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Britain’s Descent Into Authoritarianism

by Guy de la Bédoyère
4 March 2023 2:00 PM

Quamquam animus meminisse horret – Although my mind shudders to remember. So says Aeneas in Book 2 of Virgil’s Aeneid when he embarks on telling Dido the terrible story of the fall of Troy.

And that’s exactly how I feel every time I think back to the dark days of 2020 and 2021. Not because of the virus but the dizzying and reckless speed with which this country plunged into authoritarianism.

The revelations of Hancockgate are all over the news and on this website. There’s no need for me to recount them here. Toby has already pointed out it was the usual political clown show. No doubt there are plenty more revelations to come.

One of the common threads filtering through now though is the disgust with which the government presided over the creation of a totalitarian state. Rod Liddle is one, with his ‘Unmasking the truth about Covid’ telling us:

It was the authoritarian mindset which demanded that countervailing opinions should not even be heard and that the people voicing them should be silenced as ‘Covid deniers’. This totalitarianism was quite explicit, such as when the BBC ran a debate on herd immunity and agreed with one of the participants – [Susan] Michie, natch – that it should not be ‘even-handed’. As she said: “I’d got prior agreement from R[adio] 4 about the framing of the item. I was assured that this would not be held as an even-handed debate.”

Like Mr. Liddle, I used to work for BBC Radio News. I was proud of that job several decades ago. Not anymore: I was assured this would not be held as an even-handed debate – and said with pride and pleasure!

It’s amazing how many are emerging from the woodwork to join in the frenzy of condemnation. Some, of course, were indeed already looking on in horror. Among them were writers for this site. On May 11th 2020 I published ‘Britain’s Covid Reich’, shaken with horror at what was happening. I take no pleasure from the knowledge now that I and other have finally been vindicated. I wish more than I could say that it had never happened.

What I tried to point out back then was the totalitarian states aren’t usually deliberately created. They’re the result of the shambles that characterise most political systems, but usually only when they’re confronted with a crisis. I’ve quoted the Gene Kranz character in the movie Apollo 13 when he says: “Let’s work the problem, people. Let’s not make things worse by guessing.” (see ‘Climbing out of the Lobster Pot’). But then he was dealing with a spacecraft for which there were manuals and hundreds of specialists and engineers who had only a few days to come up with a solution.

What NASA pulled off was a magnificent achievement, but Covid was a wholly different class of problem – and whatever passed for manuals were singularly lacking in straightforward solutions. Guesswork was the order of the day, however it was dressed up, and it made things worse.

Covid was a crisis alright. It’s disingenuous to suggest critics would have necessarily done a better job. There’s no way a democratic system can ensure that the people in power are the people who ought to be in power, or that the people voted into power will be the right people to deal with the circumstances that materialise in the months or years after the election.

I am therefore not a believer in conspiracies. No-one standing for election in 2019 was planning to throw together a totalitarian state at the first opportunity. Nor were they expecting a pandemic. And when it hit, all our Government and any other government could do was a) panic and b) trigger whatever cack-handed Schlieffen-style plan it had in the filing cabinet, and then c) make up some new ones. Except it was already too late.

Caught with their pants down, and in some cases that turned out to be literally true, the Government and its flotsam and jetsam gaggles of advisors dived into the fray, desperate to be seen to be doing something or anything, and created a new type of revolution: Britain would become a state dedicated to a war on Covid. There was a behind-the-scenes frenzy, some of it well intentioned, but in amongst the floundering and the guessing it was a gift to control freaks and those who spotted an opportunity to promote themselves and others who saw they could make a huge amount of money.

One makes the revolution to establish the dictatorship.

George Orwell, 1984

To some extent the frenzy and panic was understandable to begin with. No-one knew what the hell was going on. What was unforgiveable was not considering the consequences of the extreme actions being instituted and the risk that they would make things worse, or not caring because the attractions of power were too great. Even if lockdowns and masks had worked, the economic and social consequences were going to be devastating. That was one thing even the Imperial College crystal ball gazers got right.

The result was almost inevitable. Remorselessly, and seemingly almost unconsciously to begin with, our government and many others resorted to terrorizing the public and imposing a litany of haphazard, often contradictory, and largely ineffectual rules. These masqueraded as a solution to the crisis. But of course, some or even many were largely, and could only ever have been, a charade and a mirage. That’s what totalitarian states are: a vast con.

Alongside came the suppression of debate, the deliberate crushing of any dissent. “So long as [the masses] are not permitted to have standards of comparison, they never even become aware that they are oppressed.” (Orwell, 1984 again).

It ought to have been obvious within weeks and certainly months that an airborne virus had been lost control of from before anyone even realised it was there. But that didn’t matter. The rules had been invented, and new laws rushed through. A terrorized public had been led into believing the rules would save them.

And that’s where the second essential ingredient for an authoritarian state to develop of its own accord comes in: public compliance combined with active complicity. Like an accelerating snowball, the hysteria and the Government’s measures grew larger and larger and more out of control. The public egged the Government on, and the Government invested more and more of its effort and energy into the Covid laws.

As we now see, they deliberately and directly drew the police into enforcing those measures as part of the sleight of hand. They were helped by useful idiots in the BBC (with a few heroic exceptions) who didn’t waste a moment to join in the fun by featuring as much Covid death porn as possible and questioned nothing about the Government’s line.

Government and scientists alike delighted in the discovery that making most of the British public believe anything they were told, and meekly obeying, was the easiest thing in the world by copying China.

We soon reached the incredible situation where some police officers could forget the reason they originally were employed. Instead, they went out and about accosting and fining women harmlessly having a coffee out of doors or used drones to spot dogwalkers. This reached its horrifying and perverse climax in the case of Sarah Everard when a single deviant policeman was able to exploit the Covid laws and abduct and kill her, only for other police officers to follow that up by arresting and fining those who had the temerity to join in a public protest about her horrific fate (despite there being zero evidence to suggest open air transmission of Covid had any significant effect).

And plenty of freedom-loving Brits egged the police on, some jubilantly twitching their curtains and snitching on their neighbours. It would have been impossible without them, just as the Stasi’s job would have been impossible too.

The link with the virus had long since been lost. As Carl Heneghan has pointed out, the data behind the second lockdown was fatally flawed. It didn’t matter; his warnings were ignored. The government went ahead anyway. The rules and enforcing them had become an end in themselves without their protagonists or even many of the public apparently even realising. Hancock’s messages reveal a chaotic world of squabbling over policies, scoring points over one another, dodging spats with Nicola Sturgeon (whose name I’d like to remind you is an anagram of Contagion Rules), and bragging about their successes.

This tumble into totalitarianism wasn’t as deliberate as it might seem, though sometimes it looks as if it was. But it does seem to be an outcome that emerges far too easily in a modern state confronted with a crisis and armed with the tools of technology that make authoritarianism all too easy to enforce. And once a state discovers it has that sort of power it soon becomes difficult, even impossible, to relinquish, and even more difficult not to ramp up and push the envelope to see how far it can go.

One thing I got wrong was suggesting that Boris Johnson had the power and ability to see the danger and pull back from the brink. If he did, he did nothing or far too little. 2020 saw the Government drifting out of control, and things only getting worse for much of 2021. The crisis had moved onto a stage where it was constantly being reinvented in order to revive the terror, a convenient way of helping save face and justify the appalling way in which our society had been turned upside down.

In the end, we were saved by the crisis abating of its own accord. Omicron played a large part in finally undermining the mayhem, along with the news from South Africa. People like Susan Michie who had decided among other plans to save us from ourselves that we should wear masks forever, found their momentum fading away. And of course there was Sweden, whose far-sighted policies exposed an unpalatable truth to the UK Government and those of the devolved nations: that many of the measures, and certainly the laws, might very well have made no difference to the outcome.

Of course, no-one can prove it either way now. So much for science in such circumstances. As I have mentioned on this site before, “disappoint and opposition inflame the minds of men and attach them still more to their mistakes” (Alexander Hamilton 1774). The face-saving insistence that we are where we are now is only because of the measures taken, the warnings heeded, and insidious and brutal laws passed, will be a long-lived trope until the careers of those involved have long since faded into the past.

Some of the measures might have worked in some way but since many people were already isolating themselves, we’ll never be able to unravel true cause and effect. It’s even the same for the vaccines. It’s not long ago that many of us were being urged to get a fourth jab, but now the whole subject seems to have disappeared. The under-50s can’t even get a Covid jab unless they are especially vulnerable. In any individual case it’s impossible to untangle cause and effect. I know numerous people who have been jabbed several times but had Covid two, three or even more times. And I know plenty of people like myself who have had the same jabs and never had Covid before the jabs or since. And I’ve lost track of the claims made about the jabs that turned out not to be true, such as how it would stop you catching Covid, or passing it to someone else.

Either way, we have pulled back from the brink. But it was a close-run thing and we’re not out of the woods. In the summer of 2020 and during 2021 this country came closer to the end of everything it was supposed to stand for and all in the name of a floundering Government playing God and trying to pretend that with an arsenal of laws and an army of enforcers, aided and abetted by much of the media and many of the public, we could justify sacrificing everything dear to us on the altar of one evil spirit.

Few of us have not suffered in some way. To the Covid deaths we gaily added the destruction of education, the denial of core development of infants, the systematic exploitation of some workers for the benefit of those with the money and property to loaf around at home, the miserable closing months in the lives of elderly people denied contact with friends and families and sometimes even their spouses, imprisoned in their care home cells, and the fragmentation of families denied the most basic of human relationships. And all the while the Government partied when it suited, and its members jockeyed for position, while masquerading as saviours. We will be paying for lockdown for decades, and some of us for life.

That’s how totalitarian states come into being: a tumbling, ramshackle, panicked and self-serving government out of its depth, egged on by a terrorized population. And now we have the WhatsApp messages to illustrate the shambles as it unfolded in real time. It’s a lesson to every one of us. We all have it within us to be complicit in such disasters. But we also have it within us to be vigilant and realise that it takes a great deal of work, awareness, and education to hold the hell of authoritarianism at bay. For that we can be thankful for Hancockgate.

Facilis descensus Averno – Easy is the descent into Hell (Virgil 6.126)

Tags: Boris JohnsonDictatorshipMatt HancockStasiTotalitarianismVirgil

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago

“Also applies to those under 18”.

Those dirty child abusing bastards.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

Boosters are coming soon. How will “fully vaccinated” then be defined? Will there ever be a time when everyone who wants to be is “fully vaccinated”?

Interesting measure from the well-known repressed, closet libertarian PM and his new, pragmatic, freedom-loving Health Secretary.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

never had the app and I never answer calls from unknown numbers – they are normally trying to sell me something

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I have an answerphone so I can monitor who phones me.

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Anyone relying on this not working because of logistics is (a) missing the point and (b) dreaming.

The apparatus driving all this is not going to throw the towel in because they have a system that at this moment has some holes in it. They are going to work out how to close the loop holes, how they can close of normal life to those who are bypassing the system and eventually, if we let them, everyone will be subjected to this totalitarian nightmare.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Correct. But the first and very impirtant step is refusing to participate in their lies by sabotaging everything, see Solchenitzyn.
At the same time, we need to rev up, go to the demos etc. too.

Last edited 4 years ago by JayBee
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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Micro chips will be on the agenda soon.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Yep, I’ve stopped answering any unrecognised numbers.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Same here. A few years ago, I had a lot of problems with unwanted traders making nuisance calls, and my landline is a Telephone Preference Service (TPS) as well. I never answer unknown calls; most of them do not leave messages. This is sometimes useful: https://who-called.co.uk/ There seem to be quite a few users.

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Andre
Andre
3 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Me too, I always check first on http://www.tellows.co.uk if there are any negative reports. Otherwise I may call back, because you never know if it is really someone important. In most cases it is just spam 🙁

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I have a landline – but no handset

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Marmalade
Marmalade
4 years ago

Easy to get round it, just don’t download the app if you haven’t been jabbed!

Even if they did somehow tell me to isolate, won’t do it and can’t do it anyway.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Marmalade

If some doctator’s apparatchik asks for your internal passport you can use this.

https://hack-and-trace.me/

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court
court
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I’m so glad it’s back. Hopefully hosted somewhere free now…

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court
court
4 years ago
Reply to  court

When I said free, I meant free of interference of course…

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

Disgusting, discriminatory and coercive policy.

A reminder to any rational person why it is unacceptable ever to vote for the “Conservative” Party (or the Labour Party) again, bar thorough purges and genuine apologies

This announcement should be read in conjunction with the article just posted:

.As Evidence Grows That Vaccines Do Not Protect Against Infection, the Case For Granting Privileges to the Vaccinated Collapses

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

If there was ever a good case for a legal challenge, this is it, precisely for the reasons you state.

Even if the vaccines stopped infection it would be grotesque, but the fact that there is no proof that they do and the vaccine companies themselves admit it in their prospectuses makes the discrimination even worse.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

He even admits it

And of course, anyone that tests positive will have to self-isolate whether they have had the jab or not.”

so people can still be infected after the jab, who knew?

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Billy Suggers
Billy Suggers
4 years ago

Simple way to self-exempt from self-isolation even if you’ve refused the jab….
don’t download the App. They’ll never find you.
I can’t understand why anyone with a functioning brain has the App.

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Prester John
Prester John
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy Suggers

Because they love and trust Big Brother the NHS, GC.

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago

Communism was only defeated after many decades. This will be a very long war.
Can also confirm that never downloaded the poxy app and never will.

Last edited 4 years ago by HeresJohnny
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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  HeresJohnny

A long war, ok.
The totalitarian bastards will lose.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  HeresJohnny

Communism hasn’t been defeated. It just moved from east to west.

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Red China are doing pretty well

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  HeresJohnny

Of course they might download it for you

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LaurenceEyton
LaurenceEyton
4 years ago

Agree with those who say don’t download the app. If there’s some reason why you did, you can still turn its location access off on your phone. App won’t work on my old iPhone 6 anyway. But really, is there anyone here who can explain why people download the app and let it run on their phones even though they dread being pinged (and the mess it makes of your life if you are)?

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  LaurenceEyton

Because they are infantile morons. I have not a shred of sympathy left for those people.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  LaurenceEyton

It’s bizarre, isn’t it? Probably a lof ot them are the same people who regularly upset their small children by testing them several times a week for a virus which won’t make them ill anyway.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  LaurenceEyton

i downloaded initially (with bluetooth switched off) out of the sort of curiosity you might get from seeing a train crash. looked at functionality and deleted

I even did Tim Spectors Zoe app until he came out against lockdown 3 for data reasons rather than because its fundamentally evil

I got some free lateral flow tests delivered. thought I’d test the cat or tapwater for fun. saw they were made in china. no way I’m doing that to my cat – straight in the bin

my wife came back from abroad and had to isolate for 10 days. she did isolate properly but still refused to answer the phone to the creepy spying bastards

I had 2 covid tests – one before a hospital operation, the other an LFT before being allowed into a company I was consulting for – they gave it to me and went off to make a coffee – needless to say it was negative! lol

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Agreed on the Zoe disappointment.

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covidiot
covidiot
4 years ago
Reply to  LaurenceEyton

Also, even if the app pings you telling you to self isolate, only you would know as it’s decentralised. You can just clear it’s cache (or uninstall) and the evidence is gone. Your problem will come if one of your idiot mates gets it and reports you as one of their contacts. At that point, blocking the t and t phone number will be helpful

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
4 years ago
Reply to  LaurenceEyton

They are Mongolians

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Since no-one is fully vaccinated, then we are all the same.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

Absolutely – me too ..

Screenshot 2021-07-06 at 15-16-50 Bob Moran on Twitter.png
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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

I love Bob

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

Bob Moran’s earned a lot of respect over the past 15 months.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

He has been probably one of, if not the, most relevant artists in the UK this year. Top man.

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Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
4 years ago

We need to directly flout this and push them to take it to court. I’ve already had the virus and I’ll put my naturally acquired immunity up against the flimsy vaccine acquired immunity any day of the week.

Seriously, the time to push back and not avoid this (by not having the app or whatever) is now. Otherwise it won’t be long before they put us in camps and start asking what the Final Solution to the Unvaccinated Question is.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago

Never had the app. I just tell people my phone is incompatible with track/trace, and then I give false info when they want to take my details. I resent living in a communist state.

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James Kreis
James Kreis
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

My only telephone is attached to the wall in the hall. Am I missing out?

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ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

Yes, unless you buy an extension lead…a long one. Personally, I wouldn’t bother.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Mr Old Maid and I have purchased cheap drug dealer/burner style payg mobile phones, and have invented complete backstories for our alter egos.

I suspect we have too much time on our hands …

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

haha I have one of those too. The burner phone I mean. I haven’t got. an alter ego yet. I’ll get to it.

Im going to be Sapphire de Winter, a glamorous divorcee with a penchant for yachts, diamonds and Russian oligarchs. Suffer from mysterious trauma that renders me unable to countenance a mask, and also unable to understand anyone wearing one. Pursued by the KGB or similar and therefore cannot leave my details for security reasons. Also allergic to PEG and multiple other vaccine ingredients. Just bring me a martini and stop with the tiresome questions.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

I think I spotted you behind a pyramid of Ferrero Rocher at the Ambassador’s Reception?

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Sapphire sounds v high maintenance!!

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

My iPhone was the first thing I got rid of at the start of this shit show, sensing that the nascent biosecurity state would require me to have one. Have been using a shitty Nokia which I absolutely hate as a piece of technology but I love taking it out and making confused face when prompted to report my whereabouts to Big Brother.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Well done to the both of you. Up to now I just give random names and numbers, but I want have a bit of fun making up pseudonyms…

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thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Mine is Randolph de Savory, star of multiple “Mills& Boon” novels. If the Covid Marshalls see anyone kissing a leggy sloane with “passion and disdain, turning her shapely legs to jelly”, that’s me!

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

I have so many alter egos I have lost track of who is doing what and where!!!

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Lol. A bit like a SAGE member then?

One nazi actually had the temerity to question how I spell my ‘name’. I briefly wondered whether I’d had too many aperols, and knew I wouldn’t be able to pull out the ‘real’ phone to check the spelling (the ‘burners’ being useless for getting online), so I did the only thing possible. I just laughed in her face.

I know I should have challenged her right to actually review the information, but my alter ego is a person who is completely on board with all this sh1t.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

What you should know if you’ve already had Covid and considering having the jab.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/athlete-who-recovered-covid-facing-very-different-future-after-second-dose-pfizer

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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago

So basically vaccine passports-light.
And the test and trace system therefore to continue wherever we go, so not actually freedom day, more like still going to track and trace you.
And are people actually going to continue with this rubbish every time they want to enter a building?
WTF is wrong with people in this country?
Hasn’t Jabbit noticed that 67% of people testing positive for the rona in Israel were double jabbed?
The gas lighting going on right now is f u c king EPIC.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

Freedom day SHOULD really mean zero restrictions thereafter i.e the way life used to be before March 2020 – not “same restrictions” but just applied in a different way. If people cannot see that that is not freedom then there is no help for us.

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago

Speaking only for myself, and as an adult, this affects me not at all, I don’t have the app and I’ve never been tested. We are told the QR Codes used by pubs etc are going on the 19th so who else would I ever be giving my nom de plume to?
A report suggested 30% of people who have been contacted don’t fully isolate already, and that’s if they contact you at all!!
If you have to be tested for work, that’s a different matter, but outside of that it seems the only adults who are likely to be contacted are the knob-heads who set themselves up for these things? And I suspect they are very much a minority.
The worse part is obviously the under 18’s, which means school will be a fiasco,…again…and it’s perhaps a nudge towards vaccination for the under 18’s?
The battle continues….

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

It could be your workplace, or a club you belong to, or anywhere you’ve booked in advance and given your phone number to, or a “friend” giving your number to T&T. I’d block the number the NHS use to call you on.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

“The Government will treat vaccinated and unvaccinated Brits differently on the matter of self-isolation after coming into contact with someone who has tested positive for Covid,”

But unvaccinated Brits are vanishingly unlikely to use Track and Trace so are vanishingly unlikely to be “pinged”.

I think this is just a “reward” for those who stepped forward to be vaccinated to avoid them kicking off at being treated exactly the same as the unvaccinated.

The real acid test will be about travel abroad. Will the unvaccinated be prevented from travelling in the longer term? Or have onerous conditions placed on us?

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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

“ Will the unvaccinated be prevented from travelling in the longer term? Or have onerous conditions placed on us?”

I think we know the answer to this question don’t we?

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

Everyone will be prevented from travelling, but the unvaxed MORE

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Will the unvaccinated be prevented from travelling in the longer term?

If the vaccine didn’t “wear off’ maybe not. But with a vaccine that needs annual boosters, for sure travel vaccine passports are here to stay.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Mrs Dent may not agree but I am happy to bide my time for a year or two to see what happens with vaccine passports for travel abroad.

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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

That’s my plan as well. If this sheite continues into 2024, I will sell up buy a boat and bring anyone who wants off this god forsaken island a trip to whatever island of sanity still stands.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

sign me up for that trip AYM please!

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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

The more the merrier!

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Less government
Less government
4 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

Sadly it’s looking that way- rather hoping one or two of the Scottish Isles will obtain sovereignty and eradicate this totalitarian insanity

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Yes and me, very much enjoying all the lovely places in England to go to. Though I see it as yet more coercion of the young who would wish to travel abroad.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Within 6 months, TSWHTF for the vaccinated. Very likely, THEY will then have to be tested all the time, not us.
If I am wrong, there might at least be the Valneva, aka a proper vaccine, available for us.

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Until a couple of years from now when a few million are predicted to die as result of the changes to the immune system caused by the jabs. After that, the only jabbing will hopefully be in the execution chambers of those responsible.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I think it is unworkable – largely because it is illegal, but it won’t stop other countries being difficult about letting us in and so that is where I see the biggest problem.

Not that it is going to be easy for others too: there’s a lot of vaccine diplomacy to be worked through. Who is going to recognise Sinovac? or the Indian version of AZ? or declare how long the duration of coverage for each vaccine will last? It’s ridiculously complicated for something that is basically everywhere, infecting anyone who has no immunity (and I include the vaccinated who have not had covid within that, as they are by no means immune unless it’s cross immunity from another coronavirus).

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

I agree. I think it will be dropped in the future as they realise the vaccines don’t stop you getting it or spreading it. they are only doing it now to increase uptake

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Things will be dropped or not dropped according to how popular/unpopular they are or whether they suit wider purposes, never for sensible reasons.

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Yes.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

“I think this is just a “reward” for those who stepped forward to be vaccinated to avoid them kicking off at being treated exactly the same as the unvaccinated.” Exactly. As always, politics dressed as public health. They need to keep the jabbees sweet somehow.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Jeeezus. They could have gone with a lollipop and a sticker?
cheaper and appropriate for the level of critical thinking applied by the jabbees.

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imp66
imp66
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Anyone who uses Track and Trace needs their bumps feeling.

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Gingerrose
Gingerrose
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I saw an article about the fully vaxed being able to use separate lanes at the airport to get through quicker. How hilarious would it be if the non vaxed lane ends up quicker due to less people.

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Crystal Decanter
Crystal Decanter
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Get some boot polish and a dinghy and no travel restrictions apply

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago

This is one of those news items that seem far more mundane than it actually is. This is absolutely huge.

If you are not vaccinated you can be placed under arbitrary house arrest, whereas if you are vaccinated you are exempted from house arrest.

That is what the rule says when you take away the euphemistic language.

A very very dark day in British history.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They gave to give the vaxxoids something in return for surrendering the last rags of their humanity.
If they drop QR. odes, how are they going to identify us humans anyway?

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The legal system is not worth that label anymore.

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D B
D B
4 years ago

Lol, good luck contacting me

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  D B

Or me!

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Will
Will
4 years ago

Does anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated participate in test and trace, I wonder?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Almost certainly not unless forced to via work, but people still may get hold of your number through various means.

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timsk
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

No Will – I don’t have the NHS app and I’ve not been vaccinated. However, I am on the ONS study and take a PCR test once a month simply for the reason that they give me £25.00 on each occasion. Easiest money I’ve ever earned. 🙂

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

“Professor Chris Whitty has urged the nation to “push hell for leather” to reduce coronavirus infection rates and roll out the vaccines to prevent a significant increase in long Covid.”

“We don’t know how big an issue it’s going to be but I think we should assume it’s not going to be trivial.”

It’s going to be trivial

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

FFS. Has he not noticed that we have no way of controlling infection rates other than it being summer?

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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

LOL literally 😁

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

“Hell for leather” Always a good approach in medicine when dealing with novel threats and treatments.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

one interesting aspect

the vaccines don’t prevent you getting covid

as covid rises, people are going to be admitted to hospital ‘with’ and die ‘with’ but not ‘of’ covid and these will overwhelmingly be vaccinated people (because most are vaccinated and especially the old)

they will have to admit their numbers are bollox – only 15 months late!

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

But this winter’s epidemic will be a “flu” one. The vaccines cured coronavirus, remember?

So the people who die from the vaccine will actually have died with the new “flu”.

But this new flu, well we need to vaccinate EVERYONE against it. Anyone who isn’t vaccinated against the new flu is a POTENTIAL DEATHTRAP. In fact, we need a lockdown to stop the new flu. Social distancing. Masks. Track and trace. Bubbles in schools. Self-isolation. Quarantine. All to stop the spread of the deadly new flu.

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

They will need a new name for this deadly new flu? Covid-21?

Vaccine will become mandatory, and the Vaccine Passports will finally be upon us.

One holiday a year if you are good. Carbon credits. Social scoring. Digital currency with expiry dates.

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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
4 years ago

Since they have said that vaccinations don’t stop transmissions, and they are now saying that the vaccinated can bypass rules to avoid transmissions, it can be concluded with certainty that this was never actually about transmissions, or a virus at all, but about compliance.

If it was always about compliance, then we can be certain that it was always about control.

The war for our freedoms has only just started.

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

Spot on. I was pointing this out today to someone who watches too much BBC. His face, as he realised it was true, was a picture.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

When you don’t get jabbed, and you don’t get trapped and traced, because you avoid anywhere that insists on this LIKE THE BLOODY PLAGUE, then all this has little meaning.

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TheFascistCoronaFraud
TheFascistCoronaFraud
4 years ago

Anyone know if Radacanu has been jabbed? But weird for an 18 year old to walk out of a dream scenario like that. Asking the question, not drawing conclusions

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Clancloch
Clancloch
4 years ago
Reply to  TheFascistCoronaFraud

BBC have a lot to answer for there together with rest of MSM building her up massively when she is still very inexperienced. Scheduling was all wrong-she really should have been on much earlier in the day and not on Centre. It’s clear she found the occasion too much. Nothing to be ashamed of. Rated over 300 in the world and having reached the 4th round of a slam is a tremendous achievement. Mac had it dead right.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Clancloch

Yeah, that pressure, at that level, on a kid is likely to end in tears. Maybe she was vaxxed, but just as likely she broke under the situation.

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago
Reply to  Clancloch

People that age have WON Wimbledon. Not therefore a convincing argument.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Clancloch

I thought she was a good player – technically – and think she has great promise – but it would appear that she had a panic attack – far too much pressure on such a young kid – last British hope in the home slam etc etc etc.

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cloud6
cloud6
4 years ago
Reply to  TheFascistCoronaFraud

I think you will find she was suffering from a condition called exhaustion.
Symptoms of fatigue

  • chronic tiredness or sleepiness.
  • headache.
  • dizziness.
  • sore or aching muscles.
  • muscle weakness.
  • slowed reflexes and responses.
  • impaired decision-making and judgement.
  • moodiness, such as irritability.
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maggy mcgeown
maggy mcgeown
4 years ago
Reply to  TheFascistCoronaFraud

My thought precisely.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Call me Mr Picky but there are no fully vaccinated Brits

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago

Funny my petition to opt out of the NHS (so that I’m not required to save it on the basis that it’s going to become a 2 tier service that doesn’t care about saving me) was rejected “because my claim was baseless”. I’ve kept the draft….

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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Please post your petition and the response!

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

They did offer a way to rephrase it. I could reword it, having to pay for something that I have to ‘protect’ which has been absolutely appalling to me over my life is galling.

—

Sorry, we can’t accept your petition – “Introduce an NHS opt out system for health care.”.

It included confidential, libellous, false, unproven or defamatory information, or a reference to a case where there are active legal proceedings.
We cannot publish petitions that contain false or unproven statements.

This includes unsubstantiated claims that the NHS is or plans to refuse treatment or deprioritise patients, which we have been unable to verify. We could accept a petition calling on the Government to provide a rebate to taxpayers who have private medical care, if that’s what you want to happen.

We only reject petitions that don’t meet the petition standards:
https://petition.parliament.uk/help#standards
If you want to try again, click here to start a petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

I’ve tried to opt out of their harassment campaign but it’s seemingly impossible – they told me to contact my GP, which I did and they said they couldn’t opt anyone out of NHS England communications. Repeating the question again to NHS England has simply been ignored, as has asking three times why they consider it acceptable to leak people’s vaccination status (by using very easily identifiable bespoke blue envelopes for the harassment letters). My most recent email to them asking for details of their complaints policy was – surprise, surprise – also ignored. Next step I am looking at is a complaint to the ICO about the blue envelopes, and possibly a complaint to the police and the local MP about ongoing NHS harassment. Probably won’t get anywhere, but this organisation now clearly thinks it can do whatever it likes, and unless people stand up to its bullying it isn’t likely to change its approach.

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

There is no opt out at all, no right to be forgotten, nothing. I do not trust them with my confidential records and would like them expunged, no chance sadly, to be sold to the highest bidder it seems.

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Keep going please. I’m up to twenty separate contacts now. It’s all very boring.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago

Mr Javid told MPs “the odds have shifted in our favour” due to the successful vaccination roll-out

Er, no!. We are just where we were this time last year, without this jab. The odds have shifted in our favour due to the normal seasonal variations – about the only thing that seems to have remained ‘normal’ these days.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

and the delta variant being about as dangerous as athlete’s foot

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Not according to well renowned UFO expert Feigl-Ding..

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1412368327150874625

It’s like a grenade!

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

where have you been steve ?- the delta variant is deadly don’t you know? – or so MSM would have us all believe. I know LOTS of people who are VERY worried about the delta variant and who will also be very worried about the next variant which emerges.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

Should we worry about the Lambda variant?Michelle Roberts
Health editor, BBC News online

if you like. I’m not but that’s because I’m not a complete c#nt

Last edited 4 years ago by steve_w
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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

The lambda variant is perfect for the sheep

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

comment image

Don’t be a Lambda to the slaughter.
Be a Freeman.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

No coincidence that the game focused on containment of an experiment that went wrong too…

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cloud6
cloud6
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

The Lambda sensor is located in your car’s exhaust system.
or

  • Lambda indicates the wavelength of any wave, especially in physics, electronics engineering, and mathematics.
  • In evolutionary algorithms, λ indicates the number of offspring that would be generated from μ current population in each generation. The terms μ and λ are originated from Evolution strategy notation.
  • Lambda indicates the radioactivity decay constant in nuclear physics and radioactivity. This constant is very simply related (by a multiplicative constant) to the half-life of any radioactive material.
  • In probability theory, lambda represents the density of occurrences within a time interval, as modelled by the Poisson distribution.
  • In mathematical logic and computer science, lambda is used to introduce anonymous functions expressed with the concepts of lambda calculus.
  • Lambda is a unit of volume, synonymous with one microliter (1 μL), that is, one cubic millimetre (1 mm3). This use is currently deprecated.
  • Lambda indicates an eigenvalue in the mathematics of linear algebra.

My thanks to Wikipedia.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Lambda, like Delta, are Freemason codes too and the origins are Greek numbers. I started researching this a couple days ago to see why the government are using these codes, but typically find there’s not enough hours in the day!

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Splatt
Splatt
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Im waiting for Omega. Im sure it’ll be way more fun.

Or Sigma.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
4 years ago

The NHS surely have the phone numbers of most who have declined the vaccination, eg husband and I were each phoned three times by someone who wanted to discuss our ‘vaccination plan’ (!). ‘Contact tracers’ don’t, as I understand it, just work via the Test and Trace – they can also contact us and say they were given the number by a ‘close contact’. And they can text as well as phone. I trust we will be informed who this ‘close contact’ is?!

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

No, they don’t tell you who the contact was.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I must admit I thought they didn’t…well…I’ll be keeping careful track of the people I’m in ‘close contact’ with! Do we know how ‘close contact’ is defined?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

I think close proximity for 15 mins minimum.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Thanks – yes, I found something that said ‘within six feet for 15 mins minimum’.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
4 years ago
Reply to  Deborah T

I suppose those who downloaded the Track and Trace didn’t really care that they weren’t told who it was. After all, one 16 year-old I know who downloaded it was delighted to get ten days off school. But I will VERY much care who it is, and will want to be told.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

“That’s private!”

unlike your vaccine status, obviously

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago

What about the superior immunity conferred by recovery from this deadly disease – 99.8%.
Don’t – and I’m biased here – we deserve world class beating passports?
Caught it in Hospital where I worked – note passed tense – as a volunteer.
Won’t be allowed back unless I’m fully jabbed. So, that’s me gone.

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

Oh no, these days health only comes from a needle, not nature.
The infantile moronic population really believe that.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

This is discrimination against those with natural immunity.

What if I was to self-identify as vaccinated does that mean I can travel again?

Last edited 4 years ago by Ember von Drake-Dale 22
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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Roughly 80% of the population will have natural immunity (figures from Diamond Princess experiment).

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

….

Screenshot 2021-07-06 at 18-48-28 Stezia 🌸 on Twitter.png
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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

d) An awful lot of money is being made!

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Splatt
Splatt
4 years ago

“Brits”?

You mean England. Absolutely no announcements have been made about NI, Scotland or Wales regarding it.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Splatt

people in NI will NEVER be free – we are on our fourth wave (apparently) and the kind of easing planned for the rest of the UK has been branded by one of our devolved ministers as “completely reckless”. While the rest of you are enjoying whatever “freedom” the government deigns to give you spare a thought for the poor people of NI who are still enslaved to these rules. Chief Medical Officer says there is “no good reason to decline the vaccination” – I could give him several he obviously isn’t aware of.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

I will continue to try to be untraceable as much and as often as possible.
Never done the QR shite, never given my correct name or phone number etc. tbc.
Eff ’em.

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Or do Manuel from Fawlty Towers when asked about your details:
QUE?

Last edited 4 years ago by HeresJohnny
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Real_Surreal
Real_Surreal
4 years ago

This is blatant medical apartheid and segregation for a man made Fauci/Gate funded virus that disappeared before March 2020. Funny nothing has been done about Fauci or Gates and the CCP Wuhan lab?

AIDS carrier’s aren’t even treated with this sort of segregation and AIDS is actully a lethal virus.

From my research the UK Gov website says that: –
Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.

Something very sinister is happening like this is about the Great Reset.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago

Mr Javid added that “of course” anyone that tested positive would have to self-isolate whether they have had the jab or not. (BBC)

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Quite. And your jabbed are going to be more likely to test positive.

And more likely to engage with the whole testing theatre, so …

Lol

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A. Contrarian
A. Contrarian
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

I don’t know about more likely, but just as likely surely, since the Great Vaxx (or indeed any vaxx for that matter) doesn’t prevent you from being exposed to the virus and potentially having moderate amounts of it in your body while your immune system is showing it the door.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  A. Contrarian

That’s just it, though, A. Your immune system doesn’t show it the door at all as a result of the jab. The jab just (possibly) reduces symptoms. You’ve still got it, and you can still pass it on. The only way they can game the system so the jabbed ‘look’ clean is to reduce the cycles on their pcr tests.

Of course, I know jack about jabs or virology, or science frankly, which puts me on a similar level to most members of SAGE, it seems.

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
4 years ago

Had the nth call from out local “vaccine team” today, taken on my
voice mail (my phone only rings if the caller is on my chosen “VIP” list).

I phoned them back and said I’ve already told you many times that I decline having the jab so will you please record that and stop phoning me.

He was very apologetic and said they’ve been having problems with their recording system and that they’ve been told that a lot.

He sounded sincere but are these people being told that the jab take-up rate is way too low and therefore they need to call everyone, including those who’ve already declined?

Last edited 4 years ago by Ross Hendry
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Splatt
Splatt
4 years ago

This is *nothing* to do with the App.
The app is not legally binding and people are anonymous.

This is entirely the main track and trace system where if they go through the script you are then legally obliged to follow.

Easy to avoid by leaving fake details when asked and blocking the number (0300 013 5000)

That way if they want you they’ll have to find resources to send someone to the door (very unlikely).

** This is nothing to do with the App **

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago

They’re not removing restrictions, they’re increasing coercion.

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imp66
imp66
4 years ago

With PCR tests running at 45 cycles, so many compliant guinea pigs will still get a +ve result and still self isolate, despite willingly offering their arms to the state. Don’t take the “vaccines” and don’t upload the f*cking apps!

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neilhartley
neilhartley
4 years ago

There was never any evidence that the ‘vaccine’ immunised or prevented transmission – it said that on the NHS invitation to poison yourself. Given that, why are the government propagating this apartheid narrative? It’s rhetorical.

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