This week, Zero Covid proponents such as anthropologist Devi Sridhar have been out in force to try to save their legacy and regain control of the narrative by rewriting history. Toby Green in UnHerd takes them to task.
The past two days have seen sorties from scientists desperate to shore up the lockdown version of history. Lockdowns were necessary, and anyone who disagrees does not care about society or equality. This version of history is so fraudulent that it cannot be allowed to triumph.
Writing in the Guardian yesterday, Devi Sridhar asks: “Why can’t some scientists just admit they were wrong about Covid?” Why indeed? Sridhar notes that scientists have divided into opposing camps, taking “particular pandemic positions…eventually building a base of followers that organise around that position and defend it viciously.” She just doesn’t seem to recognise that this neatly describes her own approach.
Sridhar’s piece is a craven attempt to rewrite history by claiming that the Zero Covid position was only ever intended for the pre-vaccine era. Can this be the same Sridhar who said in a New Statesman interview in January 2021 that “the better option is to eliminate the virus” – even after vaccines had started to be rolled out? Or who tweeted in June 2020 that “the fastest way to get economy & normal life back is to push for a ZERO Covid Britain. Clear virus, build domestic economy”? Still, as far as Sridhar’s concerned, if anyone got anything wrong, it wasn’t her.
Green also notes that Independent SAGE member Kit Yates claimed in the British Medical Journal this week that lockdowns were necessary to protect the NHS and vulnerable members of society. Those who disagree with this, he argues, do not “place the lives of the most vulnerable high on their list of priorities” or “place a high worth on the long term health of their population”. Green is having none of it.
Sadly for Yates, his article was published on the very day that Sir Chris Whitty admitted that the long-term health of children had suffered and their life expectancies were lower through increasing obesity brought on by lockdowns. With NHS cancer backlogs projected to last for a decade, it doesn’t seem that this “long-term health of the population” and “protecting the NHS” works out very well for Yates and his ilk. …
Meanwhile, 40% of Covid deaths in the West took place in care homes. Far from protecting the vulnerable, lockdown policies did not even protect the most vulnerable. Meanwhile, they have rendered hundreds of millions of people newly vulnerable. That is their legacy, and those who advocated hardest for them must not be allowed to escape it.
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Guardian. Says it all.
The Graniad is always first for fakenews.
I could respond to your “Graniad” with my “Grannyad” but would be invoking Muphrey’s Law.
“anyone who disagrees does not care about society or equality”
Well I am not at all sure I care about society or equality, certainly much less than I care for myself and my immediate family. I suppose I care about society and equality in so far as those things affect my own quality of life. I am afraid I am now very wary of anyone who claims to altruistically care about society and equality to the detriment of their own wellbeing, especially when that “caring” involves poking their nose into my business/screwing up normal human life for everyone.
Exactly. ‘Society’ stopped giving a chuff about me a long time ago, and me about it.
Just pure inane sophistry – ‘does not care about society or equality’ is meaningless without context. The context is that the old and frail can be protected, but not by lockdowns and nonsense restrictions but by investment in their care and support. Just lost a good friend this week – end of life and covid on his death certificate. The struggle we had in getting his needs met by the NHS was harrowing and he suffered needlessly. Did he die of covid? No; he caught it in hospital and was already seriously unwell. Sridhar and her ilk are the problem and the ones who do not care about society and equality as they have no idea of what that actually means and is.
World renowned ‘scientist’ Devi Sridhar slagging off other scientists in the Guardian. If she’s so sure of herself why doesn’t she write an academic paper? She could get Owen Jones and Piers Morgan to review it
I would be interested to know what her credentials are for holding forth on science. I wonder if she can define what a woman is.
I daresay she’s a top-notch academic, even if an American who’s beguiled Caviar Sturgeon, but she knows sweet FA about that on which she seeks to domineer and pontificate. As with so many of these people now rewriting and, to a tiny degree recanting, she is wholly deficient in both humanity and honesty.
A copper-bottomed creepy person, who I could imagine hanging around Biden and Fauci, if that role wasn’t already packed out with Devi clones.
If someone has to guilt trip people into agreeing with them, one can safely assume they have no real argument.
What if people do not place the lives of the vulnerable high on their list of priorities? The reality is, most of us (in truth: all of us) place the lives of those we hold nearest and dearest highest on the list of priorities. If there is someone vulnerable amongst them, then yes, we would set greater store by looking after the vulnerable, simply because it hits closer to home.
Looking after the vulnerable is a fine ideal, but it seems to imply that all priority should go to them, and no attention should be paid to those not deemed vulnerable. The non/less-vulnerable in society also need looking after lest they become vulnerable. And if the strong become vulnerable, who is left to look after the vulnerable? It is a simplistic notion stated by people who themselves probably couldn’t care less about anyone else, only proclaiming their love for mankind when necessary to fool gullible, sentimental people into giving them something they want, usually power and access to someone else’s money.
As for Shridhar – surely even an anthropologist should know that humans seldom wipe out viruses, that it tends to be the other way around? She really does make me think “follow the money”, who encouraged her to spout the zero covid nonsense?
“if you don’t agree with me then you don’t care about grannies” – its about the nadir of the scientific method and rigorous debate.
Kit Yates is a fraud – he/she/it doesn’t have a proper argument. If it did, then it would use it
I don’t agree with him – and he and his sort killed all the grannies anyway.
This is especially evil since lockdown did kill Granny and tortured those not immediately killed
Absolutely, but rather than just safely assume, one might need to rebut it as the pathetic ruse that it is.
“SARS-CoV-2 elimination, not mitigation, creates best outcomes for health, the economy, and civil liberties”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00978-8/fulltext#%20
Devi Sridhar at her lying best
Some total Cnut should write a paper on tidal elimination.
No wonder she’s the go-to guru for Oberleutnant Krankie.
Kit Yates paper referenced above
“Despite the clear downsides, there is still a strong argument to suggest the first lockdown was necessary in order to save lives and to prevent the NHS from becoming even more overstretched than it eventually was. Modelling from Imperial College London suggested at the time that………” – no point reading further.
I seem to remember Unherd removing 400 comments (where comments are usually polite) when she was interviewed by Freddie Sayer in the summer of 2020. A remarkable number of people were already on to her – but she is a fragile thing.
1) she is not a scientist
2) she told children on Newsround that the Covid-19 vaccines are 100% safe, that children should have the vaccine to protect their parents, and that the benefits to children outweigh any risks
She should never show her face in public again. And be made to look at the photos of the dead and injured children every day and think about what she has done.
Why do you think left-leaning champions of equality would care about individual people? Shridhar would probably put them (the photos) in an album to boast about her achievments in this respect.
all her slaves will be equal.
She will just be more equal.
Retry as that’s really fundamental: The notion of human equality as a goal to achieve is fundamentally inhuman because it’s based on denying that humans are naturally unequal, ie, that individuals are actually individuals and valuable as such, instead of being faceless (worker) robots all cast from the same mould.
she puts photos of her dinner on her twitter feed
she has no background in any of this apart from being a friend of the clintons
she is self-promoted far beyond her limited abilities. a charlatan and a liar. her method of trying to get people on her side is to have a rainbow badge and be solidly on the left. there’s no way she knows what a woman is. it would alienate her retarded supporters
there’s no way she knows what a woman is
I’m pretty sure that she wouldn’t want to bed a self-declared trans-woman. That’s something other people are supposed to believe in.
No wonder she and Sturgeon are besties.
anyone who disagrees does not care about society or equality
I do care about society, just not about the kind of society Kit Yates would like to see our’s transformed to. And people are not equal. Claiming otherwise is denying their individuality and any value derived from that as this boils down to considering them nothing more than livestock. Less than livestock, actually, because non-human animals are supposed to have individual rights(!).
She looks like she has very long covid. Maybe she is just losing the argument.
Folks, you’ve really got to read and share this. For my money, it’s the most plausible explanation of the WEFs grand scheme that I’ve read, real food for thought. Endorsed by one Robert Malone too. https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/uncovering-the-corona-narrative?s=r
Only one word for Dr Malone WOW definitely food for thought.
Thank you Neil
Well good on DS and Will for putting this up. Sridhar is a horrible piece of work, the very definition of an oxygen thief.
Now how do Sridhar and Yates reverse ferret again when Billy’s new brew gets released?
Fortunately these pronouncements confirm that they are decidedly not worth the time of day and from here on their pronouncements are worthless.
At least Will provided a chuckle.
Cheers.
If I recall correctly, we’ve got a couple among us that have been ‘keeping a list’ of these people from the early days. I think it’s time to put all this together in a single page to never forget their names and roles.
“Sridhar was born and raised in Miami, Florida in an Indian family.
Born 1984, she is an American public health researcher, who is both professor and chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, Scotland.”
“Sajid Javid (born 1969) is a British politician who has been Secretary of State for health and Social Care since June 2021.
Born in Rochdale, Lancashire, to a British Pakistani family.”
“Mair Eluned Morgan, Baroness Morgan of Ely (born 16 February 1967) is a Welsh Labour politician serving as Minister for Health and Social Services in the Welsh Government since 2021.”
How do some of these thickos get these jobs?
Here’s a conundrum for you. Who’s the most loathsome out of Devi Sridhar, Nicola Sturgeon and Jacinda Ardern? I think we can safely say that, loathsome as she is, Sridhar has to come third, but for the life of me I cannot choose between Sturgeon and Ardern. These have to be the two most most revolting women in politics.
Since I posed the question, I’ll opt for Ardern, with Sturgeon a close second.
And for good measure, check out this nonentity. Apparently a former ‘Conservative,’ this deranged specimen embodies all that is dumb and wrong with contemporary culture and politics.
Whoever coined, and I paraphrase, ‘If women ran the world everything would be wonderful’ needs a dry slap. Ditto everyone who repeats it.
That drooling imbecile used to be my MP.
The electorate punished the Tories by electing a Labour MP in the by-election that followed her resignation because she hadn’t been made a minister.
“Mensch erroneously stated that Piers Morgan had written in his autobiography about conducting phone hacking while he was the editor of the Daily Mirror.When challenged on CNN by Morgan, Mensch cited the protection of parliamentary privilege and declined either to withdraw the allegation or to repeat it. She later apologised to Morgan, and stated that she had misread a newspaper report about his book.
Three days after the hearing, Mensch received an email that alleged, among other things, that she had taken drugs and danced while drunk with violinist Nigel Kennedy at a club in Birmingham in the 1990s. Mensch publicly released the email, stating that the allegations were “highly probable” but said that she regretted only that others had to see her dancing and that she would not be deterred from asking further questions about phone hacking. Members of the Parliamentary committee denounced the attempt to intimidate Mensch, who subsequently admitted in The Sunday Times that she had used class A drugs“
You poor souls. Did you all throw a party when the fruitcake emigrated to the US?
Didn’t the Greeks reckon there were three Harpies?
Ah yes, the female monsters of Greek mythology. I’m not sure it was strictly three, but yes, we have three harpies above, four including the lunatic in the attached screenshot.
Ardhern, because she’s always chomping at the bit.
Nipoleon would be equal second with, a glaringly omitted, Fond-of-Lying.
Dreary, disastrous Devi wouldn’t even make the podium, in lowly fourth.
Fair enough. Who am I to argue with you, my friend? I’ll take that.
Thanks, MR.
To be fair, all four of them make my skin crawl.
I know what you mean. Ghastly creatures.
The we is noteworthy here. So Mensch is now in the Ukraine and fighting? Somehow, I don’t reallty believe that.
Blimey, she’s a sandwich short…
I’m not a violent person but it would take
significant personal restraint not to repeatedly punch the utter c^%t Yates should I ever have the misfortune of being anywhere near him. What a contemptuous, snivelling little shit he is. As for Schrider, she’s a narcissist who just seeks out attention, however it comes. Any attention is good attention for a narcissist like her. Lacking in self awareness and empathy, she’s a vacuous void.
For God’s sake don’t hold back – just say what you really mean.
The long march through the institutions…
“A professor has called out Good Morning Britain after her full title was not shown on screen but her male counterpart’s was.
On the ticker displaying information about the guests speaking in a debate about coronavirus, professor of oncology Angus Dalgleish was labelled as such whereas professor Devi Sridhar, who is also the chair of global public health at Edinburgh University, was labelled as just Devi Sridhar.”
https://www.indy100.com/news/gmb-today-professor-devi-sridhar-b1940888
Don’t forget this purveyor of falsehoods: Dr Hilary Jones.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/07/12/dr-hilary-dangerous-lies-and-big-pharma-ties/
An excellent piece from citizenjournos.
https://citizenjournos.com/2021/11/17/devi-sridhar-gets-it-wrong-again/
“This all points to Devi not being about the truth and facts but being all about the narrative and agenda.”
We live in a world where what is normal is defined as extreme and what is extreme is defined a normal.
Julia Hartley-Brewer challenges Rishi Sunak: ‘Define what a woman is?’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDQpWiPbB4
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Legend has it Sturgeon’s husband walked into a pub one night looking sad. The barman asked him what he was having, and he replied, Oh, just a beer.’ The barman said, ‘What’s wrong, big man?’ Scotland’s male first lady replied, ‘My wife and I got into a fight, and she said she wouldn’t talk to me for a month.’ The man behind the jump said, ‘Aye? So what’s wrong with that?’ And he replied, ‘The month is up tonight.’
Nicola in her usual jaunty manner, says to the chauffeur :
“You get out and check – you were driving.”
The chauffeur gets out, checks and reports that the animal is dead.
“You were driving, go and tell the farmer,” says Nicola, ”I can’t afford to be blamed for anything.”
The chauffeur walks up the drive to the farmhouse and returns five hours later totally plastered, his hair ruffled and with a big grin on his face.
“My God, what happened to you ?” asks Nicola.
The chauffeur replies : ” When I got there, the farmer opened his best bottle of single malt whisky, the wife gave me a slap-up meal and the daughter made love to me.”
“What on earth did you say?” asks Nicola.
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I don’t normally do this, but:
Well, I like fax, not vax!
My favourite picture of Devi. That poor frightened little rabbit look. Just before getting boostered. Lovely
Writing in the Guardian yesterday, Devi Sridhar asks: “Why can’t some scientists just admit they were wrong about Covid?”
reminds me of that meme whereby after taking 1,2 and 3 jabs the person looks at the unjabbed and says “just die already”
This re writing of history while looking stupid at the moment, is potentially going to get easier with tech advancing and for example paper book printing falling, you can just imagine a future whereby all news is digital and the unflattering narrative is erased for a new one.
Green also notes that Independent SAGE member Kit Yates claimed in the British Medical Journal this week that lockdowns were necessary to protect the NHS and vulnerable members of society. Those who disagree with this, he argues, do not
“place the lives of the most vulnerable high on their list of priorities” or “place a high worth on the long term health of their population”
yes but restrictions have prevented precisely F*** all, I know people who are dying and a person who has passed because they did not recieve any treatment for 2 plus years.
Sadly there will be many more stories like this
Slightly OT, but speaking of propaganda and utter bollocks, please tell me this isn’t Ukranian officials themselves taking a video game and claiming it’s actually happening in Ukraine, with the ‘heroes,’ naturally, being the Ukranians.
https://youtu.be/gG1prld0bAA
To me, DS looks like one of those folks who has never found any real joy in anything. Get her a proper meal with a lovely pudding and make her go for a walk on the beach in the sun.
There’s a lampost with her name on it…
I am angry who do these horrible people think they are these are our lives, and we did not elect these fascists to control our lives
lockdowns simply do not work if they did Peru and others would not have done so bad and as for masks for a virus with a 0000.01 particles how would a mask stop them a bit like a chained wall stopping mosquitoes,
out today first work this morning crowded bus quite a few masked, this is disappointing so many still believe the daily propaganda masks work , and a few businesses near me Starbucks, cafe Nero , and quite a few where sitting wearing masks in Starbucks,
they are evil these people do not care about normal working class people or single mums on benefits they do not exist in their world .
lockdown hardly affected these people as they never had to worry about losing income, or not being able to work and do not have children,
just so angry these people are still around could they not resign in late 2020 , Boris sturgeon and Drakeford they are all a disgrace,
Yet any inquiry will probably not happen, so even if it does it probably will be in about 30 Years time long after some have died , like the vaccine it has so far not worked it cannot stop variants, or the transmission
and thousands are in hospital double jabbed and triple jabbed yet it works , so it will be that way no one at least among work colleagues family aunt , mother uncle actually questions it not working and cannot connect the dots, so it will go on ,
I am angry about our cowardly public who most young old , wear a mask outside watch the BBC , Sky News take a experimental genre therapy those under 43 as over 40 with no children it is neigh impossible to get pregnant, and still some I know mostly told me they took it to not miss out on doing normal things going clubbing seeing family , hugging friends and going aboard
I asked one colleague single just broke up with her boyfriend in June 2021 have you had the vaccine they said they had two , why I asked why they had it for any particular reason they looked slim no underlying health issues no obesity or diabetes in their family, simply they could not answer to go aboard and would not be able to they also mentioned to get their freedoms back ,
You could not make it up .
Devi Sridhar has the same success in presenting her scientific credentials as the Italy mens football team has in qualifying for the last and next football world cups.
Chris Whitty the bastard who pays these horrible people to say such things said we will have more Covid waves, and That we will have more waves for three Years I hate this lot, can they must be hung oh much mental health damage will they wreck in our lives .
Absolutely agree. However, even Toby Green falls into the Care House trap, being shocked that 40% of Covid deaths occurred in them. Has he ever visited a care home? They’re literally full of people who are going to die soon, even outwith a pandemic . A happy hunting ground for a virus like SARS -COV2. The idea that you can isolate such people and (crucially) their carers is a fantasy, and it is dishonest to pretend otherwise.
From the CBI website: “Devi Sridhar is a Professor at the University of Edinburgh where she holds a Personal Chair in Global Public Health. She is Founding Director of the Global Health Governance Programme and holds a Wellcome Trust Investigator Award.”
Global Public Health, Global Health Governance and Wellcome Trust tells you all you need to know about this corrupt piece of shit and who she’s really working for.
Frail and elderly and vulnerable. How many did we let die alone, devoid of love and attention.
“We let them die alone”. I can’t believe we did this.
All involved, Gov, medics, care givers and to a large degree relatives are all responsible.
As far as I’m concerned the country that nurtured me and to which I owe allegiance died in March 2020. And will never recover to be the same again.
These people should be locked up for the damage they have caused to the health and well being of the nation. Zero Covid policy and cloud cuckoo land have a degree of similarity. People were ignored that knew this wouldn’t work about 2 years ago. The knowledge in public health they have cane be summed up in one word – none. The evidence in how bad they got it wrong is well publicised
Anthropologist, therefore Covid expert. Got it.