The Energy Secretary Claire Coutinho has been warned by MPs that heat pumps are currently too costly for many households. The Telegraphhas more.
The Government must urgently make low-carbon heating systems cheaper if it wants to reach its goal of Net Zero emissions by 2050, according to a report by the Public Accounts Committee (PAC).
Almost all of the U.K.’s 28 million households must ditch their gas boilers and decarbonise their heating systems for ministers to achieve their goal of Net Zero emissions.
Nearly a fifth (18%) of all U.K. greenhouse gas emissions come from heating the nation’s homes, the vast bulk of it from burning natural gas.
The Government wants to phase out gas boilers by 2035 and the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero (DESNZ) has a target for Britain to be installing 600,000 heat pumps per year by 2028, up from just 55,000 in 2021.
But high costs for households mean uptake has so far been slow and the Government is not on track to meet this target.
The PAC report said: “The cost of buying and running heat pumps is a substantial barrier to take-up for most households, at a time when incomes are already stretched.”
An average heat pump costs £11,600, four times more than a gas boiler.
The Government aims to reduce heat pump installation costs by 25% by 2025, but so far they have only fallen by 6% since 2021.
The PAC report said: “Costs need to come down much quicker.”
Heat pumps are also more expensive to run than traditional boilers because they use electricity, which costs more than gas, the report said.
The costs are so high that Government grants are likely only being used by rich people.
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Virologist who fled China says Beijing is lying about COVID — and she has the evidence to prove it ‘It comes from the lab— the lab in Wuhan and the lab is controlled by China’s government’
A Chinese virologist who escaped to the United States earlier this year claims the coronavirus is man-made — and she says she has the evidence to prove it.
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, who was formerly based in Hong Kong, explained on British talk show “Loose Women” last Friday that she was one of the first Chinese scientists to conduct research on the novel virus. She claimed the Chinese government, which is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, is lying to the world about the origins of COVID-19.
Officially, the Chinese government claims the virus originated from a wet market in Wuhan. But Yan called the claim a “smokescreen” — and said the virus actually came from the infamous Wuhan bio lab.
“It comes from the lab— the lab in Wuhan and the lab is controlled by China’s government,” Yan said.
Yan, who holds both an MD and a PhD, said she obtained her intelligence about the virus from the Chinese CDC and local doctors on the ground in China.
I emailed Covid19Assembly a couple of weeks ago and have heard nothing more except for a brief acknowledgement. Has anyone been able to become involved?
I did too, funnily enough, and got no response at all. I assumed it was because I asked them, before proceeding further, to clarify who their leaders, trustees and advisers are, what their corporate status is, and what their source of funding is. Their website still reveals none of these things, which you might think it would be important to set out before asking people to donate their time and money. I assume it’s a bright idea which someone dashed off a few web pages for and then lost interest.
Perhaps someone reading these comments is able to provide that information?
Thanks, I’ll buy the print version to read over breakfast. First paper I’ll have bought since March as a little reward for the Mail telling some of the truth at last.
The comments give hope as well. Is the tide now turning? The DM is read by thousands of people,even up here in Sturgeon land.
I found young father Sherwin Hall’s story particularly upsetting: 16 doctors later and he’s now been told to be prepared for the delayed treatment to fail.
Why did no one listen to his reports of such troubling symptoms? In such a young patient, they should have been investigated immediately.
And young mother Kelly Smith who died aged just 31,angry,frightened and frustrated.
Dr John Lee is becoming one of our most effective leaders in the fight to restore normality and stop this inexcusable madness.
There is a great CS Leis quote at the end of this article. Here is the full version:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
Is it to do with confessing their sins? Like with Jimmy Saville, most people say he’ll be rotting in hell now, but actually if there is heaven and hell he won’t be if he confessed his sins before he died which he most likely would have.
Puts me in mind of Solzhenitsyns observations about the behaviour of fully committed Communists who fell foul of the Soviet Regime.
Instead of turning against their tormentors many concluded that since Party ruled for the benefit of The People he himself must somehow be at fault though not knowing what that fault may be. Being imprisoned must therefore be the correct position.
“But all practices will today receive a letter warning them that many patients ‘are experiencing difficulty in accessing their GP’.
The letter instructs family doctors to remind all patients that they can come in for appointments if they need to – and warns them not to send people to A&E instead.”
My own GP practice has been fine, car park always full.
I am an infrequent user despite COPD and Asthma for which I did not receive shielding instructions (which I would have ignored, rightly as it turned out).
“The UK’s epidemic had forced many GPs to move most of their services to phone calls or Skype to avoid coming into contact with patients unnecessarily.
But all practices will today receive a letter warning them that many patients ‘are experiencing difficulty in accessing their GP’.
The letter instructs family doctors to remind all patients that they can come in for appointments if they need to – and warns them not to send people to A&E instead.”
What utter hypocrisy. Hancock had given a speech not that long ago saying that GPs should continue with telephone and online consultations , even after the CV19 “pandemic” was over.
Now they’re lecturing GPs to say they must offer appointments at their surgeries. And don’t send anyone to hospital and A/E…
Dr John Lee has a conscience and an abundance of positive empathy. PM Johnson, on the other hand, appears to have misplaced his consicience and natural empathy towards others on the day when he left the emergency ward.
Hmm, I am not yet convinced this is a positive sign. There was a near identical headline re Australia in Daily Mail a day or two ago. (Australian edition) I noticed another surprising headline – this one condemning the stereotyping of protesters as conspiracy theorists. This from the chief culprit ! A complete 180 degree turn from it’s coverage of the protests a week ago. The last week has seen a sudden and unified change in the MSM narrative about the Victorian premier Dan Andrews, he has been condemned by everyone – PM, the security services, all major media outlets and business leaders. I sense some sort of agenda or propaganda strategy in such seamless unanimity. Mainstream newspapers have very little to do with news.
However, the article is listed under the “Killer Coronavirus” category on the front page! – kind of mixed messaging…
I agree that a sudden 180′ change amongst all the media and authorities is a bit suspicious. But the situation in Victoria seems to be getting more nightmarish by the day (am I correct that people have been arrested for liking Facebook posts by protest organisers?) so I’d say anything that gets “Kim-Jong Dan” out has to be a good thing.
I’m just back from a trip ‘home’ to Glasgow (from London) and it’s seriously depressing how compliant the sheep are up in Scotland.
Once I arrived back in London, other than a cabbie that didn’t understand mask exemptions, I was genuinely back HOME! I went to the pub and didn’t even think about going to the bar and ordering a pint!
I was born and bred in Scotland (first 25 years of my life!) but it’s now a land of cowards and I weep for the country of my birth…
That cabbie will have had Disability Awareness Training, tell him he needs a refresher. Refusal to accept your “ì’m exempt, thank you” is the same as refusing to allow am assistance dog on board.
As one of London’s finest Id say mask wearing is about 50/50 among the drivers who are still working.
We have have an edict from TFL to say drivers must wear a mask at all times,passsengers the same.No mention of any exemptions for driver or passenger.
A friend has been reported to TFL for not wearing a mask while being alone in his cab.They must be worn at all times while plying for hire.
You probably were not going far enough for the driver which is why he made a fuss.
To the “one of London’s finest” – thanks for identifying yourself on this thread, and for all you do to tread the impossible line between what you are required to do and what you feel it is right to do. Posting here helps people remember that some of you are not at all the enemy
Definitely agree. I live in Glasgow but I’m having a short break in London just now and I’m happy to say I wasn’t the only one unmasked on the tube but overall I’d say about 80% are masked.
Edinburgh University has renamed this building. It was David Hume Tower, named after the great Scottish empiricist. It’s now 40 George Square, named after George Floyd.
All it took was an online petition with 1700 “signatures”. So let’s start a petition to change the name back.
Must agree with that sort of thing, named buildings seem grand, but nobody who uses the building ever pays attention to the namesake. I hate to think how much moey will be wasted changing over the signage though.
Laid out in 1766 so named after George III. Who was of course white privileged gammon who reigned over a nation of colonial institutional racists enslaving africa. As most of the square is occupied by the University i am sure they can get the name changed by a compliant council. Sturgeon Square anybody?
Mad king George ?? He would be bloody livid!!!
I don’t know, I think the new name is quite fitting. The David Hume Tower is a monstrously ugly building which would be greatly improved by non-existence. Floyd was a monstrously ugly character who has been greatly improved by non-existence. I’d only want it named after Hume if it was to be demolished and rebuilt in a more handsome style.
No one deserves to be murdered like George Floyd was whatever sort of person he was and no country wants police that kneel on people’s necks to arrest them. It could be protestors against lockdown next.
Scotsman recording academic disapproval of the change. Back in June when BLM was causing damafe to the streets it was being said Hume’s racism was found in one footnote in one single instance of wording that is taken to be a racist comment. The rest of his work irrelevant because of the footnote.
Said it yesterday, overseas students stay away from Edinburgh University your education will be blighted by griup think baises and woke authorities. Go somewhere better and live an unblighted life.
For anyone lucky enough to have the choice of where to go and not be tied to this shitty nation by various commitments and having been in the culture too long to imagine going elsewhere, live unblighted outside blighty, pick Sweden.
You can’t support any of the other major or minor parties either: Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, all full of lockdownists.
PhilipF
4 years ago
I was in Hampstead on Sunday. In the window of GAP there was a sign saying FACE COVERINGS ARE COMPULSORY with no reference to exemptions. Is this legal? If not, can anybody give me the right things to say legally (Equality Act etc) and I will complain to them. Might do it anyway just to waste some of their time – they won’t like being accused of discrimination.
It’s probably legal, but you’re well within your rights to complain. The sign Toronto businesses have to post uses the term “required” but does make reference to exceptions for people who can’t comply in the small print. You should look up whatever businesses in your area are required to post and see if the GAP has conformed or gone rogue. I find it hard to believe there’d be no requirement to reference exemptions.
My local McColls newsagent/convenience store gives equal prominence on signs asking customers to wear a mask and saying that there are exemptions for people with disabilities, including hidden ones.
I’ve noticed that as well. Spanish ones such as Zara and Mango are bad as well, Bimba y Lola went one step further by decreeing “no mask, no sale”. Surprise, surprise they’ve been devoid of customers.
I’ve been quite shocked at the lack of sensitivity towards customers from a few local businesses displaying that “no mask, no service” that in person give pretty good service. It’s as if Covid gives makes them forget all about customer relations. Businesses need to wake up and fast.
Agree with you on that. Certainly good customer service has gone out of the window since this madness started. I recently wrote to the National Trust to complain about the lack of good customer service in the cafe of one of their properites and in the end all I got was a non-apology parroting the usual line about prioritising the safety of their staff.
Memo to all businesse and institutions: “Caring” for the safety of your staff is not an excuse to treat your customers and visitors abysmally. If that’s your logic then don’t be surprised if customers and visitors desert you in droves and you go bust!
We need to be establishing a netwrok of businesses that respect the welfare of customers instead of the diktats of government. A lockdown sceptics economy.
Had my first argument with a cafe today. Went to go in and was met with a raised hand “Not more than one inside at a time!” I wandered out and saw a table outside, completely empty. Shrugged and wandered back towards my car. Owner (muzzled, of course) rushed out and said in a panicky voice “There’s a table there, just wait a minute!” I shook my head.
“I perfectly understand, you’ve made your decision and you are perfectly entitled to do so, I’ll find somewhere else.” Then in a much louder voice “That’s perfectly OK, you’ve made your decision”. Then walked off.
A few more of those and we’ll see who cracks first; me with my money still in my pocket, or them wanting my business.
THey may say that, but when I went in Bimba y Lola and demanded to buy a handbag without wearing a mask (told them I was exempt), they backed down. It was probably their only sale of the day, given it was dead quiet on South Molton St.
Well done you. You must have scared them and they probably know that deep down they haven’t got a leg to stand on not to mention the “no mask no sale” diktat would mean no sale and the end of their jobs.
There are plenty of others. Both on the tube and at our local train station the announcements say ‘must wear a mask unless you are exempt’ and plenty of the TFL posters do as well. We need to get the message out.
FYI
Nick Abbot on LBC has been absolutely excellent regarding Covid recently (i.e. sceptical) – unlike almost all other presenters on that station. Tonight he quoted Peter Hitchens at length and with approval.
He is on Friday, Saturday and Sunday 10pm to 1am. Listen again and podcasts available.
I feel the same. Not one of my ‘friends’ can even be bothered to look at the Ivor Cummins presentation. They don’t even want to look at anything that is contrary to what they have been brainwashed into believing. I am beyond hope now and seemingly have no friends left. Except patronising ones who think I have gone mad.
Indeed. It’s the sunk cost fallacy in operation I am afraid – we’ve invested so much, if we stop now it will all have been for nothing.
Also some measure of psychological self-preservation. They probably know there might well be an awful truth waiting for them, which they would rather not face.
Same here…apparently one of my so called close friends (best man at my fucking wedding) has messaged my wife on the down low, to tell her I have been posting anti-mask stuff on my social media and that my friends are worried that I have had ” a mental breakdown” and maybe need help…My wife was so shocked that even she lost her temper and I guess now I have no friends anymore…I hate this shit and the brainwashing that has torn communities and families apart..There will be a day of reckoning for all these scumbags or I and the people here will be in rounded up in camp somewhere
What?!!! Even the goons advising the government have said that at best masks make a marginal difference. I think it’s your friends whose mental stability has been badly affected by the fear porn.
On the bright side, more and more in the MSM and politics are waking up to the fact that, as a country, we called this one wrong. Eventually, the zealots will have no choice, the tide has turned and is running our way.
We can’t get our kids or their partners to watch either Ivor Cummins or Dave Cullen. It seems a clear explanation of what is going on is a step too far for them. They only believe what Facebook tells them and they prefer to think it’s all just ‘stupid’ or ‘idiotic’ when the latest tyranny hits and it puts their plans out. We will keep trying though…. MW
Hi Miriam-sometimes-AlanAG.
Thanks for your length and interesting reply to a post of mine yesterday. I was subsequently offline for 18 hours so was unable to respond which might have appeared impolite.
btw, I grew being able to see Thorp Cloud from my bedroom window, not quite High Peak but close enough.
Hi, Karenovirus, I didn’t think you were impolite at all – life goes on (somehow) so I thought you’d got better things to do! Sorry my reply was a ramble as usual and I’m glad you got your connection back. I thought your point was important i.e. that people are getting accustomed to the restrictions – masks and all – and it’s very worrying.
As AG said to me as we walked home from a depressingly mask-ridden trip to our local Morrisons today –the worst so far, ‘This really is the New Normal – we’re in it, aren’t we? What will ever convince people that it’s safe to go without masks? The insane idea of ‘Zero Covid’? the questionable vaccine? getting tested every single day?’ The conversation turned to how we would dodge the tests and the vaccine when the time comes.
It’s hard to see a way out of this when people seem almost to welcome their oppression, something I believe is called Stockholm Syndrome. It was a lovely day anyway and, although sadly, we can’t see Thorp Cloud, we have fine views of Kinder and some other landmarks and, when the local bus passed us before we headed for the fields, the lone elderly woman on it wasn’t wearing a mask, bless her. Oh and a couple of school kids walked past us, one coughing his head off – Dive, dive, dive!!! MW
I believe you, it’s just that Vine is untrustworthy given his background of opinion guiding programming. Woukd not surprise me if he’s on a mission to capture free thinkers by lasso and then start on about having a vaccine just a little one just for your own good, etc. Nothing to trust in certain bbc employees.
Other than that good luck to him if his message is geniune and remains so.
At the beginning of lockdown there was Outrage in the press about 9,000 Londoners Invading ( I think) Brockwell Park.
JV crunched the numbers on air and came up with 1 person per Acre per daylight hour.
“Hardly an invasion” he concluded.
The United States is in free fall. This was occurring long before Covid Mania was engineered but now it is moving with great velocity.
The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Here in 2019 the crisis began to unravel again. There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.
So by the time the “Corona virus” magically appeared in 2020 the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.
The “Corona virus” has proven to be very useful by political leaders to mask what was going on- that’s why it was invented. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for it is absolutely extraordinary.
I heard the same thing. Which was that the coronavirus is a cover for financial collapse, that the banks will be recapitalised as far as possible on all the bankruptcies that will follow lockdown.
It is bound to be about money – what else could it be.
Our government is also completing the process by extracting any remaining assets from the country under the guise of Moonshot testing and sending it to their cronies. We will have nothing left once this is over and the elite will have taken everything.
Agreed: ‘from little acorns oak trees grow’,so let’s hope that a veritable forest of dissent will shoot up before free thinking, rationality , mature personal responsibility and acceptance of risk are chucked into the lost and found, never to be seen again.
Zero covid makes zero sense but that’s precise what appeals to DELVING devi. Masked hamsters makeno sense to but DELVING devi swears by them. There’s something consistent about DELVING devi.
I am now scared for my young children’s future. The scenes from Melbourne, Australia are too raw.
A defining moment in my life was when, as a young boy, my father took me to one of the concentration camp museums in Germany. The gas chambers were still in place along with the fences and the whole infrastructure of the holocaust including piles of harvested gold teeth and photographs. The place still smelled of death 15 years after it was closed. My father said to me “you see this, its horrifying, but I warn you it can happen again”. I did not believe him at the time but throghout my life I have seen genocides happen again and again. He was right.
Genocides are carried out by ordinary people whose minds have been twisted by hate. They see no logic or reason, they do not question why they are carrying out these atrocities against people who just a little while ago were friends and neighbours, they just act on their instilled hatred. The majority in conservative Melbourne who have drunk the coronavirus cool aid clearly now hate the protesters on the streets and have deployed the whole apparatus of the state to subdue them. These protestors are seen as filth who are endangering the rest and as such they deserve no rights as humans.
In the UK, divisions are already appearing. Divisions between Scotland and England, divisions between mask wearers and those who choose not to, the government encouaged snitchers, the deployment of covid wardens, the targeted arrests of protesting dissenters all serves to create hatred between two groups.
I have often wriiten light hearted bits and pieces when I have had a bit too much sauce but my main thrust has always been try and show the madness of all this by discussing here and with friends how, from the very beginning, the statistics did not back up any of the reasons for the draconian lockdowns and other actions taken by government. I thought that the works of spectaculary intelligent minds like Prof. Heneghan, Ivor Cummins, the gentleman who wrote the piece on PCR testing above the line here yesterday would convince people that all of these actions were a mistake and we should all just accept this little glitch in our lives and return to normal.
As far as I can see none of this solid reasearch and data has been taken up by the media (because presumably they have drunk the cool aid too). Even Ivor Cummins brilliant explainer has only been viewed half a million times, likely by the 1% or so of the population (us) who already see the reality.
I now think that I was (am) naive. Most people are convinced, and it is almost impossible to deconvince them. Society has been divided between the believers who are by far the majority and who now hate the non believers. The ingredients are in place for a catastrophe.
In my region of the world, people who are political opponents or other undesirables in Central America are being rounded up and imprisoned in inhuman conditions in the name of being ‘quarantined’ because of the virus. Totalitarian governments worldwide are taking advantage of the WHO driven situation. Smaller governments like mine are being coerced by the World Bank and the IMF to take loans with conditions applied that we should do even more draconian lockdowns, curfews. and further removal of our citizens rights.
This is looking like Naziism but on a global scale. I hope that I am wrong and, when my hangover has cleared in the morning, common sense has prevailed on Planet Earth.
I couldn’t agree more. The shift to totalitarianism, and the desire for it by the majority, is the scariest thing about this. On another note, the BBC did have a couple of pieces about the environmental damage the enforced mask wearing is doing – another catastrophic unintended consequence – and again those normally piously concerned about the environment seem not to give a toss…it’s the most bizarre collective insanity in the history of mankind, and it’s unlikely to end well….
You write beautifully for someone who has been drinking! I wish I could disagree with your analysis, but being of Jewish descent I know fascism when I see it. I was never naive and saw this for the debacle it has turned out to be right from the beginning. I was hoping to be wrong and that people would wake up, but no amount of data or rational appeal is getting through to the hysterical masses. World governments, who stoked the fear in the first place now can’t put the genie back into the bottle and so double down on stupidity and destruction. It’s going to be a long winter.
I grew up sort of fearing intolerance coming from the Left, internally or externally, now I see it coming from the Middle which is bizarre.
There are no divisions between Scots and English, just Sturgeon creating political divides in her pursuit of Scottish independence, which to be fair, is central to her manifesto.
The targeted arrest of 70 year old dissenters and the rash of videos showing police roughly treating ordinary members of the public will backfire on our governments, far from cowering the response will be to increase our outrage.
Journalists have drunk from the trough of government advertising and it is not in their interests to downplay the Covid and blame all the bad stuff on it rather than lockdown.
I talk to lots of people every day and it’s clear that more and more if them understand that at least some of lockdown is absurd, yet still they comply. Sheepwalking (word !) towards tyranny perhaps.
Being of Asian ancestry where the culture is essentially authoritarian and born and grew up in a country that was in thrall of a dictatorship for 20 years, I had a feeling that this was going to happen from the word go and looks like I wasn’t wrong.
You wonderful post sums up the tragedy we are facing now and while it despairs me to see young people especially millenials cave in without so much of a whimper what really saddens and angers me is how many of the boomers those who were born not long after WW2 ended are some of the biggest cheerleaders of these draconian policies all in the name of “health” and “safety.” Which begs the question – Why? What’s in it for them?
Rather than admit that they were wrong, governments around the world double down their stupidity by even more insane and draconian means. I can say that this won’t end well as more and more people realise that they will have nothing to lose by protests, riots and unrest.
They’ve also been installing CCTV cameras watching the homes of people who are being held hostage by the government psychosis surrounding positive tests.
I wish I could say that you are wrong Bob. But I cannot. All I can say with any certainty is that you have underestimated the problems that we now face.
I agree with you. The only possible positive outcome is that as it becomes increasingly evident what it happening, people will wake up in unprecedented numbers. It is starting to happen, whether it will happen quickly enough I don’t know.
Last week my wife told me that the only place she feels safe now is at home,not because of any virus or so-called pandemic but because of the growing sense of menace she feels in every public place.
She is the only unmasked person in 90% of the shops she goes into and the snide comments and dirty looks she receives have increased hugely in the past couple of weeks.
She said it feels like we’re almost at the point when masked zealots are going turn violent and no-one will do anything to stop them.
You are right,this is looking like Nazism,with the state using a fully brainwashed,compliant and frightened population to do their bidding.
I feel it everyday while riding the bus. My allotment feels safe, but only because I avoid conversations with the other allotment holders. I’ve overheard things that make my blood run cold. I feel like I have to hide my scepticism there for fear of losing the only thing that makes my life worth living.
Well, that is a depressing start to the week. Meanwhile, in the US, things (minus the idiotic masks) are starting to feel a bit more normal. I think people are tiring of this. Maybe they will finally revolt…
I’m counting on freedom loving Americans to get us out of this! The Canadian sheeple just keep begging for more “safety” in exchange for civil liberties. Please lock me down nanny state and pay me to stay home and watch Netflix, and please force all those covidiots to wear a mask so that I’ll feel better when I come out from under my bed to venture outside. I used to feel so lucky to have been born here. Now I wish I were Swedish.
I sometimes wonder if the reason I insist on using my mask exemption is because I’m American (I’ve lived in the UK for decades). I look around me at all the mask zombies and wonder if they’re wearing their masks because they’re English – and I’m not. We do have a rebellious spirit, although I still fear the potential civil war coming in the US.
Looks from a far that Manhattan is wrecked. Best resistence in that city is dancing in Union(?) Square, you done know who you’re going to meeter there, you gotta run run run run run take a drag or two.
So much business empty and boarded up. U-haul vans fully booked with people leaving the city. Night time street saftey gone. Looks on the very bleak side of things from a far.
Yes saw a report recently that suggested 2/3 of all eating establishments could be permanently shut, in the near future…crime of course is soaring thanks to Hollywood luvvies like Mark Ruffalo demanding $1 billion cuts to NYPD budget – well they got it alright. Interview recently with a couple of Sopranos actors; Michael Imperioli & Steve Schirripa, where they tore into the Mayor and pointed out the devastation… On the flip side, I saw on TV that Governor Cuomo did a press junket where he promised to cook a dinner for New Yorkers who had left town, if they came back. So yes, unfortunately, the city is spiralling out of control, but a few people might get a steak meal. That’ll turn it around.
Seattle and Portland going the same way. See how antifa/blm* fare once the ‘middle classes’ flee with their taxable incomes.
* Lower case thank you auto correct.
Annie
4 years ago
A comment on Dr Kendrick’s excellent blog introduced me to a new word: nosophobia.
“Nosophobia is the extreme or irrational fear of developing a disease. This specific phobia is sometimes simply known as disease phobia.
You might also hear it referred to as medical students’ disease. This name stems from previous assumptions that nosophobia tends to mostly affect medical students surrounded by information about different diseases. But some 2014 evidence lends less support to this idea.
It’s common to feel some anxiety when serious health conditions spread through your community. But for people with nosophobia, this anxiety can be overwhelming, affecting their everyday life.”
I am waiting for the announcement on the “necessary” cull of domestic cats. THAT will be the tipping point, when it looks like Tibbles is going to get it.
(I love cats, we have a cat, I don’t want a cull…but all the articles on cats with corona have got me thinking)
Spot on! Having suffered truly dire side effects from a number of widely prescribed drugs, and having subsequently had the comparative good fortune to sort myself out with the aid of dietary changes and extensive research, I would caution folk to think carefully before asking for prescriptions: witness the widespread overuse of antibiotics and the inevitable consequences.
Note the article on the EU and living with the virus. No surprise in the statement that even if a successful vaccine is found, we will still need to be careful. So that’s it … according to that statement, we can assume no return to normal human and social interaction is the long term intention, businesses and economy to remain in ruins. So what’s the point of the rush for a vaccine, if by this logic it does not impact on the virus spread, and secondly can we rethink the idea that government’s actions are completely down to fear, incompetence and hole digging, there is too much emerging evidence to challenge this imho. The comment by BobT about monetary bribes by the IMF for lockdowns to be maintained similarly that Belarus was offered 750 million to impose a lockdown, but refused – these examples alone should prompt questions besides the many examples highlighted in comments and links on this sight.
I am still astounded by the limited scale of negative press coverage on Melbourne. Remember Hong Kong demos and the umbrellas, about 4 years ago, wall to wall media coverage for weeks, and now this, in a supposed established democracy, and it is almost background noise in msm. Not sure about the BBC, as it is banned in our household, by majority consent of course.
Why aren’t Amnesty International and the Red Cross going against Kim Jong Dan? I’m starting to fear that all these organisations have decided that human rights only matter when the person abusing them is someone that The Guardian doesn’t like.
As previously posted, the teenagers at The College have decided that both face nappies and social distancing are uncool so I’d like to know what the Police are going to do about it as 2k of them arrive to go into any of a dozen nearby buildings.
They arrive by bus, from two train stations or on foot from all directions so, unlike going into a Nite Spot or football ground, they cannot but avoid crossing paths en mass.
Most will be more interested in chatting with their friends than worrying about more stupid lockdown rules.
Same will occur as they move between buildings when they change classes, lunchtime when they swarm s local park* and local takeaways/sandwich bars and once against Hometime (not a word I’ve used in some decades).
See some soppy Covid Marshal shouting
“Come on boys and girls, groups no longer than six . . .:
*said park was a burial ground for a proper epidemic of Cholera 19C but not alit of people know that.
Drove past a load of teenagers crammed together waiting for the bus this morning. Out of a huge group only a couple of oddballs wearing masks. Very nice to see!
Then popped into Tesco Express to find I was the only unmuzzled shopper… brought back down to Earth with a crash!
I made a point of being near The College 08.45.
It was as though the Rule of 6 ‘law’ had not come into force this morning. The students behaved exactly the same as last week. Perhaps 1 in a hundred wore a mask, not cold shouldered by their peers but comfortable within groups, perhaps they are now the brave ones. More likely they have a condition that makes wearing advisable and their friends accept that.
I avoid the convenience store near The Collegel as it’s always full of bloody students but I pulled up over the road to observe.
As each of 8 or 9 went into the shop they put on their mask as they waited in the queue then whipped it off before reaching the exit threshold and slipping it into their back pocket.
They do not want to be seen on the streets in a mask and, of course, they were pushing and shoving each other as they passed through the door, as teenagers do.
I have explained this in an earlier post. College students arrive in life-long friendship groups so they can rely on backup in the event of confrontation.
Uni students will arrive as singletons having spent 6 months cooped up far away at home. Conformity may appear the sensible option.
richard riewer
4 years ago
Tsunami!
Public Health Zealots are a menace to the health of human society.
You are getting it! Public Health is the new force of our times being used to shape our future. Matters and extinction are mere pups compated to the intended social change intended to be brought down upon us via Public Health. Years in the seeding of the profession.
Kevin
4 years ago
Does anyone have a copy of the welsh government’s previous advice on mask wearing that stated that the scientific evidence for their use is weak? I foolishly did not save a copy and low and behold today when they mandate them this paragraph seems to have been removed from their guidelines.
Matt Hancock seems particularly impressed with anything that destroys our freedom.
The peculiar Covid logic where the Virus carries a clock and a tape measure and will not infect anyone in a pub before 10pm, but will swoop once the clock strikes 10.
The virus has also mutated into something that only strike people if they are in groups of 7 or more, but only if they know each other. In England it counts children in these groups, in Scotland and Wales is spares the child.
It also spares people at work in groups of 7 or more, coroni respects work ethic and understands that people have bills to pay. It really doesn’t like shoppers but is a big Sunday league football fan.
The group of six rule seems a bit like an attempt at a neutron bomb – make it look like you are doing something without affecting the economy. Of course we know it will affect the economy as far as hospitality goes (less people will go to the pub), but prohibiting private socialising is economy-neutral and all it does is push us further towards a situation where people’s interactions are all in regulated, organised contexts where there is the opportunity for more state intervention and control – a bit like how the Nazis forced civil organisations to sign up to their agenda.
Wasn’t that one of those huge cold war projects that absorbed masses of tax money but never achieved a result? Like lockdown I suppose, only less destructive to private enterprise.
Had that conversation with three people this morning, how the Covid sneaks out at 10pm to get us, caused a few giggles.
Authoritarian regimes that make themselves the butt of jokes never do well.
“Health chiefs have warned GPs that failure to offer appointments in person is a “breach of contract” and may heap pressure on Accident and Emergency departments.”
Look at that survey of 8,000 Doctors today, 63% do not think the backlog of care is a priority. This to me is very concerning that two thirds of them basically are just happy for people to die.
I think that is the Core problem with an NHS.
The GPs see themselves as dispensers of care to supplicants who beg for treatment, the GP may or may not give treatment if they feel like it.
This attitude problem does not exist in more effective health care systems such as Germany,Austria, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan etc etc.
Its observed behaviour, if you watch what they do, not say, but actually do, that tells you what most Drs think of the taxpaying public.
“6 months” is depressing. Realistically, if there were going to be a second wave, it would be in the autumn, that being the seasonality of coronaviruses. 6 months implies that if it doesn’t happen in the autumn, we’ll just have to remain oppressed through the early spring, just in case.
I hadn’t thought of that analogy, Neil Ferguson as the head of an apocalyptic cult. The zealots have been so obsessed with a second wave, even before the first began, every time their predictions are ludicrously wrong they say “oh it’ll be here soon”.
In areas like North Devon where I live there has been so little Covid19 that we have not really had a first wave which is why much of the local population believe we will get our first wave this autumn.
Precsiely. There’s a load of mush being spouted by the likes of Professor Sunetra Gupta who claim we have achieved or are near to achieving Herd Immunity. We aren’t. There are still large swathes of the country that have had little exposure.
Either that or most of the country had T cell immunity to start with, 30% got an asymptomatic infection and the remainder got a wee sniffle they barely noticed.
Oh I see. By a remarkable coincidence everyone in Devon had T Cell immunity.
Err … No I don’t think so. In any case actual SYMPTOMATIC cases are increasing rapidly according to the Covid Symptom study. Numbers are up from 18k on Aug 25th to 45k on Sep 12th. (+150%)
We’re pretty sure that 15%, perhaps a LOT more, have had covid. Depends which model of herd immunity you think is most plasuible, but some say it can take hold between 10 and 20%, by recognising that unlike vaccine induced herd immunity (scattered at random in the population) naturally induced immunity fills up the kinds of interpersonal paths in the social web that the virus would try to follow. Or if some of the “epidemiological dark matter” hypotheses hold, which rely on a fair proportion of the population being non-infectable (we know that previous exposure to some coronaviruses can induce this for some people for a reasonable length of time), the herd immunity threshold is also well below the very high 60 or so % which crude models assume. I couldn’t say with certainty either way whether we’re at herd immunity yet, but the fact that, with all the mingling over summer, deaths and hospital admissions haven’t risen certainly implies we are heading in that direction (rising cases can be largely discounted as testing capacity keeps shoooting up and as deaths occur as a proportion of infected cases the fact we’re seeing so few means that the number being infected now must be much lower than in spring, we just weren’t testing much back then).
Shocking!!! Sadly most doctors are clueless about health.
They should know that your immune system protect you but they don’t
They should know that improving your immune system is super important but they don’t
They should know that exposure to to other people help us build our immune systems but they don’t
They should know that nutrient levels are important to improve your immune system but they don’t
They should know that optimal vitamin D levels is super important to keep people healthy and to protect people from suffering the cytokine storm but they don’t
Two or three years ago, when my local GP surgery was working as it should, I was advised my vitamin D level was low, was prescribed a strong booster and then recommended to take daily over-the counter supplement. I wasn’t very diligent, just taking supplements sporadically in winter. Figured I got quite a bit from sunshine most of the year.
Roy Lilly is the guest is right now, and he’s just stated that “the absence of evidence doesn’t mean there isn’t any evidence”. I think I’ll just go back to bed and hope to wake up again to find I not living in an alternative, manufactured reality.
Quite, Annie. Though we don’t just have to imagine. We have endless examples of that card being played in repressive regimes around the world now and in history.
It’s a corruption of an old maxim – the absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. Although, of course, the correct quote wouldn’t really help in this instance.
“absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence”, although if you’ve been looking PROPERLY for the evidence and not found it then it certainly hints at absence.
Tariq Ali (?) Said just that in Tom Hollands* excellent documentary exploring the lack of historical evidence surrounding the birth of Islam.
* the historian not the singer.
Jane Chapman
4 years ago
Just to let you know that funerals are exempt from the six business. I know as I’m going to attend one this week and there are more than six.
Kevin
4 years ago
Just posting this again: Does anyone have a copy of the welsh government’s previous advice on mask wearing that stated that the scientific evidence for their use is weak? I foolishly did not save a copy and low and behold today when they mandate them this paragraph seems to have been removed from their guidelines.
At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community is not supported by high quality scientific evidence. Social distancing and hygiene measures remain the most effective measures for reducing transmission of COVID-19.
The WHO is recommending, though, that as part of the wider range of measures to prevent transmission, three-layer face coverings should be encouraged in situations where social distancing and hygiene measures are difficult to maintain.
There is evidence to suggest that the wearing of face coverings gives people a false sense of security which makes them less careful about social distancing and handwashing. We know that these measures are the most effective way to reduce transmission of the virus, and don’t want to do anything that might lead to a reduction of those measures being observed.
I think he said much the same in April 2020. On Delingpole, Richie Allen. Maybe both. Prescient. Ahead of his time. Shunned and ignored by most other media outlets.
skipper
4 years ago
The BMA survey predicting a a second wave also has a quite damning statistics which is when polled only 37% of Doctors believe that the “Prioritisation of patients waiting for care and clearing the backlog” is the top priority over the next year.
So 63% of Doctors don’t really give a toss about treating those with cancer, operations and other treatment.
It it bred into them at doctor training factory or do all humans have those same feelings of who-gives-a-****-not-me-guv-as-long-as-I-live-in-luxury-95%-of-the-world’s-population-can-only-dream-about-I’m-all-right-jack?
All the polls that involved them being safer and better protected were all 60% in their favour, so look after themselves rather than those who they should be caring for.
Rockefeller bought the medical departments of universities, banished natural medicine and replaced it with expensive oil-based treatments that never cure anything. Doctors just work to mental check lists – symptom S use drug D.
What I’d like to know is:- Is this going to be an extra restriction? – or is the plan to impose this restriction and lift all others? (masks, social distancing and “rule of six” etc.)
I’ve used the words “impose” and “restriction”. Above the words “told” and “advise” have been used which aren’t compatible. Which is it to be? Does anyone know? Indeed do they know? (whoever be they).
I’m sure ‘they’ haven’t a clue. The article states that there will not be blanket advice for an age group, but those most seriously at risk (whatever that means) due to multiple vulnerabilities, amongst which age might be one, will be written to with advice about protecting themselves. At the moment the language is not suggesting imposition or enforcement.
I imagine that it will be in addition to other measures. After all more is always better isn’t it? We can’t have people feeling hopeful or expecting proportionality and fairness-where would that end?
I’m in my seventies. I haven’t made any sacrifices in the ‘battle’ against the virus. Many would see me as supporting the enemy. I enter shops and ride on busses without a mask, insist on walking down the high street the way I want, and when in Ireland I didn’t “caccoon” at all, at all, as they called it over there.
But, as an oldie as a ‘vulnerable’ I’d accept the government insisting on such as myself becoming hermits for three months (save for getting out on my push bike and going for a plod) so herd immunity can develop – and not seeing anyone – making sure we never got within 20 yards of anyone – and never entering another building but where we lived – and putting up with getting the wrong supply of vittles – IF,as a quid pro quo, the government scrapped all other restrictions!
I suppose I just feel guilty that I’ve not in any way made any sacrifices – though I’ve had plenty imposed on me.
The essential words in what I’ve written above are “quid pro quo”.
But this is not an offer that the government is going to make or seek. We’re just going to keep buggering on until the government decides to tell everyone to look to their own defences – much as the Romans told the Britons in 410 was it? Oh, for such a government now!
It’s very noble of you, but I don’t see why you should accept any restrictions. It should be up to the individual. Otherwise why not make smoking, drinking, overeating, etc, illegal?
Last time it was just guidance, though often framed as if it was law by government and media, quite deliberately I am sure.
I believe Lord Sumption said that under the law they are basing their authority upon they do not have the power to force healthy people to quarantine. Or perhaps I misunderstood.
Hitler could not deal with bad news from his generals, so they stopped telling him
That was fine in 39,40,41 and most of 42
Even as the Soviets were at the gates of Berlin his generals were showing him on maps that they could move this division or that division here or there
In reality the troops had left the battlefield
The ‘generals’ and their underling will be monitoring this site and sites like it. They will know the game is up and it’s only a matter of time. They are still at the ‘just following orders stage’
I’m reminded of the downfall of Ceausescu. There he was on the balcony, the crowd were clapping and cheering. In a moment they started booing. It was the moment Ceausescu’s delusions came face to face with reality
Except for Rommel who was too popular, he got given the suicide option and his family got to keep their estate, better option than the meat hook that most got.
Can’t see a Rommel in johnsons mob.
BBC R4 News 08.00.
Chair of National Police (?) Council Martin Hewitt twice avoided the question ” should members of the public phone the police if they see people breaking the new rules”.
He did suggest that mops talk to rule breakers and that all people should “take responsibility “. Not quite as bad as Dicks call to shame the maskless.
Followed by a good interview with Lord Sumption who again advocated people taking responsibility but in terms of making their own decisions about self isolating.
Q. “Would you advocate people breaking the new laws ?”
LS ” I would advise them to regard the new laws as being of seconddary importance. “.
He should be given back his old job, then preside over Dolan’s case, and after that preside over Johnson and Hancock’s trial for crimes against humanity.
I have been taking part in a discussion on LinkedIn for a month now and have vigorously stated my belief that masks are useless and the whole Covid response is a gross overreaction. I’ve face crude personal insults, accusations and threats from other subscribers. I’ve not faced any sanctions from LinkedIn (yet) but it had crossed my mind that I could, if it happened I would not be surprised.
Simon Henderson
4 years ago
I had to deal with a self appointed Gauleiter and the jobsworth steward, getting a flight to Croatia Recently. While queuing for the bag drop, one of the types that seem to think mountaineering attire is perfect for an airport, accosted me and my wife, for the heinous crime of being sans muzzle. Shouting across, she demanded we put masks on.
I asked her when was she voted in as my governor? I told her I must have missed that vote, but as an asthmatic, I don’t have to wear one. With a flourish I waved my inhaler in her direction. She saw my wife was wearing an exemption badge, so moved on to others in the line.
Then, on boarding the plane, jobsworth was primed and ready to go as soon as I walked on. I waved my inhaler at him as he demanded I wear a mask. He then insisted I show him a letter from my doctor. I now know this to be rubbish, but didn’t then. After a heated debate, Mr Pilot got involved, so I could see my holiday disappearing.
I conformed until in the air, then pulled it beneath my chin.
on the flight home I took the precautions of taking two tubes of Pringles and a bottle of water.
They’ll be the first thing in my travel bag from now on.
Sorry to hear. Speaking for myself, I’m very close to considering alternative methods of protest. I’ve had enough too.
Edit: Conducting sorry, not considering. Done the considering part.
Rallies at 12 noon, Trafalgar Square Sat 19th and Sat 26th September. I’ll be thinking of small businesses strangled by this nonsense at both. The first is disaffected medical people, but the second will hopefully build on the last rally on the 29th August
It’s always the way I’m afraid. They’re like the lesser-status dogs, standing behind the alphas and growling, ready to turn tail and flee if it all goes wrong.
Don’t worry about having to work, that’s the reason I go, lol. I don’t work Saturdays! So I’ll be standing there for you, and others who cannot attend.
Only a suggestion but can you invite people not to patronise your café? Point out to them it’s their choice and it’s your choice – if those are not compatible then there’s no sense in being a customer.
I know the reality is the bored human specimens want to cause trouble regardless, you won’t change them but you can achieve moral high ground.
Such businesses around here are quick to get in the local paper – perhaps you can take your business public to draw their venom.
What was being said about eastasia? Who put up those traitorous posters?
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SmokeandMirrors
4 years ago
Does anyone have access to the number of tests carried out per day from March/April until now in France and Spain?
This info, for the UK at least, has a dramatic effect on the shape of the much-touted graphs and should demolish most of the current panic. It’s the ‘artefact of testing’ that has never been fully explained to the public.
”It’s the ‘artefact of testing’ that has never been fully explained to the public.”
yes – a point that has been made many many times already in here over the last months – so, in here, we are pretty much all on the same page on this one
I don’t know about Spain, but in France they were doing several thousand tests a week in March-April, mainly on people who were already seriously ill in hospital whereas now in September they are doing over a million tests a week in the general population. Even santé publique, a bedwetting organisation if ever there was one, points out that in March-April the number of what would now be defined as “cases” was probably far higher than they realised because tests were not being systematically carried out. https://www.linternaute.com/actualite/guide-vie-quotidienne/2489651-carte-coronavirus-en-chiffres-cas-deces-bilan-du-dimanche-13-septembre-2020/ If you go down the page there are lots of graphs.
skipper
4 years ago
How strange this world has become. You are being castigated because of your compassionate view to those who don’t wear face masks, yet a shop who are meant to be ethical close to me kick out disabled children and their parents for not wearing masks and are lauded on Facebook for their actions!
The business is called Sankara Imports. I’ll try and find the Facebook post and post it. They kicked out a young autistic boy about 7 years old and his mum because the boy wouldn’t wear a facemask.
what a load of woke tossers.. And what about the cultural appropriation .. ripping off people in India and Nepal to flog tat at inflated prices to gullible people..
I bet they are anti brexit, pro immigration, support XR and take the knee at any opportunity
Quote from the site “we are happy to be doing our part to slow the impact of this pandemic”
What lovely people they must be to want to mask anyone over 5 years old!
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago
How will these people feel when when the science reveals they been taken for fools and you were right all along? I think there a strong chance of that happening.
A lot of people bought in to Blair’s WMD threat not that long ago. Those that did probably forgot they did. With this Covid scare a lot of people are going to find it very hard to forget they bought in to it.
P.s. – there is no obligation on you to enforce the law on face masks (if it is the law). If you are reported to the police they’ll doubtless not want to know.
I was one who bought into the WMD threat. Who bought into the Iraq War. I’m not proud of it. Events almost immediately after the invasion, the “missing” (ie non existent) WMD, proved I was wrong.
The important life lesson I learned is to NEVER believe what the government says without corroborating evidence or, even better, conclusive proof.
I learnt that lesson as well, only bloody well forgot it hence meekly locked myself and my family into my home and allowed my 80 year old mother to be isolated for 6 weeks. The time it took for the bloody penny to drop. Kicking myself.
It’s a rich tapestry. This is one thread. Thanks for sharing your regret. It was a multi-£million/billion propaganda machine that kicked in without a starting pistol being fired. Give yourself a break. Perhaps the process of realisation proves you rightly question everything in due time.
There was never any good scientific evidence to support the government. The science has always been saying we have been taken for fools yet here we are. No amount of reason is going to change their minds – what they need is an end to the brainwashing and therapy to recover some sanity.
Janet Daley nailed it in the Sunday Telegraph, as per usual, everyone knows this whole business is a load of bollocks but are still, sort of, going along with it for a quiet life although they aren’t actually obeying any of the stupid, unenforceable rules.
Cecil B
4 years ago
In seven months not one successful prosecution in the courts for a breach of the corona virus regulations.
I’ll repeat it, not one
So why have the law if you are too scared to take anyone to court?
The economy – our liberty, our livelihoods and everything worth living for is being systematically destroyed without taking anybody to court. The law is clearly serving its purpose regardless.
Lord Sumption was useful on this. The edicts that the Government have been issuing have allegedly been done under the aegis of the Coronavirus Act. However, the act doesn’t actually give them that power, so it’s a massive bluff. There’s a Public Health Act (2004?) which does give them the power, but it requires each measure to be presented to Parliament within a week of being enacted. This is a reason why the Government keeps using the words “guidance” and “advice” because they know they are acting outside their authority and think that pretending they never mandated the restrictions will defend them in court. Simon Dolan experienced this over schools when they claimed the closures had merely been “advice” and were not mandatory.
They used the Public Health Act 1984 unlawfully because that was intended to allow local authorities to contain infected persons against their will* not take measures against the entire population or parts thereof.
The Civil Contingencies Act would have required weekly Parliamentary scrutiny which is why they didn’t want to use it.
I think in Irish Republic they actually brought in a special law to make mask wearing compulsory. Much to everyone’s amazement because they thought it had been for three weeks already!
Lord Sumption also mentioned amendments to the 1984 Public Health Act – that’s what the government is using to introduce new rules, as far as I understand it. It seems to me that this is more important than the Coronavirus Act (Simon Dolan mentioned it Twitter some time ago).
I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that things have been organised so that it’s as unlikely as possible that any case will ever get to court. Most penalties are issued at FPNs (the few that have been issued at all), which means that it’s very unlikely that anyone will challenge them at all – far easier and cheaper to pay them quickly and move on. The addition of much more substantial fines (£3,200 for repeated breaches of the mask mandate or the ‘rule of 6’; £10,000 for organising an illegal rave like the ones that notorious party addict, Piers Corbyn arranged in Trafalgar Square and Sheffield) make it more likely that they’ll be challenged, but it seems unlikely that the £3,200 fine will ever be issued and the courts are so backed up that the case will probably never make it before a judge anyway.
One wonders whether this is deliberate, to make sure that a judge never gets a chance to comment on the validity of the regulations.
That’s the idea behind FPNs in general. Councils issue them for parking without legislative backup too. Even the whole half price if you shut up and pay is a nudge to make you comply rather than question the authority.
Because, as I understand it, until today all the lockdown laws were not real laws but regulations dressed up as such.
Which is why all early lockdown prosecutions were abandoned supposedly because several different police forces had used ‘laws’ only applicable on Wales, pull the other one on that.
Perhaps now the second wave has “started” they will switch to testing symptomatic people only. Cases fall, their swift decisive action worked to prevent a catastrophic surge etc etc.
Or, they will suddenly develop an interest in the positivity rate rather than case numbers. If you only test symptomatic people, % positive will increase. After R and case numbers, that will become the latest thing to panic about. 100% positivity rate! All 10 people we tested were positive! Second wave!
Presumably the “free tests” for anybody who wants one in Bolton town centre reported here yesterday did not actually happen
Ed Phillips
4 years ago
Yesterday I had another family at my house for lunch – 8 around the table.
Then, in the afternoon, 14 of us gathered for tea after church and belted out some hymns. (How i’ve missed belting hymns out!)
I feel for you, but hang on in there. Guts and perseverance mean that you’ll eventually gain the respect of your local area, especially when this fraud is exposed for what it is.
And remember, it wasn’t any of us who pushed covid patients into care homes, or forced DNR certificated on them, or abandoned those with non-covid diseases to their fate – including pain, suffering and death. Or God knows how many people, especially children, in the Third World to starving. One day the hypocrisy of these people will out.
Well said, TJN. Sums it up for me. And it takes courage to go against the crowd – but it is our moral responsibility to do so. This is why I love this site – so many courageous people making a contribution where they can.
A nearby garden centre refused to close during lockdown despite the Council threatening to prosecute them and the police threatening to prosecute customers (neither of which happened since not proper laws). Also got a lot of negative social and national media attention.
They did a roaring trade throughout lockdown and continue to do so now
Last week I mentioned having a bit of fun with a swerver by moving towards them. I’ve had a think about this and have come up with some guidelines that might help should you also meet a swerver.
1) Only use your anti-swerver technique in residential streets where traffic is light.
2) When you see a pedestrian approaching, make an early assessment. If it looks like they play lock forward for the local rugby team it might be best to give it a miss.
3) Check for any cars, we don’t want the swerver to be injured or run over.
4) If swerving is observed, you then have a choice. You could go for the subtle drift to the edge of the pavement which will force the swerver further into the road. Alternatively you could try the more aggressive ‘cross the road’ technique which is liable to cause panic. If you decide to do this, always pass behind the swerver.
5) Avoid eye contact and do not speak to the swerver (see 7 below)
6) Maintain social distancing. This, together with 5 above, is very important as we don’t want the swerver to think that we are taking the piss out of them.
7) In the unlikely event that the swerver queries what you are doing, act as though you have no idea what they are talking about. A simple ‘What?’, together with a shrug of the shoulders and a puzzled look should suffice.
8) Under no circumstances should you burst out laughing. We don’t want to hurt the feelings of the swerver or make them look any more stupid than they already are.
If you stick to these guidelines much fun can be had and the swerver will continue, completely oblivious to the fact that they’ve just been had.
I’m sure you’re aware that you’re setting out a programme for deliberately causing distress to other people for your own amusement. This is cruel, and it is bullying.
Perhaps other readers may like to draw an analogy with phobias. One member of my family has a phobia about spiders. What would we think of a poster who outlined a programme for amusing themselves at her expense by deliberately showing her a large spider? I think we might consider them somewhat deficient in the humanity department.
The reason I posted, apart from a general sensitivity on the subject of phobias, is that this is precisely the point that has been made by many posters here. Some people have been pushed into irrational behaviour about masks and social contact, and I can only presume that what we’re seeing is people being tipped into various forms of phobia (I’m by no means an expert) but I believe that a significant number of people are suffering from agoraphobia. Here’s the NHS definition
Agoraphobia is a fear of being in situations where escape might be difficult or that help wouldn’t be available if things go wrong.
Many people assume agoraphobia is simply a fear of open spaces, but it’s actually a more complex condition. Someone with agoraphobia may be scared of:
* travelling on public transport
* visiting a shopping centre
* leaving home
They’ll avoid situations that cause anxiety and may only leave the house with a friend or partner. They’ll order groceries online rather than going to the supermarket. This change in behaviour is known as avoidance.
In short, from being a treatable disorder, this is now government policy.
It does because they quite often seek help where as swervers think they are rationally protecting themselves from the Covid so consider their behaviour quite rational.
Thankyou for the stand you have been taking in your shop, as one who would be very grateful for shops near me managed with your sense.
Since it seems you have been breaking no law, you are unlikely to face real difficulties. But I wonder if it’s time to consider a Sceptics’ Union, by analogy with the Free Speech Union, capable of providing more material solidarity should any of us be singled out.
Catherine
4 years ago
Shoot me now. One of the kids has a temperature so we are all meant to isolate & get a test for child. Middle child actually has a snotty cough. I’d already sent eldest to High School before primary school broke the good news.
Fucks sake.
It’s the fact he had a temperature that has blown it out the water. On Friday we had a poster up saying snot & temperature was fine but the guidance has changed. Any temperature you have to get a test. Ironically I work part time in the school office and do the attendance reporting!
My eldest had a “temperature” at drop off. 5 normal retests later and we concluded it might be the gun. Youngest at home with a minor sniffle but because she is having chemotherapy we are having to be very careful about colds etc; not remotely worried about covid though. My daughter was part of a study of 1800 immuno suppressed kids, not one has been hospitalised by covid…
I kicked myself for not testing with a proper thermometer before we went in but I knew he didn’t have a temperature and fortunately the schools protocol allow a second test with different equipment and a further test half an hour later.
Covid or no covid, with an immuno suppressed daughter I don’t actually think children should be at school with a temperature.
That said I don’t think there is ever a need for temperatures to be checked as a condition of entry to school.
Taking a temperature with an infrared thermometer from a distance is no real indication of core temperature. I’ve used one that is in contact with the forehead and it came back as normal, the child looked poorly so I took another temperature in the ear and it was over 38.5.
I forgot to add, once on the ward I was working on the HCAs did the observations. The first patient had a temperature of 38.5, which was trigger for possible sepsis. The second patient also had a temperature of 38.5. When the third patient had a similar temperature, I think I tried the thermometer on my self, Lo and behold I had a temperature of around 38.5. The thermometer was faulty.
This is where there are serious issues. Using the Paediatric Observations Priority Score (POPS) developed and verified by the university of Leicester, there is a sliding scale as to when temperature has a non zero score.
For infants 0-1 > 37.5 scores 1, > 39 it scores 2
for 1-2 years >38.0 scores 1 >=40 scores 2
for 2-4 >38 scores 1 >40 scores 2
for 5-12 same as 2-4 year olds
for 13-16 same as 2-4 year olds.
A POPS score of 1 or even 2 would be treated in primary care. The child could be looked after at home and I wouldn’t see the point of a test as it wouldn’t change the management.
Mate works in a school, said all Year 7s already isolating after one positive test.
If a teacher or another year group pupil tests positive in the next 2 weeks, it will be considered an “outbreak” and the entire school plus staff must isolate. Insane.
https://www.facebook.com/helpkidsdoctor/photos/a.621559738549254/626668614705033/
Temperature has a specificity of almost 0% for CoViD19 as pretty much any infection in a child will spike a temperature, from sore throat to urinary tract infections to ear infections to appendicitis to meningitis.
Cough is also very non specific.
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Don’t forget the politicians especially the ladies!
And they still manage to look good and immaculately presented whilst I’m looking more and more like a zombie apocalypse survivor.
Emma Williams
4 years ago
Important to stress that your statement “ Denmark – the country once lauded for its coronavirus response – has been placed on England’s quarantine watch list“ is most definitely incorrect at the current time. I flew in from Denmark last night after a lovely weeks holiday & am very pleased to confirm that Denmark remains on the exempt list for now …
We are off to Denmark for Christmas. The only way we are not going is if we are banned from going by either government. Quite happy to “quarantine” if necessary. Saw a chap out and about today who thinks it is our duty to continue travelling as a form of defiance. He also has a problem wearing mask as he had an operation on his nose a couple of years ago. He clearly did not understand that he did not have to wear one.I was pleased to be able to give him an exemption badge, one of a supply that my wife has printed off for us to hand out when we see people struggling. Each badge has the the government;s rules and regs printed the back to give the wearer comfort that they are within their rights to refuse to wear one.
Cecil B
4 years ago
Suggest you post something that would come from a government propaganda wonk
“I would like this opportunely to clear up a misunderstanding that appears to be circulating on social media.
Here at (insert name of business) the safety of our customers is our number one priority.
Our policy has always been ‘people before profits’.
I would like to reassure customers that at all times we comply with the the letter and spirit of the corona virus regulations
We apologise for any distress that the information circulating has caused to our customers”
Then just carry on and do as you want
(Do what the government does, only ever apologise for something you are not responsible for)
I’m sure the testing companies in order to minimise false negatives (because that would be so awful) are using high cycle rates which leads to false positives (I’m sure they have convinced themselves false negatives are worse than false positives). So we get lots of false positives, a casedemic and the government promised £100 bn to the testing companies. So a bit of an incentive to ‘minimise false negatives’.
This text could serve as a basis for letters to MPs to stop the extension to the Coronavirus Act.
From Standupx
Hold your local Mp accountable. Copy paste and email
Wwg1 wga
To all Members of the UK Government IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST
We have serious concerns that the elected government is not acting for the people. As an MP it is your duty to serve the public and protect their interests and the UK. It is clear that this has not been happening since the passing of the Coronavirus Act in March 2020 and we need your help.
We DO NOT consent to the renewal of the Coronavirus Act at its 6 month review in September because that would clearly not be in the public interest. It is not needed, as there is now a mass of information proving that this virus is in no way as severe as the government is making it out to be.
QUESTIONS:
1. Why did the UK government itself state on the 19th of March, that the Covid19 virus was NOT a “High consequence Infectious Disease”, then, on the very same day start the process of the Coronavirus Act 2020 with all its draconian rules and regulations, and going against all medical advice?
2. Why was this not called the Covid19 Act? as that was the name of the virus which we were supposed to be fighting. Instead, it was named after a group of viruses which include the common cold and Influenza, as well as other viruses for which we have not taken such draconian actions for, or destroyed our economy for?
3. The Covid19 virus has never been isolated and proven to exist! So why therefore, did the government use the words Covid19 to strike fear into the nation and bringing it to a standstill.
4. Why did the government give instruction to hospital medical doctors to place Covid19 on death certificates as the cause of death? Even when tests had not been carried out to confirm the actual cause of death? Instead, they advised doctors to include “Died with” and “suspected of having” as actual deaths from Covid19 (a virus that has never even been proven to exist).
5. Why did the government give instructions to medical staff in hospitals and care homes, to apply “Do Not Resuscitate” (DNR)notices on patients over 45, who were suspected of having Covid19? Also it issued the same instructions on disabled people suspected of having the disease, regardless of age? And why did the government give advice for elderly people in care homes with the disease, not to be admitted to hospitals? THIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO MANSLAUGHTER!
6. Why is the government using a testing method that cannot detect Covid19 and secondly, was never designed to carry out this function, as stated by its designer and originator? These tests are at best 50% accurate and repeatedly give “false positives”.
You are actually not testing for covid19, but testing for Coronavirus which could show positive even when a person has had a common cold or influenza. So why is the Government using this method to perpetuate the fear mongering statistics, and spending billions on future similar testing, wasting tax payer’s money just to support its argument. (As stated in Sunday express 06/09/2020)
7. Why did the government place a gagging order on hospital staff, instructing them not to communicate with the media, under penalty of disciplinary action?
8. Why has the Government instructed hospitals not to carry out treatments in hospitals during this period, causing the deaths of people with ongoing serious conditions, and causing around an estimated 20,000 avoidable deaths? In addition, the lack of diagnostic tests being carried out by hospitals during the last 6 months is estimated to result in future premature deaths of up to 30,000 people. Together these amount to more deaths than caused by the virus.
9. Why has the government rolled out laws around the wearing of masks in enclosed spaces, when it has never carried out any risk assessments around the dangers of wearing masks. Evidence around the wearing of masks is scientifically divided, with many saying it can actually be dangerous and cause additional diseases.
CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.
Prof Neil Ferguson has been involved with generating projected figures of COVID19 infection and mortality. Ferguson is on the management team of the “Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium”. This group is overseen and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
In the normal course of things, where experts are advising government on matters, conflicts of interest are meant to be disclosed. Bill Gates (who has no medical qualifications or training) implied in a BBC interview that he treats mass vaccination, and possibly tracking to whom these vaccinations have been administered, as a “business interest.” It appears Professor Ferguson is also involved in this “interest.” and therefore should have never been an advisor to the government.
Prof. Chris Whittey is the UK’s Chief medical officer, and involved also in advising the government with regards to the Corona virus. In 2008 he was awarded £38 million by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for Malaria research in Africa. A year later he was appointed Chief Scientific advisor to the Department for International Development.
Prof. Whitty was also part of the government’s SAGE committee, which has made recommendations about the duration of the UK’s Covid19 lockdown. Concerns are being raised about the intention to keep some of the SAGE activities secret, and the connections and conflict of interest of Prof. Whitty to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
There are also concerns about Mr Hancock having ties to a company called “Babylon healthcare services which promotes an App called “GP at Hand”. It has not escaped peoples attention that as part of Covid measures that GP’s have vastly increased their use of telephones or remote appointments.
PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE AGAINST THE PEOPLE.
In a government document entitled “Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures” (22nd March 2020) we come across the following:
a) Perceived threat. “A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened.” Action to be taken, “The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased amongst those who are complacent, using hard hitting emotional messaging.”
b) Also stated in this document it says “Use media to increase sense of personal threat”, “Consider enacting legislation to compel required behaviours” Consider use of social disapproval for failure to comply.”
This document strongly suggests that Government ministers, and/or their advisors, have committed an offense under the UK Terrorism Act .
There are many other instances of inappropriate behaviour and law breaking by this Government which we hold in reserve.
WE PLACE THIS GOVERNMENT ON NOTICE.
That “WE the PEOPLE of the UNITED KINGDOM, disagree and disapprove, of all the actions taken by the Government with regards to the alleged Covid19 Pandemic.
We request that ALL CURRENT LEGISLATION surrounding the Covid19 pandemic be removed, and life in the UK be returned to normal.
Also, that a full and detailed Public Enquiry be held as soon as possible.
We hold this Government in its entirety, responsible for all avoidable deaths caused by their draconian measures including suicides, for their lies and deceit to the people of this country, and will seek retribution in the courts for their actions.
Signed on behalf of the People of the United Kingdom.
I was inclined to disbelieve your points following your claim that Covid19 hasn’t been isolated or proven to exist. I thought that it had infact been isolated and gene coded by scientists?
Not done in the UK. Not isolated by any known UK government system. You can search for it, I’ve lost the link(!), and they will truthfully tell you that it doesn’t exist anywhere within the system.
It would be great to get an answer to the question has it been isolated? It is unclear what has been done with countering accounts in many publications.
I don’t think the PCR test will report flu as a positive. Why would it, unless flu contains the same bits of genetic code as those that you’re looking for with SARS-COV2?
I believe (shoot me down if you know otherwise) that the reason Covid was not termed a high consequence disease was the case fatality ratio did not meet the threshold, the definition being intended more for the likes of Ebola for example. If this is the case then it is just setting up an easy aunt sally to be knocked down and might risk undermining the credibility of the correspondent.
Malcom McKendrick was of the opinion that they downgraded it as they were faced with a lack of PPE before lockdown. For a high consequence disease theyay have a contractual commitment to place workers in such an environment if they are adequately protected. Naturally so.
This is the reason. It was presumably thought that the number of cases would overwhelm the designated specialist hospitals:https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcidHospital management of confirmed HCID cases Once an HCID has been confirmed by appropriate laboratory testing, cases in England should be transferred rapidly to a designated HCID Treatment Centre. Occasionally, highly probable cases may be moved to an HCID Treatment Centre before laboratory results are available. Contact HCIDsThere are 2 principal Contact HCID Treatment Centres in England:
the Royal Free London High Level Isolation Unit (HLIU)
the Newcastle Royal Victoria Infirmary HLIU.
Further support for managing confirmed contact HCID cases is provided by the Royal Liverpool Hospital and the Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Sheffield. Airborne HCIDsThere are 5 interim Airborne HCID Treatment Centres in England. Adult and paediatric services are provided by 7 NHS Trusts:
Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust (adult and paediatric services)
Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust, with a paediatric service provided by Imperial College Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
Royal Liverpool and Broadgreen University Hospitals NHS Trust, with a paediatric service provided by Alder Hey Children’s NHS Foundation Trust
Newcastle upon Tyne Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust (adult and paediatric services)
Sheffield Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust (adult service only)
Case transfer arrangementsHospital clinicians seeking to transfer confirmed HCID cases, or discuss the transfer of highly probable HCID cases, should contact the NHS England EPRR Duty Officer. It is expected that each case will have been discussed with the Imported Fever Service before discussing transfer.
Unfortunately most of the leaflet consists of the sort of language and ideas that are all too easy to defuse &/or characterise as cranky. E.g. the ‘Koch’s postulates” irrelevancy at 3, the assertion at 4 that CV19 has never been proven to exist, the ‘tests are at best 50% accurate’ figure is wrong, ‘You are actually not testing for covid19, but testing for Coronavirus which could show positive even when a person has had a common cold or influenza.’ is nonsense since the genetic code is specific to Sars Cov 2,, etc. etc. Add in the liberal use of capital letters and no-one you seek to influence is going to take any notice.
Yes, a friend of mine who is, theoretically, scientifically literate, is obsessed by false negatives. He is sure that there are loads of cases going unreported because of them. And that the government is deliberately under-reporting cases!
Until you actually come across it, you can’t quite believe that such people exist. We believe the government is exaggerating cases (with the small matter of also trying to persuade people to maintain the economy and our way of life); he believes the exact opposite and is prepared to support policies that will obviously trash his own kids’ futures in order to make life harder for Boris. The government is probably trying to triangulate a course between both troublesome sets of people.
To try and devise public policy based on false negatives is pissing in the wind. You have nothing concrete to guide you.
With false positives you can be sure that a certain level of cases will always be returned, and theoretically, you should then have a threshold over which you can be sure cases are genuinely rising.
So where are they hiding all the dead bodies? Of all the conspiracy theories, this has to be one of the most ludicrous. But I guess your friend wouldn’t like to be considered a conspiracy theorist?
Ferguson (the Good) quoted data on +ve tests by Pillar (X% for Pillar 1 and Y% for Pillar 2). Any idea where these can be found.
I’m looking at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases and can get an analysis of the number of tests under each Pillar, but only an overall total for ‘cases’.
Alison9
4 years ago
I’m still chuckling to myself about the Magnificent Seven joke (end of yesterday’s update) … Yul Brynner would make a nice subversive track and trace name!
T. Prince
4 years ago
Posted this late last night on yesterdays update, hope you don’t mind if you’ve already seen it.
“Anyone in need of a giggle?
Over on Conservative Woman there’s an article “Face-mask follies grow ever loonier”
Some budding Einstein posted this 2 minute video as evidence of how face masks work (!!). Somehow I don’t think it would pass even a modicum of academic rigour do you? If this is the best that the ‘other side’ can do…….(I commented on this and someone replied ‘why are you afraid of a mask, it won’t hurt you”!!!!
James Fergusons’s paper yesterday shows that about 99% of so-called cases are false positives. Almost no one in the UK has Covid any more.
This should be the number one issue for discussion. Why are governments across the world not declaring the FPR? It’s a big cover up, more important than all the other craziness going on.
He looks like a sickly mentally broken wretch in his tv appearances at select committees. He was being dug out of holes by his colleagues when his synapses failed him and he found himself unable to answer question. Twitter might be a stretch for him. Deserves every bit on unpleasantness coming to him. Decades of unforgivable grot.
John Stone
4 years ago
Fauci contradicts himself
Here, 4 days ago, he tells Jennifer Garner (12.55) “about 50% of all transmission occurs from an asymptomatic person”
This is evidently old footage that someone has found, and I can’t identify the occasion from other video clips – perhaps private footage bearing in mind the quality.
I wonder what are the grounds for changing his mind? The asymptomatic claim is obviously hugely incredible. He does say in there somewhere the risk from touching surfaces is negligible. He also shows how he pulls his mask up and down according to the situation, although we are told we should avoid touching our masks in the UK.
Fauci saying you should consider taking Vitamin D & C (but obviously no big deal!) is at 32 mins in the Garner interview.
T. Prince
4 years ago
Just on Victoria Derbyshire “8 out of 10 doctors think we’re heading for a second wave”!!!!!!!
I think the point is that if our response to an issue relied on the BBC reporting facts we’d never have had Brexit or a Conservative government. As it happens, the latter has turned out to be a complete disaster, but the point is that the BBC doesn’t infect the brains of enough people to set the agenda as much as it likes to think.
In the same survey though 6 out of 10 doctors believe that the backlog of care is not a priority, which is more concerning as the backlog is real rather than the hypothetical “second wave”.
So they’re happy to prepare for a potential “second wave” but in the mean time those that required treatment are not a priority and can be left to die.
people believe what is in their best interests to believe. if we’d had no furlough and shitty weather in the spring, lockdown would have ended as soon as the peak was passed in early april
Agree. I’ve said that from the start. Too many people were treating it as ‘party time’. I’m looking forward to seeing their faces when the party’s over!
I’m not surprised. I haven’t seen a decent GP for decades. In fact I haven’t seen a GP at all for over a decade.
It is scary though because they are (for some reason) so respected. I just see them as drug-pushers, on the whole. A bit like vets, you have to go to the top to meet a decent medic
My wife has a chronic condition which means GPs are somewhat unavoidable for us. She’s also been through a couple of major problems in the last decade where the GP has been involved at least part of the way. In our experience they know very little about medicine – certainly we’ve invariably seemed to know more about the problems than they have. This is what you get when someone is supposed to be a generalist – anything beyond diagnosis and prescription is totally outside their field.
Well – what do doctors know? – they’ve still got their heads down ever since the first wave turned out to be nothing special and have largely complied with the NHS ‘omerta’, I’m sad to say.
What do they mean by “wave” – are we talking about a tsunami? – or a gentle lapping on the shore? It would be useful if they were asked to put a figure on it.
But that’s enough for the gullible that have the BBC on constantly as ‘background noise’. Subliminal conditioning!
Philip P
4 years ago
Why are you bothering with Facebook? The trolls just want to get you ensnared in it, and break you.
SmokeandMirrors
4 years ago
I suspect the ‘second’ wave is the politicians’ and experts’ escape pod.
It has to happen –or it has to appear to have happened. It has to be cured – or has to appear to have been cured.
In fact, it won’t happen and it won’t need to be cured, but all efforts are now on manning the escape pod.
A second wave that didn’t happen is a second wave that has been cured and so all the toil has been worthwhile.
Or, a second wave that does happen (which it won’t) is a vindication of the management of the problem.
Thus all reputations will survive unscathed. The government can resume governing, basking in glory.
Without the ‘second wave’ how can anyone wind down all the current restrictions when it’s been painfully obvious that this should have been done weeks ago and were probably unnecessary anyway?
This has now sod all to do with public health. This is to do with the survival of egos.
I don’t believe lockdown 1 was sensible but I can understand those that did. I do not accept lockdown 2 at all, when covid deaths are 10% of flu deaths. you can’t take away our freedoms ‘just in case’.
Someone here suggested they want an excuse to impose a second lockdown/national mockdown in October. Either way, Xmas is cancelled unless a ‘compliance target’ for their next move is met.
“Resume governing”. They think they are governing now. The threat of a second wave will be with us forever, or until there’s a big change in public opinion. Pretending there is a permanent public health emergency makes “governing” a lot easier – people do as they’re told, you’re not criticised for wrecking the economy, the opposition and the media do not scrutinize you, you’re the centre of attention, you can pretend to be saving lives. Why would any politician not want that to continue? Only a politician who lived by a moral code would want to stop.
This has been the case since the middle of April. The other factor that has to be remembered when analysing the decision making is the need to perpetuate the myth of asymptomatic transmission to cover up the criminal decision to chuck (knowingly) sick people into care homes.
a) Miraculously, in the year of our Lord 2020 – which also coincided with an explosion of social media connectivity – a ‘new’ disease emerged that (uniquely?) is able to replicate itself enough so as to allow sufficient viruses to be released from an individual to be infectious without that individual’s own defence system ever being aware.
Or
b) whilst their eyes were off the ball, the world health authorities were taken by surprise by a disease that appeared to spread out of control. To cover their inefficiencies, the concept of asymptomatic transmission appeared to be extremely attractive as it exonerated their lack of vigilance. The concept was freely used to justify a wide range of knee-jerk restrictions and was accepted willingly as truth – even though it is, perhaps, implausible.
I agree the second wave nonsense is the government’s escape route. I reckon their perverse logic is something like this.
Gosh, we probably have grossly over-reacted but if we are not careful we will get blamed for trashing the economy and for all the excess deaths from non-Covid diseases. So how do we dodge that bullet? Yes, we had better pretend there is a real danger of a second wave and have a bit more of project fear for another couple of months. Deaths from Covid are unlikely to go up over that time so when we get to late November we can declare the rule of 6 has worked. It can then be announced that rule of 6 can be relaxed or even cancelled just in time for Christmas. Johnson and Handycock can then say “thanks to our wise policy we have saved your family Christmas” thinking they can be the heroes of a grateful nation. Probably they will still want muzzles until the spring by which time there will be hardly any Covid deaths as herd immunity will have been reached and at that time they will attempt to proclaim they have been totally vindicated.
All total bollocks of course but we need to remember that the overriding concern of all politicians is not “what is the best policy for the country?” but rather “how are we going to win the next election?”
No it has to do with the mass vaccination that they are planning. Unfortunately for them 1) the virus is no longer ‘deadly’ and disappearing fast 2) the vaccine trial hit an obstacle (severe adverse incident) and had to be paused.
So they are desperate to keep us terrified and cooperative therefore the continuous scaremongering about the second wave, keep people apart, make them wear masks etc.
See Open Consultation: Distributing vaccines and treatment for Covid-19 and flu
It will be manufactured. Like every other seasonal virus we are likely to see a rise in cases. Nothing out of the ordinary of course but this will be used to continue to justify the lockdown. When the number of actual cases isn’t that high they will use that as evidence that the lockdown worked and managed to keep a lid on the tsunami of illnesses we would otherwise have faced. Every sniffle, cough and cold will be viewed through suspicious eyes. They will ramp up the testing more, finding more false positives and carry on with the crap.
The MSM which appears to be slightly wavering now will watch these slight rise in numbers and in all likelihood revert back to their old positions of lockdowns good, individual freedoms bad.
I suspect at Christmas Boris will throw us a bone and say something like ‘for two days only I am suspending the rule of 6 to allow families to meet if they wish’ etc etc. The covidiots will lap this up. As long as I can have Chrimbo dinner then everything is o.k.
Yep, the R number, which is an infallible measure that everybody understands* will magically dip on Christmas Eve, yet somehow rise again about 11.38 pm on Boxing Night. Possibly because of tinsel. Or something.
How horrible, a friend has faced the same thing at the shop where she works, if it helps I reckon someone has a gripe about practically everywhere, certainly my experience of Facebook bears that out, the moaners are a tiny minority.
Lee23
4 years ago
Starmer on LBC. Supports the Rule of Six. And clearly said that’s what Scientists have recommended and that’s what they have followed. What scientists ? Let’s wait 6 months for the vague SAGE crap to be published.
Absolutely losing the will to do anything with this ongoing load of shit.
Our lives, all our lives, are being governed by SAGE. Not either political party. That’s the reality of this. Our fury – and that’s what I have is fury – is to be directed at SAGE and politicians in equal measure.
Absolutely. A number of posters on here have got stock responses from their MPs which simply state that they are following the advice and that is the right thing to do.
They should be schooled, day by day. I told my MP that I was very disappointed and (essentially) told him to get better advisors who don’t just feed him junk. The reply was much less flippant.
They should be schooled, day by day. I told my MP that I was very disappointed and (essentially) told him to get better advisors who will feed him truth instead of junk. The reply was much less flippant.
Make as many ‘fronts’ as you want and give them all ‘framing’ names.
But they are no more than interfaces to the managing of perception – and response.
Your fury will consume you. You cant ‘reach’ your targets nor would it make any difference if you could – in fact it would strengthen them as front line victims of ‘far-right terrorists’.
Too much inflammation burns in hatred.
That you are feeling betrayal, I understand.
But nothing good comes of making your self in its image.
The trap is more deeply laid and over generations.
But the more we struggle blind, the more entangled in lies.
There is a view that there is truth, by which lies are dispelled or undone.
And there is a view that vengeance takes priority over truth.
What we give priority to we give power to.
This puts YOU in the place of responsibility or indeed governance.
That you see a madness operating destructively is maddening.
Some have been seeing this throughout their lives, but your ‘world’ is just breaking – which reveals that it ran on false presumptions and invested identity.
Perhaps the force of rage can transmute to clear the Augean Stables? O r indeed sweep the Temple of interlopers?
The point of Starmer has been obvious for a long time : he is the establishment shill maneuvered into place as leader of the opposition to provide a ‘safe’ alternative in the eventuality of a change of government.
Anyone who has been awake during the last year (and able to see beyond simple political preference) will have noticed absolute continuity between the propaganda campaign around Covid and the techniques of lies and distortion focused on Corbyn, which was unprecedented in my lifetime.
The phenomenon was noted by good journalists (a rare beast) from across the political spectrum – such as Peter Oborne – as going way beyond normal partisan political debate.
I think the cycle threshholds and private testing companies will all come out in the final trials (like the cars and their emissions fix). doesn’t help us now though.
I disagree. I think it is the key issue right now when we are testing so much. The rate of false positives is causing a lot of noise and we are locking down for case numbers at the level we are, it is something that needs sorted now.
The mantra ‘test, test, test’ seems so utterly sinister right now. They want to have massive testing to ensure cases, but bury the fact that much of those are just noise.
dont misundertand me I think the FPR and testing is a massive issue and will likely give give a false lockdown. I think it will all come out in the wash but we will have double-fucked ourselves first. Pressure needs to be applied on this specific point. I write to my MP demanding to know the Ct applied in the testing companies etc
I agree, Steve. traction on this point would bring the whole house of cards crashing down. Which is why the govt will do what they can to avoid the question. I believe MH has stated that the cycle issue is being looked into but I have little doubt that even if that is true he will ignore the findings of any such investigation.
It’s a big issue, for sure, and if it can be communicated well it strengthens our case.
But I think they key issue is that same as it has always been – the virus does not represent an unprecedentted threat to public health by any reasonable measure, given the evidence we have, and unpredecented, untried measures that are obviously hugely damaging are in no way justified – such interventions are extremely hazardous and unorthodox, and the case for them continuing is almost impossible to make on the basis of the evidence from round the world.
He was able to speak with no interruptions, at least for as much as I saw (I only switched to on when I saw tonys post). Could have been worse, if he was on GMB would they just interrupt and talk over him.
As universities open their doors again with the new restrictions in place, will the more experienced students be holding a “furlough a fresher week”?
Mark
4 years ago
“We can’t keep wrecking economies…”
The trouble is they can and they are doing. Not only here but worldwide.
As each day goes by and any good news is systematically buried by the politicians, this is looking more and more like a sinister plan for a New World Order based around climate change and biosecurity pseudo-science.
Australia seems to be the test bed for each new sinister policy. Extremely worrying.
And Israel now locked down again. Just caught the last sentence of the report on the World Service – nearly all the epidemiologists in Israel have told the Govt that they should not lock down. And the reporter sounded surprised!
I suppose that’s one way of looking at it. I don’t know much about Israeli politics, but it has always seemed to me that, if nothing else, their leaders were pro-Israeli so were less likely to engage in policies that were so obviously not in the national interest. But I may be wrong.
Again, not the Mark who has been posting here for months. It’s definitely a drawback that the system should allow identical handles.
Then again, if you’re the same new Mark who has been posting for the past few days, your views seem pretty similar to my own and you express them well. You seem slightly closer to the conspiracy end of the conspiracy/cock up spectrum.
But I’ll give you fair warning that I have been accused of being racist and told that my opinions on BLM should be silenced here, so if you continue to use that handle you will run the risk of being tarred with that brush.
NWO will be a worldwide and digital control version on the style of the southern slave economy. Welcome to he plantation (when the vaccine has done its stuff).
Suey
4 years ago
Just produce your risk assessment that shows that masks put on and taken off leave all manner of unknown germs all over the place. Your risk assessment will also, of course, include links to studies that have shown masks to be ineffective (there are no studies which prove them to be effective, so no need to link to any of those), and it will also include the fact that the WHO considers masks to be pointless, and that their ‘official’ advice was changed only after political lobbying. No idea where you are, but I’d happily come every day for coffee and a bun.
Here’s Ivor Cummins’ video from the 8th Sept again. For anyone who missed it or is lurking and happens to see the page today.
40 minutes of brilliant official data analysis. https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
Heading on towards 600k views now.
Do we really ‘save ourself’ by running from feared truth to hide in more complex lies of subjection? To ‘give the knee’ by denying and abandoning those who refuse to join in hate?
Is our truth, the capacity to abide through confusion of chaos, to a love and recognition of truth – free of deceit? Is our willingness for releasing invested self-illusions that mask over the heart to lock down in fear, an aligning in self-honesty instead of temptation to react?
Do we abandon our freedom in uncovering truth in life, to be ‘saved’ by such permissions or privileges as crumbs let fall from the table of control set by fear?
We may recognize coercion as locking down and framing in defencelessness against a deceit running in and as our own perceptions and responses. The lie is never true, but has all the support given it by engaging in its framing. This is where we give power away by assigning priority to false thinking and accepting it as ‘normal’ currency.
While choking life support of the global economy, this iteration is not yet actively engaged in poisoning the novel ‘infected’ or the mass population with novel means to ‘protect’ against ‘novel infection’. As is the ‘normal’ for the (also novel HIV) – whose ‘designated antibodies’ are declared proof of infection instead of immunity.
This corona is not so novel, but a tried and tested formula of a revolving doors between regulatory bodies, institutional authorities, and financial cartels of hugely disproportionate leverage.
Where our treasure is, there is our heart invested – and given protection.
When we give our heart in wishing truth to be different than it is, we open to fear of losing what we never really had, and set defences that are blind to truth, running in our name.
This is assault, pure and simple.
As someone once said – the problem with Australia is not that so many are descended from convicts, but that so many are descended from prison guards.
I know this has been mentioned elsewhere as a likely target for Prof Heneghan’s CEBM team. As the numbers of new admissions to hospital with Covid decline, the Welsh stats are starting to have a significant distorting effect on the UK total.
The Gov’t website – at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare, glibly says: “The figures are not comparable as Wales include suspected COVID-19 patients while the other nations include only confirmed cases.”
I struggle to put tables on this site but have below (with the date in the final column):
Wales daily hospitalisations and UK daily total.
Wales as a % of the UK total and Wales as a % of the UK population (4.71%).
The ‘overcount’ if Wales simply had its ‘fair share’ of hospitalisations, and the revised UK total.
Looking at the 3 Sept as an example, the numbers hospitalised with Covid in the UK are reduced from 140 to only 77 if the Welsh figures were aligned.
Even if we thought that a positive test legitimately translated to a case (and we don’t), surely the numbers are nonsense if they include those waiting for a test result? Guilty until proven innocent?
Hospital cases are all Pillar 1 tests i.e. a proper medical diagnosis backed up by a test. The NHS England figures are, as I understand it, all confirmed pillar 1 tested cases of Covid 19. It is the UK figures that are confused by including the Welsh pending figures.
I think the point is that the media are suggesting that hospital cases are going up and so we need to check the movement in these figures to see whether they are rising or falling.
Cbird
4 years ago
Go Lord Sumption! Here he is again on TalkRadio this morning. Amongst other things, he describes Wancock as “a gimlet eyed fanatic” https://youtu.be/ipaeGea5OZE
He is excellent in his focus on the key issue of civil liberties. I almost threw up yesterday as the media banged on about the Battle of Britain whilst news bulletins preached the doctrine of totalitarianism. What an insult to the two generations that came before mine to compliment Hitler, Goebbels and Mengele with the flattery of imitation!
Bluntly – Mr Toad and the rest of the Slime have achieved more moral and social damage in 6 months than the Third Reich did in the blitz. But – hey ho – the bricks and mortar are intact – it’s just the people that are collateral damage.
Some here have written about the possibility of legal action. Sumption’s clear thinking is interesting on this : see at about 6:30 into this interview.
Good grief, Hartley-Brewer talks far too much! If she’s interviewing someone as intelligent as Sumption, she really doesn’t need to explain what answer she wants at such length, before letting him respond….
Re Vaccines that shed and then infect others that had not been vaccinated
Received the annual NHS letter re Annual Childhood Flu Immunisation Programme for schools
4.4 Special warnings and precautions for use
Vaccine recipients should be informed that Fluenz Tetra is an attenuated live virus vaccine and has the potential for transmission to immunocompromised contacts. Vaccine recipients should attempt to avoid, whenever possible, close association with severely immunocompromised individuals (e.g. bone marrow transplant recipients requiring isolation) for 1-2 weeks following vaccination. Peak incidence of vaccine virus recovery occurred 2-3 days post-vaccination in Fluenz clinical studies. In circumstances where contact with severely immunocompromised individuals is unavoidable, the potential risk of transmission of the influenza vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and transmitting wild-type influenza virus.
But “the potential risk of transmission of the influenza vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and transmitting wild-type influenza virus.”
If there is a low risk of seeing a wild influenza then there’s no point having our Flutetra because that is likely to pose more risk than going without.
Mr Malthouse added: “What we’re hoping is that we will see for the rule of six what we saw for the initial lockdown, which was extremely high compliance from the British people.”
That is because in March we believed you were operating on proper scientific advice. Now we know you’re just thrashing about with no idea what to do next.
The more rules these people invent the more the public’s contempt for them will increase. You’d think they’d realise that, wouldn’t you?
On the Today programme this morning, when pushed by Mishal Hussein he agreed that you should dob in your neighbours if they had a 7th person in their garden.
So, the kids can play with their friends in the playground at school but not in the park on the other side of the fence!
Who are these cretins?
Malthouse is an embarrasment to himself and his ‘profession’ talking without understanding what is happening. Mr Malthouse ought to be on the radio describing the progress being made into the viscious government policies that have isolated millions and caused the deaths of thousands. Is Mr Malthouse a puny man or does he just come across that way.
High compliance? Not what I observed whilst delivering. Plenty of people about visiting friends and family in the back estates. Especially after the 2nd or 3rd week. Traffic on the roads started to increase at about the same time.
Caroline Watson
4 years ago
I am a member of a church choir which has not been allowed to sing since March. I did a solo spot at one service which was incredibly good for both my morale and others who attended. I am a classically trained mezzo soprano with diplomas in singing performance and my teacher was a member of the company at the Royal Opera House, so we know how the voice works.
Last week I attended a Zoom call to do a risk assessment for a return to singing. I was there to try to dilute the nonsense coming from, mainly, teachers’ union reps. I also wanted to ensure that ‘safety’ measures didn’t interfere with the musicality of what we were trying to do and, therefore make it pointless.
There was a view that masks should be worn at all times when not actually singing. A trained singer breathes low down, holds the air, and controls the outward flow with the abdominal muscles. The shoulders and neck must be relaxed and the throat open. Covering the face will send the body into fight or flight mode, causing high breathing, tension, an unsupported voice and poor intonation. Performance anxiety can also have that effect and it is incredibly difficult to restore control. I argued that, once in the suitably spaced choir seating, masks should not be necessary at all, but I was overruled. The organist is also expected to wear one, on his own, facing away from anyone else. Playing the organ requires great concentration and physical agility.
There was then an hysterical discussion about how to send music to people without computers when it would be ‘contaminated’. There are people who literally quarantine their post!
The greatest absurdity was the view that singing could only happen in the west end with the door open. In winter! My comment that we would be protecting people from Covid to freeze them to death was ignored!
I am not prepared to compromise my integrity as a singer to participate in this choir. Fortunately I am also in a more rural one which is taking a more pragmatic and musical approach.
The Church of England is completely hysterical over this.
Not just The Church of England. My daughter did some exams last week (Summer exams postponed until now) – I asked her how she had got on. “Mum, they have to quarantine the papers for three days before they’re marked and then have to be quarantined again for three days before we get them back so we won’t know for a week”. I think some of the teachers think it is all nonsense but too many, for my liking, think this is rational and proportionate.
I am a member of our church council. I suggested I pinned up the summary minutes of our last (Zoom) meeting on our noticeboard as we have always done in the past. I was told that doing so encouraged people gathering round to read them and passing them on to each other ‘spreading the virus’. Similarly we are not allowed to print out copies of our weekly notice sheets, email distribution only. I thought this idea of spread from paper/post etc had been well dismissed ages ago but seems some still panic at the very thought.
The moment I was told that we had been instructed not to sing in Church, I said “Well, you won’t see me until I can”. I then waited for the remonstration from the others (which of course happened) “But we’ve been ordered…” and as they fell straight into my trap, I replied “Then it’s not only satanic, but you have just described the first stage of Hitler’s Germany. Have you learned nothing?”
A trained singer breathes low down, holds the air, and controls the outward flow with the abdominal muscles. The shoulders and neck must be relaxed and the throat open. Covering the face will send the body into fight or flight mode, causing high breathing, tension, an unsupported voice and poor intonation.
No wonder singing (if done as you explained) is great for health. It also improved oxygenation of cells
Jonathon Sumption 8:15 interview on BBC R4 Today Programme. Listen to it. Brilliant! Compare & contrast with the policeman on before or the cretinous Kit Malthouse.
The number 27 to High Town or the 15.09 from Paddington would appear to make fine law abiding locations for weddings and funerals. Seating for all, out of the rain. A little bit drafty perhaps but nothing more than some churches. Return tickets for increased use of the buffet.
Sophie123
4 years ago
These people should be reminded about what happened to collaborators in France after WW2. When sanity returns….
Our wonderful NHS that is letting thousands of people suffer and die while they all cower in their homes on full pay. Bastards.
I’m back of fb again for good now after 2 friends have already posted a chain thing that says something like “I’ve been wearing a mask in shops since . . . To those who would mock me for this I am educated enough to know that of I am asymptomatic I could pass it to you, I am caring enough . . . Blah blah”. So taking the moral and intellectual high ground. Classic virtue signalling tactics.
What is more disappointing is that I’m a nurse practitioner and have been working throughout in an urgent care centre. I am male over 50, with diabetes and so I’m in the high risk category; but I am trusting my immune system to respond appropriately.
I had the same posted by 3 friends ..it pissed me off , so I copied it , changed the wording and posted
It began … I havnt been wearing a mask in shopes because I’m intelligent enough to know they don’t work I went through and changed it all …it was fun LOL
I have recently unfriended 2 people who posted this crap, the worst thing is that I know the 2 people who posted actually work in administrative positions in the NHS and have been sitting on their well padded asses at home on full pay since March, courtesy of the British tax payer
Before I unfriended them I pointed this out to both of the sanctimonious ass wipes
Wales which is has a population 18 x smaller than England’s (3.1m v 56m) has over 50% of all Covid hospitalisations!!!!!!
Could this perhaps be something to do with the Welsh recording ‘suspected’ cases rather than those with a test.
I’ve only just spotted this!
I think this is political, Drakeford & the Labour Party are effectively shafting Boris (as if he needs any help on that front!).
But this is an absolute scandal, the Welsh doctors are inflating the numbers of hospitalisations astronomically.
Hi Nick,
I posted some adjusted figures for Wales earlier today, giving them their “fair share” of hospitalisations pro rata to their population – the effect on the figures is dramatic.
I think the key missing data is just how many of these poor sods being hospitalised are admitted due to covid & how many are admitted for something else and fail a PCR test on it’s 34th cycle. Also, how many are nosocomial infections, how many have come from a care home & how many from being cared for at home.
I suspect just about 0 are people who one day were kicking about the town, got infected, got ill & finished up in hospital. That’s the implied picture but I think it’s vanishingly rare.
Keep Britain Free: Life Post Covid Report I took this survey in Mid August (linked from this site( . Had email to tell me results are out Click here for full results and more info
Recusant
4 years ago
How do we dob people in to the Covid marshalls? Can we do it anonymously through crimestoppers? I should think that a few hundred false alarms would divert enough police resources for the whole thing to become unworkable.
I was thinking of emailing my MP saying I was having a gathering of 10 adults this afternoon at 3pm, giving him my address and inviting him for a chat about false positives. See if he reports me to the police
This was copied from Save Our Rights Facebook page and sums up what a load of bulshit this is.
“I live in the plague infested town of Bolton and have a close family friend of mine who is a nurse at Royal Bolton Hospital. She told me by PM this 2 days ago (on the understanding that I didn’t screenshot it) “the hospital is like a ghost town now, we have dozens and dozens of empty beds, (which is unheard of at this normally very busy hospital). We had 5 dedicated CV wards, 4 are empty and the 1 remaining has 3 patients in it.” She is petrified of losing her job, as all nurses and doctors at the hospital were sent an email, stating in no uncertain terms that they must not say anything on social media or speak to the press about what’s been happening at the hospital in recent months. The worst thing of all is that the Royal Bolton hospital (like all others) has cancelled ALL operations and treatments for the foreseeable future. 1000s of ppl are going to die because of this. This is disgraceful and an unreported national scandal.”
So I have a question for Toby whose efforts on this site are laudable and for which I am grateful: Now that TPTB (across the whole of Europe it seems) are bending over backwards to CREATE a second wave and another lockdown despite all the clinical evidence against an escalation of illness (not ‘cases’) do you really think that this is no more than a catalogue of incompetence and not a global agenda of some sort? Johnson, Hancock et al have all seen the figures we have seen, they know a second lockdown will be economic suicide (in whatever guise) and yet they insist on pursuing it, as do other countries. Are they all just incompetent? I work in the storytelling industry and no editor would buy that implausible explanation for a minute now given the narrative that has unfolded.
A global agenda by which who gains? And if there are global forces powerful enough to prevent democratic governments to function as democratic governments, then why go to all this trouble? There are easier ways than concocting something that is difficult to set off, even more difficult to control once set off, and yet so many “special people” seem able to see through it so clearly. The economic devastation alone, never mind the numbers of highly dangerous hungry people with absolutely nothing to lose, would give any wannabe world-leader-megalomaniac a total nightmare to control. Does that sound like good planning to you? It sure as hell doesn’t to me, the very opposite in fact.
A better understanding of politics may be required, certainly in the larger countries. The government now admits that it got it wrong, that it shut down the economy for no real reason, all by accident, then that government will fall. It will fall because it will get every penny it has sued out of it by those who have suffered because of lockdown. At the very least, that party will face annihilation at the next election. In most countries, expect criminal proceedings.
They fear a lack of a second wave not because of “global forces” or whatever nonsense the conspiracy loons have dreamed up today, but because they fear their electorates. And with good reason. Because they will be slung from power, and all those concerned will face inquiries, commissions and, in many countries, criminal trials.
I’d love to think the end of your third para carried weight but I doubt it. But when you talk about ‘conspiracy loons’ you are pretty much doing the establishment’s job for them. The WEF exists, Davos exists, Face Masks For All exists. (Face masks for everyone on the planet, all the time. No agenda there? A massive symbol of compliance?) I was called a conspiracy nut when I suggested really early on that WMD was a hoax, how’d that play out? People who were fighting against the tobacco industry in the 1960s, claiming it was harmful to health and the public should be made aware, were called conspiracy nuts. At a time when many doctors recommended smoking. What happened there?
That the organisations exist doesn’t necessarily mean they are controlling things.
There’s a plot in the second radio series of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy about a planet where the economy was driven past the point where it became impossible to build anything other than shoe shops (called the shoe event horizon). The people evolved into birds and refused ever to set foot on the ground again. Part of the story involves an evil shoe corporation which has what they call a “shoe shop intensifier ray” ostensibly designed to force the creation of shoe shops, but the truth is that the ray does nothing, the shoe event horizon is a sad, but natural feature of economics and the corporation has simply convinced themselves that they are responsible because it seems exciting.
Now, we know that some political movements do get the ear of some government ministers at some times – witness Michael Gove fawning over Saint Greta – but it’s a much bigger ask to believe that the entire political establishments of most countries have been taken over by these groups. Indeed, if they had, we’d expect their policies to be much more closely aligned instead of randomy authoritarian with some cross-influence (such as the way Johnson has followed nearly everything that Sturgeon has enacted). There’ll be some influence, certainly – I’ve no doubt that SAGE will have used faked research from face mask pressure groups to claim they are useful – but that’s not the same as saying that our government is actively pursuing an agenda set down by those organisations.
The annoying thing is that even if a percentage of those doctors and nurses spoke up, you couldn’t sack them all and even if they did try to do that, surely it would trigger others in the profession speaking out in disgust as it potentially has meant a close friend, mentor etc being unfairly treated.
….this is an ideal world scenario, which as well know doesn’t exist anymore.
What is the end game of all these empty hospitals? A conspiracy theorist would say this is a means of killing people by negligence as part of Agenda 2030 and the green agenda’s population control. Threatening NHS staff with unemployment for speaking out is sinister and the actions of a despotic government.
But when have you ever come across an extermination programme where they didn’t care who the victims were or even if they might end up amongst them themselves? Genodicial maniacs usually target particular groups, sometimes ethnic or religious, sometimes based on a perceived threat to the regime. Closing hospitals to regular patients doesn’t do that – it means that the victims are more-or-less random other than there being a bias toward the elderly – and could easily include themselves if the shutdown prevented them being diagnosed with a cancer that is treatable in its early stages.
I mentioned yesterday that a girl i know 22 years old died because she didn’t get the transplant she needed, a transplant of an organ from her sister i might add. One of the shills pretending to be on our side called me out on it like i was lying. It’s horrendous. I don’t what it’s gonna take to sort this out. And watch out for the “friendly” posters whom i believe are at work for the state to so division.
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Are you breaking the law at all, KH? From memory, I don’t think you are – guidance maybe – but not law. In which case you are ok with the police, if they turn up. Snitchers are still twats, though.
support groups – formally organised groups to provide mutual aid, therapy or any other form of support. This includes support to victims of crime, recovering addicts, new parents, people with long-term illnesses, those facing issues relating to their sexuality or gender, and those who have suffered bereavement.
so, lockdown sceptic support groups would be legal if ‘formally organised’
It could also be applicable to people who need support from the stress brought on from what the government are doing, there are a lot of people like that now.
Very good to know. I am trying to get an anti corona support group going in my town. With hopefully the extra agenda of planning political pressure.
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
As usual, Laworfiction has good stuff. Further to Suey’s good comment about risk assessments:
It is essential to appreciate that the health and safety assessment required is not of the risk of transmission of the Covid-19 virus. The assessment required is of the risk of significant danger. Those are fundamentally different issues. For illustration, risk of transmission of a common cold or flu virus may be high, but the risk of significant danger to the staff is extremely small.
Nsklent
4 years ago
Results of a survey FYI
A massive 5,416 people took part in the survey including:
1,375 members of Keep Britain Free2,621 people who followed KBF on social media or used the website1,420 people who do not follow KBF who will have seen retweets of the survey request.
The survey was designed to represent the views of people who are unhappy with decisions the UK government has taken in the past six months. We think it is the most comprehensive survey of its kind at this time. Response so far has been very positive.
My top findings are:
9/10 people who took part in the survey are extremely concerned about the ways in which the government has taken decisions in the past 6 months. 9/10 think decisions have been taken by the UK government in the past 6 month in an illogical way, 8/10 inconsistently.When asked who they think had the most significant influence on decisions taken by the government, scientific advisers outranked MPs by more than four to one (selected by 8/10 and 2/10 respectively).A third of those working are unsure of their future.Three quarters would like a specific/named GP who they are able to see when they need to do so; three quarters would like in person consultations.Amongst those with school age children more than 9/10 (94%) thought it was safe for children to return to school. Only 1 out of 1,652 parents felt school was unsafe due to Covid.98% agree we need to restore joy to life.97% agree the government willneed to work hard to restore trust.
So im a Conspiracy Theorist HA! a term invented by the lame stream media to discredit those who can smell and see through the government/media lies and propaganda #researchanddestroy
Results of the Keep Britain Free survey on Life Post Covid, that will be submitted to the House of Lords Life Post Covid committee.
A massive 5,416 people took part in the survey including:
1,375 members of Keep Britain Free
2,621 people who followed KBF on social media or used the website
1,420 people who do not follow KBF who will have seen retweets of the survey request.
The survey was designed to represent the views of people who are unhappy with decisions the UK government has taken in the past six months. We think it is the most comprehensive survey of its kind at this time. Response so far has been very positive. Top findings are:
9/10 people who took part in the survey are extremely concerned about the ways in which the government has taken decisions in the past 6 months.
9/10 think decisions have been taken by the UK government in the past 6 month in an illogical way, 8/10 inconsistently.
When asked who they think had the most significant influence on decisions taken by the government, scientific advisers outranked MPs by more than four to one (selected by 8/10 and 2/10 respectively).
A third of those working are unsure of their future.
Three quarters would like a specific/named GP who they are able to see when they need to do so; three quarters would like in person consultations.
Amongst those with school age children more than 9/10 (94%) thought it was safe for children to return to school.
Only 1 out of 1,652 parents felt school was unsafe due to Covid.
98% agree we need to restore joy to life.
97% agree the government will need to work hard to restore trust.
Take the DT with a pinch of salt. They’ll post a new article shortly after this one blowing smoke up his arse. All they do is gaslight their readers which is why I cancelled my subscription.
Powerful interests, which I suspect got at him with their orders when he was “ill in hospital”. We know the IMF tried to bribe Belarus into maskist-lockdownism.
Not the IMF specifically but this does seem to have been exploited by the big global orgs and their backers to push their agendas. Not saying that’s definitely true as not every country is in line. But I have been very suspicious.
True, they might not be issuing blunt orders but they can still have vast influence to get their way. Of course the main event could still be a giant global groupthinky cock-up followed by cover-up. It just all feels really cynical though.
100% they would not ccomply with lockdown so the usual suspects were sent in to stir the trouble up. Noticed how the msm are whipping it up over here also..
The general thesis is here from PM Castex
“We are, he said, going to have to learn to live with Covid, which will be with us “for several months”. It is up to the citizens to be responsible and behave themselves in line with preventive guidelines – and for local authorities to impose such restrictions as they feel necessary in their own districts.”
The theme is – there will be no 2nd lockdown; life goes on uninterrupted by Government; sport with crowds is resuming
So the French know how to Keep Calm and Carry On – if only they had a word for insouciance!
jhfreedom
4 years ago
Here is the Sumption interview on Today this morning:
Bastards.Similar attacks on businesses and individuals regularly appear on a FB page in my town.The spite,vitriol and sometimes calls for violence or intense nazi style police action are unbelievable,a lot of these people are dangerously deranged.The moderator of the page must agree with the comments because even if I report them they are never removed.
A guy in Sainsbury’s complained to a staff member about me not having a mask. The guy clearly had mental health issues. The Sainsbury’s guy defended me. He didn’t know there were exemptions. So, as directed by Cressida Dick, people with mental health issues and people ignorant of the law are essentially enforcing draconian laws on their neighbours.
“The death rate is still several times higher than it was when we first decided to STAY AT HOME. We haven’t been out since early March and don’t intend to go out any time soon. There are plenty like us (which is thought to be why the death rate isn’t, yet, accelerating as fast as the infection rate at the moment).”
This person is a pilot, so obviously not a thicko. I can’t tell you how angry I am that people are being made to feel this way.
Its sad that the propaganda is working this way, but if they feel that way, they should stay at home, while the rest who don’t feel that way should live normally. The government has lost the plot and it’s no accident.
CORRECTION: This person WAS a pilot, because civil aviation will not exist after the sick, twisted mentality that they are exhibiting has run its course and completely destroyed our society and economy. Fucking prick deserves everything they get.
I expect he has a nice abode with garden, which makes the self-isolating lark a bit easier.
One wonders how his immune system will function if he ever emerges..
Yes, I recognise which forum you are talking about. There seems to be a large number of contributors on there who have taken to the official line 100% which seems to be strange when most are highly technically qualified. However a few sceptics seem to stick their neck out from time to time.
What is their long term plan? To stay at home forever?
Don't say much
4 years ago
Hi everyone, this is my first comment after lurking for while here. I have just read Lord Sumptions article and I noticed a distinct pattern in the likes, in the comments section.
I had a look at the first 20 comments 7 were negative, 2 neutral and 11 positive. The negs had a total of 6 thumbs up I.e less than 1 per comment by contrast the 11 positives had 217 likes or nigh on 20 each.
I know it’s just a straw in the wind, but hopefully it’s a sign that things are starting to go our way.
I think the way to go here is with facts and data mate. Calling it a hoax from the off isn’t going to persuade Joe Public to read it, even the more scepticle ones.
I do agree on the leafletting campaign though, we gotta get out and in peoples faces before it’s too late.
At the risk of thinking for you I’ve taken the liberty of not copying the word hoax. See how it turned out?
Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA
I can demolish the whole coronavirus nonsense in less than three minutes. Everything in this list can be verified.
1. Many doctors, including Dr Fauci, the American coronavirus supremo, have admitted that the risk of dying of the coronavirus may be similar to the risk with the flu.
2. The flu can kill 650,000 people a year around the world. Even though governments everywhere have admitted fiddling their totals, the covid-19 death total is only now approaching the global flu total.
3. Here’s how they fiddled the figures. In the UK, for example, anyone who tested positive for the coronavirus and subsequently died, was officially a covid-19 death – whatever else they had wrong with them.
4. The vast majority of those dying of the coronavirus were over 80 and had many other health problems. The risk for fit, young individuals is very small. The risk for children is smaller than the risk of being hit by lightning.
5. Research has shown that masks are dangerous, don’t prevent the spread of infection and almost certainly do more harm than good. The virus can go straight through the material of a mask. And mask wearing affects blood oxygen levels. At least two people have died through wearing masks. I’ve quoted figures and papers on my website http://www.vernoncoleman.com and in other videos on YouTube.
6. Many of those promoting the coronavirus horror story are linked in some way to the vaccine industry or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation – which itself has strong financial links to the vaccine industry. For example, the Chief Scientific Advisor in the UK was formerly a senior executive at GSK – one of the big vaccine makers.
7. The British Government has admitted that at least four times as many people have died as a result of the lockdowns and other control measures as will have died from the coronavirus. The remedy has been much deadlier than the disease. Millions are waiting for cancer tests and treatment because hospitals were closed. And some hospital departments in the UK are still closed.
8. Neil Ferguson, the man whose predictions led to the lockdowns had produced a number of inaccurate predictions before he made wildly pessimistic predictions about the coronavirus. His track record is appalling. The college where he works has financial links to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and vaccines.
9. Exactly the same mistakes have been made in almost every country in the world. For example, sick old people were taken out of hospital and dumped in care homes – resulting in tens of thousands of deaths in each country. That couldn’t be a coincidence – so it had to be a plan. If you remove the care home deaths from the UK total you end up with a maximum of around 20,000 deaths (though that is a massive exaggeration because they included flu and anyone who tested positive) which is much smaller than the annual flu death total.
10. The number of people who have caught the coronavirus worldwide is now said to be around 10 million. But the flu can affect 1 billion in a single year.
These are facts which cannot be disputed, though they are being suppressed. Print out the list and give copies to doubters. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would still want to wear a mask once they are aware of these simple facts.
(3) is incorrect. This is not how deaths in the UK were reported.
(4) is incorrect. The ONS figures for deaths in England and Wales involving COVID-19 registered up to 28 August 2020, by age group and sex
Men under 85: 18650; 85 or over: 10118
Women under 85: 11557; 85 or over: 11957
Total under 85: 30107; 85 or over: 22075
(7) is an illogical comparison. Comparing deaths from different causes under lockdown tells you nothing about whether death tolls would have been greater or less under some other scenario.
Loads of leaflets, what is going to stop any of this, can we? Can’t believe even the most fanatical covid believer wouldnt want to at least question what is happening
Jimmy
4 years ago
It is a scientific fact that there is no Covid-19 test. The RT-PCR test being used by governments can only ever report the presence of genetic material in a sample. It cannot report anything about the nature of that genetic material present and there is a myriad of sources of generic material in the fluids sampled from the human body. It is a scientific fact that no Covid-19 novel virus has ever been identified because no such virus has ever been purified, electron-micrographed, and genetically sequenced. So there is nothing to compare the RT-PCR generated positive sample to in order to claim a Covid-19 positive test return. Thus, ALL reports of positive Covid-19 patients are false; every single one of them. But everything is being reported by government and the media as Covid-19 positive. Moreover, 99% of alleged Covid-19 cases are mild, and 99.85% of all cases fully recover. Of the 0.15% that do not fully recover, those that have died mostly in their 80s, 90s, and over 100 years of age and most with other illnesses that have weakened them; precisely those who die all the time from influenza. It is impossible to prevent all these people from dying from influenza. In even finer perspective, 1.6 million people die every year around the world from tuberculosis, 1.4 million children under 5 die of pneumonia every year, every year up to 1 billion people contract influenza and up to 650,000 die from it. Tobacco kills at least 3 million people every year and similarly for alcohol abuse. In Australia, about 430 people are admitted to hospitals across the country every single day for acute alcohol poisoning and if not for medical intervention most, if not all of them, would die. But there have been no gaol lockdowns for influenza, tuberculosis, tobacco, or alcohol, and no frantic efforts to produce miraculous ‘vaccines’ in a few months for any, when actual vaccines take at least 10 years to develop and must undergo extensive testing.
It is a scientific fact that no Covid-19 novel virus has ever been identified because no such virus has ever been purified, electron-micrographed, and genetically sequenced
Just to point out that either you’re using most of the words in that sentence in a rather idiosyncratic way, or an awful lot of people (some of whom I actually know) are lying their heads off.
My understanding is that numerous scientists, and as I say I know a few, have claimed to have done all of those things. Perhaps it’s some verbal quibble, or perhaps all those claims are false. Or perhaps the post is simply incorrect.
This new party I keep hearing about needs to up and running, making noise and going for the jugular before the end of the week. It needs to get a groundswell of members/supporters officially signed up and also encourage those members, who are members of the useless big 3, to cancel their memberships and explain to their lords and master why.
The window he is very short. If that sunset clause doesn’t get invoked then we’re well and truly screwed. This isn’t going to stop at the “rule of six”, they’ll be coming at us on the internet.
Come on Toby, us plebs are itching to get going !
Agree. We need this up and running and in the news challenging the narrative
Kf99
4 years ago
Surprised to get a reply to my letter about Sturgeon using Covid to unilaterally extend her powers from Alister Jack – Secretary of State. He addressed the question and it’s not a stock reply. He seems pretty switched on to the issues.
Roughly that Westminster is sovereign, and can legislate on any issue, it is only by convention that it doesn’t intervene in devolved matters. (Meaning to me that they would if need be…)
Pretty depressing experience this morning going for a chest x-ray (cancer). The receptionist waved a mask at me but I said I can’t wear one so she very politely said “that’s fine, we just have to ask”.
Waiting room with nearly 40 seats and about 7 or 8 masked victims sitting spaced around it, big red crosses on all the other seats. During my half hour or so wait, three people (all of them not particularly healthy looking, one in particular elderly and shuffling, with a walking stick, and clearly not breathing well through the mask though probably due to underlying issues rather than the mask itself but presumably that doesn’t help) were told they’d turned up too early and asked to return in 15-20 minutes as the waiting room was “a little crowded”(!)
Rules over humanity, basically, and stupid pointless rules, at that.
I agree with your observations. As a frequent flier in health environments, I have the utmost respect in general for the individuals I deal with.
But the top-down inversion of normal medical ethics that you outline and I too see is quite incomprehensible. The normal harm/benefit equation has been thrown out the window, let alone any realistic assessment of risk from a fairly ordinary virus that has clearly virtually disappeared into the statistical noise.
Clearly in the NHS it’s mostly institutionally imposed and very difficult to fight, for any individual. But a fair few of the staff are true believers as well, including even among the senior clinical staff. As you rightly say, it’s the reverse of what medical ethics should dictate.
Some big questions to ask of the medical profession if and when all this is over, I think.
After WW2 there was a doctors’ trial, calling some of them at least to account for their monstrous betrayal of the ethical standards of their profession.
Ah,the BID bitch,I knew she would have to get involved !,I hope you gave her both barrels and some !,god forbid that the chairwoman of business improvement might actually stand up for a business !.
Stick with it Kh,you are an absolute hero for keeping your business going with compassion and sanity whilst all around you are evil people trying to bring you down,I am certain that the overwhelming majority of your customers really appreciate all of your hard work and whilst most of us on here are too far away to be with you physically,we are all with you in spirit.
Have you reported the Facebook group to Facebook? If you haven’t then I definitely would, and I wouldn’t go easy on them either. I’d mention that the posts contain bullying, harrassment, threats, slander or defamation, and that Facebook by hosting the group is liable and that if the posts are not removed within 24 hours you will be taking legal action. I’d also make clear that you’ve had harassment in person as well due the posts in this group.
Cecil B
4 years ago
We were promised it would all be over in three weeks.
Seven months later we find ourselves living under a dictatorship
The safest option might to be to leave the country and see how this things develops
I know people who have left for these reasons
This may get a lot, lot worse
To escape with your life may be the best you can hope for
If/when we go all the way into the dystopian hell of permanent totalitarian technocracy, to escape this place with my soul intact is the best I am hoping for.
Yes, but where to go? If this is part of a worldwide conspiracy even Sweden may not be safe forever. The future looks increasingly like it’s going to be health passports to do virtually anything, together with massive surveillance and control of populations. I’m not sure there’s anywhere to go.
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
There is one thing about this utter madness that you can’t deny, and that it’s not amusing and entertaining.
We went to visit our elder son and his partner last Saturday and of course the usual ” wash your hands and social distance” bit ( I always pretend to wash my hands/sanitize) in these situations
My wife had purchased a car a few days before and of course our son and his partner went to look at it.
Now comes the amusing bit, she “social distanced” from the car.
I rest my case!
I have just read what Will picked out from the govt consultation paper about the unlicensed vaccine. A number of us have posted about this in recent weeks, but there are no end to the horrors which continue to reveal themselves:
If manufacturers are asked to supply an unlicensed medicine… it is unfair also to ask them to take responsibility for the consequences of the use of that medicine in the way that they normally would
As I told them (across several replies) in the consultation, if it’s unlicenced, hasn’t been rigorously tested, is administered by an unqualified person, those responsible cannot be held to account if it goes wrong, and the law must be amended for it to be administered, then I don’t want it.
So they say, but it doesn’t feel like that in Melbourne at the moment. I am only allowed out for 1 hour a day, but when I when I do go out, there are police everywhere, menacing and looking for trouble. Police helicopters overhead day and night.
I heard an interview with Melbourne’s Chief of Police explaining why they don’t challenge BLM protests. Apparently it’s because they have a history of violence (as in USA) and Police Chief doesn’t want to exacerbate the situation. So just knock the shit out of peaceful protesters. And so the message is: Er, you don’t get what you want unless you are violent. Good thinking Batman. Can we see where this is going?
I just went for a walk. There is a new sign in the park that says “Nitrous oxide is no laughing matter”.
I demand a full hard lockdown and strict curfew until all nitrous oxide deaths globally are eradicated. I want the NHS to deal with nitrous oxide cases only. All other treatment must stop immediately. All functioning society as we know it must cease until nitrous oxide is a thing of the past.
Stay safe folks and ffs wear a damn mask if you’re around anybody inhaling nitrous oxide.
a lot of people die ‘with’ athletes foot. I don’t think it gets enough attention. 600,000 people die a year in the UK after a positive athletes foot diagnosis
sorry … so used to writing CO2 on climate sceptic sites
James Marker
4 years ago
Some SAGE members steadfastly refuse to admit that they have been wrong all along, despite all the evidence now staring them in the face (most notably, the data from Sweden). Sadly, no one in the government seems to have the scientific literacy either to challenge these people or to seek a second opinion from experts such as Anders Tegnell, Carl Heneghan and Sunetra Gupta. To listen to the temerity of some SAGE members (Peter Openshaw, for example) you would think the cabinet is simply there to do as SAGE commands. Why does the government put up with these people? The sheer incompetence of Boris et al. is compounded by the fact that several SAGE members barely disguise the fact that they hate conservatism and would happily destroy it.
Well, I have a degree in a science, but I wouldn’t call myself a scientist.
I think the label is highly questionable when it comes to committee types, like those who sit on SAGE.
And individuals such as Neil Ferguson, I would not classify as “scientists” anyway. He’s a computer modeller with a physics degree.
Usually in science, the more that people study, the more specialised they become.
So it would not be reasonable to suggest that a physicist would know anything about chemistry and vice versa although they are both scientists.
And it would not be reasonable to suggest that an organic chemist would know a huge amount about crystallography, and vice versa, although they are both chemists.
instead of having the “alternative SAGE” who are just a bunch of left leaning agitators, we need a “Real Alternative SAGE” . with scientists who are not satisfied with what is happening
Basically to act as a Red Team
This should be mandatory for any government decision making.
Wasn’t it fatso dePfeffle who finally decided to come out for Brexit after writing separate essays pro and anti Brexit and seeing which looked best.
Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that celebrities are entirely synthetic, and are completely in the service of the system. The sub-humans posting supportive comments deserve maximum pain and suffering, and they will get it too.
It is designed to pick up specific sequences of the genome of the SARS-Cov-2 virus that only that virus has.
The problem with that is obvious, however.
The specific sequence that the PCR test picks up may not be of live virus. It may just be a piece of “dead” virus, not infectious “live” virus. The infection may have passed even several months ago. It is way too sensitive as used in the UK. So a positive test does not equal infection.
A “case” occurs when a person presents with symptoms of the disease that the SARS-Cov-2 virus produces. That disease is Covid-19. So again, a positive test does not equal a case.
All the PCR test does is confirm that the virus (SARS-Cov-2) has sometime in the past few months been present in the individual tested.
And if that person was never sick then the virus in them did not produce the disease Covid-19.
If the sensitivity of the test is reduced then it may begin to pick up people with live, infectious virus, but at the moment you can’t tell those from the ones just carrying bits of dead virus.
But in any event, the test (like all diagnostic tests) will never be 100% accurate.
Most of us have probably heard of Event 201 but I for one had not heard about ‘Crimson Contaigon’ before:
‘In his role as ASPR, Kadlec oversaw a joint exercise in 2019 named “Crimson Contagion.” The drill included the National Security Council, the Pentagon, the Department of Homeland Security and a raft of other government agencies and simulated the US government’s response to a viral pandemic originating in China and spreading around the globe. Like Dark Winter, the “Crimson Contagion” exercise took place just months before the events it was simulating began to play out in real life. And, like Dark Winter, it gave participants like Kadlec the chance to argue that biosecurity was a pressing national security challenge that the country was ill-prepared to meet—an argument that he made to Congress with Dr. Anthony Fauci by his side just one week before the first reports of the novel coronavirus spreading in China.’ ( https://archive.org/details/crimson-contagion-2019/page/29/mode/2up )
Assuming this to be true, then okay, you would probably expect the authorities to model what might happen in a pandemic originating from China and how they would deal with it.
Especially. given that about a quarter of the world’s population live in China and this is where other recent pandemics (SARS, bird flu) came from.
That doesn’t mean that it’s all part of some devious plot for world domination.
Would you believe; Myself and Jonathan Sumption were born on the same day (9th December 1948) but that’s where the similarity ends, well apart from our attitude to the lockdown.
The government’s vaccination consultation documents are heavyweight and I admit I haven’t much of a head for that. What do people feel are the most important things to comment on? I already can see the issues re non-responsibility if someone dies from the vaccine….what else should we focus on?
I said that a vaccine should be voluntary, and should not be mandated. There should be no waiver for responsibility for a new vaccine where the long-term effects will not be known for possibly years.
The non-responsibility if someone has severe side effects (or as you say, dies) is obviously huge, and this applies basically across the board – companies, marketeers, everyone involved in it. Very concerning. Also there is mention of recruiting large numbers of people to administer the vaccine, presumably only a small % of them might be previously medically trained. They too will be exempt from all liability. Big, big red flag.
No thanks to the bonkers, inhuman and draconian antisocial distancing and mandatory muzzling; our abysmal visitor figures has meant that my workplace has announced restructuring measures which will mean that more jobs will go. My colleagues and I are at risk at these proposals. I saw this coming months ago even before any redundancies were even announced.
Voluntary redundancy has been reopened in order to avoid or minimise the risk of compulsory ones. As I’ve said more than once this should never have happened and I lay the blame on Johnson. Wancock, Ferguson, Whitty and Vallance.
Also included in the blame are the lockdownistas who have swallowed the propaganda whole and seem to have little sympathy for those who are suffering from the effects of lockdown, social distancing and mandatory masking.I can only surmise that their fear has led them to lose perspective or because they’re financially cushioned that they have lost sight of the big picture.
What will it take for the government and people to wake up to the damage being caused by what was supposed to be a temporary measure?
Sorry to hear this. I went to visit a museum in the London area yesterday. On the way back into my flat in commuter land, I bumped into my somewhat dull next door neighbour*. He was not impressed to learn that I had visited an attraction and had fun (little does he know I’ve been doing this since June). ‘Why would you do such a thing…’ and so on. The interesting thing is he believes businesses, and leisure attractions are receiving high levels of government support and are in no danger at all. This might explain a lot of the mentality in this country. People are in for a rude awakening.
*I should explain a bit. My neighbour is a local, and in my commuter town, there is a big, big split between the locals and ‘incomers’, i.e. commuters and professionals. We lead largely separate lives and there is very little interaction across the barrier. Lockdown has made this problem worse as the chavvy locals seem to love causing social distancing and mask related upsets.
Where I work receives no government funding and every penny made from ticket and retail sales is plowed straight back to pay for our salaries and operations such as conservation work.
Even those that receive state funding are in deep trouble from what I’ve heard and like us are suffering from dire visitor numbers.
When I’ve been in conversation with staff at London area galleries and museums, they have the problem of no high spending foreign visitors…! Very sorry to hear of your travails..!
Yep. We are all in the same boat and we also missed out on the summer holidays as well when we usually get families and coach parties from all across the UK.
Cecil B
4 years ago
New
The wonderboy Henegan ripping the dictatorship a new one in the Spectator
JohnMac
4 years ago
Legal question. Suppose your family comes over for Christmas and then your neighbour tips off the cops that you may have more than six people in your home.
So the cops come to your home to check.
Do you have to let them in?
I think there needs to be an established breach of the peace to force entry. Plus it would take a particularly miserable neighbour and police officer to do this at Christmas.
Would they need a warrant of some kind to enter? At which point your extra guest hides under the stairs or whips out through the back door for a temporary period.
That’s a really stupid reply because it’s actually quite an important point.
If you know that you don’t have to let the police in then you can go ahead and invite whoever you like, and not have your family Christmas spoiled.
Actually it was you that was rude to me, and now you want to whine about it. Grow up.
My point about finding out the legal situation was perfectly correct.
You say the law might change before Christmas. So what? It will still be good to know what the law is when the time comes.
A more likely scenario is someone with a grievance tipping off the police. For example, I can imagine my spiteful ex reporting me & my family having a normal Christmas with extended family. What can one do?
This was covered by a police Chief on radio interview on the day after the announcement. Police cannot enter without warrant etc. He said.
As others here pointed out they have excuses of in the interests of public safety. It would be a large step for police to enter a home on a tip from a neighbour over a family gathering. Not proportionate given the meetings and socialising happening in workplaces, pubs and transport, etc.
Perhaps he has a temperature an it is really COVID but he just has to carry on regardless, or he refuses to admit to himself that he might have a health problem.
Unis won’t hold their nerve. From what I have been told they are safety-mad. Long after this bollocks has more or less gone, unis will be enforcing bullshit rules – who will stop them? They are independent.
coalencanth12
4 years ago
That was a blast from the past, Mark Walport. This individual used to be our chief exec, I don’t think he’s been an active coal face scientist/clinician for many a year, so I’m not sure why he is mouthing off. We all thought it was a bit odd he was put on SAGE actually – the way it was pitched to me was he was there to listen and connect up any UKRI research (say supercomputers or crystallography) with university groups who needed help on their covid projects.
On that note, I’ve noticed an odd pattern in my field of scientists with some kind of ‘connection’ to the Oxford vaccine project, or have some peripheral technology they are trying to flog as coronavirus ‘tests’ being very keen on keeping the panic levels high. A few buildings on my site, some of these characters have managed to get face masks made compulsory. This is causing some resentment as ‘clerical’ and theory/computing people are quite comfortably sitting at home for the foreseeable, whereas experimentalists and technicians are having to sit there with face nappies on all day (needless to say this is ignored whenever Professor Big-Shot has absented himself, which is frequent)
My place is slowly getting back to work, no masks but strictly enforced 2m spacing. We’re being encouraged to go back, I suspect the civil service department above us is getting pressure to send us back.
If by some miracle we manage to turn this around, can we honestly say with hand on heart that the vast majority of our species deserves to live in any kind of freedom and prosperity? The answer for me is a resounding no.
This has been a massive teaching for me. We live on a planet of cretins.
My family are still together. Despite some differences. Don’t have any bedwetter friends so that is OK. Got a campaign going on Faceache using humour. One “friend” just posted the recent Ivor Cummings video, quite unexpected and a real boost.
Or conformists hiding under the counter and waiting for it to just go away. Lots and lots of those.
When this ends, AS IT WILL, we’ll have to get on with the conformists somehow.The true cretins and zombies are another matter.
So it would seem. Selfishly, I want the majority to live in freedom and prosperity so that I can. Unless someone gives us some countries to inhabit, we’re stuck with the rest of them
This has been one of the most depressing things about this. Most of the population have no concept of freedom and believe absolutely everything the government and msm tell them, regardless of how little it makes sense.
Planet of the Cretins. A new, blockbuster film. Starring … The list is too long for this blog.
willhhand
4 years ago
A lovely sunny day up here on Dartmoor. No masks in these parts of course but the shite continues. Even though we have had zero COVID deaths and only a handful of symptomatic cases the same rules of six apply. But none of us are snitches in our little hamlet, so if anyone wants to have a bit of a get together that will be fair go. Getting angry though now at what is happening elsewhere, especially in the towns and cities. Pictures of masked zombies roaming the streets is not what we want to see. So lucky to live where I am in deepest rural Devon.
Polemon2
4 years ago
BBC World at One getting very excited about the difficulty of getting people tested. Presumably this will be reflected in the statistics in due course.
OK, I guess the numbers still increase remorselessly. How else could current policies be justified.
More of the same unpoliceable legislation that’s easily ignored. But more of the same tension racheting alarmism from “alternative” media. That’s how you can tell it’s controlled.
“Covid-19” – please note the use of quotation marks – is a disease that doesn’t exist. It is an umbrella term for death from other causes that have been designated to give the impression of the existence of a virulent plague. The vast majority of “Covid-19” dead were hospital population, with a big proportion having already been resident in hospital at the beginning of the episode in March. Twenty five thousand (and this is believed to be a figure for the entire UK) were sent into care homes where, as it has been reported, 20,000 people died of “Covid-19”. This figure could be smaller because the reportage from which it was obtained originated before a review and downscaling of the official death toll in August.
Normally there are 360,000 cancer diagnoses per year, about 1,000/day. Currently there are 500/day.
Normally there are 160,000 cancer deaths per years. Let’s see how many this year.
Mmany thanks. I’ve always liked Sikora, such a nice man, but I suspect that he has a lot of splinters in his bum from all the fence sitting he has been doing.
Indeed it would be good to see him come out a bit more strongly, but he’s pushing in the right direction and less vulnerable to attack from lockdowners
That Dr. John what’s his name (who j really get annoyed by) did a pro mask video a few weeks ago on YouTube. He is a mask lover of the highest order following his own confirmation of his own self bias.
I actually tried to replicate his conclusions and could not. I could easily blow out a candle with and without a mask.
I concluded that if I wanted to do a video that shows a mask to be effective it would be easy to pretend that your blowing a candle when your not.
Didn’t say it solved anything. It’s sums it up perfectly though.
JulieR
4 years ago
Just walked on London Bridge. A few people were wearing masks despite being outside in such nice weather. All of them were young. I don’t get what they watch or read to be so brainwashed wearing masks outside.
2 people amused me: a young Chinese looking man had 2 masks on (cannot take any chances with this killer virus), another young Chinese looking man was wearing ladies tights under his shorts. Is he worried that he can catch the virus through his legs?!
Extinction Rebellion did a bizarre Handmaids Tale style protest in Downing Street last week. Very strange. I was also told by someone on a protest if you don’t wear a mask you can’t march with the main protest you have to follow them! Unbelievable level of virtue signalling.
Had a couple of young Chinese men approach us at a central London anti-lockdown protest yesterday, they were both lockdown sceptics and wanted to attend the next protest. Gave me so hope that they don’t buy into the fear propaganda!
The only time they are covered is to demonise them. UK media even defend and support the Melbourne police! (but criticise the Belarus police acting similarly).
Trafalgar Square protests are scheduled for Saturday 19th and 26th. I have a feeling the media will extensively cover these (the articles have probably been written already – evil anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, far right / far left ….) we need a really high attendance of everyday people from all backgrounds, races and ages to counter the MSM / Establishment propaganda.
The BBC “covered” the last Trafalgar Square protest, if you call a piece without direct quotations of what was actually said, full of opinions about the far-right/conspiracy theorist nature of the attendees, covering.
I emailed Michael Wendling, of the BBC Disinformation unit, and his answer was that they are under no obligation to give a platform to erroneous opinions and some views do not merit airing and debate, and proceeded to make an indirect analogy with giving a platform to a mass murderer. He fully believes it’s his job to make sure the public believe the “right” things as defined by himself and the BBC. That unit should be disbanded, it’s a disgrace it even exists.
The BBC and mass media clearly see themselves as the thought police. I guess they have the George Orwell statue at Broadcasting House to remind them of the great work they are carrying out to achieve a 1984 dystopian style society.
Sort of. The Thought Police I think knew they were evil (certainly the Inner Party knew they were evil). The BBC really do think they know better. I suppose that kind of arrogance borders on evil.
I think it depends on how tall you are, whether you are standing or sitting and possibly whether you have washed your legs for twenty seconds. Different rules apply if you have done all the above but are in a house or garden, except when working.
What about the turkeys? Seriously, what impact does the “rule of six” have on turkey producers, since a turkey is generally going to feed more than six (unless it is family of BoJo’s, perhaps). Should producers cut production now? Should people be cancelling / not ordering turkeys, in anticipation of cancelled Christmas? Are we going to end up with pyres of turkeys being incinerated, like what Ferguson caused to the cattle during foot & mouth? Will people be questioned for buying a turkey (planning an illegal party there, eh)?
Exactly, they don’t think about all the knock-on effects of all these hastily and arbitrarily made rules. Of course, it’s not just about turkeys, just another example of boneheaded leadership.
Just got back from business meeting about an upcoming contract.
What fun.
Since my last visit a month ago they’ve introduced temperature taking at door and masks for all visitors, but strangely not for staff and some other stuff added.
Said I had an exemption (which I do) which kicked off a rumpus especially when I explained about exemptions (they were ignorant of them), who can question me (they were ignorant of this), what I have to tell them (they were ignorant of this as well), the legislation and fines (they were ignorant of them as well) and so on.
They aid they need to protect themselves from the 2nd wave and spike that is happening. I went through PCR tests and it’s medical uses and meanings, the number of cycles, death certificates and so on and then asked how did they justify their measures as mitigations as there is no science available that proves they work blah blah blah.
Also told them that as I’m half deaf then they had better be prepared to shout at me if they were wearing a mask so I can hear them properly.
Told them that if they wanted to leave then no problem, I’ll leave and that is that.
Suddenly it’s kicked upstairs and they all troop off, message becomes back meeting is going ahead and they were all sweetness and light – I think they actually looked at some of the websites I told them to see if I was lying or not.
After the meeting chatted to a couple of the people and found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the TV news and so on.
Had good chat and as I reeled off facts, numbers etc then they loosened up and did not turn into out and out sceptics but were definitely reassured that the virus is not killing half the population and they were not going to drop dead by me not wearing a mask.
then went to a smaller company – no bollocks, no bullshit just in, chat and out.
Seems like the bigger the company, the more management then the more bullshit.
“chatted to a couple of the people and found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the TV news and so on.”
I think that this is a crucial insight. In general, the majority of people (a) Don’t have the time or impulse and (b) Don’t have the skills for independent research.
That is why the capture of media for propaganda is so powerful.
I agree, which is why this is encouraging: Headline Britons told to become a nation of narks First line: Ministers today urged people to snitch on their neighbours
It continues to astonish, the way people who (think they) have a reason to apply the rules don’t bother to look them up. Worse than that, they make them up! There’s half a dozen key issues in your story that they didn’t have a clue about, yet you (and we) have.
“After the meeting chatted to a couple of the people and found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the tv news and so on”
Or as a friend of my son’s said to him “ The problem with this whole virus thing is that we are all intellectually lazy.” (Sceptics apart that is). “We can’t be bothered to ask the right questions”
Even a simple question seems beyond most people such as, “Why aren’t supermarket workers in masks when shoppers have to wear them?”
Our small company put sanitisers around, everything else is as before. And we worked all the time through the lockdown and nobody got ill. It might be the reason everyone is a sceptic.
” found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the TV news and so on.”
Indeed – this is what I don’t get. I get political apathy generally, but not when your country has been turned upside down indefinitely. Bizarre.
“Seems like the bigger the company, the more management then the more bullshit.”
Indeed. I’m staying somewhere other than home at present, in an area with lots of ethnic minorities and small corner shops. I don’t think a single shop here has a sign in the window about covid. They just want the business.
I thought it was when you go to the Doctors for a repeat prescriptions and the Doctor says “You’re due a Prostate examination, I can do it now for you!”
I don’t believe the polls though concede the majority are still broadly accepting of the narrative. HOWEVER, the people have been subjected to a deliberate, relentless, unprecedented, mendacious onslaught of propaganda from the government aided and abetted by the media, and the opposition have not opposed or scrutinised in any meaningful way, and neither has parliament. They were elected to make rational choices on our behalf, not to scare people into going along with arbitrary bullshit.
I try to “respectfully persuade” those of my fellow citizens who I feel are the victims of deceit. Those who are clearly pursuing agendas of their own and using this crisis for nefarious purposes, especially the government and the media, are not so much to be sneered at as condemned for possibly criminal acts.
“Government in the UK comes out of Parliament, and Parliament is formed from people we elect using a pretty decent democratic system.“
You are on doubly shaky ground here. First, what something “comes out of” doesn’t determine its worth. Second, the most you could plausibly say about the UK democratic system is perhaps that it is “pretty decent” compared to others, and that would be a mere matter of personal opinion.
When we are in the midst of what might well prove to be the worst peacetime disaster caused by government in recorded history is hardly the time to start trying to pontificate about silly theoretical democracy fantasies. Government is a thing in itself, not some kind of mystical representation of the will of the people, and not only is it pretty much unanswerable that a government can do harm, it’s arguable at the moment that we are seeing that government can do more harm than almost any other kind of actor in existence, given the consequences of the disastrous panic policies adopted this year by most governments around the world.
Indeed. Even if you leave aside the argument that the government has deliberately created, manipulated and perpetuated the “will of the people”, your defence of them amounts to “they are only following orders”.
For me the key requirement of a democratic system is not so much that we elect people to govern, it’s that we can get rid of them (in due course) if they do a bad job. Unfortunately we won’t get the chance for another four years, if then, and Starmer’s lot are no better.
Some people aren’t intelligent enough to be be persuadable – especially those in Westminster and the 77th Brigade.
Jared
4 years ago
Just sent this email to my MP in Redditch
Dear Rachel
I am emailing you as a Redditch born and bred citizen regarding a very spiteful and unpleasant experience my wife had in our local supermarket. We had run out of the basics at home (milk, bread etc.) with the kids being back at school and lunches being made. Upon arriving at the supermarket, my wife and 16 year old son went in to grab some essentials. My wife does not wear a face covering of any sort due to skin reactions on the face which then lead to chronic body dysmorphia. While in the bread section, what I can only describe as, a very nasty and insidious elderly lady approached my wife and confronted her. My oldest son pointed out to this ghastly woman that the ‘scraggy bit of material’ covering her mouth, now centimetres from my wife’s face, was achieving nothing as she completely disregarded polite distancing from others. This woman went on to accuse my wife of being a ‘law flouter’ and followed her around the remainder of the shop. It was only when my son had had enough and challenged her, (he admits) firmly and with consequence if she persisted, that she ceased following them.
My anxiety about this mask nonsense and encouraging social ‘shaming and snitching’ is that neighbours are going to create rifts that will last a generation. My wife is a quiet lady and had I been there, this situation would have deteriorated very fast; I will NOT tolerate anyone, for any reason, bullying my wife!
I hope you speak out against both the policy and the attitudes that are leading to this dangerous and divisive future in our town; if you want to wear a mask, wear one but you do not have the right to challenge or insist others do the same.
I doubt if your MP will listen, but well done for taking action. The treatment of your wife was disgusting.
Send a copy of the letter to your local paper.
Well done Jared and well done to your son.I would also have a word with the supermarket telling them there is a nutcase trouble maker on the loose in their store and to make sure if they are not already to keep informing people over the tanoy about hidden disabilities .
What happened to your wife is appalling. Shame on that woman, I was bullied by one on the underground and I shouted at her to mind her own business which caused her to back off. Had you wife been built like a rugby player or a member of the BAME community I bet that Karen would have never dared approach her for fear of being beaten up or accused of racism.
Anyone else expecting a Clown Show christmas special? They might even have a fairy-lit tree in the background and tinsel on the podiums for extra irony.
How many coronavirus tests need to be administered, on average, in order to get one positive result?
The government tell us that they have testing capacity of three hundred thousand. The government also tells us that there are roughly three thousand positive tests. According to my arithmetic, that means they are having to test one hundred people to find one positive result.
Given the fact that the test produces false positives, one would have thought this would have given the clever people in charge some cause to re-think their response to this virus. Yet, they apparently think the results are cause for even more fear-mongering and panic and restrictions.
If this is not a case of collective madness, it is a criminal campaign against the population.
I assume this is what the private testing companies are doing. As cases fall they dial up the cycles. I expect they have convinced themselves this is morally right to ‘reduce false negatives’ – the fact that this is in their financial benefit will be wholly coincidental.
That’s exactly right. A lab using a maximum of 25 cycles will get far fewer positives than a lab using up to 45 cycles. A molecular biologist I was on a call with the other night has been trying to find out how many cycles our PCR tests in Ontario are subject to and she can’t get a straight answer. She heard 45 and, if true, it means we are getting a lot of false positive “cases” and we’ll be in this mess for a good long time. Nobody here seems to care that nobody is dying of Covid — in fact, a columnist in one of our national newspapers wrote last week that we shouldn’t get lulled into a false sense of security just because the numbers of deaths are so low! At least there was a lot of scepticism in the comments section, but it’s still rare here to find much scepticism.
Strange Days
4 years ago
I have just seen this, it’s fine to meet up outdoors if you shoot something!
I don’t buy those stats. It runs contrary to what I see out and about. I think it’s more even than that.
Basics
4 years ago
The victoria police are now head-stamping. Here’s the video. So far removed from right and decent that these actiins must be causing people to realise nazi facists are among us, not just in jack boots on the streets but in the briefing rooms and management structures.
The test is predicated on finding the RNA signature that is believed to be unique to SARS-CoV-2, the strain of coronavirus believed to cause Covid-19. This RNA signature is isolated then mixed with enzymes to convert to a complementary strand of DNA (reverse transcriptase). Using heat and enzymes, the synthethised DNA goes through a process of amplification, creating an exponential accumulation of detectable genetic content.
It tests for a few genes that are unique to SARS-COV-2 (the virus that causes Covid-19). You may get a false positive but not because of other coronaviruses.
Antibody tests on the other hand may give false positives because of other coronaviruses.
Basics
4 years ago
Montreal – huge demonstration against masks has happened. See the numbers
Quite right. If they did a daily report on all the other horrible things that are much more likely to carry you off we would all end up locked up in our own homes and potentially banned from social contact and maybe even unable to visit our family at Christmas……oh no wait a sec….
Note the way tgey are being delievered to an unknowing public. Remember the days of the rolling news singling out deaths and reporting Bob Johnson, 52, bus driver survived by 3 children and a moggy.. it is a death toll that is all. Add in the fudge of numbers it is control.
The numbers are information yes. We need them reporting and accessible. We don’t need the propaganda associated with them.
A good idea would be to communicate the data in a meanginful way to the public. Ivor Cummins could do the job.
Re: the “incompetence” line I keep encountering amongst the spectical set:
[As far an “agenda” is concerned] I think destabilization is the goal. Harsher restrictions will lead to escalating troubles in the streets, which will lead to more incentives to keep existing emergency powers in place for longer as safety concerns lead to fewer reasons for the submissive majority to organize against tyranny-creep. Classic problem-reaction-solution strategy, eh? Everywhere this Hegellian farce is being demoed we see the same thing: the expectation is that a portion of the population will reject the new regime, and that portion is being made an example of (the “loons” as some like to refer to them) at the same time as the ruling-class makes it all but impossible to challenge the madness peacefully, through legal means. The streets will explode soon, perhaps in Africa, perhaps in Peru, perhaps in the Gulf, and when they do the lockdowns will only get tighter, and when the dust clears (it won’t take long) no one in power will lose any elections or face any criminal charges, and when the unrest spreads in middle-class Europe it’ll be much like 1980’s Iran, when the secular bourgeoisie awoke to find themselves completely trapped, victims of their faith in ‘the system’ which promised them an eventual say but which never seemed to have the time to get around to it, resulting in the snuffing-out overnight of a hundred years of hard-fought liberal gains and the disappearance and murder of millions of innocents. Some of our faith I think is comparable to theirs. They lost their country for it. Maybe we should stop coddling ourselves with bromides about ‘incompetence,’ people are more serious perhaps than we give them credit for. Henry Kissinger is not a one-off. We should try respecting our civilization’s adversaries rather than pretending they don’t exist, as though if given the chance we’d sort the matter out ourselves, believing as we seem to that the functioning of nuclear-power democracy doesn’t rely on infernal murderous machinery to operate at scale. It may be comforting to believe we’re being dunked on by overeducated fools without a clue and that there are no conspiratorial agendas at play but regrettably the “loons” have been pretty much spot on for the better part of a century, unless I’m totally schizophrenic myself – operation Northwoods, paperclip, mkultra, bluebook, Dutroux, Tuskegee, UFOs (recently confirmed by the US Dept. of the Navy), the Finders, Boystown, the Franklin affair, Epstein, Saville (implicating vast swathes of Downing-connected elites), WMDs, pesticide and food additive harms, autism, tobacco science, the sugar lobby, the Steele Dossier, the School of the Americas, underage DC prostitution rings (see Barney Frank), the killing of Nancy Schaefer, the killing of Dorothy Killgallen, the ‘Guinea Kids’ experiments in NYCs foster care system (pharma-connected, just nightmarish), and on and on and on – are any of these disputable phenomena? Have they not shaped the Western world in important and enduring ways? Do those responsible for them just vanish into the ether? Or do they and their acolytes carry on through the institutions, and are there things happening right now beneath the surface of our everyday lives equally as sinister and equally as far-reaching? You cannot explain what is happening righ now in terms of mass professional incompetence. That can’t account for the patterns of governance we’re seeing emerge; the uniformity is too lockstep, the policies are too similar, the wilfull blindness is too total. At some point we have to ditch our prejudices and wake up to the fact that we are being managed by forces who are smarter and more cunning than we are. Scapegoating goofballs and dolts like Wancock and Booris may make us feel like we have more control than we do but the events of this year I believe put the lie to that. The coincidences are just too astonishing to be accidental, in my view. Just because certain politicians may not have a clear idea of what it is they’re contributing to doesn’t mean that chaos reigns. Compliance takes planning.
Maybe, but as I keep saying I am not sure it’s top priority right now to agree on or determine the whys and wherefores. Focus on the message that the cure is worse than the disease, whatever the reasons. No other argument needed. Don’t muddy the waters.
Once you get civil unrest, you’ve lost control of the situation. If people are ignoring the laws of lockdown now, you’ve got no chance if you tighten the laws further. You just alienate even more people and increase the civil unrest.
This is why incompetence, arse-covering, just not looking outside the bubble, groupthink are all far more likely than conspiracy. Conspiracy requires everything to go exactly as planned. Nothing goes exactly as planned. The world’s best battle plan is only good until the first shot is fired, then it’s out of your control.
The uniformity to which you refer is indeed a lockstep. In case you didn’t realise, governments copy each other’s policies all the time. And on the face of it, lockdowns appeared to work in China, Italy and so on. It’s only when you drill into the data that the opposite becomes clear.
Look out the window – if you think the situation is under control, or planned, then you’re not looking out the same window I am. If this is conspiracy, prove it. Don’t point to gaps in knowledge and stuff bullshit in there, because it’s still bullshit.
“Findings from a case-control investigation of symptomatic outpatients from 11 U.S. health care facilities found that close contact with persons with known COVID-19 or going to locations that offer on-site eating and drinking options were associated with COVID-19 positivity. Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results.”
But you need to read this also
“No significant differences were observed in the bivariate analysis between case-patients and control-participants in shopping; gatherings with ≤10 persons in a home; going to an office setting; going to a salon; gatherings with >10 persons in a home; going to a gym; using public transportation; going to a bar/coffee shop; or attending church/religious gathering. However, case-patients were more likely to have reported dining at a restaurant”
So no problems more than 6 at home,going to office,using public transport,going to bar/coffee shop, attending church, hair salon
Victoria
4 years ago
Another Has-Been urging the public to snitch on each other
‘I think we should call the authorities, yes, all of us have a responsibility to act’
@Ed_Miliband tells @shehabkhan he would call the police on his neighbours if they were having a party and encourages the public to do so too https://itv.com/news/2020-09-13/rule-of-six-law-comes-into-force-to-tackle-growing-number-of-covid-cases
The couple next door have 3 children, this would mean I should report them each time their grandparents visit. Surely eveyone can see just how vile the suggestion is?
Yesp…just like back in the old days in his favorite countries of USSR and East Germany…Stasi and KGB and their army of informers. A close friend of mine grew up in E Germany and his father was in a ”re education camp” because his neighbors told the authorities he told a joke about the government. Let’s get back to it…#make London East Berlin 1974 again!!
At one point one of these ding bats in parliament will do a Dominic Cummings and screw up. I personally can not wait. As for Pretty Useless Patel. She can do one too.
Stef
4 years ago
I wonder how many people want to go to Sweden in the next months as it appears to be the last beacon of hope and democracy. And finally we are going to a mask-free area without hysteria and terrified population! Definitely many of us will visit the country I guess.
I checked out airbnb in several Swedish cities. Sadly too expensive for myself. anyone for a flat/houseshare? Lived in Stockholm for 3 months some years ago, wanted to go back for a while now.
Russia is okay. It doesn’t get a good press as it’s still the West’s “official enemy”, but get beyond the anti-Russian propaganda and you find a good place to be. Few masks anywhere except on flights.
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Re: Authorities/Experts/Establishment telling collaborators to “snitch” on neighbours (more than 6,etc)
There’s a Black country saying:”Lower than a snake’s bally(belly)
We think and know that there’s something lower than that, don’t we?
Listening to government ministers on the news programmes defending the new line, I could not but wonder if they are now taking their “advice” from some primary school teacher. They made no attempt to offer a justification based on scientific evidence, but rather simply asserted that the rules had to be simple so the public could comply.
I used to like watching Balamory with my daughter. The modern remake staring BJ, Matt etc is most disappointing. Although positively Patrick Vallance does make a fine job of Archie the Inventor.
Shows what they think of the people.
Just as when they doubled the WHO distancing space because we Brits were too stupid to understand the original.
Our bedwetting town council has made a fetish of the six-foot rule, but most people hereabouts don’t give a toss.
Pathetic of the reporter on there to average out the figures so they look much closer to 3,300 rather than reflect they are 800 odd less than Friday’s ( from memory ) key words “on average” tossers.
“Government statistics show some 2,998 infections are now being recorded each day, on average. For comparison, more than 3,300 cases were confirmed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday”
From 300,000 + tests 99% of people don’t have any sign of Covid, even dead bits. Great news. Nope let’s ignore that and focus on the 1% who might have something, although most likely have nothing.
I get so bloody angry. They’re NOT CASES! They are positive test results! Cases are symptomatic individuals who may, but not necessarily, have to be admitted to hospitals!
Infection is even worse as it implies the person who tests positive is actually infectious. A positive at 45 PCR cycles is a false positive and this individual is neither a case nor an infection. Language matters, and the misuse of language is one of the more insidious aspects of this insanity.
CGL
4 years ago
Just a thought – after hearing that the bbc is reporting that the government is encouraging snitching, I wondered if I might put a sign in my window to the effect that our household would not be taking part in this particular scheme. Anyone see any pitfalls with that idea?
Cases in France and Spain falling. Doubling rate lengthened by 25% roughly.
These figures are always so misleading. But they broadly reinforce the message that any rises we are seeing are just the flickering of the embers. Dry tinder exhausted.
Not to comment on this, hotrod, but you were asking the other day about rising hospital admissions in the UK. Have you seen the couple of excellent posts today highlighting that the Welsh hospital admission figures are based on “suspected” covid. In the past two weeks Welsh “admissions” have made up a hugely disproportionate number of UK cases.
How many days it will take for the current infections level to double. It gives you an idea of how steep the increase or lack of has been.
So before the weekend it was all about France and Spain as the warning signs for a second wave. However it seems to have peaked somewhat and the idea of na exponential second wave underway seems absurd and was obviously alarmist.
DavidC
4 years ago
‘Rule of six’. Another NLP term. Funny how it reminds of ‘Seven of nine’ from Star Trek – assimilation into the borg?!
Glad to hear it. Either the moderator sensed trouble, or he/she has a spine and some moral code
bluemoon
4 years ago
Any publicity is good publicity they say!
The Dark Lord
4 years ago
As it relates to the false positive rate … In the US in Sept daily tests have a range of 523k to 1,131K and the positive rate has been steady between 4% and 5.6% … it appears that no matter how many or few tests you do you will get about a 5% positive rate … seems like we’ll never get below 5% …
It all depends on the number of amplification cycles used for the PCR tests. Many countries are going beyond the 35 cycles recommended at the top end, hence there will be more “positive” tests. Even 35 cycles is likely too many and 25-30 should be the upper limit. It is actually a quantitative test, so a positive at 5 cycles indicates much more virus than a positive at 40 cycles (which is likely a false positive).
Read the piece by James Fergusson (no relation…… I suppose he could be like Mycroft, Sherlock’s smarter elder brother) in yesterday’s LS, he explains all about false positives & why everyone keeps reporting the same percentage of positives. https://dailysceptic.org/radical-uncertainty-and-government-innumeracy/
Absolutely brilliant newsletter today RE: the ‘sEcOnD wAvE’. That should be read out to Hancock, BoJo, Whitty the Witless et al. whilst they squirm and try to justify their measures.
In other news I’ve found some petitions on the UK Parliament website related to our cause. They’ll probably do sweet FA as per the pathetic response to the call to reverse the mandatory masks decision, but you never know.
My latest email to my MP, a junior Minister so no chance of a sensible reply….
Dear ………..,
I’m afraid the Government have gone too far with this latest infringement of our liberties. There is no science behind the arbitrary “rule of 6”. Asymptomatic “cases” are increasing due to massively ramped up testing and the false positive results of the flawed PCR test but hospital and ICU admissions and deaths are virtually zero.
I suspect there will be widespread flouting of this new law which again has been introduced with no Parliamentary debate.
I am unable to discern any Government strategy which for the record should be to shelter the elderly and those with co-morbidities and let the rest of us get on with our lives. Population immunity is the only way out of this mess and the Government needs to start trusting the British People rather than treating them like naughty children.
What a shame the DT has not allowed comments under Carl Hennigans piece! It would be brilliant to see what the Chicken George’s make of the irrefutable logic!
Took a break and a lunch time dip to cool off. Seems half the country are self isolating at the beach. Some in groups. I don’t that many are bothered about the dictators broadcasts anymore.
Imagine if they deploy the marshalls on the beaches. That could be quite funny having them counting numbers and asking “are you in the same household?”
I knew that that remark about “live with the virus” meaning “self-isolate forever” was coming. In the first week of the Tour de France coverage the French Prime Minister was interviewed and asked why they were allowing the race to go ahead. His answer, that France has to “live with the virus”, was spoken from behind a mask.
And he spent the day with the Race Director, Christian Prudhomme, who was also wearing a face mask and tested positive the next day for the virus and had to self isolate.
In many ways I found him more encouraging than our PM though. They do at least seem to be clear that they aren’t going to have another lockdown so basically people just have to wait until they get bored of the masks. I had assumed that was the track we were on.
They have also just bent their own rules. It was two positive tests in a week for Covid meant the whole team got sent home. But after a few positives on the rest day after the first week, they announced they were going to “reset the clock”. So those teams won’t be kicked out if they test positive again.
It’s another rest and presumably test day today. I don’t know the results as I avoid the news but I’m hoping they won’t actually ruin the race by sending anyone home.
I don’t think they will. They know how big the race is to the sponsors and to the country. They don’t want to send any team home. They’ll just change the rules again if 2 or more test positive from a team or send them off for another test for confirmation and then that will come back negative.
Who’s your money on Roglic or Pogacar?
I agree with you about the race, but I’m a bit more worried about the situation in France. In several metropolitan areas they’ve made it mandatory to wear a face covering at all times in public, including outdoors. I hope that’s not what we have in store.
Steve Cox
4 years ago
Hello,
I’m not going to comment specifically on the article as I haven’t read it yet. I would just like to record my congratulations to the staff of my local Co-Op here in Wales this morning (who as you know are now also required to wear a face nappy) for defying the socio-communist Welsh Assembly by wearing face Shields not masks.
As you could get a large banana round the side of the shield I don’t know who thought it would stop a Nano metre sized virus but hats off to them. Perhaps we should all see it as an example and stick to the law while finding ways to defy the law.
Staff in Tesco are also wearing shields, unlike the nappied sheeple who shop there. Instant compliance, what a surprise.
It was very quiet in Tesco hell for 4 pm. I only peered in, I do Click and Collect, haven’t been inside a supermarket for months.
Yes John, I’m afraid it has but as the rural community is fairly well spread out, and the incidences of positive tests (no info on false positives of course) is approx. 1 in 5000 the chances of my even meeting someone who has tested positive let alone actually having the virus is statistically remote.
cant see the gov coronavirus update page because of ‘ongoing problems with microsoft azure’ whatever that is. they’d be better off using linux – probably get less false positives too
Dear Deidre,
I haven’t had a test.
I haven’t had any symptoms.
I live in an ‘outbreak’ area, with local restrictions.
I’m going to the pub, socialising, shopping like billy-o, not wearing a mask, shaking hands…
Am I doing something wrong?
I feel so left out.
Will my neighbours snitch on me because I haven’t got it?
Should I get a Pangolin?
“Oh my, can’t get a test” was the mantra on Talkradio earlier – that and the Spector of lockdown part 2.
Had to laugh when some lady was talking about her husband (not funny as he was ill in hospital) and that she too had Covid currently but only knew that as he friend at the hospital did her a favour and swabbed her on the quiet. She then went on to say that if she had not known she would have been spreading it everywhere……surely the fact her husband had the thing and was confirmed meant she should have been at home, so what relevance is the test in her case anyway ?
I had a set of emails with them last week. they were very happy to take constructive criticism of the way the data is presented – part of their public outreach I suppose. The only part they just wouldn’t engage in was my suggestion they should have ‘+ve results’ rather than ‘cases’. Just didn’t even acknowledge I’d said this.
DM website’s top story at the moment is a load of photos of people socialising in groups of more than 6 with a headline blaming the young for daring to live their lives. Thankfully most of the comments are supportive of them.
What a load of hysterical, ill-informed,small minded nonsense.Around 1600 people die each and everyday in the UK and, sorry to break it to you but not all die peacefully in their sleep. Some die of horrendous diseases and cancers but some how the few that are dying of covid now, take precedence over those suffering from delayed and missed treatments. You really need to use a bit of common sense and put things into perspective. You can start by looking at the actual data and educating yourself on what a ‘case’ really is.
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Just thinking about how the plebs make it all up for themselves, has anybody been told yet that Test and Trace details are mandatory from today?
I was told it was mandatory on the day it was announced. I educated them.
The actual rule is that they’re obliged to ask and obliged to refuse entry if the customer declines. There’s no requirement in the customer to provide accurate details. Also, it’s perfectly possible in many places (especially places with QR code set-ups not to decline, but not to do it anyway.
Coming soon to a white middle class neighbourhood like yours. Helmeted goons in blue uniforms with clubs and tasers to help you understand the “rules”.
It’s happening in Australia and will be here sooner than you think if we let it.
I wonder if a new culture will evolve for us built around “all colour” oppression by the Po-leece like it did in 80’s black America spawning the Hip Hop revolution.
I wonder if i could come up with lyrics to my song like NWA did?
Lights start flashin’ behind me But they’re scared of a nigga so they mace me to blind me But that shit don’t work, I just laugh Because it gives ’em a hint, not to step in my path For police, I’m sayin, “Fuck you, punk!” Readin’ my rights and shit, it’s all junk Pullin’ out a silly club, so you stand With a fake-ass badge and a gun in your hand But take off the gun so you can see what’s up And we’ll go at it, punk, and I’ma fuck you up!
Their way of life, hassled by the boys in blue every day could be ours very shortly!
Chicot
4 years ago
Typical misleading bs from the BBC. Under the headline “Antibody treatment to be given to Covid patients”, the excerpt states “Laboratory-made antibodies are to be trialled on 2,000 people with Coronavirus in UK hospitals”. I’ve just checked Worldometer and the number of “Serious, Critical” cases is 79. Given that I very much doubt that there are even 2000 Covid cases in hospital (anyone know the numbers for this?). Still, it’s a good way to keep the hysteria ramped up.
Thanks. No doubt anyone glancing at the excerpt will assume there are thousands which no doubt is the intention.
thedarkhorse
4 years ago
I have just received an “order” from within the family. I must, if we do actually have any Christmas holiday-time to speak of, not talk about cv19, or politics, or any other “extreme view” topic when relatives call….basically will amount to just one person anyway. Said person has said that because they work for government they feel that I am attacking their employer. Well buggar me, they forget that I actually also used to work for the state, in my youth, I now receive a small government pension but it won’t stop me speaking what I think. What is it with folk, they seem to only want a life full of “nice things” to talk about.
It always seem to be my fault. Do these people have some sort of “avoidance” syndrome?
It’s tough when you’re put in a position like this.
But know that it’s not you. There comes a point where trying to avoid conflict tips over into dishonesty if key issues are just ducked. It becomes emotional bullying.
Fortunately, we don’t have anything like this to deal with, but, given that different members of the family have to cope with practical situations that those of us without such constraints can ignore, there is always some negotiation, even given that we are all on the broadly sceptic side.
If they don’t talk about it then it’s not really happening – weird I know, I also have family members who are a bit like this. They are however getting a little less sure that it’s all about controlling the virus and nothing else. For me well it all falls in rather nicely with the Green agenda (that Teresa May signed us up to achieve by 2025), the 25% reduction in the World population so beloved by Gates plus removing Trump. A “happy” coincidence for for some high rolling Global cabal members?
Oh yes indeed, some feel the instinctive need to avoid the awful truth as they know it will hurt them. I have some sympathy.
Others are just lazy and apathetic and find it “boring” to talk about such matters – I struggle to maintain respect for people like that – I don’t care if they want to allow their lives to be ruined, but they are allowing mine to be ruined too.
Said person has said that because they work for government they feel that I am attacking their employer.
But ultimately… you are their employer, surely!
In any case, being so identified with one’s employer, such that you take it personally and your feelings are hurt if someone has criticisms, is an unhealthy situation surely borne of having an “extreme view” of the employer-employee relationship.
Had a nice talk with a customer today about the silly ongoings. He sadly recently lost a friend who was too afraid to seek medical help for ongoing chest pain and died suddenly collapsing in the street.
How much longer are we going to accept that?
The letter to the MP, listing all the wrongs they experience amongst friends and family is just so sad, but powerful.
At the start of this scam, there was a video of a person in China ‘dropping dead in the street’ which, we were told, was evidence of how dangerous this virus is. Because people don’t suddenly collapse in the street and die.
It’s a little bit like people who say they don’t mind taxes going up an extra penny in the pound to help pay the NHS/Education/Social care/Insert your own single issue fanaticism here… Up until the moment when the government obliges and everybody starts whinging about tax increases.
Silke David
4 years ago
I watched a depressing news story about the Querdenken Demonstration in Munich on Saturday 12th September. Police try every little trick to stop people from demonstrating.
Luckily their lawyer seems to have never ending energy, but in the end they stopped the march and “just” had speeches on a large square where on can keep distance.
Funnily enough other demonstrations (BLM/Pride) can go ahead with out much police presence and restrictions imposed.
Querdenken are fighting the police in the courts and Querdenken will have their victory.
“In plain English this means that there are no available pure 2019-nCOVvirus isolates to test against so instead an educated best guess is being used. The question this leads us to is how accurate can a test be for a virus that has not been defined…? If our freedoms are to be abridged under an emergency declaration related to a disease, should it not be a requirement that the disease at least be defined?”
“It is most certain that the high viscosity of hydrogel-based nanosystems can efficiently offer this mucoadhesive property. This update review discusses the possible benefits of using hydrogel polymer-based nanoparticles and hydrogel nanocomposites for drug/vaccine delivery through the intranasal administration.”
Worried about the vaccine? If you’ve had a test, you may already have been administered with it.
Wow, I get vaccinated every week! Also, we’ve been using any swabs we can get, even vaginal brush type ones so don’t know if the NHS is coordinated enough for such subterfuge.
As these are presumably contested cases it is likely that it will take an average of a day to hear each case (by the time prosecution and defence witnesses are called etc)
It would take one court sitting continuously for 42.5 years to hear them all. This in on the basis that the court also sits on Bank Holidays including Christmas Day and Boxing Day (which they don’t )
Our Christmas may be buggered up but so will the Magistrate’s(God bless them)
As the courts currently have a backlog of of five months, the dictator could create 42 new courts and deal with them in a year
This fails to take into account delays caused by adjournments etc
Polls are a tool for influencing public opinion not measuring it
TJN
4 years ago
‘I have had one of my busiest Mondays ever!’
I told you this morning it would be good for custom!
Well done. Sceptic of the Day, at least.
Thing is, the sort of ‘brave person’ you refer to are in my view generally the worst kind of coward. That’s why, eventually, they’ll lose. They are devoid of any form of original thought, merely follow the herd, and can’t do anything outside of the herd. Not the sort of people you want on your side in a struggle, as when the going gets tough they won’t be there.
RyanM
4 years ago
Here’s my “update” from the US. I have been horribly wrong about individual behavior this whole time, and I have been absolutely shocked by the widespread adoption of masks, but I’m still struck by a few things.
First, when I go to some of my morning-routine websites this morning, I don’t really see CV19 featured at all. It seems to be falling out of the news. You’ll see articles that are kind of buried, and the substance of those articles essentially says “nothing much going on.” I think people are losing interest, and as they lose interest, they will lose patience for any restrictions.
One example is my hometown. I live in WA state, and our governor “indefinitely suspended” (i.e. until after the election in November) his “safe start WA” plan, which enables us to “phase up.” My county is stuck in “phase 1.” But honestly, I don’t see that much of anything is still closed. Restaurants are at 25% capacity, and pretty much every business has a “masks required” sign on the door… this weekend, I did a lot of shopping, as I had some projects going at home, and I wore a bandanna around my neck the whole time. Didn’t even bother putting anything on the kids (6 and 8) and nobody said a thing.
I don’t even know what the restrictions of “phase 1” are, but it appears they are largely being ignored.
I would be shocked if any politician – democrat or republican – imposed new lockdowns prior to the election. But I’ve been shocked, before.
The simple fact of the matter is this: CV ain’t no black death. People aren’t dying in the streets. There is no immediately observable justification for mass hysteria. With a highly contested presidential election, and many local elections coming up, people simply aren’t concerned with CV19 right now. And once we lose interest, we lose patience.
That doesn’t mean they can’t attempt to ramp the hysteria back to 11, and I imagine that if Trump wins that is exactly what they will do. But I think it is going to be much, much harder the second go around.
It has to an extent dropped out of the news here in the UK, except when there is a new development, but I am not so sure that is a good sign. My fear is that the nonsense being imposed upon on us, which is considerable and amounts to a continuation of lockdown, has just become normal for people now and they have accepted it. There can’t really be a “new” lockdown here because the “old” one never finished. We are in a constant state of public health emergency and panic, forever. The insidious “new normal” strategy is working.
Hence we need to keep reminding people that it isn’t normal, and telling those businesses and other organisations most affected that they are unlikely to survive if they don’t return to real normality.
I agree that that would be a bad thing. I worry about it with masks, but I also think that as soon as the restrictions are lifted, masks will all but disappear. The encouraging aspect of what I have observed here is that rather than considering it a new normal, a lot of people seem to be just ignoring it.
I may be way too optimistic about it, though. This weekend, as I walked through various stores with my bandanna pulled down below my chin, I didn’t really see anyone else not wearing a mask. I saw several with them under the nose or even under the mouth. People have largely accepted it and they just wear the masks. What really stuck out at me, though, was the fact that nobody said a word to me about not wearing mine. As I said, I think if the legal mandate is lifted, the immediate effect will be, in the very least, a 50% reduction in mask usage, and they will probably disappear altogether within a matter of weeks.
I think masks would certainly reduce enormously if they were not mandatory, but I can’t see any motivation for our govt to remove that, and lots of reasons why they wouldn’t (how would they explain it was no longer needed?).
In my state, the mask requirement is an executive order justified only by our governor’s declared “state of emergency.” At some point, that emergency declaration expires and all of the mandates along with it. But beyond that, I think it is a simple matter of enforcement. As I mentioned, I went out shopping this weekend, and kept the bandanna around my neck. As more people do that, enforcement becomes impossible. I think what happens is that people begin to simply ignore the governor’s edicts and they lose all of their power.
My fear is that the nonsense being imposed upon on us, which is considerable and amounts to a continuation of lockdown, has just become normal for people now and they have accepted it.
This has also worried me. But maybe for the average member of the public – genuinely fearful and convinced by the media propaganda – seeing less and less Covid news reported would start to sow the seeds of doubt and scepticism.
I suspect a lot of people are now less than convinced by the constant focus on “rising cases” combined with a distinct lack of footage of packed hospitals and mass graves, month after month.
I don’t think many are totally convinced, just wandering into the new normal. Right now we need more people with fire in their bellies, who like a drink and a laugh and a shag and a boogie with mates. We’ve been drifting away from that kind of life for a while now, which has partly enabled what has happened, IMO
One thing – a brief six months has blown out of the water the myth of UK exceptionalism.
All the television programmes about the Battle of Britain etc. stacked end to end won’t counteract the fact that the UK is just as susceptible to the totalitarian impulse and susceptibilty of the population as any country.
Sadly seems to be true, though I still think we’d done OK up to now, overall. Human weakness is everywhere, and societies that function well have always seemed to me miraculous rather than the norm to be expected
Years ago you could argue it was true but we have been under the heel of the USA and Europe for so long now our exceptionalism has been driven out of our society
Basics
4 years ago
Notes from a university city.
On the street you are the odd one out wearing a mask in in the areas of the city away from campus. 95% no masks, graffiti -some really creative on point about the fraud. Several elderly people in masks dotted about looking dejected and not making eye contact. Really sorrowful to see. Thought about interjecting but considered it wiser to not cause alarm.
On the street near to the university the mask to no mask ration is maybe 60% no mask.
Wearing mask as elbow pad is cool.
Also good form is to pick up ‘lost’ mask and dress near by railing to advertise to owner, same drill as winter mitten lossages.
In other news Patrick UK Column Henningsen has been twit blocked by DELVING devi for daring to start a discussion. This cannot be allowed in Freshers week -a professor being shown up in discussion. Block, block, block.
In the forum – Exeter/Devon/Cornwall meet up. I’m in. Anyone else? I mention it here as the forum still doesn’t seem to be used as much as it should be for further ranting/group start ups.
Yes – am I seeing things? – a pro-Sweden piece in the Evening Standard, or as I call it the house journal of the sneering metropolitan elite. They don’t get much more MSM than the Standard. Maybe it’s one of their occasional token articles going against their usual line – they did the same with Brexit.
Yeah, I’m not sure what there is to complain about with that article. Seems pretty spot-on to me. To quote:
But the politically explosive possibility, which the Swedish health authorities certainly believe to be true, is that they are reaching a degree of so-called “herd immunity”; in other words that enough people have had the virus and are now immune that it is hard for the virus to spread.
If this is true, the political ramifications are hard to overestimate.
It is going to destroy governments around the world. The Johnson might actually escape unscathed if he is ruthless enough to chuck Cummings under the bus…
Definitely, it seems very even-handed, it mentions the huge amount of media criticism Sweden received earlier in the year but does so (to my eye) in an objective, unbiased way, and acknowledges the huge implications if Sweden’s strategy turns out to be successful.
The suggestion it was some sort of outrageous punt to not follow the advice of the Chinese communist party, their WHO stooges and the jottings of a man, Ferguson, who has never been right about anything is the most wryly amusing aspect of this article. The worm is very much on the turn.
I love the euphemism. “Largely been wiped out”. There is only one way to wipe out a virus and only one way to “largely” wipe it out. These are eradication and herd immunity respectively. The strategies are polar opposites. It seems China has a “zero covid” policy very similar to Devi Sridhar’s definition of the term (it means herd immunity).
I think that is likely the case. The cynic in me wants to think that the extreme measures in Wuhan were widely publicized in an attempt to get the rest of the world to lock down, but it is likely that the rest of the country took a much more Sweden-like approach and simply kept it all under wraps.
I imagine it is a combination of both. A lot of reason to believe that they were lying early on. But interestingly, the predictions made by Michael Levitt were based, in large part, on China’s numbers, and those have actually ended up being accurate, so it’s hard to say.
If the rest of us had stopped testing back in June, it is likely that the rest of this would have passed unnoticed. It is very possible that this is what China did.
Nice to see the positive articles about your homeland starting to trickle out in the MSM. We are in the process of selling our house at the moment but, if it all goes through, I think we will treat ourselves to a long weekend in Sweden. Maybe we won’t even have to wear the face nappies on the plane to get their…
The vaccine is the getaway to massive state control.Immunity passports etc.The Chinese already have this
John Ballard
4 years ago
Big story on the mail site about a shop that says no masks, all the most rated comments are right behind the owner
T. Prince
4 years ago
This from the DT update!!!
“The race towards producing viable vaccines against Covid-19 continues, but, as Miranda Levy discovers, the noise and resistance from “anti-vax” conspiracy theorists is growing stronger in parallel. Miranda finds out why and what can be done to combat it.”
Every couple of days they run a pro-vaccine type article. I think they get cash they get from the Gates Foundation which requires they do this. The readers generally don’t take kindly to it, judging by the comments.
CGL
4 years ago
Latest email to mp – slightly losing the plot now (nicked the fat controller thing from someone – sorry!)
“If this doesn’t stop soon you will be presiding over anarchy.
Covid Marshals, the rule of 6 and now a snitching charter – have the fat controller and his snivelling sidekick found a book entitled “The Idiots guide to Nazi’s”?
I honestly can’t even believe I am typing this email. They are insane.”
Latest hospital stats from here in Sweden will be released tomorrow so that will be interesting. But in the last random testing they did there were very few positive results!
I am watching BBC news and I cannot believe what I am seeing.
Overbearing police in a park telling people old enough to be their grandparents to choose a number of friends they are allowed to see.
I DESPAIR!!!!!@!
If you live near his shop please patronise it – frequently! Also, maybe a solicitor can please check whether he is entitled to stipulate whatever conditions of entry he pleases?
More broadly, I sense the DM is at an editorial crossroads. The comments in the articles are overwhelmingly sceptical and they are running Peter Hitchens pieces with cheerful regularity.
Time for them to ‘turn’ and campaign all-out against The Madness!!
Todays excellent UK Column looks at the lawfulness or otherwise of the Uk lockdown measures, the coup and much more.
There is an absolutely hilarious picture of Devi the global health advisor to Scotland – UK and the world. If that is her smile ever likely we are all to wear masks! Tears rolling down my face – brilliant!
Putting PR reasons aside, the concept of a second wave seems to come from the 1918 Spanish ‘flu pandemic. From what I’ve read (I’m willing to be corrected), there was a genuine “second” wave of infections and deaths. There is a school of thought that says that this was in fact either an entirely different infection – possibly even bacterial rather than viral – or a mutated strain brought home by the troops in the trenches. This seems to be an uncontroversial view, but not decided.
Either way, this is one epidemic in the last century, out of many. The others have not had a second wave, but instead the viruses have become endemic and have continued to pick off a few in the years that followed, as is the way of viruses.
So, if there is a second wave of SARS-CoV-2, you would have to ask yourself “what is different this time?” The answer must surely be lockdown. It’s only lockdown that is different from our approaches to other epidemics, as it had never been tried before.
So, if there is in fact (as opposed to in media fiction) a second wave, then lockdown must be to blame.
Indeed, a second wave, if lockdown was even partially effective, is just the first wave delayed. However you play it, lockdowns (by which I mean ones that are at least partially effective) only really make sense in the following cases:
1) Very short term to flatten the curve in time to prepare healthcare
2) In the case of a very very deadly virus that might kill huge numbers, for a longer time IF you thought it was possible to cook up some better treatments or a vaccine quickly enough for the lockdown not to do more harm than good
I think in practice (2) is unlikely to be a viable option, and certainly wasn’t warranted for covid. (1) was how our lockdown was sold to us, but it has changed into permanent lockdown for zero covid. (1) was done in Sweden, on virtually voluntary basis, and worked.
The public mutation of the lockdown strategy from flattening the curve to seemingly eliminating the virus is, among very many lunatic outcomes over the last few months, one of the most sinister and insane, so much so that it’s original intention is now never mentioned in public.
Agreed. One of the things I said very early on against both masks and lockdowns was that the best-case-scenario is that they don’t work at all. The worst case scenario is that they do work, and that all we’re doing is delaying the inevitable at an extremely high cost. We’ve seen, though, that it will pretty much arrive everywhere, eventually, and you’re going to see a curve… maybe that curve is lower for places thus-far spared, due to mutation, but it will happen. So I think the evidence supports the idea that masks and lockdowns, thankfully, don’t work.
Suneptra Gupta took the view that the very high mortality of the Spanish Flu second wave was largely caused by a period of prior mass self-isolation by a susceptible population. Kind of like today’s Australia / NZ approach…
My view is that Sars-CoV-2 is effectively over in Western Europe, and that collective immunity plus a virus mutating to a lower level of virulence, mean it cannot resurge in a clinically symptomatic manner (but that won’t stop the PCR positives..). But many old folk who have perhaps overdone the self-isolation, will simply be more vulnerable to the inevitable seasonal flu this winter due to a suppressed or untuned immune system. https://youtu.be/DKh6kJ-RSMI?t=1534
Waves do not have to be big. Just a little bit more than a ripple. We are not talking pacific storms here. People have to think about the worst.
Like I hate it when people say” it’s freezing out” just as the temperature dropped from 25C to 18C in September. 18C is not freezing!
Ian
4 years ago
I see the UK government is encouraging people to call the police if they spot their neighbours having 1 too many friends visit, even if they’re in the garden! Priti Patel.. “This disease is deadly and that is why it is right that the police enforce where people break the rules.”
If this disease is so bloody deadly, shouldn’t everyone here in Minsk be dead by now?? No masks, what little social distancing is long since over. Even international chains like McDonalds, Burger King etc. have reopened the tables they had blocked off. Every day packed public transport with only about 5% of people wearing a mask (through their own choice), and since the election on 9th August HUGE mass gatherings (100k+ people every weekend in Minsk).
No doubt people will say that the data from Belarus can’t be trusted. But forget the data, if the virus was so deadly everyone here would know someone who’s either died or been very unwell, this would then create it’s own fear in the population, who would quite rightly, take it upon themselves to wear masks, stay home where possible etc. etc.
Sadly Ovis, in this regard, no they don’t. But to be fair, I don’t think extremely basic freedoms are something anyone appreciates until they’re taken away. As Belarus has not had any sort of lockdown whatsoever, it’s not something they appreciate. For all Lukashenko’s failings (and he has many), on this one issue he has got it bang on. But that’s not something most Belarusians will give him credit for.
You’d think it was the bubonic plague from the way the politicians/media talk, not a virus with a mortality rate of under 1%. I do not want to live in the GDR thank you Priti.
If I lived within 50 miles of Chichester I’d make a point of visiting that place as often as possible, just as I’d visit kh’s if I were within the same of Saffron Walden. These businesses that make a stand are likely to face oppression, and need our support.
The Open for Business section should highlight businesses that self report as taking such a stand. I would definitely change my spending patterns to support any such business in my area.
Petrol stations used to refuse entry to people in bike helments for obvious reasons. Your acceptance of hidden identities could be seen as brave in light of this fact.
The most important thing you wrote, for the long run (imo) was: “I have had one of my busiest Mondays ever!”
As long as you can avoid direct repression, if your business thrives you can surely ride out the storm. After all, someone in your position invests everything in a business. That’s why the potential destruction of small businesses (same with Offlands) is among the worst crimes of this “Conservative” government. Conservatives, of all parties, should be absolutely behind the kind of people who have the gumption and energy to stand on their own feet in the way that is necessary to build and sustain a small to medium sized business.
And we here should all directly support any kind of public stand where we can “vote with our feet” and support dissenting voices.
whist they never say that the increase in positive tests is due to increased testing , dont be surprised if they tell us the reduction is down to fewer tests being carried out
The Wail can’t bring itself to say that . Instead it says number of daily infections has doubled in a fortnight-no mention of the number of tests increasing. I suppose we were never going to get “Postive tests only double despite 10 (or whatever) fold increase in tests”
Apparently the ban on household visits in the west of Scotland is to be extended by another week. This announcement comes on the same day that the acting Chief Medical Officer of Scotland, Dr. Gregor Smith, stated ‘I don’t believe we are in a second wave. The virus has never gone away. It is a rise in cases from a low baseline.’
Needless to say it is debatable whether these ‘cases’ are anything other than positive test results, but if we’re not in a second wave why are these ludicrous rules still in place?
No, don’t tell me. Is it because the Government have destroyed the economy and caused the deaths of thousands of people with their disastrous ‘lockdown’ and are hoping we won’t notice if they keep everyone scared of the ‘killer virus’?
Basics
4 years ago
A thought occured about the reset – it’s not great so I’ll call it reset. Not certain if this is a LS matter or not.
What is their problem with the status quo? They are insanely rich and getting richer by the hour. What is the sense in resetting when they are winning? I don’t buy the climate reasoning one bit – and yes I have a lot of time for reuse frugality and liking lichen.
Who knows what their reasoning is or their motivation.Just because we don’t know doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Power,’money greed normally cover most evil intent;maybe it’s to hold onto their positions and wealth.
America is falling from its position as world Hegemon.The whole western world is mired in debt.A wave of populist movements are starting to grow.All speculation but it most definitely is not about a virus.
It’s the law of unlimited wants. The richer you get the more you sorround yourself with rich people. There are some exceptions, but for most they then want to prove themselves to this new group. It’s the only thing they’ve ever known. So they adopt the dreams and desires of the in group.
So more money is needed, more ‘success’. You also seek to be part of their causes to demonstrate your aligence to the group. Foundation work, trips to the big conferences. You need their respect.
It eventually becoem less about money, though it remains an important yard stick. Instead, it is about grand ideas and you shaping the world.
Interesting stuff. Of course the reset is planned, I din’t think its controversial to say that. It is a lengthy business creating the plan, not emergency planning. Bad luck the collapse took place just before the virus, neither in the control of men. Hmm.
There was a quote from Rumsfeld. I am sure they did all the forward planning. Banks employ futurologists to help them predict the future.
Whose “new realities” will Rumsfeld talk about? The realities of a White House in which a key aide told a reporter that this Administration has scorn for the “reality-based community”? (“We’re an empire,” the aide told the reporter, “and when we act, we create our own reality.”)
The problem is that central bank policy is rendering our money worthless. This is their chance to buy up assets of real value before the currency collapses.
By making us all focus on masks, they help ensure that we turn a blind eye to – for example – the £200bn the BoE have printed this year.
The climate thing is BS, agree. Watch the news tonight trying to blame ‘all’ the fires on the west coast of the US on climate change – notice they steadfastly refuse to go near Yosemite, which has survived large numbers of fires in the last decade due to efficient fire management practices and long range planning – so if you hear the phrase “climate change refugees” tell them to go to Yosemite, climate change doesn’t work there.
On the reset thing: there is an issue of declining world resources. Technically peak oil production has passed, (see: Chris Martensen, The Crash Course, website & newsletter peakprosperity) so I believe that is a factor.
Ignoring supposes they give a beep about what boris says in the firat place. I see no evidence that young people tune themselves in to boris. Why would they? Boris leads us towards death. It is natural for young to revel in life. Oil and water. Good for them.
I don’t think they can afford that.With no furlough and help for those stopped from working there will be too much opposition
Fed Up
4 years ago
Latest Regs : The Health Protection (coronavirus, restrictions) (no.2) (England) (Amendment) (No.4) Regulations 2020.
points to note:
laid before Parliament at 10.30 am 14th September, came into force 12.01 am 14th September.
restrictions on participation in gatherings of 6+ people (unless household or linked household)
Reg 5(3)(i) does not apply to gatherings for the purpose of protest and the event has been organised by a business, charitable, benevolent or philanthropic institution, a public body, or a political body and the event organiser has carried our risk assessment and taken all reasonable measures to limit risk of transmission.
There is a very good thread on Twitter (Francis Hoar linked to it; see end of this post for link) with whole load of info regarding these regs, including illogicalities and ways round certain rules. Francis reckons the regulations would not hold up in court, for a number of reasons, one being that no impact assessment has been done. https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1305276954816503808
Downloaded and quick read, total gibberish to me. Unless you have the act to which the amendment applies and can be bothered to go through every clause it tells me absolutely nothing. Can’t be bothered.
They rely on people not reading the legislation and then produce guidance off the back of it, that the media report as law. If you do read the legislation you quickly realise how unenforceable everything is.
Fabulous debate in the commons, the mother of parliaments at it’s best. MP’s from every party fully debating the intricacies of this finally balanced question. The finest minds, forensically examining the why’s and wherefores.
Makes you proud to be British!
Telegraph is very nearly there. The daily mail site could bring on a migraine so I tend to avoid it but they seem to be moving in the right direction. A bit left field but I would have a sneaky punt on Channel 4 news surprising everyone and admitting they got it all wrong.
Maybe they’ll use the ’emerging facts’ is to discredit Johnson and destabilise the government to undermine Brexit? After all, previously they were only doing what the Government told them to in order to ‘keep us safe’ against ‘conspiracy theories’….?
Got a response from the local MP. Not what I was hoping for but here it is. At least he bothered to read my email and didn’t just send a stock reply which is what happened to my mate with his.
Thank you for your email and for taking the time to get in touch and share your concerns with me. I have checked our records and my office did not receive your letter of 7 August. I can only apologise and set out my position on the issues that you raise here.
I know that a number of schools in Barnsley have taken the decision to introduce compulsory face covering for pupils in communal areas where social distancing is difficult to maintain. If you are concerned about this new rule, I would strongly recommend that you discuss the policy on face coverings with Horizon. Under the current guidance, the wearing of face coverings in communal areas is at the discretion of individual schools or academy trusts.
Over the past couple of weeks we have seen the rate of infection increase across the country, with the rate roughly doubling here in South Yorkshire. A rapid increase in the rate of infection risks creating a second wave later this year which could put significant numbers of people at risk of serious illness, hospitalisation and death. It is vitally important, therefore, that everyone follows the latest guidance from Public Health England: wearing face coverings in shops and on public transport; keeping at least two metres apart from those not in their household or support bubble; only socialising in groups of six or fewer; and washing hands on a regular basis. We have all got a responsibility to follow the guidance and play our part in containing the spread of this disease – which has already claimed the lives of over 40,000 people across the country. Although, as you rightly point out, the figures on hospitalisations and deaths are currently much lower than they were at the peak of the pandemic, there is a real risk that a rapid increase in infection rate will in turn lead to more deaths over the coming months, especially as we approach winter.
On testing, I’m afraid that I do not agree that the increase in positive results is solely due to increased community testing, as confirmed by the Chief Medical Officer. The current increase in infection rate is very concerning, and it is right that measures are put in place to reduce transmission and help save lives.
In terms of my vote in Parliament, I will very carefully consider the specifics on any proposals that are brought forward and vote in the best interests of my constituents – as I always have throughout my time in Parliament.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to get in touch. If you would like to discuss this in further detail, please do not hesitate to get back in touch.
Rate of infection increase across the country. Wrong.
Your MP has fallen for the covid switch, infections are not cases are not positive tests.
I would be asking after the responsibilty the MP says we all have. Have them define that respinsibility and state where it comes from. Clearly that same responsibilty must be fairly distributed across society and other forms of ill health. The MPs focus is not adressing their stated responsibility outside the fantasy realm of covid.
So glad! There are some truly wicked,nhorrid people about and totalitarianism will always get them crawling out of their holes, but there is decency out there too.
More power to your elbow.
Maybe we should start designing a LS medal for our most outstanding resisters!!
Kevin
4 years ago
Apologies if it’s been posted before, but here is an Edinburgh Professor, who speaks passionately but undemonstratively, about his views on the wrongs currently being perpetrated. Why don’t more academics and medical professionals hold or voice these views?
Perhaps many do, but just feel unable to speak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuP7xOOXCA&ab_channel=AnnaBrees
He is great isn’t he Richard Ennos. Doing what he thinks is right. Why can’t others do the same? I know five at the university with tutoring/lecturing duties. 4 are unpleasant woke arrogants, one of whom is so closed of mind their own family struggle to relate to them. One of the Edinburgh staff I know is a brillant rounded person, not in a specialism that matters to SARS CoV.
hotrod
4 years ago
This is a fun thread….
If you scroll down you can see what is happening in schools.
I think they all speak perfect English. And you can get there by sailing boat. I can recommend a 72ft ketch in Newcastle whose charity owners can no longer afford to keep it.
I recently watched some youtube travelogue videos of a woman on a week’s holiday in Sochi with a girl-friend. She usually goes with her husband/partner. She never shuts up. Anyway, Sochi has been crowded with holidaymaking Russians and hardly a mask in sight.
Link provided on request. I listen in Russian, but you might be able to get subtitles in English.
I could probably doggie paddle up the Med and through the Bosphorus up to the Black Sea and on to Sochi. Wonder if they take refugees? Might have to dodge the Royal Navy though, I have heard they are operating in the area.
Notwithstanding the concerns expressed in today’s discussion on hospital Covid 19 data, the Governments web-site indicates no change in the total number of UK Covid 19 cases in hospital, it was at 884 Sat, Sun and today Monday. To my mind this indicates that no change = no second wave, so far so good.
I think there has been a hold up in Scotland’s figures As they aim to remove those who no longer have covid
T. Prince
4 years ago
Bit long from Tom Woods but…
“Well, the skeptics are finding their voices at last.
In Ireland, Dr. Martin Feeley — clinical director of the Midland Fields Hospital Group and a senior executive of the Health Service Executive, Ireland’s government-funded health care system — just made his dissenting views known to the Irish Times.
He said the lockdowns that we were told were essential can no longer be justified in light of what we now know about COVID-19.
The lockdowns, he added, disproportionately harm the youth — and “you can’t postpone youth.”
“The financial cost,” he said, “can be seen in any walk or drive through cities, towns and villages. Mortgage repayments and other financial setbacks are virtually all suffered by the young worker or business person and not by the over-65, who are guaranteed their pension, as indeed are the salaries of the individuals who decide to inflict these draconian measures….”
Dr. Feeley condemned the obsession with “cases,” a contextless number that only panics people, when we should instead be focusing on hospital strain:
“The number of deaths among recent cases is less than one in a thousand. This data reflects a disease much less severe than the average annual flu. The media reaction to these cases, ie, with the gravity appropriate to reporting deaths from a major catastrophe, borders on hysteria. Opening a newscast with the number of people testing positive for a condition less dangerous than the flu, which many don’t even know they have, is scaremongering.”
The Irish Times also reports on Dr. Alan Farrell, who has made his unhappiness with the government’s extreme measures known to the Minister for Health.
He says:
“From a medical perspective I am not seeing an impact from COVID on the ground. What I am seeing is delayed diagnoses for other conditions – breast cancer, skin cancer in young people, an onslaught of anxiety and depression, an increase in loneliness in the elderly, recently a fractured humerus in an elderly lady that has been like that for months as she was afraid to go outside.”
Now here’s a question no mainstream reporter will ask a epidemiologist, even though it’s an obvious one:
Are you modeling the non-COVID human costs of lockdowns and restrictions and if so, what have you concluded?
Of course no epidemiologist will answer you, because none of them are doing this. They believe that the subject of their monomania must be as all-consuming for everyone else as it is for them. The very notion of tradeoffs simply does not enter the picture.
There are very real tradeoffs that are measured in human lives — including but far from limited to the 1.4 million excess TB deaths, the 500,000 excess HIV deaths, and the 385,000 excess malaria deaths that even the New York Times acknowledged the lockdowns will cause.
Now if you mention the cost to people’s livelihoods, you’ll be accused of callousness, and you care about things rather than people, etc. — all the sorts of things a midwit would say.”
To be fair it is ultimately up to politicians to consider the tradeoffs, but the public health officials certainly should look at the wider picture of health, not just the “new” challenge – that is Tegnell’s position
I mentioned cost benefit analysis to an acquaintance of mine and she compared me to Hitler
Yes, in Tegnell’s interviews recently he has talked a lot about public health and what constitutes health from a long-term and bigger perspective, that for example denying people an education will have a long-term negative health effect..
I’ve said this before, I think Ireland are ahead of the curve on this. There are a lot of leading sceptics from Ireland like Dolores Cahill and Ivor Cummins, and a healthy dose of scepticism amongst the public (the rally in Dublin had more attendees than London, from a far smaller population) but can you imagine a senior figure from PHE or the NHS saying something like this? No, nor can I.
Nope. The marches are encouraging but remain small. They are doing a good job in demonising anti lockdown groups as right wing or conspiracy theorists. Ireland is the Silicon Valley of Europe and big pharma has been milking the low tax regime decades.
Polticial opposition is minimal, the odd individual here and there. Even anti establishment parties like PBP and SF seem to be more than happy to go along with the narrative.
Mask wearing is extensive. Even in Donegal which I frequent often and where the virus hardly took hold, masks are everywhere.
There are many individuals that are of great standing but this opposition still needs to get angry.
Are you modeling the non-COVID human costs of lockdowns and restrictions and if so, what have you concluded?
Of course no epidemiologist will answer you, because none of them are doing this.
And quite right too. Epidemiological and economic models are a different kettle of fish, and since there are some 90 people listed as participating in SAGE meetings, one would reasonably expect that expertise to be available.
The very notion of tradeoffs simply does not enter the picture.
If you ask an epidemiologist to model an epidemic, you get an epidemiological model. That’s why advisers advise and ministers decide.
Inly criticism: idea that the reaction is verging on hysteria.
Will
4 years ago
BBC wetting the bed about a “surge” of cases in Marseilles but not asking why there isn’t a commensurate surge in Paris. The reason there isn’t, which we all know is that Paris has reached the very low herd immunity threshold.
France locked down before the virus could get there.
Polemon2
4 years ago
On 4th Sept I received an eMail from my local council asking all residents to help avoid a local lockdown as “cases” were rising locally. (I wonder where they got my eMail address?)
I then sent an eMail to my three ward councillors suggesting that any increase in “cases” was mainly down to recent visitation of three mobile testing units which just revealed what already existed and in reality there was no true increase in the level of local infection.
10 days later I have has no response of any kind from any of them.
This reinforces by long held belief that local politicians are there just for the status which they think their role confers.
I shall abstain from all future local elections.
They are all conservative party members – although I doubt this is actually relevant.
I shall be voting for Independents from now. No Party and v few MPs have asked any relevant questions during the last six months. Quite simply, they haven’t done their job.
You must have e-mailed them at some point or supplied it on a form and then forgot about it. There’s no other way, though some conspiracy nutjobs may tell you otherwise.
In which case they should have asked if you still want to receive correspondence from them and to confirm that you do. If you don’t confirm or don’t reply at all the data is supposed to be deleted.
Basics
4 years ago
Local news headline.
Cops break up 405 lockdown house parties in Scotland with six arrested since Friday
Six people were arrested and one Fixed Penalty Notice issued as a result of the gatherings
Another headline
“Edinburgh Police called to the Meadows to break up gathering of 150 people
A group of ‘150 people’ were pictured having a ‘huge party’ the night before gatherings of more than six people were banned”
These are people enjoying themselves not protests.
I see the Greens in Scotland are objecting to a loophole that allows hunting parties to get around the rule of six law. There’s a good idea. Off to the hills with your shotgun for a party – the police wouldn’t dare to mess with you.
A thread on Francis Hoar’s Twitter refers to that little exception for hunting parties – clearly some lobbying went on to get that activity exempted from the rule of 6…
I’ll do my best to keep them going – especially when the frosts begin
Basics
4 years ago
“‘It’s the final nail in the coffin’- Bourbon nightclub warns Edinburgh’s nightlife is on its knees
The popular late night venue has been closed since March and has issued urgent concerns over their future
“An Edinburgh nightclub has described the Scottish Government’s music ban as the “last nail in the coffin” after spending months with no income.
“Edward Fox ,the manager of Bourbon nightclub, told Edinburgh Live that many venues across the city will not reopen unless help is provided to the late night industry.
“After months of closure, the club is growing increasingly concerned for its future as the furlough scheme winds down – despite no potential date for venues to reopen.
“He told Edinburgh Live: “We really haven’t had any information from the government about how we might be able to reopen in the future or what restrictions we would need to follow, at least then we could prepare.”
“In recent weeks, some late night venues have made the decision to reopen as a bar and lounge, however as there is a ban on background music, Edward explained that there would be no attraction for them to do this.
“He added: “The music ban has been the final nail in the coffin for us.
“We had thought of going down the route of a late night bar but the music ban has ruined that idea so we’re having to wait again”
Edinburghlive to read more.
The lack of communication is quite striking. I propose that tge Scottish Government have not had instructions from their masters as to how the night club sector is to be handled. Or, perhaps the Scotyish Government is deliberately acting in an inhumane manner towards the sector by keeping silent to destroy it.
No communication at this stage is not an oversight.
Musicians, like everybody else, have to got to eat. There has to come a time where more get out of zoom world and start playing in front of real people.
Just on your new post, the number can still be found by downloading and removing the layers from your picture using an editor such as GIMP or Photoshop.
Basics
4 years ago
Footnotes.
The day began with the troubled footnote (singular) of Hume that caused the tower to be classed as 40 until suitable non-white name can be found. Ghandi Platz is my bet.
More troubled footnotes as the moon rises. This time the broken Scottish Governments. Internal strife, heated, oh so heated discussions manifest themselves in asterisk and double asterisk form. Things are so woeful we nearly need to be looking up the keying sequence for the dagger! A joy in footnotes.
* may not reflect the total number of new cases or new tests due to late provision of test data on 14 September 2020. Any additional cases will be reported in the coming days.
** This figure includes people who are no longer being treated for COVID-19. Tomorrow, this will be replaced with a measure that focuses on hospital in-patients with a more recent positive COVID-19 test. [They’ve been promising this for what seems like a month or more].
She actually seemed quite upset that today’s ‘cases’ figure was so low so had to add disclaimer that it really is much higher it’s those people at Westminster that are holding up test results.
A chuckle thanks. Explains a conversation I stuck my head into earlier.. “it’s all political” well I had a little say at that myself, but soon realised we were snp and therefore don’t think.
No federally-recommended vaccine has ever been tested against a real placebo. Vaccines are tested against other vaccines or vaccine ingredients, masking harm. And the government has never tested the entire childhood schedule in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children.
Vaccines are typically tested for days or weeks, not years, like drugs.
Government agencies charged with vaccine safety are, in essence, vaccine companies, owning patents and earning royalties. They are sock puppets of industry.
Mainstream media heavily censors information critical of vaccines. The vaccine companies spend billions every year in advertising revenue to the big media companies in our country, and they’re not only buying ad space, they are dictating content.
It’s important to know you can’t sue a vaccine manufacturer for a vaccine injury or death. Instead, you have to go through a government claims program where most people lose. Vaccine makers get all the profits, but the injured get all the losses — physical, mental, emotional and financial.
COVID-19 vaccines have received billions in government subsidy and private money. These vaccines have become “too big to fail,” even though the clinical trials have been disasters.
Ah the comfort of data leaks, at least that feels like normal.
Public Health Wales
@PublicHealthW
We regret to announce that there has been a data breach involving the personally identifiable data of Welsh residents who have tested positive for COVID-19. Anyone concerned and wanting advice should read the FAQs: https://phw.nhs.wales/news/public-health-wales-statement-on-data-breach/
4:55 pm · 14 Sep 2020
Funny this because I’m currently developing a web app for one of my own company projects and it uses Amazon Web Services (AWS). Most of the web runs on AWS in some shape or form by the way.
One of the standard setups for apps (both web and mobile) is that a user can upload, delete, change objects in their own account. However it is possible without the proper security policies in place in the AWS bit to gain entry into everyone else’s data and even make yourself an admin.
It’s often because of how the initial development app is set up. I was aware of database script attacks such as through input forms, comment forms and search, and a lot of these techniques can be prevented with plugins. But the infiltration of a non-database stack is interesting.
I wonder if this has happened to the public health Wales thing. Temporary credentials were obtained that allowed deeper access to be gained using a few simple commands.
Can’t say I follow all, but interesting none the less. Unprofessional product development with a flaw that feasibly shoukd have been known. It’s a possibility I assume.
I’ve never before looked forward to a class action so much!
Would Slater & Gordon care to start one on behalf of we who have been denied constitutional freedoms without incontrovertible proofs for the Emergency Powers??
Klein
4 years ago
Went to a local garage there, everyone in it not wearing a mask; the staff and about 4 or 5 customers.
It felt great, totally normal.
On my way out one woman was walking up with one of those stupid flowery ones….will be her turn to feel like she’s a dick, only for wearing one rather than not..!
Our local petrol station is in partnership with Morrisons. Since the beginning less than 50% masks and get less by the week. As you say, those without beginning to feel stupid in small pockets of sanity.
One of the worst parts about all this is the chronic instability- you plan for anything at the mercy of the Clown Show’s next 9pm twitter diktat. I got a monthly discount coupon from the pub this weekend but I can’t look forward to using it when they can still shut the pubs again because sPiKiNg CaSeS1!1!
Also I really want to see a friend in Belfast next year but I just don’t know if I’ll even be able to get there, let alone what it will be like on the ground. I hope someday this madness will end.
My boys haven’t seen their cousin (my sister’s boy) since last August. They’re very close (or were) and he’s an only child. We were looking forward to Christmas, but now impossible (my sister is a covinazi)
Kevin
4 years ago
The Anna Brees channel on YT features many everyday folk, who have reached a point of enlightenment regarding the ‘pandemic’ and individually put themselves forward in a video blog.
Here is a 46 yr old mum:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCcPXV-5YC0&ab_channel=AnnaBrees
Many more on the channel.
I find it so curious that the maybe 10% who hold a sceptical position (or stronger), seem to have a completely different thinking mechanism to the unquestioning majority.
I got asked on another site by a pro mask ‘person’ why was I scared of masks (!?). It was clearly just another cheap, lazy jibe to avoid any confrontation with facts. I really can’t understand why anyone would even try to question someone’s motives for not wanting to do something so obviously stupid and devoid of common sense. What weird people there are out there…..
Diehard right-wing, Brexiteer, extremists apparently. Not that everybody here is a Brexiteer, and not everybody here is right-wing. I’m astonished that people who just want to see normality resume are branded as extreme…
Yes – centre-left remain-voter here (though I was 50/50 about it and have supported Brexit since the vote happened). Not an anti-vaxxer, just concerned at this vaccine being rushed out and it being made compulsory. Not a covid-denier, just someone who’s baffled at the response to a virus with a mortality rate under 1%.
The loss of our liberty is my number one concern through this whole thing. The sick feeling has not left me from the day Boris announced the Crackdown on liberty. It gnaws away like a nuclear reactor. It’s made me slightly unhinged. I worry for my son. What future can he look forward to now? I feel the destruction of our lives is the plan and the sickness comes from knowing there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it.
It’s the standard tactic. Label anyone who disagrees with the liberal agenda as a right wing fascist. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, doesn’t matter if the topic on question crosses the traditional left/right divide (whatever that is) or not. The still use the label as it’s the best way to discredit whoever’s is objecting.
I was described as a “fake news reading troll of a right wing extremist” for telling a “friend” (not one any longer since he responded like that) that Saint Jacinda was using military troops to guard quarantine centres.
This is very good. The evidence is now so overwhelming that it’s difficult to comprehend that the mainstream media haven’t woken up to the fact that the ‘lockdowns’ across Europe are causing more damage than the virus.
Ned of the Hills
4 years ago
First day of the Six ‘Act’ and the news on Radio 4 reports on the police cautioning mothers holding a toddlers picnic in a park. Clearly the police have decided to take on the toughest miscreants first!
Our brave policemen and women always go for the easy targets.I have completely lost respect for the police.The images of them kneeling and running down Whitehall sums them up.
The story will be strategic. Many mothers listen to R4? No. But perhaps caring, concerned grand parents do. What better way to disseminate fear of police than by word of mouth from your own family.
In a land where a disinformation unit and the army is functioning against the best interests of the people it is perhaps useful not to downplay these previously insignificant occurances.
Is it possible the story was even called for by SAGE SPI-B? Yes, I am afraid that is a well founded possibility.
I think that there be an exemption that covers that anyway. Certain support groups are exempted. There are quite a few – which potentially makes the rules 1) unenforceable and 2) utterly irrational and ineffective – why would the virus respect the long list of exemptions?!!
Wait until they start handcuffing the mothers or grabbing them by their throat up against a wall. Won’t be long now, as soon as curfews are imposed the police will feel they have carted blanche to behave in any way they want.
So much of this seems to be about multiplying complicity.
We now have whole groupings of police, from the most senior down, who know that any serious return of democracy means that they lose their jobs and their pensions.
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Looks like the FDA is taking a closer look at the Oxford Vaccine:
Unclear whether this is another participant, or a closer look at one of the two who have already been notified, and which prompted the pausing of the trials.
I think it must be the same one. The first one they thought was unrelated to the vaccine but maybe given the second it’s worth taking a closer look. If they get another case of transverse myelitis now you’d think that would be the end of the road for this vaccine candidate.
They’re using a big dose because it doesn’t work all that well, which increases the risk of these adverse reactions (but may lower the risk of the other potential issue which is enhancement).
The Russian “Gamelaya” vaccine is very similar, and they’re using twice as big a dose again. Not for the faint of heart.
Thanks Guy. The first one was supposedly a case of undiagnosed MS, and therefore unrelated (really?). In the second participant (Transverse Myelitis), was it after a second dose, or due to a big first dose?
I’d have to check but the MS case was probably in the earlier phase trial, when all the participants had to be super fit with no existing conditions. How can you miss undiagnosed MS in the the pre-trial physical examinations??
What we do know from the pre-clinical animal study was that all six of the macaques got infected after challenge with the virus and were viral shredding. A week later they were euthanised…
I think Pascal Soriot (CEO of AstraZeneca) said on an investor call last week it was in July. From the Lancet article, the first part of the Phase I/II was April-May, but I am not sure whether there was the intention of a booster dose in July, or whether it just went straight to Phase III with more participants in July. The US part of Phase III was due to start last week, but is now paused. I read the Indian trail continued notwithstanding the inquiry here. Not sure about South Africa.
AZ shareholders are speculating it was post 2nd dose as it was a woman in the U.K. who developed TM, and the U.K. arm of the study fully enrolled a while back.
It is possible that the MS was not diagnosed in the July participant because they may not have been showing any signs or symptoms of the condition. However, A-Z cannot ignore the possibility that their vaccine triggered it sufficiently for a diagnosis to be made. Depending on the type of MS, progressive or regressive/remitting, will have a serious impact on the person. If the latter then they will have periods with few symptoms alternating with periods of severe symptoms. If the former then that is going to completely disable the person over a period of time and they will inevitably die prematurely.
MS is also thought to an autoimmune disease, although it could be the failure of the cells that produce the myelin sheath around nerve cells.
Transverse myelitis May be an autoimmune disease but may also result from lack of myelin.
Yes they thought undiagnosed MS at the time, but it’s surely worth taking a closer look, as it’s a similar sort of problem (immune system going crazy and destroying your own myelin). I don’t know what the circumstances were of the transverse myelitis case. It should all get written up when the trial is over.
I noticed that when the the MHRA lifted the clinical hold, the other countries hosting the trial did not. This confirms it. And this is the second clinical hold. AZN did not acknowledge the first hold at the time, when a trial subject somehow contracted multiple sclerosis. This was because they concluded that the MS was not related to the vaccine….
It appears that the UK authorities are intent on giving this emergency use authorisation, before it is approved. Robert Kennedy Jr. recently stated that there had been two cases of transverse myolitis plus one of MS. Don’t know if he got that right though.
Transverse myolitis is one of the rare auto-immune diseases, that has been previously associated with other vaccines. TM and MS are both debilitating conditions for which there is no effective cure.
Sars-CoV-2 on the other hand is now an endemic virus, which is usually not clinically symptomatic.
People have very short memories. There was the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine debacle as well as Pandemrix for H1N1. I actually read an editorial in the Wall Street Journal last week written by a doctor who was going to advise his 96-year-old father to get the Covid vaccine even though his dad had been injured by the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976. I was absolutely shocked that doctor could be so blind to the issue of vaccine injury even after his own father experienced it.
The govt have always been terrified of being accused of letting Covid kill people. I’m puzzled that they seem to have no fear of letting a vaccine kill people.
Sweden shows lockdowns were unnecessary. No wonder public health officials hate it https://washex.am/2RxanfL
Imagine a world where Stockholm [think they meant Sweden] had caved to international pressure and fallen into line with everyone else. In such a world, politicians and public health officials could get away with claiming that but for their closures and crackdowns, things would have been unimaginably worse. The disease, they would tell us, would have spread exponentially. Millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, would have died.
I thought that lockdowners could argue they had a voluntary lockdown based on mobility data, as well as “Japanese culture is different” because they’re big on their personal space.
tonight itv4 22.00 Family Guy.. Not to everyones taste (a bit surreal with adult humour and often in bad taste) but this episode is based around vaccinations and is quite funny .
Only temporarily. CV19 will effectively end before Christmas in UK. There won’t be a safe vaccine for ages, if ever, it’ll be like SARs 1 – virulence dies out before vaccine passes trials. Brexit however is a whole other story. That one will run and run. A goldmine for every lawyer and accountant and politician, with endless re- negotiation of trade deals, legal interpretation and challenge clogging up the courts – the new CV Regs have nothing on what’s to come there – it’ll be never ending.
Hang on in there. I have days like that too but I really do feel that the message is getting out. It is just hard for those of us who have seen the obvious for ages and it is really hard to see that many people are still buying into the “we’re all doomed” nonsense and, worse yet, signal their virtue by donning masks everywhere, reminding everyone of “the rules” and accusing those who truly care about others – and want to see them have access to the work, education, healthcare, human contact etc. they need – of being heartless granny murderers.
Know how you feel. Compared with just two months ago, we’re doing well. Cracks are not just appearing in the dam wall, but the concrete looks like it’s crumbling too. Scepticism is gaining traction even in the MSM: editors know readers’ comments are turning against the narrative.
Hold fast.
Liam
4 years ago
I told a chap to f*ck off in the pub earlier when he approached my table where I was with friends and held up six fingers. I wasn’t very gentle, I’m a fairly big lad, a good bit over six feet and he took fright. Zero sympathy for him from onlookers and he left. I’m tired of being nice with snitches and idiots.
I joked with a couple of the lads that Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen would be out of luck in this situation. In all seriousness, I’m a reasonable fellow, if he tried that with some of the big lads, the scaffolders and brickies that drink in the bar etc, he could have got into real trouble.
They know they’ve got to end the bullshit to save Christmas (remember the true spirit of Christmas is profit and that is vital after a spring and summer of ruin). they suggest “two weeks”. Might as well just drop all pretence of controlling the virus right now, and keep it dropped. Let it spread, we don’t mind, Copy Sweden, Bring back normality.
It’s encouraging, though he makes a pukeworthy comment about the Tory Party at the end. There needs to be more of this. Nobody from Labour has criticised the government as strongly as this as far as I am aware.
There are some very satisfying phrases in his piece, well done to him. And I say that as someone who has always voted for anything but tory, and anything but brexit.
I hope I’m not going to foul-tempered tonight. It’s not a disposition I warm to. But Mr Deputy Speaker, there is a worrying trend – a worrying narrative emerging – and this is a good opportunity to get a lot of things on the record as I build an argument over the next two minutes, 45 seconds.
First of all, I am extremely concerned that we are placing severe restrictions on people’s liberties without any recourse to parliament. I would actually vote in certain circumstances to take people’s liberties away if I thought it was in the national interest. But I would like to have the chance to debate it on the floor of the House, to represent the concerns of my constituents.
I’m also concerned that we go around arresting old men in Trafalgar Square for having a peaceful protest and fining them £10,000. I never thought I would ever be defending Mr Corbyn in the chamber of the House of Commons. But I am – I am defending a Corbyn. We’ve got to be allowed to protest without fear of arrest or being fined.
And now today we hear that we’re going to have the public being urged to inform on their friends and neighbours because granny’s followed granddad into a family home of five. This is a profoundly unconservative thing. All of these things are unconservative.
I do think being asked to put this country, this House, members of this House, our constituents, on the wrong side of the law, before we’ve exhausted all other options – and I’m no fan of the EU, I was in every single division lobby for Brexit, I think they’re a pain in the neck – but surely we have to exhaust all other options before we press the nuclear button?
I’m not going to be voting for this Bill at second reading because if you keep whacking a dog, don’t be surprised when it bites you back. We are all members of parliament and we deserve to be taken seriously.
I accept there’s a pandemic – a national crisis – but surely that is the time when our voices should be heard on behalf of our constituents?
So I do hope the government goes away tonight, I do hope that the Prime Minister reflects on what is going on and listens to the concerns of this House, and comes back with a solution that allows me to skip through the division lobby at third reading and support him in this important Bill. Because I do believe, colleagues, that the Conservative party is the greatest party – the greatest political party ever – and we have to have the courage to live up to that greatness.
“So I do hope the government goes away tonight, I do hope that the Prime Minister reflects on what is going on and listens to the concerns of this House, and comes back with a solution that allows me to skip through the division lobby at third reading and support him in this important Bill. Because I do believe, colleagues, that the Conservative party is the greatest party – the greatest political party ever – and we have to have the courage to live up to that greatness.”
As far as I know, the self-isolation based on a positive test or symptoms of yourself or a family member is medical advice and as such can be ignored. Quarantining from abroad is a different kettle of fish.
patric
4 years ago
We are beyond the point where law applies. Laws passed by this government lost their validity on March 23rd 2020. This is a government which rules by decree, announcing legislation on twitter and enforcing it 15 minutes later. Legal grounds are not what matters now, look instead to how you can practically and feasibly oppose the theft of your rights. Our liberties cannot be returned by lawyers, but by having the public make the police realsie that enfrocement is impossible (and give up), and shortly later the politicians realise it id futile to draft laws that cops won’t enforce. (and give up too).
Basics
4 years ago
Daniel Andrews was asked about man having head stamped on by Police mid violent attack and the lady pulled from her car by violent police. Andrews replied all can be avoided if people do not protest.
Watch and see what a man with the wrong thing inside him speaks.
The participant who triggered a global shutdown of AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials was a woman in the United Kingdom who experienced neurological symptoms consistent with a rare but serious spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis, the drug maker’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, said during a private conference call with investors on Wednesday morning.
The woman’s diagnosis has not been confirmed yet, but she is improving and will likely be discharged from the hospital as early as Wednesday, Soriot said.
The board tasked with overseeing the data and safety components of the AstraZeneca clinical trials confirmed that the participant was injected with the company’s Covid-19 vaccine and not a placebo, Soriot said on the conference call, which was set up by the investment bank J.P. Morgan.
Soriot also confirmed that the clinical trial was halted once previously in July after a participant experienced neurological symptoms. Upon further examination, that participant was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, deemed to be unrelated to the Covid-19 vaccine treatment, he said.
The first participant was diagnosed with MS, before or after the vaccination?
If it was before then A-Z would have known about it, which clearly didn’t.
If after then the patient couldn’t have been aware of it, although the patient may have started to show signs of the disease but no firm diagnosis, but did the vaccine exacerbate or provoke the mild symptoms?
A-Z cannot just write off the July event as being unrelated. This has potentially life changing effects.
Some mask wearers just don’t realise they’ve got it on. So habituated to being muzzled that they don’t realise that its there, and quite a few don’t even realise the dangerous message that the mask’s presence is supporting.
Another comment says it’s to satisfy her children.
Gawd.
richard riewer
4 years ago
Dr Vernon Coleman just said that no one could be as stupid as Hancock, Johnson and company. They are not our friends and we should take away all their authority over us before it’s too late.
Good idea, but the cynical might think it’s a double-bluff.
dpj
4 years ago
Looks like the usual non response going on about how great and useful tried and tested vaccines are but not actually addressing the main point that it will be rushed in to production and hinting that they might ‘consider all options to improve vaccination rates’ which could mean anything. They also include the compulsory mention of the ‘second wave’ which has been coming imminently since June.
CGL
4 years ago
I suggested a window poster yesterday too. Great minds!
Poppy
4 years ago
‘We believe it is everyone’s responsibility to do the right thing for their own health’ – yeah, the right thing for me is that I’d rather not take the risk of ruining my own health with an experimental and rushed vaccine…!
But no doubt the disingenuous ‘wider community’ argument will be wheeled out to invalidate and override the concept of personal choice and risk, so that anyone who refuses isn’t just ‘risking’ their own health, but the ‘health’ of the vulnerable as well.
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Talking to a friend who organises events. They’ve been told to forget about running a large, open air event in May, though it ‘could’ be feasible in September. I cannot bear the idea that we will be living like this until Christmas let alone another 8 months…. or more.
I dream of this. But how? We are in a minority – most people support all of this or at least are happy to go along with it. Organisations won’t push back even though the restrictions will bankrupt many of them – too scared of being shut down. The police and the army are fully behind all of this. Sure we can refuse to wear masks and see who we like but this has minimal impact. What else can we do?
While I do so, note: May. No local elections next year.
So we will need to think of something. Posters?
Nsklent
4 years ago
My comments in brackets.
The Government response to the petition – “Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination”.
Government responded:
There are currently no plans to place restrictions on those who refuse to have any potential Covid-19 vaccine.
(Note the word ‘currently’ not ‘under no circumstances’ , therefore they are not ruling it out.)
After clean water, vaccination is the most effective and crucial public health intervention, and a cornerstone of public health that we must not take for granted. It is vital that a significant proportion of people who are offered take up a Covid-19 vaccine in order to protect themselves as well as other vulnerable individuals.
(Once again we have the manipulation of language as throughout this farce where words appear to suggest freedom of decision, but compliance will be enforced through implying harm to others).
Averting a second wave is a key priority for the government and high take up of a vaccine when available will greatly contribute to that.
(So, we are told a second wave is imminent, the vaccine isn’t- thank goodness- so how long is this supposed second wave threat going to be dragged out for. Note we are expected to expose ourselves to a rushed out, dodgy vaccine to support a ‘key priority of the government’, nice to know how valued our well being is).
Immunisations save thousands of lives every year by preventing outbreaks of serious infectious diseases and, in cases such as smallpox and polio, eliminating diseases in the UK altogether. Since the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1968, it is estimated that 20 million cases and 4,500 deaths have been averted in the UK. From 1970 to 2017, it is estimated that rubella vaccination has averted 1,300 babies being born with congenital rubella syndrome and 25,000 terminations. With further innovation and the development of new vaccines, even more lives could be saved.
(They miss the point entirely, as the concern is not about established vaccines, but vaccines that are not meeting the usual safety criteria, standards and research into long term side effects. Vaccines usually take many years before deemed approved).
We believe it is everyone’s responsibility to do the right thing for their own health, ( no, that responsibilty belongs to the individual, not the government) and for the benefit of the wider community (once again the old trick of implying your non compliance will harm others, you selfish person ).
There are currently no plans to introduce a Covid-19 vaccine in a way that penalises those who do not take up the vaccine. However, the Government will carefully consider all options to improve vaccination rates, should that be necessary. ( Well, here we have it, ‘consider all options’, thats a good subjective, broad category, so yes, we will force compliance if our targets are not met. We may not be wrestling you to the ground to whack a needle in, but we will make life’s routines and access to public spaces bloody difficult if you refuse vaccination).
The UK has a world class ( I, so hate this term, rolled out at every opportunity) national immunisation programme which is constantly reviewed and updated to reflect the changing nature of infectious diseases and provide the best protection for the public. All vaccines used in the UK are thoroughly tested, meet strict safety criteria and are carefully monitored after they are introduced into the national programme.
( Yes, to date this has been the case, but the issue with the aversion to any potential Covid vaccine that appears in the next 12 months is that it doesn’t meet this criteria, thus the current consultation on removing licensing).
Our evidence-based immunisation programmes are informed by the advice of our work leading expert committee – the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which reviews a wide range of scientific and other evidence, keeping the vaccine schedule safe and relevant.
Immunisation offers everyone a chance at a healthy life from the earliest beginnings and into old age. It saves millions of lives every year and is widely recognised as one of the world’s most successful and cost-effective health interventions. High uptake of a Covid-19 vaccine is the best way we have, to protect our health, our jobs, and our economy at large ( The grand finally, those that don’t accept the vaccination programme are selfish people who don’t care about saving lives or their country – you can only imagine the propaganda that will ensue if a vaccine emerges. Pity they hadn’t considered a functioning health service as a contributory factor to public health)
I just read that… cam straight down here to comment my anger before proceeding to the rest. Unfuckingbelieveable – it’s also a line that has an origin not with the one whole wrote this reply. Is it straight from pharma marketing?
I’m back. Polio has been put into circulation through vaccines. That’s nit a great thing. See WHO April 2020 admitting this to be the case. I read on .
As expected. I see they are saying they want to introduce the vaccine to prevent a second wave. No doubt we will be on the third wave by the time it appears.
That is almost word for word what the chair of the British Medical Council said at times on LBC With Andrew Castle. Listen to yesterday’s Richie Allen show and you’ll see. The whole analogy with the water, the speel about how they have been the best invention ever.
This whole thing is mad. They are reading right off a script. Empty suits.
Weird thing twitter! I have been trying to put a few sceptic thoughts around and have ended up with 20 people following me including people from USA and Australia! Oh well if it helps to move things forward. Yesterday I got involved in some threads regarding Australia/Victoria and got a huge number of likes and replies; Suffice it to say that plenty of people are not happy with what is going on in Victoria. But there is probably still a majority who go along with it out of whipped up fear over a ‘deadly virus’
But what is clear is that the authorities there as in the UK do not understand the science of SARS-Cov2PCR testing, Politicians everywhere are regarding PCR testing like a speed camera, either OK or speeding – healthy or diseased but it is not like that, and worse still in Victoria the authorities think they can blast it out of existence like the shoot out at the OK corral! Unlike the UK they do have a plan; https://theconversation.com/victorias-path-out-of-covid-19-lockdown-quick-reference-guides-145674
But the criteria are terrifying, like trying to sweep the beach free of sand, has nobody learnt the lesson of King Canute? With those sort of criteria totally based on PCR testing results they will be locked down for ever. And while one authority is doing this others (with the exception of Sweden) are unwilling to admit reality.
Missed that one, too much information and I’m also painting the house!
But the frightening thing to me is the criteria they are working to, it is clearly a zero covid strategy; No new cases for 28 days, state-wide. And by cases they mean PCR test results. It is akin to burning your house down because you have a mouse in the kitchen!
My daughter had a cough for about a week, it’s cleared up now. School didn’t mention it, we didn’t mention it, and we certainly did not get her a COVID test!
According to YouGov poll 107% of respondents would support that.
arfurmo
4 years ago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/call-snitch-want-civic-duty-tell-covidiots/
(paywall) but he has asthma so says he was a prisoner in his home. However he looked out of his window and to see guests arriving at neighbours’ houses; at weekends, my local parks were full of large crowds, with no attempt to socially distance; and on buses and trains, many of my fellow passengers refused to wear masks”.He was disapointed that the police had better things to do. Why should everyone out their lives on hold and wear face nappies when he is staying inside only? Loic is that I can’t afford a Porsche therefore noone should have one.
Reads like a SPI-B list of wants. They are telling us we need to refresh our commitment to their bollocks, they’seen our commitment wane and relax. This whole new wave of bollocks is being used to propagandise the fear back into the vulnerables.
Each story containes an identifed demograph, the young mum, now the underlying healthista.
From CPS website, I’d say our leaders are ticking enough boxes:
Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public. It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.
Examples include:
serious violence against a person or damage to property,
endangering a person’s life (other than that of the person committing the action),
creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public,
action designed to seriously interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
It is important to note that in order to be convicted of a terrorism offence a person doesn’t actually have to commit what could be considered a terrorist attack. Planning, assisting and even collecting information on how to commit terrorist acts are all crimes under British terrorism legislation.
He claims he was a prisoner in his own home, but witnessed people misbehaving in parks, trains and buses. He has certainly been out and about more than me.
Yeah pretty embarrassing. My wife has asthma and she couldn’t be less bothered about catching COVID. Why do these people want everyone to share their fear?
I am wondering what the next move will be in response to the latest testing snafu. My first thought was that running out of tests could only be a good thing. Less dodgy data to fuel hysteria with. But since the Government have hitched their horse to universal testing to ‘control the virus’ will this mean a new lock down?
Well they originally hitched their wagon to ventilators, and now everyone has forgotten that they were all the rage a few months ago. I’m sure they could do the same with testing if they wanted to, they have enough people under their weird spell.
Very true, another ‘lockdown’ (damn I hate that piece of prison terminology) is probably more likely, sadly!
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Richard
4 years ago
Quick update on the great “return to work” – am venturing to the City next week but talking to those who have been back I suspect the return for what it is worth is not going to last very long – still businesses with almost no one back – the lift problem isn’t going away anytime soon – heard of one building yesterday where it is only one person per lift. Most buildings are not allowing visitors so people meeting outside in coffee shops if open. So people just coming in to see workmates but them spending time on Teams or Zoom so being in the office and back in London (so either commuting pain or leaving their second home in nice parts of the country where most have have been for six months) is pointless and once the weather turns and you can’t sit outside to have a meeting that it’s really it. Suspect by October any return momentum will have fizzled out and reversed. Well done Alexander Johnson – London was certainly far from perfect but you have managed to do more damage than the the Luftwaffe
The professor Clark of Reading University sky news go to pundit said he is fine with those many thousands of sandwich bars coffee shops going bust in the event people remain out of cities.
Clark is one smart cookie, arrogant enough to wish unemployment and loss of livelioods on vast numbers of people. All said with a friendly I’m your pal smile.
And all the while getting his monthly salary. It’s the same with the SAGE committee. These people have no skin in the game so don’t care who gets thrown out of work by their pettifogging little rules.
By the way, it’s ONS death stats day. Should make interesting reading once again.
Typical academic idiot – the point he is clearly missing is that whilst the sandwich shops etc are the obvious and in some cases slightly easy casualties ( and perhaps too easy to be dismissive of Impact given often young overseas workers) – to eco system that supported that workforce and the overseas visitors that visit is enormous and stretches right through the economy – it’s the tailors / shoe shops (and the factories in Northampton they support) / dry cleaners / onsite childcare / shirt shops / pubs / restaurants/ taxis / hotels / the office movers / refurbishers / the serviced industry / gyms / personal trainers / barbers / beauty clinics / physio therapists / private GPs / dentists – terms of thousands of individuals across the income scale – not always visible on basements or tucked away in corners but there if you look hard enough.
Very similar here..been back in my City office..The lifts have 4 people limit, but yesterday myself and my team all crammed in( 8of us)..When we came to our floor one of the PA’s saw us and her head almost exploded..She grassed me to the head of Facilities (lucky a fellow skeptic) and he just laughed at her..They tried to take my temperature, I just said I don;t consent and they said ok.. Now most of my team are doing the same..I have a feeling that my rebellious behavior will soon be reported, but we will cross that bridge in time
I expect this has come up earlier and I missed it but not sure what to make of this; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54120753
The government has boxed themselves in with this hoo-haa and I wonder if it is only these sort of technical innovations (or a vaccine) that will give them the chance to bail out with some credibility?
It’s another thing to inject into us to protect us – sorry, everyone else – against a disease that really poses very little threat to the majority of us. Risk of dying or seriously suffering from Covid vs risk of being injected with something that has not been properly tested, trialled or licensed…? It’s a no brainer for me,
My question is – where are they going to find 2,000 people seriously ill from the covids? Not in this country, that’s for sure.
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Just listening to Pathetic Patel on the radio who has just said people must be stopped from “Mingling”
Anybody fancy a “Mingle”?
Usual time, usual place?
She’s a witch. I do like a good “mingle” though, hopefully my wife is not reading this She had a good look at the site yesterday, a long hard thoughtful look actually.
WhyNow
4 years ago
Isn’t it strange that they are not also testing for flu?
Every year we have a flu drama. All non-urgent procedures are postponed to free up capacity; hospitals run at 99%; there’s always a political argument that ends up with £3-4 billion more funding for the NHS. Roughly 25-30,000 people die of influenza or pneumonia.
So we would assume that the same would happen this year. But, this time, it is “second wave”, national testing programmes, spikes, epidemics, moonshots, hotspots. Better lock the country down.
I strongly suspect they know that the NHS is normally at full capacity in winter, and they are afraid the media will dramatise it. They can’t say: “It’s OK, it’s flu not Covid”, so better to lock down now and declare victory next spring.
It’s only £300 billion. Better to be safe than sorry.
This is just for Northern Ireland but general capacity in the hospitals. Has been creeping up latestly. From 75% about two months ago, now at around 88%. Not reflective of CV-19 admissions. So it’s all just a nonsense with all the attention on CV-19.
BBC R4 News interviewing the Home Secretary, it’s all about the “failure of Track’n’Trace to provide enough tests” as though it matters because they must know it’s all bollocks. Just like masks, another diversion from the real issues.
Battle if Britain? More like the phoney war.
willhhand
4 years ago
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So, the world beating, wonderful testing system is in a bit of a mess right now! The NHS, schools, care homes are waiting ages for results, thus affecting their activities. People asked to go 100s of miles for a test that may take days to come back. A test that is so sensitive (lots of cycles) that it will pick up any remnant dregs of RNA such that even a papaya fruit can test positive. Then we have the Fat Controller’s idea of a “moon shot” whereby 10 million people will be tested every day. Plus the world beating contact tracing app coming on 24th. It’s a joke! Well Gov. are a joke full stop. They could, and may have to, make the test less sensitive (less cycles) so as to only pick up high (and more infectious) viral loads. Something they should have done long ago. Ah well, the good news is that the “casedemic” will now decline if they cannot manage more testing. The downside is that people with sniffles (who for some reason seek a test) will cause whole swathes of workplaces, schools and Universities to cease functioning whilst results come back. You couldn’t make it up. Let’s get back to “normal”, protect the elderly and vulnerable and continue on the road to herd immunity, we are getting closer.
The formula I use for herd immunity threshold (Ht) is the classic Ht = 1 – (1/R0) . With R0 around 1.2 now, Ht is circa 20%. When R0 was 3 back in March Ht was around 70%. We have made progress. Let’s finish the job and get on with life.
Stay sceptical, control the hysteria, save lives!
Achilles
4 years ago
Well 2 weeks back at school and my daughter has a stinking cold (yes it is just a cold). Just goes to show how effective all that mask wearing, 2m distancing, one-way systems, deep-cleaning, hand sanitising, bubbling, etc. has been at stopping viruses. The “science” being applied in the real world right now is one step away from using the entrails of a frog to predict your future.
First day back in Sixth Form my daughter’s came down with a stinking cold. Viruses will spread full-stop. We should have let it spread from May to now rather than this irrational behaviour.
BBC R2 Monday afternoon.
Broadcasted the following with a working class blokey voice
“Yeah people who break lockdown laws are just like terrorists just like walking the streets with a machine gun they should be treated like terrorists”.
This was not the random nutter on the Jeremy Vine phone-in but came during the BBC Radio 2 NEWS. The statement was not attributed and not put into any type of context.
That was Kit Malthouse, the dishonourable member for North Hampshire (my parent’s MP) and Minister of State in the Home Office and Ministry of Justice on the Today show wasn’t it?
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Come on, you dissidents, dissenters, sceptics; that’s enough vertual mingling!!
Take notice of your Auntie Patel.
Except it’s the same or more in France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Holland, Ireland
Arnie
4 years ago
I’m ex-forces but violence doesn’t come naturally to me. Yesterday a fleeting thought came to me about what I would do if I came across Boris hanging from a lamppost (by his neck obviously).
No thinking necessary. I’d hold his ankles & add my weight.
This whole hoax is going to end very badly. If normal people like me are starting to think like this what are lunatics on the fringes thinking? Especially those who are believers? God help us.
Bear in mind a “backlash” from “extremists” doesn’t mean those people taking over, it means significant pressure to pull the mainstream in that direction.
Libertarian pressure means reduction in government powers over individuals and the restoration and protection of civil rights. Extremism in that direction is absolutely what we need right now.
“Survivalists” is pretty much just an American thing and used here as some kind of smear, but in fact we absolutely could do with a lot of pressure to restore individual self-reliance and fortitude.
“Rightwing” depends on where you yourself stand (or think you stand) on the core political spectrum, but my view is that we have objectively shifted so far to the the left over the past century or so that pushing back somewhat in the other direction can only be a good thing. Those who doubt this are ignoring the decades of indoctrination by an elite class of the kind of people who run the BBC (known to be dominated by Labour and SDP supporters who hate anything “right wing”), and the stark reality that we are currently living under the rule of the least left wing of our mainstream parties, and yet have a government who don’t just support collectivist nationalised healthcare, they actively worship it, who condone the police and authorities kowtowing to the anti-white racist mobs of BLM, and who believe that unlimited government spending regardless of any possibility of repaying it is fine (the inherently leftist “magic money tree” approach).
If these things were being done by the party representing the left, they would be reasonable to expect, but they aren’t. This is the best that is currently available to conservative voters – the “Conservative” Party, a party of the soft left.
Absolutely on the money Mark. Totally agree. Just want to add that we must be an open church, many people on the left side of the political system are also seeing this government made disaster for what it is & I for one want every right minded person on side for this fight. (We’ll save the political chats for after we’ve won, or in the trenches during lulls in the fighting…). Cheers, Arnie.
Feeling down with it all the other day, I was suddenly cheered by the thought of someone assassinating Johnson, Hancock et al. I definitely felt better.
Remember those days when happiness wasn’t a crime Sam? Ahh those were the days!..
WhyNow
4 years ago
The words “herd immunity” have crept in to the language. But didn’t we previously call it Resistance? We are resistant to flu but we fight it and we recover. We are not immune. Isn’t that the same thing here? The evidence is that we are also naturally resistant to Covid. That’s why the rapid rise in deaths in April was never going to keep rising exponentially.
To be a really dangerous threat, the disease would have to kill people with a different age distribution from normal. It did not. The age distribution was exactly as normal: 40% over 85. Now, maybe they were the healthy over 85’s and it was next going to start on the terminally ill. But the exact opposite is the case. It started on the terminally ill and did not go much beyond there. 90% had an additional cause of death on the death certificate.
And of course they keep using the Spanish flu example to keep the fear going, particularly of the “second wave” when what this virus has shown is that it is completely unlike the Spanish flu and acts exactly like the regular viruses we have always lived with. So why keep using the Spanish Flu as an analogue?
The non-medically, and non-scientifically qualified Gated gives us the benefit of his views on the Spanish Flu and the subsequent ‘mutually exacerbating catastrophes’ that we are about to see again unless …..
Sweden insisted that herd immunity wasn’t the goal and you can see that they’ve been proven right. It’s become a low level endemic disease. Herd immunity, like second wave, has been one of the many buzz terms that have been latched onto and overused, as always happens.
Herd immunity is really immunity from large scale injury. We have “herd immunity” from measles and chicken pox but we still get it. So it’s relative.
What isn’t being pointed out is that we already have a limited blast radius from respiratory diseases even when we actively cause more collateral damage (as per the care home policy).
The flu has been the control over this whole charade. The absolute numbers are down due to misattribution (we can see that in the decrease in the usual top ten causes of death). But then for the recent months the rates of flu have followed the usual pattern.
The flu is the control for testing viral spread.
All the measures have done nothing
smurfs
4 years ago
I have been trying to figure out why there has been a sudden switch in focus and sudden urgency in giving the flu shot for the first time to all children here in Ireland and the UK, and all I can think is it is a criminal attempt to engineer a “second wave”.
The shot, once given, will shed the flu virus which will spread throughout our susceptible populations. We know that flu each year kills more people than covid so we can fully expect the death count amongst the elderly will ramp up once again as a direct result and produce the sought after “second wave”. We are also well aware that all these deaths will be classified as covid deaths in order to justify the ongoing draconian lock down measures. A win-win for the NWO!
I don’t think there is much we can do to slow the vaccine momentum given the large number of lock down fanatics out there, but you can and should refuse to allow your children to be vaccinated for flu.
Also, if you have any elderly relatives then you ought to protect them by ensuring their immune systems are boosted using natural remedies/vitamins to prevent them from becoming a statistic.
Punch drunk. Tetraflu or similar name advisory note was posted here recently. The note suggested the flu might be shed for two weeks post jab and there for keeping away from vulnerable people advised. A trade off decision was to be made giving the flushot to vulnerable between possibly causing the flu by vaccine and the chances of them encountering wild flu. Both risks to be weighed up.
Correct. Vaccinated children sheds the vaccine. In addition the flu vaccine is contraindicated to Covid infection – links below
davews
4 years ago
I mentioned the conversation I had with a friend on a different forum where we disagreed about mask wearing. I will report in more detail when the new page comes up but he has just stated ‘Those who cannot wear masks because they are exempt should not be allowed into shops’. You cannot win with these people.
Note that there is a wonderful cover all clause in the legislation: This includes (but is not limited to):
The logic of not allowing people in to shops is that they should starve to death. What his way of getting round that?
tonys
4 years ago
We are told that 200,000 tests are being carried out daily at the moment, who are these people, when everyone who might conceivably benefit such as care home workers are apparently struggling to get one?
With 2% positive, why aren’t MPs even questioning the monumental waste of resources? You don’t need to be in any way a sceptic for that. Just interested in keeping the public finances afloat
Schools seem to be a huge issue, with mass testing of contacts when a child gets a sniffle. I would personally suggest no testing of under 16s in the community.
My neighbours cant see beyond the end of their own nose so I doubt they will see the boots I am walking in. They are good at clapping on command I will give them that.
I have to admit whatever your response is meant to mean/imply has gone over my head.
Ah I see now. A little slow this morning. Interesting idea.
Rabbit
4 years ago
Simon Dolan was just on LBC talking to Nick Ferrari, good interview. Hopefully possible to playback somewhere. Followed an interview with Pritti Patel, which he just highlighted the absurdity of the rule of six. She couldn’t provide any kind of halfway decent response.
Always they throw these huge flat figure numbers out through media as nothing other than a distraction. Which, without exception, is never challenge. Where is the minimum of £3000000000 going to come from to pay for yet more plod ?
Will they wear brown shirts? Just so we know who the Marshals are..
PaulWW
4 years ago
Toby’s maths isn’t strong: “Sweden’s death toll stands at 578 deaths per million, around 0.06% of its population”. Actually it’s 0.0006%. The same as us, the US, etc.
Youth_Unheard
4 years ago
I would really love some data about the the mythical “long covid” aside from individual doctors saying they have X number of patients still complaining of Y symptoms Z months on. Entirely anecdotal. Never has any illness ever had longer lasting consequences?? But anyway, if they had the data to tell me a percentage of all those infected who go on to get persistent long term symptoms which impact daily life, and the age ranges this affects, then it would help their argument. But I very strongly suspect that the data would prove that so few people actually get these phantom long term symptoms that it would be yet more evidence to ignore it entirely.
I bet it is not that many people but it has been used in the media to add a bit of drama. There are recognised long term conditions (for example https://www.medicinenet.com/myocarditis/article.htm) but these are common to many infections.
Just trying to update myself: so, this disease that you can’t tell you’ve got, without a test that doesn’t work, because you have no symptoms, and for which the treatment is “Go home”, gives you another condition that you can’t tell you’ve got? And then it lasts a ‘long’ time. Bloody hell, it is dangerous!
I thought I’d lost you there but you redeemed yourself. Yes it’s dangerous. Stay safe. Hope to see you Thursday for our NHS clap, socially distanced of course.
Some people take longer to fully recover from sever viral infections. Most of it is to do with nutrient deficiencies and the Krebs cycle struggle to produce ATP (energy)
p02099003
4 years ago
I think I may have found the source of the blanket DNACPRs in care homes.
As part of my mandatory training I have to undertake a Basic Life Support online course. I also looked at the next level course, which is actually in-hospital Advanced life support. It has been updated and includes covid-19 related actions. One of the actions is referral to critical care, if the clinical fraility score is 5 or more then CPR is unlikely to be beneficial and a DNACPR may be appropriate. Thus, if a patient is discharged from hospital with a CFS of more than 5 then they could leave hospital with a DNACPR in place. https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng159/resources/clinical-frailty-scale-pdf-8712262765
They get a lot right – the horrors of the economic collapse, stalled vaccination programs, development put back 25 years in 25 weeks etc.
Unfortunately they say the government responses were ‘necessary’ and the way of getting out of this is through vaccination. So haven’t really learned from Sweden
“Current data suggests that children are less likely to have severe disease from coronavirus infection than older adults. However, as coverage for routine immunizations decreases and case management for pneumonia and diarrhea have been interrupted due to the pandemic, children are increasingly vulnerable. Models predict that acute malnutrition will increase dramatically, which will make it harder for children to fight off infectious diseases.”
and that infant mortality could increase by 10 per 1000 live births due to the response to the pandemic (difference between worse and reference scenarios). Given that there are 140 million births per year, this corresponds to 1.4 million extra under 5 year old deaths per year. Puts the 800,000 worldwide deaths of care home residents into perspective. God alone knows what the lost QALYs will be.
“Omnibus means “By, with, or for, everyone”. The political meaning is not immediately obvious and hence not easily dismissed, yet both liberties and rights are strongly present within the meaning and associations of the word ‘Omnibus’. “
Yep I’m a big fan of this. Doesn’t matter where we fit within the political spectrum, or what we think about Brexit, and so on. Very powerful stuff. Let’s get this ‘bus on the road!
skipper
4 years ago
As businesses are exempt from the “rule of six”, as a loophole couldn’t I just form a Limited company (which can be done for less than £10) and use my home address as the registered office address?
Then, I would be able to have over more than six people at my house, and if I was to get reported and the Police were to attend, they wouldn’t be able to do anything as I am having a business meeting. If queried on this I have got the certificate of formation, and they could also confirm this on the Companies House website.
If they are there to do work, they don’t count towards the six limit. So, your guests just need to look like workmen; maybe a Village People themed party?
“Results of 43 EQAs were examined, giving a median false positive rate of 2.3% (interquartile range 0.8-4.0%). ”
“Unless we understand the operational false positive rate of the UK’s RT-PCR testing system we risk overestimating the COVID-19 incidence, the demand on track and trace, and the extent of asymptomatic infection. ”
Firstly, don’t tell anyone you’ve been told to self-isolate. Consider getting one of these doorbells that alert your phone and you can speak to whoever is at the door without actually being at home. https://en-uk.ring.com/?gclsrc=aw.ds&?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIieHYuN_q6wIVjN_tCh3KvgTyEAAYASAAEgIq7_D_BwE
If you’re out and you have a back entrance use that rather than the front during your isolation. Look very closely at who is around when you approach your house from the front. If you have any doubt, don’t enter.
They key thing is not to tell anyone that you’re going overseas, say it’s a week in Cornwall/Wales, and not to tell anyone, if it happens, that you have been told to isolate.
Chicot
4 years ago
A fellow sceptic sent me this video about the current situation in NZ. It looks like the “outbreak” in NZ has been manufactured in order to bring about lockdowns and mask-wearing.
When tv reporters interview the “man and woman in the street” I wonder why said man/woman always but always agree that “the government are doing the right thing, that they are protecting the old, vulnerable etc.
Surely it would be just and fair to interview the odd dissident person.
Anyone would think that this was “fixed and/or fabricated” wouldn’t they?
I was interviewed once on radio, on behalf of a small local museum. Nothing controversial. But I had to rehearse the whole thing, questions and answers, before going “live”. It’s easy enough for tv reporters to do that too. Carefully chosen buzz-phrases and “approved” sentences.
I’ve been noticing this. E.g. as I mentioned in an earlier post Radio Four’s news reported on the police ‘correcting’ mothers for holding a toddlers picnic in a Bristol park as numbers topped six. Two mothers were interviewed both sounded very contrite – as opposed to being bloody outraged! (I hope I’m recounting the report correctly – it is how I recall it anyway)
I hope too Bristol mothers today are organising a jamboree in the park today on this sunny day (well, it is here up North)
It’s fixed. When the Portuguese national football team recently went to play with Sweden, RTP (a Portuguese TV station) managed to interview the only two people in Stockholm who believed that they had murdered their old and vulnerable. They also thought that masks should be compulsory everywhere at all times. I’m not sure if they bribed them or just kept looking for people until they got the ‘right’ answers.
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
I wonder how when the collaborators tell us that the government are doing the right thing, etc, they can explain to me exactly how destroying the economy, jobs,businesses and the future of our children of all ages is somehow a good and right thing to do.
It’s very funny how all the ones supporting all the Government and adhering to all the laws and guidelines, seem to be your FBPE’ers and Blairites who are the ones most opposed to this Government.
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
I tried to put a comment on Metro UK against the lockdown and I was told that they wouldn’t accept it because and I quote “It is not inline with our community guidelines”
Got to go now, there’s 2 men in trench coats banging on my door.
Only joking, well I am for the present.
Liberal MP Craig Kelly says studies have shown a 73 per cent reduction rate in mortality where Hydroxychloroquine was dispensed to COVID infected patients, yet Australian health bureaucrats continue to deny the evidence. Mr Kelly said on Thursday an Italian peer-reviewed study showed a 73 per cent reduction of mortality where Hydroxychloroquine was administered. A further study from Saudi Arabia produced the same figure – Hydroxychloroquine caused a 73 per cent reduction in death from COVID. He told Sky News host Alan Jones early in the coronavirus pandemic period, doctors were free to prescribe Hydroxychloroquine to patients for off label use. “It’s a drug that is lawful for doctors to use,” Mr Kelly said. “We’ve got health bureaucrats in this country who think they know better than thousands upon thousands of doctors all around the world, and have banned this.” He said despite studies showing incredible results from this previously legal drug, the Queensland chief health officer “has not only (made) it illegal, but put a six months criminal penalty if a doctor prescribes it or if a chemist would dispense it to a Queenslander”. “We’re talking about people’s lives here … a 73 per cent reduction, and we’re getting study after study after study after study, all showing the same result, but we’ve got our health bureaucrats digging in because they’re afraid to say ‘hang on a minute, we’ve made a mistake’. “They deny the evidence that continues to roll in day after day.”
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Need to look out for this in the morning. Will be interesting to see how people respond to the story:
Revealed: Lockdown Blow to UK Health
Hospital admissions for seven major non-Covid illnesses down by 173,000
http://Www.covid19assembly.org
Virologist who fled China says Beijing is lying about COVID — and she has the evidence to prove it
‘It comes from the lab— the lab in Wuhan and the lab is controlled by China’s government’
https://www.theblaze.com/news/virologist-who-fled-china-says-beijing-is-lying-about-covid-and-she-has-the-evidence-to-prove-it?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200913Trending-VirologistBeijingLying&utm_term=TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News
A Chinese virologist who escaped to the United States earlier this year claims the coronavirus is man-made — and she says she has the evidence to prove it.
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, who was formerly based in Hong Kong, explained on British talk show “Loose Women” last Friday that she was one of the first Chinese scientists to conduct research on the novel virus. She claimed the Chinese government, which is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, is lying to the world about the origins of COVID-19.
Officially, the Chinese government claims the virus originated from a wet market in Wuhan. But Yan called the claim a “smokescreen” — and said the virus actually came from the infamous Wuhan bio lab.
“It comes from the lab— the lab in Wuhan and the lab is controlled by China’s government,” Yan said.
Yan, who holds both an MD and a PhD, said she obtained her intelligence about the virus from the Chinese CDC and local doctors on the ground in China.
The Chinese Centre for Disease Control needs to review their security protocol. Level Four not good enough.
All they need to do is wrap the lab building in some left over textile material – maybe with a pretty pattern print
3 layers is enough
Take a photo and send it to VistaPrint.
Nothing new here.
My main concern about this is why such big news would find it’s way to Loose Women instead of mainstream media.
Of course. Obviously this person would have no axe to grind whatsoever.
I emailed Covid19Assembly a couple of weeks ago and have heard nothing more except for a brief acknowledgement. Has anyone been able to become involved?
I did too, funnily enough, and got no response at all. I assumed it was because I asked them, before proceeding further, to clarify who their leaders, trustees and advisers are, what their corporate status is, and what their source of funding is. Their website still reveals none of these things, which you might think it would be important to set out before asking people to donate their time and money. I assume it’s a bright idea which someone dashed off a few web pages for and then lost interest.
Perhaps someone reading these comments is able to provide that information?
Approximately 450 people will have died of cancer yesterday, this time next year it’s likely to be 500+ because lockdown.
Nice one boris.
Charge him with premeditated murder to the nth degree.
Only 500+? I’d suspect more like a doubling at the very least.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8728693/Lockdown-blow-UK-health-Hospital-admissions-seven-major-non-Covid-illnesses-slump-173-000.html
Includes some terrible personal stories, and a hard-hitting essay from Dr John Lee.
Thanks, I’ll buy the print version to read over breakfast. First paper I’ll have bought since March as a little reward for the Mail telling some of the truth at last.
70p bargain ! Less than half the price of the Telegraph.
The comments give hope as well. Is the tide now turning? The DM is read by thousands of people,even up here in Sturgeon land.
I found young father Sherwin Hall’s story particularly upsetting: 16 doctors later and he’s now been told to be prepared for the delayed treatment to fail.
Why did no one listen to his reports of such troubling symptoms? In such a young patient, they should have been investigated immediately.
And young mother Kelly Smith who died aged just 31,angry,frightened and frustrated.
Dr John Lee is becoming one of our most effective leaders in the fight to restore normality and stop this inexcusable madness.
I’m also going to buy the daily mail (never thought I’d say that!). Its incredibly powerful.
There is a great CS Leis quote at the end of this article. Here is the full version:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
Excellent – though I’d like to have been able to ask him why he thought they were “more likely to go to Heaven.”.
Is it to do with confessing their sins? Like with Jimmy Saville, most people say he’ll be rotting in hell now, but actually if there is heaven and hell he won’t be if he confessed his sins before he died which he most likely would have.
Puts me in mind of Solzhenitsyns observations about the behaviour of fully committed Communists who fell foul of the Soviet Regime.
Instead of turning against their tormentors many concluded that since Party ruled for the benefit of The People he himself must somehow be at fault though not knowing what that fault may be. Being imprisoned must therefore be the correct position.
protect the NHS… Dont bother us .. just die at home
“But all practices will today receive a letter warning them that many patients ‘are experiencing difficulty in accessing their GP’.
The letter instructs family doctors to remind all patients that they can come in for appointments if they need to – and warns them not to send people to A&E instead.”
Finally!!!!
My own GP practice has been fine, car park always full.
I am an infrequent user despite COPD and Asthma for which I did not receive shielding instructions (which I would have ignored, rightly as it turned out).
“The UK’s epidemic had forced many GPs to move most of their services to phone calls or Skype to avoid coming into contact with patients unnecessarily.
But all practices will today receive a letter warning them that many patients ‘are experiencing difficulty in accessing their GP’.
The letter instructs family doctors to remind all patients that they can come in for appointments if they need to – and warns them not to send people to A&E instead.”
What utter hypocrisy. Hancock had given a speech not that long ago saying that GPs should continue with telephone and online consultations , even after the CV19 “pandemic” was over.
Now they’re lecturing GPs to say they must offer appointments at their surgeries. And don’t send anyone to hospital and A/E…
Dr John Lee has a conscience and an abundance of positive empathy. PM Johnson, on the other hand, appears to have misplaced his consicience and natural empathy towards others on the day when he left the emergency ward.
He certainly left his brain behind.
At least it is front page news.
Hmm, I am not yet convinced this is a positive sign. There was a near identical headline re Australia in Daily Mail a day or two ago. (Australian edition) I noticed another surprising headline – this one condemning the stereotyping of protesters as conspiracy theorists. This from the chief culprit ! A complete 180 degree turn from it’s coverage of the protests a week ago. The last week has seen a sudden and unified change in the MSM narrative about the Victorian premier Dan Andrews, he has been condemned by everyone – PM, the security services, all major media outlets and business leaders. I sense some sort of agenda or propaganda strategy in such seamless unanimity. Mainstream newspapers have very little to do with news.
Indeed. What are they up to?
I’d like to know !
Paying heed to the overwhelmingly sceptic/anti-Johnson views of their commenters.
I’m thinking this may be the start of an attack on the current world leaders in order to facilitate wholesale, NWO changes. Hope I am wrong.
I do too !
This is the article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8729387/Anti-lockdown-protests-brought-coalition-freedom-advocates-Melbourne.html
However, the article is listed under the “Killer Coronavirus” category on the front page! – kind of mixed messaging…
I agree that a sudden 180′ change amongst all the media and authorities is a bit suspicious. But the situation in Victoria seems to be getting more nightmarish by the day (am I correct that people have been arrested for liking Facebook posts by protest organisers?) so I’d say anything that gets “Kim-Jong Dan” out has to be a good thing.
The godawful modelling has been called out and it might be twigging for people and the media. There was a radio interview that exposed him. People want a straight answer why there was a curfew after the CHO and police came out and said that they didn’t request it.
This is a satisfying read.
https://www.zerohanger.com/luke-darcy-goes-head-to-head-with-daniel-andrews-over-victorias-extended-lockdown-60339/amp/
Whoda thunk it eh ?
I could cry, these absolute morons all need to get thrown in the tower.
Yep, immoral spineless morons.
When they get there, I hope that the Ghost of Anne Boleyn will give them all a visit. In the midnight hour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch-XRnPhNkw
http://Www.covid19assembly.org
I’m just back from a trip ‘home’ to Glasgow (from London) and it’s seriously depressing how compliant the sheep are up in Scotland.
Once I arrived back in London, other than a cabbie that didn’t understand mask exemptions, I was genuinely back HOME! I went to the pub and didn’t even think about going to the bar and ordering a pint!
I was born and bred in Scotland (first 25 years of my life!) but it’s now a land of cowards and I weep for the country of my birth…
That cabbie will have had Disability Awareness Training, tell him he needs a refresher. Refusal to accept your “ì’m exempt, thank you” is the same as refusing to allow am assistance dog on board.
Do like Braveheart.
As one of London’s finest Id say mask wearing is about 50/50 among the drivers who are still working.
We have have an edict from TFL to say drivers must wear a mask at all times,passsengers the same.No mention of any exemptions for driver or passenger.
A friend has been reported to TFL for not wearing a mask while being alone in his cab.They must be worn at all times while plying for hire.
You probably were not going far enough for the driver which is why he made a fuss.
Do TFL take written responsibility for Hypoxia?
What if you gave a lung condition and your Dr recommends not wearing a mask?
To the “one of London’s finest” – thanks for identifying yourself on this thread, and for all you do to tread the impossible line between what you are required to do and what you feel it is right to do. Posting here helps people remember that some of you are not at all the enemy
Same here. Sturgeon has hypnotised the masses. Awful.
I wish I knew! No signs as yet.
Definitely agree. I live in Glasgow but I’m having a short break in London just now and I’m happy to say I wasn’t the only one unmasked on the tube but overall I’d say about 80% are masked.
Excellent news and round-up, Will!
All it took was an online petition with 1700 “signatures”. So let’s start a petition to change the name back.
If I’d known who David Hume was when I was a student there I’d probably care as much about the name as I do now, which is not at all.
Skeptic was David Hume’s middle name and his claim to fame.
Bragging about your ignorance is not as clever as you seem to think it is.
Can’t imagine how I’ve survived this long being so ignorant. Bet you check yourself in the mirror regularly and wink at yourself for being so clever.
Must agree with that sort of thing, named buildings seem grand, but nobody who uses the building ever pays attention to the namesake. I hate to think how much moey will be wasted changing over the signage though.
My first undergraduate degree is in philosophy. It’s offensive to me that the university caved to 1700 “woke” idiots.
So, it’s probably being run by woke idiots. Disgrace to the international reputation of that university. I hope enrolment plunges.
The whole of Scotland is pretty much being run by woke idiots.
They didn’t use the full name so in the fullness of time it will become just another George Square named after dead Kings.
Laid out in 1766 so named after George III. Who was of course white privileged gammon who reigned over a nation of colonial institutional racists enslaving africa. As most of the square is occupied by the University i am sure they can get the name changed by a compliant council. Sturgeon Square anybody?
Mad king George ?? He would be bloody livid!!!
Snap.
Salmond Square.
Kings who ruled during the time of organised slavery ?! Bloody hell !
I don’t know, I think the new name is quite fitting. The David Hume Tower is a monstrously ugly building which would be greatly improved by non-existence. Floyd was a monstrously ugly character who has been greatly improved by non-existence. I’d only want it named after Hume if it was to be demolished and rebuilt in a more handsome style.
I agree to a certain extent about the building, but they might have the idea of pulling down the statue on the High Street next.
First chuckle of the day – thanks Ben.
No one deserves to be murdered like George Floyd was whatever sort of person he was and no country wants police that kneel on people’s necks to arrest them. It could be protestors against lockdown next.
One consolation: it’s a hideous building.
The named changed from an Empiricist to a drug fueled career criminal who holds pregnant women at gunpoint and never contributed anything to society!
Yep! That’s the logic of Black Lives Matter for you. Cuckoo!
They have changed the name for silly spurious reasons, but 40 George Square is just its address. It has been George Square for decades.
A bit of fact checking on this website’s part wouldn’t go amiss sometimes…
Actually correct that, it has been George Square for literally hundreds of years…
there is a modern day equation
1 woke person = 100 normal people
Edinburgh Councik held a petition that got one signature to start flying the European Flag a top city chambers. An actual searchable fact.
https://www.scotsman.com/education/university-criticised-removing-david-humes-name-amid-racist-distress-concerns-2970050
Scotsman recording academic disapproval of the change. Back in June when BLM was causing damafe to the streets it was being said Hume’s racism was found in one footnote in one single instance of wording that is taken to be a racist comment. The rest of his work irrelevant because of the footnote.
Said it yesterday, overseas students stay away from Edinburgh University your education will be blighted by griup think baises and woke authorities. Go somewhere better and live an unblighted life.
Live an unblighted life in Blighty.
For anyone lucky enough to have the choice of where to go and not be tied to this shitty nation by various commitments and having been in the culture too long to imagine going elsewhere, live unblighted outside blighty, pick Sweden.
So who can you support? Labour isn’t much better. The British public needs to understand that the two party false dichotomy must end.
You can’t support any of the other major or minor parties either: Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, all full of lockdownists.
I was in Hampstead on Sunday. In the window of GAP there was a sign saying FACE COVERINGS ARE COMPULSORY with no reference to exemptions. Is this legal? If not, can anybody give me the right things to say legally (Equality Act etc) and I will complain to them. Might do it anyway just to waste some of their time – they won’t like being accused of discrimination.
It’s probably legal, but you’re well within your rights to complain. The sign Toronto businesses have to post uses the term “required” but does make reference to exceptions for people who can’t comply in the small print. You should look up whatever businesses in your area are required to post and see if the GAP has conformed or gone rogue. I find it hard to believe there’d be no requirement to reference exemptions.
Regardless of their sign, one
word,”exempt” is all you need to say, “thank you” makes it more polite but is optional.
My local McColls newsagent/convenience store gives equal prominence on signs asking customers to wear a mask and saying that there are exemptions for people with disabilities, including hidden ones.
Think all shops should be doing this
From what I’ve seen the major American brand retailers in the U.K. are the worst for their demands. Disney, Apple, GAP etc
I’ve noticed that as well. Spanish ones such as Zara and Mango are bad as well, Bimba y Lola went one step further by decreeing “no mask, no sale”. Surprise, surprise they’ve been devoid of customers.
I’ve been quite shocked at the lack of sensitivity towards customers from a few local businesses displaying that “no mask, no service” that in person give pretty good service. It’s as if Covid gives makes them forget all about customer relations. Businesses need to wake up and fast.
Agree with you on that. Certainly good customer service has gone out of the window since this madness started. I recently wrote to the National Trust to complain about the lack of good customer service in the cafe of one of their properites and in the end all I got was a non-apology parroting the usual line about prioritising the safety of their staff.
Memo to all businesse and institutions: “Caring” for the safety of your staff is not an excuse to treat your customers and visitors abysmally. If that’s your logic then don’t be surprised if customers and visitors desert you in droves and you go bust!
We need to be establishing a netwrok of businesses that respect the welfare of customers instead of the diktats of government. A lockdown sceptics economy.
Vote with your feet. I minimise my visits to shops, but those I do visit have not given me any trouble so far for not wearing a face covering.
Had my first argument with a cafe today. Went to go in and was met with a raised hand “Not more than one inside at a time!” I wandered out and saw a table outside, completely empty. Shrugged and wandered back towards my car. Owner (muzzled, of course) rushed out and said in a panicky voice “There’s a table there, just wait a minute!” I shook my head.
“I perfectly understand, you’ve made your decision and you are perfectly entitled to do so, I’ll find somewhere else.” Then in a much louder voice “That’s perfectly OK, you’ve made your decision”. Then walked off.
A few more of those and we’ll see who cracks first; me with my money still in my pocket, or them wanting my business.
THey may say that, but when I went in Bimba y Lola and demanded to buy a handbag without wearing a mask (told them I was exempt), they backed down. It was probably their only sale of the day, given it was dead quiet on South Molton St.
I am also a bossy looking middle aged woman, and it was staffed by early 20s people. So there is that.
Well done you. You must have scared them and they probably know that deep down they haven’t got a leg to stand on not to mention the “no mask no sale” diktat would mean no sale and the end of their jobs.
I love to reply “Well, [pause] you do understand that in the end, you have to make enough sales to cover your wages, don’t you?”
The only place I’ve seen that mentions exemptions on the main signage is Iceland, it’s in small print right at the bottom, but it is there.
There are plenty of others. Both on the tube and at our local train station the announcements say ‘must wear a mask unless you are exempt’ and plenty of the TFL posters do as well. We need to get the message out.
(Engage big smile) “Exempt” (Walk on in).
FYI
Nick Abbot on LBC has been absolutely excellent regarding Covid recently (i.e. sceptical) – unlike almost all other presenters on that station. Tonight he quoted Peter Hitchens at length and with approval.
He is on Friday, Saturday and Sunday 10pm to 1am. Listen again and podcasts available.
Jeremy Vine is also going that way publicly, not that anyone believes me
.
I feel the same. Not one of my ‘friends’ can even be bothered to look at the Ivor Cummins presentation. They don’t even want to look at anything that is contrary to what they have been brainwashed into believing. I am beyond hope now and seemingly have no friends left. Except patronising ones who think I have gone mad.
We’re all mates on here, CGL.
Indeed. It’s the sunk cost fallacy in operation I am afraid – we’ve invested so much, if we stop now it will all have been for nothing.
Also some measure of psychological self-preservation. They probably know there might well be an awful truth waiting for them, which they would rather not face.
Same here…apparently one of my so called close friends (best man at my fucking wedding) has messaged my wife on the down low, to tell her I have been posting anti-mask stuff on my social media and that my friends are worried that I have had ” a mental breakdown” and maybe need help…My wife was so shocked that even she lost her temper and I guess now I have no friends anymore…I hate this shit and the brainwashing that has torn communities and families apart..There will be a day of reckoning for all these scumbags or I and the people here will be in rounded up in camp somewhere
What?!!! Even the goons advising the government have said that at best masks make a marginal difference. I think it’s your friends whose mental stability has been badly affected by the fear porn.
”Friend’ will mean something different.
Like ‘safe’.
May be for the better.
That is awful. Still, if this hadn’t happened you would never have known what a scumbag your “best” man really was …
Ditto CGL. I watched Ivor’s video with with my kids. They can see what is going on.
P’s. I’ll be your friend…
Aah thank you.
On the bright side, more and more in the MSM and politics are waking up to the fact that, as a country, we called this one wrong. Eventually, the zealots will have no choice, the tide has turned and is running our way.
We can’t get our kids or their partners to watch either Ivor Cummins or Dave Cullen. It seems a clear explanation of what is going on is a step too far for them. They only believe what Facebook tells them and they prefer to think it’s all just ‘stupid’ or ‘idiotic’ when the latest tyranny hits and it puts their plans out. We will keep trying though…. MW
Hi Miriam-sometimes-AlanAG.
Thanks for your length and interesting reply to a post of mine yesterday. I was subsequently offline for 18 hours so was unable to respond which might have appeared impolite.
btw, I grew being able to see Thorp Cloud from my bedroom window, not quite High Peak but close enough.
Hi, Karenovirus, I didn’t think you were impolite at all – life goes on (somehow) so I thought you’d got better things to do!
Sorry my reply was a ramble as usual and I’m glad you got your connection back. I thought your point was important i.e. that people are getting accustomed to the restrictions – masks and all – and it’s very worrying.
As AG said to me as we walked home from a depressingly mask-ridden trip to our local Morrisons today – the worst so far, ‘This really is the New Normal – we’re in it, aren’t we? What will ever convince people that it’s safe to go without masks? The insane idea of ‘Zero Covid’? the questionable vaccine? getting tested every single day?’ The conversation turned to how we would dodge the tests and the vaccine when the time comes.
It’s hard to see a way out of this when people seem almost to welcome their oppression, something I believe is called Stockholm Syndrome. It was a lovely day anyway and, although sadly, we can’t see Thorp Cloud, we have fine views of Kinder and some other landmarks and, when the local bus passed us before we headed for the fields, the lone elderly woman on it wasn’t wearing a mask, bless her. Oh and a couple of school kids walked past us, one coughing his head off – Dive, dive, dive!!! MW
So called intelligent friends of mine are the same, they want bite sized chunks of easily digestible info, yet still follow the party line
We are your friends.
Hopefully but he is still an odious prick
I believe you, it’s just that Vine is untrustworthy given his background of opinion guiding programming. Woukd not surprise me if he’s on a mission to capture free thinkers by lasso and then start on about having a vaccine just a little one just for your own good, etc. Nothing to trust in certain bbc employees.
Other than that good luck to him if his message is geniune and remains so.
At the beginning of lockdown there was Outrage in the press about 9,000 Londoners Invading ( I think) Brockwell Park.
JV crunched the numbers on air and came up with 1 person per Acre per daylight hour.
“Hardly an invasion” he concluded.
He can have the first jab.
Sweden/Switzerland/Germany/France Mortality Deaths Per Months 1980-2020: No Pandemic
Graphs here:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1282030657062002690.html
The United States is in free fall. This was occurring long before Covid Mania was engineered but now it is moving with great velocity.
The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Here in 2019 the crisis began to unravel again. There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.
So by the time the “Corona virus” magically appeared in 2020 the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.
The “Corona virus” has proven to be very useful by political leaders to mask what was going on- that’s why it was invented. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for it is absolutely extraordinary.
This is fascinating do you have any more references?
Great charts, but I already know what the reply will be if I try to argue with them: “tHaT’s BeCaUsE wE lOcKeD dOwN tHiS tImE”.
I heard the same thing. Which was that the coronavirus is a cover for financial collapse, that the banks will be recapitalised as far as possible on all the bankruptcies that will follow lockdown.
It is bound to be about money – what else could it be.
Our government is also completing the process by extracting any remaining assets from the country under the guise of Moonshot testing and sending it to their cronies. We will have nothing left once this is over and the elite will have taken everything.
Here is a link to explain the bank crisis last september
https://www.cadtm.org/Another-look-at-the-Federal-Reserve-s-panic-in-September-2019-and-solutions-to
https://www.cadtm.org/The-Credit-Crunch-is-Back-and-the-Federal-Reserve-Panics-on-an-Ocean-of-Debt
https://www.cadtm.org/No-the-coronavirus-is-not-responsible-for-the-fall-of-stock-prices
Good stuff in there.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/14/zero-covid-makes-zero-sense/
Spiked
Read that earlier, similar piece in the Speccy. Doesn’t say much that we don’t already know but the more columns like that the better.
Agreed: ‘from little acorns oak trees grow’,so let’s hope that a veritable forest of dissent will shoot up before free thinking, rationality , mature personal responsibility and acceptance of risk are chucked into the lost and found, never to be seen again.
Zero covid makes zero sense but that’s precise what appeals to DELVING devi. Masked hamsters makeno sense to but DELVING devi swears by them. There’s something consistent about DELVING devi.
I am now scared for my young children’s future. The scenes from Melbourne, Australia are too raw.
A defining moment in my life was when, as a young boy, my father took me to one of the concentration camp museums in Germany. The gas chambers were still in place along with the fences and the whole infrastructure of the holocaust including piles of harvested gold teeth and photographs. The place still smelled of death 15 years after it was closed. My father said to me “you see this, its horrifying, but I warn you it can happen again”. I did not believe him at the time but throghout my life I have seen genocides happen again and again. He was right.
Genocides are carried out by ordinary people whose minds have been twisted by hate. They see no logic or reason, they do not question why they are carrying out these atrocities against people who just a little while ago were friends and neighbours, they just act on their instilled hatred. The majority in conservative Melbourne who have drunk the coronavirus cool aid clearly now hate the protesters on the streets and have deployed the whole apparatus of the state to subdue them. These protestors are seen as filth who are endangering the rest and as such they deserve no rights as humans.
In the UK, divisions are already appearing. Divisions between Scotland and England, divisions between mask wearers and those who choose not to, the government encouaged snitchers, the deployment of covid wardens, the targeted arrests of protesting dissenters all serves to create hatred between two groups.
I have often wriiten light hearted bits and pieces when I have had a bit too much sauce but my main thrust has always been try and show the madness of all this by discussing here and with friends how, from the very beginning, the statistics did not back up any of the reasons for the draconian lockdowns and other actions taken by government. I thought that the works of spectaculary intelligent minds like Prof. Heneghan, Ivor Cummins, the gentleman who wrote the piece on PCR testing above the line here yesterday would convince people that all of these actions were a mistake and we should all just accept this little glitch in our lives and return to normal.
As far as I can see none of this solid reasearch and data has been taken up by the media (because presumably they have drunk the cool aid too). Even Ivor Cummins brilliant explainer has only been viewed half a million times, likely by the 1% or so of the population (us) who already see the reality.
I now think that I was (am) naive. Most people are convinced, and it is almost impossible to deconvince them. Society has been divided between the believers who are by far the majority and who now hate the non believers. The ingredients are in place for a catastrophe.
In my region of the world, people who are political opponents or other undesirables in Central America are being rounded up and imprisoned in inhuman conditions in the name of being ‘quarantined’ because of the virus. Totalitarian governments worldwide are taking advantage of the WHO driven situation. Smaller governments like mine are being coerced by the World Bank and the IMF to take loans with conditions applied that we should do even more draconian lockdowns, curfews. and further removal of our citizens rights.
This is looking like Naziism but on a global scale. I hope that I am wrong and, when my hangover has cleared in the morning, common sense has prevailed on Planet Earth.
I couldn’t agree more. The shift to totalitarianism, and the desire for it by the majority, is the scariest thing about this. On another note, the BBC did have a couple of pieces about the environmental damage the enforced mask wearing is doing – another catastrophic unintended consequence – and again those normally piously concerned about the environment seem not to give a toss…it’s the most bizarre collective insanity in the history of mankind, and it’s unlikely to end well….
You write beautifully for someone who has been drinking! I wish I could disagree with your analysis, but being of Jewish descent I know fascism when I see it. I was never naive and saw this for the debacle it has turned out to be right from the beginning. I was hoping to be wrong and that people would wake up, but no amount of data or rational appeal is getting through to the hysterical masses. World governments, who stoked the fear in the first place now can’t put the genie back into the bottle and so double down on stupidity and destruction. It’s going to be a long winter.
I grew up sort of fearing intolerance coming from the Left, internally or externally, now I see it coming from the Middle which is bizarre.
There are no divisions between Scots and English, just Sturgeon creating political divides in her pursuit of Scottish independence, which to be fair, is central to her manifesto.
The targeted arrest of 70 year old dissenters and the rash of videos showing police roughly treating ordinary members of the public will backfire on our governments, far from cowering the response will be to increase our outrage.
Journalists have drunk from the trough of government advertising and it is not in their interests to downplay the Covid and blame all the bad stuff on it rather than lockdown.
I talk to lots of people every day and it’s clear that more and more if them understand that at least some of lockdown is absurd, yet still they comply. Sheepwalking (word !) towards tyranny perhaps.
Towards the proverbial gas chambers in truth Karen. Wake up people!!
Sheeple
Being of Asian ancestry where the culture is essentially authoritarian and born and grew up in a country that was in thrall of a dictatorship for 20 years, I had a feeling that this was going to happen from the word go and looks like I wasn’t wrong.
You wonderful post sums up the tragedy we are facing now and while it despairs me to see young people especially millenials cave in without so much of a whimper what really saddens and angers me is how many of the boomers those who were born not long after WW2 ended are some of the biggest cheerleaders of these draconian policies all in the name of “health” and “safety.” Which begs the question – Why? What’s in it for them?
Rather than admit that they were wrong, governments around the world double down their stupidity by even more insane and draconian means. I can say that this won’t end well as more and more people realise that they will have nothing to lose by protests, riots and unrest.
The governments will reap what they sow.
Quarantine tags are being used in Western Australia. Exactly tge same as criminal tags but quaratine. Search if you want to read about them.
They’ve also been installing CCTV cameras watching the homes of people who are being held hostage by the government psychosis surrounding positive tests.
I wish I could say that you are wrong Bob. But I cannot. All I can say with any certainty is that you have underestimated the problems that we now face.
I agree with you. The only possible positive outcome is that as it becomes increasingly evident what it happening, people will wake up in unprecedented numbers. It is starting to happen, whether it will happen quickly enough I don’t know.
Last week my wife told me that the only place she feels safe now is at home,not because of any virus or so-called pandemic but because of the growing sense of menace she feels in every public place.
She is the only unmasked person in 90% of the shops she goes into and the snide comments and dirty looks she receives have increased hugely in the past couple of weeks.
She said it feels like we’re almost at the point when masked zealots are going turn violent and no-one will do anything to stop them.
You are right,this is looking like Nazism,with the state using a fully brainwashed,compliant and frightened population to do their bidding.
I feel it everyday while riding the bus. My allotment feels safe, but only because I avoid conversations with the other allotment holders. I’ve overheard things that make my blood run cold. I feel like I have to hide my scepticism there for fear of losing the only thing that makes my life worth living.
Have the lunatics taken over the asylum?
Well, that is a depressing start to the week. Meanwhile, in the US, things (minus the idiotic masks) are starting to feel a bit more normal. I think people are tiring of this. Maybe they will finally revolt…
I’m counting on freedom loving Americans to get us out of this! The Canadian sheeple just keep begging for more “safety” in exchange for civil liberties. Please lock me down nanny state and pay me to stay home and watch Netflix, and please force all those covidiots to wear a mask so that I’ll feel better when I come out from under my bed to venture outside. I used to feel so lucky to have been born here. Now I wish I were Swedish.
Sit down and watch a few episodes of
‘The Forest Rangers’ Lisa to remind you how proper Canadians should behave.
Not from the people I know there unfortunately. A whole flock of sheep.
We need thousands of sheep dogs. They can herd all the muzzled muttons to another part of the world far away from the rest of us.
I sometimes wonder if the reason I insist on using my mask exemption is because I’m American (I’ve lived in the UK for decades). I look around me at all the mask zombies and wonder if they’re wearing their masks because they’re English – and I’m not. We do have a rebellious spirit, although I still fear the potential civil war coming in the US.
Looks from a far that Manhattan is wrecked. Best resistence in that city is dancing in Union(?) Square, you done know who you’re going to meeter there, you gotta run run run run run take a drag or two.
So much business empty and boarded up. U-haul vans fully booked with people leaving the city. Night time street saftey gone. Looks on the very bleak side of things from a far.
Yes saw a report recently that suggested 2/3 of all eating establishments could be permanently shut, in the near future…crime of course is soaring thanks to Hollywood luvvies like Mark Ruffalo demanding $1 billion cuts to NYPD budget – well they got it alright. Interview recently with a couple of Sopranos actors; Michael Imperioli & Steve Schirripa, where they tore into the Mayor and pointed out the devastation… On the flip side, I saw on TV that Governor Cuomo did a press junket where he promised to cook a dinner for New Yorkers who had left town, if they came back. So yes, unfortunately, the city is spiralling out of control, but a few people might get a steak meal. That’ll turn it around.
But no after dinner cigars.
Seattle and Portland going the same way. See how antifa/blm* fare once the ‘middle classes’ flee with their taxable incomes.
* Lower case thank you auto correct.
A comment on Dr Kendrick’s excellent blog introduced me to a new word: nosophobia.
“Nosophobia is the extreme or irrational fear of developing a disease. This specific phobia is sometimes simply known as disease phobia.
You might also hear it referred to as medical students’ disease. This name stems from previous assumptions that nosophobia tends to mostly affect medical students surrounded by information about different diseases. But some 2014 evidence lends less support to this idea.
It’s common to feel some anxiety when serious health conditions spread through your community. But for people with nosophobia, this anxiety can be overwhelming, affecting their everyday life.”
https://www.healthline.com/health/nosophobia
There’s our pandemic.
Does that cover borisphobia ?
Don’t think so, that fear is not irrational.
It’s not so much fear, more like anxiety about what nonsense he’ll come up with next.
Cows spread the Covid so countryside out of bounds ?
I am waiting for the announcement on the “necessary” cull of domestic cats. THAT will be the tipping point, when it looks like Tibbles is going to get it.
(I love cats, we have a cat, I don’t want a cull…but all the articles on cats with corona have got me thinking)
There was some talk about that early into lockdown when it was reported that a tiger at Wuhan zoo had got the Covid from its keepers.
Anxiety and fear are the same thing.
I think anxiety focuses on something that could happen in the future.
Fear is of something right in front of you, like a lion.
Watch CNN, their news programs are laced with adverts for the latest miracle drugs. Pfizer spends billions on advertising every year.
There was a pharmaceutical company in Quebec, Valeant. Really crooked. Bought out companies and raised the prices 200 to 300 percent. Didn’t need R&D.
Spot on! Having suffered truly dire side effects from a number of widely prescribed drugs, and having subsequently had the comparative good fortune to sort myself out with the aid of dietary changes and extensive research, I would caution folk to think carefully before asking for prescriptions: witness the widespread overuse of antibiotics and the inevitable consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5780&v=F8uradn98Ls&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=ParentsForHealthcareRights
Note the article on the EU and living with the virus. No surprise in the statement that even if a successful vaccine is found, we will still need to be careful. So that’s it … according to that statement, we can assume no return to normal human and social interaction is the long term intention, businesses and economy to remain in ruins. So what’s the point of the rush for a vaccine, if by this logic it does not impact on the virus spread, and secondly can we rethink the idea that government’s actions are completely down to fear, incompetence and hole digging, there is too much emerging evidence to challenge this imho. The comment by BobT about monetary bribes by the IMF for lockdowns to be maintained similarly that Belarus was offered 750 million to impose a lockdown, but refused – these examples alone should prompt questions besides the many examples highlighted in comments and links on this sight.
I am still astounded by the limited scale of negative press coverage on Melbourne. Remember Hong Kong demos and the umbrellas, about 4 years ago, wall to wall media coverage for weeks, and now this, in a supposed established democracy, and it is almost background noise in msm. Not sure about the BBC, as it is banned in our household, by majority consent of course.
I’m going to start learning Swedish.
Why aren’t Amnesty International and the Red Cross going against Kim Jong Dan? I’m starting to fear that all these organisations have decided that human rights only matter when the person abusing them is someone that The Guardian doesn’t like.
As previously posted, the teenagers at The College have decided that both face nappies and social distancing are uncool so I’d like to know what the Police are going to do about it as 2k of them arrive to go into any of a dozen nearby buildings.
They arrive by bus, from two train stations or on foot from all directions so, unlike going into a Nite Spot or football ground, they cannot but avoid crossing paths en mass.
Most will be more interested in chatting with their friends than worrying about more stupid lockdown rules.
Same will occur as they move between buildings when they change classes, lunchtime when they swarm s local park* and local takeaways/sandwich bars and once against Hometime (not a word I’ve used in some decades).
See some soppy Covid Marshal shouting
“Come on boys and girls, groups no longer than six . . .:
*said park was a burial ground for a proper epidemic of Cholera 19C but not alit of people know that.
Three loud cheers for the college kids.
From someone plenty old enough to be their grannie.
Drove past a load of teenagers crammed together waiting for the bus this morning. Out of a huge group only a couple of oddballs wearing masks. Very nice to see!
Then popped into Tesco Express to find I was the only unmuzzled shopper… brought back down to Earth with a crash!
I made a point of being near The College 08.45.
It was as though the Rule of 6 ‘law’ had not come into force this morning. The students behaved exactly the same as last week. Perhaps 1 in a hundred wore a mask, not cold shouldered by their peers but comfortable within groups, perhaps they are now the brave ones. More likely they have a condition that makes wearing advisable and their friends accept that.
I avoid the convenience store near The Collegel as it’s always full of bloody students but I pulled up over the road to observe.
As each of 8 or 9 went into the shop they put on their mask as they waited in the queue then whipped it off before reaching the exit threshold and slipping it into their back pocket.
They do not want to be seen on the streets in a mask and, of course, they were pushing and shoving each other as they passed through the door, as teenagers do.
Great. Which college, Karen ? Would like to congratulate them somehow, if poss.
Probably the same at one near you
The university near me is the opposite. Masks everywhere. I have yet to see an unmasked student near it and I go to their bus station every day.
I have explained this in an earlier post. College students arrive in life-long friendship groups so they can rely on backup in the event of confrontation.
Uni students will arrive as singletons having spent 6 months cooped up far away at home. Conformity may appear the sensible option.
Tsunami!
Public Health Zealots are a menace to the health of human society.
You are getting it! Public Health is the new force of our times being used to shape our future. Matters and extinction are mere pups compated to the intended social change intended to be brought down upon us via Public Health. Years in the seeding of the profession.
Does anyone have a copy of the welsh government’s previous advice on mask wearing that stated that the scientific evidence for their use is weak? I foolishly did not save a copy and low and behold today when they mandate them this paragraph seems to have been removed from their guidelines.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200803074432/https://gov.wales/face-coverings-frequently-asked-questions
Matt Hancock seems particularly impressed with anything that destroys our freedom.
The peculiar Covid logic where the Virus carries a clock and a tape measure and will not infect anyone in a pub before 10pm, but will swoop once the clock strikes 10.
The virus has also mutated into something that only strike people if they are in groups of 7 or more, but only if they know each other. In England it counts children in these groups, in Scotland and Wales is spares the child.
It also spares people at work in groups of 7 or more, coroni respects work ethic and understands that people have bills to pay. It really doesn’t like shoppers but is a big Sunday league football fan.
Hancock is a Dolt.
Is it because the virus appears to be smarter than dear old Matt?
Must be humiliating for him.
One is a piece of half-alive organic detritus, with no known thinking apparatus. The other is (allegedly) a virus.
You’re average brick wall is smarter than Hancock. Talking of brick walls…
The group of six rule seems a bit like an attempt at a neutron bomb – make it look like you are doing something without affecting the economy. Of course we know it will affect the economy as far as hospitality goes (less people will go to the pub), but prohibiting private socialising is economy-neutral and all it does is push us further towards a situation where people’s interactions are all in regulated, organised contexts where there is the opportunity for more state intervention and control – a bit like how the Nazis forced civil organisations to sign up to their agenda.
Back in the day politicians told us that the Neutron bomb was more humane because it only killed people.
Wasn’t that one of those huge cold war projects that absorbed masses of tax money but never achieved a result? Like lockdown I suppose, only less destructive to private enterprise.
Had that conversation with three people this morning, how the Covid sneaks out at 10pm to get us, caused a few giggles.
Authoritarian regimes that make themselves the butt of jokes never do well.
Like Dracula.
Fantastic article. My daily dose of sanity, thank you.
The Omnibus Party… really like that, and all of Hugh’s reasoning.
Absolutely, pragmatism and a reversal from the current ‘clusterfuck’, I’m in…….
Just don’t put £300k to the NHS on the side of it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/13/gps-told-give-patients-face-to-face-appointments-investigated/
“Health chiefs have warned GPs that failure to offer appointments in person is a “breach of contract” and may heap pressure on Accident and Emergency departments.”
Is the tide beginning to turn?
I was surprised at the widespread cowardice of GP’s
I once regarded them as the best people in our society
Life is full of disappointments
Look at that survey of 8,000 Doctors today, 63% do not think the backlog of care is a priority. This to me is very concerning that two thirds of them basically are just happy for people to die.
I think that is the Core problem with an NHS.
The GPs see themselves as dispensers of care to supplicants who beg for treatment, the GP may or may not give treatment if they feel like it.
This attitude problem does not exist in more effective health care systems such as Germany,Austria, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan etc etc.
Its observed behaviour, if you watch what they do, not say, but actually do, that tells you what most Drs think of the taxpaying public.
Gormless Prats.
As they are on the “frontline”, and seeing firsthand that the virus is barely a threat to the young or healthy, this cowardice is even more shameful.
BBC 07.30 R2 News
BMA survey of X,000 doctors”, 87% of them expect Second Wave sometime in the next 6 months.:
I try to avoid saying “you couldn’t make it up.”
“6 months” is depressing. Realistically, if there were going to be a second wave, it would be in the autumn, that being the seasonality of coronaviruses. 6 months implies that if it doesn’t happen in the autumn, we’ll just have to remain oppressed through the early spring, just in case.
They’ve been expecting it for the last six months as well.
The Second Coming us postponed.
I hadn’t thought of that analogy, Neil Ferguson as the head of an apocalyptic cult. The zealots have been so obsessed with a second wave, even before the first began, every time their predictions are ludicrously wrong they say “oh it’ll be here soon”.
And then another 6 months after that. Once you’ve started lying and no-one is noticing, you just carry on.
It means that 6 months is the minimum they think they can keep this charade going.
They are looking to extend it by two years. Tell your MP to stop them.
It depends what they mean by a second wave. Waves come in all sizes. Ask a surfer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDb303T-B1w
Beach Boys Surfin’ USA
In areas like North Devon where I live there has been so little Covid19 that we have not really had a first wave which is why much of the local population believe we will get our first wave this autumn.
Precsiely. There’s a load of mush being spouted by the likes of Professor Sunetra Gupta who claim we have achieved or are near to achieving Herd Immunity. We aren’t. There are still large swathes of the country that have had little exposure.
Either that or most of the country had T cell immunity to start with, 30% got an asymptomatic infection and the remainder got a wee sniffle they barely noticed.
Oh I see. By a remarkable coincidence everyone in Devon had T Cell immunity.
Err … No I don’t think so. In any case actual SYMPTOMATIC cases are increasing rapidly according to the Covid Symptom study. Numbers are up from 18k on Aug 25th to 45k on Sep 12th. (+150%)
Are you sure those are symptomatic COVID cases, or just symptom reports of ordinary winter cold and flu starting to emerge in autumn?
The virus has spread from John o Groats to lands end i think it’s safe to say it’s been thru the entire country
And every whisky distillery as well.
We’re pretty sure that 15%, perhaps a LOT more, have had covid. Depends which model of herd immunity you think is most plasuible, but some say it can take hold between 10 and 20%, by recognising that unlike vaccine induced herd immunity (scattered at random in the population) naturally induced immunity fills up the kinds of interpersonal paths in the social web that the virus would try to follow. Or if some of the “epidemiological dark matter” hypotheses hold, which rely on a fair proportion of the population being non-infectable (we know that previous exposure to some coronaviruses can induce this for some people for a reasonable length of time), the herd immunity threshold is also well below the very high 60 or so % which crude models assume. I couldn’t say with certainty either way whether we’re at herd immunity yet, but the fact that, with all the mingling over summer, deaths and hospital admissions haven’t risen certainly implies we are heading in that direction (rising cases can be largely discounted as testing capacity keeps shoooting up and as deaths occur as a proportion of infected cases the fact we’re seeing so few means that the number being infected now must be much lower than in spring, we just weren’t testing much back then).
The survey was for 8000 doctors (no indication of grade of doctor, could be FY1 or FY2 newly qualified) AND medical students.
Yes, posted in haste on the move, they did say it included medical students who are bedwetters in normal times due to the nature of their studies.
Shocking!!! Sadly most doctors are clueless about health.
Why don’t they know that? Isn’t it part of their medical education?
These are the same people who learned that a low fat diet was healthy. It’s not.
Two or three years ago, when my local GP surgery was working as it should, I was advised my vitamin D level was low, was prescribed a strong booster and then recommended to take daily over-the counter supplement. I wasn’t very diligent, just taking supplements sporadically in winter. Figured I got quite a bit from sunshine most of the year.
One once tried to give me antibiotics for a viral infection.
Roy Lilly is the guest is right now, and he’s just stated that “the absence of evidence doesn’t mean there isn’t any evidence”. I think I’ll just go back to bed and hope to wake up again to find I not living in an alternative, manufactured reality.
Imagine that statement being made by a judge in a court of law.
Quite, Annie. Though we don’t just have to imagine. We have endless examples of that card being played in repressive regimes around the world now and in history.
… or even by Trump at a rally, debate, or something, against a Democrat!
Both sides should be very careful what they wish for.
The saying is, “Absence of proof is not proof of absence”. Which is a truism.
“the absence of evidence doesn’t mean there isn’t any evidence”.
Yes it does you bloody fool
i dont have evidence that you are a tosser, but all the same you are a tosser
Me?
no…. not at all ,,, just expanding on your saying … and applicable to this Lilly guy referred to earlier ..
WTF??!! The absence of a large zit on your nose doesn’t mean you don’t actually have a large zit on your nose…
It’s a corruption of an old maxim – the absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. Although, of course, the correct quote wouldn’t really help in this instance.
“absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence”, although if you’ve been looking PROPERLY for the evidence and not found it then it certainly hints at absence.
Who?! pea brain
Wonder how that would hold up in court if the police started arresting people on that basis.
Taken as true by the same kind of so-called “independent” member of the judiciary who threw out Dolan’s first attempt at a case.
Tariq Ali (?) Said just that in Tom Hollands* excellent documentary exploring the lack of historical evidence surrounding the birth of Islam.
* the historian not the singer.
Just to let you know that funerals are exempt from the six business. I know as I’m going to attend one this week and there are more than six.
Just posting this again:
Does anyone have a copy of the welsh government’s previous advice on mask wearing that stated that the scientific evidence for their use is weak? I foolishly did not save a copy and low and behold today when they mandate them this paragraph seems to have been removed from their guidelines.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200803074432/https://gov.wales/face-coverings-frequently-asked-questions
Thanks skipper! I can’t seem to open the page though!
Odd, it opened for me.
Yeah, it’s odd. It won’t open on my phone or my computer!
Works on eveything I’m using. Maybe Drakeford is blocking you!
Thanks Stefarm. This is the bit that I needed. They’ve removed this now!
Distancing is pretty much out of the window most places I go. Masks make people complacent.
Daily Mail: Dr JOHN LEE says coronavirus lockdown could cause more long-term harm than the illness itself.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8728845/Dr-JOHN-LEE-argues-coronavirus-lockdown-cause-long-term-harm-illness-itself.html
I think he said much the same in April 2020. On Delingpole, Richie Allen. Maybe both. Prescient. Ahead of his time. Shunned and ignored by most other media outlets.
The BMA survey predicting a a second wave also has a quite damning statistics which is when polled only 37% of Doctors believe that the “Prioritisation of patients waiting for care and clearing the backlog” is the top priority over the next year.
So 63% of Doctors don’t really give a toss about treating those with cancer, operations and other treatment.
It it bred into them at doctor training factory or do all humans have those same feelings of who-gives-a-****-not-me-guv-as-long-as-I-live-in-luxury-95%-of-the-world’s-population-can-only-dream-about-I’m-all-right-jack?
All the polls that involved them being safer and better protected were all 60% in their favour, so look after themselves rather than those who they should be caring for.
Rockefeller bought the medical departments of universities, banished natural medicine and replaced it with expensive oil-based treatments that never cure anything. Doctors just work to mental check lists – symptom S use drug D.
It’s my view that waiting lists have been cancelled because newly diagnosed patients are getting hospital appointments almost immediately.
The lead “Round-up” link above is:-
>>>“Millions at greatest risk from coronavirus may be told to stay at home again” – Government prepares to advise the vulnerable to stay at home for the entire winter and not see anyone.<<<
But ’tis behind a paywall.
What I’d like to know is:- Is this going to be an extra restriction? – or is the plan to impose this restriction and lift all others? (masks, social distancing and “rule of six” etc.)
I’ve used the words “impose” and “restriction”. Above the words “told” and “advise” have been used which aren’t compatible. Which is it to be? Does anyone know? Indeed do they know? (whoever be they).
I’m sure ‘they’ haven’t a clue. The article states that there will not be blanket advice for an age group, but those most seriously at risk (whatever that means) due to multiple vulnerabilities, amongst which age might be one, will be written to with advice about protecting themselves. At the moment the language is not suggesting imposition or enforcement.
I imagine that it will be in addition to other measures. After all more is always better isn’t it? We can’t have people feeling hopeful or expecting proportionality and fairness-where would that end?
Much thanks for that reply.
I’m in my seventies. I haven’t made any sacrifices in the ‘battle’ against the virus. Many would see me as supporting the enemy. I enter shops and ride on busses without a mask, insist on walking down the high street the way I want, and when in Ireland I didn’t “caccoon” at all, at all, as they called it over there.
But, as an oldie as a ‘vulnerable’ I’d accept the government insisting on such as myself becoming hermits for three months (save for getting out on my push bike and going for a plod) so herd immunity can develop – and not seeing anyone – making sure we never got within 20 yards of anyone – and never entering another building but where we lived – and putting up with getting the wrong supply of vittles – IF, as a quid pro quo, the government scrapped all other restrictions!
But the government’s not going to do that is it?
No. I’m a mere 54. And no matter what, I’m not accepting any more restrictions, ever.
Hello Nick and Julian,
Thank you for your responses
I suppose I just feel guilty that I’ve not in any way made any sacrifices – though I’ve had plenty imposed on me.
The essential words in what I’ve written above are “quid pro quo”.
But this is not an offer that the government is going to make or seek. We’re just going to keep buggering on until the government decides to tell everyone to look to their own defences – much as the Romans told the Britons in 410 was it? Oh, for such a government now!
Only after the vaccine has been injected into everyone (but themselves).
It’s very noble of you, but I don’t see why you should accept any restrictions. It should be up to the individual. Otherwise why not make smoking, drinking, overeating, etc, illegal?
Last time it was just guidance, though often framed as if it was law by government and media, quite deliberately I am sure.
I believe Lord Sumption said that under the law they are basing their authority upon they do not have the power to force healthy people to quarantine. Or perhaps I misunderstood.
This is going to be a never ending story for sure
Until we win yes.
Hitler could not deal with bad news from his generals, so they stopped telling him
That was fine in 39,40,41 and most of 42
Even as the Soviets were at the gates of Berlin his generals were showing him on maps that they could move this division or that division here or there
In reality the troops had left the battlefield
The ‘generals’ and their underling will be monitoring this site and sites like it. They will know the game is up and it’s only a matter of time. They are still at the ‘just following orders stage’
I’m reminded of the downfall of Ceausescu . There he was on the balcony, the crowd were clapping and cheering. In a moment they started booing. It was the moment Ceausescu’s delusions came face to face with reality
https://youtu.be/t6pvMFfQF50
This dictators introduction to reality will come soon enough
I was told once that Adolf shot a high proportion of his generals. I don’t know if that is true.
Some of them, especially after the July Plot of 1944, when Adolf lost the plot.
Except for Rommel who was too popular, he got given the suicide option and his family got to keep their estate, better option than the meat hook that most got.
Can’t see a Rommel in johnsons mob.
What happened next to Ceausescu, Cecil ?
Not sure, think he was given a life peerage, and a couple of directorships
Meh. You were meant to describe his sticky end, and I would have replied “Yes I know, I just like hearing it repeated”.
Bags first go with the AK-47.
I’ve been fantasising about turning up at a “photo opportunity ” (fat chance!) of bozo or whoever and starting the booing
You need to get out more……Ooooops sorry your not allowed out
How will we get back all the wealth that has been stolen since this fraud began?
BBC R4 News 08.00.
Chair of National Police (?) Council Martin Hewitt twice avoided the question ” should members of the public phone the police if they see people breaking the new rules”.
He did suggest that mops talk to rule breakers and that all people should “take responsibility “. Not quite as bad as Dicks call to shame the maskless.
Followed by a good interview with Lord Sumption who again advocated people taking responsibility but in terms of making their own decisions about self isolating.
Q. “Would you advocate people breaking the new laws ?”
LS ” I would advise them to regard the new laws as being of seconddary importance. “.
Excellent interview (Lord Sumption that is). A shining light of common sense in the darkness. I was going to post this but you beat me to it.
sorry TJN, you could have expanded on my post, he said a great deal more but I was in a hurry and
Probably not so much a hurry as I was!
Sumption has long said that when a law is folly, it’s the citizens’ moral duty to ignore it.
He should be given back his old job, then preside over Dolan’s case, and after that preside over Johnson and Hancock’s trial for crimes against humanity.
I’m not going to be told how to behave by some fucking mop !
http://www.npcc.police.uk
The National Police Chiefs Council
Soz, was posting ‘live’ at the time.
I have been taking part in a discussion on LinkedIn for a month now and have vigorously stated my belief that masks are useless and the whole Covid response is a gross overreaction. I’ve face crude personal insults, accusations and threats from other subscribers. I’ve not faced any sanctions from LinkedIn (yet) but it had crossed my mind that I could, if it happened I would not be surprised.
I had to deal with a self appointed Gauleiter and the jobsworth steward, getting a flight to Croatia Recently. While queuing for the bag drop, one of the types that seem to think mountaineering attire is perfect for an airport, accosted me and my wife, for the heinous crime of being sans muzzle. Shouting across, she demanded we put masks on.
I asked her when was she voted in as my governor? I told her I must have missed that vote, but as an asthmatic, I don’t have to wear one. With a flourish I waved my inhaler in her direction. She saw my wife was wearing an exemption badge, so moved on to others in the line.
Then, on boarding the plane, jobsworth was primed and ready to go as soon as I walked on. I waved my inhaler at him as he demanded I wear a mask. He then insisted I show him a letter from my doctor. I now know this to be rubbish, but didn’t then. After a heated debate, Mr Pilot got involved, so I could see my holiday disappearing.
I conformed until in the air, then pulled it beneath my chin.
on the flight home I took the precautions of taking two tubes of Pringles and a bottle of water.
They’ll be the first thing in my travel bag from now on.
The Government consultation on the vaccine is to be found here:
https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/5f43b8aca0980b6fc0198f9f
SAGE scientist Professor Sir Mark Walport warns that the UK is “on the edge of losing control”…..of the narrative.
Any link please?
Tha nice Mr Gove denied that only yesterday, cuh!
Sir Stir the Pot Mark Walport.
Sorry to hear. Speaking for myself, I’m very close to considering alternative methods of protest. I’ve had enough too.
Edit: Conducting sorry, not considering. Done the considering part.
Rallies at 12 noon, Trafalgar Square Sat 19th and Sat 26th September. I’ll be thinking of small businesses strangled by this nonsense at both. The first is disaffected medical people, but the second will hopefully build on the last rally on the 29th August
It’s always the way I’m afraid. They’re like the lesser-status dogs, standing behind the alphas and growling, ready to turn tail and flee if it all goes wrong.
Don’t worry about having to work, that’s the reason I go, lol. I don’t work Saturdays! So I’ll be standing there for you, and others who cannot attend.
Only a suggestion but can you invite people not to patronise your café? Point out to them it’s their choice and it’s your choice – if those are not compatible then there’s no sense in being a customer.
I know the reality is the bored human specimens want to cause trouble regardless, you won’t change them but you can achieve moral high ground.
Such businesses around here are quick to get in the local paper – perhaps you can take your business public to draw their venom.
In our family, they’re called the Number 2s and NR, you’re so right they’ll absolutely switch sides without a second glance.
What was being said about eastasia? Who put up those traitorous posters?
Does anyone have access to the number of tests carried out per day from March/April until now in France and Spain?
This info, for the UK at least, has a dramatic effect on the shape of the much-touted graphs and should demolish most of the current panic. It’s the ‘artefact of testing’ that has never been fully explained to the public.
”It’s the ‘artefact of testing’ that has never been fully explained to the public.”
yes – a point that has been made many many times already in here over the last months – so, in here, we are pretty much all on the same page on this one
I don’t know about Spain, but in France they were doing several thousand tests a week in March-April, mainly on people who were already seriously ill in hospital whereas now in September they are doing over a million tests a week in the general population. Even santé publique, a bedwetting organisation if ever there was one, points out that in March-April the number of what would now be defined as “cases” was probably far higher than they realised because tests were not being systematically carried out. https://www.linternaute.com/actualite/guide-vie-quotidienne/2489651-carte-coronavirus-en-chiffres-cas-deces-bilan-du-dimanche-13-septembre-2020/ If you go down the page there are lots of graphs.
How strange this world has become. You are being castigated because of your compassionate view to those who don’t wear face masks, yet a shop who are meant to be ethical close to me kick out disabled children and their parents for not wearing masks and are lauded on Facebook for their actions!
Society has gone completely crazy!
Just evil. We need a clearout.
Which shop, skipper ?
The business is called Sankara Imports. I’ll try and find the Facebook post and post it. They kicked out a young autistic boy about 7 years old and his mum because the boy wouldn’t wear a facemask.
Ta. Hope they go bust. Though they are quite possibly a front for opiate smuggling anyhow.
Ha! Just looked them up. Get this for hypocrisy! “Sankara Imports: Ethical and Fair Trade Imports with a Heart.”
You really cannot make this shit up.
https://www.sankaraimports.com
Yep – hypocrisy oozing out of their website.
Another one to boycott
what a load of woke tossers.. And what about the cultural appropriation .. ripping off people in India and Nepal to flog tat at inflated prices to gullible people..
I bet they are anti brexit, pro immigration, support XR and take the knee at any opportunity
Quote from the site “we are happy to be doing our part to slow the impact of this pandemic”
I’d like to think they won’t last that long but then again they seem to have majority support on Facebook.
Thrust a dagger in their heart.
https://www.facebook.com/SankaraImportsUK/
conversation is on 4th August so scroll down the comments
What lovely people they must be to want to mask anyone over 5 years old!
How will these people feel when when the science reveals they been taken for fools and you were right all along? I think there a strong chance of that happening.
A lot of people bought in to Blair’s WMD threat not that long ago. Those that did probably forgot they did. With this Covid scare a lot of people are going to find it very hard to forget they bought in to it.
P.s. – there is no obligation on you to enforce the law on face masks (if it is the law). If you are reported to the police they’ll doubtless not want to know.
I was one who bought into the WMD threat. Who bought into the Iraq War. I’m not proud of it. Events almost immediately after the invasion, the “missing” (ie non existent) WMD, proved I was wrong.
The important life lesson I learned is to NEVER believe what the government says without corroborating evidence or, even better, conclusive proof.
I learnt that lesson as well, only bloody well forgot it hence meekly locked myself and my family into my home and allowed my 80 year old mother to be isolated for 6 weeks. The time it took for the bloody penny to drop. Kicking myself.
But the penny did drop :o)) Welcome aboard!
Yes but I want those weeks and my claps for our NHS heroes back.
“If Time is a dimension, for us it is only one way,” he replied philosophically.
It’s a rich tapestry. This is one thread. Thanks for sharing your regret. It was a multi-£million/billion propaganda machine that kicked in without a starting pistol being fired. Give yourself a break. Perhaps the process of realisation proves you rightly question everything in due time.
There was never any good scientific evidence to support the government. The science has always been saying we have been taken for fools yet here we are. No amount of reason is going to change their minds – what they need is an end to the brainwashing and therapy to recover some sanity.
I’ll be reminding some people every day of their lives – selfies in masks, clapping outside our house, asking for my name in the pub. Wankers.
Janet Daley nailed it in the Sunday Telegraph, as per usual, everyone knows this whole business is a load of bollocks but are still, sort of, going along with it for a quiet life although they aren’t actually obeying any of the stupid, unenforceable rules.
In seven months not one successful prosecution in the courts for a breach of the corona virus regulations.
I’ll repeat it, not one
So why have the law if you are too scared to take anyone to court?
The economy – our liberty, our livelihoods and everything worth living for is being systematically destroyed without taking anybody to court. The law is clearly serving its purpose regardless.
Lord Sumption was useful on this. The edicts that the Government have been issuing have allegedly been done under the aegis of the Coronavirus Act. However, the act doesn’t actually give them that power, so it’s a massive bluff. There’s a Public Health Act (2004?) which does give them the power, but it requires each measure to be presented to Parliament within a week of being enacted. This is a reason why the Government keeps using the words “guidance” and “advice” because they know they are acting outside their authority and think that pretending they never mandated the restrictions will defend them in court. Simon Dolan experienced this over schools when they claimed the closures had merely been “advice” and were not mandatory.
I believe it’s the Civil Contingencies Act 2004
Happy to be corrected on the details, but I believe the basic point stands.
They used the Public Health Act 1984 unlawfully because that was intended to allow local authorities to contain infected persons against their will* not take measures against the entire population or parts thereof.
The Civil Contingencies Act would have required weekly Parliamentary scrutiny which is why they didn’t want to use it.
*goggle ‘ typhoid mary ‘
I think in Irish Republic they actually brought in a special law to make mask wearing compulsory. Much to everyone’s amazement because they thought it had been for three weeks already!
Lord Sumption also mentioned amendments to the 1984 Public Health Act – that’s what the government is using to introduce new rules, as far as I understand it. It seems to me that this is more important than the Coronavirus Act (Simon Dolan mentioned it Twitter some time ago).
I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that things have been organised so that it’s as unlikely as possible that any case will ever get to court. Most penalties are issued at FPNs (the few that have been issued at all), which means that it’s very unlikely that anyone will challenge them at all – far easier and cheaper to pay them quickly and move on. The addition of much more substantial fines (£3,200 for repeated breaches of the mask mandate or the ‘rule of 6’; £10,000 for organising an illegal rave like the ones that notorious party addict, Piers Corbyn arranged in Trafalgar Square and Sheffield) make it more likely that they’ll be challenged, but it seems unlikely that the £3,200 fine will ever be issued and the courts are so backed up that the case will probably never make it before a judge anyway.
One wonders whether this is deliberate, to make sure that a judge never gets a chance to comment on the validity of the regulations.
That’s the idea behind FPNs in general. Councils issue them for parking without legislative backup too. Even the whole half price if you shut up and pay is a nudge to make you comply rather than question the authority.
Because, as I understand it, until today all the lockdown laws were not real laws but regulations dressed up as such.
Which is why all early lockdown prosecutions were abandoned supposedly because several different police forces had used ‘laws’ only applicable on Wales, pull the other one on that.
I’ve just been listening to today’s ‘short straw’ minister saying that only people with symptoms are being tested.
yeah but -no but – yeah but
Nearly all the +’ve ‘cases’ are young asymptomatic people (yes and false +’ves)
Perhaps now the second wave has “started” they will switch to testing symptomatic people only. Cases fall, their swift decisive action worked to prevent a catastrophic surge etc etc.
Or, they will suddenly develop an interest in the positivity rate rather than case numbers. If you only test symptomatic people, % positive will increase. After R and case numbers, that will become the latest thing to panic about. 100% positivity rate! All 10 people we tested were positive! Second wave!
Presumably the “free tests” for anybody who wants one in Bolton town centre reported here yesterday did not actually happen
Yesterday I had another family at my house for lunch – 8 around the table.
Then, in the afternoon, 14 of us gathered for tea after church and belted out some hymns. (How i’ve missed belting hymns out!)
Today, such activities would make me an outlaw.
Many noble precedents, Ed.
I expect you’ll be getting more custom now. As long as you are just on the right side of the law, with all its exemptions, you’ll do just fine.
Have any grannies actually died?
They will eventually.
TJN
‘An unjust law is no law at all.’ St Augustine.
I feel for you, but hang on in there. Guts and perseverance mean that you’ll eventually gain the respect of your local area, especially when this fraud is exposed for what it is.
And remember, it wasn’t any of us who pushed covid patients into care homes, or forced DNR certificated on them, or abandoned those with non-covid diseases to their fate – including pain, suffering and death. Or God knows how many people, especially children, in the Third World to starving. One day the hypocrisy of these people will out.
Well said, TJN. Sums it up for me. And it takes courage to go against the crowd – but it is our moral responsibility to do so. This is why I love this site – so many courageous people making a contribution where they can.
A nearby garden centre refused to close during lockdown despite the Council threatening to prosecute them and the police threatening to prosecute customers (neither of which happened since not proper laws). Also got a lot of negative social and national media attention.
They did a roaring trade throughout lockdown and continue to do so now
I love stories like that!
They are punishing us for their mistakes. Weird.
If that’s true, we’ve got a very hard time coming …
I wouldn’t appeal to the authority of anybody in economics.
They’ve predicted 30 of the last 3 recessions.
Different groupthink.
And failed to predict the three we got!
Last week I mentioned having a bit of fun with a swerver by moving towards them. I’ve had a think about this and have come up with some guidelines that might help should you also meet a swerver.
1) Only use your anti-swerver technique in residential streets where traffic is light.
2) When you see a pedestrian approaching, make an early assessment. If it looks like they play lock forward for the local rugby team it might be best to give it a miss.
3) Check for any cars, we don’t want the swerver to be injured or run over.
4) If swerving is observed, you then have a choice. You could go for the subtle drift to the edge of the pavement which will force the swerver further into the road. Alternatively you could try the more aggressive ‘cross the road’ technique which is liable to cause panic. If you decide to do this, always pass behind the swerver.
5) Avoid eye contact and do not speak to the swerver (see 7 below)
6) Maintain social distancing. This, together with 5 above, is very important as we don’t want the swerver to think that we are taking the piss out of them.
7) In the unlikely event that the swerver queries what you are doing, act as though you have no idea what they are talking about. A simple ‘What?’, together with a shrug of the shoulders and a puzzled look should suffice.
8) Under no circumstances should you burst out laughing. We don’t want to hurt the feelings of the swerver or make them look any more stupid than they already are.
If you stick to these guidelines much fun can be had and the swerver will continue, completely oblivious to the fact that they’ve just been had.
Happy hunting.
I’m sure you’re aware that you’re setting out a programme for deliberately causing distress to other people for your own amusement. This is cruel, and it is bullying.
Perhaps other readers may like to draw an analogy with phobias. One member of my family has a phobia about spiders. What would we think of a poster who outlined a programme for amusing themselves at her expense by deliberately showing her a large spider? I think we might consider them somewhat deficient in the humanity department.
Sorry Richard, maybe I should have pointed out that the whole thing was meant as a joke.
Thanks for that.
The reason I posted, apart from a general sensitivity on the subject of phobias, is that this is precisely the point that has been made by many posters here. Some people have been pushed into irrational behaviour about masks and social contact, and I can only presume that what we’re seeing is people being tipped into various forms of phobia (I’m by no means an expert) but I believe that a significant number of people are suffering from agoraphobia. Here’s the NHS definition
In short, from being a treatable disorder, this is now government policy.
Most people with phobias know their fears are irrational though.
Yes, and it doesn’t help.
It does because they quite often seek help where as swervers think they are rationally protecting themselves from the Covid so consider their behaviour quite rational.
I enjoyed that. Shall hone my skills of Swerver-Mania later.
Happy memories of a summer Mask Touch Pub Cricket. Yes even you can get that arm to touch that mask by simply issuing the right sort of glance.
Sorry to hear this and like you I can see why Linus said that while he loved mankind its people he couldn’t stand.
Thankyou for the stand you have been taking in your shop, as one who would be very grateful for shops near me managed with your sense.
Since it seems you have been breaking no law, you are unlikely to face real difficulties. But I wonder if it’s time to consider a Sceptics’ Union, by analogy with the Free Speech Union, capable of providing more material solidarity should any of us be singled out.
Shoot me now. One of the kids has a temperature so we are all meant to isolate & get a test for child. Middle child actually has a snotty cough. I’d already sent eldest to High School before primary school broke the good news.
Fucks sake.
all the kids round here including mine have snotty noses and coughs. its just the back to school bug. they are all in school – no testing required
It’s the fact he had a temperature that has blown it out the water. On Friday we had a poster up saying snot & temperature was fine but the guidance has changed. Any temperature you have to get a test. Ironically I work part time in the school office and do the attendance reporting!
My eldest had a “temperature” at drop off. 5 normal retests later and we concluded it might be the gun. Youngest at home with a minor sniffle but because she is having chemotherapy we are having to be very careful about colds etc; not remotely worried about covid though. My daughter was part of a study of 1800 immuno suppressed kids, not one has been hospitalised by covid…
At least they aren’t checking temperatures at drop off. Good luck with your daughter’s chemo x
I kicked myself for not testing with a proper thermometer before we went in but I knew he didn’t have a temperature and fortunately the schools protocol allow a second test with different equipment and a further test half an hour later.
Covid or no covid, with an immuno suppressed daughter I don’t actually think children should be at school with a temperature.
That said I don’t think there is ever a need for temperatures to be checked as a condition of entry to school.
Taking a temperature with an infrared thermometer from a distance is no real indication of core temperature. I’ve used one that is in contact with the forehead and it came back as normal, the child looked poorly so I took another temperature in the ear and it was over 38.5.
I forgot to add, once on the ward I was working on the HCAs did the observations. The first patient had a temperature of 38.5, which was trigger for possible sepsis. The second patient also had a temperature of 38.5. When the third patient had a similar temperature, I think I tried the thermometer on my self, Lo and behold I had a temperature of around 38.5. The thermometer was faulty.
So ridiculous.
what do they regard as a high temperature?
Anything over 37.8, he managed 38.7 yesterday.
This is where there are serious issues. Using the Paediatric Observations Priority Score (POPS) developed and verified by the university of Leicester, there is a sliding scale as to when temperature has a non zero score.
For infants 0-1 > 37.5 scores 1, > 39 it scores 2
for 1-2 years >38.0 scores 1 >=40 scores 2
for 2-4 >38 scores 1 >40 scores 2
for 5-12 same as 2-4 year olds
for 13-16 same as 2-4 year olds.
A POPS score of 1 or even 2 would be treated in primary care. The child could be looked after at home and I wouldn’t see the point of a test as it wouldn’t change the management.
Mate works in a school, said all Year 7s already isolating after one positive test.
If a teacher or another year group pupil tests positive in the next 2 weeks, it will be considered an “outbreak” and the entire school plus staff must isolate. Insane.
Is this what amounts to a plan to control the virus? It’s absolutely bonkers
The plan is to control people – therefore quite sane.
https://www.facebook.com/helpkidsdoctor/photos/a.621559738549254/626668614705033/
Temperature has a specificity of almost 0% for CoViD19 as pretty much any infection in a child will spike a temperature, from sore throat to urinary tract infections to ear infections to appendicitis to meningitis.
Cough is also very non specific.
Don’t forget the politicians especially the ladies!
And they still manage to look good and immaculately presented whilst I’m looking more and more like a zombie apocalypse survivor.
Important to stress that your statement “ Denmark – the country once lauded for its coronavirus response – has been placed on England’s quarantine watch list“ is most definitely incorrect at the current time. I flew in from Denmark last night after a lovely weeks holiday & am very pleased to confirm that Denmark remains on the exempt list for now …
We are off to Denmark for Christmas. The only way we are not going is if we are banned from going by either government. Quite happy to “quarantine” if necessary. Saw a chap out and about today who thinks it is our duty to continue travelling as a form of defiance. He also has a problem wearing mask as he had an operation on his nose a couple of years ago. He clearly did not understand that he did not have to wear one.I was pleased to be able to give him an exemption badge, one of a supply that my wife has printed off for us to hand out when we see people struggling. Each badge has the the government;s rules and regs printed the back to give the wearer comfort that they are within their rights to refuse to wear one.
Suggest you post something that would come from a government propaganda wonk
“I would like this opportunely to clear up a misunderstanding that appears to be circulating on social media.
Here at (insert name of business) the safety of our customers is our number one priority.
Our policy has always been ‘people before profits’.
I would like to reassure customers that at all times we comply with the the letter and spirit of the corona virus regulations
We apologise for any distress that the information circulating has caused to our customers”
Then just carry on and do as you want
(Do what the government does, only ever apologise for something you are not responsible for)
I’m sure the testing companies in order to minimise false negatives (because that would be so awful) are using high cycle rates which leads to false positives (I’m sure they have convinced themselves false negatives are worse than false positives). So we get lots of false positives, a casedemic and the government promised £100 bn to the testing companies. So a bit of an incentive to ‘minimise false negatives’.
This text could serve as a basis for letters to MPs to stop the extension to the Coronavirus Act.
From Standupx
Hold your local Mp accountable. Copy paste and email
Wwg1 wga
To all Members of the UK Government IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST
We have serious concerns that the elected government is not acting for the people. As an MP it is your duty to serve the public and protect their interests and the UK. It is clear that this has not been happening since the passing of the Coronavirus Act in March 2020 and we need your help.
We DO NOT consent to the renewal of the Coronavirus Act at its 6 month review in September because that would clearly not be in the public interest. It is not needed, as there is now a mass of information proving that this virus is in no way as severe as the government is making it out to be.
QUESTIONS:
1. Why did the UK government itself state on the 19th of March, that the Covid19 virus was NOT a “High consequence Infectious Disease”, then, on the very same day start the process of the Coronavirus Act 2020 with all its draconian rules and regulations, and going against all medical advice?
2. Why was this not called the Covid19 Act? as that was the name of the virus which we were supposed to be fighting. Instead, it was named after a group of viruses which include the common cold and Influenza, as well as other viruses for which we have not taken such draconian actions for, or destroyed our economy for?
3. The Covid19 virus has never been isolated and proven to exist! So why therefore, did the government use the words Covid19 to strike fear into the nation and bringing it to a standstill.
4. Why did the government give instruction to hospital medical doctors to place Covid19 on death certificates as the cause of death? Even when tests had not been carried out to confirm the actual cause of death? Instead, they advised doctors to include “Died with” and “suspected of having” as actual deaths from Covid19 (a virus that has never even been proven to exist).
5. Why did the government give instructions to medical staff in hospitals and care homes, to apply “Do Not Resuscitate” (DNR)notices on patients over 45, who were suspected of having Covid19? Also it issued the same instructions on disabled people suspected of having the disease, regardless of age? And why did the government give advice for elderly people in care homes with the disease, not to be admitted to hospitals? THIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO MANSLAUGHTER!
6. Why is the government using a testing method that cannot detect Covid19 and secondly, was never designed to carry out this function, as stated by its designer and originator? These tests are at best 50% accurate and repeatedly give “false positives”.
You are actually not testing for covid19, but testing for Coronavirus which could show positive even when a person has had a common cold or influenza. So why is the Government using this method to perpetuate the fear mongering statistics, and spending billions on future similar testing, wasting tax payer’s money just to support its argument. (As stated in Sunday express 06/09/2020)
7. Why did the government place a gagging order on hospital staff, instructing them not to communicate with the media, under penalty of disciplinary action?
8. Why has the Government instructed hospitals not to carry out treatments in hospitals during this period, causing the deaths of people with ongoing serious conditions, and causing around an estimated 20,000 avoidable deaths? In addition, the lack of diagnostic tests being carried out by hospitals during the last 6 months is estimated to result in future premature deaths of up to 30,000 people. Together these amount to more deaths than caused by the virus.
9. Why has the government rolled out laws around the wearing of masks in enclosed spaces, when it has never carried out any risk assessments around the dangers of wearing masks. Evidence around the wearing of masks is scientifically divided, with many saying it can actually be dangerous and cause additional diseases.
CONFLICT OF INTERESTS.
Prof Neil Ferguson has been involved with generating projected figures of COVID19 infection and mortality. Ferguson is on the management team of the “Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium”. This group is overseen and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
In the normal course of things, where experts are advising government on matters, conflicts of interest are meant to be disclosed. Bill Gates (who has no medical qualifications or training) implied in a BBC interview that he treats mass vaccination, and possibly tracking to whom these vaccinations have been administered, as a “business interest.” It appears Professor Ferguson is also involved in this “interest.” and therefore should have never been an advisor to the government.
Ctd.
Continuation
Prof. Chris Whittey is the UK’s Chief medical officer, and involved also in advising the government with regards to the Corona virus. In 2008 he was awarded £38 million by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for Malaria research in Africa. A year later he was appointed Chief Scientific advisor to the Department for International Development.
Prof. Whitty was also part of the government’s SAGE committee, which has made recommendations about the duration of the UK’s Covid19 lockdown. Concerns are being raised about the intention to keep some of the SAGE activities secret, and the connections and conflict of interest of Prof. Whitty to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
There are also concerns about Mr Hancock having ties to a company called “Babylon healthcare services which promotes an App called “GP at Hand”. It has not escaped peoples attention that as part of Covid measures that GP’s have vastly increased their use of telephones or remote appointments.
PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE AGAINST THE PEOPLE.
In a government document entitled “Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures” (22nd March 2020) we come across the following:
a) Perceived threat. “A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened.” Action to be taken, “The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased amongst those who are complacent, using hard hitting emotional messaging.”
b) Also stated in this document it says “Use media to increase sense of personal threat”, “Consider enacting legislation to compel required behaviours” Consider use of social disapproval for failure to comply.”
This document strongly suggests that Government ministers, and/or their advisors, have committed an offense under the UK Terrorism Act .
There are many other instances of inappropriate behaviour and law breaking by this Government which we hold in reserve.
WE PLACE THIS GOVERNMENT ON NOTICE.
That “WE the PEOPLE of the UNITED KINGDOM, disagree and disapprove, of all the actions taken by the Government with regards to the alleged Covid19 Pandemic.
We request that ALL CURRENT LEGISLATION surrounding the Covid19 pandemic be removed, and life in the UK be returned to normal.
Also, that a full and detailed Public Enquiry be held as soon as possible.
We hold this Government in its entirety, responsible for all avoidable deaths caused by their draconian measures including suicides, for their lies and deceit to the people of this country, and will seek retribution in the courts for their actions.
Signed on behalf of the People of the United Kingdom.
I was inclined to disbelieve your points following your claim that Covid19 hasn’t been isolated or proven to exist. I thought that it had infact been isolated and gene coded by scientists?
Not done in the UK. Not isolated by any known UK government system. You can search for it, I’ve lost the link(!), and they will truthfully tell you that it doesn’t exist anywhere within the system.
It would be great to get an answer to the question has it been isolated? It is unclear what has been done with countering accounts in many publications.
I don’t think the PCR test will report flu as a positive. Why would it, unless flu contains the same bits of genetic code as those that you’re looking for with SARS-COV2?
I believe (shoot me down if you know otherwise) that the reason Covid was not termed a high consequence disease was the case fatality ratio did not meet the threshold, the definition being intended more for the likes of Ebola for example. If this is the case then it is just setting up an easy aunt sally to be knocked down and might risk undermining the credibility of the correspondent.
Malcom McKendrick was of the opinion that they downgraded it as they were faced with a lack of PPE before lockdown. For a high consequence disease theyay have a contractual commitment to place workers in such an environment if they are adequately protected. Naturally so.
This is the reason. It was presumably thought that the number of cases would overwhelm the designated specialist hospitals:https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcidHospital management of confirmed HCID cases
Once an HCID has been confirmed by appropriate laboratory testing, cases in England should be transferred rapidly to a designated HCID Treatment Centre. Occasionally, highly probable cases may be moved to an HCID Treatment Centre before laboratory results are available.
Contact HCIDsThere are 2 principal Contact HCID Treatment Centres in England:
Further support for managing confirmed contact HCID cases is provided by the Royal Liverpool Hospital and the Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Sheffield.
Airborne HCIDsThere are 5 interim Airborne HCID Treatment Centres in England. Adult and paediatric services are provided by 7 NHS Trusts:
Case transfer arrangementsHospital clinicians seeking to transfer confirmed HCID cases, or discuss the transfer of highly probable HCID cases, should contact the NHS England EPRR Duty Officer. It is expected that each case will have been discussed with the Imported Fever Service before discussing transfer.
Unfortunately most of the leaflet consists of the sort of language and ideas that are all too easy to defuse &/or characterise as cranky. E.g. the ‘Koch’s postulates” irrelevancy at 3, the assertion at 4 that CV19 has never been proven to exist, the ‘tests are at best 50% accurate’ figure is wrong, ‘You are actually not testing for covid19, but testing for Coronavirus which could show positive even when a person has had a common cold or influenza.’ is nonsense since the genetic code is specific to Sars Cov 2,, etc. etc. Add in the liberal use of capital letters and no-one you seek to influence is going to take any notice.
Thanks for the info.
What exactly are you referring to when you say ‘at 3…..at 4’ etc?
Are you speaking in response to McKendricks views?
Yes, a friend of mine who is, theoretically, scientifically literate, is obsessed by false negatives. He is sure that there are loads of cases going unreported because of them. And that the government is deliberately under-reporting cases!
Until you actually come across it, you can’t quite believe that such people exist. We believe the government is exaggerating cases (with the small matter of also trying to persuade people to maintain the economy and our way of life); he believes the exact opposite and is prepared to support policies that will obviously trash his own kids’ futures in order to make life harder for Boris. The government is probably trying to triangulate a course between both troublesome sets of people.
He’s a fool.
To try and devise public policy based on false negatives is pissing in the wind. You have nothing concrete to guide you.
With false positives you can be sure that a certain level of cases will always be returned, and theoretically, you should then have a threshold over which you can be sure cases are genuinely rising.
So where are they hiding all the dead bodies? Of all the conspiracy theories, this has to be one of the most ludicrous. But I guess your friend wouldn’t like to be considered a conspiracy theorist?
Ferguson (the Good) quoted data on +ve tests by Pillar (X% for Pillar 1 and Y% for Pillar 2). Any idea where these can be found.
I’m looking at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases and can get an analysis of the number of tests under each Pillar, but only an overall total for ‘cases’.
I’m still chuckling to myself about the Magnificent Seven joke (end of yesterday’s update) … Yul Brynner would make a nice subversive track and trace name!
Posted this late last night on yesterdays update, hope you don’t mind if you’ve already seen it.
“Anyone in need of a giggle?
Over on Conservative Woman there’s an article “Face-mask follies grow ever loonier”
Some budding Einstein posted this 2 minute video as evidence of how face masks work (!!). Somehow I don’t think it would pass even a modicum of academic rigour do you? If this is the best that the ‘other side’ can do…….(I commented on this and someone replied ‘why are you afraid of a mask, it won’t hurt you”!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s&ab_channel=UNSW
James Fergusons’s paper yesterday shows that about 99% of so-called cases are false positives. Almost no one in the UK has Covid any more.
This should be the number one issue for discussion. Why are governments across the world not declaring the FPR? It’s a big cover up, more important than all the other craziness going on.
neil ferguson hasn’t tweeted since april
https://twitter.com/neil_ferguson?lang=en
and his team hasn’t produced a report since july
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/covid-19-reports/
I thought maybe he’d gone quiet as his predictions (ie sweden) have proved so awful but then he popped up on radio 4 spouting some shite
He looks like a sickly mentally broken wretch in his tv appearances at select committees. He was being dug out of holes by his colleagues when his synapses failed him and he found himself unable to answer question. Twitter might be a stretch for him. Deserves every bit on unpleasantness coming to him. Decades of unforgivable grot.
Just on Victoria Derbyshire “8 out of 10 doctors think we’re heading for a second wave”!!!!!!!
It is absolutely clear that the BBC has no intention whatsoever of reporting the facts..we’re f*cked
It never has. (No, we’re not.).
Why?
I think the point is that if our response to an issue relied on the BBC reporting facts we’d never have had Brexit or a Conservative government. As it happens, the latter has turned out to be a complete disaster, but the point is that the BBC doesn’t infect the brains of enough people to set the agenda as much as it likes to think.
Assuming you mean why we’re not fucked ?
Because we vastly outnumber the bad guys. And because we are more highly and more qualitatively motivated.
In the same survey though 6 out of 10 doctors believe that the backlog of care is not a priority, which is more concerning as the backlog is real rather than the hypothetical “second wave”.
So they’re happy to prepare for a potential “second wave” but in the mean time those that required treatment are not a priority and can be left to die.
people believe what is in their best interests to believe. if we’d had no furlough and shitty weather in the spring, lockdown would have ended as soon as the peak was passed in early april
Agree. I’ve said that from the start. Too many people were treating it as ‘party time’. I’m looking forward to seeing their faces when the party’s over!
You won’t be able to see their faces – that’s probably why they have to wear masks.
To hide their shame.
I’m not surprised. I haven’t seen a decent GP for decades. In fact I haven’t seen a GP at all for over a decade.
It is scary though because they are (for some reason) so respected. I just see them as drug-pushers, on the whole. A bit like vets, you have to go to the top to meet a decent medic
just see them as drug-pushers
so true, they do not understand
My wife has a chronic condition which means GPs are somewhat unavoidable for us. She’s also been through a couple of major problems in the last decade where the GP has been involved at least part of the way. In our experience they know very little about medicine – certainly we’ve invariably seemed to know more about the problems than they have. This is what you get when someone is supposed to be a generalist – anything beyond diagnosis and prescription is totally outside their field.
Well – what do doctors know? – they’ve still got their heads down ever since the first wave turned out to be nothing special and have largely complied with the NHS ‘omerta’, I’m sad to say.
What do they mean by “wave” – are we talking about a tsunami? – or a gentle lapping on the shore? It would be useful if they were asked to put a figure on it.
But that’s enough for the gullible that have the BBC on constantly as ‘background noise’. Subliminal conditioning!
Why are you bothering with Facebook? The trolls just want to get you ensnared in it, and break you.
I suspect the ‘second’ wave is the politicians’ and experts’ escape pod.
It has to happen –or it has to appear to have happened. It has to be cured – or has to appear to have been cured.
In fact, it won’t happen and it won’t need to be cured, but all efforts are now on manning the escape pod.
A second wave that didn’t happen is a second wave that has been cured and so all the toil has been worthwhile.
Or, a second wave that does happen (which it won’t) is a vindication of the management of the problem.
Thus all reputations will survive unscathed. The government can resume governing, basking in glory.
Without the ‘second wave’ how can anyone wind down all the current restrictions when it’s been painfully obvious that this should have been done weeks ago and were probably unnecessary anyway?
This has now sod all to do with public health. This is to do with the survival of egos.
Cui bono?
I don’t believe lockdown 1 was sensible but I can understand those that did. I do not accept lockdown 2 at all, when covid deaths are 10% of flu deaths. you can’t take away our freedoms ‘just in case’.
See Lord Sumption’s remarks, LS Sept 12.
Someone here suggested they want an excuse to impose a second lockdown/national mockdown in October. Either way, Xmas is cancelled unless a ‘compliance target’ for their next move is met.
A Christmas lockdown would be political suicide, hence the need for a second wave to be conquered – just in time……..
Let’s hope it’s “conquered in time”!
It would be political suicide normally. But we’re 4 years from an election, and increasingly moving towards a police state.
If they can criminalize peaceful assembly, I don’t think Yule will give them any problem whatsoever.
Don’t be so pessimistic. Keep your chin up. Organize.
Not being negative, Richard. Merely trying to get people to understand the character of the opposition.
We are organising – want to deliver some leaflets for us ?
“Resume governing”. They think they are governing now. The threat of a second wave will be with us forever, or until there’s a big change in public opinion. Pretending there is a permanent public health emergency makes “governing” a lot easier – people do as they’re told, you’re not criticised for wrecking the economy, the opposition and the media do not scrutinize you, you’re the centre of attention, you can pretend to be saving lives. Why would any politician not want that to continue? Only a politician who lived by a moral code would want to stop.
Not so much cui bono, more like ne peccati reus ero – to dodge the blame – when the “inquiry” occurs.
This has been the case since the middle of April. The other factor that has to be remembered when analysing the decision making is the need to perpetuate the myth of asymptomatic transmission to cover up the criminal decision to chuck (knowingly) sick people into care homes.
Ah! the concept of asymptomatic transmission.
So useful.
Consider:
a) Miraculously, in the year of our Lord 2020 – which also coincided with an explosion of social media connectivity – a ‘new’ disease emerged that (uniquely?) is able to replicate itself enough so as to allow sufficient viruses to be released from an individual to be infectious without that individual’s own defence system ever being aware.
Or
b) whilst their eyes were off the ball, the world health authorities were taken by surprise by a disease that appeared to spread out of control. To cover their inefficiencies, the concept of asymptomatic transmission appeared to be extremely attractive as it exonerated their lack of vigilance. The concept was freely used to justify a wide range of knee-jerk restrictions and was accepted willingly as truth – even though it is, perhaps, implausible.
I favour (b)
I agree the second wave nonsense is the government’s escape route. I reckon their perverse logic is something like this.
Gosh, we probably have grossly over-reacted but if we are not careful we will get blamed for trashing the economy and for all the excess deaths from non-Covid diseases. So how do we dodge that bullet? Yes, we had better pretend there is a real danger of a second wave and have a bit more of project fear for another couple of months. Deaths from Covid are unlikely to go up over that time so when we get to late November we can declare the rule of 6 has worked. It can then be announced that rule of 6 can be relaxed or even cancelled just in time for Christmas. Johnson and Handycock can then say “thanks to our wise policy we have saved your family Christmas” thinking they can be the heroes of a grateful nation. Probably they will still want muzzles until the spring by which time there will be hardly any Covid deaths as herd immunity will have been reached and at that time they will attempt to proclaim they have been totally vindicated.
All total bollocks of course but we need to remember that the overriding concern of all politicians is not “what is the best policy for the country?” but rather “how are we going to win the next election?”
They might not make it to the next election. I hope.
No it has to do with the mass vaccination that they are planning. Unfortunately for them 1) the virus is no longer ‘deadly’ and disappearing fast 2) the vaccine trial hit an obstacle (severe adverse incident) and had to be paused.
So they are desperate to keep us terrified and cooperative therefore the continuous scaremongering about the second wave, keep people apart, make them wear masks etc.
See Open Consultation: Distributing vaccines and treatment for Covid-19 and flu
Consultation document: changes to Human Medicine Regulations to support the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines
Draft statutory instrument: the Human Medicines (Coronavirus) (Amendment) Regulations 2020
UK law changes for COVID-19 mass vaccinationSUMMARY DRAFT CONSULTATION RESPONSE
uk-law-changes-for-covid-19-mass-vaccination
It will be manufactured. Like every other seasonal virus we are likely to see a rise in cases. Nothing out of the ordinary of course but this will be used to continue to justify the lockdown. When the number of actual cases isn’t that high they will use that as evidence that the lockdown worked and managed to keep a lid on the tsunami of illnesses we would otherwise have faced. Every sniffle, cough and cold will be viewed through suspicious eyes. They will ramp up the testing more, finding more false positives and carry on with the crap.
The MSM which appears to be slightly wavering now will watch these slight rise in numbers and in all likelihood revert back to their old positions of lockdowns good, individual freedoms bad.
I suspect at Christmas Boris will throw us a bone and say something like ‘for two days only I am suspending the rule of 6 to allow families to meet if they wish’ etc etc. The covidiots will lap this up. As long as I can have Chrimbo dinner then everything is o.k.
Yep, the R number, which is an infallible measure that everybody understands* will magically dip on Christmas Eve, yet somehow rise again about 11.38 pm on Boxing Night. Possibly because of tinsel. Or something.
*This is the joke part.
Mistletoe in the hallway, near the front door.
How horrible, a friend has faced the same thing at the shop where she works, if it helps I reckon someone has a gripe about practically everywhere, certainly my experience of Facebook bears that out, the moaners are a tiny minority.
Starmer on LBC. Supports the Rule of Six. And clearly said that’s what Scientists have recommended and that’s what they have followed. What scientists ? Let’s wait 6 months for the vague SAGE crap to be published.
Absolutely losing the will to do anything with this ongoing load of shit.
What actually is the point of Starmer? Why doesn’t he just join the Conservative party and be done with it?
its a strange democracy when on the most important topic since WW2 they all believe the same nonsense. need a new party
Our lives, all our lives, are being governed by SAGE. Not either political party. That’s the reality of this. Our fury – and that’s what I have is fury – is to be directed at SAGE and politicians in equal measure.
Absolutely. A number of posters on here have got stock responses from their MPs which simply state that they are following the advice and that is the right thing to do.
They are worse than useless, but dangerous.
Those in positions of responsibility who don’t act with responsiblity are dangerous. Always are and always will be.
They should be schooled, day by day. I told my MP that I was very disappointed and (essentially) told him to get better advisors who don’t just feed him junk. The reply was much less flippant.
They should be schooled, day by day. I told my MP that I was very disappointed and (essentially) told him to get better advisors who will feed him truth instead of junk. The reply was much less flippant.
Make as many ‘fronts’ as you want and give them all ‘framing’ names.
But they are no more than interfaces to the managing of perception – and response.
Your fury will consume you. You cant ‘reach’ your targets nor would it make any difference if you could – in fact it would strengthen them as front line victims of ‘far-right terrorists’.
Too much inflammation burns in hatred.
That you are feeling betrayal, I understand.
But nothing good comes of making your self in its image.
The trap is more deeply laid and over generations.
But the more we struggle blind, the more entangled in lies.
There is a view that there is truth, by which lies are dispelled or undone.
And there is a view that vengeance takes priority over truth.
What we give priority to we give power to.
This puts YOU in the place of responsibility or indeed governance.
That you see a madness operating destructively is maddening.
Some have been seeing this throughout their lives, but your ‘world’ is just breaking – which reveals that it ran on false presumptions and invested identity.
Perhaps the force of rage can transmute to clear the Augean Stables? O r indeed sweep the Temple of interlopers?
They believe obeying orders will save their skin?
Perhaps in a framing of no conceivable escape?
A general rule of thumb is that if all politicians support something, it is wrong.
You could say the same about Johnson.
Useless
Worse than useless! He’s my MP, alas…
Keir Starmer.
Agree. Labour just capitulated. There is NO opposition
The point of Starmer has been obvious for a long time : he is the establishment shill maneuvered into place as leader of the opposition to provide a ‘safe’ alternative in the eventuality of a change of government.
Anyone who has been awake during the last year (and able to see beyond simple political preference) will have noticed absolute continuity between the propaganda campaign around Covid and the techniques of lies and distortion focused on Corbyn, which was unprecedented in my lifetime.
The phenomenon was noted by good journalists (a rare beast) from across the political spectrum – such as Peter Oborne – as going way beyond normal partisan political debate.
Substitute Brexit for Corbyn and you’d be just as close to the mark.
There’s no difference between the two, there’s just one Totalitarian Party.
Or go back to being a Human Rights lawyer. Yeah, sure.
Starmer: Trilateral Commission: David Rockefeller.
Any reason to suppose he doesn’t have the vast majority of the Labour Party solidly behind him on this? None that I’ve seen.
But yes, they might as well all be in one party if they won’t do their jobs and Oppose.
Carl Heneghan on ITV now
I don’t have a tv. is he calm and measured or fuming?
Banging his head against a big brick wall?
Patience of a saint, I think! He’s just raised cycle thresholds but been swiftly redirected
I think the cycle threshholds and private testing companies will all come out in the final trials (like the cars and their emissions fix). doesn’t help us now though.
You might be right. Though I think that issue has been getting more coverage in the print media of late, thanks to Heneghan and co.
I disagree. I think it is the key issue right now when we are testing so much. The rate of false positives is causing a lot of noise and we are locking down for case numbers at the level we are, it is something that needs sorted now.
The mantra ‘test, test, test’ seems so utterly sinister right now. They want to have massive testing to ensure cases, but bury the fact that much of those are just noise.
dont misundertand me
I think the FPR and testing is a massive issue and will likely give give a false lockdown. I think it will all come out in the wash but we will have double-fucked ourselves first. Pressure needs to be applied on this specific point. I write to my MP demanding to know the Ct applied in the testing companies etc
I agree, Steve. traction on this point would bring the whole house of cards crashing down. Which is why the govt will do what they can to avoid the question. I believe MH has stated that the cycle issue is being looked into but I have little doubt that even if that is true he will ignore the findings of any such investigation.
I wrote to my MP also on that specific point 3 weeks ago. No response
It’s a big issue, for sure, and if it can be communicated well it strengthens our case.
But I think they key issue is that same as it has always been – the virus does not represent an unprecedentted threat to public health by any reasonable measure, given the evidence we have, and unpredecented, untried measures that are obviously hugely damaging are in no way justified – such interventions are extremely hazardous and unorthodox, and the case for them continuing is almost impossible to make on the basis of the evidence from round the world.
He was able to speak with no interruptions, at least for as much as I saw (I only switched to on when I saw tonys post). Could have been worse, if he was on GMB would they just interrupt and talk over him.
Eamon Holmes?
Phil and Holly.
As universities open their doors again with the new restrictions in place, will the more experienced students be holding a “furlough a fresher week”?
“We can’t keep wrecking economies…”
The trouble is they can and they are doing. Not only here but worldwide.
As each day goes by and any good news is systematically buried by the politicians, this is looking more and more like a sinister plan for a New World Order based around climate change and biosecurity pseudo-science.
Australia seems to be the test bed for each new sinister policy. Extremely worrying.
And Israel now locked down again. Just caught the last sentence of the report on the World Service – nearly all the epidemiologists in Israel have told the Govt that they should not lock down. And the reporter sounded surprised!
You’d think you could rely on Israel to be hard-headed and pragmatic
Why is using covid as the pretext to suppress and control dissent not hard-headed and pragmatic?
I suppose that’s one way of looking at it. I don’t know much about Israeli politics, but it has always seemed to me that, if nothing else, their leaders were pro-Israeli so were less likely to engage in policies that were so obviously not in the national interest. But I may be wrong.
NetanYahoo.
Again, not the Mark who has been posting here for months. It’s definitely a drawback that the system should allow identical handles.
Then again, if you’re the same new Mark who has been posting for the past few days, your views seem pretty similar to my own and you express them well. You seem slightly closer to the conspiracy end of the conspiracy/cock up spectrum.
But I’ll give you fair warning that I have been accused of being racist and told that my opinions on BLM should be silenced here, so if you continue to use that handle you will run the risk of being tarred with that brush.
NWO will be a worldwide and digital control version on the style of the southern slave economy. Welcome to he plantation (when the vaccine has done its stuff).
Just produce your risk assessment that shows that masks put on and taken off leave all manner of unknown germs all over the place. Your risk assessment will also, of course, include links to studies that have shown masks to be ineffective (there are no studies which prove them to be effective, so no need to link to any of those), and it will also include the fact that the WHO considers masks to be pointless, and that their ‘official’ advice was changed only after political lobbying. No idea where you are, but I’d happily come every day for coffee and a bun.
Just planning a get away to Stockholm next week and found this – what the Swedes advise their people:
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/
Here’s Ivor Cummins’ video from the 8th Sept again. For anyone who missed it or is lurking and happens to see the page today.
40 minutes of brilliant official data analysis.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
Heading on towards 600k views now.
current testing is 300,000 a day and 3,000 (false) positives
that’s 1% FPR
if we test all people who are dying and 1500 die every day then we will get 15 per day deaths from covid but all false positive
Sceptic of the week! Well done.
Piers Corbyn and that man on the Liverpool train watch out. Someone’s after your mantle!
I admire you, I really do. It takes guts and character to do what you are doing.
And you could always let Peter H. know again.
Do we really ‘save ourself’ by running from feared truth to hide in more complex lies of subjection? To ‘give the knee’ by denying and abandoning those who refuse to join in hate?
Is our truth, the capacity to abide through confusion of chaos, to a love and recognition of truth – free of deceit? Is our willingness for releasing invested self-illusions that mask over the heart to lock down in fear, an aligning in self-honesty instead of temptation to react?
Do we abandon our freedom in uncovering truth in life, to be ‘saved’ by such permissions or privileges as crumbs let fall from the table of control set by fear?
We may recognize coercion as locking down and framing in defencelessness against a deceit running in and as our own perceptions and responses. The lie is never true, but has all the support given it by engaging in its framing.
This is where we give power away by assigning priority to false thinking and accepting it as ‘normal’ currency.
While choking life support of the global economy, this iteration is not yet actively engaged in poisoning the novel ‘infected’ or the mass population with novel means to ‘protect’ against ‘novel infection’. As is the ‘normal’ for the (also novel HIV) – whose ‘designated antibodies’ are declared proof of infection instead of immunity.
This corona is not so novel, but a tried and tested formula of a revolving doors between regulatory bodies, institutional authorities, and financial cartels of hugely disproportionate leverage.
Where our treasure is, there is our heart invested – and given protection.
When we give our heart in wishing truth to be different than it is, we open to fear of losing what we never really had, and set defences that are blind to truth, running in our name.
https://twitter.com/melbprisoner/status/1305339140003696641
Melbourne police.
Dear Lord, what is this world becoming?
This is assault, pure and simple.
As someone once said – the problem with Australia is not that so many are descended from convicts, but that so many are descended from prison guards.
How did they survive the boat trip?
The head-kicking motherfucker should be on charges.
David Icke uses the term for these goons ” EmpathyDeleted”
The fail safe human quaility that prevents us doing evil – empathy.
Chew on that, it is good.
And the pig who dove into him with bull bars
Disgusting behaviour
Alas as he’s not black and Trump isn’t the head of their government this will not be reported by the MSM
I know this has been mentioned elsewhere as a likely target for Prof Heneghan’s CEBM team. As the numbers of new admissions to hospital with Covid decline, the Welsh stats are starting to have a significant distorting effect on the UK total.
The Gov’t website – at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare, glibly says:
“The figures are not comparable as Wales include suspected COVID-19 patients while the other nations include only confirmed cases.”
I struggle to put tables on this site but have below (with the date in the final column):
Wales daily hospitalisations and UK daily total.
Wales as a % of the UK total and Wales as a % of the UK population (4.71%).
The ‘overcount’ if Wales simply had its ‘fair share’ of hospitalisations, and the revised UK total.
Looking at the 3 Sept as an example, the numbers hospitalised with Covid in the UK are reduced from 140 to only 77 if the Welsh figures were aligned.
56 192 29.17% 4.71% -47 145 09/09/2020
65 168 38.69% 4.71% -57 111 08/09/2020
46 130 35.38% 4.71% -40 90 07/09/2020
42 130 32.31% 4.71% -36 94 06/09/2020
27 122 22.13% 4.71% -21 101 05/09/2020
69 137 50.36% 4.71% -63 74 04/09/2020
70 140 50.00% 4.71% -63 77 03/09/2020
59 141 41.84% 4.71% -52 89 02/09/2020
69 131 52.67% 4.71% -63 68 01/09/2020
The figures for yesterday on
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
Were that 884 people were in hospital in UK either with Covid or waiting for a Covid test result
The NHS spreadsheet is hard to follow
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Covid-Publication-10-09-2020.xlsx
But on 3rd Sept it says there were 468 people with Covid in English Hospitals
I find hospital data hard to find and follow, but I feel it is going to be important to use to see if there is a second wave.
Even if we thought that a positive test legitimately translated to a case (and we don’t), surely the numbers are nonsense if they include those waiting for a test result? Guilty until proven innocent?
Hospital cases are all Pillar 1 tests i.e. a proper medical diagnosis backed up by a test. The NHS England figures are, as I understand it, all confirmed pillar 1 tested cases of Covid 19. It is the UK figures that are confused by including the Welsh pending figures.
I think the point is that the media are suggesting that hospital cases are going up and so we need to check the movement in these figures to see whether they are rising or falling.
Go Lord Sumption! Here he is again on TalkRadio this morning. Amongst other things, he describes Wancock as “a gimlet eyed fanatic” https://youtu.be/ipaeGea5OZE
What’s the timestamp for that comment? I just need something to cheer me up right now.
About 9:30 or just after
He is excellent in his focus on the key issue of civil liberties. I almost threw up yesterday as the media banged on about the Battle of Britain whilst news bulletins preached the doctrine of totalitarianism. What an insult to the two generations that came before mine to compliment Hitler, Goebbels and Mengele with the flattery of imitation!
Bluntly – Mr Toad and the rest of the Slime have achieved more moral and social damage in 6 months than the Third Reich did in the blitz. But – hey ho – the bricks and mortar are intact – it’s just the people that are collateral damage.
Some here have written about the possibility of legal action. Sumption’s clear thinking is interesting on this : see at about 6:30 into this interview.
Thank you for that laugh – perfect description.
Good grief, Hartley-Brewer talks far too much! If she’s interviewing someone as intelligent as Sumption, she really doesn’t need to explain what answer she wants at such length, before letting him respond….
New name for a cocktail.
Re Vaccines that shed and then infect others that had not been vaccinated
Received the annual NHS letter re Annual Childhood Flu Immunisation Programme for schools
4.4 Special warnings and precautions for use
Vaccine recipients should be informed that Fluenz Tetra is an attenuated live virus vaccine and has the potential for transmission to immunocompromised contacts. Vaccine recipients should attempt to avoid, whenever possible, close association with severely immunocompromised individuals (e.g. bone marrow transplant recipients requiring isolation) for 1-2 weeks following vaccination. Peak incidence of vaccine virus recovery occurred 2-3 days post-vaccination in Fluenz clinical studies. In circumstances where contact with severely immunocompromised individuals is unavoidable, the potential risk of transmission of the influenza vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and transmitting wild-type influenza virus.
But “the potential risk of transmission of the influenza vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and transmitting wild-type influenza virus.”
If there is a low risk of seeing a wild influenza then there’s no point having our Flutetra because that is likely to pose more risk than going without.
Do I understand that correctly?
I should say so
Mr Malthouse added: “What we’re hoping is that we will see for the rule of six what we saw for the initial lockdown, which was extremely high compliance from the British people.”
That is because in March we believed you were operating on proper scientific advice. Now we know you’re just thrashing about with no idea what to do next.
The more rules these people invent the more the public’s contempt for them will increase. You’d think they’d realise that, wouldn’t you?
He is my MP, and I wrote to him a few days ago. Wish I had left it until today, so I could have told him what I think about his latest comments.
On the Today programme this morning, when pushed by Mishal Hussein he agreed that you should dob in your neighbours if they had a 7th person in their garden.
So, the kids can play with their friends in the playground at school but not in the park on the other side of the fence!
Who are these cretins?
Plus the restrictions then didn’t make any difference to the outcome. And they won’t this time either.
Malthouse is an embarrasment to himself and his ‘profession’ talking without understanding what is happening. Mr Malthouse ought to be on the radio describing the progress being made into the viscious government policies that have isolated millions and caused the deaths of thousands. Is Mr Malthouse a puny man or does he just come across that way.
High compliance? Not what I observed whilst delivering. Plenty of people about visiting friends and family in the back estates. Especially after the 2nd or 3rd week. Traffic on the roads started to increase at about the same time.
I am a member of a church choir which has not been allowed to sing since March. I did a solo spot at one service which was incredibly good for both my morale and others who attended. I am a classically trained mezzo soprano with diplomas in singing performance and my teacher was a member of the company at the Royal Opera House, so we know how the voice works.
Last week I attended a Zoom call to do a risk assessment for a return to singing. I was there to try to dilute the nonsense coming from, mainly, teachers’ union reps. I also wanted to ensure that ‘safety’ measures didn’t interfere with the musicality of what we were trying to do and, therefore make it pointless.
There was a view that masks should be worn at all times when not actually singing. A trained singer breathes low down, holds the air, and controls the outward flow with the abdominal muscles. The shoulders and neck must be relaxed and the throat open. Covering the face will send the body into fight or flight mode, causing high breathing, tension, an unsupported voice and poor intonation. Performance anxiety can also have that effect and it is incredibly difficult to restore control. I argued that, once in the suitably spaced choir seating, masks should not be necessary at all, but I was overruled. The organist is also expected to wear one, on his own, facing away from anyone else. Playing the organ requires great concentration and physical agility.
There was then an hysterical discussion about how to send music to people without computers when it would be ‘contaminated’. There are people who literally quarantine their post!
The greatest absurdity was the view that singing could only happen in the west end with the door open. In winter! My comment that we would be protecting people from Covid to freeze them to death was ignored!
I am not prepared to compromise my integrity as a singer to participate in this choir. Fortunately I am also in a more rural one which is taking a more pragmatic and musical approach.
The Church of England is completely hysterical over this.
Not just The Church of England. My daughter did some exams last week (Summer exams postponed until now) – I asked her how she had got on. “Mum, they have to quarantine the papers for three days before they’re marked and then have to be quarantined again for three days before we get them back so we won’t know for a week”. I think some of the teachers think it is all nonsense but too many, for my liking, think this is rational and proportionate.
I am a member of our church council. I suggested I pinned up the summary minutes of our last (Zoom) meeting on our noticeboard as we have always done in the past. I was told that doing so encouraged people gathering round to read them and passing them on to each other ‘spreading the virus’. Similarly we are not allowed to print out copies of our weekly notice sheets, email distribution only. I thought this idea of spread from paper/post etc had been well dismissed ages ago but seems some still panic at the very thought.
Would you be arrested if you did it as normal?
Yes, I vaguely remember something about it being a minuscule risk via paper. It’s all basically bonkers!
Completely over taken by NWO fanatics, Welby was a plant
The moment I was told that we had been instructed not to sing in Church, I said “Well, you won’t see me until I can”. I then waited for the remonstration from the others (which of course happened) “But we’ve been ordered…” and as they fell straight into my trap, I replied “Then it’s not only satanic, but you have just described the first stage of Hitler’s Germany. Have you learned nothing?”
Silence.
No wonder singing (if done as you explained) is great for health. It also improved oxygenation of cells
I would say they are ‘complicit’. The hysteria is fake.
One if Their wickedest crimes is the silencing of the singing voice.
Jonathon Sumption 8:15 interview on BBC R4 Today Programme. Listen to it. Brilliant! Compare & contrast with the policeman on before or the cretinous Kit Malthouse.
https://youtu.be/ipaeGea5OZE
Also on TalkRadio. Link above. What a hero
The number 27 to High Town or the 15.09 from Paddington would appear to make fine law abiding locations for weddings and funerals. Seating for all, out of the rain. A little bit drafty perhaps but nothing more than some churches. Return tickets for increased use of the buffet.
These people should be reminded about what happened to collaborators in France after WW2. When sanity returns….
I’ve just unfriended a former colleague on Facebook after she posted a link to this https://www.facebook.com/gammonmag/photos/a.324985478075280/772129983360825
NHS approval?
Our wonderful NHS that is letting thousands of people suffer and die while they all cower in their homes on full pay. Bastards.
I’m back of fb again for good now after 2 friends have already posted a chain thing that says something like “I’ve been wearing a mask in shops since . . . To those who would mock me for this I am educated enough to know that of I am asymptomatic I could pass it to you, I am caring enough . . . Blah blah”. So taking the moral and intellectual high ground. Classic virtue signalling tactics.
What is more disappointing is that I’m a nurse practitioner and have been working throughout in an urgent care centre. I am male over 50, with diabetes and so I’m in the high risk category; but I am trusting my immune system to respond appropriately.
Great attitude.
I had the same posted by 3 friends ..it pissed me off , so I copied it , changed the wording and posted
It began … I havnt been wearing a mask in shopes because I’m intelligent enough to know they don’t work I went through and changed it all …it was fun LOL
I have recently unfriended 2 people who posted this crap, the worst thing is that I know the 2 people who posted actually work in administrative positions in the NHS and have been sitting on their well padded asses at home on full pay since March, courtesy of the British tax payer
Before I unfriended them I pointed this out to both of the sanctimonious ass wipes
They got the first bit right “we have not placed our lives on the line for months”. Should’ve left it at that.
Masks are the new plastic bags, they are clogging up the oceans and the sewers. More fish are dying from the pollution than people dying of covid
And they’re more of a nuisance than single use plastic bags!
Wales which is has a population 18 x smaller than England’s (3.1m v 56m) has over 50% of all Covid hospitalisations!!!!!!
Could this perhaps be something to do with the Welsh recording ‘suspected’ cases rather than those with a test.
I’ve only just spotted this!
As in many communist countries, you stay as far away as possible from any government authorities
Must be handy to be able to blame any deaths through NHS Wales incompetence on suspected/imaginary covid19
An interesting observation, Nick.
I think that the most likely explanation lies within the inaccuracies of classification that have been present in this data shambles from the start.
Remember – there’s never been a satisfactory accounting for ‘Covid’ and the numbers actually infected.
Worth asking the Welsh government that question? It looks bonkers, can’t be right.
Via https://mobile.twitter.com/welshgovernment?lang=en
I think this is political, Drakeford & the Labour Party are effectively shafting Boris (as if he needs any help on that front!).
But this is an absolute scandal, the Welsh doctors are inflating the numbers of hospitalisations astronomically.
There is another post about it up the thread.
Hi Nick,
I posted some adjusted figures for Wales earlier today, giving them their “fair share” of hospitalisations pro rata to their population – the effect on the figures is dramatic.
I think the key missing data is just how many of these poor sods being hospitalised are admitted due to covid & how many are admitted for something else and fail a PCR test on it’s 34th cycle. Also, how many are nosocomial infections, how many have come from a care home & how many from being cared for at home.
I suspect just about 0 are people who one day were kicking about the town, got infected, got ill & finished up in hospital. That’s the implied picture but I think it’s vanishingly rare.
Separate NHS England figures can be found here but they are not published daily
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
All of these concerns about hospital data seem like they need the attention of CEBM.
Nick – I forgot (I hadn’t read their article) – but the CEBM has done a paper on this :
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-flaw-in-the-reporting-of-welsh-data-on-covid-hospital-admissions/
Keep Britain Free: Life Post Covid Report
I took this survey in Mid August (linked from this site( .
Had email to tell me results are out
Click here for full results and more info
How do we dob people in to the Covid marshalls? Can we do it anonymously through crimestoppers? I should think that a few hundred false alarms would divert enough police resources for the whole thing to become unworkable.
I was thinking of emailing my MP saying I was having a gathering of 10 adults this afternoon at 3pm, giving him my address and inviting him for a chat about false positives. See if he reports me to the police
has anyone seen a Covid Womble? Are they active from today? Do they have a uniform ? Have any been beaten up yet?
Do you mean a Johnson Jackass?
I love it! I’m definitely on this.
This was copied from Save Our Rights Facebook page and sums up what a load of bulshit this is.
“I live in the plague infested town of Bolton and have a close family friend of mine who is a nurse at Royal Bolton Hospital.
She told me by PM this 2 days
ago (on the understanding that I didn’t screenshot it) “the hospital is
like a ghost town now, we have dozens and dozens of empty beds, (which is
unheard of at this normally very busy hospital). We had 5 dedicated CV wards, 4
are empty and the 1 remaining has 3 patients in it.”
She is petrified of losing her
job, as all nurses and doctors at the hospital were sent an email, stating in
no uncertain terms that they must not say anything on social media or speak to
the press about what’s been happening at the hospital in recent months.
The worst thing of all is that
the Royal Bolton hospital (like all others) has cancelled ALL operations and
treatments for the foreseeable future. 1000s of ppl are going to die because of
this. This is disgraceful and an unreported national scandal.”
So I have a question for Toby whose efforts on this site are laudable and for which I am grateful: Now that TPTB (across the whole of Europe it seems) are bending over backwards to CREATE a second wave and another lockdown despite all the clinical evidence against an escalation of illness (not ‘cases’) do you really think that this is no more than a catalogue of incompetence and not a global agenda of some sort? Johnson, Hancock et al have all seen the figures we have seen, they know a second lockdown will be economic suicide (in whatever guise) and yet they insist on pursuing it, as do other countries. Are they all just incompetent? I work in the storytelling industry and no editor would buy that implausible explanation for a minute now given the narrative that has unfolded.
A global agenda by which who gains? And if there are global forces powerful enough to prevent democratic governments to function as democratic governments, then why go to all this trouble? There are easier ways than concocting something that is difficult to set off, even more difficult to control once set off, and yet so many “special people” seem able to see through it so clearly. The economic devastation alone, never mind the numbers of highly dangerous hungry people with absolutely nothing to lose, would give any wannabe world-leader-megalomaniac a total nightmare to control. Does that sound like good planning to you? It sure as hell doesn’t to me, the very opposite in fact.
A better understanding of politics may be required, certainly in the larger countries. The government now admits that it got it wrong, that it shut down the economy for no real reason, all by accident, then that government will fall. It will fall because it will get every penny it has sued out of it by those who have suffered because of lockdown. At the very least, that party will face annihilation at the next election. In most countries, expect criminal proceedings.
They fear a lack of a second wave not because of “global forces” or whatever nonsense the conspiracy loons have dreamed up today, but because they fear their electorates. And with good reason. Because they will be slung from power, and all those concerned will face inquiries, commissions and, in many countries, criminal trials.
This last bit is the bit I’m looking forward to.
But no conspiracy is required.
World Economic Forum members gain.
it’s even on their website in the open as “the Great Reset”.
The Great Reset. God how I hate that. Also the phrase Building Back Better is becoming more and more common … where’s that come from?
I’d love to think the end of your third para carried weight but I doubt it. But when you talk about ‘conspiracy loons’ you are pretty much doing the establishment’s job for them. The WEF exists, Davos exists, Face Masks For All exists. (Face masks for everyone on the planet, all the time. No agenda there? A massive symbol of compliance?) I was called a conspiracy nut when I suggested really early on that WMD was a hoax, how’d that play out? People who were fighting against the tobacco industry in the 1960s, claiming it was harmful to health and the public should be made aware, were called conspiracy nuts. At a time when many doctors recommended smoking. What happened there?
That the organisations exist doesn’t necessarily mean they are controlling things.
There’s a plot in the second radio series of Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy about a planet where the economy was driven past the point where it became impossible to build anything other than shoe shops (called the shoe event horizon). The people evolved into birds and refused ever to set foot on the ground again. Part of the story involves an evil shoe corporation which has what they call a “shoe shop intensifier ray” ostensibly designed to force the creation of shoe shops, but the truth is that the ray does nothing, the shoe event horizon is a sad, but natural feature of economics and the corporation has simply convinced themselves that they are responsible because it seems exciting.
Now, we know that some political movements do get the ear of some government ministers at some times – witness Michael Gove fawning over Saint Greta – but it’s a much bigger ask to believe that the entire political establishments of most countries have been taken over by these groups. Indeed, if they had, we’d expect their policies to be much more closely aligned instead of randomy authoritarian with some cross-influence (such as the way Johnson has followed nearly everything that Sturgeon has enacted). There’ll be some influence, certainly – I’ve no doubt that SAGE will have used faked research from face mask pressure groups to claim they are useful – but that’s not the same as saying that our government is actively pursuing an agenda set down by those organisations.
I thought I’d respond to you directly Nick but my comment turned out a bit too broad, might fare better upthread.
https://www.cadtm.org/No-the-coronavirus-is-not-responsible-for-the-fall-of-stock-prices
We are in the middle of a financial crisis and coronavirus has been used to cover up the reality.
The annoying thing is that even if a percentage of those doctors and nurses spoke up, you couldn’t sack them all and even if they did try to do that, surely it would trigger others in the profession speaking out in disgust as it potentially has meant a close friend, mentor etc being unfairly treated.
….this is an ideal world scenario, which as well know doesn’t exist anymore.
I’d quite happily crowdfund a protection fund for them.
Likewise.
And if the fund grew big enough, we could start an alternative health service dedicated to helping these who are ill. Novel idea, what?
What is the end game of all these empty hospitals? A conspiracy theorist would say this is a means of killing people by negligence as part of Agenda 2030 and the green agenda’s population control. Threatening NHS staff with unemployment for speaking out is sinister and the actions of a despotic government.
But when have you ever come across an extermination programme where they didn’t care who the victims were or even if they might end up amongst them themselves? Genodicial maniacs usually target particular groups, sometimes ethnic or religious, sometimes based on a perceived threat to the regime. Closing hospitals to regular patients doesn’t do that – it means that the victims are more-or-less random other than there being a bias toward the elderly – and could easily include themselves if the shutdown prevented them being diagnosed with a cancer that is treatable in its early stages.
I mentioned yesterday that a girl i know 22 years old died because she didn’t get the transplant she needed, a transplant of an organ from her sister i might add. One of the shills pretending to be on our side called me out on it like i was lying. It’s horrendous. I don’t what it’s gonna take to sort this out. And watch out for the “friendly” posters whom i believe are at work for the state to so division.
Are you breaking the law at all, KH? From memory, I don’t think you are – guidance maybe – but not law. In which case you are ok with the police, if they turn up. Snitchers are still twats, though.
exemption to the rule of 6
so, lockdown sceptic support groups would be legal if ‘formally organised’
It could also be applicable to people who need support from the stress brought on from what the government are doing, there are a lot of people like that now.
this is a better idea. if lockdown is causing you stress then join a lockdown support group. could hold your meetings in ‘spoons
or any other form of support.
That’s the good bit!
Very good to know. I am trying to get an anti corona support group going in my town. With hopefully the extra agenda of planning political pressure.
As usual, Laworfiction has good stuff. Further to Suey’s good comment about risk assessments:
It is essential to appreciate that the health and safety assessment required is not of the risk of transmission of the Covid-19 virus. The assessment required is of the risk of significant danger. Those are fundamentally different issues.
For illustration, risk of transmission of a common cold or flu virus may be high, but the risk of significant danger to the staff is extremely small.
Results of a survey FYI
A massive 5,416 people took part in the survey including:
1,375 members of Keep Britain Free2,621 people who followed KBF on social media or used the website1,420 people who do not follow KBF who will have seen retweets of the survey request.
The survey was designed to represent the views of people who are unhappy with decisions the UK government has taken in the past six months. We think it is the most comprehensive survey of its kind at this time. Response so far has been very positive.
My top findings are:
9/10 people who took part in the survey are extremely concerned about the ways in which the government has taken decisions in the past 6 months. 9/10 think decisions have been taken by the UK government in the past 6 month in an illogical way, 8/10 inconsistently.When asked who they think had the most significant influence on decisions taken by the government, scientific advisers outranked MPs by more than four to one (selected by 8/10 and 2/10 respectively).A third of those working are unsure of their future.Three quarters would like a specific/named GP who they are able to see when they need to do so; three quarters would like in person consultations.Amongst those with school age children more than 9/10 (94%) thought it was safe for children to return to school. Only 1 out of 1,652 parents felt school was unsafe due to Covid.98% agree we need to restore joy to life.97% agree the government willneed to work hard to restore trust.
Heartbreaking.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Vicster82/status/1305213969997729792
Ian Brown is tweeting again. Good lad.
So im a Conspiracy Theorist HA! a term invented by the lame stream media to discredit those who can smell and see through the government/media lies and propaganda #researchanddestroy
Do you know, Ian makes it look effortless. Partly because it is. Good for him.
Can anyone with a DT account explain what this story says please?
Curious as to why the French are carrying on regardless but at the same time France are being held up as an example to us to justify draconian rules.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/france/articles/postcard-from-france-record-cases/
Keep Britain Free: Life Post Covid Report
Results of the Keep Britain Free survey on Life Post Covid, that will be submitted to the House of Lords Life Post Covid committee.
A massive 5,416 people took part in the survey including:
The survey was designed to represent the views of people who are unhappy with decisions the UK government has taken in the past six months. We think it is the most comprehensive survey of its kind at this time. Response so far has been very positive. Top findings are:
https://www.keepbritainfree.com/post/life-post-covid-survey-results
Why has this excellent article not been given the right of user comments? Is it becasue the DT know that everyone on there will batter the Government? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/14/boris-johnson-must-bin-rule-six-stop-panicking/
The fact that the DT are now publishing this shows some change over last week or so.
Take the DT with a pinch of salt. They’ll post a new article shortly after this one blowing smoke up his arse. All they do is gaslight their readers which is why I cancelled my subscription.
At least they are giving both sides of the argument, unlike the BBC and the Guardian which never publishes any sceptical commentary.
Yeah it’s annoying how they chop and change. I understand how columnists work but the main news side of the DT is crackers!
The Torygiraffe excels in blowing both ways.
Is Boris panicking though, or is he being ordered to do what he’s doing
Ordered by whom?
Powerful interests, which I suspect got at him with their orders when he was “ill in hospital”. We know the IMF tried to bribe Belarus into maskist-lockdownism.
So the IMF is trying to take over the world then?
Not the IMF specifically but this does seem to have been exploited by the big global orgs and their backers to push their agendas. Not saying that’s definitely true as not every country is in line. But I have been very suspicious.
Oh there are people pushing their agendas all right, but that’s not the same as giving the orders.
True, they might not be issuing blunt orders but they can still have vast influence to get their way. Of course the main event could still be a giant global groupthinky cock-up followed by cover-up. It just all feels really cynical though.
British government is ordering vaccines for billions of pounds. So it seems that ministers are on the take. It explains everything.
100% they would not ccomply with lockdown so the usual suspects were sent in to stir the trouble up. Noticed how the msm are whipping it up over here also..
WHO, IMF and World Bank all pushing this pandemic narrative and how they expect countries to handle it.
The general thesis is here from PM Castex
“We are, he said, going to have to learn to live with Covid, which will be with us “for several months”. It is up to the citizens to be responsible and behave themselves in line with preventive guidelines – and for local authorities to impose such restrictions as they feel necessary in their own districts.”
The theme is – there will be no 2nd lockdown; life goes on uninterrupted by Government; sport with crowds is resuming
So the French know how to Keep Calm and Carry On – if only they had a word for insouciance!
Here is the Sumption interview on Today this morning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mkgy
Starts at 2H17m.
Theme tune suggestion:
You can’t argue with a sick mind – Joe Walsh (album)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8a8cutYP7fo7GwIE-1AS4bKEJmumWZtS
Bastards.Similar attacks on businesses and individuals regularly appear on a FB page in my town.The spite,vitriol and sometimes calls for violence or intense nazi style police action are unbelievable,a lot of these people are dangerously deranged.The moderator of the page must agree with the comments because even if I report them they are never removed.
A guy in Sainsbury’s complained to a staff member about me not having a mask. The guy clearly had mental health issues. The Sainsbury’s guy defended me. He didn’t know there were exemptions. So, as directed by Cressida Dick, people with mental health issues and people ignorant of the law are essentially enforcing draconian laws on their neighbours.
A comment from a forum that I frequent:
This person is a pilot, so obviously not a thicko. I can’t tell you how angry I am that people are being made to feel this way.
Its sad that the propaganda is working this way, but if they feel that way, they should stay at home, while the rest who don’t feel that way should live normally. The government has lost the plot and it’s no accident.
Someone who hasn’t looked after their mental health thinks people should listen to them….
CORRECTION: This person WAS a pilot, because civil aviation will not exist after the sick, twisted mentality that they are exhibiting has run its course and completely destroyed our society and economy. Fucking prick deserves everything they get.
You beat me to it – I was going to make this exact point!
Not the pilot of any plane I’m ever on I pray. “Don’t worry about the turbulence, I’m dealing with it by crashing the plane.”
Obviously sucking information from thin air
I expect he has a nice abode with garden, which makes the self-isolating lark a bit easier.
One wonders how his immune system will function if he ever emerges..
Yes, I recognise which forum you are talking about. There seems to be a large number of contributors on there who have taken to the official line 100% which seems to be strange when most are highly technically qualified. However a few sceptics seem to stick their neck out from time to time.
Gee. What a miserable git.
What is their long term plan? To stay at home forever?
Hi everyone, this is my first comment after lurking for while here. I have just read Lord Sumptions article and I noticed a distinct pattern in the likes, in the comments section.
I had a look at the first 20 comments 7 were negative, 2 neutral and 11 positive. The negs had a total of 6 thumbs up I.e less than 1 per comment by contrast the 11 positives had 217 likes or nigh on 20 each.
I know it’s just a straw in the wind, but hopefully it’s a sign that things are starting to go our way.
Welcome and say much more .
Leafletting. Leaflets. Leaflets. & Pamphlets for those who don’t know what a leaflet is.
Vernon Coleman website has leaflet texts ready and prepared.
http://www.vernoncoleman.com/main.htm
Look under the Health button on the left hand menu if you don’t land on the correct page from the link above.
I think the way to go here is with facts and data mate. Calling it a hoax from the off isn’t going to persuade Joe Public to read it, even the more scepticle ones.
I do agree on the leafletting campaign though, we gotta get out and in peoples faces before it’s too late.
At the risk of thinking for you I’ve taken the liberty of not copying the word hoax. See how it turned out?
Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA
I can demolish the whole coronavirus nonsense in less than three minutes. Everything in this list can be verified.
1. Many doctors, including Dr Fauci, the American coronavirus supremo, have admitted that the risk of dying of the coronavirus may be similar to the risk with the flu.
2. The flu can kill 650,000 people a year around the world. Even though governments everywhere have admitted fiddling their totals, the covid-19 death total is only now approaching the global flu total.
3. Here’s how they fiddled the figures. In the UK, for example, anyone who tested positive for the coronavirus and subsequently died, was officially a covid-19 death – whatever else they had wrong with them.
4. The vast majority of those dying of the coronavirus were over 80 and had many other health problems. The risk for fit, young individuals is very small. The risk for children is smaller than the risk of being hit by lightning.
5. Research has shown that masks are dangerous, don’t prevent the spread of infection and almost certainly do more harm than good. The virus can go straight through the material of a mask. And mask wearing affects blood oxygen levels. At least two people have died through wearing masks. I’ve quoted figures and papers on my website http://www.vernoncoleman.com and in other videos on YouTube.
6. Many of those promoting the coronavirus horror story are linked in some way to the vaccine industry or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation – which itself has strong financial links to the vaccine industry. For example, the Chief Scientific Advisor in the UK was formerly a senior executive at GSK – one of the big vaccine makers.
7. The British Government has admitted that at least four times as many people have died as a result of the lockdowns and other control measures as will have died from the coronavirus. The remedy has been much deadlier than the disease. Millions are waiting for cancer tests and treatment because hospitals were closed. And some hospital departments in the UK are still closed.
8. Neil Ferguson, the man whose predictions led to the lockdowns had produced a number of inaccurate predictions before he made wildly pessimistic predictions about the coronavirus. His track record is appalling. The college where he works has financial links to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and vaccines.
9. Exactly the same mistakes have been made in almost every country in the world. For example, sick old people were taken out of hospital and dumped in care homes – resulting in tens of thousands of deaths in each country. That couldn’t be a coincidence – so it had to be a plan. If you remove the care home deaths from the UK total you end up with a maximum of around 20,000 deaths (though that is a massive exaggeration because they included flu and anyone who tested positive) which is much smaller than the annual flu death total.
10. The number of people who have caught the coronavirus worldwide is now said to be around 10 million. But the flu can affect 1 billion in a single year.
These are facts which cannot be disputed, though they are being suppressed. Print out the list and give copies to doubters. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would still want to wear a mask once they are aware of these simple facts.
Copyright Vernon Coleman August 2020
A few comments.
(3) is incorrect. This is not how deaths in the UK were reported.
(4) is incorrect. The ONS figures for deaths in England and Wales involving COVID-19 registered up to 28 August 2020, by age group and sex
Men under 85: 18650; 85 or over: 10118
Women under 85: 11557; 85 or over: 11957
Total under 85: 30107; 85 or over: 22075
(7) is an illogical comparison. Comparing deaths from different causes under lockdown tells you nothing about whether death tolls would have been greater or less under some other scenario.
Loads of leaflets, what is going to stop any of this, can we? Can’t believe even the most fanatical covid believer wouldnt want to at least question what is happening
It is a scientific fact that there is no Covid-19 test. The RT-PCR test being used by governments can only ever report the presence of genetic material in a sample. It cannot report anything about the nature of that genetic material present and there is a myriad of sources of generic material in the fluids sampled from the human body. It is a scientific fact that no Covid-19 novel virus has ever been identified because no such virus has ever been purified, electron-micrographed, and genetically sequenced. So there is nothing to compare the RT-PCR generated positive sample to in order to claim a Covid-19 positive test return. Thus, ALL reports of positive Covid-19 patients are false; every single one of them. But everything is being reported by government and the media as Covid-19 positive. Moreover, 99% of alleged Covid-19 cases are mild, and 99.85% of all cases fully recover. Of the 0.15% that do not fully recover, those that have died mostly in their 80s, 90s, and over 100 years of age and most with other illnesses that have weakened them; precisely those who die all the time from influenza. It is impossible to prevent all these people from dying from influenza. In even finer perspective, 1.6 million people die every year around the world from tuberculosis, 1.4 million children under 5 die of pneumonia every year, every year up to 1 billion people contract influenza and up to 650,000 die from it. Tobacco kills at least 3 million people every year and similarly for alcohol abuse. In Australia, about 430 people are admitted to hospitals across the country every single day for acute alcohol poisoning and if not for medical intervention most, if not all of them, would die. But there have been no gaol lockdowns for influenza, tuberculosis, tobacco, or alcohol, and no frantic efforts to produce miraculous ‘vaccines’ in a few months for any, when actual vaccines take at least 10 years to develop and must undergo extensive testing.
Agree. We are on a very short timeline now to stop this getting worse and turning it around.
All of which adds up the to the greatest crime against humanity in history.
Just to point out that either you’re using most of the words in that sentence in a rather idiosyncratic way, or an awful lot of people (some of whom I actually know) are lying their heads off.
Can you expand on this?
My understanding is that numerous scientists, and as I say I know a few, have claimed to have done all of those things. Perhaps it’s some verbal quibble, or perhaps all those claims are false. Or perhaps the post is simply incorrect.
Nicely put.
You’re the sort of prat that give people like Toby a bad name.
Covid19 is the disease caused by the SARS-Cov-2 virus.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0997-y
The test is too sensitive and is producing lots of false positives. However, the virus (SARS-Cov-2) is clearly real.
PS: Jimmy, I apologise for the first line of my comment.
We’re all frustrated and the situation is very confusing.
Great post
This new party I keep hearing about needs to up and running, making noise and going for the jugular before the end of the week. It needs to get a groundswell of members/supporters officially signed up and also encourage those members, who are members of the useless big 3, to cancel their memberships and explain to their lords and master why.
The window he is very short. If that sunset clause doesn’t get invoked then we’re well and truly screwed. This isn’t going to stop at the “rule of six”, they’ll be coming at us on the internet.
Come on Toby, us plebs are itching to get going !
Agree. We need this up and running and in the news challenging the narrative
Surprised to get a reply to my letter about Sturgeon using Covid to unilaterally extend her powers from Alister Jack – Secretary of State. He addressed the question and it’s not a stock reply. He seems pretty switched on to the issues.
Can you quote?
Roughly that Westminster is sovereign, and can legislate on any issue, it is only by convention that it doesn’t intervene in devolved matters. (Meaning to me that they would if need be…)
Pretty depressing experience this morning going for a chest x-ray (cancer). The receptionist waved a mask at me but I said I can’t wear one so she very politely said “that’s fine, we just have to ask”.
Waiting room with nearly 40 seats and about 7 or 8 masked victims sitting spaced around it, big red crosses on all the other seats. During my half hour or so wait, three people (all of them not particularly healthy looking, one in particular elderly and shuffling, with a walking stick, and clearly not breathing well through the mask though probably due to underlying issues rather than the mask itself but presumably that doesn’t help) were told they’d turned up too early and asked to return in 15-20 minutes as the waiting room was “a little crowded”(!)
Rules over humanity, basically, and stupid pointless rules, at that.
I agree with your observations. As a frequent flier in health environments, I have the utmost respect in general for the individuals I deal with.
But the top-down inversion of normal medical ethics that you outline and I too see is quite incomprehensible. The normal harm/benefit equation has been thrown out the window, let alone any realistic assessment of risk from a fairly ordinary virus that has clearly virtually disappeared into the statistical noise.
Clearly in the NHS it’s mostly institutionally imposed and very difficult to fight, for any individual. But a fair few of the staff are true believers as well, including even among the senior clinical staff. As you rightly say, it’s the reverse of what medical ethics should dictate.
Some big questions to ask of the medical profession if and when all this is over, I think.
After WW2 there was a doctors’ trial, calling some of them at least to account for their monstrous betrayal of the ethical standards of their profession.
Unfortunately, so far the lawyers haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory….
Ah,the BID bitch,I knew she would have to get involved !,I hope you gave her both barrels and some !,god forbid that the chairwoman of business improvement might actually stand up for a business !.
Stick with it Kh,you are an absolute hero for keeping your business going with compassion and sanity whilst all around you are evil people trying to bring you down,I am certain that the overwhelming majority of your customers really appreciate all of your hard work and whilst most of us on here are too far away to be with you physically,we are all with you in spirit.
She really is a clown !.Glad to hear some common sense from a moderator for once.
Have you reported the Facebook group to Facebook? If you haven’t then I definitely would, and I wouldn’t go easy on them either. I’d mention that the posts contain bullying, harrassment, threats, slander or defamation, and that Facebook by hosting the group is liable and that if the posts are not removed within 24 hours you will be taking legal action. I’d also make clear that you’ve had harassment in person as well due the posts in this group.
We were promised it would all be over in three weeks.
Seven months later we find ourselves living under a dictatorship
The safest option might to be to leave the country and see how this things develops
I know people who have left for these reasons
This may get a lot, lot worse
To escape with your life may be the best you can hope for
If/when we go all the way into the dystopian hell of permanent totalitarian technocracy, to escape this place with my soul intact is the best I am hoping for.
Where did they go?
Narnia
Yes, but where to go? If this is part of a worldwide conspiracy even Sweden may not be safe forever. The future looks increasingly like it’s going to be health passports to do virtually anything, together with massive surveillance and control of populations. I’m not sure there’s anywhere to go.
There is one thing about this utter madness that you can’t deny, and that it’s not amusing and entertaining.
We went to visit our elder son and his partner last Saturday and of course the usual ” wash your hands and social distance” bit ( I always pretend to wash my hands/sanitize) in these situations
My wife had purchased a car a few days before and of course our son and his partner went to look at it.
Now comes the amusing bit, she “social distanced” from the car.
I rest my case!
I’m banned, apparently I mentioned that there are always ‘anomalies’ in health, ie young who are affected by something or other.
ie when given an example of one ‘younger’ person
For the young to act like this…do they not read around the subject (no offence intended and no reflection on your efforts to educate them).
Has anybody suggested the COMMON SENSE PARTY?
Don’t think that would fly because common sense is now banned.
How about The Party’s Over Party ?
Ye – it’s a rubbish title – since all the mask wearers would claim ‘common sense’ as a justification.
… and indeed ‘blind prejudice’ is another term for ‘common sense’.
Statistical insight and concepts of real risk and probability have never been a feature of ‘common sense’.
AGREED, I see your point.
Back to the drawing board.
Open Britain Party?
the Herding Cats Party?
the Safe Party
the confidence party
I did on here, yes.
I have just read what Will picked out from the govt consultation paper about the unlicensed vaccine. A number of us have posted about this in recent weeks, but there are no end to the horrors which continue to reveal themselves:
If manufacturers are asked to supply an unlicensed medicine… it is unfair also to ask them to take responsibility for the consequences of the use of that medicine in the way that they normally would
Crikey !
As I told them (across several replies) in the consultation, if it’s unlicenced, hasn’t been rigorously tested, is administered by an unqualified person, those responsible cannot be held to account if it goes wrong, and the law must be amended for it to be administered, then I don’t want it.
Good for you ! I have noticed that, in spite of the rise in pro vaccine propaganda, the number of people unwilling to have it is rising.
Who are these morons and why are they running your country?
Police brutality in Melbourne. A man is run down by the police and then they stamp on his head:
https://twitter.com/melbprisoner/status/1305339140003696641
According to this the man is now in a coma.
We are many. They are few
So they say, but it doesn’t feel like that in Melbourne at the moment. I am only allowed out for 1 hour a day, but when I when I do go out, there are police everywhere, menacing and looking for trouble. Police helicopters overhead day and night.
Disgusting – how long before they start shooting people?
Not long
It’s for their own good though, to prevent them catching the common cold.
Don’t encourage them.
Shocking. It is has now become necessary to start recording on your phone whenever you see police interacting with the public
I heard an interview with Melbourne’s Chief of Police explaining why they don’t challenge BLM protests. Apparently it’s because they have a history of violence (as in USA) and Police Chief doesn’t want to exacerbate the situation. So just knock the shit out of peaceful protesters. And so the message is: Er, you don’t get what you want unless you are violent. Good thinking Batman. Can we see where this is going?
Another moron.
I just went for a walk. There is a new sign in the park that says “Nitrous oxide is no laughing matter”.
I demand a full hard lockdown and strict curfew until all nitrous oxide deaths globally are eradicated. I want the NHS to deal with nitrous oxide cases only. All other treatment must stop immediately. All functioning society as we know it must cease until nitrous oxide is a thing of the past.
Stay safe folks and ffs wear a damn mask if you’re around anybody inhaling nitrous oxide.
a lot of people die ‘with’ athletes foot. I don’t think it gets enough attention. 600,000 people die a year in the UK after a positive athletes foot diagnosis
you can tell who is taking NO2 as they are the only members of the public you will see these days laughing
It’s N2O. NO2 is nitrogen dioxide and is a nasty brown vapour which wouldn’t have you laughing at all!
Diesel exhaust?
sorry … so used to writing CO2 on climate sceptic sites
Some SAGE members steadfastly refuse to admit that they have been wrong all along, despite all the evidence now staring them in the face (most notably, the data from Sweden). Sadly, no one in the government seems to have the scientific literacy either to challenge these people or to seek a second opinion from experts such as Anders Tegnell, Carl Heneghan and Sunetra Gupta. To listen to the temerity of some SAGE members (Peter Openshaw, for example) you would think the cabinet is simply there to do as SAGE commands. Why does the government put up with these people? The sheer incompetence of Boris et al. is compounded by the fact that several SAGE members barely disguise the fact that they hate conservatism and would happily destroy it.
SAGE is not ‘Scientific’ if it argues against the evidence
Sadly, “non-scientific” covers many scientists these days.
Well, I have a degree in a science, but I wouldn’t call myself a scientist.
I think the label is highly questionable when it comes to committee types, like those who sit on SAGE.
And individuals such as Neil Ferguson, I would not classify as “scientists” anyway. He’s a computer modeller with a physics degree.
Usually in science, the more that people study, the more specialised they become.
So it would not be reasonable to suggest that a physicist would know anything about chemistry and vice versa although they are both scientists.
And it would not be reasonable to suggest that an organic chemist would know a huge amount about crystallography, and vice versa, although they are both chemists.
Does Neil Ferguson validate his models on Minecraft?
lol, they might be more accurate if he did …
Snakes & Ladders.
instead of having the “alternative SAGE” who are just a bunch of left leaning agitators, we need a “Real Alternative SAGE” . with scientists who are not satisfied with what is happening
Basically to act as a Red Team
This should be mandatory for any government decision making.
Wasn’t it fatso dePfeffle who finally decided to come out for Brexit after writing separate essays pro and anti Brexit and seeing which looked best.
They’ve probably succeeded in destroying the “Conservative Party”, but that will only leave a gap for a new party to fill.
I think that Oswald Mosley’s party before he formed the National union of fascists was called the New party.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
(I’m not a Labour supporter either).
The Twitter replies to Peter Openshaw’s greatest about everyone getting tested every day are a joy to behold. Uniformly anti mass testing.
Snooping and reporting rule of 6 breakers is advised https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54142699
talk about making a rod for his own back. Malthouse will now be under surveillance
Magnificent Seven? Secret Seven? Nope we need Blakes Seven
Every Christmas we opened a Party Seven, guess that’s out the window now
Six out of seven dwarfs are not Happy
There is also to be a remake of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.
bit too much gender stereotyping there !!!!!
And the week needs redesigning. Seven days so close together … scary.
https://twitter.com/planetjedward/status/1305475081800482816?s=20
Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that celebrities are entirely synthetic, and are completely in the service of the system. The sub-humans posting supportive comments deserve maximum pain and suffering, and they will get it too.
Ian Brown – Kiss Ya Lips (No I.D)
https://youtu.be/_Gz9Tt8AW7U
Oh, dear….
PCR gives neither infections nor cases.
It is designed to pick up specific sequences of the genome of the SARS-Cov-2 virus that only that virus has.
The problem with that is obvious, however.
The specific sequence that the PCR test picks up may not be of live virus. It may just be a piece of “dead” virus, not infectious “live” virus. The infection may have passed even several months ago. It is way too sensitive as used in the UK. So a positive test does not equal infection.
A “case” occurs when a person presents with symptoms of the disease that the SARS-Cov-2 virus produces. That disease is Covid-19. So again, a positive test does not equal a case.
All the PCR test does is confirm that the virus (SARS-Cov-2) has sometime in the past few months been present in the individual tested.
And if that person was never sick then the virus in them did not produce the disease Covid-19.
If the sensitivity of the test is reduced then it may begin to pick up people with live, infectious virus, but at the moment you can’t tell those from the ones just carrying bits of dead virus.
But in any event, the test (like all diagnostic tests) will never be 100% accurate.
The latest from James Corbett:
https://www.corbettreport.com/covid911/ – ‘From Homeland Security to Biosecurity’
Most of us have probably heard of Event 201 but I for one had not heard about ‘Crimson Contaigon’ before:
‘In his role as ASPR, Kadlec oversaw a joint exercise in 2019 named “Crimson Contagion.” The drill included the National Security Council, the Pentagon, the Department of Homeland Security and a raft of other government agencies and simulated the US government’s response to a viral pandemic originating in China and spreading around the globe. Like Dark Winter, the “Crimson Contagion” exercise took place just months before the events it was simulating began to play out in real life. And, like Dark Winter, it gave participants like Kadlec the chance to argue that biosecurity was a pressing national security challenge that the country was ill-prepared to meet—an argument that he made to Congress with Dr. Anthony Fauci by his side just one week before the first reports of the novel coronavirus spreading in China.’ ( https://archive.org/details/crimson-contagion-2019/page/29/mode/2up )
Fine, but what is your point?
Assuming this to be true, then okay, you would probably expect the authorities to model what might happen in a pandemic originating from China and how they would deal with it.
Especially. given that about a quarter of the world’s population live in China and this is where other recent pandemics (SARS, bird flu) came from.
That doesn’t mean that it’s all part of some devious plot for world domination.
so you keep saying but the uniform tyranny all over the world possibly might say otherwise
Unless my ears deceive me Lord Sumption called Matt Hancock a gimlet-eyed fanatic on Talk Radio this morning.
Pass it on
Not quite, but close enough to it for there to be no doubt as to what he meant. He very politely said that the government didn’t have a fe**ing clue.
Well, Sumption is a gentleman. Far too polite!
Would you believe; Myself and Jonathan Sumption were born on the same day (9th December 1948) but that’s where the similarity ends, well apart from our attitude to the lockdown.
It’s alright for you, I share a birthday with Prince Andrew.
I truly pity you on that.
You are correct, that’s exactly what he said. He’s pretty cross. https://youtu.be/ipaeGea5OZE?t=527
At 9.35 into the clip- most unjudge-like language
The government’s vaccination consultation documents are heavyweight and I admit I haven’t much of a head for that. What do people feel are the most important things to comment on? I already can see the issues re non-responsibility if someone dies from the vaccine….what else should we focus on?
I said that a vaccine should be voluntary, and should not be mandated. There should be no waiver for responsibility for a new vaccine where the long-term effects will not be known for possibly years.
OK, it needs for me to be stuff I can easily relate to. The science angle is ok for me, I used to be in lab work. But the legal side really bugs me.
The non-responsibility if someone has severe side effects (or as you say, dies) is obviously huge, and this applies basically across the board – companies, marketeers, everyone involved in it. Very concerning. Also there is mention of recruiting large numbers of people to administer the vaccine, presumably only a small % of them might be previously medically trained. They too will be exempt from all liability. Big, big red flag.
This might help
https://www.anhinternational.org/news/uk-law-changes-for-covid-19-mass-vaccination/
No thanks to the bonkers, inhuman and draconian antisocial distancing and mandatory muzzling; our abysmal visitor figures has meant that my workplace has announced restructuring measures which will mean that more jobs will go. My colleagues and I are at risk at these proposals. I saw this coming months ago even before any redundancies were even announced.
Voluntary redundancy has been reopened in order to avoid or minimise the risk of compulsory ones. As I’ve said more than once this should never have happened and I lay the blame on Johnson. Wancock, Ferguson, Whitty and Vallance.
Also included in the blame are the lockdownistas who have swallowed the propaganda whole and seem to have little sympathy for those who are suffering from the effects of lockdown, social distancing and mandatory masking.I can only surmise that their fear has led them to lose perspective or because they’re financially cushioned that they have lost sight of the big picture.
What will it take for the government and people to wake up to the damage being caused by what was supposed to be a temporary measure?
Sorry to hear this. I went to visit a museum in the London area yesterday. On the way back into my flat in commuter land, I bumped into my somewhat dull next door neighbour*. He was not impressed to learn that I had visited an attraction and had fun (little does he know I’ve been doing this since June). ‘Why would you do such a thing…’ and so on. The interesting thing is he believes businesses, and leisure attractions are receiving high levels of government support and are in no danger at all. This might explain a lot of the mentality in this country. People are in for a rude awakening.
*I should explain a bit. My neighbour is a local, and in my commuter town, there is a big, big split between the locals and ‘incomers’, i.e. commuters and professionals. We lead largely separate lives and there is very little interaction across the barrier. Lockdown has made this problem worse as the chavvy locals seem to love causing social distancing and mask related upsets.
Where I work receives no government funding and every penny made from ticket and retail sales is plowed straight back to pay for our salaries and operations such as conservation work.
Even those that receive state funding are in deep trouble from what I’ve heard and like us are suffering from dire visitor numbers.
This is not going to end well.
When I’ve been in conversation with staff at London area galleries and museums, they have the problem of no high spending foreign visitors…! Very sorry to hear of your travails..!
Yep. We are all in the same boat and we also missed out on the summer holidays as well when we usually get families and coach parties from all across the UK.
New
The wonderboy Henegan ripping the dictatorship a new one in the Spectator
Legal question. Suppose your family comes over for Christmas and then your neighbour tips off the cops that you may have more than six people in your home.
So the cops come to your home to check.
Do you have to let them in?
I think there needs to be an established breach of the peace to force entry. Plus it would take a particularly miserable neighbour and police officer to do this at Christmas.
I’m sure such people exist in a country of this many people.
Would they need a warrant of some kind to enter? At which point your extra guest hides under the stairs or whips out through the back door for a temporary period.
They wouldn’t be able to get a warrant at such short notice but would have to rely on existing powers.
Keep an eye on the Liberty and National College of Policing websites. They are still updating to these new (idiotic) laws.
lol, well these days they don’t need much notice to pass a new law to suit them!
https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/understanding-the-law/Documents/COVID-19-Leicester-Regs.pdf
Bottom of page 5 – says the laws don’t give power of entry. This for the Leicester lockdown.
Now, this may have changed for the new national ‘six’ rules. Watch this space.
Any criminal solicitors / barristers / police officers out there who know the answers already?
Yes, but Christmas is still a few months off. If they want to then I’m sure they will change the law with the usual zero parliamentary scrutiny.
(Not that the Labour party would oppose them!)
cant let them in .. cannot have two turkeys in the house at once
You have some nice neighbours. Don’t you get along with them?
That’s a really stupid reply because it’s actually quite an important point.
If you know that you don’t have to let the police in then you can go ahead and invite whoever you like, and not have your family Christmas spoiled.
Thanks for the abuse. My point stands.
You may have noticed that this government is quite prepared to change legislation on a whim.
What the law says just now is utterly irrelevant.
If they want to make it legal for the police to enter your home at Christmas without a warrant then I am sure they will do so.
Do you think that the Labour Party will oppose them?
Happy now?
Actually it was you that was rude to me, and now you want to whine about it. Grow up.
My point about finding out the legal situation was perfectly correct.
You say the law might change before Christmas. So what? It will still be good to know what the law is when the time comes.
I would be very surprised if the police turned up for that. Maybe if there was a big party going on with loud music and people hanging out of windows.
Agreed but existing laws should cover that. So even less need for covid-specific rules.
No
Actually – that’s part of a really important question.
A brief run-down of actual police powers under the law would be useful.
A more likely scenario is someone with a grievance tipping off the police. For example, I can imagine my spiteful ex reporting me & my family having a normal Christmas with extended family. What can one do?
This was covered by a police Chief on radio interview on the day after the announcement. Police cannot enter without warrant etc. He said.
As others here pointed out they have excuses of in the interests of public safety. It would be a large step for police to enter a home on a tip from a neighbour over a family gathering. Not proportionate given the meetings and socialising happening in workplaces, pubs and transport, etc.
Why is Whitty always sweating like a rapist?
Because he’s a very guilty man?
Is that the best you can come up with? Personal abuse does not help our case.
Still doesn’t.
Perhaps he has a temperature an it is really COVID but he just has to carry on regardless, or he refuses to admit to himself that he might have a health problem.
Because he’s raped the truth.
I’ve always thought he looks ‘compromised’.
He realises what is going to happen when the (!) hits the fan on the other hand Hancock who keeps grinning, doesnt realise.
Eco anxiety?
Message to schools and universities, hold your nerve.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/germany-shows-it-isn-t-a-mistake-to-reopen-schools
Probably suffering from long covid
Unis won’t hold their nerve. From what I have been told they are safety-mad. Long after this bollocks has more or less gone, unis will be enforcing bullshit rules – who will stop them? They are independent.
That was a blast from the past, Mark Walport. This individual used to be our chief exec, I don’t think he’s been an active coal face scientist/clinician for many a year, so I’m not sure why he is mouthing off. We all thought it was a bit odd he was put on SAGE actually – the way it was pitched to me was he was there to listen and connect up any UKRI research (say supercomputers or crystallography) with university groups who needed help on their covid projects.
On that note, I’ve noticed an odd pattern in my field of scientists with some kind of ‘connection’ to the Oxford vaccine project, or have some peripheral technology they are trying to flog as coronavirus ‘tests’ being very keen on keeping the panic levels high. A few buildings on my site, some of these characters have managed to get face masks made compulsory. This is causing some resentment as ‘clerical’ and theory/computing people are quite comfortably sitting at home for the foreseeable, whereas experimentalists and technicians are having to sit there with face nappies on all day (needless to say this is ignored whenever Professor Big-Shot has absented himself, which is frequent)
My place is slowly getting back to work, no masks but strictly enforced 2m spacing. We’re being encouraged to go back, I suspect the civil service department above us is getting pressure to send us back.
Yes, i thought it was strange that Walport was piping up. John Bell too.
But thinking about it they are probably the most likely scientists in the country to toe the government line.
Also a warning shot to anyone trying to get money out of UKRI (aka everyone) what the party line is.
Good point, one of my colleagues just remarked the same!!
If by some miracle we manage to turn this around, can we honestly say with hand on heart that the vast majority of our species deserves to live in any kind of freedom and prosperity? The answer for me is a resounding no.
This has been a massive teaching for me. We live on a planet of cretins.
so true. sadly so. It saddens me greatly that friends, acquaintances & family I used to respect can now be counted in that number.
My family are still together. Despite some differences. Don’t have any bedwetter friends so that is OK. Got a campaign going on Faceache using humour. One “friend” just posted the recent Ivor Cummings video, quite unexpected and a real boost.
Same here!
Richard
It’s about incentives and long term thinking so I wouldn’t be too hard on people.
Disappointing and frustrating yes but we are dealing with a cult.
Or conformists hiding under the counter and waiting for it to just go away. Lots and lots of those.
When this ends, AS IT WILL, we’ll have to get on with the conformists somehow.The true cretins and zombies are another matter.
So it would seem. Selfishly, I want the majority to live in freedom and prosperity so that I can. Unless someone gives us some countries to inhabit, we’re stuck with the rest of them
This has been one of the most depressing things about this. Most of the population have no concept of freedom and believe absolutely everything the government and msm tell them, regardless of how little it makes sense.
Planet of the Cretins. A new, blockbuster film. Starring … The list is too long for this blog.
A lovely sunny day up here on Dartmoor. No masks in these parts of course but the shite continues. Even though we have had zero COVID deaths and only a handful of symptomatic cases the same rules of six apply. But none of us are snitches in our little hamlet, so if anyone wants to have a bit of a get together that will be fair go. Getting angry though now at what is happening elsewhere, especially in the towns and cities. Pictures of masked zombies roaming the streets is not what we want to see. So lucky to live where I am in deepest rural Devon.
BBC World at One getting very excited about the difficulty of getting people tested. Presumably this will be reflected in the statistics in due course.
OK, I guess the numbers still increase remorselessly. How else could current policies be justified.
Who was getting exited?
News presenter, Sarah Montague, and anybody that they spoke to. Plenty of vox pop, desperate for test, panicers
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mkhn
8:20 onwards
More of the same unpoliceable legislation that’s easily ignored. But more of the same tension racheting alarmism from “alternative” media. That’s how you can tell it’s controlled.
Keeping it simple:
Covid-19 in a nutshell
Interesting
This is more misleading gunk. Unless this person is going to quote from reliable sources then this is just a conspiracy theory.
“covid-19” is the disease produced by the SARS-Cov-2 virus. That is fact.
It has been massively blown up out of all proportion, mostly by the mainstream media.
I can tell no such thing.
What is this “alternative” media of which you speak? If you are trying to convince me of something, you’ll need to be blunter as I am a bit dense.
Normally there are 360,000 cancer diagnoses per year, about 1,000/day. Currently there are 500/day.
Normally there are 160,000 cancer deaths per years. Let’s see how many this year.
I take it that the figures you are quoting are for the UK?
Karel Sikora, UK’s top oncologist, and data from the CDC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFRR58D1oW0
Mmany thanks. I’ve always liked Sikora, such a nice man, but I suspect that he has a lot of splinters in his bum from all the fence sitting he has been doing.
Indeed it would be good to see him come out a bit more strongly, but he’s pushing in the right direction and less vulnerable to attack from lockdowners
They’ll never publish the truth
a bit of logic on twitter 99.972% of people in the UK did not die with Covid. Other countries around the same numbers.
Bit of a coincidence but 99.972% of accounts on Twitter aren’t real either!
If anyone would like to see a video about how ineffective/effective masks are, have a look at this one by a US doctor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPCgh4UkAU&feature=youtu.be
This, from the ‘other side’. Isn’t there something a bit odd about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s&ab_channel=UNSW
That looks good.
That Dr. John what’s his name (who j really get annoyed by) did a pro mask video a few weeks ago on YouTube. He is a mask lover of the highest order following his own confirmation of his own self bias.
I actually tried to replicate his conclusions and could not. I could easily blow out a candle with and without a mask.
I concluded that if I wanted to do a video that shows a mask to be effective it would be easy to pretend that your blowing a candle when your not.
It’s absolute horse shit it really is.
Bastards the lot of ’em
Sums it up perfectly
No it doesn’t. Too simplistic, and solves nothing.
sing us a song Bono. You, John Perry and others are shills, sitting doing the nasty work of a traitor
Didn’t say it solved anything. It’s sums it up perfectly though.
Just walked on London Bridge. A few people were wearing masks despite being outside in such nice weather. All of them were young. I don’t get what they watch or read to be so brainwashed wearing masks outside.
2 people amused me: a young Chinese looking man had 2 masks on (cannot take any chances with this killer virus), another young Chinese looking man was wearing ladies tights under his shorts. Is he worried that he can catch the virus through his legs?!
Fucking morons. For me the presence of the zombies in the streets is effectively a permanent stay-at-home order.
But then they win, Richard.
Plus then there is the ‘lack of anyone sensible’ as examples for the masked, and the lack of like-minded people for the rest of us.
Was The Handmaids Tale a priming exercise for mask wearing?
Extinction Rebellion did a bizarre Handmaids Tale style protest in Downing Street last week. Very strange. I was also told by someone on a protest if you don’t wear a mask you can’t march with the main protest you have to follow them! Unbelievable level of virtue signalling.
It’s when you see muzzloids driving alone that gets me!
We should put stupid awards on their windscreens if we know where they live, let them figure it out!
Had a couple of young Chinese men approach us at a central London anti-lockdown protest yesterday, they were both lockdown sceptics and wanted to attend the next protest. Gave me so hope that they don’t buy into the fear propaganda!
Are any of the protests getting much coverage in the MSM yet?
The only time they are covered is to demonise them. UK media even defend and support the Melbourne police! (but criticise the Belarus police acting similarly).
Trafalgar Square protests are scheduled for Saturday 19th and 26th. I have a feeling the media will extensively cover these (the articles have probably been written already – evil anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, far right / far left ….) we need a really high attendance of everyday people from all backgrounds, races and ages to counter the MSM / Establishment propaganda.
I am going to this Saturday protest. I hope to see many people.
I can’t make 19th September, but I’ll be there on the 26th.
The BBC “covered” the last Trafalgar Square protest, if you call a piece without direct quotations of what was actually said, full of opinions about the far-right/conspiracy theorist nature of the attendees, covering.
I emailed Michael Wendling, of the BBC Disinformation unit, and his answer was that they are under no obligation to give a platform to erroneous opinions and some views do not merit airing and debate, and proceeded to make an indirect analogy with giving a platform to a mass murderer. He fully believes it’s his job to make sure the public believe the “right” things as defined by himself and the BBC. That unit should be disbanded, it’s a disgrace it even exists.
The BBC and mass media clearly see themselves as the thought police. I guess they have the George Orwell statue at Broadcasting House to remind them of the great work they are carrying out to achieve a 1984 dystopian style society.
The Ministry of Truth in 1984 was based off Orwell’s BBC experience.
Sort of. The Thought Police I think knew they were evil (certainly the Inner Party knew they were evil). The BBC really do think they know better. I suppose that kind of arrogance borders on evil.
And you got a response to your email? Wonder what he’d make of a flood of similar emails.
Propaganda Ministry.
They’ve likely realised our government over here is up to the same tricks as the government over there that they’re so glad to have gotten away from.
I think it depends on how tall you are, whether you are standing or sitting and possibly whether you have washed your legs for twenty seconds. Different rules apply if you have done all the above but are in a house or garden, except when working.
What about the turkeys? Seriously, what impact does the “rule of six” have on turkey producers, since a turkey is generally going to feed more than six (unless it is family of BoJo’s, perhaps). Should producers cut production now? Should people be cancelling / not ordering turkeys, in anticipation of cancelled Christmas? Are we going to end up with pyres of turkeys being incinerated, like what Ferguson caused to the cattle during foot & mouth? Will people be questioned for buying a turkey (planning an illegal party there, eh)?
Just mean you’ll be eating a lot of Turkey meals through the entirety of January!
I guess so, maybe a lot of turkey twizzlers on sale this winter!
It seems like a frivolous concern and yet it will have a HUGE impact on turkey producers. There is no forward thinking or strategic planning.
Exactly, they don’t think about all the knock-on effects of all these hastily and arbitrarily made rules. Of course, it’s not just about turkeys, just another example of boneheaded leadership.
What about the poor turkeys who’ve been masquerading as a government for the last six months?
It’s not boneheaded leadership, it’s deliberate.
Dear God, won’t somebody think of the turkeys!
Just got back from business meeting about an upcoming contract.
What fun.
Since my last visit a month ago they’ve introduced temperature taking at door and masks for all visitors, but strangely not for staff and some other stuff added.
Said I had an exemption (which I do) which kicked off a rumpus especially when I explained about exemptions (they were ignorant of them), who can question me (they were ignorant of this), what I have to tell them (they were ignorant of this as well), the legislation and fines (they were ignorant of them as well) and so on.
They aid they need to protect themselves from the 2nd wave and spike that is happening. I went through PCR tests and it’s medical uses and meanings, the number of cycles, death certificates and so on and then asked how did they justify their measures as mitigations as there is no science available that proves they work blah blah blah.
Also told them that as I’m half deaf then they had better be prepared to shout at me if they were wearing a mask so I can hear them properly.
Told them that if they wanted to leave then no problem, I’ll leave and that is that.
Suddenly it’s kicked upstairs and they all troop off, message becomes back meeting is going ahead and they were all sweetness and light – I think they actually looked at some of the websites I told them to see if I was lying or not.
After the meeting chatted to a couple of the people and found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the TV news and so on.
Had good chat and as I reeled off facts, numbers etc then they loosened up and did not turn into out and out sceptics but were definitely reassured that the virus is not killing half the population and they were not going to drop dead by me not wearing a mask.
then went to a smaller company – no bollocks, no bullshit just in, chat and out.
Seems like the bigger the company, the more management then the more bullshit.
“chatted to a couple of the people and found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the TV news and so on.”
I think that this is a crucial insight. In general, the majority of people (a) Don’t have the time or impulse and (b) Don’t have the skills for independent research.
That is why the capture of media for propaganda is so powerful.
I agree, which is why this is encouraging:
Headline Britons told to become a nation of narks
First line: Ministers today urged people to snitch on their neighbours
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8730095/Ministers-urge-public-report-neighbours-breaking-new-Rule-Six.html
The top comment is excellent
“I am not snitching on my neighbours unless dozens of people turn up for a rave otherwise forget it”
It continues to astonish, the way people who (think they) have a reason to apply the rules don’t bother to look them up. Worse than that, they make them up! There’s half a dozen key issues in your story that they didn’t have a clue about, yet you (and we) have.
“After the meeting chatted to a couple of the people and found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the tv news and so on”
Or as a friend of my son’s said to him “ The problem with this whole virus thing is that we are all intellectually lazy.” (Sceptics apart that is). “We can’t be bothered to ask the right questions”
Even a simple question seems beyond most people such as, “Why aren’t supermarket workers in masks when shoppers have to wear them?”
I asked a checkout lady in our local Morrisons if any of her colleagues had had the “covid ” since March, a resounding… no!
Our small company put sanitisers around, everything else is as before. And we worked all the time through the lockdown and nobody got ill. It might be the reason everyone is a sceptic.
They caught a Q ship when they caught you!
” found out they had done no independent research themselves but only watched the TV news and so on.”
Indeed – this is what I don’t get. I get political apathy generally, but not when your country has been turned upside down indefinitely. Bizarre.
“Seems like the bigger the company, the more management then the more bullshit.”
Indeed. I’m staying somewhere other than home at present, in an area with lots of ethnic minorities and small corner shops. I don’t think a single shop here has a sign in the window about covid. They just want the business.
Good work!
Want to join 3 other likeminded sceptics whilst they drink a beer in the local pub’s beer garden and chat about how mental CV19 is?
Well episode 5 of ‘The Real Normal Podcast’ (formerly Bedwetters) is here!
This episode we chat about Context.
How dangerous is CV19 compared to other things…plus we sample some lovely Timmy Taylors…enjoy!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
iTunes link: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/bedwetters/id1528841200
Good name.
Thanks! Moved away from Bedwetters as we wanted to encourage more listeners over.
It’s a savvy move.
Real Normal – I like it!!!!
“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA
I thought it was when you go to the Doctors for a repeat prescriptions and the Doctor says “You’re due a Prostate examination, I can do it now for you!”
No ,it’s when someone says “I’ll get back to you on that “
Or this:
Let’s not let cheap Americanisms creep into British life. We have enough already.
Government in the UK comes out of Parliament, and Parliament is formed from people we elect using a pretty decent democratic system.
Therefore government is the rest of us. And unfortunately the polls back the action.
We need to respectfully persuade, (bearing in mind that many people have lost loved ones) not sneer.
I don’t believe the polls though concede the majority are still broadly accepting of the narrative. HOWEVER, the people have been subjected to a deliberate, relentless, unprecedented, mendacious onslaught of propaganda from the government aided and abetted by the media, and the opposition have not opposed or scrutinised in any meaningful way, and neither has parliament. They were elected to make rational choices on our behalf, not to scare people into going along with arbitrary bullshit.
I try to “respectfully persuade” those of my fellow citizens who I feel are the victims of deceit. Those who are clearly pursuing agendas of their own and using this crisis for nefarious purposes, especially the government and the media, are not so much to be sneered at as condemned for possibly criminal acts.
“Government in the UK comes out of Parliament, and Parliament is formed from people we elect using a pretty decent democratic system.“
You are on doubly shaky ground here. First, what something “comes out of” doesn’t determine its worth. Second, the most you could plausibly say about the UK democratic system is perhaps that it is “pretty decent” compared to others, and that would be a mere matter of personal opinion.
When we are in the midst of what might well prove to be the worst peacetime disaster caused by government in recorded history is hardly the time to start trying to pontificate about silly theoretical democracy fantasies. Government is a thing in itself, not some kind of mystical representation of the will of the people, and not only is it pretty much unanswerable that a government can do harm, it’s arguable at the moment that we are seeing that government can do more harm than almost any other kind of actor in existence, given the consequences of the disastrous panic policies adopted this year by most governments around the world.
Indeed. Even if you leave aside the argument that the government has deliberately created, manipulated and perpetuated the “will of the people”, your defence of them amounts to “they are only following orders”.
Where was Parliament when the Government curtailed our liberty?
For me the key requirement of a democratic system is not so much that we elect people to govern, it’s that we can get rid of them (in due course) if they do a bad job. Unfortunately we won’t get the chance for another four years, if then, and Starmer’s lot are no better.
Some people aren’t intelligent enough to be be persuadable – especially those in Westminster and the 77th Brigade.
Just sent this email to my MP in Redditch
Dear Rachel
I am emailing you as a Redditch born and bred citizen regarding a very spiteful and unpleasant experience my wife had in our local supermarket. We had run out of the basics at home (milk, bread etc.) with the kids being back at school and lunches being made. Upon arriving at the supermarket, my wife and 16 year old son went in to grab some essentials. My wife does not wear a face covering of any sort due to skin reactions on the face which then lead to chronic body dysmorphia. While in the bread section, what I can only describe as, a very nasty and insidious elderly lady approached my wife and confronted her. My oldest son pointed out to this ghastly woman that the ‘scraggy bit of material’ covering her mouth, now centimetres from my wife’s face, was achieving nothing as she completely disregarded polite distancing from others. This woman went on to accuse my wife of being a ‘law flouter’ and followed her around the remainder of the shop. It was only when my son had had enough and challenged her, (he admits) firmly and with consequence if she persisted, that she ceased following them.
My anxiety about this mask nonsense and encouraging social ‘shaming and snitching’ is that neighbours are going to create rifts that will last a generation. My wife is a quiet lady and had I been there, this situation would have deteriorated very fast; I will NOT tolerate anyone, for any reason, bullying my wife!
I hope you speak out against both the policy and the attitudes that are leading to this dangerous and divisive future in our town; if you want to wear a mask, wear one but you do not have the right to challenge or insist others do the same.
Kindest regards
Jared
I doubt if your MP will listen, but well done for taking action. The treatment of your wife was disgusting.
Send a copy of the letter to your local paper.
Well done to your son and very sorry to read of your wife’s experience.
Well done Jared and well done to your son.I would also have a word with the supermarket telling them there is a nutcase trouble maker on the loose in their store and to make sure if they are not already to keep informing people over the tanoy about hidden disabilities .
What happened to your wife is appalling. Shame on that woman, I was bullied by one on the underground and I shouted at her to mind her own business which caused her to back off. Had you wife been built like a rugby player or a member of the BAME community I bet that Karen would have never dared approach her for fear of being beaten up or accused of racism.
Well done to your son!
Stunning and brave, calling for somebody else to call the police.
Good luck kh1485
Anyone else expecting a Clown Show christmas special? They might even have a fairy-lit tree in the background and tinsel on the podiums for extra irony.
Before that wonder how many Hancock’s and Johnson’s will be on bonfire’s this year
When is Guy Fawkes Day?
Was rather hoping for a re-run of the Two Ronnies. Or even Morecambe and Wise.
Making a comment in the local rag and they censored it….
Evil bastards
How many coronavirus tests need to be administered, on average, in order to get one positive result?
The government tell us that they have testing capacity of three hundred thousand. The government also tells us that there are roughly three thousand positive tests. According to my arithmetic, that means they are having to test one hundred people to find one positive result.
Given the fact that the test produces false positives, one would have thought this would have given the clever people in charge some cause to re-think their response to this virus. Yet, they apparently think the results are cause for even more fear-mongering and panic and restrictions.
If this is not a case of collective madness, it is a criminal campaign against the population.
The ratio of positive tests to tests remains constant around 1.4%. I believe that is also the false positive rate.
It has climbed a bit in recent weeks according to my calculation – it was flat at around 0.5-0.6% for a long time in July and August.
They can dial up the sensitivity and create more or fewer false positives as it suits them.
I assume this is what the private testing companies are doing. As cases fall they dial up the cycles. I expect they have convinced themselves this is morally right to ‘reduce false negatives’ – the fact that this is in their financial benefit will be wholly coincidental.
That’s exactly right. A lab using a maximum of 25 cycles will get far fewer positives than a lab using up to 45 cycles. A molecular biologist I was on a call with the other night has been trying to find out how many cycles our PCR tests in Ontario are subject to and she can’t get a straight answer. She heard 45 and, if true, it means we are getting a lot of false positive “cases” and we’ll be in this mess for a good long time. Nobody here seems to care that nobody is dying of Covid — in fact, a columnist in one of our national newspapers wrote last week that we shouldn’t get lulled into a false sense of security just because the numbers of deaths are so low! At least there was a lot of scepticism in the comments section, but it’s still rare here to find much scepticism.
I have just seen this, it’s fine to meet up outdoors if you shoot something!
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-rule-of-six-hunting-shooting-exemption_uk_5f5f4ad0c5b6b4850803110f?ncid=other_email_o63gt2jcad4&utm_campaign=share_email
Do zombies make good targets?
It depends, do you want an easy shot or more of a challenge?
Shoot the breeze or shoot the messenger
The rich and powerful are not affected by the bullshit rules they make up for others
True, and in rural areas you tend to find a lot of members of the constabulary in clay shooting clubs
Look on the bright side : it all piles up the evidence of the nonsense that is this pile of government shite.
This article alows me to try out a phrase I have wanted to for a a few days now. Forgive me.
Daily mail “GPs are ordered to see patients face-to-face amid fears vulnerable people are ‘having difficulty accessing doctors’ during the pandemic”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8729069/GPs-ordered-patients-face-face.html
The snivelling little shit-weasels.
Well put!
that is my tax money that is being wasted
I don’t buy those stats. It runs contrary to what I see out and about. I think it’s more even than that.
The victoria police are now head-stamping. Here’s the video. So far removed from right and decent that these actiins must be causing people to realise nazi facists are among us, not just in jack boots on the streets but in the briefing rooms and management structures.
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1305073375983726592?s=20
Could somebody in the know please clarify whether the COVID-19 test specifically tests for COVID-19 or for coronavirus in general?
No it does not. It only picks up viral fragments after they have been duplicated a number of times.
Hopefully you will get more clarification
The test is predicated on finding the RNA signature that is believed to be unique to SARS-CoV-2, the strain of coronavirus believed to cause Covid-19. This RNA signature is isolated then mixed with enzymes to convert to a complementary strand of DNA (reverse transcriptase). Using heat and enzymes, the synthethised DNA goes through a process of amplification, creating an exponential accumulation of detectable genetic content.
What counts as a ‘case’ of the virus?
By Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson
In the Spectaor
It tests for a few genes that are unique to SARS-COV-2 (the virus that causes Covid-19). You may get a false positive but not because of other coronaviruses.
Antibody tests on the other hand may give false positives because of other coronaviruses.
Montreal – huge demonstration against masks has happened. See the numbers
https://twitter.com/SVNewsAlerts/status/1304957995793690630?s=20
Wonderful. These kind of demonstrations coming soon, everywhere.
I live in Montreal. I filmed some of it. Hoping for even more protests in the weeks to come.
“A number of doctors have called for an end to the daily Covid-19 figures, describing them as a “self-perpetuating cycle of misery”.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-doctors-call-for-utterly-meaningless-daily-figures-to-be-dropped-1.4346550
Quite right. If they did a daily report on all the other horrible things that are much more likely to carry you off we would all end up locked up in our own homes and potentially banned from social contact and maybe even unable to visit our family at Christmas……oh no wait a sec….
They have all become hypochondriacs and they’re projecting their fears on us.
Nope. We need to see the stats daily. Information is power. Without the stats, we’d know nothing.
Note the way tgey are being delievered to an unknowing public. Remember the days of the rolling news singling out deaths and reporting Bob Johnson, 52, bus driver survived by 3 children and a moggy.. it is a death toll that is all. Add in the fudge of numbers it is control.
The numbers are information yes. We need them reporting and accessible. We don’t need the propaganda associated with them.
A good idea would be to communicate the data in a meanginful way to the public. Ivor Cummins could do the job.
One protest sign in Madrid said Nefasta. Here’s the King’s English version:
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/nefast
English: nefastTrends
Definition of ’nefast’Word Frequency
nefast in British English (nɪˈfɑːst)
adjective
literarynefarious, wicked
Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers
Re: the “incompetence” line I keep encountering amongst the spectical set:
[As far an “agenda” is concerned] I think destabilization is the goal. Harsher restrictions will lead to escalating troubles in the streets, which will lead to more incentives to keep existing emergency powers in place for longer as safety concerns lead to fewer reasons for the submissive majority to organize against tyranny-creep. Classic problem-reaction-solution strategy, eh? Everywhere this Hegellian farce is being demoed we see the same thing: the expectation is that a portion of the population will reject the new regime, and that portion is being made an example of (the “loons” as some like to refer to them) at the same time as the ruling-class makes it all but impossible to challenge the madness peacefully, through legal means. The streets will explode soon, perhaps in Africa, perhaps in Peru, perhaps in the Gulf, and when they do the lockdowns will only get tighter, and when the dust clears (it won’t take long) no one in power will lose any elections or face any criminal charges, and when the unrest spreads in middle-class Europe it’ll be much like 1980’s Iran, when the secular bourgeoisie awoke to find themselves completely trapped, victims of their faith in ‘the system’ which promised them an eventual say but which never seemed to have the time to get around to it, resulting in the snuffing-out overnight of a hundred years of hard-fought liberal gains and the disappearance and murder of millions of innocents. Some of our faith I think is comparable to theirs. They lost their country for it. Maybe we should stop coddling ourselves with bromides about ‘incompetence,’ people are more serious perhaps than we give them credit for. Henry Kissinger is not a one-off. We should try respecting our civilization’s adversaries rather than pretending they don’t exist, as though if given the chance we’d sort the matter out ourselves, believing as we seem to that the functioning of nuclear-power democracy doesn’t rely on infernal murderous machinery to operate at scale. It may be comforting to believe we’re being dunked on by overeducated fools without a clue and that there are no conspiratorial agendas at play but regrettably the “loons” have been pretty much spot on for the better part of a century, unless I’m totally schizophrenic myself – operation Northwoods, paperclip, mkultra, bluebook, Dutroux, Tuskegee, UFOs (recently confirmed by the US Dept. of the Navy), the Finders, Boystown, the Franklin affair, Epstein, Saville (implicating vast swathes of Downing-connected elites), WMDs, pesticide and food additive harms, autism, tobacco science, the sugar lobby, the Steele Dossier, the School of the Americas, underage DC prostitution rings (see Barney Frank), the killing of Nancy Schaefer, the killing of Dorothy Killgallen, the ‘Guinea Kids’ experiments in NYCs foster care system (pharma-connected, just nightmarish), and on and on and on – are any of these disputable phenomena? Have they not shaped the Western world in important and enduring ways? Do those responsible for them just vanish into the ether? Or do they and their acolytes carry on through the institutions, and are there things happening right now beneath the surface of our everyday lives equally as sinister and equally as far-reaching? You cannot explain what is happening righ now in terms of mass professional incompetence. That can’t account for the patterns of governance we’re seeing emerge; the uniformity is too lockstep, the policies are too similar, the wilfull blindness is too total. At some point we have to ditch our prejudices and wake up to the fact that we are being managed by forces who are smarter and more cunning than we are. Scapegoating goofballs and dolts like Wancock and Booris may make us feel like we have more control than we do but the events of this year I believe put the lie to that. The coincidences are just too astonishing to be accidental, in my view. Just because certain politicians may not have a clear idea of what it is they’re contributing to doesn’t mean that chaos reigns. Compliance takes planning.
Maybe, but as I keep saying I am not sure it’s top priority right now to agree on or determine the whys and wherefores. Focus on the message that the cure is worse than the disease, whatever the reasons. No other argument needed. Don’t muddy the waters.
I couldn’t agree more. Get rid of the bollox, and only then debate the causes.
Helps if you use paragraphs here.
Once you get civil unrest, you’ve lost control of the situation. If people are ignoring the laws of lockdown now, you’ve got no chance if you tighten the laws further. You just alienate even more people and increase the civil unrest.
This is why incompetence, arse-covering, just not looking outside the bubble, groupthink are all far more likely than conspiracy. Conspiracy requires everything to go exactly as planned. Nothing goes exactly as planned. The world’s best battle plan is only good until the first shot is fired, then it’s out of your control.
The uniformity to which you refer is indeed a lockstep. In case you didn’t realise, governments copy each other’s policies all the time. And on the face of it, lockdowns appeared to work in China, Italy and so on. It’s only when you drill into the data that the opposite becomes clear.
Look out the window – if you think the situation is under control, or planned, then you’re not looking out the same window I am. If this is conspiracy, prove it. Don’t point to gaps in knowledge and stuff bullshit in there, because it’s still bullshit.
Mike Graham and Peter Hitchens’ weekly chat on Talkradio. Good stuff as usual.
Peter Hitchens: The Rule of Six has ‘made Christmas an arrestable offence.’
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_x
War on restaurants from CDC
“Findings from a case-control investigation of symptomatic outpatients from 11 U.S. health care facilities found that close contact with persons with known COVID-19 or going to locations that offer on-site eating and drinking options were associated with COVID-19 positivity. Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results.”
But you need to read this also
“No significant differences were observed in the bivariate analysis between case-patients and control-participants in shopping; gatherings with ≤10 persons in a home; going to an office setting; going to a salon; gatherings with >10 persons in a home; going to a gym; using public transportation; going to a bar/coffee shop; or attending church/religious gathering. However, case-patients were more likely to have reported dining at a restaurant”
So no problems more than 6 at home,going to office,using public transport,going to bar/coffee shop, attending church, hair salon
Another Has-Been urging the public to snitch on each other
The couple next door have 3 children, this would mean I should report them each time their grandparents visit. Surely eveyone can see just how vile the suggestion is?
You would think so, but no they don’t!
They will see themselves as the good ones, and the lockdown rule-breakers as the bad people.
They need to remember one thing, people will not forget what they did if they find out!
Let me see what happened in 1944-45 as countries got liberated.. Oh yes, feathers, tar, shaving, and that was the lucky ones.
Head shaving would be a good start.
And use a blunt razor.
Yesp…just like back in the old days in his favorite countries of USSR and East Germany…Stasi and KGB and their army of informers. A close friend of mine grew up in E Germany and his father was in a ”re education camp” because his neighbors told the authorities he told a joke about the government. Let’s get back to it…#make London East Berlin 1974 again!!
Now Russia and the UK have swapped places.
Just proves he’s the arsehole I always thought he was.
He probably doesn’t get invited to his neighbours’ parties.
Not even to his own.
Not even for a bacon buttie?
Lol. Especially not for a bacon buttie!
Clearly history has taught him no lessons.
At one point one of these ding bats in parliament will do a Dominic Cummings and screw up. I personally can not wait. As for Pretty Useless Patel. She can do one too.
I wonder how many people want to go to Sweden in the next months as it appears to be the last beacon of hope and democracy. And finally we are going to a mask-free area without hysteria and terrified population! Definitely many of us will visit the country I guess.
Tourism will skyrocket there
flights from Heathrow for November around £80. That’s a good start.
I checked out airbnb in several Swedish cities. Sadly too expensive for myself. anyone for a flat/houseshare? Lived in Stockholm for 3 months some years ago, wanted to go back for a while now.
Russia is okay. It doesn’t get a good press as it’s still the West’s “official enemy”, but get beyond the anti-Russian propaganda and you find a good place to be. Few masks anywhere except on flights.
Re: Authorities/Experts/Establishment telling collaborators to “snitch” on neighbours (more than 6,etc)
There’s a Black country saying:”Lower than a snake’s bally(belly)
We think and know that there’s something lower than that, don’t we?
Hands, Face, Space, Rule of Six.
Listening to government ministers on the news programmes defending the new line, I could not but wonder if they are now taking their “advice” from some primary school teacher. They made no attempt to offer a justification based on scientific evidence, but rather simply asserted that the rules had to be simple so the public could comply.
I used to like watching Balamory with my daughter. The modern remake staring BJ, Matt etc is most disappointing. Although positively Patrick Vallance does make a fine job of Archie the Inventor.
Shows what they think of the people.
Just as when they doubled the WHO distancing space because we Brits were too stupid to understand the original.
Our bedwetting town council has made a fetish of the six-foot rule, but most people hereabouts don’t give a toss.
They are an incredibly arrogant bunch.
And then there was one https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8730829/UK-coronavirus-deaths-confirmed-Monday.html
Comments v sceptical
All comments on there tend to be sceptical, even the articles where comments are moderated.
Pathetic of the reporter on there to average out the figures so they look much closer to 3,300 rather than reflect they are 800 odd less than Friday’s ( from memory ) key words “on average” tossers.
“Government statistics show some 2,998 infections are now being recorded each day, on average. For comparison, more than 3,300 cases were confirmed on Friday, Saturday and Sunday”
From 300,000 + tests 99% of people don’t have any sign of Covid, even dead bits. Great news. Nope let’s ignore that and focus on the 1% who might have something, although most likely have nothing.
Yay! So happy to hear this!
I get so bloody angry. They’re NOT CASES! They are positive test results! Cases are symptomatic individuals who may, but not necessarily, have to be admitted to hospitals!
DavidC
Hence the recent media arse-covering by calling them “infections”
Infection is even worse as it implies the person who tests positive is actually infectious. A positive at 45 PCR cycles is a false positive and this individual is neither a case nor an infection. Language matters, and the misuse of language is one of the more insidious aspects of this insanity.
Just a thought – after hearing that the bbc is reporting that the government is encouraging snitching, I wondered if I might put a sign in my window to the effect that our household would not be taking part in this particular scheme. Anyone see any pitfalls with that idea?
Someone will snitch on you?
I won’t have committed a crime though (until they make it one!) just stating that we want nothing to do with it.
I fucking hate my neighbours but I would never rat on them, fuck the Stasi
We all need to take that stance, otherwise WHOever is running the farce will win.
Good for you! Well done.
DavidC
Here’s another tearoom owner you may like to contact:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8731137/Coronavirus-denier-investigated-police-BANNING-customers-wearing-face-masks.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_mobile_news
‘Denier’ has form which is why it’s used.
Cases in France and Spain falling. Doubling rate lengthened by 25% roughly.
These figures are always so misleading. But they broadly reinforce the message that any rises we are seeing are just the flickering of the embers. Dry tinder exhausted.
Can you explain some more detail on what this is saying about France and Spain.
The doubling rate means?
Not to comment on this, hotrod, but you were asking the other day about rising hospital admissions in the UK. Have you seen the couple of excellent posts today highlighting that the Welsh hospital admission figures are based on “suspected” covid. In the past two weeks Welsh “admissions” have made up a hugely disproportionate number of UK cases.
How many days it will take for the current infections level to double. It gives you an idea of how steep the increase or lack of has been.
So before the weekend it was all about France and Spain as the warning signs for a second wave. However it seems to have peaked somewhat and the idea of na exponential second wave underway seems absurd and was obviously alarmist.
‘Rule of six’. Another NLP term. Funny how it reminds of ‘Seven of nine’ from Star Trek – assimilation into the borg?!
DavidC
I think you have provided concrete evidence for hope.
Glad to hear it. Either the moderator sensed trouble, or he/she has a spine and some moral code
Any publicity is good publicity they say!
As it relates to the false positive rate … In the US in Sept daily tests have a range of 523k to 1,131K and the positive rate has been steady between 4% and 5.6% … it appears that no matter how many or few tests you do you will get about a 5% positive rate … seems like we’ll never get below 5% …
How does that explain Northern Ireland where it bounces along at 1 to 2% of 8000 or so daily tests?
It all depends on the number of amplification cycles used for the PCR tests. Many countries are going beyond the 35 cycles recommended at the top end, hence there will be more “positive” tests. Even 35 cycles is likely too many and 25-30 should be the upper limit. It is actually a quantitative test, so a positive at 5 cycles indicates much more virus than a positive at 40 cycles (which is likely a false positive).
Read the piece by James Fergusson (no relation…… I suppose he could be like Mycroft, Sherlock’s smarter elder brother) in yesterday’s LS, he explains all about false positives & why everyone keeps reporting the same percentage of positives.
https://dailysceptic.org/radical-uncertainty-and-government-innumeracy/
Absolutely brilliant newsletter today RE: the ‘sEcOnD wAvE’. That should be read out to Hancock, BoJo, Whitty the Witless et al. whilst they squirm and try to justify their measures.
In other news I’ve found some petitions on the UK Parliament website related to our cause. They’ll probably do sweet FA as per the pathetic response to the call to reverse the mandatory masks decision, but you never know.
Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination (well over 100k now so it has to be debated in Parliament – excellent): https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
Don’t make the wearing of face masks compulsory in public places in England – https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331174
Support Dance schools and venues that provide dance activities amidst COVID-19 – https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/328373
Do not make masks mandatory for children in primary or secondary schools in UK. – https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/332497
Repeal the Coronavirus Act 2020 – https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/313310
All signed
Well done for not backing down. Don’t let a PR crisis go to waste
My latest email to my MP, a junior Minister so no chance of a sensible reply….
Dear ………..,
I’m afraid the Government have gone too far with this latest infringement of our liberties. There is no science behind the arbitrary “rule of 6”. Asymptomatic “cases” are increasing due to massively ramped up testing and the false positive results of the flawed PCR test but hospital and ICU admissions and deaths are virtually zero.
I suspect there will be widespread flouting of this new law which again has been introduced with no Parliamentary debate.
I am unable to discern any Government strategy which for the record should be to shelter the elderly and those with co-morbidities and let the rest of us get on with our lives. Population immunity is the only way out of this mess and the Government needs to start trusting the British People rather than treating them like naughty children.
Kind regards,
I still believe it’s good to remind them someone is watching them
Well done!
What a shame the DT has not allowed comments under Carl Hennigans piece! It would be brilliant to see what the Chicken George’s make of the irrefutable logic!
Heneghan, my apologies.
Which article was that Jim j
Apologies for the delay –
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/14/boris-johnson-must-bin-rule-six-stop-panicking/
Took a break and a lunch time dip to cool off. Seems half the country are self isolating at the beach. Some in groups. I don’t that many are bothered about the dictators broadcasts anymore.
I don’t think I have more than 5 friend anyway…!
Imagine if they deploy the marshalls on the beaches. That could be quite funny having them counting numbers and asking “are you in the same household?”
By all means they can ask. but I will be telling them to GFT
There were beach marshals on D-Day, weren’t there ?
This has to be illegal harassment, surely?
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I knew that that remark about “live with the virus” meaning “self-isolate forever” was coming. In the first week of the Tour de France coverage the French Prime Minister was interviewed and asked why they were allowing the race to go ahead. His answer, that France has to “live with the virus”, was spoken from behind a mask.
And he spent the day with the Race Director, Christian Prudhomme, who was also wearing a face mask and tested positive the next day for the virus and had to self isolate.
Yes, I remember that, too. Interesting that Prudhomme only has to isolate for seven days. Isn’t it 14 days here?
In many ways I found him more encouraging than our PM though. They do at least seem to be clear that they aren’t going to have another lockdown so basically people just have to wait until they get bored of the masks. I had assumed that was the track we were on.
They have also just bent their own rules. It was two positive tests in a week for Covid meant the whole team got sent home. But after a few positives on the rest day after the first week, they announced they were going to “reset the clock”. So those teams won’t be kicked out if they test positive again.
It’s another rest and presumably test day today. I don’t know the results as I avoid the news but I’m hoping they won’t actually ruin the race by sending anyone home.
I don’t think they will. They know how big the race is to the sponsors and to the country. They don’t want to send any team home. They’ll just change the rules again if 2 or more test positive from a team or send them off for another test for confirmation and then that will come back negative.
Who’s your money on Roglic or Pogacar?
I agree with you about the race, but I’m a bit more worried about the situation in France. In several metropolitan areas they’ve made it mandatory to wear a face covering at all times in public, including outdoors. I hope that’s not what we have in store.
Hello,
I’m not going to comment specifically on the article as I haven’t read it yet. I would just like to record my congratulations to the staff of my local Co-Op here in Wales this morning (who as you know are now also required to wear a face nappy) for defying the socio-communist Welsh Assembly by wearing face Shields not masks.
As you could get a large banana round the side of the shield I don’t know who thought it would stop a Nano metre sized virus but hats off to them. Perhaps we should all see it as an example and stick to the law while finding ways to defy the law.
Staff in Tesco are also wearing shields, unlike the nappied sheeple who shop there. Instant compliance, what a surprise.
It was very quiet in Tesco hell for 4 pm. I only peered in, I do Click and Collect, haven’t been inside a supermarket for months.
I’m disappointed. It took a lot for me to go into a supermarket
nakedwithout a face covering, but it gets easier.BTW: has the face nappy law now spread to Wales?
Yes John, I’m afraid it has but as the rural community is fairly well spread out, and the incidences of positive tests (no info on false positives of course) is approx. 1 in 5000 the chances of my even meeting someone who has tested positive let alone actually having the virus is statistically remote.
cant see the gov coronavirus update page because of ‘ongoing problems with microsoft azure’ whatever that is. they’d be better off using linux – probably get less false positives too
Just seen that, and on the day the ‘rule of 6’ comes into effect, how convenient!
Down to 2600 today.
But of course all those with it couldn’t get a test…..so these numbers are no longer valid…..
https://mobile.twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1305523963553087492
There are people genuinely disappointed that the number has dropped!!!!
Thanks for that – yes, I can imagine some will be disappointed!
Dear Deidre,
I haven’t had a test.
I haven’t had any symptoms.
I live in an ‘outbreak’ area, with local restrictions.
I’m going to the pub, socialising, shopping like billy-o, not wearing a mask, shaking hands…
Am I doing something wrong?
I feel so left out.
Will my neighbours snitch on me because I haven’t got it?
Should I get a Pangolin?
“Oh my, can’t get a test” was the mantra on Talkradio earlier – that and the Spector of lockdown part 2.
Had to laugh when some lady was talking about her husband (not funny as he was ill in hospital) and that she too had Covid currently but only knew that as he friend at the hospital did her a favour and swabbed her on the quiet. She then went on to say that if she had not known she would have been spreading it everywhere……surely the fact her husband had the thing and was confirmed meant she should have been at home, so what relevance is the test in her case anyway ?
Pangolin, class lol
Figures must be wrong because experts say that the rise is exponential .
I had a set of emails with them last week. they were very happy to take constructive criticism of the way the data is presented – part of their public outreach I suppose. The only part they just wouldn’t engage in was my suggestion they should have ‘+ve results’ rather than ‘cases’. Just didn’t even acknowledge I’d said this.
It’ll be a computer virus …
Bill will have a vaccine for it in a jiffy.
Azure is Microsoft’s cloud platform.
You’re a hero! That’s awesome news.
Keep on keeping on, KH.
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DM website’s top story at the moment is a load of photos of people socialising in groups of more than 6 with a headline blaming the young for daring to live their lives. Thankfully most of the comments are supportive of them.
Bodies in the streets, 14 days from now, then?
assuming they watch the TV news or read a newspaper
they may have been lots of small support groups – hence exempt
I like this one
What a load of hysterical, ill-informed,small minded nonsense.Around 1600 people die each and everyday in the UK and, sorry to break it to you but not all die peacefully in their sleep. Some die of horrendous diseases and cancers but some how the few that are dying of covid now, take precedence over those suffering from delayed and missed treatments. You really need to use a bit of common sense and put things into perspective. You can start by looking at the actual data and educating yourself on what a ‘case’ really is.
Just thinking about how the plebs make it all up for themselves, has anybody been told yet that Test and Trace details are mandatory from today?
Cos it ain’t til Friday.
I’ve never left details anywhere including today
I would happily give not quite correct details.
I was told it was mandatory on the day it was announced. I educated them.
The actual rule is that they’re obliged to ask and obliged to refuse entry if the customer declines. There’s no requirement in the customer to provide accurate details. Also, it’s perfectly possible in many places (especially places with QR code set-ups not to decline, but not to do it anyway.
Coming soon to a white middle class neighbourhood like yours. Helmeted goons in blue uniforms with clubs and tasers to help you understand the “rules”.
It’s happening in Australia and will be here sooner than you think if we let it.
I wonder if a new culture will evolve for us built around “all colour” oppression by the Po-leece like it did in 80’s black America spawning the Hip Hop revolution.
I wonder if i could come up with lyrics to my song like NWA did?
Lights start flashin’ behind me
But they’re scared of a nigga so they mace me to blind me
But that shit don’t work, I just laugh
Because it gives ’em a hint, not to step in my path
For police, I’m sayin, “Fuck you, punk!”
Readin’ my rights and shit, it’s all junk
Pullin’ out a silly club, so you stand
With a fake-ass badge and a gun in your hand
But take off the gun so you can see what’s up
And we’ll go at it, punk, and I’ma fuck you up!
Their way of life, hassled by the boys in blue every day could be ours very shortly!
Typical misleading bs from the BBC. Under the headline “Antibody treatment to be given to Covid patients”, the excerpt states “Laboratory-made antibodies are to be trialled on 2,000 people with Coronavirus in UK hospitals”. I’ve just checked Worldometer and the number of “Serious, Critical” cases is 79. Given that I very much doubt that there are even 2000 Covid cases in hospital (anyone know the numbers for this?). Still, it’s a good way to keep the hysteria ramped up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
There are 884 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare.
Thanks. No doubt anyone glancing at the excerpt will assume there are thousands which no doubt is the intention.
I have just received an “order” from within the family. I must, if we do actually have any Christmas holiday-time to speak of, not talk about cv19, or politics, or any other “extreme view” topic when relatives call….basically will amount to just one person anyway. Said person has said that because they work for government they feel that I am attacking their employer. Well buggar me, they forget that I actually also used to work for the state, in my youth, I now receive a small government pension but it won’t stop me speaking what I think. What is it with folk, they seem to only want a life full of “nice things” to talk about.
It always seem to be my fault. Do these people have some sort of “avoidance” syndrome?
It’s tough when you’re put in a position like this.
But know that it’s not you. There comes a point where trying to avoid conflict tips over into dishonesty if key issues are just ducked. It becomes emotional bullying.
Fortunately, we don’t have anything like this to deal with, but, given that different members of the family have to cope with practical situations that those of us without such constraints can ignore, there is always some negotiation, even given that we are all on the broadly sceptic side.
But it’s a two-way street.
I’ve had that from ‘the wife’. Apparently when I try to educate people with ‘facts’, I sound like a ‘Sun reader’!! (even though I never read it)
If they don’t talk about it then it’s not really happening – weird I know, I also have family members who are a bit like this. They are however getting a little less sure that it’s all about controlling the virus and nothing else. For me well it all falls in rather nicely with the Green agenda (that Teresa May signed us up to achieve by 2025), the 25% reduction in the World population so beloved by Gates plus removing Trump. A “happy” coincidence for for some high rolling Global cabal members?
“Said person has said that because they work for government they feel that I am attacking their employer.”
Such person doesn’t understand that it is the civic duty of all citizens to criticise the Government.
BTW, I am a former public servant.
Oh yes indeed, some feel the instinctive need to avoid the awful truth as they know it will hurt them. I have some sympathy.
Others are just lazy and apathetic and find it “boring” to talk about such matters – I struggle to maintain respect for people like that – I don’t care if they want to allow their lives to be ruined, but they are allowing mine to be ruined too.
Governments and by extension government employees only have one paymaster, the taxpayer, and all tax only comes from the profits of private companies.
But ultimately… you are their employer, surely!
In any case, being so identified with one’s employer, such that you take it personally and your feelings are hurt if someone has criticisms, is an unhealthy situation surely borne of having an “extreme view” of the employer-employee relationship.
Their employer is supposed to be working for us.
I worked for the NHS for decades, and had no objections to anyone criticising it.
there’s a lot of people who will be avoiding this subject at Christmas if they are on the wrong side of the argument.
Excellent news!
Had a nice talk with a customer today about the silly ongoings. He sadly recently lost a friend who was too afraid to seek medical help for ongoing chest pain and died suddenly collapsing in the street.
How much longer are we going to accept that?
The letter to the MP, listing all the wrongs they experience amongst friends and family is just so sad, but powerful.
At the start of this scam, there was a video of a person in China ‘dropping dead in the street’ which, we were told, was evidence of how dangerous this virus is. Because people don’t suddenly collapse in the street and die.
Not in civilised countries they don’t.
It’s a little bit like people who say they don’t mind taxes going up an extra penny in the pound to help pay the NHS/Education/Social care/Insert your own single issue fanaticism here… Up until the moment when the government obliges and everybody starts whinging about tax increases.
I watched a depressing news story about the Querdenken Demonstration in Munich on Saturday 12th September. Police try every little trick to stop people from demonstrating.
Luckily their lawyer seems to have never ending energy, but in the end they stopped the march and “just” had speeches on a large square where on can keep distance.
Funnily enough other demonstrations (BLM/Pride) can go ahead with out much police presence and restrictions imposed.
Querdenken are fighting the police in the courts and Querdenken will have their victory.
Thanks for this, it was hard to make sense from the streams of the event. There was a good turn out.
Let’s cheer them on to victory.
Sane people of the world, unite!
Jon Rappoport on a very positive development in Ohio – https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/09/14/covid-major-case-filed-against-ohio-for-restricting-freedom/
This is the phrase that stuck in my mind – Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV are currently available, …
Great
Thank you. Really good to get this point.
Pub Med article from 2016:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27352214/
“It is most certain that the high viscosity of hydrogel-based nanosystems can efficiently offer this mucoadhesive property. This update review discusses the possible benefits of using hydrogel polymer-based nanoparticles and hydrogel nanocomposites for drug/vaccine delivery through the intranasal administration.”
Worried about the vaccine? If you’ve had a test, you may already have been administered with it.
Wow, I get vaccinated every week! Also, we’ve been using any swabs we can get, even vaginal brush type ones so don’t know if the NHS is coordinated enough for such subterfuge.
In your experience how often are nasal swabs used which penetrate as deep into the head as the Covid-19 test kits?
Cruella is a paid shill bro, no doubt
if you’ve had a test they’ve certainly given you something
No one has, or ever will, shove that bloody thing into my head.
No, you wouldn’t have been. There is no vaccine at the moment.
Three cheers!
Hip hip, hurrah, hip hip, hurrah, hip hip hurrah.
Always good to hear something positive after some many months.
Next time I drive down the M11 I know where I will be stopping for a cup of tea, and a bite to eat.
10,214 corona virus fines not paid. Not one yet taken to court in 7months. Why not?
That should clog up the courts quite nicely thank you
As these are presumably contested cases it is likely that it will take an average of a day to hear each case (by the time prosecution and defence witnesses are called etc)
It would take one court sitting continuously for 42.5 years to hear them all. This in on the basis that the court also sits on Bank Holidays including Christmas Day and Boxing Day (which they don’t )
Our Christmas may be buggered up but so will the Magistrate’s(God bless them)
As the courts currently have a backlog of of five months, the dictator could create 42 new courts and deal with them in a year
This fails to take into account delays caused by adjournments etc
Rearrange the words
anyone, through, did, think, this
into a meaningful statement
So what does the dictator do?
He creates a new raft of additional offences and encourages narks to grass up Joe Public creating even more cases
Brilliant!!!!!
Plus:
The thousands of new magistrates that need to be trained.
42 new court buildings
Thousands of new solicitors.
Hundreds of new Court staff
Never mind, the dictator will have loads of money in the autumn/new year which he can use to fund this
Interestingly, I had a yougov survey a couple of days ago which was about magistrates. It asked had I considered becoming one, and if not, why not.
Good to hear. Source?
Written response to parliament justice committee, reported on the BBC
Because if you go to court you can say your piece, and no doubt the local rag would have a journo in attendance to report whatever is said.
57% of Daily Telegraph readers say they will abide by Johnson’s latest rules.
And 11% say will snitch on those who don’t.
57 – well, would have been nice had it been under 50, but a much lower figure than you’d have got back in March. And 11% isn’t bad either. Progress.
57% of Daily Telegraph readers, 77th brigade, and bots …
8 out of 10 cats who expressed a preference …
Strange given the comments on most articles are probably 80-90% sceptical. Not convinced the polls aren’t fixed like the YouGov surveys.
Polls are a tool for influencing public opinion not measuring it
‘I have had one of my busiest Mondays ever!’
I told you this morning it would be good for custom!
Well done. Sceptic of the Day, at least.
Thing is, the sort of ‘brave person’ you refer to are in my view generally the worst kind of coward. That’s why, eventually, they’ll lose. They are devoid of any form of original thought, merely follow the herd, and can’t do anything outside of the herd. Not the sort of people you want on your side in a struggle, as when the going gets tough they won’t be there.
Here’s my “update” from the US. I have been horribly wrong about individual behavior this whole time, and I have been absolutely shocked by the widespread adoption of masks, but I’m still struck by a few things.
First, when I go to some of my morning-routine websites this morning, I don’t really see CV19 featured at all. It seems to be falling out of the news. You’ll see articles that are kind of buried, and the substance of those articles essentially says “nothing much going on.” I think people are losing interest, and as they lose interest, they will lose patience for any restrictions.
One example is my hometown. I live in WA state, and our governor “indefinitely suspended” (i.e. until after the election in November) his “safe start WA” plan, which enables us to “phase up.” My county is stuck in “phase 1.” But honestly, I don’t see that much of anything is still closed. Restaurants are at 25% capacity, and pretty much every business has a “masks required” sign on the door… this weekend, I did a lot of shopping, as I had some projects going at home, and I wore a bandanna around my neck the whole time. Didn’t even bother putting anything on the kids (6 and 8) and nobody said a thing.
I don’t even know what the restrictions of “phase 1” are, but it appears they are largely being ignored.
I would be shocked if any politician – democrat or republican – imposed new lockdowns prior to the election. But I’ve been shocked, before.
The simple fact of the matter is this: CV ain’t no black death. People aren’t dying in the streets. There is no immediately observable justification for mass hysteria. With a highly contested presidential election, and many local elections coming up, people simply aren’t concerned with CV19 right now. And once we lose interest, we lose patience.
That doesn’t mean they can’t attempt to ramp the hysteria back to 11, and I imagine that if Trump wins that is exactly what they will do. But I think it is going to be much, much harder the second go around.
It has to an extent dropped out of the news here in the UK, except when there is a new development, but I am not so sure that is a good sign. My fear is that the nonsense being imposed upon on us, which is considerable and amounts to a continuation of lockdown, has just become normal for people now and they have accepted it. There can’t really be a “new” lockdown here because the “old” one never finished. We are in a constant state of public health emergency and panic, forever. The insidious “new normal” strategy is working.
Hence we need to keep reminding people that it isn’t normal, and telling those businesses and other organisations most affected that they are unlikely to survive if they don’t return to real normality.
I agree that that would be a bad thing. I worry about it with masks, but I also think that as soon as the restrictions are lifted, masks will all but disappear. The encouraging aspect of what I have observed here is that rather than considering it a new normal, a lot of people seem to be just ignoring it.
I may be way too optimistic about it, though. This weekend, as I walked through various stores with my bandanna pulled down below my chin, I didn’t really see anyone else not wearing a mask. I saw several with them under the nose or even under the mouth. People have largely accepted it and they just wear the masks. What really stuck out at me, though, was the fact that nobody said a word to me about not wearing mine. As I said, I think if the legal mandate is lifted, the immediate effect will be, in the very least, a 50% reduction in mask usage, and they will probably disappear altogether within a matter of weeks.
I think masks would certainly reduce enormously if they were not mandatory, but I can’t see any motivation for our govt to remove that, and lots of reasons why they wouldn’t (how would they explain it was no longer needed?).
In my state, the mask requirement is an executive order justified only by our governor’s declared “state of emergency.” At some point, that emergency declaration expires and all of the mandates along with it. But beyond that, I think it is a simple matter of enforcement. As I mentioned, I went out shopping this weekend, and kept the bandanna around my neck. As more people do that, enforcement becomes impossible. I think what happens is that people begin to simply ignore the governor’s edicts and they lose all of their power.
My fear is that the nonsense being imposed upon on us, which is considerable and amounts to a continuation of lockdown, has just become normal for people now and they have accepted it.
This has also worried me. But maybe for the average member of the public – genuinely fearful and convinced by the media propaganda – seeing less and less Covid news reported would start to sow the seeds of doubt and scepticism.
I suspect a lot of people are now less than convinced by the constant focus on “rising cases” combined with a distinct lack of footage of packed hospitals and mass graves, month after month.
I don’t think many are totally convinced, just wandering into the new normal. Right now we need more people with fire in their bellies, who like a drink and a laugh and a shag and a boogie with mates. We’ve been drifting away from that kind of life for a while now, which has partly enabled what has happened, IMO
One thing – a brief six months has blown out of the water the myth of UK exceptionalism.
All the television programmes about the Battle of Britain etc. stacked end to end won’t counteract the fact that the UK is just as susceptible to the totalitarian impulse and susceptibilty of the population as any country.
Sadly seems to be true, though I still think we’d done OK up to now, overall. Human weakness is everywhere, and societies that function well have always seemed to me miraculous rather than the norm to be expected
Years ago you could argue it was true but we have been under the heel of the USA and Europe for so long now our exceptionalism has been driven out of our society
Notes from a university city.
On the street you are the odd one out wearing a mask in in the areas of the city away from campus. 95% no masks, graffiti -some really creative on point about the fraud. Several elderly people in masks dotted about looking dejected and not making eye contact. Really sorrowful to see. Thought about interjecting but considered it wiser to not cause alarm.
On the street near to the university the mask to no mask ration is maybe 60% no mask.
Wearing mask as elbow pad is cool.
Also good form is to pick up ‘lost’ mask and dress near by railing to advertise to owner, same drill as winter mitten lossages.
In other news Patrick UK Column Henningsen has been twit blocked by DELVING devi for daring to start a discussion. This cannot be allowed in Freshers week -a professor being shown up in discussion. Block, block, block.
In the forum – Exeter/Devon/Cornwall meet up. I’m in. Anyone else? I mention it here as the forum still doesn’t seem to be used as much as it should be for further ranting/group start ups.
Wrong , wrong and wrong again.
Drip drip MSM
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sweden-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-a4546976.html?__twitter_impression=true
Actually, I think that’s a remarkably fair piece.
Agree. At last.
Yes – am I seeing things? – a pro-Sweden piece in the Evening Standard, or as I call it the house journal of the sneering metropolitan elite. They don’t get much more MSM than the Standard. Maybe it’s one of their occasional token articles going against their usual line – they did the same with Brexit.
Yeah, I’m not sure what there is to complain about with that article. Seems pretty spot-on to me. To quote:
It is going to destroy governments around the world. The Johnson might actually escape unscathed if he is ruthless enough to chuck Cummings under the bus…
Definitely, it seems very even-handed, it mentions the huge amount of media criticism Sweden received earlier in the year but does so (to my eye) in an objective, unbiased way, and acknowledges the huge implications if Sweden’s strategy turns out to be successful.
The suggestion it was some sort of outrageous punt to not follow the advice of the Chinese communist party, their WHO stooges and the jottings of a man, Ferguson, who has never been right about anything is the most wryly amusing aspect of this article. The worm is very much on the turn.
Retail footfall down https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/14/uk-retailers-fall-in-shoppers-covid-lockdown but of course it is due to the holidays being over and schools going back. No mention of muzzles.
And because of the government’s new campaign of terror no doubt.
DM Headline
I love the euphemism. “Largely been wiped out”. There is only one way to wipe out a virus and only one way to “largely” wipe it out. These are eradication and herd immunity respectively. The strategies are polar opposites. It seems China has a “zero covid” policy very similar to Devi Sridhar’s definition of the term (it means herd immunity).
No they just don’t test
No tests no problem
I think that is likely the case. The cynic in me wants to think that the extreme measures in Wuhan were widely publicized in an attempt to get the rest of the world to lock down, but it is likely that the rest of the country took a much more Sweden-like approach and simply kept it all under wraps.
They are either lying or just not testing much, if at all. I would be curious to see if all-cause mortality has spiked.
Whichever way you look at it, they’ve come out of it much better off than most.
I imagine it is a combination of both. A lot of reason to believe that they were lying early on. But interestingly, the predictions made by Michael Levitt were based, in large part, on China’s numbers, and those have actually ended up being accurate, so it’s hard to say.
If the rest of us had stopped testing back in June, it is likely that the rest of this would have passed unnoticed. It is very possible that this is what China did.
Whatever. In the end, the Chinese showed that they can tie the rest of the world in gibbering knots.
Not a good advertisement for western democracy
i thought the Chinese were concentrating on trying to wipe out an ethnic people and their culture so have no time for a virus
Just the one ethnic people? Or have they finished with Tibet now so we only count the Uighur?
sorry . that should have read … wipe out any ethnic people………
So if they have no plans to vaccinate, why should we? is Gates in cahoots with the Chinese now?
Nice to see the positive articles about your homeland starting to trickle out in the MSM. We are in the process of selling our house at the moment but, if it all goes through, I think we will treat ourselves to a long weekend in Sweden. Maybe we won’t even have to wear the face nappies on the plane to get their…
I’ve heard masks are optional at Arlanda (Stockholm) airport! I shall have to investigate further..
The vaccine is the getaway to massive state control.Immunity passports etc.The Chinese already have this
Big story on the mail site about a shop that says no masks, all the most rated comments are right behind the owner
This from the DT update!!!
“The race towards producing viable vaccines against Covid-19 continues, but, as Miranda Levy discovers, the noise and resistance from “anti-vax” conspiracy theorists is growing stronger in parallel. Miranda finds out why and what can be done to combat it.”
Every couple of days they run a pro-vaccine type article. I think they get cash they get from the Gates Foundation which requires they do this. The readers generally don’t take kindly to it, judging by the comments.
Latest email to mp – slightly losing the plot now (nicked the fat controller thing from someone – sorry!)
“If this doesn’t stop soon you will be presiding over anarchy.
Covid Marshals, the rule of 6 and now a snitching charter – have the fat controller and his snivelling sidekick found a book entitled “The Idiots guide to Nazi’s”?
I honestly can’t even believe I am typing this email. They are insane.”
Reply: “We are following The Science”
I haven’t had a response to this or my previous one yet, but that was the response i got a couple of weeks ago to my first try, yes. What a crock!
Thank you. ‘The Idiots guide to Nazis’ has just made the wife and I chuckle. Spot on.
From the Evening Standard article this evening and as per Lord Sumption this morning re: Sweden.
“If this is true, the political ramifications are hard to overestimate.”
If what is true?
That Sweden has reached herd immunity (which was the first strategy announced in the UK).
Oh.
Latest hospital stats from here in Sweden will be released tomorrow so that will be interesting. But in the last random testing they did there were very few positive results!
Thanks. I appear neurologically unable to believe in God, but am thankful that He provided Sweden as a beacon of hope in this present evil and madness
If what?
I am watching BBC news and I cannot believe what I am seeing.
Overbearing police in a park telling people old enough to be their grandparents to choose a number of friends they are allowed to see.
I DESPAIR!!!!!@!
With the “rule of six” we’re back to March/April and banning of sunbathing. The police are making idiots of themselves.
‘Battle of Britain’? The current one is about telling the government and any of their satraps to ‘f. off’.
Great story here in the Daily Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8731137/Coronavirus-denier-investigated-police-BANNING-customers-wearing-face-masks.html
If you live near his shop please patronise it – frequently! Also, maybe a solicitor can please check whether he is entitled to stipulate whatever conditions of entry he pleases?
More broadly, I sense the DM is at an editorial crossroads. The comments in the articles are overwhelmingly sceptical and they are running Peter Hitchens pieces with cheerful regularity.
Time for them to ‘turn’ and campaign all-out against The Madness!!
Mr Voke joins my parade of heroes!
I live near I will give them my custom.
I’m moving to Chichester :>)
Where is it?
Peter Hitchens doesn’t write for the Daily Mail.
Todays excellent UK Column looks at the lawfulness or otherwise of the Uk lockdown measures, the coup and much more.
There is an absolutely hilarious picture of Devi the global health advisor to Scotland – UK and the world. If that is her smile ever likely we are all to wear masks! Tears rolling down my face – brilliant!
https://youtu.be/KLCR9M1a9i0
Really fascinating comment about the future of civil service and gives a bit of thought about who has caused the coup.
Daily Mail torn between fact and fear.
This is better.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8730147/Coronavirus-second-wave-not-lead-surge-deaths.html
Regarding the second wave.
Putting PR reasons aside, the concept of a second wave seems to come from the 1918 Spanish ‘flu pandemic. From what I’ve read (I’m willing to be corrected), there was a genuine “second” wave of infections and deaths. There is a school of thought that says that this was in fact either an entirely different infection – possibly even bacterial rather than viral – or a mutated strain brought home by the troops in the trenches. This seems to be an uncontroversial view, but not decided.
Either way, this is one epidemic in the last century, out of many. The others have not had a second wave, but instead the viruses have become endemic and have continued to pick off a few in the years that followed, as is the way of viruses.
So, if there is a second wave of SARS-CoV-2, you would have to ask yourself “what is different this time?” The answer must surely be lockdown. It’s only lockdown that is different from our approaches to other epidemics, as it had never been tried before.
So, if there is in fact (as opposed to in media fiction) a second wave, then lockdown must be to blame.
Indeed, a second wave, if lockdown was even partially effective, is just the first wave delayed. However you play it, lockdowns (by which I mean ones that are at least partially effective) only really make sense in the following cases:
1) Very short term to flatten the curve in time to prepare healthcare
2) In the case of a very very deadly virus that might kill huge numbers, for a longer time IF you thought it was possible to cook up some better treatments or a vaccine quickly enough for the lockdown not to do more harm than good
I think in practice (2) is unlikely to be a viable option, and certainly wasn’t warranted for covid. (1) was how our lockdown was sold to us, but it has changed into permanent lockdown for zero covid. (1) was done in Sweden, on virtually voluntary basis, and worked.
The public mutation of the lockdown strategy from flattening the curve to seemingly eliminating the virus is, among very many lunatic outcomes over the last few months, one of the most sinister and insane, so much so that it’s original intention is now never mentioned in public.
It’s a good one to remind people of
Agreed. One of the things I said very early on against both masks and lockdowns was that the best-case-scenario is that they don’t work at all. The worst case scenario is that they do work, and that all we’re doing is delaying the inevitable at an extremely high cost. We’ve seen, though, that it will pretty much arrive everywhere, eventually, and you’re going to see a curve… maybe that curve is lower for places thus-far spared, due to mutation, but it will happen. So I think the evidence supports the idea that masks and lockdowns, thankfully, don’t work.
Your analysis is right – except that Covid never reached the prevalence required to be labelled an ‘epidemic’
As to ‘second waves’ in general – the CEBM has a paper on the myth of this as a common feature of infections :
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-epidemic-waves/
Suneptra Gupta took the view that the very high mortality of the Spanish Flu second wave was largely caused by a period of prior mass self-isolation by a susceptible population. Kind of like today’s Australia / NZ approach…
My view is that Sars-CoV-2 is effectively over in Western Europe, and that collective immunity plus a virus mutating to a lower level of virulence, mean it cannot resurge in a clinically symptomatic manner (but that won’t stop the PCR positives..). But many old folk who have perhaps overdone the self-isolation, will simply be more vulnerable to the inevitable seasonal flu this winter due to a suppressed or untuned immune system.
https://youtu.be/DKh6kJ-RSMI?t=1534
I think that is right. (and to repeat myself ad nauseum: the worst case scenario with respect to lockdowns/masks is that they work.)
From what I’ve read (I’m willing to be corrected), there was a genuine “second” wave of infections and deaths.
I don’t think they could be sure as it was 100 years ago. I had certainly never heard of it until this year. I have my doubts.
I don’t know why you even entertain this notion TBH. If is happens it happens, but I very much doubt that it will.
Waves do not have to be big. Just a little bit more than a ripple. We are not talking pacific storms here. People have to think about the worst.
Like I hate it when people say” it’s freezing out” just as the temperature dropped from 25C to 18C in September. 18C is not freezing!
I see the UK government is encouraging people to call the police if they spot their neighbours having 1 too many friends visit, even if they’re in the garden! Priti Patel.. “This disease is deadly and that is why it is right that the police enforce where people break the rules.”
If this disease is so bloody deadly, shouldn’t everyone here in Minsk be dead by now?? No masks, what little social distancing is long since over. Even international chains like McDonalds, Burger King etc. have reopened the tables they had blocked off. Every day packed public transport with only about 5% of people wearing a mask (through their own choice), and since the election on 9th August HUGE mass gatherings (100k+ people every weekend in Minsk).
No doubt people will say that the data from Belarus can’t be trusted. But forget the data, if the virus was so deadly everyone here would know someone who’s either died or been very unwell, this would then create it’s own fear in the population, who would quite rightly, take it upon themselves to wear masks, stay home where possible etc. etc.
Kit Malthouse – is there some way this scumbag can be nominated for the accolade of most loathsome politician of all time?
Kit Mauthausen, more like!
I thought Ugly Patel was the candidate.
Both of them. Joint award.
I’m sorry the competition is too strong this year
Trouble is, he has plenty of competition!
Of course the disease isn’t ‘deadly’.
Only someone who is too thick to have a job in government – or too lying – would say such a thing.
You couldn’t possibly be too lying to have a job in this government.
Good point.
I am going to write something controversial: do the people of Minsk know how lucky they are?
Sadly Ovis, in this regard, no they don’t. But to be fair, I don’t think extremely basic freedoms are something anyone appreciates until they’re taken away. As Belarus has not had any sort of lockdown whatsoever, it’s not something they appreciate. For all Lukashenko’s failings (and he has many), on this one issue he has got it bang on. But that’s not something most Belarusians will give him credit for.
Damn.
Comrade Ovis, they are watching BBC Newsnight and laughing at us.
If this were true, Sweden would be a giant graveyard by now!
“Nah nah, Swedish culture is different!” if I had a quid (or krona) for everytime I read that one…
You’d think it was the bubonic plague from the way the politicians/media talk, not a virus with a mortality rate of under 1%. I do not want to live in the GDR thank you Priti.
Daily Mail: Coronavirus denier is investigated by police after BANNING customers wearing face masks.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8731137/Coronavirus-denier-investigated-police-BANNING-customers-wearing-face-masks.html
The goose-stepping march of fascism.
If I lived within 50 miles of Chichester I’d make a point of visiting that place as often as possible, just as I’d visit kh’s if I were within the same of Saffron Walden. These businesses that make a stand are likely to face oppression, and need our support.
The Open for Business section should highlight businesses that self report as taking such a stand. I would definitely change my spending patterns to support any such business in my area.
Petrol stations used to refuse entry to people in bike helments for obvious reasons. Your acceptance of hidden identities could be seen as brave in light of this fact.
The most important thing you wrote, for the long run (imo) was: “I have had one of my busiest Mondays ever!”
As long as you can avoid direct repression, if your business thrives you can surely ride out the storm. After all, someone in your position invests everything in a business. That’s why the potential destruction of small businesses (same with Offlands) is among the worst crimes of this “Conservative” government. Conservatives, of all parties, should be absolutely behind the kind of people who have the gumption and energy to stand on their own feet in the way that is necessary to build and sustain a small to medium sized business.
And we here should all directly support any kind of public stand where we can “vote with our feet” and support dissenting voices.
Any ideas who is behind this Twitter Account?
Comments are incredible.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NursingNotesUK/status/1305419581511565312
Anna Brees on the case.
That just looks like pure left wing propaganda. The type that are actually willing the virus to kill people.
Some of the comments are sceptic as it gets. Any personal claims by nurses about seeing a second wave are just dismissed as nonsense.
This guy https://mobile.twitter.com/Matt_Bodell
Does Anna Brees know that?
Never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut.
Goodfellas
They’re called touts where I’m from. And you don’t want to be a tout. Your kneecaps will thank you
One I read on here
“Snitches get stitches”
Earlier today I was fantasising about posting a card with just that printed on it through every front door in the neighbourhood…
Most disappointing case count today, only 2621, it’s going exponential downwards! Panic!
Haven’t heard or seen anything in the MSM yet describing this as a large reduction in positives.
whist they never say that the increase in positive tests is due to increased testing , dont be surprised if they tell us the reduction is down to fewer tests being carried out
The Wail can’t bring itself to say that . Instead it says number of daily infections has doubled in a fortnight-no mention of the number of tests increasing. I suppose we were never going to get “Postive tests only double despite 10 (or whatever) fold increase in tests”
Better than what they were saying a couple of days ago when it was apparently doubling every 7 or 8 days…
1.15% of tests carried out. So 98.85% are negative.
Threshold for false positive is about 1.5% of tests. So should all be false positives.
Well, one positive about Denmark’s rise in cases is that they won’t be having a ‘travel bubble’ with New Zealand anytime soon. Suck it, Ms Jacinda.
I don’t think anyone will, given their particular self-painted corner.
See this for a good laugh – maybe even a dance – and then consider whether you want to take anything fatso dePfeffel says seriously ever again
That is pure class!
I never have.
The latest mask music video –Surgical Mask on her Face — from Media Bear. Great, as usual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxrKe74d5_M
Apparently the ban on household visits in the west of Scotland is to be extended by another week. This announcement comes on the same day that the acting Chief Medical Officer of Scotland, Dr. Gregor Smith, stated ‘I don’t believe we are in a second wave. The virus has never gone away. It is a rise in cases from a low baseline.’
Needless to say it is debatable whether these ‘cases’ are anything other than positive test results, but if we’re not in a second wave why are these ludicrous rules still in place?
No, don’t tell me. Is it because the Government have destroyed the economy and caused the deaths of thousands of people with their disastrous ‘lockdown’ and are hoping we won’t notice if they keep everyone scared of the ‘killer virus’?
A thought occured about the reset – it’s not great so I’ll call it reset. Not certain if this is a LS matter or not.
What is their problem with the status quo? They are insanely rich and getting richer by the hour. What is the sense in resetting when they are winning? I don’t buy the climate reasoning one bit – and yes I have a lot of time for reuse frugality and liking lichen.
Who knows what their reasoning is or their motivation.Just because we don’t know doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Power,’money greed normally cover most evil intent;maybe it’s to hold onto their positions and wealth.
America is falling from its position as world Hegemon.The whole western world is mired in debt.A wave of populist movements are starting to grow.All speculation but it most definitely is not about a virus.
It definitely is about a virus.
It’s the law of unlimited wants. The richer you get the more you sorround yourself with rich people. There are some exceptions, but for most they then want to prove themselves to this new group. It’s the only thing they’ve ever known. So they adopt the dreams and desires of the in group.
So more money is needed, more ‘success’. You also seek to be part of their causes to demonstrate your aligence to the group. Foundation work, trips to the big conferences. You need their respect.
It eventually becoem less about money, though it remains an important yard stick. Instead, it is about grand ideas and you shaping the world.
https://www.cadtm.org/Another-look-at-the-Federal-Reserve-s-panic-in-September-2019-and-solutions-to
We have has a banking collapse – just before coronavirus turned up to distract us from the real news
Interesting stuff. Of course the reset is planned, I din’t think its controversial to say that. It is a lengthy business creating the plan, not emergency planning. Bad luck the collapse took place just before the virus, neither in the control of men. Hmm.
On second thoughts, perhaps not…
There was a quote from Rumsfeld. I am sure they did all the forward planning. Banks employ futurologists to help them predict the future.
Whose “new realities” will Rumsfeld talk about? The realities of a White House in which a key aide told a reporter that this Administration has scorn for the “reality-based community”? (“We’re an empire,” the aide told the reporter, “and when we act, we create our own reality.”)
The problem is that central bank policy is rendering our money worthless. This is their chance to buy up assets of real value before the currency collapses.
By making us all focus on masks, they help ensure that we turn a blind eye to – for example – the £200bn the BoE have printed this year.
Sooo many distractions… hard to keep up.
I thought deutsche were going to fail last year and initiate a domino style run / collapse
What happened? Have they re-opened their equities division ? Cause i nearly fell off my chair when they said they were closing it
They seem to be hiring in equity research. I know someone who has just moved there. Weird.
I’m glad you’ve found your strategic reasoning
Does it come across like that? I’m stuggling with indigestion tonight.
The climate thing is BS, agree. Watch the news tonight trying to blame ‘all’ the fires on the west coast of the US on climate change – notice they steadfastly refuse to go near Yosemite, which has survived large numbers of fires in the last decade due to efficient fire management practices and long range planning – so if you hear the phrase “climate change refugees” tell them to go to Yosemite, climate change doesn’t work there.
On the reset thing: there is an issue of declining world resources. Technically peak oil production has passed, (see: Chris Martensen, The Crash Course, website & newsletter peakprosperity) so I believe that is a factor.
It’s not “great” or even a “reset”. It’s a b/s conspiracy theory. Personally I am sick of reading this horseshit.
Climate science is b/s too.
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Daily Mail: What rule of six? Young Britons are already ignoring Boris Johnson’s new Covid restrictions.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8731185/What-rule-six-Young-Britons-ignoring-Boris-Johnsons-new-Covid-restrictions.html
The local youngsters have never stopped hanging out together!
Ignoring supposes they give a beep about what boris says in the firat place. I see no evidence that young people tune themselves in to boris. Why would they? Boris leads us towards death. It is natural for young to revel in life. Oil and water. Good for them.
I’m worried now they will use the excuse of young people mixing and ignoring the rule of six to institute a curfew.
Same- that and a national mockdown.
I don’t think they can afford that.With no furlough and help for those stopped from working there will be too much opposition
Latest Regs : The Health Protection (coronavirus, restrictions) (no.2) (England) (Amendment) (No.4) Regulations 2020.
points to note:
There is a very good thread on Twitter (Francis Hoar linked to it; see end of this post for link) with whole load of info regarding these regs, including illogicalities and ways round certain rules. Francis reckons the regulations would not hold up in court, for a number of reasons, one being that no impact assessment has been done.
https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1305276954816503808
Downloaded and quick read, total gibberish to me. Unless you have the act to which the amendment applies and can be bothered to go through every clause it tells me absolutely nothing. Can’t be bothered.
They rely on people not reading the legislation and then produce guidance off the back of it, that the media report as law. If you do read the legislation you quickly realise how unenforceable everything is.
Fabulous debate in the commons, the mother of parliaments at it’s best. MP’s from every party fully debating the intricacies of this finally balanced question. The finest minds, forensically examining the why’s and wherefores.
Makes you proud to be British!
If we start winning this fight, which of the media will be the first to turn full sceptic?
We are winning this fight.
I agree. They are very concerned by us. You can see that by their actions against genuine discussion.
I want to believe that. But it could go the other away again.
It could.
Telegraph is very nearly there. The daily mail site could bring on a migraine so I tend to avoid it but they seem to be moving in the right direction. A bit left field but I would have a sneaky punt on Channel 4 news surprising everyone and admitting they got it all wrong.
Maybe we should make sure the DT also hear about this data breach in Wales, before people start getting too keen on testing: https://twitter.com/PublicHealthW/status/1305535693909831680
Unfortunately, as the article regarding false positives yesterday suggests, they will find positives even if in reality there are none.
https://dailysceptic.org/radical-uncertainty-and-government-innumeracy/
Maybe they’ll use the ’emerging facts’ is to discredit Johnson and destabilise the government to undermine Brexit? After all, previously they were only doing what the Government told them to in order to ‘keep us safe’ against ‘conspiracy theories’….?
A bit late for that now. That particular ship has sailed.
Telegraph or Mail
All of them, because I’m sure the editors all talk to each other, even if they officially “hate” each other.
The problem is the tribal feeling they have for the Tories.The government spend in advertising must have helped too.
They all turned on John Major fast enough. They do have form :o))
DM, DT.
Got a response from the local MP. Not what I was hoping for but here it is. At least he bothered to read my email and didn’t just send a stock reply which is what happened to my mate with his.
Thank you for your email and for taking the time to get in touch and share your concerns with me. I have checked our records and my office did not receive your letter of 7 August. I can only apologise and set out my position on the issues that you raise here.
I know that a number of schools in Barnsley have taken the decision to introduce compulsory face covering for pupils in communal areas where social distancing is difficult to maintain. If you are concerned about this new rule, I would strongly recommend that you discuss the policy on face coverings with Horizon. Under the current guidance, the wearing of face coverings in communal areas is at the discretion of individual schools or academy trusts.
Over the past couple of weeks we have seen the rate of infection increase across the country, with the rate roughly doubling here in South Yorkshire. A rapid increase in the rate of infection risks creating a second wave later this year which could put significant numbers of people at risk of serious illness, hospitalisation and death. It is vitally important, therefore, that everyone follows the latest guidance from Public Health England: wearing face coverings in shops and on public transport; keeping at least two metres apart from those not in their household or support bubble; only socialising in groups of six or fewer; and washing hands on a regular basis. We have all got a responsibility to follow the guidance and play our part in containing the spread of this disease – which has already claimed the lives of over 40,000 people across the country. Although, as you rightly point out, the figures on hospitalisations and deaths are currently much lower than they were at the peak of the pandemic, there is a real risk that a rapid increase in infection rate will in turn lead to more deaths over the coming months, especially as we approach winter.
On testing, I’m afraid that I do not agree that the increase in positive results is solely due to increased community testing, as confirmed by the Chief Medical Officer. The current increase in infection rate is very concerning, and it is right that measures are put in place to reduce transmission and help save lives.
In terms of my vote in Parliament, I will very carefully consider the specifics on any proposals that are brought forward and vote in the best interests of my constituents – as I always have throughout my time in Parliament.
Once again, thank you for taking the time to get in touch. If you would like to discuss this in further detail, please do not hesitate to get back in touch.
With my very best wishes,
The total bollocks in this says all that needs to be said about the quality of MPs.
Rate of infection increase across the country. Wrong.
Your MP has fallen for the covid switch, infections are not cases are not positive tests.
I would be asking after the responsibilty the MP says we all have. Have them define that respinsibility and state where it comes from. Clearly that same responsibilty must be fairly distributed across society and other forms of ill health. The MPs focus is not adressing their stated responsibility outside the fantasy realm of covid.
A Hitch perfectly describes our mp’s dim, slumbering and gullible.
Cut and paste.
Absolutely moronic response
So glad! There are some truly wicked,nhorrid people about and totalitarianism will always get them crawling out of their holes, but there is decency out there too.
More power to your elbow.
Maybe we should start designing a LS medal for our most outstanding resisters!!
Apologies if it’s been posted before, but here is an Edinburgh Professor, who speaks passionately but undemonstratively, about his views on the wrongs currently being perpetrated. Why don’t more academics and medical professionals hold or voice these views?
Perhaps many do, but just feel unable to speak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuP7xOOXCA&ab_channel=AnnaBrees
He is great isn’t he Richard Ennos. Doing what he thinks is right. Why can’t others do the same? I know five at the university with tutoring/lecturing duties. 4 are unpleasant woke arrogants, one of whom is so closed of mind their own family struggle to relate to them. One of the Edinburgh staff I know is a brillant rounded person, not in a specialism that matters to SARS CoV.
This is a fun thread….
If you scroll down you can see what is happening in schools.
BBC ramping this fear is unforgivable.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/1305546926209802242
Sod it I’m moving to Venus. Who’s with me?
It’s a bit warm, Achilles.
Stockholm is more comfortable. Greta says they no longer have a proper winter.
Good point. I don’t know any Swedish though. My Russian’s improving and they are quite relaxed these days – except on flights. Is appealing.
I think they all speak perfect English. And you can get there by sailing boat. I can recommend a 72ft ketch in Newcastle whose charity owners can no longer afford to keep it.
Sweden or Russia?
I recently watched some youtube travelogue videos of a woman on a week’s holiday in Sochi with a girl-friend. She usually goes with her husband/partner. She never shuts up. Anyway, Sochi has been crowded with holidaymaking Russians and hardly a mask in sight.
Link provided on request. I listen in Russian, but you might be able to get subtitles in English.
I could probably doggie paddle up the Med and through the Bosphorus up to the Black Sea and on to Sochi. Wonder if they take refugees? Might have to dodge the Royal Navy though, I have heard they are operating in the area.
Okay, you twisted my arm. Link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrdd1JEffbI
(Warning: may make you want to emigrate to Russia).
They really do. I spent all my summers in Sweden as a child and barely learned a thing as everyone insisted on speaking English to me.
I’ll start packing!
Lord Sumption criticises ‘Rule of Six’ on BBC R4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_6p2jdbm6U
He really is a total fucking dude.
Robbed that horrid interviewer of ammo, everytime.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/community-and-world-united-we-say-no/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=abf8b1cd-e731-4b0f-94a3-1657c795af09
New video from Robert Kennedy’s Childrens Health defence. On mandatory vaccination.
He’s been in Berlin recently too. Pity we can’t get him to come here.
Notwithstanding the concerns expressed in today’s discussion on hospital Covid 19 data, the Governments web-site indicates no change in the total number of UK Covid 19 cases in hospital, it was at 884 Sat, Sun and today Monday. To my mind this indicates that no change = no second wave, so far so good.
I think there has been a hold up in Scotland’s figures As they aim to remove those who no longer have covid
Bit long from Tom Woods but…
“Well, the skeptics are finding their voices at last.
In Ireland, Dr. Martin Feeley — clinical director of the Midland Fields Hospital Group and a senior executive of the Health Service Executive, Ireland’s government-funded health care system — just made his dissenting views known to the Irish Times.
He said the lockdowns that we were told were essential can no longer be justified in light of what we now know about COVID-19.
The lockdowns, he added, disproportionately harm the youth — and “you can’t postpone youth.”
“The financial cost,” he said, “can be seen in any walk or drive through cities, towns and villages. Mortgage repayments and other financial setbacks are virtually all suffered by the young worker or business person and not by the over-65, who are guaranteed their pension, as indeed are the salaries of the individuals who decide to inflict these draconian measures….”
Dr. Feeley condemned the obsession with “cases,” a contextless number that only panics people, when we should instead be focusing on hospital strain:
“The number of deaths among recent cases is less than one in a thousand. This data reflects a disease much less severe than the average annual flu. The media reaction to these cases, ie, with the gravity appropriate to reporting deaths from a major catastrophe, borders on hysteria. Opening a newscast with the number of people testing positive for a condition less dangerous than the flu, which many don’t even know they have, is scaremongering.”
The Irish Times also reports on Dr. Alan Farrell, who has made his unhappiness with the government’s extreme measures known to the Minister for Health.
He says:
“From a medical perspective I am not seeing an impact from COVID on the ground. What I am seeing is delayed diagnoses for other conditions – breast cancer, skin cancer in young people, an onslaught of anxiety and depression, an increase in loneliness in the elderly, recently a fractured humerus in an elderly lady that has been like that for months as she was afraid to go outside.”
Now here’s a question no mainstream reporter will ask a epidemiologist, even though it’s an obvious one:
Are you modeling the non-COVID human costs of lockdowns and restrictions and if so, what have you concluded?
Of course no epidemiologist will answer you, because none of them are doing this. They believe that the subject of their monomania must be as all-consuming for everyone else as it is for them. The very notion of tradeoffs simply does not enter the picture.
There are very real tradeoffs that are measured in human lives — including but far from limited to the 1.4 million excess TB deaths, the 500,000 excess HIV deaths, and the 385,000 excess malaria deaths that even the New York Times acknowledged the lockdowns will cause.
Now if you mention the cost to people’s livelihoods, you’ll be accused of callousness, and you care about things rather than people, etc. — all the sorts of things a midwit would say.”
Very encouraging, thanks.
To be fair it is ultimately up to politicians to consider the tradeoffs, but the public health officials certainly should look at the wider picture of health, not just the “new” challenge – that is Tegnell’s position
I mentioned cost benefit analysis to an acquaintance of mine and she compared me to Hitler
A former acquaintance of yours.
Yes, in Tegnell’s interviews recently he has talked a lot about public health and what constitutes health from a long-term and bigger perspective, that for example denying people an education will have a long-term negative health effect..
I’ve said this before, I think Ireland are ahead of the curve on this. There are a lot of leading sceptics from Ireland like Dolores Cahill and Ivor Cummins, and a healthy dose of scepticism amongst the public (the rally in Dublin had more attendees than London, from a far smaller population) but can you imagine a senior figure from PHE or the NHS saying something like this? No, nor can I.
Nope. The marches are encouraging but remain small. They are doing a good job in demonising anti lockdown groups as right wing or conspiracy theorists. Ireland is the Silicon Valley of Europe and big pharma has been milking the low tax regime decades.
Polticial opposition is minimal, the odd individual here and there. Even anti establishment parties like PBP and SF seem to be more than happy to go along with the narrative.
Mask wearing is extensive. Even in Donegal which I frequent often and where the virus hardly took hold, masks are everywhere.
There are many individuals that are of great standing but this opposition still needs to get angry.
Donegal with some of the cleanest air in the world as well.
And quite right too. Epidemiological and economic models are a different kettle of fish, and since there are some 90 people listed as participating in SAGE meetings, one would reasonably expect that expertise to be available.
If you ask an epidemiologist to model an epidemic, you get an epidemiological model. That’s why advisers advise and ministers decide.
Inly criticism: idea that the reaction is verging on hysteria.
BBC wetting the bed about a “surge” of cases in Marseilles but not asking why there isn’t a commensurate surge in Paris. The reason there isn’t, which we all know is that Paris has reached the very low herd immunity threshold.
Please provide a link to the Paris research.
I thought that the reason for the “surges” was that they were testing more people.
France locked down before the virus could get there.
On 4th Sept I received an eMail from my local council asking all residents to help avoid a local lockdown as “cases” were rising locally. (I wonder where they got my eMail address?)
I then sent an eMail to my three ward councillors suggesting that any increase in “cases” was mainly down to recent visitation of three mobile testing units which just revealed what already existed and in reality there was no true increase in the level of local infection.
10 days later I have has no response of any kind from any of them.
This reinforces by long held belief that local politicians are there just for the status which they think their role confers.
I shall abstain from all future local elections.
They are all conservative party members – although I doubt this is actually relevant.
At this stage in the reengineering of our democracy local councillors are enablers and not representatives of local views and interests.
I shall be voting for Independents from now. No Party and v few MPs have asked any relevant questions during the last six months. Quite simply, they haven’t done their job.
I’d be asking them where they got your email address from – GDPR?
I wonder where they got my eMail address?
You must have e-mailed them at some point or supplied it on a form and then forgot about it. There’s no other way, though some conspiracy nutjobs may tell you otherwise.
PS, you could always ask them.
In which case they should have asked if you still want to receive correspondence from them and to confirm that you do. If you don’t confirm or don’t reply at all the data is supposed to be deleted.
Local news headline.
Cops break up 405 lockdown house parties in Scotland with six arrested since Friday
Six people were arrested and one Fixed Penalty Notice issued as a result of the gatherings
Another headline
“Edinburgh Police called to the Meadows to break up gathering of 150 people
A group of ‘150 people’ were pictured having a ‘huge party’ the night before gatherings of more than six people were banned”
These are people enjoying themselves not protests.
I see the Greens in Scotland are objecting to a loophole that allows hunting parties to get around the rule of six law. There’s a good idea. Off to the hills with your shotgun for a party – the police wouldn’t dare to mess with you.
A thread on Francis Hoar’s Twitter refers to that little exception for hunting parties – clearly some lobbying went on to get that activity exempted from the rule of 6…
Apparently that’s why it was only published at 11.45pm, becoming law at 12 midnight.
The greens are snivelling soy boy wankers
Fun is out. That is noticable.
All very Presbyterian – if you’re from the seventeenth century.
! True enough
The SNP aren’t known as the ‘Tartan Taliban’ for nothing!
I can remember when they were called the “Tartan Tories.” Going back a bit…
He makes a good point, perhaps it’s now considered the pub is there to be paid and nothing more.
cannot see them surviving once the frosts begin.
I’ll do my best to keep them going – especially when the frosts begin
“‘It’s the final nail in the coffin’- Bourbon nightclub warns Edinburgh’s nightlife is on its knees
The popular late night venue has been closed since March and has issued urgent concerns over their future
“An Edinburgh nightclub has described the Scottish Government’s music ban as the “last nail in the coffin” after spending months with no income.
“Edward Fox ,the manager of Bourbon nightclub, told Edinburgh Live that many venues across the city will not reopen unless help is provided to the late night industry.
“After months of closure, the club is growing increasingly concerned for its future as the furlough scheme winds down – despite no potential date for venues to reopen.
“He told Edinburgh Live: “We really haven’t had any information from the government about how we might be able to reopen in the future or what restrictions we would need to follow, at least then we could prepare.”
“In recent weeks, some late night venues have made the decision to reopen as a bar and lounge, however as there is a ban on background music, Edward explained that there would be no attraction for them to do this.
“He added: “The music ban has been the final nail in the coffin for us.
“We had thought of going down the route of a late night bar but the music ban has ruined that idea so we’re having to wait again”
Edinburghlive to read more.
The lack of communication is quite striking. I propose that tge Scottish Government have not had instructions from their masters as to how the night club sector is to be handled. Or, perhaps the Scotyish Government is deliberately acting in an inhumane manner towards the sector by keeping silent to destroy it.
No communication at this stage is not an oversight.
The likes of Ian Brown shouldn’t be standing alone. They need some support.
Shaun Rider maybe unless he’s gonna “call the cops”
Musicians, like everybody else, have to got to eat. There has to come a time where more get out of zoom world and start playing in front of real people.
Liam seems to be murmuring
Brilliant !
Lord Sumption telling JHB about the pointlessness of the rule of six.
https://youtu.be/ipaeGea5OZE
Your brother will be happy with you publishing his mobile number on here!
Just on your new post, the number can still be found by downloading and removing the layers from your picture using an editor such as GIMP or Photoshop.
Footnotes.
The day began with the troubled footnote (singular) of Hume that caused the tower to be classed as 40 until suitable non-white name can be found. Ghandi Platz is my bet.
More troubled footnotes as the moon rises. This time the broken Scottish Governments. Internal strife, heated, oh so heated discussions manifest themselves in asterisk and double asterisk form. Things are so woeful we nearly need to be looking up the keying sequence for the dagger! A joy in footnotes.
* may not reflect the total number of new cases or new tests due to late provision of test data on 14 September 2020. Any additional cases will be reported in the coming days.
** This figure includes people who are no longer being treated for COVID-19. Tomorrow, this will be replaced with a measure that focuses on hospital in-patients with a more recent positive COVID-19 test. [They’ve been promising this for what seems like a month or more].
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
The number of total deaths under 45 in Scotland with only Covid19 as the cause – 2. One plus one equals two. Source for this is UK Column today.
She actually seemed quite upset that today’s ‘cases’ figure was so low so had to add disclaimer that it really is much higher it’s those people at Westminster that are holding up test results.
A chuckle thanks. Explains a conversation I stuck my head into earlier.. “it’s all political” well I had a little say at that myself, but soon realised we were snp and therefore don’t think.
From Kennedy’s childrens health defence
So, please:
Thanks for this succinct summary. It helps.
Ah the comfort of data leaks, at least that feels like normal.
Public Health Wales
@PublicHealthW
We regret to announce that there has been a data breach involving the personally identifiable data of Welsh residents who have tested positive for COVID-19. Anyone concerned and wanting advice should read the FAQs: https://phw.nhs.wales/news/public-health-wales-statement-on-data-breach/
4:55 pm · 14 Sep 2020
Just another reason not to get tested!
Interesting. I wonder if PHE would announce and apologise for a breach of data.
Funny this because I’m currently developing a web app for one of my own company projects and it uses Amazon Web Services (AWS). Most of the web runs on AWS in some shape or form by the way.
One of the standard setups for apps (both web and mobile) is that a user can upload, delete, change objects in their own account. However it is possible without the proper security policies in place in the AWS bit to gain entry into everyone else’s data and even make yourself an admin.
It’s often because of how the initial development app is set up. I was aware of database script attacks such as through input forms, comment forms and search, and a lot of these techniques can be prevented with plugins. But the infiltration of a non-database stack is interesting.
I wonder if this has happened to the public health Wales thing. Temporary credentials were obtained that allowed deeper access to be gained using a few simple commands.
Can’t say I follow all, but interesting none the less. Unprofessional product development with a flaw that feasibly shoukd have been known. It’s a possibility I assume.
I’ve never before looked forward to a class action so much!
Would Slater & Gordon care to start one on behalf of we who have been denied constitutional freedoms without incontrovertible proofs for the Emergency Powers??
Went to a local garage there, everyone in it not wearing a mask; the staff and about 4 or 5 customers.
It felt great, totally normal.
On my way out one woman was walking up with one of those stupid flowery ones….will be her turn to feel like she’s a dick, only for wearing one rather than not..!
Our local petrol station is in partnership with Morrisons. Since the beginning less than 50% masks and get less by the week. As you say, those without beginning to feel stupid in small pockets of sanity.
Sweden’s chief epidemiologist: ‘We are happy with our strategy’ on Covid-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hStrML7vk5k
Good stuff. French media is starting to pull ahead of the UK, though remaining cautiously optimistic.
One of the worst parts about all this is the chronic instability- you plan for anything at the mercy of the Clown Show’s next 9pm twitter diktat. I got a monthly discount coupon from the pub this weekend but I can’t look forward to using it when they can still shut the pubs again because sPiKiNg CaSeS1!1!
Also I really want to see a friend in Belfast next year but I just don’t know if I’ll even be able to get there, let alone what it will be like on the ground. I hope someday this madness will end.
My boys haven’t seen their cousin (my sister’s boy) since last August. They’re very close (or were) and he’s an only child. We were looking forward to Christmas, but now impossible (my sister is a covinazi)
The Anna Brees channel on YT features many everyday folk, who have reached a point of enlightenment regarding the ‘pandemic’ and individually put themselves forward in a video blog.
Here is a 46 yr old mum:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCcPXV-5YC0&ab_channel=AnnaBrees
Many more on the channel.
I find it so curious that the maybe 10% who hold a sceptical position (or stronger), seem to have a completely different thinking mechanism to the unquestioning majority.
I think we’re a different species.
Yes I think so. And that’s before the Moderna RNA vaccine creates another species…!
I got asked on another site by a pro mask ‘person’ why was I scared of masks (!?). It was clearly just another cheap, lazy jibe to avoid any confrontation with facts. I really can’t understand why anyone would even try to question someone’s motives for not wanting to do something so obviously stupid and devoid of common sense. What weird people there are out there…..
Diehard right-wing, Brexiteer, extremists apparently. Not that everybody here is a Brexiteer, and not everybody here is right-wing. I’m astonished that people who just want to see normality resume are branded as extreme…
I do hope we die hard, however.
And dangerous, denialist QAnon conspiracy theorists according to the Ministry of Truth.
Always brings a wry smile to my face when I get accused of being a conspiracy theorist. It’s still better than being a sheeple.
Yes – centre-left remain-voter here (though I was 50/50 about it and have supported Brexit since the vote happened). Not an anti-vaxxer, just concerned at this vaccine being rushed out and it being made compulsory. Not a covid-denier, just someone who’s baffled at the response to a virus with a mortality rate under 1%.
The theft of our freedom is more important than any other issue, they don’t seem to get this on the other side of the Covid fence.
Indeed, this transcends demographics and politics.
The loss of our liberty is my number one concern through this whole thing. The sick feeling has not left me from the day Boris announced the Crackdown on liberty. It gnaws away like a nuclear reactor. It’s made me slightly unhinged. I worry for my son. What future can he look forward to now? I feel the destruction of our lives is the plan and the sickness comes from knowing there isn’t a damn thing we can do about it.
the destruction of our lives is the plan
There is no plan. These people are incurably incompetent and stupid.
I hope you’re right but i don’t have much sympathy with that view. I think they know exactly what they are doing.
Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one biker.
You credit these idiots with brains?
Quite how anyone can think that so much death and destruction can be desired by anyone is beyond me.
James Bond villains are just a fantasy, those sorts of people do not exist in reality.
Puppets don’t need brains.
See Blair Iraq or even more modern times Libya Syriah, Yemen. Our Parliament deals in death.
Very naive to think powerful men don’t meet in secret and plot.
They have been extremely competent in dismantling our freedoms.
If anybody id unhinged, it most certainly isn’t you.
There is something you can do. Keep your courage up and don’t give in.
Those idiots are treating freedom as “last years fashion”. I’m stunned how they can be so stupid as to see it as something which can be sacrificed.
Under 0.26% actually.
It’s the standard tactic. Label anyone who disagrees with the liberal agenda as a right wing fascist. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, doesn’t matter if the topic on question crosses the traditional left/right divide (whatever that is) or not. The still use the label as it’s the best way to discredit whoever’s is objecting.
I was described as a “fake news reading troll of a right wing extremist” for telling a “friend” (not one any longer since he responded like that) that Saint Jacinda was using military troops to guard quarantine centres.
If you speak German Bodo Schiffmann on top form again.
He has moved off YT to Bitchute.
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/BFqZplJLluQB/
Review of Numbers in Germany, another good study saying masks are useless, etc.
This is very good. The evidence is now so overwhelming that it’s difficult to comprehend that the mainstream media haven’t woken up to the fact that the ‘lockdowns’ across Europe are causing more damage than the virus.
First day of the Six ‘Act’ and the news on Radio 4 reports on the police cautioning mothers holding a toddlers picnic in a park. Clearly the police have decided to take on the toughest miscreants first!
Give that officer the Queen’s Medal for Gallantry!
Fair dos to the police, they really know how to cover themselves in glory. Not.
Will they put people on a sixual offenders register?
Tish boom.
GOOD ONE!
Our brave policemen and women always go for the easy targets.I have completely lost respect for the police.The images of them kneeling and running down Whitehall sums them up.
One step away from the Melbourne police telling off a pregnant woman for sitting on a bench during the 1 hour a day she’s allowed outside…
Telling off?
Not shoving her to the ground and stamping on her head while Dan the Damned cheers them on?
The story will be strategic. Many mothers listen to R4? No. But perhaps caring, concerned grand parents do. What better way to disseminate fear of police than by word of mouth from your own family.
In a land where a disinformation unit and the army is functioning against the best interests of the people it is perhaps useful not to downplay these previously insignificant occurances.
Is it possible the story was even called for by SAGE SPI-B? Yes, I am afraid that is a well founded possibility.
Cowards, bet they didn’t even ‘take a knee’
I think that there be an exemption that covers that anyway. Certain support groups are exempted. There are quite a few – which potentially makes the rules 1) unenforceable and 2) utterly irrational and ineffective – why would the virus respect the long list of exemptions?!!
Wait until they start handcuffing the mothers or grabbing them by their throat up against a wall. Won’t be long now, as soon as curfews are imposed the police will feel they have carted blanche to behave in any way they want.
So much of this seems to be about multiplying complicity.
We now have whole groupings of police, from the most senior down, who know that any serious return of democracy means that they lose their jobs and their pensions.
Looks like the FDA is taking a closer look at the Oxford Vaccine:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-trials-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-hold-amid-probe-serious-side-effect
Unclear whether this is another participant, or a closer look at one of the two who have already been notified, and which prompted the pausing of the trials.
I think it must be the same one. The first one they thought was unrelated to the vaccine but maybe given the second it’s worth taking a closer look. If they get another case of transverse myelitis now you’d think that would be the end of the road for this vaccine candidate.
They’re using a big dose because it doesn’t work all that well, which increases the risk of these adverse reactions (but may lower the risk of the other potential issue which is enhancement).
The Russian “Gamelaya” vaccine is very similar, and they’re using twice as big a dose again. Not for the faint of heart.
Thanks Guy. The first one was supposedly a case of undiagnosed MS, and therefore unrelated (really?). In the second participant (Transverse Myelitis), was it after a second dose, or due to a big first dose?
I’d have to check but the MS case was probably in the earlier phase trial, when all the participants had to be super fit with no existing conditions. How can you miss undiagnosed MS in the the pre-trial physical examinations??
What we do know from the pre-clinical animal study was that all six of the macaques got infected after challenge with the virus and were viral shredding. A week later they were euthanised…
I think Pascal Soriot (CEO of AstraZeneca) said on an investor call last week it was in July. From the Lancet article, the first part of the Phase I/II was April-May, but I am not sure whether there was the intention of a booster dose in July, or whether it just went straight to Phase III with more participants in July. The US part of Phase III was due to start last week, but is now paused. I read the Indian trail continued notwithstanding the inquiry here. Not sure about South Africa.
Yes i saw that. Must keep the investors informed! Just shows how the world is turned upside down. There is also Brazil I believe in the trial.
The animal study certainly didn’t impress some commenters.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/#4b873e733c71
AZ shareholders are speculating it was post 2nd dose as it was a woman in the U.K. who developed TM, and the U.K. arm of the study fully enrolled a while back.
It is possible that the MS was not diagnosed in the July participant because they may not have been showing any signs or symptoms of the condition. However, A-Z cannot ignore the possibility that their vaccine triggered it sufficiently for a diagnosis to be made. Depending on the type of MS, progressive or regressive/remitting, will have a serious impact on the person. If the latter then they will have periods with few symptoms alternating with periods of severe symptoms. If the former then that is going to completely disable the person over a period of time and they will inevitably die prematurely.
MS is also thought to an autoimmune disease, although it could be the failure of the cells that produce the myelin sheath around nerve cells.
Transverse myelitis May be an autoimmune disease but may also result from lack of myelin.
Yes they thought undiagnosed MS at the time, but it’s surely worth taking a closer look, as it’s a similar sort of problem (immune system going crazy and destroying your own myelin). I don’t know what the circumstances were of the transverse myelitis case. It should all get written up when the trial is over.
I noticed that when the the MHRA lifted the clinical hold, the other countries hosting the trial did not. This confirms it. And this is the second clinical hold. AZN did not acknowledge the first hold at the time, when a trial subject somehow contracted multiple sclerosis. This was because they concluded that the MS was not related to the vaccine….
It appears that the UK authorities are intent on giving this emergency use authorisation, before it is approved. Robert Kennedy Jr. recently stated that there had been two cases of transverse myolitis plus one of MS. Don’t know if he got that right though.
Transverse myolitis is one of the rare auto-immune diseases, that has been previously associated with other vaccines. TM and MS are both debilitating conditions for which there is no effective cure.
Sars-CoV-2 on the other hand is now an endemic virus, which is usually not clinically symptomatic.
Agree Kevin. Have they not learned anything from Pandemrix?
People have very short memories. There was the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine debacle as well as Pandemrix for H1N1. I actually read an editorial in the Wall Street Journal last week written by a doctor who was going to advise his 96-year-old father to get the Covid vaccine even though his dad had been injured by the Swine Flu vaccine in 1976. I was absolutely shocked that doctor could be so blind to the issue of vaccine injury even after his own father experienced it.
The govt have always been terrified of being accused of letting Covid kill people. I’m puzzled that they seem to have no fear of letting a vaccine kill people.
Did a reply come back?
Sweden shows lockdowns were unnecessary. No wonder public health officials hate it
https://washex.am/2RxanfL
Imagine a world where Stockholm [think they meant Sweden] had caved to international pressure and fallen into line with everyone else. In such a world, politicians and public health officials could get away with claiming that but for their closures and crackdowns, things would have been unimaginably worse. The disease, they would tell us, would have spread exponentially. Millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, would have died.
Sweden is one of the few beacons in a world where the lights have mostly been extinguished.
Reality v Ferguson’s model
Well we’d still have Belarus, Brazil, Japan and parts of the USA as counterarguments, just less powerful ones.
Eh? Japan is hugely powerful! Belarus might be but we can’t trust their figures – as with China and Russia.
I thought that lockdowners could argue they had a voluntary lockdown based on mobility data, as well as “Japanese culture is different” because they’re big on their personal space.
Just watching mums and toddlers in a group of 7 being questioned by the police in Bristol on news at 10
Will the Covid marshalls be fining the toddlers too?
Seems like a story the want to promote. Nudge.
Definitely sound like terrorists.
tonight itv4 22.00 Family Guy.. Not to everyones taste (a bit surreal with adult humour and often in bad taste) but this episode is based around vaccinations and is quite funny .
Good – there must be more funny things than just Trump’s haircut (Radio 4 please note).
Woohooo!!! Well done you for sticking to your guns!
Feel a bit disappointed today.
Lots of decent articles, some airtime but still not breaking enough ranks in MSM.
Can’t help wonder why Ivor hasn’t been asked to appear on TV or Radio thus far?
The Brexit (Internal Market) Bill might explain much of this – nice distraction for the MSM?
I have always said that post Brexit the MSM would have nothing left to do.
Covid has of course come along and replaced Brexit quite nicely.
Only temporarily. CV19 will effectively end before Christmas in UK. There won’t be a safe vaccine for ages, if ever, it’ll be like SARs 1 – virulence dies out before vaccine passes trials. Brexit however is a whole other story. That one will run and run. A goldmine for every lawyer and accountant and politician, with endless re- negotiation of trade deals, legal interpretation and challenge clogging up the courts – the new CV Regs have nothing on what’s to come there – it’ll be never ending.
Hang on in there. I have days like that too but I really do feel that the message is getting out. It is just hard for those of us who have seen the obvious for ages and it is really hard to see that many people are still buying into the “we’re all doomed” nonsense and, worse yet, signal their virtue by donning masks everywhere, reminding everyone of “the rules” and accusing those who truly care about others – and want to see them have access to the work, education, healthcare, human contact etc. they need – of being heartless granny murderers.
He has been on talk radio 6 weeks or so ago.
I think we all know why Ivor hasn’t been invited on: cogent, coherent and coolly factual.
Know how you feel. Compared with just two months ago, we’re doing well. Cracks are not just appearing in the dam wall, but the concrete looks like it’s crumbling too. Scepticism is gaining traction even in the MSM: editors know readers’ comments are turning against the narrative.
Hold fast.
I told a chap to f*ck off in the pub earlier when he approached my table where I was with friends and held up six fingers. I wasn’t very gentle, I’m a fairly big lad, a good bit over six feet and he took fright. Zero sympathy for him from onlookers and he left. I’m tired of being nice with snitches and idiots.
Amazing he could count!
I joked with a couple of the lads that Yul Brynner and Steve McQueen would be out of luck in this situation. In all seriousness, I’m a reasonable fellow, if he tried that with some of the big lads, the scaffolders and brickies that drink in the bar etc, he could have got into real trouble.
Amazing how stupid some people are.A punch on the nose is a much greater threat to this moron than 7 people sitting together in a pub
I’m surprised they didn’t put the number at three. You know: ‘one, two, three, a lot’.
Blackadder: If I have two beans, and add two more beans, how many beans do I have?
Baldrick: Some beans, maybe a small casserole.
Best way to combat the Stasi!
Next time just hold up an open hand as if you’re showing 5 and then slowly make a fist.
He got the message, in a noisy and public fashion.
Surely two fingers or even one will suffice…five seems over the top.
Can’t up-rate this enough!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/14/government-can-still-save-christmas/
They know they’ve got to end the bullshit to save Christmas (remember the true spirit of Christmas is profit and that is vital after a spring and summer of ruin). they suggest “two weeks”. Might as well just drop all pretence of controlling the virus right now, and keep it dropped. Let it spread, we don’t mind, Copy Sweden, Bring back normality.
A Tory MP is unhappy:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/watch-senior-tory-bites-back-at-boris
It’s encouraging, though he makes a pukeworthy comment about the Tory Party at the end. There needs to be more of this. Nobody from Labour has criticised the government as strongly as this as far as I am aware.
There are some very satisfying phrases in his piece, well done to him. And I say that as someone who has always voted for anything but tory, and anything but brexit.
Pay wall, could you summarise?
They quote Charles Walker. This is his statement:
I hope I’m not going to foul-tempered tonight. It’s not a disposition I warm to. But Mr Deputy Speaker, there is a worrying trend – a worrying narrative emerging – and this is a good opportunity to get a lot of things on the record as I build an argument over the next two minutes, 45 seconds.
First of all, I am extremely concerned that we are placing severe restrictions on people’s liberties without any recourse to parliament. I would actually vote in certain circumstances to take people’s liberties away if I thought it was in the national interest. But I would like to have the chance to debate it on the floor of the House, to represent the concerns of my constituents.
I’m also concerned that we go around arresting old men in Trafalgar Square for having a peaceful protest and fining them £10,000. I never thought I would ever be defending Mr Corbyn in the chamber of the House of Commons. But I am – I am defending a Corbyn. We’ve got to be allowed to protest without fear of arrest or being fined.
And now today we hear that we’re going to have the public being urged to inform on their friends and neighbours because granny’s followed granddad into a family home of five. This is a profoundly unconservative thing. All of these things are unconservative.
I do think being asked to put this country, this House, members of this House, our constituents, on the wrong side of the law, before we’ve exhausted all other options – and I’m no fan of the EU, I was in every single division lobby for Brexit, I think they’re a pain in the neck – but surely we have to exhaust all other options before we press the nuclear button?
I’m not going to be voting for this Bill at second reading because if you keep whacking a dog, don’t be surprised when it bites you back. We are all members of parliament and we deserve to be taken seriously.
I accept there’s a pandemic – a national crisis – but surely that is the time when our voices should be heard on behalf of our constituents?
So I do hope the government goes away tonight, I do hope that the Prime Minister reflects on what is going on and listens to the concerns of this House, and comes back with a solution that allows me to skip through the division lobby at third reading and support him in this important Bill. Because I do believe, colleagues, that the Conservative party is the greatest party – the greatest political party ever – and we have to have the courage to live up to that greatness.
Here you go Annie…
“So I do hope the government goes away tonight, I do hope that the Prime Minister reflects on what is going on and listens to the concerns of this House, and comes back with a solution that allows me to skip through the division lobby at third reading and support him in this important Bill. Because I do believe, colleagues, that the Conservative party is the greatest party – the greatest political party ever – and we have to have the courage to live up to that greatness.”
None as far as I am aware. Avoid being tested.
As far as I know, the self-isolation based on a positive test or symptoms of yourself or a family member is medical advice and as such can be ignored. Quarantining from abroad is a different kettle of fish.
We are beyond the point where law applies. Laws passed by this government lost their validity on March 23rd 2020. This is a government which rules by decree, announcing legislation on twitter and enforcing it 15 minutes later. Legal grounds are not what matters now, look instead to how you can practically and feasibly oppose the theft of your rights. Our liberties cannot be returned by lawyers, but by having the public make the police realsie that enfrocement is impossible (and give up), and shortly later the politicians realise it id futile to draft laws that cops won’t enforce. (and give up too).
Daniel Andrews was asked about man having head stamped on by Police mid violent attack and the lady pulled from her car by violent police. Andrews replied all can be avoided if people do not protest.
Watch and see what a man with the wrong thing inside him speaks.
https://twitter.com/PhilipWatson_/status/1305448776543293440?s=20
He is one seriously sick individual…..
If so, it’s the sort of sickness that is caused by diabolic possession.
Power-gone-to-head disease.
He said it. In press conference. The link has a clip of question and response.
it was the victims own stupid fault to have his head on the floor whilst the police tap dancing team were having their practice
Ignore, ignore, ignore and rely on the fact that nobody has the faintest idea what you’re doing.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/09/federal-judge-rules-pennsylvanias-stay-home-order-unconstitutional.php
The plaintiffs didn’t challenge the mask order. That’s unfortunate. But good news nonetheless!
Every little helps.
I think the suit came before the mask order.
That is great
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/
The participant who triggered a global shutdown of AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials was a woman in the United Kingdom who experienced neurological symptoms consistent with a rare but serious spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis, the drug maker’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, said during a private conference call with investors on Wednesday morning.
The woman’s diagnosis has not been confirmed yet, but she is improving and will likely be discharged from the hospital as early as Wednesday, Soriot said.
The board tasked with overseeing the data and safety components of the AstraZeneca clinical trials confirmed that the participant was injected with the company’s Covid-19 vaccine and not a placebo, Soriot said on the conference call, which was set up by the investment bank J.P. Morgan.
Soriot also confirmed that the clinical trial was halted once previously in July after a participant experienced neurological symptoms. Upon further examination, that participant was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, deemed to be unrelated to the Covid-19 vaccine treatment, he said.
The first participant was diagnosed with MS, before or after the vaccination?
If it was before then A-Z would have known about it, which clearly didn’t.
If after then the patient couldn’t have been aware of it, although the patient may have started to show signs of the disease but no firm diagnosis, but did the vaccine exacerbate or provoke the mild symptoms?
A-Z cannot just write off the July event as being unrelated. This has potentially life changing effects.
The vaccine could have triggered the MS
Dr Vernon Coleman is on Richie Allen today and will be for many more Mondays in the weeks to come.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1305126407664816129
Love this woman! But why is her friend masked-up in the street?
Some mask wearers just don’t realise they’ve got it on. So habituated to being muzzled that they don’t realise that its there, and quite a few don’t even realise the dangerous message that the mask’s presence is supporting.
Another comment says it’s to satisfy her children.
Gawd.
Dr Vernon Coleman just said that no one could be as stupid as Hancock, Johnson and company. They are not our friends and we should take away all their authority over us before it’s too late.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/15/the-surge-in-covid-cases-is-not-as-it-seems/
Spiked has seen the light
Author says we all thought the bollox was necessary when we were first incarcerated.
I didn’t. I thought it was stark raving lunacy.
Me too
Slight twinge at beginning not wanting to infect anyone but a bit of research (Sucharit Bhakdi, Wolfgang Wodarg, Knut Wittkowski) dealt with that.
Bill Gates should be charged with influence peddling and The Guardian and The BBC should be charged with taking bribes.
The DM on six-snitchers:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8732653/ROSS-CLARK-tragic-Coronaphobia-turning-land-liberty-Stasi-like-state.html
Some of the comments are troubling.
A lot of do your bit and put up with the restrictions or you will all be on ventilators in the winter
The marvellous Andrew on the Edinburgh University scandal.
https://youtu.be/PVxNlmq7Aok
Spot on.
Chicago Uninversity make Black Studies mandatory for all in English Department.
https://twitter.com/phl43/status/1305523696845697025?s=20
Good idea, but the cynical might think it’s a double-bluff.
Looks like the usual non response going on about how great and useful tried and tested vaccines are but not actually addressing the main point that it will be rushed in to production and hinting that they might ‘consider all options to improve vaccination rates’ which could mean anything. They also include the compulsory mention of the ‘second wave’ which has been coming imminently since June.
I suggested a window poster yesterday too. Great minds!
‘We believe it is everyone’s responsibility to do the right thing for their own health’ – yeah, the right thing for me is that I’d rather not take the risk of ruining my own health with an experimental and rushed vaccine…!
But no doubt the disingenuous ‘wider community’ argument will be wheeled out to invalidate and override the concept of personal choice and risk, so that anyone who refuses isn’t just ‘risking’ their own health, but the ‘health’ of the vulnerable as well.
Talking to a friend who organises events. They’ve been told to forget about running a large, open air event in May, though it ‘could’ be feasible in September. I cannot bear the idea that we will be living like this until Christmas let alone another 8 months…. or more.
Not sure but I assume they sought government advice.
Only civil disobedience can end this.
I dream of this. But how? We are in a minority – most people support all of this or at least are happy to go along with it. Organisations won’t push back even though the restrictions will bankrupt many of them – too scared of being shut down. The police and the army are fully behind all of this. Sure we can refuse to wear masks and see who we like but this has minimal impact. What else can we do?
Oh Helz, let me think about it.
While I do so, note: May. No local elections next year.
So we will need to think of something. Posters?
My comments in brackets.
The Government response to the petition – “Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination”.
Government responded:
There are currently no plans to place restrictions on those who refuse to have any potential Covid-19 vaccine.
(Note the word ‘currently’ not ‘under no circumstances’ , therefore they are not ruling it out.)
After clean water, vaccination is the most effective and crucial public health intervention, and a cornerstone of public health that we must not take for granted. It is vital that a significant proportion of people who are offered take up a Covid-19 vaccine in order to protect themselves as well as other vulnerable individuals.
(Once again we have the manipulation of language as throughout this farce where words appear to suggest freedom of decision, but compliance will be enforced through implying harm to others).
Averting a second wave is a key priority for the government and high take up of a vaccine when available will greatly contribute to that.
(So, we are told a second wave is imminent, the vaccine isn’t- thank goodness- so how long is this supposed second wave threat going to be dragged out for. Note we are expected to expose ourselves to a rushed out, dodgy vaccine to support a ‘key priority of the government’, nice to know how valued our well being is).
Immunisations save thousands of lives every year by preventing outbreaks of serious infectious diseases and, in cases such as smallpox and polio, eliminating diseases in the UK altogether. Since the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1968, it is estimated that 20 million cases and 4,500 deaths have been averted in the UK. From 1970 to 2017, it is estimated that rubella vaccination has averted 1,300 babies being born with congenital rubella syndrome and 25,000 terminations. With further innovation and the development of new vaccines, even more lives could be saved.
(They miss the point entirely, as the concern is not about established vaccines, but vaccines that are not meeting the usual safety criteria, standards and research into long term side effects. Vaccines usually take many years before deemed approved).
We believe it is everyone’s responsibility to do the right thing for their own health, ( no, that responsibilty belongs to the individual, not the government) and for the benefit of the wider community (once again the old trick of implying your non compliance will harm others, you selfish person ).
There are currently no plans to introduce a Covid-19 vaccine in a way that penalises those who do not take up the vaccine. However, the Government will carefully consider all options to improve vaccination rates, should that be necessary. ( Well, here we have it, ‘consider all options’, thats a good subjective, broad category, so yes, we will force compliance if our targets are not met. We may not be wrestling you to the ground to whack a needle in, but we will make life’s routines and access to public spaces bloody difficult if you refuse vaccination).
The UK has a world class ( I, so hate this term, rolled out at every opportunity) national immunisation programme which is constantly reviewed and updated to reflect the changing nature of infectious diseases and provide the best protection for the public. All vaccines used in the UK are thoroughly tested, meet strict safety criteria and are carefully monitored after they are introduced into the national programme.
( Yes, to date this has been the case, but the issue with the aversion to any potential Covid vaccine that appears in the next 12 months is that it doesn’t meet this criteria, thus the current consultation on removing licensing).
Our evidence-based immunisation programmes are informed by the advice of our work leading expert committee – the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), which reviews a wide range of scientific and other evidence, keeping the vaccine schedule safe and relevant.
Immunisation offers everyone a chance at a healthy life from the earliest beginnings and into old age. It saves millions of lives every year and is widely recognised as one of the world’s most successful and cost-effective health interventions. High uptake of a Covid-19 vaccine is the best way we have, to protect our health, our jobs, and our economy at large ( The grand finally, those that don’t accept the vaccination programme are selfish people who don’t care about saving lives or their country – you can only imagine the propaganda that will ensue if a vaccine emerges. Pity they hadn’t considered a functioning health service as a contributory factor to public health)
The End
Department of Health and Social Care
Just read the email. Predictable nonsense and patronising shite written by a jumped up government functionary. Agree with your summary entirely.
The very first sentence made my blood boil –
The point is vaccines need to be necessary, demonstrably effective and above all safe.
Absolutely. So considering the mortality rate and the current status of potential vaccines for CV19 , that would be no on all three points.
I just read that… cam straight down here to comment my anger before proceeding to the rest. Unfuckingbelieveable – it’s also a line that has an origin not with the one whole wrote this reply. Is it straight from pharma marketing?
I read on..
I’m back. Polio has been put into circulation through vaccines. That’s nit a great thing. See WHO April 2020 admitting this to be the case. I read on .
Interesting priorities: 1. clean water 2. vaccinations
Ummmm, what about good, natural FOOD?
As expected. I see they are saying they want to introduce the vaccine to prevent a second wave. No doubt we will be on the third wave by the time it appears.
Sorry, that should be ‘finale’ not ‘finally’
Yes, in a wasteland of waffle, the sentence that stood out for me:
However, the Government will carefully consider all options to improve vaccination rates, should that be necessary.
I thought these traitors were supposed to debate this in parliament?
That is almost word for word what the chair of the British Medical Council said at times on LBC With Andrew Castle. Listen to yesterday’s Richie Allen show and you’ll see. The whole analogy with the water, the speel about how they have been the best invention ever.
This whole thing is mad. They are reading right off a script. Empty suits.
I wonder where fluoride fits in with clean water.
Vaccines, untried and rush tested RNA vaccines, are as natural as the air we breath. Oh, I’m so happy says Basil Faulty.
It will straight out of the Behavioural Science/Nudge Unit – which is now a private company, by the way.
Great post and good brackets too. Thank you.
Weird thing twitter! I have been trying to put a few sceptic thoughts around and have ended up with 20 people following me including people from USA and Australia! Oh well if it helps to move things forward. Yesterday I got involved in some threads regarding Australia/Victoria and got a huge number of likes and replies; Suffice it to say that plenty of people are not happy with what is going on in Victoria. But there is probably still a majority who go along with it out of whipped up fear over a ‘deadly virus’
Victoria seems to be bought in to some world wide grouping which I do not understand and so I am not sure if this is relevant?
https://www.europereloaded.com/australias-state-of-victoria-sold-out-to-the-soros-backed-strong-cities-network-scn-with-privatised-police/
But what is clear is that the authorities there as in the UK do not understand the science of SARS-Cov2PCR testing, Politicians everywhere are regarding PCR testing like a speed camera, either OK or speeding – healthy or diseased but it is not like that, and worse still in Victoria the authorities think they can blast it out of existence like the shoot out at the OK corral! Unlike the UK they do have a plan;
https://theconversation.com/victorias-path-out-of-covid-19-lockdown-quick-reference-guides-145674
But the criteria are terrifying, like trying to sweep the beach free of sand, has nobody learnt the lesson of King Canute? With those sort of criteria totally based on PCR testing results they will be locked down for ever. And while one authority is doing this others (with the exception of Sweden) are unwilling to admit reality.
Strong Cities came up on yesterdays uk column
Missed that one, too much information and I’m also painting the house!
But the frightening thing to me is the criteria they are working to, it is clearly a zero covid strategy;
No new cases for 28 days, state-wide.
And by cases they mean PCR test results.
It is akin to burning your house down because you have a mouse in the kitchen!
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Personal test experience of past few days.
Nephew back to school last Wednesday.
His best friend calls in sick and is off on Friday.
Nephew comes down with high temp on Saturday, has some calpol and goes to bed.
My sister in law can’t get a test anywhere but finally gets one on Sunday.
In the meantime his friend is feeling much better but his mother is now unwell and in bed too.
Come Monday all are feeling better but can’t go to school without test results.
This morning nephew has just been told he has tested negative.
I am sure this situation is happening but and down the country.
It’s usual back to school seasonal colds.
My daughter had a cough for about a week, it’s cleared up now. School didn’t mention it, we didn’t mention it, and we certainly did not get her a COVID test!
What!!!! An outbreak of common sense.
The government/advisers/experts will soon put a stop to that.
According to YouGov poll 107% of respondents would support that.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/life/call-snitch-want-civic-duty-tell-covidiots/
(paywall) but he has asthma so says he was a prisoner in his home. However he looked out of his window and to see guests arriving at neighbours’ houses; at weekends, my local parks were full of large crowds, with no attempt to socially distance; and on buses and trains, many of my fellow passengers refused to wear masks”.He was disapointed that the police had better things to do. Why should everyone out their lives on hold and wear face nappies when he is staying inside only? Loic is that I can’t afford a Porsche therefore noone should have one.
Reads like a SPI-B list of wants. They are telling us we need to refresh our commitment to their bollocks, they’seen our commitment wane and relax. This whole new wave of bollocks is being used to propagandise the fear back into the vulnerables.
Each story containes an identifed demograph, the young mum, now the underlying healthista.
SPI-B wants SPI-B gets.
They need to be brought to justice for the psychological attack on the public
Yes I feel it is criminal. We all have a right to live in peace.
From CPS website, I’d say our leaders are ticking enough boxes:
Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public. It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.
Examples include:
It is important to note that in order to be convicted of a terrorism offence a person doesn’t actually have to commit what could be considered a terrorist attack. Planning, assisting and even collecting information on how to commit terrorist acts are all crimes under British terrorism legislation.
He claims he was a prisoner in his own home, but witnessed people misbehaving in parks, trains and buses. He has certainly been out and about more than me.
probably has a telescope
Silly old fool, I’ve had assmar all my life and COPD, hasn’t stopped me being out & about every single day since March 23rd
Yeah pretty embarrassing. My wife has asthma and she couldn’t be less bothered about catching COVID. Why do these people want everyone to share their fear?
Why do people (news orgs) interview and share his fear. Propaganda.
Dog in the manger. In any case if he is young he is still pretty much at zero risk.
You could have a sign for your cafe saying non-vaccinated people welcome.
No doubt someone would moan on TwatFace about it, which would be great advertising for you.
The operative sentence in the response is:
However, the Government will carefully consider all options to improve vaccination rates, should that be necessary.
Translation: we couldn’t care less about this petition.
If there is any compulsion towards vaccination I’m sure capitalism will step in and we’ll all be able to buy forged certificates on ebay or Amazon.
I reckon you and your business will do all right out of this.
Sedition
I am wondering what the next move will be in response to the latest testing snafu. My first thought was that running out of tests could only be a good thing. Less dodgy data to fuel hysteria with. But since the Government have hitched their horse to universal testing to ‘control the virus’ will this mean a new lock down?
There will be more lock down, restrictions and demands until we hold those responsible to account.
Well they originally hitched their wagon to ventilators, and now everyone has forgotten that they were all the rage a few months ago. I’m sure they could do the same with testing if they wanted to, they have enough people under their weird spell.
That would be the ideal! But it would leave them without a tool for maintaining the narrative to justify saving humanity with vaccines.
Very true, another ‘lockdown’ (damn I hate that piece of prison terminology) is probably more likely, sadly!
Quick update on the great “return to work” – am venturing to the City next week but talking to those who have been back I suspect the return for what it is worth is not going to last very long – still businesses with almost no one back – the lift problem isn’t going away anytime soon – heard of one building yesterday where it is only one person per lift. Most buildings are not allowing visitors so people meeting outside in coffee shops if open. So people just coming in to see workmates but them spending time on Teams or Zoom so being in the office and back in London (so either commuting pain or leaving their second home in nice parts of the country where most have have been for six months) is pointless and once the weather turns and you can’t sit outside to have a meeting that it’s really it. Suspect by October any return momentum will have fizzled out and reversed. Well done Alexander Johnson – London was certainly far from perfect but you have managed to do more damage than the the Luftwaffe
The professor Clark of Reading University sky news go to pundit said he is fine with those many thousands of sandwich bars coffee shops going bust in the event people remain out of cities.
Clark is one smart cookie, arrogant enough to wish unemployment and loss of livelioods on vast numbers of people. All said with a friendly I’m your pal smile.
Would he be fine he lost his job?
I mean who on earth would want to attend university with the current systems these fools have put in place?
And all the while getting his monthly salary. It’s the same with the SAGE committee. These people have no skin in the game so don’t care who gets thrown out of work by their pettifogging little rules.
By the way, it’s ONS death stats day. Should make interesting reading once again.
Typical academic idiot – the point he is clearly missing is that whilst the sandwich shops etc are the obvious and in some cases slightly easy casualties ( and perhaps too easy to be dismissive of Impact given often young overseas workers) – to eco system that supported that workforce and the overseas visitors that visit is enormous and stretches right through the economy – it’s the tailors / shoe shops (and the factories in Northampton they support) / dry cleaners / onsite childcare / shirt shops / pubs / restaurants/ taxis / hotels / the office movers / refurbishers / the serviced industry / gyms / personal trainers / barbers / beauty clinics / physio therapists / private GPs / dentists – terms of thousands of individuals across the income scale – not always visible on basements or tucked away in corners but there if you look hard enough.
The London mayor did his bit too
Yes forgot that odious individual !
Very similar here..been back in my City office..The lifts have 4 people limit, but yesterday myself and my team all crammed in( 8of us)..When we came to our floor one of the PA’s saw us and her head almost exploded..She grassed me to the head of Facilities (lucky a fellow skeptic) and he just laughed at her..They tried to take my temperature, I just said I don;t consent and they said ok.. Now most of my team are doing the same..I have a feeling that my rebellious behavior will soon be reported, but we will cross that bridge in time
Great graph to see some perspective on covid mortality
https://twitter.com/Emma23586054/status/1305751806472060929?s=20
Hope this hasn’t been posted already but it does put Covid in its place.
More proof to show mankind just shot itself in the foot.
I expect this has come up earlier and I missed it but not sure what to make of this;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54120753
The government has boxed themselves in with this hoo-haa and I wonder if it is only these sort of technical innovations (or a vaccine) that will give them the chance to bail out with some credibility?
It’s another thing to inject into us to protect us – sorry, everyone else – against a disease that really poses very little threat to the majority of us. Risk of dying or seriously suffering from Covid vs risk of being injected with something that has not been properly tested, trialled or licensed…? It’s a no brainer for me,
My question is – where are they going to find 2,000 people seriously ill from the covids? Not in this country, that’s for sure.
Just listening to Pathetic Patel on the radio who has just said people must be stopped from “Mingling”
Anybody fancy a “Mingle”?
Usual time, usual place?
Are Mingles a new brand of crisps?
Don’t give em ideas, they will ban crisps next.
Weren’t Mingles a confectionery produced many years ago?
Yes.
Anything like twiglets?
Thankfully not.
Yes, I remember the slogan, ‘you can’t just eat a single mingle’. That advertising sure worked on me!
I mingled as lot during my Uni days and in my 20-30s..Good times..Wait ? What are talking about here again?
Yes, see my post above. Sorry I posted it in the wrong place!
Minglememingleyou
She’s a witch. I do like a good “mingle” though, hopefully my wife is not reading this
She had a good look at the site yesterday, a long hard thoughtful look actually.
Isn’t it strange that they are not also testing for flu?
Every year we have a flu drama. All non-urgent procedures are postponed to free up capacity; hospitals run at 99%; there’s always a political argument that ends up with £3-4 billion more funding for the NHS. Roughly 25-30,000 people die of influenza or pneumonia.
So we would assume that the same would happen this year. But, this time, it is “second wave”, national testing programmes, spikes, epidemics, moonshots, hotspots. Better lock the country down.
I strongly suspect they know that the NHS is normally at full capacity in winter, and they are afraid the media will dramatise it. They can’t say: “It’s OK, it’s flu not Covid”, so better to lock down now and declare victory next spring.
It’s only £300 billion. Better to be safe than sorry.
This is just for Northern Ireland but general capacity in the hospitals. Has been creeping up latestly. From 75% about two months ago, now at around 88%. Not reflective of CV-19 admissions. So it’s all just a nonsense with all the attention on CV-19.
BBC R4 News interviewing the Home Secretary, it’s all about the “failure of Track’n’Trace to provide enough tests” as though it matters because they must know it’s all bollocks. Just like masks, another diversion from the real issues.
Battle if Britain? More like the phoney war.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. So, the world beating, wonderful testing system is in a bit of a mess right now! The NHS, schools, care homes are waiting ages for results, thus affecting their activities. People asked to go 100s of miles for a test that may take days to come back. A test that is so sensitive (lots of cycles) that it will pick up any remnant dregs of RNA such that even a papaya fruit can test positive. Then we have the Fat Controller’s idea of a “moon shot” whereby 10 million people will be tested every day. Plus the world beating contact tracing app coming on 24th. It’s a joke! Well Gov. are a joke full stop. They could, and may have to, make the test less sensitive (less cycles) so as to only pick up high (and more infectious) viral loads. Something they should have done long ago. Ah well, the good news is that the “casedemic” will now decline if they cannot manage more testing. The downside is that people with sniffles (who for some reason seek a test) will cause whole swathes of workplaces, schools and Universities to cease functioning whilst results come back. You couldn’t make it up. Let’s get back to “normal”, protect the elderly and vulnerable and continue on the road to herd immunity, we are getting closer.
The formula I use for herd immunity threshold (Ht) is the classic
Ht = 1 – (1/R0) .
With R0 around 1.2 now, Ht is circa 20%. When R0 was 3 back in March Ht was around 70%. We have made progress. Let’s finish the job and get on with life.
Stay sceptical, control the hysteria, save lives!
Well 2 weeks back at school and my daughter has a stinking cold (yes it is just a cold). Just goes to show how effective all that mask wearing, 2m distancing, one-way systems, deep-cleaning, hand sanitising, bubbling, etc. has been at stopping viruses. The “science” being applied in the real world right now is one step away from using the entrails of a frog to predict your future.
Hope you have booked a test? <runs for the door quickly>.
If I was to be sent a test I would shove it up my a*** and sent it back with the missive “Analyse that!”.
It would come back positive…as these tests are as about as reliable as knitted condoms are to birth control..
First day back in Sixth Form my daughter’s came down with a stinking cold. Viruses will spread full-stop. We should have let it spread from May to now rather than this irrational behaviour.
You are so right.
The 10x per day hand sanitizer is a major contributor to reducing their immune systems.
Only FIVE varieties though!
BBC R2 Monday afternoon.
Broadcasted the following with a working class blokey voice
“Yeah people who break lockdown laws are just like terrorists just like walking the streets with a machine gun they should be treated like terrorists”.
This was not the random nutter on the Jeremy Vine phone-in but came during the BBC Radio 2 NEWS. The statement was not attributed and not put into any type of context.
Nudge at work. We have seen it strongly over the past few days with this latest clamp down.
News content following the script as always.
That was Kit Malthouse, the dishonourable member for North Hampshire (my parent’s MP) and Minister of State in the Home Office and Ministry of Justice on the Today show wasn’t it?
Come on, you dissidents, dissenters, sceptics; that’s enough vertual mingling!!
Take notice of your Auntie Patel.
No, it’s “minglin”, she goes in for the silent’g’, it’s like listening to Simon Templar or Lord Peter Whimsey.
Yes, but sadly unlike the characters you mentioned, she’s not fictional, more’s the pity.
But then again “You couldn’t make her up”
Minglinz mingin’.
I am alarmed to see that there is a government consultation paper to change the law around bringing unlicensed vaccines to mass market to help ease the Covid vaccine through. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines#proposed-expansion-to-the-workforce-eligible-to-administer-vaccinations
Indeed.
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Cameron, May, and now this cretin.
We cannot go on running a country like that
Except it’s the same or more in France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Holland, Ireland
I’m ex-forces but violence doesn’t come naturally to me. Yesterday a fleeting thought came to me about what I would do if I came across Boris hanging from a lamppost (by his neck obviously).
No thinking necessary. I’d hold his ankles & add my weight.
This whole hoax is going to end very badly. If normal people like me are starting to think like this what are lunatics on the fringes thinking? Especially those who are believers? God help us.
My fear is that this will end in a extreme rightwing, libertarian, survivalist backlash.
Let’s hope so. I’ll fight.
You write that like it’s a bad thing….
Possibly right Philip, but it would play out like the film World War Z, so many zombies, so few normal people…
We aren’t there yet, hang on there we’ll find a way out of this mess…
I truly hope so.
Bear in mind a “backlash” from “extremists” doesn’t mean those people taking over, it means significant pressure to pull the mainstream in that direction.
Libertarian pressure means reduction in government powers over individuals and the restoration and protection of civil rights. Extremism in that direction is absolutely what we need right now.
“Survivalists” is pretty much just an American thing and used here as some kind of smear, but in fact we absolutely could do with a lot of pressure to restore individual self-reliance and fortitude.
“Rightwing” depends on where you yourself stand (or think you stand) on the core political spectrum, but my view is that we have objectively shifted so far to the the left over the past century or so that pushing back somewhat in the other direction can only be a good thing. Those who doubt this are ignoring the decades of indoctrination by an elite class of the kind of people who run the BBC (known to be dominated by Labour and SDP supporters who hate anything “right wing”), and the stark reality that we are currently living under the rule of the least left wing of our mainstream parties, and yet have a government who don’t just support collectivist nationalised healthcare, they actively worship it, who condone the police and authorities kowtowing to the anti-white racist mobs of BLM, and who believe that unlimited government spending regardless of any possibility of repaying it is fine (the inherently leftist “magic money tree” approach).
If these things were being done by the party representing the left, they would be reasonable to expect, but they aren’t. This is the best that is currently available to conservative voters – the “Conservative” Party, a party of the soft left.
Absolutely on the money Mark. Totally agree. Just want to add that we must be an open church, many people on the left side of the political system are also seeing this government made disaster for what it is & I for one want every right minded person on side for this fight. (We’ll save the political chats for after we’ve won, or in the trenches during lulls in the fighting…). Cheers, Arnie.
Feeling down with it all the other day, I was suddenly cheered by the thought of someone assassinating Johnson, Hancock et al. I definitely felt better.
Remember those days when happiness wasn’t a crime Sam? Ahh those were the days!..
The words “herd immunity” have crept in to the language. But didn’t we previously call it Resistance? We are resistant to flu but we fight it and we recover. We are not immune. Isn’t that the same thing here? The evidence is that we are also naturally resistant to Covid. That’s why the rapid rise in deaths in April was never going to keep rising exponentially.
To be a really dangerous threat, the disease would have to kill people with a different age distribution from normal. It did not. The age distribution was exactly as normal: 40% over 85. Now, maybe they were the healthy over 85’s and it was next going to start on the terminally ill. But the exact opposite is the case. It started on the terminally ill and did not go much beyond there. 90% had an additional cause of death on the death certificate.
And of course they keep using the Spanish flu example to keep the fear going, particularly of the “second wave” when what this virus has shown is that it is completely unlike the Spanish flu and acts exactly like the regular viruses we have always lived with. So why keep using the Spanish Flu as an analogue?
Yes, as per this shameful article in Telegraph – comments section turned off (wonder why?):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/bill-gates-warns-mutually-exacerbating-catastrophes-calls-collaboration/
The non-medically, and non-scientifically qualified Gated gives us the benefit of his views on the Spanish Flu and the subsequent ‘mutually exacerbating catastrophes’ that we are about to see again unless …..
Sweden insisted that herd immunity wasn’t the goal and you can see that they’ve been proven right. It’s become a low level endemic disease. Herd immunity, like second wave, has been one of the many buzz terms that have been latched onto and overused, as always happens.
Herd immunity is really immunity from large scale injury. We have “herd immunity” from measles and chicken pox but we still get it. So it’s relative.
What isn’t being pointed out is that we already have a limited blast radius from respiratory diseases even when we actively cause more collateral damage (as per the care home policy).
The flu has been the control over this whole charade. The absolute numbers are down due to misattribution (we can see that in the decrease in the usual top ten causes of death). But then for the recent months the rates of flu have followed the usual pattern.
The flu is the control for testing viral spread.
All the measures have done nothing
I have been trying to figure out why there has been a sudden switch in focus and sudden urgency in giving the flu shot for the first time to all children here in Ireland and the UK, and all I can think is it is a criminal attempt to engineer a “second wave”.
The shot, once given, will shed the flu virus which will spread throughout our susceptible populations. We know that flu each year kills more people than covid so we can fully expect the death count amongst the elderly will ramp up once again as a direct result and produce the sought after “second wave”. We are also well aware that all these deaths will be classified as covid deaths in order to justify the ongoing draconian lock down measures. A win-win for the NWO!
I don’t think there is much we can do to slow the vaccine momentum given the large number of lock down fanatics out there, but you can and should refuse to allow your children to be vaccinated for flu.
Also, if you have any elderly relatives then you ought to protect them by ensuring their immune systems are boosted using natural remedies/vitamins to prevent them from becoming a statistic.
I’ve never had the flu jab. Is it a “live” virus or a dead one in the jab?
This from the HSE Ireland web site…
“the Fluenz Tetra nasal spray suspension Influenza vaccine (live attenuated, nasal) manufactured by AstraZeneca AB for children aged 2 to 12 years
Punch drunk. Tetraflu or similar name advisory note was posted here recently. The note suggested the flu might be shed for two weeks post jab and there for keeping away from vulnerable people advised. A trade off decision was to be made giving the flushot to vulnerable between possibly causing the flu by vaccine and the chances of them encountering wild flu. Both risks to be weighed up.
Correct. Vaccinated children sheds the vaccine. In addition the flu vaccine is contraindicated to Covid infection – links below
I mentioned the conversation I had with a friend on a different forum where we disagreed about mask wearing. I will report in more detail when the new page comes up but he has just stated ‘Those who cannot wear masks because they are exempt should not be allowed into shops’. You cannot win with these people.
Note that there is a wonderful cover all clause in the legislation:
This includes (but is not limited to):
Add your own reason for exemption!
The logic of not allowing people in to shops is that they should starve to death. What his way of getting round that?
We are told that 200,000 tests are being carried out daily at the moment, who are these people, when everyone who might conceivably benefit such as care home workers are apparently struggling to get one?
With 2% positive, why aren’t MPs even questioning the monumental waste of resources? You don’t need to be in any way a sceptic for that. Just interested in keeping the public finances afloat
Testing companies are going to end up owning the country
You mean the bit that’s leftover from the health care industry? Oh and the security industry!
Schools seem to be a huge issue, with mass testing of contacts when a child gets a sniffle. I would personally suggest no testing of under 16s in the community.
Local schools only have 10 kits each
Melbourne have cracke a way of protesting. Thousands are leaving boots outside in protest. Give dan the boot is the message.
I’m sure he is quaking in his boots.
The neighbours get to see the boots you are walking in. Wouldn’t that be good to see.
My neighbours cant see beyond the end of their own nose so I doubt they will see the boots I am walking in. They are good at clapping on command I will give them that.
I have to admit whatever your response is meant to mean/imply has gone over my head.
Bung boots outside on gate. Every one sees. Streets, villages all over. All of a sudden the skeptics are visible to one another.
Ah I see now. A little slow this morning. Interesting idea.
Simon Dolan was just on LBC talking to Nick Ferrari, good interview. Hopefully possible to playback somewhere. Followed an interview with Pritti Patel, which he just highlighted the absurdity of the rule of six. She couldn’t provide any kind of halfway decent response.
She is 0n about recruiting 100,000 more police though. I wonder what they will be doing (Covid patrol).
Always they throw these huge flat figure numbers out through media as nothing other than a distraction. Which, without exception, is never challenge. Where is the minimum of £3000000000 going to come from to pay for yet more plod ?
Ps. Using my Diane Abbott maths there, but you get the irony.
I imagine most of it will be printed and that goes for most countries. There is no-one to borrow all the money off
Will they wear brown shirts? Just so we know who the Marshals are..
Toby’s maths isn’t strong: “Sweden’s death toll stands at 578 deaths per million, around 0.06% of its population”. Actually it’s 0.0006%. The same as us, the US, etc.
I would really love some data about the the mythical “long covid” aside from individual doctors saying they have X number of patients still complaining of Y symptoms Z months on. Entirely anecdotal. Never has any illness ever had longer lasting consequences?? But anyway, if they had the data to tell me a percentage of all those infected who go on to get persistent long term symptoms which impact daily life, and the age ranges this affects, then it would help their argument. But I very strongly suspect that the data would prove that so few people actually get these phantom long term symptoms that it would be yet more evidence to ignore it entirely.
I bet it is not that many people but it has been used in the media to add a bit of drama. There are recognised long term conditions (for example https://www.medicinenet.com/myocarditis/article.htm) but these are common to many infections.
Think Handsy Hancock mentioned last week there were 40k (might have been 60k) sufferers of ‘long covid’. From the Diane Abbott school of arithmetic!
Double it. Add a bit,. Times it by 10.
I’ve even read people saying asymptomatics get lung damage that lies dormant without them knowing.
There must be an alternative ‘lockdown zealots’ site where such mythical studies are posted.
Just trying to update myself: so, this disease that you can’t tell you’ve got, without a test that doesn’t work, because you have no symptoms, and for which the treatment is “Go home”, gives you another condition that you can’t tell you’ve got? And then it lasts a ‘long’ time. Bloody hell, it is dangerous!
I thought I’d lost you there but you redeemed yourself. Yes it’s dangerous. Stay safe. Hope to see you Thursday for our NHS clap, socially distanced of course.
Yes..it’s called very single MSM website..BBC,DM,Guardian..
as well as its user generated arm social media.
By same logic as Long Covid the vaccine induced Myetis and possible MS could be considered Long Vaccine.
and Long Lockdown Syndrome
Some people take longer to fully recover from sever viral infections. Most of it is to do with nutrient deficiencies and the Krebs cycle struggle to produce ATP (energy)
I think I may have found the source of the blanket DNACPRs in care homes.
As part of my mandatory training I have to undertake a Basic Life Support online course. I also looked at the next level course, which is actually in-hospital Advanced life support. It has been updated and includes covid-19 related actions. One of the actions is referral to critical care, if the clinical fraility score is 5 or more then CPR is unlikely to be beneficial and a DNACPR may be appropriate. Thus, if a patient is discharged from hospital with a CFS of more than 5 then they could leave hospital with a DNACPR in place. https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng159/resources/clinical-frailty-scale-pdf-8712262765
I’ve just been reading the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation covid-19 report.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/goalkeepers/report/2020-report/?utm_medium=ads&utm_source=google-search&utm_content=464480756764&utm_term=gates%20foundation&utm_campaign=RPT_INT_Goalkeepers&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1YHcntnq6wIVyYBQBh3Z8wAGEAAYASAAEgKdrPD_BwE#GlobalPerspective
They get a lot right – the horrors of the economic collapse, stalled vaccination programs, development put back 25 years in 25 weeks etc.
Unfortunately they say the government responses were ‘necessary’ and the way of getting out of this is through vaccination. So haven’t really learned from Sweden
Given the source, are you really suprised at that?
not surprised at all. But I’m glad the ‘non-covid’ effects of the lockdowns are getting more of an airing because it swamps the covid nonsense.
Or Pakistan
Ivor Cummins 8th Sept video
Nearly at 700k views.
For anyone who hasn’t seen it or shared it onwards
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
quote from Bill Gates report
“Current data suggests that children are less likely to have severe disease from coronavirus infection than older adults. However, as coverage for routine immunizations decreases and case management for pneumonia and diarrhea have been interrupted due to the pandemic, children are increasingly vulnerable. Models predict that acute malnutrition will increase dramatically, which will make it harder for children to fight off infectious diseases.”
and that infant mortality could increase by 10 per 1000 live births due to the response to the pandemic (difference between worse and reference scenarios). Given that there are 140 million births per year, this corresponds to 1.4 million extra under 5 year old deaths per year. Puts the 800,000 worldwide deaths of care home residents into perspective. God alone knows what the lost QALYs will be.
Models predict. Is my take home from that.
The Omnibus Party is genius (in the links).
“Omnibus means “By, with, or for, everyone”. The political meaning is not immediately obvious and hence not easily dismissed, yet both liberties and rights are strongly present within the meaning and associations of the word ‘Omnibus’. “
Yep I’m a big fan of this. Doesn’t matter where we fit within the political spectrum, or what we think about Brexit, and so on. Very powerful stuff. Let’s get this ‘bus on the road!
As businesses are exempt from the “rule of six”, as a loophole couldn’t I just form a Limited company (which can be done for less than £10) and use my home address as the registered office address?
Then, I would be able to have over more than six people at my house, and if I was to get reported and the Police were to attend, they wouldn’t be able to do anything as I am having a business meeting. If queried on this I have got the certificate of formation, and they could also confirm this on the Companies House website.
Apparently there has been unprecedented demand at companies house
If you have pre-school aged children you just need to say that you’re child minding, but having to keep to the child/adult ratio
If they are there to do work, they don’t count towards the six limit. So, your guests just need to look like workmen; maybe a Village People themed party?
“Results of 43 EQAs were examined, giving a median false positive rate of 2.3% (interquartile range 0.8-4.0%). ”
“Unless we understand the operational false positive rate of the UK’s RT-PCR testing system we risk overestimating the COVID-19 incidence, the demand on track and trace, and the extent of asymptomatic infection. ”
from
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf
Firstly, don’t tell anyone you’ve been told to self-isolate. Consider getting one of these doorbells that alert your phone and you can speak to whoever is at the door without actually being at home. https://en-uk.ring.com/?gclsrc=aw.ds&?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIieHYuN_q6wIVjN_tCh3KvgTyEAAYASAAEgIq7_D_BwE
If you’re out and you have a back entrance use that rather than the front during your isolation. Look very closely at who is around when you approach your house from the front. If you have any doubt, don’t enter.
They key thing is not to tell anyone that you’re going overseas, say it’s a week in Cornwall/Wales, and not to tell anyone, if it happens, that you have been told to isolate.
A fellow sceptic sent me this video about the current situation in NZ. It looks like the “outbreak” in NZ has been manufactured in order to bring about lockdowns and mask-wearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcONxyAJ8S4&feature=youtu.be
When tv reporters interview the “man and woman in the street” I wonder why said man/woman always but always agree that “the government are doing the right thing, that they are protecting the old, vulnerable etc.
Surely it would be just and fair to interview the odd dissident person.
Anyone would think that this was “fixed and/or fabricated” wouldn’t they?
I was interviewed once on radio, on behalf of a small local museum. Nothing controversial. But I had to rehearse the whole thing, questions and answers, before going “live”. It’s easy enough for tv reporters to do that too. Carefully chosen buzz-phrases and “approved” sentences.
They will be interviewing them but they will never put them on air. If they don’t match the narrative they will never see any airtime.
I’ve been noticing this. E.g. as I mentioned in an earlier post Radio Four’s news reported on the police ‘correcting’ mothers for holding a toddlers picnic in a Bristol park as numbers topped six. Two mothers were interviewed both sounded very contrite – as opposed to being bloody outraged! (I hope I’m recounting the report correctly – it is how I recall it anyway)
I hope too Bristol mothers today are organising a jamboree in the park today on this sunny day (well, it is here up North)
It’s fixed. When the Portuguese national football team recently went to play with Sweden, RTP (a Portuguese TV station) managed to interview the only two people in Stockholm who believed that they had murdered their old and vulnerable. They also thought that masks should be compulsory everywhere at all times. I’m not sure if they bribed them or just kept looking for people until they got the ‘right’ answers.
I wonder how when the collaborators tell us that the government are doing the right thing, etc, they can explain to me exactly how destroying the economy, jobs,businesses and the future of our children of all ages is somehow a good and right thing to do.
It’s very funny how all the ones supporting all the Government and adhering to all the laws and guidelines, seem to be your FBPE’ers and Blairites who are the ones most opposed to this Government.
I tried to put a comment on Metro UK against the lockdown and I was told that they wouldn’t accept it because and I quote “It is not inline with our community guidelines”
Got to go now, there’s 2 men in trench coats banging on my door.
Only joking, well I am for the present.
Tuesday’s page has arrived:
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/09/15/latest-news-135/#comments
Bureaucrats ‘deny the evidence, Hydroxychloroquine reduces COVID death by 73 per cent’: Craig Kelly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PVD76yu0Vc
Sky News Australia
Liberal MP Craig Kelly says studies have shown a 73 per cent reduction rate in mortality where Hydroxychloroquine was dispensed to COVID infected patients, yet Australian health bureaucrats continue to deny the evidence. Mr Kelly said on Thursday an Italian peer-reviewed study showed a 73 per cent reduction of mortality where Hydroxychloroquine was administered. A further study from Saudi Arabia produced the same figure – Hydroxychloroquine caused a 73 per cent reduction in death from COVID. He told Sky News host Alan Jones early in the coronavirus pandemic period, doctors were free to prescribe Hydroxychloroquine to patients for off label use. “It’s a drug that is lawful for doctors to use,” Mr Kelly said. “We’ve got health bureaucrats in this country who think they know better than thousands upon thousands of doctors all around the world, and have banned this.” He said despite studies showing incredible results from this previously legal drug, the Queensland chief health officer “has not only (made) it illegal, but put a six months criminal penalty if a doctor prescribes it or if a chemist would dispense it to a Queenslander”. “We’re talking about people’s lives here … a 73 per cent reduction, and we’re getting study after study after study after study, all showing the same result, but we’ve got our health bureaucrats digging in because they’re afraid to say ‘hang on a minute, we’ve made a mistake’. “They deny the evidence that continues to roll in day after day.”
I wonder why they continue to deny its effectiveness? Over to you Mr Fauci and Mr Gates.