UKHSA Efficacy Stats Death Watch: Week 48

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Not much has changed in the UKHSA Week 48 Covid vaccine surveillance report. Cases by vaccination status:

We see continued improvement in infection rates in the 80+ vaccinated cohort, extending to the those in their 70s as well. This is very likely down to the booster campaign, and it’s more or less what we’d have expected: the vaccines provide protection that after some months appears to decay to the point of negative efficacy. The boosters then bring you back into positive territory, for a time. 

Of course the offending numbers are still greyed out:

While UKHSA objections to the reliability of the relative rates apply to every second column reporting “rates among persons not vaccinated”, you’ll notice they only grey out the statistics that are unfavourable to the vaccines. The other columns, which according to their own arguments are equally unreliable, can be printed in ordinary typeface. 

The new 60-day death rate by vaccination status also shows a slight improvement in the vaccinated 80+ bracket. They’re now doing slightly better than unvaccinated 70 year-olds: 

Finally, the death numbers:

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Redge
Redge
4 years ago

Sorry for appearing stupid, in the final graph where do you get the figures?

Thanks

hadenoughcrap
hadenoughcrap
4 years ago

I thought a vaccine was to stop you getting the disease in the first place, silly me

hadenoughcrap
hadenoughcrap
4 years ago

What’s that’s saying, there are lies damned lies and statistics

marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

What a load of baloney. Everyone over 80 drank the koolaid. 70-80 nearly all. Anyone know somebody in either age group who did not drink the koolaid? No, me neither.

sskinner
sskinner
4 years ago

Oh dear.

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

The old bat
The old bat
4 years ago

One thing I find strange is that I don’t know, personally, anyone who has had covid. Yes, friends of friends or perhaps someone who lives in my village, but I don’t know any ‘sufferers’ closely enough to ask them, for example, what it was like, how ill did they feel etc. You’d think, for such an allegedly virulent virus, there would be loads. I am retired and live rurally, so that may have some bearing. However, I do know someone who had a stroke after vaccination, go figure. I have had 2 Pfizer vaccines – I had them hoping foreign travel would be easy (as promised). I wish I had done more research beforehand. Truthfully I have never felt the same since, and as I already had a heart problem, I feel it has been exacerbated by the vaccine. I refuse to have any boosters. Probably a bit off topic

MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago

The latest EudraVigilance figures came out today. I have summarised these with Friday’s adverse reactions from UK (Yellow Cards) and yesterday’s USA (VAERS) in one simple table. The Acrobat file (VaxSummary.pdf) and other bits and pieces can be found in a shared folder here which is kept up to date.

Let’s put these deaths into perspective.
A typical 747 jumbo jet carries 350-450 passengers.
The total deaths so far in the UK are worse than 4 jumbo jet disasters – in under 1 year.
The deaths in USA are currently equivalent to 1 jumbo jet disaster per week!
The deaths in Europe are currently equivalent to 2 jumbo jet disasters per week!

What sort of outcry would there be about such accidents? Yet these jabs are deliberate!

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milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

And these are just the reported numbers! They are probably no more than 10% of the reality!
These organisations were established not to record every adverse response (inc death), but to act as an early-warning system to highlight dangerous drugs. They have actually succeeded in their purpose, but governments world-wide have seen fit to ignore the data – why?

MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

That’s right. We don’t know exactly the level of under-reporting, but we can make a stab at it using the leaked document from Pfizer from phase 2 trials.
There were 1,223 fatalities out of 42,086 cases. Allowing for age standardised mortality (I get 996), the deaths due to the jabs are 227. That is 1 in 185. The USA is, on average, reporting 1 in 10,978 deaths.
If the test sample was representative, that suggests only 1.6% are being reported!

sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Hi Mike,
I am not doubting your numbers, but how do you reconcile the reported Eudravigilance deaths that you have, with the EMA safety reports on each of the vaccines, which are about 1/3 of the number (though still bloody awful, at around 1 in 30,000 – far higher than many people’s chances of catching and dying from COVID in the few weeks duration in which a vaccine might give any semblance of protection).
Thanks

MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

First of all, I present the risk per 2 jabs. That represents a fully-jabbed victim. Then, if you look at the Acrobat file in the link, the second page has a chart of risk vs. time. Around May/June, the 3 week average risk was around 2/3 of the rolling average. So 1/2 times 2/3 = 1/3!
Always look out for cherry-picked data from those who have vested interests!

sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Sorry maybe I wasn’t clear. On the EMA safety report for Pfizer for example for early Nov, there are only about 5.5k deaths reported, from memory.

Why might it be different?

i probably got back to this too late for you to see it, I will message as well.

MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

There is indeed an issue here of death count versus count of reactions associated with a death. I have messaged you.

Schrodinger
Schrodinger
4 years ago

Not yet peer reviewed but……

Latest statistics on England mortality data suggest systematic mis-categorisation of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccination.

“With these considerations in mind we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination.”

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356756711_Latest_statistics_on_England_mortality_data_suggest_systematic_mis-categorisation_of_vaccine_status_and_uncertain_effectiveness_of_Covid-19_vaccination

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

‘This is very likely down to the booster campaign, and it’s more or less what we’d have expected: the vaccines provide protection that after some months appears to decay to the point of negative efficacy.’

In the USA Fauci changed the PCR cycle rates for the vaxxed to 28 down from 40+ so as to guarante that the vax appeared to work, I assume our criminal government has done something similar?

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

We will never be told but given the regimes lying track record its safe to assume that is the case.

BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago

Pfizer knew by the end of February 2021 from its own data that the risk of death from its product was 3% for an infection with a 99.7% survival rate…. They were also aware of the types of adverse events but labelled these as nothing to see, keep observing… As published in their own post marketing report…
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

George L
George L
4 years ago

I ask myself.. why on earth would I believe anything from an official body like the UKHSA when their track record, as well as every other government body in the UK has been obfuscation and lies regarding this alleged pandemic from day one.

Not only that its known worldwide by those that are awake that the wretched injections are killing people because they contain toxic materials. Therefore any authority coercing people into a dangerous medical procedure are hardly going to be telling the participants are they..

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Why is a sceptic mag treating a criminal regimes data as if it were true and accurate?

George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Exactly..

BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

Many people I know seem to have endless colds and coughs since taking the vax.

Clarisse
Clarisse
4 years ago

Sorry about your missing brain, happens to the best of us 😉

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

BJ has a brain, it is honesty, integrity and a moral compass that he lacks.

Clarisse
Clarisse
4 years ago

Nothing against all this talk about the statistics, but we should not forget to talk about the real thing, the funny little invisible pandemic. Why do we care so much about those vaccines when only a few people get sick and when we even can’t say if they have covid or a flu, not to forget that doctors can handle this sick people without expensive vaccines. …. and than there is this useless PCR test.

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago
Reply to  Clarisse

Combine the points you made, add them up, and its easy to see that this whole thing is a hoax, there is no novel virus sweeping the land, thats the cover story for the introduction of tyrannical policies and tricking people into rolling their sleeve up for the weaponised jabs.

Clarisse
Clarisse
4 years ago

Well thats it indeed, so why bother with statistics about how many blue eyed people die with covid against how many brown eyed people die when covid doesn’t exist. Its the wrong discussion, in my eyes we should force the tyranns to give a scientific prove of their pandemic theory, its not our work to prove that there is no pandemic. I know i sound naiv, but i dont like to waste my time anymore with articles like the one above.

George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Clarisse

Well put.. its pushing the real debate that should be had down a siding..

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Yes, so many ‘sceptics’ on here discussing the ins and outs of regime propaganda as if its a genuine record of the situation.

MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago
Reply to  Clarisse

It is an absolute priority to stop these vaccines and the coercion behind them. People are dyiing and being maimed.
This has never been about a virus – maybe not even about the vaccine. It has been about power and control that is achieved through digital IDs, beginning with ‘vaccine passports’.

RickH
RickH
4 years ago

Of course – the same feature as usual applies even to the ‘optimistic’ death figures.

Adjust the y-axis to the real world (max 100,000) and you have a picture of an absolute risk reduction, which is distinctly unimpressive.

Beyond that, there are massive questions around the comparability of the samples.

Mark
Mark
4 years ago

Just for those still fighting the understanding that covid19 is just the effect of the introduction to humanity of a new coronavirus cold causing virus:

Severity of SARS-CoV-2 Reinfections as Compared with Primary Infections

“Reinfections had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalization or death than primary infections. Four reinfections were severe enough to lead to acute care hospitalization. None led to hospitalization in an ICU, and none ended in death. Reinfections were rare and were generally mild, perhaps because of the primed immune system after primary infection.

In earlier studies, we assessed the efficacy of previous natural infection as protection against reinfection with SARS-CoV-22,3 as being 85% or greater. Accordingly, for a person who has already had a primary infection, the risk of having a severe reinfection is only approximately 1% of the risk of a previously uninfected person having a severe primary infection. It needs to be determined whether such protection against severe disease at reinfection lasts for a longer period, analogous to the immunity that develops against other seasonal “common-cold” coronaviruses,4 which elicit short-term immunity against mild reinfection but longer-term immunity against more severe illness with reinfection. If this were the case with SARS-CoV-2, the virus (or… Read more »

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago

Very troubling development. The German nano scientist DR ANDREAS NOACK who made this statement and conducted this research is now dead – two days after he made the announcement.

Nano Razor Blades?
DR ANDREAS NOACK, GERMAN CHEMISTRY PHD – GRAPHENE HYDROXIDE

https://fantonino-changingworld.blogspot.com/2021/11/nano-razor-blades.html

Carbon specialist.

His observations:

*These nanoscale structures can best be described as nano razor blades – mono-layer activated carbon of c6 rings,

50 nm long, 500 rings in a row, 0.1 nm thick.

*They do not degrade biologically. They stay in the body forever.

*Any doctor (in Austria), who, after this information is now public, continues to inject this, is a murderer.

*The epithelial cells are sliced up by the razor blades.

*Those given the Toxic Death Shot are being sliced up internally by tough, sharp, nano razor blades.

Video: GRAPHENE “RAZOR BLADES” FOUND IN THE COVID VACCINES

ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
4 years ago

Bleed to death on the inside from graphene hydroxide in vaxx trial roulette
https://cairnsnews.org/tag/dr-andreas-noack/

This was his educated explanation as transcribed:
“There is a Professor in the University of Almeira, Professor Dr. Pablo Campra.
He studied the vaccines for the presence of graphene oxide using Micro-Raman Spectroscopy.
It is the study of frequencies.
There are frequency bands. Two of those bands are important.
They show that it is not graphene oxide but rather graphene hydroxide.
I would like to explain what graphene hydroxide is.
Andreas Noack investigated nanoscale tiny razor blades injected into body and victim bleeds to death on the inside, He recently died under mysterious circumstances
It is a mono-layer activated carbon.
There are C6 rings. He found it in all samples. Every corner is a carbon atom.
This is on a nanoscale. If it is 5 nm long, there are 500 rings in a row. These are hydroxy groups (OH). In graphene oxide you have double bonded oxygen, but in graphene hydroxide you have an OH group. The electrons are delocalised (fully mobile).
The piece is 50nm (nanometre) long but only 0.1nm thick.
These C6 structures are extremely stable. You can make braking pads out of this.
It… Read more »

BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
crisisgarden
crisisgarden
4 years ago

Don’t forget everyone, in the new paradigm, data is the new oil. So fortunes will be made on betting against adverse events and vaccine ‘benefits’ on a societal level. Remember how the UKGVT were hiring AI experts to work on complex calculations around adverse events? We’ve been stripped of real wealth and the ability to generate wealth; We are simply data points now.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

That the brain dead British voters keep voting Tory/Labour is why we are in this mess.

crisisgarden
crisisgarden
4 years ago

They want us to forgo our own immune system and subscribe to one provided by some criminals that only works for a couple of months against one pathogen, the one they engineered.
They can, in fact, stick it up their arse.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Sorry for raising my voice,

THEY—-WILL—-NOT—-RECALL—-THE—-COVID—-VACCINES!

Anyone who thinks they can use facts & logic to demonstrate the harms of the covid vaccines needs beating to a pulp with an anti-denial bat. They, the covidian vaccinators, are not going to back down, they’re not going to suddenly realize how wrong they are & say OMG what have we done, science & statistics will not save us, there is no debating with these people.

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

To the point. No messin. Great post.

willing vaccinee
willing vaccinee
4 years ago

Just another anti-vaxx article.

Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Hi, welcome, please sit down & relax, enjoy the limited time you have before your blood clots & heart swells, have a nice day.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago

What does “anti-vaxx” mean? It’s a very vague term. In order to understand your argument, we need you to define your terms.

hadenoughcrap
hadenoughcrap
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

When all the safety trials are finished in 2023 and the pharmaceutical companies producing these so called vaccines are made fully liable for damages and deaths caused by them maybe I will consider getting jabbed. Until then its a huge no from me. When the swine flu vax killed 50 people in the USA it was withdrawn immediately. An excellent documentary was made about the way it was dealt with and it was narrated by Jon Snow whose mindset is the total opposite of what it used to be.

TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
4 years ago

So the vaccines are stimulating antibodies, which is one of the data points the trials measured, providing that initial protection in a window lasting from 14 days to 3-6 months post jab (duration depending on your physiology presumably)

But it is clear that they are not teaching the immune system to produce a long term response, hence why a double jabbed individual is effectively unjabbed at 6 months past their last dose.

But what is worse is that once you get a jab, you don’t appear to develop the long-term immune response after a natural infection either, could the mRNA be blocking the production of the memory cells? That would explain why the vaccinated are getting symptoms multiple times yet there is still scant evidence that an unjabbed individual who recovers from an infection gets the disease again.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

As I understand it from an article I read the lack of long term protection (it is also debatable if there is any short term protection) is because the not-vaccines only include a toxin i.e. a simulated Spike. An actual vaccine contains two parts and that is what triggers long term memory in the immune system.
The not-vaccines are basically useless, cause long term health issues such as scarring of the heart muscle, and the short and long term “immunity” is extremely doubtful.

TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

That would make sense, the body is only being trained to recognise the outer ‘casing’.

Probably by design, I doubt we will ever see a lifetime vaccine ever again for anything. Far more profit when you need regular boosters. Same with other areas of medicine, why develop a cure when it’s much more profitable to develop a prophylactic.

twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
4 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Recipients of the mRNA vaccines have memory cells 6 months post vaccination

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.740708/full

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
4 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

But if 93% of UK adults have antibodies then what’s the panic?

Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago

Good grief. These ‘cases presenting to emergency care’ or ‘deaths with 28 days of a positive covid test’ or ‘deaths within 60 days blah blah’ aren’t necessaily OF the blinking covids; they’re still simply WITH; the ‘cases’ could be in for something else entirely, and the deaths caused by falling off a bloody ladder.

And those stupid ‘greyed out’ stats. Well, they might as well put them in neon orange. They’re all I notice on the page.

brachiopod
brachiopod
4 years ago

Is the UK NHS standard of care the same for the jabbed as the unjabbed?

In the US there are stories of the unjabbed getting put on Remdesivir then ventilated then in a box. Are treatments ending in death noted anywhere?

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago

The charts should compare vaccinated (any dose) vs unvaccinated. The data from UKHSA is there to do this, you just need to pick up single jabbed numbers from the national flu and covid-19 surveillance data spreadsheets. For example for this week’s rates per 100,000 (week 48 covers weeks 44-47) they use week 45 of the spreadsheet for week 46 (the week 46 spreadsheet goes up to week 45) to get the double jabbed and unvaccinated per 100,000 rates.

Leaving aside the remaining issue that positives within 14 days of vaccination seem to count as unvaccinated, you then get this chart for positive tests per 100,000 over time.

This shows positive test rates in the under 18 age group are very similar between the unvaccinated and vaccinated.

For every double jabbed under 18 there are almost 9 single jabbed, so it makes no sense to make the comparison between double jabbed (the exceptions in the jabbed category) and unvaccinated.

I would ask those producing otherwise excellent articles to start taking this into account especially in the under 18 data.

To state the obvious, to get to the double jabbed state you have to pass through the single jab state.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

And the covid labelled deaths figures show just how few deaths are in the unvaccinated (currently 19.6% unvaccinated)

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Those numbers pretty much echo the 80% fully vaccinated uk population. If you have to manipulate the data to pull out any differences then you would have to question whether a vaccine that is supposedly 90% effective is actually BS

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

And these are the percentages of the emergency care admissions who are vaccinated (currently 64% vaccinated)

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cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago

Sceptics on here seem to believe that people can ‘boost’ zero efficacy with another shot of zero efficacy. For any genuine critical thinker, this is mindblowing.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

It baffles me daily.

I also find it astonishing that any doctor would take the clotshots whilst aware there is zero safety data available far less insist their patients take it.

I find it equally astonishing that the safest drug known to man, ivermectin, isn’t readily available on prescription when it’s available OTC in countries with education standards well below most of the west. One could take ivermectin daily for a lifetime and suffer no adverse effects as the very few deaths identified aren’t measured in the hundred of thousands, or millions, they are measured in billions.

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Did you see Dr Sam Whites epic win over the GMC yesterday? This is a really important victory as it should prompt others doctors to speak out now.

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago

The pro-never ending ‘booster’ material presented here as factual evidence of bioweapen efficacy is in fact a conglomeration of sleight of hand, data fraud and outright lies. If you click on the link to the source data the opening lies of the first paragraph alone set the tone for the whole document: “Rigorous clinical trials have been undertaken to understand the immune response, safety profile and efficacy of these vaccines as part of the regulatory process.”

Why Luke Perry presents this regime data to the DS readership as if it were a genuine record of events is beyond me. As Luc Montagnier said, the inescapable fact is, the curve of death follows the curve of injection and this would be made transparentenly obvious if the writer compared death rates between high bioweapon states and low bioweapon states.

cornubian
cornubian
4 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Martin Neils team of researchers have just analysed this latest false claim to data efficacy and concluded: “After our offset adjustment we observe no significant benefit of the vaccines in the short term. They appear to expose people to an increased mortality, in line with what we know about immune exposure or pre-infection risks.” Furthermore: “Whatever the explanations for the observed data, it is clear that the ONS data is both unreliable and misleading.” It begs the question, why havnt the likes of Martin Neil, the cancelled Joe Smalley and other sceptic data anaysts been asked to write for the DS? https://twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1466814347762671628

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago

I still cannot find any figures relating to deaths/reinfection/hospitalisation with covid regarding the naturally immune.

Shhh – even some sheep might smell a rat if we ever mentioned those poor unfortunates, who would appear to be doing rather well.

Or, to put it another way, what are the figures in proportionate terms of the previously infected in the unvaxxed data.
Whilst we’re at it, what about the previously infected then vaxxt – as opposed to the never previously infected then vaxxt

That said maybe it’s just me missing something.

Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

That prompted my thought that it is not revealed how many of the Covid deaths of unvaccinated in hospital caught it whilst in hospital, It would mean that the risk of being unvaccinated is not the problem; it only becomes a problem if you are sick enough to go into hospital.
This would mean that hospitals are still a significant source of infection.

Hopeless
Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

I have seen past figures for Covid HAI given as anything between 25% and 40%. For instance, the morning daily hereabouts reported 25% for the local general hospital back in May 2021, but that was the only occasion it appeared in that press, and I expect a lid was put on future reporting. For obvious reasons, there is a lack of appetite for publishing these with regularity, but I would suppose that there must be some recording and analysis, otherwise hospitals would have no idea whether preventive measures (testing, bed space, visiting etc.) are working.

The system, especially the testing and attribution of death to Covid in 28 days, the obscuration of the actual causes of death, the finagling of days difference between “vaccinated” and not and all the other stratagems, is confusing, biased and politically-driven.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

The UKHSA report shows cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive SARS-C0V-2 test) resulting in an overnight inpatient admission

This is actually a different thing to those in hospital with a positive test.

The deaths are all those who died within 28 days of a positive test (or within 60 days plus those with covid on the death certificate) including anybody who died in hospital, in a care home, at home or other setting.

While most covid labelled deaths are those in hospital, most covid labelled deaths don’t come from these admission numbers.

If you work from the Admissions Analysis by Age Group Supplement at the bottom of the following page

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

This shows by age group everyone in hospital who has had a positive test including nosocomial infections. It doesn’t split it by vaccination status. But you can compare overall totals.

When I looked for comparable weeks I noticed that the UKHSA admission positive numbers form only roughly about 1 in 3 of the total hospital positives, although I don’t think anyone has checked that figure.

We would need to understand the different pathways into hospital and how they are recorded in the data,… Read more »

caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Agree, notice how you rarely hear about supermarket and factory workers becoming seriously ill and dying, unless there are comorbidities.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

Yes. And adults in families with children too.

Wasn’t there a study that showed adults in families with children had lower rates of covid labelled deaths than similarly aged adults in families without children.

But let’s tell children they are killing granny when in fact they may be protecting others by ensuring those adults’ first encounters with the virus are non harmful encounters, allowing the adults to build some immunity before a later high viral load encounter.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

I seem to recall reading that re-exposure to chicken pox via your children and then grandchildren reduces the likelihood of developing shingles when older, as the immune system gets a reminder, so frequent small doses of any other virus could be essential. Presumably if that principle is true then Londoners travelling by tube should have monstrously robust immune systems to just about anything…..

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

Supermarkets have been open since March 2020. If there really was a deadly pandemic most of the cashiers would have died by now.
And why are people continuing to go shopping in the ‘midst of a pandemic’? Few are scared of the virus, it’s all fear of being seen not to comply.

karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Hospitals have always been a significant source of all kinds of infections

After an early morning scan last Saturday I had to wait 40 minutes in General Reception for a taxi home.
None of the incoming staff bothered with the sanitiser stations probably because they know it is useless and are fed up with the charade of using them.

TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

Good point. There was a low-quality study fanfared in the meeja yesterday, trying to claim that moronic variant reinfects repeatedly. But nowhere did they even discuss whether they were “vaxxed” or not. It could show an immune deficiency syndrome effect. Their failure to discuss likely points to the reality.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

So the boosters ‘extent the life’ of a fogie much like Mumm-Ra’s powers in Thundercats. Are we now treating people like cartoon or computer game characters with multiple ‘lives’?

You have to prepare for real death sometime. This perverse generatiom just doesn’t want to move on.

caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

You’re quite right. But the folks in white coats have promised that they can save everyone.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

Trouble is their vampirism is destroying both their lives and everyone else’s. And they are not even living but putatively having ‘more time’. That’s plain mad.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Walking corpses indeed.

I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

I agree, its been my experience that death has always been there lurking around the corner regardless of age – I’ve had family members and friends who have died for all kinds of reasons – heart failure, heart disease, asthma, diabetes, influenza, pneumonia, dementia, road accidents, alcoholism, accidental drug overdose – and at all ages ranging from just 19 years of age to just 40 years of age and 50 years of age to aunts, uncles and friends and acquaintances in their 60’s, 70’s, 80’s and my grandmother aged 98 god rest her – life is a lottery and each time I have experienced the loss of someone it has been a wake-up call to move on and make the most of what you have right now because when you die you are a long time dead – so in the past the idea was that between birth and death you enjoyed and experienced as much of life as possible before the inevitable happened … not run, hide and lock yourself away everytime the slightest threat to your personal safety surfaced – thats not living thats existing – a life lived in fear is a life half lived..

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Yes. Even in Christian terms, eternal life is not about a reeeaally long time, but communion and bliss in an eternal now with God. Whether or not you believe, the loss of faith has impoverished many people’s understanding of the meaning and value of life. It’s not a commodity, or about length of years (though this is good) alone, but ultimately about love and relationship. There is no fear in that place because self giving frees us to be authentically ourselves, not shut up in ourselves.

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