Church of England guidance for teachers has been slammed for pushing the anti-science idea that a person’s sex is “assigned” at birth rather than a biological fact and telling teachers to challenge “outdated terms”. The Mail has the story.
Guidance set to be issued to thousands of schools states that a transgender man is someone “who was assigned female at birth but identifies and lives as a man”, and a transgender woman “was assigned male at birth but identifies and lives as a woman”.
The statements are in the document ‘Flourishing For All’, which is backed by Justin Welby, Archbishop of Canterbury, and tells teachers to challenge “outdated terms”.
About a million children attend 4,630 Anglican schools.
Last night, critics condemned the proposed guidance.
Lucy Marsh, of the Family Education Trust, said: “It is extremely concerning that the Church of England does not recognise that biological sex is immutable. Sex is not ‘assigned at birth’, it is determined at conception and recorded at birth. These are biological, unchangeable facts. Coercing staff and children to believe in contested gender ideology as fact is not only wrong, but extremely harmful.”
Stephanie Davies-Arai, of Transgender Trend, which challenges trans ideology in schools, said: “Biological reality is not ‘outdated’, and it is worrying that the C of E thinks it is. Knowing that sex can’t be changed is not an old-fashioned idea, but basic reality.”
Marsh and Davies-Arai further point out that the guidelines conflict with the Department for Education’s draft transgender guidance, which says pupils must not be taught about the “concept of gender identity”.
Anyone still under the misapprehension that C of E schools are any kind of refuge from the deluge of woke gobbledegook will not be thinking that now.
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I have a thirst to be first.
Thirst satisfied, let me say that Carl Henegan has done a superb job in demolishing the government’s absurdist claims.
Sadly, however, totally ignored by our ‘leaders’.
He should replace Witty as Chief Medical Officer or proffesor Sikora
Hello,
I agree unfortunately the government have dug themselves into a hole which they haven’t a clue how to get out of. The pandemic is similar to the situation out generals found themselves during world war one.
Whatever they tried would lose thousands of lives so rather than accept that fact they ploughed on wasting thousands and thousands of lives. This is what where doing we’ve followed the wrong strategy but instead of admitting this we carry on and hope some miracle or new discovery, literally anything turns up.
And as in WW1, an entire generation is being sacrificed to keep the fat old generals in safety and comfort.
From the Telegraph
SIR – A major rethink on how we battle coronavirus is urgently needed. Now, we’re far better informed, so locking us all down and destroying more lives and livelihoods are not the answer.
Even when a vaccine is found, it may not grant total immunity. In the meantime, as with every other disease, we must learn to live with it.
The most vulnerable are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves, while the young need to get on with their lives and enjoy their youth, which passes all too quickly.
Enough of this hourly analysis, which creates an atmosphere of fear out of all proportion to the threat. Our best weapon against the virus, for now, is common sense, not over-reaction, which is devastating our country.
Richard Drax MP (Con)
London SW1
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Criminals being let off by the police to ease pressure on the courts, Telegraph investigation finds
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I see the Telegraph has its own “Global Health Security Team”
Straight out of George Orwell
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Needs to be sent to every other MP.
Forwarded to my MP
ditto
Good idea – mine too, now!
Have sent this letter, combined with Nigel Farage’s video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdkaq3S7nH0 (which he has circulated to all Brexit Party members), to my Guildford MP – with the comment: What is your position on extending the Governments powers again on the 26th September Coronavirus Act 2020? I hear or read NOTHING from you on the most important matter of our lifetime!
Interesting lots of the comments to Farage’s video ask him to start a new political party so that they can vote for him as an alternative to Conserrvative and Labour
As a remainer, I can’t envisage voting for Faridge. But on the other hand……
I am a Brexiteer, but not from the Farage wing. I don’t think he is the right person to lead the counter movement for all sorts of reasons, including alienation of Remain voters. Most important though is that he was in favour of lockdown and the MSM/Government narrative, and has only recently converted. Nothing wrong with converting (Mike Graham and Julia Hartley-Brewer are now quite sceptical after being supportive for example), but I think it would compromise their ability to attack the Government and establishment effectively if they are only now coming out on our side. It does smack of opportunism to me. Far prefer that leadership came from consistent sceptics like Hitchens, Hannan etc.. I do think Farage coming out for us will help convince a large group of people who have probably followed the Government and MSM line up to now, but are stirring. In taht way he will be useful. He will also scare the Government as well.
Agree. Farage supported the lockdown. Glad he appeared and would be helping the anti-lockdown message now, but NOT forgiven.
That ship’s sailed, a new battle may require new alliances.
The SDP are making the right kind of noises – perhaps they are the change we need.
I joined them in April out of protest at the LibLabConSNP parties
it’s no longer about Leave or Remain it’s vital We defend ourselves from a wayward regime that needs removing
Well said.
I’m finding the leave/remain rhetoric acts as one big red herring. It tends to derail sensible and urgently needed anti-lockdown discussion in the MSM comments.
I know, suddenly I find myself willing to back anyone who adopts a basic common sense response to this « crisis ». Other political considerations can be sorted out later.
We could do with a genuine clear sweep of politics. A new party free from any of the old faces or financial backers – can’t see any party featuring Nigel Farage getting enough votes to get any MPs elected – too divisive figure.
Snap.
Hello,
I think with the warnings about mid October seeing 50,000 cases a day it will be very hard to not renew the Corona virus Act 2020. The mps are as much use as a wet flannel, I watched QT the other night and was disappointed how the mps dismissed the scientist views. So it’s a given it will be renewed all we can do is keep reminding people that lockdown as failed. While the UK and Europe are seeing increases in infections others like Sweden are seeing a decrease. We must let the facts speak for themselves and hopefully this will bring the lockdown nightmare to an end.
‘The most vulnerable are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves, while the young need to get on with their lives and enjoy their youth, which passes all too quickly.’
I honour him infinitely for those sane and simple words.
PS. I’ve written to congratulate him. Great man.
Me too. Think he will be inundated….
Yes, I did too. I asked him to try and rally some more support.
Me too, and sent a copy to my MP.
Well said. Should be circulated far and wide
Yes its funded by gates check it out
B&MG Foundation funded Daily Telegraph £2.7 million pounds in 2017. They have funded almost every major media organisation in the world, so this is hardly surprising.
Uncle Bill is a many-tentacled abomination!
Well one queries why he didn’t say this earlier but yes, yes, yes – particularly the bit about not depriving the young of their youth.
Anti-lockdown MPs now need to a cross party campaign group to get traction.
“There is more joy in heaven, over one sinner that repents”
Why on earth are you carping at someone doing the right thing.
I’ve copied RD’s letter to Theresa May
Sent to mine
The bloke who heads up the Telegraphs Global health team, is the head of a company that specialises in something akin to stairlift production, when you next see a report on Covid look up the journalists biographies, one of them today who was putting out a terror piece as to whether children should go back to school, is actually a lifestyle editor who focuses on celbrity interviews and interior design. In other words the Telegraph adopts a call centre styleof Journalism, basically they have people with laptops scouring the internet for news putting stuff together and then senstionalisig. If it bleeds it leads. Just next time you see an explosive piece look up the journalists credentials.On the criteria they use, any 14 year old with a laptop could write
Are you on the 10pm – 6am shift 77? Is that why you were first today and still giving it large this evening?
Again?
Sometimes the late bird catches the worm.
Only if it’s a late worm.
He’s a lot earlier than most of the other worms. Don’t be too harsh.
Great page today.
Suspect it’s going to be a BIG week.
Whitty v Carl Heneghan
I thought you agreed with Whitty…
And answer came there none, because they are working from a script…
It. isn’t hard writing of Whitty
You just need to say it’s a pity
That this Whitless cretin
Has managed to get in
To power, with results that are s…..y.
Great, Annie – perfect scansion, too!
no one in their right mind would get down to the nitty gritty
with a man so ugly called Chris Whitty
There once was a man named Chris Whitty,
Whose advice was terribly shitty,
With a shake of his head,
Lock ’em all down he said,
We ignored him, oh well, what a pity.
Will you accept a clerihew?
Chris Whitty
Forbids proximity
Don’t ask
Wear a mask
Excellent!
…
A ditty about Whitty
There was a young lad called Whitty
All his friends thought he was a titty
they put poo on his chair, gum in his hair
so he burned the school down one night in a jiffy
That’s a shitty pity
Whitty doesn’t rhyme with bastard, more’s the pity.
The twat Chris Whitty
And the rest of the of the SAGE committee
Are supremely incompetent
Yet they won’t repent
For ruining sociality.
Chris Whitty
Is known for mendacity
And by being shortsighted
Lives have been blighted
And he has ruined the city
Shitty …..
Not Pretty
You’d know…
Lol
Pity
I thought only Johnson and Hancock agreed fully with Whitty, apart from Bill Gates, of course.
Whenever anyone interviews Whitty they need to ask what he meant by this comment on the 21st July 2020 in the DHSC Committee hearing:
When he can explain that coherently he can then explain why the big change in his stance in the last 6 weeks. To me he looks lies he’s runnings acred of being found out.
Apart from being mentioned by Toby once on here and then on a Hector Drummond twitter feed it has not been in the MSM once, anywhere.
My letters to HanJobs, nugget DePeffle, waste of space Hunt “social distancing is law” committee chair et al have been ignored.
I was very cheered by Henegan going on the offensive. I was going to say I have never been so ashamed of or saddened for my country before now. But there is still that small flame of hope when we have people like him around.
But I come back to my oft-stated position. The political elite have totally failed us. We need a new dispensation: a political party that we can vote for that will dismantle the Lockdown Lunacy and the Mask Madness, that will stand for free speech rights because it knows why they are so important and which will pursue the interests of UK citizens, not Russian oligarchs (Osborne), Saudi dictators (Hammond), globalist billionaires (Blair and many others) – a party that will defund the BBC, take on the Marxist mafia that is holding captive academia, and beat back the Calibans at our door.
How about ‘The Restoration Party’?
‘For the restoration of liberty, sanity and normality’
I am not a member so it’s not a shameless plug as I have only had a brief read of their policies, but the SDP appear to be against lockdowns. Someone posted this the other week as well.
And https://libertarianparty.co.uk/ too
Libertarianism has little to do with liberty.
It’s cute that you think that.
opposition is also noted the Lady Hale essay and Sir Graham Brady’s intervention.
I agree with you, but one thing should be added to your list: prosecution of the decision-makers. Even if this is nothing more than a royal cockup, with those in power now guided by self-delusion, it is no excuse! Decision-makers must be held to a higher standard and their gross incompetence and negligence has already caused great, irreparable harm. It should not go unanswered.
This pandemic is clearly a long time planned event and it is heavily imbued with criminal intention. It has already cost the UK many thousands of lives and prosecution is absolutely vital.
Absolutely – the failures are now so stark, and the consequences so serious, that there has to be legal accountability for it. Both those who created the failed models, and those who ignored the science, need to be prosecuted. I would include the press in this, but there’s not much we can do there other than punish the BBC, who unfortunately for them are the only ones we have the power to take it out on. Which we should.
With the growing evidence of the impact on the world’s poor, I don’t think it’s hyperbole to start looking at what has happened in the same way we would a war crime. It might have been by incompetence rather than design but the lives lost due to lockdown will be greater than anything we did in our equally bungled and ill-informed interferences in the Middle East.
We need a party in favour of liberal democracy, unfortunately, despite their name, the LibDems doesn’t seem in favour of either. An new Liberal party perhaps?
Guys… look, i know you are VERY protective of the NHS, but fuck me… time to wake up. The NHS is a shitshow. Has been for years. “But it’s free” no longer cuts it. There’s many other better health systems on the planet. Do something about it.
Agree. The National Health Service has been exposed as the No Health Service, No Hope Service and the No Help Service. The likes of France, Sweden, Switzerland have far superior health services, why can’t we learn from them?
Unfortunately, the British for some reason are unable to wake up with regards to this New State Religion. Time for another Martin Luther to step out of the wings and tell a few home truths.
Mind you, the other state religion used to be the BBC, and look what’s happening to them.
Indeed. People are heeding the call to Defund the BBC in droves that even the Beeb are running scared.
Don’t forget one of de Piffle’s election campaign slogans was that the NHS is not for sale – even though it was blatantly being systematically dismantled, just like the Post Office.
Have to agree with this..My best friend works for the NHS (one of the BIG hospitals in London) and he has been telling me that the whole system is rotten to the Doctors at the moment are lounging around, lunches on expenses, a little renovation work (curtain replacement in the pool)that would cost 200 Pounds is 4000 Pounds because hey, money is not an object in the NHS, nurses crying because their cancer patients have stopped checking in ?( probaly dead) , COVID put on every dead certificate as a rule, because why not? He is a true believer but in his words people are losing the will to live in there. So why are we surprised by the stories like the one above? It needs to die and something else needs to be put in place.
Previous to lockdown, we have had 3 drains on resources (sorry children) all in NHS midwife lead, birthing suites etc.. and had nothing but praise for the service we received. Some trust are without doubt better than others and post code lottery also plays a part. But i agree there needs to be some radical changes to s disjointed system at best.
One area our trusts don’t seem to be good at is mental health, where as my friend who is bi polar and lives down south has had a much better response to his mental health before lockdown.
A mental health worker told me that lockdown had a serious negative effect on many of his existing patients and that he has no hope of dealing with a new caseload of people who have developed problems because of lockdown.
The question is, though: What are you comparing your NHS experience to? Have you been through the same things in a different country whilst being a resident and registered with the health system?
I know it’s all anecdotal, but my girlfriend’s mother works as a neonatal nurse in Romania. When she was told about how the NHS handles an expectant mother, through to birth, and to postnatal care, she was shocked. Some of the things considered standard by the nurses here would be grounds for malpraxis in Romania. Unfortunately, as with most things medical, it’s never obvious to us commoners, so i can’t even begin to tell you what the issues were, other than to say that it consists of a general lack of care towards the patient.
Either way, i invite you all to ask immigrants about their opinion of the NHS if the topic ever comes up in conversation. You’ll be surprised.
You are so right. The care that pregnant women receive from the NHS is shocking. Lots of babies born with brain damage (oxygen deprivation) or die. Very 3rd world. Don’t accept these low standards just because you were told it is free, It is no free as we are all paying for it in taxes
To be fair, the paramedics and A+E (providing you are brought in from an RTA or similar) are bloody amazing. My GP is pretty good too. But overall, it’s a shambles.
Well you should all be happy soon. Because I think there will be no NHS for anyone very soon. Try complaining when we are left with nothing.
Incidentally, I have had excellent care on the NHS. The last thing we want is an American style healthcare system.
Many of us ‘ are left with nothing’ at the moment and have been since March.
A telephone consultation with a GP who then passes you on to a telephone consultation with a consultant is not ‘excellent care’!
I am now going into debt in order to pay for the private medical help that I should be receiving from the NHS.
Yes. For the first time ever, I had to go private last year for a very painful and potentially dangerous hernia. I had been advised, that there would be a 35 week wait for it to be repaired on the NHS. No doubt today, the waiting period would be indefinite.
Why people are marking you down seems very strange. The NHS is actually being dismantled as you suggest.
Well, this is a “right wing” site, whatever that means nowadays.
My sympathies are on the traditional left. Still I value diversity of views.
I’m mystified by it as well as I said above. Perhaps someone will explain.
Kate, I don’t understand the downvotes on your comment. I can agree with three things you’ve said:
So I’m not sure why you were downvoted so heavily. Perhaps anyone who decides to downvote me can explain.
Why, when discussing the future of the NHS, do people always refer to the American healthcare system ? I would bin the NHS tomorrow in favour of an insurance based system as found in france, germany, italy all of which have better outcomes than us for things like cancer.
Why is it that America is always used as a stick to beat those who point out the problems with the NHS?
Is America the only other country in the world?
There are other countries who have better health systems than the UK, why can’t we learn from them?
Wore a face nappy for the first time on Saturday.
I really enjoyed the experience. Didn’t even try the exempt stuff
It was on the flight out
In my mind I likened myself to the people who produced their identity documents to the Gestapo on the railway platforms of 1930’s Germany
The goons thought we were complying, in reality we were escaping
The OH and I have escaped the brutal pig dictator
Where to?
Hopefully more people are waking up to the fact that Covid™ is not an epidemiological event it is a business model. Quite similar in many ways to The War on Terror™. Both manufactured events that are meant to increase the portfoli’s of the super- wealthy.
It is vitally important to understand that public health policy has been harnessed to global markets. Instead of serving those at risk of sickness and death, these policies of financialization are constructed to benefit investors.
Manufactured pandemics create new investment products that increase the holdings of billionaires and further concentrate their wealth.
The WHO, CDC, NHS etc are merely conduits for these investors who channel their investments through the likes of the Gates Foundations e.g. The return on these investments is staggering.
This is not going away unless and until we make it go away. All of the politicians that are “deciding” these things are spokespeople for these investors.
Global public health (and education) has become a plaything of financiers.
Know anything about WHO issuing Pandemic Bonds in 2017, due for repayment
(?) this year ?
It was the World Bank
Thank you, I saw it mentioned elsewhere, so is that where the money came from to pay the third world to go into lockdown?
I know only what I read in the linked-to press release.
Viral pandemics are as old as the hills. As are abuses of power, exploitation and lying to the masses.
I may lament the response but this is a completely normal natural event. It would be notable if we didn’t have the odd viral pandemic.
Let me suggest another kind of ‘conspiracy theory’. (For one thing, I think people tend to put too much stock in the financial angle. I also think that Seedhouse’s “cognitive bias” explanation (presented in a 19 Sept post) is probably naive; for one thing these people aren’t <i>that</i> stupid, and they must have <i>some</i> knowledgeable advisors.) The nonsense we’re seeing may have to do with the November elections in the U.S.
Why? Well, for one thing, the political elite and portions of the intellectual elite are quite aware of the growing populist revolt in the West and in other parts of the world (e.g. Brazil). They’re repelled by it, and at the same time they’re deathly afraid of it. In the words of (I think) a Facebook manager, they want to make sure it really is an historical blip. And since the keystone right now is the presidency of Donald Trump, that’s the stone they have to dislodge.
If the pandemic fantasy can be maintained for a few weeks longer that supports things like mail-in balloting as well as keeping people fearful (and away from the polls?). But it won’t be as easy to maintain this in the US if the rest of the world is going back to normal. So the idea may be to keep it up – maintain the facade – elsewhere as well. Incidentally, there’s no need for a conscious conspiracy – these people are all on the same page, they’re all up to date on what everyone else is doing, and that should be enough for collective action.
I want to add some glosses to my original remarks.
1) Not only does there not have to be a consciously coordinated conspiracy, these people don’t even have to be fully conscious of what they’re doing. (That’s problem with ordinary conspiracy theories – they always assume conscious intent.)
Ultimately, I suspect that what we’re seeing is an instance of tribal defense. The problem stems from the fact that the political and intellectual elite have become a separate tribe within the nation state (for the UK cf. Peter Oborne’s The Triumph of the Political Class). This would account for their “political lying” (H/T again to Oborn); they’re willing to lie to people outside the tribe. It would also account for the brazenness and recklessness with which they’re pushing the theme of a covid crisis (as well as sister events like the “climate crisis”, the Trump-Russia collusion, etc.).
2) How does Boris fit into all of this? I think the best explanation is that at present he’s thoroughly bamboozled. He’s surrounded by all these types, plus he has a lot in common with them, plus he had a very bad experience with the virus that undoubtedly still has him spooked. So at present he’s inside their bubble. But can he be awakened from this enchantment? (That might make for an interesting situation.)
Boris is the main problem and he will not be part of the solution.
I can’t agree. They’ve forecast what they were going to do throughout. For example, we’ve known for weeks that they intended a lockdown for October.
This has all been meticulously planned and is being driven by the Behavioural Insights Team.
Absolutely correct. People do not understand just what the developments in control, communication, finance and technology over the last thirty years have allowed the elite to do. The nation state is irrelevant, so write to your MP all you like, they can do nothing.
They are constructing a world that is inconceivable to most people. This is why we may respond too late – they have powers we have never even heard of.
So what will you do?
The plandemic is a nice little earner and is also a lead in to the Great Reset. The brave new green world of the Great Reset will have nothing to do with the massively populated planet that we have today. We are moving into very strange times.
I have been a violinist in the Colorado Springs Philharmonic for thirty years. Today we received the horrible news that management cannot honor the musicians’ contracts. I suspect bankruptcy is not far behind. This is an orchestra that has been thriving and playing to sold out audiences for the last five years. For Beethoven’s birthday we were going to perform all of the symphonies in the course of two weeks. All gone. It’s just loss upon loss. We thought losing statues was bad. Losing the ability to perform and hear symphonic music is incalculable.
I am so sorry. Live music feeds the soul, but these regimes seem to want to destroy everything that gives life meaning. It’s criminal.
The.V pandals have landed.
Too sorry for words.
God protect you and your colleagues.
I so feel for you and the other Colorado Springs Phil musicians. I am an amateur flutist and have been playing with the university orchestra while working on my PhD; it looks like our orchestra society will become another victim. Some fellow musicians and I have formed a small chamber group in protest. We are currently rehearsing in my home, which might well become a crime in the near future.
Go for it. Preserving our common musical heritage will be down to the likes of your lot.
All the best!
Please can you record the rehearsals;- might be a great you tube channel.
That’s wonderful that you’re playing with friends! As for me, I only know one musician who’s not deathly afraid. Skeptical musicians are a very rare breed!
Very sorry to hear this.
The barbarians have breached the gates and what they’re doing to our way of life and what gives our life meaning is criminal.
Stay strong.
Margaret Thatcher would be proud of what’s going on.
Terrible news. I love live orchestral music. I am so sorry.
So sorry to hear this, my musical tastes are quite different but the loss of live music of any style leaves us all poorer.
Live music is what I miss the most right now. Incredible IT’S GONE. Everywhere.
Absolute evil.
Very sorry to hear this. My local orchestra, BSO, has gone to huge lengths to put on an autumn season, starting next week with Beethoven’s 7th. I fear that another lockdown will put paid to the rest of the concerts. I hope there is some way that your orchestra can be reformed in the future and that you will be ok financially.
Devastating news.Did anyone stop all performances during Asiatic flu or Hong Kong flu? They might be sometimes cancelled if many of the orchestra was sick with flu but 6mths after the peak having closed all performances of art? This is the death sentence for performing arts and the Media Dictators want us all just to watch in media streaming to the homes.
The Woodstock Festival was held in the middle of the Hong Kong flu.
And contact tracing was a bitch!
There was an awful lot of contact and very little tracing.
It’s a death sentence all round and it won’t be death by coronavirus.
We have a music school affiliated to a university that has yet to reopen.
I offered to help a local arts group which puts on wonderful classical and jazz concerts very cheaply.
Since the first lockdown they are trying to restart.
I was horrified to receive e-mails from them explaining the new system to keep the audience “safe” All fully masked, one way systems through the church, door wardens to direct people to their seats safely, and social distancing and masks worn in the audience. You must book ahead online whereas before you could just walk in..
They are lamenting that only fifteen bookings have been received. How can they wonder at this?
I do not want to be part of this “safety” regime. How can I treat other people as if they are contaminated and in imminent danger?
The whole thing is dystopian.
Yes its dystopian and intentionally so. The old life is in the process of being totally dismantled and it won’t be coming back without one hell of a fight.
Agreed! The dystopian atmosphere takes away all the joy.
I’m so sorry to hear that.
In Britain, some identitarian race-baiters expressed their desire to remove a bust of Beethoven from the British Library as it was a symbol of colonialism.
Where Colorado Springs goes many more will follow.
Systematic dehumanisation!
It gives me no pleasure to give the 100th tick. I’ve gone all Mahler.
Tragic. A relative is a Beethoven academic, and the whole anniversary year has been ruined. Not to mention the war anniversaries.
I went to the big Weatherspoons for breakfast yesterday, to gain access I was obliged to go behind waist high metal barriers zigzaging their way through the carpark to the front door. This made me feel uncomfortable until I realised what it reminded me of.
I grew up in a small north midlands market town. The centre of the town was dominated by a huge cattle market (plus sheep, pigs goats etc). We walked through this to get to school, all the animals were penned in with what were then head height metal barriers, need I say more ?
Only ‘baa’.
We are seen now as nothing more than livestock, herded, registered, tagged, rounded up, and muzzled. Notice when they take your temperature from your forehead (not that I’ve allowed anyone to do that to me) it’s like having a stun gun pointed at you. Now they want to spray us with Christ knows what. Won’t be long until we’re branded. Did you see the pens people were put in to see a live OUTDOOR music show? But hey, as long as I’m SAFE!
There was a printed notice in each of the zig and zag pens
“Only six persons in this area”.
The door monitor was not satisfied with the offer of my (redundant) email, wanted me to use the QR (?) thingey with my android, told him no and left.
Good for you! If they treat potential customers like shite in the name of Covid, and are not prepared to fight for their own survival, they don’t deserve their business. Anywhere that demands you give your details gets wide berth from me. I’m not complying with new bloody abnormal to have a “normal” life. I had a good life before but that’s over so now I’m seeking out new ways to enjoy life and be as free, mentally and physically, as I can.
I’m the same HH. I am not giving my details in order to dump rubbish at the local tip, or go to a restaurant.
Exactly. They’re driving us to do different things, or to concentrate on things we already love that have not been swept away in the madness. I go to my allotment every single day since working with plants means I am around sensible creatures for a couple of hours.
And then there’s the fast tracked and liability free vaccine hurtling towards us.
https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1307722818700836865?s=20
I don’t do Twitter so can’t access, what are the results thus far ?
28 – yes
72 – no
That’s quit impressive for the Twittersewer.
There are many anti lockdown and anti new normal people on Twitter.
I don’t have Twitter but I can open the specific links and read (but not comment)
Like many others, I joined Twitter in April and I hope that it can be made more representative. Whether we like it or not, it plays a huge part in news gathering and politics.
How much would you pay to get Ferguson and Henegan in the same room?
And Heneghan with a gun,
Nah – he’s nicer than us.
Annie get your gun!
SIR – A major rethink on how we battle coronavirus is urgently needed. Now, we’re far better informed, so locking us all down and destroying more lives and livelihoods are not the answer.
Even when a vaccine is found, it may not grant total immunity. In the meantime, as with every other disease, we must learn to live with it.
The most vulnerable are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves, while the young need to get on with their lives and enjoy their youth, which passes all too quickly.
Enough of this hourly analysis, which creates an atmosphere of fear out of all proportion to the threat. Our best weapon against the virus, for now, is common sense, not over-reaction, which is devastating our country.
Richard Drax MP (Con)
London SW1
Global Covid Report
Proton Science Group in association with
Extra-Parliamentary Corona Investigation Committee (ACU)
https://online.anyflip.com/inblw/ufbs/mobile/index.html
Thank you, took several screenshots of easy to use bullet points to show waverers.
Carl Heneghan seems to be having a real media blitz – but will it have any effect at all? I fear not.
Matt Hancock, our Minister for Health, clearly does not even understand what a false positive is for a PCR test – but the TV presenters interviewing him don’t understand these basics either, so he is not revealed for the numpty he is, or his policies for being as inane as they are.
The current position with uncorroborated test results being used as the sole driver for major costly public health policies and for the imposition of £10000 fines on citizens is unprecedented. The doubts over the credibility of these tests may give grounds for a legal challenge. With one questioning letter from an MP in the Telegraph it may be time to press our MPs to call for an urgent multi-disciplinary (statistics, biology, medicine, management) review of the testing system.
It’s more that Hancock is simply playing his part in the global Great Reset agenda, as of course is Boris Johnson.
Despite what’s been said above, it is clear that the government is knowingly and willingly playing an important part in a major conspiracy. Yes it’s a conspiracy alright and it’s plain for all to see, once they get over their cognitive dissonance.
None of this pandemic event is remotely happenstance or even much to do with the ephemeral Sars-cov-2 coronavirus which is little more than a convenient scapegoat.
I think Triggle needs a shout out. He’s written quite a few balanced pieces over the last few months that seem to go against the general bbc line.
I agree – he has shown some guts.
Yep. Showed his colours as a sceptic pretty early on. Or latent sceptic, anyway.
Attended face-nappy church (Wales) for the first time yesterday. Mine the only visible face. Sermon delivered through a thick black rag, mumble mumble mumble.
A lady, aged about 50, approached me afterwards and asked, quite politely, if I was ‘exempt’. I said I was, She said her husband had ‘forbidden’ her to go to church unless everybody was nappied. ‘it’s so uncomfortable wearing one’, she added. I could not resist saying, in the mildest tone I could manage, that if people wanted to behave like mumbling sheep they were free to do so.
Last week’s ‘cases’ in Pembrokeshire: 1. Deaths: 0, as for many weeks past.
Population of Pembrokeshire: about 123,000 – plus visitors, whose comings and goings have had no effect in the figures.
I wonder how many will refuse to come next week if I’m there.
I shall be there.
I believe that through Jesus Christ we can overcome the fear of death and rise to the life eternal.
Evidently, nobody else in my church does.
Makes you sad when it seems like the church is simply acting as the mouthpiece of the state and not God.
The early Christians must despair at the supine and cowardly nature of the churches of today.
Hypocrisy
Aren’t preachers exempt from the mask edict? Ours doesn’t wear one while preaching and, I think, implied that they’re only going through the rigmarole because they’re being forced to.
Those leading worship do not have to wear masks, it is in the legislation. Some seem to do anyway ‘you can never be too careful’…
I wore a mask in Tesco this morning, I suspect with the nonsense non-compliers will be demonised even more soon. Glasses steamed up, couldn’t read labels. Decidedly breathless, and of course when taken off outside totally tangled with hearing aids. I hate to think what Whitty and crowd are going to say this morning but it doesn’t look good.
I saw a full C of E wedding taking place in the grounds of our 14th century church, the Vicar wore a black mask.
I’m sorry you didn’t feel up to your convictions today. I rode the bus maskless today, as usual, and will continue to do so. If they change the “law” to force masks on the bus, I will go back to riding my bike to my allotment.
But perhaps your circumstances don’t allow you to be as firm as I have been. And, of course, I’m trapped, as is everyone, if they force us all to wear masks outside. But then there’s no reason to go to my allotment anymore at that point.
So glad you went, and so glad in the church here at least the preacher doesn’t need a mask during the service. I suspect there is a fair amount of mask scepticism in the congregation, but it may be a price they’re willing to pay for gathering to worship – the compulsory risk assessments to allow you to open the building are pretty fierce! And who knows, maybe your presence without a mask will encourage other exempt people to feel welcome.
Pray for your ministers.
They have the full spectrum of opinion thrown their way from:
This is the Mark of the Beast and you’re a heretic for telling people to wear masks.
to
The Bible tells us to submit to authorities so you should tell the people that are claiming “exemptions” that they are going against God.
Our church is taking a light touch with all of this but our minister had to remind people that the law allowed for exemptions and there are things going on in people’s lives that you might not know about.
Many ministers are at breaking point – as are other people in every walk of life.
Our minister got pretty close to a nervous breakdown, I think.
All very true! Our church is maybe 95% sceptic, including the priests, but the pressure from various external forces is unreal at times, which not all the sceptical congregation fully appreciates.
My sympathy even though a lapsed CofE.
Presumably all the associated community activities, Sunday School, Scouts, Choir Practise and the like are suspended indefinitely ?
They are fine about me (and another lady)being exempt from masks at my church and the vicar takes hers off to preach as do those reading or singing. Church is still enjoyable but it was obvious yesterday they are all terrified with little faith.
I walk through a churchyard every day on the way to my allotment. Yesterday, the masked were queuing to attend a service. As an atheist, I did have to wonder what good the Christian God is if he cannot provide any kind of protection, physical or mental, against the virus.
What’s this nonsense from the Scottish university? Firstly Sturgeon isn’t popular like they claim and then they slag of people who don’t buy the idea that there isn’t some kind of sinister plot to destroy our society. Is the whole of Academia utter braindead? I think so.
At long last people making the point (a very obvious one) that a theoretical yes vote leads not to a nice cosy country of Scotland, but to partition.
The people’s republic of Caledonia might be just be an enclave. A McGaza. No part of Scotland can be taken out of the UK against its will. They might not even get to call their new paradise Scotland, if they have less than half the territory.
One of the scare tactics being used is that Covid 19 hospital cases and deaths are rising. Tricky one this as it seems many illnesses and deaths are being rebranded as Covid! But anyway,for what it’s worth, we do now seem to be getting data on hospital covid cases/deaths but meanwhile we hear reports of under used hospitals, do we know of any data on total hospital capacity and current usage?
Locally the main hospital is doing some backlog work and newly diagnosed patients.
The Nightingale is supposed to be helping to clear the backlog but is only 25% utilized.
More common sense from the BBC today which is heartening: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649
Great link, thank you, much as we deride the BBC, when they put out something like this it is a link I feel I can share round family and friends, whereas links to other media articles tend to get dismissed as extremist.
The Beeb, wow..
Wonder if they scent that the all-going-to-die approach is played out and it’s time to start shifting their stance if they want to end up on the winning side?
One can but hope.
I think as well the Defund the BBC campaign has picked up more steam and has rattled their cage. Ditto the Last Night of the Proms fiasco which exposed to all and sundry how the Beeb holds the nation in contempt.
and the thought of getting Charles Moore in charge.. they are sh*tting their pants
As well as the furore over the grotesque salaries of the likes of Zoe Ball and Gary Lineker. At a time when many people don’t know if they have jobs to return to and are tightening their belts, the BBC’s pay of their presenters and newsreaders are a slap to the face of Joe & Jane Public.
The BBC have relegated Covid from being the main news item on its site for almost 24 hours now. Very odd.
I noticed that too. I’ve no idea when the last time that was.
Local Live (mirror group news) is also devoid of Covid today except for the lead item telling us the county is among those with the fewest ‘cases’.
The BBC has periodically run pieces like this over the last 5 months, including a few from Triggle (that I’ve got saved, including full screen shots of the entire articles). The front page of the Scottish BBC news website barely has a mention of CV19 nor of Sturgeon’s proclamations of doom from last week. Instead the lead article is on the deaths of some asylum seekers in Glasgow.
I totally agree, my best link has been the 50,000 deaths winter 2017-18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46399090
which is permanently up on my phone. We should all send this Nick Triggle article to our MP’S? I’m going to send to the Today programme, world at one, PM etc
Just read in The Telegraph that the spread of the virus is all our fault, we’re at the last chance saloon & unless we comply totally with the governments crazy, non-evidence based measures we are going to pay the price.
Unfortunately viruses spread & no-one in history has ever prevented this from happening.
It’s insane & unbelievably depressing!
Ignore it. Go read the letter from Richard Drax.
PS.It’s a crude psy-op. If the figures get worse, it’s our fault for not complying. If the figures get better, it’s to their credit for bullying us. They win either way.
They think.
I don’t. Their chickens will come home to roost. Just you wait.
It is also a method of maintaining a good career trajectory for epidemiologists and committee-men like Whitty and Valance. Look at Professor Neil Ferguson whose career has done – and no doubt will continue to do – wonderfully well on the basis of predicting the worst possible outcome for now five (I think) pandemics. That these pandemics did not meet his full expectations was no doubt a matter of some disappointment to Neil Ferguson, but he could console his critics that this was due to the Government following his advice in a timely manner.
Consider, on the other hand, the effect on a career due to predictions that fall short of what actually happens. How people needlessly died because your model was wrong. No prognosticator could recover from even one bad result of that sort.
Boris really needs to see the advice from Whitty and Vallance in that light…
Thanks Annie ~ I admire your optimism and sincerely hope you are right!
I agree about the psy-ops but it’s been going on throughout this & seems to have succeeded with the vast majority of people.
I had seen the Drax letter (& there do seem to be an increasing number of Tory MPs speaking out now) but I’m not sure, in the absence of any true opposition from Labour, there are enough sceptics in Parliament to halt this madness.
It’s official. DIY is now causing more deaths than Sars-Cov-2.
The Society for the Elimination of Risk needs to swing into action immediately.
Here’s Reg:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU2BO5Obg2k&ab_channel=JayFee
Spike
Ha!
I hope Heneghan has a good security team.
He needs to make sure he doesn’t have any sports bags lying around at home.
He should avoid going for a walk in the woods.
With Wancock’s latest threats, one hopes that the hospitality, retail, museums & heritage and culture sectors will now make a stand and say NO!
Am still waiting…….
Do they secretly want to go bust?
If Wancock gets his way and they indeed go bust taking down their workers with them they will have no one but themselves to blame.
Graham Brady on Talk Radio in next 15 minutes. Hope this will be an encouraging interview….
Cor I’m looking forward to that!
In the meantime you could listen to old gits moaning about the lockdown here too:
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
Loving these podcasts, Lord R. Thanks for the work you put in!
No worries Charlie! Glad you enjoy them mate. Recorded another one at the pub yesterday…but the sound was shit and Don was on the p*ss with some mates so re-recording tonight.
Have been enjoying your podcasts and well done for the shoutout Toby gave it!
Yeah I literally spit my cornflakes out all over some old lady in the Covid testing queue when I saw that!
With respect to Mike Yeardon’s false positive rate piece, I’ve been telling everyone who’ll listen since May not to put much faith in “Pillar 2”.
Pillar 2 was, and probably still is, staffed hastily by postgraduates and various university kids without a day’s experience of clinical diagnostic work between them, running borrowed equipment in borrowed premises. No, or little, professional registration, unlike the Pillar 1 experienced scientists, although I suspect with a few decent industry people thrown in to supervise. It always was a shambles.
I’m not really convinced by Dr Yeardon’s false positive rate numbers, and as far as I’m aware the Pillar 2 protocol is essentially the same as Pillar 1. I completely agree in principle that false positives are a significant portion of cases now.
Although another thing worth understanding is that the PCR protocols in Pillar 1 were never standardised throughout the country.
For reasons I won’t go into here, I was in the position recently of having to wear a face mask and comply with all of the little rules and regulations around keeping other people safe.
I had to force a switch to flick in my mind and conditioned myself to act and perform as a true believer.
I put the mask on and stood on the little markers on the ground.
I wore the mask at all times as soon as I was in an indoor public area. For example, I wore the mask as soon as I stepped foot inside the Whetherspoons, right before I dutifully sanitised my hands. I wore it as I walked to my table. I wore it seated at the table when I was waiting for my food to be delivered (per the rules: it can only be removed when eating and drinking). I wore it walking along the street as I had to nip in and out of various shops, I didn’t want to continually handle it.
I felt virtuous. I felt morally superior. I felt I was doing my part.
The mask I wore wasn’t one of those cheap paper disposable ones, but rather a decent 4-ply mask that’s washable.
No, I couldn’t breathe properly. Yes, I got out of breath.
But that was a small price to pay for the feeling of moral superiority, and the gentle pat on the back my subconscious gave me was all the reassurance I needed that I was helping to keep others safe. My pre-frontal cortex didn’t need to believe that my mask made any difference whatsoever in my spreading a virus I don’t have. The smug bubble of satisfaction from the dopamine from my amygdala did all the work.
Pleased for you mark!
It’s the dopamine
That gets me high
The dopamine connects me
It’s the dopamine
I can rely
The dopamine reflects me
Iommi/Hughes/Marlette
mmm
Does Sweden have herd immunity?
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/19/covid-19-does-sweden-have-herd-immunity/
Good find. That’s an excellent report from Sweden. This doctor on the ground in Sweden confirms everything that most of us have thought for a long while now. It gives the lie to the pathetic false argument now being advanced, that Sweden only got where it is by voluntarily locking themselves.
I’ll take the liberty of quoting a chunk:-
“At the point in August when I wrote that article, I hadn’t seen a single covid patient in over a month. I speculated that Sweden had developed herd immunity, since the huge and continuous drop was happening in spite of the fact that Sweden wasn’t really taking any serious measures to prevent spread of the infection.
So, how have things developed in the six weeks since that first article?
Well, as things stand now, I haven’t seen a single covid patient in the Emergency Room in over two and a half months. People have continued to become ever more relaxed in their behaviour, which is noticeable in increasing volumes in the Emergency Room. At the peak of the pandemic in April, I was seeing about half as many patients per shift as usual, probably because lots of people were afraid to go the ER for fear of catching covid. Now volumes are back to normal.
When I sit in the tube on the way to and from work, it is packed with people. Maybe one in a hundred people is choosing to wear a face mask in public. In Stockholm, life is largely back to normal. If you look at the front pages of the tabloids, on many days there isn’t a single mention of covid anywhere. As I write this (19th September 2020) the front pages of the two main tabloids have big spreads about arthritis and pensions. Apparently arthritis and pensions are currently more exciting than covid-19 in Sweden.
In spite of this relaxed attitude, the death rate has continued to drop. When I wrote the first article, I wrote that covid had killed under 6,000 people. How many people have died now, six weeks later? Actually, we’re still at under 6,000 deaths. On average, one to two people per day are dying of covid in Sweden at present, and that number continues to drop.
In the hospital where I work, there isn’t a single person currently being treated for covid. In fact, in the whole of Stockholm, a county with 2,4 million inhabitants, there are currently only 28 people being treated for covid in all the hospitals combined. At the peak, in April, that number was over 1,000. If 28 people are currently in hospital, out of 2,4 million who live in Stockholm, that means the odds of having a case of covid so severe that it requires in-hospital treatment are at the moment about one in 86,000.
Since March, the Emergency Room where I work has been divided in to a “covid” section and a “non-covid” section. Anyone with a fever, cough, or sore throat has ended up in the covid section, and we’ve been required to wear full personal protective equipment when interacting with patients in that section. Last Wednesday the hospital shut down the covid section. So few true cases of covid are coming through the Emergency Room that it no longer makes sense to have a separate section for covid.
What about the few formal restrictions that were imposed early in the pandemic? The restriction on visits to nursing homes is going to be lifted from October 1st. The older children, ages 16-19, who were engaging in distance learning during part of the spring, are now back in school, seeing each other and their teachers face to face. The Swedish public health authority has recommended that the government lift the restriction on gatherings from 50 people to 500 people.”
Need to send that article to Julia H-B, Peter Hitchens, Simon Dolan – the usual people
By the way, the photo at the top of the article was taken on Saturday – I recognise the headlines, because I was in a supermarket then and read them myself (one is about women saying their pensions are not high enough, which as a middle-aged woman caught my eye!)
Thanks Carrie. It’s bang up to date then!
If anyone has the email address for the people you mention or indeed any others, perhaps they could forward the link.
Here it is again:-
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/19/covid-19-does-sweden-have-herd-immunity/
Looks like that was extended at Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s request. Great stuff:
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/21/more-covid19-news-from-sweden/
“A few weeks ago, an emergency physician working in Sweden, Dr. Sebastian Rushworth, asked me if I would be willing to replicate an article from his blog on mine. I was more than happy; it was a great article. The only problem being that his writing puts mine to shame – in a second language. Although he did later tell me he had been to boarding school in England for several years. So, I feel a bit better. If not much.
He has now done an update, outlining how things are getting along in Sweden. I thought it would be of great interest for people to get news from the front line, so to speak.
As many of us know Sweden, alone in Western Europe, decided not to impose a tough lockdown. In fact, the only forcible restriction that was imposed was to ban people meeting in groups of more than fifty. Slightly later, a further restriction was placed on nursing home visits.
Apart from this, all other Government recommendations were purely voluntary [Imagine that, a Government treating its citizens as responsible human beings].
When Sebastian wrote to me recently, I sent him back this e-mail.
“Great article. Could you send it in Word format? I will obviously link back to your blog.
Also, would it be possible to put in an additional section – to go at the front of the piece – as to what measures were taken in Sweden, and what the average person in Sweden actually did. The narrative we now have (from the pro-Lockdown lobby) is that the people of Sweden, being so law-abiding and community aware, essentially locked themselves down.
Which meant that the Swedish partial lockdown was more effective than, for example, the UK ‘harsh’ lockdown. Because the Swedes self-policed themselves, and the Brits did not. This is usually stated with great confidence from people who provide no evidence to back this assertion up. People who have probably never been to Sweden, nor ever talked to anyone from Sweden, and probably couldn’t point to Sweden on a map.
I understand schools stayed open, bars and restaurants stayed open. Gatherings of more than five hundred people were prohibited etc. What did Swedes do with masks, and going to work, for example? I think that information directly from the front line in Sweden, on these things, would be useful for people to know.”
So, Sebastian added a bit onto the front as follows:”
That’s an excellent collection of info and analysis – a worthy upgrade to the Swiss centre.
Only thing I’d quibble with is where in the intro it says “In most countries, Covid deaths were 40-100% higher than a bad flu year“. reading further it seems to be basing this on the last five years’ flu data, which is reasonable but means the worst is not necessarily particularly bad.
I’d reword slightly to make that clearer. It’s “relative to the worst flu year in the past five years”.
More generally this is a comparison I think it is useful to make.
And even that is not universally true. For instance, in Portugal current Covid-19 attributed deaths (1900) are about 40% lower than a good flu year (about 3300) . And I believe there are many other countries like that.
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Quick update on trip to the City – on train from Norwich – caught same time one in late July – there are a few more people around but carriages still really empty. Car parks at stations are empty. No issues walking through station without mask – was asked said exemption and got “fair enough”. They were counting something though – he had a clicker in his hand. Taxi driver this morning was a joy – complete sceptic – worked all the way through – ferrying key workers / medics / picking people up from hospitals – as he said if was that bad I should be dead by now !
Emergency rail measures now extended by 18 months…cost: 3.5Bn so far and counting. Plus a pre-covid normal 4Bn annual cost.
British Rail total annual subsidy in today’s money was about 1.7Bn I think.
So we are now indirectly funding European rail services.
Am now going through heart of commuter Essex – still the same story of empty car parks. They can’t admit it but only solution now is full nationalisation – even with “support” the economic model is bust. And that’s before the latest round of madness
I wouldn’t regard the clicker as anything sinister – they just want to record passenger numbers, probably some arcane mechanism related to claiming subsidies.
Whilst I’ve had occasional cause to vent at some cab owners’ sloppy driving, it seems they are a demographic that have their heads screwed on the right way in the current times. Being self-employed myself I guess generally having to be responsible for your own business and make your own judgements will engender the right life philosophy in someone. A friend of mine drives one and he’s constantly been probably the most rational individual I know with regards to the whole situation. At least one local cab firm has been helping us out delivering food parcels and shopping here too.
As I said in another comment, I hope he has good security. David Kelly, anyone?
if They resort to that then we know we are stuffed.
Good question .. Who is this governments Alastair Campbell ?
Just happened to notice the panic and terror our little ideas of liberty against tyranny are causing the political classes –
ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
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1h
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@grantshapps
normally the government’s most fluent turd polisher. But you can tell in his voice he knows this turd is beyond polishing, that the Covid record is beyond repair, the mistakes and lies beyond counting, the team too weak, the uselessness beyond anything defensible
Game is nearly over.
Stay prepared for the hit back from the oppressors today. Still a long way to go. But yeah in terms of time through the ages nearly done is correct.
Was trying to add this under the campbell tweet-
NB that’s Campbell using tone of voice to unleash fury. These body language traits of communication reveal so much. Don’t dismiss tgem. Listen to your gut instinct. Look them in the eye.
Today or tomorrow. But it’s getting old now, and people are sick of it. I’m expecting a bigger and better reaction than to the “Law of Six”. The government is losing control, losing its cool, and lost its justification.
They’ll also blame Saturday’s protest, wait and see.
Dom cumms obvs
He killed HIMSELF???
My largely non-political mum had the same reaction, thought it an absolute disgrace.
Another agent of evil! We know who you are….tick tock
Go hang out with OKUK and talk about how the job went today…
Just heard a woman in the queue at ASDA telling how a friend of hers has had to take all six of her children out of three different schools because one of them had a sore throat (not actually a CoVID-19 symptom) last week and they aren’t allowed back until they’ve ALL had a negative test.
And at least one is likely to get a false negative. This is just a Covid Ponzi Scheme.
That’s OK – another may well get a false positive to make up for it! Be optimistic!
Last week I saw an 8 year old with a sore throat, no temperature slight productive cough, no runny nose. I put it down as a viral infection and told mum the child did not need to be tested neither did the family.
I hope the child’s school are of the same mind, the child has seen a medical doctor, and is fit for school. No nonsense about isolating etc.
dont be silly .. schools reaction will be the standard “the child has covid”.. and they will ring plague bells and send the whole year home until a negative test. . The test is all !!!… What has a GPs untested opinion to do with anything
Actually I’m not a GP, but a nurse practitioner. The mum also appeared to be anti mask. As the consultation was at the end of the week then there shouldn’t be a problem with the school. As the government has said only test with symptoms then the little girl had not got symptoms and hence did not meet the criteria for a test. Secondly, as it was probably a rhinovirus picked up at school it demonstrates that the precautions do not work, unless SARS-CoV-2 is more intelligent than its rhinovirus cousins and knows it’s ow limitations.
Hi p02099003
Sorry I got your profession wrong, I was going to say medical professional, then changed it.
Doh!
yes – i recall you have mentioned it before… You are still a health professional though … (and a sensible one!!)
the main point though is if this had been initiated by the school it would have resulted in sending the class home and required a negative test. As it was , they are not aware .. so all that was needed was calpol, ice cream and early night ( i think that is what i need!) and by monday no one would notice!!
The most ridiculous thing is that the appointment was booked by the child’s own GP surgery (we are an out of hours clinic) after the receptionist had asked the CoViD19 screening questions and decided that we could see her, because the GP was doing telephone consultations only.
It would be slightly amusing if some tested positive and some negative – as they all live in the same house, you’d surely expect all to get the same result..
Boris in yet more trouble?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8753857/Downing-Street-forced-deny-Italian-newspapers-claims-Boris-Johnson-enjoyed-jaunt-Perugia.html
Is this the camping trip being found out?
No, another, more recent trip. The ‘camping trip’ was likely a photo op after the annual visit a PM and his partner normally has to Balmoral when HM is on her summer vacation. From there he most likely went by private jet to his old man’s 80th in Greece.
Weekend party with his Russian paymaster
Once again just shows how serious this whole thing is. If there was a national crisis politicians and the PM in particular would not be holidaying all the time.
Why does he need a mask? He had COVID and therefore cannot get it again.
Sorry to say we had to wear masks at our local boozer yesterday…mainly so we don’t get dragged off by the police for ‘Wrong Thnking’
Plus we’re getting a lot of listens in Australia…so I’m expecting the Victoria police to get a plane over here to extradite us and charge us with being REAL NORMAL!
Cheers
>> What does everyone think of how govt will react to this?
By doubling down on their commitment to eradicating the virus in order to show us all how caring and compassionate they are. By ramping up their language from talking about this terrible, devastating virus to this hell-sent demonic force that is lethal to all who even think about it. By panicking like crippled deer in the headlights.
Facts wash of this bunch like water off wax.
Yes Mike, they have become so predictable. We can read them like a book.
Have had the same thoughts. I really hope his understandable frustration hasn’t pushed him into a misstep.
Not sure. I get where you are coming from, but as he has been in the MSM and on camera, plus the work he has done on Primodos, I think he will garner more support when he is next on TV. Will he just say he is getting ’emotional’ because he is so worried that this is wrong for the country and fellow citizens with delayed cancer referrals, heart attacks and strokes, not to mention mental health and poverty-related illnesses?
By the way, wonder whether he will be interviewed on Sky later today to rebut whatever tosh the CMO and CSA have to say this morning – they appear to me to have been put out to deflect as fall guys?
There’s obviously form between the two camps (Gupta was Anderson’s post doc just before Neil Ferguson). Although Carl Heneghan is in his own funded institute (CEBM), they all know each other through the university association – and their kids are all at one or more of three/four schools.
No one is listening to Whitty, Vallance, Boris or Hancock anymore as the cat is out of the bag. An on the JHB show this morning she had Graham Whettome a police analyst saying the £10,000 fines can’t be enforced because of problems with the tests. Let’s just get on with life.
He is often on Sky . I think is a former senior detective in the Met. Has excellent contacts!
We can’t just get on with life. We need an equivalent of the Nazi catching squads to go after these people and prosecute. A message needs to be sent through history so we never experience this again.
Then we can get on with life.
Go Julia Harley-Brewer on Talk Radio. Completely got Grant Schapps on the ropes about PCR testing. He genuinely didn’t understand the false positive errors thrown up when testing. There clearly has been NO cabinet scrutiny or understanding at all!!!!
Anybody heard the interview between Julia Brewer and the Secretary of State for transport on Talk Radio. It is gold. Shapps has no clue on the false positives, thick as pudding.
Yes, just like Hancock last week. Here’s a graph for them:
http://fracturetraining.com/mrg/pcr_false_positives_effect.pdf
Ah, yes, but according to him, that’s not the problem… the big problem, the reason the economy is in free-fall, companies on their knees – it’s all because people can’t travel into work because of all that nasty graffiti they see!
Best commuter graffito ever, each word on three pillars came into view to reveal one word at a time
Good
Morning
Lemmings
On off ramp M4-North Circular, 1980’s, stayed there for months
JHB having a sceptic morning on TalkRADIO, Grant Shatts just had a good ear beating.
interview ended with Shatts saying he will question government advisers about false positive pillar 2 tests. We shall see.
She is saying what has been said on here for months and LS was mentioned by a Dr Mike Yeadon during the show earlier.
if you read this Julia, well done and keep up the pressure.
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I LOVE Carl Heneghan!
He should be given a knighthood
So do we!
Apologies if these points have already been mad
I’ve just looked at the statistics for France and Spain as they, are constantly held up as being a warning to us.
France – cases are now double what they were back in the Spring but the mortality figures are less than 6% what they were back then. (using 7 day average).
Spain – over the last months they’ve had a ‘wave’ probably bigger than that which occurred in March and April, but deaths are less than an eighth of what they were back then.
In a brief discussion on radio 4 this morn it was noticeable how swiftly the interviewer scotched one chap’s attempt to make a comparison with Sweden. “That’s not what we want to know, thank you very much!” (Well, she didn’t say that, but I thought she might just well have done. “We haven’t got time” is what she said, or something similar.)
I’m going to say that actual Covid deaths in France and Spain haven’t gone up at all, reported deaths were always going to edge up slightly as a direct result of increased testing and ‘cases’.
It’s a Ponzi scheme.
Quoted you above Ned. I think you write this so well.
Thank you.
It beats me if it takes me but two minutes to discover journalists questioning government ministers haven’t discovered it.
Interesting that the Oxford University Scientists talk in terms of UK Government policy being ruled by astrology.
Covid-19 as a modern day variant of an antique technocratic control device
It’s interesting, the suggested link with prescription drugs has played on my mind.
However, I find it funny that people disrespect astrology – a extremely tense and difficult year followed by a recession has been widely predicted by the vast majority of astrologers.
For those with a curious mind and open mind (no offence taken Carl, those of us interested in astrology have long since got used to be seen as crackpots!) here is a link to two interesting posts about this year.
https://astro-awakenings.co.uk/astrology-in-the-age-of-covid-19
https://astro-awakenings.co.uk/the-astrology-of-2020-part-4-the-role-of-saturn
As it happens, astrologers have been talking about 2020 as a year of political transformation (one way or another) for many years – referring to it as The Great Reset!
Yep, I can do astrology. There is a serious and unusual conjunction at the moment which has been active for about a year – looks like a power grab. Plus another aspect which means enforced control.
Next year is much more rebellious though!
Roll on 2021!
I’ve up voted you Malcolm for not totally dismissing my post! The Great Reset – it’s unfortunate given the link with the WEF.
I upvoted yours too, Alison, because it looks like an interesting read (yours wasn’t showing when I posted mine, though).
I believe it was the financial astrologer, Ray Merriman, who first described 2020 with that phrase, maybe as much as ten years ago. He quite likely has followers in WEF circles, so it might not be random coincidence – though I daresay many in the WEF would think the link with astrology is unfortunate!
Torygraph:
‘ Thousands of thugs, thieves and drug offenders have been let off prosecutions by the police during the coronavirus pandemic to ease the pressure on the court system, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.
Police have dropped prosecutions in at least 6,000 cases and instead applied out-of-court measures such as community resolutions which do not result in a criminal record.’
I was sitting outside a cafe on the beach near the i360 in Brighton on Saturday. All the other establishments around were fairly busy. No less than THREE police were above on the promenade filming the people sitting outside the cafes. In case there were more than six at any one table, no doubt.
A murder might have stirred them to proper policing. Perhaps not. They’re going to have to live in barracks after this is over. Not amongst us.
Could someone please tell us why the riot police charged the peaceful anti lockdown protest on Saturday, why and on whose orders? And why was nothing of the same seen at the BLM protest yesterday?
Write to the Met. Talk to the ablut policing consent and how you would like to understand the different approaches. How tactical assult glives were used by one group and not by another etc. Do it politely, do it clearly. If you are very lucky you may get a reply in two weeks time giving a communication serial number to say your thoughtful, polite correspondence has been swallowed by the system.
You could try asking your MP or the MP for policing – reminding them that the police act under the Nolan Principles and are therefore bound to behave in an open and transparent manner – as far as operationally possible.
A local councillor for that area of london might fear loss of their career if enough voters urge them to seek explanation.
Good luck to you. Without a police command radio intercept of the day you’ll never know why.
Good idea. Could also try the Sadiq Khan approach: every 2nd or 3rd sentence chuck in the words ‘tolerance, diversity, equality’ in there.
New blue plaque gone up in London: “It’s wonderful. Londoners always celebrate tolerance, diversity, and pride themselves on equality…”
Major terrorist attack: “It’s obvious they target us because of our tolerance, diversity, and equality…”
Protests in London – well well, where is the Met commitment to tolerance, diversity, and equality??!
And provide a link to the hands-off approach to BLM and XR protests over the weekend for comparison. Get them to explain the difference…
I’ve seen more of the videos now, so have a better understanding of the police tactics on the day. What I saw can only come from where I was, stood on the Pall Mall corner of Trafalgar Square, between the ice cream cone and the National Gallery.
We suspect the orders came from upstairs to disrupt the protest and provoke a response. The police made an early move on the stage and were repulsed – myself included, many believe it to have been a feint. There was a little bit of argy-bargy, with an officer claiming he had been pushed over, the man he accused said he pushed back after being shoved himself. I think this is the excuse the police are using for their later charge.
The move at about 3-30pm was classic kettling, and they only moved once the crowd had thinned somewhat. I suspect this was what they were really waiting for, to expose those remaining as the veterans protecting the stage. Orders from above (I believe, I don’t KNOW for certain), tactics decided by the man in charge on the ground.
I never knew until last night the police had brought dogs as well as horses. I suspect they expected more trouble.
One of the officers ran full tilt into one of the concrete blocks (anti-terrorist device, I think), so that was doing its job, at least!
The BLM protest is a “good” protest, so the police are given orders to be nice at those.
Dude, next Saturday just stand your ground and when you see the whites of their eyes, call out “Black Lives Matter”
Good idea :o))
Might be a good idea for a chant if the police start to look threatening.
That’s cultural appropriation!
Sadiq is the boss
Uplifting story from the Netherlands: Dutch students ignore coronavirus hysteria and decide to have a life, showing police officers what they think of the stupid new rules which came into force in the last few days, even pelting waste at them. Interesting detail is that the Dutch police, even after having been pelted with waste(!), still had to ask for official legal permission to enter the house!
Quick translation:
Rotterdam students pelt agents who act against illegal house party
The police in Rotterdam-Kralingen took dozens of young people out of a student house during an illegal party. The agents were pelted with waste from the student house during the police action.
The party in the building on the Oostzeedijk Beneden, corner of Avenue Concordia, was on Saturday evening. While meetings at home are limited to six people because of the corona crisis, at least 55 young people were partying in the student house.
When officers went to take a look, they received a load of household waste from above. They then decided to apply for a so-called ‘authorization to enter’ based on their suspicion an illegal party was ongoing.
According to the police when several police units entered, at least twenty young people took off through the back door. Dozens of other boys and girls tried to hide in rooms, beds, toilets and bathrooms. They were reportedly almost without exception dead drunk.
In the living room it was “one big mess with open bottles and cans of alcohol”, says spokesman Lilian van Duijvenbode. The young people still present behaved in a recalcitrant manner and refused to cooperate and obey the order to leave the building. “They were forced out with appropriate force. And some force was also used outside,” the police spokesman continues.
Outside, the data of 36 young people was registered. They were all fined for violating the corona rules. Van Duijvenbode: “Local residents who saw it all happen, were just about to applaud the police.”
(original link: https://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/199280/Rotterdamse-studenten-bekogelen-agenten-die-optreden-tegen-illegaal-huisfeest)
Notice that last sentence: “were just about to applaud the police”. If that were to be true, then only because such student houses have been known to create a lot of noise complaints over the years. But now finally there is something that doesn’t make you a “small-minded snitch” or something like that, it actually makes you a “hero” and a “soldier” in the “war against corona”.
Grant Shapps showing a Hancockesque understanding of PCR test false positives on JHB Talk Radio programme this morning
any link for that?
Likely to be a snippet on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s Twitter, and she often provides a link to the complete versions of her interviews on youtube..
Former chief scientific advisor at Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon has called on Matt Hancock to provide evidence that the UK is heading towards a second coronavirus wave.
Coronavirus: ‘At most we’re in a second ripple’, says scientist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bwebLohmN4
In mind of today’s announcements I saw these two snippets of pertinent information on yesterdays comments. They may be good to bear in mind when the witching hour is upon us with the pulpit speeches of Witty -Sturgeon – Drakeford – not sure who will speak in NI.
Quote from yesterday:
“France – cases are now double what they were back in the Spring but the mortality figures are less than 6% what they were back then. (using 7 day average).
“Spain – over the last months they’ve had a ‘wave’ probably bigger than that which occurred in March and April, but deaths less than an eighth of what they were back then.”
“In March, infection to hospitalisation was ~2 weeks, admission to death 1-2 weeks (on average).”
There has been a small increase in admissions, if things go like they did in March we should be seeing deaths increasing between middle of next week and the middle of the week after.
Thank you to the commenters I’ve quoted, I see tham as a useful rough guide.
Never ever thought I would say this: Brilliant article in the MOS yesterday by David Mellor.
Mellor was born a few months after me (late 1940’s) and the description of the genuine health scares of Polio,TB,Diphtheria and Measles pre 1950′ and later make for essential reading, it describes how people in the past dealt with life and death in all its forms.
Why are some people running around in ever decreasing circles shouting “Don’t you dare come near me because if you do; WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE”?
This is a mild illness in the majority of cases so I urge people to read ( even if you have to retrieve the MOS from a bin) this article.
Take the government mandated blickers off and open your eyes.
Toby and Will….absolutely brilliant LS today. I’m detecting, among friends who were full on enthusiasts, the sense that we are right!
If we can afford it, we should remember the ‘shameless begging bit ‘ below to help keep this amazing site running…..think how much cheaper it is compared to what counselling would have been!!
A lock down zealot friend of mine has turned recently into a sceptic – asked today for some bullet points and links she can share with family
Well, back to school lasted a whole 2 weeks. One +ive test, and the whole of year 6 now has 10 days of homeschooling. Best bit – school will be getting their online material ready for tomorrow… they’ve had months to get this prepared!!
Hoping that what tomorrow brings is somewhat better than they managed before the summer, which was about 45 mins worth of content each day.
Dovetails very nicely I imagine. I wonder if a second test was done?
and given the number of false positives, whether the child just has a cold and does not have covid (which is likely scenario)
Should make it back for a couple of weeks before that…
There’s no logic to it either – my youngest is still able to go back in, apparently the cunning virus won’t get passed between siblings…
My 8 year old on the way to school this morning:
“Daddy, I think I’ve got a cold.”
“No you haven’t”
“Yes, I keep sneezing.”
“No you don’t. Stop sniffing.”
The Daily Mail has come out against Whitty and Vallance. This is significant.
They have sensed the turn. This is the beginning of the end.
Finally, there is hope!
ps we should have a Nuremberg-style trial for all of these lockdown advocates when this is over
Make sure to include the school staff who are subjecting children to abuse and bullying.
Yes them too. I want them all behind barbed wire looking dejected like the sorry-looking Wermacht being rounded up in 1945.
Yes! They have a legal obligation to safeguard children which they are shamefully neglecting.
And don’t forget those Hitlers and Stalins in the retail, hospitality and transport sectors who treated their customers like crap in the name of “safety”
I sense a turn. The Nick Triggle piece on BBC was excellent today. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649
BBC looking for a way out of being blamed for the worldwide lockdown induced apocalypse?
The BBC must not survive this. Shut it down and sell all the assets.
Yes, they have failed abysmally. And they have no excuse like the Daily Mail, they don’t need the click bait since they are semi-publicly funded.
Have told the wife and kids they have until renewal time next summer to wean themselves off it, I won’t be renewing it!
A rousing hear hear!!!
“We should have a Nuremberg-style trial for all of these lockdown advocates when this is over.”
A full plenary Royal Commission into who said what and when, who decided what and when, the consequences, the actual real world results in data, comparisons with countries who acted differently (we all know which one in particular).
Investigation and recommendations with regard to rule by diktat/Statutory Instrument, investigation into police and armed forces’ involvement. Investigation into why Parliament ran away instead of doing their duty to their constituents.
Because so many people have been adversely affected, mentally and physically, and because so many have died unnecessarily, both in the care home scandal and through denying access to the NHS, the sentences for the guilty MUST be severe.
Politicians and their advisers need reminding that they are the servants and not the masters of the people.
Yes, proper criminal tariffs for those found culpable. A full cleansing of ‘the system’ that has failed us all so abysmally.
I understand where you are coming from on this I really do. But where do you stop? The doctors and nurses who deliberately ignored their own medical ethics and effectively withdrew care from the people they are sworn to help. The dentists who shut down dental treatment completely for 6 months. The school heads who denied children education. The list goes on and on . Obedience to authority is not a valid defence in international law. That was established in the Eichmann trial. No one can argue: “I was just doing what I was told. I was just following orders.” But it goes deeper than that. We have all given our authority and dignity away in return for being looked after by our government and all it’s agencies. Government is supposed to serve the people. But if the people are asleep something insidiously evil starts to happen. We are all complicit in this. We reap what we sow.
Fair enough?
Everyone who wore a mask whilst shopping was a contributor, for example, and is therefore partly responsible for this “tyranny of stupid ideas” and the subsequent effects on society, liberty, the economy, the future.
That doesn’t mean they should all go to jail, of course. But they are still “guilty”.
Could not agree more. Stupidity and ignorance should not absolve anyone of responsibility.
Plus don’t forget the lockdownistas and those who to this very day still berate us for being “selfish”
Agree they should not go to jail and they will be so embarrassed by their posts and selfies wearing muzzles that they will try to delete them. But we should never let them forget that they were collaborators and complicit in all this.
I say this as someone who has always instinctively, like Burke, believed in “the genius of the constitution” and that, if the constitution is changed, it should be done gradually and carefully:
Our entire constitution has failed and is irrevocably broken. I don’t think we can limp ahead with what’s left, because now we know how it can be easily abused.
We need a new constitution. Root and branch. The system is rotten to the core.
The latest threats from the government are like Hitler’s V1 and V2 weapons – dangerous, damaging, but the last throw of desperate people.
The V2 cost more lives that it ended too…
Anyone else playing Covid bingo at the next briefing? This is my card:-
Prevent a second wave
Exponential growth
Hospitalisations
R rate
Spain
Concerning/worrying/alarming
Winter
Spike
Tipping point
Control
NHS
Unfortunate
New measures
Unprecedented
Together
Social responsibility
Quarantine
Disobedient scum
They might not say that last one but pretty sure they’ll be thinking it.
uptick
surge
ramp up
won’t mention sweden
or vaccine as they know that’s way to dodgy to get in to yet.
Sorree, Vallance the Vaccine did the hopeful end note (like you have to, so as not to scare everybody to death) talking about the 6 or so in Phase 3 trials.
This is a really interesting article regarding the progress of the covid vaccines – interesting (to say the least) that main shareholders in Moderna have offloaded their shares..: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/21/coronavirus-vaccine-patent.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200921Z1&mid=DM660562&rid=969575901
New measures! That’s good as cheating putting that on your list. Every second word between breaths will be new measures!
“Deadly disease”
“Exponential”
“Until we have a vaccine”
Safe
‘the harder we lock down, the quicker it will be over’
probably won’t use ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’
three to six years, to be certain
“3 to 6 years to flatten our civilisation” sounds about right.
Hands
Face
Space
Bish, bash, bosh.
Wibble.
Eyes down, look in.
Bingo!
Nice one! We’ll have to work on the calls too. Two fat ladies – increased mortality risk.
following The Science
Round the clock
At pace
Whatever it takes
The good work we’ve all done
British people
Every death a tragedy
I urge everyone to take Peter Hitchens’ advice and email their MPs. I have just done so, despite him being Labour with an unassailable majority. To my shame it’s the first time I have done so. I felt powerless against the overwhelming strength of the media narrative and total acquiescence of all MPs, and I didn’t believe I could make a case that would make a difference.
But Mr Hitchens is right – we needn’t convince them with powerful missives that persuade them of our case. We simply need to show them that we are angry, and that for them, the bell tolls.
Mine has had 6 emails over the last week
I’m drafting a new one to my MP – also Lab, also in the safest of seats – I’m going for the constitutional and emotional approach. I’ll post it here as a draft when done.
Two things putting a spring in my step as I do some training with the Spaniels. One is the traction that scepticism around the PCR test is beginning to gather the other is the intervention of Farage, a shameless populist rabble rouser he might be but where he leads Johnson generally follows.
When you said about Johnson following Farage, I got a picture of the two Davids from Spitting Image in my head. Johnson of course was David Steele, the smaller of the two Davids.
‘youth’ today being interviewed on R4 asked whether she or her friends would obey a new lockdown. Answer – ‘No’. ‘Thanks for being so honest!’
Heard it; hope my granddaughter says the same after deferring her university place till next year .
I mean:How the hell can you study Dance and Choreography while social distancing and wearing a face nappy?
I told my Dad with a straight face that Nigel Farage would be getting my vote. He was dismayed but I said that the lockdown restrictions are a far bigger issue than Brexit or immigration and I had a moral duty to support ANY politician that wanted to see an end to The Madness.
That’s a reasonable position, though I suspect that covid will be long forgotten (apart from the consequences of lockdown etc) long before any meaningful elections come up.
I think a key sign things are turning will be when we go to the supermarket and 80%+ are no longer masked. It will be a sign both that people are no longer being brainwashed and that they are able to pluck up the courage to engage in a small but symbolic act of rebellion.
50% unmasked in my local Sainsbury this morning. And masking has only been in a week here in Wales.
Anyone read Triggle, just published – ‘is it time we learnt to live with the virus?’
It’s brilliant.
Sorry, no link – google it. Also he just tweeted it.
No fucking bill gates or 5g, just common bloody sense and a well presented argument against all the measures the government are planning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649
Nick Triggle has been good all the way through. The BBC has ‘allowed’ him to say this. I suspect they are as bored of the lockdown as we are and worried about ‘collateral’
Top comments almost all anti-lockdown.
At least, not a conspiracy “theory”. Is it conspiracy if it’s in plain sight (and has a very large and impressive website)? The “piracy” part is probably true, I suspect.
Boris Johnson – the voice of tyranny – leaves this woman in tears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnUErvMrJA4
Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON
121K subscribers
Can you imagine being so confused and upset that you’re too scared to let your carers and son in bringing you food. This caller tonight blew my mind!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnUErvMrJA4
Despicable terrorising people like this. How dare the government frighten elderly people.
Would just like to draw attention to the fact that the Telegraph is actively removing ‘likes’ from anti-lockdown posts, even when it hasn’t deleted the posts themselves. Clearly the editorial comment team and the comment censorship team are not seeing eye-to-eye.
There is no opportunity to comment after the heneghan article in the Telegraph
I was posting comments against the Telegraph editorial mentioned in today’s lockdownsceptics late last night. Saw likes on one of my posts go to 13. Checked ten minutes later – 2. Checked again 10 minutes later – 0. This morning the post (and lots of the other sceptical posts on the same article) had disappeared.
Heneghan needs to publish his articles on Twitter, not behind a paywall. Look how many retweets Julia H-B can get when she posts sceptic articles, graphs etc!
A person can read Twitter without needing to sign up to it or pay anything..
Think it works the same way as it does here, where you might uptick a comment only to find that that triggers 2 down ticks! It’s just a lag in updating in the system, they’re all valid ticks but not instantly reflected. Not censorship.
Just spoken to my sister – the article by Carl Heneghan in Mail over weekend has completely turned her into questioning the entire thing and she was really sceptical today. How many other Mail readers were turned over the weekend…..?
Lord Heneghan
I would prefer Carl Heneghan, CMO
Lord Heneghan, CMO?
https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/09/was-lockdown-needed.html
“We are overly sentimental about death because we treat it as something not normal and indeed an outrageous imposition.
We are no longer the people who read the casualty pages in July 1916 with stoicism, lack of fuss and determination to carry on.”
Good piece.
This is exactly right. “Death, where is thy sting, where is thy victory?” was an attitude much better suited to human beings.
Did my car boot yesterday, a large site, so a good opportunity for people watching. Besides having a one way system around the site, which did not prohibit walking past people, stopping to browse etc., so no real infringement, everything else was gloriously normal. No swervers, not one, people standing and talking at normal distances, cash and casusl chat exchanged in a natural fashion, about 5% wore masks.I was there for 5 hours with a constant stream of people passing my stall, so you do the maths on numbers. Considering there was a good cross section of society there, I think it is safe to say what a lot of people there thought of the risk of this ‘deadly virus’. The only thing that spoilt the day was the arrival of a single plod towards the end, who had a wander about.
As car boots are a good place to find damaged items, did you notice if anyone was trying to sell the UK economy (“hardly used guv. was in decent nick but got broke this year with some fat blonde kid trying to play with it. Its nice an clean though .. wiped it down with bleach”)
Another sleepless night. After a wonderful day walking in the Kent countryside, the OH noticed as we were returning home that signs had appeared nearby for a “Low traffic zone”. A Google search produced a twitter feed from Councillor Claire Holland, who seems to have employed a child to produce a delightful map of the proposals.
I live on a small park with four roads giving access. This would knock it down to one in and one out and mean a detour onto main roads each time I want to use my car. Deliveries? Forget it.
No consultation. No warning (to be introduced 28 September). Just a Twitter feed. I was so angry and upset I’ve laid awake all night. There is no longer democracy in England. Why not just ban cars outright to “enable social distancing”? If you flick through Ms Holland’s twitter feed you can see the draft letter that residents have still not received, but which she saw fit to share with her twitter followers. If someone can translate this garbage for me, I’d be most grateful.
Lesley Mcinnes a senior empolyee of the council here has been causing large outrage by her comments in the press about road infrastructure alterations which all amount to choking the roads of our city – covid measures. Latest comment from mcinnes was it was the fault of 2000 attendees at an open air public meeting that they misunderstood what measures were temporary and what were permanent.
Battle axe type with no place in public service life. One mode antagonistic.
Frankly the outrage seems a deliberate way of diverting from the dirty work of shifting our city into a bleak low mobility city. The will be putting up zones with crossing checkpoints any day.
In fact, the Spanish and French examples make the case against any future lockdowns/circuit-breakers/imprisonment much more strongly the the excerpt from the Oxford team’s article suggested. Have a look at worldometers.info. Spain’s ‘second wave’ reached the same peak In cases as the first, around 10,000 a day, but the ‘second wave’ lasted ostensibly many more weeks. Yet Spain’s COVID deaths were around 900/day in wave 1 and less than 100 in wave 2. In France, the second wave is ostensibly affecting 10,000 or so a day, double the peak of wave 1. Yet COVID deaths in France are running around 50/day now, compared with 975/day in wave 1. Don’t mention: the testing boom, the false positives and never, under any circumstances…Sweden.
And, I believe neither Spain or France have felt the need to lock the country down to bring the blip under control.
A good point!
In other words, ‘Show us the Shrouds’.
Peter Hitchens will be watching Whitty etc. live with Talk Radio at 11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jesxGwo4bTg
does James O’Brien have any callers on or does he just rant shit for hours?
Callers don’t stop him from ranting shit either.
Only listened once since late March and he was full on belittling people as conspiracy theorists, I have taken my listening across to TalkRADIO where they seem, for the most part, far more sensible.
This 2nd wave hysteria wouldn’t have anything to do with the Coronavirus Act with its sweeping “temporary” powers coming up for review on 25th September have anything to do with another lockdown, would it.
Or am I a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist?
You are correct!
Common Purpose.
Training resources are available on cpexposed website. They are a little old but tyey are tgere. In one of them you can read how common purpose operatives must act to overcome opposition to the projects common purpose graduate are pushing through.
The manual uses really emotive blunt force language and uses the following annaology. From memory:
– Momentum. A stationary object can easily be crushed with your own momentum. If two cars are hurtling towards each other and crash it will kill you. You must act to stop opposition gaining momentum before it starts. – from a cp trsining doc around 2007 iirc.
Point being we currently have momentum. Today witty will comeback with a harsh hit, but how we respond may already be determined by our momentum. Keep working and speaking.
Things are incredibly good when you consider how much strategic calculating is being done by the oppresive regime.
Common Purpose??
I do hope you are suggesting using their own tactics against them by this post?
Common Purpose and Common Core are just one of the many tools the cabal has used to get ‘the right sort of leadership and stanfards’ into prominant positions throughout society, institutions, government, media, education etc etc
But then again….there are no conspiracies!!!!
I am saying today’s/this week’s operation by government is to hit our momentum. They need to crush us because we are growing.
A group of us across medicine, academia and other areas have come together and sent this letter to the PM and his team.
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1307972101463212032
Love it. Hancock is NOT one of the addressees.
A weighty and well-considered letter.
This should be todays headline.
Just saw it, liked it, and retweeted it!
Some thoughts on false positives. Looking at the statistics at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing it seems since the beginning of this month the test process seems to be have running at nearly 100% capacity – yesterday 233k tests, capacity 253k. Earlier in the summer it was more like 50% of capacity. I suspect this leads to many corners being cut to keep the pace up and cross contamination, with many tests being done in car parks through car windows, must be a huge factor. Any reputable test station surely does quality processes to establish the reliability of their process. If they do do such why is that information not made public?
Don’t expect Hancock, or even Witty, to know this…
Hmm, I suspect that they do indeed know!
Are all the binned tests being classed as positive or negative?
Together with false positive tests from pillar 2, we also hear of people who book a test, do not take the test and get a positive result.
The way they are doing this testing is failing us.
Who is actually doing the testing, is it PHE, NHS, military, private companies or a mix and match of the above?
McDonalds
Pillar 2 are the Serco-type operations.
Increasingly, the people doing the tests are those who stand to profit from us doing more of them. Rates reducing? Simply increase the cycle threshold and… PROFIT! £££
There’s a HYS on bbc under the Triggle article. Dash in uptick all the sensible comments before the 77th brigade lot get in!
It won’t let me post
Did it.
A couple of thoughts on the items in today’s edition.
First – it’s interesting to see how Heneghan and the CEBM have stopped pulling punches. Up to recently, articles have been remarkably restrained in avoiding going beyond the strict bounds of scientific discourse. Clearly something has changed as the government-supporting pseudo-scientists have become more egregious in their myth creation.
Re. France – given the difference in levels between the peak of infections and the current situation, I am bemused at the idea that hospitals are under any strain.
Re. Scotland and the union :
“very few people value liberal democracy, having no problem when democratic governments took away their freedom”
…. is a common problem that is patently true.
But it is interesting how this cuts across both the issue of the national union and the EU.
The fascinating issue about the UK is that, in this case, the Wee Krankie has held onto her image by actually doing the same as Johnson – not by any difference in approach.
In the larger context of the EU – Brexit has clearly become an irrelevance as the UK, governed by a distinctly pro-Brexit caucus has behaved exactly in line with the wider governmental consensus at the global level. How many of us would have foreseen the slavish adoption of the framework of a common framework of the police state as the successor to the Brexit argument?
“The fascinating issue about the UK is that, in this case, the Wee Krankie has held onto her image by actually doing the same as Johnson – not by any difference in approach.”
I hate to admit it, because I loathe the woman, but she-who-must-not-be-named is a far better communicator than Johnson. You’re right, she’s done the same things, but she’s managed to maintain her demeanor of only trying to do what’s best. Assuming he ever had it (and I used to think he did), Johnson has now lost his knack of getting the message across. Possibly he’s good at getting exuberance across, but all he thinks he has to give now is doom. Either way, at this point, I wouldn’t give him 50p if he were in a sleeping bag next to a cash machine.
I’m assuming the dog was there?
Then in full compliance with the law. Nowhere does it say that the T&T form must name a human.
lol
Blood pressure tablets anyone, we may need them after this.
increased number of “cases” is not due to increase testing.
buttering us up for a lockdown
We will need monthly vaccinations the way he is talking.
Massive cash for his sponsors.
Is London really on the brink. I’ve plotted the latest test data for 3 London areas, Westminster, Sutton & Haringey, I could have picked any, they all show a similar trend.
I’ve also included the rate of testing increase. You can see that testing is going up faster than positive results & as we know that the relationship between more tests and more positives is so crucial (I’ll repost my graphic from yesterday showing that 1,000 positive tests may represent as few as 13 symptomatic people).
Before Mayor Khan, Boris or Hancock go destroying businesses and lives they need to be able to tell us why this stuff is wrong. This is their own data just shown in a digestible form.
‘vast majority of population susceptible based on the numbers with antibodies’
This is Neil Ferguson’s opinion all the way through
“This isn’t a prediction” but look at this graph of how we are pretidcting cases will rise.
Expletive.
‘Estimated hospitisations’
Here’s a chart that shows how 1,000 positive cases may convert to 13 real ones.
Project fear is being ramped up again as we go into flu season.
The great fearing is all they have to control. Slow patient exposure of the lies is working.
Look at Witty and Vallance walking up downing street. Two more self conciously aware unhappy wretches you are unlikely to see. These are people not at the peak of their game.
This virus has never been exponential outside of the initial rise and there is no reason to believe it now after nearly 6 months ffs. Who is letting Whitty propagate these absolute falsehoods?? That guy should be locked up.
Being exponential is not a property of the virus but of the sequence of numbers describing its spread. There is some reason to believe that certain numbers are increasing exponentially at the moment, such as hospital admissions with Covid in the North-West region.
‘not a property of the virus but of the sequence of numbers describing its spread’.
Er thanks I thought that was obvious.
The numbers appear exponential as cases rise. This was true for the initial rise also. But as numbers spread as more data is known then it was obvious that the virus had a normal distribution.
The same will be true now. The reason for any ‘exponential’ rise can be many but as we head into the autumn it is normal to expect that colds and flu will increase. However these are also not ‘exponential’ as they too will have a normal distribution.
I’m glad you told us about the numbers thing – I think we would all have been confused about that. Not.
And other sequences of numbers that might be increasing exponentially:
If you’re not confused about it, that’s good. The phrase “This virus has never been exponential” was, if not confused, at least confusing, in suggesting that being exponential was a property of the virus.
The “exponential” bit is that it reduces exponentially, rather than increases exponentially (as immunity builds). Gompertz.
“Sir Patrick says about three million people – or 8% – in the UK have antibodies, meaning the vast majority of us are not protected and are susceptible to the disease.
If someone has antibodies present it suggests they have already had the virus.
The number of people with antibodies is a little higher in the cities – perhaps as high as 17% in London, he adds.”
Jeez! How can a ‘scientific advisor’ get away with such garbage about the sources of immunity? Even amateurs like myself know at least the fact that it is a far more multi-factor issue.
Are they doing any random antibody testing? Otherwise how can they know?
Yes, ONS are doing both PCR testing (current infection) and antibody testing (past infection). See Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey pilot: England and Wales, 18 September 2020 . Currently 6% for England and 11% for London.
Whitty’s 8% and 17% figures are from tests on blood donors, who of course are not a random sample, being more likely to be healthy young adults.
Four independent random studies were presented. Only the blood donor study is non-random selection. They all give broadly the same conclusion – less than 1/10 people have antibodies against the pathogen. We can debate the role of other routes of immunity (e.g., cross-reactive T cell), but there have been no epidemiological studies that have shown a role for this route in SARS-COV2 infection.
According to the excellent Simon Rushworth MD, there have been no epidemiological studies that show that antibodies necessarily confer immunity either.
“As yet, no proper studies have been performed, to my knowledge, showing that antibodies give immunity to covid, and no studies have been done showing that T-cells give immunity to covid either for that matter. However, we know from experience of infectious diseases in general that an antibody response and/or a T-cell response usually means that you are protected from future infection, at least for a time, and often for a lifetime.”
And the recent Karolinska Institutet study found:-
“Let’s start with the blood donors who donated blood in 2019. They weren’t tested for antibodies (strange, I would have tested them just to have a baseline, to see what the rate of false positives was, but maybe there was some technical reason as to why this wasn’t possible) but they were tested for covid-specific T-cells. Not surprisingly, no-one in that group had T-cells (0/37).
Next, we can look at the people who were convalescing from severe disease. Among these individuals, 100% had antibodies, and 100% had T-cells (23/23). This makes sense. When you have a severe illness, you get a strong immune response.
Next up, let’s look at the people who were convalescing from mild disease. In this group 87% had antibodies (27/31), while 97% had T-cells (30/31). Again, this makes sense – if you have symptomatic disease, then that is a sign your immune system has realized there is an infection going on, so there should eventually be signs of that in the form of measurable antibodies and/or T-cells.
Now we can look at the exposed family members. Remember, this was a group of people that had not shown signs of symptomatic disease. In this group, 60% had antibodies (17/28), while 93% had T-cells! (26/28). This is pretty astonishing, and it shows two things. Firstly, if you lived with someone who had covid then you were most likely also infected. This is true even if you didn’t have symptoms, and even though you didn’t have symptoms, you most likely developed an adaptive immune response. Secondly, that immune response involved T-cells more often than antibodies.
Finally, we can look at the people who donated blood in May 2020. This was a random sample, so we don’t know how many had had symptomatic disease and how many had been completely asymptomatic up to the time point when their blood was drawn. In this group, 13% had antibodies to covid (4/31) and 29% had T-cells (9/31). That is pretty astounding. Now, again, this was a small trial and the cohort was small so the confidence intervals are wide. But it is still remarkable that twice as many people had T-cells as had antibodies in the random sample.
Additionally, this was in May, two months in to the pandemic. If 29% of Stockholm’s population had T-cells in May, then it’s reasonable to expect that by now, three months later, that number has at least doubled, which makes for a very reasonable explanation as to why the covid death rate has fallen so precipitously in Sweden – we’ve now reached the point where we have herd immunity. This is a speculative conclusion considering the small sample size, but it makes sense.”
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/08/what-is-the-best-way-to-measure-rates-of-covid-immunity/
That’s the blood serum percentage for specific antibodies. If you expand it to e.g. nasal tract, tear ducts etc. and include less specific antibodies, the number will be higher. See Hendrick Streeck interview on YouTube with “Unherd TV” for a fuller explanation.
Wonder what they would be saying if they weren’t both so naturally optimistic.
larf!
Watch Whitty’s right hand shaking. He’s clenching it to try and control it.
Hitler syndrome?
Notice how his left hand was well hidden and never seen throughout the briefing. I bet it was shaking like f*ck!
Doctor Strangelove?
Mein Fuhrer!!
Well i certainly think that he’s under terrible strain. And KNOWS he’s lying – he can’t be as innumerate as Hancock. Reminds me of the poor chap that blew the whistle on the false WMD report.
These are the signs to look for.
flattening the curve to protect the NHS – god help us
now mentioning the economy and mental health. probably wants to steer away from the cancer murders
It is NOT a pandemic!!!!!
According to Ivor Cummins it’s not even an epidemic – that finished around early June.
I wrote a blog entry about what Adam Smith would have made of all this. https://medium.com/@civitasperegrina/covid-19-circuit-breaks-mingling-curfews-and-the-men-of-system-a6602f2864f8
Fuck off Whitty. If masks worked why are we even having this conversation?? Quite clearly you are admitting that they don’t otherwise how you maintain the lie that ‘cases’ are rising?
No doubt they’ll say it’s because we aren’t wearing masks everywhere including outdoors and in our homes, etc. So the full implementation of masks will no doubt happen in the next few months.
You’re a little ray of sunshine Skipper but I think you’re probably right.
How do I get in touch with Will Jones please?
lockdownsceptics@gmail.com
Kill the elderly & infirm, *uck those with cancer, say hello to the new world order.
Does ANYONE understand the evolution of cases in Spain? Different sources report VASTLY different numbers!
Cases DOWN on Spanish official website (https://cnecovid.isciii.es/covid19/#ccaa)
Cases DOWN on Worldometers (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/)
Cases UP in Google search (https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB859GB859&ei=qFdoX–xM5PXgQa-45OwDA&q=spain+coronavirus+cases+latest&oq=spain+coronavirus+cases+latest&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQRzIECAAQR1AAWABg_draA2gAcAJ4AIABAIgBAJIBAJgBAKoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQTAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjvpdCc3vnrAhWTa8AKHb7xBMYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5)
Cases UP on RTVE website (https://www.rtve.es/noticias/coronavirus-graficos-mapas-datos-covid-19-espana-mundo/)
Cases UP on NY Times website (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/spain-coronavirus-cases.html)
How can this be???
If our decision makers are looking at the wrong numbers, they draw the wrong conclusions!
It’s just incompetence don’t give it another thought.
Good to see it starkly shown by your comment.
So the increase in positives is happening a) within the natural rise of respiratory illnesses and b) you haven’t changed the symptoms so you have the same attribution errors. But now because you are in the habit of it it’s easier to make the mistake.
Sweden is laughing at these idiots
4 things we can do
1 – masks, space and washing hands
2 – self-isolation and contact tracing
3 – stop households mixing
4 – vaccines
Is he aware there isn’t a vaccine?
he had a slide with a list of his sponsors
He should not have sponsors he is a civil servant.
And yet Sweden is only doing 1 and 2 (and the first part of 2 is limited to the actually sick, and vulnerable)…
No muzzles in Sweden
I know – I live there
All these indirectly exacerbate the health harm from the virus, by keeping susceptible the minority who are still susceptible, by reducing the efficacy of the human immunity through isolation, and by increasing anxiety and depression.
We don’t have a vaccine, other than mother nature’s vaccine.
What we need is a live attenuated vaccine.
Ah yes. The virus itself is serving that function now, since it appears to have lost most of its virulence.
OK so far:
1.increased testing has not resulted in increased positives – surely we can debunk this
2.wider immunity not addressed – neatly dodged with no focus on antibodies
3.no mention of false positives
4.banging on about virus still being dangerous but a mild illness for most – wtf
5.talks about indirect deaths and implications of virus getting out of control but fluffs it on increased deaths and implications happening now
6.dodges actual hospitalisations
Political nuggets – keen to mention no rise in children (i.e. they want to keep schools open)
There probably has been a slight uptick in real positives. I have expected this since April/May when I came to the view that this would be endemic and that they would increase in autumn/winter with an actual spike very slightly after the flu season (as is normal for coronaviruses). Strongly agree with your sentiments generally though!
Breaking news: “Sir Patrick Vallance warns Britain could be facing 50,000 new cases a day by mid-October leading to 200 deaths a day if current rate of infection is not halted”
But it’s not a prediction apparently.
All ready for the extention of the Coronavirus Act at the end of the month.
So even if his worst case scenario takes hold Covid will still only account for about 12% of daily deaths? No biggy then.
Is 200 deaths a day that much worse than a bad flu season?
about the same I’d have thought
Well Whitty quoted a figure of 20,000 deaths during the last bad flu season
Yes, that is the REAL aim of all this!
Exactly. You are spot on and it’s why the fear porn is being ramped up this week to get the extension nodded through the HoC.
Thanks to all of you brave enough to watch and report this hideous outpouring of lies and fear. It’s too much for me to take directly and I really appreciate the filter you’re providing.
Ditto
Same here. I can’t watch any of them, if I did something would end up through the tv and I can’t afford a new one!.
Yes, I feel sick just at the sight of their faces..
It wasn’t that bad really. I only leapt off the sofa and threw myself around the room spitting with rage once!
now its all about vaccines and stopping us meeting until we have one
What about your health passport, you will need one of those, like a dog travelling across international borders.
The plan then states that there would be “full rollout” in early 2021 to 10 million tests a day, to “enable people to return to and maintain normal life.” At this stage, weekly testing would be made available progressively to the whole population to allow people to go to high risk events by using a “digital passport” to show they have tested negative for the virus.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3558?fbclid=IwAR2dJkmPMYF8hzfaqwtv2xaM4JS_xdIGBVEpPW4XoWhxyknxs3bnHTf1Liw
Did Whitty and Vallance mention that?
That is the best example of cognitive dissonance I’ve seen since Comical Ali and the CNN guy reporting on the “mostly peaceful protests” with the house on fire behind him
Are you there Carl, it’s me, Jenny?
so that’s over.
it was preparation for a lockdown or short circuit or whatever. but they want schools and business opened.
If this so called ‘briefing’ doesn’t finally convince all the non believers and ‘conspiracy theory’ sceptics that all of this is a pre-meditated conspiracy to enslave the human race into a ‘new normal’ of totalitarian authoritarianism where the Ministry of Information controls the public narrative and everything goes down the memory hole that doesn’t suit the party at that particular time then I don’t know what will.
Reading a centrally dictated script. The same messages, almost word for word being used all around the world!
When telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act (Orwell) then the baw’s bust!
Whitty – ‘this is not a prediction’
BBC – “UK faces 50,000 cases a day by October without action”
They just can’t help themselves…
True, because it is a lie
Marianna Spring will be out and about dousing outbreaks of misinformation – the bbc will soo correct their error. No wait. Marianna spring is their to assist misinformation. Incompetent journalist that she is.
Still using the word “cases” and not infections.
Interesting that Johnson is not on the podium until tomorrow.
Maybe to see what the media response is to todays shenanigans.
Totally agree.
Yes, to gauge opinion first.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40052222.html
Michael O’Leary at his best!
Just got back in and missed the Twatty & Imbalance show – did they come clean and admitted to their colossal fuck ups?
I’ll let you take a guess at that…
I would love to say yes, but here, we tend to try and share accurate information.
Thanks MP – that made me laugh!!
OK, we need Carl Heneghan, Anders Tegnell or someone similar to come out with a quick statement to rubbish what those two have just said.
As I said on here on Friday and others have repeated this is project fear turned up to 11 to make sure emergency powers vote goes the way the government wants it.
I agree. This needs a step by step debunking.
Ivor Cummins is just the man for the job!
1.1 million views 8/9 excellent video. Btw.
Reposting from below…
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1307972101463212032
I’d be more impressed if the increase in positive tests was reflected in an increase in the proportion of positive tests as a percentage of all tests administered. I don’t see that.
So according the Vallance we haven’t reached herd immunity but need to stop people mixing who aren’t vulnerable and could help develop it? Whitty saying “ if I increase my risk then I increase the risk to everyone”. WTF, how when he also admitted that for most people it is a mild illness and and if they do get it they will developing the bloody anti bodies he says we haven’t got. I effing give up.
this is just a cue no doubt to tomorrow’s announcement to more restrictions
Spot on.
Two things:
(1) the X axis on the Spanish graph – did I see it showing 0.2 of a death per 100,000, i.e ONE death per 500,000?
(2) Whitty saying we must bear in mind NHS treatment being withdrawn will be a consequence of further restrictions. No shit, Sherlock. Tell us something we don’t know. No acknowledgment of deaths caused by the first lockdown. Are these men psycopaths?
Another psy-op leading – they hope – to compulsory vaccinations.
On point 2 – it is worse than that as they are now pointing the finger of blame on people not following the rules causing other conditions to not be treated on the NHS. i.e. it is those bad sceptics causing people to die from cancer, because their irresponsible behaviour is creating more Covid “cases” and clogging up the NHS. Definitely nothing to do with government policy.
“Buy, Buy, Buy”
“Sell, Sell, Sell”
“Test, Test, Test”
“Fear, Fear, Fear”
“Money, Money, Money”
Just a random thought.
2 week lockdown being suggested by some ‘Sir’ from SAGE on BBC
SAGE are a menace to society, incentivised only to urge caution. They should be locked up.
I agree with you.
The problem is, anyone who gives expert advice in these situations is strongly incentivised to present worst cases and urge caution, because they suffer little from being over cautious but massively from being under cautious, and they don’t bear the costs of over–reaction. That is born by the people and, ultimately by the government who (should) make the decisions taking a lot of wider factors beyond the medical advice into account.
A wise government takes that into account when considering their advice. A stupid government – well we’ve just seen what they do played out over the past six months.
Yes, there is no punishment for saying “I tried to protect people”. Well, there should be because they’re going to kill 100s of thousands in their efforts to ‘be kind’.
Indeed, an important tool in government planning is the Reasonable Worst Case. It is explicitly not a prediction, but an assessment of the worst thing you reasonably need to plan for being able to cope with.
For example, the RWC is that your house might burn down and one of your guests might be killed. Could you cope with that? Perhaps you might decide to install smoke alarms and take out insurance. You’re not saying that you predict that your house will burn down, simply that it. might — and you’re now satisfied you can cope with the worst thing that’s reasonably likely to happen.
It would be a mistake to refuse to invite people round because you had heard a prediction that your house will burn down.
“Reasonable Worst Case”
Notice that crucial first word. It makes all the difference.
What probability is ‘reasonable’? Given that ‘reasonableness’ is an imp0rtant legal criterion.
PS You notice that the opposite pole of ‘reasonable’ (i.e the equal probability of vanishingly mild effects) is not emphasized.
I’m not aware of a formal definition in that sense. However, let me quote from evidence given by the then Chief Science Adviser to the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee:
Whitty and Vallance have been ‘detached’ from the government to make their predictions (not Boris not there), so that when they are proved wrong, the government cannot be blamed – those 2 will be the fall guys..
Good point.
From his comfortable home in South West London. The guy after him had a bow-tie and waistcoat on, and some nice antique-looking art in the background. I’m sure the second lockdown will be a lovely chance for the pair of them to catch up on some gardening.
Just two weeks to break the circuit. I seem to recall hearing something similar once before.
We all know that the next lockdown will not be lifted until everyone has been vaccinated.
Ignore, defy it
I have no choice but to do so. Sadly the vast majority will be rolling up their sleeves without a second thought that they are condemning themselves to a technocratic dystopian hell for the rest of their lives. Shame on all of them.
Déjà entendu anyone?
50,000 cases a day – wow – they’ll need to do 5 million test a day to get that many false positives…
Actually they’d need to do 500 million a day. Equates to everyone in the countryt almost 10 times.
crikey – that’s interesting maths
False Positives “under 1%” {Handycockup) 50k x 100 = 5million.
And in fact the UK government found it to be 2.3% in June, so even the 1% is doubtful.
Peter Hitchins is on form in response to Chris & Patricks predictions.
Hitchins talking about various people not liking the views of others, but needing to get along… “In a matter like this where the future of the country is involved.”
The event this morning shows that reality is playing no part in current events.
I had a stroke two years ago and worked hard on my health and fitness, before lockdown I was in a good place. Now I can’t sleep, have constant tension headaches, have a foul temper,drink too much, have no motivation, the list goes on but you get the picture. This isn’t me feeling sorry for myself, on the contrary, all this crap has impacted me far less than millions of others. I feel angry for all the sick not getting treatment, all the elderly in care homes and those who are isolated, all those who have lost their jobs who will shortly, again the list goes on. I just want to sleep and wake up when the madness is over but know I need to keep fighting in my own way.
Thank you to everyone on here who has kept me sane on days when I really feel that I could lose the plot. Most of my family are in a coma and look at me with pity in their eyes, look at our sister the conspiracy theorist, never mind, she may recover one day!.
Hang in there. There are lots of us here who agree with you.
They don’t know it, but your understanding of reality (it’s not scepticism, it’s simply an appreciation of truth) might save them… I try and take solace in that when things are tough.
It’d be nice if they could explain what they aim to achieve with another “lockdown”, of course it’s quite tricky to explain that when one hasn’t a clue.
The aim was clear from what they said, it’s to get everyone vaccinated.
If that’s the case, we’ll be locked down till this time next year. Dr Scott Gottlieb, former head of the FDA, said last night likely no vaccine until Q2/Q3 2021 – he should know as he is on the board of Pfizer.
Maybe not even then… read this:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/21/coronavirus-vaccine-patent.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200921Z1&mid=DM660562&rid=969575901
If top executives at vaccine manufacturers are offloading their shares, then that could be a sign they know they are in trouble..
Found this in Vallance’s bin:
Gave me a good laugh! Humour is one of our best defences against this utter lunacy.
yes, I’ve already sent it to multiple email addresses. very good
Lovely. Orange is my favorite pen too!
Thank you so much. Not a lot to laugh at these days but that did the job.
Farage is opposing 2nd lockdown, we need someone to get behind!
The biggest problem all the counter experts face is lack of platform, BBC have one narrative and only one narrative.
Hello everyone, I’m Dr Sunken and this is Dr Cost. Together we are Fallacy!!!
the jokes on this site are just getting better
So 50,000 cases in mid October based on what? Lets guess, computer modelling by Neil Ferguson at Imperial College maybe?
In 2005 he predicted, based on his computer modelling that up to 200 million would die worldwide from Avian Flu H5N1, total eventual deaths was actually just 440.
That neil Ferguson.
They aren’t even modelling now, just looking at the trend and extrapolating.
That’s why we are all dead of flu by Spring every year
It was another Hockey Stick
Yes. They’ve gone from computer-assisted guesswork to pure guesswork.
That’s not correct. In 2005 he was interviewed by The Guardian about what might happen if Avian flu was transmitted between humans rather than only from birds to humans, and that was his off-the-cuff (not modelled) answer. As if happened, Avian flu did not become transmissible between humans, which is good.
He is still a cunt
I’m sure RP’s reply is technically correct here (and don’t understand the down-votes), and that we have to be careful in how we criticise the Great Professor.
He appears to like making apocalyptic projections, but to caveat at them such that, strictly speaking, he was still correct.
I’m don’t know if his work has ever given any benefit to mankind, yet it is clear that in some instances it has caused great harm. I am gobsmacked that he is regarded by anyone in government as a credible source of advice.
Let me be clear, that I hold no brief for Prof. Ferguson, nor have I analysed his complex models. I do however believe, firstly, that models in general, when correctly used, are capable of being valuable, and secondly, that Prof. Ferguson, like everyone else, is entitled to be criticised for what he actually said and did, rather than some fictitious version thereof — and the analogous belief for his or anyone else’s modelling.
I think that’s a very fair comment – especially ‘Prof. Ferguson, like everyone else, is entitled to be criticised for what he actually said and did, rather than some fictitious version thereof’
Much as I dislike the bloke, we’re not witch-hunting here, and we should try to deal in actual credible evidence.
In my opinion, if we get through to the actual evidence, as opposed to exaggerated reporting hereof, the case against him will likely get even more damning.
No idea if you’ll read this by now.
You can rewind on Talk Radio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jesxGwo4bTg
Have a glass of something strong in hand.
I think they’ve overplayed their hand. In the last 6 months even the most conformist have become armchair experts and can see straight through the fear porn graphs shown.
Very astute comment imo.
I enclose a copy of the letter sent to my local Labour MP, Alex Sobel this morning.
I would encourage other sceptics to do the same to their respective MPs.
Dear Alex,
As a seventy year old resident of Otley I voted enthusiastically for you at the last election. I now find myself in a position where I disagree entirely with the Labour party on its whole approach to Covid-19. The damage that has been done to the country in the last six months is incalculable. The absence of any decent NHS service would turn Nye Bevan in his grave. The loss of life and ill health brought about by ‘lock downs’ has dwarfed those lost to Covid. Covid, as all the evidence is now showing, is something we have to learn to live with just as we do with colds and flu of other strains. You cannot get rid of a virus by government decree.
This country now needs politicians who have courage and leadership to make a stand against the creeping dictatorship that is now only too apparent. Parliament MUST take back control of this renegade government before it damages this country and its people even further.
I look to you, as a responsible member of parliament, to look to your conscience and to do the right thing in the coming days. My vote and hundreds of thousands like me will not be given to a party or an individual that lets this country down in its hour of need.
The people of Britain have had enough of lock downs, masks, ridiculous and pointless restrictions on our liberties, not to mention the divisions between neighbours, friends and families brought about by the nasty machinations of government policy.
‘Cometh the hour cometh the men’—–will you be one of the men that we so desperately need? I sincerely hope so.
Yours sincerely,
Harry Hopkins
Trying really hard not to hate these monsters for what they are doing (because it’s not healthy for me) but it’s very difficult.
Yesterday my partner was in tears (again) faced with the prospect of not being able to visit his mother during another lockdown
Just reading on here about this morning’s ‘presentation’ brought me briefly to depair yet again.
The next few days (at least) are going to be very difficut I fear.
Accept they are monsters. It might help to lessen the unhealthy seething. Also having 2 minutes hate as Orwell said might be a good way to avoid over bearing continuous hate.
Don’t let the monsters have what they want which is a blacking of mood and spirits. A good way to overcome it is by taking action to fight back, getting busy passing the skeptic message for example. Another way to fight is to step away and focus on the important good things in life. We must never forget the good things through actions of these monsters.
Listen to the birds singing. They are more valuable to health than words.
It’s just horrible. I me and Mrs 2-6 are super depressed at the moment since we got back from our escape to the country. Miserable, as there seems no way out of this shit-show. The people that are running it are just beyond evil.
However, I have resigned myself to this fact. I am fighting anger and despair and hopelessness on a daily basis. Swinging from one extreme to another. This does get better sometimes and I can go for a day or 4 without getting too wound up. I do need to other things to distract myself from the insanity.
However I am getting used to being in this state. Actually I have given up, it’s too late, the damage has been done. The sheeple are totally mental. Only the sheeple can get themselves out of this mess. They might be able to. Unlikely.
So society is totally destroyed. I am perversely taking some comfort in the discomfort of people. Perhaps this will “wake people up” . It’s like being strangely satisfied at watching the edifice of life as we know it being burned to the ground. It’s like they made their bed of shit, now they have to lie in it.
People are fools, powerless and totally brainwashed. Perhaps they might realise this now. About time.
There is hope.
Press conference says 50,000 cases a day with 200 deaths a day. Does this mean they now think IFR is 0.4% rather than UCL report 9 IFR of 0.9% ?
So, even in this Armageddon scenario, the virus would kill fewer people on an average day than cancer, for instance, would?
Good point to repeat to lockdown fanatics..
The problem with doing that is that these people aren’t interested in facts.
Didn’t watch todays puppet show. As such I missed the wood but see the trees. Point of todays exercise was to reinvigorate alarm by issuing the figure 50,000 cases. That is it.
Get a number out to the public. Throw the media some bones to whip up alarm (fear isn’t happening) ahead of a announcement later in the week.
What happens with public reaction over the next few days will decide the tone of communication in final annoucement made by boris in a few days.
The devolved leaders won’t do anything more than lend an indication of what kind of oppression they are attempting to add.
All the rest is chaff. – until I watch the press conference and realise I am completely wrong.
Surely this is make or break week? What kind of people are they that will ensure a sick society by constantly instilling fear in people?
Downing Street denies reports that Boris Johnson flew to Italy for weekend break earlier this month
An article in La Repubblica titled: The mystery of Boris Johnson’s “trip to Perugia” said that Mr Johnson visited Perugia this month
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/21/downing-street-denies-reports-boris-johnson-flew-italy-weekend/
The mystery of Boris Johnson’s “trip to Perugia”The mystery of Boris Johnson’s “trip to Perugia”
Boris Johnson and his partner Carrie Symonds with their son Wilfred
Exclusive: according to an official statement of the Italian airport dated September 17th, the British prime minister “travelled to Perugia over the past few days”. Sources: “Johnson landed in Perugia on Friday 11 September at 2 pm and left on Monday morning”. Downing Street: “This claim is wrong”
di ANTONELLO GUERRERA E IVANO PORFIRI
https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2020/09/20/news/the_mystery_of_boris_johnson_s_trip_to_perugia_-267989244/
Wilfred? I hope the poor bastard makes his parents’ lives a misery for that!
did BlowJob have a bash street kids fetish? If so is he Fatty or Plug?
I learnt a new word today – seems apt.
Blatherskite
There were two on the telly today.
I’ve just read:- the Deadly Danger of False Positives -by Dr Michael Yeadon
https://dailysceptic.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/
It makes a lot of sense. It perhaps explains the complete disjunction I’m seeing twixt “cases” and deaths in many places.
I’ve been particularly tracking the figures for the Republic of Ireland, as I was located there until the end of August.
After dipping in August mortality figures in the Republic are now beginning to creep up.
They were 40 in July – down to 11 in August – and are 19 so far this September.
But “cases” have been going up and up since the beginning of July – they’ve rocketed.
From 65 a week at the beginning of July they have now almost reached 2,000 a week.
How to explain this disjunction?
I’m now guessing it could be the result of a lot more testing and perhaps using the same testing kits as are being used in Blighty?
Has anyone in the Irish media said owt similar?
The definition of “case” is likely to be nothing other than positive test result (I can’t say for sure) and tests have been going up in Ireland, like in most countries, from 3353 on 05 August to 11,913 on 11 September. The rise in the number of tests accounts for almost all of the rise in the number of cases.
The proportion of tests returned positive was 1.5% at the start of June, fell to 0.3% at the start of July, and has been between 1% and 2% since the start of August.
I might be wrong as I only scanned the dataset yesterday, but I think the positivity rate by specimen data is around 1.3-1.5% now, and slightly down from about 1.6% last week?
I took that from OWID. They only give a 7-day rolling average. Latest is 19 September: 2.0%
There’s also the issue that this is the first occasion in recent history where mass testing is being done. So there will be variations within variations as procedures are essentially being qualified for use. The issue is that there is no set standard in many things, even down to the level of the lab. A friend was telling me about how they want to test in a level 2 lab rather than level 3 and even that needs to be calibrated and characterised.
Thanks for those stats.
The Irish media is a disgrace so, no.
Anyone know whether the Irish Gov publishes data about the number of tests carried out? – I haven’t been able to find it.
To re-quote my own comment that I put on a BBC fear article about China all the way back in February…”Still not scared”.
Will they be sending out the empty ambulances with the sirens again ?
Oh Yes all the time
I think that was fake news and Toby quickly apologised for running the running the story and then deleted.
I can assure you that actually happened. I noticed it myself long before I was a reader here or heard it suggested by anybody else.
Not convinced it was fake – it has been repeated by NHS employees. It was just unapproved news according to the government censors. I am sure it will be confirmed in due course sometime in the future.
To be fair blue-light driving must require training with empty vehicles. Although I’d rather still have dedicated ambulance drivers (think carry-on films era)
200 deaths a day would be about 12% of all deaths, virtually all of people at the age at which they usually die anyway. Over 700 residents of care homes die everyday with or without Covid!
If the aim was to flatten the curve & save the NHS 12% of normal deaths sounds like job done. Well done Whitty & Vallance, job done let’s get on with life, isn’t this exactly what the strategy was all along?
Absolutely, but will Joe Public and our politicians understand that basic data and stats?
That fact about the number who USUALLY die in care homes per day needs to be pointed out as often as possible, for context…
i think someone needs to take a couple of policemen off kicking the crap out of peaceful protestors duty and go and check if Valance and Whitty’s families have not been kidnapped and the unscientific bollocks they are spewing is under duress
Hilarious Boris articles on the mail – all with photoshopped masks.
Can’t get a comment on there for love nor money calling out this bs. Obviously this week is a major one for the re-imposition of project fear.
Our weekend was a big one. They need to stamp out dissent. Momentum is with skeptics, they are fighting for all they are worth to stop our call for return of good reason.
I agree with this. There was much more questioning coverage on MSM this weekend. You could see W&V trying to give the appearance of dismissing things which have been covered like the virus being weaker, increased testing leading to increased positives, more people being immune etc. They even tried to stray into implications for the economy etc. Obviously there was no proper reasoning and nobody got to scrutinise them but you could see that pattern. Some things they didn’t touch e.g. false positives, presumably because even they couldn’t bring themselves to try that. It will be really important we grab that momentum back by Heneghan et.al. going through this and taking it down!
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
Moving to stage 3 now?
I hope so. Also interesting that Boris sent these two out to test the water. Another reason for a quick response taking them down.
They were sent out to set the scene for what he has in store for us tomorrow methinks. All roads point to the two weekly circuit breaker nonsense on top of the local lockdowns to coincide with school holiday. So two weeks In October, two weeks at Christmas (barring Christmas Day of course – he will throw us a bone for that), two weeks February etc etc etc .
They were sent out without him in order for Boris to be able to blame them when their predictions do not come true. If he had stood with them today, he would been seen on camera to be complicit.
This way he can ditch them later and claim he never agreed with them…
Live at 1 pm UK Column are sure to have some excellent comment and analysis of the claims made by witty/vallance earlier.
what is UK Column?
Tune in at 1 pm. Please.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/
https://www.ukcolumn.org/
Highly recommend them and worth watching back over previous editions.
real unbiased news not government propaganda
Does anyone have any reliable data which shows average/median duration of stay in hospital for those who go in suffering Covid but come out the front door, rather than the morgue?
I would assume that as doctors now have better/quicker ways of treating it the average stay will have decreased now against April. In which case, this will also mitigate further against hospitals being overrun. Not that I expect them to be.
Any data out there? Thanks
Great observations. To hell with all of them, and this society.
I couldn’t read much of that. It’s just the usual doom and gloom that the Guardian has been churning out for the last 7mts, never the faintest glimmer of optimism or hope on their pages. The OH still reads it, I went back to the Telegraph a couple of months ago and I think he’ll be joining me soon. Btw, I think I’ve upvoted one of your comments on there!
Sturgeon is going full these are pre lockdown days. Shes already soending UK Gov money to “mitigate” against financial impacts.
48 hours.
Scottish numbers: 20 September 2020
245 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 5.4% of newly tested individuals
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
9 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
63 people were in hospital with recently confirmed COVID-19
14,893 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
She’s on live now about to announce something bad https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-scotland-54232737
Lockdown or similar to come to scotland within 48 hours is what I underdtood her inhuman inhumane evil babble to mean. She is to wait for a Cobra meeting. But will not wait long. Scotland is a true globalist experiment of a nation.
She going in for the usual ‘Us good Westminster bad, please vote Yes to Independence’ big time today.
There all kinds of deep dark scandal, rot and smearing going in throughout her government – this covid is manner from heaven for her. As March began Salmond was set to dismember the government cabal who had put him in court. Covid is the camoflage to massive breaches of public trust and confidence. There’s plenty of online discussion and investigation into the depths of corruption present at westminster.
Who is Mr Murrell? being one much asked question by independence supporters.
BbC Scotland withdrawing a kirsty walk Salmond Trial documentary amid rumours of explicit wholesale bias.. interesting too in view of the bbc mis information unit being so hot on covid yet distracted from in house tosh being produced.
Good account.
I hope the stockpiling doesn’t begin. I was in Tesco at 6am this morning (!) and all was well but let’s see.
Please everyone, DON’T stockpile. Just buy what you need.
Yeah, these kind of images are worse than everything else. They really drive the fear to awful levels.
Bollocks to that! Last time I had to go a whole week drinking straight tea because they ran out of Earl Grey. I’m out for a couple of 200 bag Twinings boxes later this morning.
Bettys have an excellent Earl Grey: you can get it online. If things are looking bleak, let’s at least have the right groceries.
Cheers alethea, online will hopefully be the last to dry up.
“If things are looking bleak, let’s at least have the right groceries.”
Absolutely. Priorities…
Thanks kh, it might come to that…
“please, no lemon!”
Wouldn’t dream of it. Would be almost as bad as adulterating it with milk or sugar…
I think people should stockpile – tough times are ahead and having some food in reserve is a very good idea. What people should not do is panic buy. Stockpile is something you do long term with a plan and continue to do consistently and so should not strain supply lines. It is panic buying that causes shortages.
So did we get a feel from the speech whether the new lockdown would include schools? I can (just about) handle what they’re forcing on me but when they come for your kids…
Who knows. Rest assured we will be back in the same place we were in late March one way or the other, with no respite until the vaccine is deployed.
From people in the know (ie those who actually make vaccines rather than try and flog them to people), it’s likely to be four years before we’ll have an effective vaccine.
Then we’ll be in lockdown for 4 years.
I think not. They were keen to get in that there were not increased cases in children. They want to keep schools open I think.
This article was shared on Twitter today by Adam Wagner a human rights barrister.
The Government’s response to COVID-19: human rights implications
https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/2649/documents/26337/default/
Seems lockdown sceptics aren’t the only ones worried about these new rules. The document 90 odd pages long however the conclusions starting on page 70 are worth a read
“Sir Patrick Vallance warns Britain could be facing 50,000 new cases a day by mid-October”
It’s not a prediction. That is correct.
What it is is a psychological anchor. The classic marketing trick straight out of the Behavioural Insight Team playbook.
So they can claim success from anything less than that?
It’s non-falsifiable premature extrapolation.
Unless the congregation prays to God He will send the plague to kill us all.
Big enough to be scary but not unreasonable.
Note that if that comes true (which it might) that’s about 50 deaths per day and a few hundred hospitalizations. And this will overwhelm the NHS?
I went out my local woods this morning, a small haven of sanity in a sea of hysteria. Sitting there in an unmutilated natural environment helps my worsening mental health issues which have been costing me sleep now too. Reminder of how we’re supposed to live for the now and our surroundings, not in constant fear of the next Clown Show diktat. If there really was a new Spanish flu on the loose we wouldn’t need a propaganda campaign. I left in the sadness of knowing that this pleasure would probably soon be snatched away.
Fully with you on that. Strangely today I’m feeling a little hopeful. Our enemies are getting desperate and showing their hand. Their house of cards is wobbling. This is a crucial week.
It’s a great pity we gave up our guns.
I share your dismay and condition. We are fortunate enough to be in Cyprus at the moment. Reading the news from home, I need to periodically look up and take in the sight of the calm blue sea lest I feel the urge to throw something heavy.
100%
Anyone with kids, get them outside at every opportunity too. It’s the ultimate cure from the fear
Good point.
I can relate to that. BUT they can’t hide the truth for ever. Stay strong!
Leitch now reading a scriot given ti him by Devi. “Globaly the WHO declared a pandemic… ” and he’s off inti a refearing of the nation.
Between his lines you can hear the deperation they have reissuing this tired worn broken fallacy of a message.
This is all guns blazing by the oppressives. People have naturally tended away from the regimes rules – hence today’s big guns.
Doesn’t he have a root canal to do?
Well they’ve already lined up the “reinfection” scaremongering so they’ll soon claim we’re headed for BILLIONS of cases!
Soon The Science will declare reincarnation possible, so we will each be able to contract covid an infinite number of times and kill an infinite number of elderly relatives.
Those resurrected by the fake death count can be killed again to satisfy the numbers of “cases”
My wife and newborn baby daughter are in a hospital maternity ward right now. I’m not allowed to visit them because my oldest son had a high temperature on Saturday. Which went away within three hours without any intervention from us.
Why did you tell the hospital? Best to keep quiet about anything now. Do not get a test, just say NO etc
Welsh health minister presentation on Sky – Merthyr Tydfil, Gwent, Newport and Bridgend all locked down from tomorrow, so you can’t go in and out. Newport – the home of ONS!
Shutdown Merthyr? Good luck with that one
There are only three statues in the town and they are all of people who punched other people for a living
You and who’s army?
No-one needs reminding of the appalling toll these lockdown rules are having on other normal everyday life. They are also quietly ruining our own institutions set up to regulate and allow us to carry on as law abiding citizens with a legal system that once was recognised as a world leader.
I’ve been battling to do a ‘first registration’ on the family home all year as it not been on the market since 1974 and bless him – left to me by my late husband who died last year of a real illness.
According to my solicitor, the Land Registry closed completely for 6 weeks earlier in the year ‘as they had no IT plans laid on for home use’ and to facilitate working from home. For the application, there was a way until recently to submit all the signed, stamped and verified title documents online (now boundaries had been established and agreed and topographical survey completed which has taken forever).
Until this morning, when my solicitor rings in desperation to say that online is no longer available and we have to print off copies and send them in the post to their office in Gloucester – where on doubt they will be thrown on top of the enormous mountain of paper that will get lost and disappear for ever. He spent half an hour on the phone trying to get through and the person at the end of the phone had no idea why it had been changed.
It appears we have travelled back in time – mindful of the historical discussion around terminology yesterday, to the Antiquities. It is one more example of the attach on ‘middle England’ that is reaching out in malign and malevolent ways.
I obviously won’t get a response till end 2021 if then.
Ah well. By then as a non-mask wearer I will obviously be dead and if not will have killed half a dozen grannies and be locked up at HMG pleasure due to non fine paying so won’t need a house to live in.
Shocking!! Unacceptable!!
I predict 430 million deaths in the UK by Thursday
Well, they started it
You are Joe Biden and I claim my £5.
Fearmonger! It’s not going to be more than 200 million.
What is going off with the railways in this country?
Shapps says they are getting rid of rail franchises and simplifying the contracts, but still want “the capital, ingenuity & competition” that private companies have brought to rail operation.
So how are these companies going to make profits? Or are you just going to be paid for running trains, whether they carry passengers or not?
Once a government has realised it can get away with talking complete and utter bollocks I guess they just carry on.
Government have paid £3.5 billion from taxpayers of course to plug the shortfall in rail ticket revenues dut to you know, it!
Article on BBC
Shapps is a fkucwit. How do these people get these kind of jobs ? Seriously I would not give any of them a job! It’s depressing to think these lunatics are in government.
‘Now, this isn’t a prediction, but here’s our prediction of what will happen if you don’t all get back in your holes until the R0 is at zero. Cheers.’
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/21/more-covid19-news-from-sweden/
Great article, it is also on Sebastian Rushworth’s own site: https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/09/19/covid-19-does-sweden-have-herd-immunity/ Needs to be tweeted widely (those who have Twitter!)
The Philosopher’s note on yesterday’s LS update has been resonating with me a lot since. Especially the point made about any theory being open to falsification for it to actually have any scientific basis.
Now with new updates from all administrations today I am seeing a common theme. Thanking areas such as Caerphilly for following the rules as cases plateau, criticising the rest for not adhering as cases rise.
But there is no way to prove that measures are having an impact really. Unless they have a scientific measure for the actual number of interactions that were reduced due to the rules and can show it to correlate significantly to lower cases.
There were no restrictions in many places as cases dropped recently and we get the answer that it was due to the weather. But let’s not use that point to argue the contrary. No. Its all about the rule breakers.
They must know they’ve lost the crowd now. Convincing arguments there are none. I will expect Auz style enforcement this time around.
It was also codified into science by Karl Popper. A hypothesis must be falsifiable otherwise it is not a hypothesis, it is supposition. I think a lot of people here are realising just how hard it is to measure stuff properly as well as set out a hypothesis to test.
In other words welcome to being a practising scientist – the farther you go, the less you know (hat tip to Lao Tzu)
Would you get the vaccine?
If not, is there any restriction they could put in place that would make you want to get the vaccine?
If they told you that you couldn’t travel without one?
If they told you that you couldn’t work without one?
More severe measures than that?
Or would you refuse to get it at any stage?
No way will that shite be going into my body. I will forge a certificate if necessary. Luckily I am retired with a campervan. Holidays sorted. Only reason to fly would be to go to Canada to see my daughter, that is when the forgery might come in handy.
Especially when Bill Gates tells you it will change your DNA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksEVaO806Oo&feature=youtu.be (only 2 mins long!)
Unfortunately it will be very hard to forge, they are planning to use digital vaccine certificates and identity management:
https://id2020.org/
Our best hope is the government’s appalling track record of delivering IT projects.
I would worry I’d never be able to go to a live event again, despite the fact I’ve had covid-19 and recovered (if you can recover from an illness you had no symptoms of)
The annoying thing is that under the current system any who had the vaccine would show as a positive case on the PCR tests so kind of defeats the objective really.
It wont just be one vaccine. There will be an ever growing set of demands to conform to including multiple vaccines which will grow into your social credit score.
Then it’s up to the people to rise up and if that means a bloody revolution then so be it.
Refuse at any stage, and I am prepared to relinquish my life to avoid it. The punishments for refusing will be a death sentence, but the life awaiting those who take the vaccine will be a fate worse than death.
“I don’t have the vaccine to protect me, I have the vaccine to protect you”.
That will be the brainwashing message.
I’m never having one, regardless of any restrictions or impositions. Final answer.
Surely the sanity of choosing a relatively untested vaccine over the possibility of catching a disease which for the vast majority is mild or asymptomatic Speaks for itself?
Sanity left the building a long time ago
I am a pharmacist. I have had lots of vaccines for travel, including yellow fever because the risk of disease warranted it, in my view. I would not have this vaccine for at least 5 years, until its side effect profile was well established. So many drugs have looked amazing, even with the normal trials process, only later to be found to cause significant harm in the wider population.
There must be thousands in the medical profession who share your level-headed and common sense view. So why have voices like yours been totally excluded from the national debate in mainstream media? And why the rabid propaganda about this particular vaccine?
If waiting 5 years means losing your right to work, travel (anywhere outside your property) and have access to money, will you still be choosing this path?
I’m not having it under any circumstances.
If this madness carries on,I can see mass suicides like in the People’s Temple in Jonestown,Guyana in the late 70’s.
I am not joking.
Sadly I think you are on the money, the way this government is performing, I would not be surprise to hear that our beloved leader will push assisted dying through parliament in the near future.
They don’t need it pushed through parliament. All they have to do is severely dehydrate the most vulnerable people in hospitals and care homes whilst their families can’t visit them. Also helps ramp up ‘Covid’ death figures.
Frighteningly possible! That’s what I feel this second spike is about. They did not succeed in killing off as many elderly as they hoped the first time so are trying again.
All churches should be steaming this
https://youtu.be/WyEogjYrXkY
Following the news conference this morning, I would say that SAGE has now staked its entire reputation on a vaccine being available by spring next year. If this fails to materialize, or if vaccines prove ineffective (and bearing in mind that flu vaccines are significantly less than 100% effective), then Whitty and Vallance are going to face a lot of hostile questioning from people whose lives have been blighted by the lockdown. I would be worried if I were them. Another point: I’ve never been drawn to conspiracy theories; but given that SAGE are implacably opposed to herd immunity being established by natural means (as seems to have happened in Sweden) and their insistence that vaccines are the only hope of salvation, I have to say that I’m beginning to smell a rat.
Interested to know what you imagine is a conspiracy theory?
And how you would describe what has happened if not world wide certainly in most of it – coincidence, incompetence, perhaps both?
@chaos & @Seansaighdeoir I would certainly agree that many statists have seized on this so-called “pandemic” to advance their own agenda
But would you also agree that that ‘agenda’ seems to be remarkably similar in tone and effect? I.e. why are we all wearing masks?
It’s better to think of it in terms of serendipity, a wide network of interests and some disturbing levels of group think and cognitive dissonance. Policy making is opaque but there is no need for this to be a preplanned event (although that is not impossible).
Incompetence is insufficeint but conspiracy is not necessary. There is plenty of land between these two points.
Yes, this is exactly how see it – totally agree
If all we have to look forward too is some hostile questions by next spring then we are well and truly finished and many should prepare to starve to death.
The vaccines will be ineffective. They will provide “protection” for 6 months to a year, when you will need a top-up. Without your vaccine status being up to date you will not be allowed to use public transport, go to gigs, sporting events or work. Most of this is already out there in the public domain, in various forms.
I read yesterday that flu vaccines are around 50% effective and that if they do discover a vaccine for coronavirus it would only be similar.
I was never an anti vaxxer but I am now.
Just about to email my MP – if anyone wants to cast an eye over and suggest anything? I tried to add a little sting at the end regarding the salary:
I’m contacting you to urge you to vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act which currently gives the government their emergency powers
The UK is a democratic country, and for the last 6 months we have been living under rule by ministerial decree – in which decisions that affect millions of people are taken without any sort of Parliamentary scrutiny whatsoever.
I understood why this Act was introduced back in March 2020, despite having grave reservations about the de-facto suspension of Parliamentary democracy. However we now know that the virus is likely to become seasonal and endemic, we know who is at risk from it and we can make provisions for those vulnerable to protect themselves if they so wish.
We also know that the Sars-Cov-2 virus is not as dangerous as originally thought. Professor Carl Heneghan of Oxford University estimates the infection fatality rate as so:
We could make a simple estimation of the IFR as 0.28%, based on halving the lowest boundary of the CFR prediction interval. However, the considerable uncertainty over how many people have the disease, the proportion asymptomatic (and the demographics of those affected) means this IFR is likely an overestimate.
This IFR is in line with a severe flu season. The above information is available here:
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Trying to suppress a virus that spreads in the same manner as other respiratory viruses will have a heavy toll on the health of the citizens; physical health due to a one eyed focus on Covid-19 above other illnesses and conditions, and on mental health due to the draconian restrictions on what is essentially normal human interaction and behaviour.
I must point out that I am not saying that we should do nothing; improvements on hygiene, advice for the vulnerable to avoid crowded areas and support for these vulnerable people to isolate themselves if they wish. These are tried and tested methods for dealing with viral epidemics.
I cannot begin to tell you the anxiety and stress caused by waking up each morning, dreading finding out what the latest restrictions on normal human interaction will be, seemingly at the whim of government ministers who can issue these directives without any sort of debate in parliament.
One argument is that these restrictions need to be made in haste due to the fast moving situation; however what usually follows these directives is an announcement such as “these restrictions will come in to effect from next week”.
I could include a lot more in this email, however I’ll just reiterate that I urge you to take a stand and vote against the renewal of these emergency powers. It is time that we as a country got back to making decisions that affect people’s lives in such a huge way being returned to the hands of Parliament and as such the people who elected the members of Parliament.
If not, then I have to question what exactly a member of Parliament is for. If they are going to vote for themselves to be bypassed and therefore unable to represent the constituents who elected them, then surely they are declaring themselves surplus to requirements. In that case, perhaps they should give up their £81,932 salary and various expenses that such a position entitles them to claim.
Thank you for your time
That’s a good letter. I’d add to the bit about effects on mental health due to the restrictions: “and due to the fear that is being spread and encouraged.”
From a proof-reading perspective, I’d just suggest a minor change:
“Professor Carl Heneghan of Oxford University estimates the infection fatality rate as so:”
I’d reword “as so”
Thanks Mark, changed it
Good stuff! Let us know if you get anything substantive back. I think the climate is different now and MPs are going to be more willing to listen to dissenting views on this, than they were a few months, even a few weeks, back.
Copied minus the last para to my MP. Hoping that as Chope loves to vote against the government, especially on matters of procedure, he may be one to lead a rebellion.
Dipped into DM comments to see what the feelings are like. The green arrows on the sceptical comments are through the roof. The tide is turning, I feel great!
They will soon manipulate the comments and votes – they always do. I bet they close the comments. I think the government are busy censoring all the coverage of the Met police brutality at the weekend so have taken an eye of the newspaper comments.
They’ve not let me post anything all week, maybe I’m unofficially banned.
I hate the DM with a vengeance, come to think of it there a lot of people that I hate with a vengeance at the moment too. I used to go on and would often try make a comment against all the vile nastiness that was spewed out on that site. I don’t mind any vile comments made on here about the government,but on there, it was and is usually against people who have done nothing to deserve it. These comments were rarely printed which made me see that they had an agenda, join the braying crowd or you don’t belong.
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They are insane, intent on destroying the economy our way of life and the British people all so they can line their pockets with vaccine profit ..utter c**ts ,every single MP who does not oppose this should swing for treason
Can someone help me.
If the whole country has North East type rules what does that mean for me seeing my family (adult age kids) who don’t live in my household?
Hi hotrod. This was the Govt press release from a few days back about NE https://www.gov.uk/government/news/stronger-measures-introduced-in-parts-of-the-north-east-to-tackle-rising-infection-rates
It does say no mixing between households unless there is a support bubble justification. Please try not to fret until they actually spew something out tomorrow. It’s not as if we expect them to be consistent or logical in the measures they apply!
How can’t I fret. I have followed all the rules but I can’t see my children for 6 months?
Similar situation for me – my mum, brother and I are all separate ‘households’, then there is my sister and her family (a household of 4 people). Under the current rules, we cannot all meet together…
I do understand. Wasn’t being dismissive. I live alone and haven’t touched another human being since March – completely dehumanising. I’m just telling myself not to give them the satisfaction of spending a single minute being terrorised even more until I absolutely have to.
Do you need care and support from your children??? (hint, hint)
“How can’t I fret. I have followed all the rules”
Fretting’s understandable, I suppose. but why on earth would anyone follow all the rules!?
They are irrational and counterproductive rules, made without proper due process, and obeying them is harmful both in the harm they inflict and in the fear they spread.
Obey only when They are watching, and then only with resentment and to the absolute minimum.
It means you would not be able to see them, in theory. I spoke to my mother (in NE) last night. She is in sheltered accommodation. Although she is allowed to come and go as she pleases nobody is allowed in or out of the building other than residents. Me and my brother are over 200 miles away, but 100 miles from each other, and I cannot drive. No way of getting to her for either of us now. She is noticeably ‘down’ from the last two phone calls. I am now very concerned about her. If she was nearer, though, I would ignore the advice – publish and be damned!
Ignore everything they say and see whoever you want whenever you want.
Amen, sibling
Illegal under the NE law in private homes.
Advice is not to meet at pubs or outdoors but the law is the “rule of 6” that the rest of the country has.
I thought the rules generally have the same caveat – ie can be broken to avoid harm. As harm is not defined (could be MH), then see who you want and do what you want
If your children are happy then just ignore the rule. Find somewhere outside to meet (to avoid snitchers). You live with your kids right? Of course you do! Just say NO. Peaceful non-compliance.
We have had both Fauci and Tedros pushing all the environmental and Great Reset narrative and still the masses don’t see what is happening. They will soon be moaning when the plans are put in place and they can’t be reversed.
And Toby still doesn’t think there’s an underlying plan that’s being pushed.
Well said, I feel exactly the same!
I wanna punch Twitty and mentally Unbalanced hard in the face
Why injure your fist when an iron bar would be better!
Il be right behind you ,also think Hancock needs a slap as well!
“When the hypnosis wears off and the general public realise what has been done, there will be an uprising.”
I wish I could agree, but sadly the general public you speak of has already willingly relinquished all of its rights, and has no interest in getting them back. We are on our own here.
Received this survey by e-mail:
https://www.surveygizmo.eu/s3/90273590/covid
From these guys.
Will give it a go and see what I can put in to cause trouble.
Completed. Intrigued why it asked whether I was born on Feb 30th, probably to get rid of the spam bots.
I thought that or get rid of the idiots.
Looked at who is behind it, it’s Toby.
Great website, still new and unfinished but please complete the survey
https://www.covid19assembly.org/covid19-survey
just done it . Shame there wasnt an “all of the above” box on most of the questions
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200331-covid-19-how-will-the-coronavirus-change-the-world
I think this BBC article explains what changes are being implemented.
We are being fitted for a sort of Green totalitarianism.
As a Green sympathiser, I can see the need to scale back on consumerism, I’m just not keen on the totalitarian element. After all, the people who are introducing this future accumulated huge wealth themselves exploiting turbo charged capitalism and massive despoliation of resources.
And where does the useless expenditure on an unnecessary vaccine come in to this benign future world if it will only be for our best interests?
Totally unnecessary for this specific virus though it may be, the vaccine is the key to the totalitarian control. The state will completely own your body. Hence the narrative that the entire global population has to take it before we can “return to normal”.
There will be no return to the normal we knew and loved, that’s over.
I accepted that on 23rd March.
The fact that the BBC are even writing an article about this tells you it is the plan!
too right…. BBC = Government propaganda department .. It is to the uk government what Pravda was to USSR
“We can see from Wuhan that social distancing and lockdown measures like this are effective.”
Well, that undermines the article. Lockdowns don’t work. But it’s the BBC, so the propaganda can’t be undermined by reality.
And it’s funny how anyone saying that this is what certain people want for our future, are called conspiracy theorists.
It’s not a conspiracy theory when they tell you what they’re doing.
Well, good bye friends.
Mrs Me and I are off.
I’ve done 87 days straight, without a day off, working on the ONS swabbing project, visiting people at their homes and doing my best to be ‘normal’ (no mask or gloves) and cheer people up. I’ve seen victims come to the doors of their own homes wearing PPE and many of my new friends see very few people in the days between my visits. Some days I feel more like a social worker.
I’ve pointed many people towards this site (I explain that I come on here every morning to get the latest real news before I start my rounds) and have pointed some towards Ivor Cummins video from Sept 8th.
But I’m knackered. So this afternoon we’re catching a flight to Corfu (at £33 from Manchester it was rude to say ‘no’).
Keep up the good work. I’ll look for a postcard to send.
Have a wonderful and well earned break!
Bargain air fare!
Have a wonderful hol of it! Long may the good weather last. We will have this polished off by the time you get back…!
Peter Hitchens robust commentary on the latest Vallance & Whitty horror show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF6B7Fzo2zA
Cynical thought about the timing of the new oppressiins this week.
Freshers week last week. This uncertainty before freshers week woukd not have had a good outcome (exans scandal etc). Did they wait to get the students away from home?
They wanted the students to have handed over their money to the universities before announcing it..
Students should mount a class action lawsuit against the universities to get their money back.
Its only money they’ve borrowed anyway
Its only debt they’ve bought
Exactly right – the VCs are in on the scam.
Provides a perfect test population to conduct further social engineering experiments on the next generation of young adults. I think we are going to see very high suicide/drop out rates in this year’s university intake.
Here’s something to bear in mind when you’re next confronted by some robot in a restaurant / pub / cafe / etc insisting that you hand over your personal details for ‘track and trace’ (or whatever it’s called this week). Is the establishment demanding your data GDPR compliant? Here’s a link to the GDPR compliance checklist – the business collecting the data must’ve conducted an information audit, data protection impact assessment etc. Demand to see proof (ideally the actual documents) of compliance before handing over any data. If the business can’t provide this then they’re non-complaint and in breach of the law. At which point you should inform them that you’re reporting them to the Information Commissioner’s Office. I believe the fines for non-compliance with GDPR can be pretty steep. This is the line I’ll be taking should some drone demand my details.
Always nice to see the bastards (by which I mean our government and those who go along with their tyranny without demur) hoist by their own petard.
Good point and very helpful – thanks!
I think they would just throw you out.
Just submit fake details and say you don’t have a smartphone.
Fine, they can refuse me admittance, but it means they won’t get any of my hard-earned. And if sufficiently large numbers of punters do this our government of incompetent clowns may (it’s a long shot I know, but without that small hope I’m lost) start to realise that their oppressive overreaction has a price. They started this horseshit because they feared the electoral consequences if the media accused them of allowing grannies to die. They must be made to realise that there are electoral consequences if they don’t end the whole ridiculous charade forthwith.
Foregoing a few restaurant meals, or beers in the pub, are small sacrifices to get a bunch of tyrants off our backs.
I believe provision is made for this, it was either 14 or 21 days if memory serves, then they must destroy it. So because the retention period and purpose are defined, it’s arguably GDPR compliant, and I believe they can get away without having an Information Security person for smaller companies.
I just smile and nod and tell them I’m “Neil Ferguson”, because I’m fascinated to know whether any of them recognise the name. Rather concerningly, they never have.
I wonder what the restaurant I was in last week does, they write your details in a page per day diary. No doubt they tear the pages out three weeks later and shred them, or maybe not…
Hardly secure and encrypted! What would stop someone grabbing the book and running?
Whilst smaller businesses (< 250 employees) may be able to duck an information audit (though GDPR still recommends they conduct one) they’re not exempt from carrying out a DPIA. Particularly as they’re planning ‘to use people’s data in such a way that it’s “likely to result in a high risk to [their] rights and freedoms.”‘. After all, being phoned by T&T and told to self-isolate for 14 days (in effect house arrest) certainly impacts upon one’s rights and freedoms. In short, make it as hard as possible for these unconscionable collaborators to operate as a business.
Ah thanks for the correction – yeah I fully agree, let’s not make it easy for them!
So is it illegal to supply ‘wrong’ information for t&t?
no comment – problem with the comments box
Woohoo! We are famous! UK Column mention Lockdown Sceptics today!
Toby and his website were mentioned on TalkRadio this morning by Peter Hitchens. Mike Graham is opposed to Simon Dolan’s court case, mainly because be doesn’t believe in wasting public money on taking the government to court on policy matters, and it was better to allow the likes of Graham Brady to deal with it. PH said that without all the opposition from Heneghan, Guptra, Toby Young, etc, Graham Brady wouldn’t have serious backup in his actions.
Hitchens is right.
Yes oops he’s rather spoiled their surprise now.
David Attenborough should front a new 1 hour special.
His dulcet tones telling us all that we have to learn to live with the virus.
Cut to him interviewing some care home residents who say they survived the war, they don’t want to blight their children’s & grandchildren’s future, they’d rather face the risk of the virus than be put back in solitary confinement.
Cut to cancer patients dying on wards, Attenborough says these are the people we’ve abandoned.
It would change the narrative over night.
The Queen needs to do it.
Yes, yes I know she’s not supposed to intervene.
But she made that comment ahead of the 2014 Scottish referendum…
Where the hell is the Queen? Nothing since her TV speech many months ago. Is she still alive?
Hopefully she’s kicking Charlie’s arse from breakfast to tea time
Ouch!
I get to some that is a disrepectful comment. But it is a fair question. Cinsider her corronation oath. She has a constitutional role despite appearing nit to. ‘Her’ Primeministers government she gave approval to have are causing this breakdown of Great Britain. Where is she? It is a fair question. Too old? Well perhaps she ought not to have an active role in our nation.
I did read somewhere that the Withdrawal agreement effectively deposed her, because it specifically referred to Parliament as sovereign, whereas that is not technically correct.. I think it somehow removed the royal prerogative issue – but I am not an expert on these things…!
Not sure if William would be much better.
I did see something about her planning to move back to Buckingham Palace recently…
The Queen??!!!
Lord save me……..That the same Queen who sits at the top of the pyramid and is one of the leading enablers for the whole fucking system? That Queen??
They do not give a fuck about you or anyone else. They look upon you with utter contempt and it is offensive to me that anyone would think any of the ‘royal’ family have anything but their own selfish interest at heart.
Prince Andrew was friends with Epstein FFS! Christ…even Jimmy Saville was on the inside with the royals!!
They are a cesspit!
You haven’t been paying attention.
That might interfere with his job as chief propogandist for the brainwashing corporation on all things ‘climate change’!
I’ve lost all respect for the man.
Greta Thunberg should also help by calling on children whose schools are closed to gather at the gates and demand to be let back in.
I hate to break it to you but that little automaton is nothing but a sock puppet who knows nothing other than what her handlers tell her.
Attenborough thinks humans are a plague on earth. He is fully signed up to this fearmongering. He wants to use it for the Great Reset. He is part of the problem.
Nah, I’m afraid Attenbollox is a fully paid-up member of the Global Liars & Propaganda Club (see recent documentaries on climate change). Cuddly, wise national treasure or misanthropic, anti-scientific lying b*stard? Sadly, it is the latter.
He might do it for a peerage!
Says it all…
I’m hoping he will never make King!
Starting to feel horribly helpless: have seen in the last hour or so (ie since the Witty show) that kids camps being cancelled for this weekend and now the one thing I had to look forward to – a Tom Kerridge socially distanced music event this weekend (where already in strictly enforced groups of 6) now cancelled ‘due to the national picture changing drastically’. Have started kicking trees and throwing mugs around the sink. Utterly nothing to look forward to at all. Sat here home working all hours – for what? To afford yet another takeaway meal in my own bloody house? You know that Halloween, fireworks, Xmas is all now for the chop. And all everyone is talking about is ‘better to be safe’ still. I thought earlier today the tide may be turning. I think I was very wrong.
Don’t despair, Olive.
Watch Peter Hitchens and Mike Graham on Talk radio today (YouTube)
Mass non-compliance can change policies.
Have faith and hang in there…
Trying – genuinely cannot believe what I am still hearing from people though. When went to post office it seemed everyone was willing this ridiculous ‘circuit break’ to come in. More masks than ever seen before as I walked into town….
Chin up Olive. Today, my other half and I have just travelled back right across the country after a long weekend away: four trains and a tube across London. We wore cheerful smiles the whole way, coupled with some made-up important-looking badges on lanyards that an enterprising person on Etsy produced for us. Not a dickie bird from anyone, despite all the threatening signage and announcements. On the contrary, people started conversations with us, probably because we looked open and approachable.
You are not alone, all of us on here have been going through these agonies every day throughout this.
I have not been within one metre of another human being for 188 days and counting. All I have to look forward to is takeaway meals and beers.
I would say come to ours, but with my kids you would tip us over that magic 6……
Appreciate the thought, but it’s a non-starter as I don’t drive and have boycotted public transport on principle since the mask mandate on 15th June. Lived on my own for 20 years though so it’s not as bad as it sounds.
Stay strong Oliver, WE are here for each other.
I’m afraid until the tide turns you have to learn to do something else. I have gone back to learning guitar, researching my family tree, I run my own weather station so have loads of data to analyze, I am going to play online Bridge; in essence you have to keep yourself occupied and leave stuff. Nobody can take your mind, but also don’t give it to them. Anger if channelled can be good but when it leads to stress and worry it can be destructive. Just trying to help.
Don’t worry Olive, things will get better – there are very distant chinks of light at the end of the tunnel….
Go for a good long walk and get those endorphins bouncing up and down – you’ll feel a lot better.
(If not a bottle or two of plonk should sort the job out)
Olive – we all have those days. Hang on in there! There is a lot of support here – just knowing you are not alone helps!
Sir Graham Brady MP interview this am.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADHI73s55b0&list=TLPQMjEwOTIwMjC161zOdIr8kA&index=2
Do you have a link to the article?
Well said!
For those thinking the tide is turning, this excellent letter tweeted by Karol Sikora today is great material (already posted by Poshpanic and 2 Pence below, but well worth repeating – look at the list of signatories).
They set up a bit of a false opposition between the government alarmists and people who supposedly want to “do nothing”, in order to present themselves as in the middle, but in reality almost nobody wants to do nothing. Most sceptics want pretty much what they call for – an end to the active generation of fear, and a reasonable approach based on protecting the vulnerable whilst otherwise keeping normal life going as much as possible.
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1307972101463212032
Authors
Prof Sunetra Gupta
Prof Carl Heneghan
Prof Karol Sikora
Sam Williams, Director and co-Founder of Economic Insight
Signatories
Prof Louise Allan
Prof Francois Balloux
Prof Sucharit Bhakdi
Dr Julii Brainard
Prof Anthony Brookes
Prof Nick Colegrave
Dr Ron Daniels
Prof Robert Dingwall
Prof Fionn Dunne
Prof Kim Fox
Prof Anthony Glass
Dr Andy Gaya
Dr Peter Grove
Prof Matt Hickman
Prof Elizabeth Hughes
Dr Tom Jefferson
Prof Syma Khalid
Prof David Miiles
Prof Paul Ormerod
Prof Andrew Oswald
Prof David Paton
Prof Hugh Pennington
Prof Barbara Pierscionek
Prof Eve Roman
Prof Justin Stebbing
Prof Ellen Townsend
Steve Westaby, Consultant Cardiac Surgeon (retired)
Prof Simon Wood
Wow, great letter and articulately and intelligently outlined an opposing point of view regarding the government’s Covid-19 “strategy”, supported by facts and data.
Therefore destined to be ignored by the plonkers, no doubt!
But all kudos for the authors and signatories … please may that be a small whiff of a tide turning.
That’s great news.
Got an answer back from Sir Graham Brady’s office this morning, they confirm they have passed on my e-mail to him and he will read it.
One line though which is worrying, it says “he does keep a close eye on current opinion” which means to me he will go whichever way the wind is blowing.
If enough of us contact me with our views it might convince him which way the wind is blowing.
Well I think the wind is changing.
I am hoping for autumn gales.
His interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer indicated he has some awareness of people’s discontent..
My first post here, I have been reading for a few months. I live in Scotland, and I am a graduate student at the University of Edinburgh with some tutoring responsibilities. I have been back at the university since last week, for as minimal an amount of time as was possible. I mention it because the levels of ridiculousness I encountered, and will have to navigate this semester, were almost unbearable. After all this nonsense this morning, I am absolutely scunnered. I just do not see how things will improve. The genreal public, academics included, are beyond any talking to, do not question anything they read in the newspapers, and are as complicit in this as Nicola Stalin and her coven are. I am beginning to harbour a deep hatred and resentment of most people I meet, which is not a great state of mind to be in.
Anyway, not much of an introduction, and I hope this malaise passes. I guess I just wanted to get it off of my chest, and mention that I appreciate this website and the community that has formed around it.
You’re not alone jb, it’s incredibly frustrating isn’t it. But welcome to the comments anyway!
You are absolutely far from alone, and one of the many useful purposes this site serves has been to allow the justifiably infuriated sceptics out there to blow off steam!
I would say academics are worse than general public. Get down easter road or Leith and you can find any number of open minds of all ages shapes and colours. The closer ylu get to Bristo Square the worse life becomes. With Prof Ennos it’s not all bad at the university. He is epic in his work for reason.
“ academics are worse than general public.”
Generalised prejudice like this doesn’t help calls for rationality that should be the basis of this site.
Academics are no less susceptible to the Fear narrative than the public in general – but the divisions in the scientific community over Covid show the true picture of what is happening : divide and rule.
You have to remember that universities as institutions are enforcing stupid regulations – as is happening elsewhere, and that the academics on the ground are having to comply in order to get anything done.
It’s shit for everybody.
Hello Rick,
I would say that academics are worse than the general public, solely because, even if they should not know ‘better’, they are trained (whether in the humanities or the sciences) to question everything. The peer review system means that they, more than most, should be cognisant of the lack of epistemological uniformity that surrounds almost every contention in every field in the Academy. I do not want to specify which college I work in, but thus far I have seen nothing but unquestioning acceptance of every statistic and rhetorical strategy put out and adopted by both the UK and Scottish parliaments. If any of these people adopted this strategy in their own field, they would not have graduated past first year at undergraduate level, never mind achieved their PhD! I am aware that there will be some who silently disagree (and indeed, I am one and have encountered others in the context of the promotion of the overwhelming number of ‘equality and diversity’ programs), but the policy makers and senior academics are signed up and pushing whatever comes to them from the government and media. It isn’t a case of having to comply with mask regulations or social distancing, but absolute silence when it comes to public discussions of the diktats or repetition of absolutely untenable positions such as ‘the vaccine will mean a return to normal’ in less formal, and more social contexts.
Thank you jb12 for writing more clearly and fully than myself. You clearly put my frustration across with all these graduated professionals – they should know better. In defence to Rick H I am short and difficult to read.
Generalisations are bad and never a catch all. They are practical in discussing behaviours etc.
It is my experience. Outside of academia people are more inclinded to be reasonable, open and suspicious of nincompoop academics forcing measure onto society. Academics have actively shut down my own thoughtful discussions with them, edin uni staff. Equally families I know of other edin uni staff are struggling because of academic arrogance. It is widely recognised that education does not correlate to good sense. Finally I’ll add the op had no problems speaking in general terms nor do I. I pointed out one other very positive exception Prof Ennos, good company the op has. I could have picked devi should i have wished to tar all academics negatively.
I work at the same institution myself. I wish I could pass on some optimism or light at the end of the tunnel comfort, but I can’t think of any. The UCU is doing all it can to make sure as little as possible gets done for as long as possible.Groupthink and monoculture is everywhere. The straw I clutch at is “If you’re still questioning your sanity, you’re doing just fine”. And like Basics says, we’re less mad north-side
Welcome to sanity central; stay with us!
OTOH, Prof Heneghan, Gupta and the others at CEBM are academics as well
So Edinburgh university is doing some face to face tuition?
Many English universities are online completely.
What is the absurd that you encounter at the university?
Yes, at least in my school. The lectures are all online. Again I don’t want to give out too much information publicly, but one absurdity: tutorials are typically 10-12 students in size, this year we have to sit in marked-off seats in 150+ capacity lecture halls, everyone distanced out, and if there is to be smaller group work outside of the main discussion, the students are to use the chat function in pre-selected video calling app to converse while they sit 2m apart.
I too am a postgrad student; the tutorials and seminars I’m teaching this year are all online, in a county with, at last check, less than 20 deaths and less than 600 total cases since March. My son is an undergrad, last year, at the same uni where classes start 28 September. He still doesn’t know how his modules will be delivered.
You ain’t alone, few folk from the area on here, myself included.
Been through the university thing, even started a PhD… They can be insufferable, but if you need what they provide then just push through! Now find myself fortunate enough to have the knowledge to start my own venture, will say don’t forget the applied and practical.
Haha, it is probably too late for the practical, but I enjoy what I do when I am doing the research and, as a relative late-comer to the university system, I appreciate wanting to get out of bed in the morning to start work rather than the drudgery I used to feel when I was a 9-5.
Oh the ad-hoc hours, how I miss them!
Thanks to everyone for the welcome. I understand I am not alone, but I see like-minded people as being a tiny minority, hence the situation we are facing now.
We may be a minority, but not as small a minority as you think, and our point of view is gaining traction in the media and elsewhere.
Most people are not very brave, unfortunately, and will keep their heads down without challenging authority.
Try quietly sounding out people’s views. Sometimes people are just waiting for someone else to stand up.
I am the same with that deep hatred and resentment towards a lot of people, you are not alone. I have reached nearly 60 years of age without really experiencing too much anger in my life, may seem odd but it is true!. Now however I spend my time swearing like a trooper and wishing harm upon certain people, I am at a loss as to how to get rid of my rage.
JB12: welcome!!
I feared this would happen with the universities. It started over in the U.S., and unfortunately whatever lunacy happens there ends up here too.
I sympathise, and can only suggest that if you really can’t hack it, demand your money back and leave. Hopefully there’ll be others who will do the same. The universities need to be hit in their pockets as its the only thing they’ll care about.
Just so you can confirm its them and not you, look up “Tucker Carlson campus craziness” on YouTube, and enjoy.
Welcome
If you are new here, having found the blog via being mentioned in other media.
Welcome, do not stay in the background get involved.
There is also a forum available, access from the top of the front page.
Just had a nosey at Dolan’s twitter feed and this pic is on it.
Had to post due to the absurdity of Handcock looks like a kid on work experience shitting himself at the adults having a go at each other. Hugging himself with that nervous expression – Bless. (Wanker!)
Doris doesn’t look much in charge either!
so where are their effing masks??
There only 6 people in the photograph – oh oops, the photographer makes 7!
All exempting themselves as key workers
Thanks. I’ve just eaten…
To me it looks like Boris is receiving orders from Whitty – who we know has links to vaccine companies and the WHO, also to Gates…
Think we should be tweeting this photo out…
Is there a date for this snap? Who’s the bruiser on the extreme left?
I think I’m starting to lose it. I’ve only worn a mask once or twice since March always just saying that I’m exempt when challenged but today in Tesco I felt like I could simply punch some cretin if he said something.
Both my wife and I are feeling like that more and more often so you’re not alone.
This is why we’re stopping going anywhere – not because we’re scared of the virus or don’t want the hassle of being challenged when free-faced but because of what we may do to anyone who even looks at us the wrong way let alone says anything.
They’re not allowed to ask you- they can be fined £9k. Look at the links at the end of the newsletter!
My wife went shopping on her own over the past week,I am ready to take my frustration and anger out on the first covid wanker that says something out of line to me so it’s best not to go with her !.The trouble is my wife is getting to the same stage aswell !.
I might be making a point in my local supermarket after Johnson announces second lockdown. But I’ll have to start by wearing a mask…
Probably to be made mandatory everywhere this week. Watch all the zombies comply without question, and expect hassle every single time you leave the house, for any reason.
Just been listening to the 2 Goddesses of Gloom on the radio, predicting 50,000 new cases a day, as these are all just dodgy test results who cares? But they were also giving dire warnings that deaths could rise to 200 a day, I do not want to appear callous or uncaring but as around 1500 people die every day and as we often get excess winter deaths from flu or cold, if we do get 200 deaths a day is that not part of the ordinary ebb and flow of deaths stats in the winter time?
They also did not make it clear whether slowing it down would just delay the inevitable or whether it was going to disappear..
On the plus side the news did feature the counter argument and had an interview with prof karol sikora, who was good.
Is the David Icke/Piers Corbyn Trafalgar Sq gig still on this saturday or is this now likely to be outlawed as an “illegal gathering” ? Expect the police to do their best Melbourne impressions anyway.
Damn tooting it is. I am travelling 450 miles to be there! Fuck this bollocks, I need to be among human beings again!
I don’t care. I’m still attending. As the Manic’s said, if we tolerate this, then our children will be next.
If you wear BLM T-shirts but carry Anti lockdown placards then gormless plod will kneel for you rather than attack you
I think you meant “kneel for you rather than kneel on your neck”…
I thought it was a serious demonstration with serious speakers? That is very disappointing. . Corbyn is actually not too bad but Icke? Seriously, we have to move away from these conspiracy theorists and carry the people with us against this nonsense. That is really hard when they can point to Icke and his lizards and just paint us as a bunch of cranks and loons. I was planning on going, but won’t if it is headlined by those two I’m afraid.
They will say the crowd is cranks or loons anyway. I would love to see a mainstream line up with people like Peter Hitchens and Toby Young – but it clearly isn’t going to happen. This will probably be our last chance to protest for 6 months – I am sure Icke (if he makes it) will be on last so people who dislike him can just leave early.
Keeping an open mind then?!
You clearly don’t understand anything that is going on to make such glib black and white statements.
You are now a ‘conspiracy theorist’ for posting on this site.
Exactly. “IF” cases doubled every day, then after a month about 2 billion people in the UK would be infected. Not a prediction, just a maths lesson. Possibly the one Grant Shapps missed.
They can say any old bollocks by sticking an if in front and claiming they are not saying anything.
At Morrison’s Kettering, 1 in 10 maskless a week ago.
This weekend at Morrison’s Belper, I was the only maskless person.
Because masks are a highly visible thing to the public, they play an important part in the psy-ops. People hear headlines about increasing “cases” and their reaction is to be more assiduous in adopting this visible (though largely useless) symbol. On this site we’re also seeing anecdotal evidence of increasing verbal (or worse) abuse of non-wearers, despite exemptions.
People have been talking about this apparently increase in abuse of non-mask wearers for weeks, but I’m still commuting daily on the tube, not one confrontation yet. Done it since early August. Don’t be afraid people!
I was in South London Morrison yesterday. It was the other way around. More people without masks than a week ago. And the shop was busier. No empty shelves yet.
I have just watched Julie Hartley Brewer’s interview with the Transport Secretary, Grant Shapps. It was painful to see how innumerate he (and by extension the rest of the government) is. She was asking him about the false positive rate. He clearly did not understand that it, even after she had tried to explain it to him.
Is it possible to send as a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDt8Te20I9I
Just had this survey sent to me via email which I’ve completed and sent back. From the Covid-19 Assembly asking for views on lockdown. Might be worth a few more people doing it, not sure if it will help but anything feels like it might help now.
https://www.surveygizmo.eu/s3/90273590/covid
Done
Toby is behind it so I think it’s worth us all filling it in to give hime more ammo for the fights.
Is it legitimate?
It’s totally legitimate. It’s our new project. Please take part.
Brilliant I shall get sharing.
Thanks!
Completed just now. Relieved to be able to let off steam.
I’m usually a quiet solitary type, but now I’m becoming ever more angry and frustrated.
So many must feel as I do .
Thanks! Could you convince some no -Sceptics to complete it? They’re the ones we need to find out more about.
I’ll do my best
No probs. Please get a few non-Sceptics you know to complete it. Could you put up a sign in your premises?
filled in and shared
Yes. It’s our project! Please ask any non-sceptics you know to complete it. Thanks
Done it
Thanks
Done!! It’s nice to feel like I have a voice rather than shouting into the abyss every time I’m faced with a lockdown fanatic!
Done!
Done also – thanks.
Done.
Here we go..
HSBC’s shares dive to lowest level since 1995
Next phase of the reset?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54230733
What has occurred for that to happen?
A huge trove of secret government documents reveals for the first time how the giants of Western banking move trillions of dollars in suspicious transactions, enriching themselves and their shareholders while facilitating the work of terrorists, kleptocrats, and drug kingpins.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/fincen-files-financial-scandal-criminal-networks
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/european-banks-see-biggest-drop-months-after-massive-fincen-leak
Thanks – will look at those
Centred on 788 790 Finchley Road, and well documented by the great and late (sadly) Gordon Bowden: http://www.gordonbowden.co.uk/
Even BBC has it, doing a Panorama programme tonight. On something everyone has known about forever, that London is the centre of giant money laundering schemes through banks like HSBC and shadier outfits with branches in the City, often using British Crown dependency tax havens like the Turks and Caicos, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands etc etc.
The only novelty is the leak of some 2,000 Suspect Activity Reports (SARs, nice, isn’t it?) which banks have to complete if they suspect money laundering, but rarely act on and certainly not for their biggest customers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54225572
Thank you – as you say as if we didnt know they are crooks!
I watched some Netflix documentary on this recently. It’s not a new thing? That was HSBC too
So whitty says a vaccine next spring a few weeks ago he said it was at least a year away and that er might never have one.he is a liar and not to be trusted.
Now I know we dont need a vaccine ,but many sheep wont go back to normal until they have a jab
But this could go on for years we get to spring and they will say it will be ready in summer then autumn then next year see where I’m going!
Anyone who wants the jab should get one, whether they appreciate the risks or not! It’s totally on them!
For myself I would have to be held down and subdued and done by force, against my will, I would never give my consent!
These people are really enjoying inflicting pain and suffering. It must be immensely satisfying and highly amusing for them to see such high levels of compliance with what are obviously absurdities.
If they want a jab I am sure Putin would be delighted to supply a few million…
Putin isn’t bad at the other sort of jab either. Witless and Vaillant deserve a few of those each!
That’s why they’re keeping the Fear going and having to hide the fact that there’s no need for a vaccine : there is no viable vaccine in sight – apart from the fact that it isn’t needed. Egg on face time if truth were told.
Remember Tom Jefferson’s prescient comments in 2017 about links of this tribe to the pharmaceutical industry? :
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/
See this very revealing thread on Simon Dolan’s Twitter feed – just the photo tells you that Whitty is the puppeteer here: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1308016241781682177
Boris looks like he is receiving orders..
There are another couple of threads on Simon’s Twitter showing that Whitty is compromised (to say the least..)
Would be great if anyone with Twitter could share these with Peter Hitchens, Julia Hartley-Brewer, Denise Welch and anyone else you can think of!
I’ve probably spent an unhealthy amount of time listening to Muse lyrics the last few days. Prophetic though!
https://www.change.org/p/petition-vote-of-no-confidence-in-nicola-sturgeon-and-the-scottish-government-resignsturgeon
Trending on change.org
Please sign if languishing up here.
Here we go again: lockdown 2.0: the list of closures will finish off the likelihood of any small businesses surviving this madness.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/leaked-circuit-breaker-lockdown-plans-list-measures-which-could-be-placed-scotland-2978395
Wow. Semi-sceptical piece in the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/21/coronavirus-government-liberties-tories-police-powers-laws
Although he doesn’t criticise non-Tory measures in Wales/Scotland, but it’s a start.
John Harris is one of the few regular Groan journalists who does paddle his own canoe.
Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don’t : but at least I know I’m getting an honest view. The omission of particular comment on Wales and Scotland isn’t really anything : it’s an article written by an English journalist about England.
Where I would part company with him is in his acceptance of the basic narrative about a ‘crisis’ – to which the answer is, as always :
“Crisis? What crisis”
But at least he is picking up on the disjunction between the alleged disease and the remedies. It’s a start.
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I posted this yesterday, probably too late to receive a reply:
I would really like to know how much the overall level of hospitalisations and deaths (for all causes, or at least for all infectious disease) has been increasing lately, and if it is more or less the same as (a) the apparent increase in the same for Covid and (b) the rate from previous years.
I suspect that most of the apparent increase is just the normal seasonal trend in illness and death, likely aggravated by the false-positive issue (though I think the NHS Pillar 1 tests are more reliable, with a lower FPR) but would really like to know for sure.
Finding and sorting hospital data is tricky, I would be interested in answer to your question but do not know where to find that sort of information
I was hoping these sorts of statistics might already be available somewhere (didn’t manage to find it myself), Ivor Cummins’ recent video presentation shows Covid deaths plotted against normal yearly death rates at one point.
Make a FOI request, I did to the acute trust in Leicester and they answered all of my questions.
The semi-sceptical BBC article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649 actually refers to this issue “rising admissions for respiratory illness and, sadly, deaths are what you would expect to happen at this time of year as you head into autumn and winter when these viruses always spread more” and does contain a chart, though it isn’t really detailed enough to read easily (no month subdivisions)
I have seen it today, think someone put it on Guido Fawkes (?), will try and find a link and post here..
Found it! http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/09/uk-plotting-new-covid-cases-per-1000.html
Scroll down the page and you will find hospitalisations..
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A late and shit free limerick in response to @DamRitter’s earlier thread – my WordPress skills don’t allow me to insert it in the right place it seems:
A science denier called Whitty
Who thought he could top Walter Mitty
Said ‘I’m doing my best
With this PCR test’
To get down to the fake nitty gritty.
To make your life totally shitty.
(Best Ian Richardson voice) You might say that..
The Guardian shut down proper debate decades ago on their website. They do not tolerate, and never have tolerated, dissent. Only opinion within the bounds of what their moderators regard as reasonable are allowed. Censorship and banning have been used to enforce that rigidly. I was banned from there before the Iraq War, iirc, possibly before the Yugoslav war. The Off-Guardian site was set up precisely because even lefties found their permitted range of opinion too restrictive.
If you haven’t noticed that already, it is most likely because you share their views of what is a reasonable range of opinion and haven’t stepped outside it until now.
Re the constant harping on about this ridiculous mobile app – I have a nice ten year old Nokia that does very little apart from calls and texts.
No apps no vacs either, won`t get tested as I cannot afford to take two weeks off for a seasonal sniffle.
Nys ritn i had 2 yus txt spk wiv my nok
I will be digging mine out too.
Actually a sensible article from the BBC!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649
probably just wind, won’t happen again.
They do this on all issues to make it look like they are balanced: one article for the position they stand against, surrounded by a mountain of articles pushing their own position.
The same can’t be said for many of the comments btl
We’ve reached yet another peak of insanity. How high can we go, I wonder? (my emphasis)
Geraint Davies
(@GeraintDaviesMP)
To prevent 50,000 cases a day UK must reduce movement & assembly, the engines of infection by maximising remote working from home; schools open 6 days but each child for 4 days so schools only 2/3rds full; wear masks & use straws in pubs.
(from Twitter)
Well you do get pissed quicker, apparently
To ensure compliance for eating food, all meals will have to be liquefied.
Masks will be mandatory everywhere, including in your own home, and billions all over the world will happily comply.
There will have to be random surprise raids on peoples homes to ensure compliance. All worth it of course to save 50,000 lives.
Even if it only saves one life.
We will each have our own personal Covid marshal to check in on us once every hour to make sure we are complying with HANDS-FACE-SPACE-STRAWS.
To be fair, lots of studies have shown most transmission is in the home. To people you live with. So that is where if masks did work (which they don’t), they should be worn. Not while browsing cushions at Peter Jones.
Odd because a 73 year old male friend of mine here in Sweden has tested positive for antibodies (after a seemingly mild case of Covid), but his wife apparently does not have antibodies. They live in a small flat…
You’d expect her to have tested positive as well..
https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63721/petition/1?ea.url.id=4913654&forwarded=true
Suggest you sign this Liberty (formerly NCCL) petition to end the lockdown, scandalously it has so far only attracted under 35K signatures.
So, the UK govt is now basically governing by emergency decree.
Goebbels would be proud.
https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63721/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website
If you disagree with this, suggest you access the Liberty website, and possibly sign the anti CV Act petition.
There’s other help there, legal ,what your rights are etc.
I wonder when Johnson & co will appear on the podium dressed in military style uniforms, lots of gold braid & medals for the campaigns they have not fought.
Even Adolf’s Iron Cross was genuinely won.
Hopefully not for much longer – see this thread which ‘outs’ Whitty: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1308034035252371457
Is Mayo in the house, could do with some alternative thinking – if you are;
A couple of days ago you asked what the evidence was for there not being a ‘second wave’ – I asked what the evidence was for a second wave and were they normal after nasty coronavirus outbreaks (or any other nasty virus outbreaks) – my question was late so you probably didn’t see it – but I would very much like to know your thoughts.
I understand some people believe there was some sort of ‘second wave’ after the Spanish flu about 100 years ago, although there are plenty of other theories, including a second, and different virus rocking up.
But obviously nobody would base a ‘second wave’ theory purely on this subjective history, so there must be more recent evidence of second waves, but what is this evidence, please enlighten us.
Many thanks.
Well no Mayo on the salad – but, did you clock that the CEBM had examined this question?
Second waves as a common feature are not a fact at all :
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-epidemic-waves/
Yes, that and Dr Y and his 2 colleagues paper in LS a couple of weeks ago are why I don’t believe there is credible evidence for a second wave. I think that’s was why I asked the Q to Mayo after he/she asked for evidence for no second wave – the emphasis should be on evidence FOR a second wave.
There must be some reason for the ‘second wave’ thinking scientists to be so confident, and they seem to be keeping these reasons as a secret…
I think that’s was why I asked the Q to Mayo after he/she asked for evidence for no second wave – the emphasis should be on evidence FOR a second wave.
I disagree. We should assume that the default situation is that the virus is still active and that we still have a large susceptible population until evidence suggests otherwise.
However, I think the government & advisers have jumped the gun to-day. Continued close monitoring would have sufficed got another 7 to 10 days. Extrapolating from what was effectively little more than a single week’s data to get 50k cases is wildly speculative.
I’m inclined to agree with Carl Heneghan’s take on things which is that we are seeing a general seasonal uptick in all respiratory illnesses.
thank you
I do wonder if it was cooked up at certain point as a perfect story to tell after lockdown restrictions eased. The starting point was possibly Spanish Flu, but they probably knew that was not really relevant – it’s just a good cover. In reality, any “second wave” is simply the result of restrictions being eased, in the case where lockdown has done something to slow the spread (but nothing much to save lives) or is the result of normal seasonal fluctuations.
I think the latter. There is no evidence to show that lockdowns do anything than cause misery (social, economic, and all other health reasons that are non COVID)
Coronaviruses however, we know we more prevalent in the winter. Typically peaking Jan to March.
Well – it was pretty obvious to me that when the ‘plague horror’ story ran out of steam in May as the curve declined in line with the common pattern, we then had all sorts of shit about a ‘second wave’ as a replacement panic generator.
It is postulated that there were three separate viruses. The first in 1917, the big one in 1918 and a third in 1919 or 1920. Ivor Cummins has a video on this.
I believe that the Spanish flu is the precedent be used for the warnings of a second wave. It’s the only example ever given when challenged.
As you say, there could be a specific reason for there to have been a second wave of infection and death, which might be different populations being affected in the first and second waves.
http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/09/uk-plotting-new-covid-cases-per-1000.html
The graphs here debunk the second wave theory… note there is a graph lower down showing hospitalisations..
The “Russian flu” of the 1890’s now thought to be a corona virus by many scientists had 3 “waves” then is believed to have mutated into a common cold. The Victorians kept calm and carried on.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/did-a-coronavirus-cause-the-pandemic-that-killed-queen-victorias-heir
Aaargh my brother posting smug comments on BookFace about how all the climate deniers (of which I am not one) are denying TWhitty and Bedspread’s latest pronouncements, which we must take seriously… Followed by posting the following Guardian article about how all our liberties have been taken away – which he agrees with – what?!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/21/coronavirus-government-liberties-tories-police-powers-laws?fbclid=IwAR2NhCy6u9V7CQl6mq6eXby2zDcg-fDfOne224eJ7VFe6qofVuSh8T-dLqs
You can choose your friends, you cannot choose your family.
ABSOLUTELY.
Cognitive Dissonance is common currency these days…..Paranoid Schizophrenia also!
I heard the phrase ‘climate deniers’ recently, from an acquaintance online – knew it might start an argument but had to ask, if said group by definition includes the UK High Court, which ruled (late 2000s) that Al Gore’s movie ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ contained at least 9 major factual errors, and ought to only be seen under some kind of disclaimer and/or with presence of scientific rebuttal. No answer as yet..
I thought that the following from ‘OffGuardian’ was very succinct in clearly exposing (and disposing of) the myths of the government pseudo-scientists :
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In today’s “Covid briefing” Chris Whitty – the UK’s Chief Medical Officer – outlined that the Sars-Cov-2 virus poses four types of risk. But is he right? Let’s take them one at a time.
RISK 1: THE VIRUS CAN KILL PEOPLE.Misleading. Chris Whitty himself has been more than clear that the odds of dying from Covid19 are very very small. All of the serological studies done to date found an infection-fatality ratio of around 0.2% Meaning an infected person has 99.8% chance of surviving.
RISK 2: THE VIRUS CAN LEAD TO THE NHS BEING OVERRUN.Bogus. The hypothetical “covid surge” was first predicted back in March, and never materialised. Whitty admits as much in his statement. Even at the peak of the “pandemic” ICUs were operating at less than 60% capacity. To this day surgeons are working at 50% capacity.
RISK 3: THE VIRUS CAN IMPACT PUBLIC HEALTH INDIRECTLY VIA POSTPONED OPERATIONS, CANCELLED TESTS ETC.False. It’s not the “virus” which cancelled operations, it was the lockdown policies which were put in place to avoid the hospitals being overrun. Which, as Whitty admitted, never happened. It was not the virus which caused people to avoid healthcare out fear, but the press coverage deliberately designed to frighten people.
RISK 4: THE VIRUS CAN ADVERSELY AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH THROUGH ECONOMIC IMPACT.False. The virus has no economic impact of itself, lockdown does. Lockdown closed businesses and lost jobs and started a recession. A lockdown which was only put in place to #ProtectheNHS, which did not need protecting.
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So, of Chris Whitty’s “four risks”, one of them has a 99.8% survival rate, one of them never actually happened and the other two are consequences of lockdown policy and not related to the virus at all.
probably why the prick was shaking so much – are we sure his family hasn’t been kidnapped…
You mean the kidnappers have got the wrong Whittys? Must have been Boris wot done it. Only an idiot could get the wrong Whitty not once, but repeatedly.
Yes, that’s a pretty good response. I’m interested in this one, though, which I think could bear some close examination:
“ The hypothetical “covid surge” was first predicted back in March, and never materialised. Whitty admits as much in his statement. Even at the peak of the “pandemic” ICUs were operating at less than 60% capacity. To this day surgeons are working at 50% capacity.”
I’d love to see an in depth analysis of the numbers of acute and critical beds occupied through the “crisis” period, to try to assess to what extent the crash program of freeing up space could have been justified even back at the peak demand. Percentages are problematic because they presumably are percentages of a progressively increasing number for bed capacity, ultimately including the almost unused Nightingales.
Good point. The CEBM data shows critical care bed occupancy peaking at c.3,300 in April – but I can’r find what the total capacity was.
Whitty explained that lockdowns so that a “second wave” does not disrupt other NHS services
But NHS services have already been disrupted…. to prepare for the “second wave”!
It’s the mad f***ing hatters party.
Yes – It’s really ‘Alice Through the Looking Glass’ territory, when we know that the NHS is struggling with the last lockdown backlog, and has shed beds because of ‘distancing’.
FFS!
And Whitty has known links to vaccine companies: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1308034035252371457
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statler_and_Waldorf aka Vallance and Whitty. If there was a more ironic name than Professor Whitty I cant think of one.
I wonder if he was known as witless at school, it might explain a lot
The self-righteous brothers
Well we’ve certainly lost that loving feeling, and it’s now chained melody.
Dumb and Dumber?
Half-witty ?
That’s an insult to Statler and Waldorf – they were actually consistent and funny
Assuming as seems almost certain that today’s bollocks from Whitty & co was stage setting for more bollocks from the PM & co tomorrow, it should be clear to all now that they are going to keep doubling down until the bitter end.
It’s all out war now.
Anyone who knows any staunch Tories or Brexiteers or Boris fans who still harbour some kind of regard for the PM and the others, should be sternly told off and told to stop being silly.
I still think what we need is a well funded single-issue political party, or central movement as a point of focus, a la Vote Leave, professionally assisted and managed, that designs and runs a massive information campaign designed to counteract the govt. propaganda and get the kind of change in public opinion that will frighten enough backbenchers to get this to turn round
Best thing members of any political party can do at the moment is resign their membership and tell their member of parliament and local party why they are doing this.
I wondered if there might be a leak of MPs, they could stand down to force a local election and then stand as an independent (if they’ve still got any guts for the job). Meanwhile a new nation wide party could form which they could ally themselves to.
I disagree, having though about it for a long time.
Without contrarians, the establishment shills just walk away with control.
For the first time I actually agree with this. The only reason I didn’t before is because I thought all this would be over well before the May elections
Can we please get the Spanish situation in perspective.
Around 10% of tests in Spain are positive.
Around 6% of deaths are of people who have tested positive.
A smaller percentage of people are dieing with a positive test than in the population as a whole.
SO THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER OF A SECOND WAVE IN SPAIN FROM THE ‘CASES’ FIGURES.
did you cc the vallance & whitty show in on your conclusion – I think we’re all convinced
No, but even this website and CEBM haven’t picked up on this point.
You mean “Vacuous” and “Witless”
Why do I keep thinking about the film:Invasion of the body snatchers,the 50’s original not the pathetic remake.
Because it’s a bloody good representation of what’s happening.
Great film. I think the bit at the end where the authorities at last start to believe him was tacked on as the film was felt to be too downbeat without it. But the remake finished with no hint of optimism. Which version are we in?
I like to think the former
Please sign petition: To prevent any restrictions on those who refuse cov19 vaccination’, it is up to 142,071 and growing, we need millions…if everyone got 3- 5 other people to sign it would be astronomic….
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
Exponential even!!!!
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/21/lockdown-is-making-liars-of-us-all/
Another good one from Spiked
Just discovered Steve Brown’s Twitter feed https://twitter.com/stevebrown2856
For anyone not sick of charts and graphs there’s a lot of good information there, especially shedding light on/debunking the latest “50,000 cases per day” scare.
This is a goldmine! Thanks.
And on the subject of charts, it seems like this is where Whitty and Vallance got their “not a prediction” from: https://twitter.com/Manquality2018/status/1307995185226428417/photo/1
Matt Hancock apparently answering an urgent question shortly (next 20 or so mins)
Hopefully the question is ‘will you resign and give way to Carl Henegan’ and the answer is ‘yes’
I am doing a ‘resign dance’ as we speak.
Is that at the request of the Speaker?
I can’t believe what I am a reading, Labour coming around (well, sort of) to a sceptical viewpoint and not prepared to play fast and loose with the nation’s finances! It’s what I would have expected from Boris, but not anymore. Maybe the tide is turning after all:
Labour shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth has urged the government to avoid imposing a second national lockdown following today’s briefing from Prof Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance.
He said Downing Street would be to blame for a second wave of the virus, saying the government had failed to fix the testing regime and had not supported people to self-isolate.
“The government must do what it takes to prevent another lockdown, which would cause unimaginable damage to our economy and people’s wellbeing,” he said.
“We need an effective testing and tracing system with support for people to isolate. When testing breaks down we can’t track this virus and it quickly gets out of control.”
Shadow chancellor Annelise Dodds has also taken aim at the government, accusing it of a “cavalier” approach to spending during the pandemic.
Speaking at the Labour Party’s online conference, she said: “You’re only as cavalier with public money as our current chancellor if you don’t know the value of it.
“As chancellor, I would ensure that public money was always spent wisely. Targeted where it’s needed most. Not splurged where it isn’t.”
Is this a turning point? First time I’ve agreed with Labour in a long time!
Really? Agree with a mass testing and tracing programme?
Look like Labour support the China – Asia – Australia approach of total suppression through total surveillance.
Not for me thanks.
Plough resources to support the more vulnerable and let everyone take responsibility for themselves. That’s what I support.
Not that bit, just the stuff about a second lockdown. I’ll take what I can get these days.
Yes – at least it’s a small advance to get the lockdown idea identified as rubbish. A thin wedge – but a wedge.
Politically, the issue is to make MPs feel that there may be votes in standing out from the crowd and getting ahead of the game with a tide shifting against the current shambles.
Agreed – it’s long overdue and welcome to see a breakdown in the near-unanimity we’ve had so far among the governing classes.
Me too
Well on the face of it, it may be helpful to our cause up to a point, though possibly not for the “right” reasons. Test and trace is largely nonsense, and encouraging people to needlessly self isolate at public expense isn’t exactly a good use of funds either. But opposing a new national lockdown is a step in the right direction, though I fear it won’t go further than that – local lockdowns and the continuing lockdown of distancing, masks, rule of six, rule by SI etc would continue under Labour
Yes this is what I fear too
Ashworth isn’t the brightest bulb in the chandelier.
But it’s a bit of a move in the right direction, even tho’ he’s hanging onto the rags of ‘Taest and Trace’ as a policy which, as we know is beside the point :
Don’t agree on T&T but small steps I guess. If we can avoid Lockdown II, then hopefully we can push back on the bigger picture from there.
Rank hypocrisy from Labour, trying to have their cake and eat it as well – panic-monger about a dangerous disease with pie in the sky nonsense about supposed track and trace and self-isolation cures..
When has hypocrisy ever been absent from politics?
Hancock making a statement in the house.
Project fear is running 100%
It’s Mega Monday before final fear friday. But they are too late. Too many are already aware something is up. Now those disparate groups and individuals are connecting. We will have our country back.
Why are the government so frit of locking down any part of London? Nearest I believe is/was Luton if it ever went into lockdown, or Leicester.
I am sure if they sent in the mobile testing people they could get a goodly number of cases in London.
Frightened of the backlash?
Indeed. They are screwed every way in their arguments.
If immunity in the population is low – then, clearly the badly afflicted London is in for another massive second wave to match the first – so needs locking down.
Or the first wave created a level of immunity that, coupled with other immune factors means that such measures are pointless.
Make up yer mind time.
Locking down London makes the forthcoming protest on Saturday much more difficult..
London being the seat of government, they may be afraid of inducing too much resistance there, such as rioting in Brixton, Croydon etc. Too close to home for them, whereas it’s OK to screw the peasants in the North.
https://thecritic.co.uk/matt-hancock-obstinate-or-innumerate/
Our Toby on Hapless Hancock
Just the fact he doesn’t understand what false positives mean shows he is unfit for this office. Peoples lives and livelihoods are being ruined based on these statistics, it’s not a game.
Quite correct. This lot are a kamikaze cabal, and they’re taking us all down.
This chart shows positive tests as a % of all tests for the UK as a whole.
I’ve also shown a false positive rate at 0.8% and shown notional numbers for the asymptomatic and people who are tested after the virus has become inactive, generally about 2 or 3 weeks after infection.
So, I’ve assumed 70% are asymptomatic and 60% are tested after the infectious phase.
Of the positive tests very few are likely to be genuinely infectious. In the chart only the little gap between the top blue and grey line represent infectious people.
This may be why so many people who test positive still didn’t infect even the people in their own home.
A good shot at making sense of the reality
It is a ‘pyrrhic victory’ if a state is destroyed to curb infections
Sky News Australia continuing their sterling work in this panic.
The have been making excellent comentary. Important ti know it is not tge same organisation as the poor UK Sky News, I learned on LS.
Good piece from a panic-resistant virologist
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/21/can-beat-covid-without-lockdowns-says-top-german-virologist/
“It is time to stop all this alarmism. We can outsmart the virus using all our knowledge,”
“We have to realise that Covid-19 is going to be with us for a long time and we must learn to live with it.
He goes on to say that we can’t keep shutting everything down and argues against assumptions that lasting immunity is low
“We have to realise that Covid-19 is going to be with us for a long time and we must learn to live with it.”
But will it be ‘with us’ in any important sense ‘for a long time’? Why should it differ from Swine ‘Flu?
How about “RESISTANCE” for a name for any future sceptic political party?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gbJTtxhy5w
I have just written to my MP. I prefer to keep it short. I don’t think MPs (or anybody, unless very keen indeed) will read a long essay-type letter. Here’s what I said:
I write to you as a constituent and a lifelong Conservative voter at general elections since 1979. I write to express my opposition to the coronavirus measures and to urge you to vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act. I will not give my reasons at length, because I am sure you have encountered them before, but in summary, I believe the coronavirus measures are
I’m not asking for a rebuttal or counter-arguments. I have seen them and continue to see them everywhere, and I believe I have taken them into account. I am simply stating that I will have to find another party to vote for at the next election unless matters improve. I expect that a single-issue party will emerge and, like the Brexit Party, create an incentive for change.
Good letter.
Used a lot of it as a template for my MP’s letter. Added a bit about the vaccine.
Well done. I think that you’re absolutely right about not writing essays. I’ve done much the same, condensing things into three sets of bullet-points dealing with, an overview of policy flaws, the facts and the evidence and a request for specific actions by the MP, including opposition to government proposals on vaccines..
I’ve also included, indications that I wasn’t born yesterday and won’t be satisfied with bland repetition of the myths as a response.
I am not particularly hopeful of seeing any action – but one can but try – and not trying is inaction.
I’m from the other end of the political spectrum, but the problems are just the same : the culture born of inexperience, pole-climbing and subservience that has grown in parliament.
BRILLIANT letter.
100: 1 to change the bulb and 99 to write dissertations; ie : light bulbs and Zen Buddhism in a post Covid world.
There is some very good analysis and proper investigative journalism on the UK Covid statistics on this YouTube figures it destroys the case for lockdown using government data. As many on this site already know we are being completely misled by the media reporting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZjxnMEBE0
My daughter has just told me that Oxford University has sent everyone an email address for reporting rule transgressions to the university. And this the University that Chris Patten is VC of. I never ever thought I would see universities doing this. Shameful.
If we see this crap gone in my lifetime, the unis will be the last to go
Can you publish that email address here?
Yes please – I need to tell them that I have spotted the Teletubbies gathering with 3 of their friends
snow white also needs to kill one of her 7 dwarfs! better snick on her too!!
Perhaps you could let us know what that email address is. I sense a bit of fun in the future!
Gosh, look how the mainstream media reacted after the government science poodles made their “non-prediction” this morning:
“Without urgent action, the UK’s Covid-19 cases could hit 50,000 a day
Advisers have said that deaths could hit 200 a day if the current rate of infections continue”
https://twitter.com/i/events/1308006172746711040
I’m sure the government scaremongers never expected or intended that response…..
just read the comments section, nice to see most people are calling out the BS
“could” being the key word. Nice to see people are getting fed up with this though.
200 deaths a day is just a normal winter flu season. not even covid can kill you twice!
Can someone please stop this madness now?!
yes, put your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes, and say nanananananananan…..
and it will indeed all go away – just crack on mate….
get a fuckin grip!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Letter has been sent today by a load of leading uk scientists, etc. questioning the whole government strategy, including oxford university:
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora
6 months we’ve had to wait for this collective response!
PS. How many professors does it take to change a light bulb!
No idea, but I have several theories.
100.
1 to change the bulb and 99 to write dissertations; ie: Light bulbs and Zen Buddhism in a post Covid world.
It would take millions of epidemiologists, and most of those would die in the process, according to predictions from Imperial College.
haha
There is certainly a tipping point approaching when we see something like this. A lot of academics just needed leadership to get behind and this is it I feel. Massive hope feels from this letter.
These are the good guys, Heneghan, Jackson, Sikora & Gupta have been pretty heroic. Huge amounts of work, brillian analysis, months banging their heads against a brick wall that is the BBC. They all deserve knighthoods.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-needs-to-rethink-his-covid-strategy
For those who might not have seen this: Professors Gupta, Heneghan and Sikora issue a carefully planned and cogent challenge to Boris and co.
I agree with pretty much everything they say especially last paragraph. We need to share this as widely as possible.
Re: Labour making sense. Great question from Rupa Huque – ‘can we have Vitamin D prescribed as there is evidence from Norway that high levels are beneficial’
yes, very rare, and then handycock said – there is no such evidence – just wait for your fcukin injection and stop being so impatient…
(i may have made some of that up)
Easy for people to buy vitamin D themselves – it isn’t that expensive…
Actually a large number of Swedes take it during the winter, because it is so dark here, even in the south.. Where I live, we only have daylight from about 9 am till 2.30 pm, and as Swedes start work at 8 am, they both go to and come home from work in the dark for a number of months!
This may have an effect on our Covid cases over the coming winter…
Rather the NHS to provide vitamin D test for all, then Vitamin D3 supplementing dosages can be recommended according how low your levels are. The prescribed Vitamin D2 is synthetic and not well absorbed, also massive dose once a week is not very effective. In addition Vitamin D3 is relatively affordable. If you are older it is better to take Vitamin D3 with Vitamin K2 (helps the body to absorb calcium into the bones and not stay in the blood) and Magnesium.
If pregnant it is critical that you get a test and supplement vitamin D3.
Exposure to sunshine will also assist in increasing vitamin D levels, however a big part of the body must be exposed to makes enough vitamin D3. From October to March the sun in the UK is too low in the sky to make vitamin D.
Is Johnson hedging his bets?
The plan.
1. Allow doom and gloom to give their view.
2. Threaten a FULL lockdown if the public don’t heed the final warning.
3. Wait…..
If those pesky stats don’t start rising Profs Doom and Gloom will look rather silly and Johnson will have shown good leadership for once by following the numbers and NOT just the science.
11 deaths today.
I emailed similar views to yours, to my MP a couple of hours ago, hotrod and told him that the British public don’t like being taken for fools (at least those of us on here don’t) and that we would remember the way in which we had been treated by inept politicians.
do you mean is Dom hedging his bets?
“Is Johnson hedging his bets” I doubt it. I expect it was all stage managed. The government can make the stats fit whatever message they want to give. The PM is not some hapless victim here – he is the perpetrator.
11 deaths – when we were in the peak of the deaths, deaths above the 5-year average vaguely matched covid deaths in terms of numbers, so even though the whole business of with or from covid was very grey, the numbers were vaguely plausible and meaningful, but is that still the case? Are we seeing deaths above any kind of recent average now? If so, attributing them to covid without some more evidence is dodgy IMO.
But did those deaths OCCUR today, or merely reach the stats today..???
Not a chance. He is going to pretend to be strong and decisive and keep ploughing forward in the same direction. Like the generals in WWI ordering assault after assault each with the same catastrophic result. All well spoken, very arrogant and very stupid.
FFS, how many more candidates does Johnson need to chuck under the bus?
Scottish Government leaked document. Every trick in the book to cause public focus on today’s Operation Fear Mark 2: The Reheat. A document seen on Twitter by the Daily Record apparently lists measures being considered by Krankie and others. Lockdowns in school holidays one measure or telling the nation to look out is another apparently. What was leaked seems less important that there was a ‘sensational’ headline grabbing leak.
It seems from what I have read of the presentation by our new leaders Whitty and Valance that we are soon to be put under house arrest again, in Wales I see a number of draconian measures including Police checkpoints have already been introduced. We are powerless aren’t we? locked up, masked up, told how to behave, who to speak with and no recourse through Parliament. Might as well give up and die
yes, Wales and Scotland are to be our Victorias, once the toss pots fcuking up those countries have finished the people will be begging to stay in the UK
I see Nicola Sturgeon was “immersed” with her advisors all weekend. Couldn’t they all have drowned?
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1308034035252371457
Whitty has such clear links to vaccine development – how can he possibly be impartial in his advice?
There is no requirement for him or any member of SAGE to be impartial. Nor is there any requirement for them to declare any conflicts of interest.
This will give you a flavour of the massive conflicts of interests (you might want to turn the sound down..)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d66V0-rlk8&ab_channel=They%27reDistortingYOURRhthym
Don’t give up. Endure and it will eventually end. We’re just unruly citizens being put back in line. Slip below the wire and get on with your life quietly. What else can we do? I don’t wish to diminish the absurdity and seriousness of this situation but be encouraging. I long for the past, it’s all very sad.
does any body know when our lockdown announcment is to be? I want to watch on the telly in spoons
Why do some pubs have news channels on anyway? You go there to get away from all the shit in the world not wallow in it!
I go to spoons specifically to wallow in shit!
Oh OK then.
After tomorrow morning’s COBRA?
Another small bit of information about the Trafalger Square demonstrstion this week. Please take it for a possibility – I don’t know if accurate.
The police were charging at the crowd almost from the get go on Saturday.
There were many veterans there holding them back so the speakers could proceed.
The police were there in their hundreds.
As some LSs were there it seems like possibly useful information to help understanding.
And yet another email to Sir Graham Brady – if he’s such a sceptic why doesn’t he speak up more loudly?:
Dear Sir,
Once again I find myself emailing you, yet still without a response.
The delusional scientific advisers advising this government are now saying that there will be 50,000 cases per day in October unless we do something.
Please can I once again URGE you, in fact I am begging you, to get the Prime Minister to get a grip and stop this unnecessary heavy handed fear mongering and authoritarian control of the nation.
As we know from all the other wild predictions of these so called experts, there will not be 50,000 cases per day in October, this is utter nonsense.
Is there any way of calling for a vote of no confidence or just something to stop this complete madness from further escalating?
Kind regards,
I think he has to be more measured than just measured….
There is an ocean going tanker to turn, and it has many moving parts
He did ask a relevant question in the HoC this afternoon but only caught a bit of it, followed by MH batting him off and going on about the need to save lives.
I think he got the message:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8754081/Former-head-Supreme-Court-Baroness-Hale-says-Parliament-surrendered-powers.html
I expect he needs to choose he approach carefully to bring along enough other MPs to actually achieve anything. Looks like step 1 is to get an amendment in the Corona Act to take back power to Parliament. If he can’t even get MPs to agree that they should have the power to debate and vote on these measures, then there’s no hope.
I like to think he’s doing an incremental approach like Heneghan.
It needs to be faster – the vote to extend the coronavirus act is on 30th Sept..
Although it’s actually the Public health act they are adding the SIs to, I believe..
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/doctors-urge-government-introduce-stronger-4532406
what a load of tosh….its our fault for going out apparently.
It’s our fault for living.
The Crime is Life the sentence is death
As Judge Death likes to say
Comment of the day 6097!
Careful – the govt might have an answer for that.
I see that the print MSM (via Anna Brees) all called the demo on 19th as being comprised of conspiracy theorists which of course immediately invalidates their cause since by definition they’re all mad, so is it a surprise people don’t want to be labelled as such? And yet…and yet…here we are with Johnson, Hancock, Witty et all pushing so desperately for that second wave by, if not telling outright lies then being somewhat economical with the truth, despite all the data so far suggesting there is no second wave. Nevertheless it is heaped upon us like desperate farmers shovelling shit before the rains come. But that’s ineptness, not a conspiracy. And yet…and yet…a London calling podcast in May/June had Dellingpole mention that some Tory MP (?) had told him that there would be a second lockdown in October, or it was a likelihood. So doesn’t that mean they’ve prepared for it, they knew it was on the cards? But that’s just ineptness? And now today they continue their psy-ops by suggesting that the virus spreads most efficiently in enclosed spaces with lots of people, i.e. places where people socialise. And those that think this is just ineptness don’t suppose they are preparing again to close pubs and restaurants, and further suck dry the joy out of everyone’s lives. But this is just ineptness… and Brutus was an honourable man. More businesses going to the wall to prevent the spread of a virus now less virulent than the common cold. Yet, this is just ineptness. When the BBC reversed the footage of the Battle of Orgreave in 1984 thereby insinuating the miners attacked the police and not the other way round (a fact – well a ‘mistake’ – the BBC admitted and apologised for in 1991) witnesses who were there were called conspiracy theorists. And the BBC said it was a ‘mistake’ so just ineptness then. And Brutus was an honourable man. By their actions in destroying lives (by decree, not law) this government and their advisors are criminals and murderers and no-one is calling them to account, not least parliament. They need to pay for this. MPs are supposed to work for us. They need reminding, as Peter Hitchens has said recently, what they are being paid for. From MPs replies I’ve read on this site you’d think they were all in on it. And yet it is only ineptness for ‘none dare call it a conspiracy.’
It is all ineptness… nod nod nod.
From freedictionary.com
con·spir·a·cy (kən-spîr′ə-sē)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
the·o·ry (thē′ə-rē, thîr′ē)
n. pl. the·o·ries1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
I’ll leave that for you to decide what it is.
Put it through the Orwellian newspeak translator and you get…….tah-dah…
Critical thinker
The SAGE minutes released by Simon Dolan confirm that the govt were actively seeking ways of scaring the public and finding ways to ramp up the fear. This is / was tyranny. People will deny that this is a plandemic though. Too much critical thinking and you will be called a conspiracy theorist by people who don’t want to face reality.
According to Vallance’s graph, by the end of the first week of February approximately 12.5 billion people will have the disease.
Note: This is not a prediction
32million per day by xmas using his maths ‘if it keeps doubling every 7 days’
According to Simon Dolan, ‘The number of cases in London fell from 2,335 in the seven days from September 4 to 10, to 1,699 in the period from September 11 to 17′
So why a new lockdown?
Ober Gruppen Fuhrer Kahn was feeling left out
we need more people…
Hospitals aren’t empty anymore, they’re functioning normally on the whole. Where did you hear this? See this? Obviously the waiting lists etc are now huge and almost insurmountable etc and many consultations are staggered etc or online. I’m just not sure that hospitals are empty like mid lockdown.
Hi Cruella, I am going to delete my post as I cannot find written proof to backup my claim.
What I do see with my mark one eyeball is if I drive through my local hospital, ordinarily I would not be able to find anywhere to park, I could spend 30 minutes driving round trying to find a parking space. Hospital staff frequently park on local side streets.
Since March parking is not an issue, I can park close to whichever department I wish to visit.
A good person tweets
Dr Waqar Rashid
@DrWaqarRashid1
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Still fuming – extrapolated graphs which double in rate and end up as skyscrapers come late Oct. They say it is not a prediction but present no other (better and plausible) scenarios and offer no evidence that measures advocated will make any difference. Mickey-mouse science
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It is the image that is being used. Skyscraper graph like the silly little joke graph someone posted on today’s comments page. A toddler graph. But, is it incompetence? Surely this isn’t how you hid incompetence by looking incompetent!
Keep cool because we are winning. Bill and Ben have lost any shred of credibility left in the eye of other scientists … surely?
Dr. Rashid is great!
Bill and Ben made me laugh
Someone should ask those two treasonous bustards how much of Gates’s money they are pocketing!
Chris Whitty is on the interim board of CEPI https://imi.europa.eu/sites/default/files/uploads/documents/news-events/events/2016/biopreparedness_roettingen_CEPI_new_vaccines_for_safer_world.pdf
“Novavax is receiving $384 million in new funding for its work on a coronavirus vaccine from the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness — the biggest investment from CEPI to date.” https://pharmamanufacturing.com/industrynews/2020/cepi-makes-its-biggest-coronavirus-vaccine-investment-to-date/
From
https://twitter.com/lisakeb007/status/1308026317154267136?s=20
Another Whitty ‘interest’ is listed on the thread.
This is outrageous.
Agreed – anyone with Twitter need to spread this information far and wide!
Spent some time in a school today: interesting.
The worst aspect of this craziness (ie most potentially harmful) was the constant putting on and taking off of marks – encouraging the spread of bacteria. Plus at lunchtime, students sat down to eat packed lunches, but I saw no evidence of hand washing or sanitising. So has basic hygiene been replaced by Covid nonsense?
All the kids have new sore throats anyway, which demonstrates the virus transmission mechanisms are still fully functional.
Mention that to anybody though and you can watch the brain Segfault and reboot.
How do we know that to confirm their “second wave” narrative and to ensure their “planned for” Lockdown 2 happens they just release whatever figures for deaths, hospitalisations and infections they damn well please?
There is a control for this isn’t there?
Other than a handful of individual scientists and journalists with a backbone, none whatsoever.
none the figures are largely made up and cannot be verified or falsified
12:30 tomorrow apparently is Boris locking us all down again from the House of Commons
Never in any doubt. Why is he even bothering to go to the House of Commons?
Source?
he is speaking to us from HoC at 12:30 – what he is going to say I have no idea
National mockdown with curfews I guess.
Neither does he
Travel restrictions 5 miles from home and hospitality curfew closures. More masks in public spaces. national lockdown for school holidays perhaps.
All guesses. Travel is the main one I think likely.
Is it so you cannot debate?
Probably to stop Saturday’s march..
The Establishment and media (especially the BBC) certainly hate all criticism and questioning of the lockdown strategy. The only debate allowed is how draconian the measures should be. Actions have been decided already.
If there was another George Floyd type incident in America (unless the victim was while, hispanic or asian) – I think there would be full political, police and media support for a million man style march and protest.
Mask Mould:
https://twitter.com/mattlarby/status/1307441238799462406
Great post. If I forward this to anyone, I know the response I will get:
“Yes but masks work, because science.“
But won’t somebody think of the children!
My son came home from school on Friday and said he’d been wearing his mask for three hours straight. His breath stank, it cannot be healthy to wear these things.
It won’t be long before he starts developing serious oral infections as a result of this. Not to mention the psychological damage being inflicted.
It sickens me that none of this is reported in MSM, but then they are bought and paid for by pure evil so it is no surprise.
Retail report. I decided to do some non-essential shopping before the regime barks out its latest orders. I wore my magic exemption badge to ward off the zombies and demons.
Recently somebody here mentioned Debenhams being on the skids, lots of items at 70% off and few customers. My observations agree, though Monday afternoon is probably not a busy time anyway. Likewise in HMV. Actually both of these shops haven’t been busy for years. Card payment only in HMV.
In Poundland I was interested to see that they did have toilet rolls, though gaps were visible on the shelves. I expect panic buying will really take off in the next couple of days as the threat of a new lockdown sinks in.
Coffee & cake in a chain café, not one of the big three. I won’t name them in case the Stasi visit them, as they weren’t too fussed about track & trace – just a QR code on display. Assistant with mask below her mouth, nice smile, I’m always susceptible to a pretty girl.
Still a high level of mask wearing (it’s an indoor shopping centre) but a few non-wearers, mostly young men and women.
HMV?!!! Where?
The MSM are wetting their knickers with glee due to Witless and Vallance’s “non prediction”.
Even the FT are reporting the above as if it were gospel.
Is Ferguson doing his best again?
I’m beginning to despair.
the higher they climb, the further they fall…
It would be an interesting project to track down pronouncements (from March) by government shills, and set them against the facts that emerged.
Yes, and to make a little film..
I definitely sense a change in public opinion – if not outright scepticism and anger, then at least weariness and an impression of people being worn down and utterly fed up of this misery. That is cause for optimism, and if further restrictions are brought in tomorrow, I predict they will be much less popular than the first lockdown, especially if they are social restrictions (bans on households meeting) and curfews, because the public generally tends to pick up on the contradictory and illogical nature of these types of restrictions. ‘So I can be in a train/pub/classroom/shop with dozens of people but I can’t meet my mum’/’Does the virus only strike after 10pm?’
We must keep pressing on. I wasn’t sure whether to laugh or cry at the alarmist rubbish the scientific advisors brought out today but there are many more dissenting scientists and sceptics now than there were in March. It feels like a long haul for me because I have been sceptical since February (following the Covid story in general since January as well) and I’m sure the same can be said for many on here! It isn’t over yet but it will be soon. They can’t hold back the tide forever.
I agree. There are more and more speaking out against it each day. They can’t keep these lies up much longer hopefully.
I really hope that your qualified optimism is borne out.
I think that your observations are right – there’s a sort of weary resignation, which hasn’t defeated the Fear factor when push comes to shove, but suggests some cracks in the wall.
I was heartened to-day, driving around at school chuck-out time to at least see no increase in ludicrous fresh-air mask wearing after the latest attempts to throw a scare into people.
There is way to go, but a few straws in the wind – such as Heneghan and Jefferson coming out strongly, Levitt and others’ letter, Ashworth shifting slightly – suggest that this may be a pivotal time.
We need to turn the tables and scare the f. out of Johnson and Co. about the dire consequences of all this false narrative going tits up, with them taking the blame for the real excess deaths, the privations of the ‘vulnerable’ about whom they weep crocodile tears etc.
What we need is some real journalism to pose the questions that we know need to be asked – but, as with the decline in the occupancy of the HoC, that’s a big ask after a long process of decline in skill and moral fibre.
We must stay optimistic because this is a war of attrition. They want to see us worn down and in despair. We won’t give them that satisfaction.
You’re right Poppy we need to keep the morale up .Their defences are breaking and now is the time to advance .Steady under fire .
I’m not worn down with despair, I’m burning with anger.
If Johnson had the balls to stand up and say the following, he would get my respect:
“You will never get any of your freedoms back. Your body and mind now belongs to the state. If you try and fight us, you will have our respect (unlike the fools that comply with everything we say who are beneath contempt), but you will be defeated.“
I want to believe your last statements are right Poppy. Our side is growing.
I think I agree. Today has, bizarrely, been a good day. It’s almost as though Whitty and Vallance and the ramp up to level 4 on a day of 11 deaths has helped throw into focus how ludicrous it all is. If they had been more muted and reasonable it might have been harder but they have played into the sceptical hands today. Plus, as time goes on there will be more anger as more people are impacted by the lockdown strategy and the Covid-only NHS.
Indeed. I am against further restrictions obviously but they are, sadly, probably going to happen so perhaps a round of second restrictions are a necessary evil to get people to really wake up and end this nonsense once and for all.
Don’t like the idea of at least another 6 months of this.. gives them far too long impose yet more restrictions, covipasses etc..
Neither do I, but I have faith that there’s only so much that the public can take. A lot of them are complying on the basis that they’re not expecting this to last much longer.
UK Biosecurity Centre has just announced it recommends moving from 3 to 4 on the covid threat level meter doohicky.
Sky News just reported.
Also Sky setting up UK as being 6 weeks behind Spain. Regional areas lockdowns around Madrid with police checks between zones.
as far as I know there are only lockdowns in Mardrid
Was a roving reporter standing on a Madrid street talking about the local areas only with permission supposed to be granted for work or other good reason to enter other zones.
Clearly designed to ramp up the pressure on MPs to extend the coronavirus act powers..
That is exactly right.
Regarding restrictions, next time anyone tells you that Sweden should have acted like Denmark and Norway, refer them to this:
https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1308036940042731520
‘First Denmark now Norway! They introduce now more measures as a result of new red level alerts & introduces a ban on gathering more than ten people in private homes, people travelling by public transport need to use a mask at all times. Restaurants & cafes must keep visitor lists’.
They seem to have been taking advice from the UK
Note: Not sure that Denmark has done any more than introduce masks in certain places thus far..?
Anyone know what Finland is doing?
Pony trekking or camping. Or maybe watching TV
and getting bitten by mosquitoes
Finland, Finland, Finland. It’s the country for me.
Had the most mental stag do ever in Finland. Absolute nutters.
See here: https://valtioneuvosto.fi/en/information-on-coronavirus/current-restrictions
6 weeks behind Spain, the new 2 weeks behind Italy.
Ah, the Biosecurity Centre headed up by a terrorism expert… who has no idea about medicine but certainly knows how to promote terror.
Anyone care to comment on this blog post? I guess this is the view from the other side. Disingenuous at best.
https://liorpachter.wordpress.com/2020/09/21/the-lethal-nonsense-of-michael-levitt/#respond
Yes….Bollocks!
you fight the battles you’ve got a chance of winning – no point pissing against the wind
These academic squabbles can get very catty!
For anyone who wants to check out Michael Levitt’s thoughts, here is the interview with Freddie Sayers.
https://unherd.com/thepost/prof-michael-levitt-heres-what-i-got-wrong/
Apparently the BBC is saying that climate change activists are not very diverse. Well, of course they’re not. Non-white people tend to be Christians, Hindus or Moslems.
In other words, they’ve already got a religion.
So are they saying that ethnic minorites don’t care about the environment? So the BBC is being RACIST?!
Q. When is a prediction not a prediction?
A. When it is made by the Chief Medical Officer of the land, who tells us that 200 people may die every day, but that this is not a prediction, meaning in fact that 200 people a day may not die. Having learned that no one believes the modeling anymore, they now come out with this meaningless tripe. As a physician, he should know about things like false positives and the risk of extrapolating from weak data points, so the only plausible explanation is that he is deceiving the public….
Look into my eyes, look into my eyes…Not around the eyes but into my eyes!!!
Boris’s speech from tomorrow has been leaked
Mumble mumble mumble, 2nd wave, mumble, nhs, mumble mumble, 500k deaths, mumble mumble, Christmas, mumble mumble, Spain, mumble mumble, curfew, mumble mumble support bubble only mumble. Leaves.
Nobody knows what the fuck he has said. Some legislation comes out some point between now and October that is completely unenforceable. Every sane person ignores it like they have the other ones that have come out.
Contract tasting.
i was with him till he mumbled
talking tough by shutting the pubs at 10pm? A lot of places I frequent like Earls Court have no places open after 10PM. Also most craft beer/micropubs shut at 10 anyway.
To be fair to Statler and Waldorf, I think they said something along the lines of whilst it [the graph] was not a prediction, it was a hypothesis. It seems reasonable usage to me, even if it was a bullshit hypothesis.
extrapolating trends into the future is a mugs game
Even worse when they are not extrapolating any trends but making up their own. There is no evidence of cases doubling every week, least of all on their own graph – it all has really lost any semblence of sanity.
Let’s be generous and say it was a worst case scenario. It MAY be justified to introduce that into a meeting with politicians when thinking about future plans, but it has to be taken into account in conjunction with the cost side, and how likely the scenario is vs other possible scenarios. Lots of nuance there.
But no, go on national TV as the scientific voice of the nation, and of truth, and say this could happen, they KNEW VERY WELL what the headlines would be. It was deliberate. They deserve no credit, and much opprobrium.
That is semantics at this point
In my view the graph (to-the-moon) was realeased purposefully. It is the medias take home message. They could of wafted a limb about to describe the vague terms the graph illustrated. The psychology of any graph scares large numbers of people..red bars too, did you see? Carefully delivered for behavioural response. Just like the stupid grey wall with coat of arms behind them.
Planned imo.
Upticked you though because your opinion is valid as mine.
This is the graph they *should* have shown: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1308071748072550400
Johnson’s warm up act to justify whatever fresh idiocy he comes out with tomorrow.Curfew,circuit breaker lockdowns.You can meet 6 others but not on a Tuesday after 12 and all day Sunday.
Even Dr Hilary Jones is against another lockdown and he’s a wrong un that is on ‘the list’
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1308061404864352257?s=20
Great that he said that. Just need to pick Hilary up on one point, he says the infections rose when we came out of lockdown and that’s incorrect.
I wrote this for a song with my band at the time approx 5 years ago…….The more i read it again, the more I can’t help that i might have been onto something
Dead Culture
Roll back your shoulders, stand up straight,
The only way to beat it; is to let go of your hate.
Pull yourself together; fix your stare ahead,
Don’t be afraid, it’s all in your head.
Success or failure, are much the same here.
So few people living while most keep on dying.
Some people dance and some people pray.
Is it just black and white or is it all shades of grey?
I go back to a time I can hardly remember now.
Back to a time when my people stood tall and proud.
The power that we had is forgotten in memory.
They’re killing off our culture by perverting its history.
The spectre of defeat lurks boldly in your eyes.
I see the same fear that would break the back of me.
Giving off the air of positive uncertainty.
I see the same fear that would take the heart of me.
So far beyond, your glazed over eyes,
There’s a storm that rages, from another time.
Reset the crosshairs; start aiming for the bullseye,
Turn your back on that life, because you cannot comply.
What’s the matter with the picture we see today?
What’s the matter with the stories we hear today?
Standing by and watching a dying creature.
My life was racing by waiting for the future.
Fanatics all around are trying for destruction.
Will there be a resurrection of this dead culture?
Lines get drawn and so, condemning voices grow;
To cut the ties that bind, that stood up to the test of time.
Sold on blatant lies, to please the ones that hide;
The master of the game, the men that have no name.
What’s the matter with the picture you see today?
Are we the only ones that are holding it all at bay?
what makes you protest… Jeff Wyatt – 21st Sept 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drrmvwgZsRo
Anna Brees
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https://twitter.com/ianbrown/status/1308070253226848257?s=20
The anti Ian Brown people are some of the most pathetic ill informed weasels i’ve read in a long fucking time. They all post like he’s very dumb and they’re super smart and virtuous . I despair at how easily manipulated these wank-stains are.
Well said. It is the oh so much cleverer that you Blue Peter classes that continue to run the show. Absolute weapons of the highest order.
Thankfully if you can rely on anyone to not apologise or back down, it’s Ian Brown.
More protests, this time in Israel, not being reported in the MSM here:
https://www.activistpost.com/2020/09/trying-to-break-us-down-mass-protests-hit-israel-as-2nd-nationwide-lockdown-takes-effect.html
Almost like except for “Trump bad” or “Spain/France doomed, mass deaths” there is nowhere else in the world that exists.
Gupta interview live on Sky now
The chief whip has obviously run the numbers and there’s a bit of a flap on!
‘Every six months, a minister must, ‘as far as practicable’ make arrangements for MPs to vote to keep the provisions of the Act in force. If MPs are able to vote and vote to stop against keeping the provisions of the Act in force, the government must make regulations to prevent provisions having effect within 21 days.’
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/coronavirus-act
‘The precise deadline for the vote on the provisions of the Coronavirus Act depends on whether the House of Commons is in recess for the party conferences. The vote must be held within seven sitting days of six months after the Act received Royal Assent. This will fall in either September or October 2020.’
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/legislation-manage-coronavirus-pandemic
What a way to run a country……..
An immediate independent public inquiry is required forthwith…….but, of course, that is another reason for a confected ‘crisis’.
That’s them raised the threat level from 3 to 4. Not sure how much more of this bollocks I can take.
Looking at the original charts, we’d seem to be at level 2 – “present in the UK, but numbers and levels of transmission are low”. Even if we were at 4, the “treatment” is “social distancing continues”. Not threats of a lockdown.
George Galloway has started a campaign for a vote of no confidence in the SNP Scottish Government. Extraordinary at a time when Sturgeon has had months of daily corona pulpit airtime.
From https://www.change.org/p/petition-vote-of-no-confidence-in-nicola-sturgeon-and-the-scottish-government-resignsturgeon?recruiter=1025734178&recruited_by_id=17120e90-19f6-11ea-b32f-711b7634a14c
“Be it literally ruining the futures of our children in the SQA results scandal, slandering Douglas Ross and claiming he is a ‘racist’, lying over secret meetings with Alex Salmond, the Coronavirus care homes scandal, the cover-up over the Coronavirus outbreak at Nike, the drug death scandal, the Hate Crime bill, the Derek MacKay scandal or the complete silence on racist nationalists at the border calling for England to ‘get out of Scotland’.”
Two interesting headlines in DM
Tory MPs rebel over threatened new lock-down after rumours emerge Boris will shut pubs at 10pm – as serious questions are raised over Whitty and Vallance’s doomsday claim that deaths could hit 200 a day by November
Do Whitty and Vallance’s numbers add up? Advisers claimed Britain is on course to follow French and Spanish trajectories but NEITHER country is showing cases doubling each week like they warned for the UK.
*******
Question from listener to Hitchins on his radio interview why the graphs showed by Whitty and Valance today only start in the summer (low death rates) and not during the lockdown (High death rates)
Good observation. Of course – the answer is obvious, and plain to see by anyone who understands data and its portrayal … Whitty is a dishonest con-artist.
That photo on Simon Dolan’s Twitter today shows that Whitty is running the government – the body language is very clear. Boris looks like he is receiving orders from him..
“Do Whitty and Vallance’s numbers add up?”
Our host and others are slaughtering That Graph (the non-prediction that was immediately reported, of course, as a prediction of what WILL happen if we don’t all panic at once) on Twitter.
Toby:
If Whitty and Vallance had taken questions, I hope someone would have asked them what the projected number of cases would be on 13th Oct if you discount the 91% of “cases” that are false positives. I make it 4,410.
https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1307993055140761601
Huw Osmond
If there was a crime based on grievous abuse of mathematics, then this graph would result in life imprisonment at least. No sign whatsoever of exponential growth in the blue bars.
https://twitter.com/hughosmond/status/1307991558273236997
I wish people would start asking incisive questions like “what is the operational specificity / sensitivity of the PCR tests?”. Then when Hancock says he doesn’t know, we know conclusively that he has no idea how many false positives there are.
And then go harder “So what you’re saying is that they could all be false positives… and you’d have no idea?”.
I think journalism has become far too generous, as if they’re trying to be sympathetic and gentle because it’s a crisis. It doesn’t help anyone.
(I don’t think they are all false positives of course, but I think it should at least be presented as a possible worst case)
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/21/farage-say-no-second-national-lockdown-reject-boris-johnsons-elective-dictatorship/
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/21/boris-goes-full-fascist-against-lockdown-protests-but-not-blm-or-xr/
Farage and Delingpole are not impressed
well that makes 60 odd million of us….
Closing pubs 1 hour early is just window dressing. What possible purpose does that serve.
great excuse to go to the pub an hour or two earlier
Instead of some people leaving the pub at 10 and others at 11, everyone gets to leave at the same time and fight over taxis
As a taxi diver I can assure you no one will be fighting over taxis.This crisis has destroyed the trade and you can have your pick
last orders 9.45PM
Obviously, it protects the vulnerable. My parents, in their eighties, regularly stumble out of the pub at closing time. Before lockdown, they’d obviously simply have moved on to a nightclub, but those have been closed since March. That’s probably the reason they are still alive now – saved by lockdown!
No purpose at all; it just shows that all this has no basis but exercising control.
These bastards should never be forgiven, whether politicians or pseudo-scientists.
It’s because the people who run this shit show have never been to a pub in their lives because they are too scared of who they might meet.
They have probably never been properly drunk or hammered on anything other than houmus.
They think we are all just yobbish idiots who can’t be trusted and we need to be told what to do and punished with stupid punative bullshit just to be seen to be doing the right thing.
I absolutely hate these people. My list of people to hate with a fucking passion.
The young woman I saw in the chip shop tonight with her fuckin flowery face-nappy or the young dude of about 20 with his cammo one walking down the road, or the fuckers I saw walking down the canal tow path out in the countryside “doing IT” or the young Japanese?/Asian couple I saw outside a pub with their blue face gags, or the female employee in Llloyds bank with hers on, telling me AGAIN that I can pay cheques in via the fucking machine.
Especially for her, enjoy the food bank experience you muppet, I am sure they do face napies in there too, you absolute twat.
I fucking hate these people.
Seriously, fuck them.
I have had 3 bottles of Spitfire tonight before tea time, I am fucking seething.
Yes, part of the problem is that the cunts calling the shots are weirdos who don’t know what it is to be alive. My plumber is sounding more on the money every day – reptiles, not humans.
It’s making me mad to see how the UK government are treating their citizens like children, whilst Anders Tegnell is treating his fellow Swedes with resect..
I feel exactly the same two-six.I am so angry I am in a strange calmness,I know that sounds weird but that’s how it feels,I have reached the end of my tether now,I need to do something,I just don’t know what.
I also hate every last twat that has happily aided and abetted the destruction of our lives,from the smug bastards in their personalised masks to the jumped up morons in shops barking orders at customers who have no realisation who actually pays for their wages and everyone else prolonging the madness simply by ‘going along with it for a quiet life’.
Also,the next person who makes a vile comment to my wife in a shop because she has the sense,sanity and brain of her own and doesn’t wear a face nappy,is probably going to need the use of an ambulance if I hear them.The abuse she received today makes it about twenty times some arsehole has said something.
To those that are brave enough to abuse a 5ft 6 middle aged woman how about you discuss it with me instead,a 6ft 1 well-built bloke ?,no ?,I thought not,you vile,vile cowards.
Going anywhere near covid saftey hell makes me tremble with RAGE every time. If somebody says something to me or mrs 2-6 I will probably rip their head off.
Going anywhere near covid safety hell makes me tremble with RAGE every time. If somebody says something to me or Mrs 2-6 I will probably rip their head off.
I have a cunning plan to counter this: I will just get to the pub an hour earlier. In fact I can move my whole day an hour earlier.
Problem solved.
Well, we are at LEVEL 4 now!
(I made the mistake of listening to the BBC radio news, – wall to wall coronavirus crisis.)
For anyone who is having trouble coping, you may think I am mad but- the astrology throughout this year has been astonishingly accurate.
The next month will be unpleasant – lockdown – but things will change just before Christmas – there will be a fresh start.
So, it will not go on for ever, hold on and keep going.
This always cheers me up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fII1zsQeTTY&ab_channel=THEREFIXSHOW
That has cheered me up too!
Interesting!
thanks for that.
I keep saying it…..there are other forces at work in this world other than dark ones.
Always.
I do hope so.
Another contributor provided some links to articles in this area earlier today which I enjoyed reading.
Well astrology is at least as accurate as the shit predictions of Whitty & Co.
And with respect to Kate, probably more scientific too.
I’m back. Couldn’t stay away for long! And I am fecking pissed off. How can they keep claiming that the epidemic is doubling every 7 days, when all it takes is a calculator and 5 mins to work out this is a lie? Why are journalists just repeating this bull shit? There is certainly a wave coming. Not of the virus, but of dissent. It started as a trickle, but more and more are putting their heads above the parapet. It may not seem like it, but we are winning. Everyone keep taking your small actions – speaking to friends and families, posting comments, sharing links. The masses are stirring. Let’s keep going.
Journalists today were brought up on modern edukayshun which regards maths as an imperialist construct.
That’s not the problem. It’s the privilege in the system that allows idiots like Boris and mates in the journo profession,, bred through the public school system and Oxbridge to secure places far above their ability.
I’m not enamoured of simplistic ideas of meritocracy – but a system derived to achieve the opposite is just as bad in providing silver spoons to the dimwits.
The lefts destruction of the grammar school system has a lot of blame in this
MPs are starting to buckle under the weight of their post bags. Heneghan and Gupta are getting air time on MSM. Dissenting views are becoming more obvious. The CMO and CSA have cooked their turkey.
I hope you’re right TT. I feel it and hear it around me. Friends who were borderline or even committed believers are becoming sceptical. I now know nobody (except my sister – I don’t talk to her more than I have to) who buys in, but I wonder if I’m living in a bubble.
That’s my experience. People who were uninterested a few days ago are now receptive.
Unless a miraculous surge in covid19 appears or can be manufactured, it won’t be long before it will be impossible to find anyone who really supported the nonsense.
Sadly those who are full on fear believers I think will be even more frightened now.
Whilst those who are slightly sceptic may be pushed to become full on Tarzan sceptics.
But the wind is now in the sceptics’ sails, until and unless there is a real surge in real covid effects.
There will be, but not to the level claimed today. Or even anywhere near.
I’m afraid so. And in case you believe I’m being flippant, sadly this includes my own parents.
But it does no good to be a sceptic/rebel if you are locked into your home and forced to submit to all sorts of craziness, rules and tracking just to buy food or even meet another human outside your family..
What it means I think is that the free ride is over for the coronapanickers. They can continue to push their agendas but now they will face real pushback at the highest levels.
Hence why Tobias Ellwood wants the army involved
I don’t think it will be like that this time around. They want to keep workplaces and schools open. A sort of Sweden-lite method.
No you are not, they are! My boys spotted the mood change on social media last week. Me and Mr TT were in local supermarket on Saturday and struck up a conversation with a lady in the queue who apologised for standing too close to us. We ended up having a great conversation about all things science, and the issues around the vaccine. I made a point of talking loudly about false positives when I walked through town with son 1 this morning.
It will reach a crescendo in the next few weeks. The end is in sight, in my view, after a ‘credit event’, which I think is baked in for mid October. In the end, the economy will force the government’s hand.
Yes my kids said the same – no one is happy
They know they have been blamed for the ‘spike’ and bearing in mind they are going to be paying for the response in taxes, lost opportunities and worse, they want to get on with their lives.
Yes! I think this was an own goal by Hancock when he said that. My parents mentioned that, and I just asked if they wanted to stop seeing their grandchildren if they were so concerned?
The tide started to turn a bit ago, though it was slow. Sceptical comments to articles in the Press (except those from me and a few others of course, which have been sceptical since March) began appearing about the time masks were mandated in Scotland. And the tide has been turning ever since. It’s now flooding our way.
The tide is turning, and the wind is changing, and…lots of other metaphors for things looking up.
I must down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
All I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the seagulls crying.
Masefield
And before some wag jumps in:
I must go down to the sea again,
To the lonely sea and sky;
I left my shoes and socks there –
I wonder if they’re dry?
Spike Milligan
For those science type readers out there found this video from the Government Chemist about quantitive PCR test assay validation:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/an-introduction-to-quantitative-pcr-assay-validation
I get the ridiculous impression that this is how the private test companies carrying out the tests on the population are learning their job!!
Now the government say that parents and grandparents who provide childcare will be exempt from any future lockdown measures.
Talk about “Pick and Mix”.
The Virus is getting more intelligent daily – now it knows that you are meeting to do childcare and not just visiting granny for tea and biscuits.
Well, it’s certainly more intelligent than our government, their advisers and the “experts”
That’s no recommendation.
It may be we can employ a pied piper to lure the virus over a cliff by appealing to it’s intellect through classical melodies. Suggest The Flight of a Bumble Bee or perhaps more effective would be somekind of jig.
Not classical music but “The road to nowhere” perhaps?
Problem is its not the virus that is a threat to us. If we could lure politicians and their advisers over a cliff that might help.
You wont be able to appeal to their intellect though.
Haha.,,.that did make me laugh
That would be funny if the whole situation were not so serious..
It is nonetheless worth posting widely on Twitter to once again point out the ridiculousness of all the regulations..
Kill Granny Smith as she looks after you while mummy is at work, granny jones who is safely locked away and will be fine.
Obviously the main thing is that neither granny should, under any circumstances, be allowed to decide for herself.
And people are still falling for this rubbish!? They are most definitely putting something in the tap water..
Some people are petrified that they will die, if they have to into hospital.
blame the psyop, not the water.
Possibly worth a bit of reading on fluoride …
The flap is extremely localised. At first sight, it appears that, once again, the most vulnerable have not been protected. But the result would most likely have been the same no matter which common cold virus……?
‘A third of those who died with diagnosed or suspected COVID-19 in English hospitals did so at Tameside and Glossop Integrated Care Foundation Trust in the seven days to 10 September.
The Greater Manchester Trust has seen a significant rise in COVID-19 deaths, from a weekly total of five on 4 September to 18 six days later. The total number of COVID-19 hospital deaths in the seven days to 10 September across England was 54.
COVID-19 deaths at Tameside and Glossop had fallen to a weekly total of zero on 23 July, before beginning to climb steadily from 20 August. The last time the trust recorded 18 deaths in a seven-day period was in late April when the pandemic was still close to its first peak.
The highest seven day figure recorded by the trust was 28, meaning the 10 September figure is equivalent to 64% of its peak covid-19 mortality. Nationally, hospital deaths with the virus are running at less than 1 per cent of the early-April peak.
No other trust recorded more than three covid-19 deaths during the seven days to 10 September.’
https://www.pslhub.org/blogs/entry/1318-single-trust-accounts-for-one-in-three-covid-hospital-deaths/
‘Nationally, Tameside is 34th out of 326 most deprived local authority. It has the highest premature death rate for heart disease in England. In adults, the recorded diabetes prevalence, excess weight and drug and alcohol misuse are significantly worse than the England average. Rates of smoking related deaths and hospital admissions for alcohol harm are significantly higher than the England average. Healthy life expectancy for males is 57.7 years compared with the national average of 63.4 years; for women the healthy life expectancy is 58.3 years against a national average of 64 years. The population is predominantly white British (91%).’
https://www.cqc.org.uk/sites/default/files/new_reports/AAAJ4091.pdf
As was the case back in March, hospitals and care homes. A nosocomial disease.
But life expectancy for uk men is c79 years; women c82 years. So why believe any of the figures?
‘Healthy Life Expectancy’
‘The latest data on healthy life expectancy (the number of years lived in self-assessed good health) (2013 to 2015) show that it is now 63.4 for males and 64.1 for females.’
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-profile-for-england/chapter-1-life-expectancy-and-healthy-life-expectancy
Labour MP on TalkRADIO, “we are trying to save lives here”. Ask him home many people are dying directly of cv19.
EXACTLY.
Labour MP on TalkRADIO, “we are trying to save lives here”.
Not the ones dying because of resources diverted to chasing covid19 phantoms back and forth, nor the ones committing suicide because their businesses, jobs or lives have been wrecked by lockdowns, obviously.
That was his response when the presenter asked about failing business and the economy, which of course leads to deaths.
no – we are trying to save lives here.
Let me understand this…… is Whitty saying that an additional 200 people a day might die over and above the 1,700 that die each day normally?
Or is he saying: of the 1,700 that die daily 200 will die of/with Covid?
At the moment fewer people than usual are dying which apparently makes us very worried that it might go back up to the normal rate!
If it’s the latter does it matter? Shouldn’t we only be moved by additional deaths not by the same number? Is he saying, we’ll destroy livelihoods, let people die of cancer/heart attacks whatever, get depressed, do all sorts of harm so that a different set of people die rather than the ones who might die of covid?
Am I being a bit dim here?
You are spot on and I was wondering the same. If you a very old, frail person and unfortunately your lungs cannot cope with another winter, what’s the difference between dying of flu, pneumonia or covid ? NONE.
Not being dim other than, without wishing to offend, assuming there’s any logic. It’s all utter propaganda – as no-one is questioning them, they are not presenting logically thought-through, coherent, defensible positions. Just plucking figures out of the air that support their agenda.
I didn’t watch the Whitty/Vallance show, but on the headline of 50,000 ‘cases’, are these the ‘cases’ that scale with the number of tests done? Are they extrapolating from a trend that is controlled by number of tests done, and then predicting a trend that will be influenced by number of tests done?
Great question!
they didn’t take questions which make them look very dodgy
No effort required on their part to look dodgy!
Very dodgy. The definition of ruling by diktat.
Today has just been out-and-out lying. There is no other way to describe it.
As Simon Dolan says, it is a fraud: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1308093123688566784
Agree.
King Crimson? Apparently very influential with Tim Smith (RIP) of The Cardiacs.
I hadn’t known that he’d died until I read your comment
“Is this the life” from Salisbury Arts Centre is one of my favourite music videos on youtube.
that doesn’t surprise me-I was lucky enough to see the Cardiacs live twice
I saw them many times, every gig, the most amazing spectacle, the loudest and best band live EVER. Just awesome.
Yes he died about a month ago.
About 10 years ago he had a terrible heart attack and then multiple strokes that left him very disabled.
Apparently he was at a My Bloody Valentine gig, the loudest band ever and he blew a fuze.
Poor guy, a great loss, he was a genius.
Good conversation from Ireland.
John Waters in interesting conversation with Computing Forever. A discussion about where we are at this point in the lockdowns and how we got here etc
https://youtu.be/RbTTkQz6qQI
Depressing to see the comments on
Guardian sceptic(ish) Simon Jenkins’s latest effort. Diametrical opposite of comments on any Daily Mail or Telegraph equivalent.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/21/coronavirus-britain-vallance-whitty-fear-data-alarm
Just the usual from the Guardian luvvies they are more worried about track and trace than the devastation of this virus on so many levels. Why can’t lefties think critically?
I’m a leftie, that’s why I stopped reading the Guardian years ago.
If you are a hardened Guardianista you will have been fed a diet of pure panic propaganda, between that and the BBC. At least the DM and DT have had a mix of some propaganda and (quite a lot, actually) of sceptical stuff, and a lot of it very good.
In any free speech situation where both sides are reasonably freely presented, the sceptical view on this wins hands down. Which is of course precisely why the coronapanic has had to be protected by so much censorship.
To be honest I was amazed to see such an article in the Guardian and there are a significant minority of sceptical comments. It’s not too bad overall!
I would imagine that large numbers of people who do read that are probably public sector workers. So the ramifications of what they push are largely lost on them.
LBC have someone on pushing masks.
i could swear
Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio pushed hard for masks in the two week lead up to 24th July when they became mandatory. Now she’s whining about more of our freedoms disappearing when she’s partly responsible for them being stolen.
Yes her views on masks are still unfortunate. But she has made more effort to hold ministers to account of late than anyone else I can think of in the media and she skewered Shapps over FPR this morning. I’m certainly glad to have her in our corner right now.
I agree. She’s on board now after an unfortunate bed wetting phase early on.
OK to change your mind if there’s logical reasoning gone into it – for example, even Dr. Yeadon admits he was quite strongly in favour of lots of things done lockdown #1;… don’t always agree with JHB 101% on everything but overall think she’s a good egg.
Julia HB has always been a twat of monumental proportions. Fuck her too.
Strange, she always speaks highly of you…
OOh that hit a never or two..
With her stupid blue hair highlights
changing your thinking is how science works
“When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” J M Keynes.
Better she changes her mind and changes side than realise she’s wrong and double-down. Like the government does.
She says she still wears one and is far too supportive of this measure for my linking!
Regardless of the agonies yet to come, can anyone doubt that the social, political and economic damage inflicted during the last 6 months is already irreparable? Is there any coming back from any of this?
today I feel very doomed!
Popeye’ll be along anytime now …
I agree. Certainly no chance of recovery within a generation in my view. Just seems to be a question of how much deeper they will dig the hole.
Me feelings exactly. In all probability we will not see an end to this in our lifetimes. It could take 100 years to restore a reasonable level of humanity.
The education lost to the young will never be recovered. Remember two weeks off on holiday was apparently devastating to kids prior to this.
We’ll be paying for this for decades due to hysteresis and path dependency. We need the young back in education, training and back at work improving their skills.
“Remember two weeks off on holiday was apparently devastating to kids prior to this.”
Exactly. Pure hysteria and hypocrisy at work in aid of command and control – in both cases.
Makes me want to puke.
Just one unauthorised day off school was enough to get parents a telling off.
Only daft parents – “Our Johnny was absent due to an upset tummy and diarrhea”.
Until we excise the extreme corruption in our government and institutions there is only poverty and dystopia ahead.
We do live in a time of extraordinary potential and if we could just get that jack boot off our necks we might be looking forward to a new golden age.
You might be right. I do hope so.
Yes. I look at post-war Germany and Japan, which gives me some hope. But that jackboot must go; the country needs a vision (missing for many years) and proper leadership (also missing for many years) from the political class.
We will do the rest.
Eventually. Best case a few years, worst case many decades.
They have spent 6 months telling us that it won’t. Welcome to the new normal was the refrain. Unfortunately I have to believe them.
Yes, it will come back. But at huge cost to those who set up their own businesses and tried to live their own way. I noticed a sign in a shop window recently in Hoole, Chester: “Buy local and fund somebody’s dream, not somebody’s new yacht.” It left an impression of the humanity behind the statistics.
What’s the general view on flu jabs this year?
Last year I was under quite a bit of pressure (due to work) to have one and was carefully considering it however didn’t bother in the end. This year I expect that pressure to be tenfold. However if it means I don’t get flu and get put down as a Covid statistic, I don’t mind it. I’ve never had a flu and am a relatively young 38 btw.
Just wondering what the prevailing view (if any) amongst the sensible heads on here was?
Nothing wrong with the flu jab. I have one every year because I don’t want the flu, even though I have to pay for it.
If somebody else is paying then it’s a no brainer. Get it done.
We’re far too nonchalant about flu. It’s a nasty disease that can leave you in a bad way. My mother spent three night in intensive care and three weeks in hospital due to it last time it did the rounds and now is on permanent anti-seizure tablets.
Yes – flu’s vary – but I wouldn’t wish a bad dose on anyone.
The important thing about this is that it highlights what a total load of bollocks is the fuss over Covid – a much lower incidence, relatively moderate, virus
On balance, ‘flu jabs may have some – but not massive – benefit. There doesn’t seem to be a high degree of risk associated. I’ve usually had one, and have never had side effects.
But the protection is often lower than thought – at 60% in some cases.
The other issue is any Covid vaccine that miraculously appears. Without at least two years of testing, I would avoid that like the plague.
RickH – absolutely, that goes without saying. The Covid vaccine will be avoided like…well… the plague.
Thanks for your responses.
Convo with people that actually make vaccines rather than flog them says we’ll be lucky to see one for Covid that is truly effective inside four years.
truly effective and widespread availability? Even longer. The QC on a vaccine is very high & rigorous. Over 100 checks in the process. Try scaling that up at speed.
They won’t bother testing it, if they could get a deal with Barry Scott, they would inject us Cillit Bang.
The evil evil evil bastards.
Not sure how this ties in with the flu jab being different every year ?
Which is the reason for the moonshot project and immunity passport, whose real aim is mass surveillance and control.. They are playing the long game here…
Well last year’s didn’t help, I had the early version of CV over Christmas…
I am waiting to see if my surgery contact me, clearly their usual drop in clinics won’t be running this year and it may turn out to be more trouble than it is worth.
This from the docs4opendebate open letter:
Survey studies on influenza vaccinations show that in 10 years we have only succeeded three times in developing a vaccine with an efficiency rate of more than 50%. Vaccinating our elderly appears to be inefficient. Over 75 years of age, the efficacy is almost non-existent
I doubt the British flu jab is any different.
Actually 50% is the highest efficacy if I recall and in 2017/18 15% .
The Cochrane reviews on the effectiveness and safety of flu vaccinations are cited by many.
https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-three-updated-cochrane-reviews-assessing-effectiveness-influenza-vaccines
Summary from the adult one below. Text in bold (by me) says it all.
I’ve never had a flu jab and never will. Vaccines should only be used for the really deadly stuff.
Hi AN other lockdown sceptic. I also just cited Cochrane. Great minds think alike!
I hadn’t delved in the vaccine swamp before all this. It stinks!
Absolutement.
If you want a deeper dive in one video, try here:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtN0PMJOOjM&list=WL&index=128&ab_channel=AmazingDiscoveries
Your summary is far better than mine.
Very low risk unless you’re allergic to eggs.it may give you mild symptoms for a couple of days (always gives me a headache then a mild cold). Effectiveness depends on whether they get the right strains in the vaccine and that is based on what is happening in the southern hemisphere right now. Flu is a serious illness in all ages. Interestingly the vaccination doesn’t seem to improve the hospitalisation and mortality stats for over 65s, even though they are the main target for the jab. An alternative or supplementary strategy would be to take daily vit D and zinc in the winter, as advised by PHE.
Yep, take vitamin D at the very least!
Last year the effectiveness of the flu jab was 17%.
Does the Flu Shot Increase COVID-19 Risk (YES!) and Other Interesting Questionshttps://doctormurray.com/does-the-flu-shot-increase-covid-19-risk/
The best is to optimise you immune system. Optimise vitamin D levels, proper nutrition, good hydration, reduce stress, move/exercise, etc
Reduce stress????????
Yes, this ^^^^^^
The renowned Cochrane Independent Review Group did a huge meta analysis of influenza vaccine trials and concluded that:-
“We found 52 clinical trials of over 80,000 adults. We were unable to determine the impact of bias on about 70% of the included studies due to insufficient reporting of details. Around 15% of the included studies were well designed and conducted. We focused on reporting of results from 25 studies that looked at inactivated vaccines. Injected influenza vaccines probably have a small protective effect against influenza and ILI (moderate-certainty evidence), as 71 people would need to be vaccinated to avoid one influenza case, and 29 would need to be vaccinated to avoid one case of ILI. Vaccination may have little or no appreciable effect on hospitalisations (low-certainty evidence) or number of working days lost.”
https://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI_vaccines-prevent-influenza-healthy-adults
I am not aware of any research undertaken to assess whether there may be vaccine interference or cross-reactivity between a seasonal influenza vaccine and a subsequently received Sars-CoV 2 vaccine. There certainly hasn’t been any clinical trials.
About Cochrane:-
“Cochrane is for anyone interested in using high-quality information to make health decisions. Whether you are a doctor or nurse, patient or carer, researcher or funder, Cochrane evidence provides a powerful tool to enhance your healthcare knowledge and decision making.
Cochrane’s members and supporters come from more than 130 countries, worldwide. Our volunteers and contributors are researchers, health professionals, patients, carers, and people passionate about improving health outcomes for everyone, everywhere. Our global independent network gathers and summarizes the best evidence from research to help you make informed choices about treatment and we have been doing this for 25 years.
We do not accept commercial or conflicted funding. This is vital for us to generate authoritative and reliable information, working freely, unconstrained by commercial and financial interests.
Our Strategy to 2020 aims to put Cochrane evidence at the heart of health decision-making all over the world.”
I had a fairly serious autoimmune episode more than a decade ago, since then have been in full remission and better health than before. Have shied away from flu vaccine on the basis that poking around my immune system without a compelling reason is tempting fate, given that I have really hardly been ill since the episode. No idea if I am doing the right thing or not.
You are doing the right thing by not getting the flu vaccine. I have an overactive immune system and I won’t take any vaccine that could exacerbate it, and in your case there’s a chance a vaccine could re-activate your autoimmune issue.
My company offers a free flu jab to all employees, but it is entirely voluntary. And is this year too.
The cynic in me says they will ‘spike’ this year’s flu jab with something ‘nasty’, knowing that a lot of people won’t take the ‘real’ covid vaccine..
I emailed Layla Moran MP to ask her to vote against renewal of the Coronavirus Act. This is her response:
“Leader of the Liberal Democrats, Sir Ed Davey MP, has now written to the Prime Minister before this vote reaches the House of Commons to ask him to convene cross-party talks to agree new legislation that is better-suited to tackle the ongoing coronavirus crisis”
FFS! We don’t need a bunch of bedwetters getting together to cobble up some nonsense to treat this as though it’s some real emergency, when it isn’t.
Just get rid of the coronapanic nonsense legislation and go back to normal arrangements for handling the business of government. That’s all that’s needed.
Well – at least it’s a coherent reply. How long after sending your e-mail?
About a week.
From the party that gave up being neither liberal nor fans of democracy a long long time ago.
They have occasional and, in context, shocking flashes of real liberalism.
Yes, surprisingly good response – I’m quite shocked!
Surprisingly good response – I’m quite shocked!
Me too!
My parents are fans of hers and as bored 80 somethings will probably like her position…
My scribble to the ginger wankpuffin
Tim Martin (Mr Wetherspoons) is a ‘fan of the Swedish approach’
https://youtu.be/9qhPN-ByuY8?t=76
Wonder if he’d want to get together with Dolan, Hugh Osmond, Luke Johnson and maybe Rocco Forte to fund a resistance campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6bkQuHr0rk
I’ve managed to keep pro-lockdown friends, and even they are baulking at the thought of another lockdown. Acquiescence and support is indeed draining away. People have had enough.
Same here. Even some of the biggest zealots now occasionally mumble something about freedoms and government by diktat. However they don’t seem to have quite realised that consenting to the first lockdown has paved the way for exactly that.
I’ll give most the benefit of the doubt. Three weeks often feels like six months.
Couldn’t bear to listen to Hancock’s answer to that; as soon as he began ‘As a conservative..,’ I had to switch him off…
Could feel the bile rising myself…
The Covid second wave, with exponential rise in deaths are the WMDs of 2020. All the experts are convinced they exist, but nobody has actually seen them.
100%
Remember the levels of death and destruction that occurred in Iraq as a direct result of those lies (not to mention the years of brutal sanctions that preceded it). We are getting a taste of that very medicine now.
Yes, It’s OUR turn now for the cabal to wage war on. Iraq, Syria, Libya, the Ukraine, now it’s turned on US, the Crown Estates and the the Americas. At least they haven’t started using real weapons on us…..yet.
It’s JUST A FACE NAPPY.
Yes, we let our governments get away with murder in our name time and again. Did we really think they would leave us alone?
I bet Johnson would enjoy ordering B52 strikes on areas with increasing cases. In economic terms, he already is.
True, western governments are psychopathic. It is just that they have hitherto focused on other people
hmmmm. I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Not using real weapons on us yet
Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars
https://lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml
This is another source document a lot of researchers turn to when referencing ‘the agenda’. It has been ‘debunked’ …….apparently!
Makes interesting reading in today’s context!
https://www.corbettreport.com/covid911/
You jest but this is correct. National Security has become Bio Security. The same people (e.g. Rumsfeld) moved into the private sphere where they have been gearing up for this for years. Some of the clips used in this short podcast are truly frightening
I see that easements in family childcare arrangements are carefully presented to emphasise that there should be no opportunities for children to enjoy themselves in any way ie no parties or play dates. This Government really is the most vile imaginable.
kids sports clubs starting to cancel this weekend…… utterly gut wrenching. Not to mention the fun things that kids already planning for like halloween……
think positive Olive – in a few years time the kids will be wearing hancock or boris masks on Halloween….
And burning effigies of them on bonfire night.
Every night.
And burning a Boris on 5th November, or whatever date replaces it.
yes, 2020
I think we should start this year, burning effigies of Boris, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance..!!!
Only effigies? With no country shows this year I’m missing a hog roast, I think there’d be plenty of crackling on Boris! Not so sure about the others, probably best for kindling.
Oh no, you’d be a walking coronary waiting to happen if you had a bit o’Boris.
McDonalds would be much healthier.
Last halloween I was honestly very disturbed by the way that all the staff in Tescos (and everywhere else) were dressed in the most horrific costumes, fake blood, surgical gowns, wounds, I found it to be very very disturbing.
Fuck Haloween.
We don’t need it, its all around us now every fucking day. Halloween and the glorification of it plays right into the plans of the Satanist cabal the runs our lives. Its an important RED letter day in their satanic calendar.
The glorification of evil, ghouls , death, withcraft, murder, injury, suffering, horror, all for the kiddies.
Evil.
At least Whitty and Vallance have nailed their colours to the mast (or do I mean mask?).
It is now possible to scrutinze their assumptions.
E.g. 50,000 cases by mid Oct. – 200 deaths a month later.
The highest number of daily cases so far was 7,860 on April 10th.
The highest number of deaths1,166 followed elven days later – never mind a month later.
They appear to implicitly recognise that what are now termed ‘cases’ bain’t be the same as what were termed cases back in April – or 50,000 ‘cases’ would surely give rise to something like 7000 deaths going on what happened in April.
And 200 deaths a day? Is that what they are saying would occur each day for six month? 37,000 deaths? Somewhat less than the excess deaths that occurred in the winter of 2017/18 (correct me if I’m wrong in saying that) – which no one noticed!
They can manipulate the testing to prove whatever case they want, deaths are harder but given that some people dying anyway will probably have covid they can claim those. If it doesn’t happen they will say it was because of the measures they took, if it does then it’s our fault and we need more.
Is that 200 MORE deaths than occur daily, or are all deaths, from all causes, going to be lumped together from now on to make sure they hit (or rather exceed) the target?
At the very least they will probably lump all flu deaths together with covid and call them ‘coronavirus’ deaths, hoping we are too stupid to rumble them..
Guess what peeps – reality is winning – that means we are winning – drive on!
It does feel now that the latest diktats are hitting on hard ground. Few people on various talk radio stations are saying we need more and harder restrictions, even from a few days ago I feel a shift.
I know some people have been mental distorted to such an extent that they are petrified and it is going to take a lot of care to help them get back to reality.
Unlike last time, there is more opposition to Lockdown II and now Parliament is waking up.
Tried to post this on the Spectator earlier.
Does anyone think that the government has put all the energy into getting Brexit done and overcoming the hurdles in parliament, the Supreme Court, and the civil service reluctance to leave the EU or make it as difficult as possible; and has been waging a war in clearing out the Augean stable.
As a result the Quango of SAGE has been able to use the Covid “crisis” to lever their position as the government isn’t able to use any other scientific source, I.e. they’re stuck with Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson, Michie, et al. All of which were appointed by previous governments.
Now would be the time to use the likes of Heneghan, Gupta, Sikora as an alternative SAGE (not that crazy Alternative SAGE that gets media coverage with their daft ideas!) and replace the failed, dis-proven groupthink addled bunch of halfwits currently appearing on TV usurping the role (and being allowed to!) by the elected government.
Not entirely sure what you’re driving at, sorry, but the PM and others bear the major part of the responsbility for the decisions taken initially and at every stage since they have doubled down. They are guilty as hell.
Yeah, sort of agree with the responsibility laying with them, but just thinking they got blinded and surprised and didn’t have any other body to go to for advice other that SAGE, whose members weren’t appointed by this government. Perhaps given time and not the pressure brought on by the media screaming death and destruction, they might have not followed the lockdown science paddled by the Ferguson’s of this world.
just sayin’…
Alan, if they were 13 year old school girls I’d agree but they’re the sodding government, they’re supposed to be in control. Their voters trusted them with their livelihoods. They are able to make decisions & order things as they want, they don’t even have to square it with Parliament any more.
I take it you’re not a constitutional lawyer?
No I’m not (lol), but just trying to get an idea of what causes lie behind the madness and subsequent pile-on.
Did you see the photo on Simon Dolan’s Twitter today? Looked like Boris is totally being controlled by Whitty, from the body language…
Yes a very telling photo and no mistake. Very interesting indeed, Whitty laying it down to the PM who looks like he is gonna “take a knee” or bow or something….What a shower of bastards, it was like a scene out of Downfall.
No, no-one thinks that. They are not ‘stuck’ with Vallance the Vaccine et al; they trust them or they could have got rid of them, just like all the remainer Cabinet ministers were got rid of in short order. Wish people would stop making excuses for the gang.
I know this is lazy but I really want a quick draft email to send to my MP (Lib Dem) today and I’m really pushed for time with kid and 12-week-old puppy… Could I steal something from someone please?! Am using Peter Hitchens’ very brief skeleton letter but want to add more.
Also as she is Lib Dem I would like to include Ed Davey’s recent statement against second lockdown but can’t find it anywhere…
Dear MP
I’ve noticed that you’ve not being doing your well-paid job. You haven’t held the government to account, you haven’t scrutinised its actions, in short you have not represented me. Why then do you expect to keep your seat at the next election?
Someone posted this further down, I thought it good:
“I write to you as a constituent and a lifelong Conservative voter at general elections since 1979. I write to express my opposition to the coronavirus measures and to urge you to vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act. I will not give my reasons at length, because I am sure you have encountered them before, but in summary, I believe the coronavirus measures are
I’m not asking for a rebuttal or counter-arguments. I have seen them and continue to see them everywhere, and I believe I have taken them into account. I am simply stating that I will have to find another party to vote for at the next election unless matters improve. I expect that a single-issue party will emerge and, like the Brexit Party, create an incentive for change.“
Thanks I will use this.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ed-davey-liberal-democrats-renewing-emergency-covid-powers-threatens-freedoms-654303
Thanks.
a simple letter to MPs is;
Dear lazy cunt,
When there is low prevalence of Covid19 over 90% of the PCR tests are FALSE positives. Work it out you stupid fucker.
Kind regards,
A. Realist
Can I copy that for my MP?
of course
Thanks. I think I am gonna have at least FOUR bottles of Spitfire tomorrow before lunchtime and write her a letter. The absolute bastard.
Make it pints. And Bishop’s Finger
Spitfire Ale? Like the Luftwaffe, downed all over Kent… Remember the brewer getting into trouble over his advertising!
Short, to the point, and all completely true.
That one will be my PPS.
Not convinced you’ll get much of a reply, if any.
How about:
Dear Lid Dem MP twat,
If you idiots had not renegue on your promises to bring in proportional representation, lied about dropping tuition fees and legalising cannabis and had not gone into coalition with The Evil Tories (and all the other shit you lied about) we would not be in this position we are in now with the total collapse of society, financial melt-down and a suffocatiing medico-fascist police state
How can you justify your sorry life and your myopic world view now? You fool?
I hate you.
Fuck off and die.
Yours Sincerely
A voter.
I’ll add it as a postscript.
We must defend ourselves from an arrogant and out of control regime Johnson & Hancock must not be allowed to remain in Government a minute longer
I will any single issue party set up to dismantle this . Only Dolan winnning or the Tory party clearing out root and branch BJ and his supine cabinet will end this never ending hamster wheel. They’ll study this period in history for years to come. It’ll be known as a phenomenon- like the Inquisition/ Stalin’s purges, McCarthyism etc.
Problem is, anyone they put in to replace them will carry on the charade.. don’t fancy Sunak who is ex Goldman Sachs..
Used to trust Steve Baker but he has hardly said anything for the last 6 months – Desmond Swayne has done more than Steve B..
Problem is, anyone they put in to replace them will carry on the charade.. don’t fancy Sunak who is ex Goldman Sachs..
Used to trust Steve Baker but he has hardly said anything for the last 6 months – Desmond Swayne has done more than Steve B..
Channel surfing last night, I came across an episode of “Enemy At The Door”. Life under the Nazi’s looked almost acceptable – dances, sweets, clear rules…
I think they must of had free flags too back then.
Rally each year. Book-burnings. Who needs a TV?
Can someone please explain the operation of QR codes for Track & Trace? I’ve been informed previously that iPhones have a QR reader as standard. On my Android phone I have a QR & bar code reader which I downloaded as free software about a year ago. On reading the code it translates it into text, usually a number from a bar code or a website name from a QR code. It then asks what I want to do with the result, such as writing it to a text file or looking at a website in my browser.
So, supposing I’m in a pub and read a QR code, how does the system ensure that I actually bother to go to the website? Does it assume that one’s phone is always online? Being old-fashioned I only have data or WiFi switched on when I need it, and not otherwise.
Or is it more sinister and the very act of reading the code registers your IP address somewhere?
Think you just answered your own question there my friend
You mean the last sentence? I presume the phone itself has an ID tied to the phone number. I still don’t quite understand how the data gets sent to somewhere. Why would the QR reader know my phone number? – it presumably doesn’t need to for its own operation.
Your smartphone can be accessed from a remote location and any data, information, files, etc can be looked at or accessed. Think of it as a computer rather than a phone. Hope that helps.
Might want to reconsider using one and revert to as some have suggested, an old Nokia. Either that or don’t use any of these apps and use encryption when communicating. Your data can be used against you and probably is already somewhere along the line with targeted advertising one example.
This is the whole sub-topic on it’s own.
Cheers
B
I think the QR codes will “talk” to the NHSX trac&Trace App. This app will log where you have been. Then some Muppet will give you a ring and demand that you stay in for 14 days or you will get fined £1000.
Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Why would you????
Supposing I’m a muppet who fully acquiesces in this system. Once I’ve read the QR code, is that “job done”? Or do I need to go on to the website to activate it?
On my iphone 5 I needed to get an added qr reader app, it reads qr codes then can open up a thing in my browser, I have used it once. I think you will need to have the NHSX app installed with your details and give it suitable permissions to access you bluetooth wifi contacts and GPS data. If you “send it to” your browser or the NHS app, or the NHS app will find it then you will be tracked.
Yes – I think I’ve cracked it now. The user needs to have the NHS Covid-19 app, available from http://www.covid19.nhs.uk (Don’t go there!)
So it’s possible to cheat the system by fiddling with your phone and pretending to scan the code, or actually scanning it using (say) my simple QR reader and doing nothing with the result. It’s a hi-tech equivalent of writing false information on paper.
Yes, that’s essentially what the NHS website says (the one I’ve posted below).
For me the solution is just to write down my (false) name the “old school” way. They’ll try and encourage the scanning as it’s easier for them, but always been fine to let me go for the fallback option.
I’ve no idea, but I bought a very cheap dumb phone today which has solved all such issues for me.
At this point I’m seeing everything as sinister!
And what pray do those of us do whose phones are neither smart or simply too old to download ludicrous apps?
Don’t worry – be happy!
Here is the government website explaining what venue owners are supposed to do. Each venue is assigned its own QR code. Visitors are supposed to scan the code “using the NHS COVID-19 app”. So I guess that app feeds the phone ID to the T&T database, and presumably my simple reader wouldn’t do the job. But I could pretend.
https://www.gov.uk/create-coronavirus-qr-poster
As an amusing aside, my QR reader was apparently written by someone with less than perfect command of English. When you choose the option to display a list of codes previously read, it does so and says “List readed”.
Ignore. I always do. Point your phone at the QR code (don’t activate the camera first), fiddle around with your phone for a bit as if you’re filling a form in, say “done” and carry on as normal.
Good tactic – draws less attention to yourself as a potential ‘rebel’ (if the cameras are watching you..)..
I just fill in the paperwork. Lord Lucan and J Bond are out and about quite a bit atm.
It is so transparent what is happening- I feel so enraged by how cynically we are being manipulated and treated like infantilised idiots. First, Whitty and Vallance hype up the stats without any cross examination, the lobotomised MSM then hype up talk of a full second lockdown and the docile public buys it, enter BJ into the arena tomorrow, telling us how far we’ve come (!!- we’ve barely been allowed out) , how much ‘faith he has in the great British Public’ to ‘ do the right things’ and how much he values our ‘hard won freedoms’. He will then talk about he’s wrestled with his conscience and has not opted for full LD ( but will still keep it in his armoury- to keep us cowed) but will introduce more limited restrictions- like curfew / other. And all of us will actually be grateful and the poor excuse for Tory MPs will boast how common sense has prevailed. I feel physically sick just writing this. £10k fines for not obeying self imprisonment, non wartime curfews. How have we allowed ANY of this to pass under the radar? This is not a free democratic country. Forgive the hyperbole but I can barely function in this environment.
I don’t think he will talk about how much faith he has in us any more. He will go full on dictator, tell us off and threaten us to behave or else.
An extension of the mask mandate is top of the list for me. Because science.
Like you I reached the end of my tether some time ago. A breaking point is coming very soon where I will stop caring altogether and go full-on sociopath.
Yes -muzzles in pubs & restaurants except when drinking/eating at table
An MP (Brady I think) actually tweeted today that masks should be worn at all times in pubs, with customers drinking through straws. I shit you not, you’ll find it earlier today in the comments below.
I thought Brady was one of the sane ones?
Stupid twat. If you’re drinking through a straw then there’s a hole in your mask! Really, don’t we have any intelligent MPs?
Jesus you are right https://twitter.com/GeraintDaviesMP/status/1308000837164204035
According to the environmentalists, straws were deemed to be completely unacceptable a while back. I wonder if they’ll jump on that bandwagon again!
Wasn’t Brady. Geraint somebody-or-other.
Already happening in Scotland.
That actually made me laugh and ( ironically) gave me comfort that I’m not going completely insane. Everyone I know – usually fun loving rational people who could see the humour in everything) – is now suffering from low mood, if not full on depression.
If you’re not depressed, there is something wrong with you.
No, I’m just contrary.
No, got to disagree Richard.
Agree that hugely depressing things have happened, and keep on happening. But we are responsible for our reactions, and should not indulge in depression about these things.
It’s what SPI-B would want …
As you say, totally transparent and it is obvious they think people are stupid and will be taken in by what they say… grrrr!
Well we won’t be watching ( Just as we didn’t watch the chuckle bros earlier)
Hold fast. The end is coming – for them.
Meanwhile, a week on Thursday in Sweden, gatherings of 500 will be permitted and care homes will be open for visitors as long as they wash their hands and use common sense around colds etc. And this is in a country that never banned gatherings up to 50 people, never shut it’s schools up to 16 years of age, never shut it’s shops, any of it’s shops, it’s bars, cafes hairdressers, tattoo parlours etc etc.
And to think that could have been us too if Bozo hadn’t lost his nerve.
Yes, I am hoping Tegnell holds firm and does not put us under the rules now imposed in Norway and Denmark..
I think he’ll hold his nerve. He has done so far…
Is he under pressure in Sweden to do that, Carrie?
Charlie Blue. Mr Tegnell could probably walk on water at the moment.
If our politicians tried to intervene theeir careers would be over very quick.
Delighted to hear it!!!
Not that I have heard yet… I would think that in any case, he will (as ever) be watching the stats like a hawk – remember that in 2 weeks’ time some restrictions are due to be lifted..
Tegnell is not known for making hasty decisions, unlike British politicians!
Should be getting the latest hospital stats first thing tomorrow, if they don’t release them later tonight..
But, but, people were lying dead in the streets with nobody to bury them. Surely you can’t have forgotten what a disaster befell Sweden for not locking down? Oh, wait…
Tegnell is like a boat captain. He knows not to oversteer and dick about.
Just thinking that if they bring back the NHS claps, nobody will want to do it at 8pm in the cold and wet. They’ll have to have them in the day over the weekend. Would be interesting to see how many do it again, I suspect much less.
Nanny since the last time we clapped for the NHS with grandad Jonnie, now he is dead because of undiagnosed cancer can we clap for the NHS with with?
I assume they would draw the line at trying that again. If they do there’ll be some arguments in the streets, that’s for sure.
I prefer Boo for Boris
Every day.
Saucepans welcome
Coronavirus outbreak identified amongst staff at NHS 24 call centre in Edinburgh
Local news reports.
Fuck me, so you can catch Covid-19 over the phone now.
Never mind, just use the Power Of The Mask.
With the articles circulating about how English speakers spread aerosols more than any other language, perhaps we will be required to wear masks whenever we talk.
I feel sorry for influenzas viruses – they are simply getting ignored
Literally
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/flu-hospitalisation-numbers-drop-dramatically-in-line-lockdown-measures-year
Wasn’t there a T&T contact in Lanarkshire also responsible for an outbreak?
Clever cv19, it can travel over phone lines.
Yes. I forgot to add. You are right track trace and catch your own.
H&S always did go on about office workstations being grim reapers with a keyboard on top.
Latest update on hospital stats for England (I cannot fathom the Scots & Welsh stats)
Total number of Covid 19 patients in hospital 21st Sept 1261 14th Sept 783
i.e. an increase of 478 60% in 1 week
During this week there were around 200 people a day admitted to hospital for Covid 19 so around 1400 for the week. So by deduction that must mean around 900 were discharged from hospital.
These hospital stats do beg many more questions but I do not have the information to address them?
But I would say this all seems like the ordinary ebb & flow of hospital data for a disease that is just ticking along, certainly nothing here to justify lockdown actions.
It’s important to realise these are not admissions for COVID, but admissions of (i) people who tested positive in the 14 day period before admission, or (ii) who tested positive whilst in hospital. All conditions will be classified under a COVID admission. An interesting question is what fraction of the total admissions do they represent?
Absolutely, so you might need a stent inserted and have had a positive test. In and out of hospital quickly. No treatment for covid. We need to know numbers being treated for covid in normal wards and icu.
It could also be a false postive or they were actually ill 3 months ago so like most covid stats can’t trust them 100%.
There are about 141,000 hospital beds in England. So 783 patients testing positive is a little over 2%. This is similar to the number of positive pillar 1 and 2 tests – mostly asymptomatic and a very large fraction of false positives. I suspect the number of patients is simply tracking the overall test results and doesn’t reflect a true rise in symptomatic COVID cases requiring treatment.
Oops….did my sums incorrectly! Should be 0.5% and not 2%.
Relevant question is how many are seriously ill, how many in hospital for other reasons ( ie could be inpatients regardless of co Vid), how stats compare with admissions for other respiratory illnesses and crucially, what’s the capacity ( which will be regional)
I agree the basic stats beg many more questions but I do not know where to find the answers?
Does it likely just reflect the restart of procedures since early September. Everyone needs to be tested on entry. If the test is positive, they will be discharged having not had the procedure, but the positive test will remain in the system tagged to an admission?
Great stats! Where did you get the first one from, about the % that only tested positive when already inpatient? Not seen that before..
It’s from the monthly Hospital Admissions NHS data. In total since March 23rd 82% of covid patients were only diagnosed once already inpatients in hospital. Remembering that 40% of deaths occurred outside hospitals it seems likely that only about 10% of all covid fatalities came from outside the care system or people being cared for at home.
This has been posted several times.
The first point is crucial. We have a normal influx of people into hospital into the winter, and many of these won’t have otherwise been tested. So now they are using our dodgy PCR tests, and are chalked up as admissions for Covid-19 even though they are flu patients for example.
AND ANOTHER THING
I have to mention the poor old lady we saw tonight walking into town, in her late 80’s pushing a shopping cart, miles away from any shops, out in the open, looking so frail, so scared, with her face nappy on, staggering along the road..
Mrs 2-6 burst out in tears when she saw her.
Lets not let THIS go down the memory hole.
The people who have done this to us are just EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that lot won’t care one little bit.
Have seen this same scene many times. Your rehemency in revulsion is echoed in me.
Folk so frail to approach as a stranger to offer kindness would cause more harm than good.
Where there has been eye contact I make a point of doing what I can. Somehow ever are so far away in loneliness it is heartbreaking. Their spirit keeps them going.
Do not forget. Cannot forget the people I have seen.
All I know is that the Germans were some of the first to sell PCR tests, and our government have a contract to buy 10 million from Roche. I haven’t looked into it more recently though.
Worth noting that even if you buy the same tests, you could get different accuracy figures by (for example) changing the cycle threshold you consider a positive.
Because this thought has merit now
Neil Clark
@NeilClark66
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We are on the brink of a genuinely populist rising in Britain. And it will take down not just Whitty & Vallance & pro-lockdown Tories like Hancock but Sturgeon, Labour & other authoritarian ‘New Normal‘ ‘progressives’ too. People have had enough. #NoNewNormal #NoMoreLockdowns
https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1307975634187157504?s=20
This needs to be pushed too:
https://twitter.com/conscious2/status/1307987663924998144
Trafalgar Square – 26th September – Noon
We need to fill the area. The Square holds 35,000. The more the merrier. BUT PLEASE BE WARNED: we do NOT expect the Police to play nice.
If anyone gets overly stressed with all this bollocks please search and watch ”the joy of painting” by Bob Ross, it was on in the background and fcuk me I’m in a comma – marvellous…
The old 2inch brush….purdy little cabins and big STRONG trees and mountains.
Lets have some fun….let’s go up here now
It’s your world! You’re gonna have to make some big decisions now!!
Love Bob….Legend
Don’t forget his happy little trees!
my favourite is the water lines he puts in with the knife….scrape it right into that canvas..the canvas is strong, it can take it.
Also love how the mountains just appear when he drags the knife down with that little roll of paint on the end that you cut across to get
Magical
Reminds me of Tony Hart as well….gentlemen in the truest sense of the word.
Big favourite in the TT household. Mr TT suffers from a number of health conditions meaning he often gets up at night and he watches ‘whispering’ Bob Ross and NHK Japanese tv – helps him get back to sleep!
If you get ASMR he’s brilliant. I used to get it as a kid with Painting with Nancy and her spatula.
Funny how Bob was in the army and vowed never to raise his voice when he left. Hence the whisper
Walking along the riverside in Knaresborough today we noticed a woman of about seventy walking towards us and a family group in front, gesticulating wildly, it turned out she was ‘shooing’ us all out of the way so that no one in the fresh sunny air came within several yards of her. The expression on the poor woman’s face was utterly abject, she just looked really, really scared, it was a terrible sobering reminder of just how much of a job our government and media have done between them on on so many innocent and vulnerable people. I didn’t resent this poor woman or feel anger towards her I just felt so sorry that she had been terrorised in this way, the people responsible deserve to rot in jail as far as I am concerned.
There’s one like this around my way, and she is extremely aggressive and unpleasant. I’ve been trying to manoeuvre myself so that she steps off the pavement and into the path of oncoming traffic. Unsuccessful so far.
Richard, you and my dog are the only two souls who make me laugh at least once each day! Says a lot about who I’ve become now that the idea of you pushing someone into traffic is something I find funny.
So sad. My 18 year old daughter told me that one of her school friends has just killed himself. I will never forgive these humans for what they are putting people through.
That is heart breaking. This government have so much blood on their hands and they try to tell us that all these measures are for our own good.
Very sad to hear. They are doing far more damage to us youngsters than this hyped up cold.
Been to a socially distanced funeral this afternoon. The loss of humanity in that circumstance and environment is awful. Thanks to the Government for making something horrible even worse.
Yes they are cruel bastards. They know what they are doing. Cruel, evil bastards.
The level of psychopathy to inflict this on funerals is off the charts. I guess we now know the true nature of our enemy though. We are dealing with nothing short of Satanic forces here. You may not believe in Satan, but they sure as shit do.
It took me a long time to get this. It’s not about whether or not WE believe in it, if they do then it’s THAT what counts.
My Grampa used to say….
“The greatest trick the devil pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist”
My Grampa was an SOE operative during ww2, spent rest of his early career in intelligence circles following that and then civil service….he knew what he was talking about!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8754989/Sadiq-Khan-meeting-council-leaders-new-lockdown-restrictions-capital.html
He wants facenappies outdoors ! FFS
I will not forgive or forget this fucker’s contribution. He was one of the first public figures to start lobbying for masks in shops. He will get his wish of course, Johnson already has it written in his speech tomorrow.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3676570
So that is why they want people to wear them!
He’s another evil b’stard!
He is the ultimate picture of hypocrisy, someone who feels he is making people’s lives better by making them worse.
The Met Police wear them outdoors, especially when “interacting” with dirty, unwashed, plague-ridden, anti-lockdown protestors!
Apologies for this, but I just feel outright hatred for our wretched political and social establishment right now. They make me feel physically sick when I see their ugly, stupid faces.
You do not need to apologise. I commented earlier that I can’t stand to look at them, and the contempt that I feel is something I haven’t felt before in my many years on this planet. I was talking to my son earlier who has never heard his dear old mum swear like a navvy.
Yes, these cunts never wear masks (of course) so we see their fucking faces every day.
They are loathsome. They are revelling in the death, pain, loneliness, and misery that they are inflicting on the British people. No need to apologise, Liam.
Yes, did you see the photo on Simon Dolan’s Twitter today? No social distancing and no masks…
They don’t need to now.
The Daily Mail have been photoshopping masks on all the great and good all day. Risible if not a little sinister.
No need to apologise Liam, Today has been a rough day for a lot of us.
I had some pretty colourful thoughts just now regarding an imaginary interaction scenario with Sadist Khan when I read that he wants muzzles in all public spaces in London. The scenario was dark and didnt end well for him but I felt much better afterwards.
It’s natural to feel hatred at times like these, but for me it’s important to try and vent it in a non-destructive way to avoid it being misdirected, especially towards myself!
You know I find myself not caring one iota about those vulnerable to the virus, particularly those that use it to justify keeping these restrictions in place. Am I wrong, any help rationalising this thought process???
You are not alone. I have nothing but disdain for anyone who is still taking this seriously. For the destruction of civilisation and humanity that they are helping to bring about, they are just as evil as the perpetrators at the top. Order followers have more moral culpability for wrongdoing than order givers.
A large number of them are on board with that too. You look after you, I’ll do me.
They want their lives back.
Good. I am apparently vulnerable to the virus: I’m over 70. Tomorrow I’m going mountain biking over difficult terrain on volcanoes. I’ve got more chance of dying during the ride than I have of covid. It’s my choice. I know the risks and I’m prepared to take them. I don’t need to be patronised by the government or any of their advisors. Is there life before death? Not if Boris and his pals get their way.
No, I’m absolutely sympathetic to those who are genuinely vulnerable. Nothing has changed for them and they’re not the ones driving this.
I am angry, however, with those people who just refuse to think for themselves and respond to everything with abuse, affecting to find hilarious any argument or evidence that might make them consider a different point of view. Especially when the lockdown toll is so serious and so personal for so many people.
And, obviously, I am beyond words for the people running the show.
The last Saturday before lockdown was the first decent weather Saturday we’d had since January, so I toddled off to the Lakes for a good long walk. Returning to work on the Monday night, was given a hard time for “selfishness” from someone whose girlfriend belonged to one of the vulnerable groups. And this was someone I’d supported the previous week over his understandable concerns.
That was when I realised the “give” was all going to be one-sided, and also when my support evaporated.
Someone demanding you stop your living your life to lessen their own ignorant fears ranks pretty highly on the selfishness scale in my books.
The phrase ‘go f**k yourself’ springs to mind
I wasn’t too polite in my response tbh.
Most excellent!
I sponsor a guide dog. Just a few quid a month, they do good work and my kids still love getting the “Pupdates” on how the mutts are doing. Sometimes a dog doesn’t quite pass muster but they let the families keep them as a “buddy dog”, especially with the young kids.
Looking at the latest update, there’s an article about a nine-year-old girl who has one of these lovely soppy dogs. She’s stone blind and reading between the lines the poor little lass seems to have other problems too. This bit caught in my throat: “She lives in a house with two adults and no other children around. And although she makes friends well, she can become isolated.”
What this inhuman mass house arrest away from her school friends must be doing to that little girl makes my heart sore. And beyond that, I’ve read accounts of severely mentally disabled children and adults who’ve now been locked up for months and who believe that their parents and families have forgotten or abandoned them. Many of them are in the most unspeakable distress, sedated, utterly neglected, soiled, injuring themselves.
And when I see the cynical triumphalism of the lockdownistas, their affected compassion, their faux empathy for the “vulnerable”, and their smug, insufferable, emoji-laden charade of banana-bread making and vegan cocktails, a thick, choking rage rises in my throat, blood pounds in my ears and my countenance turns sick and pale with the desire to beat their unctuous, stupid faces in.
Absolutely right, the toll on those with neurological, cognitive illnesses is dreadful, I find it hard not to regard elements of SAGE, our media and government as outright terrorists.
Bio terrorism
Triumphalism nails it. This is the greatest time of their lives. I would subject them to far worse torture for everything they have done, and will continue to do, than a mere beating.
I know how you feel. My rage threatens to overwhelm me sometimes. My wee nephew has Vaccine (MMR) induced brain damage. They like to call it Autism but it’s brain damage plain and simple.
He has been in a terrible state last few months. I can’t even go visit my sister to see him as it breaks my heart too much when I see him the way he is sometimes.
Retribution will come to those responsible one day
I could never have put it better. That’s exactly how my anger feels. Your story and the tales of mothers having still births in their own really did it for me.
The woes of the institutionalised must be like a return to the horrendous neglect they suffered in the 1960’s and ’70’s. Another scandal in the making.
The worm has turned – but there will be many dips in our confidence to come – that is the nature of the beast…
crack on!!!!
That’s it. There will be hard hits to come. Easily coped with if expected.
e.g. mandatory masks everywhere which will be a hard pill to swallow despite the fact that it was bloody obvious this was going to happen from the moment they brought them in on public transport.
Iain Dale on LBC, talking about how people need to take personal responsibility if they are vunerable, sounds positive and in the same conversation we start talking about someone who went on holiday to Spain, came back and did not isolate as instructed, then infected 200 people.
Now I remember why I stopped listening to LBC, the campaign of fear.
Infected 200 people. Really??
That would be quite an achievement! They would surely have had to have come home infected and then gone round lots of pubs/shops etc and coughed in everyone’s face.
Yes… utter rubbish!
Wow! Track and trace must really have got their act together to establish that this individual infected 200 others. Unfortunately the cynic in me doesn’t believe that for a second. In the words of the great Karen Dunbar “I smell shite”.
Well covid does apparently spread in faecal plumes.
“Faecal Plumes”. The name of my new thrash metal band.
Same evidence that Sturgis was a super-spreader. Basically, it’s modeling of the same sort that predicted millions of deaths… built on assumptions predicted by modeling. So much of what is being relied on for covid policy is circular reasoning.
I have reducing the amount I listen to LBC too. Generally LBC presenters have been happy to whip-up fear and pander to the bedwetter element of the audience. Surprisingly Nick Abbot has been very sceptical in recent weeks and Maajid Nawaz has been pretty good. Nick Ferrari is sort of sceptical but his arguments are superficial.
In the Speccie
However, despite talk of a so-called ‘circuit break’ to turn the tide — which would see a form of partial lockdown for two weeks – nothing quite so drastic is expected on Tuesday. Lockdown sceptic Tory MPs appear more relaxed than they were when the week started. Several now believe that No. 10 is working to make sure the public can do ’80 per cent of what they can do now’ rather than push everyone closer to the severe restrictions seen in spring. A 10 p.m. closing time for pubs is expected to be announced along with other potential measures on socialising.
Relaxed is dangerous!
80%
Fuck off
In my book what we can do now is about 1% of what’s defensible
10PM – utter bollocks. No basis in science or common sense. Just fuck off
(Not shooting the messenger)
https://twitter.com/BreitbartLondon/status/1308099925582856192
!!!! No words.
I did think this was coming actually, they can’t have the proles enjoying any relaxation at all. Fancy going after alcohol first though, I was sure they would ban tobacco first.
We will all be Epsilons soon
The lowest classes are Deltas and Epsilons. They do the jobs that nobody wants to do. Deltas are slightly smarter so they do things like truck driving. Epsilons, having their oxygen reduced so much, do jobs like sweeping, and shoveling garbage.
How they can make people this dumb to do these jobs is oxygen. When the people are developing they give them more or less oxygen for smartness, the epsilons get a very minimal amount so they are very dub and the Alphas get the most. They also insert some alcohol in the blood of the developing person. This is so that the Alphas will be the strongest and tallest and the Epsilons the weakest.
This system is very unfair because you can never move up the ladder. From the day you are created your spot has already been decided. The most unfair part is that they are not even aware that their lives suck until they examine them. The problem is they find no need to examine them selves because of a little pill called soma, which makes them happy. The reason for the system is so that all the jobs are done without complaint and they are done efficiently by the right people
There’s an existing black market in tobacco.
Might have to grow it yourself at this rate..
I’ve never smoked, but I’m making sure my wine racks are full.
And I’ve got 30 bottles of gin. But nowhere enough tonic, it now occurs to me.
Works. I grew some monsters a couple of years ago.
Hmmm prohibition… becoming the next Al Capone would solve my money worries…
She’s as crazy as her brother..
These entitled cunts haven’t a clue. Hop farmers are having a hard enough time as it is because of the lockdown. I cannot believe how thick the people are that run, or influence, this country. My mother’s only comfort as an 86 year old in lockdown deprived of seeing her family was a nightly glass of sherry. I’d happily see this woman and her ghastly brother garroted
May your wish be granted.
… Because prohibition is always such a raging success.
You know what, though? If they actually did that, it could be the tipping point for quite a lot of people, which is what you need.
Well that should start some serious panic buying!
Or is she just trying to save Piffle from himself?
I’ve long suspected that “poor Boris who almost died of covid” always looks tired because he’s perpetually hung over nowadays.
I think she admitted in a Mail article that she has become an alcoholic during lockdown, can’t stop drinking. So of course everyone else has to give up too. The whole family are completely nuts.
Ha ha, the whole family is mad.
Great news.
My MP’s researcher has replied to my email: “ I can confirm ###### has recently tabled 2 parliamentary questions regarding false positive results in Pillar 2 settings”
He’s a Labour MP – hopefully parliamentarians of all colours will begin to challenge this destructive narrative.
Excellent news!
Yay!
Does anybody think that Handy Cock, Whitty, Vallence, Boris, Pritti Patel, Sadiq Kahn, Bell-End Starmer, Don Cummings, Gove, Neil Fegruson other political figures, MP’s or any other “influencers” read these comments?
Seriously.
How many people who have real power and influence reads these comments?
If you are one of these people I have named or somebody in the public eye with real power and influence. Can you please stop just lurking like spineless cowards. Engage with us here?
If you are a medical person and read these comments and have some power and influence please make your selves known. Engage with us.
How can anybody not see this Corona Scam as the insane, utterly evil and corrupt ces- pool of filth that it is and stay silent?
I beg you to speak out against this insanity.
I hold all of you in utter CONTEMPT in your silence.
How can you live with yourself, staying silent and watching the carnage roll out across the nation in front of your eyeballs and not speak out unless you too are just evil.
None of the pricks in your first paragraph have got the brainpower or the attention span to read these comments.
I think there will be a few lowly minions in the Home Office or elsewhere with the task of monitoring this site and others such as Save Our Democracy on Facebook, but they’ll be mainly looking out for anyone planning violence. The authorities probably regard such sites as a safety valve and are unlikely to close them down. Hope I’m right on that.
This site will be gone when the vaccine is deployed. I hope Toby has it backed up. It needs to be preserved for posterity.
Yes, an established management tool. Let them rant and let off steam. But occasionally it can go wrong.
I think they are far too arrogant to wonder what the “opposition” are doing
I was a Guardian reader until a few months ago when I got fed up with being called names for expressing doubts about the lockdown. That’s when I found this site. My old comments are still there and I occasionally try to get through to people but it feels like a fool’s errand. Sorry that you got kicked off the Guardian, but if I posted the same sorts of things I do here, I’d be modded as well.
It’s hard, but you probably need to do what I did – move on. The Guardian doesn’t want people like us. They won’t be getting any more financial support from me in future either.
Strangely enough, I now post on the Daily Mail. While I disagree with peoples’ opinions on almost every other subject, I find plenty of like-minded people when it comes to the government’s actions on the virus.
I was down in Portugal earlier this month – I enjoy ratching along the coast and nipping down for a swim every so often. On one occasion there was a decent surf coming in, I swam out past the paddlers and had a good swim.
I noticed I was moving in a current parallel to the beach towards a rip at the end of the beach – heading back out to sea – nearer the rocks at the western end of the cove. Not a problem as I’d spent a year down on south curl curl beach on sydneys northern beaches, and had a reasonable understanding of how the rips worked.
My worst case scenario was being taken over to the outward rip and taken further out to sea (a current surfers use to get out quick), and quickly disappears as you get away from shore. Then I would just have swum a few hundred meters perpendicular to the coast and come back in with the surf.
But, in the end, I simply used the surf to drive me back to shore – no drama.
Had somebody panicked in that situation they would simply have drowned.
Hence why the government is drowning us.
Excellent and damning article on our scientists a politicians calamitous fear mongering
https://reaction.life/the-perils-of-exponential-growth-curve-bias/
Very interesting and a plausible contributory influence on those who can’t get through a sentence without say “exponential” while we see nothing of the sort in the data
Well worth a read. Thanks!
I reckon that it’s a good way of sorting the proper scientists from the pseuds and shills. Do they display an understanding of the word ‘exponential’ and recognise non-exponential growth?
I’ve just done the Covid19 Assembly survey. Does anyone know why one of the questions asked was: “were you born on 30th February?” Or maybe nothing seems to make sense anymore …. at least not to my weary mind!
2+2=5
LockdownTruth, who posts here often will know. I suspect it’s to weed out people who are clicking randomly.
Exactly
To weed out people with a low IQ?
If your IQ was so low you couldn’t remember your birthday you wouldn’t be answering the survey.
Lol! no!
Probably to stop automated programs filling in the survey like the captcha things are supposed to do.
30th February?!
Bot screening?
Got it – thanks!
It is just to test that you are human, I suspect. To stop a bot raking the survey.
To check if you’re paying attention! It’s my project. Thanks for doing it. But we need as many non-sceptics as possible. Can you convince a couple of people you know to do it? Every little helps. Thanks
What’s the link please?
https://www.covid19assembly.org/covid19-survey
Thanks
Thank you! Will do it now.
Will do!
Whitty just been described as a rather ill looking Mr Burns, if that is possible, on TalkRADIO
He was shaking like crazy this morning the constant fist clenching was trying to keep it under control.
Did you also see that suit he was wearing when he walked to Downing Street, it was like one of those £29.99 ones you see on Groupon or Wowcher, and it’s about two sizes too big for him, he looked like a tramp.
Mr Byrite!
Yes, indeed!
Stress starting to show.
Gates been pressurising him?
Yes, I saw the fist thing too. I don’t think he looked very well either – is he losing his mind?
Result!
That’s an insult to Mr Burns tbh
Mr Burns on a bad day is likeable compared to Witless on a good day.
Where do people think we’ll be in 6 months’ time?
I reckon they want us begging for mandatory vaccination.
My predictions for Q4 2020 (posted here first on 8th September, still looking right on target):
1) Second wave
2) Second lockdown
3) Mandatory masks everywhere at all times (including private property)
4) Mandatory testing
5) Economic collapse
6) Food and water shortages
7) Power and communications outages
8) Internet purge
9) Civil unrest
10) Martial law
Leading to the following in Q1 2021:
11) Mandatory vaccination (refusal leading to exclusion from work, travel and access to money)
12) Great Reset (to last until 2100 and beyond)
Re 12, just found this: https://twitter.com/TheSharpEdge1/status/1308076863437156352 (Prince Charles speaks..)
Worrying..he seems to want the military involved..
I think that’s boiling the frog too quickly.
1) to 5) are an absolute dead cert. 6) to 10) are more speculative, but I would argue absolutely essential for 11) and 12). They will never have as much momentum as this, so for me they are getting ready to go all in over this winter to get there.
Cant argue with much of that. Only thing I would add is that according to the World Bank, the ‘Project’will finish on 31st March 2025. This will produce a compliant population for the next phase….Transhumanism.
2030 is the key date.
UN Agenda 2030
Save the planet from climate change by 2030
Google’s stated aim to achive ‘The Singularity’ by 2030.
“We are The Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated”
13) Annex the Sudetenland?
That made me laugh, for the first time today.
You seem to be assuming the bad guys will win 9 and 10, Richard.
Just can’t bear to think about that.
I think that is the aim..
If that was the intention, which I very much doubt, they have seriously over egged the pudding. People aren’t buying this shite anymore let alone the prospect of vaccination.
I think all this will be over in a lot less than 6 months now.
They amount of crap they are coming out with is ott even for them. There are too many people out there speaking up against it and that will only become greater.
We’ll be one of the last countries to get back to normal but that is because of our awful media.
They’ll be a feeble attempt at a second lockdown but nobody will pay attention.
They’ll be no mandatory vaccines.
Boris will be gone by the end of the year along with Hancock
Hubes whilst I respect your opinion, do you think this has been a massive cockpit or something more sinister?
A massive cock up. One panicked reaction and decision after another. The more ridiculous decisions they make the deeper hole they get in, which results in more bullshit to try and get out of it.
I don’t think it’s sinister. If it’s sinister than it’s an unbelievably good performance of faux incompetence they’ve put on for 6 months and if it’s all pre planned why would they make it so easy for everything they say/publish to be pulled apart in minutes??
I think there is a push for a vaccine now but that is nothing new. That happens with a lot of diseases.
Globally!
I am not arguing either way (though I think it almost certain that particular groups are going to use this for their own nefarious ends), but how does the fact that everything they say potentially being easily refuted have any bearing on anything when we are dealing with a vast number of people who do what the tv tells them to, no questions asked?
I believe the incompetence and trashing of liberties and throwing the elderly under a bus is ALL sinister, but sinister in itself, not because of some external force moving against us. Yes, there are organisations and individuals who are pushing their own agendas harder than before as a result of this, but that they are driving the situation? Don’t buy it.
The government panicked, got into the hole while the leader was ill, tried to double down, then believed everybody was too terrified to climb out by themselves. Once the situation slips from your control, it’s hard to pull it back and make things look like you were in charge all along. And here we are.
On the bright side (for us), the endgame is approaching. For them, some careers are over.
I seriously hope you are right. To be honest, none of the restrictions have thusfar been imposed with anything like the aggression seen in many other countries. It’s primarily been a (very effective) psychological assault.
If the first line of attack fails, they will send in the pain sticks! I suspect there will be some heavy handed police violence on Saturday
Me too. I’m still going though. We need the numbers. We need 50-100k!
But things are not improving in Oz, it seems Andrews signed up to some Chinese project…maybe a bit like Boris and Huawei?
The Belt and Road initiative……creeping totalitarianism. Any number of sources available with search
Sounds too good to believe.
I agree
It’ll all be over by then. I hope I’ve not just cursed the liberation.
Don’t make me hope…
Our economy will be down the toilet, public sector will have to be downsized as the government will not have money to provide general services such as fire, ambulance, Medical care, care for the elderly, any form of social services etc.
if you have money you will still be able to buy the services above from the likes of amazon or eBay.
Talking of predictions, you don’t hear much about Mason Mills these days.
The Mason Mills Twitter account was terminated a while back.
MM started a Patreon account – Offlands here is a member, I believe. There were 3 levels of subscription, but i believe it is only one level now – and very expensive..
Just recorded our reply to Patrick Valium and Chris Witless…YOU’RE GOING TO LOVE IT!
See you tomorrow afternoon only on The Real Normal Podcast!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
Lord Rickmansworth
Good show, can I come to your pub?
URGENT. I’ve just written to my MP to ask how many covid-related SIs have been decreed and how many have gone through the legal Parliamentary procedure.
Here’s his reply:
I do not know the answers to your questions. If you would like me to email to the Leader of House office to get the figures I am happy to do so, please let me know. Replies are taking 4-8 weeks at the moment from most Government departments.
I know someone posted the numbers a couple of weeks ago. It was something like 133 SIs, of which over ha hundred hadn’t gone through Parliament.
Please can anyone provide me with some reasonably up to date and accurate numbers so I can apprise him? This could set off our own tipping point among the backbenchers!
Thanks.
I thought it was 391! Someone (maybe AG?) posted it the other day, so the figure *is* known..
So far I found this:
https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/data/coronavirus-statutory-instruments-dashboard#total-coronavirus-sis
The government has laid 235 Coronavirus-related Statutory Instruments (SIs) before the UK Parliament.
Rather opaque re the legality factor though.
“Replies are taking 4-8 weeks at the moment from most Government departments.”
Why?
Possibly due to high volumes of correspondence.
Hmm. Not convinced. Do people really write to them that much?
Smokescreen!
The same reason Simon Dolan’s appeal has been put back a month because 1 lawyer out of 12 is on holiday ?
Apologies for stupid question but what do you mean by SIs?
Statutory Instruments.
Statutory Instruments, these are extra laws brought in by the government without parliamentary oversight, hanging off other legislation.
Thank you both.
This really is CRIMINAL
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8755481/Are-governments-scary-graphs-bad-seem.html
A bit of context for Chris Whitty’s worst case scenario of 200 deaths per day.
200 people a day would need to die every day for 8 months (250 days) to reach the 50,00 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46399090 just in case there’s anyone here who hasn’t read it) excess deaths figure for 2017/18!!!!!
Now, my memory isn’t that good but try as I might I don’t remember calls to trash the economy, close the NHS, put everyone under house arrest and put all students and old people into solitary confinement then, do you?
Here’s a bit of misinformation for you. Just flashed across my tv screen on Sunrise this morning in Sydney, ‘UK health officials warning of 50,000 cases a day’. I am just about at my wits end with MSM.
Obviously, a failure to understand Coronaspeak:
‘health officials’ = ‘incompetent lying pseudo-scientists with links to Big Pharma employed by government ‘
How many deaths are the equivalent of a functioning society?
I never thought I would have to think about that equation before, but that seems to be where we are.
Is it “just one life saved”? Must we all live in misery in the hope that it will give a single nonagenarian in Welwyn Garden City a few more months?
Or is it maybe a bit more nuanced than that? Does it have more to do with a complex system of judging individual and collective risk without the need of government advisors to tell us how to do it?
Maybe we just need to give it a last little shove, so that coronavirus will be gone and nobody has to die of anything ever. We’ve all been naughty boys and girls, so now we have to break the circuit.
Or maybe a functioning society outweighs the value of every death, because a functioning society is what gives value to any life? Maybe it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things how many nonagenarians in Welwyn Garden City (with apologies to any nonagenarians in Welwyn Garden City) die, as long as the schools stay open, the theatres and concert halls stay open, the pubs stay open and people can walk down the street and meet their friends as they would like to and because they want to, without worrying about whether they’re allowed to?
I don’t know. I’m just musing.
It’s not lives saved, it’s only weeks or months of life saved. In the end nobody’s life can be saved.
Of course – it’s not about ‘valuing life’.
Never was – the impoverished existence conceived of by these fanatics, driven by dark motives are the very opposite of ‘life’ – even of the sort that might not be ‘as we know it.
Ironic to be watching ‘The Real Dr Zhivago’.
Less mental gymnastics once one accepts that the tyranny is the goal, matt.
There seems to be a gulf between the value we place on those things as compared to what is still the majority, though it’s partly distorted by the majority’s incorrect perception of the real risk
Clearly another day of madness but encouraged to see some MSM getting more sceptical. Update on visit to the City – it is still very very quiet – busier than July but handfuls of people around really. Shops and businesses permantly shuttered. New traffic measures very much in evidence and so hardly any traffic around on Bishopsgate.
Will try to upload some pictures – Bishopsgate at 10.30 should be absolutely teaming with people…
Went to restaurant over south side of Tower Bridge quite busy but basically a young demographic not the heavy spenders you would normally see – nearby apartment blocks hardly occupied – very few doors onto balconies open or lights on (and we know they aren’t in the office !)
Overall I would say it’s over – particularly if this latest madness isn’t stopped. I can’t see how it recovers from this
The problem is by taking two points you can fit any curve you want between them, although the simplest is a straight line. It could be exponential, but only if the increase is the seventh root of two per day. You cannot infer anything from the two points, you need a third point. If the third point is twice the second then it’s exponential, but if the third point is the second point plus the difference between the first and second points then it’s linear. There is one curve worse than an exponential curve and that is the tangent curve which shoots off very rapidly to infinite and beyond.
What does a tangent touch? What does a sine lack? How have I got to the grand old age of thirty-eight without ever asking that question?
I am beginning to think that some of the people leading this have one arm behind their back.
Do exactly what we say or we will tell the world about that night in the hotel with those two young ladies, do you remember that conference? We have video if you want to be reminded how much fun it was.
Blackmail for political influence is as old as the hills.
The Lolita Express flight logs will be going a long way to keeping the leadership in line and on message.
Indeed. How is Guislaine doing, been very quiet these six months.
Nothing conspiratorial about it either. J. Edgar Hoover had enormous influence on American politics for 50 years using his private dossiers on Senators and Representatives. In turn, the Mafia were given a free ride by him owing to the compromising material they held on his transvestite activities.
Check out the Tim Dillon podcast with Whitney Webb
https://youtu.be/udH8rIaC33k
I suspect – on some level – it may be a factor in the mix. Was reading the other day, a journalist (proper one, not MSM, @ArrestAnon social media) had compiled a list of the people Trump had put away for child sex trafficking or related crimes: it numbers in excess of 300+ paedos, nearly 14,000 for trafficking crimes!
A certain vaccine enthusiast will be featuring!
Belinda and Melvin, naturally. The world’s favourite friendly philanthropic couple, spreading good will and love.
Just some?
More abuse aimed at my wife for not being muzzled in a shop today.
In the queue a woman behind my wife said to her kids,’huh,that’s it I’m not shopping in here anymore if they are going to let people not wearing masks in !’.
You can easily swap the words ‘people not wearing masks’ with,say,’Jews’ and you realise how low this country has sunk so rapidly.
You should have reminded the woman that some people have reasons why they cannot wear a mask and by talking the way she spoke she could be committing a hate crime.
I would’ve turned round, told her I’m exempt, and warn her that talking about me in such a manner is discrimination against the disabled and a criminal offence.
Not to mention appalling manners, and a very bad example to her kids.
More of the same coming our way just walking down the road in the fresh air once they are made mandatory everywhere.
If anyone tries it on with me, I know a few decent spots where there is no CCTV coverage where we can discuss our differences face-to-mask.
How would they even police wearing masks outdoors? Will the Stasi – sorry, Covid marshalls – be deployed to the countryside where there’s more livestock than people? At this rate the animals will have to wear masks too
It will be left to the people to police themselves. As soon as this is brought in we will see a massive uptick in mask usage outdoors, from less than 10% to 75% or above, overnight.
Man in macdonalds protesting loudly about 4 young lads not wearing masks .They told him they don’t have the authority to query them.Continued protesting him got him ejected without his breakfast
Good
A possible response might be “well that would suit me just fine because the sight of pathetic, muzzled, bedwetting idiots like you makes me feel physically sick”
Shows the effectiveness of Goebbels-esque propaganda.
I’d have turned round and said “Good! More loo roll for the rest of us then!”
I finally got a reply from my MP:
He very clearly hadn’t read my e-mail, in which I gave many reasons why the measures are not proportionate at all. Well, I suppose that’s what you (think you) can afford to do when you’ve got a ~14000 vote majority.
I sometimes wonder whether single-question emails to MPs are more effective. Skewer them on one strong point?
I did the same though, wrote a long email to a councillor – I’ll probably get a weak reply or none at all but it was quite cathartic.
In fairness to him, he is correct, the Coronavirus Act is proportionate and temporary. But it is also almost entirely symbolic, as all the restrictions are brought in under the Public Health Act. The Coronavirus Act is a sideshow.
The coronavirus act grants imdemnity to people it shouldn’t, if I’ve understood correctly?
Please correct me if I have got this wrong, but when this hoo-haa started there was something actually happening, we may think the response was wrong but it was a response to deaths and hospital cases. But at the moment naff all is happening, very few people dying, hospital cases up and down a bit, but at low numbers, as the old songs says;
”ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the tree”
All looks fine to me but witless Witty has gazed into the tea leaves and has had a vision of doom and gloom and we all have to suffer.
He must have listened to the wrong music, I’d rather go with Van Morrison;
Don’t worry about tomorrow
That ain’t gonna help you none
Don’t worry about tomorrow
That ain’t gonna help you none
You’ve gotta live and take each day as it comes
Give it a few weeks and there won’t even be leaves on the trees.
“when this hoo-haa started there was something actually happening,”
Actually – track it back, and there was relatively little actually happening.
But it was a reasonably plausible scenario that something was about to kick off.
Then something did happen – largely in London. There was a notable spike in mortality … which quickly faded without breaking any records as the familiar gompertz curve revealed itself.
What did break records was the lie and panic industry thereafter.
Anybody live in Cornwall? I was thinking about going down there to escape the new normal, how is it down there? Are the locals all paranoid and covid crazy or are they a bit more relaxed?
I wouldn’t go there. I have heard absolute horror stories.
They make sausages from tourists …
more likely to be Pasties
True. Anything bar carrots, I understand …
Cornwall had its busiest summer in years this year. Where are the dead bodies?
In the Tamar
I live there. Less muzzles on the streets than I recently saw in Hertfordshire but a definite anti visitor feeling among some less intellectually abled residents! Also without wanting to sound like some kind of whinging local it’s busier here than I’ve ever known it at the moment!
Is anyone else been getting sleeping issues? I don’t get much now, usually anxiety keeps me awake for hours. Some nights, usually when the next diktat is due, I’ve not had any sleep at all. And without this pleasure I feel even worse. The sadistic bastards must be doing this to thousands if not millions.
I haven’t slept properly since March.
No more than 4 hours a night during the week (often with beers), then I crash at weekends when things are generally a little quieter.
On the plus side I have grown familiar with the movement of the planets when I go out for a smoke. I especially enjoy the rise of Venus around 3.00-4.00am, which I generally use as my guide for finally calling it a day.
Yes, similar to what you describe…
Likewise
Do you try to get exercise every day?
“The sadistic bastards must be doing this to thousands if not millions.”
… and that’s but one symptom.
We should not forget the evil done. There needs to be a reckoning.
Nuremberg style trials, and prison sentences as a minimum.
I’m lucky, I can always sleep. Probably the only thing I’m really good at.
I’m able to sleep well most nights, but I have this constant dread when waking up in the morning when I remember I don’t live in Sweden and that our government is beyond incompetent and cruel.
I have a constant dread when I go to bed that I will wake up the next morning.
Oh no! Still here!
I find it helps to drink yourself semi-conscious first. My liver and my heart don’t like it much, but at least I’m unconscious for around 8 hours a day.
Doubtless insomnia will soon be touted as a distressing symptom of Long Covid.
Anyone not sleeping well needs to fix that as a priority. Given normal exercise, good diet, and hydration, then taking a break somehow is essential.
Usual options are there – meditation, yoga, budo, gardening, art, craft, reading, studying, animals, nature, etc. Oh yes, getting bladdered occasionally too.
(Other entheogens are available …).
If we’re going to win this we need all the reasonable people at their most effective.
I need to get back into entheogens, especially natural. They have the potential to provide me with insights into the insanity that I have not yet been able to reach via alcohol intake.
Shizer, I am similar – I haven’t had a proper, non-anxiety filled (sober) night’s sleep since mid June.
Exponential??????????
Yep : Corruption of language = corruption of thought = lying.
Remember Blair. Then remember his nemesis – Eric Blair.
Freedoms to come at a cost for everything you want to do.
Forget the vaccine MOONSHOT is what this is all about.
My god.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/daily-moonshot-tests-covid-nhs-paid-by-public-655089?ito=twitter_share_article-top
Moonshot is the precursor to the vaccine.The end game is a tattoo with your vaccine history embedded in your skin.Track and trace,temperature checks are just conditioning to prepare us to except this is what you have to do to access public life.
Pay for the privilege of being totally enslaved. Could it get any more obvious?
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/09/10/martin-mckee-will-boris-johnsons-moonshot-become-lost-in-space/
No need to worry!!!
MOONSHOT looks like one of Cumming’s aberrations. If you look at his blogs the man is a total fantasist. He and Boris make a dreadful pair. They live in a kind of parallel science fiction universe far removed from practical reality.
Moonshot
Moonspaff
Moneyshot
Moneyspaff? Too crude?
Fear porn on ITN.Teeing us up for more restrictions tomorrow.Also holding out ‘hope of a vaccine by the end of the year.The reporter actually called it the stuff of dreams.Its not even a theory that they are continuing the fear game until the vaccine is ready.Its fact
It’s so in your face. Turned off after 5. Look out the window, the world is not coming to an end.
I swear it’s psychological warfare on a massive scale. They tee up narrative in the preceding weeks, asking Hancock “Can you rule out a second lockdown?” And the media won’t move on till we get a second lockdown.
I only watch to see what they are planning.It is no longer news but Government propaganda.I now know what life was like behind the iron curtain
The Russians developed techniques for coping. We will too.
It’s been psychological warfare on a massive scale for over 6 months.
By the end of the year indeed. Anyone who doubts this message is telling where this is all headed needs to pay more attention.
Ooof. Not an encouraging day overall. Took car for some recall work – Eastbourne Honda dealer was a nightmare – stand about 10′ feet away (behind the line. NO, THE RED LINE !). Put keys in plastic bag. BBC propaganda bollocks showing on large screen.
While waiting went to the local Morrisons. Dire – queue system, hand gunk proffered, one way system designed by failed model railway engineer. Deciding I didn’t need to walk 30 yards to enter the queuing system, ducked under tape. (Nobody was coming down the ‘correct’ channel). Ooh, bad move. Head Karen had a meltdown. Apparently they’ve done a survey across 100 stores (!), this is apparently what Morrisons customers want.
B&Q, fine, virtually normal.
Picked up car, went to Battle. Very bad move. It must be one of the leading covidphobic place in the UK. Prior booking essential for the deserted Abbey. Big posters in the square, “local lockdown heroes”. Maybe a dozen or so ? Then, every shop or cafe seemed to have its own version of these posters. (They have knitted covers for the traffic bollards – flowers, patterns, the full works. This added to the sense of unreality.). Decided to eat – Abbey Hotel – I’ll just take your temperature. Err, no. My OH discussed for a while (I’d already left), and actually heard a ‘kill my granny in a care home’ line.
Went to Hastings – lovely – fish & chips, ice cream, and even some ‘End the covid tyranny’ graffiti. One amusing poster in the seafront gents – ‘Due to covid, only one person should use this urinal at one time’.
Hastings was always more rough and ready than the more genteel Eastbourne and affluent Battle. Is there a pattern developing here?
Yep, good point Richard.
Nah. But maybe we met in the ice cream shop.
My wife had an interesting conversation with her masseuse (an old friend) this evening.
Her friend told her that she had been out with another friend, a senior care nurse at a Midlands hospital and the conversation centred very much around this CV19 shit show.
The nurse said that her hospital is empty and has been for months. Said that she has seen one or two patients with suspected CV in all that time – all the rest, empty! Told her that this whole situation is bollocks and has been from day one. Totally made out to be worse than it is.
She then went on to say that back in March, the whole hospital was visited by The Suits and everyone were made to sign NDA’s then and there, no reading, or debate. Sign or out.
Our sister in law is also a care home helper. She is tested every week. No-one in her care home or her whole circle of colleagues has tested positive, ever. Every death that happens in the home is automatically posted as CV. No test.
Seems that upper management in the NHS Trusts are complicit in this across the country if other similar stories are to be believed. Which then begs the question, if that many management wankers are in on the game trusting the secrecy, how many more are there across other sectors and government?
That all rings true in relation to my observation and Occam’s razor in terms of analysis.
Having to sign without reading is disgraceful. Might give rise to a defence of duress for any whistleblowers mind.
We need the name badges of these ‘Suits’.
This is fascinating information. Playing Devil’s advocate for a second, if this NDA was universal in the NHS, is it conceivable that there would not be many more rumours like this doing the rounds? Especially given that the NHS is the 5th largest employer in the world. We are talking nearly 2 million people here. Could they all have been cowed into submission and silence for this long?
I have read other anecdotes of NDA’s but did not save the links unfortunately. Not widespread news but they are there.
An NDA is a powerful deterrent.
Yes, it carries the threat of criminal charges if broken. If just 1% of NHS employees had blown the whistle though, this would be 20,000 cases.
I’m bound by (off the top of my head) around 20 corporate NDAs that I’ve signed myself. Nothing to do with this stuff, but I would have to be very, very sure of my moral ground and of media support before I breached any of them (I don’t actually have any moral imperative to breach any of them, to be clear).the threat of being arrested by the FBI next time I went through US immigration aside, I wouldn’t want to be permanently bankrupt and unemployable.
It doesn’t compare but I have already jeopardised a 20-year career, and the prospect of ever being employed again (owing to my age), by being the only employee in my company who refused to sign the face coverings policy. This is a small price to pay for making a small stand against the insanity.
It’s worthless.
Did you ask her how she would prove this to anyone?
I didn’t. This is 3rd or fourth person. The important point for me was that the masseuse was a little bit Lockdown-tastic at the start and has since seen the light. I added this because the NDA situation made me remember the other articles i had read about other nurses being asked to sign them.
I appreciate it could all be hearsay.
It would be helpful to get hold of a copy of the NDA mentioned by the nurse and make it public. As an NHS employee myself, not been asked to do this, nor have colleagues at hospitals in adjacent counties.
Yes, it’s no good if just an internet rumour. We need evidence
Great to see the NHS represented on here. You have confirmed my suspicion that this may be Chinese whispers. I have slagged off your employer on here more than once, and often forget that this is read by real people like yourself who work for them.
Any piece of paper signed in those conditions is legally worthless.
Covid-19 is a (fucking unfunny and sick) joke, and the vaccine has always been the punchline.
This site focuses, understandably enough, on the British situation. However, Covid-19 is a global pheomenon.
Those who tend to cockup theorising in the UK emphasize British particularities, whilst those of a similar persuasion elsewhere presumably emphasize their own national factors.
The cockup theorisers fail to account for the fact that, in my opinion, the narratives are basically the same everywhere, with the variations minor by comparison.
Measures may sometimes be relaxed in some places, only to be tightened up again, but I see no sign of a retreat in the narrative.
Indeed, there can be no retreat in the narrative, given that all institutional and governmental credibility has been invested in it.
Whatever the ultimate outcome of all this, it has now gone past the point of no return.
Great post. This point CANNOT be emphasised enough!
A cynical mind might say there is a script!!
That’d make me cynical then. Or realistic.
Even across the administrations today it was the same message. We have a Sinn Fein Deputy First Minister here in Northern Ireland cranking up the fear message from Westminster word for word.
The comments on her warm up social media posts last night were almost 90% anger, maybe 20% of those truly sceptical of the overall narrative.
Excellent point, the global nature of this eclipses anything I have ever seen before. Astonishing homogeneity of response across all continents and cultures, with very few exceptions.
Do not underestimate the role our communications technology has played in facilitating this. Most of us are exposed every day, and respond in kind, to a tsunami of information that previous generations would have found impossible to process.
For me that negates the cock up theory..The fact that all governments across the world have been incompetent in exactly the same way.That leaves the question of who is controlling our government and what for.It does sound fantastic but I can’t see any other explanation.
Isn’t the problem that all governments followed the reaction on social media which the MSM also followed. The problem is that the opinion on social media was largely dictated by all these Chinese bots, remember the 170,000 accounts from China deleted a couple of months ago that were found to have dictated policy in the UK. The deleted accounts are only the tip of the ice berg and there are millions more currently being used to dictate policy.
Bots on social media are the equivalent of artillery in WW1 or air power in WW2. WW3 is being fought primarily in the digital arena.
Considering the report of transverse myelitis in Oxford C-19 vaccine trial,perhaps interesting to publish a report of the same diseases in a case of C-19.There is supposed to be 3 cases of transverse myelitis in C-19 published according to the article.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7275168/
That’s interesting.
Vallance says you might be allowed to have it for Christmas, but only if you’re good.
In the US they seem to be very disappointed by the UK regulators according to this article. Perhaps explains the talking down recently of vaccine coming very soon in the US.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/20/human-trials-oxford-vaccine-hold-us-spinal-cord-disease-fears/
This article posted by Carrie is also very disturbing if you think the vaccine would be available soon
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/21/coronavirus-vaccine-patent.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200921Z1&mid=DM660562&rid=969575901
No wonder Belinda is smiling and laughing in all her interviews this year:
“A vaccine with those reaction rates could cause grave injuries in 1.5 billion humans if administered to ‘every person on earth.’ That is the threshold that Gates has established for ending the global lockdown.“
Good…or stupid?
And given the age of victims, probably many more that go undetected.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10220958574465603&id=1578426990
This is the sort of stuff that is being pumped out by Public Health in Ireland.
Hi all
Please could you get a few non-sceptics you know to complete this survey? It’s been produced by the former lead psychologist of Cambridge Analytica (I know!). It could be the first step to unpicking the mess HMG and the MSM have made of people’s heads.
We need at least 400 non-sceptics to complete it to get an idea of what’s going on. It would be great if you could aim to get 5 people each to do it.
Thanks a million.
Great work. I am not on good terms with any non-sceptics, so will need to make a big effort to convince any of them to assist.
Literally everyone I know in the real world is a non-sceptic…
You have chosen well. With only one honourable exception the best I can muster is a few borderline cases who go along to get along even after I’ve given them the full treatment. It’s been a real eye-opener actually, all other relationships I have with family or friends have been irrevocably diminished by this. Most of them I will never meet in person again (which they don’t yet realise).
It’s difficult. I have to put them in two camps. The ignorant who I could probably forgive long-term and the w***ers who I’ll happily never see again!
Strange world you inhabit. I know of no-one – NO-ONE – who isn’t suspicious of this shit
Where do u live? I may move there!
Weren’t you the guy previously trying to get us to log on to a rival forum? What happened to that?
You mean the forum that Toby was promoting every day because he didn’t have one?
Rival? We’re all on the same side.
Then list the questions in your survey here…
Yep…suspicious is the relevant word here.,
??
1. You are promoting a survey for “non sceptics” claiming their motivation is a mystery.
2. Rather than go to a non sceptic pro lockdown site to get people to complete the survey, you come to a sceptic site!
3. You don’t list the survey questions here, so encouraging sceptics from here to log on to the survey, to find out what it’s about.
4. You previously encouraged sceptics here to log on to a rival lockdown forum.
5. You claim not to have come across any fellow sceptics in your personal life, whereas nearly everyone here has.
I call all the above odd.
I never used the word mystery. I’m trying to use the scientific method to understand motivations. This site is pro-scientific method. This survey was designed by a leading behavioural scientist.
Have you looked at my website? I want to use sceptics to speak to their non-sceptic friends and family etc to change their minds. I’m not about to go on the Guardian and promote this. It’s readers of this site who can change minds one by one.
As I said, Toby was promoting my forum every day until he set up his own. We’re not rivals, we’re on the same side.
I’m very sorry but I don’t know any sceptics in the real world. I live in a small town and my family are non-sceptics. I work with non-sceptics.
Your trolling of me is definitely “odd”.
I repeat my question to you: what have you done to help end this nonsense?
And anyone who thinks that opinion surveys reflects the “scientific method” doesn’t understand science.
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What a demoralising thought for the sceptic community here…but nearly everyone who comes to this site seems to know at least one sceptic, so it’s odd you don’t.
OKUK
I worked 14 hours straight on this today. I have just sat down to relax and you’re doing this.
What have YOU done to stop this madness?????
List the survey questions here so we can see them without having to log on to the survey site. Why won’t you?
Why would I just list questions on this site? It’s a survey. Take the survey or don’t take it. It’s up to you. Don’t you want to help end this craziness?
Why would sceptics take a survey designed for non sceptics?
Why wouldn’t you list the questions here, given you are publicising it on a sceptics site but you are not expecting sceptics to visit the survey site?…at least I presume you aren’t. ..
You seem proud of your survey – can’t see why you wouldn’t share the questions.
The survey is for everyone, I’ve done it, and it allows a broad range of responses. A survey made for an echo chamber, like the YouGov ones, is useless as a way of understanding how people are thinking. Follow the link and answer the questions and you can get your point across.
That’s convenient except Lockdown Truth stated specifically at the outset it was a survey designed to find out how non-sceptics (“400” minimum no less) felt about issues related to Covid. Take it up with him if you think he was wrong about the target audience for his own survey.
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Nobody mentioned that till you did…and now you’ve mentioned it twice! Odd and odder. If you can explain why it’s so difficult for you to set out the survey questions here on Toby’s site, this would be easily resolved.
Thanks!
done it
I’ve done it and forwarded it, but as of a few weeks ago I no longer know anybody who is not sceptical to one degree or another.
I don’t know any non-sceptics. In fact I wouldn’t even talk to them, you can’t make them change their mind
How TF do you get through to a disciple? They want to be what they are. The alternative is heresy and having to do your own thinking.
Why are you promoting this?
I don’t understand your question.
I want to understand the motivations of non-sceptics. Only then we can focus on changing them. If I had £20 Billion pounds to spend it wouldn’t be so crucial but with zero budget we have to focus our resources.
And I’m promoting this because it is my project and I want to end this utter madness.
What are you doing about it?
You need a survey to tell you their motivations? But a lot of sceptics are going to click on your survey to find out what the questions are…why not just list the questions here? They will be of interest to real sceptics.
Any straightforward contributor here would have no problem listing the survey questions.
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Who lists survey questions on a forum?
You’re suggesting that I’m not a “straightforward contributor”. Have you looked at my advisory Board?
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I can do this. Since I am quite cowardly I am not open with everyone on my rabid scepticism, although I am getting bolder. Hence I can send this to a few people. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
Always about the vaccine and what comes with it.
Michael Yeadon makes it personal.
https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1308164533735821315?s=20
That’s a strong message all right. Be good if he actually reads it.
https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1308082772293103617
The whole twitter thread worth reading. An age protected strategy is urgently needed now.
“I worry the current suppression strategy will completely fail in the winter, due to increased transmission of C-19 and a few other reasons. Somewhat perversely, the strategy pursued until now maximises the risk of a large death toll in winter.”
The reason is that the more SD measures of the gov now, the more risk of spread later in the winter.
I don’t know if this was missed but the False Positives question was asked perfectly by one MP to Hancock
https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/ds-blog/false-positives/
https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne/status/1306516264500842496
Should be explosive stuff but most MPs must be scratching their heads.
ChiMPs at the chimps tea party.
https://twitter.com/FrancescoLari/status/1308019245951918085
“In the meantime France, with 10K+ cases/day, is RELAXING restrictions. Classes will be closed only if at least 3 children are positive at the same time. Quarantine has already been lowered to 7 days.”
“Sweden: always right. Other northern countries+Germany: saw Sweden was right now following it. France+Italy: masks to keep WHO happy, open everything. Spain: open everything/total lockdown in alternate weeks. UK: fear+lockdown till mates finish the vaccine and make ££££”
https://twitter.com/FrancescoLari/status/1308113910063656963
Masks to keep WHO happy is still totally unacceptable. From now on they are the WMO (World Mask Organisation).
just ignore their nonsense and go about your day and if you come into contact with the police it’s always the right thing to do by saying not a word to them, only speak with your lawyer. never say a word, ever. You’ll end up incriminating yourself even when you’re innocent. Unfortunately the police aren’t serving the public no more but are serving the tyrants that have taken over our parliament and therefore you can’t trust them. in fact you can’t trust anyone who takes a government job, from the police to the NHS to the council, maybe trust the fire brigade but after that, nah
Local beat (on foot in London if you can believe it, and not PCSOs either) tried to engage me the other day for a “friendly conversation”. I ignored them. If we cross paths again they will be issuing me with a Fixed Penalty Notice for not being a slave.
Whitty and Valance…could have been a good comedy duo act back in the 70s – sadly that style of comedy (exaggerated nonsense and taking the piss out of our French and Spanish neighbours) is now very dated.
Their names do have that ring about them, but there the similarity ends. Morecambe & Wise etc. did not obliterate a nation state, its people and its entire history.
They would have, though, in “these troubled times” — killing grannies around the country by causing a nationwide outbreak of that lethal (if unmasked) aerosol-lobbing “laughter” stuff.
Breaking. Carl and Sunetra have had the call.
Did we know this?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/21/fightback-against-spike-in-coronavirus-thrashed-out-at-no-10-summit
So it looks like there was a battle and Johnson sided with caution, thankfully.
Hence Whitty and Vallance just went and said whatever they wanted to cause more fear.
What a mess.
“Sided with caution”? Is this tonight’s script?
I’ve been doing more than this by default and to avoid mixing with zombies since March:
“people should again stay at home except for essential shopping and exercise and also avoid public transport.”
Khan is going for the jugular in London with masks everywhere in public, so this has to be a feature of tomorrow’s “cautious” approach.
Hotrod always does the same: comes on here with his one line scripted pro-lockdown sound bite (coupled with a bit of confuse a cat sceptic-sounding camouflage) before disappearing and never engaging in debate. In my experience real sceptics are only too happy to debate – we value free speech and the exchange of opinions. Tonight Hotrod’s scripted sound bite was “Johnson has sided with caution”. Absolute bollox. Johnson is risking total societal breakdown.
His could be her of course…
How many people in this comments section are for real? None of us will ever know for certain, but the percentage seems to me to be higher here, and freer from trolls, than anywhere I’ve ever come across. As conditions deteriorate, so will our exchanges, but for the last 6 months this has been something unusual.
I’m real! I’m real! I’m real! Baaa! Baaa!
Oh dear. I need to get reprogrammed. Back soon.
The vast majority of contributors are genuine here and happy to engage in free and sometimes robust debate. But I think a few more dubious commenters have been taking part recently. Not passionate pro lockdownists but propagandists trying to insert pro lockdown messages while posing as sceptics. It’s reasonable to call them out I think.
This kind of disagreement normally surfaces via the conspiracy/incompetence schism, which I can understand. I’ll gladly go all the way with the wildest speculation, so it is good to be reigned in every once in a while by a more level-headed approach. Weird is winning the Olympic gold medal of everything in 2020 though, so alternative thinking has never had a more nourishing environment.
Name them and give an exact breakdown of your thinking. Otherwise it’s just bullshit!
Tonight Hotrod told us Johnson had “sided with caution” but wrapped it up in sceptic-sounding verbiage. They did the same last night. Flew in and flew out and were careful to not respond to questions, same as tonight.
IMHO OKUK is a troll…
I haven’t seen anyone attack anyone so aggressively as they did me this evening even though I’m just doing my bit to stop all this nonsense…
If you’ve built the Covid-19 Assembly website, and the Lockdown Truth website as well, your efforts deserve huge credit. You’re doing more than I have, by a huge margin.
Bro i’ve not decided about you but you arse licking post for lockdown truth isn’t winning me over. He’s an obvious shill, like Bono and that other cunt, i can’t remember his name, he knows who he is, boring as fuck, comes over as all old but i just get the feeling you know?
You advertise a poll for non-sceptics on a sceptics site and you decline the opportunity to reproduce the questions from the survey here, so still encouraging sceptics here to go to your site. If you can explain that, go ahead…
i love a good bust up, can i add your forum was shite and i’ve found OKUK not to be a troll. You appeared and instantly tried to get folk to go to your piss poor site, seems suspicious to me. Oh and you’re dull as fuck, really fucking boring. Anyone who has the word truth in their name is man obvious cunt. Oh and posting on a forum isn’t doing a god damn thing. Take me for instance i’m not doing anything at all except ignoring the whole fucking thing and going about my day. Your life and what happens to it means less than nothing to me. Your posts say fuck all and they say it without any style or imagination whatsoever. What else? Oh yeah the kettles boiled
If anyone can find a previous Hotrod post that doesn’t wrap up a pro Lockdown soundbite in sceptic camouflage, I’d be interested to see it.
Hmmm,
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54242634
All pubs, bars, restaurants and other hospitality venues in England must have a 22:00 closing time from Thursday, to help curb the spread of coronavirus.
Well, just let me be the first to say (well, at 12:20am anyway) …
Just fuck off, Boris, Valence, Cummings, Whitty, et all … just fuck right off!
You illiterate, innumerate, lying, conniving bunch of arrogant, ignorant fucking nobs.
There – feels a tad better.
No mention of masks at all times with straws for drinking? Sounds like a minor victory.
Instead of having to shit through a mask and a straw at the same time, it seems (according to exclusive sources close to government), that we are going to be trusted to choose between the mask and the straw, unless we are in local lockdown areas. Praise be! Is not Hancock, and his master Boris, good to us! I think we should have a whip round and get them something nice as a token of gratitude.
How gracious of our wondrous masters to grant us such liberties. I’ll happily shit in someone else’s mask whilst they are still wearing it. Might even boost their flagging immune system to do so.
I think we all felt better for that!
And if it’s all about “saving lives” why are schools being kept open, turning every under 16 into a potential granny killer (on the government’s logic)?
And if graphs from other countries are so important, why won’t they show us the Swedish one?
If you had the choice to go back in time to January 2020 and live on an alternate timeline where things carried on pretty much as they were before, rather than this carnival of insanity and evil, would you take it?
I have considered this so many times, and I can honestly say that I would probably choose where we are right now. Boredom is non-existent. Every moment of every day is painfully electrifying, and completely unpredictable. I have never felt more restricted, yet at the same time never more alive, than right now.
Back to things as they were for me- no contest
I actually really enjoy life working from home, other than that everything is worse
I miss travelling. But I cannot imagine travelling anywhere in these conditions, so I no longer have any desire to do so.
Travelling is a basic freedom, it is a key feature of the ‘North American Dream’ which has been such a part of our culture, as Johnny Cash puts it;
Well, I know I had it comin’
I know I can’t be free
But those people keep a-movin’
And that’s what tortures me
I’ve been everywhere, man
Crossed the desert’s bare, man
I’ve breathed the mountain air, man
Centuries ago you had to have the permission of the Lord of the Manor to leave your village, the freedom to travel was hard won. The other great freedom is the freedom of association with family, friends and anyone you wish to meet. Both these freedoms were victims of lockdown and for me the loss of them, as with Johnny Cash ‘that’s what tortured me’. Are we about to loose those again? I guess we will find out later today?
I never thought it would be Boris Johnson who would take away so much of our fundamental basic freedoms!
what utter shite bro but if you can convince yourself that the destruction of everything that is holy is good then you must have had a shit life before this
Just seen this highlighted in UK Column news from earlier today. What’s this all about?
http://www.30days30ways.com/
NHS are advising people to prepare to flee their homes. What!?
It’s at the end of this UK Column broadcast – https://youtu.be/l4z-XZ8GhAI
Apparently deleted from Twitter very quickly. Not sure if if was legit or not. I am deeply concerned that words like “curfew” and “evacuation” are once again being normalised. We have witnessed the power of repetition taking its deadly effect all around us.
Seems legit https://twitter.com/wandbc/status/1307645934021554177
“Don’t worry, we’re not trying to scare you. This is part of our contribution to the #30days30waysUK campaign – a month-long national campaign.”
Translation:
“We know who you are, and where you live. If you are not with us, you will be crushed.”
I was last on this site a couple of months ago when I was suffering from an implosion of the mind due to a myriad of problems (all Lockdown/mask related) for which there appeared to be no solution.
However, there are always solutions. Some may not be nice, some may be difficult and some may be right under one’s nose (and no, I’m not talking about a mask).
I’m glad to say that I’m now able to see a mask wearer and not go medieval on their sorry hide. I’ve been out and about without getting arrested which is a good thing. I am able to deal graciously (relatively) with simpering, lockdownistas of my acquaintance without resorting to a snarling Tasmanian Devil.
Agreements have been made that lessens the likelihood of me turning green and ripping my clothes to pieces before going, yep you guessed it, all medieval on their sorry arse.
I am now in a happy place of controlled, simmering agression that can be alleviated with the words, “Down boy. Good dog.” and the like.
Now that I have quelled the demons and quenched the fire. What have I missed?
Can I ask what maybe a simplistic/naive/scaremongering question re masks; Do ISP 13485-2016 and the like 3 ply Disposable Protective Masks shed fibres on the inside caused by facial movements. If so these would then be inhaled and will they do harm to the lungs? If so are we setting up another Asbetsosis like calamity?
Would appreciate your thoughts.
Many thanks
Neil