You’ll all have no doubt heard and read possibly statistically-challenged journalists hyperventilating about the new ‘miracle drugs’ – Ozempic and Wegovy. At first they were targeted at the very lucrative weight loss market. But now a new study tells us they can also reduce the risk of heart attacks and strokes:
- ‘Weight loss jab could reduce heart attack risk by 20% said the BBC
- ‘Weight loss drug could reduce heart attack risk by 20%‘ said the BBC’s in-house journal – the Guardian
- ‘Obesity drug cuts risk of heart attack or stroke regardless of weight lost‘ said Sky News
- ‘Weight loss drug also protects against heart disease‘ wrote Scientific American
- and lots of other media contained the same story
But there are some curious aspects to this story. Firstly, this impressively-positive study was sponsored by Novo Nordisk – the manufacturer of the two drugs. Moreover, the latest version of the study was completed a couple of months ago. The fact that it is now being so widely reported suggests that what we’re getting may be a well-funded PR campaign rather than hard-working journalists coming to conclusions based on actually looking at the detailed study results. Some cynics have even suggested that the ‘miracle, breakthrough drugs’ campaign has been launched to try to distract us from stories about the negative and sometimes dangerous side-effects of these two drugs.
But perhaps the key issue is: what is actually being measured by the reported “20%” reduction in heart attacks and strokes in the drugs manufacturer’s study?
There are two main ways a pharma company can express results of its clinical trials – ‘relative risk’ and ‘absolute risk’. Let me use a simple example to explain.
Let’s imagine a five-year study done on a new statin in a medium-risk group of say 10,000 participants. Half the participants are given the new statin and the other half a placebo. Let’s further imagine that just 1.9% of those given the statin have heart attacks during the five years compared to 3.1% in the placebo group. The statin manufacturer could report that the risk of a heart attack in the group given the statin reduces by 120 heart attacks per 10,000 people. That’s an absolute risk reduction of around one person per 100 people or 1.2%. But given typical side-effects of statins – headache, dizziness, feeling sick, feeling unusually tired or physically weak, digestive system problems such as constipation, diarrhoea and indigestion, muscle pain, sleep problems, low blood platelet count – many doctors would not be too enthusiastic about prescribing this statin and many people wouldn’t be too excited about taking it for the rest of their lives if it just reduced the risk of a heart attack by one person per 100.
However, there’s another way for the pharma company to report its study results – this is the ‘relative risk’. In this case, the ‘relative risk’ of having a heart attack for those not taking this ‘wonderful new groundbreaking’ statin would be around 63% higher (3.1÷1.9) than those taking the statin. So using the ‘relative risk’, the pharma company could report that their statin more than halves the risk of a heart attack. Now that’s a more impressive claim to encourage doctors to prescribe and patients to take this statin.
However, when reporting side-effects from their products, pharma companies tend to use ‘absolute risk’. For example, study of around 467,000 people on various medical databases was conducted to assess whether there was an increased risk of people on statins developing acute pancreatitis. In the non-statin group (233,425) there were 1,355 cases of acute pancreatitis and in the statin group (233,647) there were 1,807 cases. If the pharma company was to use ‘relative risk’, it’d have to admit that there was a 33% increased risk of developing acute pancreatitis from taking statins. That’s not likely to encourage either doctors or patients. However, using ‘absolute risk’ the pharma company could say that the increased risk of acute pancreatitis from statin use was a mere one case per 1,000 people. That’s obviously a much more positive message than using the ‘relative risk’ of saying there was a 33% increased risk of acute pancreatitis.
I admit I haven’t looked through the detail of the new Novo Nordisk study suggesting that its products, Ozempic and Wegovy, are new wonder drugs which, in addition to being effective against obesity, can also significantly reduce the risk of heart attacks and strokes. I’m sure that there are many contributors to and readers of the Daily Sceptic who could do this much better than I can as I tend to get my numbers mixed up when calculating percentages. But I strongly suspect that Novo Nordisk has played the ‘relative and absolute risk’ game when reporting its study results. I imagine that Novo Nordisk has used ‘relative risk’ for reporting the benefits of its products and ‘absolute risk’ when admitting the likely side-effects. I look forward to someone investigating this to find out what is really going on.
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Stop Press: The boffins at HART have crunched the numbers for Ozempic and Wegovy and found that while the relative risk reduction for cardiovascular outcomes was 20% (8% vs 6.5%) the absolute risk reduction was just 1.5%. Moreover, the dropout rate due to adverse events was 8.2% vs 16.6% – that’s over twice as many in the treatment group, or a 102% relative risk increase (it’s never reported this way of course). As an absolute risk that’s 8.4% up, compared to 1.5% helped. Or to put it another way, for every person who was helped by the drug, five or six had to stop using it because the side-effects were so severe. You won’t see that on a press release.
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“If you don’t want to be locked up and have to wear face masks, you will need to get the vaccine so we can open everything up.”
“Great! Now that you got the vaccine, you’ll need to self isolate and wear a mask.”
I really do have to wonder how much of an idiot you have to be to still go along with this…
I think they are torn
1 – offer incentives to vaccinated
2 – realise vaccines are no use in preventing spread (possibly make it worse by hiding symptoms)
They can see that the number of experimental victims is peaking, so they’re shifting from carrots (remove your masks, free borgers) to sticks (no jab, no job).
There’s no need to continue to reward the compliant, when compliance was the goal. Now they just need to crack down on the remaining free range humans.
Hence the reason why WHO changed the definition of “herd immunity” to “70% of the population vaccinated”. They probably determined that 70% is the threshold needed to convince them to violently force the other 30% into submission once they tell the 70% that the reason why they cannot go outside and have to wear a mask is the 30%. Normal individuals are never violent. But get a mob together, and they’ll be as violent as you like. Just you wait, before long we will have mobs of vaccinated people going around beating up people who cannot produce proof of vaccination.
The WHO also changed the definition of ‘pandemic’. The WHO is knee deep in this subterfuge.
Does anyone remember when President Trump defunded the WHO? He smelled a great big rat. And he was right.
70%? Oh I say, the UK just passed 70% “double jabbed”. If vaccines are the way out of this, all those restrictions can stop now! And if it is true that vaccines make things wors (ADE) they’ll have to abandon the “vaccine” programme anyway won’t they?
Like I said above, just wait for the mobs. Pretty soon they will probably declare another lockdown. They will most likely says something along the lines of: “Despite the large number of people who have received the vaccine, a significant portion of the population has refused to vaccinate, and now the virus is spreading through them. As long as this situation remains, we must once again remain in our homes to stop the spread.” Divide and conquer. Blame the minority for your oppression of everyone so that the majority doesn’t focus on you.
Well there is a likelihood that the current majority may become the minority if the fears of many, about this gene therapy jab are realised. This is definitely worth a watch. This doctor knows his stuff because he has tracked and tested his patients post jib-jab.
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=8HMBYA6M42DH
I find this highly unlikely. Time after time we have seen the masses comply with no concern for reason or freedom. When impossible contradictions were set forth, they all just said “meh… whatever” and carried on obeying. There is very little chance that the majority will ever wake up to reason. The people have been domesticated.
Like teacher making the whole class suffer for the misdeeds of a few
Not quite. Because the class unites against the teacher. This is something a teacher can never achieve, because a teacher does not have a massive propaganda machine and a classroom of ignorant, blind children.
They won’t abandon it. They’ll suddenly produce wonderful ‘new’ vaccines. One for every ‘variant’. And our compliant press will continue to go along with it.
Even the eagerly-anticipated GB NEWS is on board with the vaccines despite the deaths and life-changing disabilities. Such a disappointment, Mr Neil.
Talkradio also pro vax Julia HB got hers. They ran the nhs propaganda adverts for a long time. So even though we all hoped talk radio and GB news would offer us another point of view there is some disappointment with each outlet.
Give the new kids on the block a bit more time to reach their breakout moment
I just hope he’s building up gradually to criticising the vaccines while first increasing viewing figures
Dr. Robert Malone believe ADE is already here.
it made me lol when they offered non-alcoholic shots to Israelis to get the vaccine. what the fuck is that? orange cordial?
I suppose it’s similar to – if you’ve got an itch, scratch it; if you’ve got a thirst, go get an injection and a free glass of fruit juice. They’ll be queuing up for it…
Germany was smart enough to never offer any carrots, just the stick. Now it’s easy to continue hitting people with the stick because when any rewards are mentioned, the argument is they would be so unfair to the majority of volunteers who previously just got beaten.
I love that, “free range humans”.
Oh my god … there are still plenty of idiots out there alright … no shortage of them in fact – for as long as they are being told and its for their own good then they will happily comply .. this insanity could go on forever .
Of course, but officially it is now “to protect the unvaccinated”. Which btw, is true, but certainly not what the unvaccinated want nor necessary to keep the health system up and running.
The real motivation is to sell as many doses of the vaccines as possible, and to train the future customers to buy them every year regardless of the actual need (which, btw, is present now).
Vast numbers of the unvaxxed have naturally-acquired immunity from having had covid. If this was an honest, well-intentioned government they’d be testing for covid antibodies. But that wouldn’t help fill the coffers of the Devils running this so the blatant lie that ‘you can get it again’ is perpetuated.
Yes, you are correct
An honest government would tell those millions who have had Covid they don’t need vaccinating as they already have immunity. Instead they have encouraged those with immunity to have double jabs when there is no logical need for that.
Just like the flu vaccines with often way less than 40% efficacy, avoid.
What is required is faith, pure, undiluted faith.
As you demonstrate, the most elementary reasoning destroys these absurdities.
I doubt that a single person here will be surprised.
Any more than discovering that the success of vaccination programmes (note that I distinguish from the success of vaccines) is what will grant us the freedom to show our “vaccine passports” and beg for permission every time we travel, recreate, work, transact or interact.
You can’t defeat despotism with compliance.
Fucking coercion just like here in Britain
Biden and Johnson are two fucking criminals who should be hung by the neck!
As for Gove the turd, i take anti coagulants for blood clotting, do you think I am stupid enough to take a clotting jab!!!! So Im selfish, probably true as I dont give a toss about Mohamed down the road . England was a better place without him!
I wonder why they don’t just make it law. why all this silly coercion? they want to avoid responsibility for vaccine injuries? they are on the hook for that due to the coercion anyway. if they just mandated it I’d at least know where I stood
They will mandate it, when the number of experimental victims peaks.
Voluntary compliance enables tyranny, but it can also delay it from becoming obvious for a while.
The CDC is a Federal agency and I don’t think the Federal government have any authority to mandate masks outside of Federal buildings, short of declaring a national emergency/martial law. It’s up to the states.
A general mandate for a vaccine that we are now told will kill two for every three it will save, except of course, that it won’t save any. Mandatory vaccination will raise all hell and I for one, will be taking at least one forced vaccinator on a trip to an early grave, if these depraved people are stupid enough to knock on, or even knock down my front door.
Explain why the fuck they would want to kill you? They need you slave away for their benefit, not be dead or sick.
ANY sign of resistance is anathema to the ‘elite’ – and would definitely qualify for the death sentence as, when and if the get the chance to use it. THEY need the compliant only!
Nah, all they need is a big enough stick to exploit you. They don’t care whether you are compliant or not, if you are not compliant, you will be supervised and pressured to act as required. I’m not sure what the current vax campaign has to do with it, as it has always been so (but maybe some folks had some illusions?)
How can you mandate something that kills people and causes Severe injury?
Both feet in the grave, that’s where’ll stand. More turkeys wanting an early Christmas?
They daren’t mandate it. It would make them directly liable for deaths and injuries caused by the snake oil.
You wouldn’t be standing dear, you may well be dead or seriously injured. I don’t think any of the unvaxxed want that.
Well Steve, I know where I stand.
Free Range Human- and will fight to stay that way. If I am going to die then the Indians will die as well
I was with you till you said that about Mohamed. Shame
Hasn’t anybody the gumption to ask these clowns why they need everybody to wear leaky masks, rather than just asking those that are scared to wear sealed ones?
What are you delaying cases for now if there is no vaccine white knight over the hill? Just for the exercise of power, or to be seen to be doing something – even though it is pointless?
I actually have more respect for those wearing N95 / FFP2 / FFP3 valved respirators.
At least those have a small chance of preventing them from breathing in aerosol.
Silly cloth muzzles do nothing to help anyone, other than catching the large coughed particles that we’ve known since March 2020 (NIH, CDC) aren’t responsible for passing on SARS-COV-2.
N95 masks are not certified against viral particles.
I said “more” respect, or rather, less contempt. I should emphasise the “small” in chance.
aerosolising the big droplets into small ones
So you want us all to wear stifling medical masks on the off chance of some mythical protective benefit, that has always eluded RCT trials.
Anyone wearing a mask of any description is simply paying homage to the Borg (your mates?), who are running this shit show and they are doing the rest of us a great disservice. Covid is a scam, whether there is a virus or not and it is being carried out for highly nefarious purposes. That has been crystal clear since nearly day one. People need to wake up, time is now very short.
Wait, hang on. What? What?
Let’s just rewind to that, shall we.
Our immune systems (trained by vaccines or otherwise) work by destroying either the organism itself (bacteria) or the cells containing the organism (viruses).
They don’t prevent the consequences of being inhabited by that organism: they stop it replicating to the point where its presence can do us serious harm.
So riddle me this: if being vaccinated doesn’t result in any difference in replication, how are we being protected by that vaccination?
To my untrained brain, it would seem that the Indian variant of the Chinese Virus is still replicating away merrily, unhindered by any vaccine-bestowed immunity, but that it is just not as harmful to us as the original
lab“wild” strain.A bit like… the common cold coronavirus.
What am I missing?
They’re saying the jab isn’t actually doing anything about the virus…
So what is the jab doing?
It’s important to remember that the variant should have the same spike protein shell as the base virus. Otherwise, it would be a different virus. The vaccine is supposed to build immunity against that spike protein so if it works on one variant, it should work on all. Or to put it another way, if it doesn’t work on one, it doesn’t work on any of them.
The media and the government are trying to distract us from this, trying to focus on them being different variants, hoping that no one realises that the mechanism is the same, no matter the variant.
Well, maybe. Coronaviruses are tricky things, that’s why common cold variants are still around and there’s never been a vaccine for them.
It is possible that if these vaccines work, then they’re doing so by reducing the consequences of infection rather than replication.
But if so, that would be (I believe) entirely novel, not what’s commonly understood, and (vitally) it would not, and could not, produce herd immunity or protect the unvaccinated in any way.
So why has that been the narrative up to now?
We know how they claim they work. The vaccine supposedly delivers an mRNA load into cells (how, one may wonder, other than by using a virus as a carrier?) that then supposedly instructs the cell to produce viral shells which are released into the blood stream and are picked up by antibodies, training the immune system to recognize and deal with that type of particle.
As such, it stands to reason that while the mechanism is different, the end goal of these vaccines is the same: train the immune system to stop an infection. The fact that they cannot do that means that they do not work. This whole thing about alleviating symptoms is BS. They are using the novel mechanism of the vaccine to fool people into thinking that it should have novel results, but that is not the case. Before the vaccine came out we had symptoms anywhere from death to asymptomatic. Why should we now believe that anything short of death must be because of the vaccine?
That’s my understanding of how vaccines work, and how these treatments have been described.
However, I’m also aware of SARS-COV-2 killing the tiny number of people who are vulnerable to it through cytokine storm, i.e. our own immune systems over-reacting to it.
So it is possible that the protective effect (if any) is coming through simply preventing that over-reaction, like reducing allergies through low dose exposure.
But if that’s the case, it’s radically different from any other (actual) vaccine, and it cannot produce herd immunity or protect the untreated.
Everything beneficial is now being ascribed to ‘the vaccine’. It seems that the forces of evolution and natural immunity are all the result of snake-oil. (I keep on hearing about Deadly Delta as illness and death disappears off the radar)
However – any adverse effects are, of course, imaginary or irrelevant.
Science as wishing on a star!
Wait for the autumn rise in infection and see if you guessed right about the chosen fantasy for that one! My guess is that it will be that long forecast ‘wave’ that has (as usual) failed to happen, despite some authors here spying it through their imaginary telescope or should that be microscope?).
Have you noticed how ‘case’ bar charts now by far outnumber the publication of mortality charts. They’re much better at doing ‘waves’ that dwarf the reality of April 2020.
This is all true. What I think it is down to is the type of antibodies produced by the vaccine, and where they are found – and where the virus replicates. I am no expert, but what I have pieced together from various proper experts is a coherent narrative around this. Hopefully someone more expert than me can correct where I have got it wrong.
As Dr McCullough says, COVID is a multi-phase disease. It’s initially respiratory, as the virus multiplies in your nose and upper respiratory tract. If you have strong innate immunity and/or cross reactive antibodies from a prior coronavirus infection (any related betacoronavirus will do), then you will fight it off with IgM and IgA antibodies. Children don’t show much in the way of symptoms because of the paucity of ACE2 receptors in the upper respiratory tract (they increase with age).
If you’re a bit more susceptible, it will find its way into your lungs and start to cause breathing difficulties. More commonly in adults (ACE2 enabling greater replication), and those who are immunocompromised (age, obesity, comorbidities). When replicating in the lungs, it can get into the rest of the blood stream and potentially cause clotting problems. Your body responds by producing IgG antibodies.
A vaccinated person will be given coded instructions to make spike protein, and the body responds by making IgG antibodies to kill those cells. So the vaccine can help limit the replication of the virus systemically around the body, and hopefully prevent severe breathing problems and thrombosis issues. But it won’t touch the virus merrily replicating away in the nose and throat, just as it would be with an unvaccinated person, because it doesn’t improve your IgM or IgA antibody response.
A PCR test in someone with COVID will be done in the throat and nose. Just as you can spray others with a viral laden aerosol if you are infected, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, you will test positive on a PCR, and there isn’t likely to be much difference in Ct either.
That is what I think is happening anyway, based on Dr Bhakdi’s explanation of antibody response, and what I have heard from Dr Malone and Dr McCullough.
Thank you, that does sound cogent and plausible, and it could explain the situation.
However, it does still have the same result: no herd immunity, no protection of the untreated.
Indeed it does not. The only way to gain immunity is to fight off an infection.
Sacrilege!
True though.
No vaccine passports
That’s the impression I’d formed. However:
1) It’s supposing “viral load” is (mainly) determined by what’s going on in the upper respiratory tract, and that it won’t be greater for people who also have SARS-CoV-2 replicating in their lungs.
2) Won’t IgG antibodies also fight the infection in the upper respiratory tract? (I think the version I’d read was that IgM and IgA are just faster at mounting a defence, when the virus first enters your URT, and, hence, “vaccinated” people can transmit infection for a slightly longer period than can those with proper immunity.)
“multi-phase disease” – Carefully-designed bio weapon that exploits one type of cell for transmissible replication, and then another to inflict more serious damage ?
Both good points, and I don’t have the answers.
On the first one, would it really be higher by PCR, if you also had lots of virus in the lung? The PCR scrape is from throat and nasal lining, and you tend to hold your breath while getting it done. Obviously you’d be pumping out more viruses in your aerosols, but that’s not what PCR is picking up. I’m not sure it would be massively different, but I am just hypothesising.
On the second point, you’re no doubt right. But yes as you say, later. But people are (with most respiratory infections anyway) typically shedding virus at the highest levels for 1-2 days before symptoms appear and 1-2 days after. Which is why things like Tamiflu are so rubbish because by the time you realise you have flu, limiting viral replication is futile – it’s already done that bit. You would benefit from it limiting it replicating elsewhere though, like the vascular system in COVID, which happens in the latter phases but is – I guess – less likely to infect others.
Not all cells are infected by the virus at the same time is what I am saying. And the antibodies that kill the infected cells appear at different times and in different places. It’s the first responder team of IgM/IgA that do most of the heavy lifting when it comes to killing the cells that will be shedding virus in the places that will infect other people.
All caveated by me not even having a GCSE in biology
Mucosal Immunity in COVID-19:
A Neglected but Critical Aspect
of SARS-CoV-2 Infection
Michael W. Russell1*, Zina Moldoveanu2, Pearay L. Ogra3 and Jiri Mestecky2
Hi Sophie and CA (love the handle!)- the above article might help- it is in “Frontiers in immunology”- Biden hasn’t got round to making a youtube about it yet with celebs.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33329607/
Thank you!
I think Governments/scientists/media have talked themselves into a corner. If they had stopped (as they were purporting) with the at risk groups that would have made sense. Big pharma themselves state vaccines don’t give sterilising immunity, they dampen down disease response. But somehow the narrative became “we are not safe until everyone is safe”, everyone demanded a jab, “we are not safe until the world is vaccinated” said the zero covid nut jobs and that gained a lot of traction. Suddenly MSM was outlining the jab roll out, who is next in line? No one stopped to even think that the jab didn’t stop you catching or transmitting it, hell people still can’t seem to get their heads around that one. And the pure gem that is vaccine immunity is better than naturally acquired immunity.
None of it makes any logical sense. But! If they had stopped way back when the at risk had been jabbed, said jobs a good one, we can open up now, maybe just maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.
But then someone wouldn’t have made such a pile of money. At $12/dose, why not vaccinate the entire world twice a year
What does make sense is that, from day 0 (or, rather, well before) a major goal was to get these treatments injected into pretty well everyone on the planet. Just accept that, momentarily, and you’ll see everything else is explained.
Experimental injections for the people at extremely high risk – Sounds perfectly sensible, and, hence, we all accept the idea.
Then, they start drawing up “priority groups”. Clearly, the argument is only somewhat weaker, for each successive group, and we’d not seen anything bad happening to the earlier group(s). You’re in a “priority” group, so it must be important for you to get injected, right? Never mind that your priority is actually negative.
Finally, so many people have taken the needle that they can be persuaded to strong arm the few oddballs who are refusing to replicate their “sensible”, “responsible”, choice.
Prior to, and in parallel with, the injection roll out, we had the massive campaign to persuade everyone that the virus was a terrible, personal, threat to him, and/or that its continued circulation, in the community, was, ultimately, responsible for his life having become shit. (A chilling example, of the latter, is the argument that the injections should be given to children, because they’re missing so much schooling with having to isolate themselves.)
Just got the local free rag for Derbyshire- nothing but local propaganda at the best of times, (showing happy, smiling people doing their bit, etc.), but now on the back page there is a Covid FACT sheet, (fact is in capitals so it’s definitely true), telling us how we all COULD be at risk and this or that MAY happen to all age groups, benefits of the vaccine- but not one line mentioning the risks, so despite loads of evidence, thousands of cases and a not inconsiderable number of deaths, the risks of being vaccinated are completely ignored- but it says FACT, so I can just believe, right?
It has been the narrative up to now because of wishful thinking. The virologists genuinely did not know to what extent the vaccines will be “leaky” (in fact, there were some studies showing that they do reduce viral load in subjects). Basically, the situation is changing and they are trying to adjust their guidelines.
Unlike in science, where changing your belief based on incoming new data is not a problem and even very welcome, it’s difficult to do in politics because of bands of morons who will claim “told you so” (without any evidence) and also gloat over your having been wrong.
Finally, political messages must also be kept simple and convincing so that every moron understands and follows with desired action. They cannot just go before the cameras and talk shrugging their arms that “we don’t know yet”, “we will see”, “maybe it will help, but in some cases it won’t”, because that would basically only cause the morons to ignore sound advice.
When has the advice been sound?
Masks
Lockdowns
jabs
All totally unsound.
But, if “[they] don’t know yet”, then they’re not giving “sound advice”.
How about providing proper, qualified, information, and allowing “the morons” to apply their own judgement, about what’s likely to be best for them?
The narrative was never scientific. It is just what they want it to be at the time
It might not be as clear cut as that. The experimental gene therapy (it’s NOT a vaccine, by definition), is extremely targeted at the spike protein. There’s a high possibility that a small change in that protein might outwit such targeting. Our natural immune system however recognises the whole invader, and it’s relatives. This is demonstrated by the experiment that proved those with SARS-Cov-1 exposure demonstrated immunity to Cov-2. Acquired immunity wins again. The good news is that appears exposure to other corona viruses might also give immunity.
Nicely put.
Precisely. I’m not aware – and I may be wrong here – of any vaccine that prevents harm without inhibiting replication.
And I may be wrong on that, and it is a genuine question. Does being vaccinated prevent or reduce the harmful cytokine storm? A bit like dealing with allergies via small doses of the allergen?
But if that’s the case, then there could never have been any belief that vaccination would produce herd immunity, or reduced transmission, right?
The fact that from day 1 big pharma has been made immune from any liability following the distribution of the vaccine should answer that question…
They’re not saying that. They’re saying that they found an unspecified number of example PCR test results which were positive with the same amplification setting for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
They don’t even claim that this is true for the majority of cases, just that some exist.
Mmm, could be. I’m perhaps reading too much into “viral load”.
The ct factor used by a PCR test is said to be an indication of “viral load”. As they need to measure this somehow in order to justify such a claim and this is something they’re doing which could be used to measure it, this is a sensible assumption about the method they have been using (in absence of other information).
“So what’s the jab doing?”
Answer-making a fortune for Big Pharma and its acolytes.
It means booooosssterrrrrrrs.
It’s at best a flu vaccine. Which don’t prevent deaths and the idea that they can erradictae such things is a nonsense.
Influenza vaccines work by reducing replication though.
It seems that these ones (or at least the Pfizer and Moderna used in the USA) don’t.
The protective mechanism (if any) may be different for them, especially given that the 0.3% of people vulnerable to the Chinese Virus seem to die from their own immune systems over-reacting and going into a cytokine storm.
But if these treatments are simply about preventing that over-reaction, rather than reducing replication, then they do not, and can not, produce herd immunity, or protect the untreated.
I’m trying to figure out if the CDC are admitting that, in a very roundabout way.
This is a very interesting question. Getting an honest answer would probably require kidnapping the people involved in developing them and injecting them with truth serum.
Honesty and sanity long disappeared down a rabbit hole.
Indeed. It’s a shame because an awful lot could and would have been learned about covid that was actually useful. Instead we’ve had what people think is a tremendous battle to defeat it that has in general missed the point by a mile.
Indeed. I have given up on persuasion – the imagined world of the psy-op has taken over from reality.
I had (another) argument with a close member of my family yesterday. He is very sceptical about the government’s handling in general …. BUT …. when push comes to shove and vaccines ….
We always get into nit picking issues about data and ‘cases’ – which are fruitless. So I tried to pull the argument back to the fundamental issue – that the foundation of all this is essentially a lie … the claim that this was an ‘unprecedented’ event – and that everything else follows from that falsehood.
His response : ‘But this was a very serious disease’. Pure denial of the data facts that I’d demonstrated as fundamental to any response.
Where do you go from there?
I suppose you could try asking what their definition of a “serious disease” is and on what basis you’d decide to shut the world down – what’s the trigger point?
But it’s a struggle as so many people have simply lost their grip when it comes to covid, and also some want to avoid seeing how bad things really are, because it’s very upsetting indeed.
I was talking to someone the other day who was fairly receptive, but simply finished up “but I have to be optimistic otherwise I would go mad and I need to be there for my kids”. I can’t unsee what I have seen, I have to live with it, but I can understand why someone thinks like that.
Brings to mind what Toby said during the Question Everything Summit… There is going to be a mighty blood-letting.
I think it will be slow and happen over decades
Tell them to go fuck themselves.
You don’t. You are correct- no-one wants to hear it. I’ve lost friends over this without even pressing them too hard. They simply don’t want to hear it. My best mate for 30 + years wouldn’t meet me inside a cafe because ‘it’s crazy letting people get so close again, you can still catch it even with the jabs, it’s killed 35 million, (apparently), killing thousands still, it’s all the stupid people’s fault for ignoring the rules’, and on and on it goes. I’ve tried pointing out that it’s not Ebola but to no avail. Every time I say it’s just a virus, I’m not overly concerned and we’ve just got to stop this nonsense and get on with things he says I’m sticking my head in the sand (!). He’s now railing against stupid teenagers that won’t get jabbed and how it’s all their own fault if they can’t go abroad ever again. Asking about side effects, or saying maybe they’d rather not go abroad if it means having the vaccine, pointing out that they’re not even at risk really- all an utter waste of time. Here’s a bloke that’s always seen risk as part of life and no one could ever have described as fearful, yet he swallows the nightly news without question and won’t entertain an alternative point of view. Why bother? They are lost so I’m just getting on with my own life as best I can and refusing to supply their paranoia.
Real truth serum or EUA exprimental truth serum? 0)
“Getting an honest answer would probably require kidnapping the people involved in developing them and injecting them with truth serum.“
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“The game-changer for the agency was data showing that vaccinated people infected with the highly infectious delta variant carry the same viral load as unvaccinated people who are infected”
I expect 99% of vaccinated and unvaccinated to have the virus for a bit and then clear it
I think its important what happens at the margins (vulnerable). ie should have offered to the vulnerable. if you aren’t vulnerable you’ll just clear it as quick whether vaxxed or not. so not worth doing because we still don’t have long term data
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-why-the-risk-benefit-balance-of-astrazeneca-jab-for-young-people-looks-to-have-shifted-12362404
is the first mention of lack of long term data for vaccines I’ve seen in msm
final paragraph
Interesting piece of crap you’ve linked to there!
:
“With Britain now in the midst of another full-blown wave of COVID-19,”
… and how can you have ‘long term’ data with no ‘long term’ from which to glean it.? Time travel?
I was only interested in the last paragraph as an acceptance by msm of what we all know and a great reason to choose not to have the vaccine
I’m not interested in the rest of it
“lack of long term data”
So we just keep jabbing until the long term data is available? That’s why there are trials lasting years before roll out. To obtain the long term data.
The vaxxine resets the immune system to fight a certain spike protein. I’ve seen a few comments from people who previously suffered from certain types of infections they thought were cured now they’ve come back. It’s as if their immune system have forgotten previous infections.
The immune system “forgetting” previous infections ties in with the Geert Vanden Bossche assessment that the C19 injections will lead to the production of Wuhan spike protein specific antibodies which will bully out the natural non-specific antibodies, thus weakening the immune system overall. So the immune system will be optimised for the Wuhan spike protein at the expense of other important components of it. Watch this clip for the full explanation he makes it very clear.
Geert Vanden Bossche – Vaccine Disaster Ahead – This must stop immediately
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XIgWEu9V3qjs/
Also when explaining antibody dependent enhancement, Sucharit Bhakdi spoke about the jabs messing with the conductor of the immune system which I thought was a very nice way to explain the disruption being caused. 26 minutes into this clip has the details:
Perspectives on the Pandemic | “Blood Clots and Beyond” | Episode 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyPjAfNNA-U
Completely correct. All that has happened is the SARS2 virus ( or whatever it is that RT-PCR tests measure dead strands of) is doing what all virus do, its getting used to its main host , learning to co-exist, happily replicating but not doing much besides inducing symptoms of a summer cold.
The ARR of the injections was only 1% or so, with no immunity or transmission benefits. So basically useless as a ‘medicine’.
But to allow the fear porn to continue and to lead into mandatory biotech IDs, very useful.
CDC sometimes can’t help themselves they issue statements that give the game away.
This simple answer to this is “This is all horseshit”. People who want to sell function-free Chinese fashion masks will pressure to have them declared a “mandatory” piece of clothing at every opportunity. “Democratic” politicians will happily comply if they can be convinced that this is – well – “fashionable” enough to translate into voter support.
If randomly guilliotining people under 25 was popular, “democracies” would “mandate” it. They’re on principle without principles.
The jab is keeping you away from the hospital, while also allowing you to merrily infect other people. This is also the true reason why they are pushing the vaccination campaign so much – if not everyone is vaccinated, then the vaccinated people can be essentially considered as walking bio-weapons with a potential to kill those unvaccinated ones.
This has been already studied in context of leaky vaccines for chicken (Marek’s disease). When you vaccinate the entire chicken population on a farm, you get fewer deaths overall – and in that sense vaccination is worthwhile. But when you vaccinate just some of the population, those unvaccinated chicken are disproportionately more likely to die compared to a situation where you did not vaccinate at all.
Of course, they cannot sell the truth that way because it does sound slightly fucked up (accepting the lesser evil basically, rather than some grand rescue thanks to wonders of science). So they are selling it the other way. But the reality is, under these circumstances, not getting vaccinated makes you the dumbest chicken out there.
This has also been “studied” with flu vaccination. Due to it turning the vaccinated into bio weapons, we all died in 2006 and I’m not writing this.
Enjoy your clotted arteries jab boy.
Not really like for like. Covid-19 is easily fought off by the vast majority of people with their own innate immunity. Similarly the vast majority have never and will never need a vaccination (faux or otherwise) to deal with it.
Mareks disease in chickens is highly contagious and cannot be cured, there is no treatment. And once a chicken is infected it is infected for life. The chicken vaccine helps with symptoms, but if a flock is infected infection spreads quickly regardless of the ‘vaccine status’ of the chicken.
So this, when 99% of those in hospital are unvaccinated? Apparently the vaccines work better in the US.
https://twitter.com/miranda_renate/status/1420022286980112388?s=20
“99%”
LOL!
Just a glitch in the matrix. Nothing to see here. Keep moving. Produce your papers at the checkpoint.
A bit like tomorrow, that finish line just never comes.
It’s not up to the CDC anyway. State and local authorities make decisions on mask mandates. At most, CDC guidance might get mandated in Federal buildings across the US, but is not binding anywhere else.
That will be the CDC with only 60% of its staff vaccinated as well. They know the data.
That was back in May…
Biden can’t remember what he said 2 minutes ago, let alone 2 MONTHS!
So tomorrow, “what are all of those people doing with their faces covered up?”
O what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
”…that vaccinated people infected with the highly infectious delta variant carry the same viral load as unvaccinated people who are infected…”
yeah but – no but – yeah but
Yes, I’m still picking my jaw up off the floor after reading that.
Either it’s mis-reporting, or it’s hugely significant, and means that we can not reach herd immunity through these… treatments.. and that they will not protect the untreated.
Jab induced herd immunity is always difficult against a changing virus. The best you’ll get is endless ‘boosters’ playing catch up.
Acquired immunity is however ‘robust, flexible, and apparently lifelong.
Well – at least we have in the Idiot Badge a reliable litmus test to indicate idiots and liars – even if it can’t distinguish between the two classes.
Well, at least Toby will be able to watch QPR after he’s taken the shot. It’s not all bad news is it?
What a world we live in eh?
If this nonsense doesn’t snap some sheep out of the herd I guess nothing will.
Wear a mask unless your with Governor Newsom’s kids’ summer camp.
Would a mask with a hole cut in the middle solve the problem?
Basically, Rip Van Biden lied to people of the benefits which would accrue to people getting vaccinated.
He even stated on camera that you wont catch it if you are jabbed – and now masks?
I’m guessing they aren’t getting the compliance required, and muzzles are the ultimate outward show of compliance
The muzzling was part of the original fear campaign, a very effective part. Not this time around. The jig is up.
“The game-changer for the agency was data showing that vaccinated people infected with the highly infectious delta variant carry the same viral load as unvaccinated people who are infected”
Isn’t this the end of vaccine passports?
It ought to be logically, but as we know the cognitive dissonance is so strong that it’s possible to firmly believe that specific measures are effective while also having data which proves that they don’t actually do anything at all.
Sadly true.
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
― George Orwell, 1984
They are only saying this because they know they have crushed the reasoning power of all but the strongest 30% of the population to the point they are incapable of questioning the narrative even when they are told to their faces that the narrative is wrong by the people dictating the narrative.
They are the broken prisoner who will not walk out of the cell even when the door is open, because they love their master and no one can question him.
Not if they claim that an unvaccinated person is more INFECTIOUS than a vaccinated person after both have become infected. Which I’m sure they will claim without a shred of empirical evidence to back it up. But that will be their premise. It’s all they have left.
Well that and boosters.
AmAziNg hoW aLl TheSe cenTUrIEs We DIdN’t NeeD MasKs aNd wHen 2020 CamE arOUnd WE juSt cOulDN’t Do wItHoUt tHeM. (OR SOmetHing LiKe tHAt)
In some ways this nonsense just adds weight to the unvaccinated people’s argument that they are either liars or incompetent. Some of those who took the jab must be asking themselves serious questions now. I mean, someone please explain to me why I should take a vaccine which obviously does not work lol.
Aside from sheer compliance of course.
To protect the NHS
Ain’t the NHS supposed to be there to protect US?!
(I think it’s more a low wages migrant subsidy)
Ahh, that was back during the old normal but in the new normal that’s our job now, and it makes you feel good too.
(I was going to add a rainbow but couldn’t bring myself too!)
To be fair, nobody I know under 70 took the vaccine because they hoped it worked. They took it because it meant they would be able to travel. And they are mighty pissed off it hasn’t returned life to normal and facilitated hassle free travel at all.
Also, I’ve just been on holiday and I am not vaccinated and it “only” cost me £40 more in tests than it would have done if I had been vaccinated. I’m not risking blood clots, GBS, paralysis, myocarditis and death for £40.
Is that ‘proven’ as in ‘proven not to work’?
latest variants of concern guff
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1005517/Technical_Briefing_19.pdf
from delta
2152 unvaxxed and 843 vaxxed had an overnight stay in hospital
165 unvaxxed and 224 vaxxed died ‘within 28 days etc’
don’t know without age etc data what that means.
cfr = 0.7% vaxxed
cfr = 0.1% unvaxxed
pages 18 and 19
I can’t decide whether these stats being released are for future ‘deniabilty’ or its just that they are too thick to care or as someone previously said on this thread they know 70% of the population have no ability anymore to recognise its meaning.
“The game-changer for the agency was data showing that vaccinated people infected with the highly infectious delta variant carry the same viral load as unvaccinated people who are infected…”
So the ‘vaccines’ don’t work anymore, is that it (if they ever did)? Now, Mr Gove, tell me why, given the above, the unvaccinated are not allowed into nightclubs etc.
Trainers and jeans. At least that was the reason the last time I tried to get into one.
I’ll get my coat.
That explains why they require two shots of the novel jean therapy. Hang on, I’ll get my coat too.
That used to make me laugh- we don’t want no trouble, so no jeans and trainers- even though there’s no link between the two, we had to do something so we just made something up. Sounds familiar…
The question that everyone needs to ask every government all the time is this: “where is the finish line?”
Is it zero Covid? One death a year? 10? Excess mortality at an average rate for the last five years? People spontaneously coming back to life?
There has to be an end point, and no serious attempt to tackle the “pandemic” can exist without one. It’s not enough to say “until it’s under control” without defining what “under control” means. And if it doesn’t have a meaning then it is – literally- meaningless.
They are asking for us to take an experimental vaccine in order to get back freedoms they never had the right to take from us.
Ok – well if you want us to do that you have to tell us what we are working towards, what we are taking that risk for. At what point is it over? If you can’t tell me that I won’t follow any of your advice, mandates or threats and nor should I because they amount to nothing.
I’ve been asking the same question of all my lockdown-supporting colleagues and ex-friends since the start. Never had an answer.
the finish line is our freedoms back. everything else will have to fit in
And sadly you never will.
The end game seems to be the ultimate control of people, ie do what we say when we say it, travel only when we allow it, they are climate control freaks of the highest order. I don’t know why we’re surprised when they sat goggled eyed at the Greta girl
Oh yes, I think we all know what the actual end game is. But we need to hear from governments what the end is. They must – if they are not utter clowns – have a definition of what constitutes success, a KPI if you like. Otherwise how do they know when to stop?
Of course the fact they don’t have one tells us everything we need to know. That’s why everyone has to keep asking them.
They’ve given KPIs from time to time I think but they just change them and no-one notices or they are so vague as to be meaningless, and no-one notices
The KPI is that 100% of your work benefits them.
I’ll give you one. By the year end the maximum number of people having and using ‘health passes’, ie biotech IDs. I think the minimum percentage KPI is 70%. After that they will feel they can do what they want, when they want and the majority will have to submit.
There is only one KPI in regard to covid 19.
Zero carbon!
There was a brilliant Sociology Prof on the Question Everything Summit who said that freedom has become a second order value, empty of meaning. Freedom Vs safetyism, if we live freely during this ‘pandemic’ we are threatening the safety and health if others. Folk have willingly given away their freedoms for a feeling of security from the Government.
We now live in a risk averse society obsessed with their personal health and safety but with a complete lack of personal responsibility, they want Government to look after them. We are now seeing a risk averse hostility to people wishing to exercise their freedoms. His analysis was fascinating.
Spot on- but it’s been like that for decades, it’s just that Covid has brought it out into the open.
Looking at various media comments and there are not many left who still believe any of this nonsense, even the one’s still wearing a mask admit they just do it to avoid hassle.
…data showing that vaccinated people infected with the highly infectious delta variant carry the same viral load as unvaccinated people who are infected.
Fat lot of bloody good the snake oils are, then.
Actually, the titers of the vaccinated were much higher; they are hiding this fact. See Stew Peter’s July 21 interview with Dr. McC on rumble.
Pfizer Contract Details , apologies if anyone has seen this recently, but its very damning and could go some way to explaining Governments paranoa.
Although the leaked documents are actually lab “drafts”, a rough draft, a non-final version, it’s a safe bet that the contracts look like two drops of water. Pfizer has been rather aggressive in trying to protect the details of their international COVID-19 vaccine agreements. But here is a copy. The document which is peeled here was made public by Albania in January 2021.
First of all, we note that the cost of developing contracts is very high and takes a long time (legal review cycles). Pfizer, like all companies, develops a standardized agreement template and uses these agreements with relatively minor adjustments in different countries. These deals are supposed to be confidential … But as you are about to see, there is a good reason Pfizer was fighting to hide the details.
To begin with, let’s talk about the product: the agreement covers not only the manufacture of vaccines against Sars-COV-2 and its mutations, but also any “device, technology or product used for administration or to improve the use or ‘effect of such a vaccine’.
If you were wondering why ivermectin was prevented, well, it is simply because the deal with Pfizer does not allow them to escape their contract, which states that even if an effective drug is found to treat the Covid-19, the contract cannot be canceled. Difficult therefore, to play on two counts. Can you imagine the millions of doses paid for and doomed to destruction if an effective and inexpensive treatment were to exist?
Vaccine supply:
To be clear, “the buyer waives all rights and remedies he may have under the law”, and therefore will suffer the consequences of defective and / or missing products if this should happen. The only way to get a recall is to prove a manufacturing defect.
“For greater clarity, the purchaser will not have the right to reject a product on the basis of service claims unless a product materially meets specifications or manufacturing standards.” Note, however, that this is difficult proof since the manufacturing process has not even stabilized yet.
Now let’s take a look at what might be of interest to lawyers.
“The purchaser acknowledges that the long-term effects and efficacy of the vaccine are currently not known and that there may be adverse effects of the vaccine which are currently not known.”
On the other hand, there are clauses regarding the possibility of termination, but in any event, the buyer has almost nothing that can be considered a material violation (even in the event of ineffectiveness of the vaccines or in the event of serious / fatal side effects), while Pfizer can easily do this if they don’t get their money’s worth or if they deem it necessary. In other words, it works one way but not the other …
The buyer hereby agrees to indemnify, defend and assume all responsibilities incumbent on Pfizer and its subsidiaries (…) as a result of lawsuits, claims, legal actions, losses, damages, liability, penalties, almonds, costs and expenses… The world upside down, you say?
The buyer state must defend Pfizer:
“Pfizer will notify the purchaser of losses for which it seeks compensation. Upon notification, the purchaser will promptly assume the conduct and defense of such indemnifiable claims on behalf of “Pfizer”. However, Pfizer will have the right to defend itself and the purchaser will pay all losses, including, without limitation, legal fees and other expenses incurred.
Part 2 following
Part 2
Pfizer ensures that the country in question will pay for everything:
“Costs and expenses, including attorneys’ fees and disbursements, incurred in a claim that may give rise to a claim for compensation, will be reimbursed on a quarterly basis by the purchaser. . “The purchasing country is almost entirely responsible and waives any right of immunity. It must provide Pfizer with complete immunity from all claims and losses, must implement it in accordance with legal or regulatory requirements, and only Pfizer can decide what level of protection it deems sufficient.
In addition, at a time when the health data of the individual is about to be more and more disclosed and studied, confidentiality on the side of the laboratories does not lose its value. Thus, each recipient is required to protect data and contracts with Pfizer, and “will only disclose confidential information to those of its representatives who need to know such confidential information to fulfill their obligations under this agreement.” The contract must theoretically remain confidential for 10 years. In theory, this leaves time to see side effects coming and to protect yourself from them
Comments: This contract is simply terrifying and puts the states at the mercy of Pfizer. Billions of doses ordered will be delivered with no way for states to stop the supply. The only way to break the contract is to prove the manufacturing defect, which is virtually impossible. The manufacturing process is not stabilized so it is impossible to demonstrate that the vaccines would not be compliant. Pfizer has total immunity and is not even responsible for the ineffectiveness of its vaccines or for the occurrence of side effects, short or long term. The amounts involved are such and the risks for States so disproportionate that it is now easy to understand why there is no pharmacovigilance. Lead frommajor studies of vaccine side effects would mean shooting themselves in the foot, because they would have to pay all the consequences.
The State will therefore do everything to minimize, hide, deny any side effects in order to avoid prosecution and having to pay for Pfizer. States have clearly put themselves at the service of the laboratory to the detriment of the health of their populations.
Twitter thread containing link to original Albanian document
https://twitter.com/eh_den/status/1419660536657154059
Why should any of this bother a government? They can just pass a new law making this irrelevant. They can do anything they want, in case no one has noticed recently.
Unfortunately that does not work legally with international contracts. And even if they could break this, they would face never being able to sign another significant one again. Its what happens to tin-pot regimes like Argentina, over years it ruins economies because no-one trusts the government of that country again.
It could be argued that this UK government is sailing close to that wind with its behaviour over the NI agreement with the EU as part of brexit. But so far its just managing to stay on the legal side of the line.
Once trust is destroyed internationally, its very hard to recover.
Cogent analysis
Hopefully, it will become crystal clear now that the ONLY way out of this is political upheaval, otherwise it will NEVER end. Political revolution! Not a pleasant Saturday stroll through town, but mass and constant and principled civil disobedience, political organizing around the Western principles of human rights and freedom, and a rejection of all forms of medical technocracy. If people keep waiting for the lords of the manor to set them free, they are nothing but delusional serfs.
i don’t know about anyone else, but this is wonderful news to me.
It is public admission that the vaccines don’t work.
That leaves only 2 ways out of this mess that the world’s governments have gotten us into.
Or the mess stays for ever and people accept this miserable way of living, aka the new normal.
It’s good news to people like you and I, and other contributors who were sceptical of these ‘miracle vaccines’ but like with everything else, lockdowns, masks etc, in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary those in positions of power and indeed the general populace continue to just double, and triple down on these awful ideas rather than admit the jig is up. To me this is more problematic rather than cause for celebration, which it really should be if we were actually being governed by logic and data.
Of all the things I detest about this covid thing, I would vote face masks (excuse me, face coverings) as the absolute worst.
They are the shining star example of the combination of government bungling; outright bullshit from the scientific community; unquestioning regurgitation of propaganda from the the media; and wilful ignorance and paranoia on the part of the general public.
Whenever I encounter one of these mask-people, I’m tempted to ask if they know how much protection wearing a “face covering” provides. Because it’s obvious these morons have no idea. And it’s never occurred to them to do the most basic sort of cost/benefit analysis on the topic.
Don’t get me wrong: I’m all in favour of effective safety gear. I wear helmets on my bicycles and motorbikes. I wear safety glasses when using power tools. Seatbelts in cars and airplanes. Rubber gloves when handling chemicals. Life vests in watercraft. Of course, all of those items have been tested to be effective, and are manufactured and sold to established standards of quality and performance.
But no, face masks will be with us for some time. Maybe years. And until that day, a good portion of the world’s population will be wandering around, masked and muzzled like the faceless stupid automatons they have become.
A pox on them all. “Maskne” is a good start.
The only good thing about masks is that it externalizes the stupid, so now you can see at a glance who the idiots are.
Effective safety gear is fine, provided that the user gets to choose whether and when to employ it and exactly what gear to use
100%- this is the essence of personal responsibility and freedom of choice, which has been denied us for a long time.
Hardly anyone is still wearing face masks here in the states, unless they are being made to.
STAGE ONE – Deliberate release of a pathogen worldwide, eliminating enough of those that cost society so much to care for, greatly reducing the burden on the state, while scaring the rest of the world.
STAGE TWO – Convince the entire world that their only savour will be a vaccine, which will save them from the sort of fate that met their elderly relatives. When persuasion doesn’t work,introduce various radical measures to curtail all freedoms until there is 100% compliance.
STAGE THREE – Introduce a vaccine booster, claiming that the vaccine is not as effective as originally believed, containing something that will selectively react with the spike proteins embedded in those who took the vaccinations over a period of time. The object being to cull those who have specific comorbidities that will ultimately require state spending on health, leaving only a much smaller and healthier world population. That population will be more compliant to climate and health regulations. Both governments and Pharma benefit from reduced spending and more income.
Stage 1 = conspiracy theory (proven correct)
Stage 2 = conspiracy theory (proven correct)
Stage 3 = conspiracy theory (you can see where I’m going with this). Actually on this, govt liabilities (pensions etc.) are massive and can’t be serviced + they are never accounted for in economic health projections. They are known but hidden. All makes sense really.
Quid Pro Joe is deeply unwell, unfortunately for him.
Bonkers Biden is making Trump look like an intellectual. This vacuous twerp,with all the charisma of a damp rag, is apparently the leader of the western world. It’s no wonder the Chinese can run roughshod over us.
“The Delta variant is showing every day its willingness to outsmart us”. The use of folksy, patronising, anthropomorphic language and their cheesy promotional videos ( when they are not using young actors pretending to be sick and regretting not taking the jab), shows the level of argument offered by Governments- meanwhile we pore over the latest John Dee statistics or a paper from “Frontiers in immunology” on Mucosal IgA- why are we not winning this?
Because the truth hurts and making the effort to discover the truth is tiring for people
There is no ‘finishing line’, its wall to wall tyranny.
See article in Epoch Times – they cannot produce a valid, peer reviewed report to justify this:
https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/cdc-studies-propelling-shift-in-mask-guidance-not-available_3923107.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email2&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-07-28-3&mktids=400f7470305109d6c7caa84a9f57be19&est=R%2FdX%2BNqUcrfvDjZ4aoTooGrjPSH6nTgw0122UjMndDuPPNDPMgpu9N84IGV3lvRj%2FlkeJw%3D%3D
‘The Delta variant is showing every day its willingness to outsmart us and to be an opportunist in areas where we have not shown a fortified response against it’. Cross through the words ‘the Delta variant’ and replace with ‘the Government’…..
It would be an act of kindness to have him ‘put down’
Flip flop, flip flop. Walensky and Biden make a great pair if you are interested in misinformation. Minutes ago the vaccinated were told no masks needed anywhere and the great unwashed told just keep wearing them. Now, it is everybody wear them indoors. This despite the dozens of studies that show masks don’t work. Do you really want to take advice from flip floppers, or would you prefer advice from sound, solid scientists who have been consistent over the past 18 months. I know which I would choose. A big thank you to Drs. Scott Atlas, Peter McCullough, John Ioannidis, Jay Battacharya, Martin Kuldorff, Claire Craig, Simone Gold, Pierre Kory, Zev Zelenko, Harvey Risch and the hundreds of other medics, scientists, epidemiologists, virologists and immunologists who have been our leading lights. God bless all of you.
The bastard must have shares in the manufacturer
Just like Britain, politicians are lying bastards. We need to fight the fuckers