As Rishi Sunak fires the starting pistol on the 2024 General Election, voters are starting to look at where the parties stand on the issues. While manifestoes are yet to appear, the Mail has got in early with an overview. Here’s an excerpt:
Immigration:
Tories: The PM has made the Rwanda deportation plan the key part of his efforts to tackle the small boats crisis in the Channel. He claims this will provide the deterrent effect needed to stop migrants making the perilous journey to Britain. But Mr. Sunak has been forced to admit the first deportation flights to Rwanda will only take off after the General Election. The PM has previously admitted the level of legal migration to Britain is “too high” and has taken action to crackdown on visas for dependants of students and social care workers. He is also said to be considering curbs on graduate visas amid Tory concerns these are used as a “backdoor” for migrants to remain in Britain.
Labour: Sir Keir has branded the Rwanda scheme a “gimmick” and vowed to scrap it if he wins power. Labour is instead promising to establish a new ‘Border Security Command’ to work with Border Force, MI5 and the National Crime Agency on prosecuting people-smuggling gangs operating small boat routes. The party is also vowing to clear the asylum backlog by recruiting more staff to process claims and return people to safe countries.
Lib Dems: Sir Ed’s party wants to scrap the Tories’ Illegal Migration Act and provide safe and legal routes for asylum seekers to come to Britain. It argues this will help prevent Channel crossings. The Lib Dems also want to lift the ban on asylum seekers working in the U.K. if they have been waiting on a decision for more than three months, which will enable migrants to “support themselves, integrate in their communities and contribute through taxation”.
Reform: Mr. Tice’s party wants to see “net zero” immigration, which means the number of people legally allowed to live and work in the U.K. each year equals the number emigrating, so the overall population remains approximately the same. It also claims Britain should be picking Channel migrants out of boats in order to return them to France.
Gender:
Tories: The PM has hailed new draft guidance for schools, published by the Government last week, that states the “contested topic of gender identity” should not be taught at all. Mr. Sunak has repeatedly tried to draw a dividing line with Labour on gender issues and accused Sir Keir of changing his position on “defining a woman”. The PM told last year’s Conservative Party conference: “We shouldn’t get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be. They can’t; a man is a man and a woman is a woman. That’s just common sense.”
Labour: It has recently emerged how Sir Keir’s party wants to “simplify” the process for changing gender by making it “less medicalised”. Labour’s plans, which are expected to go to consultation if the party wins the election, could include allowing a single doctor or gender specialist to sign off on a decision over a gender recognition certificate. Sir Keir has previously faced intense pressure to clarify his personal views after saying in 2021 that it is “not right” to say that only women have a cervix. Last year, the Labour leader stated that 99.9% of women “of course haven’t got a penis” – which suggested he believed one in 1,000 women have male genitalia. Sir Keir later admitted he had U-turned on his past support for self-identification for trans people following the SNP’s meltdown over new gender recognition laws in Scotland.
Lib Dems: Sir Ed’s party is promising to “respect and defend the rights and identities of all LGBT+ people, including trans and non-binary people”.
Reform: Mr. Tice’s party want to ban “transgender ideology” in schools, with Reform stating “there are two sexes and two genders”.
Security and defence:
Tories: The PM recently pledged to boost defence spending to 2.5% by 2030, which marked a return to a promise first made by Boris Johnson. Mr. Sunak has also committed to at least £3 billion in military support every year for Ukraine until 2030.
Labour: Sir Keir has failed to match the Government’s pledge on defence spending. His party has said it is “totally committed” to reaching the 2.5% goal but not yet set a date for that target to be met, only saying they will do so “as soon as resources allow that to happen”. But Labour have backed the Government’s commitment on military support for Ukraine.
Lib Dems: Sir Ed’s party is promising to work “more closely” with NATO and EU nations in the “joint development of innovative defence technologies”. The Lib Dems have also said they will cancel “the Conservative Government’s cut to the Army”.
Reform: Mr. Tice’s party is promising to increase defence spending to 2.5% of GDP within three years, and then boost it to 3% within six years.
Worth reading in full.
Personally, I can’t shake off the feeling that however bad a Labour Government will be, the Tories have to be punished for spending 14 years in power and doing the utter opposite of what they promised to achieve: tax at record levels, immigration at record levels, debt at record levels, worklessness at record levels, a public sector as wasteful and inefficient as ever, wokery out of control and the unending growth of new laws in place of personal freedom – none of which helped by the 18 months of ruinous and pointless lockdowns. Plus a fanatical commitment to the utopian Net Zero project that will immiserate us all. I know I’m supposed to hold my nose and vote for them to keep the loony Left out. But this time I just don’t think I can do it. How about you?
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Our Tory MP announced last week he was standing down. It came as a surprise to the local party.
The Tories will be lucky to rustle up a candidate in time for anyone to vote for.
Maybe he will do something interesting, unexpected, and thoroughly principled, like Lee Anderson did… in joining Reform.
Redwood’s announced he’s standing down as well.
After years of arguing for Conservativism, looks like he’s finally given up on the Treacherous Blue-Green Socialist Tories who have taken over the party.
The Mogg would sacrifice his own tribe of kids before leaving the fake conservatives.
Reform.
I would have voted reform if Richard Tice hadn’t made it abundantly clear I’m not welcome in the party. He did that when he told Andrew Bridgen he’s not welcome. He then after getting massive backlash tried to backpedal and pretend his position on the Covid vaccines was always different from what it became. The problem is the incident left a very bad taste in the mouth and revealed how he will behave under pressure and when caught out and it wasn’t a nice sight to behold.
Just think about the fact he told Bridgen he isn’t welcome! How draconian is that?! It showed the angle he was trying to play which he reverse ferreted on, all without apologising to Andrew Bridgen. So Bridgen isn’t welcome in the party because he holds a position Tice came to hold two weeks later yet yet after those two weeks Tice didn’t even have the guts to address why Bridgen still wasn’t welcome or that he had “reformed” his position. So now I simply can’t vote for Tice. The guy is a disgrace.
I feel the same way about him. Saying that, they are all a motley crew that don’t inspire hope in any shape, form or fashion.
What is so disappointing is I really really wanted him to be an alternative I could vote for, and for a while I thought he was. I know this is often said about politicians for tribal reasons, but the whole affair gave me the sudden realisation that as well as lacking character (along with most of the rest of them) he’s basically a bit thick. They could now have a fantastically popular MP who has actually shown some principles and backbone.
Thank you for that reminder— I’d forgotten about his treatment of the heroic Andrew Bridgen. Does anyone know why Bridgen fell out with Lawrence Fox and the Reclaim Party earlier?
I think he thought going as an independent would serve him better. There was no fall out.
see recent interview with doc malik
https://rumble.com/v4uyxbl-172-andrew-bridgen-mp.html
Reform or Conform?
Thank you for that reminder— I’d forgotten about that, so I looked up Reform’s current position and found this:
Nigel Farage calls for public inquiry into Covid vaccine harms, demanding: ‘I want know why we were lied to’ (msn.com)
“Richard Tice, leader of Reform UK, told GB News that his party would commit to a public inquiry into vaccine injuries if it was to come into power.
Asked about the pledge, Mr Farage said Mr Tice was ‘dead right’.”
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I don’t understand why Reform will not welcome the heroic Andrew Bridgen into the party now. Is it Lee Anderson’s opposition perhaps?
‘Come outside and we’ll sort it out’: Lee Anderson’s thuggishness is a throwback to an undemocratic past | The Independent
“Anderson’s lunch was interrupted by Andrew Bridgen, the MP who was expelled from the Tory party yesterday for his comments comparing coronavirus vaccines with the Holocaust. Bridgen was “rude and aggressive”, according to Anderson, who then “walked over to Mr Bridgen’s table to express my disapproval”.
Bridgen’s guest, Sebastian Leslie, a former Tory councillor, intervened in what he said were “threatening” exchanges, to be told by Anderson: “Hold on grandad, come outside and we’ll sort it out.”
Leslie responded by asking Anderson whether he wanted to use “pistols or claymores”, which he later explained was a reference to the ancient traditions of resolving disputes in the Scottish clan Leslie.”
So the working class hero doesn’t give a F about the vaccine injured of the fascist mandates. Good to know!
I with you on this one Will. If the worst and most incompetent parliament since who knows when, has its governing party re elected , what kind of message does that send to them all. If the Tories are destroyed, and they should be , then that might even give Labour pause for thought, in anticipation of the same end in the next 18 months. But surely we have to vote with hope for something different, by actually voting for something different.
Did somebody say ”immigration”? That’ll be my cue then….No, but seriously, those faux conservatives have been diabolical when it comes to serving the British public and putting the interests of the populace first, with disappointment after lie after disappointment. That Liz Truss has a hell of a lot to answer for, due to the damage she wrought during her lengthy reign of 45 days as PM, but what can you do? It’d never be allowed under Sharia.
And get a load of this graph. It reminds me of the VAERS graph when the death jabs commenced mass roll-out;
”Conservative party figures such as Boris Johnson told the public that leaving the European Union would allow the UK to “take back control” of its borders, but actually his liberal immigration reforms which opened up access to millions more migrants have resulted in record levels of immigration. Johnson’s post-Brexit reforms were supposedly modelled off the Australian points-based system, however, unlike Down Under, the nominally Conservative government refused to impose a cap on the number of immigrants allowed in per year.
Predictably, this saw net immigration surging to a record high of 467,000 in 2021 and rising further to 745,000 in 2022. Figures from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) for 2023 published today show that net migration remained in the high hundreds of thousands.
The ONS has previously predicted that if immigration continues to remain at high levels, the UK population will grow by over six million people as a result of foreign arrivals.
In comments provided to Breitbart London, Migration Watch UK Chairman Alp Mehmet said: “We have seen the immense damage caused by decades of uncapped migration under successive governments. Conservative ministers abandoned the Coalition immigration cap and, as a result, totally lost control of our borders.
“Our country is already developing serious social strains. The only way forward is now to introduce a cap. We must drive net migration below 100,000 a year. Our message is clear: no cap, no control.”
The think tank said that the impact of mass migration on housing and public services has already been “huge”, noting that 15 cities the size of Birmingham would need to be created to deal with the population growth driven by immigration, or in other words approximately 6,700 schools, 2,600 GP surgeries, and 8,000 miles of road by 2046. Additionally, the country would need to build more than half a million homes per year.”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/05/23/no-cap-no-control-think-tank-calls-for-hard-limit-on-immigration-to-prevent-britain-becoming-a-fractured-society/
It’s not just the number of immigrants that is the problem. The major concern is that most of the immigrants are from cultures alien to ours and appear intent on changing our country to resemble theirs.
Laughable isn’t it – the immigrants want to get into this country because they urgently need to leave the shit hole previously called home but on arrival cannot wait to recreate the very same shit hole they have just fled.
No. F O back to the shit hole previously known as home. We don’t want you.
And here’s a breakdown of who you’re getting in the UK, per ‘irregular method of entry’;
https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1793721820212060447
What a fine bunch of sun-tanners. Just what we need.
FFS!
It’s also happens in the US: many arriving in Red states from Blue states continue to vote Blue.
Yes I have made that same point many times. Where I live migrants are appearing out of thin air every day. And it is the same in every town and village all over the country. Braverman called it an “invasion” and that was her being polite.
Thanks.
Just like to add that, according to the info, huge numbers are immigrating from France from where they seem to want to cross the channel for some reason.
Obviously for the better weather.
To link up with families already here. At least they is the excuse the Left use.
The Conservative Party needs to be destroyed for conservatism to prosper again in England. The Conservative Party is rotten to the core. Those who believe it can be saved are delusional.
Totally agree
Will be spoiling my ballot paper unless a freedom loving independent happens to stand where I live
Not impressed with Reform
If none of the above was on the ballot, it would win hands down.
Is that option on any ballot papers anywhere? I’d certainly go for that.
Now way they’d never let that happen.
Look what I’ve found!
‘The “none of these candidates” option is a unique feature in Nevada elections that reportedly dates back to 1975 — enshrined in the state law governing elections.’
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nikki-haley-losing-candidates-option-nevada-republican-primary/story?id=107013869
Well that option is there – spoil your ballot paper. It’s just not something that occurs to many, and to be honest not to me before “covid”.
Does turning up at the voting centre, then spoiling a ballot paper by expressing contempt and disdain of all the candidates actually do anything, though, apart from enabling an individual to vent their frustration / anger? Does anyone take any notice? Do TPTB even care?
I would much rather do that, though, than sit at home and not bother voting for whatever reason.
Spoiled ballots are counted and reported in the result but no analysis is done to see how they are spoiled. I’m sure there would be some concern expressed if more spoiled papers were presented than valid votes for the winning candidate but as they’re not valid votes, the result would not be affected.
It might be better than nothing if concern were expressed. It would take a large number of “spoiled” papers showing clearly “None of this lot”.
All we can do is what we can, each and every day, in whatever small or large ways are available to us, in the choices we make.
Ballot papers will be counted by some local people responsible for handling the election in a particular constituency. Something really original might make them laugh (or shock them) but that’s the only indivudal effect. Collectively, spoiled ballot papers will become part of the count in two categories:
Turnout is a somewhat important statistic as the claim that the systems would be democratic rests on people turning up to express their choice from the available options. OTOH, The London Khant got elected with song and praise despite 57.2% of the people of London didn’t vote at all, ie, only 18.7% of those who were eligible to actually voted for him.
Conclusion: The BBC would have claimed that a democractic vote had taken place even when only Khan had bothered to vote and he had voted for himself, ie, do whatever you’re want, the system will screw you. Staying at home is thus the least uncomfortable way to get screwed.
Thanks for the information. It’s not right or proper though, IMO, that voters who do not want to help certain self-serving political parasites get into office and who do bother to turn up at the voting centres to write ‘none etc’ are not recognised – if only for the sheer effort of turning up to show their disdain.
If ‘none of the above’ was an option and won in any decent system that constituency should get a new vote with the first bunch of candidates excluded – and so on and on indefinitely until candidates with policies which the voters will support are able to present themselves.
The penalty for the constituency to try to prevent childish abuse of the system would be a period without representation and having to pay for repeated ballots.
Write on it one thing you would like to see and give that the X. Better feedback than drawing a peni’.
“Write on it one thing you would like to see and give that the X.”
That’s what I have done recently.
I agree. Their ‘Net Zero’ immigration policy is the thing that I really hate. It needs to be qualified that it is one non-indigenous Brit out for every non-indigenous person in, otherwise the British culture and way of life will continue to be diluted. Ideally 2,3 or 4 out for everyone in. In addition, any indigenous Brit emigrating, doesn’t leave a vacancy.
I wish everyone that doesn’t vote would go down and spoil their ballot paper. If there were 30 or 40 million plus spoilt ballot papers, that would do something. You’ve bothered to vote and actively said ‘none of you’. A 90% turnout, but 60% spoilt ballot papers would be (or should be) very, very significant. Far better than just plain apathy.
Swap the party, business as usual.
I have always believed that I owe it to those who fought for universal sufferage to honour them by exercising my right to vote. This time I am not so sure. Am I by voting legitimising what I know will become a treasonous government within hours of gaining power?
It does not matter what badge they are wearing they have no intention of working for the country or its people. With few exceptions the best of them work only for themselves, the worst are bought and paid for WEF lickspittles.
Fortunately a good friend of mine will be standing as an independent so my vote will be cast but not in expectation of success although for us if we can help evict the MP for Kashmir we will consider it job well done.
“Am I by voting legitimising what I know will become a treasonous government within hours of gaining power?”
Yes but it’s already treasonous as the ever-present civil service and influential lobbyists will ensure policies are carried-over.
I cannot disagree.
In a similar vein some people say that we owe it to the veterans and war dead to honour their sacrifice for democracy by voting. To which I saw that they fought and died so we don’t have to cravenly support a political party so I can respect their sacrifice by voting for none of the above by staying at home or spoiling my ballot paper.
The Lib/Lab/Con are traitors to their sacrifice!
Agreed which is why I won’t be voting for any of them, or the SNP and Greens.
Fair point.
So confused. Haven’t you been banging the drum the loudest to the tune of, sing with me, “Salvation will not come from the ballot box, Salvation will not come from the ballot box…”. But now the wind has changed you’re voting? Head, wall.
It depends what you think hp means by the “salvation” phrase.
My take on the subject is that we should not expect politicians to solve all our problems and that the way forward is to persuade our fellow citizens of the rightness of our ideas
Well, I think she (an assumption based on post, which also, seemingly, shows being oblivious to the historical fact that the vote was largely based on wealth, not gender, and that most men couldn’t vote either at the time of WW1) has been pretty unambiguous and refreshingly consistent (until now) in the past – voting is pointless. And, of course, it is… unless people enjoy playing whack-a-mole whilst being pointed to and laughed at by those handing you the hammer.
I agree with your last paragraph, but I’d go one step further – we shouldn’t expect politicians to solve virtually any of our problems. Politicians are supposed to act as our servants, not out masters. We need to go back to a system of having lots of small independent areas of self-governance that may trade with each other but exist in legal isolation i.e. the exact opposite of where we’re undoubtedly heading.
The elections are a game; a game they need us to play. The only chance we have, the one and only chance, is if enough of us stop playing.
Not disagreeing with any of that, FreeLemming!
But small point of fact: hux is a gent, and a true gent at that!
Ahhh, fair enough. My apologies to HP for misgendering… I seem to do a lot of that these days! Doesn’t change the main point of course.
Thanks M A k.
“I agree with your last paragraph, but I’d go one step further – we shouldn’t expect politicians to solve virtually any of our problems.”
That’s what I think too – I guess I wasn’t clear enough.
But I would say this – “Our salvation won’t arrive via the ballot box” and “Voting is pointless” are not IMO mutually exclusive.
That, as you’ve rightly pointed out, depends on the context of ‘salvation’. HP has never implied any spiritual or other-worldly ‘salvation’, so the meaning must be of saving ourselves in our current position, in our current understanding of reality. There has never been a post by HP to imply anything other.
I have also responded.
Thanks – what you wrote make sense to me.
Thanks tof.
You hard – faced so and so.
Our salvation will not arrive via the ballot box.
That is a fact. The fact that I am going to vote for a good friend of mine and the aim of our small party when we began in 2019 was to wrest control of Oldham Council from Labour has this year been achieved says something. We also set out to evict the MP for Kashmir which is why my friend is standing. I will not be voting in expectation of achieving anything more than the possible removal of a lazy, useless Labour MP. I would like to hear your contributions as I am sure would the DS members.
Talk about ignorance is bliss.
That’s a good enough reason for you to use your vote, hp. It’s meaningful to you.
I hope ‘Jim from Oldham’ is booted out, too.
Thanks Ellie.
I don’t really understand the point being made in your last sentence, but I’ll happily address the rest of your post, together with a couple of the other comments. If “salvation will not come from the ballot box” then you understand that voting is playing your part in a game you know they want you to play. Hence, voting is not only pointless, but it props up a system you know exists to deceive you into believing the system is there to reflect your will. All your previous posts led me to believe you understood this perfectly well. But now you’ve shifted. You are now knowingly doing exactly what they want you to do, the exact thing you know is designed to ensure we remain subjugated, but somehow, with some mind-blowing gymnastics, you’ll still do it. They say dance, you say no, but are unable to stop the rhythm your body’s been programmed to move to. In fact your last post, the one that I’m replying to, is in complete contradiction to “salvation will not come from the ballot box”. Your last post clearly spells out that you believe salvation can come from the ballot box – that you can be a willing player within their system and enact change. You cannot, logically, hold both positions
As to ‘I would like to hear your contributions as I am sure would the DS members“: I’m glad you’ve decided to elect yourself as the voice of everyone that posts on the DS, that in itself is… interesting. To address your point though – what I am doing is not doing what they want me to do, and I’m certainly not promoting what they want us to do by buying the boots for the people that kick us in the head. What I want to do is not possible whilst the vast majority are still unwitting shoe shiners, so my ‘contribution’, as you put it, is to try to get people to stop shining shoes. What I am prepared to do is not even remotely possible while boot polish is in such high demand. And you now appear to be one of the suppliers.
A crude misunderstanding from a questionable intelligence. Anyway, at least we know what you are doing about our predicament – absolutely F A.
What an effort.
When in doubt ——-wait. ——I am waiting to see how the polls sit. My favoured result is that Labour do not form the next government. At the same time I am disgusted with Tories for not being right wing and just blending into somewhere around the centre left. I think to myself, if you and I and all the conservative votes elect the Tories again they will think they are doing nothing wrong and wonder what all the fuss was about. So I am keeping an eye on the polls and will stick the dagger in nearer the time. If the Tories are sitting 2 points behind then I may vote for them to try and stop Starmer. But if they are 20 points behind then it might be better to give them the bloody nose and vote Reform so the Tories learn a lesson
You know, I thought the same as you, but over the past couple of days I have been thinking that the “its your duty to vote”, is just a sop,thing a charade, something like other things we were told ‘its the right thing to do”, is just a set of words trotted out by the elites so that they can legitamise their positions and what they do to us by saying they were democratically elected. But when you analyse things we don’t really have a democracy, we have a system which effectively locks out new parties and independents, thus making it the same old choice every time, between 2 Parties who trot out verbage at vote time, which once they are in power they fail to deliver on, and instead just continue with the abuses of power we have witnessed over the past 5 years and more, (I include th Blair years in this), whilst the natives of these isles are over taxed, humiliated by policies which tell them they are the worst sort of creature for being white, for believing in biological reality, for not wanting their children used as adult play toys with instruction from nursery, and made to bow down and keep our mouths shut whilst, those who despise us and our culture are given everything our own children cannot have, meanwhile we are taken back to the dark ages through the cult of net zero. But hey its your duty to vote for the 1 of 3 Parties who will continue with this, they need your mandate.
Just as I didn’t bow to the mask, the needle, or the prescribed inhumanity to children and the elderly I no longer conform to this elite mandated trope.
Thanks. An excellent post.
Weirdly, the key issues they list do not include ‘net-zero’ when in fact, to my mind, this is a very key issue. If you are concerned about the dire effects of net-zero then Reform seem on paper to be the best option. As far as I can see they are hardly the party offering a dream of utopia and heaven on earth but you have to be realistic; To my mind if they have doubts about net-zero then they are miles apart from the other parties and will probably get my vote albeit with a big peg on my nose.
Good spot – net zero is a huge issue, probably alongside immigration and freedom of speech, the biggest. In many ways I would say freedom is speech is the biggest, because without that we cannot have a functioning democracy. Ah…..
As Mark Steyn puts it, all the main parties agree on the big stuff.
Agreed. It does not matter which of the other parties win. They will all destroy our way of life and hand power to enemy states. Some will do it faster and more efficiently than others.
I worry that in the unlikely event of Reform winning a working majority, the civil service blob will run rings around them and the unions will attempt a coup..
“ The party is also vowing to clear the asylum backlog by recruiting more staff to process claims and return people to safe countries”…..Yeah right!
The “safe countries” caveat means they will remain here.
Yes.
Recruiting more civil servants? How novel.
We cannot afford ANY additions to the public payroll but …hey.
Is Reform the salvation or Golden Calf?
It looks like their policies encourage an economy based on arms dealing and military service is incentivised. That will keep the population control enthusiasts happy.
If they don’t get aggressively smeared by the media, then there’s no salvation or even a risk of significant change to be had.
In my view voting reform is simply saying no to the current status quo. The detail of their policies hardly matters, which is just as well as they are a bit of a rag bag. But they do have doubts about net-zero and immigration which, in my view, in the current circumstances, is worth a vote.
Last I looked, Reform wanted to give more money to the NHS. It’s a no from me.
The NHS is well past its sell by date.
People decided to worship the golden calf because they had had enough of years of austerity.
‘Mr. Tice’s party wants to see “net zero” immigration which means the number of people legally allowed to live and work in the U.K. each year equals the number emigrating, so the overall population remains approximately the same.’
That is the only sensible net zero proposal that I’ve seen…although I hope it doesn’t mean accommodating more nautical migrants to replace those shipped off to Rwanda – if that ever happens, of course.
I don’t think it’s at all sensible
I mean it’s better than the current situation but not much
The issue of how many people there are in the country is a minor one compared to the issue of our race and culture being swamped by people from other races and cultures
Important to keep in mind here: Muslims¹ breed new muslims at a rate far exceeding the reproduction rate of indigenous Brits (adjective used for simplicity). Hence, “net zero” immigration will do nothing to halt demographic change through population growth.
¹ Very likely for also true for all other groups forming an own segment of the multi-culture.
Excellent point
Quite right, I’d overlooked the higher birth rate of some elements of our society which would impact not only on the one-in / one-out process but also the ‘saturation’ effect and the ongoing dilution, of a country’s natural heritage and culture.
That’s because every Muslim man is allowed to have four wives in Islam, as long as he can support them and their children (no problem in Benefits Britain, where the three extra wives claim to be single mothers to get separate council houses for themselves and all their children). Every Muslim man is also allowed by Islam to have unlimited “war captives” = infidel western women as sex slaves, hence in their twisted little minds, the Rotherham child-rape gangs were all religiously sanctioned.
I feel the same as you Will. I won’t vote Conservative again and given what Richard Tice said about Andrew Bridgen, and that I don’t live in NW. Leicestershire, I won’t be voting. Obviously, voting for one of the other two parties would be voting for a more extreme version of the current “moderate” Conservative party.
Your choice, obviously, and I feel the same as you, but I think spoiling the ballot is the best way of expressing “None of the above”. By spoiling your ballot you are at least expressing a protest and are exercising your right to vote.
Fair point.
I’ll write in “I stand with Andrew Bridgen” !!
Clayton Morris interviews a whistle-blower on NGOs role in the US boarder chaos
https://rumble.com/v4vm8ao-what-this-dhs-guy-said-terrified-me-to-the-core-redacted-with-clayton-morri.html
The loony Left are already in. How anyone who’s seen what’s going on can even contemplate voting is beyond me, but many of the comments here are damn depressing reading. How many times can you be kicked in the head? It’s not supposed to be an endurance competition.
All of them are socialists to greater or lesser degrees. We live in a communising country. Serious decline and restrictions on our freedom are coming. Violence awaits our future relations with islam and other ethnic groups. I despise all politicans a d establishment scumbags.
I’m a paid up Reform member, the only party I’ve ever joined or donated to. We need real change and we will never get that with the Uniparty.
The Tories ARE the loony left
The last paragraph sums it up! I completely agree!
Amazing.
Apparantly the Reality-Deniers and their absolutely bogus “Climate Apocalypse” costing Trillions and benefiting ONLY a few malicious and utterly incompetent Billionaires, don’t even register in the Mail, nor on here?
This is the very epitome of what is wrong but gets swept under the carpet. Computer “models” fed with cherry picked and “adjusted” data, tuned to scare, even “Covid” was likely mainly an attempt to turbocharge the Net Zero hoax, by 2020 already becoming obviously ridiculous. And the Uniparty’s favourite justification for controlling us all (and boosting profits!).
Never thought I would say this, but here goes:
Voting is completely pointless.
I cannot vote for a party who does not share at least some of my views.
I am politically right of centre and want the State out of my life.
Really not sure how to vote.
Will look at the candidates in my constituency and see what they stand for.
Or maybe spoil my ballot paper with ‘none of the above’?
I am really at a loss what to do.
Can you remind me how to spoil the ballot paper so it has to be counted
Just mark a cross against all of them. And add a box of your own, with “Muppet” against it. Put a cross in that box, too.
Can I ask how can people vote Reform even if they wanted to when they have very few candidates ! Last time there was no option to vote ukip in our constituency!
They’ve got 500 candidates and say they will have 630 by the GE. So that will just be NI without a candidate (like the other parties).
To his credit, Richard Tice sorted that out in March of this year, when he went over to Northern Ireland and made an election pact with the Traditional Unionist Voice (TUV) party led by Jim Allister.
TUV conference: Jim Allister announces partnership with Reform UK – BBC News
The stories may be bad, but Labour is worse. Look at its commitments to the Net Zero mania. At least the Tories, or some of them, are rowing back. Net Zero will impoverish the poor.
Oh my life. The comments on here. You’ve gone through all the lies, all the ridicule, all the scapegoating. You understand that there’s an elitist agenda – understand because it’s in plain sight. Understand that you are an insignificant pawn in the game played by our self-appointed masters. And you’re excitedly pondering who should butt f*ck you next? FFS. We truly are screwed
“I know I’m supposed to hold my nose and vote for them to keep the loony Left out. But this time I just don’t think I can do it.”
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The Treacherous Tories deserve a kick up the electoral jacksey they will NEVER forget.
14 years of lying; betraying their core voter-base; the Brexit betrayal; mass immigration and the Covid and Net Zero Tyrannies must be severely punished.
Personally, I hope they’re wiped out so that the real Conservatives (ie not the One Nation Blue-Green Socialists) and Reform can unite, ready for the next GE in 2028.
I cannot bring myself to vote for any of the mainstream parties, they none of them are capable of seeing past their own best interests and careers, they all spout brave words but then never present credible plans and milestones as to how they will achieve those plans. They all as was demonstrated during the Plandemic are autocratic and tyrannical towards the population, and have no issue with forcing experimental medical substances, and crimes of inhumanity on the population in lockstep with a global plan.
They would all sign sovreignty off to the WHO, ALL will take us back to the dark ages in their worship of the cult of net zero. All are corrupt, cowards without morals (dick pic anyone). So no voting for anyone of them is like having to choose between one evil or another.
I might vote for Reform in the hope that others do so, and that this would severely disrupt and destroy the current 2 Party (uniparty) system of entitled, arrogant and cruel elites.
As my dear old grandad used to say – “they all ‘pith’ in the same pot and are in it (politics) only for what they can get out for themselves.”
Is there a peace party? An anti-war party, as the Gladstonian Liberals used to be?
How is integrating Ukraine into NATO’s architecture enhancing the UK’s defence?
The Downing Street cat could beat the Tories at the General Election. The Tories are helping Labour to win, not the people voting for Reform. Hardly surprising as they are both two arms of the same mannikin.
And what about the Green Party and the Worker’s Party?
There is scant attention paid to the people of this country who oppose the corruption of the political system and do not wish to take part in the farce. I now spoil my vote in protest, and I am disgusted that this is not announced in voting results. I think more people would oppose the charlatans in the government if this dissent were more accurately recorded. There is a significant number of people who despise the political class of this country.
But what does that achieve? The political class don’t care about spoiled votes.
Perhaps if it was officially recorded it might encourage more people to actually turn up at the polling stations to express their discontent instead of staying at home.
Maybe, but it seems to me that the political class still won’t care one way or another. They’ll care if Reform actually win, which won’t be possible unless people actually vote for them.
Voting is like being given the choice to be shot or stabbed.
I am a long term Tory voter but will not be voting for them again after the mess they have made over the last 14 years.
Won’t be voting for Labour either as I think they will actually make things worse unlikely as that might sound.
Starmer is one of the better Lab politicians, but I think he is middle management at best.
I had some vague hopes of Reform but not any longer.
So I will vote and probably spoil my paper as none of them are fit to run the country imo.
I can only hope that after a few years in the wilderness – and it will be a very wild woke-left nut-zero wilderness – we will get a proper, thinking moderate right-wing party back whatever it chooses to call itself.
I’m afraid the Andrew Bridgen business soured my view of Reform somewhat but I can’t get away from the fact it is the only party that holds out even a glimmer of a hope for the change I’m convinced we need. 2024 is unlikely to be their year and they are far from perfect but a Labour government will continue the damage done by the Tories and a vote for either Labour or Conservative is a betrayal of my conviction in my view
it seems to me we’ve reached the stage where the political classes are so incompetent, deluded and out of touch with ordinary people, pursuing their own self serving agenda and taking advantage of an apathetic population using mind control techniques to destroy the democratic process. my only hope of avoiding increasing chaos and conflict is to persuade more people to become politically active at a local level, asking questions of their mainstream candidates and supporting independent candidates who seek to disrupt the election of mainstream party shoe-ins who have no interest in listening to their constituents. It’s easy to shrug your shoulders and assume there’s nothing you can do but if you believe in democracy you have a moral duty to speak out and do your bit to fight the political apathy which is allowing our descent into the abyss.
I agree Rachel, we can also support those who whose views we share – I’m thinking here of Toby Young, Matt Goodwin, Winston Marshall, TCW et al
Agree. Even if we don’t agree with everything they say and do. Anyone putting their head above the parapet seeking to raise questions and challenge the establishment deserves respect. No one is perfect and I wouldn’t expect anyone to hold exactly the same views as me but in general “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”.
Well said, rachel. I have always written to and / or challenged the local MP. If he doesn’t like it, tough. I don’t recall ever having the need to congratulate him. He gets paid for his role and as such, he has to suffer the
plebser public expressing their concerns, politely but forthright.I attended my first council meeting recently as I felt it was my civic and personal duty and responsibility to stand witness to the goings-on in the council chamber. What an eye opener that was. I intend going to every one in future. Look them in the eyes, indeed…
Thanks. My local Con MP relies on stock responses which tell me he’s a lost cause to the globalist agenda. No respect there and we’ve a boundary change here in Somerset and there’s a chance we’ll get a Lib Dem instead. Went to a talk by the candidate who confirmed she’s an “internationalist” so little hope there. Reform has a candidate but we’ve yet to see any activity. There seem to be quite a few initiatives to encourage indepents but for all of us it’s a question of how we make the most of what time and energy we have.
When you look them in the eyes what do you see? Brainwashed fanatacism, empty callousness, lost souls?
Nice one ellie.