let live I say.
“I know 60-70 year old cyclists who can clock up hundreds of miles on their bikes a week – they really are super fit for their age and take very good care of themselves – and yet i know of twenty-somethings who can’t even walk down to the corner shop without getting out of breath and needing a cigarette – its all down to a poor lifestyle … usually a bad diet leading to being overweight due to sitting in front of computer gaming machines all day long.”
Interestingly, both are probably suboptimal, if long life and good general health is your only objective.
“People are well aware of the heart protective effects of exercise, and recommendations that people increase exercise quantity and intensity are common. But as I’ve written about previously, evidence from observational studies suggests that the sweet spot is reached at just 35 minutes of intense exercise per day (or two hours of moderately intense exercise), after which exercise confers no additional health benefit. After an hour of intense exercise, you are actively harming your health.
There are plenty of examples of people who were thought to be supremely healthy up to the point they dropped dead of heart disease. One such example is that frequently comes to my mind is Micah True, the ultra-runner and central character in the book “Born to Run”, who died of a heart attack at the age of 58. Another is Bob Harper, the celebrity fitness trainer and host of Biggest Loser, who had a cardiac arrest at the age of 52 (but survived thanks to rapid intervention by bystanders).”
Is intense exercise bad for your heart?
I’m not going to claim there isn’t a case to be made that the former lifestyle you describe is implicitly better than the latter. But for me, moderation.
According to DrMK, short sharp exercise is very beneficial for T2 Diabetes….?
The One Thing That Might Persuade Me to Get Jabbed… I stopped reading there….
I’m just recovering from a nasty bout of Covid, age 60+, serious heart disease.
I’m also unvaxxed and could give a you list as long as my arm why I refuse, but readers of LS know them all anyway.
Did I for a minute think I should have complied? No. Never.
As a professional trainer in the risk management of large defence projects I understand how to balance the severity of the risk with the cost of the mitigation.
They’re not on the same page. And the good news, my natural immunity is boosted with no short, medium or long term complications.
PS missus treated me with high doses of Vit C, Zinc, Vit D, antihistamine, antibiotics, paracetamol and loads of fluids..
Hmm, the one thing that might persuade me to get vaccinated?? Tricky one. I know, of course – a revolver pointed at my skull!
Well, these data are an eye-opener! I think I’m more likely to die from falling off a ladder than from covid, according to the minuscule number of people for whom covid was identified as the sole cause of death between feb 2020 and dec 2021. You won’t see this on the BBC!
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021
but you will on GB News!!!
“I think of myself as a ‘vaccine sceptic’ rather than an ‘anti-vaxxer’ “
I’m another “unvaccinated man in his fifties”, and I am the same – “vaccine sceptic” rather than “antivax”, though it would be more accurate to say medication sceptic, because I’ve always felt intrusive treatment of any kind needs to be explicitly and strongly justified in every case, not just enacted thoughtlessly or “just in case”.
My view is that the risks of covid are not sufficient to go out of my way for, and nor are the likely risks of the covid “vaccines” (I would probably take a different view for young people,where the potential for long term consequences is obviously far more relevant).
For me, it’s a moral issue, because of the fearmongering and lies the whole panic is based upon. To take the “vaccine” would be to cave in to pressure, and worse, would be to abandon those who were by my side in resisting the lockdowns and who are opposed to the “vaccines”.
I’m not afraid of it, but I won’t do it.
And I’ll add that the experience of the past two years has moved me quite sharply in the direction of the general antivax positions.
This is my stance too, but I also had it and it was meh so I see no reason to put myself through that.
The way we have been treated is unforgivable and I am just damn angry. So I will endure the slings and arrows simply out of bloody mindedness. Unless it comes to actual slings and arrows, then I might reconsider.
Bloody mindedness is often underrated imo.
Why did you choose to quote this relatively insignificant part of Young’s piece? The aspect you chose to focus on has been widely discussed. It’s been done. Can you explain the ‘thought process’ behind you focusing on this rather than the heavily pregnant elephant in the room which brings into focus this fraud’s ostensible scepticism?
I’m calling you out because you claim to be a conservative. Any conservative worth their salt would have picked up on the more urgent aspect of Young’s piece, which I highlight in my post. Why are you avoiding this?
Not clear to me what you are getting at here. Your post covers several points. I didn’t read Toby’s piece because I don’t have a Spectator subscription, only the extract above.
Didn’t seem to me that it was a particularly heavy duty piece – more a bit of light hearted discussion.
By the way, Toby Young absolutely is obsessed with society and social position – it runs through pretty much all his work. But he’s at least reasonably self-aware about it and has a degree of humility, so that it isn’t as obnoxious as the trait can be. However, imo this site would never have achieved a fraction of what it did without Toby Young’s drive, experience and most importantly his establishment social and work connections. They allowed him to get away with just the right balance of dissent and residual respectability, to attract the right contributors and prevent them being wholly dismissed as fringe.
He was the right man in the right place at the right time, imo.
‘Not clear to me what you are getting at here. Your post covers several points. I didn’t read Toby’s piece because I don’t have a Spectator subscription, only the extract above.’
1. You chose to focus on this:
‘I think of myself as a ‘vaccine sceptic’ rather than an ‘anti-vaxxer’’
while ignoring the surrounding context, which is Young worrying about being ‘ridiculed mercilessly by [his] enemies’. I’m asking why. I know you’re supportive of Young for what he has done, and I understand this, but ultimately he should continue to be judged by his actions/words, and we ought not suspend judgement based on his past good work. He doesn’t get a free pass because he did good work in the past.
2. Strangely enough, the Spectator has condescended to allow us to read the article. It’s a nauseating piece. Here’s the crux of the matter, with added bold:
‘However, the second part of Ed’s sentence — that the unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated — is probably right. Was that where I was headed? I know, I know. My chances of being hospitalised, let alone put on a ventilator, were low, assuming it was Omicron. But what if it wasn’t? Or what if it was and I just got unlucky? I could picture the newspaper headline: ‘Unvaccinated lockdown sceptic in intensive care with severe Covid.’ It wouldn’t be long before the BBC’s Clive Myrie was standing at the end of my bed, microphone in hand, asking me how I felt about not being jabbed.
‘This, for me, is the best argument against remaining unvaccinated. Not the risk of being in ICU and left ‘prematurely aged’ or worse, but the absolute certainty that if that happened I would be ridiculed mercilessly by my enemies. Totally undeserved, of course. I’m dubious about the effectiveness and durability of the Covid vaccines and concerned about the lack of medium- and long-term safety data, but I think of myself as a ‘vaccine sceptic’ rather than an ‘anti-vaxxer’ — and even that is over-stating it, as I’ve got nothing against the MMR. Nevertheless, you can bet your bottom dollar that if I was hospitalised with the virus I would be branded a ‘leading anti-vaxxer’ and pilloried accordingly. In the eyes of the vaccine enthusiasts, anyone who expresses the slightest smidgen of doubt is a science-denying ‘conspiracy theorist’ and if they’re laid low by Covid-19 that’s divine justice.
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‘[I] feel strongly inclined to postpone the decision about whether to get the vaccine until we have a clearer idea of the safety profile.
‘On the other hand, I can’t get that image of Clive Myrie out of my head. It would just be so humiliating. As I’ve got older, my fear of embarrassment has increased and it’s hard to imagine anything worse than lying in a hospital bed with acute Covid, my phone going off the hook: ‘This is the Guardian, we’re running a story about Covidiots who regret not being vaccinated and wondered if you’d like to comment?’ Am I prepared to risk myocarditis to avoid that fate, however unlikely? It’s a very tough decision.’
And there we have it. This man is pathologically obsessed with the parasite class and how it views him. Like I said, forget the relative insignificance of this virus. Forget its negligible IFR. Forget the fact that this pseudo vaccine is novel, experimental and untested (yes, according to traditional protocol, it is untested, i.e. it is by definition not properly tested). No. What matters is how these parasites would view him. Truth can go hang. The fact that his being hospitalised would not negate the objective argumentation can go hang. No. He’d look bad in the eyes of parasites. That’s what concerns this man.
‘Didn’t seem to me that it was a particularly heavy duty piece – more a bit of light hearted discussion.’
How are you defining ‘heavy duty’? It is, of course, not a scholarly piece, and it’s not pretending to be, but I wouldn’t call light-hearted, either. I’ve no doubt Young thought it was light-hearted, you know, having a bit of shadow banter with his muckers from the parasite class, but no, it is utterly indicative of Young’s obsession with how he is viewed among this class. Like I said, he is an establishment whore.
‘By the way, Toby Young absolutely is obsessed with society and social position – it runs through pretty much all his work. But he’s at least reasonably self-aware about it and has a degree of humility, so that it isn’t as obnoxious as the trait can be. However, imo this site would never have achieved a fraction of what it did without Toby Young’s drive, experience and most importantly his establishment social and work connections. They allowed him to get away with just the right balance of dissent and residual respectability, to attract the right contributors and prevent them being wholly dismissed as fringe.’
I cannot really disagree.
‘He was the right man in the right place at the right time, imo.’
Again, I cannot disagree.
Again, Young deserves absolute credit for this site, and some of his articles and performances in debate have been brilliant, but he needs to give it up and hand it over to one of the proper sceptics among his staff.
It’s his job. He’s a journalist and a pundit. He’s not worried about social credibility here, it’s not the Duke on the phone, it’s the battle of pundits.
That’s muddle-headed. You’re not interacting with my argument at all.
Toby has just confessed to the sin of “human respect,” to considering the opinions of men rather than God to be of utmost importance.
If he keeps abreast of all the rich scientific material linked here btl, he needn’t waste a minute calculating his personal risk. He should have complete confidence he’s made the right choice, moral and medical.
“‘This is the Guardian, we’re running a story about Covidiots who regret not being vaccinated and wondered if you’d like to comment?’ Am I prepared to risk myocarditis to avoid that fate, however unlikely? It’s a very tough decision.”
I really hope that last sentence is very subtle satire Toby.
I’m 54 and got Covid in 2020. And I’m furious. It coincided with one of the few spells of good weather we got in Edinburgh that year. And I lost 2 days in the garden.
Submitting to an unlicensed, incompletely tested experimental injectable with very serious and currently unquantified side effect risks that could plausibly inflict cancer, dementia, disease, or enhanced susceptibility to this and many other viruses because of mere peer pressure is the very worst reason to take it.
Nailed it – peer pressure. Ridiculous!
This article presents data showing that the vaccinated are becoming “infected” at roughly the same rate as the the unvaccinated in Ontario (and have a slightly higher “cases per 100,000” rate). It also shows that the hospitalization rates among the vaccinated are high (75 percent of hospitalizations).
Excerpts:
“Ontario reported January 18 that the fully vaccinated made up 77.8%, or 5,439 cases, of Ontario’s 7,085 Covid cases, and the unvaccinated just 15.3%, or 1,087 cases, of the total number. With 82% of all Ontarians aged 5+ fully vaccinated and 12% unvaccinated, Ontario quadrupled the previous high in cases back in April with 18,445 cases January 1, 2022.
The fully vaccinated are getting infected at a rate of 65.22 per 100,000 cases compared to 54.06 per 100K for the unvaccinated.
Despite clear and indisputable epidemiological evidence showing that the fully vaccinated are driving Ontario’s record wave of cases, the govt and public health continue to undermine their own credibility with the misleading daily messages that Covid-19 vaccines are “the best way out of the pandemic.” The vaccines have failed so miserably that Ontario increased restrictions again January 5, reverting to Step 2 from Step 3 of its reopening plan.
The vaccine is also failing to provide protection against severe outcomes as the vaccinated make up more than 75%, or 2,245 cases, of the 2,984 hospitalizations. The fully vaccinated make up 68.7%, or 2,050 cases, of hospitalizations compared to the 24.8%, or 739 cases, for the unvaccinated. The province continues to try and mislead the public by stating statistics that imply the vaccines are working, for example, the unvaccinated are 3x more likely to end up in hospital. In reality, the only measure of the “vaccine’s” success, or lack of, is that it is failing to keep the fully vaccinated out of the hospital, as touted. Period.
“The vaccinated are also filling up ICUs with 213 of the 408 total cases cases being vaccinated.”
https://brightlightnews.com/fully-vaxxed-still-driving-ontarios-record-wave-of-cases/
The unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU than the vaccinated.
That may partly be because the NHS denies you any treatment for covid until, if you are very unlucky, you become seriously ill, when you will be put on a ventilator and told off for not getting jabbed. That there is a well-tested protocol for early treatment (as proved/researched by Peter McCullough, the Swiss Doctor and many others) has been publicised many times on this site. Another reason is misleading ONS stats, as has been demonstrated e.g. by Prof. Norman Fenton.
As for the MMR vaccine, no comment, except to say that the whole history of vaccination since its beginnings in the mid 19th century should give cause for doubting that any vaccine can improve on the innate immune system. See the lecture by Ray Obomsawin at:
https://pennybutler.com/vaccine-lies-forever/
The Daily Sceptic should be challenging the mindless vilification of the anti-vaccine position at its core.
From as early as the 1st lockdown, I already knew the whole thing was a fraud labelled officially as Agenda 21-30.
I never believed the Chinese Communist Party’s propaganda with videos showing random people collapsing in public, apparantly struck down by a killer disease. Amazing that no such thing happened anywhere else in the world during this terrible ‘pandemic’.
When the Great Reset was announced, that helped build a whole picture of their intentions. So it wasn’t a surprise when global governments started banging on about Build Back Better then installing the Social Credit System.
We knew the jab was not just for the vulnerable and we knew hotels would become quarantine hell. We knew the jab would become a mandate and we knew it would kill many people (the extent of this is yet to be known) and injure so many more.
Absolutely nothing has, and nothing will, persuade me to be injected by a supposed treatment for a virus/disease that has not been proven to exist.
Well said J4mes
‘He didn’t give a source for the one in 150 figure, ‘
Because there isn’t one!
Lest we forget how serious ‘the pandemic’ was (and… still is!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JaIMfHIRZc
Even if it was just myocarditis risk, I’d rather stand on stage naked and have the whole world laugh at me, than take their
bioweapontransfection willingly.Well, Tobes, I’m an absolute nobody, so I have full freedom of action and no such scruples.
Glad you didn’t do it, though.
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Ha! She’s awesome!
Toby thinks the majority of ICU admissions are non-injected. Sorry Toby, you are wrong https://metatron.substack.com/p/icu-admissions-by-covid-19-vaccination
What has kept this bandwagon rolling on for nearly two years is the ‘but what if …’ principle and this is a case in point.
It’s called the Precautionary Principle and it’s the cancer in our Scientific Method
No, it is called comparing risks and taking chances based on all available evidence, which means deciding to take the smaller risk – unlike a clueless moron who is just “hoping for the best” in complete denial of reality.
What has kept it rolling is greed and ruthlessness.
If it precautionary had any part in it pregnant women and children would not be being pressured to take the experimental medical product.
‘I know, I know. My chances of being hospitalised, let alone put on a ventilator, were low, assuming it was Omicron. But what if it wasn’t? Or what if it was and I just got unlucky? I could picture the newspaper headline: “Unvaccinated lockdown sceptic in intensive care with severe Covid.” It wouldn’t be long before the BBC’s Clive Myrie was standing at the end of my bed, microphone in hand, asking me how I felt about not being jabbed.’
Young is captivated by the establishment. He can’t help but drop names. It’s not the thought of being in intensive care that worries him; it’s being made to look bad by the parasites he’s conditioned himself to admire/aspire to emulate.
I’m sorry, but ultimately, Young is an establishment whore.
‘This, for me, is the best argument against remaining unvaccinated. Not the risk of being in ICU and left ‘prematurely aged’ or worse, but the absolute certainty that if that happened I would be ridiculed mercilessly by my enemies.’
Do I even need to explicate this? It’s astonishingly pathetic.
‘[Y]ou can bet your bottom dollar that if I was hospitalised with the virus I would be branded a “leading anti-vaxxer” and pilloried accordingly. In the eyes of the vaccine enthusiasts, anyone who expresses the slightest smidgen of doubt is a science-denying ‘conspiracy theorist’ and if they’re laid low by COVID-19 that’s divine justice.’
Wow. Forget the relative insignificance of this virus. Forget its negligible IFR. Forget the fact that this pseudo vaccine is novel, experimental and untested (yes, according to traditional protocol, it is untested, i.e. it is by definition not properly tested). No. What matters is how these parasites would view him. Truth can go hang. The fact that his being hospitalised would not negate the objective argumentation can go hang. No. He’d look bad in the eyes of parasites. That’s what concerns this man.
Let me be clear. Young deserves absolute credit for this site, and some of his articles and performances in debate have been brilliant. No question. However, in my sincere opinion, he needs to give this site up and hand it over to one of the proper sceptics among his staff.
Surely the founder of this website, before proclaiming he’s had Covid twice, should be completely sure it was Covid. What does Covid mean? What were the means by which he arrived at this conclusion?
According to Peter McCullough, who has the most published research in this field and is responsible for the most successful early treatment protocols, it’s a “false narrative” that you can catch Covid twice.
Surely the archetype of the Sceptic, the founder of the DAILY Sceptic, should be a bit more sceptical of his Covid self-diagnosis and discuss it with other sceptical doctors in the field?
On the other hand Robert Malone says his wife got it twice symptomatically.
Come on guys, Toby’s work on this site is an inspiration! I am very grateful for the Daily Skeptic. But in my opinion, just let the fear go; fear of the disease, fear of being mocked etc. Get the jab if you want. It’s a free country (?!). But at least by not being jabbed one gets to choose one way of not dying. And for some that may be enough, whatever the probabilities.
I wondered right back at the start of this but more so when I found this site, if we are wrong, surely we will see it in the comments. The sceptics will, I pondered, by not masking and social distancing will begin dropping like flies. They would surely be the most exposed cohort of the lot.
I can’t recall much of that kind of story here or the bastard son of this site on reddit. One or two got it rough, one I remember ended up in hospital. Some, not many, knew somebody who knew somebody who died with Covid.
It’s not happened. If there was a pandemic, it seems the sceptics are immune. Toby seems to be having a wobble and, somehow, manages to get it into print in national publication. Definitely not worth reading in full.
Glad he’s holding his ground but this isn’t the epic it’s painted as.
Confess I haven’t ‘read this in full’, but I did google Ed West to see how come his views on jabbing might carry any weight. Turns out that his credentials ain’t all that in this field. Scribbling for the Catholic Herald and Unherd, or the Torygraph or the Speccie for that matter, doesn’t really cut it for me. I’m sure he’s a very nice man, though.
Has Mr Young not read anything that’s published on his site? This really is complete drivel. Or perhaps it’s meant to be a joke and I’ve completely missed the point?
I don’t bother with articles reinforcing the foundation myth of these failed experimental drugs as ‘vaccines’.
Sorry if some think this unfair, but this piece reads like it was written by someone who desperately wants the whole Covid sham to be true.
Anyway, you don’t “catch” Covid; Covid is a disease caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus (allegedly).
Presumably you knew you ‘had’ Covid as the result of a PCR, or LFD, test, and not diagnosed in a hospital by a doctor, the diagnosis confirmed by x-ray; am I correct?
PCR and LFD tests don’t tell you if you have Covid; this is just another lie spread by the Government and the MSM. The tests (allegedly) tell you if you have the virus, NOT the disease.
What complete bollocks!
You need to start reading your colleagues’ posts, Toby.
Toby had an antibody test after his first bout of suspected covid, which confirmed he had antibodies for it, so it’s pretty certain he had it the first time.
In which case it tweaks the sums quite a lot – after all, there should be even less of a reason to use the so- called “vaccine”, even after the short-term antibodies have been chucked out.
MOH is now several days out of hospital, having been admitted because of covid, and not for some other reason.
MOH is 70 years old, with poorly controlled diabetes, and was therefore in a higher risk category, and has still not been vaccinated.
It was touch and go early last week, and the confirmed Omicron infection was serious, not “just a cold,” and there were moments where I did question whether we had made the right decision to remain unvaccinated. I also had it, and while it wasn’t anywhere near as bad, it was less than the flu for, but definitely worse than a cold. It was unpleasant, but never life-threatening for me.
For someone of Toby’s age, I would not expect him to end up in hospital, let alone the ITU, unless he has serious underlying health issues he’s not admitted to.
One of the reasons for us not getting vaccinated was the experience of a friend of our who suffered from serious blood clots following the AZ jab last year, and another friend who had a minor stroke.
https://www.birpublications.org/doi/10.1259/bjrcr.20210139
Bilateral adrenal haemorrhage with renal infarction after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 AstraZeneca vaccination
Very glad to hear YOH lives to fight another day!
But I guess those in their seventies are rarely admitted to hospital for only one reason (i.e. Omicron, as you say)? Nobody – at least, no-one sensible – is trying to claim that flu is never enough of an extra load to overcome that person’s defenses, i.e. “the straw which breaks the camel’s back.”
It seems quite harsh to say it, but people must die – imagine what the world would look like if people were not allowed to die?
Respectfully yours – I believe you have done the right thing not being “vaccinated”. Your natural protection is far superior to these experimental mRNA drugs! And they will never strictly be anything other than experimental, because the tests are being conducted in an entirely uncontrolled fashion. Soon, the drug companies will be crying out for the help and cooperation of the Scientific Control Group (i.e. the “unvaccinated”)!
Toby, sorry to break it to you, they aren’t vaccines.
I guess I wont be the only to comment, ridicule will be forgotten in a few weeks, the injection stays with you for the rest of your – now maybe shortened – life.
Today’s newspaper is tomorrows fish wrapper.
But I guess the internet does not forget, so in 10 years time, he could still be ridiculed? I guess I do not know what people who are “famous” have to consider when conducting life “in public” and how bad it is for “your mental health”, or do I just say, in this case, you are a snowflake!
Toby – thanks for the website. But sometimes, as articulately explained by multiple other commenters, you really speak out of your arse.
Take a break.
Hell, Toby, ridiculing you is what your enemies are for. Get stronger from it! Never mind the fever dream of a BBC devil with a mic at the end of your hospital bed. There will be 10 of those wretches in every dream you have if you submit to being “vaccinated”
I write this as somebody who thinks your views on eugenics and the “blueprint” are a steaming pile of sh*te.
Glad to hear you recovered. Stay strong and healthy!
I saw this over on gab, source unknown. I think it sums things up the state of play with ‘vaccines’ very succinctly:
[“Among all the vaccines I have known in my life (diphtheria, tetanus,measles, rubella, chickenpox,hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis), I want to also add flu and pneumonia. I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask and maintain my social distance, even when you are fully vaccinated. I had never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination. I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated. I never saw discrimination for those who didn’t. If you haven’t been vaccinated no one has tried to make you feel like a bad person. I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends. I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or school. I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent. After all the vaccines I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society as it is. And as the social fabric tightens… It’s a powerful vaccine! It does all these things except IMMUNIZATION. If we still need a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to get a negative test after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to wear a mask after we are fully vaccinated, and still be hospitalized after we have been fully vaccinated, it will likely come to “It’s time for us to admit that we’ve been completely deceived.”]
Do you think Toby is more embarrassed about being labelled a “porn-addict”, a “eugenicist” or an “anti-vaxxer”?
Because I think it’s only the people he wants to impress that would label him all three.
That’s showbiz, Mr Young.
Don’t get twitchy. The numbers in ICU are minute.
Or as Bret Weinstein puts his reluctance to get vaccinated against Covid: “Not this disease, not these vaccines, not these health authorities.”
I’ve taken every vaccine I’ve been advised to take including Flu so I resent being called an “anti-vaxxer” for point-blank refusing to take these jabs which are not, as I always point out, vaccines.
The basic fact of them is that a) they do not work b) Even the “protection” they are said to give is not proven c) You can still catch or pass on Covid. Then of course there is the really major point: once it is in your arm it invades every cell in your body and you can never remove it.
For me the fact they are untested, very unlikely to ever be fully approved and they cannot be undone is way more than enough to convince me I am right. When these things are proven to kill people over time I shall allow myself a wry smile.
So you almost gave up on your principles for fear not of death but of embarrassment.
We really are a peculiar species.
Not really peculiar for a paranoid person suffering from inferiority complex and outwardly inflated ego, which I think is a pretty representative diagnosis of an average anti-vaxxer.
Toby Young is an odd chap. Two years int to this ridiculous charade, he still thinks clever data anlaysts can come up with reliable percentage risk assessments about Covid-19. They cannot, for the simple reason that using any/all available covid data is pointless because none of it is actually true.
The only way of looking at this is to ask one simple question: Does Covid-19 kill or seriously affect healthy people of any age? The answer to that is no, it does not.
If it did, there would be a large percentage of dead people amongst the demographic consisting of tens-of-millions healthy Brits.
But there is no large percentage. Indeed there is no percentage at all. Covid-19 presents a zero threat to the healthy of any age. It really is as simple that.
How do you know you had the Rona @tobyyoung ? One of those PCR things?
you had a cold and we used to get ill before and will do so in the future.
Toby Young. You’ve had, what we used to call a ‘cold’, or ‘flu’. Do what you’ve always done to get better, unless you get a visceral thrill from playing Russian roulette with an experimental gene therapy, then you will be in ICU.
Well, I’m 62 and hubby is a robust 70. We chose to not get vaccinated and the articles in Sceptics have, over the last 22 months, just confirmed to us we have made the right choice.
While I sympathise with anyone in the unpleasant situation of being publicly pilloried for being hospitalised when unvaccinated, FEARING this POSSIBILITY is NO reason for getting the jab.
It’s tantamount to saying, ‘I’ll get jabbed in case I get covid.’
Fear is always a lie and should never control us.
Toby should take the Daily Sceptic’s own posted article here, to heart.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/01/20/natural-immunity-superior-to-vaccine-immunity-cdc-study-finds/
Hold your line Toby – I’m in the same demographic, health, vaccination and familial “boat” as you and had Covid (1st timer!) end of November – mild to medium cold for 5 days and then gone. Two positive LFTs, no PCR. I then rather generously (and inadvertently) passed it on to one of my sons and my wife. My wife laid on the sofa for a week watching Netflix and drinking lesbian teas; my son had a cold for a day and then moaned about boredom for 9 more.
During that time, I too had the same doubts, fears and quandaries as yourself – I’m only human, I have frailties and weaknesses. I’d spent 20 months campaigning against this madness – including vaccines – and now I had the deadliest widespread disease known “man”, an extinction level event without intervention, an existential threat to all life without big pharma. And I’m unprotected!!!!!
But my biggest fear was actually going into hospital, not because of my mocking detractors, but that hospitalization would push my wife – works for the NHS, double vaxxed – to disregard my vaccination decision for our 10 and 12 year old boys. I don’t get my way with many aspects of my marriage, but not jabbing the lads was uneasily accepted by my wife.
I sit here near the end of Jan and feel absolutely, completely relieved that my short-lived adventure into the land of the vaxxed was actually short-lived. A calm, objective, clear-headed examination of the UK, US and Israeli data once again shows me that *this* vaccine provides me with scant benefit, but tangible risk.
Hold your line Toby – don’t get onto the vaccination carousel.
But that’s my opinion only, and I respect other’s decisions!
here here
Where? Where?
For what it’s worth, I’m fairly sure I’ve had the virus three times since March 2020. I’m assuming I had the original variant back in March 2020, albiet relatively mildly. Tiredness and croaky voice for 10 days, lost of taste and smell. It wasn’t nice, but it wasn’t the worst thing ever.
Fast forward to November last year, I appear to have got the delta variant. This time it hit me harder. Fever, cough, somewhat laboured breathing (although I could have been hyperventilating), alongside lost of taste and smell. And then a strange UTI and a course of antibiotics after recovering from it, which I wonder was related at all…
Fast forward to now – I recently got back from a trip abroad. Came down with a slight sore throat and tested positive for covid with a PCR a few days after getting home, although lateral flow tests were all negative. My test was from Monday, so assuming today is day 5 – I can say gratefully that it’s been very mild and seems to be more consistent with reports on Omricom.
Interestingly no nasal congestion, and not much fatigue. Dry cough occasionally and a bit of a sore throat and some mild chills that have come and gone occasionally. Perhaps because I had covid recently this time it hasn’t been so bad?
As of today, my symptoms seem to have mostly disappeared thankfully (so far). After my experience in November, I was somewhat anxious to be honest (who wants to feel terrible for 7-10 days?), but this appears to be a completely different beast.
From my experience then, it appears that we don’t have immunity for all variants after a single infection. At least not all of us. Although, it may be the case that infection does reduce severity. Hence my brush with Omnicom has been on par with a mild cold after recently getting delta. Although it doesn’t explain how my second time was worse then my first. Either way, after getting through all of these infections, I’m less concerned about covid, and I’m more confident that my body has built up a level of knowledge / immunity about this virus.
Finally, I’m unvaccinated and not planning to change course. Although my position has always been – if I feel that the reward is clearly better then the risk – I’m open to taking a vaccine – as far as Im concerned, we’re not at that point yet and with the whole episode closing out, it appears that any ‘reward’ for taking any vaccine by this point is becoming increasingly illusive.
I agree, if the benefit outweighs the risk then I would also consider it as I also had covid last year and my partner was in the ICU with it for days.
However, I am still sceptical over if its necessary after already having a covid, and if it would compromise my immunity. We would also never be ‘fully’ vaccinated as the timescale for 2 jabs + 6 month booster would likely mean its unnecessary now we’re ‘hopefully’ towards the end of the **** show.
Completely agreed. It’s a funny beast as it seems that many have different experiences which shape their beliefs on it and I respect people’s decisions to be vaccinated if they want to be.
The sad thing is how many of the vaccinated feel it is their right to condemn the unvaccinated as stupid or selfish. Many have indeed been brainwashed and family / friends are completely under the BBC narrative spell.
Certainly at this point we can be grateful that things are looking up and I think the whole vaccination crusade will start to peter out along with the pandemic / endemic as the whole thing becomes more managable..
I remain humble after the past few years though, it would just take a new variant / virus for this whole horror show to restart.
All I want to know is when will China begin to pay reparations and take responsibility for all this?
China won’t because responsibility lies with Fauci and the US.
I was in a similar positions last Feb, my partner tested positive and feel very ill, unable to do anything.
While I maintained my scepticism on these new vaccines and the risk with covid, my 30 year old partner was in intensive care for 5 days on mask oxygen.
I however, just lost my sense of taste for a few hours while looking after our 2 kids.
She had developed sepsis which had caused her to become so ill.
I am still in the same boat regarding coivd being overstated and stand by the data on these vaccines doing very little for most and lockdowns making deaths worse, but everyday I find myself wondering if we made the correct choice.
I would like to add, after having covid, we have not changed our way of life and continue to live normally and apart from a recent brush with a common cold, we seem must have an excellent degree of immunity.
And 20 weeks later, your 3 jabs (because that’s what is now required) will have zero efficacy.
Fancy a fourth? How about a fifth? To potentially save embarrassment?
No-one is immortal. the best “vaccine” is to look after your own health. Lose weight; eat a decent diet; exercise; develop a decent sleep pattern; take Vit C, D, Zinc and (in the winter months) Echinacea.
Strange principles to live by, but that’s journalism for you.
Was TY ‘prompted’ to write this article by ‘others’ to promote a questioning stance vis a vis the partaking of the ‘vaccines’? The piece holds him up to ridicule on several levels. Further, are DS readers meant ( or ‘they’ hope they will) reconsider their views because TY has personal doubts/concerns? Do the ‘others’ believe he has that much influence? Obviously posts below are critical and acknowledge at the same time the huge value of the site. Has the article come as booster uptake dries up? We won’t ever know but because of the past 22 months of egregious and blatant misinformation spewed out in many media outlets, it is difficult not to question!
And what if I were run over by a bus if I tried to cross the road?
And what about the word ”unvaccinated” that’s now used to mean two-jabbed? And the ones ”more likely” to end up in ICU within the first two weeks after a jab, known as the unjabbed?
And those in their 50s – how many have comorbidities, or are/were obese?
And how about the argument that this is still an unlicensed drug, and no-one knows anything about its future effects, let alone its immediate ones?
And if you know you had ”It” why would you want a jab? And anyway, how did you know it wasn’t flu?
So many questions…..
I am simply amazed that, given all that is now out there and all that we now know, from so many honest and trusted medical and scientific authorities, those not sponsored by Gates, that supposed intelligent people are still taking seriously and even swallowing the official narrative by playing the prescribed game they have so obviously prepared for us.
Simply amazed. Conformity is so obviously a very powerful force against reason.
Reason doesn’t infect everyone with its dangerous tentacles.
But yes: we were wrong to rate people higher than conformists.
They just cannot SEE anything wrong.
Get yourself an El Salvador covid kit. You will be fine.
Anyone else read about vaccination centres closing due to criminal investigations by police?
I recommend everyone to read Real Anthony Fauci by Bobby Kennedy Jr. On chapther 3 he explains how Ivermectin could have saved 80 percent of deaths Worldwide. This book have opened my eyes. I now know that, 90% of all medicine is not for anything else than profit for them. Low profit and effective medicines are bashed and marketed as ineffective because they go against their narrative and profit plans. One of them is wonder drug Ivermectin. I see that everyday people search for it but can’t find a place to obtain. You can get yours by visiting https://ivmpharmacy.com
Your answer to Clive Myrie would be “My blog is ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ not ‘Vaccine Sceptics’ so shove that microphone up your arse”
Toby here is some good advice – stop worrying about what wankers think. All these people – these jabbed enemies who want to drag you down into their cesspit of lies and fraudulent science and brainwashing and fear based on the word of criminals – are morons who are generally deficient in spirituality and connection to God. There is no sound reason for you to sacrifice your body to the devil and his latest scam. Theoretical arguments based on what would have happened is the same warped thinking that believes the work of Neil Ferguson is valuable. Severe respiratory illness is horrific and can be up there with the worst experiences in life. If you were to theoretically get ill, the most worrying thing as we have learned from John O Looney is that the British State will try to coerce you into taking Remdesevir or being ventilated – in other words they may do things that decrease your chances of survival. You are part of a movement which wants to see the best and cheapest and most effective treatments every time – not our people turned into Human2.0 labrats for the provably criminal pharma cartel and governemnt stooges getting backhanders or acting out of fear and coercion. The NHS is COMPLETELY CORRUPTED. We need a new normal and a complete overhaul of healthcare which puts things like food knowledge at the top of the priority list – the opposite of what we have now. This genetic bullshit they are peddling is PURE EVIL