The writer is in Australia.
I promised last week to tell readers why I think the only path to victory for conservative political parties is to fight the culture wars. And I foreshadowed this by noting that retreating to just fighting on economic grounds is self-defeating – a healthy economy demands a healthy culture where people understand the benefits of self-reliance, risk taking, delayed gratification and the like. (For the sake of this argument put to one side the fact that the Liberal Party in Australia has no credibility at all on the purely economic terrain, not having run a surplus once in its recent nine-year tenure, being the first of the main parties to attack superannuation [pensions], having printed money and spent like drunken sailors during the pandemic years and so (unbelievably) being in no position to criticise Labour on small-government, thrift-is-important, keep-debt-in-check grounds.)
Another way to put my point is that values matter and that they need to be the basis on which big decisions are made. The Liberal Party instead prefers focus groups and bloodless advisors who disdain the party base. Every U.S. Republican Governor who stood up against lockdowns on principle, on the basis that these massive inroads into civil liberties were unwarranted on the facts, is now politically far better off. Florida’s Ron DeSantis won the 2018 gubernatorial race by just tens of thousands of votes. In 2022 he won a massive landslide; the biggest for a Republican ever. And Florida saw huge numbers move there from other states. Sure, at the time DeSantis made these value-based calls (not to ruin the young by closing schools, not to destroy the small-business sector, not to allow pseudo-vaccine mandates, etc.) he was relentlessly attacked by the Left-wing media (meaning virtually all of it). So he had to learn the data and field hostile questions. And it initially made him less popular with the public. But you believe in certain principles or you don’t. And if you do you act on them. As I said, every Republican Governor who stood up against the lockdownistas is today a big political winner. It would have been the same here in Australia.
The problem is that the then Prime Minister Scott Morrison patently had no values beyond doing what focus groups told him would help in the next election and because of that he tried to ‘out-Labour’ Labour. I still think Malcolm Turnbull was the worst Liberal PM ever, but there is definitely an argument to be made that Morrison was even worse. Name anything the Morrison Government did that could be described as ‘conservative’. Or try to name any policies we conservatives got from nine years of Coalition Governments. I’ll give you Tony Abbott’s stopping the boats, which was in fact an astounding accomplishment. But that’s about it. The universities got worse every year under Coalition Governments. They appointed judges who were on balance barely better than we’d have gotten under Labour, and maybe worse (the Love decision was brought to you by George Brandis appointees, three of the four in the majority which tells you all you need to know, as well as being a knock-out argument against the Voice). Same goes for all appointments including to the Human Rights Commission (whose Commissioners were all Coalition appointees during the pandemic and who didn’t say a single peep, nada, nothing, about the worst inroads on our civil liberties in 300 years – but just wait till someone claiming refugee status comes along with a grievance or there’s a chance for the president to lobby for a bill of rights).
The same goes for the impoverishing Net Zero religion, the fighting against which won the Libs multiple elections till Mr. Morrison (did I remind voters that Morrison was the key player in the Tony Abbott coup?) just decided on his own to throw in the towel on that too. Be honest. The Coalition didn’t fight on any fronts related to our culture at all. It just surrendered to Labour and the ABC worldview, when I would have spent those years defunding or privatising ‘our’ public broadcaster that still lacks a single, solitary conservative presenter or producer on any TV current affairs show. But hey, it’s all just too hard to fight for the current crop of Liberal MPs. If the Libs have ever had a worse cohort of MPs I don’t know when it was. And to be fair, those at the state level are orders of magnitude worse than their federal counterparts. In Queensland the woeful LNP leader Mr. Crisafulli just threw in the towel and signed up to Labour’s treaty lark with its three-year ‘truth-telling’ inquiry. If you’re selling the pass like that you’re not getting my vote. It’s as though Crisafulli is trying to lose the upcoming unloseable Queensland election. Or he is unable to stand up to advisors who buy in fully to the Mark Textor view that the base has nowhere else to go so f— ‘em. Gee, that’s worked really well, hasn’t it?
Look at Europe. Conservative parties that fight the culture wars are winning and winning big. Italy’s Giorgia Meloni is the continent’s most popular politician domestically. She seeks out culture fights (and realise these fights are ones that well over half the population agrees with such as no biological men in women’s sports or in their loos and a stop to big scale, mass immigration).
Hungary’s Viktor Orbán is even tougher on these issues and just keeps winning elections (which the Lefty legacy media tries to paint as undemocratic when it’s just the result they dislike – and notice that their complaint that Orbán gets too much favourable press coverage is laughable when compared to the favourable press coverage that goes to the Democrats and Joe Biden or to the Left in Australia). Ditto conservative parties in Poland. Or in that bastion of social democracy, Sweden. And look at the trends in France and Germany. Meanwhile Britain’s Tories have wasted the huge 2019 Boris/Brexit majority win by becoming more Labour than Labour – the biggest-spending and biggest-taxing outfit since Attlee while caving in on every culture fight going. As a result I’m hoping Rishi Sunak will be destroyed at the next election.
Over in the U.S., the two lasting achievements of Donald Trump (whether he wins in 2024 or not, and I lean to ‘yes, he will’ at the moment) are that he ignored all the great and good and identity politics (a.k.a. ‘got to appoint a woman rather than the most meritorious’) and made superb top Court appointments, the results of which are now clear. And, more importantly, Trump has remade the Republican party. He started a movement that is seeing the ‘wets’ primaried and defeated. This new Republican Party that owes much to Trump most definitely does fight the culture wars. In Australian terms, it would be as though the Libs made a concerted effort to get rid of the Matt Keans of the party, those who either can’t be bothered to fight the culture wars or don’t want to because they agree with Labour and the Greens. Boy do we need a bit of the culture warrior ethos here in this country.
When Labour says “the Libs shouldn’t be fighting on divisive culture issues” what they mean is “we have fought on these issues; we’ve won; and we don’t want them re-opened”.
James Allan is the Garrick Professor of Law at Queensland University. This article first appeared in Spectator Australia.
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No, population densities do not explain ‘covid death’ rates.
Even if a country – such as Sweden – has overall a lower density, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of people live in urban environments where the population densities are very similat between countries.
For example, the population density of Stockholm does not differ markedly from that of London or Milan.
Quite. And Sweden’s largest cities are all in the south of the country – the north of the country is relatively sparse.
Ironically I suspect it’s partly because they DIDN’T lockdown and allowed people outside in the fresh air to get some sun, exercise and to talk to/visit friends/family (especially elderly/sick ones), essenitally living a near normal life with a few limited restrictions early on for large gatherings meant that their immune systems and mental health were in far better shape than (say) ours or the Italians/Spanish.
The mental health component is often missed – as that (including stress and depression) can have a HUGE impact on a person’s immune system and ability to heal/fight off illness.
Even boredem of not being able to do anything, go to new places/do new things, etc – or being stuck in at home every day with either no-one to talk to/interract in person or (often worse still), THE SAME person every day and only them can have abig impact.
I personally know of relatives and local people where couples who previously got along fine are now bickering all the time or are getting divorced, or in some cases a previously ok OAP with a bit of memory issues suddenly went full-on senile in under 6 months because of the lockdown – none of this will help them health-wise.
The other societal effects including the high recent immigration and from certain areas of the world and religious make-up I’m sure won’t exactly help many people’s state of mind if they have to constantly deal with problems associated with that. I suspect this may have had some negative impact of Sweden’s ‘COVID death’ rate compared to other scandinavian nations, even when taking into account other factors (including lockdowns).
It is noticeable in the UK that the worst death rates are in areas of high elderly populations in care homes, but also high density city locations that also have high ethnic minority populations from specific areas of the world (see my longer comments from earlier).
I am convinced about the immigation point. There are no-go areas of Stockholm for the police now, and someone I know said (and this was before Covid) that she wouldn’t visit her home in a northern suburb of Stockholm because of the high presence of immigrants.
My guess is that they were also to a large part responsible for the early care home deaths in Sweden as many of them work as care support staff.
Many different factors on the care home deaths – I suspect the vast majorty weren’t caused by migrant staff per se compared to generally, but more was from the authorities pushing either untested or COVID-postive care home residents back into their care home.
The factors I spoke of earlier has more to do with the likelihood of persons from specific groups getting seriously ill or dying, not particularly being ‘super-spreaders’ of the virus*.
* still not yet proven to exist
It’s more likely that they were employed in greater numbers and live in high density, poorer living conditions areas that they would get the virus anyway and, possibly, pass it on because they didn’t stay at home if they got symptoms because they feared the sack.
Saying that, I was in my local supermaket yesterday where a member of staff, who was a white British (ethnically) woman was coughing a LOT and continued to walk around the store doing her work, and no-one, not even colleagues, said ANYTHING.
I’m not saying she/they neede to panic, but I think that actual signs of illness should’ve prompted her/them to remove herslf from the shop floor, check if it wasn’t just something innocuous (which it could’ve been), and if not, go home and then see how she was the next day.
I personally think that the ‘asymptomic spreader’ theories are just nonsense, and we should ONLY concentrate on people who actually get sick with reasonable symptoms should then be looked at – especially now that we know that the virus is getting less virulent, albeit perhaps more transmissible.
How many Nobel will be attributed to the person who prove “the virus” exists?
There’s the rub. According to Dr Sam Bailey (she is awell-knwon doctor in NZ and has a YT and odysee channel), the $100k prixe for the first person/group to separate, purify the virus and get an image of the particle from an electron microscope and get the gene sequence from just that particle has yet to be claimed, despite ‘many’ having ‘discovered’ the genetic code of ‘the virus’.
In short, none have (when they are directly asked) – all they’ve done is apparently taken the ‘sample’s from swabs from China, put them in a centrifuge and then used computer programs to ‘build up’ a genetic code for the soup of material based on similar constructs from SARS ‘viruses’ on file.
Rather like taking some Lego bricks from 4 boxes and building something without seeing the picture onany of the boxes. It may be that some of the genetic material sequenced (and using PCR, which ain’t that accurate at the best of times) contains a new ‘virus’ but that means it also likely contains other stuff – probably why the ‘vaccines’ aren’t particularly great at differentiating between the barely different strains of ‘COVID-19’ out there.
I’m intrigued by this. How have the attenuated live virus vaccines been created if no one can isolate the virus?
It’s a synthetic nucleotide sequence…….made up by ‘scientists’ like every other part of this evil charade
It’s not that kind of “vaccine”
“My guess is that they were also to a large part responsible for the early care home deaths in Sweden”
Oh dear! More immigration from Planet Zog. Guessing as science.
Seems familiar.
I should introduce you to the woman I met the other day who told me that for the last eighteen months she has been twitching her curtains in order to make sure she avoids her Indian and Chinese neighbours because “you don’t know what they’ve got”. Mind you, she wasn’t entirely xenophobic in her philosophy – she did add that for the same reason (we are in North Wales) she was trying to avoid people who had travelled to the area from Liverpool! And she also referred to the need to avoid “the deadly virus that is floating in the air all around us”. Oh, and she is “having trouble sleeping at night because of anxiety”. Now there’s a surprise. I was trying to persuade her to take a copy of ‘The Light’ newspaper at the time so you can imagine how that went down!
A close friend of ours, double vaxed and all that shit, is now fearful of being closer that 6 feet of ANYONE inside or outside. Thought she was having me on, but turned out seriously true.
YES, That is how the immune system works – PLENTY of interaction with the outside world.
Also explains why slum areas fair better, the poor souls living there have more pressing concerns to deal with than a lockdown and social distancing.
Mental health, worry, stress, depression, etc, YES all highly relevant to the immune system. Ask any medical specialist treating a serious illness, like cancer, how outcomes are dictated by such issues – They’ll put it at possibly the most important – “Might as well Throw in the Towel” if my patient has lost hope.
I wonder how much of the variation is simply a result of different methods of labelling ‘covid’ deaths.
That’s why Noah ran the correlation against all-cause age adjusted excess mortality, which is invariant to how deaths are labelled. The answer is slightly better correlation than for PCR-driven COVID labeled deaths, but, still nothing convincing given how much that result is affected by a single country.
What explains the Covid death rates? The misattribution of Covid-19 as the cause of death on many death certificates!
We’ve been lied to on a monumental scale – and the lies continue!
It is highly probable that population density is a factor – but, as pointed out, it is difficult to measure it in relevant terms. And that’s before we get to the thorny question of the reliability of ‘Covid death’ figures between different countries.
Causation is rarely a single variable issue, and all the evidence for Covid points to the relevant factors being a complex interaction of many dimensions. That means that related variables may also work against each other in different situations.
Just to take a couple of example – it is clear that some aspects of climate are relevant; there is also the fact that early Covid mortality in Europe was concentrated in maritime nations; then, it has recently been pointed out that the density of multi-generational households may be extremely relevant.
What we can be pretty sure about is the striking irrelevance of government measures!
There is no pandemic
changing from deaths to cases caused a pandemic
So what about densely populated slum areas and ghettos that were largely unaffected. People there had stronger immune systems?
Obviously, and while I’m about it I would think that many multi-generational households also have stronger immune systems.
Surely any data or research which is, at it’s root, based on the garbage PCR test is, for want of a better word, shite?
Correct.
Very nice analysis Noah. Simple and to the point.
“How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Sign of Four
One of my favourite examples of logic.
The only problem being that there are always more possibilities that one is not aware of – the unknown unknowns!
Fair point.
Were they ‘covid’ deaths. Where has pneumonia gone, the prior end of life cause?
Covid has fewer characters than pneumonia. Easier to write down. If you being pedantic do a autopsy – find a pathogen – toss a coin and chose that.
Do I care??
That’s exactly my sentiments.
Ask anyone who claims Sweden did better than the uk due to population density, cultural characteristics or whatever, if they argued at the beginning lockdowns were unnecessary there due to these factors.
As I’ve said many times last year (when I was still a Telegraph subscriber) and often here (a few days ago) and elsewhere since, population density and distribution are only one amongst a whole slew of factors that (assuming the pandemic isn’t mostly mass hysteria + actual deaths due to ‘ordinary’ pneumonia and the flu dressed up as ‘COVID-19’ plus add-on deaths because of lockdown-related issues [lack of diagnosis and treatment of other disease, dispair/loneliness in the elderly/mentally vulnerable, etc]) could help explain why certain nations were worse affected than others:
Because of the above, it is very easy to make generalisations about why X or Y country has done better/worse than others, and why it has made the government/media propagandists job that much easier. Other than a few small independent sites, most of the above is barely being discussed, nor is much being looked into in academic circles.
All of the above and obesity/ diet/ exercise.
Ar pollution may also be important. When it first came to the UK I noticed it was spiking in high pollution areas. It turns out Wuhan and parts of Italy also had high pollution levels. Maybe pollution damge makes it more likely to invade the lungs.
Conversely areas near the sea seem less affected. All of course bearing in mind the shonkyness of the PCR tests.
All of the above, plus employment type and housing arrangements, since it’s been suggested that viral load plays a role in whether someone becomes (properly) infected with the v and how badly it will affect them. In particular – supermarket workers I’d say have been exposed to low, consistent levels of the v throughout so have probably built up some natural immunity. Re housing arrangements – air movement inside buildings resulting in differences in infection rates between tower blocks/blocks of flats or apartments and detached housing? Those old terraces where the front doors and windows open directly onto the street, with shared passageways to the back yard?
As an engineer who’s worked in Construction for many years designing ventilation systems, etc – across all types of buildings, I would say that the most susceptible buildings and thus occupants are:
People living in high-rise blocks of flats, where they have little ventilation (if any) in communal areas and, where it is provided as forced air (via fans), it isn’t well maintained, including any air ducts, and thus is a breeding ground for germs and viruses. This includes the often unkempt/dirty areas where the air is drawn from outside, where piles of rubbish or bird poo is present.
Underground railway networks – similar reasons, plus even more cramped conditions. Ironically, modern trains (including now above ground) and buses that have fixed windows and rely on forced air (often minimal fresh air for the ‘standard’ maximum passenger level and that have air conditioning means that they are far more of a breeding ground for airborne ailments than the older vehicles with openable windows and at most electric heaters for winter use.
Offices, schools/colleges and buildings in general that were designed/built in the 1960s – 1980s that were essentially concrete boxes that are sealed up (no openable windows again) with poor quality forced air ventilation and A/C and low ceilings. They are difficult to upgrade to modern systems (many have not sufficient space for the new equipment) that would provide sufficient ventilation. The low ceilings mean that mixing of air is poor and that in summer, they can get VERY hot and humid.
Houses are not too bad – the problem was that forcing households to stay at home, except for a small amount of ‘exercise’ per day (which most people avoided) and the odd trip to buy groceries, meant that many people became more unfit, didn’t get fresh air and vitamin D from sunlight, and often snacked on unhealthy foods, drank more alcohol/smoked more due to the stress, plus, of course, more indoor (enclosed) opportunities for viruses to spread, helped (ironically) by masking up with useless cloth masks (which were constant handled [contaminating them], re-used, etc) which has lead to more people getting mouth infections, etc.
Terraced housing where they have no front garden obviously are not as good as ones that have one, to help get properly fresh, clean air. Similarly where housing is in busy areas for people and/or road vehicles. Even forced air in offices etc, whilst normally filtered, won’t remove microscopic tiny particles such as viruses or, in most cases, pollution such as vehicle exhaust.
It’s why we try, as best we can, to site air intakes for such systems as far away from roads, car parks, refuse areas, and where people congregate (smoking, etc) where the ‘cleanest’ air is available. In most cities, this isn’t really possible in the most densily built up areas. The really high grade filters (e.g. used for lab or hospital ventilation systems) tend to be VERY expensive, and because they stop very small particles, they get clogged far more quickly and thus need replacing far more often, which further increases the cost. Most ordinary buildings won’t get them as a result – too expensive to buy/run.
It was also noticeable that when I worked in city areas, I always got sick more often than working in towns and villages. I’d never got the flu until 2012 (I was around 40 then), then got it 3 times and tonsilitis twice in the next 4 years – all that time based in or predominantly working on project in London. I also got the flu jab for each of those years, and yet…one time in 2013 I got the flu so bad I was off work for two full weeks.
Needless to say, I have NOT had that vaccine since 2017 and miraculously have not got the flu. That and the lies from Big Pharma, the MSM, government and the Civil Servant ‘experts’ pushed me to take a long, hard look at what I should be doing about my health, including vaccines.
I even have some regrets now after getting a tetanus booster last winter after I slipped and fell and badly cut my arm, after reading the book ‘Virus Mania’, which Dr Sam Bailey (on YT and odysee) contributed to.
“Needless to say, I have NOT had that vaccine since 2017 and miraculously have not got the flu. ”
Is that a Miracle?
Never had the Flu Jab EVER, must have had the Flu (infection) in all my Years on this planet, but don’t remember. All the “Sniffles” yes, but so?
i can assure you if you’d had flu you would have known about it. i have never had the flu jab either and haven’t had flu for years.
So do you believe that any viral load will cause a serious illness? How many pathogens have visited our bodies and we never noticed it?
We need contact and knowledge of the threats out there to combat them – similarly to protecting out computers etc. against Malware.
I sympathise with anyone who has suffered from a bad attack of Flu or any other disease. It has happened in my own family.
All excellent stuff. I doubt the likes of SAGE would have considered any of this.
“it’s been suggested that viral load plays a role in whether someone becomes (properly) infected with the v and how badly it will affect them.”
And why not????? If that wasn’t true then 1 Virion could cause fatal infection, and how the hell could life have existed for Millions of years?
5G rollout fits with the deliberate covid pathogen deployment. The two halfs of binary weapon.
5G is the elephant in the room, the dangerous military communications infrastructure deployed into the civilian domain without any meaningful business case. Fibre optic cables can handle enough data for the so called ‘internet of things’. Why would any responsible governments want to rollout a system that saturates urban populations with frequencies between 8Ghz up to 300Ghz? Standard wifi/mobile phone signals at the 2.45Ghz frequency just heat you up, 5G is frying us.
Exactly! Not enough people realise this.
I concur that 5G is tied in to the Covid19 agenda. 5G proper that is with the millimeter waves and the massive opening up of the spectrum from currently up to 6 GHz to I believe 90GHz, but 300GHz could be right – it changes from one place to the next.
Something which makes this obvious imo is the fact that some people have become magnetised post jab. This has been confirmed by doctors, it’s not a conspiracy theory. This alone should have people screaming from the rooftops but not much has been made of it. I believe these magnetised people have ben injected with something which makes them more susceptible to being controlled and manipulated. There is also a lot of talk of hydrogel being in the jabs which Carrie Madej has spoken about.
As you rightly say, 5G is the deployment of a military grade weapons/comms network rolled into one, and all you get, despite 20,000+ peer reviewed papers confirming EMF is harmful and many thousands confirming wireless is harmful, is people sneering and acting like it’s some sort of joke. They won’t be laughing when the poles go up outside their houses and they start becoming ill from it. It’s the same attitude of the jabbed vs unjabbed – in the main, the difference is that one party has done their homework and the other hasn’t. Exactly the same with 5G.
Scientific Research On 5G, 4G Small Cells, Wireless Radiation And Health
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/2230/html/
I remember this from back the time when it was called Elektrosmog. Adjusting the concept for modern times as Of course, the mobiles without which we can’t even go to the loo are completely harmless. But the next generation of mobiles we don’t yet own will be our undoing !!! doesn’t improve it.
A couple of years from now, people who won’t even go to the loo without their 5G mobiles will claim that 6G (or whatever it will be called) will be our undoing !!!
“I remember this from back the time when it was called Elektrosmog”
So do I, as a retired electronics engineer with more than a few years working on RF. The regulations on RF exposure are based on the thermal effect – heating- so yes your mobile is usually well within safety limits. Furthermore due to skin effect and absorption the radiation will not penetrate into your body especially at the higher 5G frequencies.
Unless you are very close to a high power aerial – an area that would be protected – you are safe.
That said the problem health wise may be caused by the modulation of the RF carrier. The RF will be de-modulated by nonlinearities in your skin – much like the old tyme crystal radio receiver great grandfather used – These minute electrical currents will reflect the low frequency pulsing of the digital modulation and thus interact with your natural nerve signals etc. I’m not a medical or neurological Phd, but I can visualise such random electrical signals causing havoc.
A work round for this problem would be a modulation system that has no LF component. No problem technically, but at present the industry wants to maximise the digital throughput which would be compromised by the biologically friendlier modulation. ie. GREED
Plot excess deaths against size ( average number of inhabitants) of the countries care homes. Layer this with whether a country still has local ‘cottage hospitals’ , again average number of patient beds would probably do. That will tell the story.
For instance UK , Sweden and northern Italy have large care homes compared with the likes of Norwayfor instance which has a mutitude of quire small ones.
Countries like Germany and Japan still have local health provision, with local smallish hospitals in many areas.
My point is that most serious infections have been in care homes and hospitals; take these away from the totaland its difficult to see anything out of the ordinary at all.
Your point is valid – but bear in mind that there is nothing out of the ordinary happening anyway, as measured by all-cause mortality – especially when the obvious ‘dry tinder’ effect is taken into account.
Precisely; and Hancock is guilty as charged, responsible for sending these folks home and not treating them.
Yes, and if any of us on this thread had done even half of what that vermin MH has done we’d be be consulting our VERY WORRIED Solicitor now instead of posting comments here!
“My point is that most serious infections have been in care homes and hospitals”
WE seem to have forgotten this. In the beginning, about 18 Months ago, Covid 19 (not SARS Cov 2 virus) was a disease that affected mainly care home residents and hospital patients. The average age for serious outcomes and death being 80+ years. Obviously most of these patients were in poor health and many also very frail. At that time the life expectancy was also 80+ years. As the above cases were about 45% and there would have additionally been a number of similar frail / sick people in their own homes, adding these to the care home & hospital cases we are talking of possibly 55% to 60% in this category.
Very quickly the rhetoric kicked in firstly by adding all those 80+ Years to the extremely vulnerable (EV) list. Rapidly the EV list included the over 70’s, then 65’s (statuary retirement age), then 60’s ( under statuary retirement age) and so on till it will include the new born, (or newly conceived?) All MUST be vaccinated – BY ORDER.
Pointless discussion. There has been no pandemic.
The tried and tested way to reduce populations is to start a major war, since that has not happened for over 70 years a virus was introduced to reduce the population (covid-19). However, it hasn’t worked. A major war is coming, possibly starting in Asia.
Why not stop these constant attempts to explain something whose cause will remain unknown forever? Even assuming some kind of magic correlation would manifest itself, a causative relation would still need to be proven by making a controlled, repeatable experiment.
Knowledge does not come from speculation. Ever.
I too feel that any density relationship to Covid deaths are hard to make a case for.If only it was that simple. I do feel that there are many factors to look at. Not all of what I have written is the answer either.
The Spanish, like the Italians, even the Portuguese, are societies which live more in public spaces. Bars, play areas for kids, parks etc. They embrace and kiss each other more than other counties. That part of life is hard to remove.
These counties have flats which are quite small compared with a lot of other countries.Meeting friends and family away from your dwelling is a normal way of live. There has been in the past talk about proper ventilation begin a key exponentiate in removing risks from the spread of Covid. A lot of flats have communal ventilation pipes and sometimes sizeable shafts. All of these connected with other flats in the same building, thus pushing contaminated air through a building. That is why whole buildings got “hit”. There was a story about this in El Pais newspaper when Spain was in it’s first lockdown. I cannot find it after a long period and the story about good ventilation seems to have died a death.
The other thing that density will not consider is the age of the population and neither the general health of them. Spain is often held up to be a good example of public health, but in truth it is very run down. In Portugal most hospitals are private and at one time they would not treat Covid patients. I think that has now changed.I do feel that hospital care is also a factor.
Spain and Portugal also have the strictest face mask wearing regulations in Europe at the moment. That still has not helped to low the deaths by much. But we know mask don’t reduce the risk eh?
Sorry ti was so long but I have tried to explain as clear as possible.
“The Spanish, like the Italians, even the Portuguese, are societies which live more in public spaces. Bars, play areas for kids, parks etc. They embrace and kiss each other more than other counties. That part of life is hard to remove.”
Are you suggesting that this is a bad thing in those societies? Life is for enjoying not fear. How did they survive all the virus and bacteria previously, Is SARS Cov-2 so much different?
OOPS! sorry its a Bio Weapon, excuse me.
Obesity has not been mentioned in the article or the comments. It is recognised that a considerable proportion of younger people who become seriously ill are morbidly obese. That appears to be more of a problem in the UK than in other European countries.
aha, so it’s the density of the individuals within the population that’s important rather than the density of packing the population into a space. LOL
Obesity may be a left over (pun not intended) from evolution and the changes forced by the first industrial revolution – only yesterday in evolutionary, or genetic terms. Agricultural workers displaced from the land to town / slum dwelling now requiring a totally different diet – metabolic – regime. Originally AG Lab’s had a hard physical working life coupled to a natural wholesome diet well suited to their physical energy requirements – even controlling a horse pulling a plough is fairly physical – try it! Transfer them to the mill, factory, etc and their body still expecting the old agricultural regime puts any excess calories into fat reserves for that “rainy day” which never comes. Result obesity, evolution takes its time, ask Darwin.
I remember Swedenborg posting some data on this a few months back.
My theory then, and nothing I have seen since would change it, is that as most transmission is nosocomial, hospitals and care homes will be the biggest determinant of spread. Even in sparsely populated countries, hospitals tend to be large and concentrated.
Yes.
Counter-intuitive? Blimey, I wonder what people think the population density of that sea the Diamond Princess (or whatever that ship was called) was on is?
Exactly
Still swimming within the confines of the official narrative I see….
Daily Sceptic? When will this site start getting Gates Foundation money eh? Perhaps a crossword. Maybe the odd article by Boris or Ambrosio Pritchard?
Its dangerous out there, out of the Lifre Guard’s view – Sharks waiting.
There is no f*cking virus, no test for it , no clinical diagnosis for ‘it’, no pandemic just bulls*it case number mainly made up of healthy people, and as such it doesn’t matter what the population density of an area is!! It is just a very EVIL charade to divide, depopulate and increase the wealth of Big Pharma through snake oil poisons!!
Sorry I thought the majority of deaths were in institutional settings i.e. care homes and hospitals or have I got that wrong? How many care homes and hospitals are there in the middle of nowhere? Also haven’t WHO admitted that in 95% of deaths other causes were also included? If that’s the case why are we bothering to look into this in the first place? We seem to be going up our own statistical arses for the sake of it.
100% correct! I made a comment on this previously on the thread.
Different data-collection methods, different testing regimes, different death-reporting protocols, different models and algorithms could probably explain all inter-and intra-country variation.
ie. Rhetoric
If this was due to population density,how do you explain the following? South Dakota with an extremely low population density has the 10th highest C 19 mortality in the US.District of Columbia,Delaware with similar sized population living on a much more restricted area has much lower C 19 mortality.
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I suspect a bigger factor is how each country counts covid deaths. Silly methods like our own ‘within 28 days of a positive test even if run over by a bus’ make a mockery of stats.
Population density might be a factor, but how can there be any meaningful comparison between countries when it seems there is no standard method of identifying Covid deaths, and in this country at least it is likely to have vastly overestimated the numbers (ie death from any cause counted as a Covid death within 28 days of a positive test using a test that is not fit for purpose and which shows a large proportion of false positives).
No, the only reason people died was because they were denied early treatment, told to quarantine at home and hope for the best thereby infecting everyone in their homes or care homes. Then when their condition deteriorated, the “lucky” ones were admitted into ICUs, put on a ventilator (again without administering any treatment protocols) and were left to die. The rest -masks, mass lockdowns, social distancing were all unnecessary, if not psychologically harmful theatrics that did nothing to stop the virus from spreading. If they would have treated the infected people with the already existing and proven therapies and had advised everyone to boost their immune system by eating healthy, taking vitamins, exercising, spending more time outdoors, losing weight and to get treated early or even prophylactically, millions of lives could have been saved. The death rates were a direct result of politicians’ and “public health officials” ignorance, hubris and greed for power and money.
Ah, Ventilators. Has the NHS offered any of these (Surplus) on eBay yet?
they sent the spares to India to assist in building up their death rates
Thank you for raising awareness of two ‘facts’ today.
First the ‘fact’ that the ‘not a vaccine’ raises the risk of transmission of high levels of virus to the vulnerable from the jabbed who are blissfully ignorant of their infectiousness.
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Second, the ‘fact’ that the medical ‘establishment’ is still unable to explain how so-called seasonal respiratory viruses spread and infect, and then cause disease (not unrelated but not the same thing, the disease requires the infection but the infection does not necessarily cause the disease).
There are no covid death rates…ONLY death rates…
A simple point, because I am simple, is the number of “deaths” where no co- morbidities are present; in the US and UK, for example these numbers when I last saw them were a very small fraction of the reported “Covid” deaths; how can these public health apparatchiks who are responsible for the policy collation and publishing to the latter look themselves in the mirror?
I believe certain “Beings” can shatter mirrors just by looking. Try a Clove of Garlic on them – much like a PCR test.
Yet another way to count how good one country is.
Covid Resilience Ranking on Bloomberg.This is getting silly.
If we were all counting ‘covid deaths’ the same way you could make such extrapolations. But figures are skewed by some counting deaths ‘with’ covid, some going back 28 days, etc. Until you can establish (which you cant) a baseline interpretation of a ‘covid death’, no assumptions can be made.
..and then the elephant in the room, different treatment regimes..