Head of the U.K. Health Security Agency, Dame Jenny Harries, in an interview with Paul Nuki for the Telegraph, suggests that the U.K. will adopt a more ‘Swedish’ approach to social distancing for future pandemics. Here’s an excerpt:
Dame Jenny Harries does not shake my hand as I’m ushered into her office and I wonder momentarily if this interview is going to be more difficult than anticipated.
“I’m just going to be very open,” she says in a way that only a doctor can. “The reason I haven’t shaken hands with you is, I’m just slightly under the weather. Not respiratory-wise – in other ways. I think I’ll be fine. But I’m just not not quite as buzzy as I usually am.”
I relax (and check I’m not blocking the most direct route to the exit). Harries has never been known as a bundle of laughs but her vigour has never been in doubt. She’s of a generation of medics that pulled three-and-a-half-day shifts as juniors and, while most of her contemporaries have long since been put out to graze, she, at 65, remains whippet lean and A* sharp.
It’s just as well. As we meet, the highly mutated BA.2.86 ‘Pirola’ variant of COVID-19 is spreading rapidly ahead of winter, a new booster shot for the most vulnerable is being rushed out and H5N1 bird flu is causing havoc around the world. And these are just some of the near-term risks she must deal with.
Harries’s doggedness has served her well. After a career in public health spanning over 25 years – much of it spent as a diligent deputy to alpha men – she’s emerged from the widespread bureaucratic and professional wreckage of the pandemic very much on top. Now, as head of the powerful new U.K. Health Security Agency (UKHSA), she’s responsible for protecting the country from everything from viruses to chemical, biological and nuclear threats – and she’s loving every minute of it.
It was in March 2020, as the first wave of COVID-19 was sweeping Europe, that Harries first came to national prominence. “Amid the bedlam, she is in our corner, soothing the country with an effortless bedside manner,” said Vogue magazine of the then Deputy Chief Medical Officer. “Her modus operandi: rationalism tempered with empathy,” it added.
Headline writers were especially taken with Harries’s response to a question thrown at her on the eve of the first national lockdown on how lovers should navigate the coming months. Standing at a lectern next to Matt Hancock (who we can surmise was not listening), she said: “I’m clearly going to start a new career here in relationship counselling, so I will tread very carefully… If the two halves of a couple are currently in separate households, ideally they should stay in those households. The alternative might be that, for quite a significant period going forwards, they should test the strength of their relationship and decide whether one wishes to be permanently resident in another household.”
“Shack up or break up,” the papers shouted as the shutters came down the next day.
Harries is big on the power of human experience and thinks we have learnt a huge amount as a population about infection control over the past few years. So much so that if we were to face another pandemic tomorrow the U.K. would take a more Swedish approach to social distancing, she suggests. Social contact fell broadly to the same extent in both countries during the pandemic but, while stay-at-home orders were legally mandated here, in Sweden they were voluntary for the most part.
“What we saw with omicron and later waves of the pandemic, and even now, is that people are good at watching the data and they will take action themselves,” says Harries. “You can see it in footfall going down. People actually start to manage their own socialisation, and the [viral] waves flatten off and come down.”
So next time round we will be more like Sweden, changing our behaviour but without the need for legislation?
Harries is far too savvy to have the word Sweden or – as I later try – South Korea put in her mouth, but the direction of travel is clear. The key, she says, is to be transparent about the risks and build trust with the public.
“The more people trust the organisation to give them early, accurate, honest and straightforward information, then, yes, the likelihood of us moving to extreme forms of transmission management reduce all the time, whether it be for coronavirus or anything else,” she says.
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Dame Jenny Harries exemplifies the perils of hard work as compared to productive effort.
If she spent less time in meetings and more time doing her own research, like, for example, reading up on the lessons learned by the Common Cold Unit regarding the treatment of coronaviruses or reading comments from coronavirus experts present in China at the time of the covid outbreak, she would have avoided sounding like a complete nincompoop.
Maybe she exemplifies the perils of giving the state too much power. Do you really think she believes the crap she spouts?
She definitely exemplifies the socialist fascist state functionary.
Who can say whether she believes the nonsense that she expounds but these types have certainly been shown to be extremely dangerous throughout history:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8500.1984.tb01018.x
Indeed who can say
But if she was “only following orders”, whose orders were they? The politicians say they were following the experts, so if we say the experts were just following orders haven’t we gone round in a circle?
Whose hand was up whose backside?
Bunter and the well named Hancock were, in fact, giving the orders while hiding behind this person and the Gumby Brothers:
‘“When I came into the Department of Health (as deputy medical director of Public Health England) I knew some people, but I wasn’t part of the system. And as soon as I appeared on the No.10 platform for one media briefing, everybody knew me.’
‘She notes that with her experience as a former public health director, Whitty’s expertise in infectious diseases and Van Tam’s in emerging viruses and immunisation, “if you’d planned to put a senior professional team together, you probably couldn’t have done much better”.’
Civil Service World 21 Sept 2021
Hilarious……not really; tragic for so many……
Johnson and Hancock claimed to be following the science and the experts. Of course, politicians often lie, and anyway the buck stops with them. I don’t quite understand what they were thinking if they really did give those orders thinking it was the right thing to do, but then I still don’t really understand any of it. It seems far too idiotic and mad to be anything other than an evil conspiracy – and even that seems pretty mad to me.
All of a piece across the board in the public sector: HS2, MoD procurement, illegal immigration, nut zero……
Professor Angus Dagleish brilliantly summed it up on here the other day.
Exactly. Intelligent and diligent. The worst kind. What you need from people in power is to be intelligent but lazy. That way, only what is necessary gets executed.
… but dumb as a bag of spanners.
No, we’ll do whatever the WHO tells us to do, and Farrar favours fast lockdowns. That is what the WHO Pandemic Accord and revised IHRs demand.
Quite, like we’re about to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of this drug-pushing pharma enabler….
This lunatic ugly is telling us that another scamdemic is coming….pretty clear messaging and the sheeple will comply again I doubt many have learnt anything
That’s what the Health Bureaucrats will try to make us do …… whether they’ll succeed is another matter.
I ignored the rules and particularly the advice, as much as it was possible, last time. I’m certainly not planning to comply in future.
“Now, as head of the powerful new U.K. Health Security Agency
(UKHSA), (pharma funded)”“Harries is big on the power of human
experienceindoctrination and thinks we have learnt a huge amountas a populationabout population control over the past few years.”Thank you.
“The more people trust the organisation to give them early, accurate, honest and straightforward information, then, yes, the likelihood of us moving to extreme forms of transmission management reduce all the time, whether it be for coronavirus or anything else,” she says.”
And if we decide you are not trusting enough….Well you know what the consequences will be.
Well trust is evaporating by the day and this is pure Orwell speak, with a little nod to the Online ‘we intend to do you’ Harms Bill.
There is no question this evil POS would NOT walk out of a Nuremberg.
Something else I find noteworthy, hux, is that the only people rubbing their sweaty palms together and salivating almost gleefully at the prospect of another ‘pandemic’ ( they do all seem uber confident in this regard, which is kind of weird ) or the ones that wish to don a muzzle and hide behind the settee if the telly tells them to be afraid are the bloody jab zealots! Find me an unjabbed person who actually gives a flying feck about any of this tripe. LOL…Madness has set in like rot and it remains to be seen if it will recede next time around. I still maintain that the stats on the uptake of any further death jabs are the best indicator of just how many paranoid plonkers we’re having to endure living amongst us. I very much hope and expect that figure to continually dwindle.
With you Mogs.
Assuming you take any of what she says at face value, she has understood nothing.
“Transmission management”. Delusional.
Nuki is a tool. “As we meet, the highly mutated BA.2.86 ‘Pirola’ variant of COVID-19 is spreading rapidly ahead of winter, a new booster shot for the most vulnerable is being rushed out and H5N1 bird flu is causing havoc around the world. And these are just some of the near-term risks she must deal with.”
The whole thing is from a parallel universe in which “covid” (if it exists) was something unusual. I do not recognise the existence of such a place.
Spot on tof.
‘New variant’, ‘Rishing out a new booster’! Have she/they not learned anything? You cannot rush a vaccine, and you cannot vaccinate your way out of a pandemic. Such basic stuff!
Ha, poppycock! Well I won’t bang the same tedious drum by repeating myself ad nauseam, so there’s this acknowledgment from New York. The only thing that swept the world in 2020 was a scam coupled with tyranny, so bollocks to your much anticipated ”next pandemic”!
“Only one to two percent” of deaths officially labeled as caused by COVID actually were induced by the disease. The rest were labeled as COVID but actually had other causes.
So said an individual I spoke to recently, who I’ll keep anonymous, about the deceased people processed by this individual’s medical examiner’s office. I won’t reveal much about this person, who I’ll call “ME,” except to say that ME is highly trained and qualified and works at a major medical examiner’s office in New York State.
ME’s information is not revelatory. We’ve heard from many sources that COVID numbers have been inflated. Personally speaking, I also talked a couple of years ago to an employee at a NY hospital who told me, casually and as a matter of course, “They’re lumping all the flu cases in with COVID.” But it’s especially noteworthy and newsworthy when the information comes from someone such as ME, who’s highly trained, in a position to know and who reveals such striking numbers.
So what are America’s actual COVID numbers? Can ME’s one-to-two-percent estimate be extrapolated to our whole country? We don’t know. What’s for certain is that COVID has been grossly mismanaged and mischaracterized by people who would sententiously scold “Follow the science!” but were themselves following money and politics. In the process, this medical/scientific establishment has perhaps permanently discredited itself — and never was reputational destruction more richly deserved.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/09/medical_examiners_office_source_only_1_to_2_percent_of_covid_deaths_were_really_covid.html
Bloody hell, my first thoughts were …
‘Crikey, our Mogs has been getting about a bit
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As we meet, the highly mutated BA.2.86 ‘Pirola’ variant of COVID-19 is spreading rapidly ahead of winter
Is this the one that has had 120 cases worldwide, (non-fatal), a quarter of which are in one nursing home in Norfolk.? Feel free to correct me..
Mutation is not necessarily a bad thing: highly mutated = not very much like the original. So really not very similar at all to the thing our overlords panicked about in 2020.
Respiratory diseases spread rapidly, they always have and always will. Payola is no different.
Who’s already getting her side (at least as she wants it remembered) in before the enquiry…
Translation – The public has stopped listening to us.
There is nothing the UKHSA can do or say that will mean anything to us, they have done their money, corrupt to the core with financially motivated skewed and dangerous version of science and one can only hope they are as equally eager to use the ‘We’ when the trials start…and they will start..one day.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/huawei-ai-signals-collapse-us-strategy/5833588
Something to do with some super Huawei super chips. It will mean more to the techies. Apparently this will wind up the yanks.
Paul Nuki. That’s all I need to know.
This article is about doctors who’ve had their lives ”destroyed” allegedly due to ‘Long Covid’. I did not see the word ‘vaccine’ mentioned anywhere in this piece so what I would query is, looking at the dates mentioned for when doctors were getting ill, how many had the jab but are in denial and putting their illness down to ‘Long Covid’? We know post-viral fatigue syndrome has always been a thing but I fail to see how so many fit and healthy working-age people could come down with something which is not actually that common, especially if they’ve worked previous flu seasons without any problems.
”To find out more about the impact of long covid on the medical profession, the BMA joined forces with LCD4A last year to survey doctors with the condition. Some 603 doctors responded to the survey (though not all of them answered every question), carried out during December 2022 and January 2023.
The results5 reveal that almost one in five (18%) were no longer able to work. While more than half (57%) worked full time before the onset of their covid illness, that proportion had dropped to one in three (31%). Nearly half (49%) of respondents had lost income because of long covid.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p1983
Same civil service, same danger.
Less restrictive than sweden would be even better
This highly mutated variant is still a second order Omicron variation.
The thing that struck me most negatively was that the reponsibility for disease control is not a strictly medical issue now, but a security one. Read RFK and others, and the catastrophe of the response to COVID was because it was clandestinely managed by the security services, whether through sheer incompetence or because they deliberately made and or released the thing.
Specifically, by bias or by design, the whole management, censorship and propaganda campaign derived from the concept of some foreign enemy using bioweapons, ie we were put on a war footing, not a medical one.
Since Harries is overtly covering the same ground, how can she not be influenced or controlled by GCHQ acting under the US three letter agencies… as well as Big Pharma, of course?
Long Covid,hmmmmmmmmmmmm!
And which party is she a member of? Putting the GE on one side, they should have done that in the first place. If you remember early 2020, it appeared that they almost did, until old BoJo lost it and they all caved in and did what WHO dictated, more or less.
This must be study number 899 demonstrating the death jabs damage the heart. 300 unvaxxed and 700 vaxxed people, all asymptomatic, underwent cardiac imaging and this is what they found. Nothing explains all of these ”died suddenly” tragedies better than young people walking around ( or playing sports/sleeping in many cases ) with subclinical heart damage. Then there’s the increase in aggressive/’turbo’ cancers in younger folk…
”In conclusion, in a set of patients who underwent PET/CT for indications other than myocardial inflammation, those who had received a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination showed increased myocardial FDG uptake on images up to 180 days after their 2nd vaccination compared to patients imaged before SARS-CoV-2 vaccination was available. Vaccinated patients showed higher myocardial FDG uptake on PET/CT compared to nonvaccinated patients regardless of sex, age, or type of mRNA vaccine received.
Previous studies have shown that increased FDG uptake in the axillary lymph nodes of vaccinated patients can persist for 2-3 weeks. Data from the current study suggests this may persist for longer as patients who underwent imaging 1-120 days after their 2nd vaccination, but not >120 days after their second vaccination, all had higher axillary lymph node FDG uptake compared to nonvaccinated patients. Compared with cardiac MRI, PET-CT can provide information about inflammation for the whole body, and in the current study, FDG uptake in the liver and spleen was also found to be higher in the vaccinated vs nonvaccinated group.”
https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.230743?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed
Trust! I wouldn’t trust the UK Health Security Agency, or Harries, if they told me tomorrow is Tuesday.
Liars and propagandists, the lot of them.
This woman is a disgrace and terrifies me that she is anywhere near the helm of another lockdown. We did not have a pandemic! It was a plandemic! She is that ingratiated with the people who enforced the draconian response to the plandemic. I do not want anyone like her or the compromised sage members making medical decisions on my behalf. Why is she ignoring ALL the data emerging from the UK’s own ONS. It is not looking good for this government’s decision making during covid.
“I’m just not not quite as buzzy as I usually am.”
But she’s been vaxxed up the wazoo.
I wouldn’t trust this woman (with or without a penis) as far as I could throw a piano. Incidentally they all seem very keen to have a pandemic. As there’s on average about one every hundred or so years it’s unlikely she’ll be alive for the next one. Tempted to say “thank God for that”.
Oh sorry being naive of course they make their own pandemics nowadays don’t they.
This dreadful misinformation and disinformation is precisely what to expect from Paul Nuki, deep state pharma shill IMHO who should not be employed by any newspaper – least of all the Telegraph. And what a creep IMHO and creepy article sucking up to Harries::
He is the last person IMHO who should be the “Global Health Security Editor” for any news organisation. And in my view he is responsible for a great deal of harm caused to British children especially.
And there is more.
Of course these are my views and Nuki is welcome to disagree just as anyone else is. But read the article and ask yourself is this journalism – doing a vanity piece on Harries so he can – as I think is clear enough – to brown nose Harries and in so doing ingratiate himself with her agency and the rest of the medical industrial complex.
“At Birmingham University, Harries studied medicine and pharmacology , graduating in 1984, but rather than jump straight into a career, she packed a rucksack and set off on the hippy trail….”. She appears to have a BSc and two other first degrees MB ChB which are Primary Medical Qualifications. She does not appear to have trained as a Foundation Doctor or been a medic “that pulled three and a half day shifts as juniors”. So speaking in a way “that only a doctor can” must be a technique she has acquired through mimicry. Her main achievement in her own words is to be “a very proud senior civil servant”. It is absolutely staggering that this imposter is in a position to contradict and marginalize vastly more qualified experts, and to dictate the minutiae of people’s lives having first terrorized them into compliance. Puppet tyrant doesn’t even begin to cover it.
Thanks for that informative expose.
“What we saw with omicron and later waves of the pandemic, and even now, is that people are good at watching the data and they will take action themselves,” says Harries.
You saw that well before the first lockdown, idiot. Mobility, transport, office attendance and more had decreased hugely before it was announced. There was never any need to do anything other than be open and honest and give sensible advice, but you went for fear mongering and terror. Some people were afraid to even open their windows such was the level of hysteria.
Also has Hancock got the memo – he thinks we’re going to lock down sooner, harder and longer for whatever comes next.
At least there’s one chink of light in the scaremongering about “he next pandemic”; we won’t have Priness Nut Nuts (a.k.a. Carrie Antoinette) woried about losing her obese meal ticket and screaming” the sky is falling”
“The key, she says, is to be transparent about the risks and build trust with the public.”
The key is to stop lying to the public.
She’s just another parasite in a high paid job that generates no wealth and whose absence would have only a positive benefit to the Body Politic.
“We’ll Behave More Like Sweden”.
That was the plan last time from Patrick Vallance et al until he turned on a sixpence in a few hours after IMHO that bent academic from Imperial College published his fake figures predicting the end of humanity from Covid.
I was otherwise hoping the headline to this article means running around naked in the snow after a sauna until I realised that lots of overweight Brits instead of lithe blonde Swedes would be involved.