• Login
  • Register
The Daily Sceptic
No Result
View All Result
  • Articles
  • About
  • Archive
    • ARCHIVE
    • NEWS ROUND-UPS
  • Podcasts
  • Newsletter
  • Premium
  • Donate
  • Log In
The Daily Sceptic
No Result
View All Result

Florida Governor Calls Special Legislative Session to Defeat Vaccine Mandates

by Luke Perry
15 November 2021 10:52 AM

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (pictured) has called a special legislative session in which lawmakers will try to effectively outlaw vaccine mandates (whether they are imposed by private businesses or local governments) throughout the state. In particular, the session will likely revolve around the discussion of four bills that would increase the fines on companies and government agencies which introduce mandatory vaccination measures. The Guardian has more.

The special legislative session will be about “a combination of policy and politics”, said Aubrey Jewett, a Political Science Professor at the University of Central Florida, adding that DeSantis is following Trump’s lead in being staunchly against mask and vaccine mandates.

According to an agenda released by the Governor’s office, a body of legislators dominated by Republicans will consider four bills to impose penalties on businesses and local governments that require workers to be vaccinated against Covid.

“No cop, no firefighter, no nurse, nobody should be losing their job because of these jabs,” DeSantis said in a media release, echoing a previous plea for first responders from other states to relocate to Florida if they do not wish to be vaccinated by mandate.

“We’re going to be striking a blow for freedom,” DeSantis said.

Resistance to vaccine mandates and other public health measures to combat Covid has spread in Republican states and among Republican politicians using it to buttress their pro-Trump bona fides and attack the Biden administration.

By Sunday, the U.S. had recorded nearly 763,000 deaths from Covid, out of more than 47 million cases. Florida has recorded the third-highest state death toll, with more than 62,600, behind only California and Texas. Around 58% of the population is fully vaccinated.

On Friday, a conservative federal court in New Orleans refused to lift a stay it imposed on a Biden administration rule which says businesses with 100 or more employees must insist on vaccinations or masks and regular testing from January 4th.

The administration has said it is confident the rule is legal and will ultimately prevail.

DeSantis has railed against vaccine mandates but is vaccinated himself, according to media reports.

Worth reading in full.

Tags: FloridaMandatory VaccinesRon DeSantis

Donate

We depend on your donations to keep this site going. Please give what you can.

Donate Today

Comment on this Article

You’ll need to set up an account to comment if you don’t already have one. We ask for a minimum donation of £5 if you'd like to make a comment or post in our Forums.

Sign Up
Previous Post

Negative Vaccine Effectiveness Isn’t a New Phenomenon – It Turned Up in the Swine Flu Vaccine

Next Post

Australian Care Home Residents May Have Died From Neglect After Staff Were Furloughed

Subscribe
Login
Notify of
Please log in to comment

To join in with the discussion please make a donation to The Daily Sceptic.

Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.

102 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago

By Sunday, the U.S. had recorded nearly 763,000 deaths from Covid, out of more than 47 million cases. Florida has recorded the third-highest state death toll, with more than 62,600, behind only California and Texas. Around 58% of the population is fully vaccinated.

Good old Guardian. Don’t also say that Florida has the third highest population. Also don’t say that the mortality rate in Florida has effectively fallen to zero.

105
0
djmo
djmo
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

You’re not suggesting that numbers 1 and 2 for population are California and Texas, are you? That can’t possibly be right. I mean, that would indicate that the Grauniad was deliberately giving the false impression that that stat had some relevance to the story.

41
0
miketa1957
miketa1957
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

Yes, its strange. They could have reported than Florida has the 8th highest per-capita mortality rate, which would sound quite bad (though, of course, Florida has an aged population) while California is 35th. Makes me wonder, a bit, how much is maintaining a narrative, and how much is total stupidity. Likely both.

27
0
JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

They could also have reported the much more appropriate figure of deaths per million, in which New York State comes higher than Florida (thanks to granny killer Cuomo and his care home fiasco).

There are a number of states that rank higher than Florida on these terms, some of which are southern states which are among the poorest and which have large populations of African Americans who are, not without justification, somewhat distrusting of government medical services (Tuskegee).

To act as if all the states are exactly the same size with exactly the same level of resources is either disingenous or the journalist is incredibly stupid. Why not compare Alaska’s 801 deaths to Florida’s 60,698? Without mentioning, of course, Alaska’s population of 731,545 compared to Florida’s of 21,477,737

31
0
BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Florida has the second highest number or retirees (behind California which has a much larger population). In short, it has the highest per capita population of those most at-risk of dying from COVID, the elderly. Florida SHOULD lead the nation in COVID deaths given the large numbers of elderly citizens who reside in this state … but it does not.

I live in a border state to Florida (Alabama). Florida’s per capita rate of deaths, cases and hospitalizations is LOWER than Alabama’s. And Florida did not lock down its society or require masks anywhere close to the extent that Alabama did.

In the panhandle of Florida (2 hours from my town), beach communities have been covered up with visitors and tourists since mid 2020. I haven’t seen any “super spreader” events in these beach communities like Panama City Beach, Destin, the beaches of 30-A, etc. In fact, waiters and bar tenders from all over the country seem to be flocking to these communities.

Last edited 3 years ago by BillRiceJr
14
0
tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Guardian editors – maintaining a narrative

Guardian readers – total stupidity

15
0
David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Guardian: totally discredited, worthless propaganda sheet – no longer to be taken seriously as a ‘newspaper’

11
0
DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Was it ever taken seriously, other than by thicko lefties?

1
0
John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I’d have thought it was ‘Guardian readers – demanding a narrative’.

3
0
John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

and how much is total stupidity.

We are talking Grauniad here. Nowadays, it’s just snowflakery tagged onto a worthwhile cryptic crossword.

4
0
Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Just to think, I used to read that shit in the belief it led the way in investigative journalism. Lol.
It probably did – but WTF has happened to it over the last 2 years – same with the bastards in control of the BBC.

5
0
JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

I can vaguely remember buying daily issues of it on paper, years ago, and it did have a political effect on me, but time moves on. I did read it online for a while, but never shelled out subs; glad I didn’t. I guess one could say that one of the negative effects of the Covid-19 débacle is the loss of a reader or two.

1
0
tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

Perish the thought!

2
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

People still read that trash?

3
0
stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

More evidence that these established media people are either scumbags, or stupid or both.

Not a word about the logical arguments. Nothing about the merits of the pro freedom position.

The only reason for De Santis’ position is he is playing politics and in case that isn’t clear enough, they paint him a bit with the pro-Trumo brush. Just in case some Guardian readers out there are too stupid to catch the drift.

Total scumbags.

19
0
Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Plus Florida has also (and by a long way) the oldest population, i.e. the most OAPs per capita in the US. If they bothered to compare even the death rate, which still doesn’t take into account the aforementioned (significant) factor, they are mid-table, which is very respectable, noting also that DeSantis and his team have, unlike many other administrations, especially those in Blue states, have learnt from the pandemic experience and seemingly are very much on top of things, with very low case levels and almost no deaths, despite being one of the most open states with practically zero restrictions.

#DeSantisForPresident

13
0
JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

The age group in Florida has been mentioned in a few posts, and I’m aware of that from previous travels there and other states across the pond, but it may be that a lot of those who relocate to Florida after retirement are relatively well off, and have probably done a good job at managing their health over the years. Thus a lot of them are possibly less vulnerable to whatever, compared with the average.

0
0
Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

I would also guess that Florida has more than its fair share of elderly people living there

4
0
nickbowes
nickbowes
3 years ago

At this stage, this brave Governor looks like the leader of the free world.

99
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Free-ish world, at best, I think.

29
0
BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Just going to say this myself… 😁

8
0
sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I was about to type the same thing. Except he needs a better fitting suit.

8
-1
Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Go Ron.

De Santis for president

5
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago

The advantages of a federal system, when the central government is trying to impose evil such as mandated experimental therapies, termed “vaccines” with misleading intent.

36
0
Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Unfortunately in Britain the Scottish and Welsh governments have been even worse than the British government which in England stands in for a non-existent “state” government. Just an observation. It doesn’t have to be like that, but it is like that.

23
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

True. This is a general feature of liberal (by that I mean here less centrally controlled) systems. They allow for both better and worse.

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
10
0
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

But then it allows people to compare. What’s gone wrong is the failure of appropriate comparison “thanks” to MSM censorship.

Last edited 3 years ago by TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
6
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

True.

1
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I remember “liberal” when it meant “liberal”…

2
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

That was back when we spoke English rather than American.

2
-1
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

We are no longer “governed” in the UK, rather administered and regulated by faceless unelected bureaucrats and stooges such as Neil Ferguson a man whose models make those of the climate crazies look good. So bad we based all our Covid policy on them. He screwed up with Swine ‘flu as well in 2009 and HE’s still employed, ffs

7
0
JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

“Permanent Secretary” is the normal job title at the top end, for good reasons. Much more secure financially than any politician.

0
0
Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

I hope that Governor DeSantis has a large and very serious personal protection detail, and that Florida is expanding its State military – I don’t imagine they’ll have problems recruiting men (yes, men) from the Federal Fortification Forces.

37
0
kate
kate
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

And police. and firemen. and doctors and nurses.

5
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“DeSantis has railed against vaccine mandates but is vaccinated himself, according to media reports.”

The Guardian probably think this is some kind of slimy “hypocrisy” smear against DeSantis, because they are too stupid to understand that there is a perfectly legitimate and respectable position that says these experimental therapies should be available to those who want them but must not be mandated.

There is also a legitimate position that says they should not be available at all because they have not been properly tested and the pretext for authorising them ahead of proper safety testing was a dishonest claim of an “emergency”.

The position that is fundamentally illegitimate is, of course, the one embraced by the totalitarian leftists, that says the government is entitled to imposed medical treatments for ordinary disease risks by coercion.

83
-2
Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Also the editors at the Guardian would like to think all vaccine resisters in Florida are boneheaded “non-graduate” redneck Trump supporters, but that isn’t so, either in Florida or in any other state in the US.

Robert F Kennedy Jr, for example, is a Democrat.

38
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Indeed. Though I’m not aware of any senior elected Democrat executive opposing vaccine mandates. I’m open to correction on this if anyone knows of one.

11
0
sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I heard of one the other day. Maybe Ohio? I don’t remember

5
0
sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Oklahoma?

3
0
sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Kansas!

3
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Seems that’s the one. Though her Republican rival seems to imply she’s a bit of a johnny come lately to the resistance, and maybe results like the recent Virginia one might persuade a few more Dems to decide their electoral bread is buttered on the liberty side after all, rather than that of collectivist tyranny…:

“Kelly is up for reelection next year. GOP challenger Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt’s campaign team hit back in a statement on Kelly’s remarks, saying she has remained quiet on Biden’s vaccine mandate for two months, while Schmidt has been fighting the mandate. 
“Attorney General Schmidt has been fighting Joe Biden’s mandates since the moment they were announced. After two months of silence, Laura Kelly has now voiced her concerns some 36 hours after her party suffered defeat in blue state Virginia – words accompanied by no action. Kansans are smart, and can see which candidate is acting on principle defending their livelihood and which is making a desperate political ploy to save her own job,” Schmidt’s campaign manager CJ Grover tweeted Friday. ”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-governor-kelly-kansas-biden-vaccine-mandate

8
0
David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Star

Guardian = Marxist -Feminist rag – no longer to be taken seriously.

5
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Went down the pan years ago, when Rusbridger became Editor.

I was brought up on what was then the “Manchester Guardian”. Moved to London and the rest is history.

6
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

I used to read the Guardian regularly on the basis that it’s healthy to consider the arguments of those you disagree with. I gave up a few years back when the Guardian’s content became too inane and too dishonest to be worth even considering, except as a guide to what the “technocrat” idiots think signals their virtue to their fellows.

7
0
Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

De Santis is entirely free to choose whether or not he wants to be jabbed, if that is what he feels is necessary to protect his health.

If he has decided that is what he wants for his own health, what he is doing by opposing the mandate is saying that everyone else in his state should have that freedom to also make that choice for themselves, as opposed to having a medical intervention forced upon them by a federal law. I applaud him. More power to his elbow.

9
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Yes. Though isn’t that pretty much what I wrote?

I suppose you are endorsing the first of the valid positions I suggested, and rejecting the second, while agreeing with me that the third was unacceptable.

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
0
0
Star
Star
3 years ago

If this proposal is how it’s described here, then I support it.

Good to hear that one of the results would be that business owners will be penalised by the state if they threaten workers with the sack for resisting vaccination.

“four bills to impose penalties on businesses and local governments that require workers to be vaccinated against Covid“.

19
0
WM
WM
3 years ago

I am glad that this site links to left wing news media for stories. It is fascinating to see the framing. Somehow, the Guardian manages to frame this action around Trump. In right wing media in the US, Trump is almost completely out of the conversation, especially among vaccine skeptics.

26
0
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  WM

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-october-ratings-crash-1-million-viewer-mark

The right laugh-linking is probably a good deal of their traffic.

8
0
karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  WM

I used to visit the Guardian YouTube just to see what they are getting hot and bothered about, now I also flip through the comments which are often overwhelmingly hostile.

To their credit they seem to allow comments on every post and either leave all the hostile ones up or are very slow to remove them.

5
-2
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Front page is enough to know they’ve all been dosed with PCP.

3
0
karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

I never do more than glance over the front page of their printed effort.

0
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  WM

Trump Derangement Syndrome rules. Was a time you could turn on BBC Radio 4, and whatever the programme, whatever the subject, you’d be battered with

Trump
Climate Change
Covid
Transgendering (Women’s Hour retitled Transgender Hour, SO obsessed were they)

BBC now so lost that mostly they talk to themselves.

Sport on R5 still OK. The rest utter ****ing wibble.

5
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

Easy to forget now just how dominated that Trump derangement coverage was, during his presidency, by the Russia collusion hoax – now steadily unravelling, long after it largely achieved its mendacious goals as a result of systematic pushing by the media operations that had no excuse for not knowing at the time how dishonest it was:

Kash Patel connects the dots on Russia hoax

4
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago

GOP State Officials Push Back on Employer Vaccine Mandate
Republican governors, lawmakers and attorneys general are forming a wall of opposition to President Joe Biden’s plan to require vaccinations or COVID-19 testing at all private employers of 100 workers or more.

“Republican governors or attorneys general in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and South Dakota said Thursday they would file lawsuits against the mandate. The Daily Wire, a conservative media company, filed a challenge in federal court on Thursday. So did companies in Michigan and Ohio represented by a conservative advocacy law firm.”

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
16
0
Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

You’ve probably seen this. The judgment is pretty unequivocal, worth a read, rousing stuff, snippet below:

US Fifth Circuit (Federal) Appeals Court affirms the stay on Biden’s employee vaccine mandate. Judges appointed by Reagan and Trump.

https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/21/21-60845-CV0.pdf

Be interesting to see whether this gets to the US Supreme Court and whether the wobbly “conservatives” on it like Roberts have the guts to apply the law.

“The Constitution vests a limited legislative power in Congress. For
more than a century, Congress has routinely used this power to delegate
policymaking specifics and technical details to executive agencies charged
with effectuating policy principles Congress lays down. In the mine run of
cases—a transportation department regulating trucking on an interstate
highway, or an aviation agency regulating an airplane lavatory—this is
generally well and good. But health agencies do not make housing policy, and
occupational safety administrations do not make health policy. Cf. Ala. Ass’n
of Realtors, 141 S. Ct. at 2488–90. In seeking to do so here, OSHA runs afoul
of the statute from which it draws its power and, likely, violates the
constitutional structure that safeguards our collective liberty.”

7
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes. Seems like it’s bound to get to the SC, and that decision will be a crucial one.

And that’s why it’s so vitally important to stop Dems appointing activist judges. Conservative judges are by definition better for resisting tyranny. And that in turn is why the treason of “RINO” Republicans (like our “Conservatives”, basically) is so devastating for the long term:

Tucker Carlson: Lindsey Graham has helped Biden reshape the federal judiciary

3
0
BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

If it goes to the USSC, they’ll vote for the more-virtuous-than-thou “us” not we the scurvy “them.”

They know they have the Courts … ju ust like they have the Fourth Estate and all the other institutions, including the military which has become “woke” in record time.

1
0
loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago

The Guardian: the newspaper for stupid people who think themselves frightfully clever.

39
0
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

The paper of Dunning Kruger afflicted.

9
0
cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago

Any evidence to support the assertion that 763,000 people died from covid in the US?

14
0
crisisgarden
crisisgarden
3 years ago

I hope Florida secedes from the union so that I can take my family to live there!

27
0
RickH
RickH
3 years ago

Standing aside from the particulars, this, logically, should be a no contest in legal terms – especially in a country that boasts its constitutional framework like the U.S.

This is a bit hopeful. But what we are seeing across the purportedly ‘democratic’ globe is that governments in general are not having to provide an evidential basis for their decisions. Courts are often just making judgments on narrowly defined bases relating to executive ‘rights’. It seems that citizens rights don’t get a look in on the basis of measures being proportionate to the problem and backed by a high standard of proof.

It’s not far from that to arbitrary political arrest.

8
0
Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

See my post a bit further down/up

1
0
RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes. There are many facets to this (and I don’t think I’m exaggerating) collapse of the rule of law as we understand it.

5
0
peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yep, government by ‘declaration’. CDC making rental ‘law’ , now OSHA being used to impose vaccine ‘law’.
It will go to the Supremes, will the so-called conservatives hold to the constitution or let the exceutive ride rough shod? Don’t think anyone is money on it, so Florida’s ( and other States) moves are very significant. Seccession is not impossible.

5
0
BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Secession is the ultimate end game … and the giant elephant in the room. It’s the only way to stop all of these unconstitutional federal mandates … and more are sure to be on the way.

Now what leader – with enough followers and charisma – is the first to push for this?

0
0
Squire Western
Squire Western
3 years ago

De Santis for President!

16
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Squire Western

Never mind President, I’d back him for PM.

10
0
Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

That’s the difference between our systems. Our Dear Leaders are by necessity the most astute party-political animals, adept in nothing except back-slapping and back-stabbing.

Only with open-ballot Presidential and Gubernatorial systems can you get a Trump or a DeSantis. The closest we’ve got are city Mayors, but they have little power beyond making the buses run on time.

1
0
J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

While in the UK a judge has ruled against the wishes of a parent not to ‘vaccinate’ their child. I wonder what, if any, recourse is available to the parents if that child is damaged by the jab, or even killed. This is uncharted territory.

23
0
stewart
stewart
3 years ago

This is by no means an insignificant event.

Put yourself in the position of a business that on the one hand has been told by the Federal Government to discriminate against unjabbed and on the other hand instructed by the State government to not discriminate.

Both will fine you if you don’t comply but you can’t obey both laws because they are diametrically opposed.

It is an impossible situation which presumably gets resolved by the Supreme Court in what may be the most important and consequential ruling since Roe v Wade.

I’m not sure the union survives a such a consequential ruling that goes once again to the left

9
0
BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

In Oklahoma, the same dynamic is at work. The Department of Defense mandates all military personnel – including the National Guard and Reserve members – to get vaccinated or get fired. However, the National Guard is controlled by state governors. The Oklahoma governor just fired the National Guard commander who supported mandatory vaccines and appointed another one who rescinded the federal order, saying the State governor is the commander of National Guard personnel. No one has to get vaccinated per this new order.

So who trumps whom? Again, it’s a federalism question. The federal government will almost certainly win because they control most of the purse strings and will punish states with removal of federal dollars who do not comply.

0
0
Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

Meanwhile. The Rapists Dad at a Diwali celebration yesterday. Not a mask in sight.

mark-drakeford-dancing.jpg (1000×666) (nation.cymru)

12
0
Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The Welsh seem to like him. Some people stopped outside his house a few months ago and shouted “Freedom!” – by this I can only assume they meant Mark had the freedom to get out there and waggle his bum at the disco, and he took them up on it.

6
0
Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

He’s an absolute hero, unlike any in our government!

13
0
Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

This is good – copied from GP.

LETTER TO BRITISH SOCIETY OF IMMUNOLOGY
10 NOVEMBER 2021
PANDA requested that the British Society of Immunology amend public messaging as it grossly misrepresents the data available on COVID-19 and immunology in general.

Here’s the link https://www.pandata.org/let…

11
0
Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago

This man needs to be the next President of the US. He is both all the best of Trump without the worst, plus, unlike the vast majority of GOP members of Congress, he is as much of a doer as he is a sayer. Maybe I should start to call him ‘Ron Seal’ rather than Ron DeSantis, given he does what he says and is a plain-speaking man? 😉

21
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

DeSantis would make a fine president, but a second Trump term would be far better imo, ideally with no significant Republican Party Primary opposition, as a straight rebuke to the leftist theft of the 2020 election (I mean by media/big tech manipulation, not necessarily by outright vote rigging, though there might well have been plenty of that).

Trump in truth was (rather unexpectedly) a pretty good President, in the face of massive political, judicial and media sabotage, and he’ll have learned a lot of very useful lessons in that first term.

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
23
-6
RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

 “a second Trump term” aka ‘Biden’ – a doddering, incoherent and fraudulent elite tool – albeit with superficially different politics.

Stupidity comes in 57 varieties – and they all taste bad.

Last edited 3 years ago by RickH
1
-7
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

No, Trump was in no way doddering and was completely different from Biden in almost every way. And he certainly was not actually senile, as Biden is and was during the campaign, though the media concealed it from the voters.

Your opinions about Trump personally here are either outright lies on your part, or just you choosing to believe all the outright lies given in the Trump-hating media because it suits your politics.

Your opinions about his politics merely reflect your inability to grasp politics generally post-1979, and specifically your lack of comprehension of modern US politics, the abandonment of ordinary Americans by the Democrat Party, and Trump’s political success by giving those voters the political respect they are entitled to. Liking or disliking Trump’s politics versus Biden’s is a matter of legitimate political disagreement, but asserting that there is no fundamental difference is just flat wrong (and basically ignorant, on your part).

8
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Limey here, and lifelong USA lover and watcher. I’d say that Trump was the natural outcome of 8 utterly divisive race-baiting years of the clinical Narcissist Obama. So utterly did this derange the Dems they thought it a really good idea to elect a corrupt man with senile dementia. Who holds the puppet strings? Is this in reality Obama’s 3rd term.

God Bless America.

7
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

I’d say you’re pretty much correct there. I’d extend it slightly beyond just Obama, it was a general abandonment of the US indigenous working class by the Democrats and RINO Republican globalist uniparty, over decades (much as the indigenous working class here was abandoned decades ago by the Labour Party and globalist left elites).

Victor Davis Hanson put it well, imo, earlier this year:

“It’s tragic that this country is at this place right now, because it didn’t have to be this way. They could have said Donald Trump represented a lost constituency that … globalised culture had ignored in a very amoral fashion and that was an understandable pushback, but the way to beat Donald Trump is to appeal to his voters in the way that the Democratic Party used to do, and win them back. They didn’t do that. They didn’t do that because they wanted open borders, and they’re tribalists that believe in identity politics, and they don’t care about people of the working class any more, and they feel that their money and their power and their titles and their degrees have allowed them to be an unquestioned elite. Sort of Platonic Guardians that we … don’t dare question.”

Victor Davis Hanson on Impeachment and the ‘Cancer’ of Woke Ideology | American Thought Leaders

10 Feb
American Thought Leaders – The Epoch Times

4
0
RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“you choosing to believe all the outright lies given in the Trump-hating media because it suits your politics”

As usual, you fall flat on your face by tripping over preconceptions for the simple-minded (and as if the Trump imagined here didn’t suit your politics). I dislike his politics as much as I dislike Biden’s – a fairly balanced view – and for good reasons. The US in general has lost any sense of direction, and Trump wouldn’t even recognize a compass.

Carry on with your believed narrative, Mark. It won’t alter the record of the actual history of both the current bundle of senile glove puppetry and the last old fraudster snake-oil salesman with the silver spoon.

Trump ‘giving respect’? Please don’t make me laugh – it’s the usual flummery for sectional advantage. The art of the con artist.

Republicans or Democrats – the underlying politics remains much the same – two cheeks of the same deep state arse.

Anyway, this hero worship and Trump PR is departing from more important issues than a fan club celebrating tattered has-beens.

1
-6
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The reason Trump was so poisonously hated by the globalist bipartisan elite was precisely because he failed to toe their lines, and remain within the window of acceptability that they thought they had safely nailed in place, between the Democrat and Republican party machines pushing in the same globalist, socially leftist direction.

If you failed to see that basic reality, then you might as well give up trying to understand US politics. Which is a shame, because it would help bring you to an understanding of the modern reality as far as UK politics is concerned.

6
0
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It was the Choom gang drug courier who thought there were 57 states.

2
0
Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

As some have alluded to, Trump was already an oldie (though far more alert and springhtly than Biden or many younerg predecessors), but the main issue he had, and still has is that he is not experienced in the very needed practice of dealing with people in the legaslature.

He made many enemies there, he why a good number (though not enough to ‘convict’ him) of GOP senators and Reps, and IMHO his biggest mistake was how he handled the Coof early on – he should’ve fired Fauci and many crony colleagues, but his inexperience in politics and naivete in dealing with ‘experts’ meant he didn’t have a team ready to go, unlike DeSantis who did.

With DeSantis, whilst the Left hate him, none of the smears stick because he plays their system very well and has all the facts to hand (and obviously knows them himself or is at least incredibly well briefed). He is able to rebutt them instantly and very effectively. He is also not tainted by the false allegations the MSM levelled at Trump. He also has a significant success in handling the Pandemic in his state whilst allowing it to essentially stay open throughtout.

4
0
Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Age might be an issue for Trump in three years time, but it also might not. He’s clearly far more vigorous personally than Biden, and he’s obviously the type that is energised by crowds and by debating and campaigning.

Lack of experience with the legislature has not been a problem for presidents in the past – Ronald Reagan’s political experience was only executive, as governor.

A lot of Trump’s problems first time around were indeed down to inexperience, but more so to a degree of naivety on his part, in underestimating the hatred and corrupt dishonesty of his enemies within the federal structures and in US elite society generally, and therefore the dishonest depths they would be prepared to plumb in order to oppose him, but that won’t be an issue second time around.

Age could be the stumbling block, for sure. But if he’s up to it physically and mentally then a second Trump presidency would be the most just and satisfying outcome.

DeSantis is the next generation, assuredly. Ideally we would see Trump’s second presidential term followed by two terms for DeSantis or someone like him. That would go some way to mucking out the Augean Stables of Washington.

3
0
Annie
Annie
3 years ago

I ADORE THAT MAN.

7
0
thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

If only we had politicians of that calibre!

8
0
Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

wonder how he has managed to avoid being nobbled by Gates. Or maybe Gates gave it a go and Ron told him where to get off.

2
0
thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

Meanwhile in Wales. Cardiff. Mark Drakeford, who demanded masks in all indoor spaces, vaccine passport extensions and threatened that Christmas could be cancelled… Gets busy on a crowded dance floor, maskless obvs. It’s all theatre.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1459968593475649540

Drakeford’s hypocrisy called out on GBNews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IPbXLSyDi4

14
0
tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

I have no idea how likely the Governor is to succeed but I hope he does. It would set a precedent that just might start to shift the groupthink.

8
0
JeremyP99
JeremyP99
3 years ago

FYI, my dump of med papers, articles and wot not on Covid. Please share the link

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/t92cs972ihpb7/Covid

5
0
BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  JeremyP99

I see I’m not the only person who has been busy saving contrarian stories and studies. Thanks for sharing these with fellow researchers. I look forward to reading your book when you publish it (if you can find a publisher).

5
0
tony rattray
tony rattray
3 years ago

Fife passports please! The event was only open to people who were fully vaccinated

Note how the language has completely changed (what happened to the zero-covid strategy, etc. of wee nici) and still of course covid spreads amongst the vaccinated. But don’t tell all those care workers who have just been sacked, its called “the science”.

Student charity ball linked to spike in St Andrews Covid cases – BBC News

Last edited 3 years ago by tony rattray
4
0
BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago

Here’s the real Constitutional issue: Can an unknown, unelected bureaucrat for the federal agency OSHA mandate that a majority of Americans get a vaccine?

America is supposed to be a “republic” where such mandates and rules (not laws passed by Congress) could not be imposed on all citizens of all 50 states.

It’s a “states rights” issue/debate. The last time America had a big debate on this topic it lead to a dozen states seceding from the union. That would-be divorce was put down in part because the key issue was framed as being slavery. But today states like Florida are not charged with protecting slavery. So presumably the next debate/war won’t have such a black-and-white key issue.

Last edited 3 years ago by BillRiceJr
2
0
Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

“America is supposed to be a “republic” where such mandates and rules (not laws passed by Congress) could not be imposed on all citizens of all 50 states.”

US Fifth Circuit (Federal) Appeals Court agrees with you

https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/21/21-60845-CV0.pdf

0
0
RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

I like this guy. If he doesn’t become President we will know that the American people WANT to destroy America.

5
0
David Stacey
David Stacey
3 years ago

Average age in Florida 42.5. Ranked 5th
Average age in California 37. Ranked 45th

1
0
LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

MSM is trying to make fun of people wanting to protect themselves with cheap and proven drugs. Ivermectin has been FDA approved for human use since 1996. It also beats Pfizer’s new wonder drug hands down, and costs next to nothing. Ivermectin doesn’t make tons of money. So they know the Covid shot is on its final gasp, so they take it add something different to it, rebrand under another name and charge 20 times what they would for ivermectin. I cannot wrap my head around this nonsense. When I explain this to my relatives they label me as crazy and ask me if I know better than science. I don’t make up these information out of my ass. All this information is true and proven. For some people it is near impossible for them to wake up. They are comfortable in their clown world life. If you want to get Ivermectin you can visit https://ivmpharmacy.com

1
0
ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  LonePatriot

This interview with Robert Malone has the power to wake people up, he tells some big truths and this is from the horses mouth, the creator of the technology that everyone has been injected with. You cant argue with that.

Dr. Malone: “This is the Largest Experiment Performed on Human Beings in the History of the World.”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/USjnrt3dcmA6/

2
0

NEWSLETTER

View today’s newsletter

To receive our latest news in the form of a daily email, enter your details here:

DONATE

PODCAST

The Sceptic | Episode 38: Chris Bayliss on the Commonwealth Voting Scandal, Sarah Phillimore on the Bar’s Scrapped EDI Plans and Eugyppius on ‘White Genocide’

by Richard Eldred
30 May 2025
2

LISTED ARTICLES

  • Most Read
  • Most Commented
  • Editor’s Picks

Miliband Plots 15% Net Zero Tax on Gas Bills AND a ‘Family Bathtime Tax’ on Water Bills

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

The Hallett Inquiry Must Stop Now

1 June 2025
by Dr Andrew Bamji and Dr Angus Dalgleish

News Round-Up

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

It’s Time for the Truth. Here’s the Covid Paper They Don’t Want You to Read

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

Two Dead and 192 Injured After PSG’s Champions League Victory Descends Into Chaos

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

Miliband Plots 15% Net Zero Tax on Gas Bills AND a ‘Family Bathtime Tax’ on Water Bills

35

The Hallett Inquiry Must Stop Now

21

News Round-Up

26

It’s Time for the Truth. Here’s the Covid Paper They Don’t Want You to Read

18

Is Criticising George Soros for Things He Is Actually Doing Really ‘Antisemitic’, or Just Honest?

20

Hermer and Starmer Masquerade as Human Rights Laywers. But in Reality They’re Merciless Authoritarians

2 June 2025
by Laurie Wastell

Rewarding the WHO for Covid Failures

1 June 2025
by Ramesh Thakur

The Hallett Inquiry Must Stop Now

1 June 2025
by Dr Andrew Bamji and Dr Angus Dalgleish

Is Criticising George Soros for Things He Is Actually Doing Really ‘Antisemitic’, or Just Honest?

1 June 2025
by Steven Tucker

Basic Physics All at Sea in Sky News Climate Scare Nonsense Story

31 May 2025
by Chris Morrison

POSTS BY DATE

November 2021
M T W T F S S
1234567
891011121314
15161718192021
22232425262728
2930  
« Oct   Dec »

SOCIAL LINKS

Free Speech Union

NEWSLETTER

View today’s newsletter

To receive our latest news in the form of a daily email, enter your details here:

POSTS BY DATE

November 2021
M T W T F S S
1234567
891011121314
15161718192021
22232425262728
2930  
« Oct   Dec »

DONATE

LISTED ARTICLES

  • Most Read
  • Most Commented
  • Editor’s Picks

Miliband Plots 15% Net Zero Tax on Gas Bills AND a ‘Family Bathtime Tax’ on Water Bills

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

The Hallett Inquiry Must Stop Now

1 June 2025
by Dr Andrew Bamji and Dr Angus Dalgleish

News Round-Up

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

It’s Time for the Truth. Here’s the Covid Paper They Don’t Want You to Read

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

Two Dead and 192 Injured After PSG’s Champions League Victory Descends Into Chaos

1 June 2025
by Richard Eldred

Miliband Plots 15% Net Zero Tax on Gas Bills AND a ‘Family Bathtime Tax’ on Water Bills

35

The Hallett Inquiry Must Stop Now

21

News Round-Up

26

It’s Time for the Truth. Here’s the Covid Paper They Don’t Want You to Read

18

Is Criticising George Soros for Things He Is Actually Doing Really ‘Antisemitic’, or Just Honest?

20

Hermer and Starmer Masquerade as Human Rights Laywers. But in Reality They’re Merciless Authoritarians

2 June 2025
by Laurie Wastell

Rewarding the WHO for Covid Failures

1 June 2025
by Ramesh Thakur

The Hallett Inquiry Must Stop Now

1 June 2025
by Dr Andrew Bamji and Dr Angus Dalgleish

Is Criticising George Soros for Things He Is Actually Doing Really ‘Antisemitic’, or Just Honest?

1 June 2025
by Steven Tucker

Basic Physics All at Sea in Sky News Climate Scare Nonsense Story

31 May 2025
by Chris Morrison

SOCIAL LINKS

Free Speech Union
  • Home
  • About us
  • Donate
  • Privacy Policy

Facebook

  • X

Instagram

RSS

Subscribe to our newsletter

© Skeptics Ltd.

Welcome Back!

Login to your account below

Forgotten Password? Sign Up

Create New Account!

Fill the forms below to register

All fields are required. Log In

Retrieve your password

Please enter your username or email address to reset your password.

Log In
No Result
View All Result
  • Articles
  • About
  • Archive
    • ARCHIVE
    • NEWS ROUND-UPS
  • Podcasts
  • Newsletter
  • Premium
  • Donate
  • Log In

© Skeptics Ltd.

wpDiscuz
You are going to send email to

Move Comment
Perfecty
Do you wish to receive notifications of new articles?
Notifications preferences