As a young medical student, I admired Tony Fauci. I bought and read Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine, a vital textbook that Fauci co-edited. In reading his new memoir, On Call, I remembered why I admired him. His concern about his patients’ plights, especially HIV patients, comes through clearly.
Unfortunately, Fauci’s memoir omits vital details about his failures as an administrator, an adviser to politicians and a key figure in America’s public health response to infectious disease threats over the past 40 years. His life story is a Greek tragedy. Fauci’s evident intelligence and diligence are why the country and the world expected so much of him, but his hubris caused his failure as a public servant.
It is impossible to read Fauci’s memoir and not believe he was genuinely moved by the plight of AIDS patients. Since the first time he learned of the illness from a puzzling and alarming case report, his laudable ambition has been to conquer the disease with drugs and vaccines, cure every patient and wipe the syndrome from the face of the earth. He is both sincere and correct when he writes that “history will judge us harshly if we don’t end HIV”.
When an aide in 1985 offered to quit when he contracted AIDS for fear of scandal at Fauci’s beloved National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Fauci hugged him, declaring “Jim, you crazy son of a bitch, there is no way in the world I would ever let you go”. This was Fauci at his best.
But Fauci paints an incomplete picture of his attitude toward AIDS patients in its early days. In 1983, in response to a case report of an infant with AIDS published in The Journal of the American Medical Association, Fauci told the press that AIDS might be spread by routine household contact. There was no good evidence then and is none now to suggest that HIV is transmitted that way. But Fauci’s statement, prominently echoed in the media, panicked the American people, almost certainly leading many to physically shun AIDS patients out of an unfounded fear of catching the disease.
Fauci does not address this incident, so one is left to speculate about why he was attracted to this theory. One possibility is that there was little political support for government spending on AIDS when the public thought it only affected gay men. As the public came to understand AIDS impacted broader populations, such as hemophiliacs and IV drug users, public support for funding HIV research expanded.
Fauci was tremendously successful in eventually building public support for Government spending on treating and trying to prevent the spread of AIDS. Likely no other scientist in history moved more money and resources to accomplish a scientific and medical goal than Fauci, and his memoir proves he was highly skilled in managing bureaucracy and getting his way both from politicians and from an activist movement that was at first highly sceptical about him. (One prominent AIDS activist, playwright Larry Kramer, once called Fauci a murderer.)
Fauci’s response to activist criticism was to build relationships and use them as a tool to push for more Government funding. Fauci’s activist allies seemed to understand the game, staging attacks on Fauci, both playing their part to gain more money for HIV research.
By contrast, his treatment of scientific critics is harsh, crossing lines that federal science bureaucrats should not cross. In 1991, when University of California, Berkeley, professor and wunderkind cancer biologist Peter Duesberg put forward a (false) hypothesis that the virus, HIV, is not the cause of AIDS, Fauci did everything in his power to destroy him. In his memoir, Fauci writes about debating Duesberg, writing papers and giving talks to counter his ideas. But Fauci did more, isolating Duesberg, destroying his reputation in the press, and making him a pariah in the scientific community. Though Fauci was right and Duesberg wrong about the scientific question, the scientific community learned it was dangerous to cross Fauci.
Fauci’s HIV record is mixed. The great news is that, because of tremendous advances in treatment, a diagnosis of HIV is no longer the death sentence it was in the 1980s or 1990s. Fauci claims credit in his memoir, pointing out that the NIAID developed a clinical trial network that made it easier for researchers at pharmaceutical companies to conduct randomised studies of the effectiveness of HIV medications. But any competent National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director would have directed NIAID resources this way.
Furthermore, many in the HIV community have criticised Fauci for not using this network to test treatment ideas developed within the community — especially off-patent medications. Fauci is more reasonable when he takes credit for the 2003 creation of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief program (PEPFAR), through which the U.S. sent effective HIV medications to several African nations.
Despite billions of dollars spent on the task, no one to date has produced an effective HIV vaccine or a definitive cure, and the virus remains a threat to the health and well-being of the world population. By Fauci’s own high standard, there is still a long way to go.
In the early days of the war on terror, Fauci became head of civilian biodefence, with the mandate to develop and stockpile countermeasures to biowarfare agents. This appointment made Fauci one of the most well-paid and powerful figures in the U.S. Government. Fauci leveraged his deep knowledge of the federal bureaucracy, streamlining federal contracting rules to issue “sole source contracts” and “rapid research grants” to create constituencies of companies and scientists who depended on Fauci for their success.
In 2005, avian flu emerged and spread among birds, chickens and livestock. Also spreading were worries that the virus could evolve to become more transmissible among human beings. Fauci deployed NIAID money to develop an avian flu vaccine, leading the Government to stockpile tens of millions of ultimately unused and unnecessary doses.
At this point, virologists persuaded Fauci’s NIAID to support dangerous scientific lab experiments designed to make the avian flu virus more easily transmissible among humans.
In 2011, NIAID-funded scientists in Wisconsin and the Netherlands succeeded. They published their results in a prestigious scientific journal, so that anyone with the knowledge and resources could replicate their steps. They effectively weaponised the avian flu virus and shared the recipe with the world, with Fauci and his agency in full support.
The idea behind this gain-of-function research was that we would learn which pathogens might leap into human beings, and that knowing that would help scientists develop vaccines and treatments for these prospective possible pandemics. Fauci, writing to molecular biologists in 2012, downplayed the possibility that laboratory workers or scientists studying these dangerous pathogens might cause the pandemic they were working to prevent.
He also argued that the risk of such an accident was worth it:
In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario — however remote — should the initial experiments have been performed and or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision? Scientists working in this field might say — as indeed I have said — that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.
The NIH did pause funding gain-of-function work aimed at increasing germs’ pathogenicity. The pause didn’t last long, though. In the waning days of the Obama administration, the Government implemented a bureaucratic process to permit NIH and NIAID to fund gain-of-function work again. Fauci played a pivotal behind-the-scenes role in reversing the pause, but his memoir provides almost no information about what he did. This is a gaping, telling hole, given the subsequent history with COVID-19.
Among the projects Fauci and the NIAID funded during these years was research to identify coronaviruses in the wild and bring them into laboratories to study their potential for causing a human pandemic. The work encompassed laboratories worldwide. Fauci’s organisation funded an American outfit, EcoHealth Alliance, which worked with scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
In his memoir, Fauci goes out of his way to deny that any NIH money went to any activities that might have led to the creation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes Covid. When Sen. Rand Paul (R, Ky.) in July 2021 confronted Fauci with the possibility that Fauci’s NIAID had funded this work, Fauci resorted to cheap debate tactics to obfuscate his and the NIH’s responsibility in supporting this work. It is undeniable that Fauci championed pathogen enhancement for a decade or more.
While the molecular biological and genetic evidence for a laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2 is strong, many virologists disagree. (Their entire field would come under a cloud were it true, and many virologists’ careers have been generously supported by Fauci’s NIAID.) The debate on this topic rages on. A review of Fauci’s memoir is not the place to settle the dispute.
But in judging Fauci’s record as a scientist and a bureaucrat, it’s worth knowing that in 2020, Fauci and his boss, Francis Collins, failed to empanel public discussions and debates on this vital topic. Instead, they created an environment where any scientist voicing the lab-leak hypothesis came under a cloud of suspicion, accused of advancing unfounded conspiracy theories. As with Duesberg, Fauci sought to destroy the careers of dissenting scientists.
In his memoir, Fauci writes of a “Right-wing… smear campaign [that] soon boiled over into conspiracy theories”. He asserts, “One of the most appalling examples of this was the allegation, without a shred of evidence, that an NIAID grant to the EcoHealth Alliance with a sub-grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China funded research that caused the COVID pandemic.”
But in Congressional testimony in 2024, Fauci denied that he had called the idea of a lab leak a conspiracy theory: “Actually, I’ve also been very, very clear and said multiple times that I don’t think the ‘concept’ of there being a lab leak is inherently a conspiracy theory.”
This self-serving denial makes a lawyerly distinction between the possibility of a lab origin of the Covid pandemic and the NIH’s funding of EcoHealth Alliance to work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology on coronaviruses. These are neither “Right-wing” nor “conspiracy theories”, and the likelihood of a connection between the two is, for good reason, the subject of active bipartisan congressional investigation.
Fauci was quick to gather all the glory of administrative achievements like PEPFAR to himself while decrying any possibility of blame for the origin of Covid. But if he is responsible for the consequences of one (the millions of Africans saved because of PEPFAR), he is responsible for the consequences of the other. This includes the tens of millions who have died due to the Covid pandemic and the catastrophically harmful lockdowns used to manage it. This is Fauci at his worst.
By any measure, the American Covid response was a catastrophic failure. More than 1.2 million deaths have been attributed to Covid itself, and deaths from all causes have stayed high long after the number of Covid deaths themselves diminished. In many states, particularly blue states, children were kept out of school for a year and a half or longer, with devastating effects on their learning and future health and prosperity.
Coercive policy regarding Covid vaccination, recommended by Fauci on the false premise that vaccinated people could not get or spread the virus, collapsed public trust in other vaccines and led the media and public health officials to gaslight individuals who had suffered legitimate vaccine injuries. To pay for the lockdowns recommended by Fauci, the U.S. Government spent trillions of dollars, causing high unemployment in the most locked-down states and a hangover of higher prices for consumer goods that continues to this day. Who is to blame?
Fauci served as a key adviser to both President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden, and was a central figure on Trump’s Covid task force that determined federal policy. If Fauci has no responsibility for the outcomes of the pandemic, nobody does. Yet in his memoir’s chapters on Covid, he simultaneously takes credit for advising leaders while disclaiming any responsibility for policy failures.
Fauci implausibly writes that he “was not locking down the country” and “had no power to control anything”. These statements are belied by Fauci’s own bragging about his influence on a host of policy responses, including convincing Trump to lock the country down in March 2020 and extend the lockdown in April.
He discusses the extended closure of schools, now almost universally seen as a bad idea, in the passive voice, as if the virus caused the school closures on its own. In Congressional testimony in 2020, Fauci exaggerated the harm to children from getting infected with Covid, instilling fear in parents that their kids might suffer from a rare complication of Covid infection if they sent them to school. It is impossible not to recall Fauci exaggerating the risk of children contracting HIV from casual contact.
In May 2020, Fauci said that schools should reopen, conditional on “the landscape of infection with regard to testing”. But he also recommended six-foot social distancing, based on no evidence — a policy that made it nearly impossible to open schools. Fauci opposed churches holding services and mass, even outdoors, despite the lack of evidence that the disease spread there. His memoir provides little detail about the scientific data he relied on to support these policies.
All this background makes his discussion of the Great Barrington Declaration all the more galling. The declaration is a short policy document I wrote along with Martin Kulldorff (then of Harvard University) and Sunetra Gupta (of the University of Oxford) in October 2020.
Motivated by recognising that the lethality and hospitalisation risk from Covid was 1,000 times lower in younger populations than in older, the document had two recommendations: (1) focused protection of vulnerable older populations, and (2) lifting lockdowns and reopening schools. It balanced the harms of the lockdowns against the risks of the disease in a way that recognised that Covid was not the only threat to human well-being and that the lockdowns themselves did considerable harm.
Fauci denigrates the Great Barrington Declaration as being filled with “fake signatures”, though FOIAd emails from the era make it clear he knew tens of thousands of prominent scientists, doctors and epidemiologists had co-signed it. In his memoir, he repeats a propaganda talking point about the declaration, falsely claiming the document called for letting the virus “rip”. In reality, it called for better protection of vulnerable elderly people.
Fauci asserted it was impossible to “sequester to protect the vulnerable” while simultaneously calling for the whole world to sequester for his lockdowns. His rhetoric about the Great Barrington Declaration poisoned the well of scientific consideration of our ideas. With brass-knuckle tactics, he won the policy fight, and many states locked down in late 2020 and into 2021.
The virus spread anyway.
Fauci does not mention the success of Swedish Covid policy, which eschewed lockdowns and instead — after some early errors — focused on protection of the vulnerable. Swedish all-cause excess death rates in the Covid era are among the lowest in Europe and much lower than American all-cause excess deaths. The Swedish health authorities never recommended closing schools for children 16 and under, and Swedish children, unlike American children, have no learning loss.
If lockdowns were necessary to protect the population, as Fauci claims, Swedish outcomes should have been worse than American ones. Even within the United States, locked-down California had worse all-cause excess deaths numbers and economic outcomes than Florida, which opened in the summer of 2020. It is shocking that Fauci still does not seem to know these facts.
Near the end of his memoir, Fauci writes that by March 2022, he knew “there would not be a clear end to the pandemic”; the world would need to learn to “live indefinitely with COVID”. He reasons that “perhaps the vaccine and prior infection had created a degree of background immunity”. This is as close as he comes in the book to admitting error.
A part of me cannot help but admire Fauci, but the extent of damage caused by his hubris gets in the way. He once told an interviewer, “If you are trying to get at me as a public health official and a scientist, you’re really attacking not only Dr. Anthony Fauci, you’re attacking science. … Science and the truth are being attacked.” Despite his career accomplishments, no one should give any man, much less Fauci, credit for being the embodiment of science itself.
If Fauci’s goal in writing this memoir is to guide how historians write about him toward the positive, I do not think he succeeded. He will be remembered as a consequential figure for his contributions to the American approach to the HIV and Covid pandemics. But he will also be remembered as a cautionary tale of what can happen when too much power is invested in a single person for far too long.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is a physician, epidemiologist and health economist. He is Professor at Stanford Medical School, a Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economics Research, a Senior Fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research, a Faculty Member at the Stanford Freeman Spogli Institute and a Fellow at the Academy of Science and Freedom. He is a Co-Author of the Great Barrington Declaration. This article was first published on his Substack page, the Illusion of Consensus, and also appeared in Brownstone Journal.
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He said he was “the science”. Doesn’t mean that’s what he really thought. I doubt he’s that stupid – au contraire he stayed at the top in a cut-throat world for a long time, and as the “science” quote shows, he knew very well how to deflect criticism.
This is not correct.
“Despite billions of dollars spent on the task, no one to date has produced an effective HIV vaccine or a definitive cure”
See the trailer to The Society for Independent Investigative Journalism’s documentary “The Cost of Denial”.
In the mid-1980s a successful protocol was developed. Of nearly 2,000 patients treated none died. No vaccines required. No harmful drugs required.
They all returned to health and lived normal lives.
The problem? This went against the narrative of the time promoted by Dr Anthony Fauci who held the purse strings for AIDS research. He claimed the ill health and over 30 different conditions were all caused by the Hi virus with no other factors.
The funding was cut and the programme was shut down.
If you want to listen to or download the documentary “The Cost of Denial” as a podcast it is played by Dr Gary Null on The Progressive Commentary Hour 9 April 2024.
Also available to buy as a DVD here The Cost of Denial
Not to mention all the excellent investigative journalism by Celia Farber and others. See countless articles in TCW.
Suppressed truth in favour of state and pharma published promoted and sponsored misinformation and disinformation.
Which is of course the only kind permitted when anything contradictory of course cannot possibly be correct, can it?
Celia Farber is an Editorial Advisor to the The Society for Independent Investigative Journalism.
What is “not correct”?
This is not correct.
“Despite billions of dollars spent on the task, no one to date has produced an effective HIV vaccine or a definitive cure”
Please read first and shoot after.
“Despite billions of dollars spent on the task, no one to date has produced an effective HIV vaccine or a definitive cure”
I didn’t write this.
That is obvious to anyone who read your post.
And it is obvious to anyone who read the article that it is stated in the article by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.
But not obvious to anyone who did not read it.
QED.
Not sure what you’ve demonstrated. You replied to my post regarding what Fauci says vs what he thinks by saying “This is not correct”. Seemed like a non-sequitur to me, but maybe I am being dense.
I have demonstrated this is not correct.
“Despite billions of dollars spent on the task, no one to date has produced an effective HIV vaccine or a definitive cure”
rachel.c gets it.
You replied to my comment saying “This is not correct”. But you’re talking about something else in the article, so I am not sure why you are replying to my comment.
Fine. I can live with that.
An interesting article. Thanks.
I stopped reading when the author revealed his ignorance about the manufactured AIDS scamdemic. A template for the Rona fascism. Fauci was and is a criminal. As simple as that.
“Though Fauci was right and Duesberg wrong about the scientific question, the scientific community learned it was dangerous to cross Fauci.”
Author’s real name is clueless.
Indeed, I too was disappointted at the blind belief of the author that HIV causes AIDS. I will remind those agreeing with Dr Jay that Deusberg’s paper was never formally challenged, credibly critiqued or debunked. I recommend every reader of the DS pages to dive into the history of AIDS, starting here:
https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/47/5/1199/492213/Retroviruses-as-Carcinogens-and-Pathogens
I’ve moved a long way away from the establishment narratives and I don’t agree with Jay Bhattacharya on a lot of what he says because he is still quite “establishment” minded and I don’t think he has quite grasped (or can yet quite believe) the full extent of the corruption of our institutions. However he is an extremely learned and sincere man. He has genuine deep expertise in his chosen subject. He was one of the original and most prominent signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration (along with Martin Kuldorf and Sunetra Gupta) and had they been listened to, we would not have had the disaster that took place. So for the fact he was there, most prominently saying the right things right from the beginning, makes him something of a hero in my eyes. He is very softly spoken, deeply intelligent, is undoubtedly sincere and has moved his position pretty far given he is probably an erstwhile natural native of the Californian Democrat set. Given his very high standing and the fact his chosen subject which has led him to spend his life advocating for public health measures to help the less privileged, it must have come as a major shock that he was “cast out” so rapidly. After being cancelled, censored and banned online, he has become something of a softly spoken radical and has campaigned very effectively on censorship and a range of other matters. He has taken on the US government in court and is prepared to talk with all the right people. If there were more like him, the world would not have gone through what it did.
I still find it troubling that he’s unwilling to challenge the foundations of modern virology more at this stage. He’s not the only one who seems to have taken steps backward from the evidence clearly presented in RFK Jr’s book on Fauci. Few seem able to apply all the horrors of what Fauci (and his masters/acolytes) has done in their day-to-day thinking.
Sadly, Dr B seems to have taken many steps backward recently. He’s gone through a lot and is unwilling to address the real issues regarding the foundations of virology, contagion, genetics, testing, etc. All are shouded in myth, models and fear-mongering.
“…Peter Duesberg put forward a (false) hypothesis that the virus, HIV, is not the cause of AIDS…”
Oh really?
Why does the plethora of data support Duesberg’s hypothesis and not Fauci’s? Why have we still not developed a vaccine for the prevention of AIDS after 40 years? Why have the challenge studies failed to prove contagion? Why does the data point to excessive recreational drug abuse as the main driver of AIDS? Why has HIV never been isolated and purified according to the scientific method?
Still, in 2024, there is no proof HIV causes AIDS…there is of course the flawed PCR test!
Fauci was wrong back in the 80s, and he was wrong again in December 2019.
Re “Despite billions of dollars spent on the task, no one to date has produced an effective HIV vaccine or a definitive cure”
That is not correct. See my comment here for further details.
In the mid-1980s a successful protocol was developed. Of nearly 2,000 patients treated none died. No vaccines required. No harmful drugs required.
It is difficult to look back on your own naivete. I was only a child at the time but I assumed for decades since the eighties that AIDS was completely legit. So much so that we used to call it the arse-injected death sentence. In retrospect this was unforgivably naive but you live and learn. Fauci makes a good point without intending it. He is the science, the embodiment of the rot of corporate capture of research through funding. You would have to look far and wide to find someone very dissimilar from Fauci who has been successful in scientific work in the last couple of decades. Obviously by successful I mean in the mainstream sense.
Or indeed the financial sense. No doubt his balance sheet looks quite healthy.
Highest paid public official in the US. And that is before you count the untold millions supplied by big pharma.
He destroyed your relatives and social cohesion forever and he is pissing himself laughing about it. Your quality of life is never coming back. Even a Vietnamese might’ve had something to say about their village being burned down. You are well and truly smoked out.
Remember those dirty little Vietnamese Boat People. You thought you were better or higher than them. Trust me you are lower.
Yes call out Fauci for everything that he stands for and has wrought and you are right. But just look in the mirror. You are a filthy dirtbag. Possible even lower than Fauci. You know it yourself.
Dr Bhattacharya needs to read “The Real Anthony Fauci” by Robert Kennedy Jr. He would not have such a generous view of Fauci’s record of forty years of AIDS/HIV research, not least in Africa, and in experiments on children in US foster homes.
He is at Stanford Medical School. So he is not going to stick his neck quite that far out now is he?
He’s a Fascist, no better than Dr Mengele.
https://open.substack.com/pub/sciencefromthefringe/p/can-i-respond-to-that-please-episode?r=ylgqf&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I listened to this podcast yesterday. Truly awful how Jay was bullied during a congressional hearing. Reminded me of Carl Henneghan’s treatment during the Covid inquiry.
Bhattacharya comes across as a thoughtful, and mild mannered man.i don’t always agree with everything he says, but his heart is in the right place.
I haven’t seen any comments on these pages regarding the revelation by Martin Neil that the DS and Brownstone are unwilling to discuss the evidence challenging the official narrative/debate about the Covid pandemic. It’s a big disappointment to me, reflecting the problem that so many seem scared of opening up that Pandora’s box but without doing so we will never be free of all the tyranny by the medical industrial complex.
https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/question-everything-except-that-thing/comments
“Two outlets with reputations for publishing COVID-dissenting articles have rejected our proposal for challenging dominant Virus Origin stories”
Will Jones’s response to Martin Neil’s proposal to challenge the lab-leak story was particularly troubling.
HIV stands for Human Immunodeficiency Virus. When Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR technique, asked to be shown the original medical paper specifying the virus, he discovered there was no such paper.
In one interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogPbJzqtZM), Mullis said when “Guys like Fauci get up there and start talking, you know he didn’t know anything really about anything, and I’d say that to his face – nothing. The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope, and if it’s got a virus in there you’ll know it. He doesn’t understand electron microscopy and he doesn’t understand medicine … These guys have got an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have being that we pay for them to take care of our health … Tony Fauci does not mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera”.
Fauci may not have been the main figure behind the so-called ‘pandemic’ but he was the prime messenger, and at least 31 million have died from the resulting catastrophic government actions (see https://denisrancourt.ca/).
Fauci is a evil murdering glabalist scum bag.
The whole system of health care is rotten and science suffers because of the system of grants that they all rely on. The huge sums of money available, particularly in the US, creates this system. Medical experts are constantly in positions of desperation to ensure a grant continues. Fauci, as all those involved in the covid disaster, are products of this system. Trust of these experts, including Bhattacharya, has all disappeared a result of this system.
It matters not whether it ‘came from a lab’ or it ‘spontaneously leapt from nature’…what matters most is 1) does the viral pathogen exist (isolation/purification), 2) has the viral pathogen been scientifically proven to cause disease in humans (control trials) and 3) are viral pathogens contagious?
As a scientist, I was taught the central goal of research is to demonstrate that the independent variable (presumed cause) influences the dependent variable (observed effect). Thus, to test any hypothesis that suggest a causal relationship the independent variable MUST exist and be present at the start of any experiment. This isn’t just procedural, it’s a demand of logic and reason. It seems the very foundational premises of ‘virology’ are steeped in logical fallacies and circular reasoning, made abundantly clear when one closely examines the experimental methodology and the subsequent interpretations of the results.
Please do better DS and engage in a transparent debate of the virological facts that date back to the fraudulent works of Pasteur and Koch – the (pseudo) science of virology literally is ‘turtles all the way down!
There are two books that reveal the real Dr Anthony Fauci. ‘Official Stories. Counter-Arguments for a Culture in Need’ by Liam Scheff and the chapter on HIV. Both books are very revealing as to how Dr Fauci operated his Public Health empire. For example, he used an orphanage in New York to test HIV drugs by forcing children to take his experimental medications, either by injection or directly into their stomachs. The second book is Robert F. Kennedy Jr’s book ‘The Real Anthony Fauci. Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health’. Whatever Tony Fauci’s talents they don’t include compassion, empathy and a genuine desire to heal the sick. He appears to be more of a psychopathic megalomanic intent on his legacy and reputation at the cost of other people’s health and well-being. I’m surprised that Dr Bhattacharya has any time for him whatsoever. He’s destroyed the reputation of public health in America and he appears to be completely captured by Big Pharma. He needs to be held to account.