The U.K. lockdowns cost more lives than they saved and must not happen again, scientists have told MPs.
The comments came at the latest meeting of the Pandemic Recovery APPG, a group of MPs and Peers from across the political spectrum united by their aim to find new pandemic solutions which prevent avoidable suffering and loss. Chaired by Labour MP Graham Stringer, the group listened to evidence on whether lockdowns were an effective or ethical public health measure.
All the experts voiced serious concerns about the catastrophic damage lockdowns have done to society and the untested departure they represented from previous public health policy.
Dr. Mark Woolhouse, Professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh and author of The Year The World Went Mad, opened the expert testimony:
I never imagined that in early 2020 we would come up with a public health intervention that risked causing even more damage than the disease. Were lives saved during the lockdowns? Yes, but it is not widely known that most of the people who died in the first wave got infected during lockdown. We should have put far more effort into protecting those people and those around them – lockdown didn’t save them. At the same time, we should have dropped the least effective measures much more quickly than we did and avoided the second and third lockdowns entirely.
There are lessons to be learnt here: if your pandemic response plan involves anything as damaging as lockdown you need to plan in advance to deal with the collateral harms too. It was difficult to have a proper debate about the pros and cons of lockdown in the frenzied atmosphere of March 2020 but we must have that debate now if we are to avoid such a harmful policy in future pandemics. If we’d taken a more balanced approach in 2020 we could have saved many lives and largely kept out of lockdown too. That is why I wrote my book, to elucidate the damage to people’s lives, to education, to the economy, and to health thanks to people being told to stay away from the NHS. Lockdowns were not a proportionate or sustainable intervention and the forthcoming inquiry needs to take a critical view of their role.
Speaking about the ethics of lockdown, Dr. Philip Thomas, Professor of Risk Management at Bristol University, said:
My field is risk management and, when I look at the use of lockdown, it strikes me that the Government didn’t give enough consideration to the collateral damage such a wide-ranging measure would cause to the economy, perhaps not realising the likely size of the knock-on, adverse effects on people’s health and life expectancy. Vast sums of money were spent to reduce the risk of Covid using lockdowns but, in its efforts to save one group of people from harm, the Government may have exposed others to even greater damage. We have to realise that the trade-off is not between lives and money, but lives versus lives.
The Government and its advisers do not seem to have recognised the extent of the downside risks before implementing a public health intervention that had never before been used on such a scale. In addition, the modelling upon which the lockdowns were decided could not be relied on, when models could, in fact, have given very good insights, something I have demonstrated with judging risk using the J-value. The pandemic could have been managed differently.
Chairing the meeting, MP Graham Stringer said:
I have made no secret of my concerns about the Government’s handling of the pandemic from the outset but hearing what our speakers have said, I fear that these repeated lockdowns will go down as one of the worst public health measures ever undertaken. Hindsight is a great thing, but it is clear that the decision making process that led to repeated lockdowns was seriously flawed. There was inadequate consideration of the policies and all the available evidence, let alone any risk assessment to protect against doing more harm than good.
We have heard compelling evidence from Professor Philip Thomas, whose comprehensive analysis suggests that the net effect of U.K. COVID-19 restrictions has actually increased the loss of life. I hope the use of lockdowns and all their ramifications is something that the U.K. COVID-19 Inquiry will not shy away from very closely and critically scrutinising. It cannot be allowed to happen again.
Entrepreneur and philanthropist Luke Johnson, talking about the economic devastation, said:
Lockdown was a disproportionate, discriminatory and imprecise intervention which has caused immense harm to society and the economy, in particular the hospitality industry. There were no studies or papers to demonstrate that such measures were effective. Instead, it is now clearer than ever that lockdowns were counterproductive. Why did we not focus protection on those we knew were at highest risk? The Government and its advisers simply decided to unilaterally shut down the whole of society on the basis of no scientific evidence and no understanding of the consequences.
Many businesses suffered. Jobs have been lost, lives have been destroyed. These things do not happen in a vacuum. The advisers and ministers who championed repeated lockdowns have not had to put their careers on the line. No cost benefit analysis has ever been done and not one of those affected has been included in the decision making. The victims of lockdown did not seem to matter, whether economic or health. All that mattered was the public appearance of SAGE’s and the Government’s response to Covid. I hope what I said here will hit home and these mistakes will never be repeated.
The group heard lastly from Nick Stokes, a former NHS trust Chairman, whose wife of 46 years, Joy Stokes, died of cancer that went undiagnosed due to NHS COVID-19 restrictions imposed by lockdown:
Joy was the life and soul and the love of my life. She had recovered from breast cancer following a mastectomy and nine months of chemotherapy. She bounced back, playing golf, seeing friends and busy with life. Her last mammogram was clear but at the start of lockdown she was getting pain in her hip which by October became severe. Her doctor did not want to know and dismissed it as arthritis.
We tried to access a physio though we could not see one in person. None of the treatments were helping. The private physio we tried wrote to our doctors to say Joy needed an X-ray or a scan but we continued to be given the run around until it was too late. By the time Joy got to hospital, the cancer had spread into her bones and then her brain. I talked to the oncology team after she died and they were sure, had she been seen and referred earlier they would have been able to control it and Joy would most likely still be here.
Vice Chair of the APPG Sammy Wilson MP said:
The impact of lockdowns on countless lives has been and continues to be devastating. It is clear that lockdown was an ill-thought out and ill-advised policy which should have never been deployed. One of the awful knock-on effects was to effectively shut down access to healthcare for all non-Covid treatment and we heard the tragic outcome of that in the harrowing testimony from Nick Stokes.
We also heard about the economic devastation from Luke Johnson and the very real impact that has had on people. Lives and livelihoods have been lost, and will continue to be, as a direct result of lockdowns. The U.K. COVID-19 Inquiry must ask the question: why did we lockdown, not once but three times?
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Wasn’t that what everyone was saying on here, what, two years ago?
There is more knowledge, intelligence and experience demonstrated on this board and a few other favourite places than I have ever seen come out of any government department or enquiry.
The last two years have drawn me to a crystal clear conclusion about human kind. The vast majority of people are brainless lemmings with evil bubbling just beneath the surface. The popular views on the unvaxxed and the Russians highlight this perfectly. Much of what is said – said with a fanfare – about these groups is deeply troubling. I’ve totally lost faith in other people; their true dark nature’s just been hidden, waiting for a moment of peer-approved hysteria to gleefully display who they really are.
I think TPTB know this. They manipulate the masses to sway this way or that and try to keep them dumbed down so as not to let the hysteria drift to popular revolt.
The mob.
If you think it otherwise, TPTB will no doubt see you as naive and colouring the world in childish crayons.
How to now live in that world without compromising your own principles is the question.
“How to now live in that world without compromising your own principles is the question.”
So it has come to this, that we now accept this current situation of endless vaccines-by-coercion and supermarkets seas of face masks as ‘The New Normal’.
“Best get used to it” seems to be the answer!
Not having any free access to your own devalued money takes some “getting used to”
But then you will own nothing and presumably fed slop to keep you alive. ‘Happiness” ( oblivion) must come from the drugs they will be pumping into you.
Have we reached the ultimate limits of what obscene human greed will sanction doing to other human beings? It looks close!
Or stand as a No more Vax/Mask/Lockdown candidate in the county and town elections. Deadline for entries 4pm, next Tuesday.
no deposit needed, just ten residents to nominate you.
Give your neighbours so-one real to vote for.
Do you really believe they’ll allow the proles to vote them out?
”If voting made a difference, they wouldn’t let us do it.”
True. It took until my 62nd year to find that everything you have said is true. I used to be quite optimistic about human beings in general.
In my twenties I realised that most people were idiots.. However, this shitshow has shocked me in that I never would have imagined that perhaps 95-98% of the population are running on instinct-autopilot.
I analyse everything, and I thought a good proportion of people did the same, but in reality they are taking shortcuts all the time to avoid having to think for themselves. Terrifying.
You can never be too safe from The Virus.
And it is good to want to ‘protect others’.
Don’t be selfish like The Royal Family and the Government who don’t wear face masks!
My God – the cowardice! You actually love this virus, don’t you! You capitalise it! For you it’s an institution – to be revered, respected – obeyed! It gives your life meaning – a club to be a member of – something to talk rubbish about with others equally frightened and equally gullible. Whitty’s Witless Millions – the end of civilisation.
Judging by the tenor of other posts, Emerald is being sarcastic.
Yes. but very subtly.
Isn’t she just.
You sound like a scientist. Can you channel your energies through passion or is that something you are instinctively scared of??
They are telling you its 98% but that is just another lie.Media propaganda has been their ultimate weapon in fooling the population – in reality probably more than 35% will not have had the first booster and even fewer will have the second. Then there are those who are unjabbed – more than they admit!
Suppressing Yellow Card data ( itself a shocking underestimation of the damage being done to people) has proved very effective.
The British are not used to being under an ‘Emergency Regs’ Police State and Media censorship and so have failed to adapt fast enough. But everyday a few more wake up!
I’m not basing that on dodgy vaccination data. I am basing it on anecdotal discussions with real people. Of the few fellow people who have not had the experimental clot shots, many of them have not had it for reasons such as quote “they are just saline anyway, why would I want one”, or they have a genuine fear of needles, or they are just pretty thick people who saw a scary anti-vaccine post on arsebook. None of them have actually done any research on either side of the argument. Apart from this site, in real life I know only one person who was on the same wavelength as me, but he caved-in when his family were forced to get AZ vaccine to leave their ancestoral country after visiting ill relatives in 2021. He doesn’t talk about it now, maybe it is a psychological defence mechanism against the horrific knowledge that his family have just been grievously assaulted.
“The British are not used to being under an ‘Emergency Regs’ Police State and Media censorship and so have failed to adapt fast enough.”
I’d reckon if you were to do a straw poll 9 out of 10 people wouldn’t even be aware that they are.
My dear old schoolfriend, who lives in Scotland, appears to know little about what is going on as regards covid, and when I asked if she’d been vaccinated, replied, “well, yes, I thought I might as well”. So, that’s the amount of consideration many people have given to this experimental ‘vaccine’.
Ditto.
I too analyse everything and think a lot about what is happening. It seems however that for the bulk of the population their primary concerns are which box set to binge on Netflix and which takeaway rubbish from Deliveroo they are going to order for their dinner.
They shrug their shoulders about things that they really should think about as if to say “what can I do about it? that’s for other people”.
I wonder if the film ‘One by One’ is on Netflix, or is that too controversial for them.
It was still available on youtube – not sure if removed now but also check out the new one last year ‘songbird’ with Demi Moore
You can still buy the DVD.
Going on holiday is a Big Thing where I live. It’s important to go abroad. People will be rushing to take however many boosters are required for their trip abroad. Side effects are brushed aside as of no concern.
I don’t mean to be rude but I hadn’t realised until 2 years ago just how many stupid and gullible people there really are.
Some them are friends, family and neighbours!
The conclusion I reached 25 years ago is that the UK actively promotes the intellectually second rate sporty types who can drink plenty. I was just sent my school alumni magazine and how clear it was in it how many ‘successful people’ had been academic dimwits. The school when I was there served its scholars appallingly – they mostly ended up as failures in adult life, probably through being forcibly held back for 5 years in classrooms and either focussing on things they were poor at, learning that coasting was expected of them etc.
The reality is that this country hates intellect and adores sporting achievement.
I’m not sure about hating intellect, it’s just that not very bright people who live for the football on Saturday are very useful to TPTB. It’s all in Brave New World. Bread and circuses has become beer and football.
It was ever thus but don’t lose too much faith.
TRPTB even the dim ones, were advised that they have to overcome the 20% or so, slow, ie critical, thinkers in any population – most on here are of that group.
Thankfully, at least in England/Red States it would seem, us 20% have some clout.
Don’t believe the bollocks % figures for the great jab uptake – it’s far less than they say.
As long as they’re unable to frighten a lot more into welcoming digital ID for the selfish sake of their “Health”, Lol, they’ve lost – for now.
So, look forward to the next even more novel and even more scary virus.
Got to get those needles in more arms haven’t we.
AND they’re still encouraging the kids.
Murdering bastards, may they rot in Hell.
Check out what evil UVDL has planned for the poor EU citizens!
UVDL?
Ursula fond of lying
A little reading required perhaps?
Perhaps UvdL might have been a better clue?
UVDL is probably Ultra-Violet Dunny Light, so beloved of Outback wooden privies.
‘Bear in mind that man is but a devil weakly fettered by some generous beliefs and impositions’. Robert Louis Stevenson. I came across this quote in a very interesting book about the mid sixteenth century witch hunts in England. The parallels between human behaviour and gullibility back then and in today’s context is very disturbing. Nothing changes.
Hear hear! I couldn’t agree more. perfectly enshrined that even such a clearly obvious and honest point manages to attract downticks. Incredible!
Prof Philip Thomas did a cost benefit analysis. Something the 450,000 civil servants couldn’t manage between them
They could have done it if instructed.
Ask why the Permanent Secretaries didn’t demand it of them.
Ask why the PM didn’t demand it.
One of the Welsh Independent members of the Welsh Assembly asked Drakeford for one last year, he is still waiting.
My suspicion is that they did do one, then quickly realized they would get the Benito & Carla treatment if the unwashed got their hands on it, so quietly fed it to the shredder.
Telling the truth has consequences, unless you have made yourself immune to consequences. There are many jobs you won’t survive in telling the truth and that was truth 20 years ago just as much as now.
Scientists’ primary priority is raising research income. They have to be on message to do that. You don’t become a consultant doctor rocking the boat. The system selects for on message sycophants upwards and ruthless bullies downwards. Always had.
MPs are looking out for their post-office troughing. The more you are PC, the bigger the pay off later.
All you have to do is analyse motivation theory to understand why.
More difficult is changing entire cultures to make things different.
I’ve worked in science and engineering for my entire career. Back in the 80s, there were research labs in universities, government institutes (TRRL, building stds, DRAs), and large industries (British Aerospace, GEC, Marconi, Smiths, water and gas boards,..). Funding in universities came from multiple sources, mainly SERC (government), but also that was what academics were paid to do anyway through central funding. There was free exchange of info from government institutes into industry. From about the middle of the 90s it all changed. Centres closed, merged, privatised, removing all that specialist competition so the direction of research became driven by the source of funds, with fewer parallel groups. British research capability reduced massively, now driven by vested interests and all scientific integrity and honesty gone.
Yes, but when you look at their real motives their carefully pre-planed actions have so far been a total success!
Clue: nothing to do i with a virus!
And most of those selected to be heard by this pro-government Star chamber are cheer-leaders for the scamdemic, genuflecting to ’those who died of Covid’ when we all know they died of the common cold.
Oh look, some professors have turned up to close the stable door. Horses are long gone. Seriously, these doofuses with their fat paychecks and their fancy titles are utterly useless. Shame shame shame on every single person coming out NOW with these asinine critiques. I knew all this 2 years ago and so did you. Sickening.
True, but I still welcome it. There will be another virus, and what governments can get away with then might be affected if enough people accept that governments’ response to this one had catastrophic consequences, and that lockdowns should never be tried again. That might be a thin hope, but Iraq suggests that it’s not hopeless. Yes, there are many whose post-Iraq anti-war position was quickly abandoned as soon as the current Ukraine situation arose, but there’s more dovishness than there would have been were it not for the backlash after Iraq, and the near-universal acknowledgement that it was wrong, moving the Overton window. So bring on the eleventh hour converts. We’ll always know that we were right from the start.
Yes we are onto the enforced vaccinations of all and digital passports for everything with the abolition of money and financial independence for the plebs now – see the EU plans for next June onwards !
I don’t suppose Mrs UVDL will have any trouble accessing her husband’s Biotech millions for a new pair of designer shoes!
I see Gucci are represented at Davdos – well they would be wouldn’t they? I wonder what Cameron, Blair, and Javid talked about when there in 2020?
Shame on the Supreme Court too!
The warnings that lockdowns would do more harm than good was loud and clear almost as soon as the first one was imposed on us.
The Government, the Media and Big Tech first howled down those scientists (and others) questioning the policy and then silenced them.
As far as I’m concerned every Scientist who promoted them; every Minister in the Government which who imposed them on us and every MP who subsequently voted for the policy to continue are The Guilty Men/Women and should be hounded from Public Office.
My recollection is that, along with masks, they were initially actually recommended against, both by the ‘pandemic plan’ that was already in place and then ignored because it was for the wrong type of respiratory virus and also by WHO?
They worked out that masks were the best method of signalling control and compliance with stupid health damaging anti-common sense ‘orders’ from above ever devised – a perfect “I am mindlessly compliant” badge!
Oooh nicely put!
What about the Doctors trashing their once sacred ‘Do No Harm’ principle.
Is this the definition of a eureka moment for a civil servant? Why are we giving these people money? Why are we giving politicians money? What is the point, can someone please enlighten me?
Unwarranted ‘Lockdown’ in a so-called ‘free society’ is synonymous with ‘Evil’. And those that forced it upon humanity must be held to account.
And still it continues in hospitals up and down the country, ward closures, visiting banned, appointments cancelled. Shameful
Friend’s operation cancelled – someone tested positive ( 97% of positives are false positives) for Covid!
Looks like the permanent future for our formerly “Wonderful” NHSS.
It’s a “legitimate” (to TPTB) way of shutting the NHS down and restricting access as people formerly knew it.
Graham Stringer, hmmm? Graham Stringer? Anyone remember him putting his head above the parapet in 2020 and saying how wrong lockdowns were. Of course, it’s coming back to me. He felt so strongly about the issue he resigned didn’t he?
Meanwhile the only person this Committee calls to speak about deaths caused by the monomania of covid and lockdowns is a former chair of NHS trust. To demonstrate I suppose that we’re all in it together! That even the great and the good in the Wonderful Rainbow NHS were unable to seen.
The Queen suffered like us, NHS bigwigs suffered like us. What transparent attempt to shovel masses of sh1t under a tiny threadbare carpet.
Sickening.
Stringer was mildly questioning at the time IIRC, but too little too late
The only labour MP to vote against? Perhaps finding himself alone in a Party of lockdown fanatics / Quislings a resignation might have been the best option.
He clearly recommended himself as chairman by being the only possible candidate thanks to his mild questioning.
Wikipedia: “On 21 October 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, Stringer was the only Labour MP to vote against implementing stricter lockdown in the North West of England, an area which includes his own constituency in Greater Manchester.”
He’s a Labour MP so there’s nothing to resign from, unless you mean quitting as an MP entirely and triggering a by-election? He voted against lockdowns – the only Labour MP to do so – and has a history of treating scientists with the necessary levels of scepticism.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130528170219/http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/News/Climate-jiggery-pokery
Indeed. Let’s not line up the resistance with the Quislings when the firing squads are reloading.
Amazing how many resistance fighters crawl out of the woodwork when hostilities cease. Not sure these Machiavels are a boon to anyone but themselves.
Bit like the suddenly abundantly staffed French Resistance in August 1944.
Wikipedia . What a tool! I said I didn’t remember his name being mentioned. At all. I remember the same sceptical faux fiery names popping up but not his. I don’t find a resignation by an MP with strong beliefs a risible idea.
Has science defined the ‘necessary’ levels of scepticism?
I certainly wouldn’t have wanted the few MPs voting against lockdowns to resign. We needed them very much!
Why? What did they achieve? Did they bravely speak up about masks, midazolam, Ivermectin, the Bill Gates issue, lab origins, PCR tests, Ofcom, BBC, nudge units, fearmongering? General pharma lying, data suppression, and the Fauci problem, cancer deaths, freedom of speech, the inefficacy and injuries caused by vaccines, Ferguson, Imperial, Xi, gain of function research, blah blah blah.
Not so much.
Wikipedia or Hansard quotes?
As you say, we needed them very much.
Fair enough
One of the better ones
But none of them voted against at the start and for a long while afterwards
He could have utterly condemned the whole thing and resigned the whip
The sceptic Tories worked from the inside and sort of won in the end
Labour are now the Medical Tyranny Techno Fascist Party (MTTFP) – can anyone doubt it?
I am no Labour fan, but I have dealt with Graham Stringer in an official capacity as part of my work, and he always come across as a reasonable and thoughtful MP. Even though I do not vote Labour, if he was my constituency MP I would not be dissapointed.
Not being disappointed is high praise indeed with this parliament.
there are a few decent proper Labour MPs left among a sea of wokerati
John Mann, Kate Hoey, Frank Field
But as usual you can count them on one hand!
Troublingly short list, since both Field and Hoey are now in the Lords, and aren’t Labour any more.
It’s not a case of what we do next time: this time is still with us. Restrictions may have eased but they haven’t gone away, particularly where care homes are concerned. Mental health is still being damaged by the social divisions inflicted upon us. Until UKHSA is put firmly back in its box and all “guidance” is rescinded damage is still being done.
Health ‘Security’ Agency – the name tells you all. They are there to stand between the public and the politicians. Another layer of bodyguards for a corrupt government.
They will declare you ‘mad’ and have you whisked off to a mental facility where you can cause no more harm if you prove to be ‘bothersome’.
Is their plan to ‘keep you safe’ in one of their camps built for the very purpose?
Their “Keeping you safe” slogan sends shivers down the spine!
I don’t want someone to “keep me safe”
I want to live. On my own terms.
It’s not been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that lockdowns “saved” any lives at all
In fact, they seem desperate to keep up the numbers of death by covid, judging by that wall of pink hearts they’ve got now
the only lives ‘saved’ were those that would have been lost if the health service collapsed
but it wasn’t going to (no worse than any other year)
we can see in Kong Kong that lockdown just defers the inevitable – they haven’t updated heir data for a while, but if excess deaths are anything like their ‘covid deaths’ they have shot past half of europe in the last few weeks
I suppose we must be grateful that the lockdown ethos is finally being seriously questioned. But my concern is that the non-promotion of cheap Vitamin D, as an immune boost, allied to the denial of cheap re-purposed drug treatments like Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin will be overlooked in all of this tardy questioning. These decisions killed millions of people and it’s still happening as I text this. This is mass murder.
I bought some vitamin D online yesterday – a 3 month supply – for less than a fiver.
As I did it I thought to myself “if the government had just done this for everyone 2 years ago, how much would we have saved, in terms of human lives, human misery, the shutting down of the economy and lastly the vast wasted public finances.
At a cost of approx £400m (rounding up and assuming purchasing for 70m people at 4000iu per day) for a 3 month period, that would have been a total spend of £3.2 billion over a 2 year period. Puts the £8+ billion spent on the excess/inappropriate PPE they have had to burn into context.
(please, someone, correct my maths if it is wrong – it was never my strongest subject!!)
Vit D3. Was it the 5000 I.U. It works together with magnesium.
No 2000iu and i take 2 per day – hence 4000iu – I take it alongside magnesium and vit K2
Had the radio on when driving, Vicious Vine was on, talking about loss of “free” tests for the bug that’s going around. Apparently, including the pcrs as well, it averages out at £67 per skewering. A total of £500 billion or so. So £10000 a head, roughly, or maybe closer to £50000 for each of us that actually pays tax. Splashed on useless harmful tests for a non serious disease, at the expense of proper treatment for real illnesses.
I know I won’t be the only to feel incredibly frustrated at these reports coming out now. I suppose we can say ‘better late than never’, but actually there HAD been a short window for all the scientists, the doctors, the statisticians, to speak out without fear of losing their jobs. It was…immediately. In the first half of March 2020. I was stunned at the time that no one was speaking out. By April of course everyone knew that anyone putting their heads above the parapet would lose their jobs, research defunded, be hauled before the GMC etc, and I understand that those with big mortgages, big houses, children at private school, would be reticent if speaking out would end their career (although, to their HUGE credit, a tiny minority still did). It’s a small comfort to hear people saying ‘this may never happen again’, but unless that’s enshrined in law, do I believe that? The only thing that would go any way to ‘making amends’ is if all those who lied, twisted data, suppressed data/research findings contrary to the line of the ‘narrative’, and systematically terrorised the public out of proportion to the threat were punished.
It would be pertinent to look at the Nudge Unit(s) and discover their level of culpability in all this, since they seem to have driven most of it, one way or another.
Yes, and I would like to know what or who the driver(s) were? Any thoughts, anyone?
I want the person who formulated the sentence “many people do not feel sufficiently personally threatened…” (or whatever the words were) to be named, shamed and have a syndrome named after them; a syndrome which describes a propensity for threatening, misleading and menacing the innocent.
Baron von Munchausen syndrome by proxy?
Guilty. Every last one of them.
“enshrined in law?”
As Bozo and governments around the world (Lockstep) have shown, “enshrined in law” counts for nothing.
TPTB disregard the law and that allows us to do the same. Sauce for the goose and all that.
I’m interested to know how they got to override Common Law when closing down all those small businesses, Like the famous Tattoo parlour in Bristol.
The Nudge Unit was established in the Cabinet Office in 2010 by David Cameron’s government to apply behavioural science to public policy. Now owned partly by the Cabinet Office, by Nesta and by employees, it has operations across the world.
Its chief executive is Dr David Halpern, former director of research at the Institute for Government, who is also the government’s What Works national adviser. The Nudge unit became profit making in 2013
It needs to be shut down.
My BS and rat smelling sensors went off quit early when a friend told me about his son who owned and managed a nursing home and that the ‘infected elderly” were being dumped into nursing homes. I realised that the whole thing was a con and they were trying to bump up the death figures by putting the sick in with the vulnerable.
What amazes me is that I bumped into said friend in a shop a few days ago and he was wearing a mask.
The mask wearers are ‘lost’…but ‘happy’!
Dr Malcom Kendrick blew that whistle on his blog VERY early on and expressed very serious concerns about what was happening. It made me smell a rat when I read it and he has been proved right.
excellent stuff! I look forward to seeing it reported on the BBC
Dr. Philip Thomas was excellent. His work confirmed to me that lockdown was a terrible idea. If the decision makers had rad his work in early March we might not be here
I would imagine that there were people in No10 etc shoving it down the back of armchairs and other hidey holes where it would never be found – such was their determination to follow those issuing orders from above (WEF).
Best WEF MP is a dead one!
‘Lockdown’ has not gone away – restricting international travel, and forcing people to wear face masks is all part of ‘lockdown’ or limiting freedoms. We all have ‘Covid’ in our minds right now, don’t we? We have been brainwashed ourselves – think about it! We are reminded constantly that a ‘threat exists’ every time we see someone wearing a face mask.
The thought occurred to me that this could all be one huge Stanford Prison Experiment where the inmates manipulate themselves psychologically to believe they really are in a prison, when they are not. Some physical restraint helps to paint the illusion.
“Take caution before you watch this.
I just finished it and let me tell you, I will never forget this movie. I felt like I was one of the prisoners and I couldn’t wait for it to end. It shook me, and it disturbed me so much. Honestly I felt like turning it off but I wanted to see the outcome. This movie made me feel like I was going insane with the prisoners and it’s a movie you’ll never forget. It’s horrifying but nonetheless a very well made movie.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XN2X72jrFk
Woah. Not sure I want to watch that. So I suppose I will.
“We all have ‘Covid’ in our minds right now, don’t we? We have been brainwashed ourselves – think about it! We are reminded constantly that a ‘threat exists’ every time we see someone wearing a face mask.”
Speak for yourself Emerald.
I never think of it – I don’t regard myself as threatened by it – I only think of it in terms of the damage that has been allowed to be done in its name.
Have you seen One By One. Last film by Rik Mayall
Dr Graham Stringer MP
Graduated in chemistry and worked as an analytical chemist in the plastics industry.
A proper scientist then – no surprise he was lockdown sceptic – as any real scientist would be
Plastics! Yes ..the biggest cause of ocean pollution and marine death on the planet …huge i industry vast profits ..so not much said about them in the Green Agenda!
Dunno. My uncle qualified from… Imperial… as a chemist (and works mainly in plastics industry) and he is the least sceptical and most plugged in person I know. Believes all of the BS.
possibly unique to Imperial?
Yep – one of my “science” graduate relatives is the biggest covidian out there to my utter amazement.
What totally mystifies me is that very early on, when we knew it was coming and before the lockdown happened, I distinctly remember a conversation we had in the middle of Feb 20 when I said to her “so what do you make of this Chinese virus then?” and she replied “It’s probably all about a vaccine”
She is now triple jabbed and never leaves the house without a mask – even in the middle of a forest with scout camp.
There have been some surprises, certainly.
A microbiologist acquaintance assured me just after the vaxxes were introduced that they were ‘safe’ and that the testing period had been vastly shortened by virtue of not having to hang around for funding (as is more usual).
I asked him ‘what about the long-term effects’ and he just shugged, which I thought was rather unscientific.
Haven’t been in touch since then, but he no doubt has an arm full of Pfizer’s Premium Brew.
I think should get a George Cross for my efforts this past two years fighting the lockdown crazies, and that they should all go to prison. But I’d settle for getting the combined pensions for everyone at the MHRA, NICE and the NHS who have simply refused to do their jobs, at all.
The BBC is now running articles like this about rising cost of living hitting the poor: ‘We see the queue for food growing day by day’ – BBC News
To recap: The BBC spent 2 whole years agitating for more and stricter lockdowns. Yet these imbecilic morons are too dense to put 2 and 2 together and realise that the net result of printing money to pay people not to work would be rampant inflation.
Absolute embarrassment of a state broadcaster, why on earth are we funding this crap?
It is not just about the BBC. SKY, C4, ITV, LBC, and most newspapers were just as bad. It reflects more on the quality and state of journalism, where working in a Government funded job is seen by many as a career goal. Most of our news/current affairs anchors ( left and right) are card carrying members of the British establishment. They have long since abandonned the core values of their profession. It is all very drpressing but we should not have been surprised by the response to lockdown.
LBC Leading Britain’s conversation. They sacked the wonderful Maajid Nawaz for questioning the BS.
I started weaning myself off LBC after it got rid of Katie Hopkins and ditched it when it got rid of Farage.
Anthony William Hall of Birkenhead, Director-General, BBC News, attended the WEF-Davos 2020 forum, and was listed/catorgorised as a ‘Level 1-Editor-in-Chief’.
Blair, Brown, Cameron, and Osborne were also attendees.
Full details here > https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/29/davos-2020-categorised-list-of-uk-attendees/
The BBC has its usual Marxist Globalist agenda – follow the narrative in to ” “levelling down” ( not up) territory.
The “selfish” White Middle class must give up their privileges and allow millions more immigrants from anywhere to flood the county so we can feed them all by reducing our consumption .
Globalist ‘Take Down’ of Europe fully underway!
In the bad old days we at least used to know when we were at war and people were trying to kill us!
“levelling down” is redistribution UP, i.e. rent-seeking.
Worldwide lockdowns have crippled supply chains. Enforced isolation has affected productivity across the globe and particularly food. Jobs have been lost needlessly and the BBC, apparently, I refuse to watch it, laments about queues for food.
FFS.
No that is caused by the War LOL.
Again, in the same way they “agitated” for more and stricter lockdowns, this can be seen as the BBC “agitating” for CBDC and UBI ‘to relieve the dreadful poverty’ all the rampant covid/lockdown inflation has caused.
Then that would be the first time they’ve discussed CSDCs on the BBC?
Well I cancelled mine, don’t see why I should pay to listen to Lord haw Haw!
O/T – but I just noticed that this site’s ‘search’ facility is ‘enhanced by Google’.
Is such dependence on Mammon really suitable for a ‘Sceptic’ website?
No.
I’m of the opinion that the DS is controlled opposition.
Never ever a link in the ‘Daily Roundup’ to leading alt media such as The Corbett Report, The Last American Vagabond, or UK Column.
Perhaps, and I’m just postulating, our email addresses are being collected to produce a directory of dissenters?
The last two years of Hell has made me question everything.
I’d suggest they look at QALYs lost vs gained by rolling out experimental goop to all and sundry also.
And what about the heist by the super-rich? Are their stolen assets to be ‘frozen’?
About time the robber barons had sanctions put on them, eh?
Much more likely that our miserable assets are to be frozen and handed to them!
That has been something I’ve been trying to point out to people. where is due process, If they can do that to them, they can also do that to us. That seems to go over so many people’s heads, just like Lockdown.
No we just let them do what they like, we even remove bridges so they can sail off down the river.
It was difficult to have a proper debate about the pros and cons of lockdown in the frenzied atmosphere of March 2020 but we must have that debate now if we are to avoid such a harmful policy in future pandemics.
Woolhouse still spouting “not me guv.”
Why though the talk of “future pandemics?” These are extremely rare events and the last one was 100 years ago. There is no reason to expect one now or in the future – unless of course Woolhouse knows something that he does not wish to disclose.
Billy got a brand new brew?
woolhouse agreed with the first lockdown. he can be safely ignored as a nutter
Indeed, please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember a single SAGE member speaking out against lockdowns in the Spring 2020.
And now, even more disgracefully, he’s not only trying to wash his hands of the cataclysmic disaster, but even f-ing profit from it!
Not just a rat deserting a sinking ship, but a disgracefully opportunist one.
F-you, Woolhouse.
a lot of people will try and take this middle path as damage limitation
‘I agreed with the first lockdown, but only for 3 weeks and we should have prepared the NHS so we didn’t need the other ones’ etc
Woolhouse agreed with lockdown but with hindsight he’d have done it differently.
The only legitimate courses are to say you disagreed with lockdowns all along or you agreed but accept you were wrong
Here’s a challenge for a reasonable society. Let’s work out a way to deal sensibly with viruses without imprisoning people in their homes, forcing them to wear masks and injecting them with “vaccines” against their wishes; while still allowing the freedom of speech and movement vital to civilised democracies.
Perhaps we might start with an education campaign about ways to strengthen our immune systems.
Better, perhaps, to start with an education campaign about ways to relieve our government of totalitarian power?
Yep – that’s the necessary precursor!
Spot on, as usual, HP.
All part of the Great Reset.
It appears that MPs are now totally irrelevant and will simply vote how they are directed – with the exception of a noble band of around 100, mostly ‘old school’ decent Tories .
So Johnson will do what he is told by his masters blaming the “science”.etc
Our big worry now must surely be whether he will be told to follow Ursula Von Der Leyen into the abyss of forced ‘vaccinations’ for all, imposed digital currency and QR codes for everything , the exclusion of the “unvaxxed” ( fully vaxxed that is – we are at four jabs now with more promised!) from society a Vax/Digital/Green pass and the abolition of money.
This is the reported news coming out of Brussels after a stealthy under the radar move by UVDL and her Globalist Banker allies
After his ‘fake’ Brexit and the abandonment of Northern Ireland to Brussels, if Johnson follows suit under his minders’ pressure it means the end of our independent financial life, bodily autonomy, personal liberties and human rights as we have known them for centuries from Magna Carta through to the 1688/9 ‘Bill of Rights’. In deciding he will have the help of his ne’ Bill of Rights’ which actually takes them away the Online Harms Bill which imposes internet censorship and controls access censorship of opinion and the Police/ Demonstrations Bill, which bans effective demonstrations ‘in the public interest’- looks like thehy were alll three designed for the very purpose!
No doubt the BBC will have of nothing of relevance to say about the biggest coup ever mounted against a European population organised by this diabolic woman, whose Husband is -coincidentally of course- a Biotech Millionaire.
For many the big problem will be keeping calm when the dramatic implications of this ‘coup’ against the people of Europe for this country are fully understood..
Lockdown misery and deaths are sadly now yesterday’s news – the Bankers and Spielmeisters have not finished with us yet!
As usual commentators re still behind their game – many still diverted by the Ukraine conflict side-show at the expense of its deliberate and dark global financial system implication. Russia has sorted out its own financial consequences – this country is naked and exposed to the very worst storm.
Will Soros try to destroy the £ again to complete what he began in 1992 on Black Wednesday?
When Covid broke out Gates is said to have observed with satisfaction that “the lights are going out all over the world” – he was trying to parrot Lord Gray in 1914.
“You will own nothing and be happy” ( Schwab) One step closer to the madman’s dream!
One glimmer of hope: God struck down the tower of Babel, will He strike down the EU and the WEF?
Am I missing something here?
Where was the castigation of SAGE et alia because they tore up the very recently decided WHO 2019 Pandemic advice that had been deliberated for years and years and was based on the collective experience of the last century?
Was the WHO advice wrong? In any material way?
And why no mention here among these committee members of the malign influence of the likes of Gates – who bankrolls WHO and many medicines regulatory bodies and universities around the world – and Fauci (of whom no more needs to be said if you read Robert Kennedy Jr’s book on his record starting with his obsession with HIV)?
If this committee fails to dig into who changed the course of how we deal with disease, to the detriment of millions of individual patients, because they have a religious belief in a ‘germ theory pill for every ill’ that takes no account of the patient’s ‘terrain’, then it will have been a near complete waste of time.
“Whitewash in Whitehall” – the longest running political farce of all time!
Including “the Rat Trap” (which describes how a whole gullible population submitted itself to ongoing experimental lab tests without asking a single relevant question )
“Whitewash in Whitehall” sounds like an album that The Clash or Sham69 should’ve recorded…
…and ‘Rat Trap’ just goes to show how prescient Bob Geldoff was way back in 1978.
How Fauci isn’t already behind bars beggars all human belief.
Has this been reported anywhere in the MSM? Unlikely i fear, which will ensure that the poor brainwashed masses will not question what has happened but just be grateful that ‘it’s over now, we just have to turn up for another jab in a few months time and we can go on holiday’. Not looking at all the collateral damage, I’m afraid they never will now.
Ah yes, but are they flying to their holiday destinations?
If they are, they should be aware that their carrier is almost certainly breaking the law regarding the use of pilots who are taking part in a medical trial.
This is, of course, the least of their problems if their pilot suffers a stroke or heart attack while flying their plane.
Rather fortunate for the likes of Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Johnson that the Black Boxes won’t reveal whether the pilot lost control through medical emergency.
Anyone know whether we in the UK/EU have the same legal underpinning to govern the enrolment of active pilots in medical trials (where the placebo arm is non-existent?)?
Excellent point brachipod. Knowing the EU and their love of meddlesome regulations they are bound to have some kind of regulation covering what you describe,
Black boxes record voices in the cockpit too, so the noise of a pilot gasping and groaning and his mate asking what’s up will be there. The other pilot will be able to fly and land. However, it would still be recorded as a flight incident and should be investigated by the AAIB.
I honestly don’t know how some of them have the damn nerve. It’s what the rest of us were saying two years ago (otherwise this site wouldn’t exist, apart from anything else). RIP Joy Stokes.
Stringer was, along with the rest of Labour, Gung Hoe for lockdowns. Now we have the politics! Boris wouldn’t have got away with it without Starmer, Krankie and whoever is supposed to be leading the old LibDems(Tories are the new LibDems).
How come some of us on here knew all this in March 2020 and yet Scientists didn’t? Well, some did, but they were excluded because their views didn’t fit the narrative.
Anyone who has read about the underlying issues knows that lockdowns were planned at least 10 years before 2020 and were used in a war game that was eerily Covid like only weeks before. Lockdowns were going to be used regardless of whether they worked and that was why Barrington, Heneghan et al were dismissed and pilloried.
Those who were responsible for those decisions must face trial. There are no two ways about that; they effectively committed manslaughter. Imagine how many people will die because they do not get diagnosed in time. How many died because they were refused treatment.
How many bumped themselves off!
You mean by The Rockefeller Foundation, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and George Soros and his Open Society. Isn’t it funny how Saint Floyd, BLM, wokery and mass illegal migration all blew up at the same time.
The one thing that strikes me is that no one seems to KNOW how respiratory diseases spread.
There are lots of people with theories, and simplistic assumptions that particles cannot travel 2 yards/20 yards/2 miles – but I do not think anyone has set up experiments to determine precisely how respiratory viruses travel between humans.
You would think that this would be an essential first step in determining what kinds of countermeasures are appropriate?
Unless they know that there is no such thing and revealing that would put a serious dent in the vaccine interests.
“The U.K. COVID-19 Inquiry must ask the question: why did we lockdown, not once but three times”
Because the government and the advisors they chose are all a-holes.
Not one, not one of these useless pos have had to suffer the consequences of what they inflicted on the rest of us.
Boris spent most of the time doing coke at no.10 interspersed with getting blowies off of hookers in the gardens.
MPs tell scientists, f you, we’ve got bribes to collect and vaccines to shift.
Another thing we conspiracy theorists have correctly predicted! We are so good at this!
Dr Woolhouse wrote a book to “elucidate” (about) the damage to people’s lives…wise after so many on this and other forums had “elucidated” months ago and way back into 2020. Maybe Dr Woolhouse has followed the discussions and many valuable links given btl. …in fact, there is a book written in these comments since April 2020. A ‘book’ written by people rather than an ‘expert’ ……the analysis within such a book to be forensically “elucidated” and compassionately conveyed.
He did indeed. I bought a copy of it, and scribbled down some comments.
pages 2 & 3
pages 4 & 5
So those are my comments on it.
Very interesting to read your comments!
‘I fear that these repeated lockdowns will go down as one of the worst public health measures ever undertaken.’
They will also go down as incredibly lucrative the ruling class, their pharma chums, track and trace chum, testing chums etc so will be used again.
Too much time spent analysing efficacy of lockdowns, cases, deaths, vaccines etc instead of looking at the bigger picture and true goals. Lockdowns were never about saving lives and a virus. They were to convince people and to get them running for the weapon in the arm and partly to get the ball rolling and provide a cover for the collapse and chaos we are now about to experience.
Didn’t a certain Mr Trump say “let’s not have the cure be worse than the disease”. I believe he was ridiculed and sneered at, Disgraceful.
5G. Where did it first get rolled out? Wuhan.
I believe the headline should read “The U.K. lockdowns cost more lives than they saved and this responsible should be held to account”. Their accountability should not cease at ethical considerations but should extend to criminal as well. All those involved in causing unnecessary and additional deaths and harm through lockdown policy advice were reasonably expected to conduct due diligence. They did not. Instead of rewarding people like Whitty with gongs, they should be struck off and investigated for criminal negligence. At the very least, these disgraced and shameless people like Ferguson should never work in their industries and professions again. If I had an employee as inept as they have proven themselves to be they would be disciplined and removed from employment.
”Inept”? Really? Not just deliberately and wickedly duplicitous because it was made worth their while?
This was always a pandemic of so called experts, most of who had never treated a patient but now had celebrity status. It was never a pandemic for children but yet today this group who have lost so much are being urged to have an experimental mRNA vaccine which is so poor in adults that Pfizer is suggesting a new version.
This is madness, we should not have Knighted Whitty et al but suspended them from practice ,prior to investigation.
…and the unnecessary deaths may well continue as people are forced into poverty as a result of lockdown and other government policies.
We are governed by people with no common sense, who cannot create anything other than chaos. These people go to university from school, then into politics abd government without any experience of real life or jobs in the private sector.
You seem to be suggesting that they’re all incompetent, and this happened accidentally because of that incompetence. Sort of lets them off the hook somewhat, because they must all be too stupid to understand the harm they do.
No suggestion of it being actually done deliberately, then?
Y’all should have asked us 18 months ago. Now get on with repealing the legislation that allowed it to happen.
At what point will these same scientists acknowledge the severe adverse events and deaths caused by these experimental biologicals which are not only unsafe, but also ineffective. We now know Pfizer knew, from their trial data, more died who were injected with the experimental biological than those who received a placebo. Also there are six pages of adverse events, many of them severe in nature. Why didn’t they share this information with the health authorities who issued the Emergency Use Authorisations. Or did they? If so, that would make matters much worse.
And STILL the madness persists as determinedly as ever in our professional and knowledgeable (protect the) NHS medical institutions, As THEY continue with their ridiculous enforcement of the wearing of surgical splashguard attire for all patients.
Not to mention the refusal of an MRI scan to the unstabbed. Yes thats right, happened to a friends daughter last weekend at the Mayday Hospital AKA The Croydon University Hospital.
No jab no scan!
This really does annoy and infuriate me beyond belief. They KNEW in Feb 2020 that this was not a significant disease and was impacting mostly those who were old and frail anyway thus enabling targeted protection. They HAD a pandemic plan based upon a respiratory disease theoretically far worse than this virus and yet they scared people to death (literally in the case of one of my closest friends), neglected people who needed ongoing care and treatment (my mother who sadly passed away in Dec 2020) and decimated lives – mine. They caused me cancer, a major operation to remove and now have a life long disability and am struggling to get my business back up and running.
I cannot forgive and I shall never forget. I will not sleep easy at night until the truth comes out and they are held to account. My fear is that this will be swept under the carpet like the last time the WHO and pharma tried it on – Swine Flu
Perhaps if they were being honest they’d have added: ”So in future we’ll ensure that everyone has a quacksine whether they like it or not”.
So are Whitty, Vallance, the BBC, etc goi g to be prosecuted, loose jobs, be pu itself fined? Are Johnson, Hancock etc going to be fired? Is anyone going to be made tp PAY for what millions of us knew? Who is going to apologise for the lives ruined in so many ways? U til there is retribution it’s all useless wordplay
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I am a little surprised that no-one has mentioned The World Health Assembly and the Pandemic Preparedness Treaty that they hope/expect to see approved in 2024.
Under the treaty they will declare Pandemics impose lockdowns ban drugs approve others etc etc and their directives will over-ride national governments in 199 countries.
Something to look forward to.
Tell me it won’t come about..
My comment on World Health Assembly’s Treaty on Pandemic Preparedness has been censored try this reference to it.
I think most people will be alarmed if they are allowed to learn about it.
No shit, Sherlock.
While it is very likely true that lockdown was not the best policy response to the first wave, it was an understandable reaction to the presence of a new virus that many feared was an artificial pathogen that would kill more than 1% of those exposed.
The scandal here is the suppression and vilification of actors that raised contradictory opinions: the authors of The Great Barrington Declaration; the proponents of lab leak theory; the voices saying that vaccines would not suppress virus spread, that lockdown was not associated with a reduced overall death rate, that the virus would naturally become more infectious but less deadly, that school closure would cause more harm than good and that rudimentary cloth and paper masks were unlikely to reduce viral spread.
The censorship (or resulting self-censorship) caused by the actions of OFCOM, newspaper regulators, and social media owners is very concerning.
I have lost count of the number of YouTubers who announced they were leaving the platform because of this issue. In the main, their warnings have turned out to be broadly correct. Ivor Cummings and Professor Sunetra Gupta are good examples of such suppressed voices.
Shame.