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Germany Begins Felling 120,000 Trees From ‘Fairy Tale’ Forest to Make Way for Wind Turbines

by Chris Morrison
8 March 2024 7:00 AM

The windmills are spinning golden subsidies in the central German ‘fairy tale’ forest of Reinhardswald, but the payment is the partial destruction of the 1,000 year-old ancient wood itself. Work has started on the clearing of up to 120,000 trees in the forest, the setting for many of the Brothers Grimm mythical stories, to provide access for an initial 18 giant wind turbines around the Sababurg ‘Sleeping Beauty’ castle. Who is opposing this massive destruction of the ancient forest teeming with wildlife with trees over 200 years old? Certainly not the Green party, now in power at national and local level. In fact the project is being led by local Hesse Green Minister Priska Hinz who is reported to have said: “Wind energy makes a decisive contribution to the energy transition and the preservation of nature. It is the only way to preserve forests and important ecosystems.”

There is some local press interest in Germany about the destruction of part of the forest that covers a 200 square kilometre area. Nevertheless, the mainstream media generally keep well away from covering environmental destruction when the Greens are doing it in the claimed cause of saving the planet. The BBC did cover the story under the headline ‘Battle over wind turbines in the land of Sleeping Beauty‘, but that was in 2013 when plans for the industrial development were first announced. It seems that the state-reliant broadcaster is less interested now that the Big Bad Wolf has finally made a meal of Little Red Riding Hood.

Pierre Gosselin, who runs the German-based science site No Tricks Zone, has been covering the outrage felt in a number of German quarters at the plans to destroy some of the Reinhardswald forest in the interest of inferior green technology. He feels the affair shows what an inefficient and costly scam green energy is. “It’s not cost-free, it’s full of corrupt and unresponsive politicians who no longer care about democracy, and it certainly doesn’t make the environment better. It’s a nasty juggernaut of waste, fraud, corruption and ecological degradation – with dead birds, turbine vibration sickness, strobe dizziness and landscape pollution,” he adds.

The Guardian has been curiously silent over the clearing of woodland to build wind turbines in Hesse. In 2020 it was less reticent about reporting on the construction of a 3 km highway in another Hessian forest at Dannenroder. Thousands of climate activists gathered on the site north of Frankfurt, it reported. Dannenroder tree-felling would be a catastrophe, environmental campaigners are reported to have said. “Some parts of this forest are 250 years old,” noted Nicola Uhde of the German Federation for the Environment and Nature Conservation (Bund), “and there is simply not much of this kind of woodland around anymore.” At the time, the Guardian noted the fate of Dannenroder was a “litmus test for the Green party” which governed the state as part of a coalition. It seems to have been remiss in not suggesting such a test with the Reinhardswald deforestation. But then it seems none of the usual climate activists have been protesting about the loss of trees and wildlife habitat on this occasion.

The Daily Sceptic has reported on numerous recent examples where the lack of interest in ecological damage is a feature of green industrial development. Last month, we noted that one of India’s iconic large birds, the great Indian bustard, was on the verge of extinction due to the growth of electric power lines in its home area of the Thar desert. To reach global Net Zero, it has been estimated that new power lines equivalent to circling the globe 2,000 times will need to be built in the next few years.

Last October, we reported that wind farms in Tasmania had reduced the population of the endangered local wedge-tailed eagle to around 1,000 individuals. Across the world, millions of bats are being chewed by giant wind blades. Any animal that relies on wind currents for flight such as a large raptor is at risk of being sucked into the whirling machines. In California, the Democrat-controlled state Government recently relaxed controls on wildlife protections to allow permits to kill previously fully protected species for renewable infrastructure projects. Despite an increased risk to America’s national bird, the bald eagle, barely a peep of protest was recorded. Off America’s eastern coast, massive industrial parks are being constructed for wind turbines. It might be a coincidence that hundreds of whales have beached along the shore in recent years, but a more likely explanation is the deafening sonar noise, constant pile driving, extensive ocean building works and heavy shipping movements.

None of the above are likely to feature when the magic mirror is asked: “Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the greenest one of all?”

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor.

Tags: Climate AlarmismDeforestationGermanyNet ZeroRenewable energyWind Power

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago

Patrick Vallance of eco-health alliance (spook front and viral GoF research exporters to Wuhan) fame?

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

This is the problem you face when you have an essentially very weak personality occupying the position of PM, someone who is easily swayed, does not have the courage of their own convictions and is likely to be easily pushed down an extreme route, as opposed to someone of strong mind who is capable of thinking for themselves.

Whatever the doomsayers might spout, I am sure the UK must make some kind of contribution to carbon reduction, but the course the PM has steered the country into would almost have you believe that the UK alone is responsible for all of it and has to adopt the most draconian and bankrupting of measures because no other country can “save the world”. Absolutely ridiculous, especially when neither China nor India, two of the world’s worst polluters can seemingly be made to make any kind of commitments never mind the type of sacrifices ordinary people in the UK are expected to make. Utter madness.

Where is a sense of proportion when it is most needed?

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

The Climate Change scenario took attention away from industrial pollution of the kind that big companies could afford to remedy, if they spent some of their profits on it or simply thought more carefully about what they were doing. Instead, we were all offered constant fear.
We could control the fear by entering into Desmet’s Mass Formation. If we watched ourselves every step of the way and obeyed instructions about recycling and anything else we were told to do in order to “save the planet”, we would at least know that we were virtuous – doing the right thing.
A small step to saving the NHS (or any other “health system”) by another display of uncritical, unquestioning obedience.

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cubby
cubby
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Please look into CO2 levels in the geological past. They have been multiple times higher than now and didn’t cause a greenhouse effect, nor will they now.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  cubby

Maybe that was on slide 12. Johnson only saw 11.

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

There is no need whatsoever to contribute to lowering CO2, which is similarly well within natural variable limits. Because it’s provable that CO2 concentration has no effect on global temperatures, which are not going up anyway.

The whole thing is yet another gigantic money-diverting scheme which is now collapsing in on itself…

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

If it can’t be empirically proven atmospheric CO2 has an effect on global temperatures (which has never been done) it can therefore never be empirically proven it doesn’t have an effect.

Global temperatures have risen since the 1850’s (not by much though) but as the planet is around the coldest it’s ever been without being in a full blown ice age, it’s no bad thing. 1.5ºC cooler would be catastrophic.

The true indicator, if there is one, of the ideal level of atmospheric CO2 is Mother Nature herself.

C3 plant’s (95% of all plant life) flourishes around 1,000ppm – 1,200ppm. Personally, I think that’s a big clue as to where the ideal CO2 content of the atmosphere should be.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Sadly though climate change is exactly like Covid. Spread nonsense and doom-mongering into the general sheep population and then close down any other debate.
Stretching back to the 1960’s we have had at least 50 “climate emergencies” almost one a year professing doom if we don’t act now. And guess what? The planet is still here, the Maldives aren’t underwater, the ice age never did come etc etc etc

As with Covid, I am just staggered how many gullible, thick people there are on this planet. Reading comments on this website is a bit of a release from their grip!

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

“global temperatures, which are not going up anyway”

That’s nonsense. Temperatures are on a rising trend.

The question is not about that, but whether anthropogenic CO2 is significant, and whether that rising trend – lower than the catastrophe predictions -is cause fora panic narrative.

My concern is that the focus on ‘climate change’ – which is always happening -distracts from the wider, obvious issues of human impact on the environment.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Why must we make some reduction? Carbon Dioxide -to give it it’s proper name instead of ‘carbon’- is not a pollutant.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Revealed, the true cost of Net Zero insanity … £18,000 a year for every household 
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/revealed-the-true-cost-of-net-zero-insanity-18000-a-year-for-every-household/
Andrew Montford
–
Let’s keep getting the message out with our friendly resistance.

Thursday 10th February 5pm 
 Silent lighted walk behind one simple sign 
 “No More Lockdown & Covid Rules Are Barking”  
Bring torches, candles and other lights  
meet outside Town Hall, between Rose Inn & Costa 
Wokingham RG40 1AP

Stand in the Park Sundays 10am  make friends, ignore the madness & keep sane 
Wokingham Howard Palmer Gardens Cockpit Path car park Sturges Rd RG40 2HD  
Henley Mills Meadows (at the bandstand) Henley-on-Thames RG9 1DS

Telegram Group 
http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

Professor… Belcher?

They are making this shit up!

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Yep. Been making it up for the best part of forty years now.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

True, but some people still believe in Santer.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago

Assuming we got rid of the windmills, where would we get our gas?

The inconvenient truth is that if we don’t do some sort of deal with Russia to buy gas at long term fixed prices, we are screwed.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Drill for gas; dig for coal.

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Username1
Username1
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

It’s a shame you can’t shop around for electricity produced only by coal power. It would be about 10p/kWh. In April the price cap is going up from 21p to 28p.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

if they stopped dumping so much red-tape on nuclear it would cost about half that.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

Mine went from 14p to 24p 2 months ago, then they sent an email saying this…

The key thing is this: the cost of the energy we’re buying on the global markets to supply our customers is three times higher than it was a year ago.

At the moment, customers on standard
variable tariffs are protected from price rises until the Government
price cap is updated in April. That means for an average home, we are
currently buying energy for about £2000 and selling it for £1300.

However, when the cap is updated, it’s
likely a typical bill will rise over 75% compared to the same time last
year. That’s another £60 a month: a huge burden for most homes.

Last edited 3 years ago by ImpObs
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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

I got the same crap from Octopus. Perhaps they could divert some funds away from their BLM campaigns and use them to reduce tariffs

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

LOL! A down-vote from Big Al…?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Is he still getting his chakras off in his beachfront mansion?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Assuming the address of Gores mansion is correct, it’s a few hundred feet up a hill overlooking the beach. You can see it on Google maps.

The guy you might want to question is Obama with a $14m estate on Martha’s Vineyard, some 3m above sea level, and the genuine beachfront property ha’s building in Hawaii.

Gore is another Biden, as thick as two short planks and equally unprincipled.

My question is, how did Obama, who was virtually broke when he became POTUS, amass a fortune large enough to spunk $20m or so on two properties, on a salary of a few hundred thousand for 8 years……..

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Perhaps Obimi got a borrow from Billy Boy.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

My question is, how did Obama, who was virtually broke when he became POTUS, amass a fortune large enough to spunk $20m or so on two properties, on a salary of a few hundred thousand for 8 years…

That’s an easy one….

You give me this big contract, and I’ll kick back some to you at a later date.  Chicago Way.

Obama gave Pearson Publishing $350 million to create Commoncore text and Pearson gave Obama a $65 million dollar book deal in return.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/obama_gave_commoncore_contract_to_publisher_got_65_million_book_deal_in_return.html

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Amazing how no one in the media questions this, yet absolutely everything Trump did was scrutinized until they found some fault or something they could claim was corrupt. I have absolutely no idea what Obama did to rate the adoration heaped upon him.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Coal, gas and oil reserves around the world are pretty much known. We raeched a peak in conventional oil production in 2005-6 and have been kept going by fracking. Gas sources are closely linked to oil sources.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Absolute bollox. Peak Oil is a myth perpetuated by the greens. America was the largest Oil and gas producer under Trump. How did that happen if peak Oil was breached in 2006?

There are massive Oil reserves yet to be tapped, the question is, is it economical to tap it.

As technology advances so it becomes more viable to access these reserves.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Perhaps we should stop pissing the Russians off until we are properly self-sufficient

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We don’t buy Russian gas.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Exactly, but Russian gas has kept us going indirectly by its effects on the European gas market. NB – we stopped being self sufficient in gas many years ago.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Our energy independence has nothing to do with Russia.

Nor has the gas price much to do with Russia either, it’s more to do with China’s ongoing expansion and it buying up as much gas on the global markets as it can. Ships are being diverted mid passage in response to a bidding war.

It’s also true that Germany in particular has far too few LNG facilities so can’t take advantage of supplies from the US and Australia.

If anyones to blame for this situation it’s Germany with it’s ridiculous policy of shutting Nuclear down following Fukushima (a green excuse), insistence that renewables are a viable energy source, it’s failure to ensure it’s own gas stocks were maintained and it’s reliance on Russia for gas.

The UK’s problems are of its own making largely because successive governments have insisted on promoting the welfare state ahead of national infrastructure including energy security.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

It’s as if lots of ex geman leaders are on Gazprom sinecures and have a vested interest in making sure germans have to buy PutinGas(TM)

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

No. I don’t believe it.

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JockCovidiot
JockCovidiot
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

And what do you think happens when those countries who do buy Russian gas cannot and start competing against us to secure supplies elsewhere Einstein?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  JockCovidiot

See my response below to Londo Mollari, Einstein.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

The UK doesn’t use Russian gas.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

See previous answer.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

See my response to your ridiculous Peak Oil post, which I assume is the one you are referring to.

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mwhite
mwhite
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Fracking: Why wouldn’t we extract the ‘trillion pounds of gas treasure under our feet’| Richard Tice – YouTube

Then there’s all the coal seam gas ripe for fracking.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
3 years ago
Reply to  mwhite

Simple answer – so much energy is used in the production of fracked oil and gas that there’s scarcely any surplus energy.

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cubby
cubby
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Would you care to supply some evidence for such a bold claim?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  cubby

Don’t bother asking. The guy is a clown.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Of all the stupid statement you have made, that one pretty well tops them all.

Shale gas extraction sites have the physical footprint of a couple of football fields. The technology employed is simple, straightforward and extremely efficient.

The labour element is almost zero.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

http://exploreshale.psu.edu/

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

And all the protesters that have effectively killed it should be the ones paying the excessive energy prices that their high mindedness has brought about, but instead it’s the rest of us as usual.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  mwhite

http://exploreshale.psu.edu/

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cubby
cubby
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Shale.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago
Reply to  cubby

http://exploreshale.psu.edu/

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Will
Will
3 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

The windmills have hardly turned all winter. Donnington power station has been burning coal, like it is going out of fashion, since October. Maybe the complete lack of wind is indicative of climate change, but relying on the wind to keep the lights on doesn’t look like a great plan.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

I like Josh.

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Username1
Username1
3 years ago

The Great Global Warming Swindle – 15 years old but still a brilliant film to show climate alarmists:

https://youtu.be/oYhCQv5tNsQ

And to think they showed it on national TV – Channel 4!!!

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mwhite
mwhite
3 years ago
Reply to  Username1

Climate Hustle (2017) (odysee.com)

You might like this one

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mwhite
mwhite
3 years ago
Reply to  mwhite

Or on bitchute

Climate Hustle (Documentary) (bitchute.com)

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Mike Oxlong
Mike Oxlong
3 years ago

All the money that has gone into making crap renewables like wind and solar could have been spent making sure coal-fired power stations were cleaner.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Oxlong

I’d like to know where all this “cheap” renewable electricity the greens tell us is coming from renewables that we subsidise to the tune of £11Bn a year is????

The fact is, the government (Nut Nuts) will use this global gas price anomaly to broadcast just how cheap renewable electricity is.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

There’s some great stuff on Gettr

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may

https://gettr.com/post/ptdupy3e29

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Eric Olthwaite
Eric Olthwaite
3 years ago

As we also reported, the event, which came to light recently after an FOI request, was described by the climate writer Paul Homewood as a “childish attempt to scare the PM”.

Well judging by the PM’s policies it seems to have worked.

I’ve come to the conclusion that not only is Johnson lazy and easily fooled but regardless of his privileged Eton upbringing I also suspect he is as thick as two short planks as well.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Eric Olthwaite

Of course. Eton’s raison d’etre is to get thick rich boys punching well above their weight. Cameron is another example – Mr Nice But Dim.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Eric Olthwaite

Not an unreasonable conclusion to draw however, had you read some of the dribble published in his newspaper columns you would have realised it many years ago.

Ironically, the only thing he did write sensibly about is climate change, or lack thereof.

I also think he’s the only person I know of to have done a ‘U’ turn from being a climate sceptic to becoming a believer.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Brown is another dismal PM who suddenly got a strange female “wife” and also suddenly seems to decide globalist welfare state was the best thing to spend British taxpayer’s money on.

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago

WUWT does a better job of it IMO.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/02/02/uk-pm-boris-johnson-duped-by-uk-activists-climate-slides-climate-depots-point-by-point-rebuttal-to-help-deprogram-the-propaganda-johnson-absorbed/

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GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
3 years ago

The climate may be changing and man may be having a small effect (deforestation, geo-engineering, pollution etc) but it is NOT a reason to give the un-elected UN (and elected national governments without a referendum) huge powers to control harmless CO2 (ergo all human activity) that governments around the world can use and abuse to their own advantage with liberties possibly never returning. (Their over-reaction to Covid is a taster of what is to come).

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

If you read the article about Mark Carney – former Canadian governor of the Bank of England with ambitions to become Canadian premier [watch out Justin, he fancies your job] then you will see that that is precisely what he intends to happen and thinks it will be wonderful. God help us all.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Carney is one of the dark horse bad boys currently taking up too much space on this planet.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

“and man may be having a small effect “

Assuming atmospheric CO2 causes the planet to warm as fast as the greens would have us believe, judging by known scientific historical certainties, mankind’s ongoing contribution would take ~25,000 to raise global temperatures by ~2ºC.

This was the original point of global catastrophe until the greens realised it was unachievable so they lowered it to 1.5ºC, which, arithmetically speaking, is still in excess of 10,000 years away.

There is nothing scientific at all about forecasting future events, it’s all guesswork no matter how much money and how many computer projections one throws at it. For example, if the live volcano in the Yellowstone area erupted the planet would be plunged into a catastrophic cold period for decades.

Yellowstone erupting is far more likely than mankind warming the planet to any meaningful extent.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

It’s about rent-seeking from every single person on the planet. I couldn’t think of a better way to describe “globalism”.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

Save the earth… no, wait!

Green Wrecking Ball: Germany Clearing “Undisturbed” 1000-Year Old Forest, Make Way For Massive Wind Park.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/02/04/green-wrecking-ball-germany-clearing-undisturbed-1000-year-old-forest-make-way-for-massive-wind-park/

Mining the Planet to Death – The Dirty Truth About Clean Technologies

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/mining-the-planet-to-death-the-dirty-truth-about-clean-technologies-a-696d7adf-35db-4844-80be-dbd1ab698fa3

A green taxi…?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

It’s blue…….

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civilliberties
civilliberties
3 years ago

the cartoon above hits home as poverty is a real issue effecting millions of people, its disgraceful when people are going to food banks or can’t afford food, heating etc etc ol boris and co will never know the decision to eat or heat.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

Extreme poverty is relative. Foodbanks are a luxury western nations can afford.

Meanwhile, global extreme poverty has fallen dramatically over the last few decades thanks to prosperity.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Excellent point that somehow never makes it onto the front pages.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  civilliberties

We probably have foodbanks and other indignities because benefits and pensions are about half as much as they were in 1975, *relative to average UK income.* I looked this up recently and was quite shocked. Unemployment benefit then seemed to be about one third of a normal wage. But Universal Credit now, 47 years later, is about £5,000 per annum and a typical income is £30,000/annum.

One result of incomes rising over this 45-50 year period was that house prices and market rents also rose, at least in step with income. However, benefits claimants and to some extent old age pensioners have an obvious problem if this happens. Rising rents make it more difficult for these groups to afford a roof over their head. Their own income hasn’t kept pace with the prosperity of the rest of the economy.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

House affordability has fallen massively as wages haven’t kept pace with credit growth (which drives title prices).

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Not really. With the recognition that life expectancy and health outcomes have dramatically improved in the last generation or two, and state retirement isn’t until 67 for our youth now, mortgages terms are up to 45 years in some instances, from 25 years in the 70’s.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

A very good illustration of Joe public’s neglect of their personal old age provision since the welfare state began.

What you do neglect to mention is, that whilst unemployment benefits have been eroded, so other welfare provisions have manifested themselves.

Rising rent’s aren’t too much of a problem for ‘council house’ tenants once they are in. Councils simply don’t throw people with kids, disabilities, or the elderly into the street just because they can’t pay rent.

Whatever society does there is a hardcore of unemployed who will never be employed because they don’t want to be employed, some of them going back generations. Realistically, there aren’t that many of them as Unemployment Figures would probably be better expressed as Employment Turnover. The former has been variously used by governments to their political advantage, or to the oppositions advantage when the reality is, most people are only short term unemployed.

If we accepted there is a hard core and concentrated on creating decent employment opportunities (the SNP in Scotland haven’t attracted a single major manufacturer to the country in 15 years) Employment Turnover would be much faster and less of a strain on the public purse.

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annicx
annicx
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

There are many people near me on benefits of one sort or another. None of them struggle to pay for anything, because in reality they don’t have to pay much. No rent, no rates. They all drive, all have holidays, satellite TV, smart phones- and food banks are hardly ‘indignities’- at least in Sheffield because most using them don’t mind in the least. I have a friend who works in one and she is often reduced to tears- not by the depravation, but by the shameless abuse of the kindness being shown by those who use foodbanks to make sure they can afford their booze. How does she know this? Because they come straight out of Morrisons with their booze and collect their free food on the way back to the car. And is there any particular reason why they can’t work? Every pub, shop, cafe, care agency and a variety of other small businesses are struggling to fill vacancies so there is plenty of work out there. Lastly, at least round here, the typical wage is significantly south of £30,000- even before you lose half of it taxes of one sort or another. We all know there are some that need help, but equally we all know there are many who have no intention of working whilst we pay them not too.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“Government’s Chief Scientific Officer Sir Patrick Vallance”

They must study how to run a scam at University these days, as part of their “scientific” degree courses.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

As the last ice age ended only 11500 years ago which in geological terms is very recently, the earth is still warming up and the land is still recovering. The is a photo of an area of land in Scandinavia taken over 100 years ago. There is a photo of the same area 100 years later and it’s changed because the land is still rising after being compressed by ice for 100000 years.

We are in the warm interglacial period and if there is global warming it’s because we are in the warm interglacial period and not due to CO2 which only takes up 0.04% of the earths atmosphere (which nature is responsible for 97% of).

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

I know, like I said, where is there sense of proportion or any kind of idea of the bigger picture.

Its not about facts – its just about politics

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

‘The science’ of climate change has been debated by scientists for half a century now at least.

The problem is, politics and big money has hijacked it by lying to the general public who have little understanding of science.

Less that 10% of the worlds population are scientists. Even if they were all persuaded that climate change wasn’t a threat, that’s only 10% of the world’s voters.

The great unwashed have been coopted by cultivated hysteria by the likes of Al Gore telling unscientific porkies. Boris has fallen victim to precisely this because he’s not a scientist.

The subject will never be put to bed whilst the public are presented with science they don’t understand, which is why propaganda has been so effective in persuading them climate change is a threat.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

With the certainty of ignorance, too many think they do understand – and lecture those who ask inconvenient questions.
“Understanding”, in the eyes of zealots, is the ability to recite the appropriate narrative.

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ElSabio
ElSabio
3 years ago

That hot-head Hansen has a lot to answer for….

1988: James Hansen And Tim Wirth Sabotaged The Air Conditioning In Congress

And did you also alter the temperature in the hearing room that day?

… What we did it was went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right? So that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room and so when the, when the hearing occurred there was not only bliss, which is television cameras in double figures, but it was really hot. … So Hansen’s giving this testimony, you’ve got these television cameras back there heating up the room, and the air conditioning in the room didn’t appear to work. So it was sort of a perfect collection of events that happened that day, with the wonderful Jim Hansen, who was wiping his brow at the witness table and giving this remarkable testimony.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/1988-james-hansen-and-tim-wirth-sabotaged-the-air-conditioning-in-congress/

Hansen on fire_jpg.jpg
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amitp82
amitp82
3 years ago

What does Paddy Vallance know about climate science?? Does he know anything about infectious disease?? Does he know anything about Public Health?? Is he a virologist?? Is he an Epidemiologist?? Nope… he is a vascular biologist… Need I say more…

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  amitp82

He knows about the clot shot harms then! But says nothing.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  amitp82

Most of the ‘scientists’ forming the global warming consensus have no qualifications in atmospheric physics. Their opinion is as valid as a plumber talking about an electrical installation.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I don’t agree with that. There are an enormous number of things that affect the climate including Oceans, the Biosphere, the Sun, Weather itself, Astro Physics, Radiant Gasses etc.

The problem is, no one person has the time to become proficient in all of them to make a reliable judgement on climate.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  amitp82

Oh, so much more! He knows how to speak to politicians – how to flatter, how to cajole. He is a courtier. Most of the best scientists are not.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

I’m pretty sure he also has a little black book of distasteful proclivities……..

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago
Reply to  amitp82

What does Vallance know about ANYTHING? ( Apart from how to scare the living daylights out of the sheeple- including Bozo, and how to make a stack of cash for himself!).

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Chance of achieving net zero?
Zero.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

Poor Pfeffel, apparently so confused and easily mislead into one cock-up theory after another.

Daily Sceptics has spent a sizeable amount of time claiming the plandemic was a cock-up, and now trying to convince us Pfeffel is some kind of victim to bad advice again.

Look, it’s all here, written on the government website what this is all about. It’s been on there for years.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

The mere concept that governments imagine they can plan a route 13 years hence is patently ludicrous.

Covid is a case in point, as was the 2008 global financial crash. Dogmatic insistence that the future of the UK will be shaped by British politicians alone, is now facing yet another stark sanity check, the prospect of war between Russia and Ukraine.

Whatever one thinks of the rights and wrongs of it, if it does happen there will be global implications, and if it doesn’t happen, there still will be global implications.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago

On the Web, 20 years ago, … pronouncements of Global Warming “science” were mainly coming from two sources: the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia and the (US) National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado. The CRU and NCAR were linked by the presence of Tom Wigley, who’d taken over at CRU after the 1978 retirement of truly-gifted climatologist Hubert Lamb, and who’d moved to NCAR-Boulder in 1993.

Today, no one seems wiling or able to go back and trace the history of where all this came from. The hockey-stick graph’s been trashed, but people still seem fixated on arguing “science”, even when the entire climate thing was obviously revolutionary politics in the first place.

If one traces the networks, one will find linkages between GW/CC and Zero Population Growth, the Cloward/Piven strategy, Marcuse’s impact on the “Manifestos” of the early 70’s, JournoList, and things like the Weather Underground and the Open Society Institute.

But we don’t want to get into History, do we? … Naw, that’s old stuff, and it requires effort to learn.

George Santayana’s aphorism about not knowing history will wind up biting you, big time.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

11-28-2009: “The Times of London is reporting in its Sunday edition that the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia has destroyed the original data used to construct the historical climate record that purports to show a temperature increase.”
— and —
“The CRU is the world’s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible.”

(This blog article’s link to the Times article no longer works, but one might be able to find it, or find other reports on this event. It made rather large waves at the time, stomping the CRU’s face into the dirt. It basically ended the mentioning of the CRU in the everyday press.)

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

PIMF — here’s the link to that blog article
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2009/11/no-science-is-possible-cru-has.html

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pre-Boomer Marine brat
pre-Boomer Marine brat
3 years ago
Reply to  pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) got its data from the CRU.

Whatever the IPCC said about Climate Change was based on the CRU’s deliberately-corrupted end-data (and then, the CRU got rid of the evidence.)

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bresbo
bresbo
3 years ago

As Covid fear exits, climate fear grows. They’ve got us. I’m in awe of how the words ‘carbon’ and ‘carbon dioxide’ have taken on social and moral (well at least virtue signalling) meanings. Carbon was once the Philosopher’s Stone. The whole plant world, the basis of our life on earth, is predicated on it. Now it is the evil that humans spew out to kill polar bears. We’re truly not very far from treating the invisible enemy carbon dioxide like the invisible enemy SARS-COV-2. “But Daddy”, said the child “don’t we make carbon dioxide when we breathe?”. Hmm… Maybe after “useless eaters” and “disease spreaders” have run their course, along will come “useless breathers”. I’m praying for sanity.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  bresbo

An online poll run by the UN, based on 16 priorities people view as important in life; like education, employment and health provision, including climate change, down to internet access found climate change coming last, behind internet access.

There were over 10m responses, and the poll was taken down.

Don’t fool yourself. The loony West is engulfed in MSM nonsense about it whilst the rest of the world is far more pragmatic.

The greens have reached ‘peak’ hysteria and people are beginning to understand that green policies are expensive beyond comprehension. The conversion to climate sceptic has nothing to do with science, it has all to do with wallets.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

When they realise that their “green” expense funds lavish establishment lifestyles they’ll be even more angry!

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bresbo
bresbo
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I understand where you’re coming from, but the die is already cast. The anti-carbon pandemic has been launched, and we must follow the ‘measures’ that our masters dictate. Were you consulted on whether to ban the internal combustion engine, or chuck out your gas boiler or log stove? With COVID their goal was to make us totally dependent on the vaccination pass, it may even still be the goal, I don’t know. With the carbon pandemic, I think the goal is to make us all totally dependent on electricity. And unlike the virus pandemic which everyone knows can only last a maximum of 3 years, and is now expiring, the carbon pandemic, like the “war on terror”, can run virtually forever.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

Kristen Nagle shames CBC workers in the streets of Ottawa. CBC people have no heart. This is a must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYMDi3HrrDg&ab_channel=MarcelIrnie

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

Boris is so gullible he probably takes advice from an autistic Swedish high school dropout.

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kate
kate
3 years ago

https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/was-peter-daszak-working-for-the
Was Peter Daszak Working For The Central Intelligence Agency?An EcoHealth Alliance whistleblower steps forward
EcoHealth Alliance received the majority of its funding from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), a State Department subsidiary that serves as a frequent cover for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Their second largest source of funding was from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), which is a branch of the Department of Defense (DOD) which states it is tasked to “counter and deter weapons of mass destruction and improvised threat networks.”
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) has a long history of acting as a contract vehicle for various CIA covert activities. 

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

“The event was organised by the Government’s Chief Scientific Officer Sir Patrick Vallance and presented, using 11 slides…”

Good to know that Johnson now has an in-depth knowledge of the subject…

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godders
godders
3 years ago

The author of this piece is being naive if he truly believes the self-serving British Prime Minister is (again!) the victim of bad advice from “experts”.
The man has shown himself more than willing to join the “Build Back Better” chorus of suborned political puppets prepared to dance to the tune of Klaus Schwab And The Great Resetters.
It appears Johnson now has a leading role in the strateegic pivot from the dying shamdemic to a revamped climate change horror story as the driving force for the globalist agenda.
Hopefully, the British are less “green” than their leader and will see through this obvious ploy.

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godders
godders
3 years ago

I really can’t understand what everybody is worried about. Long before any climate armageddon is likely to strike, we will all be digital avatars living in the Metaverse rather than on terra firma.
Unless. . . unless. . .

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TheEngineer
TheEngineer
3 years ago

Time to trash the whole global warming scam; the greatest con I have ever experienced. Consider the UN and WEF plans which Boris is a fan of; they provide the reasons behind it and the push for vaccines not related to Covid.

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago

Good morning! It might have been more efficient to put Monbiot’s name at the top of the pile, to save time.

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

Climate emergency? What climate emergency? If only the authorities would deal in “the (actual) science” when it comes to issues which could affect us all, like pandemics and net zero goals, for example. Having Patrick Vallance spearheading both causes should be an instant red light! Evidence, real, actual empirical evidence must be the framework for any policies going forward. Certainly not modelling, which has been proven time and time again to be skewed, biased, or complete b*llox ( are you reading this, Neil Ferguson?). The “road to Damascus”, or being led up the garden path, in Johnson’s case, is based on the crazy notion that CO2 is the villain of the piece. When a theory is based on a plain wrong assumption, is it any wonder that disaster will be waiting at the end of that road? How we convince our “great leaders” that they are being sold a pup I don’t know. Perhaps they are all in on it, anyway. Maybe the Great Reset is under way and Bozo, Fudeau, Brandon, etc. are already reaping the rewards? Let us hope they get their just desserts instead!

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bowlsman
bowlsman
3 years ago

Surprise surprise, chief doomsayer and “scientific” liar in residence, Chris Whitty led the meeting.
What a shock!

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

Great cartoon. Might have to “borrow” it.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago

For a more balanced comment on the slides (and a few comments on Morrison’s previous article) see Mallen Baker’s excellent video

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allanplaskett
allanplaskett
3 years ago
Reply to  MTF

At the 5-minute point, Mallen talks about Vallance’s Slide 6 – restrictions on future human CO2 emissions needed to keep global warming to under 1.5 degrees C. I’ve tried to tackle Mallen before about the error of assuming the validity of the key point of contention.
The mistake he makes is the same as the IPCC computer modelers make, that of assuming that a certain increase in the concentration of atmospheric CO2 produces a certain average global temperature increase. In Slide 6, Vallance effectively tells Johnson that a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere causes a 3 degrees C increase in average temperature.
But Vallance’s ‘agreed’ science is not agreed. Nothing in the published science supports his 3 C figure.
Recent (2020) clear-sky calculations by Wyngarden and Happer find a CES (Climate Equilibrium Sensitivity, ie global warming per doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere) of 1.5C to 2.5C.
Coe et al (2021) produced an all-skies (clouds included) estimate of 0.25 C.

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MTF
MTF
3 years ago
Reply to  allanplaskett

Thanks for an interesting comment. I don’t think it is fair to accuse Vallance of assuming 3C. The chart show a wide range of temperature ranges and we don’t know what Vallance actually said about it.

Also it is a bit unfair to accuse the IPCC modelers of just assuming a CES (or TCR). The IPCC has a best estimate of 3C but explicitly recognises there is a wide range of possible values with a likely range of 2-5 C (so the Wyngaden and Happer estimate overlaps this range) and this is based on multiple lines of evidence (see IPPC V6 WG1 Tech Summary page 57). This Carbon Brief article shows the many, many estimates that have been done over the last 20 years. It only goes up to 2018 so it doesn’t include the two papers you refer to but it does put them in context.

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allanplaskett
allanplaskett
3 years ago

When do we make the big pitch to the Chinese and the Indians, both of whom are pressing ahead now with plans to build hundreds more coal-fired power stations, and both of whom put out more CO2 each year than our entire output. ‘Look, you two. We’re doing it. We’re self-immiserating, reverting to medieval technology, pre-industrial living standards. We’ve set the example. And you can do it too.’

This, setting the example, I mean, has to be the point, right? Cutting our own miserable little bit of CO2 will make damn all difference to the atmosphere. It’s about showing the way, then persuading the big dirty two to follow.

But won’t they just ask for a bit more from us first: ‘You’re over-populated you know. There were 5 million in the UK in the 16th century. Ok, you’ve impoverished yourselves, medievalised, and that’s good – up to a point. But, if you’re serious about tackling climate change, you really need to get rid of yourselves, don’t you?’

Last edited 3 years ago by allanplaskett
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annicx
annicx
3 years ago

This is all well and good, nice to be able to ridicule the climate nutters and all that, but the school kids round here are absolutely terrified of a harmless gas – they think it’s a pollutant- and nothing you say has any effect. Until they actually suffer the consequences of their paranoia, ( not being able to charge their smart phones or watch Netflix/ Tube would wake them up a little!), we’re stuffed.

Last edited 3 years ago by annicx
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