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Government Slams Woke Defunding of Defence Industry

by Will Jones
12 September 2023 6:00 PM

The Defence Secretary Grant Shapps has hit back at the defunding of the defence industry in the name of Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) considerations, saying it threatens peace and security.

In a joint statement with the Treasury in answer to a Parliamentary Question today, Shapps said: “Defence companies are being excluded from access to debt and equity capital,” a policy which “fails to recognise that the U.K.’s defence industry is essential to protecting our way of life”.

Here’s how it begins.

I wish to make a joint statement with HM Treasury, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government.

The Government is clear the U.K.’s defence sector has an integral role in supporting the first duty of Government: to promote and protect the United Kingdom’s core national interests: the sovereignty, security and prosperity of the British people. That includes supporting allies and partners and contributing to broader international security.

Nowhere is this clearer than in Ukraine – where we continue to have a leading role in providing our Ukrainian friends with our support and with vital military aid to resist President Putin’s illegal and brutal war.

Our defence industrial base underpins our Armed Forces, maintains our continuous-at-sea nuclear deterrent and safeguards our critical infrastructure. The private sector is essential to our national security whether in peacetime or times of emergency. The ongoing maintenance of critical industrial facilities, skills and intellectual property onshore, and the approach we take to sustain these, gives us confidence that we can continue to operate independently, in defence of the country’s interests, without external political influence and protecting the sensitive technologies that underpin our military capability.

Despite this, defence companies are being excluded from access to debt and equity capital, citing Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) grounds. This not only threatens an important part of the economy that, through MOD expenditure alone, directly and indirectly supports over 200,000 jobs, but it fails to recognise that the UK’s defence industry is essential to protecting our way of life. Such divestment also threatens to increase the cost of procurement, diverting taxpayers’ money away from other defence spending and from public services. The industry’s value to us as a key strategic asset is only increasing at a time of global uncertainty. …

Whilst investors must always be free to make their own choices, they should do so on the basis of the facts, and those seeking to inform those choices through providing ESG ratings should be clearer on their methodology and more prompt to correct errors when these are pointed out. Defence spending helps prevent war and helps support the British way of life, and those of our NATO allies and partners. …

This Government believes that the important values within ESG should not undermine capabilities developed to help us preserve peace and security, without which sustaining those values would not be possible.

While Shapps repudiates this element of ESG, he is at pains to stress that the defence industry is otherwise fully compliant with ESG values, so the statement is hardly a fulsome rejection of ESG. But I suppose the move would fail completely if it wasn’t diplomatic.

Will the Leftist ideologues behind the ESG movement listen to anything a Tory Defence Secretary says? We can but hope.

Read the full statement here.

Tags: DefenceESGUkraineWar in UkraineWoke capitalismWoke Gobbledegook

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Will
Will
4 years ago

Is it me?

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Arkansas
Arkansas
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

In a manner of speaking.

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago
Reply to  Arkansas

Dear Will – this is something you have to watch and share

London Has Fallen | Financial Collapse – Shocking Video of Central London 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2-VY6roL0

From Neil McCoy-Ward

Financial Crisis | What To Expect Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLwwUG9M7Sc

From Neil McCoy-Ward

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Dr Mike Yeadon has publicly accused Vallance of lying and invited him to sue. Dr Yeadon says that Vallance knows that there could not be a second wave. To date Mr Vallance has not responded

In support of the second wave Vallance has produce the ‘graph of doom’ and the dodgy dossier of 4,000 deaths a day

A second wave will result in Mr Vallance profiting financially from his holding in a vaccine company. The ‘second wave’ lockdown will result in financial loss to a great number of people

If Dr Yeadon is correct then there is in my opinion prima facie evidence that Mr Vallance has committed a criminal offence under the 2006 Fraud Act

It is open to an individual to write to The Director of Public Prosecutions and The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and demand an investigation

If I write it will never make the press

If an MP writes it will make the press

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud_Act_2006

Last edited 4 years ago by Cecil B
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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Get a form letter together along with the contact details and we can all send one in plus to our local police.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Absolutely right. We need these letter writing campaigns to hold people to account.
AG, have you got your own website to enable this?
If not do we have someone here who can do so?

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

What about a class action?

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AfterAll
AfterAll
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The reason “viruses don´t have second waves” is that we don´t normally try to suppress them. To the extent that you do somehow succeed in suppressing the virus then you could get a second wave, as the virus infects the people who missed it the first time.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  AfterAll

Which was said here months ago and at other places, small blogs I follow, at the start of lockdown.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  AfterAll

Then any second wave will be an intentional, having been engineered for political advantage. The Boris Johnson government is nothing more than a bunch of crooks and murderers and should be dealt with accordingly. Are you listening Cressida Dick, or are you also in on a cut of Gates’s obscene vaccine profits?

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Yeadon did mention the possibility of a small second wave on that basis.

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

I see two possible reasons for a second wave. First, mask wearing has the potential to cause health problems in a number of ways. Secondly, influenza vaccines could well activate retro-viruses (according to Judy Mikovits) as they may well have done in Wuhan and Lombardy.

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sceptickat
sceptickat
4 years ago
Reply to  AfterAll

I remember Vallance himself warning this could happen in a briefing before the first lockdown. It was reported in the Guardian here https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/coronavirus-science-chief-defends-uk-measures-criticism-herd-immunity.
This almost proves that the Government have caused the ‘second wave’, not the public.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  sceptickat

This government must not be allowed to remain in office and Labour should be held accountable for supporting Johnson

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

Bronze again?

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago

When the government in England introduced lockdown measures on 23 March 2020, it claimed that it was motivated by a concern to save lives and that its policies were determined by the science. This has remained the government’s explicit rationale for all the constantly changing rules. Yet even the most cursory examination shows the assertion to be false. Measures have been introduced without any attempt to assess the negative effects. Measures have been presented as being based on scientific evidence, which turns out to be non-existent. When one examines the behaviour of the government, its claim to be concerned to save lives by following the science immediately collapses.https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/11/coronavirus-responses-examination-of.html

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago

Before you know it the mink thing will be used to justify the culling of all farm animals and pets. Vets will be obliged to report all their customers so none are missed. This happened to a certain extent in Wuhan back at the beginning.

It just so happens that veganism is a goal of the climate change lobby, and Professor Lockdown is famous for his mass foot and mouth disease slaughter. (I wonder, wasn’t there a world leader in recent history who was vegetarian and very much into culling people?). And we can’t have any more carbon emissions for something as frivolous as your pet dogs and cats.

Who still thinks they aren’t using the latest sniffles as cover for their agenda?

Last edited 4 years ago by Commander Jameson
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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

More likely that before you know it this will be used to justify wiping out the earth’s bat populations. Can just see them gassing caves. I wish some of the techie fanboys would buzz off to Mars and let us earthlings live our risky and enriching lives here in symbiosis with nature.
Support the Bat Conservation Trust if in the UK:
https://www.bats.org.uk/
BAT LIVES MATTER!

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvie

They’ll kill all the bats but no mosquitoes. Nothing surprises me any more.

I think the Mars colony is more likely to be for us lot while the herd immunity deniers will stay behind on Earth. This seems to be the way Elon Musk sees it shaping up.

People think of living on Mars as science fiction but we could easily have had a really decent Mars colony for what this pandemic hysteria has cost the world. This makes me despair of the human race.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

100% evil

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

You have to be able to think like your enemy. I think this is one of the things to our advantage as skeptics – we aren’t as tribal as most people – we don’t refuse to speak to someone because they are a democrat or because they are a republican – we can see where the other person is coming from and agree or disagree with it on the facts rather than because they give their view some label or other.

If you understand where the green/greta/globalist lobby is coming from, get inside their thinking, you can see how far they are prepared to go.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

I do understand the passion but see it as irrational, that they want the world they want, asap, regardless of how they do it. People have been encouraged, by those wanting to get rich, including the globalists, to have ‘things’. What do they want now, to reduce the billions in a few months?

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Incidentally, as a thought experiment (and regular China visitor), I can’t imagine the Chinese population accepting the imposition of veganism for any reason. Banning meat, or just destroying the supply of meat, is one of the very few ways you could actually start a revolution in that increasingly oppressed and brainwashed* country. The last thing that panicked the regime was the increasing price of pork leading into the 70th anniversary of the CCP celebrations – domestic supply was being so devastated by swine fever that they relaxed import restrictions so citizens deprived of their staple didn’t get restless. Millions on the streets in Hong Kong? That can be just swatted away. No pork for the holidays – trouble brewing.

I wonder if we Europeans would accept it “for our own good”. If we are now actually more receptive to tyranny than one of the most oppressed peoples on the planet?

*:Yes, China has always been oppressed and brainwashed, but it is increasing and already substantially worse under Xi than his recent predecessors.

Last edited 4 years ago by Commander Jameson
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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

It’s not just our pet dogs that they want to get rid of.

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

“First they came for the dogs, but I did not speak up for I don’t have a dog.”

This explains why democracy (mob rule) needs to be tempered by (European meaning, i.e. free society and free trade) liberalism. Because everyone is in a minority. In fact in several minorities. Only a tiny minority of people go to football matches, so should we ban going to football? Oh look, we already did. After all, the majority don’t care.

Last edited 4 years ago by Commander Jameson
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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Democracy is the people collectively deciding public policy. There isn’t too much of it; there is far too little. The banning of attendance at football matches wasn’t decided by a referendum; it was imposed by an unaccountable government.

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

This is exactly why some decisions should be left to the individual, and entirely off-limits to any collective.

There is no imaginable good reason to ban you having a dog, just as there is no good reason to stop you going to football, but both could happen by democratic means.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

there are lots of dogs…..

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Same applied to closing pubs at 10pm and banning nightclubs.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Would Johnson front for that? A man who thought of himself as the new Churchill, reduced to a parody of Chaim Rumkowski. “Give me your hamsters.”

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Johnson couldn’t lace Churchills boots

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

Everyone should read Balloux’s thread on on the mink thing:

https://twitter.com/ballouxfrancois/status/1324085763026362370

Long story short it’s complete nonsense. Yes the virus mutates in minks but so what, it mutates in humans as well.

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S.P.
S.P.
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

At the beginning of WW2, there was a massive cull of pets in Britain: three quarters of a million in the first week. I think the rationale behind that was that the government said we couldn’t feed them and the population. So there’s previous.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  S.P.

Rationale behind it was more sound.

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James Bertram
James Bertram
4 years ago
Reply to  S.P.

Led to the setting up of the Ferne Animal Sanctuary in Devon.
Well worth a visit.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

I was talking about this to partner this morning as I saw in China they are killing dogs again. Didn’t read whole thing as too upsetting.
I think there are 2 things that come to mind quickly which would be a step too far for majority of Brits. 1 – stealing their savings (which will happen, but further along the line when it’s too late) and 2 – killing dogs and cats. I might be wrong but can’t see that being accepted.

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Steven F
Steven F
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

If anyone come near my cats with malicious intent I really would kill. I mean that.

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Mrs S
Mrs S
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

There would be flaming barricades if anyone threatened to kill people’s pets.

People would literally sacrifice their grandma before their dog.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Mrs S

What would Granma do to protect her moggie ?

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

He was teetotal (Alcohol Concern will be delighted with lockdown) and a non smoker, I’m told in Spain it is now illegal to smoke in public since this means removing your face nappy.
Oh and he ruled on the basis of an Enabling Act voted through by almost all of the Reichstag except for the dead Communists.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

An Enabling Act passed in 1933 and renewed in 1937 and 1941. Technically, the Weimar Republic lasted until 1945.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago

50% accurate – sounds like money well spent.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

So is a coin….

I can save money too by using a 10p one instead of £1……

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

Yes exactly. 50% is the minimum accuracy for any test. A coin flip is 50% specific, 50% sensitive and 50% accurate. The buttercup test for whether you like butter is 100% sensitive, but 0% specific, and also 50% accurate.

What those guys actually found was that the test was 50% sensitive. They didn’t say what the specificity was and only the Guardian have seen their letter.

With prevalence so low specificity matters more than sensitivity anyway.

I think this is the test they’re talking about:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142935v4.full-text

See Table 6. Whoever was doing these tests appeared to be getting 81% specificity at 45Ct, 86% at 33 Ct and 100% at 25 Ct, but it’s a very small sample.

I’m going by the results in their table. The text doesn’t make any sense: “When setting CT cut-offs of ≤33 and ≤25, the DSe increased to 75% and 100%, respectively“. How can sensitivity (DSe means “diagnostic sensitivity” I assume) increase when you lower the cycle threshold? Lowering Ct increases specificity and lowers sensitivity.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

In stastistical terms it’s what we call random.

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

If they just wanted something that returns random meaningless results I believe there’s a team at Imperial we could call on.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

I’d go further and say their data is heavily skewed….

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Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Maybe they’re preparing the ground for there to be around 50% less cases than expected, not because the test isn’t sensitive enough but because 50% of cases by traditional PCR are false positives.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Anthony

50% accuracy is totally random. It’s likely to be a different answer when you perform the test again. Toss a coin 100 times and you’ll get close to 50 of each heads or tails. It gets closer to 50 of each the more you do.

What you can get, as it’s totally random, is several of the same in a row as the probability within an individual event is equal for heads or tails. Over time this would distributre evenly.

Repeat tests for covid with as little accuracy as that would be known in industry as a random number generator..

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Could have just tossed a coin! But the coin might have been contaminated!

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Why are these Tory criminals and their science scum still calling the shots !! Well done students of Manchester it is your future after all.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I’d caution against this being a Tory problem when Labour are equally to blame.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

The wretched Labour Party isn’t calling the shots, so save your scorn for the Tories who are actually driving the WEF agenda and of course philanthrocapitalist Bill Gates, who is up to his slimy neck in everything evil that is now happening. Money talks and Bill has a lot of money.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

The Labour party are calling the shots in Wales, so you are talking nonsense.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Drakeford is a useless dope

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Not so much the Party as the Supreme Soviet, headed by the Supreme Wrinkled Old Tortoise.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Ben Bradshaw (Lab Exeter) was last week slagging off the government for bringing in lockdown 2. when it would have been so much better to have a ‘2 week’ national circuit breaker earlier so ‘with a heavy heart’ voted for LD2 as too little, too late’.

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Bill doesn’t have anywhere near as much money as governments of most countries, and the WEF does not either, so there is a logical flaw somewhere in that argument.

All politicians who have voted for or abstained (tacit acceptance) in lockdown votes are equally culpable. Ask Franz von Papen.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

They backed the lockdown, equally culpable.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Labor wouldn’t be any better the LibLabConSNP are dead to me thank God for the SDP not Socialist not free marketeer either

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
4 years ago

I said 3 weeks ago “Hang in there guys”
How wrong was I?

Madness continues but I notice people are ignoring the lockdown

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Yes – the last two days have perhaps been as busy, if not more so around here – people seem to be ignoring the lockdown – you wouldn’t know it was on except for the press/news. Only thing missing is those businesses that had to close.

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

My next door had a big and I mean big firework display
Grandkids
Great grandkids

Good on him

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

The school across the road from me had their usual brilliant one on

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

People no longer believe the government

Wordclass Bullsh1t!

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Thank God there is a waking up and this rogue government may not last much longer

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Destruction of SMBs with the help of LD2 is the aim … make everyone dependent on the state.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

The main problem with the lockdown is that many of the things that make life worth living are now out of bounds. None of this is about a virus and it is now all about control and of course depopulation.

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

People know the risks now.

The government has to reopen on the 2nd December otherwise they have no credit left with the population

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Wonder how many billions ‘they’ want rid of, maybe it would be better to get rid of ‘them’

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

There is an interesting piece in the latest Nexus mag. maintaining that the world population will shrink after 2065 ,and there is a decline in fertility worldwide now.

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EllGee
EllGee
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Out on the bike yesterday, went passed an industrial park. Last lockdown it was deserted for two weeks and then a few started to creep back. This time not one was closed.

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

I went for a long walk yesterday.

Passed two industrial parks-both very busy
Roads – busy
Parks – busy

Lockdown in name only

Goverment are wasting money

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

Same here, the working bloke trading estate was exactly the same as usual Thursday and Friday, except that the transport cafe is closed.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  EllGee

Long walk yesterday along Notting Hill- Portobello Road area finishing off a Kensington High Street.

Not as deserted as it was during first lockdown as fresh produce market was trading as normal while supermarkets, cafes & restaurants open.

Roads and underground was fairly busy especially by around 4 when kids finishing school.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Fuck That I sell same stuff as B&Q so have opened as normal not took a penny but hay ho.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaguarpig

Good for you and good luck!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

I think more and more people are realising that they’ve been had. And despite furlough being extended, there is the growing awakening that their financial futures and in doubt.

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
4 years ago

I have just been sent this quote which apparently is from a Polish author:

“The vaccine should be tested on politicians first. If they survive, the vaccine is safe. If they don’t, then the country is safe.”

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
4 years ago
Reply to  Hampshire Sceptic

They won’t try it first. Even if Boris goes on TV having the jab it will be full of lolly water. He wouldn’t take the risk.

Last edited 4 years ago by Sceptic Hank
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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
Reply to  Hampshire Sceptic

Politicians and their families first, civil and public service second. Ony then, the rest of society.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
4 years ago

I cannot believe I have reached my great age (don’t ask!) and now, only now, I have been censored on Facebook. For no reason that I can decipher I cannot put any link on my status, I cannot post on any group and I cannot share any link to a friend’s status. 7 days of being silenced. This is blatant censorship. I have the power to ‘appeal’ but how can I appeal a decision they won’t even explain? My view is that ‘they’ want to stop us sharing the truth. I post links that are freely available on the internet so I am not doing anything remotely illegal. All I am doing is trying, desperately, to do is get the truth out there. After 7 days how can I ‘avoid doing it again’ when I don’t know what I did? This is happening to many Facebook users. 2020 and censorship is rife. It’s their version of the ‘truth’ or they gag you.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
4 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

Facebook and Twitter banned a whole lot of people over the US election period.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

When they hire people like Clegg, you know its bad. I remember him being shown on tv, a video of himself telling lies and he still wouldn’t believe it. These people have no shame or morals.

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Mutineer
Mutineer
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Thanks for that. I actually didn’t know about Clegg. I am horrified that links freely available are censored for no reason, whatsoever. Facebook seems intent on slowing down the sharing of the truth.

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Lydia
Lydia
4 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

My husband regularly gets a ban on Facebook for what he posts, for 30 days sometimes. He’s currently half way through his latest 30 day ban.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
4 years ago
Reply to  Lydia

Snap, plus banded for life from twitter for saying Greta should have her arse smacked and be sent to bed with no tea.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

Someone needs to create a new network where political thought is allowed twitter facebook etc need bringing down

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago
Reply to  Adam

There is – it’s called gab.com

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

That’s great but we’d presumably be preaching to the converted.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  Mutineer

That is sinister, but Facebook algorithms mean anything you post isn’t even guaranteed to be seen by anyone anyway even if it were what they deem ‘allowed’.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Ms Towey is advocating committing criminal offences of assault against children

She should be reported to the police and social services and a criminal investigation commenced

Whatever the result of the investigation there are good grounds for placing her on the barring list which would prevent her ever working with children again

The army in schools, whatever next?

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Jakehadlee
Jakehadlee
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Ms Towey should also be reported to the grammar police for crimes against the English language.

Last edited 4 years ago by artfelix
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Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Does this school have a sixth form? If so, even in November, there will be students who are 18 and, therefore, have the right to refuse this test on their own behalf. I wonder what would happen to them if they did – exclusion and further destruction of their education, presumably.
If students are over 18, their parents would not have the right to refuse on their behalf or even represent them, so they will be in the same position as the imprisoned university students – comply with illegal demands and restrictions or lose your education.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Caroline Watson

Lots of students are quite opinionated I can’t see them putting up with this stuff

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

It will be interesting to see how many parents keep their kids off school the day the army come..
Although it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the school didn’t change the day at the last minute, to catch parents out…

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

There is potentially a major child protection issue here – the letter doesn’t make it clear how the school will ensure child protection guidelines are to be followed with the presence (of what seems) a large number of army personnel. Some army personnel that I have come across (via CCF) you don’t want near kids (mainly what they say and how they say it rather than anything more nefarious).

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Dermot McClatchey
Dermot McClatchey
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

That letter, Tobes, is a spoof if ever I saw one. It looks to me as if some enterprising fifth-former at the school is a fair bit more IT- savvy than are the staff who are paid to teach the subject.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Yep, pretty sure any squaddie would need an enhanced DBS check which takes a week or two to process even in normal times. Hopefully the bureaucracy can be used against them!

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Jon W
Jon W
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Looking at the OFSTED report, Broadgreen International School is rated as inadequate. Their actions, and the standard of the letter to parents, therefore come as no surprise.

Last edited 4 years ago by Jon W
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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago

It goes without saying that fines should not be paid until the entire procedure is exhausted. People are unnecesarily terrified of courts and easily bounced into paying “fines” even those sent out by parking companies, cleverly designed to make them look very “official”.

The worst case is that you do get ordered by the court to pay the fine and have some legal costs on top. The best case is that the courts get totally clogged up with thousands of these cases.

Analagous to the (overblown) risk of covid causing demand on the NHS to exceed capacity, so could widespread refusal to co-operate with the fines unless and until convicted result in completely overloading enforcement of covid restrictions.

Last edited 4 years ago by Commander Jameson
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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago
Reply to  Commander Jameson

If you do get to court, fillibuster. Leave responses to the very last minute. Send them by obscure means, perhaps to the wrong fax number at the right court, then object to a judgement (by a different inconvenient but technically legal means) because the court has ignored your latest correspondence and insist the procedure starts all over again.

Introduce large numbers of specious arguments Call witnesses who are irrelevant (but not obviously so because they will be refused). Your Great Aunt in South Africa is ideal because it will be months before she can come and testify, if she can at all, but she was conveniently on the phone with you at the time of the alleged offence, so you say. “Fire” your lawyer halfway through an oral hearing and take your time finding another one.

The CIA sabotage field manual dating from the second world war is full of ideas as to how the powerless who don’t want to man the barricades can fight back against this tyranny.

https://gist.github.com/kennwhite/467529962c184258d08f16daec83d5da

Last edited 4 years ago by Commander Jameson
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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Good reading on here:

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk

On the front page the correspondence between Ed Humpherson and Patrick Vallance.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

The only benefit from that correspondence is that we all now have access to how to contact Vallance. Lovely stuff.

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Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
4 years ago

I dropped A level maths and entered medical school with Physics, Chemistry and Biology . The world of mathematical modelers populated by SAGE is alien to me ; I prefer empirical evidence.

So some evidence based medicine from my ” front line ” . The number of patients being seen with respiratory infections this week is very small after a little rise four weeks ago . Similar numbers as would be seen in June or July.

The number of people phoning up the surgery halved on Thursday and Friday. It is like March ; groundhog day . I got away at 6 pm . I do see face to face patients all afternoon and continue to do so. I had unfilled spaces yesterday afternoon. It seems a lot of people think lockdown actually means don’t bother the health service. I assure you we are not busy.

After doing some research , ie asking my patients who have tested PCR covid pos in the last 2 weeks I have found out that all are either hospital or care home workers, their spouses or in patients.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

I teach A Level maths so shame on you Peter haha. Seriously though you are quite right about mathematical modelling….it is always dubious and is behind most of the hysterical nonsense of recent years such as lockdown and ‘climate emergency’ etc. All modelling including econometric models rely on the validity of the often invisible assumptions. These assumptions are usually made to support the desired outcomes….it is really a form of corruption on a massive scale.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

But Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s most senior scientific advisor, said: “The modelling, that’s the data we are looking at.” And as everyone knows data are facts, and one cannot argue with facts.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Once modelling is seen as ‘data’ we are in an age of unreason.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Listening to government ministers and their scientific advisors on this reminds me of nothing so much as Humpty Dumpty telling Alice that when he uses a word it means whatever he wants it to mean, nothing more or less.

When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I really hope you are not going to teach your A-level students that mathematical modelling is “always dubious”, but rather, to teach them to understand how it works and how it should and should not be used. For a student’s view, take a look at https://ima.org.uk/14541/mathematical-modelling/

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Pinch

Dont get clever with me Richard you know perfectly well what I meant. When modelling becomes the reason for some major public policy and becomes the god by which society is run there will always be problems. I am not saying it cannot be of any use but when it takes over decision making it causes many to cease thinking.

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Richard Pinch
Richard Pinch
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I can only infer what you mean from what you say. When you said “always dubious”, I took you to mean what you said. Even in public policy making it is possible for models to be both useful and used well.

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djaustin
djaustin
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

You do know that the Treasury have been running models for far longer than the Department of Health? Models are always interpretted in the context of observations.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

It’s only corrupt if it’s applied without the necessary validation and verification. Climate science is fine as a field where hypothetical scenarios are played out. There’s a lot of theoretical physics and maths fields that do just that.

It’s the application not the substance that is the issue.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Its not fine though if we are taken back to the stone age on the base of it. Mind you thats what happening with Covid too.

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Ron Zelius
Ron Zelius
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Or as is said “decision-based evidence making”

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Is it a bit like creative accountancy?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

If you don’t mind answering, do you work in a village, town or city, Peter? Also, North/South?

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Peter Thompson
Peter Thompson
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Sorry I have been very careful to not give any identifying evidence since day 1 as I am fully aware of doctors who have been sacked for being open. I might be male or female who knows. I can assure you I am a registered doctor..

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

No problem, I understand.

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

male or female..? what about all the other genders? are you ruling those out? you will have the LBGT XYZ zealots after you for being so discriminatory!!!

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

Blimey isn’t the NHS great! Just another organisation in which it is not allowed for you to have an opinion.

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djaustin
djaustin
4 years ago
Reply to  Peter Thompson

The plural of anecdote is not data. Whilst some areas may have relatively low levels, others do not. Nationally there is a rising epidemic of patients being subjected to ventilation that is at odds with typical years. There is much empirical evidence, but looking locally is not going to see the picture.

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Commander Jameson
Commander Jameson
4 years ago
Reply to  djaustin

Daren Austin, OBE for “Services to the Corona”, mathematician pretending to practice medicine, and GSK-Ferguson link-man, comes to the aid of his Imperial buddies again.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

“Operation Moonshine: New Rapid Test Misses More Than Half of Infections”
Infections?

What infections?

The epidemic is over. insofar as it ever existed.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

That’s the FUN part! Two Winter seasons into this FRAUD and the Billionaire controlled WHO still has the sign “PANDEMIC” on…

Clearly they need it to justifying the deployment of the new TOOL for command & control of the Herd of moron slaves.

And it is working very well for Them.

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Van Allen
Van Allen
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I am somewhat baffled by the first article which seems to give credence to the discredited pcr test. So 50% of the positive pcr tests didn’t show positive on the new test? What amount of amplification was used for the pcr test? Is it possible that 50% (or more) were false positives?

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Van Allen

Those were my thoughts when I read it.

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago

Lots of people going about their business as usual this morning in town. Nice to see. Have a wonderful day wherever you are.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Where I live most slaves (>95%) are wearing a muzzle outdoors… Good slaves!

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago

Does anyone know of any churches in England that are intending to have a service tomorrow? I’ve mentioned this on here before as there have been a lot of church officials complaining publicly and it would be nice to think that at least one would follow their words with action.
As far as I understand part of Simon Dolan’s court case was that it was outwith government’s powers to close churches and the first judge threw out everything else but agreed with that part but no further action was taken as they had just allowed them to reopen at that point. If this is right then surely any church official consulting with a lawyer will be told that they can stay open and refuse them entry if any police turn up?

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

https://www.achurchnearyou.com/ I’m going to have a look here. From what I understand there is a loophole that if a service is being streamed you can have a congregation. It might be worth contacting said services to see if this possible

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Ours is following the rules and our previous planned remebrance day service will be via Zoom. We have all been asked to put a cross, bible and poppies on a table which looks as near as we are getting to any celebration of the day. Under the rules they could choose to live stream it from church and I could attend ‘for private prayer’.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

A truly wonderful way to honour those who died for our freedom.
Excuse me while I puke

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Cedric the dragon
Cedric the dragon
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

In Wales we are allowed to gather at a war memorial or cenotaph,as long as there are only 30 or fewer, so we will.
Can Acts of Remembrance take place at War Memorials or Cenotaphs? Acts of Remembrance that are outdoors at War Memorials or Cenotaphs are permitted to take place on 7 or 8 November. Indoor services are not permitted. 
Up to a maximum of 30 individuals, including event organisers, are permitted to gather outdoors and can take part in an Act of Remembrance. Those who organise an event will have a duty of care to those attending to make it as safe as possible and uphold guidance around physical distancing and hygiene.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Cedric the dragon

So what if more than 30 rock up? A lottery for who stays??

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Mrs S
Mrs S
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

It’s under judicial review. Not sure how long that takes but no church will open without approval from church authorites.

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago

Democrats 2020: We have the most robust election voting system in the world.

Democrats 2016,17,18,19 The nasty Russians rigged the election.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

And those pesky Russians rigged the election by placing some an infinitesimally tiny amount of click bait on the Internet.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Losers’ consent died in 2016, and those who now support Biden killed it.

If Trump has evidence of fraud he should fight this to the death.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEsjv9vKCGc Watch from 33 minutes in to see votes being manipulated *on screen*, in front of people’s eyes!

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mj
mj
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

thats the second time you have falsely linked to a 9/11 conspiracy video. either get the right link (which i would like to see) or stop peddling shite

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

I am no fan of Trump but the Democrats are undeserving of winning the presidency, I don’t mean Biden Pelosi Schumer Schiff are dreadful the Labor party is similar in arrogance

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Adam

Winning by cheating is hardly a win.
The Undemocrats have spelled out all long what they intended. Add to that their shameless exploitation of a frail old man who’s lost his marbles and I wonder what kind of weirdo would vote for them – other than to keep out Trump.
On the other hand it was to keep out Hillary that Trump got in.
“Democratic” elections. No such thing!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Operation Bull**** more like, anything to drag this fraud out as long as possible. When are the legal eagles going to put a stop to it.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago

I was thinking about the Simon Dolan court case. Seeing as they have delayed it and we are still awaiting the findings of the three judges, haven’t we now turned a corner?

Due to the government admission of the dodgy data, this will throw doubt on the data and highlight their misuse of power. granting ultra vires power from the health act due to a now largely non existent virus. it was downgraded by the government in March to flu like risk, so i think the government has shot themselves in the foot, very publicly.

To find in favour with the government now will show that the courts are bent, so surely the only logical choice is to find in favour of Simon Dolan.

Even better, trust in the government must now totally evaporate. The MSM reporting that tests don’t work, testing centres are empty and the goverment admitting their lies.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

I’m wondering whether the judges have been informed of Michael O’Bernicia’s case, and are considering their options…???

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

That is really interesting, I have been following that, I don’t understand the implications of common law. My father a retired solicitor, who hasn’t subscribed to full scepticism, but doesn’t seem to agree with the government, explined that the elements of the law are pretty ancient. He’d have to do some pretty serious reading to explain it to me, but I have found the case fascinating.

I also that Michael is correct, even if he is only half right, the powers that be much be shitting themselves.

Again, remember the sheep thing, where one goes others follow. So into lockdown it only took one to go in for others to follow. Watch what happens when someone decides to publish the truth and rip up the mask…… I’m an optimist…

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

Watch this:

The Dissident’s Guide to the Consitution
Episode 2 now available too:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/dissidents-guide-constitution-episode-1

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

I think the problem here is that the judges can’t take recent events into account as they were not presented as evidence. I have been wondering how they can reach a verdict given events of the last couple of days.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

I believe it would just show how much doubt there must be on all earlier evidence from the government. It should kind of cement it.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Simon

We as Britons have the Human rights act and UN convention’s to turn to

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Adam

For now!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

DO NOT WORRY!

Degenerate and scum salves at MIT have come up with this lovely APP for you morons to use on your REAL brains – aka smartphones –

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The best and funniest part is that the algo was calibrated using the PCR results!

WAIT FOR IT…

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

comment image

This will be a MANDATORY APP, it will be installed remotely.

Don’t forget to remove the muzzle while coughing!

Last edited 4 years ago by voza0db
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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

how will it be mandatory? what is the source for this?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

The source for the NEW TOOL is this

The source for the MANDATORY part is… Look around! Most stuff is now mandatory. And that new tool (app) is too goddamn good to go to waste.

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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54780460
BBC had it a couple of days ago. Hasn’t yet been developed into an app, won’t be, never will be mandatory, just another fun thing like the dogs who are being trained to detect the smell of covid….

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Sylvie

Here is the actual paper:

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=9208795

It’s complete nonsense of course. If you look at Table 1, you can see that most of the reference negatives had no symptoms of anything.

So basically the AI can tell between a real cough and a fake cough. Gosh. So can I.

There’s some amusing schientific drivel in there:

“Biomarker 3 (Sentiment):

Studies [14] show a cognitive decline in COVID-19 patients
and clinical evidence supports the importance of sentiments in
the early-diagnosis of neurodegenerative decline [19, 30].
Different clinical settings emphasize different sentiments, such
as doubt [31] or frustration [31] as possible neurodegenerative
indicators. To obtain a biomarker that detects this decline, we
trained a Sentiment Speech classifier model to learn sentiment
features on the RAVDESS speech dataset [32], which includes
actors intonating in 8 emotional states: neutral, calm, happy,
sad, angry, fearful, disgust, and surprised. A ResNet50 [28] was
trained on 3 second samples for categorical classification of the
8 intonations with input shape (300, 200) from MFCC which
achieved 71% validation accuracy.”

They’re basically saying that Covid makes you unhappy and this is reflected in the sound of your cough.

How did they ingeniously incorporate these sentiments into the algorithm?

There’s a good summary of the methodology here:

https://xkcd.com/1838/

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

ha ha

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Who’s the moron?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Everyone still using “smartphones”!

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

I have never used them….give me an old Nokia anyday for text and call. Battery lasts all week too!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Me neither… And I’m in tech stuff since the early 80’s!

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Same here – Nokia C2 still going strong – battery lasts all week!

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T T
T T
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Happy to hear there’s another C2 fan out there! Had it for 10+ years now and it’s still going strong, no need for anything fancier.

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Saved To Death
Saved To Death
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

A smartphone is a tool. It can be used to improve our lives and help hold our governments to account or it can be used to destroy and control our lives.

We are not going to ‘win’ this by abandoning the tools at our disposal rather then address our ignorance as to how to use them effectively for our benefit.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

Usual brainless slave talk! Keep on…

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Ad hominem attacks are usually a sign you think your argument is weak

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Your believe that a fact is an attack says it all.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

OK, how do you work that one out?

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I don’t need to work anything out…

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

While the Department of Health accepted the Manchester study’s findings, it claimed other trials of the Lamp test had shown it to be between 80 and 96% accurate. 

These rapid tests were evaluated using pneumonia patients therefore the 80% + rate. If not pneumonia patients then the accuracy rate plummets.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

BUT BUT… “COVID-19” is a NEW DISEASE… not old pneumonia!!

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The charts I saw last week suggested the window for picking up pre-symptomatic people was very narrow, a day or two at most before they develop symptoms.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKHTZZMRcFk&feature=emb_logo

Franz Ruppert – German psychologist on psychological impact of the ‘pandemic’

40 Minutes

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

There is no impact… Just RELAX and SLAVE on!

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stevie119
stevie119
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Do shut up.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  stevie119

Don’t get upset with me fellow slave… focus your little upset on the jesters!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

Littlejohn at the Mail has picked up on the healthcare assistant in Toby’s piece yesterday whistleblowing the tiny amount of covid activity at Risky Treliske hospital in Truro.
Not so many comments yet but I have never seen so overwhelmingly sceptic response.
Just two ‘worst comments’ both ill written two liners downvoted 100-1.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

This from someone who knows about the virus. Even without the minks there are already mutated virus around throwing a spanner in the wheel for the vaccine manufacturers.

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois
 
 
“Interesting preprint describing the evasion from antibody-mediated immunity through a single, fairly common mutation in the Spike protein without noticeable viral fitness decrease or symptom reduction (and no minks involved).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.355842v1
 
This raises the spectre of immune evasion similar to the ‘antigenic drift’ in influenza. This would considerably complicate effective vaccination and deepens concerns about the focus on recombinant/mRNA vaccines solely targeting the Spike protein.”

“Most ‘hight-tech’ vaccines tend to focus on eliciting narrow antibody responses. T-cell response works best against the whole viral diversity. This raises the question whether there should not be more efforts towards ‘traditional’ vaccines (i.e. attenuated/inactivated).”
 
 

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Stop referring to this RNA as “virus”! There is no scientific evidence that this RNA is an infectious viral particle.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Surely you have to start with an actual virus to attenuate. The jury seems to be out on whether a specific one actually exists.
Besides, this isn’t about the virus.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSAlLGwNhu4

A look at the Million Mask March in London 5th November – 7 Minutes

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Great video – especially the woman who had six police telling her to go home. She was clued up to tell them that she was not breaking any law. Interesting that the police speaking all had non-UK accents.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Also, not sure what to make of the chap in a military police beret who seemed to be part of the march.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Foreign police is treason remove Johnson Hancock Gove Patel and Jenrick now

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PastImperfect
PastImperfect
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Non-UK accents? Israelis? We should not consent to be policed by anyone who has not been resident in this country for more than five years and who is not a British citizen.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

This is almost farcical. The mask fanatics thought they had a good paper on the effectiveness of masks but Mother Nature cheated them!

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1324799371347722241
 
“Decrease in Hospitalizations for COVID-19 after Mask Mandates in 1083 U.S. Counties” Really? Well, no: “The authors have withdrawn this manuscript because there are increased rates of SARS-CoV-2 cases in the areas that we originally analyzed in this study”

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Probably a similar result in the Danish study….

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Cedric the dragon
Cedric the dragon
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

In the UK, the mandatory mask wearing was introduced in late July in England and in August in Wales, not sure when in Scotland and positive tests began to rise. I know correlation doesn’t prove causation but it certainly didn’t seem to help!

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

As my local council leader hasn’t contacted me with a rebuttal to my letter 3 weeks ago just sent him et al this, the attachments are:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft_articles/7_1_1950.pdf

“Sirs,

It has been 3 weeks now since I sent my e-mail to you and in it I said:

if you do decide to answer me, please do not insult my intelligence by using the phrase “just following guidance” or some such nonsense but include facts and scientific data that actually supports your position

As there has been no reply from any of you nor a request for my sources of information, the FOIs and so on then all I can do is come to the following conclusions:

  1. You have no scientific evidence to support or justify any of the actions that either the Councils or central Government are taking and that are now starting to fall under the definition of Crimes against Humanity and breaching both the UN and European Charters of Human Rights..
  2. You have no interest in the scientific evidence.
  3. You have no interest in challenging the official narrative.
  4. You will be attempting to use the defence “I was just following orders” to justify your position – not a valid defence, Nuremberg Principle IV.
  5. You are willing participants in the unjustified and warranted imprisonment of the population a 2nd time and the continuing economic and social destruction of this country based on, what is now being widely reported in the mainstream media (who are slowly catching up with independent sources), the use of what can be politely called “deliberate use of unsubstantiated, incorrect, and assumed data”. Even the OSR has taken the Government advisors to task on what data was presented and on the way it was presented.

I have attached some documents for you to peruse that relate to Point 1 above.

Articles 3, 5, 9, 12, 13, 18, 19, 20.1, 23.1, 25.1, 27 and 30 in the UN Declaration of Human Rights are all being trampled upon.

In addition to the above Articles 3, 4, 8, 16, 25, 26 and 41 in the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union are all being trampled upon.”

Wonder if this will get a response?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Excellent. 👍

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

Re link to Ripped Gym (Harlow) staying open. The owner was apparently arrested on Thursday, detained over night and due to be on video link call on MONDAY !

That’s some swift injustice. For a court system under “so much pressure”.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

If we had a written constitution we could reign in Government and police

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

Interesting thread again about the missing intermediary of Sars-Cov2.Contrast this how much we know now of C-19 jumping from humans to animals, tigers, minks and then back again. But the Chinese has not found the original intermediary for the human C-19.

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1324791547355955200
 
“The situation is actually reversed. For SARS1, it took years to confirm bats as the reservoir (intermediate hosts were found within weeks-months). But for SARS2, we already knew from the beginning that bats in Yunnan are the reservoir, but the intermediates are still missing.”.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

The mink story is rubbish. Ignore it. We have confirmed cases of Cats with Covid – we are not killing cats (yet)

We had the same bullshit stories coming out of Holland in the summer. Although I don’t remember a nice flat figure of 200 infections being reported.

Last edited 4 years ago by Leemc23
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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

There was some talk of pangolins being the intermediate. Has that now been ruled out?

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Dr Chan is very well researched in this matter and she states that an intermediate host has not been found although earlier, pangolins were suspected but never proved.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

Any interest in my post on the forum about an effective petition?

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

This is what it said:

What type of petition could actually be effective?
Post 07 Nov 2020 09:55

This is not an area of expertise for me, but having signed a petition intended to prevent lockdown 2, I was very disappointed to see the low number of signatories

So, could there be any mileage in some of these ideas?

Suggested objective

To ensure that an appropriate debate takes place in advance of decisions being made at the end of this lockdown

How could it be effective?

Word it in such a way that it sounds reasonable and worthwhile to those who are not already sceptics – and actually appeals to them and in no way antagonises them

Be specific enough to ensure that the right spectrum of views are heard in the debate. Perhaps naming specific organisations to be represented

Say how the debate should take place, what will be the output from it and who will be responsible for conducting the debate and producing the output

Specify that the output will be considered in a parliamentary debate

Determine how to best publicise the existence of the petition

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Sounds a bit like the “5 reasonable demands” being made by Recovery https://timeforrecovery.org/#reasons

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

The BCG TB vaccine is 70-80% effective for the bacterial form of TB but less so for the respiratory form of TB.

So in theory, having had the BCG I remain quite at “risk” for TB.

SARS-Covid vaccine is likely to reduce symptoms – which I would likely not have – and will not impact on mortality rates in any sense.

So should I not be shitting my pants about TB every day ? Especially so when I see the amount of people who have a tendency to spit on the streets ?

What am I missing. ?

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captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
4 years ago

Looks like it will be easy to buy mink-skin face masks in Denmark this Christmas.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago

Just took a look at the Guardian article that Will Jones recommended (above the line). There doesn’t seem to be any place for comments – I thought all Guardian articles allowed comments?

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

No. The opposite. Most Guardian articles don’t permit comments, and if they are allowed they are heavily moderated. Any comment not adhering to the propaganda being pushed in the article is invariably deleted. This is especially so when the article has a political correctness angle.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Thanks Trenchy – the only other article I looked at (last week) I was able to comment on.

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Who still reads the guardian or any newspaper I haven’t for years avoid the BBC and SKY

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Good god, no! The Groan is heavily censored – both at that stage and at the stage of editing comments.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

No. Only the “Opinion” pieces – and that might have stopped since I stopped reading them months ago.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

That letter from that school is awesome. Sounds just like something Mr. Joseph Goebbels would have said.

About the

“Hospital Admissions with COVID-19 in England Flat For 10 Days”

Since when FACTS or actual numbers matters?!

All that matters is the PROPHECY…

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Richard G Brooke
Richard G Brooke
4 years ago

Did you read the bit about the army barcoding children at Broadgreen school?
It sounds like tatooing prisoners in Auschwitz.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard G Brooke

Funny how a few years ago when the trains of migrants were heading into Hungary, the Hungarians set up a triage centre to rapidly process people. They ended up writing numbers on their arms with a marker pen just to get some idea of who’s who.

And what did some in the liberal media accuse them off?

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard G Brooke

And the bizarre school “logo” with all those foreign characters. How weird and sinister

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  kf99

The logo is just pretentious bollox to signal their internationalness.

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard G Brooke

Scousechwitz …

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Jay Berger
Jay Berger
4 years ago

There is a new article on the doctor in Sweden’s site about the false positive and specificity problems of the PCR tests.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/
A few readers comment on the various numbers of cycles used around the world: Fauci: over 35 is Meaningless, UK:37-41 used, Germany 45 used, at least originally, NFL: using 30 and as such: no/very few cases and, most interestingly: Australia using only 24 cycles-no wonder they are Covid-free, at that CT number, the whole world would be Covid-free!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

There are NO PROBLEMS with PCR (by the way PCR is not a test!)

The only “problem” is that the scoundrels started this entire OPERATION not controlling the CRITERIA… But since I’m talking to the Wind, never mind!

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

You are right! There really is no point in continuing to communicate with we moron slaves at LS. Please don’t feel that you need to waste any more of your tine.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

All Charlie Blue is saying is a repeat of Kary Mullis’s very clear point – that PCR simply shows what it shows (and that is heavily dependent on the Ct number). It’s the interpretation of what’s shown that is the problem, not the process itself – e.g. what are the odds that you have identified an irrelevant RNA fragment as opposed to an infectious viral load?

As said – it is not a diagnostic test, and shouldn’t be used as such

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Little Charlie did not said that!

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Blue

C’mon little Charlie! Don’t be like Them…

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  Voz 0db

Whenever I explain it to anyone (and apologies, I do have a degree for Imperial College) I couch it in terms that it is being used in a way it was never intended and at such high amplification cycles it could find pretty much anything. Most people on here know that but the general public don’t so I’m not sure why you say you are talking to the wind unless you mean away from this forum.

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

Yes… Outside this little bubble of fellow slaves that – large majority – understands that PCR is not a test, I’m indeed talking to the wind.

My deepest condolences on the degree.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

Monday’s attendance figures for that Liverpool school will be an interesting barometer of public opinion.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

I do wish they would stop referring to pupils as ‘students’. Students go to university, not to school.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Yeah – next it will be ‘Kindergarden students’

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Kindergarten students have already happened.
A colleague told me a couple of years ago that he was taking the afternoon off work because his daughter was “graduating from nursery school”.
I’m afraid I couldn’t contain the snorts of derision.

Last edited 4 years ago by TheOriginalBlackPudding
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Steve Martin
Steve Martin
4 years ago
Reply to  TheOriginalBlackPudding

An 18 year old girl once introduced herself to me as my Grandaughter’s ‘key worker’. My Grandaughter was 3!

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Do students “go” to uni though? 😉

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Richard G Brooke
Richard G Brooke
4 years ago

Off to a protest now in Stroud. I’ll put it to the police that only dicatorships prevent political meetings. But then if a government statistic (zero covid) is the only criteria when it comes to our rights, we are all completely at their mercy. What will the next statistic be?

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Mutineer
Mutineer
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard G Brooke

Love Stroud, We visit frequently but the last time was back in the good old days in February although the floods made life difficult. Little did we know that worse was to come. So many independent traders who must be going through hell. Wish I could have been there. Good luck.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard G Brooke

My grandmother was born in Stroud. Good luck with the rally. Hope it’s well attended.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

I was born there – pre-trendy times. My family were ‘okkard’ buggers from up the valleys who would have, with great humour, thoroughly taken the piss out of anyone wearing a face mask and believing that Armageddon had come.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard G Brooke

What’s the police approach? – Engage, Explain, Encourage, Enforce? If you can keep them at the first two stages and do your own bit of explaining you’ll be doing a great job.

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Richard G Brooke
Richard G Brooke
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

So I’m back now after about an hour at the protest. Happily the police from Stroud carried no batons unlike the Met. The organisers went to great pains to welcome the police and ensure no trouble happened. By the time I left they’d arrested two people, one of whom seemed to be bystander, the other an organiser. I harangued the police for arresting her but they didn’t seem to have orders to arrest me so I didn’t get to spend any time in the cells, unlike Piers Corbyn who should have been at Stroud, but was arrested in London and had to appear in a Bromley court instead.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

exactly – and the longer you can drag it out the better – an hour’s worth of them engaging & explaining means an hour’s less hassling everyone else for no good reason…

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard G Brooke

Yes i was at Stroud also – my first protest ever – just wish it was for different circumstances and not for the freedom in this country!!
There were loads of police – out to make a point in my opinion and they made about 4 arrests I think. I was standing alone about 10m away from the gathering and couple of coppers came up to me to say ‘go home’ blah blah. So I moved to the other side of the crowd. They picked on individuals/vulnerable rather then a group of 6ft bruisers. Toward the end a whole group came along to disperse the people.
When over i saw the police take photos of themselves in the carpark – obviously the highlight of their career having a protest (i took a pic of them)
Overall it was peaceful except when the police picked out a target to arrest and bit of skirmish but i kept out the mayhem.
Amazing friendly people and all talking to each other – had a great conversation and laughs with a group of folks afterwards. People seem to be isolated as their current circle are not on same wavelength, certainly true for me, and a need to reach out to similar mindsets.

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Funkmaster
Funkmaster
4 years ago

Yep, it’s mindblowing isn’t it!
As the great, much lamented George Carlin said: ”People are fuckin’ dumb! Realise how stupid the average person is, and then realise half the population are dumber than that!”

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago

It proves that even though most people are completely taken in by the propaganda they can’t rationalise what it means in reality,the level of ignorance is frightening.

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Steve Hayes
Steve Hayes
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

It sounds like cognitive dissonance.

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Watt
Watt
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Looks like cognitive dissonance, walks like CD, talks full on CD……could be chronic CD. It’s a CD pandemic, folks!

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Liam
Liam
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Oh God no ☹️

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dorset dumpling
dorset dumpling
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I saw two of those this morning on the owner and his wife in a deli.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I was dreading this, disgraceful. Fucking idiots who should be ashamed.

Stay strong 👊

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Paul
Paul
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

My wife came back from the shops last week and asked me what was it with the fancy masks some zombies had on,I said it’s because they are twats and my wife replied,’Yes,that’s what I thought’ !.

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willhhand
willhhand
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

My dog is called Poppy! Trouble is I cannot get her fucking mask to stay on. She’s a granny killer for sure!

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  willhhand

There was a TV advert months ago that I think this was taken from thats as to show us humans the wrong and correct ways to wear the muzzle, I’m sure of it as Mrs Awkward and I can remember commenting on it at the time.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

One house round here has both “Every Poppy Counts” and “Thank You NHS” in their window. Not getting the irony at all.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I knew it would come.
I bet Welby wears one.
DisGUSTING.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

Great comment from ‘George Mc’ at off-guardian:

“Get to the real point: the underlying restructuring which COVID is a cover for. At present, this means the increasing immiseration of the population, the increasing deaths (not caused DIRECTLY by the virus), the reprogramming of the Western citizen mentality to a desperate deferential peasant mind, the deliberate destruction of the public services, the gutting of all social safety nets and the final transfer of social life to a virtual realm.”

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/04/the-gunpowder-plot-and-second-lockdown-on-5-november/

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Chilling!

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago

Announcing the Freedom of Common Law. A MUST WATCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxb5djfP7_s&feature=youtu.be

Last edited 4 years ago by Andrew
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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Inspiring. Let’s hope they pull it off!

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago

Just been speaking to my neighbour who’s an occupational therapist and has regular contact with hospitals. She said one hospital has nurses cleaning floors as they have nothing to do.

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Then the Nurses are totally complicit for not speaking out. Signing non disclosure contracts cuts no ice – it is a matter of right vs wrong.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Actually a useful thing for them to do. In Addenbrookes hospital a few years back, the floor in my elderly, diabetic dad’s ward was so filthy that he left hospital with a serious infection in one foot that travelled up his leg and turned the flesh black. Yes, they discharged him like that.
Nurses refused to mop the floor because of ‘demarcation’.

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

1970s car factories come to mind

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Steve Martin
Steve Martin
4 years ago

I cannot believe that such a poorly constructed letter was written by someone employed in the education system. That aside, to talk about children and bar codes is utterly chilling. Our army should not be used in this way. If the majority of parents allow this then the game is well and truly over. I can probably expect a tank to roll down my street and receive a knock on my door in the near future. I wish I knew the real reason for this madness.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve Martin

The letter is a disgrace. If that is the level of literacy of the teachers, gawd help the children (especially those who grow up without books).

As for barcodes – not worth getting upset about. It’s just a machine-readable encoding of a number and we are all identified by numbers all over the place e.g. school registration number, NI Number, customer number…. From a systems perspective, it’s much better using that than handling multiple transcription errors. But given that a card or piece of paper on which a barcode is printed will probably get lost or damaged in no time flat….
Obviously, some of us here might be only too happy to see the system crash and burn but it can probably do that without the help of transcription errors.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  TheOriginalBlackPudding

just wait till they plant a chip in your body to record all this stuff and more…

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mr ben
mr ben
4 years ago

Is fullfact.org to be trusted?
I’ve just been looking at this:
https://fullfact.org/online/PCR-test-coronavirus/

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  mr ben

No, they are compromised.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Here’s some donors:

https://fullfact.org/about/funding/

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Yes – they’re a propaganda shill organisation.

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jojo
jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  mr ben

I used to trust them. But in the topic of COVID, they seem biased. 

An example in the page you linked: “PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test, which looks for the virus’s genetic material to see if someone currently has Covid-19. ”

It then doesn’t mention the possibility of picking up fragments of dead virus from old infections. Even BBC has reported Prof Carl Heneghan’s study on this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54000629

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  mr ben

back in the summer when flu/pneumonia deaths exceeded covid Fullfact attempted to explain away the ONS Statistics as a misunderstanding. Given the figures were presented in two columns it was hard not to misunderstand!

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Bailie
Bailie
4 years ago

From the beginning of this “pandemic” governments around the world, under the pretext of protecting us, have ensured the death toll over the next few years will rocket. For example, lack of cancer screening, lack of GP and hospital services, keeping people inside and out of the sun( a source of vitamin d), adding stress due to lockdown is job losses, social isolation, and not forgetting the cull of the elderly by the state. The list goes on.
For me the answer to all this has to be Agenda 21/30. Depopulation by loss of healthcare, promotion of abortion, and encouragement of euthanasia (not including a possible sterilisation programme by stealth).
Movement of people out of countryside. In the DM today Boris is trying to turn Exmoor in a rewilding zone, regardless of the farms there.
Cashless society…doing their best.
Again the list goes on.
In the film “Independence Day” the Jeff Goldblum character realizes that the alien ships are forming into an attack pattern. With Biden as President, are there many countries left whose leaders are not acting the same way, using the same techniques, the same language?
Is the final attack about to commence?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

When May called the Conservative Party the Nasty Party, she was misquoted, it should have been the Nazi Party.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Labour have been equally as bad.

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Who?

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dpj
dpj
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Definitely, last 8 months should have been easiest time ever to be the opposition party and they’ve blown it spectacularly.

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

The term “they are all the same” has never been so apt.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Led by that well known trilateral commission member Sir Keir Starmer.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Killer Starmer!

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alw
alw
4 years ago

Out and about in Primrose Hill today, as busy as a summer Sunday afternoon. However no children’s football clubs. WTF. These children see one another at school everyday. Why is Premier League football ok, but no football for children who are not at risk? Boris, Hancock a new all the MPs who voted for this latest lockdown are the greatest danger to the health, well-being and economy of this country.

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Hear hear. My grandson had just got back into the football and really enjoying it, there is absolutely no need for this to be stopped. Too many kids today spend most of their time exercising their thumbs and nothing else, this is simply encouraging bad habits and lifestyle. If anyone was allowed to asked our despotic leader any questions other than pre planned ones, there have been so many idiotic decisions made that there is not a cat in hells chance he would be able to justify any of them.

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James
James
4 years ago

There are times when being a law abiding citizen is morally reprehensible. I think this is one of these times.

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
4 years ago

My first thought when I saw that top picture was, I’m glad that’s not me. Then I suddenly realised that it would never have been me because I wouldn’t have a test. I do know that some people have no choice because of the bully boy tactics going on in some work places, this lady however looks past working age.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

A poster on here last week (can’t recall who) mentioned fighting dirty in this disinformation war. Did anything more come of this? I ask because almost every year someone whips up a storm by having their St George flag taken down or poppy mural painted over. I’d have thought the current febrile dystopia lends itself well to similar accusations of oppression.

Last edited 4 years ago by Tom Blackburn
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Victor
Victor
4 years ago

50% accurate? What are they using to test it against – the PCR test? The same deeply flawed test that is run at a cycle threshold of 35-45 which they know cycling over 30 is not medically reliable and should be pitched?

There are other much more reliable test (5-15 minutes!) coming on the market. why weren’t those chosen? I suspect someone in Government is making some money with this particular test.

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D B
D B
4 years ago

Afternoon all, obviously we’re all alive and well because we don’t run about with foul rags on our faces – I am going to be heading to the Cenotaph on Whitehall tomorrow for a self observed 2 minute silence at 11am. Hopefully we can gather, would be great if more could do the same. They paid the ultimate price for the freedoms that have been robbed from us.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/06/face-masks-a-danger-to-our-planet-our-children-ourselves/

From Cory Morningstar.

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alw
alw
4 years ago

“So the government are encouraging you to report your neighbours if they don’t follow the new rules. Before following this advice you should really consider the fact the government won’t be there to help you jump start your car or lend you tools or a cup of sugar if you needed it.”

Does anyone know who can I ring to report 
gatherings and parties on my road?? I’m sure there’s more than 15 ppl and they should all know that it’s not allowed with the new ‘law’ that has just passed 🤬
It’s unfair that we’re in a middle of a pandemic and people don’t care about this deadly virus. They are having a bbq, drinks, playing loud music and I think I can smell weed as well 🤯
I’m getting absolutely pissed off at the thought how many people will get infected. 
Where can I report it?
🤬 😡 🤬 😡 🤬 😡 😡 😳
🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

False alarm, I’ve just been invited 🤫 💃
Sorry for the trouble 😂 😂 😂

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Thing is, a lot of people will actually think like this. Prepared to grass others up but still break restrictions if they know they can get away with it. May also explain these ludicrous polls which appear to strongly support govt measures – people say they support them because they want to appear virtuous and expect others to comply with measures, but secretly they probably break them too.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

That – and the polls are blatantly rigged.

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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago

I read this interesting article about PCR testing that was posted late on yesterday’s comments by Swedenborg.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-rt-pcr-test-how-mislead-all-humanity-accepting-societal-lock-downs

I am reasonably scientifically literate but I still just don’t understand how the amplification process works and why it becomes unreliable after c30 cycles.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

If somebody was prepared to explain it simply I would be most grateful.It seems pretty central to this whole shit sandwich.

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Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

Simply google CEBM (Centre for Evidence Based Medicine) PCR test. All the detail is there.

Last edited 4 years ago by Monro
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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

There is also some really good stuff here:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

As I understand it the PCR as used is looking for a particular genetic sequence. A sequence which may have a variety of sources. The ampliication process is analogous to zooming in, in order to examine a sample more and more minutely. The amplification is exponential.

Take a look at your kitchen floor. It looks fairly clean I suppose. Yet, the more minutely you examine it, the more ‘impurities’ of various sorts world be found. A forensic analyst equipped with something akin to a PCR could probably find all sorts of stuff in miniscule amounts on that floor, but none of it is important because the quantiities are so minute.

Kary Muullis – the inventor of PCR – claimes that it is capable of ‘finding almost anything in anybody’, because each person contains an incredible variety of different molecules in the body, However, the PCR is not suitable or diagnosis, because it says nohing bout the clinical significance of something being found , possibly in extremely minute quantities.

Bear in mind also that the PCR is allegedly searching or a genetic sequence that orms part of a virus, not the virus itself – hence the possibility of other sources. Here’s Mullis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_cMF_s-fzc

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Anthony
Anthony
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

This is how I understand it: The thermal cycling during PCR causes amplification which is reliant upon the hybridisation of PCR primers on to template DNA. The specificity of this primer comes from the fact that the sequences of primer and template are complementary therefore the primer should only prime amplification when that specific sequence is present. Yo can however get non specific priming of primer and template when sequences aren’t exactly complementary causing nonspecific amplification. This is largely controlled by high temperatures during cycling process which is designed to allow specific sequences to bind together whereas non-exact sequences will be ‘ripped apart’ by thermal energy and therefore will not prime (perfectly hybridised sequences will require high temp due to greater bond strength). I think that, despite this tight control of temperatures, some non specific amplification will still inevitably occur which, if cycled enough, may eventually lead to a strong enough signal (from in built PCR probes) to cross given positive threshold for assay in question.
Again, this is what I’m guessing and I’m not sure what measures assays may have in place to help distinguish between non specific and target amplification.

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Henry
Henry
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

Just to add to other comments which are accurate. The main reason you get a signal when no RNA virus is present is not because it’s detecting anything, it’s because the process works using a fluorescent tag which exponentially increases if the nucleotides are able to fill in during replication. At high cycle numbers there are a number of reasons why binding occurs and fluorescence increases (primer-dimers to weak similar strand amplification). Usually, these results (above a threshold cut-off) are discarded or taken with a pinch of salt and don’t prove anything in scientific terms without additional scientific techniques alongside. But when it comes to using it for a test of such nature, it would seem imperative to minimize false negatives through increasing specificity i.e. being cautious.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago

Out on my morning jog this morning thought i would take a detour via the local testing centre.

Fuck me, packed, I couldn’t move*

*Could really, empty.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

True story, honest guv

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Old Normal
Old Normal
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

My local one has been closed for weeks. It was open for about a month with a few visits per day.

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rose
rose
4 years ago

Just asked the cashier in Aldi how many staff have had Covid 19 since March. She said NONE

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  rose

Or all of them if they have stoically soldiered on with their asymptomatic ‘illness’ without getting tested

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

That’s why they are frontline heroes.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Same as our Morrison’s.

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davews
davews
4 years ago

Listening just now to Money Box on BBC Radio 4 – the only BBC programme I am listening to nowadays. It seems that people who request a home COVID test kit are asked for ID – reasonable – but they do it via one of the credit agencies. But unless you have a bad credit record, or if it seems you opt out of the open version of the electoral register, you may not have any record there. Incredible cock up.

(I am opted out of the open register by choice as it is largely used for spam mailing purposes)

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

It seems that people who request a home COVID test kit are asked for ID – reasonable – but they do it via one of the credit agencies.

What? Shocking!!!! Another small print omitted from the official narrative

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago

New contenders for the front of the queue to be put up against the wall.
Scum who actually make/order face nappies for 5 year olds, closely followed by the parents who make their 5 year olds wear em.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Absolutely. I’d like to start making a log of such crimes but am too lazy

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Me too.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago

Zombies zombies everywhere, pecking at their muzzzles, touching their face, gloriously unaware they have given away their freedom.

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

I always say pardon, not difficult as muzzled up people ARE difficult to understand when they speak..

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

If looks could kill there really would be a pandemic. I would be the next Harold Shipman…sorry Matt handcock

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Pete Sutton
Pete Sutton
4 years ago

Broadgreen International School needs educating in the use of diacriticals.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

Poloce or PCSOs in Sainburys https://twitter.com/HappyHarryMedia/status/1325014056198172672

One thing I’m not clear about is that they have the right to ask why you are not wearing a mask but is it correct that the words “exempt” are all that is required?

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

To shopworkers. I think PCSOs, Plod and Covid Wombles are allowed to probe a little further.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Not according to the guidance, and as no medial consultation is required you can seemingly self exempt yourself. Something like anxiety is a perfectly reasonable reason to give I would suspect.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

You are not required by law to answer ANY question that a police officer asks you. FULL STOP

They also commit a disciplinary offence of falsehood by falsely claiming that they have powers that they don’t have

Trust me I know

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

There are exceptions

You must give your name and address if driving a motor vehicle or on licensed premises

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

In that case – may I ask you please to establish a central source of reliable information for us. We urgently need it. One of my friends was arrested and fined on Thursday. Could he have avoided the fine by refusing his consent under the Common Law?

This is getting urgent now, of immediate importance. I had hoped that the lawyers at the top (Lord Sumption etc) would step up and provide this type of info pro bono for us all to use.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rosie
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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Arrested for what, Rosie?

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Just for clarity, it wasn’t me!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

The law doesn’t require you to provide proof

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

She doesn’t even know the law.

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Female plod needs to get her hands out of her pockets. It makes her look slovenly.

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mr ben
mr ben
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

I was under the impression the Police do have the right to ask you but not shop workers.
I didn’t like their manner but it was typical of a brainless plod.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  mr ben

he eventually told the police th reason for exemption but he was still told to leave the store

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Yep, that’s all that is required under the law.

You can voluntarily give more info but this comes under confidential medical records and these require a court order to get which is why they cannot ask further

Go to laworfiction.com as they have a lot more on there about this.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/

https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

The premises can make a mask etc a condition of entry if they want and this is legal (similar to dress codes in pubs etc) and if they do you can either just walk away or give them a notice of conditional acceptance to sign (been posted on here many times) or quote the equalities and discrimination laws at them and see if they back down – print up one of these to go through in this case:

https://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Cunstable

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

The police are a f*ucking disgrace.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Can I have her collar number. she’s going on the list

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That list must be getting pretty big.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Can you add Ross Kemp to the list. Cheers

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Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

I would just say distress if there isn’t a physical health issue. This will send them on their way. I would then make a formal complaint to Sainsburys as who brought in the Police in the first place? Was it a staff member?

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Shocking!!!!!!!!

Get this to Simon Dolan’s twitter feed.

Very clear police harassed the person. They told him it is against the law not to have a mask on despite the fact that he said on more than one occasion that he is exempt. He even told them the reason.

Make a complaint to police and to sainsbury’s. Sainsbury’s obviously condoning the police in harassing the customers for no reason.

In future vote with your feet – do not buy from them again.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

As above, it was not me!

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The sign about mask wearing at the entrance to my nearest Sainsbury’s does mention exemptions, something like “You must wear a face covering unless you are exempt”. Sainsbury’s presumably have a corporate policy but some over-zealous staff may take it upon themselves to ignore exemptions.

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

I read somewhere that Sainsburys can provide exemption lanyards on request from the customer service desk.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Both Simon and Laurence Fox have retweeted this – am sure many more

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Police cannot ask you about your exemption. There is nothing at all in the legislation about challenging exemption, it just lists some, and says the list is “not limited to…”.

If you *refuse* to wear a face covering (which is different from being exempt), you are breaking the law, and then a PC, PCSO or person designated by the secretary of state can “direct you to wear a face covering” or “direct you to leave the store”.

If you are exempt, they should not challenge you and you are not required to provide any proof of exemption. Again, the law makes no mention of this at all, but ‘guidance’ clearly states you should not be challenged and do not need to show proof.

If I know this from looking at two government documents, why don’t the police?

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

With so many plods engaged in the enforcement of these stupid rules how on earth are they keeping up with the equally important work of checking that nobody has made a comment on Arsebook or Twitter that might have upset a snowflake?

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Watt
Watt
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

This is correct. I travel regularly on the mass transit in London, wander through the shops and supermarkets. I’ve been challenged only once, told them I get episodes, fits and spasms if forced to wear a muzzle and that did the trick!

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago

I emailed the school in the main update, simply asking for an explanation regarding the legality of what they want to do.

I think it’d be good if lots of us emailed them.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

I’m actually hoping they go ahead with it and attendance is zero

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

Seen this? https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1325016140213575682

Saying the people of Liverpool have embraced mass testing and that isolation camps will be set up soon…

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

That is surely a fake Schwab account.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Is it though?
Klaus Schwab
@_Klaus_Schwab
Engineer, Economist. Chairman and founder of the World Economic Forum @wef

#OwnNothingBeHappy
Global https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1fa-1f1f3.svg weforum.org

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Joined Oct 2020. I would say fake

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Where is his official Twitter site? Surely he has one..

Would a parody account be bothering with congratulating Biden on his win?

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

I agree it seems odd for him (if it’s him) to be so blatant….

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

The other posts seem to be piss takes also.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

It does say something in itself, if it is not easy to discern a piss-take fom the real thing.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I find no blue ticked profile for the man; found this one that looks as official as the one I quoted, but this one has no tweets.

https://twitter.com/KlausSchwabWEF
It does take time to get a blue tick..

The other ‘players’ in all this have Twitter accounts – it would make sense for him to have one…

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Brilliant strategy. Telling people the worst case scenario

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Brilliant strategy for whom? This looks like classic psyops making the camps into a reality, first in people’s minds and then on the ground.

Fear-porn needs exposing.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Another few gems from Klaus Schwab:
https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1324628379354714112 (not a human right to breathe fresh air)
https://twitter.com/_Klaus_Schwab/status/1324624518380425216 (fake food)

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SAVED2DEATH
SAVED2DEATH
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

I have also emailed thus’ Dear Miss Ms P Towey,
I have read your latest letter to the parents of the children that attend your school and I am appalled that you are letting the army undertake mass screening of your pupils for covid-19 without taking informed consent from them or their parents. This practise is an infringement of their human rights and I find it extremely troubling. It will be upsetting for the pupils and I feel strongly that you should not allow the army to do this on school property and that pupils and their parents should be given detailed information regarding the, as yet non-validated, screening test which is known to produce very unreliable results. yours’

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago

https://youtu.be/lXgkuM2NhYI

We could be heroes just for 1 day

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Have fun:

https://www.broadgreeninternationalschool.com/our-school/contact-us

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

My fun, part 1:

Ms. Towey,

It is with increasing concern I read of your school on the internet (http://www.lockdownsceptics.org) and the letter you sent to parents about the testing of all children for covid-19 next week and the authoritarian, totalitarian direction you are heading in.

Especially worrying are the comments “each child and adult will be identified with a unique barcode” and “Under normal conditions parental permission is sought for the testing of children, however under these very challenging and unprecedented circumstances that is not possible”.

The last Government that carried out something similar on a selected segment of the population that was then used to enforce draconian restrictions on their movements and quality of life were the National Socialists in Germany in the 1930s. 

How apt that in this week of all weeks when part of the Remembrance is to honour those who fought and died in World War II from 1939-1945 to free Europe and the world from this type of tyranny this country is emulating exactly the same type of edict.

I suggest that you read these documents and see how many articles you are breaking:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/charter/pdf/text_en.pdf
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft_articles/7_1_1950.pdf
I received a FOI request answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

The full FOI request and answer is available if you wish it.

It also linked to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.

The full FOI answer is available from myself if you require it.

PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor a quantitive test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.

So with this in mind I have sent FOI requests to both various local Councils and authorities asking:

1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?

2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?

3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?

4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?

5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?

6 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance (not the legislation but the supporting documentation) that has been supplied to local Councils that justify local lockdowns, business closures and isolation of segments of the population based on an unreliable test that does not mean the person is infected with anything, that has high false positive rates and no independent verification the results are correct?

7 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that has been supplied to local Councils that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test that is outwith it’s intended use by it’s inventors.

Every answer I received back, regardless of Council rod evolved assembly so far state this or something similar:

“I am writing to advise you that, I have established that the information you requested is not held by XXXX Council.

The information is not held because our Public Health Team have advised that we are not able to respond to your request as all testing is commissioned by DHSC.

I can advise however, that you may be able to gain the requested data by directing your enquiry to the NHS.”

Then there is this momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.” 
Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-
It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

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alw
alw
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

“I have been sent this by a concerned parent of a sixth former at a boarding school, who was sent it in turn. It is atrocious and would appear to amount to false imprisonment. It is all too typical o…”

A thread from @Francis_Hoar
https://threader.app/thread/1324757481889869826

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

I’m still keen to know how they secure the child who tests positive. Perhaps we could ask for details. Is it an empty room? What if parent is working far away and cannot collect for hours? Are they brought food by a masked teacher in full PPE? ….. the mind boggles.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

My fun, part 2 (part 1 awaiting moderation, will appear soon)

With all this in mind, how can you justify the compulsory forced testing of children without their parent’s consent using a test that is unfit for the purpose to which you are using it and that if positive means absolutely nothing medically?

I am glad that my children are now grown adults because if they were at a school that was acting in this manner I would do my utmost to have the person(s) responsible removed from their position and ensure they never held a position of responsibility again as they are unfit for these positions.

Remember Nuremberg Principle III and IV.

Yours sincerely

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Mental capacity act, assault and battery. Safeguarding. No implied consent must be fully informed. Headteacher cannot act in loco parentis. Some of the pupils at the school will be 18. 16/17 can consent or refuse but it must be informed consent.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

Yes – this becomes common assault, I reckon.

The problem is the usual one of making acceptance of threatened measures a condition of participation.

I’m sure there is a legal remedy – but it’s the old, old story of the cost and time required for the ordinary citizen.

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

As a healthcare professional I cannot examine a child without their parents consent but I always explain to the child what I am going to do, in age appropriate language.
The letter from the head teacher is appalling, showing a complete disregard for the rights of the child, never mind the parents. It smacks of a box ticking exercise looking for some sort of recognition for the school.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  p02099003

The school has likely been offered some financial bribe – money for a new classroom or something like that. Plus a brown envelope of cash for the headteacher…

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Mrs S
Mrs S
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Dear Ms Towey

I hear that you have invited non medical personel to carry out a medical procedure on healthy children whose guardians have not provided informed consent. This is a clear breach of national and international laws. It amounts to assault and in allowing this to happen in your school you are making yourself and your school liable to prosecution.

For your own sake please consult a lawyer before participating in this breach of medical ethics.

For your information I would draw your attention to the Nuremburg Code and Helsink Declaration https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-declaration-of-helsinki-ethical-principles-for-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/

Firstly, i would direct you to provision 12 which states that, “Medical research involving human subjects must be conducted only by individuals with the appropriate ethics and scientific education, training and qualifications. Research on patients or healthy volunteers requires the supervision of a competent and appropriately qualified physician or other health care professional.”

Secondly, i direct you to provisions 25 and 26 which state that informed consent must be given.

Finally I direct you to provision 8,
“While the primary purpose of medical research is to generate new knowledge, this goal can never take precedence over the rights and interests of individual research subjects.”

I doubt the people directing this mass testing are aware of the law, however, it is vital that you inform yourself as ignorance will be no defence.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Telegraph already talking up a third wave, (the pompously titled global health security team as sponsored by Gates – 3.5 million)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/europe-track-third-wave-covid-unless-lessons-summer-heeded-ecdc/

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Hinting at third lockdowns. I expect one in late January, and it’ll be our fault for “not following the rules” at Christmas.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Late January? I’m expecting it on Boxing Day.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

Possible, but they need Parliament back to rubberstamp it. Plus a week or two of fresh hysteria to ‘sell’ it.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

The Telegraph is very useful. On the one hand there are a few proper sceptical articles, and on the other hand there are all the nudging articles (gov/Gates propaganda) that tell us what they are going to do next.

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2 pence
2 pence
4 years ago

Mystery death of the Briton who revealed Covid cover-up
https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1324980351522004992

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Comments interesting. Not taken in by the DM’s hints that he died of ‘long covid’
I hope the truth, innocent explanation or otherwise, comes out.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago

Can any of the left wing members on here help me out here. I am not on the Left and am an academic whose colleagues pretty much all are. I am struggling to reach them even though I think there is a very strong left wing case against lockdowns. They claim to be concerned about the poor and the disadvantaged and yet when I point out that it is they who (not least those in the third world) will be mainly affected by the lockdowns they seem indifferent.

I know the Guardian and the Independent and the BBC are their bibles and the Labour Party is their political vehicle and it does not help that those media outlets are so pro lockdown but even so why cannot they think for themselves about this? They just hide behind ‘terrible numbers of deaths’ etc but seem blind to the costs of lockdown. They are all comfortably off so is it just that their ‘concern for the poor’ is just what they say to be popular at the dinner parties or are they just paralysed by fear? Any ideas on how to get through to left wing lockdown zealots?

Not that I am saying the Right have been much better. There are plenty of lockdown zealots on the Right and people like Jacob Rees Mogg go round making the pathetic plea that Boris really loves liberty while Pritti Patel has turned into a nasty little authoritarian. These are people who even Toby and James Delingpole have waxed lyrical about only 9 months ago. Meanwhile Nigel Farage himself was a lockdown zealot in the early days and is clearly an untrustworthy opportunist.

I think it goes to show we should never be taken in by politicians from any part of the spectrum….they can all turn into something quite different when it suits. Maybe we need freedoms written into a constitution that cannot be violated by any government….I believe thats why Japan was unable to bring in lockdowns.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Like The Human Rights Act?

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cloud6
cloud6
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Is that a Joke?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

https://dailysceptic.org/the-left-wing-case-against-lockdowns/

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Thanks I had not seen that it looks great…..much obliged.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Interesting, the MP’s who all voted for lockdown with the government should read it

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Ask them why they did nothing when 64,000 plus people died in one month in Jan 2018? More than Coronavirus has allegedly “killed” in 8.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Thanks and yes I have tried that and they have no answer!

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Is there a FOI request to be made to see EXACTLY how the government has dispersed it propaganda budget? I’d hazard a guess that The Guardian received a lion’s share as – whatever you think of their politics now – back in March, they are the ‘paper’ I’d have picked out as most trustworthy. I’m sure HM govt have made the same calculation. The BBC are a separate beast altogether and couldn’t wait to drop Auntie’s knickers.

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Andy Riley
Andy Riley
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Here is Heiko Khoo at Speakers Corner. Marxist and friend of Piers Corbyn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08qc_6Te8j8

And a good interview with Paul Embery FBU and Labour member:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvAphpNCkZY&t=3s
Not specifically lockdown related but informative blue Labour view of why the modern left loathes the working class.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Andy Riley

Thanks Andy really enjoyed both of those. Embery sounds a very decent man.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Remember it’s a cult. There is nothing you can do

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

You can resist.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Yes maybe David Koresh will get in touch with them from the other side and ask them to start building some bonfires!

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

You do know it was the Feds who set Koresh’s building on fire ? Killing 74 men, women, and children.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

That was exactly what Sir Charles Walker was suggesting in his speech in the HoC on Wednesday. I have experience of academia, and I have real sympathy for your situation – non-left wing voices are in their own private echo chamber. Their mouths are fed with gold, so it will be nigh on impossible to convince them of anything. The day of reckoning is round the corner, however – if the papers haven’t been accepted by the end of the year for REF2021 there will be little teaching-only positions left to fall back on now that all the slide packs are loaded to the system!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Late on yesterday’s comments thread is a discussion initiated by Country Mumkin about her GP friend’s ultra left-wing views. You’ll find that helpful I think BBS, and agree as regards NigelF, though he can help our cause used cautiously.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Ok thanks Rosie I shall try and find that thread. I am still smarting with Farage for withdrawing the Brexit Party candidate in Telford and forcing me to vote for the Tory just to get Brexit done. I shall never vote for any liblabcon again.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

“Not that I am saying the Right have been much better. There are plenty of lockdown zealots on the Right and people like Jacob Rees Mogg go round making the pathetic plea that Boris really loves liberty while Pritti Patel has turned into a nasty little authoritarian.“

There is a sense in which the whole basis of coronapanic and lockdown is fundamentally leftist – ideas of collective, state mediated coercive action for the supposed “greater good” are the essence of leftism, as is the idea of (supposedly) reasoned radicalism to change the world for the better. This, I think, is why support for panic and lockdowns has mostly been driven by the left – Guardian/BBC/trade unions/academe/SAGE etc. That’s where the hysterical accusations of herd immunity being “eugenics” and “putting,money ahead of lives” came from in February and March,.that basically rendered the sensible Swedish-style response politically impossible in the UK in March, for instance.

That said, there is a strong leftist case against lockdown, as you wrote (and see Toby’s section on exactly this), and the liberal/authoritarian axis us not congruent with left/right. There are actual liberals (I use the term in its English rather than US sense) on the left as well as on the right (that’s probably where a lot of the leftists here on LS come from) and there are authoritarians on the right, the difference being that on the right they tend to have additional sources of authority to serve – country, nation, faith, law, tradition etc.

Supporters of lockdown on the right tend to be motivated by loyalty to party and/or law, and it’s particularly unfortunate that the government that introduced this cowardice was one nominally of the right. Many, many conservatives have kept quiet or even attacked sceptics because they see resistance to lockdown as an attack on “their” party that will result in (entirely unearned and undeserved) power for the utterly contemptible and now beyond redemption Labour Party. Others simply because they just think laws should be obeyed.

And then, of course, there are the simple cowards – hygiene obsessed disease-phobic types, who seem to be present on both sides of the political divide. I’ve heard rumours Cummins falls into that category, which would explain a lot.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Cummings, not Cummins – important distinction atm.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I agree with much of that. I remember being surprised that people like Melanie Phillips and Rod Liddle accused sceptics of being siren voices of hearlessness. I believe the latter has mellowed somewhat but not sure about the former. Maybe she has now been invited back to the Guardian lunches and dinner parties she was famously excluded from!

There is no excuse after 9 months for party loyalty to come into this. We are facing the destruction of economy and civilised society here. If Tories cannot bring themselves to attack their party on this they are going down with the Titanic as well.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I agree (that there is no excuse for letting party loyalty determine one’s opinion on such an important issue), but then again my loyalty to the “Conservative” Party all but ended decades ago, when they ceased to be conservative or traditionalist in any meaningful or effective sense.

But I know from personal experience and observation of public life, that loyalty is an amazingly powerful force.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

former left now cant stand them and this has definitively helped me hate them had started to before but the masks and lockdown nail in coffin for me

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T T
T T
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

The big problem with all those on the left supporting this coup is that they only listen to words but never look at actions. The left will never criticize the EU, the UN, the WHO, the health services or anything else as long as they all keep spouting treacly drivel about saving lives, being in it together, protecting the vulnerable by wearing toxic masks and yadda yadda. Those driving the madness know this very well and have structured their narrative accordingly,

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  T T

Good insight. They need to ‘open their eyes’ and LOOK AROUND THEM

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  T T

thats very true . me i’ve changed completely although i never trusted the WHO or the CDC or the world bank etc before either ! couldn’t stand hillary, loved bernie, so maybe am a different left than alot . sorry am american visitor to this wonderful website and comments and love reading about british parliament and history ,all i knew of british politics was that i also could’nt stand jeremy corbyn and that was way before the flu , sorry -virus – lockdown s

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

I still have respect for some on the Left such as spiked online or blue labour. They are terribly isolated now though and would be one of the first to the Gulag I think.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

I understand it’s hard for you, academia, much like government, is a very conformist, groupthinky sphere generally which can easily exclude us independent thinkers. Unfortunately zealots won’t be reasoned out of something they weren’t properly reasoned into.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yes I concur with all that. The irony is I chose this career as I thought academic freedom meant people wanted to explore ideas. Nothing could be further from the truth it seems.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Your friends are champagne socialists who only feign concern for the poor. You will not be able to win them round as they don’t particularly care.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

They are not friends they are colleagues and you cant choose them! I am definitely not on the dinner party invite circuit and yes they do still have them whist slagging off working class covidiots who go to the beach. They just seem to hate the working class…..thats my impression.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

The modern left despise the working class most of all.Probably never forgiven them for voting for thatcher in large numbers.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

BBS: As left-wing Republican socialist and a remainer, I don’t believe this is any kind of conspiracy or a great reset or whatever it’s called.
It was and is a totally hysterical overreaction by different governments all over the world.
People who have no idea of how ordinary people live day to day.
We have to ( for the moment) forget left versus right and remain versus leave.
In normal conditions I would never ever listen to Talk radio or Peter Hitchens and any right wing party or individual but for the moment we must forget our differences and unite.
As a ex manual worker now retired, I know what it is like to be patronised by middle class Guardian readers and their ilk but equally I hate right wingers like Farage who a lot of working class people think “Nige is one of us”: No he BLOODY well isn’t and like a lot of other popularlists who proport to know how the working class lives and thinks,like Bojo, they are opportunist liars, and don’t get me started on the likes of Priti Patel and the late Cilla Black whose attitude was “I’ve made it,what’s your excuse?”
I urge all sceptics to put aside their traditional beliefs and work together to force an end to the present madness before everything is lost behond repair and then we can get back to the old “ding dong” of right versus left and leave versus remain.
GOD, HOW I MISS THOSE DAYS!!!

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

What is a left wing republican socialist?
Why do you not believe have you researched any of this? We are going into a second lockdown along with the majority of Europe based on dodgy science how long can we put this down to incompetence?

You are right I don’t see this as a left v right argument. I see this is an us v them and it goes much deeper than our national government.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

I take your point, J H but I still think that the “powers that be” are in a hole of their own making” and rather than hold their hands up and say “We got it wrong” seemingly they would see the whole western world “go to hell in a handcart”
I do believe that this LD2 is Bojo’s last throw of the dice and when that is proven to have made absolutely no difference whatsoever, I think apart from the out and out collaborators, sheep and zealots,most people will go back to as normal a life as possible and wait for an opportunity to boot the present pathetic government and the equally useless opposition parties out.
What will happen after that, who knows but it’s got to be better than the present situation.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Fair, I totally agree with not assigning malice where it is just as easy to assign incompetence. However, this LD2 is so wholly inconsistent with the data to be a legitimate response in my opinion. I agree the public will be worn thin after this, hopefully this will test the zealots resolve.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Booting out our useless government is not going to cut it!

Any analysis of this scenario has to include the very real forces that are shaping our world such as the advance of AI especially biometrics which allow increasing bodily invasion of privacy and increased medical surveillance. This idea that somehow we will ‘go back to as normal a life as possible’ I find unbelievable. Let’s see what Davos brings….

In the past I have felt free to travel, in the future I will undoubtedly need a Health Pass. In the past my grandchildren were only given tried and tested vaccines for serious illnesses, but if this casedemic continues for more than a year or so I’m sure the youngest will be vaccinated against COVID even if the risk is negligible.
I get frustrated with the amount of posts that focus on our prime minister or government alone.

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Jakehadlee
Jakehadlee
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

I agree – apart from the remainer bit, I’m a libertarian and the EU is incompatible with that.

It’s an overreaction based on the complete infantilisation of the public, who believe government can legislate against everything from death to having your feelings hurt:

Of course you lefties are completely responsible for that – but yeah, it’s not longer about left and right: it’s about liberty and the right to live free vs authoritarianism. We should put aside political differences until we’ve crushed the bigger enemy.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Yes very much agree with you….I cant see those days returning anytime soon though! You sound as pissed off with the Left as I am with the Right. The left wing lockdown zealots dont get to me as I am used to being on the other side to them its the so called freedom loving conservatives in name only who really get my goat. I would enjoy being in a room with one of them for an hour…I suspect only one of us would come out haha. Rees mogg tells us Boris is a freedom lover…..what a prat you are mogg…I can see now why you made that tactless remark about Grenfell Tower.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

Pissed off with the lot of em.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

That is a great post .As a republican and a socialist i stand with you .On Brexit i have to disagree and am a leaver .But i 100% agree we should put it all to one side and join together in unity .Our freedom is the only thing to concern ourselves with right now .

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DeepBlueYonder
DeepBlueYonder
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

At my university there is very little lockdown scepticism among academic staff.

I have noticed (through observing the left’s response to Brexit and now its response to the coronavirus) quite how far the mask has slipped.

Many – not all – on the left today have an impulse towards authoritarianism. Their commitment to democracy is weak. The importance of the right to freedom of opinion and expression is often downplayed. Academics are very susceptible to ‘groupthink’.

Listen to the utter contempt with which a professor speaks to two lockdown sceptical callers on Nicky Campbell’s 5 Live Breakfast this week:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000p1k2

(at around 28:08 and then around 47:45).

After reading Nancy MacLean’s Democracy in Chains, I am very wary personally about calls for a written constitution.

But we can do is cling to what is true, and support every initiative, no matter how small, which extends democracy.

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Borisbullshit
Borisbullshit
4 years ago
Reply to  DeepBlueYonder

Yes I agree about the groupthink….I get the honest impression they think if you are not part of the group you must be stupid. This is not healthy as everything must be subject to continuous criticism. I dont remember it being like that as much when I was a student at university…people seemed to be more openminded then. Now its all about good verses evil and we are seen as evil!

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

The majority of the left couldn’t care less about the poor.They are motivated by envy of the rich and would love to trade places with them.They are in secure state jobs on full pay and until they are impacted personally they won’t care.
A lot of generalisations I know but that’s my opinion.

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jojo
jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

An interview in the lefty Jacobin magazine with Katherine Yih and Martin Kulldorff about America’s COVID-19 response and how poor households have borne a disproportionate share of the pandemic’s hardship.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/09/covid-19-pandemic-economy-us-response-inequality

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Borisbullshit

The problem is so many on the right confuse the left with liberalism .Johnson and Starmer are just liberals .On economics they are both for the free market Starmer slightly less so .On cultural issues they both believe in all the identity politics Johnson slightly less so . Socialism is not Liberalism nor is Anarchism or communism . Much of the right are very clumsy when talking about this stuff and have never read there opponents politics .The people you work with are clearly middle class liberals who for all their crocodile tears will never go out of their comfort zone until it effects them .Maybe when their kids are trying to overdose at uni they may wake up but until then it will be netflix and sourdough bread making . There are many on the left who do believe in freedom and have shown their commitment to it over the years by fighting and dying for it and as you can see their are many on this site fighting for it now .Just to let you know i’m on the left .I voted for brexit , i like my country i believe in border controls,i am against the trans insanity and i have been against the lockdown from day one .

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  wat tyler

You seem to be using liberal in a slightly odd way, perhaps confining it to “free market” economics, which I would regard as a relatively trivial aspect of liberalism (in the UK sense). Context suggests this is a leftist jargon use of the term, like the related “neoliberal”. In the real world, economics is only one relatively small part of politics, even though it can be very important in some aspects.

Starmer certainly is no liberal. Whatever his views on how best to structure economic exchange, he is absolutely an authoritarian of a particularly loathsome kind. Johnson has demonstrated by his actions over the coronapanic that he is in fact an authoritarian, despite his now clearly false past posturing as a traditionalist liberal.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago

I’ve had two more replies to my messages of thanks to the 38 MPs who voted against the second lockdown – Henry Smith, and John Redwood, no less, who says “Thanks, I’ll keep trying”.

In town this morning, not at all busy but more shops open than in the first lockdown. The council-run market hall is closed despite having various food outlets. The fish and flower stalls are open this time – they’re outside the hall. A place which sells bathroom tiles etc is open – it’s mainly retail rather than trade but I expect it counts as a building supplier. In the indoor shopping centre the lights are on so it’s slightly less miserable than the first time. No queuing at the supermarket though they count numbers of customers. The queuing was a miserable feature of the previous lockdown, but presumably the miraculous masks (and my exemption badge) are considered to obviate the need.

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p02099003
p02099003
4 years ago

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/jotter2.files/13231779?response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&response-content-disposition=attachment%3Bfilename%3D20-11-06-covid-testing-in-school.pdf&X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIH4MJHC24RK4EHAA%2F20201107%2Feu-west-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20201107T130018Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=3000&X-Amz-Signature=aed49f72fa6b1851d5edea6cd8523693b4905c270bf3f994211f241fe43e0af9 Opinions please.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The evidence continues to be overwhelming that this is a fraud, to instigate an Agenda. There are many prominent people from all walks of life who see it now but it shows no sign of abating. Anyone see things differently?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

No Dan, you’ve got it.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I view this through the lens of monetary events, work and savings occupying such prominent places in our lives as they do, as physical reality demands.

Premise : very many signs that our financial system is at an end. something new must come. Mathematically unavoidable.

Possibility One (optimistic):

The measures are intended to establish an infrastructure for the distribution of essential goods and to maintain public order during a turbulent transition period, followed by freedom.

Possibility Two (pessimistic)

The measures are intended to do all that is there in Possibility One, but not just for a transition period, but rather will form the basis of some kind of future ‘control grid’

Possibility Three (mildly optimistic)

The measures are intended to resist as much as possible the forces of economic gravity now bringing our current monetary order to an end, because that end will have as a consequence the loss of power and privilege for many at the top of he current order, including through the loss of jobs and savings and the destruction of living standards resulting in a collapse of legitimacy for those at the top of the current system.

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Alexei
Alexei
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Brilliant and incisive summation.

I think the gap between “Cockup Theorists” and “Conspiracy Theorists” is largely explained by the latter having a greater exposure to finance, economics and monetary history.

If you’re at all astute in these areas, the question “why are they doing this?” is very easily answered. To others, it must be an unfathomable mystery.

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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago

The falling leaves drift by my window
The falling leaves of red and gold
I see your lips the summer kisses
The sunburned hands I used to hold

Since you went away the days grow long
And soon I’ll hear old winter’s song
But I miss you most of all my darling
When autumn leaves start to fall

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

Beautiful song, from the days when love mattered.

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David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

See the link about masks and plastic pollution, horrible!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

If the government, the Cabinet, Johnson are being blackmailed, as has been suggested, what can anyone do?

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I find it hard to believe they are being blackmailed due to Johnsons’s and his father’s known desire to depopulate the world…

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

I think it’s a bit of both, Carrie. As Johnson begins to wake up to the reality of what he has lazily signed up to, if he shows any sign of not playing their game, they know how to twist his arm. People do not suddenly become that malign, it’s a process.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I believe it was John Major who signed the UK up to the reset /climate agenda (though it was not called that at the time). Signed in 1992.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

The Chinese dissident group which revealed the truth about Hunter Biden said a few weeks back, “Don’t you think there is no British Hunter Biden?

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Lude media? They said a lot about the Camerons’ links to China (both Call me Dave and SamCam) and that they had information on Johnson, that they would give in due course. Not listened for a while now though.. must do that..

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Talk to one another and keep people out of the brainwashing soup and sane/functional.

This is the reason Toby doesn’t want to discuss conspiracies, because it can encourage people to give up. For me, I want to know enough about their grotesque plans so that we can have effective counter strategies.

Use the information to fire your anger and determination, because this Shiiteshow has only just begun, and unless we delay it and then stop it, we will either be dead or wish that we were dead by about a year from now. If you don’t want that for the people you love then set to work, all day and every day.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Great post Rosie!

I think we all need to make an extra eort to talk to people in the real physical wold.

I sense an increasing hunger for human contact everywhere.

The laws of life are on our side.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

‘extra effort’

sorry!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

You are so, so right.
Life always finds a way. It will this time.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Thanks Rosie, i’ve got a laminator and cable ties arriving today to start making posters. Do we now have a site with templates?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Fantastic, that’s the spirit!
One here though only A5 https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

and Mabel Cow does some great ones hopefully someone will post the link

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Thanks Rosie, hopefully Mabel posts a link also at some point today.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

I can’t keep up.

Is there an organised person who can set up a site with structured links so that we can find things easily, please.

Urgently required.

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Posters at baffledcow.com.

LS mirror at panscepticon.org.

I’m working on improvements to Panscepticon right now. If I pull my finger out, I can start acting as an assembly point soon.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Mabel cows ones are in the forum ,find the general discussion bit and look for the link tee shirts and posters or ask her and i think she has own link .

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

What can we do, apart from sign things, contribute, change minds, have done that already… all the big guns against this seem to be running into walls.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Any number of things. What are your particular skills/resources?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

and keep at it ! keep going

Read The Lord of the Rings if you need to be shown the way.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

tie up (not literally of course) any police trying to enforce lockdown rules with friendly polite time wasting – not arguing, not trying to change their minds – just wasting their time with constant questions, request for explanations etc. every hour that you can waste with one officer means that they won’t be hassling 400 other people

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

In Johnson’s case I think he’s only interested in Brexit-once the FTD is signed his legacy is assured. Then he’ll clear off

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chris
chris
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

agree

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Not a very plausible suggestion, tbh.

Individuals being pressured eg by whips, on the basis of info they’d rather was kept quiet, perfectly possibly (indeed likely). But such pressures are likely to be in various directions,according to who holds the info.

Some kind of organised conspiracy with data collection abilities and powers allowing them to control all powerful people in government, let alone wider society, and systematically use it to control policy? Pretty implausible, imo.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

You’re ignoring the fact that this has been a long time in the planning I think. There will be leverage of some kind involved.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Not seen any remotely sufficient evidence to support an assertion of long term planning of events overall. Opportunism, based on hypotheticals, for sure.

Based on what I’ve seen produced, my response tends to be: how many other completely different world changing scenarios could you come up with similar arguments and kinds of evidence for having been “planned in advance” for, if enough people looked hard enough? The world is a big, complicated place, with an awful lot of people, groups and agendas in it.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Do you not remember Pandremix in 2009?

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

No.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I hate the conspiracy roads but it seems they wanted Johnson in at this time, May was too squeaky clean. Agenda 21 seems very plausible

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I’ve not been convinced of any “they” who could have, would have, and plausibly did manipulate events to this level.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Agreed. It’s not just Johnson remember, it’s governments across the world.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

There is a clear direction of travel to vaccine ,digital passport,digital currency.These are long standing aims of globalist actors,Whether they caused this or quickly saw the potential is immaterial.It is undeniable that this is happening.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

There are numerous clear directions of travel, many of them favoured by globalists of various kinds.

That this current nonsense is being exploited by all of them is indeed beyond doubt.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Hi Mark i am not in the conspiracy camp and there are quite a few still here who are not but what i would say is its pointless arguing about this stuff because you will never convince them . The best thing to do is put all your energy into ending lockdown .One of the most interesting things iv’e heard today on here is the amount of people making posters and leaflets and getting them out .If everyone of us spent a couple of hours a day on propaganda instead of arguing over what caused it all we could have England covered in graffiti and posters in a week .

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  wat tyler

I hear you, for sure, and you have a valid point. On the other hand I think it’s also still beneficial not to let particular views go completely unchallenged here, so that readers can know they are not universally shared.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Precisely which “they” are you referring to?

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PWL
PWL
4 years ago

It’s a hoax. It doesn’t matter if a test works or not if they are inventing the results.

A list of FBEL’s Covid-19 articles – and brief comments regarding continuation of coronahoax

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  PWL

“As declared many times before at this site, the UK Government won’t stop until it is made to, and the power to do this will come through an opposition that in unison states the actuality of a hoax, and so chops the UK Government’s justification for its activity off at the legs”

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  PWL

I doubt it is a hoax but am not sure

What I am sure of is that calling it a hoax will win very little support among those we need to convince

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

When we talk to people one-to-one, we ask them and listen to them first. Then go on to the next stage.

People who ‘need convincing’ are at many stages, and the opinion that this is a ‘hoax’ is all-but unanimous among the Daily Mail comments now.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Well I will have to take your word for it regarding the DM comments, but the people I talk to believe the virus exists and that it probably hastened some deaths. It depends what you mean by “hoax”. That word to me means something that is entirely invented. The idea of a deadly virus that would kill unprecedented numbers of people might be a hoax, though I tend to think it was just a wild overreaction that people are now fixated on, but I don’t see much point in trying to claim it doesn’t exist at all, unless you want to put people off.

The easiest case to make is that the measures taken do more harm than good and are disproportionate to the threat.

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago

More fiddling of the figures. & the numbers in my area are not high at all. But, the last reported date on this chart, they are suddenly at….7!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2785347135017740&id=1691194827766315&_ft_=mf_story_key.2785347135017740%3Atop_level_post_id.2785347135017740%3Atl_objid.2785347135017740%3Acontent_owner_id_new.1691194827766315%3Athrowback_story_fbid.2785347135017740%3Apage_id.1691194827766315%3Aphoto_id.2785346681684452%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Atds_flgs.3%3Aott.AX9vJg5ACu52iV1i&__tn__=%2C%3B

I reckon el presidente sturgeon will now implement a full scale lockdown based on these low numbers.

Fucking idiots in the Scottish government & all because of the flu.

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Zak Thelotofem
Zak Thelotofem
4 years ago

Scintillating new piece by Ivor Cummins and colleague

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eJuj0rx-48&t=2823s

Unmissable!

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Zak Thelotofem

Watched it with a beer or two last night. Essential viewing.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Zak Thelotofem

Its great and anyone who hasn’t watched please do and share with your friends .

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Adam
Adam
4 years ago

End operation moonshit and the sorry Premiership of Boris Johnson, protect the vulnerable everyone else with precautions can get on with their lives https://www.saveourrights.uk

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Had some music on random play, an old song I’ve not heard in years came on and it struck a chord:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYs_wfI899M

I believe in woman,
my oh my
I believe in lovin’,
my oh my
Don’t a women need a man, try and catch one if you can
I believe in woman,
my oh my

We all need someone to talk to
my oh my
We all need someone to talk to
my oh my
Ya need a shoulder to cry on, call me I’ll be standing by
We all need someone to talk to
my oh my

We all need a lot of lovin’
my oh my
Yeah, a whole lot of lovin’
my oh my
I can lend a helpin’ hand if you ain’t go nothing planned
We all need some lovin’
my oh my

So let’s all swing together
my oh my
We can all swing together
my oh my
You’ve got troubles on your own, no need to face them all alone
We can all swing together my oh my

So let’s all pull together
my oh my…
ya let’s all pull together
my oh my
we can ride the stormy weather
if we all get out and try
so let’s all pull together
my oh my
yaeh let’s all pull together
my oh myyyyy…

Showing my age now.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago

I was challenged about not wearing a mask today for the first time. Although I left having received an apology for “offending me” (to which I replied “you have offended me”), I was shaking with rage. I had thought that simply by saying I was exempt she would stop, but no, continued in the small farm shop in front of loads of people to tell me that she couldn’t know if I was exempt unless she challenged me and I should wear a lanyard etc. Of course I did the bit about who can challenge me and that she was contravening DD act blah but she didn’t actually shut up until her boss walked in – who had just been chatting with my partner – they know each other – and he said something, but I don’t know what because I was so angry I had become more or less oblivious to my surroundings.
For the first time in my 59 year life I understand why, and how, civil war happens.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

The gullible are ruining the lives of everyone

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

I had a couple of dirty looks in the post office today. I just smiled back at them. I don’t hate them for it, I pity their weakness at succombing to the brainwashing.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

I reckon keeping cool is the hardest demand – but I reckon it pays.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

I’m waiting to be challenged, but in the meantime I have never walked prouder (cheesy but true) knowing that if the Nazi’s had started to uprise in my Country i’d have fought back. The majority of the sheep would be cheering the gestapo on.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

You only have to see what happened in the Channel Islands. It would have been the same here too.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

my friend in france said previuos generations had ww2 and ww1 and now we have this. i felt like saying ,no people had courage back then but then thought well in france there were an awful lot of collaborators but very few members of the resistance . so yes i can see the similarity .however as of now anyway my friend would be a collaborator . i’m glad to say we here would definitley be in the resisistance .

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

“The majority of the sheep would be cheering the gestapo on”.

Yes they would and it seems they still are.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

We need urgent formal advice on how to deal with these problems, both as regards the ‘regulations’ and our Common Law rights to disregard them as immoral and unconstitutional.

I’ve written to this outfit https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/contact/
and suggest others follow suit, and use Twitter etc to contact Lord Sumption, Francis Hoare and anyone else you can think of.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I agree – we could do with some clear & concise bullet-points on rights as they apply in key areas currently.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Get emailing people, then such as the various people involved in hosting Lord Sumption’s address (Freshfields and a Cambridge centre)

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

I know exactly how you feel, Jo.
Just remember that you are perfectly, wholly, entirely entitled to refuse to be muzzled.
It can be hard, being in the right.
Take your rage and let it put fire in your belly!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

Does anybody know what has happened to that Danish Mask Study which was waiting for publication?

Has it now been effectively buried for not coming to the right conclusion?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I think the latest is that it is still hanging fire, pending acceptance in a publication.

The authors are really keen that they aren’t see to bypass the standard process of publication > peer review – I assume because they want to be squeaky clean on process.

I guess the non-publication actually speaks volumes about the pressure being exercised in terms of censorship : the official narrative obviously can’t stand up to examination.

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It is possible that the Danish authorities will demand to at least see the thing in time, especially following the mink outbreak..

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

They’ll be waiting a long time. It’s like blacklisting in Hollywood.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Let’s not kid ourselves. There will be a long line of ‘peers’ queuing up to trash this study. Whoever gives it the biggest kick wins the internet for a day or two.

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Steeve
Steeve
4 years ago

How many of us are using this website on a regular basis? Its hard to tell as I see a lot of comments from the same bunch of people.

Just looked -The result of the Thumbs Up survey yesterday was 238

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Steeve

Eh? Why not e mail Toby and ask him?

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Steeve

The email is enough to convey the message. Any visits to the site are likely to be to the forum. And not every post is seen or even read.

WordPress can track usage stats with the right plugin.

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assoc
assoc
4 years ago

The problem is, of course, that Boris and Cummings have both read Machiavelli and know/believe that the first duty of the Prince is to make war. Unfortunately this enemy is invisible and it is likely that no victory is can ever be possible. I just can’t see a solution

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

complete this sentence in an apt & amusing manner:

“in a country with 52,000,000 adults of which only 126.000 are police officers…”

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

I think you’ve over counted the adults

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

presumably you’re talking metaphorically rather than literally?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

..it is necessary for the authorities to get the population to police each other.”

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

and if the population refuses to do so..

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Then those ‘authorities’ lose authority.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

well i never!

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

It’s in our hands.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

it most certainly is

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Exactly.
Well said. Now we need those lawyers to explain our feet-on-the-ground rights and strategies. Please start emailing and FBing and Tweeting them. Nag away at those at the top ….. otherwise, when we live in an authoritarian state that has n use for lawyers, they will join us at the bottom.

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GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Why on earth are we living in a police state???

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

And have you seen the state of the Police?

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Physically they are not the force they once were,but the threat of them still breeds conformity to the law.The diverse members of society have worked this out and are mainly left to their own devices

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Common purpose goons. Glorified PR plebs

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Not all of them. Most obviously want to continue to police by consent on behalf of the community.

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  GiftWrappedKittyCat

Problem. We don’t have any police. Pseudo police state?

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

“…there are simply not enough police officers to issue tickets to everyone ignoring the lockdown.” That’s why civil disobedience works and there is power in numbers.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

VIRES IN NUMERIS!!!

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Ianric
Ianric
4 years ago

Since lockdown has anyone seen favourite businesses you enjoy using go bust.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

Two of the largest nightclubs in Northern Ireland have gone to the wall. One of them has been going for 40 years almost

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Ianric

An independent coffee shop near my workplace that I have intermittently used has gone bust. And Herman ze German where Mr Bart & I would go for our curry wurst fix.

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Buby1976
Buby1976
4 years ago

I’d like to draw attention to a country which is fortunately far away from the “1st world” and pretty much off any tourist maps. I’m spending a few weeks in this country. Nice tropical weather, check, friendly people, check, everything open, check, hustle and bustle, check. Do you fancy bars with hundreds of customers, live bands, no”directions” on the floors, no disinfectant and no nauseating announcements every 5 seconds? A country where you can fly directly from the UK with no need to quarantine if you take PCR test before you fly? Ladies and gents, welcome to Bangladesh! It’s not all roses though, the country is poor, many people wear masks on the streets (majority under their chin or dangling by their ears and the enforcement is zero). But it is a country desperate to get back on its feet. So if you value your mental sanity and you want to help some of the most welcoming people I’ve ever met, do yourself a favor and consider Bangladesh! PS – due to the UK lockdown you need to travel for business, so you need an invitation, but there are ways.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

Just reflecting. I’ve always been wary of simple conspiracy explanations, but after this week, and the now transparent fiddling of numbers, I reckon it’s getting impossible to see this whole world-wide shit-show just as an accident caused by group-think and incompetence.

This second lock-up is so ridiculous on all counts – so unjustified by evidence – that it is clearly a conscious scam.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Well summarised. That’s something that many can see, so now is an excellent opportunity to talk to people around us.

We need more activists, and more people who will resist in their own lives even if they can’t be persuaded to join us. Maybe one day a light will turn on, they will see what this means for their children, their survival instincts finally kick in, and they will join us.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

If we all spent as much time fighting to end lockdown instead of fighting over what caused it we would be well on our way to liberating our society .

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Scam by whom, for what purpose?

If you are saying, intentional deception by SAGE scientists desperate to avoid admitting having been wrong, enabled by government figures equally desperate not to be proven to have been wrong, fine. That seems to be the simplest suggestion that fits the facts.

If you are going to propose something darker and bigger, you should perhaps be clear which of the usual demonic suspects you have in mind – “big business”, jews, international communists, aliens?

Because if you have no particular group in mind, because you have insufficient evidence to say who is behind it and why, then it seems you are just reaching for a more complex explanation when the aforementioned simple one should suffice.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Those who want a sustainable world, want to stop consumerism, stop travel, stop capitalism, want to reduce the population, ID is needed for that one, best form, Vaccine. Can’t live without your vaccine number. It all comes under one big umbrella, called the reset.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Well those individuals and groups who represent them are certainly making the most of this, but that doesn’t mean they planned it or are giving orders.

What groups exactly are giving orders, to whom, and how?

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Go hide behind your sofa.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Too subtle for me.

I asked a series of perfectly reasonable questions to try and understand DanClarke’s position more fully.

“Go hide behind your sofa” is just abuse meaning either your argument is weak or you are too lazy to make it, which is just rude.

On a general note, I never downvote posts. If there’s a post I take issue with, I ignore it or try and give a counter argument.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

That is a good question.As usual follow the money.IMF/World bank are involved. UN/WEF also.As to how orders are given and to who.National leaders are obviously following a blueprint and timetable.It differs slightly in each country as they adapt the plan to each national character and what they can get away with
We are not privy to the workings but as you see it being played out you can surmise to how and when.
Can you not see that lockdown 2 was co co ordinated across Europe ?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Your last paragraph is illogical, given what I’ve said : which is only that it is more than likely intentionality behind what is happening. My Occam’s razor is actually what has led to this conclusion.

I avoid the term ‘conspiracy’, because I don’t much believe in the simplistic notion of secluded groups groups sitting around in darkened room plotting like James Bond villains – and certainly not as in your comic-book interpretation.

I’m talking about a cluster of varied interests consciously pushing for connected ends – i.e that this isn’t just an accident of human folly, even tho’ cock-ups and bumbling incompetence can be also seen. The difference is that the incompetents are being consciously used, and pushed in a certain direction. Mike Yeadon’s notion of convergent interests fits the bill.

The point I’m making is that the sort of human frailty that you describe (not wanting to appear stupid) just simply isn’t enough of an explanation. The deliberation behind the false narrative, the energy and resources put into idiotic enterprise is more than a self-compounding accident. There is clearly intentionality – which is why I use the word ‘scam’. People are being pushed around by a massive propaganda initiative.

I would still use parsimonious description – and that leads to the old, old favourite of ‘follow the money’ – i.e of global capital playing a massive role – exercised through major global networks like the WHO and the WEF. I leave other agendas for others to argue about.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You appear to be arguing with me without actually disagreeing.

Reread my comment, and pay particular attention to the second paragraph, and the “if” clause at the beginning of the second paragraph.

The best I can make out from your comment, most of which appears to be a simple overreaction, is that your disagreement with my second paragraph is merely one of emphasis, that you wish to stress the importance of the opportunists with convergent objectives pushing outcomes, but not being “behind everything”..

In which case, why make the initial comment in the way you did, giving the impression, at least, that you are referring to something more?

Although your dark reference to “global capital”, as though George Soros and the Koch brothers are on the same side, suggest you might be just another fantasist.

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think you are Matt Wankock in disguise.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Start at Bill Gates.Financial links to nearly all the main players in this.Actually ran a pandemic simulation called Event 201 in October.Coincidence or what.
Move on to the WEF pushing their great reset.
Look at IMF who promised the leader of Belarus loans and support if he lockdowned.
It takes more faith now to believe this is all down to incompetence than to believe their is something darker going on.
It is not a conspiracy when they tell you what they are doing.You are just not listening enough

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Palmer

Incompetence vs Conspiracy is a false dichotomy

I wouldn’t trust Gates an inch and feel he is probably a bad influence, but I don’t think he, or anyone else, is sending instructions to the PM. The PM is probably keen to be part of various global movements he sees as attractive, so he can feel like he has his finger on the pulse, but he could quite easily, tomorrow, change course.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’ve got 4 pages Julian with a brief introduction. Read them all, a skim read should be enough. ‘Conspiracy lite’ it doesn’t name many of the players and is more about bad ideas that grand a mechanistic conspiracy.
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/what-is-going-on

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

BJ has been photographed with Gates…and has met him this year.

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stevie
stevie
4 years ago

Guardian The UK’s largest police force has apologised after journalists and photographers covering an anti-lockdown protest were told to leave and threatened with arrest.
Journalists at the demonstration protesting the new national lockdown in England in Trafalgar Square on Thursday were reportedly told by officers they were not seen as essential workers and needed special permission from London’s Metropolitan police service to be present.
The reported incidents took place as police clashed with protesters in the capital on the first day of the month-long second lockdown, with more than 200 arrests.
The Society of Editors (SoE) has written to the Home Office and the Met seeking “urgent clarification” that photographers and journalists will be able to cover protests which take place under the new lockdown measures in England.
Lockdown: Met apologises for arrest threats to journalists covering protest Read more

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Sir Patrick Vaccine
Sir Patrick Vaccine
4 years ago

Dear Lock Down – this is something you have to watch and share

London Has Fallen | Financial Collapse – Shocking Video of Central London 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2-VY6roL0

From Neil McCoy-Ward

Financial Crisis | What To Expect Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLwwUG9M7Sc

From Neil McCoy-Ward

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Thanks, I had seen the first video and watching the second video now. Absolutely shocking this is economic insanity.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

The Reset where the government scoops up the bankrupt businesses by wiping the slate clean and employing the former owner and staff. Corbyn would be proud

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

It’s worse now with all the retail and pubs,restaurants which had reopened now closed again

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Sir Patrick Vaccine

Ditto for New York:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xvE406S10

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annie
annie
4 years ago

I just had a look at the Broadgreen School website. I wanted to check that the dump actually existed, because that letter was so awful that I thought it must be fake.

Here’s what they say about their happy little barcodes:

If this is the first contact that you have had with our school, please continue browsing. I hope our website gives you a clear picture of who we are and why we are so unique. We hope you will continue learning about our fabulous school and consider joining us on a seven year journey, taking you through Key Stage 3, 4 and Sixth Form and then onwards as we celebrate together the opening of doors for our young people, watching as they go on to live happy, fulfilled lives.

By ‘doors’, I presume they mean ‘dungeon doors’, and by ‘happy fulfilled lives’, they mean ‘a miserable existence from which every human contact has been eliminated’.

Last edited 4 years ago by Annie
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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

The lowest of God’s creatures – the collaborator with an inhuman agenda for monetary gain.

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kf99
kf99
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

“so unique”. What would my English teacher say…?

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Is that a 2nd school using bar codes? Or the same one that was mentioned earlier?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

We need to start leaving this URL everywhere, if we are not doing so already:

http://www.lockdownsceptics.org

walls, bus shelters, lampposts, you name it.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Tried this – most people can’t get past the title. I get called a conspiracy theorist and that hurts my feelings.

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Chris John
Chris John
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

A punch to their throat will make you feel less hurty feels

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Maybe Toby could get another URL that ‘lands’ on this page

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

A while back it was suggested here that the name might be changed. I would certainly get more undecided people to read this board if it was called Lockdown Detectives or COVID Investigators or some such. Suggestions anyone?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Marialta

I originally suggested Lockdown Reality. Why not post these ideas to Toby?

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I will!

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Good idea Rosie!

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LuluJo
LuluJo
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I have some business cards with the Lockdown Sceptics website address on them. I leave them stuck on lampposts, bus shelters, public noticeboards, dog poo bins anywhere I can put them. It’s my daily mission to replace any that are taken down or defaced (and yes, people do that!) They don’t realise it just makes me more determined, lol! They’re also useful to hand out if you get into conversation with someone even vaguely sceptical.

Last edited 4 years ago by LuluJo
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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

I have some sticky labels which just say, ‘The Pandemic is Over’ and have the lockdownsceptics URL. Stick them on other signs as I walk around.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

I stayed away for my mental health sake, but I dared to look at the news pages from Hamburg, Germany, where my parents live. Good news, they plan to reduce to provide tests to only people with symptoms. Anyone with a runny nose for example will be turned away. As a runny nose never was a symptom, why do these stupid people ask for a test anyway?

And the RKI is stoking up fear by including +test results from March and all summer in their daily total, but of course the general public does not know that. Even if it is “only” 60 out of nearly 24.000 today, it is not ethical.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

Thanks to all those who contributed questions for me to ask my MP in his phone call.

In the end it was OH and I who ended up giving him a complete lesson on Covid rather than him answering questions.

He didn’t know that Covid had been removed from the High consequence infectious disease list on March 19th, because mortality was low. He knew very little about how the PCR test worked so we enlightened him. He was unaware of the latest figures on hospital beds apart from our local hospital. We were able to throw in the fact that Whitty and Valance had been hauled over the coals by the Office for Statistics Regulation for not backing up their data with sources and not including methodology with their models. We talked lots about dodgy data and lack of context and comparison with previous years. Masks came into it too of course. We backed up everything with facts, figures and quotations, even reading headlines from newspapers during the 2018 flu season.

We discussed: Sage and Ferguson, Ct cycles, the worldometer, Euromomo statistics, Yuppie flu, statutory instruments, the huge sums of money wasted on T and T, the alternative views of Heneghan, Cummins etc, survival rates for 99.5% of us, Diamond Princess, rules and regulations, what constitutes a “case”, Old Uncle Tom Cobley et al!

He admitted that we knew far, far more than he did and asked us to write down our points so that he could write to the PM and the Dept. of Health using our information as his constituents.

I won’t publish the letter we sent here as it runs to seven pages but I think that we covered every base and gave him what for!

What we gleaned from him was that there is an awful lot of anger and frustration amongst MPs in Westminster. They are unable to obtain information from the Dept of Health quickly enough-he commented that the media know more than MPs.

He knows, having voted for lockdown that his voting record will come back to haunt him and that it is unlikely that he will serve a second term. He was concerned about Labour getting back in to the constituency but we pointed out that it was more likely to be the Reclaim or Reform party as the opposition had been appalling too. He is very aware of public opinion on the government’s performance, especially amongst Tory voters.

Oh and we pointed him in the direction of this website!

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Good work. Sums it up don’t it. Useful idiots

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Steeve
Steeve
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Amazing!

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Chestergal
Chestergal
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Well done! I don’t even get replies to the emails I have sent my Labour MP. But it’s frightening to know MPs are so ill informed and don’t seem to think to seek out information for themselves.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  Chestergal

My guess is that Boris knows very little about the subject too. He has always expected others to do his work and can’t be bothered to research it himself.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Margaret, while I agree he is a lazy, incompetent coward, I think it has gone beyond that now. He knows what he is doing by purposefully ignoring evidence and information that is presented to him on a plate from more accomplished scientists and academics. He is now calling in favours from others – the also implicated, but less obviously so, Sir Simon Stevens (his mate from Balliol College Oxford) – to attempt to get him out of the hole he has dug for himself.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Yeah, and Stevens tried to get his point across by using yet another scary graph with numbers (Covid inpatients) on it that had already been outed as not true by the press and other earlier in the week.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Dug with a JCB.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

Lazy Boris has eugenicist tendencies and is on the scam.

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Sceptic Hank
Sceptic Hank
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

I suspect Boris is somehow being coerced. It’s simply impossible to change core beliefs from one day to the next.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

I think Boris knows a lot about little, and very little about a lot.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Whether lazy thick Boris knows what’s going on really doesn’t matter, that much. Either way, he is totally unfit to be PM.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Chestergal

During the Foot and Mouth crisis in 2001, only one MP sought out and read the report from the 1967-68 outbreak in Cheshire and North Wales. One of my earliest memories is of the fires when they burned the slaughtered cattle.

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Simon
Simon
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Awesome.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

that’s absolutely shocking – how did such a complete f*ckwit get to be in a position to vote on whether or not the country should be locked down?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Welcome to Westminster. There’s 650 of ’em in there, with one or two notable exceptions.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

It’s great work and I good on the MP for listening to reason. But, it really is unacceptable that our MP’s are not seeking knowledge from all avenues. It is inexcusable to be this ignorant of alternative facts.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

Exactly. What else are the MPs doing all day, given that covid is supposed to be the most important thing in the world ever, and nothing else matters as it can be closed down by decree?

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Steph
Steph
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Well done on your efforts but isn’t it just disgraceful that he hasn’t found this out for himself? There is plenty of information out there.
It’s not as if there is anything at all more important at the moment but he is content to draw his large salary and sit back only consuming the information Matt Hancock deems he is allowed to see. No excuse for not looking harder on behalf of his constituents.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  Steph

He is actually a good constituency MP who has worked really hard for this area in the last year. It is a pity that he knows his goose has been cooked by his own party and government.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

you’re going too easy there – he’s been grossly negligent in not fully informing himself of the issues before voting on such a monumental decision

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

He had based his vote on the numbers in our huge local hospital which takes people from a very wide area.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

no excuse i’m afraid

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Well if they have cooked his goose, he is partly to blame.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rowan
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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Impressed he spent the time – and that you had some pull with him

Mine ignores me

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jim
jim
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

oh and by the way please ask your MP- why is it that most departments in the UK Govt have sent a reply to a freedom of information request which asks where is the evidence of a covid19 virus and they have replied that they don’t have any information regarding that kind of virus anywhere in the Govt archives – more info see thebernacia.net

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  jim

Good question to ask any MP who is actually engaging with his constituents.
If he now starts to work for the people then he will have a good defence at his trial.
It’s encouraging, really encouraging to hear. Well done Margaret. Best news in a while.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rosie
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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  jim

There is no real proof that Sars-cov-2 coronavirus actually exists and it seems there never will be.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

If he is typical, it shows that most MPs are not just morons, but ignorant morons who can’t be bothered to check a few facts.

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Essentially dereliction of duty isn’t it.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

This is all good stuff because it proves that they know the facts and gives them no way out at the Crimes Against Humanity trial that is coming their way.

Please copy in paper offline and backup safely and keep in a secure place.

There will ‘clean up’ the internet so don’t loose the evidence!

You and your OH seem extremely well organised. Please consider collating letters such as these. Contact me through this site if you are interested in taking this on. https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

Last edited 4 years ago by Rosie
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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Maybe also a good idea to record such phone calls with MPs – good evidence that they are not doing their research… What have they been doing all this time?

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Well done you. My MP must be self isolating as she still has not replied.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Brilliant job.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Well done, Margaret; brilliant work. 🙂

It’s appalling that he admitted to you that he didn’t know as much about all this as you and OH; blaming a lack of communication from Handjob’s department is no excuse. Has he never heard of the Internet, FFS?

He knows, having voted for lockdown that his voting record will come back to haunt him and that it is unlikely that he will serve a second term.

Did he actually say this , M, or is this your and your OH’s assessment?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Even reading the Daily Telegraph would have given him some insight into the truth

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

And the Daily Mail.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

You might be surprised how uninformed many MPs really are. Part confirmation bias, part ignorance, part laziness, depending on the MP of course! The scary part is that they pass laws…

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

No, Nick, I know how thick they are. 🙂

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

He did say the bit about his voting record coming back to haunt him at the next election and implied that it would be very difficult for him to win the seat a second time.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

this is wonderful that you did this ! thank you margaret ! hope he listens and convinces other MPs now too how wrong the lockdowns and masks are and any enforced vaccine

Last edited 4 years ago by sam s.j.
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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

This is excellent stuff! I think you are quite right not to share your letter here by the way. If you build trust with this MP (unless he’s playing along with you, I’m quite cynical at times, sorry) it will be best if the correspondence remains private until he is happy with you sharing it.

The Diamond Princess data is a nugget of pure gold and I’m utterly gobsmacked that so few have used it!

I hope something comes from this, well done for starting it. I’m quite jealous…

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Brilliant job!! Well done and thanks for reporting back.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Given the severity of the measures the HoC are imposing on the country there is absolutely no excuse for every one of them to know all the facts and accurate data. It is just laziness and dereliction of duty!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Well done you and looks like your MP was willing to listen and also has the self awareness that he could lose his seat.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Incredible your MP is SO CLUELESS…seriously. Incredible.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago

Has anyone on here produced any sceptical leaflets or posters that can be printed out and distributed?

It’s not the sort of thing I would usually do. But I think there is an enormous lack of knowledge out there, contributing to this mess. Even sceptical people don’t know the full facts. I met a friend yesterday who is very suspicious about it all, particularly issues around control and liberty, but didn’t have a clue about the scientific side. No idea what Sweden have done, no idea about the dodgy models, death counts or issues with the tests, sang the praises of St Jacinda but didn’t even know about the enforced quarantine camps…

How people can not be aware of this kind of thing by now is beyond me, but evidently they are not. So I’m in the mood to provide some education!

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Sceptic in Oxford
Sceptic in Oxford
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

I haven’t but you could try something really simple like:

Why are we locking down for a virus that
 
has a 99.7% survival rate;
for which there are now several effective treatments;
fewer than 400 people under the age of 60 with no serious underlying health conditions have died; and
the average age of patients dying with/of Covid is 82 years 4 months (source: NHS
England)

If you want to add any more details, here’s loads I collated and emailed my MP:

·      25 million GP appointments lost (source: Care Quality Commission)
·      3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
·      350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred (source: Cancer Research UK)
·      986,000 women not screened for breast cancer (source: Breast Cancer Now)
·      Nearly 2 million waiting > 18 weeks for planned surgery, such as knee and hip operations (source: NHS England)
·      111,026 patients waiting > 1 year for treatment (source: NHS England)
·      MD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
·      Waiting lists in general for the NHS are at an all-time high
 
Sooner or later, everyone, will be impacted by these backlogs, whether its them, their husband, wife, mother, father, sister, brother, boyfriend, girlfriend, uncle, aunt, child or grandchild who needs treatment and joins the back of these queues.
 
Then there’s societal/other health problems:
 
·      1 in 10 mental health patients has been waiting 6 months for help (source: Royal College of Psychiatrists)
·      Number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ doubled since February – now 8.5 million (source: Royal College of Psychiatrists)
·      Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown (source: Samaritans)
·      calls to domestic abuse helplines surge (source: Refuge – For Women & Children Against Violence)
·      Off-licence alcohol sales are up 24.2% with beer sales up 66% (source: Kantar)
·      48% of UK respondents increased alcohol consumption and 54% increased drinking frequency (source: Institute of Alcohol Studies / Global Drug Survey Special Edition)
·      750,000 jobs lost March-August (source: ONS)
·      11,120 chain store outlets closed January-June (source: Local Data Company and PwC)
·      45% of businesses have less than six months cash reserves or none (source: ONS)
·      673,000 fewer workers were on payroll in August compared with March 2020 (source: ONS)
·      Record fall in GDP (21.8%) during first half of 2020, greater than France, Italy, Canada, Germany, US and Japan (source: ONS)
·      Public borrowing of £173.7 billion in the first five months of the pandemic – more than triple all borrowing for entire previous year [£56.6 billion] (source: ONS)
·      UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever (source: ONS)
·      33% of adults reported high levels of anxiety (source: ONS)
·      Charities face £12.4 drop (source: Chartered Institute of Fundraising (IoF) and the Charity Finance Group (CFG))
·      Graduates less likely to find work/internships: 49% of small and medium sized businesses have cancelled internships or work experience, whilst 29% of larger firms have (source: The Sutton Trust)
 

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Ray
Ray
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic in Oxford

Would you mind if I share this information in a Facebook group?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ray

This isn’t the time for niceties. If it’s shared here then go ahead!

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Ray
Ray
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

👌

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Sceptic in Oxford
Sceptic in Oxford
4 years ago
Reply to  Ray

No probs! Spread it far and wide.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Great, thanks.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

That looks perfect, thanks!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

This one so far, it’s A5 https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/post/covid-rules-sayno-use-this-to-print-your-own-leaflet

This is my own site, and I intended to have expanded the text into a longer info leaflet, but I keep getting diverted. I’ve found that protestors themselves are desperate for succinct well presented information. You can contact me through it.

Sceptic in Oxford, I’ll use yours as well. Contact me?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Thank you!

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Some of this information might be useful

Mask leaflet.jpg
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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Regarding posters, on a purely hypothetical basis- small wirecutters would be perfect for removing terrifying canvas signs saying “be alert don’t leave home without your mask!”, wrapped round the “welcome to our village” sign and fastened with cable ties.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  James007

My OH went so far as to unscrew one with his swiss army knife a couple of weeks ago…

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

There are some poster designs in the forum under general discussion and then look for tee shirts and posters .Mabel Cow on here is the person to ask .Also believe keep britain free site has leaflets .

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/the-next-french-revolution-in-the-making/

At the link is a video from Romania. It shows police in a metro station pulling – presumably unmasked – passengers from a train and beating them.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Made the Telegraph

Angry protestors in London and university students in Manchester

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324988661923016704

Protests M & Lon.png
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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

If near a protest and questioned by police, make clear nothing to do with protest simply out for recreational purposes.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1324989042136584193

Protest recreation.png
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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago

Looking to make posters and found this excellent article on face masks:-

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago

So the rapid test “misses” half of infections.

Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the PCR tests overestimates infections by a factor of two? Perhaps the rapid test is identifying genuine infectious cases and simply doesn’t pick up the asymptomatic infections or people who had the virus weeks ago like the PCR test does?

Just a thought…

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Bugle
Bugle
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Think you’re onto something.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Good point.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

I have been watching livestreams of protests from London and Stafford Park, Stroud. Looks like people aren’t paying much attention to Priti-useless Patel and her goons.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Any url for the Stoud protest in Stratford Park?

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It was on Facebook. I can’t in fit now but maybe footage will turn up on Twitter. I estimate a few hundred turned up – good for a town of this size and considering it was both contrary to the lockown diktat and the local council’s ban – it was in Stafford Park. I believe it was Gloucestershire’s first anti-lockdown protest.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/07/coronavirus-fact-check-8-new-daily-cases-and-the-second-wave/

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago

Clearly wearing masks during a “pandemic” is really important!

What’s the BEST TIME to dump over a million tons of radioactive water into the Ocean, if not when the Herd of modern moron slaves are all wearing muzzles and in self house arrest?!

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With LUCK it might create a few new species of animals that will wipe us out!
That would be fun…

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1325073657224458240?s=20

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Tweeter Wilber Force:

I must admit, I’m a cautious pro-mask pro-lockdowner, and I feel a bit apprehensive about taking a new vaccine. I at least want to see it tested on others first.

Nice caring guy! 😉

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davews
davews
4 years ago

Just back from my usual afternoon walk. Heaving with other people doing the same. Main road traffic busier than normal, the M4 being closed probably doesn’t help. Mercedes garage looked open. What lockdown?

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

Our local high street was busy, probably less than a typical Saturday though, but the roads all seemed as busy as you’d expect for a Saturday afternoon. Lots of people out walking and running and lots of groups of cyclists.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

I hope they’d all tested negative for custard.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

A4117 road to Ludlow onto Wales equally busy.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  davews

Keep it up!

Who’s have thought that going for an afternoon walk would constitute extreme subversion …. but it is in more and more countries already. Resist every inch of the way.

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

It is reported that Welsh Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement (formerly known as the Constabulary) have questioned a woman about custard found in her shopping basket and whether this was a necessary purchase.

The authorities wish it to be known that custard attracts Covid like flies to a corpse and that lingering around the custard display can be injurious to your health and that of others.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Do you know why say Japan has so much better record with covid-19 than the UK?
Because they don’t do this useless, brainless, error-strewn mass testing of healthy people.
What the hell is the logic of testing 99.8% of the population who don’t need it? And when you do get a ‘positive’ result it could be false, you could have no symptoms, you may well not be infectious.
Why the hell do people think this is a good idea , a way of getting back to ‘normal’? Does someone envisage conducting monthly test on the whole population? And if they did, what possible use would that have?
And the anti-logic position of the pro-vaxxers is now, you have to have one to keep insured, to be allowed to have an ordinary life, without one you will have to stay locked up. This coming from people who want to stay masked and locked up, to people who are happy to manage the remote risk of illness by dropping restrictions now.
The world has gone through the ‘looking glass’ , truth is lies and vice versa.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

I also read that the % of their older people who are obese is 4%, UK 29%, New York 40%. This is one of the difficulties in comparing outcomes in countries. People like to bleat about how East Asian countries used magic powers to beat the virus, but maybe they are just thinner.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes they are generally healthier, and they don’t use western drugs that harm the immune system. However none of that would stop them catching a virus, for instance 2018/9 was a very bad year for them with flu. But it does stop their elderly getting very ill and dying in the same numbers. My point was that they are selective who they test, so they do test any care homes where they think there is an outbreak.
I have found no logical explanation of why testing a huge proportion of the population does anything except produce meaningless numbers.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

There’s some evidence that prior exposure to SARS 1 & other coronavirus’ may contribute. It’s a bit of a mystery why more doesn’t seem to have been published/researched.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Seems the most likely explanation to me. No country in E Asia has been significantly affected irrespective of demographics or govt intervention.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Indeed, it is utter madness and seems to be the only Plan B that people have after lockdowns, all part of the “something must be done” mindset. If only we could do track and trace better, they say, but are unable to explain how. We may one have the technology (thank God we don’t!) but as of now we simply don’t and it is futile.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

They have a poor flu record, perhaps due in part to their weird obsession with face masks.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Quite early it was being said that obesity made the effects of covid worse, as it does for many conditions. And there are plenty of obese people in the UK and in the USA.

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alw
alw
4 years ago

Just heard that Nordic Walking groups on Hampstead Heath cancelled. Perhaps someone in Government can explain why…..no I thought not.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Ask them to explain why!

Cowards. Sorry, but I’m disgusted.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Are there mink on the Heath?

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

But support groups of up to 15 are allowed

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

A support group taking exercise together would seem to be the best of both worlds.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago

I, and 2 others, collected puppies from a Welsh breeder on 4th November. The breeder had consulted with local Police in Wales who deemed it an essential and therefore permissible journey to meet us on the Welsh/English border. The puppies were 7 weeks and 4 days old. The original collection date had been 7th November, when they were 8 weeks. I believe the Kennel Club issued a statement on 14th May 2020 saying that DEFRA had deemed the collection of pups as essential during a lockdown period. It is of course absolutely vital that pups leave their mother at this stage otherwise their development can be compromised and training made more difficult. The Police were wrong to fine the woman in the article and she should never have paid. She should sue for the return of her money.

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Sue
Sue
4 years ago
Reply to  Sue

ohhh i have a double!! 🙂

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Sue

Which one is the Real You?

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alw
alw
4 years ago

Taking it to extremes in Wales.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

LOL
First laugh of the day, I needed that. Thanks!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Lots more sheeple to round to round up now!

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

Just watching a livestream (on Facebook) of the Birmingham protest – looks like there are thousands in the crowd.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

why not share the link?

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

From a Joe Public point of view, believing all the headlines etc, would you not by now be questioning the masks and measures? How could 20,000 – 25,000 people a day be infected if masks, SD etc worked or do they really think it is the selfish few that is causing all this? Just trying to understand how people can not be questioning anything. Sad state of affairs.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

It’s odd, though I think people really want it to be possible to “defeat” this virus, especially after all the sacrifices made.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Thinking of this and remembering an image posted here a few days ago, I began to wonder if mask face-nappy wearing actually CAUSED an increase in cases? The image showed how cases rose sharply AFTER mask face-nappy wearing was required.
Maybe this was what was intended? Just a thought.
And one of the symptoms, as I understand it, of this virus is hypoxia.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

Masks do cause an increase. People don’t antisocially distance when they’re wearing them (assuming antisocial distancing has some small positive effect).

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Certainly if and when worn outside.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

There has been a lot said about the many ways in which masks increase illness, from covid or anything else.

Of themselves they depress the immune system, they convert droplets into aerosols that are breathed back in, they breed bacteria and fungi, and they decrease available oxygen which damages every organ in the body, especially the brain.

Lowers IQ temporarily and permanently, and triggers dementia.

Trigger for asthma and the fibres and chemicals encourage lung cancer and pneumonia.

I’m sure there’s more.

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Because the PTB blame those who don’t wear masks for the ongoing show.

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

I am increasingly convinced that Covid is being used as cover for the Great Reset, either through opportunism or by (more likely IMHO) design. It seems from the synchronized approach around the world that the heads of state are taking their orders from on high and they are either willing accomplices seeking profit / advancement in the firm, or perhaps compromised Hunter Biden style. There is one aspect that has me curious and hasn’t been discussed as far as I’m aware : How is Sweden allowed to avoid these crazy measures?

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

Someone has suggested that it’s because Sweden is basically already a cashless society with a digital ID already in place so a lot of the work is already done.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

Another good theory

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

But I think a big component of the plan is to make everyone destitute, which would involve lockdowns?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

They are patient. Remember this is about long term ideas which have their origin in the 19th century. The bad ideas are bigger than the current proponents. Like a whirlpool or black hole, the bad ideas suck people in and continue on decade after decade, even if individuals leave or die.

Explained here, though not especially well as I didn’t have time to do an upgrade/re-write https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/the-conflict-of-ideas

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

But do you really believe pushing through a cashless society democratically would be that difficult in any developed country?

I don’t. I think given that most people already shun cash (including myself a lot of the time), a clear majority would just accept it as progress.

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

I think given that most people already shun cash …, a clear majority would just accept it as progress.

They’d be wrong, as they are about masks and lockdowns.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

Cash still allowed over here 🙂
True regarding using digital signature via a bank app to sign into a lot of systems.

For ID to get prescriptions, pick up parcels etc, most people use a driving licence. ID here is considered to be something with a photo, personal number (population register number) and, like passports, with security features like hologrammes..

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

We’ve touched on it and reached no conclusion.

IMO it demonstrates that they, the PTB (powers that be) are not in complete control, yet, and that they are not a single entity, but several different entities working in collusion with one another. One day, possibly, they will fight it out between themselves as to which one comes out on top.

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I think that is probably the case – aligned interests just for now, with battles to come. I do wonder also where Boris is in all this. Do you remember right at the very start of this year as part of his “new broom” posturing along with Dom Cummings (e.g. picking a fight with the civil service) he made a great show of saying that he wouldn’t be going to Davos and wouldn’t allow anyone else in his Govt. to go either. Was he aware of the plan and wanted no part, or aware of the plan but wanted to appear distanced from it?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

I think we must conclude the latter. Others have posted links from a couple of years ago of his general support for WEF stuff.

I’ve been wondering about the role of Dom Cummings as well. I think all that ‘picking a fight’ stuff was a clear diversion. He did employ a few people but then gave them no support or protection from the Wokies and they left. If it had been genuine we’d have seen immediate support for free speech at the universities.

There’s a friendly article at the DT from 10 years ago where Johnson talks about his mate Piers Corbyn, but concludes that Piers is wrong abut ‘climate change’ …. as if a classicist can know better than a heavy-duty meteorologist/physicist!

If interested, there’s a pamphlet Piers Corbyn wrote a year ago here
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/booklets

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I am surprised that Prince Charles very openly and publicly supports the WEF. I have a feeling that he may be a ”useful idiot” (though I don’t think he IS an idiot, but may be naive, thinking the best of everyone) drawn in deliberately to give credence and respectability to a questionable organisation. (As was his brother in a totally difference one. Or was it ”totally different”? One wonders these days who is in the web, let alone who’s spinning it.)

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

PS Or am I becoming a barking mad conspiracy theorist??

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

No probably not, speaking as an anti-conspiracist myself. I do not know yet for sure, but I am looking into Schwab (reading “The Fourth Industrial Revolution” followed by “Implementing the Fourth Industrial Revolution”, then “The Great Reset”, to give me a feel for the man.

Then look at the WEF. But I don’t think (yet anyway, cannot rule out the possibility) that either the man or the organisation is the evil web a lot seem to spin it as here. A case to answer perhaps, but any political conspiracies I suspect are home grown. Whatever is going in the USA isn’t what’s going on here, or going on in France, or even Germany. Don’t forget the Germans are building and commissioned coal-fired power stations, which is NOT Great Reset agenda.

There is, as far as I can see, no lockstep either. But anyway, the courts might beat me to it.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

The Prince Charles thing is a puzzle, which I think has two main bits to the answer. (It’s such a mad shame because Charles is sound on many things.)

(a) I think he is a well-meaning guy who has been brainwashed. There is a very illuminating picture of Harry’s moment of downfall, when at his (formerly brilliant) Invictus Games, and Obama is sitting next to him like a snake charmer bending Harry’s mind to his own.

Harry in turn has corrupted first Charles and then William, sad to say. I’ve seen the child-corrupts-parent thing many times.

(b) I think they’ve run out of money, and he’s got aboard the biggest gravy train ever , even bigger than the EU and that’s saying something.

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Disbelief
Disbelief
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Regarding Charles, how would you explain the letter which included the imortal line: ‘My husband is planning an accident in my car‘…?

Plus do you not find it remarkable that the queens two sons have both been best friends with the two most notorious peadophiles in living memory…

Savile was brought in as a marriage counsellor if you did not know… Perfectly normal behaviour and nothing strange there then.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

You don’t have to entertain conspiracies (and i don’t) to see the whole family are dysfunctional freaks and misfits .The sooner we jettison this feudal burden on our society the better .

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Ewan Duffy
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

I wasn’t aware that the Windsors were ever credited with possessing intelligence.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

But remember that job advert of Dom’s, looking for geeks… to create an AI technocracy maybe???

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Yes you’re right – and I remember him saying he wanted a future where decisions were made by computer.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

I agree, economies, sustainability, pharma, all fingers in the pie

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

I wondered if Sweden were a sort of ”control experiment”. There are other countries too, of course, with much the same policies.
There was something on Sky News Australia (a much better broadcaster than most) – their Rowan Dean was speaking some weeks ago that the one thing these countries that did not indulge in lockdown have in common is that they are no friends of China’s. Coincidence?

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Reverse coincidence. How does it help China is countries who are friendly towards her destroy their own economies?

I think Carrie first raised the possibility of Sweden as a “control” here a few weeks ago.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

China comes in and buys all their assets and controls them.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Sweden is no friend of China, and the 5g network is not owned or controlled by Huawei..not yet, anyway!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

Sweden is a socialist society which it looks as if they want for us, homes, businesses owned by the state. Not many of the politicians in this country will be electable again after this, so what next…….

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

You cannot honestly believe that we’ve just experienced all of this destruction in order to push through a Swedish-style model of society?

Putting aside the fact that there are some aspects of Swedish society that are far from objectionable, a left-leaning party in this country could quite feasibly win an election democratically on these type of policies.

There has to be more to it than this.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

In Sweden many of a person’s interactions with the main authorities are already digitalised and you use an electronic ID (obtainable from your bank) to sign in.. You create your own password to use the bank ID app but essentially they know a lot about everyone in the population already… As regards health info, you use your digital ID to access your medical notes and can also book appointments that way. This is how I’m imagining the great reset will look, except that all these (at present) separate files on a person might well be merged…

Where did you get the idea that Swedes don’t/can’t own their own homes or businesses though?

Not true…

One other possible reason why Sweden might be being left alone is that it already has a small population relative to the size of the country…

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

That is a scary thought – if they want to get the population density of the uk to Swedish levels – no way am I getting vaccinated!

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Sweden is standing up to the world and showing there is another way . Instead of inventing some nonsense theory you should be supporting them .All the businesses and homes in Sweden are not owned by the state and everyone whose ever been there or read about sweden knows that as a fact .Britain is in no way a socialist country either ,have you ever known a socialist country that hands over 12 billion to a private company (serco ) like we have for track and trace ?.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago

As I explained yesterday about France. Masks compulsory except in one’s own home. You are not allowed out without a document you print from your own computer which is time stamped, and then only for one hour. Major and smaller road junctions have checkpoints.

My friend is standing up to this and should be an example for us all. His report:

I have been out and about in grim maskland, with many obscene people walking the streets. Into an outfitters in order to collect adjusted item of clothing, now wearing much better. K-, whose nameday is today, asked me to wear a mask, frightened of being fined. I declined.

The open market was open, so I bought a few items which were mostly much (much) more expensive than in the supermarkets and I just hope the quality is better too. Handed to the nice storekeepers my Belgian envelope. [A copy of https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/ ]

The bank was empty, spacious, so I entered and the lady made her way from the distant desk to ask whether I did not have a mask. I explained that I needed to see in order to operate the telling machine and that anyway it had nothing to do with any illness and everything to do with fascism and the coup d’état. Also handed her my envelope.

let me tell you also that this envelope contains his contact details. Brave man.

Follow his example.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

France, bar China they’ve implemented the most draconian and hateful lockup in the world. France, number 5 in the COVID league table. Lockups really work then.

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James Leary #KBF
James Leary #KBF
4 years ago

Latest News
By Will Jones / 7 November 2020 / 527 Comments
Operation Moonshine: New Rapid Test Misses More Than Half of Infections

Don’t knock it!

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

Might as well just toss a coin.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  James Leary #KBF

For every test though, that’s another person’s DNA they’ve got on file..

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

The last sentence of Twitty’s letter to Greg Clarke correcting his statement on the Liverpool figures reads:

“The drop in Liverpool specifically is likely to reflect the fact they went into strong measures, widely BROUGHT into, at an early stage, and is good news in every way”

I thought brought was the past tense of bring and that we BOUGHT into things not brought into them.

Pedantic, I know, but graphs aren’t the only thing that Twitty gets wrong. He needs to proof read both more carefully, before he puts his name to them.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn’t he?

Just think – Wittery and Unbalanced are seen on the world stage. Oh dear. People might think they’re the best the UK has to offer. Embarrassing, or what?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn’t he?

Exactly! It’s the old ‘numbers are up during lockdown = we need more lockdown“, and “numbers are down = lockdowns work“.

They can’t lose with that logic.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

So he’s admitted that the local measures work then – why the need for national lockdown?

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Sorry, AC. My point was really about Twitty’s grammar. If he doesn’t proof read the letters he signs, what hope have we got that he checks his graphs?

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Jim Binks
Jim Binks
4 years ago

Went for a none essential drive along M6 M55 lots of traffic good to see. I intend to break the law everyday. I intend to practice civil disobedience everyday and refuse to comply.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

You could just claim you’re keeping your car battery in shape anyway, we did that in the spring as some cars only last 4 weeks or so before your battery is dead if you don’t drive it.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anothersceptic2

… or checking your eyesight?

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

Good idea, we all need a hobby

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

Go it! Defy the Borg!

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago

Just took the wife to Wales to Bangor. No questions asked…

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

What – your wife didn’t ask why you were taking her?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

What – your wife didn’t ask why you were taking her?

Oh boy, that’s funny! Thank you for giving me a good giggle today, c. 😉

“My wife’s gone to the West Indies…”
“Jamaica?”
“No, she went of her own accord.”

Ian Carmichael, Richard Wattis – The Colditz Story (1955)

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Wouldn’t it be more comfortable at home?

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

next time take her up the Oxo tower

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago

Looks like I went to the wrong event today. Almost nobody in London, but it looks like Brighton had a good turnout.

Still, had a great day out on the South Bank. Many vendors open selling draught beer and food. Plenty of people about. What lockdown?

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Good to know. Didn’t go far from home, just through the fields. But could see in the distance there was a lot of traffic on the roads. No questions asked in the village shop about a lack of muzzle – nor any frosty glares either!
Tomorrow I intend to gatecrash the remembrance ceremony (if it hasn’t been cancelled), albeit at a distance. I probably won’t be alone!

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Why not print out one of Mabel Cow’s posters. The one with the soldier would be good. Then buttonhole an MP (not one of the honourable 38/9) and give him/her both barrels.
For one of the honourable 38/9 say thank you, of course.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Go for it. Obviously the economic destruction is real, but the ‘stay at home’ element of this lockdown is an illusion.

Just sat on the train home sans muzzle.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

I’ve just read Dr Sebastian Rushworth’s excellent piece on PCR tests. Well worth the time!
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago

Trying to do a mask poster right now. Has anyone got the link to graphs showing the infections rising straight after mask mandates throughout the EU countries?

I’ve seen it recently but can’t find it anywhere.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

I wonder whether there is a link between the two. See below.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

I think it was above the line a few days ago.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

X

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Great image – worth putting up everywhere…

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Voz 0db
Voz 0db
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

muzzles is just a tool to identify which slaves comply promptly and which don’t.

it’s also a good source of extra revenue via fines.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Thanks Bebop

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Elenesse
Elenesse
4 years ago

Just seen another nauseating post making the rounds on Facebook of an NHS worker in full PPE gear bemoaning that the “rule breakers” have no idea how awful it is for people in the NHS to, you know, do their fecking job. I’m so sick of the emotional manipulation, the NHS has systematically abandoned all those with other illnesses for the last 8 months! What the hell is with the constant worship for an institution that is barely fit for purpose?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

Yeah, it makes it all too tiring to tango, too shagged out to salsa.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

What was it like before Covid? ICUs full of people with ingrown toenails?….

GTF

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

Never been any different, difference is the nhs usually invite the media in to see how ‘overwhelmed’ they are.

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iansn
iansn
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

If its the same one I saw I posted a reply to say does she hate car driver who have accidents, people who give other people flu, fat people, smokers, drinkers etc She never replied but I got a few posts of dick and so on I replied to say Ive had it but didnt die neither do most people and 90.+% dont even end in hospital even fewer in ICU. That shut down anymore replies

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  iansn

Excellent reply. If you’ve got the necessary thick skin for this, take it to the virtue signallers. They are bullies and bullies back down when you go on the offensive.

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TJS123
TJS123
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

I doubt if these posts are the work of actual NHS workers though, more likely propaganda from other sources. And many NHS departments, including mine, have been working our socks off to continue to provide our service despite the restrictions imposed on us from above.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  TJS123

Working your socks off, but still not doing anything like the job, the NHS is supposed to do. As you mention restrictions, can you tell us whether these are imposed by the NHS itself, or whether they come from government?

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Sylvie
Sylvie
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

A lot of it is reduced capacity because of social distancing, which makes sense, given hospitals concentrate sick people together.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  Elenesse

There were a lot of fake ‘leaks’ from ‘NHS staff’ the last time around (albeit pro-lockdown BS) so no reason to think any different now. I know quite a few people working in medicine at various levels, a couple are the types I probably wouldn’t get far talking skepticism with, but none have ever come across as zealots and a couple have actually admitted to accidentally or deliberately breaking rules so far.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Legal actions against government overreach gather momentum
United Nations onboard with the Great Reset
Also mentions Simon Dolan’s legal case, Michael O’Bernicia’s against UK Government and Parlimentarians and others.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/anh-feature-legal-actions-against-government-overreach-gather-momentum/

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Continued…..

In late September Michael O’Bernicia served every Member of Parliament with a notice of intended private criminal prosecution the would be followed up if they continued to support the Coronavirus Act 2020. The pressure is being maintained on the majority of MPs who didn’t opposed the Act.

Now the Government and Cabinate have been served notice, the unfolding story described in The Bernician’s latest Facebook post below. 

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Can someone give me an idea as to how likely any of that Michael O B stuff has of working?

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

I can’t make it out and would like to know as well. What I can say is that:

(a) Reiner Fuellmich’s group is deadly serious

(b) Any and all legal activity against the gov is important

(c) All of them depend upon support from the public at large. This is where we come in, to debrainwash people, to pull people out who are half-persuaded by the propaganda, and to create a wave of awareness of their crimes.

Talk to individuals one-to-one – find out where their thinking is already – and then try to bring them onto the next stage.

Posters and leaflets are also good, so long as they avoid triggering ‘conspiracy theory’ reactions …. very important!

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Nick Rose
Nick Rose
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

People are thinking very differently from the last lockdown. Back in March it was near 90% compliance and acceptance, now a lot, lot lower. No two ways about that.

Police cars are trawling through car parks in country areas, demanding to know what people are doing there. But I sense this war is running in our favour now.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

the tide is turning though I see more people wearing masks in the streets unlike people like myself who remove their mask on leaving a shop

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

I wonder why the police are doing this – people are “allowed” to leave home for exercise?

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

here’s a thought – if you get police asking questions, people should just take it in turns to tie them (the police) up (not literally!) in really long boring pointless quiet and non-aggressive conversations for as long as possible – thus leaving everyone else free to get on with their lives

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

0%

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

He won a massive case against RBS previously

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

That is a good question. I have done some online research and I am happy that he is not a fantasist and has a lot of credibility resulting from his work on mortgage fraud. Will it work? I hope so.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

Forget it .not a chance in a million .

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Lots of graphs and numbers….
Lies, damned lies and [UK government] statisticsUnpicking the misinformation on which lockdowns are based

Why is dialogue being shut down

Whatever our differences of views, based on the huge, varied and variable data quality we’re able to access, there’s one thing that normally helps us resolve things. It’s called dialogue. But the concerted effort around the world to shut down conversations and dialogue that’s at odds with the masterplan being enacted by governments and controlled by intergovernmental and non-governmental organisations such as the United Nations and its various agencies like the WHO and UNDP, the World Economic Forum, the International Monetary Fund and others, is – wait for it – unprecedented.

If you don’t toe the party line, you get shut down, censored or marginalised.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/lies-damned-lies-and-uk-government-statistics/

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Shut up you 🙂

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

Vitamin D

While governments use draconian restrictions that curtail and remove the most basic of human rights to ‘fight’ a virus of relatively low virulence and moderately contagious they continue to ignore the pandemic created by vitamin D deficiency around the globe.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/news-alerts-week-45-2020/

Test & Take: Vitamin Dhttps://www.anhinternational.org/campaigns/test-take-vitamin-d/

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

went to my nearest Sainsbury supermarket. In the vitamin section it was noticeable that the Vitamin D shelf was completely empty. Plenty of other vitamins were available

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

We always start taking it when the clocks go back, but this year I pre- emptively ordered a whole winter’s worth. It’s very cheap so I dont know why it’s not given automatically to the elderly housebound.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

already heard an ad on LBC pushing it. The Govt need to give some advice-even revise the NDA- I’m wondering if this was the light at the end of the tunnel that Matt might have been alluding to a while back. Time will tell

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

The delusion

Covid 19 is so dangerous it will kill a large section of the population if we do not stop it. The economy and peoples freedom are worth sacrificing for the greater good

The reality

Statistics

Deaths with covid WRONG
Deaths from covid WRONG
Positive tests WRONG
Cases WRONG
Hospital admissions WRONG
Infections WRONG

…………………………….

Government policy WRONG

Charts WRONG

Accepted science WRONG

Mass testing WRONG

Propaganda WRONG

Draconian fines WRONG

The press WRONG

Modelling WRONG

MP’s WRONG

Predictions WRONG

Hitting women with batons WRONG

Track and trace WRONG

Facemasks WRONG

The people in charge WRONG

Impact assessments NIL

Critical thinking NIL

Parliamentary scrutiny NIL

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Kelly deacons
Kelly deacons
4 years ago

Lovely Saturday afternoon.Had a planned visit from my sister,her husband,niece,her b friend,four children…..differant households,outside *bubble*,non essential visit.

Unexpected knock at door.I answered,expected police,ready to give them a mouthful.It was a delivery of my garden loppers!

Reflecting on what we have become,when an unexpected knock at door on sat.afternoon could be police breaking up the family,possible fine,..and yes they would have had to arrest me cos I would not comply.

May God forgive this govt and collaborators,because I never will.History will not judge them kindly.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Kelly deacons

I truly think that the government has lost the argument.
What needs to happen now is for people to see this con for what it is.

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Jo Dominic
Jo Dominic
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

What needs to happen now is that the shops pubs etc reopen with immediate effect!

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Basileus
Basileus
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominic

.. and the churches.

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

……..and without face nappies.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

They certainly lost anything that was an ‘argument’ way, way back.

The trouble is that a lot of people haven’t cottoned on to the fact that they’re in a fact-free bubble. Look at the numbers queuing in Liverpool for an inaccurate test that would be pointless even if it was accurate.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

and without all the stay 2m apart bollocks and stupid fucking plastic screens everywhere.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Kelly deacons

Actually I think God should judge them, and assign some to hell. There comes a point where people have made their choice.

More importantly, we need to see them tried at The Hague.

Keep pushing back, keep reminding the politicians and the likes of Whitty about their duty of care under our ancient Common Law. No legislation will extract them from that duty of care.

We all need to work work work to ensure these people see human justice, and not leave all the dirty work to God. Otherwise it might be us who he decides should land up in hell…. hell on earth we most certainly will be in if we do not work work work.

Well done the people making posters!

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Kelly deacons

“expected police”

Please don’t do that, Kelly. You start thinking like that, they start to win!

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

You are right of course but there were at least 3 of us today who were nervous about our meeting and whether we would have any trouble with either police or a nosy Karen with a mobile phone.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Kelly deacons

I’m going to rewatch Deutschland 83 and make notes.

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Zak Thelotofem
Zak Thelotofem
4 years ago

PCR tests busted! (thanks Banjones)

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/06/how-accurate-are-the-covid-tests/

Last edited 4 years ago by Zak Thelotofem
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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Zak Thelotofem

Very good explanation of what most of us here have known for some time. This is a clear illustration of how PCR testing can never show that the pandemic is over. Sometimes simple mathematics can seem so alien to those who choose not to think things through for themselves, instead trusting their (incorrect) instincts.

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago

Biden wins. How long before America are dropping bombs again on countries?

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

No he hasn’t. CNN and the AP have jumped the gun here. It’s a narrative to push the idea that Trump should “give up gracefully”. The trouble is there are real problems with voting data and patterns as well as the reports of anomalies.

The Secretary of State is who calls the winner not the press

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Trump live press conf now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H10wZ4SszM

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

I’m still not expecting a legally confirmed winner until next month at the earliest, there will be recounts and challenges in several states.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yes. There’s a whole process that was put in place by the Founding Fathers that normally you don’t see unless you’ve got issues. They understood human nature

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Seems the world and his wife want Biden to win. Based on what I have no idea. Mind you I am still baffled by the Trump win, other than to reflect that Hilary Clinton makes me feel sick.

Anyway, with US focus – what is the situation there in summary ? Seems like every democratic supporter is a mask loony who wants to continue this bullshit forever more, whereas every Republican is presented as red cap wearing gun toting knobend determined to kill ethnic children.

Scarcasm aside, what’s the reality of the US in terms of deaths / waves / hospitalisations ? Are they finding their average age of death lower / higher than rest of the world ? What’s going on there ? Broad question I know but I have been trying very hard to avoid MSM.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

The Yuan jumped when they announced it. Good old China Joe.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkaboutit

I watched a video recently showing a meme about Beijing called for Biden, 105% reported!

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Biden has updated his Twitter account to call himself President-Elect, and the bio also includes the infamous and ominous phrase ‘building back better’…..

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

Look at the picture of him here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

Evening sceptics, reporting back from town this afternoon after some required shopping.
Despite being formally in a second full lockdown, it definitely doesn’t feel like March/April again. General traffic, both pedestrian and car, a little quieter but still fairly active. Same with the park, with still unlocked playground getting good usage and the new “rule of 1” getting the compliance it deserves.
Buses deserted again, not that there were many passengers before.
Shops still relatively active, with this time a few more still open, or doing pre-order collection or takeaway. No sign of a marshall, wonder if they’ve been moved elsewhere. Muzzleage about 98%, with the bloody poppy ones noticeably out, but a handful of mask-free individuals around, mainly with lanyards. I went unchallenged and wasn’t the only one in one shop. Does make me cringe when someone muzzles up with a rag from a pocket or bag, they are asking to get ill.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Serves em right.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

It does, but if they all get tested because of it we’ll pay too.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I would be more sympathetic to that kind of mask-wearer, because I would surmise they think it’s all bollocks but just put it on to avoid confrontation or a fine.

I’m also sceptical about masks being dangerous and don’t want to see us turn into bedwetters over this.

I would rather stick to the argument against masks on the basis of a) ineffectiveness, b) disproportionality, and c) anathema to freedom.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Yeah, I’m not brave enough to go properly maskless yet but am on a halfway house of putting my not-actually-a-mask covering (which is actually handy as a facewarmer on cold mornings and evenings, thin enough to breathe through though) over mouth only. No trouble in shops so far.

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MDH
MDH
4 years ago

And now for some positive news from the People’s Republic of Lambeth. This afternoon, with some trepidation, the OH and I headed to the nearby park. Trepidation, because at the time of the original lockdown, the park was a hotbed of “Covid marshalls”, aggressive runners, and insane levels of Covid shuffling.

Today, by contrast, the park was very busy with people enjoying the autumn sunshine, chatting, and sitting in groups(!). Better yet, an intrepid group of lads had scaled the fence to one of the basketball courts and were happily shooting hoops.

As seems to be Lambeth’s policy, the outdoor gym equipment was for the most part surrounded by fencing. As was the BMX track. But… here the fence has been breached, and the track was filled with children and teenagers riding the course while a large group of parents looked on approvingly.

No-one seemed in any way concerned, and there were very few masks in evidence. This area is a Metro-Left paradise (or so its inhabitants seem to think), but it seems that when it comes to Covid, the good folks of Brixton and environs have had enough. Perhaps someone should tell the wretched council leader. And, for that matter, the capital’s mayor-without-a-mandate.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

I am left wing but your report cheered me up no end.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

My OH reports similar scenes from elsewhere in S London including Greenwich

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Great! But what does OH mean?

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Other half

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Ta.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Yes, Greenwich indoor market rammo.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

It was sunny in the north on Saturday and the local park was full with people, who now haven’t got much else they can do. As yet, the council haven’t closed the car park or the tennis courts. Literally hundreds of people, very little social distancing and only two old fools were seen wearing masks.

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MDH
MDH
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Really pleased to have brought a bit of brightness to your day! I should say that I’d have considered myself a “natural” left winger in the past, but like so many, I feel that the modern left has (groan) left me behind. I’m a chippy working-class kid made good, and not really a natural fit anywhere, politically.
But the important thing on here is that we are united across the political spectrum in seeing this catastrophe for what it is.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Well said and thanks for your comment.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

that’s how i feel too.love all the comments here i have so few friends who are against the lockdowns and masks so this is a bright spot in my day

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  sam

Pluck up the courage to talk to strangers, Sam, and find yourself a new group of friends. It’s an amazing why to find like-minded people, much better than online lonely hearts apps.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rosie
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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

thank you rosie ,i only had the courage to finally go to a store with no mask [ no scarf really ] a week or 2 ago , [only one there with no mask too] from reading the wonderful commnets here !

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

We are all politically homeless currently aren’t we.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Hear, hear!!! More people not really following guidance now but still loads of people muzzled up.

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Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Don’t despair,remember the film: “12 angry men”

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip.

Tony Hancock? 🙂

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NappyFace
NappyFace
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Exactly the same in my area of north London. Games courts of all sorts full, people out enjoying the sun, football on the lawns. No one here believes the nonsense, and rightly so, because it is complete bullshit lies.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Nice to hear, there was similar park activity in the South West today, it does seem that most are tiring of it all all over.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Pub in my village busier than when it was open! Doing takeaways, people queueing (maskless) for beers and all standing around outside, good to see. And a guy returning home with his dog commented on how busy it was, so I said it was good to see the pub keeping their business going, and he replied “absolutely”. One rare happy moment.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Yes, in my part of NW London there doesn’t seem to be any restrictions to play areas, outdoor gym equipment or various sports courts.

No gestapo around either.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Ditto and I live in NW London too.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

this is the way the lockdown ends – with normal people doing normal things everywhere every day in unstoppably huge numbers…

Last edited 4 years ago by dommo
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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

The ‘exercise apart’ signs on my local basketball court are hilarious: they show two stick figures raising opposite arms in a kind of spoof deodorant advert pose.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago

The other day I mentioned I was optimistic this would be the last lockdown given the ridiculous lack of justification and probable widespread flouting of the rules. On the other hand, we hear a lot of people talking about “learning to live with the virus”, which on the face of it sounds like what most of us here would argue for. But instead of lockdown, is what these people really mean permanent social distancing, mask wearing, plexiglass, hazard tape and all the rest of the stuff that makes everyday life so oppressive? Because that certainly doesn’t work for me.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

That is definitely a worry. Some of these objectionable features could become permanent.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

They will as these are the things that have been used to hoodwink the sheep into thinking they have freedom when in fact they have handed back their freedom in following the guidelines.

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Poppy
Poppy
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Remember that all the objectionable measures these psychos are proposing are totally against human nature. Humans need close contact, interaction, things to look forward to, etc. Some sort of package of measures may stay in place for a while but it will likely be ignored by the vast majority. A year of insanity will not undo millions of years of evolution.

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Sceptic in Oxford
Sceptic in Oxford
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

What bothers me most is masks. Where’s the end game? Germs exist year in,year out so even when zeolots finally accept it’s over, I’m really concerned they’ll push for them every winter and/or in every public space.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic in Oxford

Same here really. I hate the things and all they stand for with a passion.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic in Oxford

The end game is slavery. WEF masks look just like old-style save masks

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic in Oxford

me too that’s what i hate the most the masks.i never bought one , used a thin fabric with lots of nice holes [ tulle ] as a scarf when went to store ,will try again after one successful shopping trip with no scarf to shop with no scarf .

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic in Oxford

Let ’em push.

No one likes them. They’re useless. They make one look like a twat.

March/April next year, gone for good.

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Sceptic in Oxford
Sceptic in Oxford
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

I really hope you’re right. Maybe I’m down today because I was talking to a shopkeeper I know. I was asking how business is. We were outdoors but he kept his on and, mid-conversation said, “I know you’re not wearing one but, look at that: 4 people over there walking along not wearing them.” Basically, he didn’t want to insult me (a former customer) but clearly thinks everyone should wear them outdoors too.

I gave him facts, our arguments here about other illnesses left untreated, the economy, masks don’t work etc. Not swayed at all.

Put me on a downer all afternoon.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic in Oxford

i’ve yet to convince a single person. is very discouraging but the good news is i see on the internet so many are rebelling no masks, maybe all people need to see is more and more people rebelling. the french resistance took a while to get more people to join too , i’ve read .

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I’m still hopeful. Remember that all the crap we’ve had shoved at us takes a lot of time, effort and resources to impose and even the most dutiful apparatchik will eventually get worn down. I recall someone who had visited the DDR and seen the Iron Curtain who remarked ‘if you think the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, check out oppression’.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

All this for a scam democracy.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

Just walked along the edge of a field as a hazmat suited farmer sprayed god knows what on the field from a massive tractor. Bugger, no mask, for the 1st time in 6 months when I could have done with one. Still the insecticide or whatever should keep the Rona away.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Makes me think of my last visit to a cafe for lunch. My friend and I were sat at a big table and the woman working there starting spraying the other half of the table with stuff. It caught in my throat and I remembered the fuss a couple of years ago about the harm of household spray cleaners – reputedly as bad for lungs than smoking. Yeah, downside to no mask.
BTW has anyone else felt like taking up smoking? My partner and I were considering it. He only gave up about 7 years ago, I smoked a limited amount for a few years, aeons ago. But it seems quite tempting now. Anyone for a cigar?

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

All this spraying down surfaces with stuff to kill viruses (and bacteria in most cases) will come back to haunt some – it can’t do the lungs and respiratory tract much good.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Good job I hate housework.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Inhaling some of these sprays induces as asthma attack – but perhaps that is just an excuse to get out of the housework (and spend more time on LS!)

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Nah it’s too expensive and most of it goes to HMRC.

I’ve heard glue sniffing is quite economical though.

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JohnB
JohnB
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

One can grow tobacco here quite easily.

Glue sniffing can kill on the first time – not funny.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

“Glue sniffing can kill on the first time”

Very economical in some cases then…

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

That stuff is seriously poisonous and a mask would not have helped.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago

BBC is fucking gross, watching final score, repeated mentions of the US election when describing games. How the fuck does Rotherham utd playing in Red letting in an equaliser by Preston in Blue have any correlation to the us election (biden blue, trump red)

Preston scored a winner in the 94th minute….ha

Canvey island through to the 2nd round of the cup, all the players hugging and kissing. Joke ain’t it.

All a pantomime.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

They play at the New York Stadium

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Andrew
Andrew
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

The BBC will be happy that America will be back bombing other countries very soon.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrew

and signing the Paris climate agreement and then ignoring it like Obama did.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

The Paris Accord is a tool of oppression and destruction and corruption. So Obama applied it to others but not to himself and his chums.

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Nobbers got beat 2-1

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

They did, no mention of trump when they won

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Have gone right off football without fans. I hope the whole pyramid crumbles.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Me too as soon as my team started selling gimp masks in the style and colour of our old kits that was it for me. Think I might start fishing again.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Same here formerly big tennis fan.

Wish I’d not even tried as the image of ball children running around with their faces covered haunts my eyes day and night (it does, genuinely)

Let the cold fury drive your actions !!

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

One thing I don’t understand is, Denmark has been taken off the travel corridor as of 4AM this morning due to this mink business. As it was, this was already announced on Thursday. Denmark have been back on the travel corridor for the last month but their covid figures were way above the 20per 100,000 threshold. Still I’m sure T&T can detect all recent visitors from Denmark?

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago

DT reporting mink flavoured Corona found in 6 countries. Now I know you’re not allowed to find it amusing but an involuntary sardonic grin may have momentarily crossed by face just before my brows furrowed.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Tut tut. You mean to say they weren’t masking the minks?

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Zak Thelotofem
Zak Thelotofem
4 years ago

As the great Barry Davies once said, “interesting….very interesting!”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-vaccine-taskforce-chief-manages-investments-for-drug-firms-qcvxvdb6h?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1604737102

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James Marker
James Marker
4 years ago

So, the pro-lockdown, WEF candidate for the American presidency has finally been declared the winner. How long will he last? Biden is in the early stages of dementia according to some who have known him for many years. The real tragedy is that Kamala Harris is likely to take over at some point in the next four years. That is the point when America could shift dramatically to the left – the point when a WOKE great reset is ushered in. Not a good day!

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  James Marker

Biden is a trojan horse to get a woman in the White House.

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chris
chris
4 years ago
Reply to  James Marker

Biden has declared himself with MSM cheerleaders.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  James Marker

Not necessarily – why will the anti-woke, small “c” conservatives and right wing people change their stance? The left wing liberals will eat each other as they all try to move further left.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

I think you’re quite right. And the Senate will likely stay in Republican hands which means any Green New Deal, etc. will be DOA. Executive orders can only go so far; no woke legislation will pass both houses of congress.

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Pvenkman
Pvenkman
4 years ago
Reply to  James Marker

He hasn’t been declared the winner by anyone with the authority to declare the winner its only the press, they did the same in 2000 for al gore and we all know how that worked out.
This has a long way to go.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  James Marker

Declared but not confirmed, some states are still counting and the definitely dodgy practices will be challenged. Could all be decided by the Supreme Court again like in 2000.
And even if he does win, the Republicans might still have a Senate majority to constrain the worst of his agenda.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  James Marker

Look on the bright side – Biden may be shite, and the Democrats as raddled as Labour is here, but the groping Sulky Satsuma with the brain of a 5-year old spoiled brat won’t be issuing any more incoherent and illiterate tweets. Remember – he didn’t win the popular vote last time, either.

Some don’t seem to have cottoned on to the fact that Trump’s Covid stance wasn’t anything to do with principle any more than was that of the Democrats. It was purely political posturing. Even stopped clocks get something right twice a day.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Can ex presidents who have served one term stand for another term?

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yes I think so.

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thinkaboutit
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yes

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Andy C
Andy C
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

They can, it’s happened before.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

“he didn’t win the popular vote last time, either.“

And equally, last time, he had almost the entirety of the mainstream media and big tech propagandising against him. The only differences are that this time they were even more open about it and Biden outspent him by an even more colossal amount.

Hmm, perhaps there could be some connection between propaganda spend and power, and popular support. Perhaps it’s similar to how support for lockdowns has been manufactured by propaganda. Who’d’a thunk, eh? Perhaps advertising works!

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I can see the logic of a pro trump stance on lockdown but to be honest not a lot will change without Biden winning a landslide .Biden can not lock the whole country down any more than Trump could force it all to open up because each state makes so much of it’s own rules that things will stay much as they are .America is a very free market capitalist country and the idea that the state will pay the population not to work is just not going to happen or be allowed .I believe in spite of what a lot of people think on this site there is no sinister plan going on ,just that Trump came to lockdown scepticism too late and would of won if he had of said all this stuff about opening up back in the summer . What a lot of people can’t except is that he dithered .At the start of this he was anti mask then he went to saying it was peoples patriotic duty to wear them and then near the election he seemed to go more back to his earlier position .Forget Trump we need to fight our battle here and remember what ever happens the struggle continues .

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Chicot
Chicot
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yeah, lets look on the bright side. The senile puppet will go back to murdering people all over the world in the usual foreign wars, will mandate masks for everyone, everywhere and it will be full steam ahead for the Great Reset.

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Melangell
Melangell
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Got it in one Rick – thanks for posting the obvious to most of us.

Last edited 4 years ago by Melangell
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Jakehadlee
Jakehadlee
4 years ago
Reply to  James Marker

America – and much of the rest of the world – will lurch massively to the right over the next four years. Biden will be out and the woke will long for the days of Trump. None of it is going to end well

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Drafting a letter as and when I get time but here are the contact details of the Crown Prosecution Service:

https://contact.cps.gov.uk

https://www.cps.gov.uk/about-cps/cps-areas-cps-direct-cps-central-casework-divisions-and-cps-proceeds-crime

Or the National Crime Agency:

https://nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/contact-us

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

Today was/is a large demo in Leipzig.
The date was chosen especially, remembering the last Monday demo on 7.11.1989. 2 days later the Mauer was opened.
I haven’t followed it, the speeches were stopped early by the police as the crowds could not keep to the distance guidelines and most do not wear a face covering, so they spontaneously started walking down a main street, holding candles. Numbers are too large for the police to deal with. Coverage on YT not very good, seems the system is overloaded.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

so I’m guessing if you (man-auf deutsch) never have lived during the DDR time the police action today would be a small reminder

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John Galt
John Galt
4 years ago

Trip to ALDI. No problems as ever. Saw one other woman without a mask, she had a lanyard on.

Interestingly, none of the checkout staff were wearing them, with the exception of one woman who had hers around her neck. Seems like they’re completely fed up of it now, which is good to see.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  John Galt

This ties in with what I’ve been seeing over the past few days. Its not only supermarkets but even in non-food stores I noticed more and more staff not wearing masks.

It’s not only that they’re fed up methinks but I suspect many of them have been complaining of dizzy spells, nausea, chest infections, rashes, impetigo, etc.

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago

My son has just returned from a nearby park (and outdoor gym equipment – no sign of any fencing to prevent the use of the equipment). He said that it was busier than usual and certainly a marked difference compared to lockdown 1.0. This is a Labour Party stronghold.

Last edited 4 years ago by Ozzie
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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Playparks I went by today were not only open but pretty well used.

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NappyFace
NappyFace
4 years ago

You people are an utter disappointment to your central planners.

Time and again we have told you to feel the fear and hide indoors. Ideally with your masks on even when alone in your houses.

How dare you question our data and our narrative. This is for experts to decide. And not just any old experts, but our own vetted and authorised experts. Dissenters are nothing but common criminals.

Cower, you filthy swine! Beg us for harsher measures. Beg us to track your every move and regularly vaccinate you.

Beg us to cancel the democratic process for your own protection.

Fear is courage. Freedom is lockdown. Masks are faces.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

Been a disappointment to someone my whole life starting with my parents then teachers and so on so no change there.

Used to it by now.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

You never disappoint here!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

You’re a hero here!

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  NappyFace

MSM is truth. Virtual is in-person. We are always at War with Covid.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago

I think this has already been posted, but worth a read if you missed it – if you can stand the fear-mongering bollocks:

The Telegraph (free):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/europe-track-third-wave-covid-unless-lessons-summer-heeded-ecdc/

(and there’s some good comments)

Last edited 4 years ago by Tenchy
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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

Gawd. They should change the record now – there’s no second wave, what makes them think there will be a third one??

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Us “not following the rules” over Christmas, it’ll be the new Eat Out to Help Out.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Anything to keep the fear going….

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Andy Riley
Andy Riley
4 years ago

Protest in Leipzig:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg3m2S7z1KE

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago

Off topic bit good news:

Supreme Court Justice Alito gave an order to take away all votes that showed up in Pennsylvania after 8 PM on Tuesday and segregate them out for inspection by federal authorities.

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/11/06/breaking-orders-from-up-on-high-justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-to-separate-late-ballots/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-020951134.html

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Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago

Apology if already posted. Interesting 8 mins interview with Graham Hutchinson, ex-Senior Chief Biomedical Scientist. There are now many strains of Covid19, more contagious but less harmful, the flu vaccine and masks. You are more likely to get influenza with a cloth mask and masks are basically useless- so where has the influenza gone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFXRnDCYkc

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

… is this what the Danish study found I wonder (regarding cloth masks)?

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

I’m convinced it did, yes.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

It’s a fantastic short video but i would urge everyone to watch and pass on to as many people as possible .

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  wat tyler

Here’s a link to some comments I posted on 2020-11-05 about Graham Hutchinson’s video.

My comments include his credentials and a list of papers that he has co-authored. These facts might help you sell this guy to others.

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago
Reply to  Mabel Cow

Thank you Mabel .Lets hope we can all sell him on . I’m glad he supports Mike Yeadon 100%.These are the people we need on side .

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mattghg
mattghg
4 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

This *was* one of the links in the post you’re commenting on…

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Ok, the US has old creepy Joe, a President that half the world will only see as a fraud and joke. Soros, Gates etc you have your man, well done ! can we have our freedoms back now please ?

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Not yet they don’t.Only the media has declared him President.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
4 years ago

Please someone send this letter to Toby and get LS to start a campaign to BAN MASKS IN AND AROUND SCHOOLS – they are a HUGE safety risk. No one should conceal identity around children. Children should NOT BE concealing identity! Never mind the obvious horrific health risks of masks on children, it is a SAFETY ISSUE! Do we have to wait until a child is abducted by a masked imposter who fools a teacher??? We MUST BAN MASKS IN SCHOOLS URGENTLY!!!
https://www.tes.com/news/what-should-you-do-if-student-refuses-wear-mask?fbclid=IwAR1qc9Zb-V0R4A_RzITebmD3ngKftGxwaPDyAMq2iRvapMJ7DkCkK6Vqqo0

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Get in touch with UsForThem
They are doing things for the children, but what exactly IDK

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

It came from UsForThem but we need more… a mass movement to ban masks in and around schools urgently. It’s dangerous. It’s child abuse. Why is anyone tolerating this?!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

I’ve been asking the same thing and urging parents to take this on.

Have you seen what Margareta Griesz-Brisson has to say? I feel sure she would get involved in a popular campaign.

I’ve tackled parents in the street on this one, the shocking shocking sight of a child whose heart and mind are being broken by her parents hovering round the child in masks. The most basic human need, to see a warm and loving face.

I’ve also been trying to work out how to get campaigns such as this off the ground. Message me here and I’ll tell you my ideas which you might be able to use. https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

BRAINWASHING ALERT
Nurseries are now asking parents to wear masks when waiting outside to pick up their children. On the first day of this edict my grandson’s first words on seeing his maskless mum were ‘where’s your mask mummy?’

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

That letter makes me feel physically ill, and violent.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Send to lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

That’s utterly disgusting, but at least the comments give me some hope.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  leggy

Every one of them against

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

It is important to create a culture where mask wearing becomes second nature. Schools need to promote mask wearing and communicate the benefits to all through form time, assemblies, posters and modelling. 
It takes time and constant reinforcement to establish social norms, but until those norms are established, the use of sanctions will be necessary to support and promote the message in the meantime. 

Chilling stuff! I’d want my kids out of a school whose head could write that.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I will NEVER accept a society where you cannot see a face. It creeps me out…
I hardly go shopping, seeing the adverts with people wearing masks gives me anxiety.
Just went shopping, 2 till operators masks less and I deliberately went to their till.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

I do the same. Waitrose were the worst mask bullies back in July/August. Now at least 50% staff are mask free. Even my local security guard (who knows of the attack on me by British Transport Police) is heavily against. He makes a point of removing his mask and coming to speak to me to see how I’m doing. Brings tears to me eyes.

Btw, I have now seen the letter from a Liverpool school telling parents their kids will be forcibly tested without explicit consent. Parents have to WRITE IN to exempt children. How many letters will be lost?! Children brainwashed into thinking parents are the enemy by refusing to have them barcoded and tested. This is SERIOUS!

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Waitrose were the worst mask bullies back in July/August. 

As a result they lost me as a customer after 16 years. John Lewis (including Waitrose) are not doing well financially.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

I have been boycotting my local M&S after I was bullied by a member of their staff and this despite the apology from the manager and head office.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

I’m with you. It gives me anxiety as well and I try not to even make eye contact with these “people” as they are not human to me and don’t deserve my acknowledgement in any way. I feel badly for those who are forced to work in a mask and don’t treat them the same way, but the idiots wearing them outside (no mandate here) don’t even deserve eye contact.

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CivilianNotCovidian
CivilianNotCovidian
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

I don’t make eye contact with masked faces either, citing my trauma. When I see an unmasked face I make a huge point of engaging and smiling and I ALWAYS say to that person, “It’s lovely to see your face.” They always say, “Yours, too!” We should make this our war cry. SO NICE TO SEE YOUR FACE!

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

or if you want to go the full julian and sandy, “how bona to vada your dolly old eek!”

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

That is utterly, utterly horrible. The abolition of humanity.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Excellent article in the comments

https://kellybroganmd.com/masks-have-you-been-captured-by-this-psyop/

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Simon Cook
Simon Cook
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Good evening CivilianNotCovidan,

We’ve had this exact scenario play out just this last week at my daughter’s Primary School – Ive been in touch with UsForThem about it. I intend to follow up with them early next week.

I already sent a letter to the acting head requesting to see the Risk Assessment, particularly as the main parental entrance to the school at drop-off/pick-up is directly from a public park!

Best regards

Simon

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  CivilianNotCovidian

Saw someone coming out of a school office yesterday and the moment she was outside she tore off the muzzle with a gleeful gesture not out of place in a 1930s Hollywood musical. Gave her a big smile of approval.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/put-it-in-your-diary-dominic-raab-tells-lbc-lockdown-will-end-on-dec-2/?fbclid=IwAR3YrR0-nG49xUmXnRdO74gmujFPP6d0fHn526bwLH2JOR6RjSBDX-odvGE
Here’s a man making a pitch to be the new PM

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

We’d better start sending him some letters reminding him of his duty of care, which no amount of ‘primary ;legislation” can void.

And he’d better do the right thing for the British people or find himself at The Hague facing charges of crimes against humanity. These people need to start to feel the fear and back off.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Ugh!!

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Mabel Cow
Mabel Cow
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

“Come the second of December we will revert to the tailored geographically targeted approach because economically that is less painful.”

Welcome to lockdown infinity.

Got a problem with a council? Lockdown with no compensation.

Want to give a council a huge bribe? Lockdown with compensation.

Forever, and ever, and ever.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Has anyone told Gove?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Too many tories know/have crossed Gove (and his wife); not sure they’d vote him (or her) leader.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Isn’t his wife a sceptic? Or was back in the summer anyway.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

Are they still together?

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

It wouldn’t surprise me if Gove was both Hawk and Dove (hate those expressions); he’s just playing the political game.

I wonder if he thinks he’s Francis Urquhart; and living in a real life version of House of Cards.

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hat man
hat man
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Yes, sure it’s written into law, just like Raab says. The problem is, so is the next sentence in the lockdown 2.0 SI, p. 27:
‘Expiry
23.—(1) These Regulations expire at the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day on
which they come into force.
(2) This regulation does not affect the validity of anything done pursuant to these Regulations before they expire.’

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  hat man

You missed us today

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

God help is all!

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago

Unfortunately I have to put up with them day in day out in my work. Such is the hazard of a customer facing role.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago

So Boris has just congratulated Biden and is eager to work on climate change.

FFS. Biden has not been confirmed through official channels. Even if he had won by a landslide there is a process.

It’s going to be a fascinating few months.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Boris and Biden are on the same side, don`t ya know !

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Even if the vote survive the impending legislation, right up to the Supreme Court, it looks like it will be a dead-on-arrival President Biden – possibly literally. Newt Gingrich interviewed on Fox last week said if there is no serious rift between Biden and Harris before inauguration he would be very surprised. It ain’t over till the fat lady sings!

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Tyneside Tigress

The problem is that the media here (and I’ve just been watching Mike Parry on TalkRadio) are running with the line that Trump is a “sore loser”. That he should bow out gracefully. Trump just issued a statement plainly stating “if the votes are legitimate then the result will stand”. The trouble was I was watching the live streams from various places where votes were being delivered at 4 and 5 in the morning (8 or 9 our time).

Now Alito has ruled PA’s votes have to be separated. They have to push for this because stuff is just not adding up. And interestingly here we have the media saying “move on nothing to see” for this and yet are now getting sceptical for Covid-19 and lockdowns.

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Here’s a good analysis:

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=35119

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

comment image

from:

https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

That isn’t true it was really 73%. Trump though almost certainly will get Wisconsin added to his tally. That Milwaukie drop at 4.45am, 135k votes for Biden will get a full audit.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Have you got a source or that please – the 73%?

Thanks!

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

I find it terribly ironic that the UK MSM, particularly the BBC, keep repeating that Trump is asserting electoral fraud “without evidence”.

During this whole year, the government have been basing Covid-related decisions on nothing but dodgy, discredited models which “are not predictions” and have proven wildly inaccurate time and time again.

But apparently, as far as the BBC is concerned, this evidence from SAGE is more than acceptable.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Yep. Funny how the cognitive dissonance roundabout goes.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Billionaires are billionaires because they use their lawyers well!

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

What’s happening about the polling cards with the Blockchain watermark??

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

No far from over. Full audits in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin before the results are signed off. Johnson is such a fool the US Senate has no interest in wasting on climate change.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Can you imagine that conversation:

“Wiff, waff… piddle, paddle, um.. um.. err. piddle wiff.”

” Duh… Errr. duhh”

Like the bloody flowerpot men.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Good night, little weed!

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Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

I’m sure they will get on very well…

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago

Greetings Fellow Sceptics!!!

Anyone here going to their local war memorials tomorrow to pay their respects to the war dead?

Definitely I shan’t be standing outside my home. I will be going to mine and offer a silent apology that their sacrifice was in vain.

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Charlie Blue
Charlie Blue
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yes, I will be.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

tempted to go to the Cenotaph- can’t imagine the TSG wading in

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Hoppy Uniatz
Hoppy Uniatz
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

I’m intending to be there. Black coat, poppy, bicycle.

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Same, even though it may as well be cancelled now.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Just go on your own. You might find others there too

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Kelly deacons
Kelly deacons
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I will be.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Mine’s in a pub! 🙁

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yep. I have my wreath ready and a small band of sceptics, we will be there, despite council telling us to stand on our doorsteps. NO WAY!
Also have a minor celeb coming along to do a reading. I couldn’t face it myself as I know I would cry. (Really). Memorial is just opposite the vicar’s house. The one who wants everyone locked down because of “the nature of the virus”. At least the tenor bell at the church will be tolling, although unfortunately we are not allowed to ring. And unfortunately I can’t get round that one.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I will be holding a remembrance service, not with the coward nappy-wearers who will be insulting the memory of dead at our war memorial, but alone, in clean air.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yep

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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago

Life can never cage a man like this!

Just been watching “Lonely Are The Brave” with Kirk Douglas and I thought of us, our little band of brothers and sisters who share our thoughts on this website. It’s the story of a cowboy in a time of roads, lorries and helicopters The story of a man out of synch with his times, a non-conformist, someone who does things his way no matter what society may tell him.

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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

“Invasion of the Body Snatchers” better describes everybody else.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago

“Joe Biden vowed to act against the pandemic on “day one”

Oh god here we go..

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Awkward Git
Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Have watch of this:

https://www.brighteon.com/37f33814-f323-4c7a-9f19-90588161b4fd

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Bomb the virus.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

Well, he’s not president and never will be. Note that our traitorous prime minister was out of the starting gate first with his congratulations. This is Florida 2000 on steroids multipeld across at least half a dozen states.

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guy153
guy153
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

The problem with Trump is he such a divisive figure that huge numbers of people assume he must be wrong even when he isn’t. This seemed to be the case with HCQ.

I’m not sure it ever helps much to have him on your side and it’s not clear that his views on Covid were making any net positive difference. They just polarized the debate unhelpfully.

Somebody with his independence but who was more diplomatic and got more people on his side could have made a much bigger difference.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

I think that’s very fair.

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mhcp
mhcp
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Yeah more diplomatic I know. Not like he brought at least three Middle Eastern and North African countries to a peace deal with Israel or anything.

Trump has always been the guy that calls you out for horseshit and has enough brash to get away with his own. I would rather have him in the White House especially for the second term. He has no qualms now.

Remember the Russia Hoax and the spying on the Trump campaign. Not to mention the job done on Mike Flynn who it appears has evidence of Benghazi. The one big issue with Trump is Julian Assange.

But let’s see how this plays out. If the numbers are recounted and Trump wins, the salt will be glorious

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

If you are independent and that successful and wealthy, you are by definition not diplomatic. You have to be bloody minded, aggressive and thick (not thin) skinned. You will almost invariably upset somebody, somewhere. You need to use lawyers and advisers pro-actively, and people get hurt/lose. The MSM has commented on how many court cases Trump has pursued to discredit him. He is no different to other billionaires of his generation – Apple/Steve Jobs, Bernard Arnault/LVMH, Carl Icahn.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Trump has been a nuisance regarding lockdown scepticism for all he was right about Hydroxychloroquine. In all honesty, Theresa May’s intervention has been one of the most useful in terms of changing the narrative and bringing people on board. Trump is an oaf and a bully and rubbish as I think Biden will be as President, like most Democrats, I hope Trump is gone but I very much doubt this presidential race is even close to being over.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  guy153

What you say is true, but the reality is that the entire reason Trump was elected, first by Republicans and then by Americans, despite all his shortcomings, is that all routes to power for reasonable conservatives and traditionalists were blocked. Trump came and told the establishment globalist lefties in charge of both Democrat and Republican party structures some of the things that desperately needed to be said (such as that Iraq had been a disaster), and was thick skinned and wealthy enough to smash through all the usual barriers by which people with such views are marginalised and shut out.

Despite the massive media and big tech bias against him, rising to near hysterical levels of hatred for 2020, and despite being massively outspent, he got enough votes to be elected once, and raised the numbers voting for him the second time, after having seen him in office for 4 years.

There can be no honest doubt that he would have won the election by a significant margin were it not for the gross media and big tech bias against him, which cannot have failed to swing uncommitted voters against him (advertising does actually work on many people, you know). Whether or not more direct rigging played a big part, we will likely never really know.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I’ve always said the pandemic will be over the day after his Inauguration.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I don’t think so. Biden rode that horse to ‘victory.’ He’s not about to dismount. He probably couldn’t even if he wanted to. No, with Biden there will be no deviation from the script.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I agree. The Dems are in too deep with the Covid narrative and their supporters are scared shitless. Day 1 doesn’t start until after Inauguration though.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

Agree with Ovis and Lisa.
Covid and ‘climate change’ are both means to an end and are way too useful to be dropped. Expect more and not less if it does prove to be Biden.

The 4 horses of the apocalypse are Woke + climate change + covid + the various global PTB

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago

the soundtrack here in West London is fireworks

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Kelly deacons
Kelly deacons
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Same here.My cat is hiding,my dog is barking her brains out…..all is right in the world……sort of.!

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Kelly deacons

Lots of fireworks here in our Hampshire village just as there were on the 5th.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Hampshire Sceptic

Same here in the heart of South Wales valleys.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  crimsonpirate

Good to hear. I used to get fed up with the endless fireworks at this time of year, but they’re now a welcome sign of normality. It’s one of several turnarounds in my reactions to things: I now almost approve of noisy parties, misbehaving youths etc. because they’re also likely to be resisting the covid-related restrictions. And I now regard the police with suspicion. Just another example of the havoc wreaked on society by the insane government.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Edward

although it could be the liberal lefties in Chiswick celebrating the Biden win

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

According to our local rag, our local cathedral is offering a prayer service (online) every evening at 6pm. Prayers will be said for NHS and key workers.
Here is my letter to the editor and the dean:

I was pleased to read that the cathedral will do a “service” every evening, until I read prayers will be said for NHS and key workers.
 
What about all the other people affected by unjustified government policies during the last 7 months?
The people who lost their jobs or are had their income reduced? The pupils of all ages who have been denied schooling?
The residents of care homes who have been denied a decent life and visits from relatives and friends?
The thousands of people whose cancer treatment was delayed, stopped, or who were not screened or diagnosed?
The families of people who died due to lack of “normal” NHS services? Who were so scared by the main stream media propaganda to seek medical care and died of heart attacks and stroke?
The families of – especially the young – people who have committed suicide?
The students being denied a proper university education which they have paid a lot of money for? The self employed who do not qualify for government help and have to sell houses?
The business owners who had to shut permanently?
The list goes on.
It is time we are realistic, that the government has pursued the wrong strategy, they have no clue anymore and it is high time that they sit down with people not as stupid as the people in SAGE, but business leaders, to develop a strategy to get us out of this mess.
Sadly Brexit was a 4 year process, lets really hope this doe NOT take as long.
 

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Kelly deacons
Kelly deacons
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Bravo!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Awesome letter. Good for you!!

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

This illustrates something I have said to several clergymen: church leaders have shown a callous indifference to the very real injuries inflicted on the people of this nation.
Remember that the true opposite of love is not hatred; it is indiference.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

Good for you. Keep telling them Stephanos in English, Latin, Greek and any other language they might understand.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

Agree. I find the behaviour of the church callous and unfeeling, too busy virtue signalling over BLM and trying to derail the wishes of the people over Brexit that they’ve forgotten what their actuall job is and worse betrayed those who needed spiritual comfort the most.

If there is a God, I do hope that He smites those clergymen and women who have failed in their duty under His name.

They deserve everything they get.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Stephanos

Churches and Church leaders appear to have been paid off by our spendthrift government.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Excellent letter.

Turn the tables on them. They’ve been calling us granny killers (average age of covid death 83) and it’s time they were told what they are. And add some real emotion to it instead of their grotesque virtue signalling faux emotion.

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Well said!!!! Bravo!

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Bravo indeed!
The coward churches fawn on whoever they think is popular. How about standing up for what is right?

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Exactly!!! They’ve failed to follow in Jesus’ example.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Creepy Joe Biden as President, i wonder if that will mean that covid quietly dies out now !

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

The media don’t call president. He isn’t president.

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Lisa from Toronto
Lisa from Toronto
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I think the opposite. Had Trump won, the Dems would have had no political motivation for keeping it going. I don’t think the mask and lockdown zealots can simply walk it back because their guy won. These people have completely bought into the narrative that Covid is a deadly virus and everyone is susceptible and can die.

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Ovis
Ovis
4 years ago
Reply to  Lisa from Toronto

Agree. There was (is?) one route out of this: Trump winning.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-c809d17b5cd34048e1a5e9bbb4b73cb7

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Au contraire

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Lancastrian Oik
Lancastrian Oik
4 years ago

Oh, look- a mink!

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Breaking news

‘Breakthrough by eminent scientists who say it is possible to eradicate Covid 19 within seven days’

The group that has been working in secret say it is possible to eliminate Covid 9 within seven days

A spokesperson said. ‘We realised that flu had been eradicated this year and we wanted to find out how that had been done. We had a very close look at this and examined in detail the process by which flu had been eliminated.

We then reverse engineered the process to give us the model we needed to eliminate Covid 19. It’s a very simple solution to a very complex issue. From next Sunday we will just rename it as something else

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Brill! LOL

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Ha ha bloody brilliant.

NO you did not eradicate the flu. Flu is now labeled as Covid – both are respiratory illnesses and very similar. So similar that they had to revert to testing (very unreliable) to diagnose covid.

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

The PCR test cannot diagnose Covid-19.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

Ch4 news showing Biden supporters celebrating on the street – all masked!!!
Trump supporters – no masks!!!
I know the voters had to vote about more than covid policies, but the willingness to wear face coverings among the democrats is scary!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

And the lying US media were all maskers…for the cameras at least.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Look on the bright side – the guy who recommended injecting disinfectant (amongst numerous other idiocies) ain’t in the the White House.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Do you really think Biden is more helpful in ending coronapanic than Trump?

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

It’s really that simple isn’t it.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Friend lives in NJ (and voted for Joe 🙄) said the masks were completely politicised – mask for Joe, barefaced for Trump. She wears them happily.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago

Just saw this on twitter, from the Light Truthpaper:

We’ve been busy putting issue three together, so I’ve only just managed to get out delivering papers this morning at my local market. Not one person refused a paper, everyone I spoke to has had enough, and one market stall owner chased me and asked for more copies to hand out!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

Grateful for link/s
How do we get to help deliver them?

Last edited 4 years ago by Rosie
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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

They’ve got a website. lightdistribution@mailbox.org is how to contact re distribution

Last edited 4 years ago by Jo
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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

There is an email link on their site or email lightdistribution@mailbox.org

This is the email I got

You can be added to the network and not engage at all, but you will get notified of when papers are in your area and you can collect some to distribute locally if you like.

You also have the option of being a ‘hub’ to hold papers for others to collect or ‘relay driver’ to transport between hubs.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

More stuff that tells us what we already know, in a good way:

‘In this current study it was evident that Ct value can predict the duration of hospital stay of COVID-19 infected patients, which also suggests that viral clearance will be faster in higher Ct value patients. This data can be implemented in other country to evaluate the patients stay at hospital and also helpful in managing the healthcare staff in successfully handling the COVID 19 infected patients.’

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.20226365v1.full.pdf

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

The C-19 infection’s contagiousness last only 10 days. After that they can be PCR pos but no risk to others. Why can’t hospital quickly sort out whether they need to be isolated or not as many elderly will be hospitalized for other things whilst still being PCR pos but not contagious.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

This is the NHS we’re talking about ……

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

Klaus Schwab has tweeted out that Mayor Joe Anderson is preparing detention facilities for those who refuse tests. Is this guy just trolling? Simon Dolan says that he has asked for videos of testing centres in the city and elsewhere and can’t find any video evidence of sush centres being used.

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Anothersceptic2
Anothersceptic2
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

that photo is clearly somewhere in the far east

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Nudging, ham fisted nudging.
Trying to make his words happen in the real world.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Saw a video of Klaus Schwab…George Soros has a rival as international Bond villain! I’m imagining some grand final scene in the next Bond movie where Soros, Schwab and President Xi, formerly partners in crime and world domination, fall out with each other and end up killing each other thanks to some clever intervention by Bond.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

come, come mr bond you disappoint me – you get as much fulfilment out of vaccinating as i do, so why don’t you admit it?

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

These sharks have been especially adapted to deliver the vaccine by means of a simple nose harness. Once we lower you into water- very, very slowly, Mr Bond -you will receive multiple vaccine doses from the sharks and die an extremely agonising death. Your death will recorded as “from Covid”, as are all vaccine deaths. You will simply be one more statistic. ..a tiny irrelevant addition on a spreadsheet. Goodbye Mr Bond.,

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

“needle-less” to say, Bond had the last laugh…

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

That image of detention centre has to be fake

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

I think that’s a fake Schwab account, it was posted earlier. Even the profile pic is of him in his Bond villain garb.

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago

Had a circular from Devon Council today; ‘Earlier this week, Dr Virginia Pearson, Director for Public Health Devon, urged everyone to ‘act now to stop the virus in its tracks’ and help prevent local health services being overwhelmed this winter. ‘
Then on twitter, Matt Hancock says
We must suppress #coronavirus, protecting the economy, education & our NHS, until a vaccine can make us safe.
What are these people on? how do you stop a virus in its tracks? how do you suppress a virus? and what do you do if the vaccine does not go according to plan?
If there is a world re-set plan? then I am somewhat convinced that it is not these goons that are in on the plot, they are only ‘a pawn in the game’. They are out of their depth in a hole they dug for themselves, subjecting us all to misery; they are too arrogant to face up to the reality of their ludicrous policies.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

I think MH is just cynically continuing the narrative – so that the idiotic director above mentioned keeps churning out the scaremongering rubbish. She might believe it, but he doesn’t.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

It’s simple – all you have to do is track down every single one of the 350,000 trillion virus particles out there in the UK and make sure each of them is carefully deactivated.

Last edited 4 years ago by OKUK
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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Aerial spraying of Cilit-Bang should do it. Virology 101 stuff. Honestly….I wish they would get a grip.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

They would rather protect the service than the people.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Why is only the NHS “ours”? Who does education and the economy belong to?

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

What are these people on? how do you stop a virus in its tracks? how do you suppress a virus? and what do you do if the vaccine does not go according to plan?

No hope for the survival of the species. They are as thick as planks

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Ozzie
Ozzie
4 years ago

Possibly posted earlier, but just in case (Liverpool and Brighton protests):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924127/Hundreds-maskless-anti-lockdown-protestors-march-Brighton-seafront.html

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Ozzie

Brighton march went well, and entirely peaceful as there were no Territorial Support Group thugs present. Some locals still sadly seem very passionate in favour of lockdown despite no local cases. I can only assume they are on full pay and don’t value personal freedom, they only offer insults and won’t have any dialogue so who knows.

Not quite sure why the Daily Mail feels the need to point out the maskless bit, apart from a few young virtue signallers and elderly everyone along the seafront was mask free.

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Marialta
Marialta
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Yes I was there, it was so good! I was amazed how few masked people compared to my town where even cyclists wear them.

I recommend going on one of these marches to energise and lift spirits,

The free hugs were nice too:-)

Last edited 4 years ago by Marialta
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AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
4 years ago

Victor Davis Hanson | US Election 2020

“We feel like we’re living in a third world country”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6idYZ25Qq6w

Last edited 4 years ago by AN other lockdown sceptic
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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  AN other lockdown sceptic

A fine man

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago

Police car and 2 officers have seemingly spent all day blocking people from going up to the Jack & Jill Windmill car park on the South Downs in Sussex. What a complete waste of police time and resources, Sussex Police are a complete bunch of officious killjoys.

Anyone who thinks the police are under resourced is mistaken – just a matter of misplaced priorities. Must work out at £100 an hour wasted easily.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

How do they justify that when national trust grounds etc are open? We’ll be driving out for a walk in the country tomorrow.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I can only assume the road going up to the National Trust car park is public. It didn’t really work as it appeared people were parking elsewhere instead.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

Did anyone ask why they were stopping people going for a walk, I’m not far away and would like to go up there this weekend.

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Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

The police had blocked the road right at the bottom to stop anyone even pulling or turning into the road. The A273 is a busy fast road and has no pathway along that section so I couldn’t stop and question them. I suspect they targeted that car park today and they will perhaps move onto another busy one tomorrow (Stamner Park, Ditchling Beacon or Devils Dyke).

The council went to the effort of blocking off Ditchling Common car park for a period last lockdown, absolutely pathetic. They learn nothing.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

They learn nothing? Well they have got hollow heads, so that’s only to be expected.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Plenty of tracks and bridleways leading up there, just start your walk further away and make it part of the route. Trying to block every beauty spot given that folks have basically no other options for a day out is on a hiding to nothing.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

“Sussex Police are a complete bunch of officious killjoys”. Yes, but more precisely they are wankers; a force of wankers.

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

I don’t do Twatter. Is it possible to put a tweet on their tweet-site that they are a force of wankers?

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Tenchy

yes it is – but a lot of other people will almost certainly have beaten you to it…

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  Darryl

New Forest car parks were rammed today, the only pigs I saw were the ones munching acorns to produce bacon.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lyra Silvertongue

Any if them called Boris?
Not that he’d make good bacon.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

These ones were allowed to roam wild, the Boris/Valance variety are confined in such a way that they constantly have their noses in a trough.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Boris was a spider – and you know what happened to him. Mwahahah!

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Over fat.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1325121825144270848/photo/1

Why can’t we have the same data as North Dakota? They distinguish between hospital admission and ICU admission between due to Covid or with Covid. 35%  of C-19 hospitalizations are not due to Covid and almost 40% of  C-19 ICU are not due to Covid.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Well, they can; they just don’t want to.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

It would be an improvement. Perhaps Deloitte can make a formal recommendation and earn another 500K fees for it?

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Only £500k, must be a quick job, hardly worth billing.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Because our statistics are lies.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

+1

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Steve-Devon
Steve-Devon
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

NHS admissions data is about as dodgy as a nine pound note, you might imagine that 1 admission = 1 person but there are indications that with the NHS, 1 person entering the system can generate more than 1 admission.
In my view hospital data should always be presented as, admissions, total in hospital, deaths and discharges but they do not do this, one can only guess that is partly because if they did the figures would not balance.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Because they use Excel. Version from 89 or so.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Nothing wrong with Excel… in the hands of those who know how to use it.

The Track and Trace people certainly don’t; the weekly spreadsheet they put out with their figures is one of the most amateurish pieces of ‘work’ I’ve ever seen.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Have you noticed who is the author on the ONS spreadsheets? Senior Statistician with The ONS.

You would have thought that Excel would have been the go to tools for him, clearly not when looking the the work books produced.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago

Did anybody go to hollyrood for the rally today??

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AnotherSceptic
AnotherSceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

I didn’t know that there was one otherwise I would have went.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  AnotherSceptic

1st Saturday of each month. Some good speakers today, in particular a psycho analyst who presented the case as to how we are being groomed and brainwashed all courtesy of the behavioural science cretins….we all know this of course but it was good to see so many people in agreement.

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Scotswifie
Scotswifie
4 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Yes I was there. I was a bit worried after seeing what happened in London on Thursday but it was all very peaceful.

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Stefarm
Stefarm
4 years ago
Reply to  Scotswifie

I didn’t stay for speakers corner

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

West Midlands (I think) Police have just issued an apology on twitter for two of their officers telling an unmasked man to get out of Sainsburys (he had an exemption).

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

Is this video genuine? UK Police appear to be behaving mob handed, nasty, and aggressive towards a non masker in a supermarket.

https://www.facebook.com/MartinCostelloUK/videos/703101490323055/

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Saw that earlier. Disgusting

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

see above

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Yes – Thanks – they got it wrong! Idiots.

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Chris Hume
Chris Hume
4 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Great video. He was very calm in the circumstances. It must be very intimidating to have police officers bullying you like that. Would like to think that I would have refused to leave and ask them whether they understood ‘the law’, but that is easier said than done when the old bill are all lined up against you.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

dommo has post the cops’ apology above.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

Interesting that the person said that he did not have to tell the PCs what his exception is. I though that police should be told if asked?

This does not excuse the fact that these officers clearly should not be out in public without a responsible adult.

Whilst the government continually changes the guidance, police officers who are being used to enforce guidance should understand the guidance.

I try never to break the law & I was brought up to respect authority, however I am finding it difficult to respect police when I see this type of action.

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JHuntz
JHuntz
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

I think you only have to tell the police you are exempt. By virtue of the equality act you don’t have to tell them what it is.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago

https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/apology-issued-over-misunderstanding-face-mask-exemption-sandwell-store

how the fuck can you send officers out on the beat who don’t even understand the law!!!!

but a brilliant brilliant own goal…

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

The victim should get compensation.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

They certainly caused anxiety to a man who told them he suffered from anxiety. Failure in their duty of care, for sure.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Well, that didn’t take long, did it?

People need to keep posting these videos; outing the ‘case’, ‘deaths’ and ‘hospital numbers’ stats as bullshit, showing the fakery. It does work.

People are seeing this; they need to see more.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

We stated that it was a legal requirement for an exemption card or badge to be shown. This was incorrect and the officers have misinterpreted the guidance.

and then the Police made it worse by continuing the LIE. The officers did not tell him that he was required to wear an exemption card, in fact after he told them that he was exempt and also the reason, they told him that it was law that he had to wear a mask and then told him to leave the store. They had the most awful smug and condescending attitude.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Victoria

Rather funny anyway, as the cards are to be had for the asking ( or a small sum on eBay).

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Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Those police officers should be sent to a re-education camp to learn about the regulations and the Equalities Act 2010.

I mean, how thick can they be?

No wonder I now avoid the police like the plague especially as they’re also muzzled up now.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

I view that as a positive – a civilised apology from the Police. Might show the Police are seeing which way the wind is blowing.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

let’s see – but in any event, that’s the kind of anti-lockdown PR that money can’t buy, so thanks very much thick plods!!!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

The officers have been spoken to regarding their understanding of the guidance and current legislation around the wearing of face masks.
We’ll also ensure that this is shared with all of our officers across the force, so we are certain that we’re all clear on the current guidelines.

Better late than never. Idiots!

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Ossettian
Ossettian
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

” on the current guidelines”

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ossettian

Last time I looked the police weren’t responsible for enforcing “guidelines”.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

When they decide that they are, and do it, and get away with it, we are living in a police state, as Lord Sumption pointed out. They must not get away with it.

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Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Needs to be more than a faux apology. The female officer, in particular, needs a disciplinary.

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago

Had a very nice day out riding and walking today in a National Park, and pleased to say all but the tiniest fraction of people I encountered – which must have been at least a hundred – were paying little heed to the official stupidity and indeed the area was verging on congested in places. People smiled and greeted each other as they passed on the trails, no swervers, no Karens, no masks, just good folk enjoying the autumn colours. Pretty sure there were some groups out ignoring the meeting rules too. Shame the pub was closed, but other than that a normal and proper experience.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lyra Silvertongue

i had very much the same experience in my part of the world too – most encouraging!

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Bumble
Bumble
4 years ago
Reply to  Lyra Silvertongue

Same with me in my local country park. Lots of families, not a mask in sight, play areas open and busy, big queue at the cafe takeaway. Roads still busy.

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dommo
dommo
4 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

as i have said before, this is how the lockdown ends – not with a riot, but with normal people everywhere doing normal things every day in unstoppably huge numbers – what i like to call extremely civil disobedience…

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Lyra Silvertongue
Lyra Silvertongue
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Precisely. This is why I never advocate for big protests when ‘soft’ pushback works so well; the other thing that’s happened is that people have unwittingly broken or bent the rules before and no harm came of it, so they keep on doing the same things and come to realise the stupidity of prohibiting them.

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Jakehadlee
Jakehadlee
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

Agree. Plus a riot. Plus an organised group of people going into London after lockdown and buying, with cash, old cars that they drive into central London and then abandon in the middle of major thoroughfares, masked to avoid identification, and bring the whole city to a standstill.

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Edward
Edward
4 years ago
Reply to  dommo

To be honest I initially thought the first lockdown would fizzle out in the same way, but it didn’t, presumably because most of the public were on board with it. The difference this time is that they’re not.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Lyra Silvertongue

Yes – I met up with a few people today. We found a bench to congregate around and had a lovely afternoon chatting (and a small amount of alcohol may have been consumed just to be sociable) – lots of people walked past us obviously wondering what we were doing but only one person shook her head at us. Everyone else very smiley and one even said she’d bring a bottle next time! Please do we said.

My mum went for a walk and came across another lady – she didnt know her – the lady said “I don’t care any more!” and they continued walking together. New friends.

Funny what constitutes a very good day these days.

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Nic
Nic
4 years ago
Reply to  Lyra Silvertongue

Dont worry the police are starting to be an embarrassment., and are loosing the peoples support as we start to see throgh this bull shit .The tide is turning most people are ignoring the lock down .only a matter of time now before this crap finishes.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Nic

God – how I hope you are right!

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KBuchanan
KBuchanan
4 years ago
Reply to  Lyra Silvertongue

Karen’s can be lockdown sceptics – white working class women hatred is so classless.

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theanalyst
theanalyst
4 years ago

I count at least 12 Coppers on this video.

For a terrorist attack that would be acceptable but to prop up the Blond Dictator on the TV by fining a gym where healthy people go to improve their lives its a bit OTT I reckon.

It is contrary to good medical advice and contrary to the science.

All excess deaths since May 2020 are in the Home. The Blond Dictator on the TV is a murderer. He pretends excess deaths are in hospitals but that is a massive lie.

Do the UK Police want to be his accomplices? I would not think so/ hope not! Most Coppers I know are quite nice.

https://www.facebook.com/CM201QP/videos/?ref=page_internal

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peter
peter
4 years ago

Top piece by Miles – http://mileswmathis.com/trump3.pdf

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  peter

...the Dems have a conspicuous talent voidthey need to fill fast. Come to think of it, the whole world has a talent void it needs to fill, and can’t seem to remember how it is done.

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Tell me this isn’t true!

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

It ain’t so, Joe!

I recommend Theredelephants.com site. Has some persuasive detail on why Trump has the right and the duty to challenge what could well be election chicanery. I would there is definitely a prima facie case and plenty of circumstantial evidence,

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

They’ve been broadcasting their intended chicanery for weeks. I do hope they don’t pull it off. That would be the last nail in the coffin of democracy.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Epstein didn’t kill himself.
Biden didn’t win.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficae6x1Q5A&feature=emb_logo Watch from 33 minutes in – see the vote-switching happen in front of your eyes on live TV!

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Oh dear! What bollocks! The fat satsuma lost the popular vote at the last election.

‘Daddy. The people are nasty to me, and I’ve spent all your dollars. Again. Boo hoo.’

Now, lets stick to the knitting.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

So excited by your hatred of Trump that you have to repeat the same message about him? In that case, here’s the same response again:

And equally, last time, he had almost the entirety of the mainstream media and big tech propagandising against him. The only differences are that this time they were even more open about it and Biden outspent him by an even more colossal amount.

Hmm, perhaps there could be some connection between propaganda spend and power, and popular support. Perhaps it’s similar to how support for lockdowns has been manufactured by propaganda. Who’d’a thunk, eh? Perhaps advertising works!

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Chicot
Chicot
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Is it true that the ridiculously biased msm has declared Biden the winner? Yes? Is it true that Biden has actually got more votes than any presidential candidate in history? I doubt it.

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Carrie
Carrie
4 years ago
Reply to  Chicot

They think that like with Covid, they can get people to doubt what they are seeing with their own eyes. How likely is it that Joe Biden really got more votes than Obama???
To quote from a comment from under a Lude media video, ‘not only has Election Day become Election Week – but the guy who had no campaign, can’t fill 20 “social distancing circles,” never leaves his basement, can’t speak in full sentences but did manage to say he’d shut down the Oil industry, has countless videos of him inappropriately touching & smelling women & children and multiple, credible accusations against him of sexual assault – is allegedly beating the other guy who regularly fills sports stadiums (with upwards of 57 thousand people at his last rally), has near 100 mile car parades, and led the best periods of economic growth in Human History – indeed absolutely absurd.’

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

It isn’t true. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia are doing a recount because the numbers were so close. On Monday the Trump campaign will file lawsuits in multiple states for election fraud, and it looks like in Pennsylvania alone around 400k ballots are under question because republican observers were not allowed to do their job.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago

Thuggish behaviour by the police at Stroud today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiZnV_HjJo&fbclid=IwAR3UkBTgJV0YEwdnp8g-5SUIhgjU3dihv7QQTbSC9dCXnnEiqs406Eg114Q

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Did they really mostly pick on middle aged women?!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Are they really police, or the ‘new recruits’?

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Tenchy
Tenchy
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Despicable behaviour by the paramilitary force. Policing by consent? What utter shite!

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Looks like common assault to me.

Remembrance of Fascism ceremony?

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Face-Nappy fascists.

What a shit show.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Looks like all the uniformed participants have just demonstrated they are not fit & proper persons to recieve monies from the public purse including pensions.
Sack all policemen involved with being a Covid Womble & remove pension entitlements paid by the taxpayer.

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Yet another instance of huge numbers of plods acting aggressively. I would in the past have considered myself a supporter of the police but I am afraid their thuggish behaviour in trying to enforce the immoral diktats of Al Johnson and Twat Wancock has caused me to lose all respect for them.

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Jim Binks
Jim Binks
4 years ago

Another criminal act tonight! Set off fireworks in my garden with family and friends . I now realise that Guy Fawkes was on to something when he wanted to remove the government. Its only lockdown if you comply.

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

“It’s only lockdown if you comply”

Yes, we’ve just had a lovely firework evening with our son, grandson, neighbours and their children. No one batted an eye.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Great to hear!

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Sodastream
Sodastream
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

We did same it felt great!

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

Surrounded by fireworks again tonight. Been going on for two weeks now. Mind you, there’s a firework factory just up the road so we can buy really good ones very cheaply. Nice because people tend to get the pretty sky-decorating rockets rather than just a load of tedious bangs.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

All you need is some gunpowder. And a plot.
Then you’ve got them over a barrel.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

Fireworks here too, pretty lame though I have to admit. But most of the neighbours were out to have a chat and ignore the nonsense

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Stuart
Stuart
4 years ago

Called in to (free enterprise) Specsavers in Wales next week for an eye test.

Not a cat in hell’s chance of a dental checkup.

GP surgeries are still deploying barbed wire around the perimeter.

This whole thing is a medics’ panic.

The NHS is unfit for purpose and ought to be defunded.

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago
Reply to  Stuart

Prepare for the treatment at Specsavers. I have just had a pair of glasses from there and never again.

The eye test wasn’t too bad although I caused some fuss when unmasked and refusing the sanitiser on entry.

I had to return as not enough time to choose frames and it was not a great experience. Again being unmasked and not wishing to use the sanitiser the staff member called for the manager who after running through the same questions asked if I was prepared to wash my hands in which. I agreed as a concession.

I then I was given a box and told to put everything I touched into it. This was because all needed to be sanitised after I had refused to wear gloves even after washing my hands. I won’t bore you with the details but in short not a nice insight if this is the new normal.

Just by not wishing to comply with all this insanity rended me ‘unclean’ in the eyes of the shop staff. Wouldn’t recommend.

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Lili
Lili
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

I’m usually a Specsavers customer but had a crap experience with one of their opticians last year so recently booked my eye test with Vision Express. They were fantastic. Didn’t bat an eyelid when I turned up unmasked. All very polite and friendly and the same again when I went to collect my glasses.

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago
Reply to  Lili

Was an emergency but should it happen again will bear VE in mind. Thanks.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Insane. I need new glasses, these ones are two year old now and my eyes are two years older too. It’s getting harder to see stuff close up. No way am I going to specsavers. I will go blind from all the PPE bullshit.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Slight variation on ” Go woke, go broke” – can’t think of an appropriate rhyme just now.

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Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Broke my glasses and couldn’t get into my normal optician for a month. Emergency but wouldn’t have gone knowing what would happen.

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FenTyger
FenTyger
4 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Get the script and go to Glasses Direct.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  FenTyger

yer i did have one from an eye test just before the covid bomb was dropped. i could probably do with another eye test as that was….freekin ages ago.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago

Going to the war memorial in town tomorrow, I assume local events will take place. Even if joe public is not allowed to attend.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Think I’ll take the kids and do the same, we will remember

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Tom Blackburn
Tom Blackburn
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Normally don’t have time for this event as it has become hijacked by the virtue signalling set, falling over each other to be the most mawkish. Much prefer private reflection however this year is different.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Ours in the churchyard is ”by invitation only”. Needless to say, I shall be gatecrashing.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Yep, me too

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

Louise May Creffield doing a brilliant interview with Desmond Swayne on the SORUK fb (closed but worth joining) group. Scroll down:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/saveourrightsuk

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Jfr
Jfr
4 years ago

Once again I recommend people to look at Dr No’s site:

https://dr-no.co.uk/2020/11/07/youll-never-walk-alone/

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago

Glad tidings from the real world. On arrival home at 6.00 pm the pub next to which it live had a fireworks display in the rear car park all lights on the pub were on. Checking it out there were around 18 people drinking beer ordered on line of course no social distancing enjoying themselves. Way to go!

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Love it!

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago

Out and about today, who’s have known there was a “lockdown” going on? Certainly the good folk of south Brum weren’t paying the blindest bit of attention to it.

And very reassuring it was too!

No mask in the local shop, great catch up with the similarly un-masked owner – had a laugh a few hours later when he almost didn’t see me whilst out on the bike, at a roundabout, both saw the funny side.

Parks were full of (seemingly organised) kids football, basketball being played at another, and right next to that tennis on two courts.

This is a farce, we’re better than this, we’re going to prove it and the Politburo can do fuck all. We are free.

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  bucky99

There seems to have been quite a big protest in Birmingham today.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Londo Mollari

Brilliant if there has been – I’m a little out of the main protests, just doing my little bit.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  bucky99

It’s the little bits that will end the farce. Just lots and lots and lots of little bits.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

💯

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Chris Hume
Chris Hume
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Absolutely Annie. No massive ‘event’ just ‘lots and lots’ of little bits debunking the nonsense. Don’t pay attention to what people say, pay attention to what they do.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Hume

Yes. By their deeds you will know them.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

Is it true that Merthyr Tydfil has the highest infection rate in the U.K. but has just been in lockdown for the fire cracker period ?

Are they in or out on Monday ? And why is the rate still so high ?

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

If we believe Dripford, Wales is out Monday with no local lockdowns. Lots of fireworks tonight. I had my rule breaking fireworks party on Thursday.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Their fire’s been breaked!

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

We know that more people have died or will die from other serious conditions, than from Covid, when will that be investigated and why is it being allowed to happen. Sounds criminal.

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James007
James007
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Yes indeed. A cruel and heartless government, a leader bereft of moral principles or courage, a party obsessed by focus groups and retaining power at all costs. Every MP that voted with this government for these measures is culpable.

I hope at the very least this is the beginning of the end for the Conservative Party. (In the Canadian Federal election in 1993, the Progressive Conservatives went from being the party in power to having only 2 seats. Who knows, maybe that could happen here).

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago

The past few days I have been feeling a little more positive. We may have Lockdown II, but the case was far weaker and only drawn more scrutiny. I have overestimated how compliant the public still are (excluding masks), more are evidently tiring of it despite the latest efforts. They may not be fully awake, but certainly aren’t as lost as I thought they were. This quiet resistance is just as encouraging as the noisier protests, maybe we can rely on the millenia-old human spirit to get us out of this.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

It’s human versus zombie.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Humans winning round here 👍

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Chief Zombie being one Matthew John David Hancock, the man who was born without the humanity genes.

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Watt
Watt
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

My thoughts exactly. Everywhere I go these days, I feel that I’m a reluctant extra in a horror movie! However, good news…

https://www.thefreedomcycle.com/covid/biggest-criminal-fraud-case.html

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Et tu DRW? 😀

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Ok for this time of night, and it’s good to see positive things happen …. but but but
No let up in our efforts, in fact we need to double and quadrupal them…

these comments are underestimating the massive power that faces us. We don’t know exactly how the PTB operate, but they do, and they have enormous power and strength. Don’t forget that in some countries you can be shot for not wearing your mask.

Don’t forget that each day we see new appalling happenings that continue to push the digital world onto we humans.

No complacency, no stopping, KBO

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Yes – just nice to see DRW in a positive frame of mind

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Cheezilla
Cheezilla
4 years ago

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I will be there

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

I can’t be there but I’ll be there in spirit. I hope it all goes well.
Arnie.

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Cotton
Cotton
4 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Any more details?

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annie
annie
4 years ago

Big Brother Is Watching You. In Wales at least. And he is using the result to Follow The really, really sophisticated Science:

When we use phones, go on to Facebook or Google, it is possible to see the sort of trips we make, or whether we spend more time at home.
This can help scientists tell whether the measures are working.

So: way to be free: keep off Facebook, don’t use Google, and leave your smartphone at home.

BB isn’t all that smart really.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Great thing about tech is it can be turned off.

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String
String
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Not an expert but I believe turning off will have little effect if someone is determined to track you. The only foolproof method (per Edward Snowden) is phone in a freezer.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  String

Just leave the friggin’ thing at home.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  String

Or a faraday case

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago

Whilst still a small percentage of the general populous, sceptic numbers are increasing and lockdown II is helping this.

I know we are over 7 months in, but I have not seen or heard of a single person go from being sceptical to being lockdown zealot. Have you? Man people love lockdown, but their numbers are not increasing.

This has got to be good news.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Yes – I hope they extend lockdown.

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”

  • Sun Tzu
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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Yes, but..
We will be ruined economically by the time the sceptics gain the upper hand and our leaders realise the game is up. We can say we told you so, but how much satisfaction will that give us as we survey the rotting corpse of our country.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

It’s ruined anyway mate – nobody’s paying that debt back in real terms.

The reason we are having the pandemic is that the situation was already beyond repair.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

You are right.The die is cast.
The best we can hope for now is a bad recession and limited deaths from missed cancer screenings etc.
The worst doesn’t bear thinking about.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

We need to keep pushing to wake up the non sceptic, at the same time as we push our elected representatives, and protest as we see fit.

I am saddened that the economy is being flushed down the toilet to allow the globalists take control of all our lives.

People who have worked hard to build SME businesses should not loose the manner they are doing a the moment.

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Watt
Watt
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

But surely…after such a crime, and against their own people, we will demand reparations be paid. There are precedents, after all…….!

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Nobody else in my street saying a word, though I suspect some are.
Just one person messaged regretting that we’d not be going to a Remembrance day parade, and I said that nothing will stop me from paying my respects in person at a war memorial and …. no reply, except some disgusting hoot about the US election.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

How can a virus that spreads quicker than flu have a pandemic phase that lasts longer than flu ? Honestly. How ? It’s impossible no ? And even if it was all wavy – those waves become ripples in the end. Not each wave is going to be pandemic levels. It’s so over !

Last edited 4 years ago by Leemc23
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Chris Hume
Chris Hume
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Correct Dave. The direction is all one way. Towards the logic.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

This covid thing is now at one level just a big fucking joke, isn’t it.

Oh yeah, the great big scary pandemic.

We all know it’s bollocks.

It’s just that not all of us know that we know – yet

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The Filthy Engineer
The Filthy Engineer
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Still trying to convince my wife of this fact.

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Mrs issedoff
Mrs issedoff
4 years ago
Reply to  The Filthy Engineer

Still trying to convince my husband too. Out of interest do you end up rowing over it or is it simply the elephant in the room?. I’m so angry at him for his closed mind that I struggle to not turn to violence at times!. I really believe that along with all the other fall out due to this plandemic, there will be a lot of relationship break downs where couples are on a different page. I know that people can’t agree on everything, but this is much deeper and important than the new colour scheme for the lounge.

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Andrea Salford
Andrea Salford
4 years ago
Reply to  Mrs issedoff

You are exactly where I am trying to convince my husband. Mostly it’s the elephant in the room, but it doesn’t take much to tip me over and then I present a poor case due to my total exasperation that he doesn’t get it. He is beginning to see through the lies now that some of the MSM are reporting it but doesn’t share my total horror at the attack on civil liberties and criminalisation of normal human behaviour. Despair.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Andrea Salford

This must be extremely hard for you. In some ways harder to live with someone who isnt in agreement than to live alone .
Keep posting here for some support won’t you.

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago

This evening I’ve emailed individually the MPs who voted against on Wednesday to say “Thank you”.
I’ve received two personal replies already, at this time of the evening.

I’d urge anyone who hasn’t done so yet to bang out a quick note to each of them. They held out against enormous pressure and may well be feeling beleaguered – let them know it wasn’t in vain.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  TheOriginalBlackPudding

Firstly, thank you for doing that, it is enormously important to connect and remember humility in these horrible dark days.

Secondly, it would help me enormously if you can supply their email addresses if you can please?

Cheers,

Arnie.

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DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
4 years ago
Reply to  TheOriginalBlackPudding

Here is the list of email addresses for the MPs who voted against the motion.

If you want it in a different format ie just email addresses, please ask

BAKER, Steve <steve.baker.mp@parliament.uk
HOLLOBONE, Philip <philip.hollobone.mp@parliament.uk
AFRIYIE, Adam <adam.afriyie.mp@parliament.uk
BONE, Peter <peter.bone.mp@parliament.uk
Office of Graham Brady <altsale@parliament.uk
BRINE, Steve <steve.brine.mp@parliament.uk
CHOPE, Christopher <CHOPEC@parliament.uk
DAVIES, Philip <philip.davies.mp@parliament.uk
DJANOGLY, Jonathan <jonathan.djanogly.mp@parliament.uk
DOYLEPRICE, Jackie <jackie.doyleprice.mp@parliament.uk
DRAX, Richard <richard.drax.mp@parliament.uk
DUNCAN SMITH, Iain <iain.duncansmith.mp@parliament.uk
FYSH, Marcus <marcus.fysh.mp@parliament.uk
GREEN, Chris <chris.green.mp@parliament.uk
GRUNDY, James <james.grundy.mp@parliament.uk
HARPER, Mark <mark.harper.mp@parliament.uk
HENDERSON, Gordon <gordon.henderson.mp@parliament.uk
LOUGHTON, Timothy <tim.loughton.mp@parliament.uk
MACKINLAY, Craig <craig.mackinlay.mp@parliament.uk
stephen@stephenmcpartland.co.uk; MCVEY, Esther <esther.mcvey.mp@parliament.uk
MERRIMAN, Huw <huw.merriman.mp@parliament.uk
MORRIS, AnneMarie <annemarie.morris.mp@parliament.uk
PENNING, Mike <mike.penning.mp@parliament.uk
REDWOOD, John <john.redwood.mp@parliament.uk
ROSINDELL, Andrew <andrew.rosindell.mp@parliament.uk
SMITH, Henry <henry.smith.mp@parliament.uk
SWAYNE, Desmond <desmond.swayne.mp@parliament.uk
SYMS, Robert (2nd Mailbox) <symsmp.office@parliament.uk
THOMAS, Derek <derek.thomas.mp@parliament.uk
WALKER, Charles <charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk
WHITTAKER, Craig <craig.whittaker.mp@parliament.uk
william@williamwragg.org.uk; GIRVAN, Paul <paul.girvan.mp@parliament.uk
LOCKHART, Carla <carla.lockhart.mp@parliament.uk
PAISLEY, Ian <ian.paisley.mp@parliament.uk
BARRON, Janet <BARRONJ@parliament.uk
HUGGINS, Katharine <katharine.huggins@parliament.uk>

Last edited 4 years ago by DoubtingDave
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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

You just beat me to it! I can relax now – thanks!

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Katharine Huggins is the address for David Jones.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

good one

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Great stuff! Thank you guys! I’m on the case.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks again.
Arnie.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

So it begins:

Britons could be told to ‘self-quarantine’ for two weeks in January as the price of spending time with relatives at Christmas, SAGE papers suggest

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8923255/Britons-told-self-quarantine-two-weeks-January.html

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Hahaha, not I! They can go and do one.

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Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

LOL. These people are mad.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Beyond mad

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown_Lunacy

Every Spy thriller that comes easily to mind seemed to involve a potty scientist taking over the world. There is a reason for that.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Short answer for SAGE: FO.
Not doing ANY of it now. None of my family or friends are taking a blind bit of notice this time round. Or will. Once trust is lost they can’t get it back. They’ve lost the tryst. Fuk ’em.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

i know 2 people so far who didn’t do any quarantine , happily went off traveling somewhere too one after international flight too.haven’t found out yet if they are fellow lockdown sceptics [ at heart if not subscribed here ],although sicne no one i know aside from 2 friends and one brother are so there is a good chance aren’t . so discouraging . but at least they didnt obey the quarantine rule! so they aren’t total sheep, maybe there’s hope .

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

So not doing that will be cause of the “third wave” will it?

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Third wave. Can you imagine if they tried to claim a third wave. Cretins

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DRW
DRW
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Yes, they’ve already been softening us up for it.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yep, but if they look closely at my data they will see that my waving hand has reversed and is only registering one digit. Problem solved.

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MsStroppster
MsStroppster
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Just tell them to fuck off

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  MsStroppster

… and then tell them to just FUCK OFF!

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  MsStroppster

… or even to get (sage ‘n’ onion) stuffed – they’re a bunch of turkeys.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Sage members clearly have 1) no friends 2) no family and 3) no fucking idea at all.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Nearly right…Ferguson had a fucking idea but it involved him repeatedly criss crossing London at the height of the first lockdown to shag his bit on the side, in direct contravention of the rules he was so keen to see introduced

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TheOriginalBlackPudding
TheOriginalBlackPudding
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

More Psy Ops. Ignore them, they’ll change the tune later and expect us to be grateful. We’ve seen it all before.

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Key workers will be exempt I assume… A lockdown, in other words.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

And bankers…
Other wankers are available and will be exempted too.
But not you.
Or me.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

‘doorstep coffee hour’, ‘Community champions’

OMG! I’ve never read so much shite in my life!

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

How are statements like this from SAGE anything to do with science? Do they now not even wait to see the impact of measures? Is data just getting in the way of their models? They have lost all objective perspective of themselves and are a disgrace to genuine scientists.

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

We will be back in lockdown after Christmas that much is certain after Sunak extended furlough.They are softening us up to take the blame with articles like this

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

Just been watching the BBC’s covid version of the Festival of Remembrance. They just bang on as if no-one could possibly know that this is all a pantomime, and that it does no credit to many of the people taking part. Those who truly ARE worthy of our admiration get somehow submerged in all the virtue signalling.
The BBC used to be good at this sort of thing. Now their lies stand out like sore thumbs.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

Please don’t watch the BBC – just turn the politically correct crap off.

Even Test Match Special is rubbish now.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

You’re right. It’s the first time I’ve watched anything on the BBC since VJ Day, which was very good. Never again though.

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sam
sam
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

i hate the politically correct  stuff so much , i can’t tell you how much

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wat tyler
wat tyler
4 years ago

By reading the comments today iv’e learnt a few things that seem to me really good news .It seems many people are making their own propaganda ie leaflets and posters ,thats great lets cover the country . It looks like the right and left on this site are finally going to unite and fight for the good of the cause ,can the conspiracists and the cockups do the same (we will see). Also the greatest thing is the general enthusiasm that we are turning the tide .I think one of the things we are all happy about is lockdown 2 has a different feel to 1 .Many many people are clearly taking no notice this time ,kids are out playing together ,people are visiting each other and the police are not setting up road blocks everywhere .We just have to keep pushing ahead .The tower is falling and all we have to do is stand together keep united and keep pushing till it topples .We are almost there folks just one last fucking push and its over .

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago

Suicides in Glasgow exceeding covid deaths.

London ambulance service reporting suicides now equalling covid deaths.

Figures exceedingly hard to find. Makes me wonder is somebody has something to hide?…

Which way is the suicide rate gonna go we wonder?

I lost my business partner to suicide 3 weeks ago due to losing our business. We lost our business due to lockdown NOT covid.

I will NEVER forgive or forget. I am relentless. It is heartening to see so many others like me.

My love and admiration to you all in these dark times. We cannot lose unless we allow it.

Arnie.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

And when they say ”covid deaths” they don’t even mean people actually suffering FROM it, but only showing a (usually false) positive test result.
So if suicide rates exceed these – then that’s truly appalling.
Oh dear, Arnie. This is so dreadful for you. Our anger on your behalf and those like you just cannot be expressed.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

I’m an old soldier Banjones, I’ll survive. But I don’t want to JUST survive any more, it’s personal, heart breakingly, gut wrenchingly so. I want the people dying this brought to account, I want them on trial and if/when found guilty I want them punished.

I know from past experience that nobody wins in a war. If this turns into a civil war I will fight because I have nothing left. That makes me a nightmare for the bad guys.

But we are civilised. That is where we must start & try to stay. Once we lose our humanity then we have lost.

Thank you for your thoughts it means a lot. Let’s get this problem sorted now before anybody else gets grief…

Arnie.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

Suicide numbers are not reported too often, once a year and a year lag here in Northern Ireland. For obvious reasons they don’t want to focus the media’s attention. The media are also careful not to publicise suicides.

That being said, even before Covid West Belfast had the highest suicide rate in Europe for young men.

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Rosie
Rosie
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

At least somebody wants your stories now. PANDA that is referenced above the line is collecting them. Do send them in. It’s such powerful witness to the lockdownistas.

https://pandata.org/submit-your-story/

and it’s something to do to express our anguish, to bear witness to it.

Last edited 4 years ago by Rosie
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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Thanks Rosie. That’s tonight’s mission then. I hope you’re ok & bearing up. I’m definitely seeing the green shoots here, more than that actually it seems like the majority are totally ignoring the rules. We’ve got a long way to go but we are definitely winning.
Stay strong,
Arnie.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

WE will never forget, Arnie. 🙂

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Thank you Ceriain. Still sponsored by Kleenex but we’re getting there. Fighting this for gives much needed focus.
Arnie.

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

We won’t lose and we won’t allow it.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Annie, thank you. We are building an army of resistance. We are slow to awaken but the slumbering giant is becoming more aware. I hope we can do this peacefully and with the power of the people. I will be happy to see arrests, court cases & prison for those guilty of these horrible crimes.

The only way we can possibly lose is if we allow it. The population are losing trust in the government, the government have got two choices, back down or ramp up. Either way we are winning. If they ramp up & hurt people even more then the fight back will be nasty. If the government backs down they’ll give an inch & we’ll take a foot.

The day of reckoning is coming.

Stay strong.

Arnie.

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Lili
Lili
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

Arnie, we will win this for you and your business partner and everyone who has been harmed by this evil government. I hope we all get to meet up and HUG/shake hands when this is over, for it may not be a war with guns but it is a war just the same.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lili

Lili, thank you for your message. Yes it is a war against our own people. It’s domestic abuse on a national scale. The public trust the government to do the right thing and the government abuse the public. If it happened in somebody’s house you would expect strong and decisive action to be taken by the authorities.

WE are the only responsible adults left to stand up to this abuse. We will only lose if we let them win.

I look forward to that hug/hand shake. You cannot know how important a little thing like that is to me right now.

Stay strong.

Arnie.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

More grief for the gym owners, snitched in by parking stasi:

https://twitter.com/pacertiOfficial/status/1325078074963222528

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

In years to come these collaborators and their children and grand children will have to watch these clips in documentaries

The scenes are reminiscent of the films we see of the SS committing atrocities in Eastern European villages

There will be a special place in hell for these people

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Yes, a small, mean place where they snitch on one another for all eternity.

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Hampshire Sceptic
Hampshire Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

Why are there so many plods there? Seems to me police are grossly overmanned. There appear to be at least 8 of them there. Of course if you report a burglary they will be too busy to come round.

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DThom
DThom
4 years ago

Have been posting on a Golf Monthly forum the last two days on thread called “New lockdown will golf courses close”

You would not believe the virtue signalling sheep supporting the lockdown. “it’s for the greater good” or “to help saves lives”
When I tried to criticise the merry band running this travesty my posts were deleted by a moderator because they were “political”

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

Why the freekin flip did they have to stop people from playing golf?

I mean, I can see why golf should be banned but not because of covid.
😉

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DThom
DThom
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Haha
Same though with all outdoor sports

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Achilles
Achilles
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

So why is it political when you argue against lockdown but not when you argue for it?

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Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
4 years ago
Reply to  DThom

The demographic who play golf the most are elderly men.Golf clubs love arcane rules so have took to this like ducks to water.
Some have realised they will go bust if this continues but a lot,like pubs and restaurants acquiesce in their own demise.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago

PCR is prone to contamination by very small amount of viral particles.

Hypothesis: we usually don’t notice contamination, especially when it is happening *before* putting the probes into the PCR apparatus. This may even mimick a super spreader event.

Thread with examples

https://twitter.com/frankfurtzack/status/1299762933073838082?s=21

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

An elaboration of what we know – PCR testing is a highly sensitive lab procedure – not a diagnostic test. The potential sources of error in the chain of events are immense, and no one who is serious would use it for mass testing.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago

Here is the link to the official guidance for Remembrance Sunday:

<dontfuckingbotherlooking.gov.twats>

Last edited 4 years ago by Sam Vimes
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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Sam Vimes

The memory if brave men besmirched by crawling grovelling nappied zombies.
Keep away.
Pay your own tribute, with dignity.

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago

Songbird a new movie starts in the 216th week of lockdown:

“Indeed, Songbird is not deeply disturbing because it stretches the imagination into shockingly novel and unthinkable territory, as is to be expected from fiction, but rather, it sends chills up the spine because it speaks to what many of us are already horrified to have seen and believe will likely continue to see happening around us, in the name of “protecting the public against deadly viruses.” 
In fact, many of the terrifying scenes within the film’s trailer will already be familiar to the public because have already been seeded and administered in shocking doses by the Chinese and global media, such as images of citizens dropping dead in the streets, being forcibly removed from their homes by militarized medical police, or the soldering shut of buildings to keep newly quarantined citizens inside their homes-become-lockdown cells.

It is conspicuous that Songbird somehow received approval to be the first feature film to be made during COVID-19 in Los Angeles when virtually all other major products were forbidden from continuing. Also, STX Entertainment’s top investors include Chinese companies such as Tencent,  a multinational technology conglomerate holding company which includes medical and artificial intelligence divisions, and Hony Capital, which has direct investment ties to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/216th-week-lockdown-new-covid-film-songbird-scares-hell-out-people-because-it-may4

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlOSEafzhY

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

“Predictive programming is a subtle form of psychological conditioning provided by the media to acquaint the public with planned societal changes to be implemented by our leaders. If and when these changes are put through, the public will already be familiarized with them and will accept them as natural progressions, thus lessening possible public resistance and commotion.” ~ Alan Watts

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

Isnt that what the main stream media do every day now? I think we’ve already got our eyes wide open for that game.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  calchas

This sounds like a hideous psy-op

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leggy
leggy
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Basically.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924923/Boris-Johnsons-astonishing-bid-nail-leaker-bounced-second-coronavirus-lockdown.html

Good second bit by David Mellor, the first bit about the leak is a bit blah and seems to be #10 led. Quoting Doves and Hawks. Yuck

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Excellent attack by Mellor, IMO.

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bucky99
bucky99
4 years ago

Hey Toby… the ‘get the email latest’ pop up is having issues with cookies… would you be able to switch off until resolved please?

As in, the banner message is still showing after signing up… would help us mobile folk, thanks 🙏

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago

Whoops

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8924191/Coronavirus-thousands-died-Covid-19-caught-hospitals.html

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Replying to myself because the more you read that report the more angry i guarantee you will get. And my (not yet born) grand kids will still be paying the price for saving the NHS ! Everyone clap.

Another thing that leaped out at me and keeps coming back due to a documentary I saw a few weeks ago, a minor point in the text was this “After a shift, the only place to change would be a staff loo”.

The one person I do know who died with Covid in March (note With) was a
Security officer who was continuing to work and using shared facilities, such as changing room toilets. I’ve read that Security Staff are actually (unlike shop staff) disproportionately affected with higher infections and deaths. Might that be due to shared facilities, maybe ?

My wife went to Stratford Westfield in early mid March and had to use a public toilet and a few days later…….Covid. Hospitals and care homes – shared toilets. Lots of Covid.

SARS Cov1 was known to carry through toilets…..

Has this theory been looked at ?

Last edited 4 years ago by Leemc23
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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Faecal Plumes!!!!!!

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Indeed. Maybe I’m over thinking of and I’m full of shit.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

no really that’s what emerging medial science is saying, when you flush close the lid of you will spray a plume of toilet into the air in an aerosol and that’s how you get covids.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

My cereal nearly wallpapered the room! Tears of mirth!

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Yep. Replying to myself like a nutter. It’s been looked at.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/sars-cov-2-orofecal-transmission/

So nappies on your face and bum next.

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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

ah ehm…anti covid butt-plugs, fauchi recommended them back in april as well as goggles.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

What a surprise; Carl Heneghan again. What a guy!

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Singapore got its Nosocomial infection rate down to statistical zero in March by being absolutely rabid about handwashing, operating under assumption primary transfer vector is contact or oral-foecal, same as Norovirus or Polio.
However that means all the antisocial distancing and face masks is a complete waste of time so it was memory holed.
https://www.market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=239747

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

And sudden,y, the hospitals have discovered something to their advantage:

“University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Trust said of our report: ‘The figures relate to patients who have died and had tested positive for Covid-19.
‘This does not mean that they passed away from Covid-19 related disease.’
The other Trusts mentioned were approached for comment, and said deaths ‘with’ Covid-19 were not always the same as deaths ‘from’ Covid-19.”

Now who’d have thought it?

Bloody damn lying hypocritical twats.

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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Too right hypocritical in the extreme.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  annie

Shocker, eh?

They now start to say exactly what we have been saying from the beginning, just to try and cover their arses!

Begs the question, though; why did they remove that from the deaths page on the Gov.uk page (see image).

I wonder if, on the back of this article, they’ll put it back.

Lies.jpg
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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

That article…It blames all the naughty nurses for not wearing the face nappies and sharing snacks, and yes why not put all the covid patients, you know the ones that need all kinds of specialist care in a proper hospital in a sports center with one toilet and hundreds of ventilators and nothing else, to let them die there, sedated and ventilated.

great idea….

These people are just such…errr what’s the word…….it begins with C…..

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Thelma Lukehurst, 88, believes her husband, Dick, 91, died in July after catching Covid-19 while in hospital after breaking his leg. Dick tested negative for the virus on arrival but four days later began to develop Covid symptoms and tested positive

Poor old bugger! Negligent Homicide? Criminally Negligent Manslaughter?

Clap the NHS (while we kill your Grandad).

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Officially, Covid diagnosed between seven and 13 days after admission is a ‘possible’ hospital infection, and after 14 days a ‘definite’ infection.

And in both cases faked as a new hospital admission to scare the masses, like I’ve been banging on about for weeks, as you all know. 🙁

I know you’re fed up seeing them, but here are the links again.

https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/15/#how-many-hospital-cases-are-really-covid

Last edited 4 years ago by Ceriain
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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Leemc23

Sorry, another reply from me.

Yes, Lee, really angry, as you said we would be.

When The Mail on Sunday requested East Kent’s hospital-acquired infection rates, it chose to withhold the information as it would be ‘potentially misleading’ and said it would publish its own report soon.

A spokesperson said: ‘It is unlikely Mr Lukehurst acquired Covid in hospital. His inquest concluded that Covid was not a cause of death.‘

In fact, the inquest into Mr Lukehurst’s death revealed he had died of acute bronchopneumonia, with Covid-19 a contributory factor.

What a bunch of lying bastards!

So, it’s a Covid death until someone questions it! This explains a few things for me.

As you all know, I’m a saddo who looks at the PHE/NHS figures very carefully each day. Every day when I check the ‘actual date of death*’ figures, I see lots of dates where the original numbers go down (by 1 here, by 2 there). I’ve long suspected these were corrections being made when families questioned the death cert, or where a post-mortem had been demanded.

I wonder if my suspicion was correct. Also another pointer to the ‘reported’ death* figure being bullshit!

*Death WITH Covid, not OF Covid, if at all.

Last edited 4 years ago by Ceriain
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Two-Six
Two-Six
4 years ago

Is that Theresa May sticking a swab up her nose in the picture in today’s blog?

Anyway, just to impart a little optimism on another fucked-up Saturday night in psy-op lala land.

Me and Mrs2-6 went to a country park today and we didn’t accidentally bump into a few other sceptics, shake hands or hug or have a few beers and good old sceptical chat.

Oh no we stayed 2 meters apart, wore blue gloves, face nappies and visors and we made sure we turned away from each other and tried to use the minimum of words during interpersonal communication in order to stay safe at all times. We passed around the hand sanitizer. Not the beers.

We had a lovely time and stayed safe too!

I must say the park was RAMMED, I have honestly not seen it so busy EVER, the little cafe there was doing a roaring trade with a big que for the snack bar and the bogs.

Many people out and about, no face nappies, it was just us who were taking the rules seriously!
Honest
😉

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annie
annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

I believe you. Thousands wouldn’t. 😷

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Haha – just the one old trout shaking her head too
Everyone else no probs.
And Mr CGL said how busy it was too – had trouble getting through everyone on his way back with provisions we had forgotten to bring.
A great afternoon!

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PhilipF
PhilipF
4 years ago

Disappointing to see the Queen in a face nappy today. She must have been lent on heavily after her recent naked face appearance.

Last edited 4 years ago by PhilipF
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Leemc23
Leemc23
4 years ago
Reply to  PhilipF

Absolutely unforgivable. But then Prince Andrew probably already took away any faith one should have. I prefer the fiction of the crown to the bollocks of reality. Good night all.

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Arnie
Arnie
4 years ago

If you do one thing this weekend have a look at Ivor Cummins latest video on YouTube. I took notes as I went but I’m sure you youngsters on here have better memories than me. I found the information given and the way is was presented an absolute gold mine. Happy viewing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=_eJuj0rx-48

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calchas
calchas
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

YEs – Ivor Cummins latest video is as good as usual.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

I’ve sent the link to my MP, and told her to watch it before she sends another ‘we have to save lives’ reply to me.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Arnie

Thanks Arnie, well worth watching.
The first half covering the course of the first wave and not-second wave came to conclusions that were predicted as far back as the first week in June when ONS published that overall deaths in London had fallen below the five year average for that week.

Everything else flows from that one thing and it was foretold at the time.

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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Jim Binks
Jim Binks
4 years ago

The police turned up to my address tonight apparently I had set fireworks of in my back garden with my family. Guess what told them that yes I had let fireworks off but so what? The family had left an hour ago before. There is no lockdown unless you comply

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Londo Mollari
Londo Mollari
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

Incredible!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Jim Binks

Surprising amount of people walking around the city high street given that only Tesco Metro, M+S and a couple of take away coffee places would be open.

Fewer masks being worn on the street so perhaps it is a subtle ‘up yours bozo’.

I suppose they could claim ‘reasonable excuse’ of taking their permitted exercise by window shopping.
No Police around for the third day running.

Last edited 4 years ago by karenovirus
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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

Local Live
Shock and Horror rock the city as a Coronovirus Related DEATH is reported from the major regional hospital ! ! !

This follows yet Another Coronovirus Related DEATH just ONE WEEK before !

Which means Total Coronovirus Slaughter has Doubled since the last Sadlidied in June !

(That’s the scary news folks, slightly edited by yours truly.)

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Ceriain
Ceriain
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Jeez, k; that sounds serious.

I’m hope you’re rembering to ‘stay home’ to ‘protect the nhs’ to ‘save lives’. 😉

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Fortunately I was at home when I read of the devastation but put on an extra duvet and, although a lapsed soul, whispered a little prayer for the success off our glorious leader in his battles to rid us of this scourge.
😷😷😷😷😷😷😷😷

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HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
4 years ago

Just ignore the lockdown

I see that with people
Roads are busy

Next door has people coming and going

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

About 2/3 of the cars in the residential streets around came and went during the course of Saturday.
They didn’t seem to be going shopping as the supermarkets were not at all busy.

The chap in the apartment across from me had his mum over as usual and the girl downstairs came and went with her boyfriend who does not live here so all pretty normal for a Saturday.

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Disbelief
Disbelief
4 years ago

The darkest hour is just before the dawn. Hold on. We need you.

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Disbelief

Here, here

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago

The government guidance for Remembrance Day will turn your stomach (ASD, T&T, no singing etc.). Don’t bother, let me summarise for you: the bastards that are stealing *all* our freedoms don’t want you to honour the people (your relatives, maybe) who fought and died for those freedoms. So get out there and do it this morning.

To the fallen, we salute you.

To those ‘in power’…you are not worth my invective; you are the lowest of the low.

In each case, but for very different reasons, “we will remember them”.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

The Great Reset.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

ChrisLam. Approved by the Pope.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

The Prisoner. We are the Unmutuals.

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richard riewer
richard riewer
4 years ago

Our Common Future manifesto.

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sbv3000
sbv3000
4 years ago

I spotted this on ‘The Register’ tech magazine site, which didn’t get much publicity.

https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/29/nhs_covid_19_app_update/

The NHS app is being made ‘more sensitive’ leading to more people told to self isolate. Coincidence that this was done just before ‘mass testing’?

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