In an interview with the Telegraph, Shadow Energy Secretary Ed Miliband revealed his plan to lift the ban on building new onshore wind farms if Labour wins the General Election. Here’s an excerpt:
The Shadow Energy Secretary pledged a Labour Government will overturn planning rules that currently require local community support to approve proposed turbines.
If he wins office he plans to use a ministerial “written statement” to remove an obligation in the national planning policy framework for community concerns to be “appropriately addressed”, a stipulation that has effectively blocked onshore wind projects for a decade.
The onshore wind ban was introduced by then-Prime Minister Lord Cameron in 2015, who was so worried by the backlash from Nimbys over a rash of planned wind farms that he gave local communities across England the right to block them.
“The onshore wind ban was a deeply unfair measure… and we want to lift it,” Mr. Miliband told the Telegraph. “At the moment, it’s easier to build an incinerator than it is to build an onshore wind development.”
Those plans are certain to generate a backlash, as they already have in Wales where the Labour Government has created zones called “pre‑assessed areas for wind energy”.
Mr. Miliband said: “People have different views on the onshore wind ban but we’re going to lift it.
“According to the Resolution Foundation, it [the ban] has cost poorer households six times more as a proportion of their income than middle-class households. And we’re going to get the fairness thing right.”
The zoning system in Wales means vast tracts of countryside have been deemed suitable for wind farms, whatever locals might think.
That has prompted a surge in planning applications for giant wind turbines up to 800ft tall, two to three times larger than any yet built in the principality.
Protest groups have sprung up everywhere from Anglesey in the north to Powys in the south. Similar battles are being fought across the Scottish highlands against both turbines and electricity pylons.
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Typo alert: Miliband not Milliband
Millimind?
Millipede
I doubt this will be the end of the desecration of our country. Despite the anticipated proliferation of windmills etc there will be lots of newly arrived well off middle class residents in rural areas who feign praise for them.
Teachers, retired by 60- you know the sort.
I don’t think they will like the reality. Both visual or aural.
And all, apparently, to reduce a trace gas that makes up 0.4% of our atmosphere and of which the UK contributes less than 1% of the worlds total. Yeah, right, makes perfect sense.
It’s actually 0.04% of the atmosphere. A tiny tiny percentage of what we breathe in.
Man-made CO2 allegedly makes up 3% of the 0.04% of the CO2 in the earth’s atmosphere and the UK is allegedly responsible for 1% of that.
A Nut Zero UK will mean bugger all in atmospheric terms. Sod all.
And only 28% of that 3% of 0.04% comes from generating electricity from fossil fuels.
Yes everyone knows that or at least should know it already but still they are going to put an X in a box and invite this piece of crap Miliband into the office of Net Zero and Energy Security. —-I am of the opinion that the UK voters maybe are going to get what they deserve after this election, which is electric bills going through the roof and the whole Green Blob crushing all economic activity out of the country.
Thanks for the correction. Even more nonsensical than I thought then!
But… for every GW of wind/solar added, a GW of gas capacity has to be added as back-up.
No matter how many windmills there are, they will only operate when wind conditions are right… that means at most 30% of the time.
Germany has more than three times the number of wind turbines that the UK has but still, on.y 30% max supply.
That means gas has to supply the 70% that wind turbines cannot, and be ready to plug the intermittency gaps when wind conditions are not right.
So a dual electricity generating system emitting more CO2 than it would with just gas, since intermittent use of gas plants is inefficient using more gas. And all the cost that implies.
And the Miliblob has not addressed the issue of grid infrastructure needed to carry and deliver the increased load to point of use.
Sense does not come into it. Green ideology isn’t about making sense. It is Eco communism that seeks to control the worlds wealth, resources and YOU. The country is about to enter into suicide mode by electing this human turd labour party into power.
“We will finally abolish the green and pleasant land!” vows Milliband, “It’s deeply unfair to illegal immigrants cramped into combustible tower blocks that trees are allowed to grow in the countryside. Only our party is committed to cover the home counties with concrete. Vote Labour to end structual racism!”
I don’t think Millibrain has the slightest idea where this is going. Does he really think overriding local views, pricing people out of cars and holidays, doubling domestic power bills and still delivering regular power cuts is going to win people over?
It will end in tears. If I was associated with the Labour Party I would already be planning a ‘get out’ route (both intellectually and physically).
I have an idea where this is going. The background to the 2029 election will be like that of the 1974 election: working (or not) from home by candlelight. The big difference will be the young who find that candles don’t charge smartphones.
An election in 2029?
Clinging to the final remnants of our corrupted ‘democracy?’
Our salvation will not arrive via the ballot box.
It wont come from AK47’s either…
Mass civil disobedience is the only way to begin change. How that change evolves is impossible to predict, but no meaningful change will ever take place whilst so many people still mistakenly believe they wield power by attending the systems chosen avenue of controlled dissent. I’d gladly be proven wrong, but I’d urge others to consider that we don’t have the time to be wrong. The likelihood is that by the time enough people realise that they’ve made a crucial mistake, and once again been hoodwinked by their self-appointed masters, it’ll be too late. The time to disobey is now, and disobedience via the ballot box will not be seen as disobedience.
Bows, arrows and slingshot then.
He’s promising city dwellers cheaper electricity by shafting people living in rural areas.
And everyone will end up paying a lot more for a lot less
More windmills means more subsidies need to be paid which means higher prices. That should be obvious from the past as rising prices have correlated with rising number of wind-driven generators so far. This would be a good question for Mr Edstone (Someome remembering this?): We keep building windmills, yet, prices keep rising. How exactly is this supposed to change?
In the 1750s the Dutch planned to drain the Haarlemmermeer using 150 windmills and expecting to take 3 years. This proved too expensive so instead of 150 windmills 3 Cornish Beam Engines were used and the Haarlem Lake was drained in 3 year.
The blowing up coal plants while virtue signalling didn’t help.
You will know from your own country though that wind isn’t cheap.
Millibrain
Excellent
“overriding local views”
In the New World Order local views are irrelevant. What an outdated way of thinking.
Do you recall the Vajont Dam disaster where local knowledge was ignored by the Dam ‘experts’, or did I mean damn experts? Much the same mind set as the following?
“Government in the future will be based upon . . . a supreme office of the biosphere. The office will comprise specially trained philosopher/ecologists. These guardians will either rule themselves or advise an authoritarian government of policies based on their ecological training and philosophical sensitivities. These guardians will be specially trained for the task”
David Shearman An IPCC Assessor for 3rd and 4th climate change reports:
“Democracy is not a panacea. It cannot organize everything and it is unaware of its own limits. These facts must be faced squarely. Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”
Club of Rome
Many thanks for that
“elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”
We should be so lucky.
Quite, and their competency should not extend to deciding how society is shaped, or governance. Apologies for the repeat quotes but they become more and more relevant. What is sobering is that these quotes were written some decades ago implying the situation we are in was visible back then.
“No government has the right to decide on the truth of scientific principles, nor to prescribe in any way the character of the questions investigated. Neither may a government determine the aesthetic value of artistic creations, nor limit the forms of literacy or artistic expression. Nor should it pronounce on the validity of economic, historic, religious, or philosophical doctrines. Instead it has a duty to its citizens to maintain the freedom, to let those citizens contribute to the further adventure and the development of the human race.”
Richard Feynman
“We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.”
Carl Sagan
see above!
But you gotta remember that 70% of voters get their news from the BBC and the BBC are climate change activists. How many people come home from work , feed the kids and then start discussing Socialist think tanks like the Club of Rome? ———–Very few. There are probably less people doing that that the amount of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere. What hope is there when people just walk into being ruled by Technocratic Dictatorship at the UN/WEF because all they can be bothered doing is switching on the 6 O’Clock news for their information?
I totally agree with your point of view, but as a pedantic Chemist I just have to say that there will definitely be fewer people doing that than there are CO2 molecules in the atmosphere, given that 1 mole of the gas contains 6.022×10^23 molecules (Avogadro’s Constant).
Unfortunately the demise of national news at regular times has atomised the dissemination of information biased or otherwise. When there was news at regular times, which most people would have watched, this allowed for general discussions on whatever was going on. With the advent of MSN, which emphasised the ability to tailor the news to what you wanted, news topics became increasingly atomised with some not even being noticed. I watched an old black and white political discussion on TV involving car workers from Dagenham, it might have been in the 1960s. They were all relatively well spoken (no hint of estuary dialect), eloquent and thoughtful.
I get the impression that many now are not that interested in discussing the complexities of the world, unless that is the impression the MSM want me to have?
Vajont is a shocking story. I know someone from near there who put me
on it.
And we all know exactly what happens in a fully planned command economy. Stupidity is doing the same thing several times and expecting a different outcome! How can these idiots be so stupid? They are either communists or politicians, and the two get more similar every day!
I think he knows 100% what he’s doing. As do the Con Servatives and all people pulling the strings. The goal is to advance socialism through a number of different, seemingly unrelated, pathways. This pathway is a very simple one – to make it crystal clear that the state is no longer going to pretend to be subjects of the people. They need you to accept, without question, that the state knows best.
Alok Sharma’s just got a very lucrative “job” with the Rockefeller Foundation …. to continue with the environmental and economic destruction he carried out in the UK.
I think Milibrain knows exactly where this is going ….. for him.
This presumably is what Labour might refer to as “democracy” in action, otherwise known as F. You.
Doesn’t matter how many you build, if the wind doesn’t blow in the correct range for them to work. Fortunately, there will be a day when the turbines fall, and once we’ve broken up the obscene amount of concrete foundations and restored our island to what it was. Sorry to say Milliband’s stupidity and corruption will not come to an end until he is the wrong side of the grass.
The foundations for each turbine will require deep reinforced concrete (GHG source) foundations.
Most blades are made with fibreglass-reinforced polyester or epoxy (oil derived plastic). Carbon fibre (oil derived) or aramid (Kevlar) is also used as reinforcement material.
To reach a Carbon free world we will need Carbon Fibre.
It has been noticed that oil is used and as oil is automatically a bad thing you can guess that the alternatives to oil will be plants.
There needs to be a new classification for a type of mental illness that is displayed here, although I guess it is delusion?
….. or possibly a phrase used when I qualified as a teacher back in the early 70’s when it was permissible to describe someone as ESN (Educationally Subnormal)!
Probably more something like I get paid to claim to believe what I say.
Pure Evil
And if that doesn’t work, the Labour Government can take away their access to banking and finance.
Has he any idea of the noise these things produce especially low frequency.
People murder their neighbours for less.
I remember they put one outside Sainsbury’s on the Richmond Road in Kingston, where the gasworks used to be. You could walk right past it. The noise was quite frightening. I’m sure the noise carried all over the fairly residential surrounding neighborhood all night. That wasn’t even a very large one.
Private Eye used to take the piss out of Miliband. Comrade Millie Band. I wonder if they still do.
The country with the most wind turbines is Germany. ——-Oh yippeee isn’t that great? Actually no it isn’t great, infact it is a disaster. Germany have destroyed their economy and Industrial base by having some of the highest electricity prices in the world. Now the person who gave us the Climate Change Acy in 2008 is about to get his grubby eco socialist hands on energy policy for the next 5 years and instead of learning from the German disaster the imbecile will double down on the absurdity and pretend to save the planet even harder with turbines bursting out of every hilltop and up every shoreline. —–Yipeeee I want my electricity bill to double and the smart meter to ration all I use because the wind cannot provide enough of it because it is only part time energy. Incase no one noticed, when the wind stops which is often all of the turbines stop, and when the wind blows to hard, all of the turbines stop. Watch out for this cretinous goon Miliband on BBC and SKY telling us we are going to get all this cheap clean energy, then stand back folks and watch your bill skyrocket. ——But never mind we will all get a nice warm glow inside that we saved the world from a little bit of imaginary warming conjured up by the government funded data adjusters.
The populace will have to get physical.
Nuclear is the way forward, specifically with small modular reactors (proven by submarine crews for decades) as Nigel Farrage and the Reform Party have pointed out.
A few months ago they interviewed people in Amsterdam. The Green Party is in charge, and the people on the street all thought wind farms were a good idea, but should be in the rural parts of the country…NIMB….
Close to Amsterdam there is a nature park around a lake. The citizens have been fighting and winning the battle (in court) to stop 3 wind turbines being built. The local authorities are now adamant they will build one turbine, for which they don’t need planning as it is only one….vindictive or what?
I definitely would not want one close to me! Ugly, noisy, irritating shadow of the turning blades.
I suggest we put one in Milibands backyard and see how he copes.
It really should not be about what is pretty. ——It should be about affordable reliable energy, and I am afraid that as well as not being pretty, wind turbines do not provide affordable reliable energy. So they have nothing going for them at all
Miliband. The most dangerous man in the UK today, so much so he should be number one on the police’s most wanted list for crimes against humanity.
This folks will be the nail in the coffin. The Uk is nearly finished. Just a shove/push by Labour on behalf of the WEF, and it will be over. Prepare.
Miliband was a menace when he held a similar post under the last Labour Government. The easy money he made available led to the proliferation of noisy and unsightly wind turbines. I campaign on noise issues. Many communities are still living with the noise of these turbines. A lot of these communities are rural and poor. The last thing they want is the orgre rampaging through the countryside again taking on ‘Wind Farm Nimbys from Day One.’
Has boy Millipede not seen how small a fracking site is compared to the area required for a wind farm, and that fracking sites don’t emit low-frequency sound (LF) and infrasound (IS) that is detrimental to human health?
A birds and bats not that he cares two hoots (pun intended) so long as he gets his pet project carried out. He really really is up the wall.