The latest U.K. Health Security Agency (UKHSA) Technical Briefing on variants of concern reports that the Omicron BA.2 variant, which is now dominant in the U.K. and in many countries around the world, is even milder than the original Omicron BA.1 variant, which was responsible for the very low death toll this winter.
The report states:
Analyses of sequenced cases up to March 8th 2022 have been undertaken to compare the risk of hospitalisation, as defined by admission as an inpatient, or presentation to emergency care that resulted in admission, transfer or death, following BA.2 compared to BA.1. This analysis adjusted for age, reinfection status, sex, ethnicity, local area deprivation and vaccination status. It also controlled for the effect of geography and specimen date. The risk of hospitalisation does not appear to be higher following a BA.2 infection than following a BA.1 infection (hazard ratio 0.94 95% CI: 0.88-1.00).
The hazard ratio of 0.94 means BA.2 comes with 6% lower risk of hospitalisation compared to BA.1. The 95% confidence interval (CI) of 0.88-1.00 means the researchers are 95% sure the variant is not a higher risk than BA.1, and it may be up to 12% lower. These figures are adjusted for confounders such as age and vaccination status, and also geography for some reason. Admittedly, it’s not a big drop, but it’s in the right direction, and it means up to 12% fewer people may be hospitalised in the current surge, which is a good thing.
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Pretty sure we shouldn’t be counting the amount of people who have a cold. Does anyone correlate high cases within 10 days of going on holiday, almost a ‘get it out the way to save my Easter break’ approach?
I think there is certainly a pandemic of Fake CoVid – paid week off work, or how to get out of doing what you don’t want to do. When anyone says they tested positive, who checks?
JUST TRUST THE SCIENCE
Been trusting it for years now – mind not following the ‘science’ according the BBC et al. Beyond tiresome this focusing on a cold. So mild you hardly know you’ve got it. Time to mask up and stay away from others in doors again apparently. Idiots.
The subject is nothing to to do with positive tests.
I decide what it has to do with.
What I’ve noticed more so from the triple jabbed is,”I’m going on holiday and therefore I am working from home so I do not risk a positive test”. 🙈
Well more fool them
They ought to be choosing designations that don’t require a test
Totally pathetic.
I have taken now, when being told of someone who has “got covid” of saying in response “you mean the re-branded flu”. Doesn’t always go down too well.
Asking them “How long did you have pneumonia for?” would go down even less well.
I had a great-aunt who couldn’t step in a puddle without telling people afterwards that she’d nearly drowned.
Perhaps part of the reason for the officially-encouraged testdemic is to keep people away from GPs and the holy NHS.
And then they try to trump you with “I know someone who’s died”. Asking them what were the deceased’s comorbidities winds them up even more🤣 These days you’ve got to get your fun where you can!
Since you mention the possibility that it is 12% lower risk (of hospitalisation) than BA.1, you should state this is just as likely 0% lower.
These 2 are at the ends of the 95% confidence interval, with equal probability.
Just to clarify…. when a sampling process is undertaken and a statistical analysis undertaken to arrive at a prediction. Given the sample size relative to the real population, there is some error, which is expressed using the CI.
So really, they are 95% confident that the answer lies between -12% and 0%.
Nothing else can be inferred.
Or, in other words, they haven’t got an effin clue, and the rest of us proles who have more than a brain cell to share between us and no need to prove our education was worth all the expense know it’s just a bad cough, at worst. Like all the rest of it over the last two years.
Yes they have a clue.
If you don’t have a clue go and read a book on sampling theory (It’s part of statistics subject) Should have nee covered in your education.
I am sure Marcus had his knee covered, that is surely how he knew.
nee, whatever that is.
Verbal punishment for those who do not provide a shrubbery.
Are these the same people who told us all to stay at home and save the NHS? Ah, oh, whoops.
Yeah – the NHS they seem determined to kill off, if you read what is on the govt website. Odd that, that you should want to “save” something you intend to get rid of.
“Sampling theory”
A theory.
The absolute risk of hospitalisation across the population is near zero, the Infection Mortality Rate is 0.15% or lower, so a 12% relative risk reduction reduces IMR to 0.13%… an absolute risk reduction of 0.02%.
Pass me a hair, the last one split.
If only people stopped treating CoV 2 like Bubonic Plague and understood it is a highly selective virus no risk to 99% of the population, then we could leave all this nonsense behind and get on with more important matters like starting WWIII in Eastern Europe.
Aren’t there some deckchairs to rearrange first, JXB?
And we need the band to strike up Nearer My God to thee.
Yes – good point – comparing two sub-subvariants by quoting a ratio between hospitalisation statistics that have been “adjusted for age”…well in certain circumstances that might be sensible, but it’s hardly so when you know that the large majority of those who’ve been recorded as seriously ill having received a positive test for either of them have been elderly.
When has there ever been a confidence interval mentioned relative to government propaganda?
Introduce it to climate change never mind covid, and the arguments all fall apart.
“Surge”?
Come on, Will.
It is clear that there are a huge number of covid cases around at the moment.
We’re lucky that Omicron variant just isn’t dangerous, otherwise we’d be in serious trouble.
But it isn’t dangerous, so we should all get back to living life.
Exactly, a “surge” of asymptomatic thingies.
We should never have stopped. None of this shit made any difference. Some of us didn’t stop, actually, as far as we were able. As for those still obsessed with the dangers of “covid”, they can jog on – remain obsessed to your heart’s content, but if you try to take my life away from me, don’t expect a friendly reaction.
Having “covid” in your head appears to be a thousand times worse than having it in your body.
As the madness continues downunder, “as far as we were/are able” is nowhere near far enough. I am happy to report growing irritation, contempt for politicians, and acts of defiance.
I should add, pour encourager les autres, successful defiance.
“Omicron BA.2 variant, which is now dominant in the U.K. and in many countries around the world, is even mildr than the original Omicron BA.1 variant……”
.. And yet, how many multiple jabbed are being hospitalised because of it?
.
Don’t worry about being left out.
If you are un-vaccinated, you have a much higher chance of being hospitalised.
Do your “statistics”, tree, and then get back to us.
Tree doesn’t even need to do that – he/she/it could simply read any one if the weekly data reports that have been highlighted on this blog over the past few months (sourced from the same organisation as this article).
I ❤️ tree; [she|he|they|+|..] [is|are|+|..] such a determined [one|many|+|..]
Yep it is all in these vaccine surveillance reports.
Just make sure you read them yourselves, as the articles posted on the subject always misrepresent the facts to support a false headline.
Here are some simple statistics for you, tree. Statistic your way out of this one:
Life expectancy, England and Wales:
2019: 81 years
2020: 81 years
2021: 81 years
Is there a pandemic in there somewhere? I’d love to know where.
I agree that you might as well read them yourself — so long as you actually read the data. I actually find the UKHSA reports remarkable — on one page they’ll say that the vaccines are 95% effective at preventing death (or some such), and then a few pages later they’ll report that death rates in the vaccinated are half those in the unvaccinated. Regardless, the risks in the vaccinated and unvaccinated are now sufficiently low to be of secondary importance to life’s risks in general.
@Tree – you wrote “if you are un-vaccinated, you have a much higher chance of being hospitalised“. That is FALSE. It suggests an extremely poor understanding of both logic and probability.
Not according to ONS data.
‘What is “ONS”? Some right-wing Trump-loving Conspiracy Theorist website?’
just saving tree a bit of finger work…
No-one on this site has done a tour of all the hospitals of the UK in one day, asking patients what they are in for, so no-one really knows what the situation is regarding ‘hospital statistics’.
And even if they could achieve this remarkable feat, a spot-check of what’s what, there is still no real proof of who is in hospital ‘with’ Covid or ‘because’ of Covid, or whether they’ve not been ‘vaccinated’ and that has something to do with it, or been ‘vaccinated’ once, twice, or three times. And on top of that, with which ‘vaccines’.
All this ‘statistics’ is hearsay. In a real pandemic people would not be going to supermarkets, pubs, restaurants or garden centres. There is no ‘pandemic’ – it’s just a scare story to allow the Government to have the population dance at the ends of their puppet strings. Why are borders between countries ‘closed’ yet people within countries free to move around and ‘spread the virus’?
How about all the products from China? Open the box or packet and out pop millions of virus particles! Why have governments not made a ban on opening stuff Made in China?
There certainly is a problem with context in the covid stats — we’re at the point where there might well be x thousand new cases per day, but there clearly aren’t many people becoming ill.
The medical profession works on a “Cover Your A*se” basis.
Straightaway, that gives you statistics that are Soviet-style.
😂😂😂
Tree old thing – since all this started, I personally know NO ONE who has died of covid. I know people whose elderly parents have died with covid – I think I know 3 or 4. I know one person who’s friend from uni died of/with covid but I wasn’t so crass as to ask it they were fat/diabetic/whatever because my friend was sad and that would have been rude. We haven’t lost a SINGLE old churchgoer.
I do, however, have two friends who had heart attacks in their early 50s, one a fit walker type female. Which is unusual. I have a friend whose 13 year old had a heart rate go from 70 to 140 going from bed to the toilet 4 days after being jabbed with Fizzer. I have a student who had to have three weeks off school after her second dose of Fizzer. I have another student who had a whole body skin reaction ‘like an allergy’ after her booster (because yeah, its sensible to give 18 years olds a booster) I have an adult student who developed heart failure after covid infection… oh wait. also THREE DOSES of FIZZER.
And one of my best friend died of bowel cancer which was diagnosed in September and dead by December.
Tree – don’t you DARE tell me about hospitalisation. I would rather die unjabbed when they poison us than pretend this is a real virus.
I didn’t know anyone who had covid prior to the roll-out of the jabs. However since then I know of many who had ‘covid’ all double/triple jabbed
Sez it all really.
Not if you have naturally acquired immunity, which recognises and can mount a response to all and any variants, and is far superior to anything a jab can offer. Furthermore, a high level of vitamin D will also prevent you from A) catching and B) developing severe covid.
Check those facts tree.
There really isn’t much in it. Certainly if you’re under 65 then vaccination now gives very little protection from hospitalisation with covid (it might as well be zero).
Are you ‘Leek’ in disguise.
Whoever you are why don’t you p!ss off. You oxygen thief
Not according to ONS data.
What data are you referring to exactly?
I suspect that the entire BA2 wave is occurring because of the high levels of vaccination in the country.
Actual words from the report……………….
The risk of hospitalisation does not appear to be higher following a BA.2 infection than following a BA.1 infection (hazard ratio 0.94 95% CI: 0.88-1.00).
Meaning?
I thought your recent article quoting the woman from the same organisation stated that we had to be frightened again, and hide from our fellow humans.
Which is it UKHSA, panic or just get on with life?
If already mild CoV 2 keeps getting milder, it will soon have health giving properties.
I don’t think tree would believe you.
tree doesn’t need to believe anyone. He/She/They/+ has/have/+ The Science on his/her/their/+ side.
Perhaps they just need a hug.
Your 77th Brigade, or whatever they’re called, clearly got bored with simple downvoting.
If you could remove acquired immunity (vaccine and recovering from infection), you would find out how much milder.
Answer milder than Delta, but similar to all the others.
It’s the population that has got stronger, really.
Thank vaccines.
But for the small matter that they aren’t actually vaccines. They’re untested mRNA therapies which received Emergency Approval on the basis of specious “science”.
Steady! “The Science”! Next tree will be asking for evidence to prove your unsubstantiated statement.
GVB and others may beg to differ – and they said that 2 years ago.
Science appears to suggest they may well be correct :-
https://www.authorea.com/users/455597/articles/552937-innate-immune-suppression-by-sars-cov-2-mrna-vaccinations-the-role-of-g-quadruplexes-exosomes-and-micrornas
Time will tell.
That’s an interesting point.
A partner question might be ‘how mild would a common cold (coronavirus or rhinovirus) infection be if you could remove acquired immunity’. I suggest that it would actually be rather more dangerous than we generally think.
But the nation does have massive levels of acquired immunity and so we should just stop worrying about it.
4th booster anybody?
What’s the denominator – known infections? If so, then the population for the BA.2 statistic is likely to be much iller than the population for the BA.1 one – for the simple reason that every Tom, Dick, or Harriet who is as fit as a fiddle (at least physically) isn’t being encouraged to grab free test kits before eventually wetting themselves when their dream comes true and the line comes up in the “wrong” place.
I doubt omicron of any sub-subvariant has ever caused a single case of Covid. It doesn’t affect the lower respiratory tract. It causes a cold, not double pneumonia.
Read the report and it will become clear.
Just throwing around words like “denominator” is meaningless without knowedge.
If it’s clear to you, then why don’t you answer the question? Or here’s a questionnaire:
Is the denominator the estimated number of known infections?
[YES / NO – it’s [write here what it is] / DON’T KNOW]
Maybe tree is trying to tell us, in a roundabout way, that he doesn’t know what denominator means?
He also doesn’t know how to spell “knowledge”.
His first attempt at his handle ‘three’ failed as well.
have you not copped on yet tree?
You can post and post until your heart’s content on this article and many others on this site, and the chances of you influencing anyone successfully are zero, nil, nul, rien du tout, nada
They must be laughing at SAGE – they introduce the ‘Omicron’ variant… everyone jokes and says it’s an anagram of ‘moronic’…. yet, months later they are discussing ‘Omicron’ as if it really exists! ‘Moronic’ indeed!
Think about it.
Quite. I’m sick to the back teeth of correcting people when they use the word “covid”. Basically no one has had covid-19 this year.
PS, please no one feed the prolific trolls that have appeared recently. Either down-vote and ignore, or if deserved ridicule appropriately, but please don’t try to argue with these creatures. To quote Mark Twain…
sorry too late. I r a snowflake an it hurt my FEELINGS
This is no evidence that it’s milder for individuals who have not been exposed to previous strains of the virus. Such previous immunity will be the most significant confounding variable.
Fortunately, there is practically no-one left who won’t have been exposed by now.
I hadnt had any illness at all since on bloody holiday in 2018, and had omicron last month. It was just normal classic cold symptoms and i have had far, far worse colds/flu before.
How do you know it was ‘omicron’?
well i had the thing that makes a dodgy chinese test make a little red line. mrs is nhs and she had tested after symptoms. few days later i had cold symptoms and i tested just out of curiosity.
I’ve had nothing significant since ‘Russian flu’ 1977. It was quite nasty and seems to have affected mostly the under-25s.
Far more QALYs to be lost from that type of flu than a virus which affects people who are already ill and don’t know it … many people have a stroke or heart attack ‘out of the blue’ but it’s likely their metabolic health was already awful.
In a recent UK study, didn’t they deliberately try to infect people who hadn’t had the virus or a so-called vaccine, and 45% of them didn’t catch it. So 45% of us probably had cross-immunity from a different coronavirus or had it before it was supposed to be in the population. I’m putting myself in that group because I don’t seem able to catch it even when around infectious people. I did have a strange cold from Portugal in January 2020, perhaps that was it.
It seems to me that the critical point is that so-called vaccinated acquaintances now seem to be catching it (with symptoms) every three months. I understand that the tests are shit, but these people have positive tests and symptoms and they spread it. Is there any data comparing reinfection between experimental vax test subjects and the uninflected? It raises all the warning flags when 45% seemingly had long lasting prior immunity but the so-called vaccinated are getting it multiple times per year.
Going to copy/paste a comment I made the other day, as it’s specifically relevant here:
Dr David Martin on the Stew Peters show.
“When you hear BA2 variant, which is now the latest campaign of terror, recognise something very clearly, this new variant is not an alteration of a natural mutation of any viral model, this is what’s happening when we have human beings turning into perpetual spike protein manufacturing facilities. We will have variant upon variant upon variant and these are going to be coming from injected people who are allegedly coming down with covid, these are not diseases born of a natural virus, these are premeditated acts of engineered pathogenicity, where we are now allowing the human organism to become a bio-weapon’s factory itself.”
Who needs a virus when the spike protein does all the work?
So mild, you need a test to know you have it……
Still hasn’t been isolated.
This is an excellent documentary series looking at the covid fraud, episode one is free and they look at the isolation con.
https://paradigmshift.uscreen.io/catalog
Omicron variant, of whatever flavour, appears to be markedly less dangerous than prior variants.
This should be enough to get everyone to relax about Covid, but apparently there are many that would like the mania to continue.
Just stop testing and counting. No one will notice. Really.
Unless the goal is to perpetuate a state of fear in the citizenry.
Which would mean your real adversary is the citizenry.
In the UK people will have to buy a test from Friday instead of being handed one from the taxpayer’s pocket, so they’re rushing to get them now.
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The experts and authorities will tout the this new variant as “highly infectious” without mentioning the mildness.
Not sure if this has been posted already …
Taylor Hawkins: Foo Fighters’ drummer dies sudeenly aged just 50
Now I’m sure the Foo Fighters were all pro-vacine and all had had their jabs – in fact the Foo Fighters were one of the bands who played a show for a vaccinated-only crowd.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60884259
The Shane Warne of the music industry? I wouldn’t be surprised.
Given the proclivity of musicians for various forms of, ahem, chemical entertainment, however, perhaps this time the vax is innocent.
“You have to ask yourself, ‘Where are we heading?’ ”
(…)
“The virus of eugenics. It’s never gone away.”
Some words by Vera Sharav, in a 10-minute video. This deserves circulation – including to children, young adults, and everybody else.
Her Wikipedia entry doesn’t even mention Covid!
Thank you, Star – have just done so.
Her point regarding the eugenicists’ sense of their own superiority is vital. Has anyone ever known of eugenicists who believed that they and their progeny should be culled?
What? Do you mean to say that all those ‘THIS TIME IT’S REAL’ headlines and assurances that we’ll all be rooned were just hot air and BS?
Again?
That idiotic Dr Susan Hopkins from the previous post obviously doesn’t read the technical briefings from her own organisation!
She just opens her gob to change her feet. Whatever the female version of a bellend is, she’s one.
“The 95% confidence interval (CI) of 0.88-1.00 means the researchers are 95% sure the variant is not a higher risk than BA.1…”
Woops. Actually it means they are 95% sure the variant is between those figures, so there is a 5% chance that it is either more than 1.00 or below 0.88. The chance of it being a higher risk is 2.5% not 5%.