- “Cinema & Co” – Raise funds for Cinema and Co (whose owners refused to comply with the Welsh Parliament’s vaccine passport scheme) due to loss of business for 28 days after being closed by trading standards.
- “Covid: Stormont ministers vote for Covid passports” – All ministers apart from the DUP’s backed the plan, which is due to be enforced from mid-December, reports BBC News.
- “Covid vaccine passports ‘will hurt businesses in Scotland without cutting transmission’” – “A significant number of businesses will be hit by the expansion of vaccine passports while there is little evidence they cut transmission or convince people to get jabbed, the Scottish Government has admitted,” reports the Times.
- “Authoritarian Europe’s slide back into lockdown vindicates the U.K. embrace of freedom” – We were denounced as ‘Plague Island’, but our relatively high vaccination rate has allowed us to learn to live with Covid, argues Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.
- “Durham Cathedral demands Covid passports for Christmas worship” – “Durham Cathedral is the only cathedral in England (so far) to make attendance at a public act of Christmas worship contingent on the production of an NHS Covid pass,” reports Archbishop Cranmer.
- “Devi Sridhar: gets it wrong. Again!” – Devi Sridhar, member of the Scottish Government’s Covid advisory group, has repeatedly made false and misleading claims about Germany’s handling of the pandemic to argue for vaccine passports, says Citizen Journalist, who fact-check some of her statements.
- “Austria will come to regret mandatory vaccinations” – “So, Austria’s experiment to persuade more people to get vaccinated by placing the unvaccinated in lockdown didn’t last long. A week, to be precise. From Monday, the entire country will be placed under stay at home orders and other restrictions,” writes Ross Clark in the Spectator.
- “Just how rare are ‘rare’ vaccine injuries?” – “If health professionals are going above and beyond to not link the vaccine with adverse events, how can we be expected to believe that serious adverse reactions are as ‘extremely rare’ as is claimed?” asks Harry Dougherty in TCW.
- “The Covid cash cow!” –”There is probably much that we will never get to the bottom of related to the pandemic. But one thing is clear, we now know why so many people simply do not want it to end,” writes Roger Watson, who argues that Covid has enabled bad-faith actors to profit from other people’s misery in Unity News Network.
- “Number of corpses found rotting at home skyrockets during pandemic” – Study examining post-mortems found cases of markedly decomposed bodies increased by 70% after U.K. went into lockdown, reports the Telegraph.
- “Labour demands to know why Covid procurement rules still in place” – “Labour has written to the Government to query why emergency Covid procurement rules, under which companies were given contracts worth tens or hundreds of millions of pounds without the usual scrutiny or competition, have still not been reversed,” reports the Guardian.
- “Florida’s DeSantis travels to Brandon to sign bills restricting Covid mandates” – “Florida’s Governor Ron DeSantis has signed legislation barring private employers in the state from imposing Covid vaccine mandates on their workers unless generous opt-out provisions are offered,” reports RT.
- “Bavaria gets tough on Covid with cancellation of Christmas markets” – “Bavaria is to introduce sweeping measures to curb the spread of Covid, including cancelling all Christmas markets and placing limits on household mixing,” reports the Guardian.
- “Punishments set for U.S. troops who refuse vaccination” – “The U.S. Army has threatened repercussions for soldiers who decline to receive Covid vaccinations, saying that insubordinate troops will be barred from promotions, reenlistment, and a number of special military services,” reports RT.
- “Covid ‘patient zero’ was Wuhan market vendor, claims new study” – U.S. scientist finds that an influential World Health Organization inquiry had likely misidentified the first known case of Covid, reports the Telegraph.
- “Another Governor courts unvaccinated cops with relocation offer” – “Tennessee’s Republican Governor is calling on police officers across the U.S. to join the state’s highway patrol to skirt vaccine mandates elsewhere in the country, even offering to assist with moving expenses,” reports RT.
- “Jordan Peterson: the West has no right to cut poor countries’ pollution” – Academic criticises Government’s ‘potential deceit’ over HS2 on the BBC’s Question Time, reports the Telegraph.
- “In defence of defending empire” – “Debate, often heated, has for centuries been the way we have advanced knowledge and reached agreed position: thesis, antithesis, synthesis,” writes Robert Tombs in UnHerd.
- “Imperial War Museum bosses say sorry for woke rap against Churchill” – “According to witnesses, members of the public walked out in disgust during the performance by a youth music group funded by the Arts Council in the Museum’s foyer on November 11th,” reports MailOnline.
- “Cambridge college makes U-turn over how to define racism” – Downing College forced to rewrite anti-discrimination guidance over concerns it would lead to culture of fear and is racist to white people, reports the Telegraph.
- “Why the double standards?” – A caller speaks to talkRadio about the mainstream media ignoring cricketer Azeem Rafiq’s past anti-Semitic comments: “You won’t hear that story on the BBC. The mainstream media are so biased and don’t pick up on all sides of racism.”
To join in with the discussion please make a donation to The Daily Sceptic.
Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.
“Durham cathedral demands vaxports for Christmas worship”. (Archbishop Cranmer)
Utterly sickening. So much for standing up to apartheid.
If I was anywhere near Durham I would barge in – maybe my local cathedral will start doing this. They’ve abandoned every other principle of the Christian faith, starting with belief in God.
I seem to remember a story some years ago about some ordained ministers in the C of E who had expressed doubts about fundamental tenets of the Christian faith. I wondered how this could be, but this would seem to confirm that this is indeed the case.
Absolutely it is. For example, I was at Emmanuel College when Don Cupitt was Dean ( senior Anglican minister). He didn’t believe in God or the Resurrection, and thought Christianity was entirely a social construct. His book/TV series The Sea. of Faith sets out his ideas.
Then there was David Jenkins- , who was untroubled by the idea that the bones of Jesus were probably lying about somewhere in Jerusalem. He was – what a coincidence- Bishop of Durham.
I’d probably be a member of the C of E.
Were it not for the C of E.
There ought to be a huge, outdoor counter-service, open to all, right outside the cathedral. I’d travel to it. Give you a lift if you like!
EXCELLENT IDEA – would be interesting to see which one is better attended.
Yep – one sometimes wonders what the ABC has in common with God. The answer being that God doesn’t believe in the ABC!
Well, to them God is a bit of an old fashioned concept, don’t you think? While racism and climate change are far more hip and down wiv da kidz! Much more easy to understand than tiresome concepts such as morality, sin, forgiveness and the like.
Not to mention, love thy neighbor as thyself.
One can only wonder what incentive was offered to church leaders to incite such unchristian behaviour.
It would make for interesting TV footage if a group of the unvaxxed, perhaps disguised as lepers, attempted to force entry to the Cathedral only to be roughly repulsed by befrocked vergers brandishing Holy Sanitiser.
Yes – but which channel would show it?!
The History Channel in 2067
Horrible. Jesus sat down with prostitutes and tax gatherers, then low status people; he also went amongst the sick and cured them. He said “Be not afraid”
He didn’t say “Keep away unless you have had the Holy Jab, and make sure you wear your mask”.
I notice that Gloucester Cathedral is issuing tickets for its Christmas Services, but I don’t believe it is demanding the Covipass (yet).
My nearby Cathedral has announced ‘free entry’ (ie no compulsory £5.00 charitable contribution for upkeep) while the Chistmas Market is open on its green for a month.
“ROLL UP ROLL UP, all yer Xmas bargain tat, going for a song.”
I like the thought of Christianity as presented in the Bible; a humble man teaching others to be humble and gracious to others. I have no idea how any Christian organisation can today be likened to Jesus.
Personally, I find the pomp and pageantry revolting. Far better that the money spent on Churches and employees be devoted to teaching people to say Grace every time they sit down to eat.
Love your neighbour as yourself.
Do not return evil for evil.
Jesus never mentioned snitching on your neighbour, or treating others as nothing more than vectors of disease who you should shun. He certainly would not have shut anyone out.
Remind of the story about Jesus and the lepers again?
I doubt he’d be impressed with today’s “Christians”.
setup another entry gate asking to see if people have proof of not having an abortion.
After all your medical records should now be public and the church IS against killing babies isnt it?
hmnnnn.
WWJD????
would he have been demanding a vaxx passport for the sermon on the mount perhaps? doubt it.
“Authoritarian Europe’s slide back into lockdown vindicates the U.K. embrace of freedom” – We were denounced as ‘Plague Island’, but our relatively high vaccination rate has allowed us to learn to live with Covid, argues Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.
The time for pretending this is about a virus has passed. Does anyone seriously think there won’t be any more restrictions here? Or that our ‘high vaccination rate’ has anything to do with anything? Why is Ireland going into lockdown, or Gibraltar? DS needs to stop parroting MSM and acting like these policies aren’t coordinated at a global level. Are we really supposed to believe it’s just a massive coincidence that every single Western country is enacting these INSANE and blatantly destructive authoritarian policies independently of each other.
Just look at Austria… this is such an enormous story, almost everything else is irrelevant. WAKE UP. This is getting way too serious now.
Just look at Rotterdam. Police firing live rounds at protesters. Two injured,
Maybe one of them dead.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10223105/Police-fire-warning-shots-protesters-Rotterdam-tensions-boil-new-Covid-restrictions.html
It’s for their own safety
…and health, don’t forget.
Dead people are 100% immune.
It seems that everything really is for the safety of politicians and their expert advisors.. .
Makes a change from the ‘few hundred extremists ‘ being reported from Amsterdam last week.
Are you watching bozo? You should be and quaking in your chelsea boots
My suggestion is don’t read the DM if you want to know why the shots were fired.
The protests were normal and non violent.
However, in these protesters was a group of men who were obviously intent of making trouble. They charged the police. Those police were dressed in normal clothing. They could not deal with the violence or they would have been killed. The ME (riot police) were called in.
Information can be found on various Dutch language websites.
The DM readers comments are generally of far more interest than the articles which are clearly written with an eye for future tsunamis of pro lockdown/vax propaganda/advertising upon which all newspapers depend for their survival.
Thank you for confirming my supposition about the riot police being responsible rather than local cops which I made in comments to the DS article dedicated to the Rotterdam shootings above.
It is not clear what sort of shots were fired. It could be rubber bullets. No one has been to hospital with gunshot wounds.
Having said that here are the police undertaking a search having found a finger on the streets of Rotterdam.
https://www.dumpert.nl/item/100015396_010ed4f0
I wouldn’t be surprised the next occupants on the dinghys to Dover will be Austrian
The time for pretending high vaccination rates allow us to learn to live with the virus has passed.
I heard the announcement about Austria on the radio yesterday, it included the speech from the politician. The phrases he used were textbook abuser, “we are having to do this because of you, it’s your fault, you deserve it” was the script. . He blamed people refusing the insertion of a substance into their body.
As noted on Hugotalks.com, Austria has 3 million unvaxxed citizens, its Prison Estate of 8,000 places is already above capacity so its threat of imprisonment for non vaxxed is an idle one.
In theory, you can just pay 3600Euros once, followed by 1450 semi annually.
Seems they wanted to make sure that the millionaires or higher earners could continue to remain unvaxxed.
Hastily constructed ‘camps’ would seem to be the only way to keep their threat of imprisonment, that won’t look good.
Or perhaps confiscating peoples stuff is an avenue available to the Austrian Authorities?
When travelling at speed from Italy into the Alps, late 80s, an Austrian motorcycle cop stepped right in front of my motorbike seemingly confident in my ability to stop safely.
He dished out an instant fine and made it quite clear that I would not be going any further until it had been paid in full with detention of my vehicle an option.
Yesterday Ferguson was backpeddling, saying that the reason Covid was currently less than in Europe was because there was a lot of it about earlier in the year.
The only thing he said about vaccines was that if you’re vaxxed you are less likely to become ill, itself debatable.
Local online loudly announced last week that the north of the County had more Covid than anywhere else in England.
Surprise Surprise today it runs a piece saying the booster station for that district was overwhelmed and that people were being sent 40 miles away to get boosted. Local Live does not link this rush (by the over 50s?) to their earlier story.
It does have another article explaining that high Covid rates in that district are lead by the under 40s, specifically those of college age who are ‘x’times more likely to be infected but rarely fall ‘ill’, still less go to hospital or die.
Obviously an attempt to backtrack from the booster jam it created among the oldies earlier in the week.
Populations around the world need to say to hell with their health services. The basis of all lockdowns is to stop hospitals been overrun. People need to stand up and say well fine, let them get overrun, we would tether be free than slaves to a public service. In the U.K. the point is irrelevant anyway as it is close to impossible to get any sort of treatment from our sainted NHS and impossible to see a GP in person.
Fat chance. 80% are still totally afraid full believers, often dependent upon the state, it’s handouts or contracts, and enjoy being part of the unthinking, discriminatory group that has announced itself that only it is right, has the moral high ground and that anyone else is the baddies.
Meanwhile in Romania and Bulgaria with the lowest Vax rates in Europe, numbers go up and numbers go down. Pretty well like everywhere else.
If our Prime Minister does not come out immediately against mandatory vaccination, with the legislature expressly forbidding it soon after, we have to assume they are biding their time until case numbers go up and they mandate it here as they’ve always agreed they would.
They are bidding their time, compulsory vaccination is inevitable in the west, they’ve just been priming the population manufacturing consent. They have 2 common methods of manufacturing consent.
There is only one way to stop the inevitable, the same way the poll tax was stopped & that was only a half victory. Note nic sturg-un has been played the entire pandemic by the Tories.
Well, if we all get sent to gaol for refusing the monkey gunk, all male sceptics should self-identify as female so we all get sent to the same gaol. Then we can have a great time during social hours, and maybe an orgy or two for any that have such inclinations. (I’m over age for orgies, but I wouldn’t want to deny others their fun.)
The DeSantis story about Brandon is wonderfully entertaining.
Brandon is suspect over the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. I was upset over the snarky and biased ITV News reporting of it. Lying paid for by advertising revenue.
Jesse Watters made a good point about the contrasting responses of Biden and Trump to the incident. Biden immediately jumped to politically convenient conclusions and defamed the man involved without the slightest interest in establishing the facts. Trump, on the other hand, took the trouble to actually look at the evidence initially available and reach a mindful opinion on the events.
Jesse Watters: Biden ‘puppet masters’ intervened in second Rittenhouse statement
“That [Trump’s initial assessment] was the most honest assessment that we’ve heard from a politician, yet the media “fact checkers” just Pinocchio’ed the Hell out of that statement“
Leo Terrell blasts de Blasio over response to Rittenhouse verdict
Not guilty on all charges:
Kyle Rittenhouse,
the right of self defence for US citizens,
the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
Guilty as charged, of cynically lying and smearing, in the hope of whipping up mob violence and gaining political advantage at the expense of destroying the life of an innocent young man:
Joe Biden,
The lying leftist mainstream media
BLM, antifa and the rest of the leftist thug brigade
As noted previously, when you hear in the media (mainstream or social) about a supposed atrocity against political correctness, “hate crime”, or pretty much any bad thing done by anyone associated with the political right, the safest assumption is that it is at the least grossly exaggerated, and quite likely utterly false. Which is not, obviously, to say that such things never happen, only that the majority of media reports of them are exaggerated or false.
I know it’s Colonial matters, but by God, I gave a cheer when he was acquitted for creating two good communists and having a great go at the third.
As did all decent folk (because anyone who wanted to see that decent lad’s life destroyed for political advantage, for defending himself against thugs attacking him, is not, by definition, decent)..
But we don’t have the luxury of ignoring colonial matters in the modern UK, because we are regrettably but incontrovertibly within the sphere of influence of the US, and our society, politics, economy and culture are all hugely affected by developments in the US. That has been increasingly true for many decades, now.
It was a good day when there were 2 less Marxists on the planet.
Dangerous road, celebrating deaths. Especially of political rivals.
On the other hand, it’s also a dangerous road pretending that the deaths of violent criminals at the hands of their victims or those defending against them is a tragedy, or some kind of loss to society, when in fact they are arguably a net gain to society because any human loss is counterbalanced by the positive lesson inherent in the death of a burglar, robber or criminal rioter in the act of committing their crime.
There is a real dilemma here, which too many take a simplistic line on.
One serial paedophile and one serial domestic abuser were stopped, terminally, in the act of trying to kill an innocent boy. The third felon was stopped while literally bringing an (illegally held) gun to bear on him.
Good prevailed, and evil was ended. There is no dilemma here, at all.
Should be obvious that I sympathise with that position. Certainly there is no tragedy here imo.
On the other hand I can sympathise with arguments that there are dangers in too casual a celebration of the deaths of human beings, even the worst. After all, the powerful decide what count as crimes.
Therein lies the dilemma.
The powerful don’t care what we think or say.
So why not say exactly what we think, without self censoring?
I’m not objecting to the making of the comment, just disagreeing with it somewhat. If that’s what you and A-S really think is the case, I have no problem with you saying so. (Though there are sensible limits to free speech in relation to threats of or advocacy of violence, which those comments skate rather close to, but do not cross imo.)
As I said, though, I think it’s a rather dangerous position to adopt.
I agree. The current situation creates alls ort s of dilemmas — like shadenfraude at the fate of the vaxed, until you realise most of your friends and family took the shot.
Absolutely. If only things were simple enough to allow for these sweeping positions.
We used to have quite a large number of left leaning lockdownsceptics, I expect quite a few are anti vaxxers also.
Such remarks do not attract them to support our cause.
I would doubt if the two deceased had the slightest understanding of Marxism, paid criminals put there to cause trouble and trouble is what they got.
Congratulations to the rightly aquited young man.
“We used to have quite a large number of left leaning lockdownsceptics, I expect quite a few are anti vaxxers also.
Such remarks do not attract them to support our cause.”
Not saying you are incorrect about the likely results with some people, but I think trying to keep the kind of people who leave because they are offended or upset by below the line comments is a fool’s errand, myself.
There are two contrasting approaches – broad discussion with more or less full free speech or tightly constrained and focussed campaigning, with accusations of being “off topic” and of disreputableness constantly used to target anyone who says anything remotely controversial.
I think it’s obvious which is better for a broadly sceptical site run by a free speech campaigner, but in the end it’s a decision for the owners.
There are alternative sites for leftist sceptics, and in the end it’s better if those who can’t tolerate free speech associate with their more likeminded groups.
I would concede that much tighter controls are appropriate for above the line writings, but DS is pretty much on point, there.
I’m no supporter of censorship but at one stage it was generally accepted that the only issue at hand was opposition to lockdown; disagreements on the basis of left/right, Brexit/Remain, drinker/teetotal, religion, abortion or otherwise were largely avoided.
We also had the support of a number of self-declared BAME people who I no longer see represented.
The only thing that readers were actively discouraged from doing was using the word ‘bedwetter’ as this was thought to discourage curious/doubtful visitors.
“I’m no supporter of censorship but at one stage it was generally accepted that the only issue at hand was opposition to lockdown; disagreements on the basis of left/right, Brexit/Remain, drinker/teetotal, religious or otherwise were largely avoided.”
The site started out as explicitly not restricted to lockdown opposition, by the choice of the owner, but it was inevitably in practice dominated by people who agreed on only that. And at the time there was basically nowhere else to go. In the long run that narrow focus could only have been maintained by excluding those who wanted to talk about other issues.
Starting with the loathsome BLM nonsense, and continuing with woke generally and especially recently the climate alarmist threat, those above the line have made it absolutely clear that the site is not devoted solely to resisting lockdown (let alone “vaccination”, which the owners broadly approved of, short of coercion). The name change to Daily Sceptic, rather than Lockdown Sceptics, formalised that point.
The bottom line is that imo once you start trying to silence people in order to seek respectability, you end up going down the same road our wider society has travelled, which ended in the dystopian woke tyranny we now face, and which has enabled the covid panic in this country.
“We also had the support of a number of self-declared BAME people who I no longer see represented.”
No way of knowing, on an anonymous form, who is of what race or culture unless they declare themselves. Most of those who chose to do so here, that I recall, did so in order to try to browbeat people into not criticising BLM, or persuade the site owners to silence such criticism or they would leave.
My suspicion is there are BAME people who simply post here normally and don’t choose to make an issue of it. Many of them probably share the contempt for BLM. Look at the US, where plenty of blacks supported Trump and supported Rittenhouse, and despise the woke leftists’ foul race-baiting.
But it’s vital not to let these people (offence-mongers, I mean, not BAME) dictate too much the terms under which speech is permitted. Imo, the rule should be engage, ignore or fuck off (but I don’t make the rules here, obviously).
Let me put it another way Mark.
Under LS posts might start ”I voted Brexit/I voted Remain (then fresh in the mind) but that is insignificant compared to what is happening with lockdown (then not nearly as bad as things have since become). What is important is that we stand united . . .”
Similarly posts might start “Unlike you I come at this from a left/liberal background but we should put aside such differences to fight this monstrosity . . .”
This extended jokingly to which sports team readers might favour.
I thought it healthy that no regard was made of contributors apparent education level, class status or level of income.
Personally I cannot recall anybody defending BLM; BAME readers might identify as such either in response to specific discussions about why Covid might disproportionately affect their communities or to give the lie to claims that their lives are one long story of oppression and neglect.
Due to illness I was offsite when the change was made from LS to DS which was fine by me as anti lockdown and Covid arguments were rather going around in circles and getting stale except that every new bit of nonsense ‘they’ came up with could be countered with the same arguments we had already been making for months.
For most of LSs’ early life many posters liked to delve into the technical details of reports that came along from either side, I was happy to take in the summary, preferring to contribute my observations as privileged ‘out and about key worker’ which allowed me to witness and report on the abundance of lies we were being fed.
I welcomed the extension of discussion into other areas worthy of scepticism but I feel that statements such as
‘The only good Marxist is a dead Marxist’ run counter to our overall cause.
One last point on which we seem to be agreed. This site belongs to Toby Young; it ain’t a democracy, his site, his rules and rightly so.
“Let me put it another way Mark.
Under LS posts might start ”I voted Brexit/I voted Remain (then fresh in the mind) but that is insignificant compared to what is happening with lockdown (then not nearly as bad as things have since become). What is important is that we stand united . . .”
Similarly posts might start “Unlike you I come at this from a left/liberal background but we should put aside such differences to fight this monstrosity . . .””
Indeed, and I would say that nicely illustrates what I wrote about the development of LS from early campaigning focus to its broader, later approach. In reality, of course, you cannot separate covid panic stuff from the other closely related developments in our society.
“Personally I cannot recall anybody defending BLM“
You might not recall them, but I do, probably because I was among the most outspoken opponents of BLM and the entire basis of its ideology here, from when it first became an issue here with the demos after the Floyd incident, and I was remonstrated with by a number of people here for being “off topic”, for “putting off” potential contributors, and for being “racist”. The not so subtle subtext was that my comments ought to be banned, and I suspect at least a couple of them probably made representations to the owner to get me banned or censored (as I know would have happened on most mainstream outlets, because it has happened to me frequently in the past for saying much the same things).
On a number of occasions I had to point out that yes, the topic of BLM was directly connected with covid through the hypocrisy of kneeling to BLM thugs while cracking down on covid demos, and no, the topic isn’t against the wishes of the owners because look, they’ve posted about it above the line.
“I feel that statements such as‘The only good Marxist is a dead Marxist’ run counter to our overall cause.”
Maybe you’re correct. My disagreement was not with your opinion, but rather with the idea that it’s useful to try to police such comments to try to appease the easily offended or outraged (as opposed to disagreeing with them).
“One last point. This site belongs to Toby Young; it ain’t a democracy, his site, his rules.”
Indeed. I believe I have said so on numerous occasions. Were you suggesting that I had indicated otherwise, or just reaffirming what we both agree to be the case?
I have to retire now having just taken my my meds but will be pleased to return to the discussion tomorrow. Love and Peace.
My two counter remarks about ‘the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist’ were merely observations, not attempts to censor.
As for my final previous sentence about Toby, that was an attempt to bring closure with a phrase that we could clearly agree on.
Ps. I would repeat my earlier claim that the two dead people were unpleasant common criminals who most likely knew nothing of Marxism in the same way the dead floyd could never be described as dying in the cause of Martin Luther King.
Spare a thought for Derek Chauvin. Sacrificed to the political, woke mob.
And spare a thought for the family of David Dorn; I don’t recall seeing any BLM person calling for the same treatment for his killer.
My sympathies are also with Ashli Babbitt, an actual political protester rather than a rioter like the Kenosha types, killed by a security guard in circumstances that would have cause unending worldwide manipulated outrage, had she been protesting in a leftist cause when she was killed.
If they keep pushing this white supremacy narrative, it can only result in civil unrest & when the majority are backed into a corner & made to take sides, the minority will lose & the west is a majority of white “supremacists” so this isn’t going to end well for ethnic minority groups.
Society is being deliberately broken up by a leftist trojan horse in the name of globalism, funded by & for nefarious elite interests, ironically the Marxists are doing their bidding.
The reality is that they have found it such a powerful tool for pushing their radical agendas that they are unlikely to drop it easily.
What I find both fascinating & horrifying is the irony of “progressives” doing the establishment’s dirty work, they’re totally oblivious to the fact they’re being played, as you say the power has gone to their heads & addled their brains.
The establishment is/are “progressive”. There is no significant distinction, and hasn’t been for a decade or two at least.
The establishment are criminals, they’ve had the same agenda for decades maybe centuries, that’s not progressive. What’s changed is technology.
I like Steven Crowder’s suggestion that the retort should be “OK, paedophile”, using the exact same “logic” as they’re using.
As with the Plandemic, we’re far beyond reason or rationality, so we might as well just have fun with it.
Nothing wrong with trying it, but without a huge media machine, state subsidised identity lobbyist slush funds, and legal and police powers behind it, it’s not going to have the same force …
Sometimes the most trivial seeming things can have unexpected reach. You don’t know unless you try.
Is it OK to be White?
Is islam right about women?
Fair point, well made.
Some lies have consequences for the liars
They’re still calling him a huWhite supremacist with an illegally held weapon.
Oh, he’s going to be spoiled for choice about which house he lives in, once he owns all of theirs.
The problem with this attitude (apart from being factually incorrect: “antisemitism” is just as demonised as “racism”, just by slightly different groups – look at what was done to Corbyn and Livingstone) is that it is basically saying that because one side is empowered to suppress speech they hate, so should others be. Same applies when majority groups try to use these attitudes in the other direction, under the naive misunderstanding that there should be some fairness (with occasional success, but general ineffectuality).
The idea that saying certain politically selected nasty things about other people should be singled out for whipping up outrage and inflicting punishment, and used as a pretext for smashing institutions, is socially harmful. We should be encouraging instead the attitude of tolerance of different opinions, of downplaying verbal slights, and of self control in the face of verbal provocation of any kind, and not allowing identity lobby groups to weaponise outrage in order to gain personal and lobby power.
An insult is an insult. To the extent it is wrongful, a racist insult is wrongful only because it is insulting and intended to hurt or provoke, not because it is racist. Until we return to that common sense position, which we lost thanks to self-serving identity lobbyists, cultural pollution from the US and systematic manipulation to protect mass immigration, we are only going to increase and inflame resentment and division, not reduce it, and we will keep on progressively losing our right to free speech, as more and more structures and attitudes are erected to police and restrict it.
What they mean is very rare before they introduced the “vaccine” & just obfuscate the issue where those injuries have increased with vaccine rollout.
My concern about Jordan Peterson: Government Adviser Told Me COVID Rules Based On Opinion Polls, Not Science is that being right (correct) doesn’t often leave him on the winning side!
If the left continue to go down this path, labelling every white person a white supremacist, it’s only going to have one outcome & it will be the minority that will lose the fight!
Cuthbert and Bede weep, not for the first time.
Haven’t read the article because I don’t have a Telegraph sub, but this seems absurd on its face. Our vaccination rate is within a couple of percent of the EU average, according to ourworldindata. We’ve just seen the headlines saying “Christmas cancelled in Gibraltar – the ‘most vaccinated’ place in the world”.
More likely, we’ve started to learn to live with covid because it went through us a little quicker. Obviously we should have followed the original plan of letting natural immunity build up as far as possible in the summer, and we could have “learned to live with covid” at a fraction of the cost we’ve suffered, and incurred but not yet paid, and without any need for leaky “vaccines” with dubious effectiveness and unknown long term consequences, whose primary beneficiaries are the pharma corporations.
Is the summary unrepresentative of the article or is this Camilla Tominey as stupid, ignorant or dishonest as it makes her appear? At the moment it appears she’s an enabler of authoritarian evil in the form of outright discrimination to coerce injection.
I have read the article. It basically says what you suppose it does, it wrong for the reasons you suppose, and we should have stuck with the original plan. To some extent, though, because of a combination of Brits being a bit less rule oriented, and Tory incompetence (God help us if Starmer had been in charge) we are a bit Sweden-liite.
archive.vn your solution to paywalls….
It’ll be ‘jab or death’ for anti-vaxxers, Orban predicts
Let that sink in.
“Vaccination of all Hungarian citizens against Covid-19 is inevitable, PM Viktor Orban has said, stating that even the most hardline anti-vaxxers will ultimately face a choice between dying with the virus and getting a jab.”
… of a disease that kills around 0.1-0.3% of those who get it, that not all are vulnerable to anyway, and for which the average age of death is not much different from the overall average age of death.
What’s remarkable is not so much that politicians lie, but that they can do so, and feel safe doing so, quite as blatantly and shamelessly as they have over this covid panic.
I’d still rather take my chance with the “virus”. The despotic desperation to force this state-mandated, one size fits all drug into every single human being on the planet is looking to be the biggest crime against humanity the world has never seen…and yet it’s barely raising a eyebrow with most.
Yep, me too. I’m not particularly scared of either tbh, but I prefer to run the ordinary risks of illness than the unknown ones of experimental therapies.
Though once they try to coerce, any residual doubt disappears and refusal becomes necessary and a moral duty, imo.
Surprising given that Orban is generally such a contrarian to acceptable opinion.
Yes, I was disappointed. I hoped he would see the long term dangers and costs, rather than just the short term authoritarian advantages.
Marek’s disease on the way?
If he knows something about that feature of the man made virus and is well meaning.
Otherwise, he is either evil and/or talking nudging sh*te.
On October 31, 1517 Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of Wittenberg Castle church challenging the authority and doctrine of the Catholic Church. Surely then is it not beyond the guile of someone in the NE to likewise nail a copy of the Nuremberg Code to the massive wooden door of Durham Cathedral?
Unless we stamp on apartheid now, while it is still vulnerable, it will quickly grow to blight the lives of everyone in the coming years and decades. We all know what is happening, we have been taught the lessons of the past time and again at school and via the gogglebox, so the current malaise is not surely that hard to recognise.
The failure of any identifiable or united journalistic, legal, academic, medical or political movement to openly stand up and challenge this tyrannical mendacious government and the UK’s corrupted institutions (such as the Church and the NHS) is perhaps the single most terrifying aspect of this wholly artificial (yet still very much defeatable) coup against the people.
There are a few mainstream media journalists in the US standing up to the apartheid aspect of the covid panic. For example, as I noted on DS yesterday, the top rated US pundit on the top rated US cable network, who said this:
“The worst thing that Biden has done in office so far is that press conference where he said: “we’re running out of patience for you people who haven’t had the vaccine.” Really? First of all, people who’re vaccinated, according to Pfizer’s own numbers, are not living longer than people who aren’t vaccinated. In fact according to the Pfizer study they’re living a little shorter. They also are, according to the actual studies, slightly more likely to pass on the virus, so, like – I’m not saying there’s no benefit to the vaccine, I’m not saying that. What I am saying is: there’s no basis upon which to demonise people who haven’t been vaccinated and blame them for the freaking pandemic. That’s totally evil, that he did that. That was totally evil. Talk about dividing the country! That’s the worst thing I’ve ever seen a President do! I’m still mad about it. And no-one wants to talk about the vaccines because, like “you don’t want to be an anti-vaxxer”! Well I’m not an antivaxxer. I’ve had a million vaccines. I’ll probably have many more. My kids have had vaccines. But that is wrong. That is totally wrong. You cannot force people to take medical treatment against their will. Period….. And we’re going to wake up one morning and be like “I can’t believe we lived through that. Why didn’t we say something?“”
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/18/news-round-up-254/#comment-637947
Why is no comparable figure in the UK media saying such things?
Well, we have no mainstream equivalent to Fox News here, and politically we are pretty much akin to the NE coast Democrat fiefdoms, which are all as covid panic-obsessed as our elites are.
Problem is even the non-MSM avowed sceptics, like this site, prefer to fence-sit and refuse to openly criticise and stand up to this government’s diktats. They are highly adept at featuring third party cut and paste doom and gloom articles along with pointless graph wars/studies (that are usually at least 6 months out of date in their conclusions), but as for taking a principled stand against the current murderous carnage….
I guess they skipped the journalist school lecture on ‘the role of a principled independent editorial policy in protecting inalienable civil rights.’
Austria Imposes Lockdown and Vaccine Dictatorship
And from Germany: The Minister of Labour, Hubertus Heil (SPD), demanded: “No more access to the workplace without testing or vaccination – and no wages either.”
No wages, no buying or selling. Hurry up and get to “mark of the beast” phase so we can get to the next step after that, which is more upbeat for the people who hold out.
Its horrible to see but almost comical ‘national characteristics’ are coming to the fore.
Nothing really changes, apply a little pressure and the mask slips and you see the true features.
The one country that is currently ( today at least) bucking that trend, given its relatively recent fascist past, is Spain. It needed its Supremes to give direction of limitations of executive power, but since then its been a model of moderation in a sea of extremes.
England is currently holding up, just about, and so are Florida, Texas and a handful of other US States. There are on-offs elsewhere , like Mexico, Brasil, some African nations. But that is about it.
If these beacons are extinguished this winter, and I would not put much money on most of them, the future looks very bleak.
As individuals we can try to stay firm, we can get support where we can from like minded people, but its going to be a long hard road.
Yes, and all this in just 18 months. It shows how fragile our human constructs are.
Made possible in the case of the UK by feeble and cowardly inaction on the part of a mere 600+ tossers in the House of Commons.
Members allowed the Executive to grab untrammelled power (despite little or no backing from the justice system) while at the same time empowering local authority tin pot Hitlers as in the case of the Swansea Cinema (Roundup) where they had to use Trading Standards because Covid ‘laws’ have yet to be tested in Court.
Unfortunately local authorities can be given various extra powers under the original 1984 infectious diseases legislation, cannot remember the exact details.
That Act initially gave local authorities the power to take action (including detention) against individuals suspected of being contaminated with a Notifiable Disease.
It was never intended to be used to impose restrictions on entire populations or sections thereof.
How many times has that phrase been used to excuse poorly drafted (and often deliberately ambiguous) or simply outrageous legislation over the years? Even in recent history the UK government has not been averse to digging up Acts that still conveniently remained on the statute books, such as the 1735 Witchcraft Act (dating back to 1542 in various guises) that was not repealed until 1951!
That works both ways.
Laws enabling punishment by being placed in the pillory or stocks have never been repealed.
I was going to save this bombshell for a more appropriate moment when discussing how to deal with low level traitors, perhaps it should be brought up again later.
I like to think that this is Fauci in the stocks prior to facing his ultimate fate.
All those people dying alone and not found for weeks. Nearly every day we hear of some new evil. Suffering that is a direct result of our leaders words and deeds and they have no shame.
You know why that stories coming out now don’t you? It’s a warning to the unvaccinated!
I don’t give a toss about dying alone, dead is dead, i’m not taking their poison EVER.
Catherine Austin Fitts – Useful Steps for Navigating the Financial Reset
“When the WEF says in 2030 you’ll own nothing and be happy, what I hear is in 2030 we’ll have taken all of your assets and you’ll be mind controlled” Catherine Austin Fitts
That’s a great video. Thanks.
They were being reported in a guarded way on Local Live more or less every day during lockdown proper.
Lonely people whose lives had been screwed over being found unexpectedly dead at home. The word ‘lockdown’ was never used and neither was ‘suicide’ yet oddly the reports were usually accompanied by adverts by The Samaritans.
There doesn’t seem to be much reason for optimism, but I did take a few trips on the London Underground yesterday (Dictator Khan’s TFL- masks still mandatory there) and would estimate masking on average as not much more than half, including plenty of bare faced staff. There is mass civil disobedience going on, that has clearly spread beyond just the hard core sceptics. A tiny crumb of comfort.
I take optimism the Daily Mail report (Roundup) about the Imperial War Museum being forced to apologise for including an anti Churchill ‘Rap’ effort by some talentless children during their Act of Remembrance.
Not only the apology itself, boot now being on the other foot.
The comments have been moderated which means highly censored so only 850 have been allowed through (the last one 15 hours ago, lazy bastard mods) but the Most Liked comment has received 13k upticks which is an enormous number for the Daily Mail indicating huge interest in the story.
My only surprise continues to be that the institution has not rebranded itself
The Post Colonial Apology Project
Prof. Dr. Alexandra Henrion-Caude
2 wounded after shots fired at Covid protest in Netherlands
Seven hurt as Netherlands police fire on anti-lockdown rioters: Anger at Euro Covid restrictions turns increasingly violent as Austria makes vaccine MANDATORY
Some good readers comments.
STOP VACCINE PASSPORTS
Excellent video that concisely explains what is going on.
Recommended for your on the fence friends and family to wake them up….
https://youtu.be/PLjwWvt8jnI
In Scotland we’re being told we either accept lockdown restrictions again, closure of businesses etc or extensions to where covid passports apply.
So Labour have finally had a twinge of conscience, heaved their sorry arses off the sofa and have (fanfare) Written A Letter.
Was the PS a whinge that they weren’t getting their cut of the procurement cash?
It’s not just in the UK, as an example, excess non-Covid related deaths are also occurring in Cyprus
Coronavirus: Sharp increase in deaths not all explained by virus, says scientist
https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/11/20/coronavirus-sharp-increase-in-deaths-not-all-explained-by-virus-says-scientist/
Daily Fail goes full on at ‘cruel anti-vaxxers’ – backfires with readers .
‘Cruel anti-vaxxers at school gates exposed: Former school governor runs group that has picketed 100 schools and targets pupils with Covid jab conspiracy theories’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10222735/Anti-vax-group-targeted-100-schools-run-ex-school-governor.html
I don’t that they expected the best rated readers comment to be this!
‘She is a courageous hero with truth and science on her side. More love and power to her and everyone fighting for our children and our freedom. We shall overcome’
(2410 upticks 1017 downticks at time of posting)
Voted, now 3,185 upticks.
The Daily Mail will be very well aware of the opinions of its readership (unless they don’t read their own comments sections).
While never liking that paper I concluded long ago that it toes the government line in order to continue receiving its share of the ongoing tsunamis of Covid fear/lockdown and now vax/booster advertising/propaganda funding.
But at the same time this provides their readers with a platform to tell each other what they really think.
The most liked comment in another DM article* had 13k upticks, a phenomenal number given that comments were moderated and only 850 allowed.
*Imperial War Museum, Roundup.
You make a very good point. It’s interesting and informative that over the last few months the best rated readers comments have been increasingly hostile to the government narrative. Yet at the same time the paper has to make sure that it doesn’t lose the opportunity to suckle on the government funding teat, which includes running sponsored articles.
Even the article itself, while claiming to be outraged, gets the anti vax message all over the front page which, if nothing else, lets doubters know they are not alone.
Goebbels would not have made such a simple error, if error it is.
“our relatively high vaccination rate has allowed us to learn to live with Covid, argues Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph.”
Bullsh*t. How thick must one be to still believe that?
The higher naturally acquired immunity rate is what’s done it.
Yes it is obvious that the greater the suppression a country has tried, like Germany which aimed for a zero covid thing, the rebound is greater. Only natural immunity is going to stop this.
The obvious truth that our media, political, scientific and social elites are desperately refusing to admit to.
Exactly – if the vaccines have been so effective then how do you explain possibly the most vaccinated place on earth now going into another period of winter lockdowns and restrictions – Gibraltar?
When you consider that the fatality rate for the vast majority of the population was around 0.03% it would have been much more sensible to protect the elderly and the vulnerable while allowing everyone else to continue as normal as possible allowing them to acquire natural immunity – this was always the best way to deal with this pandemic. In fact I read somewhere once from some pandemic/virus expert that the best way to deal with a pandemic is to power your way through it – all lockdowns and restrictions did was temporarily delay the inevitable – this virus was always going to have its day.
I tend to agree with this tweet …
but big pharma wouldn’t have made a wheelbarrow load of money and the chance to get digitial IDs /CBDC and usher in the great reset couldn’t have come about.
Its not what they say it is about.
A certain early 20th century Chancellor of Germany/dictator was not German but Austrian.
The party that this person led started in Munich, Bavaria.
The current Chancellor of Germany was born in the old DDR not the old BRD.
Is there a pattern here?
He also did not sign up for the German army in 1914, rather that of Bavaria.
A constant in the post medieval history of the Germans was whether Prussia or Austria would lead a unified Reich.
Bismarck won that argument for Prussia, in a process that began long before the Franco Prussian War, but deliberately kept Austria out so that there was no conceivable threat to its dominance under the Kaiser.
This is why Anschluss never was an original Hitler idea and why it was so readily acceptable to many Austrians (themselves already under their own fascist regime).
The Allies thought they were being very clever in writing Prussia off the post WW2 map but perhaps it is indeed now Austrias time to take position as leader of the German nation at large.
40 years ago I was working on the Tornado aircraft alongside both Germans and Italians. Most of the Germans were from Bavaria, although they weren’t unfriendly there was an attitude that wasn’t particularly comfortable, this contrasted with others who came from elsewhere in Germany. I spent time in Bavaria, both in Munich and Ottobrun, again there was an attitude.
Bavarians are different which is why they still conduct local and national politics in their own way. Very similar to super conservative Catholic Austria than most of Germany.
Having said that both are culturally delightful and are favoured locations for a German holiday except for German speaking Switzerland which is similar but more so.
More shocking truths from Tucker Carlson, though he ends on a positive note:
“If you’re totally absorbed in American media, you get the impression American media are in charge of our country. And it turns out they’re not. Most people don’t watch that crap, they don’t care what people like that say. They don’t care at all. There are a lot of rational, decent, thoughtful people on all sides, of all races, in this country who are still willing to think clearly about what is right, what is wrong, what is factual, what is just, and what is not. And today they did. So that is the real lesson here. In the face of all of that propaganda a group of jurors in Kenosha Wisconsin were brave enough to reach the right and obvious conclusion anyway. Amen.”
Tucker: This drives Democrats insane about Rittenhouse verdict
Which is an understandable, upbeat response to this decision, but if it were true then Biden and his team of hate-pushing race-baiting extremists would not have been elected, and Rittenhouse would never have been prosecuted at all.
And on another day, with a different jury and slightly different circumstances, the likes of the Rittenhouse prosecutors will succeed with their argument that you have no right to resist the woke anti-white mobs, that you have a duty to let them smash and burn property freely and to take your beating like a man (yes, that was actually the argument they made – watch the court proceedings), and that you should be locked up if you resist.
For those who still refuse to see the link between the ways the control of speech is used to push, and suppress dissent to, the various false dogas of the woke left: antiracism and pc dogmas, climate alarmism and covid panicking:
“Facebook last year banned anyone, after the shootings, banned anyone from praising or supporting Kyle Rittenhouse. They would only let you talk about his guilt, not his innocence. They cut off links being used to raise money for his defence. You want to talk about a dangerous monstrosity, look no further than Facebook.”
Hurt: “Yeah, and of course, you ask yourself: how do we wind up in a situation where people like Cory Bush – first of all get elected in the first place, but second of all how somebody like Cory Bush can look at a situation like this and repeat over and over and over again this ridiculous, unhinged, unfounded lie about how “it’s all about white supremacy”, and “Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist” ….. here’s how we get here. You have to have a systemic, a long running systemic effort by very powerful organisations to shut down free speech, so that people are fed nothing but poisonous propaganda, and that’s what Facebook does. Twitter does it too. But nobody does it worse than Facebook. And they do it exactly the way you just said it, where they prevent one side from giving the truth and then only promote the lies from the other side.”
Sound familiar? This is exactly how the covid panic was pushed.
https://youtu.be/4HlG1oY76ho