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How to Express Conservative Views Without Causing a Row

by Joanna Gray
11 June 2024 1:08 PM

A Dutch gentleman hit me on the head with his bunched fist when I said I voted for Brexit. This bracing political exchange took place the day after Brexit at a party hosted by Remainers; it was supposed to be celebratory. The house in West London was full, and I remember only one other who admitted to having voted with the winning majority. Apparently, the thump on the head was a ‘joke,’ but the episode still makes me hesitate about sharing my political views. My heart palpitates and my tongue cleaves to the roof of my mouth when someone asks my opinion – am I brave enough to say what I really think?

By inclination I’m a Thatcherite in that I “don’t argue, I explain” and believe myself and my opinions to be right. It is an aggravating trait I have been told. Since the thumping episode, I’ve learned six prompts to help me during this general election express myself in ways that won’t invite physical violence.

  1. Understand that in General Elections people generally vote the same way as their parents and families. To suggest the other political parties are morally reprehensible, batty or grasping socialists is to suggest that people’s beloved parents and grandparents are likewise. Therefore, never insult the other team.
  2. Emote. People on the Right tend to prefer thinking to emoting, but relying on rational thought can come across as being ‘superior’ and no-one likes that. Swap “I think” for “I feel” – it immediately reminds the other person you are human too. Rather than saying “Emily Thornberry is demonstrably a hypocrite where education policy is concerned…” say, “Like Emily Thornberry, I feel for the plight of working-class children, but I feel they would be better helped by… etc etc”.
  3. Empathise with your opponent’s fears: “I agree with you that voting for Reform feels reckless somehow, but continuing with the status quo frightens me more.”
  4. Inquire. Reach out for your opponent’s help – people love giving advice. Ask politely, “What would you do? I’m conservative by inclination and feel the Government has let all of us down, whom do you think I should vote for?”
  5. Joke. Once you’ve made your voting intention public, immediately lessen its impact with a joke: “I know, I’m ashamed too. Like a dog returning to its vomit, I shall be voting Conservative.”
  6. Anticipate you will be called a fascist/deplorable nevertheless. When the insult inevitably comes, smile inwardly and understand you have won the argument.

Joanna Gray is a writer and confidence mentor.

Tags: ConservatismConservative PartyDemocracyGeneral Election 2024IntoleranceMargaret Thatcher

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago

Thanks for the advice, but I don’t think I will be taking any of it.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

You beat me to it tof.

More than ever I now believe that if my opinion is worth voicing I might as well let rip. This is particularly difficult if I am stuck with a bunch of intelligent idiots but by and large I don’t care what people think of me or my views anymore.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Letting rip is both good for the soul and the gastrointestinal system, my philosophy being, “better out than in”, as you know.
Just so long as you’re not “stuck with a bunch of intelligent idiots” in a lift then all will be well.😶

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Thanks Mogs 👍

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stewart
stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Intelligent, highly educated idiots are a very difficult lot to reason with. The thinking part of their brains are buried beneath so many layers of bullshit there is never time to dig through it all in a conversation to be able to get anywhere.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

When I have tried to engage, I am treated like a mad uncle, called a conspiracy theorist or compared to Hitler, or I just get embarrassed silence. I get the impression most of them never encounter anyone who disagrees with them on anything political.

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stewart
stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

It must be my personality, but I enjoy riding normies up with ideas they find crazy or beyond the pale. My conviction that they are the ones who are poor ignorant souls isn’t something they get.to ignore easily.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

I will speak my mind frankly when the subjects come up but I don’t push them any more – I am afraid I ran out of patience.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Same here tof.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

Well put. Totally agree.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago

Meanwhile, look at this tosser ( both figuratively and literally ), as things have obviously moved up a notch from milkshake assaults for Nigel Farage. These Left-wing extremists sure are easily triggered aren’t they?

”A left wing “activist” has been arrested for throwing rocks and rubble at politician Nigel Farage.

This is becoming a regular occurrence by Left Wing activists against politicians who are right wing.”

https://x.com/KosherCockney/status/1800502953327181831

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Indeed – Mr Farage was obviously not empathetic enough – perhaps he should read and follow the advice in this article 🙂

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

https://x.com/GoldingBF/status/1800447210154578268

What we might call “one stop policing.”

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

More tossers and anti-social mouth-breathers. It does make me laugh how I’m seeing no trouble at all from the phantom menace that is the ”right-wing extremists” ( the police have to invent ‘crimes’ instead, such as a guy printing anti-immigration stickers ), instead all the aggression, hostility, intimidation and trouble-making is coming from the Leftard/Muslim side. Again, see how triggered they are, over a flaming flag this time. That’ll be the flag of the country they’re in!

”Far-left activists throw rocks at an apartment with a French flag in the window as they march through the streets of Nantes, France after the EU election saw left-wing parties suffer staggering defeats.”

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1800539000190665120

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

That is the end point of the march through the institutions, French people attacking their own flag. When it comes to so called far right protests, the Police have to resort to Kettling, the agent provocateurs they are.

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RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

One of the ‘protestors’ is actually tearing it off and throwing it to the ground while the crowd is cheering and waving the Antifa-flag (among others). Obviously, they also have a Palestinian flag (pictured earlier).

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

While the guys actions are reprehensible and out of order, he doesn’t look to me anything other than one of life’s ‘also-rans’ who seized the moment presented. Fortunately for the police he is obviously Anglo-Saxon, and so they could jump on the poor bugger and get him in handcuffs sharpish. Other outcomes were possible. Good on Nigel for going out and campaigning. It did look like many people there were pleased to see him.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Vid was taken down for some reason, but found it elsewhere;

https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1800493855495847973

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Claphamanian
Claphamanian
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

An ex-mayor of Bristol said on yesterday’s BBC Newsnight that Farage had ’caused division’ and had to take ‘some responsibility’.

Blame the victim. Except that Farage cannot be a victim (for the obvious reason).

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Epi
Epi
1 year ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Oh dear – “This post has been deleted”!

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rocky44
rocky44
1 year ago

Hmm……..’confidence mentor’. But not confident enough to express her own opinions?

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pgstokes
pgstokes
1 year ago

This is how women work together in groups – don’t challenge, sympathise, apologise even if you’re right, smile and don’t rock the boat.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
1 year ago
Reply to  pgstokes

…then bitch about it on Facebook to all your friends…

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago

Off-T

Courtesy of Dr Mike Yeadon.

There is no product checking, no surveillance of medicines. The FDA are using addresses that are basically Mail drops only. Now if this is true – more likely than not – what’s the betting something similar is happening in the UK? The MHRA is after all just an “enanbler” now.

https://bailiwicknews.substack.com/p/on-fda-buildings-as-virtual-mailboxes?triedRedirect=true

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soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago

From the new Conservative GE Manifesto:

We will back up renewables and prevent the

prospect of blackouts with new gas power

stations to maintain a safe and reliable energy

source for days when the weather doesn’t

power up renewables. Conservatives know

that if we are forced to choose between clean

energy and keeping citizens safe and warm, we

will choose to keep the lights on.

No, that’s real.

Yes, it says that if the choice is between clean energy or warmth the Conservatives will choose… something else. Light.

At least they acknowledge the potential that the solar and wind power generation might fail at times. However, with that in mind why not use nuclear power? Then there won’t be so much need for unreliable sources of power.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  soundofreason

Marvellous isn’t it, 2024 and we are wondering if our next government will allow us to put the lights on or boil a kettle?

How low can we go?

FFS!

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soundofreason
soundofreason
1 year ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

No, I think it says that at times you may not be able to boil the kettle, but you’ll always be allowed to turn the lights on…

At least, I think that’s what it says. Probably candles.

Last edited 1 year ago by soundofreason
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misslawbore
misslawbore
1 year ago
Reply to  soundofreason

No real energy plan is it? Woolly. Without ambition No nuclear, no fracking. There will be no much needed growth with such a policy. We now await the Labour version tomorrow, probably a watered down version of the above.

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JXB
JXB
1 year ago

“How to Express Conservative Views Without Causing a Row”
That’s the point!

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The old bat
The old bat
1 year ago

What annoys me is that few people seem keen to have a rational discussion about whatever is the ‘current thing’ (but most likely to be covid, net zero, Trump, immigration, Farage etc, you get the picture). I had a member of my own family almost screaming at me when I quietly explained that I didn’t believe in AGW. I found it both alarming and upsetting and it has ruined our relationship. (Mind you, he didn’t like what I said about Trudeau either…)
It might be the cowards way, but I tend to only discuss current ‘things’ with like minded people. It’s far more interesting and not so bad for my blood pressure.

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stewart
stewart
1 year ago
Reply to  The old bat

To the question, what can any of us really do about all this woke and climate madness, the answer is just that: confront normies with a better set of facts and opinions, however uncomfortable the experience might be.

It’s not only the one thing every one of us can do, it’s pretty much the only thing.

There are many reasons to do it.

First it disabuses them of the idea that everyone thinks the way they do.
Second it disabuses them of the idea that only looneys and racist radicals think this way.
Thirdly it presents them with facts and ideas that they probably never hear.
Lastly eventually it will male them think. Perhaps not right there and then, perhaps not immediately but eventually it will. And more so if they hear it again, which at some point they will. Repetition works.

If we don’t stand up for ourselves, who the hell will?

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
1 year ago
Reply to  stewart

In general I agree, but regarding this:

“Second it disabuses them of the idea that only looneys and racist radicals think this way.”

My impression is that a fair few of my colleagues and former friends and acquaintances now think I am a loony racist radical. I don’t hold them in high regard either TBH.

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NickR
NickR
1 year ago

Most people I speak to are ‘low information’ voters. They’ve no idea what the budget deficit is, no idea about our national debt or any idea what the consequences of such debt is. They don’t know annual immigration/emigration numbers. They have no idea about the composition of our energy mix, what it needs to be to achieve net-zero, or how that impacts on macro & micro economics. Consequently, the level of debate you can have is at such a facile level you’re better off talking about the football.

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Marque1
Marque1
1 year ago
Reply to  NickR

Sadly the only thing I know about football is that the ball is round. I am quite happy to keep it that way.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  NickR

Exactly.

Political ignorance in this country is staggering. Those relying on el Beeb for news are a lost cause.

Imagine being with a physics graduate who believes that the solution to all our woes is a bicycle. Starting a conversation about the weather or climate and she goes to auto response:

“I’m not interested” or “I don’t want to know.”

And she’s not a kid either.

Talk about ignorance is bliss.

Last edited 1 year ago by huxleypiggles
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Claphamanian
Claphamanian
1 year ago
Reply to  NickR

These people are flotsam and jetsam moved by a riptide of the feelings that Ms Gray talks about. They lack the curiosity to learn much.

No wonder they can be gulled at every election. Democracy working wonderfully to enable a change of political party but not a change of the ruling power.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
1 year ago

There’s no point.

I’ve come to accept that objective truth is not that far up in most person’s hierarchy of beliefs. That can be true even if they are capable of critical analysis.

Quite sad really.

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MichaelM
MichaelM
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon Mors

I believe that any half-intelligent person with any interest in “what’s going on” should be driven by a pursuit of truth and understanding. If they are not, and prefer to virtue signal or indulge in woke mind-games, say, then f**k’em, as they say.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
1 year ago
Reply to  MichaelM

But most people aren’t driven by a pursuit of truth and understanding. Most people live in their own narrative, that would typically be a subset of a more general narrative. ‘Social truth’ IS the truth as far as they are concerned.

In a way, I have said ‘f*** **’, as I engage with most individuals in a guarded manner, trying to take such pleasure as I can in casual banter.

There are perhaps at most 5 people that I am reasonably open with about my views, including my wife. The others are sufficiently within my Overton window for it not to be a huge issue, and some are people that I can afford to lose as acquaintances.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  MichaelM

Seconded 👍

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EppingBlogger
EppingBlogger
1 year ago

Point out how irrational it is to keep voting for the same people, who have been a disaster, and expect a good outcome next time.

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago

In other words, the advice is “Be a Wimp”.

My advice to Joanna Gray is “The next time a Dutch gentleman hits you on the head with his fist, whack him square on the nose with yours. Or if he’s too tall and you’re only little, kick him in the shins.”

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Marque1
Marque1
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

Nads. More effective.

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RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  Marque1

Kicking against the shin is going to be effective enough and it’s easier to hit with sufficient force. Best done with serious footwear.

🙂

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Marque1
Marque1
1 year ago
Reply to  RW

I’ll stick to the old ways. Grip and twist or yank is also good.

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RW
RW
1 year ago
Reply to  Marque1

Bit technical now: It’s possible to produce a dent in the shin bone by blunt force, say, kicking against it standard issue military boots, German ones at least (probably even nicer with a steel toecap, pointed high heels should also work nicely). This is exceedingly painful and will require about the same amount of self-control to ignore than a kick in the nuts (I’m speaking from two-way experience, ie, both on the hitting and on the receiving end). With some luck, one might even be able to fracture or break it which will certainly immobilise the target (and very uncomfortably so). And the shin is easy to hit even if one’s opponent is (possibly a lot) taller, something which will more commonly happen to women than to men.

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  Marque1

I’m sure Joanna Gray will appreciate all these detailed instructions from you & RW & Arborvitae on how to deal with irate Dutchmen! 🙂

Last edited 1 year ago by Heretic
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Arborvitae23
Arborvitae23
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

I was taught self-defence by an ex army instructor (my dad).
Punching with your fist and being accurate is difficult and painful for a novice.
Use the heel of your hand and aim for the face or abdomen.

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Heretic
Heretic
1 year ago
Reply to  Arborvitae23

Now that is a much better idea than mine about fists— heel of the hand. I hope Joanna Gray is taking note of all the useful suggestions on here. 🙂

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RTSC
RTSC
1 year ago
Reply to  Heretic

I’d aim rather higher than that. A few inches below his belly button!

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ELH
ELH
1 year ago
Reply to  RTSC

Even a light blow to the front of the neck/throat area is exceedingly uncomfortable/painful. Just a thought.

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
1 year ago

Invasion Of The West by A Lily Bit.
https://www.alilybit.com/p/the-invasion-of-the-west?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=754880&post_id=145494421&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=16enov&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

Excellent link Ron. And in his next article we find this:

Carroll Quigley, mentor to Bill Clinton and member of the Council on Foreign Relations, once candidly admitted:

“The powers of financial capitalism had [a] far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland; a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.”

This group of elites is united by a particular ideology, which could even be described as a cult-like religion. They envision a world order akin to that described in Plato’s Republic, where they rule as philosopher kings. They see themselves as chosen by fate, destiny, or genetics to rule over the rest of us. They believe that they are the wisest and most capable individuals humanity has to offer, and that they have the power to create chaos and order out of thin air and mold society to their will.”

Many of us on here had worked this out for ourselves but such confirmation is still eye-opening.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
1 year ago

The cars that ate net-zero
Some years ago back in our ‘avant-garde’ days we watched a film called ”The Cars that Ate Paris”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cars_That_Ate_Paris
When it comes to talking to people about current issues, the one that really hits home is cars, many despite following the uni-party line on so many issues, can see that the current agenda threatens their cars.
Cars represent so much more than utilitarian transport, they are the way so many ordinary folk have become like the local Squire on his prancing steed, they represent freedom, equality and independence. The current agenda challenges all of that and people will not take it lying down, the popularity of You Tube sites like’ ‘Geoff Buys Cars”
https://www.youtube.com/@GeoffBuysCars
demonstrate the key place cars have in the lives of so many people.

Whatever their political persuasion, many people I talk to are horrified by the prospect that the new order will take away their cars. I am not sure that the cars issue will totally eat Net-Zero but many people on all sides of politics will rise up strongly when they realise that Net-Zero is coming to ‘eat their cars’.

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ELH
ELH
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I have been thinking that having an EV is much more like having a horse for transport (than an ICE car): needs to be recharged overnight, variable range, will wear out quite quickly, doesn’t like cold, cannot be easily or quickly or cheaply repaired, (not sure the analogy goes as far as can both catch on fire spontaneously), will probably be dumped in a country lane when they cannot no longer function. (Or have to pay the knacker man to take them away.)

On the other hand female horses are renewable in a sense that they can have a foal so better in fact..

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Claphamanian
Claphamanian
1 year ago

In conversation with Gen Zers and Gen Alphas about the election, it is obvious that their binary view (me woke, you fascist) cannot be altered by the emulsifier of feelings. Nor will they be voting as their (‘closet racist, fruitcake, loony’) parents did.

In being nice and a fountain of feelings but still ending up being called a fascist, you haven’t won anything. Only satisfied your own feelings. Being self-depreciating, you have made yourself vulnerable to people who most certainly do not believe in free speech. Unless that means being free to agree with them.

I lost count of the number of people who asked me how I was going to vote or how I had voted in the EU referendum. When told that it was a secret ballot they said, in an accusatory tone, I must be voting leave, clearly believing that it was a political crime. Not that any of these people knew any more about the EU than they accused leavers of having.

One young person who I was in conversation with about the general election didn’t know that general elections are a constitutional necessity every five years. One other thought that all political parties were the same but couldn’t explain why this is so.

In conversation with such people, adopt the position of a Martian observer sent to oversee the general election. Make comments that are like gently dropping a pebble into a still pond. For example, if the Gen Z wants to ‘get the Tories out’, suggest that Starmer looks too Tory. Result: the Z may vote to reduce the Labour majority.

Or suggest that if the Z wants the Tories out, point out that in a two-party system one party has to collapse before another takes its place, the old Liberal Party being replaced in the early 20th century. Result: the Z is more likely to vote for the candidate most likely to defeat the Tory one, even if the Z doesn’t like them.

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ELH
ELH
1 year ago
Reply to  Claphamanian

Asking for their definition of fascism is useful I have found.

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varmint
varmint
1 year ago

How about just telling the truth. ——–Here are a few examples (1) Capitalist countries are wealthier. (2) The countries with the most wind power have the highest prices. (3) People know best how to spend their own money. (4) The best governments are the ones that govern the least.

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misslawbore
misslawbore
1 year ago

It’s not fun being called bigoted when all I said was “this is a Christian country” and that to us Easter is more important than Ramadan and rainbow flags. I was told to get a life, that Christianity is now only one element of a multi faith society, that I am decades out of date, and my kind are dinosaurs. Oh and that he did not think I was worthy of being considered one of his company’s customers (he knows I have been one for 14 years). This from a senior white middle aged manager of a large car hire company at Heathrow with a strong DIE policy, they had ramadan bunting up in their building and at other times rainbow flags.

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RTSC
RTSC
1 year ago

So “I feel you are a brainwashed moron” is better than “I think you’re a brainwashed moron.”

Right?

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