The former Brexit minister Lord Frost delivered a damning indictment of the politics and economics that surround the collectivist Net Zero project. Giving the Global Warming Policy Foundation’s annual lecture on Thursday, he noted that governments are generally made up of clever people, and clever people tend to think they know best how to run things. But Frost argued that with Net Zero they were “making people poorer, reducing opportunity, and as a result limiting our economic, political, foreign policy and defence capacity”.
Lord Frost noted that ‘clever’ politicians believe their narrow specialisms, often painfully achieved, qualify them to predict the future accurately “and certainly often make them disdainful of people who question them”. We can be confident, he continued, that this approach will be economically inefficient, regulators will be captured, rents will be sought, and poor decisions will not only be taken but will be persisted with long after it has become clear they are irrational. When implementing inefficient and unreliable energy policies, politicians hope something will turn up to help out, while at the same time imposing, or promising, restrictions on lifestyles to deal with the consequences.
He went on to give examples including making people buy inferior and more expensive boilers and take a punt on electric cars. House designs are being constrained and energy efficiency requirements are squeezing the whole housing market. “Most egregiously, we are forcing investment in windmills, a technological breakthrough first mentioned when Henry II was on the throne [1154-1189], but less obviously suited to provide power on demand today, given that we have so far found no solution to the intermittency problems other than maintaining a back-up network of gas and coal-fired power stations,” he said.
In his view, many western governments prefer to live in “complete cognitive dissonance rather than confront what they know in their hearts, that they are pursuing unfeasible and internally contradictory policies”.
There is no doubt that the sheer impracticability of Net Zero – removing a fuel within less than 30 years that powers 80% of the world’s energy supply – is starting to ring alarm bells in right-of-centre political circles. But there is a debate being waged over the best way forward. Lord Frost thinks that building a coalition within a major political party by emphasising the economic disadvantages of Net Zero is our best hope – disadvantages that will become painfully obvious to a majority of the population during the next cold winter.
During the Q&A, he emphasised that trying to undermine Net Zero by attacking the ‘settled’ science narrative was unlikely to work, although he did note Steve Koonin’s recent assertion in Unsettled that the science is insufficient to make useful projections about how the climate will change over the coming decades. But the feeling of many in the audience was that critiquing the science must play an important role. Green activists are already preparing the ground for a large reduction in living standards on the grounds that humans face an existential threat. As many cults in the past have discovered, the existential threat can be used to justify all manner of draconian interferences in our liberty, while science provides one of the best inoculations.
Lord Frost’s lecture is an excellent contribution to the widening debate on Net Zero and, with his permission, we have published it in full below.
Chris Morrison
I want to begin this lecture by paying tribute to Lord Lawson, Nigel Lawson, who sadly died last month. It is a striking, and in many ways rather depressing, illustration of how much politics has changed since his time in government that his great memoir, The View from No.11, contains no index entry for ‘global warming’, ‘climate change’, or even ‘environment’. That changed very soon after he stepped down and he got involved in the debate with gusto, set up this Global Warming Policy Foundation, and was one of the few politicians – most of the others are in this audience – who were willing to subject the consensus political response to climate change to real debate. To the extent we are still able to debate these issues rationally, it is very much thanks to Lord Lawson’s efforts over the last 30 years. He is very much missed by all of us.
It is an honour to deliver the GWPF Annual Lecture this evening. I do so in the footsteps of very many distinguished predecessors and true experts, Steven Koonin just last year, Richard Lindzen, Matt Ridley, and many more. Mentioning these names shows why, well before I became a trustee of the Foundation myself, I was an avid reader of these lectures, as a beacon of rationality and reliable fact in a world which seemed so devoid of them. So it is with trepidation that I now put a foot into this debate myself. I am encouraged, however, by the fact that it is not only scientists who have spoken here. There is a wider perspective which we need to hear and which, for example, Cardinal George Pell – another sad loss this year – brought in his lecture in 2011. The climate change issue cannot be left to scientists. How it is handled affects the whole of society. That is where I come in.
I came into politics late, and through Brexit not climate. But 30 years dealing with the EU gives you a very good nose for bad economics, for lobbying, rent-seeking, for la pensée unique, for corporatism, and indeed for a suspicion of capitalism and markets more broadly. All those things seem to me to be also highly characteristic of the way we – by which I mean this Government, but also the West and its allies more broadly – are handling the challenge of climate change. That is why I care so much about this issue. I care about the risk that we are legislating ourselves into economic decline. It is therefore on that aspect, the economics, that I will focus primarily tonight.
Hence the title of my lecture: “Not Dark Yet, but it’s getting there”. This is of course a lyric from the eponymous Bob Dylan track – a song which is a reflection on his own mortality and his declining powers as a human being. I invite us tonight to make the same reflection about our society. It is not just about whether we literally go dark, as we can no longer keep the lights on – but also whether we in the West can sustain the confidence to face our challenges and to succeed as the world’s leading economies and societies, or whether we alternatively sink into miserabilism, degrowth, and economic decline.
So tonight I’ll speak mainly about how we are handling the consequences of the scientific view of climate, rather than whether that view is well founded in the first place. Still, every speaker on this subject must nevertheless make their view clear, if only as inoculation against some of the wilder accusations that inevitably come one’s way. So: it seems to me that the physics of the greenhouse effect is extremely well established. The ability to predict what that means for the climate is less so, but it seems overwhelmingly likely that there has been human agency in the global temperature rises of the last century or more. That said, as Steve Koonin, distinguished physicist and under-secretary for science in the Obama administration, notes in his book Unsettled, “the science is insufficient to make useful projections about how the climate will change over the coming decades, much less what effect our actions will have on it”. He later describes “over-the-top statements” about the ‘climate emergency’ and ‘climate crisis’ as “increasingly divorced from the science” – a view which seems very reasonable to me. Overall I take it as a desirable goal to reduce the amount of carbon we emit, but in a way which is proportionate to the threat, if threat there is, and which sustains economic prosperity and growth. Climate change is a problem, one of the many we face: it is not existential and it doesn’t mean extinction is coming.
The science is, in my view, distinct from the political goal of ‘Net Zero 2050’. That is an arbitrary target conceived to meet another arbitrary target, i.e., to keep temperature rises to 1.5 degrees. The causal connection between those things is very much open to debate, so are the necessary trade-offs, and so is the methodology by which we get to the target. I refuse to accept that questioning the specific target of Net Zero 2050 can be or should be off-limits. Indeed, only propositions which subject themselves to debate are worthy of being taken seriously in the first place. So we must keep asking: is Net Zero 2050 an achievable goal at an acceptable cost? And are we going about it in the right way?
My answer, perhaps not surprisingly, is no. I am going to argue that the route we have chosen to deliver Net Zero is inevitably wasteful and damaging; that it is totally implausible that it will boost growth and much more likely that it will reduce it; that as a result governments are pursuing completely incompatible political and economic objectives, but will not be able to do so for ever; that when the crunch comes they may well double down on further economically damaging measures in order to meet the goal; and, therefore, finally, that people like me must prepare for that moment when we will need to try to get onto a more rational path with a rethink of Net Zero methods and, almost certainly, timetable.
The route we have chosen to deliver Net Zero is inevitably wasteful and damaging
Much Net Zero policy is about how we predict the future. That is difficult. As we have seen from the OBR’s and the IMF’s efforts in the last year, even short-run economic predictions within well understood economies are subject to huge and damaging errors. Yet the uncertainties that we face on Net Zero go massively beyond this. A huge number of factors are at play – not just the inherent unpredictability of any modern economy, but uncertainty about technologies: hydrogen, SMRs, CCS, and much more; the effect of decisions made by the government and by regulators and their interaction domestically and internationally; the impact of the different mixes of electricity generation, the effect of renewables on the grid, and much more. On top of that comes massive international uncertainty and extremely dangerous geopolitics. This means that predictions are almost certainly going to be wrong.
One can test this by looking backwards and checking predictions actually made, something that policy makers rarely do. Look at the predictions made in the Labour Government’s 2003 Energy White Paper. This is in fact quite a sober document, in many ways much more economically rational than more recent outputs from government – which I will come on to. The political environment was relatively calmer. Still they got a lot wrong. They obviously did not foresee shale gas and the dramatic up-ending of assumptions about future prices. They envisaged much more extensive wave and tidal power. They thought there would be much more local generation from these sources but also from biomass and waste. They believed there would be much more backup capacity to handle renewables’ intermittency and they thought nuclear power would be on the way out. As a result, they took us down a route that, today, is clearly problematic.
Governments nowadays have exactly the same difficulties in making predictions, and for the same reasons. It is of course well-known since Hayek that knowledge about an economy is dispersed and cannot even in principle be known by planners. The inherent uncertainties in the current situation mean that today’s confident predictions about energy prices, technologies, their economic and scientific effect, and their interaction with the climate are essentially just guesswork.
You might think, therefore, that the right thing for governments to do would be to invest in basic scientific research and experimentation, to establish a simple regime for taxing the externality of carbon emissions, to put in place a supportive regime for planning and infrastructure, and otherwise stand back and let the market sort out how best to meet the policy goal, however it is defined and however demanding it is.
Of course, governments have done no such thing. They have all, instead, chosen a highly dirigiste route to Net Zero. Despite all the evidence, they believe they know best and are confident in the technologies that will get us to the goal. We have targets for almost everything: cars, boilers, hydrogen, offshore wind, solar. They have designed highly complex policy regimes to take us there which assume they are capable of calibrating exactly correctly the right amount of tax and subsidy. As a result, they have created systems which are so complex that nobody can understand them. There is nothing like a free market yet there is no clear government direction or centralisation either. The consequences of this system, it being unpredictable, are themselves unpredictable, and the unwelcome consequences themselves then have to be corrected for – as we see at the moment with the proposed hydrogen levy.
As Dieter Helm wrote of the U.K. energy market in his 2017 energy review:
The sheer number of interventions in the U.K. energy market is so great that few if any participants in the markets, few regulators, ministers or civil servants can have grasped them all. The inability of the market participants to grasp all these interventions is in itself likely to increase the cost of energy. … The result is that it is not possible to make a cost-effectiveness assessment of almost any of the specific policies.
This has happened for the same reason it always does: because governments are generally made up of clever people, and clever people tend to think they know best how to run things. This is true generally – look at the calls from all sides of the political spectrum at the moment for a new industrial strategy – but it is perhaps particularly true in the specific area of energy and climate, which is full of highly educated people who believe that their narrow specialisms, often painfully achieved, qualify them to predict the future accurately, and certainly often make them disdainful of people who question them.
We can be confident of one thing in assessing this dirigiste approach: that it will be highly economically inefficient. We can be sure that regulators will be captured, rents will be sought, and poor decisions will not only be taken but will be persisted with long after it is clear they are irrational. Moreover, we are investing in technologies which are certainly less efficient at producing energy than their predecessors and less reliable in delivering it when it’s needed, hoping that something will turn up to help out, and at the same time imposing, or promising, restrictions on lifestyle choices to deal with the consequences.
We all know the examples. In Britain we will soon be making people buy inferior and more expensive boiler technology and driving many out of the new car market if they aren’t prepared to take a punt on electric vehicles. House designs are increasingly constrained and indeed energy efficiency requirements are squeezing the whole housing market. Most egregiously, we are forcing investment in windmills, a technological breakthrough first mentioned when Henry II was on the throne, but less obviously suited to providing power on demand today, given that we have so far found no solution to the intermittency problem other than maintaining a back-up network of gas and coal-fired power stations. The battery storage technology does not exist, hydro storage can’t be developed on anything like the right scale, and hydrogen remains costly and unproven. Moreover, it is surely obvious that renewables plus back-up will be more expensive than just the back-up. Despite all these problems, many seem to believe that the solution to our problems is just to keep building windmills until we have ‘enough’.
In normal circumstances one might expect political parties advocating this vision of legal compulsion to adopt defective technology to be rapidly chucked out of office and replaced by those backing economic growth and higher living standards. That isn’t happening. That is in part because the intellectual climate has got highly collectivist. As we discovered from the Liz Truss interlude, there seems little real understanding of how a modern economy or a free market actually functions, indeed even of the concept of ‘growth’ as such. Hardly anyone thinks that desirable outcomes can be achieved by the market and almost everyone thinks that if the government is not doing something then it isn’t happening. The normal tendency of intellectuals to fail to understand economics has been reinforced, in Europe anyway, by the widespread belief that the purpose of policy making is to tame markets not liberate them, and by the view that the 2008 crash and bailouts was caused by free market capitalism rather than by bad regulation and poor central bank decision-making. There has been a general drift leftwards and of course the Left, including that substantial proportion of the Left which thinks it is on the Right, always like control and direction, an instinct which explains why they liked lockdown so much and which they find conveniently reinforced in Net Zero.
But there is another reason why normal political mechanisms aren’t working. It’s that governments are now claiming, with a straight face, that Net Zero policies are actually good for the economy. That is a relatively recent development. Let me refer again to the 2003 Energy Review. This suggested that dealing with climate change – on a much less demanding target of 60% reduction by 2050 – would cost up to 2% of GDP. That may have been an implausibly low figure, but it is at least a cost. By this year, in its March response to the Skidmore energy review, we find the Government saying “Net Zero is the growth opportunity of the 21st century and could offer major economic opportunities to the U.K.”. The Skidmore review itself said “In some estimates, the U.K. would see approximately 2% additional growth in GDP, through the benefits from new jobs, increased economic activity, reduced fossil fuel imports and cost savings (for example cheaper household bills).” That 2% figure goes back to just one rather thin report, dating from 2020, produced by Cambridge Econometrics, which claims extra growth of 2-3% by 2050 if the sixth carbon budget and its successors are fully implemented. It’s hardly comprehensive or robust.
In truth this whole area is riddled with economic fallacies. Not just the Cambridge Econometrics report, but report after report, comment after comment, makes the same mistakes. Let’s just single out a few.
● We see Bastiat’s famous broken windows fallacy, as expounded in his essay ‘Ce qu’on voit et ce qu’on ne voit pas’, the view that capital destruction is actually good for the economy because of all the work generated in repairing it, rather than seeing that such activity does not increase the net stock of wealth and does not take into account the opportunity cost, that is how the resources could have been used on something more productive. In our case, much Net Zero investment simply replaces existing capital. It doesn’t improve it, and indeed arguably what we are left with is worse than what we have before, leaving us with an energy sector that is less productive and less useful than the one we had at the start. How does that make us a more productive economy?
● We see the persistent temptation to count benefits but not the costs. The Cambridge Econometrics report explicitly says that its modelling is based on the assumption that taxes will go up to fund the extra public investment required, which they claim is only 1% of GDP, though it is almost certainly a lot more – I come on to that. Will this not affect economic growth? Won’t the rickety renewable-heavy grid, or investment by private firms in the private generators they will need to ensure security of supply, or the general effect on the business environment, also affect growth?
● We see optimism bias. As Dieter Helm (again) wrote last month, “It is not good enough to simply assume that the costs for all the ‘good’ stuff will just follow a sharp line downwards, whilst fossil-fuel prices will remain volatile and ever higher.” Optimism bias is a particular feature of judgements about the direct costs of the transition to Net Zero, as opposed to the economic effect. Cambridge Econometrics say this will be 1% of GDP annually. Skidmore says 1-2% of GDP. Independent studies suggest it is going to be about three times that – well above any conceivable cost of adaptation to increasing temperatures.
● We see illusory certainty and misplaced confidence in prediction. Part of the justification for Cambridge Econometrics’ 2-3% extra growth figure is a belief that electricity prices will be lower by 2050. Good luck with that. The growth figure itself could of course be expressed alternatively as additional growth of 0.06% to 0.1% growth in each of the 30 years from 2020. That is essentially a rounding error. Nobody can make predictions of such precision and I say that such a prediction is not meaningful.
● We see the view that resources are always available. Cambridge Econometrics base their growth figure in part on an assumption that there are unemployed resources which can be mobilised by public investment. In this world there is lots of capital waiting to be used, we always have enough workers, there are no timing complexities or linkages that must be properly sequenced, foreigners are always willing to fund the U.K., and U.K. consumers are always happy to save instead of consume. Massive projects such as insulating every home in the U.K. or doubling the capacity of the electricity grid can be undertaken without any resource constraints or effects in the wider economy. That is not a realistic depiction of the world we live in.
● And finally we see all the general fallacies always associated with industrial policy: that individual businesses’ prospects are the same as the economy’s prospects, that certain kinds of industry have accurately predictable spin-off effects on the wider economy and are therefore worth supporting with public money, that the overall prosperity of the country can be increased by pumping public money into industries in depressed parts of the country, that successful technologies can be reliably predicted ex ante, or – perhaps the most widely cited of all – that the large numbers of jobs created in green industries are a benefit to the economy rather than what they are, a cost of investing in technology that is less good than its predecessors.
It seems to me quite implausible, given this litany of fallacies and economic solecisms, that the current Net Zero programme is going to boost growth. Quite the opposite. Much of this investment will turn out to be wasted. To the extent it is not, it will deliver us a system of energy production, distribution, and consumption which is higher cost, lower output, less robust and less efficient, and indeed is already doing so. This will have effects that are entirely predictable and already visible. We are seeing supply disruption in parts of the US as strains on the grid grow. In Britain we are seeing lower productivity across the economy and disinvestment in relatively energy intensive industries. That is exactly what you would expect to see. It is for the Net Zero proponents to prove, not just say, that the basic principles of economics will be different in future. I don’t think they can.
Now it is important not to overstate the consequences and become catastrophists like some Net Zero advocates. The Net Zero plans are a significant drag anchor on the economy not a crisis. Market economies are highly flexible things, as we’ve learned in recent years. Europe has generally responded much better to last year’s energy crisis than many thought possible, though we also got lucky with a relatively warm winter. Even the much more extreme cases of sanctions against Qatar a few years ago, or against Russia this year, have in fact, after a period of adjustment, had remarkably little effect on the economies concerned. The South African economy too copes, somehow, with a seriously problematic energy sector. But, as that last example shows, the drag anchor does really matter and does make a difference. It matters especially if only certain countries, that is the West, are imposing it on themselves, and especially if the foreseeable measures seem likely to get tougher not softer.
Governments are pursuing contradictory objectives and beginning to get cold feet
I actually sense our own Government is beginning to realise that the economics are more doubtful than the Net Zero proponents argue. If, as some commentators say, our Prime Minister is beginning to get worried by the costs of Net Zero, we can only welcome that. There is evidently some debate within Government on the balance between security of supply, price, and decarbonisation. As the Climate Change Committee points out, U.K. Government policy is already not consistent with the declared policy of decarbonising the energy grid by 2035. I quote Dieter Helm for the last time: he comments: “There’s very little chance that the 2035 target will be met, and no chance on current policies.” So we must welcome the Government’s seeming willingness to push gently against the Net Zero ideology, – for example, with the proposed Cumbrian coal mine, the opening of new areas for exploration in the North Sea, and the renewed push behind nuclear – though of course in all these areas wider policy, for example on taxing the energy sector, has to be made properly consistent with that too.
We can also see it in the incipient questioning of Net Zero measures across Europe. The EU is getting cold feet about abolishing the internal combustion engine. Here in the U.K., the politics of heat pumps and electrification are beginning to make themselves felt. Ipsos Mori polling from last year shows that support for most specific Net Zero measures is falling. The most strongly supported measures are those which most people probably believe would not affect them – changes in pension fund investment rules and frequent flyer levies – while support for phasing out gas boilers has halved and support for EV subsidies is now only slightly positive.
Yet there remains a long way to go. The atmosphere of groupthink is extremely strong. Public opinion leans heavily one way, with huge majorities in favour in principle of Net Zero, and is easily maintained like that because of the practical limitations on free debate. The Net Zero opinion is a high status opinion, the crunch point is a long way off, and no doubt many people also think “all these clever people can’t be totally wrong.” Many even on the right of British politics, supposed advocates of free markets and of economic rationality, seem reluctant to think hard about Net zero. Overall there seems to be an active determination across politicians and opinion formers not to look too closely at the issues. That is worrying. As the great Alfred Sherman said, ““You can wake a man who’s asleep, but you can’t wake a man who’s pretending to be asleep.”
In fact, my sense is that members of Western governments actively prefer to live in complete cognitive dissonance rather than confront what they know in their hearts, that they are pursuing unfeasible and internally contradictory policies. To summarise the situation:
● Governments are pushing a set of economic policies which they say are essential to save the planet
● Yet even so those policies are not consistent with the declared goal and not tough enough to achieve it
● Nevertheless, those policies foreseeably make the economy worse
● Yet governments tell their voters the policies are good for them
● But nevertheless impose them by compulsion rather than allowing free choice
● And sustain and support a political debate in which it is very difficult for anyone, including themselves, to explore alternatives.
A crunch point is coming.
I do not think this can be sustained indefinitely. Unless we are rescued by an unforeseen technological bonus, something, at some point, will crack.
There seem to me to be two possible directions of travel. The first possibility is that resistance to Net Zero measures grows and governments respond to that, by abandoning or (more likely) delaying the goal, or by going about it in an economically more rational way, as I set out earlier – though this will of course make the costs even more visible and obvious. This could happen as doubts about the nature of the ‘crisis’ grow, and as voters in the West get frustrated by the persistent slow growth and increasing restrictions on their lifestyle while the rest of the world carries on as normal. The Dutch Farmers’ Party’s success is a straw in the wind here, but to make any real impact mainstream political parties here and across Europe need to pick up the issue, and it would require a persistent minority to push hard to change the debate. This is not impossible – we saw it in the U.S. and U.K. on lockdown policy during the pandemic. But at the moment the political conditions seem a long way from allowing this to happen.
The second possibility is one in which governments recognise they can no longer credibly sustain an economic justification for their measures, but the wider politics and the reluctance to admit error mean they cannot abandon the target and must try to reach it. At that point we should expect to see a ramping up of the catastrophic risk rhetoric in order to justify much tougher measures, the diversion of perhaps 5% of GDP annually, maybe more, and together with assertive measures to control consumption and demand. My worry is that the broader climate of economic and political debate tends to lead us in this direction. The huge focus on lifestyle change to save the planet, the politicisation of everyday lifestyle choices, the emphasis on living local and sustainability rather than being a burden on the earth, and the focus on reducing energy consumption rather than seeing cheap and abundant energy for what it is, a necessity to improve human lives: all this prepares the ground. Worse, policy during the pandemic showed how difficult it was for most governments to escape the climate of opinion they had created, to admit to errors, and to change course. All this is seriously alarming. If we don’t resist this miserabilist approach now, the approach that ends with lifestyle restrictions and rationing, we will risk seriously damaging levels of economic irrationality in the next decade. That outcome would risk us not just going dark through power supply shortages but could set the West seriously on the back foot in the geopolitical competition of the coming years.
We need to be ready for that moment and prepare to argue for a more rational path with a rethink of methods and, almost uncertainly, timetable
The job of those who are willing to question the rush to Net Zero is to see this crunch moment coming and to start to get the politics ready. We must show that pushing for Net Zero on the current timetable and with current methods involves unacceptable costs to the economy and to individuals. We must persistently question the view that voters must just live with those costs and adjust their lifestyles as a result. That doesn’t involve claiming that Net Zero, or something close to it, is an undesirable goal: carbon reduction is worth doing. It involves explaining that we have chosen a method which ensures vast waste, inefficiency, cronyism, and economic decline, the costs of which will be borne by the average voter. Accordingly, we need a rethink of the methods and, almost certainly, the timetable. And we must do this in ways which can be easily communicated and resonate with public opinion.
I suggest the following areas.
● First, we should keep underlining that there is not just a problem, there is a solution. That is gas to nuclear, backed with investment in fundamental research, and taking advantage of technological advances. This doesn’t require massive reinvestment in new energy production of doubtful value. The Government can stop guessing about future winners and support investment in technologies which exist now and offer the best, fastest, and most reliable way of getting emissions down quickly.
● Second, we may therefore need to be more dismissive of current renewable technology as an unnecessary complication. We need to find a much clearer way of explaining why renewables are inherently more expensive than the other options and communicating the obvious point that if you need renewables plus backup, why not just have the backup and avoid all other problems?
● Third, we must keep underlining the costs to the average voter – the mounting totals of renewables subsidies, both on bills and in tax, the extra costs of poor quality boilers and electric cars, the impact of compulsory insulation and energy efficiency, and much more. Moreover we can point out that, even at this level, we are off track to deliver Net Zero. All the pain is not even delivering the goal.
● Fourth, point out who is benefiting: the wealthy who can afford dubious carbon offsets, the green energy companies that are raking off taxpayer subsidies, and many more. They’re getting the benefits and meanwhile small businesses that produce useful products are being crushed by the burdens.
● Fifth, point to lockdown. In 2020 the banning of most human contact and travel resulted in a fall in U.K. emissions of just 9%. Imagine what it would take to get that figure down significantly further. Are people prepared to live with very much tougher restrictions on their lives for ever?
● And finally, be positive. We have allowed Net Zero advocates to become associated with positivity, with the clean green future, when in fact what they offer is a future of rationing, of restrictions, and of miserabilism. We need to keep underlining that we believe in the future, it is we who have a solution for the problem of cost-effective energy at scale, and it is we who believe human ingenuity will solve the climate change issue in a way that makes us all better off.
To conclude. We aren’t dark yet, but we do risk getting there. At the moment we are heading in the wrong direction. We are hamstringing ourselves, making our people poorer, reducing opportunity, and as a result limiting our economic, political, foreign policy, and defence capacity – our ability to get what we want in the world and make ourselves richer. But at the same time there are the first signs of consumer resistance to the practical consequences of the Net Zero ideology. A crunch is coming. We must do everything we can to change the debate and be ready for the moment when we can hope to push things in a different direction. The future of our societies rests on it.
Stop Press: Bob Ward, the veteran opponent of climate contrarianism, has done his best to rebut Lord Frost’s argument with his usual intellectual acuity.
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It isn’t difficult to see that the whole contrivance isn’t a rational response to the 1992 summit. It is simply a blueprint for maximising the financial gain that could be predicated on a very particular view of the trajectory of the climate. It is easy to see how particular these views are given that we were persuaded that an ice age was imminent not long ago and then all of a sudden we have to worry about becoming a hot and barren desert. This whole thing is baby stuff if you simply look at a few antecedent events in terms of the development of this narrative. You don’t even have to agree or disagree with the anthropogenic climate change narrative to see that this is just one big schtick.
Do you really think that if we were in a war or a life and death situation that anyone would care about the wattage of their lightbulbs? No they wouldn’t, nothing would be further from their minds. If you want to envisage the future then you need to consider all of it. Energy consideratios will not be a top priority. The whole economic order would’ve been upturned. I would invest your intellectual energy more wisely.
Do you need further proof that we’ve been led up the garden path and our governments and ‘TPTB’ want us harmed/infertile/dead? Good, lawyer Aaron Siri has you covered;
”When the Covid-19 vaccines rolled out, public health officials took great pains to downplay how the vaccines spread from the injection site. Articles with language like this were common: “Most of the mRNA vaccine stayed in the injection site muscle—where you get the shot.”
We now know the truth. The lipid nanoparticles, or LNPs, travel widely throughout the body. These LNPs carry the Frankenstein mRNA that causes the cells to produce spike proteins.
We initially got tissue biodistribution data from Japan which showed that significant lipid concentrations were found in the adrenal glands, bone marrow, liver, ovaries, spleen (and more) for at least 48 hours after injection.
And from the lawsuit that we brought against the FDA demanding the release of the Pfizer documents, we now know that this same data was also provided to the FDA. What is really troubling, however, is that this document was dated November 9, 2020—meaning, prior to any Emergency Use Authorization or public use of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine.
Having LNPs release their cargo into the cells of critical organs is very concerning. This is because many scientists will tell you that the spike protein produces an immune response, including inflammation. It is one thing to have inflammation in one’s bicep, but it is quite another to have it in your heart muscle, liver, ovaries, etc.”
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/a-pfizer-document-the-fda-tried-to
Combine that with the bombshell that mRNA has been found in a person 2 years post-jab and you can see that what people were told at the outset was just one massive pack of lies in order to get as many of these things into as many arms as possible. *They knew*.
https://twitter.com/Fynnderella1/status/1661702016819757058
( ”Immunzellen” = immune cells )
If above link to Twitter doesn’t work.
https://twitter.com/AnwaltUlbrich/status/1661458954675712003
Lord Frost’s arguments are all well and good, but they assume the climate fanatics are open to rational dialogue. They are not. We are dealing with a religion, a cult, the followers of which are not interested in, or not willing to embrace, real science or reason.
What exactly are we trying to say here – is it a critique of the world we live in? It is indeed horrible and corrupt and captured but we seem to be rather sterile in terms of coming up with alternative visions. This tells us something. That is it is something in the fundaments that went wrong a while ago. The real moral duty is to uncover the rot and then to restore things to balance.
Find out what it is. Even in such cold rational times no adversary can withstand an attack upon its spirit.
Is it not possible to appeal to the British in such a time to stop being so cowardly and selfish. Maybe not maybe the rot goes too deep but I want to ask the question and I know that some British people are capable of this. Just less hostility to outsiders and a bit less concern about money. From that point we can become a country again.
If Covid-19 came about because a bat kissed a pangolin down the fish market, how come Covid-19 test kits were being imported all over the world in 2017? Either somebody has clairvoyant super powers or…
https://web.archive.org/web/20200905210427if_/https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/ALL/year/2017/tradeflow/Imports/partner/WLD/nomen/h5/product/300215
Honestly in a months time we will be looking back on these concerns as if they meant nothing. Just keep your mind open the world is about to change significantly. I say that to my fellow Britishers because they assumed that things will just carry on forever. I am just trying to say to people that they should not feel anxious or surprised.
Yes mostly good stuff but you could do a lot better by not using absurd and meaningless phrases like “handling the challenges of climate change”.
Otherwise you’re simply strolling up to the tent, necking the welcome glass of crap fizz and stepping directly into their clown party.
Here’s the good old Mr.Coast nailing it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kD9KG-j7C0M&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Overall I am disappointed with Lord Frost’s speech. Firstly it is word heavy and content lite. What is most disappointing is that he very much accepts that carbon and I assume he means carbon dioxide also, is a problem which needs to be dealt with when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
Then we have an acceptance that climate change is a problem. Rather than categorically denounce this for the nonsense that it is he takes it as proven fact.
Not the least of his clangers is the assertion that we are governed by “clever people,” when we clearly and most assuredly are not. A very generous assessment of those at the head of government would be that they think they are clever when the actualité is that they are at a very generous best the intelligent stupid. To compound this clanger he also appears to believe that the current executive are actually running the country.
Conceding on carbon / Co2 and aggregating the two also suggests a not altogether clear understanding of the subject.
The only way to deal with the Net Zero nonsense is to go on the attack. It is essential that the corrupted $cience is denounced at every opportunity and real science presented to replace the eco lunacy. Sadly, at this time there is little by way of a united front calling out the Green blob while the fanatics of Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion are clearly well funded by the likes of Soros and the Rockefellers.
Overall a disappointing effort from a man l have tended to respect these last few years.
Agree completely. Another “intelligent” person fallen in to the trap of accepting the ‘premise’ and arguing from that point. Whereas, the whole foundation is actually nonsense.
Thank you.
Back we come again to good and evil. Freedom and compulsion. Liberty and authoritarian force.
If you believe that the climate is suffering due to CO2, install a heat pump. Buy an EV, without any subsidies. Power your life with windmills and solar panels. Disavow all fossil fuel-derived products.
But you won’t, because you’re a lazy hypocrite. The same with poverty or inequality or anything else the pious leftists worship. Instead they want the state to force everyone else to do something at some point in the future so they don’t have to make any personal sacrifices now, just so they can feel good about themselves.
Now that’s a pondering tome!
Go f yourself, or make politics likable!
Gorgeous melonni
Excellent summary.
Fully agree, apart from the slight emphasis on anthropogenic climate change. But maybe he has done that for political reasons?
Lord Frost for prime minister…?
The case against Net Zero is well made, but perhaps the problem of public irrational belief in the policy, and the cognitive dissonance among politicians, would be undermined by a sensible presentation of the relative contributions to climate change of all the factors that might cause it, including volcanic eruptions, El Niño, changes in the Earth’s magnetic field, deforestation, river diversion or canalisation, even sunspot activity. If emissions can be shown clearly to be but a minor contributor to overall change people might be persuaded to stop obsessing about them.
“In the annual Global Warming Policy Foundation lecture, Lord Frost warns that the Government’s goal of achieving Net Zero by 2050 will involve vast waste, inefficiency, cronyism and economic decline.”
yes, any level headed human being already knows this! So ,what do we do about it?
Frost like all politicians is an empty vessel. Vote Reform UK and shake the establishment.
Deflection. Is that the term? The GWPF gives the appearance of challenging the stupidity of de-carbonisation, but then says things like climate change is a real problem and humanity’s co2 is the cause.
a Trojan Horse, in other words.
I wrote to them years ago asking them to write a simple article in layman’s language explaining that co 2 follows temperature so cannot possibly drive dangerous warming, even if there was such a thing. Four glaciations in the last half a million years bottomed around 180 ppm co2 and topped around 280ppm. Here we are above 400ppm and temps are flatlining. I gave links to Happer, Wijngaarden, Lindzen, Richet et al.
Nope. Not a peep.
Well said; we’ll done.
Excellent comment.
How can you attempt to make an authoritative contribution to the climate debate and not mention the Chinese attitude towards CO2 production and minerals use? (Just put to one side for a moment that the whole premise is nonsense.) China effects dwarf Western minor meddling. BRICS is looking at the West and laughing – not only destroying its economies, but society and quality of life in its entirety. And this is all going to happen in one generation. What are we passing onto our children?
Lord Frost is correct that Net Zero is totally impossible to implement successfully in the manner our politicians are going about it. However it is disappointing that, even as a layman, he is unable or unwilling to challenge the premise that man-made CO2 emissions are going to lead to global thermageddon.
His statements “So: it seems to me that the physics of the greenhouse effect is extremely well established” and “Overall I take it as a desirable goal to reduce the amount of carbon [sic] we emit” are rather pathetic.
It should be obvious to anyone who has studied what has been going on for the last thirty or so years that alleged man-made global warming is a pseudo-scientific hoax. It is only sustained because billions of dollars are being used to pump out supportive propaganda and censor contrary views. Try searching for “Global Warming Policy Foundation” on the BBC News website and precious little come up, certainly not Lord Frost’s lecture.
It’s a shame that Lord Frost doesn’t join the dots to link the long-running climate change hoax to the quick-fire Coronavirus hoax inflicted on us over the last three years, in which the globalist “elite” showed their true colours. The simplest common factor is that both hoaxes have been based on grossly exaggerated computer modelling.
It is clear to me that both of these hoaxes have a nefarious ulterior motive. A clue lies in the pronouncement 30 years ago by Club of Rome that “The real enemy is humanity itself”.
We should make this a quiz. Who said, “If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
Phil
Correct.
Absolutely top class. Nailed it, particularly the Club of Rome link which I have referenced more than once.
https://www.technocracy.news/the-club-of-rome-climate-hysteria-and-global-governance/
A must read article which I posted BTL two days ago and a short film embedded within in which the Club of Rome founders discuss the state of the world 50 years hence. The film was recorded in 1973.
Wow———Very extensive article. We do indeed see this Green Collectivist agenda being adopted mainly in the wealthy west (except by Trump, who withdrew from the Paris Agreement). But why are they all indulging in this? To understand that you need to go back to where it all started. The Socialist think Tank “Club of Rome” and it’s “Limits to Growth” report. Maurice Strong and the setting up of the Global Environmental Movement. The setting up of the UN’s IPCC in 1988 etc etc. The Kyoto protocol, via Copenhagen to the Paris Agreement. The top down “official science” used as the excuse for the control of the world’s wealth and resources, with the wealthiest countries signing up to reduce their CO2 emissions (and therefore fossil fuel use) because fossil fuels are a finite resource in the ground and the wealthy west is seen as having used up more than its fair share of them in becoming prosperous. Countries like the UK, who always seem to have this need to save the planet harder and faster than any other, started to force themselves in law to reduce emissions with the Climate Change Act (2008 Miliband) which stated emissions would be reduced to 80% of 1990 levels and then strengthened to 100% with the NET ZERO amendment in 2019. This amendment was simply waved through with not a single question asked as to cost/ benefit. How can it be possible for rational human beings who are claimed in this article to be “very clever people”, to enter into something that will cost trillions but with no idea how or when it could be achieved and no idea whether the technologies needed can even be invented? ———-There is only one answer to that. Ideology is trumping common sense.—— There is virtually no Green technology that is better or more efficient and cheaper than the technologies the ideologues want to get rid of. The excuse used for all of this absurdity is “Climate Change”. United Nations and WEF bureaucrats stand at podiums pronouncing all manner of evidence free predictions as to future climate which depend entirely on the output from speculative models full of assumptions, where many of the basic parameters of climate are either not included or are unknown and they do it all with a straight face as if they are declaring ultimate truth. When you hear this kind of thing you realise the solutions they want are more important than any convictions they might have about the alleged problem. Those solutions involve total control of all the worlds economy (nothing less). So, is it really about the climate or is it a politically convenient excuse to pursue particular policies? We see not surprisingly more stringent climate controls demanded from those on the left who favour central planning of the whole world. Climate Change then is the “Official Science” used by the left who have identified “victims” which are “our children and grandchildren” and they are to be protected by the planet saving government (of the whole world) from the evil polluting capitalists who are exploiting them.——-But as someone once pointed out. “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it”.
It is a shame that Lord Frost did not have you as his speech writer.
Wow.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/10/27/seizing-everything-the-theft-of-the-global-commons-part-1/
If you have not seen / read this excellent work from Iain Davis you will be in for an eye-opener. Part 2 also available.
Thanks….will have a wee look.
It is of course in truth a racket, solely about someone else now getting the money and power.
But the UK and Germany also seem to have embraced it most fervently to manage and offset the presumption of historic guilt they have been brainwashed into.
And that management is then selfishly celebrated as a virtue and huge achievement in and by itself.
Hence the difficulty of breaking any related mindset and policies.
The crunch point is already here. Net Zero policies have already damaged productivity, investment and growth.
https://davidturver.substack.com/p/net-zero-policies-damage-growth
It’s beholden on everyone to resist the Net Zero lunacy to the maximum they can:
https://amgreatness.com/2023/05/23/the-corruption-of-climate-science/
“We need to criticize the people who got us here,” says Alex Epstein, founder of the Center for Industrial Progress and author of Fossil Future. “We can’t keep treating these designated experts as real experts. They are not real experts, they are destroyers. They are anti-energy, non-experts. And that needs to be made clear.”
The only people who think renewables are capable of replacing conventional energy are either uninformed, innumerate, or corrupt. Period.
Rather a soft approach to Government policies that introduce command and control directives, stunning curtailing of our freedoms, choices and impoverishment. GWPF (Kelly) have already called out the cost to the UK for implementing these useless policies to be around £3 Trillion, and for the US, £50Trillion.
It will indeed be miserable, a dystopian nightmare for our children. Gentlemen, start your engines, fight this insanity anyway you can, every day, now.
I am delighted that Lord Frost is on our side, but I agree with “many in the audience”. It is vital for sceptics to stress that there is considerable doubt about the facts of climate science.
We are up against a particular kind of bad science, “postnormal” science, which is also rampant in epidemiology. Its hallmark is that it treats factual reasoning as a department of practical reasoning. Its practitioners are activists who select and normalise data and choose which statistical procedures to apply in the spirit of human rights lawyers deciding which principle is operative in a particular case. Public health or freedom of worship? The mean, the median or the mode? Whatever suits the purpose, whatever achieves predetermined ends.
As Net Zero begins to bite, debate about climate policy can only intensify, and if that debate is purely about what action to take, activist scientists will win. It is most important that it should also be about the facts of the matter.
Lord Frost should know that economics is warfare of a different kind. The west seems to have decided by climate based restrictions to destroy its main weapon in this battle, its source of energy. While China, India, Russia and many other countries have growth much more than us, they have no concerns about climate and continue using fossil fuels to grow their industries and generate growth for their countries. Our growth if we continue on the crazy net-zero agenda will be much less than Lord Frost predicts, and will be even worse when compared to countries who have not implemented it. It needs to be said by real scientists not funded by the organisations that benefit from net-zero, that CO2 is not a pollutant, but is essential for life. Our industrial age has increased the CO2 in our atmosphere by about 0.02% and that small increase has helped to encourage better crop growth, particularly in areas subject to drought. The total effect of all the west’s intended reductions in CO2 output, even if they achieve nett-zero, would have no significant effect on climate. There is no data that proves CO2 has a significant effect on global warming, and so far every model that seems to demonstrate climate disaster has been proven wrong. I don’t know why our politicians are said to be clever or even intelligent when they insist on pursuing crazy net-zero policies which will cripple our economy, make all but the very rich poorer, and downgrade our lifestyle.