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The Dangers of Banning ‘Islamophobia’

by Toby Young
4 March 2024 7:00 PM

The Free Speech Union has published an essay by Tim Dieppe, Head of Public Policy at Christian Concern, about why we should hesitate before trying to prohibit ‘Islamophobia’, particularly as defined by the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims, a definition that has been adopted by the Labour Party, as well as one in seven local authorities in England. Spiked has published a summary by Tim of his argument.

The APPG definition is as follows: ‘Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness.’

The problem with such a broad definition is that it can be invoked to shut down legitimate criticism of Islam as a religion, not just unacceptable prejudice towards Muslim people. Indeed, the authors of the APPG report dismissed the ‘the supposed right to criticise Islam’ as ‘nothing more than another subtle form of anti-Muslim racism’. In this way, a well-meaning effort to protect Muslim people from abuse ends stifling debate about almost anything connected to Islam. Teaching about the spread of Islam historically through war and conquest, criticisms of Islamic practices around women’s rights – particularly those made by ex-Muslims – and press coverage of Islamist terror attacks all have the potential to be labelled ‘Islamophobic’, according to the APPG’s definition. No other religion is granted this degree of protection in the UK.

The definition of ‘Islamophobia’ in the APPG’s report is so broad that, among other things, it means anyone disputing Hamas’s description of Israel’s military operation in Gaza as a ‘genocide’ is guilty of hate speech. Indeed, anyone who questions a group of Muslims, or a Muslim-majority state, when they claim to be experiencing ‘genocide’ is designated as an Islamophobe. As GB News reporter Tom Harwood recently pointed out, this would make Keir Starmer, who doesn’t accept that what’s happening in Gaza is a ‘genocide’, an Islamophobe. Anneliese Dodds, Labour’s shadow equalities minister, recently tried to publicly shame the Conservative Party for not subscribing to the APPG’s definition. She was seemingly unaware that, as a member of Labour’s front bench, her adoption of Labour’s official line on Gaza would make her an Islamophobe as well.

Worth reading in full.

Richard Dawkins has written the Foreword to Tim’s essay and Spiked has published an edited version of that too. You can read that here.

You can read the full version of Tim’s essay and Richard‘s Foreword on the Free Speech Union’s website.

Tags: All Party Parliamentary Group on British MuslimsAnneliese DoddsIslamophobiaKemi BadenochRichard DawkinsTim Dieppe

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

What part of, these vaccines DO NOT prevent infection, does this government not understand?

Last edited 3 years ago by Anti_socialist
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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

They must understand – so there must be another reason – and I doubt its for the benefit of our health…

I’m half way through this, its very heavy going…

Dr Richard Fleming, PhD, MD, JD. Cardiologist, Nuclear Cardiologist, Certified in Positron Emission Tomography (PET), Juris Prudence Doctor of Law, Researcher, Inventor, Author: Excellent highly informative detailed technical information that all doctors should watch (this might get taken down so might be worth watching early) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GzzBD1kJ0g . There have been attempts to smear Dr Fleming by suing him for fraud. For further details and his side of the story please go to his website

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Of course they understand, they also know that the asymptomatic jabbed, perhaps including myself, will be scary ‘superspreaders’ leading to yet more ‘cases’, real or otherwise, and so “with heavy heart” the reintroduction of Lockdown the release from which we will accept almost any further repression if it just saves Xmas, or perhaps Easter.

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Savage Jabid is just another BUILD BACK BETTER towing the corporate WEF line stooge. This push for non-immunising and natural immunity crushing transfection products is… and continues to be relentless.

This winter’s threatened lockdown and the consequential Vaxx passport roll out will be squarely blamed unfairly and unscientifically upon the “anti-vaxxers” shoulders…

https://twitter.com/TinaGeeeez1984/status/1431058019689893888?s=20

We are running fast out of complacency time. We need Trieste style protesters bused into Glasgow for this looming COP26 farce. These globalists are sick, lack total compassion for the 99% and the tripe their pet vegan feeds to our young is deliberately mentally destabilizing.

FCcQ1OBWEAMWxji.jpg
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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

As you will no doubt recall they did absolutely everything they could to prevent natural herd immunity last year from isolating people at home to banning face to face education at universities and keeping schools closed for as long as possible while, at the same time, allowing enough mingling by ‘key workers’ and, later, down the pub to ensure cases kept rising.

We can expect another bout of serious illnesses, of all types, now that people who have been shielding have had that status rescinded with their natural immune system shot to hell because of 18 months isolation from the rest of humanity and the big wide lurgey litted world.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The serious illnesses will be in the jabbed, which is why they are so desperate to get as many stabbed before the general populace starts to notice that the unjabbed ‘control group’ aren’t suffering similarly.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

My instinct is that catastrophising will not capture the real world impact of this shit-show. It will be much more gradual, and as much psychological as physical. Remember – the point is that mortality has been pretty ordinary – despite the prominent spikes.

But, yes – the shrinking of general immunity cannot do other than impact on general health.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

That really is a face that you just want smack IMO.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

”the ultimate bioweapon isn’t a virus, or anthrax, or tuberculosis, or the bubonic plague, all of which have treatments – the ultimate bioweapon is a Prion”

Whilst the vaccines don’t protect you much from the engineered virus or its mutations – it does deliver Prions in every dose that attack your major organs over time, gradually killing you – ie. Genocide

hope he’s wrong…

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

You’ve got the statutory down votes from 77th Brigade and so Fleming will be worth listening to, even if heavy going.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

It’s around 90 mins but explains an awful lot. Nuremberg 2 shouldn’t be a pipe dream it should be a reality. Those bastards that are driving this plandemic agenda deserve everything they might get. Heard of two suicides today, both related to the impact of government policies on Covid and both from the same family. Tragic doesn’t even come close to describe the circumstances of the family members left behind.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
3 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Or non-YouTube: https://odysee.com/@QuantumRhinoQ:c/BASES2021-SARS-CoVd2-Gain-of-Function-Research-Violations-of-Law:8

We should really ditch YouTube.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I thought we had already come to the conclusion that ‘Covid’ is nothing to do with a virus but all about control of people and making money out of it?
‘Honest Faisal’ now selling LFT kits for £150 each, that he picked up at Boots the Chemist for free.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

They understand perfectly, that’s the problem.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Very evidently he has not cleared this statement with BJ Prat.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago

Someone, somewhere, somehow, needs to get Sajid Javid and his ilk in court for crimes against humanity. Otherwise this is going to get nasty soon.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Have you not noticed? The “Law” is on the enemy’s side. There is no justice; the Law is defunct. Replaced by rules and mandates.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
3 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Yes, I have noticed. That’s why it has to be via a Common Law court.

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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
3 years ago

This is well worth a listen. RFK Jr is a hero.

RFK Jr speaks to the Ron Paul Institute about totalitarianism and CIA operations including MK Ultra.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/cia-and-totalitarianism-speech-to-ron-paul-institute/id1552000243?i=1000539443136

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

Introduce legislation that is in contravention of the Nuremberg Codes, not to mention Human Rights. That will be interesting when it gets to Court.
In the meanwhile it will reinforce the staff shortages that are supposed to be part of the problem but those staff forced to leave will be able to get the legal ball rolling by claiming Constructive Dismissal.

Pass the popcorn as they say.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The Nuremberg Code in itself has no legal force.

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Constructive dismissal in English employment law refers to the employee being put in such a situation by the actions of their employer that they have no other choice but to resign with immediate effect. The ‘no other choice’ bit in practice is quite difficult to prove. And if you’ve less than two years service you would only be able to claim it in very limited circumstances. I’d advise anyone in this situation not to resign (unless you’ve got something better lined up anyway!) but to leave the decision to your employer to make. Find someone who can give you some individual advice too.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

Good advice – don’t resign and keep asking awkward questions.

My major concern is that the unions – essential partners in this – are absolutely f.ing useless on the Covid front – scared into compliance with the Narrative.

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Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I sadly have to agree, Rick. I was a union man (and workplace rep) for four decades and I cry inside when I see how useless the aged care and heath care unions have been re mandatory jabs just to keep their jobs in the sector.

The unions have fallen for the ‘we must do everything possible, even at the expense of long-held principle and labour movement tradition, to save the working class from dying from the awful rona’.

Abandoned by their unions, there are some class action lawsuits in the pipeline for the affected workers but which silks will want to be seen to defy the narrative? On current form over all the failed lawsuits against lockdowns, precisely none!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

I didn’t say resign, I said forced to leave meaning sacked for not doing a job that has fundamentally changed terms of contract. Could be the job location moves to Iceland, but in this case it is the novel requirement to take experimental drugs.
Perhaps I should have said ‘unfair dismissal’.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
3 years ago

Message to Jabb-it – there is soon to be a gallows with your name on it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I’d rather he got life in a small cell shared with Ferguson, Whitty, Van Tam and the rest of the gang who, incidentally, seem to have their heads below the parapet these days.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No wonder; they evidently do not want to address the contradictory prior statements about SARS COV2/CV19/public health strategy they have made with later – 180 degree opposite – versions which they then have used to back up decisions that have no validity scientifically but are 100% politically motivated.

If I was Vallence, I would be a tad concerned at the continual reference to my involvement with GoF research/Fauci emails. If I was Whitty, I would be a tad concerned that my statements about mask efficacy are rightly and self evidently seen as contradictory, which might put other statements in a wholly different light – i.e just as meaningless, as well as my use of very dubious data in Number 10 briefings subsequently shown to be “insincere according to truth”.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

‘War room’? Who is he at war with?

Ooooppps! forgot he’s at war with us

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Lilacblue
Lilacblue
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Pathetic isn’t it, have to laugh at the pomposity.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lilacblue

Delusions of grandeur!

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

A bit too close to home and too near the bone!

Javid is very much at war with the good people of this country

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Suzyv
Suzyv
3 years ago

It is well established that these injections do not prevent infection nor transmission of anything. I thought there had also been studies to show that there was no difference in viral load- jabbed v unjabbed. And of course there was the study of the Vietnamese Health Workers in the Lancet which concluded that the viral load in the double jabbed workers had increased by 251% compared to the previous year when no jab. One last thing, there has also been a study in Finland- due to all of the above points- infected yet double jabbed care home staff had passed the virus onto double jabbed elderly frail residents and as you would expect a number of them died. So all in all (and there is plenty more one could say) there is absolutely no logic to anyone being required to have one of these injections in order to protect another because they don’t appear to do that.

Personally i would now prefer staff who are not injected to treat me. Injected staff may well be carrying and passing this illness on and for good measure they will also be transmitting their spike proteins from the injection. So they are actually a danger to patients now. It is quite clear what the intentions are here, whether it is to dismantle the NHS and or to kill off a few more people including medics (all dispensable with this agenda), this list is pretty long too. If I were NHS staff and didn’t want the jab I would refuse to leave and threaten constructive unfair dismissal and also breach of contract. I would then spill the beans very publicly as to what has been really going on for the last 19mths and just how many and what adverse reactions they are seeing because it’s a hell of a lot.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

After spending an unexpected overnight stay in Hospital recently, during but not directly related to my ongoing chemo treatment, a further nights stay was being discussed when the Dr. In Charge said
“You will be safer at home, hospitals are quite dangerous in terms of catching disease . . .”
He might gave said ‘at the moment’ or somesuch but I can’t remember.

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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

When this started, I started watching Dr Bodo Schiffmann on German YT. He is an ENT doctor with a private practice, and in his lunch break made videos about the daily statistics, showing how absurd it all is.
Overall deaths in hospital were declining in Germany, and he put it down to less operations, less infection due to those and less hospital acquired infection on non-surgical wards.
Hospital acquired infections are common.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

What a revelation, a medic being truthfully candid; he or she must be in fear of being referred to the GMC, if the experience of dissenting medics about the untruthful SARS COV2/CV19 mantra is anything to go by.
I wish you well with your treatment.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Bill was in town last week and told them to up their game

Jabid has his eye on the top job

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

I really do wonder what will happen if we actually face a real threat.

I suspect if people were at risk the football would have at least stopped…

On the bright side, if people were dropping down dead in the street the cabinet would be in a bunker and we’d be left alone.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Will ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’ trump ‘the Boy Who Cried Wolf’ or vice versa?

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mwhite
mwhite
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

COVID Live Update: 244,250,453 Cases and 4,961,925 Deaths from the Coronavirus – Worldometer (worldometers.info)

According to the Worldometer website global deaths are around 5million. With a global population approaching 8 billion that’s a death rate of 0.06%

The global population cracked 2 billion in the mid 1920s, Spanish flu reportedly killed 50million people around 2.5% of the then population.

2.5% of 8billion, that’s 200million.(That’s a pandemic).

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

People are nearly dying at football matches, three yesterday.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  lutherkehrt@gmail.com

Really? I know a spectator collapsed at a Newcastle match last week – I don’t know if he recovered.

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Trabant
Trabant
3 years ago

Savage Jabby is a fucktard.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

However, a very successful one – he’s loaded, and looks forward to a comfy well-paid ‘job’ once he leaves Parliament, with a handsome pension and perks.
Perhaps sitting on the board of Pfizer?

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ellie-em
ellie-em
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Hopefully, he’ll be twiddling his thumbs in a prison cell…

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

The most recent UKHSA vaccine surveillance report (table 4, p15).
86% of deaths “with covid” in the 80+ age group were double jabbed.
Across all ages, 77% were double jabbed.

Double jabbed infection rates more than twice the un-jabbed, meaning Immunity levels have ‘waned’ to below normal/natural levels – the jabs have compromised your immune system.
A few more doses of this poison and what’s left of your natural immune system will be completely destroyed.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Dr Mike Yeadon said this months ago.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
3 years ago

How long until no vaccination = no patient access to NHS ?

Can’t be too far away. The same nonsense argument can be employed.

Could be a real shit show for care homes after 11th November.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

I’d be content with this, certainly for covid.

Well, I’d be content with this only if they’d supply all of the pesky unjabbed with ivermectin & doxycycline to take if they got any symptoms.

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zners
zners
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Is there a way to get ivermectin?

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  zners

Indiamart

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Niborxof
Niborxof
3 years ago
Reply to  zners

info@thenaturaldoctor.org
Email these folk, they are doing a trial.
Follow steps.
NB they are just a trial and have no affiliation to ourside of the argument. That said i have ivermectin
Email sayong you want to join trial

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

That was my reason for getting double jabbed before the start of months of day patient hospital treatment though I was thinking of access to taxis or other transport providers being restricted to the jabbed.
I chose to get it out of the way rather than be compelled to do so while suffering possible side effects such as nausea, extreme fatigue and confusion. (As it happens few of those side effects occured apart from not having to shave which I regard as a bonus).

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

It seems certain this will be likely. I am planning on staying well and keeping away from the NHS. The messages to protect the NHS will result in more people not seeking treatment. It’s looking very likely to me that we will be considering setting up parallel societies as the Amish do.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  wendy

“considering setting up parallel societies as the Amish do.”

Any particular place in mind?

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

If we get a serious Carrington like event with a big EMF pulse during the current (no pun intended) sunspot cycle then that will be everywhere on the Sun facing side of the planet.
[Interestingly we have now learned that there will be no warning of this like we might expect if it was a coronal mass ejection as the gamma ray ‘burst’ will travel at the same speed as the visible signs of its approach. NB Tinfoil hats won’t save us ;)]

Personally I think I might get a book on ‘How to Milk a Cow’ as there will be great demand for dairymaids when electricity is no longer available.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Right here. Start now. Support local business. Or set one up.

I’m not going anywhere.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

‘no patient access to NHS’ is already up and running

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

No it’s not. Wild exaggeration doesn’t help. I’ll let you know when it happens.

Last edited 3 years ago by RickH
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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

I keep having to pinch myself to make sure i’m not in a 1960s episode of the twilight zone,
The Tories are terrorists spreading vaccine misinformation on a daily basis, there’s toe sucking Mellor claiming the NHS is over burdened by 4 out of 10 unvaccinated covid patients (do the maths 😉 ), & rabid Jabid wanting to mandate protecting the vaccinated from the unvaccinated! Our MP’s have the combined IQ of a brussel sprout, or is the country’s populace really so stupid, they buy this horse dung?

WTF happened to the education system in this country?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Spending a lot of idle time on YouTube and Amazon there are a phenomenal amount of Contagion/Zombie apocalypse/saved by vaccines movies out there.
I subscribe to about a dozen YouTube sites that provide 10-15 minute precises (sp?) of all kinds of films but, of course, both Amazon and YouTube algorithms guide you to more of the same simply by looking at them without buying.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Smack Talk with Professor Tosspot has some entertaining videos. Here’s one I endorse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzpx9VX9hoI

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porgycorgy
porgycorgy
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

précis

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  porgycorgy

Thank you, I don’t think this Android does ‘e’ with inflection.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

“the country’s populace really so stupid, they buy this horse dung?”

Love Island, Big Brother, infatuation with The Kardashians and My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding on the telly. Says it all, really. Oh, and getting yourself tattooed all over to be ‘different’, just like everyone else!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

No idea what any of that stuff is. But my pet hates are, high viz clothing, liberals & tattoos, not necessarily in that order, don’t think any of that is a hate crime yet.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Hating popular culture is a Hate crime.

Alex Belfied got into hot water yesterday for posting a video taking the piss out of a TV show about people watching TV (?!?)
So much so that even on an early Sunday morning his lawyers told him to post a video apology, which he did.

Alex Belfied YouTube; 300 million hits in 12 months using a phone in his kitchen. Little wonder the MSM hate him.

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neilhartley
neilhartley
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

It’s been deliberately destroyed to enable this kind of situation to prevail.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

Makes sense — there’s no way that they’ll get more to take it once the impact of vaccination becomes clear this winter.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

It’s clear now that this is part of the on-going political strategy to carve up and destroy the NHS, since it is contrary to all sense in a time of chronic staff shortages.

There is no other explanation, and anyone who thinks that it is a useful Trotskyite way of starting to reform it is as bonkers as Baldy Bonce.

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Rocky Road
Rocky Road
3 years ago

People with prior infection (which covers many health workers) have a several times higher rate of adverse reactions for negligible benefit. If governments were concerned about health, they would be looking at immunity not vaccination. The anti-scientific denial of natural immunity, and worse, the grotesqueness of inflicting needless harm on people who have already been through covid, betrays the lie loud and clear.

Please share these studies about worse reactions in covid-recovered as this info is not widely known, and the fact that mandates discriminate against the covid-recovered may assist in legal battles.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00224-3/fulltexthttps://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2782821
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-96129-6https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1729/11/3/249
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8008743/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8164507/https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.03.22.436441

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago

“… to be fully vaccinated against covid”

What exactly do they mean by this? It’s now a 3 course injection round. And there are some saying that will be it but Pfizer themselves say it’s likely to be annually. I am certain the more they push, shove and coerce more people will say no.

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Hopefully.

If only more people would read this blog and conservativewomen.com (and maybe trialsitenews.com – pity it costs though) then spread the data based research, it will spell the end of this self-destructive nonsense.

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AllieT
AllieT
3 years ago

I work in NHS primary care had 2 AZ jabs earlier in the year and have just refused to have the booster (we were ‘offered’ it at work) The original proposal was for ‘frontline staff’ are they now suggesting everyone including the cleaners??? Totalitarian window dressing imo

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Love this.

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A Sceptic
A Sceptic
3 years ago

Well, the care home and home care systems are on the verge of collapse so it makes sense to move on to the NHS next I suppose!
I think what annoyed Javid and led to this is care home nurses moving back into the NHS to avoid mandatory vaccination.

Ah well, more former health workers heading out to private sector jobs as amazon, supermarket and other workers soon!

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SJR
SJR
3 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

It’s a great way to cause staffing issues and thus increase NHS ‘pressure’ and therefore justifying plan ‘B’.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

Coming to a supermarket in the UK soon:

(From ABC News, in Oz)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-21/woolworths-coles-aldi-to-roll-out-vaccine-mandates-for-staff/100556872

Woolworths, Coles, Aldi to mandate COVID-19 vaccinations for staff

We can do our bit by encouraging the boycott of Aldi.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

That’s nothing, Tesco aren’t even letting the unvaccinated use their website!

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

I believed you for a minute there.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

LOL

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

I already do owing to their over-zealous insistence on mask-wearing for the exempt.

Bastards.

Use Lidl instead, if you’re shopping on a budget.

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Mr Dee
Mr Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

I didn’t know that. Aldi round these parts have been very lax – never been waylaid once about my bare-faced insolence.

I know it’s going to cost a bit more, but the local greengrocer and butcher (yes we still have them here!) look increasingly tempting. I’ve already started supporting our local dairy (going all retro with milk bottles delivered to our door each morning. Feels like 1986 again).

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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Opposite for me…Aldi have never questioned my bare face, whereas local butcher asked me to wait outside to be served!! Ob’s…I don’t go there anymore. My usual hairdresser still demands masks as well…for all our safety…ahh! Hence me rocking a bit of a Wurzel Gummidge look at the moment, and looking for a new hairdresser…I have a long memory I will Never be going back!

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ellie-em
ellie-em
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

Aldi can shove their ‘special buys’ up their a***.

I’ll shop ‘in the middle of Lidl’ instead.

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Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Dee

All the big corporates are getting on board the No Jab No Job bus downunder. The big telcos, mining companies, airlines, supermarkets, aged care, child care, health care, professional sports associations, on and on it goes. All designed to give the appearance of keeping staff and customers ‘safe’ – and protecting the whole misbegotten adventure of ‘deadly virus needing extreme measures of lockdowns/masks/vaccines’ to keep the politicians’ reputations and electoral prospects safe.

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FrankFisher
FrankFisher
3 years ago

I suppose it’s too much to ask our shitty colluding media to ask WHY vaccinations are required, given that they do not prevent infections and may even worsen infection rates?

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ebygum
ebygum
3 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

Now wouldn’t that be nice Frank…someone actually asking a pertinent question?
I don’t think there is such a thing as journalists any more. They’re all just media wannabe’s looking to be on TV.

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brachiopod
brachiopod
3 years ago

Javid was an ignorant c**t when removed as Chancellor and he hasn’t got any smarter before being appointed Health Secretary.

Perhaps he should watch what is happening across the pond?

The front line staff in the NHS are not as stupid as Javid, they know that the patients with Covid in their care are twice as likely to have been doubly gene-therapied than not, and that having already been infected during 2020 puts staff having the jab at greater risk of ADE and gives no extra protection.

In the USA maternity units are closing because of this stupid approach, but he will probably expect women to cross their legs until his crazy policy works.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

As not a single person has been vaccinated to date Jabids plan is a bit of a tall order

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago

Johnson said on Friday that double vaccination:

“…doesn’t protect you against catching the disease and doesn’t protect you from passing it on”

He was trying to persuade people to have the third dose but as Neil Oliver points out there is no scientific reason why this would make any difference. In point of fact the vaccines were never expected to protect against infection as the editor of the BMJ let on in August 2020:

“So instead we are heading for vaccines that reduce severity of illness rather than protect against infection, provide only short lived immunity, and will at best have been trialled by the manufacturer against placebo. As well as damaging public confidence and wasting global resources by distributing a poorly effective vaccine, this could change what we understand a vaccine to be. Instead of long term, effective disease prevention it could become a suboptimal chronic treatment. This would be good for business but bad for global public health.”

This is a criminal heist.

Last edited 3 years ago by PhantomOfLiberty
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Lilacblue
Lilacblue
3 years ago

So I’m ****ed then. No chance of another job at 63, no pension till 66. What happens to these people given a little power?

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  Lilacblue

You could try going off with stress and eventual retirement on ill health grounds.

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago

The Health Secretary has set up a war room? We are indeed at war. The real battle is a spiritual one.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  Susan

And the war is against ordinary people.

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jingleballix
jingleballix
3 years ago

S.45D of the Public Health Act 1984 expressly forbids the government from introducing mandatory jabs.

This is PRIMARY legislation.

Our Health Secretary has already mandated jabs for care home workers, and now NHS workers…….but has done this by SECONDARY legislation i.e. ministerial decree.

Secondary legislation cannot override primary……..so what is going on?

Mandatory jabs needs to be debated properly – this is why the Coronavirus Act should go.

MPs need to do their jobs.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

On the positive side it makes prosecuting them for crimes against humanity so much easier

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Do stop fantasizing. This is not 1945, and the whole of Europe is ‘under occupation’. There will be no Nuremberg Trials, and no ‘crimes against humanity’ charges.

The best hope is nitty-gritty challenges under existing legislation.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

I see where your confusion is there. You’re still thinking we live in a democracy, aren’t ya? Rule of law & all that stuff!

Oh the nostalgia, anyone remember “two weeks to flatten the curve” the good old days.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

I was under the impression that

The common law (right to bodily autonomy)
and the Human Rights Act 1998

also protected us against this tyranny.

Trying to force it on people counts as coercion which I think is a civil offence if it’s mild, a crime if it gets more severe.

Never before have we needed expert lawyers so much. I apologise for laughing at so many lawyer jokes over the years …

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Have a look at the mechanisms that have been created to make the mandatory jab thing happen. It’s actually the care homes that are required to police the policy and via changes to CQC inspection procedures care homes can be closed if they don’t do enough to ensure their workforce is jabbed and adequate records of this kept. Therefore the care home is essentially required to balance the ongoing employment of a small number of individuals and the risks associated with dismissing them against making XX elderly and vulnerable people homeless. It is absolutely diabolical and totally spineless, no doubt designed to ensure the care homes shoulder the liability instead of the govt (or any individual member thereof). Also circumvents the HRA and other legislation that prevents mandatory jabbing.

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

I agree with your interpretation, jingleballix. Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 says Sec of State cannot make provisions requiring someone to undergo medical treatment including vaccines and prophylaxes. The Sec of State has made provisions requiring persons to undergo medical treatment in order to enter certain premises (care homes. It is a provision, it was made by the Sec of State, it involves requiring and it involves medical treatment. Ergo it is unlawful.

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
3 years ago
Reply to  prod_squadron

Just because the Regs are worded in the negative “secure that someone doesn’t enter the premises unless (they are vaccinated),” doesn’t meant that it’s not the exact same thing as “requiring that someone be vaccinated in order to enter the premises”. It’s just weasel negative wording but the net effect is the same.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

A two-pronged attack. Jeopardising the lives of those who get jabbed while creating mass staff shortages from those who refuse and therefore jeopardising the lives of the general public.

As predicted, they’re setting up a winter of absolute chaos, misery and death. Yet you’ll still hear/read people saying the whole thing is a cock-up.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Yes – Libertarian Boris should have held his nerve against SAGE bedwetters etc etc etc 🙄

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

‘Boris’??? You mean that twat Johnson?

He’s never found any principles or nerve to stick to.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  crisisgarden

‘Libertarian’ Bozo : there you are, fixed!

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

They wouldnt have time to get it in before winter. They’ll need lead in of at least 4-6 months to cover consultation prior to dismissal and notice periods. If the NHS sank during flu season (Jan-Mar), the govt would be in serious trouble. There’s also the ‘temporary legislation’ timescale to consider re Coronavirus Act ie expires just after Easter 2022. If there’s an impending NHS staffing crisis at that point, it’s guaranteed they’ll be able to force another extension.

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zners
zners
3 years ago

Again I find it interesting that they’re attacking the already vaccinated. Actually in a positive way. Do many i know who are double jabbed will not come forward for another. Realise they’ve been duped

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Time to Think: The Basic Data says It All – Simplified and Clear! Ivor Cummins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3odjlEn8qXY

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
3 years ago

Just let me catch the fucking thing and die in peace. I’m sick near to death with all the bollocks.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Everything, absolutely everything the government is doing is driven by its plan to mandate digital ID passports.
Enough is enough.

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
3 years ago

“If it saves one life” was clearly just another sound bite. This plan will result in elderly dying, and by cutting nhs workers will guarantee that the nhs struggles this winter.

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thedarkhorse
thedarkhorse
3 years ago

Let the staff quit their jobs in protest, I actually don’t give a flying fart. Let the chaos commence. While I don’t wish to see people suffer as a result, I’m afraid this is a war and it’s affecting all of us, healthy and sick alike. Vaccination is a medical intervention, as we all know, and coercing people to have it is evil….doesn’t matter whether they’re health workers or not, it’s still evil. I’m glad to hear and read that vaxed people are finally starting to stir from their slumbers and realise this is a bloody great scam for control.

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mikec
mikec
3 years ago

Is the Daily Sceptic site turning into a shill site for the Tories? I have my concerns that it’s promoting this sh!t.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  mikec

What makes you say that? TY seems a bit deluded that the wankers mean well, but I don’t think he’s any happier than you or I about coerced vaccination.

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Jonny S.
Jonny S.
3 years ago

Anybody else notice how the other vaccines have been pushed aside by the Pfizer marketing machine. Pretty soon the word vaccine will be replaced by Pfizer, the words jab and shot will be replaced by Pfizer and eventually the letters NHS will be replaced by Pfizer

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonny S.

It’s already the National Pharma Service; stay away at all costs if you’re healthy.

The same acronym fits the new name.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

This has to be another nail in the coffin for anybody who still thinks there’s a shred of decency or honesty in the government’s covid plans, and anyone who thought Javid would be an improvement on Hancock. It’s just relentless, all-out, evil war now. I can’t see any way back or out for the Cabinet. The only way we’ll be saved is by some kind of revolt following a massive over-reach of the abuse of power that wakes people up, but that would have to be really extreme and sadly the cunts are not that stupid.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The way out for the Tories is, I think, a palace coup as Mr Toad reaches the end of his useful useless political life.

The danger is the old, old one – a new face and a minor retreat, leaving Vax Passes in place. That includes the scenario of Starmer and fellow sell-outs being the new face one step further on.

Watch the space.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Possible – perhaps even more so as he has “let the cat out of the bag” about “vaccine” ineffectiveness. I wonder what his thick wife thinks, rhetorical a tad, mind you since her foray into health advice for pregnant women to take the “safe vaccines”, she might just parrot his confessional….I live in hope.

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John
John
3 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddu_ZxDkddM employers requiring vaccination as a term of employment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMRmYe9DLU compulsory vaccination in general

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago

“However, it is understood that [Boris] Johnson does not want any new Covid restrictions until after COP26, the climate change summit that begins in Glasgow next weekend. “No one wants to spook the horses,” said a source. …”

I’ve been saying that this is why they’re holding off – good luck with trying to introduce restrictions after 30,000 have been allowed to have their restriction free jamboree in full sight of us all Johnson.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

Bipartisan legislators demand answers from Fauci on ‘cruel’ puppy experiments

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/medical-advances/578086-bipartisan-legislators-demand-answers-from-fauci

Screenshot 2021-10-24 at 16-31-22 Robert W Malone, MD ( RWMaloneMD) Twitter.png
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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

They spelt his name wrong, Dr Anthony Mengele Fauci!

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AllieT
AllieT
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Fauci needs to have his head locked in there instead wicked evil man!!

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

Pfizer’s Power

https://www.citizen.org/article/pfizers-power/#_ftn14

Screenshot 2021-10-24 at 16-34-12 Robert W Malone, MD ( RWMaloneMD) Twitter.png
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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

The heroes of yesterday become the pariahs of today… D’you know, I never banged pots for the NHS last year, but I would bang some pots in support the the NHS staff that refuse vaccinations.

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fiery
fiery
3 years ago

I work in social care and have had to change jobs recently as the project I was employed in was registered as a care home with the CQC. I’m unvaccinated and will never accept this toxic poison even if I’m forced to give up my job.
Throughout this charade I’ve never worn a face nappy or used hand sanitizer. I got Covid symptoms in the summer when I was camping in a remote area. Didn’t have a test as it would have bee. two much of a faff to organise and had no mobile signal anyway. Felt fully recovered in less than a week. A recent antibody test has confirmed I’ve had covid at some point and now have antibodies so how exactly is a vaccine going to help. As I’m in the 60+ age group I’m also classed as vulnerable by our government and the even more irritating NHS despite sailing through Covid without even needing medical treatment or being left with residual symptoms. I’m absolutely sure the jab would cause a multitude of problems though.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago
Reply to  fiery

Well done, a rational & logical appraisal of your situation, free from mental coercion into thinking govt approved thoughts.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
3 years ago

Forgive me for asking Minister but why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected in the first place?

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

What kind of moron would waste their valuable time down voting every single comment!

I can only assume this entity is vaccinated, so you’d be wise to spend the limited time you have left on this planet more wisely.

Last edited 3 years ago by Anti_socialist
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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

The type of moron who gives morons a bad name?

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

“Sajid Javid Wants to Introduce Legislation to Force All NHS Staff to Get Vaccinated against Covid “As Soon as Possible”
Of course he does, he needs to make sure that the NHS can’t cope and he deepens the manufactured crisis. No doubt hoping Xi Jinping will let him live and give him a nice job – he won’t.

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Puddleglum
Puddleglum
3 years ago

Has Savage Jabber got around to finding out why the nurses are reluctant?

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

Javid should listen to his Boss. Johnson has admitted that the jabs don’t stop you getting or transmitting the virus. So jabbing Care Workers and NHS staff makes NO DIFFERENCE to people in their care.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Sajid Javid a man with no science education, well maybe high school biology, wants to mandate an experimental biological for healthcare workers more highly educated in the sciences than he is? No, I don’t h
think sl javid. But if you do, well expect your nhs to completely collapse. Those wonderful nhs workers you clapped for months will simply leave.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

So Savage Jabber is having daily meetings to discuss the ‘crisis’. What a waste of time. He’d be better off picking his nose while scratching his backside, or vv.
And he’s going to have yet another lump of taxpayers’ money, £5.9 Billion, to ‘help clear the backlog’ apparently. As the backlog can only be reduced by suddenly increasing the numbers of clinical staff to carry out the necessary diagnostic tests, diagnoses, clinical interventions and aftercare that’s going to be yet another £5.9B wasted and shovelled into the pockets of the existing staff, with the senior management trousering most of it.

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BillyWiz
BillyWiz
3 years ago

I have a friend who is a nurse in the NHS and who has natural immunity from recovering from covid. If mandates are enforced my friend will resign their job, If there are enough credible threats like this watch the NHS back track – just like the Chicago Police Dept and US Postal workers union.
I am not anti vax but believe it is a personal choice – especially if you already have natural immunity

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nrw
nrw
3 years ago

Yet MPs are not mandated to be vaccinated. Do as I say, not as I do!

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