How often do we hear that the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test is the “gold standard” for detecting COVID-19 infection and thus for controlling and containing a COVID-19 epidemic? To question the accuracy of this test is supposedly part of the “misinformation” sceptics spread, which Ofcom, being guided by biased, Big Tech-funded, activist organisation Full Fact, aims to suppress.
In reality, serious questions about the proper use of PCR tests, particularly in mass screening programmes, have been asked since the technique was invented in 1985 and predate the Covid pandemic.
Since early 2020, there have been concerns that defining a “case” of COVID-19 merely in terms of a positive PCR test – with no consideration of clinical symptoms or the cycle threshold (Ct) of the test, which indicates the viral load of the patient – debases the concept of a clinical case and exaggerates the prevalence of the disease, fuelling alarm.
The issue was raised by Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina and colleagues in the Lancet in February 2021, where they concluded that the cycle thresholds in reported test data were such that only a quarter to a half of positive PCR tests were likely to indicate the presence of infectious COVID-19. The rest, they argued, were detecting post-infectious viral particles, meaning relying on PCR testing was overstating the number of infectious cases of COVID-19 by a factor of between two and four.
This conclusion has now been underlined in a research letter in the Journal of Infection by seven scientists from the Universities of Münster and Essen. After analysing the test results from a large laboratory in Münster that amounted to 80% of all Covid PCR tests in the Münster region during March to November 2020, they found that “more than half of individuals with positive PCR test results are unlikely to have been infectious”. They thus conclude: “RT-PCR test positivity should not be taken as an accurate measure of infectious SARS-CoV-2 incidence.”
They also note that asymptomatic positives have higher average Ct values than symptomatic positives, meaning lower viral load and so less likely to be infectious.
Asymptomatic individuals with positive RT-PCR test results have higher Ct values and a lower probability of being infectious than symptomatic individuals with positive results.
This isn’t to say that PCR tests are of no use in diagnosing COVID-19. PCR amplifies tiny amounts of genetic material until it can be detected, and can certainly be used to detect the presence of SARS-CoV-2. However, some doubt the validity of the PCR test protocols for COVID-19 and so question whether it is even detecting a real virus. However, since a large proportion of samples are currently being genetically sequenced to determine which variant they are, there can be no serious doubt that a real virus with known genetic structure is being detected in the tests.
When viral incidence is low or declining, that’s when the PCR test becomes much less reliable and tends greatly to overstate the prevalence of the disease (by two to four times, according to Michael Mina) and misdiagnoses people as being sick or infectious. When levels are surging and there is more infectious virus around it is much more likely to be accurate, at least in terms of indicating infectiousness, though questions about the proper use of the term “case” where no or mild symptoms are present remain.
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Um, isn’t this what sceptics have been saying all along? And getting called names for it as well.
Absolutely. The reality is that this test can be used by governments as a ‘volume’ knob for reporting increasing infections and deaths by simply upping the cycle number. Same for ‘proving’ the efficacy of the so called ‘vaccines’ by reducing the cycle number.
Yup.
The carcinogen-tipped PCR swabs have been reported to the police by former constable Mark Sexton in relation to allegations of terrorism and this is supposedly being investigated by Special Branch. Terrorism charges must be brought against the government because they have been terrorising the British people for political gain which is terrorism defined. The Conservative Party is now a de facto terrorist organisation operating in the UK which has no respect for the rule of law or the traditions of the country. The Conservative Party should now only be viewed in this light, as an hostile imposter organisation which has been infiltrated and occupied and which is being used to subvert and destroy British society by terrorists like Boris Johnson. Ditto the Labour Party under traitor to the British people Keir Starmer who is equally guilty of treason and worse. The Labour Party has willfully ignored clear evidence of conspiracy and is therefore guilty of helping to facilitate the terrorist crimes of the Conservative Party. Both need to be disbanded and all MPs must be treated as suspects and held in secure facilities so they cannot evade prosecution. Boris Johnson is a traitor who should be jailed for the rest of his life. He has overseen the most abhorrent acts of war and has ensured the smooth rollout of the most heinous crimes against the British people. The Lords have also failed in their duty to even so much as show a modicum of intelligence and they should also be investigated and charged where applicable.
EVEN TO THIS DAY WITH ALL THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SHORT MEDIUM AND LONG TERM HARM OF THESE INJECTIONS IN THE PUBLIC REALM, PLUS ALL THE DRUG TREATMENTS THEY HAVE DELIBERATELY SUPPRESSED WHICH HAS DIRECTLY CAUSED COUNTLESS DEATHS, THESE CRIMINALS ARE SETTING UP AND RUNNING MASSIVE POP-UP FACILITIES TO INJECT CHILDREN AND YOUNG ADULTS WITH POISON WHICH THEY KNOW 100% WILL PROVIDE ZERO BENEFITS BUT WHICH HAS EVERY CHANCE OF DESTROYING THEIR HEALTH FOREVER. MILLIONS OF THEM. THINK ABOUT THAT. THEY ARE STILL DOING THIS TO THIS DAY. THEY ARE GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
ALL MEDIA ORGANISATIONS ESPECIALLY THE BBC MUST ALSO BE INVESTIGATED AND THE MOST SERIOUS CHARGES OF TERRORISM & CONSPIRACY AND MALFEASANCE BROUGHT TO THEIR STAFF WHO ARE ENGAGED IN COMMITTING THESE CRIMES AGAINST THE PEOPLE.
It is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE & 100% ILLEGAL for a government to behave in this way. Those who have facilitated these crimes against the British people MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.
Mark Sexton recently reported Nadhim Zahawi and other criminals in the government to the police with a bundle of evidence. If the police don’t prosecute these clear cut crimes, there is no valid reason to obey the law in this country any more because the people in the government are committing genocide and no-one is prepared to do anything about it.
Here is the video of Mark Sexton reporting Nadhim Zahawi, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Chris Whitty, Matt Hancock and Dominic Raab to the police. He did a very good job here. Please watch it and share it widely to everyone you possibly can, so people can see with their own eyes that criminal activity is taking place, the police are aware, and if they don’t do anything about it, they are not fit for purpose and like every other infiltrated and subverted institution in the UK, should be bulldozed out of existence.
Mark Sexton Handing Over the Evidence 18th June 2021
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iFa3LGmUoOaS/
Mark Sexton’s Podcast Report to Police on 25.05.2021
https://www.buzzsprout.com/1789241/8587549
Dr. Mike Yeadon: Covid-19 Lies – The PCR Test
https://www.bitchute.com/video/k45zrvEIYkLT/
Watch Mark Sexton’s videos here. He has produced many very important documents for YOUR BENEFIT. He is a true hero and patriot and we must all support him in his most noble and worthy cause to bring justice to the criminals who are doing this to the British people and wider world
https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=mark%20sexton&kind=video
Dr. Yeadon – How can we support Mark Sexton — I want to support him. I watched the video yesterday wondered then what we could do…He is a brave and honest man like you and others who speak out he is a hero.
If you or anyone reading this knows what people like me can do to help and support him – please let me/us know….
Thanks for posting this. Excellent and impressive case presented to the police by Mr Sexton. I have forwarded it to others to share. The presentation is clear, calm and measured and might just have the capacity to make some sheep sit up and listen.
Yes – Brilliantly done by Mr Sexton ….. I hope more people will do the same.. Also I do hope people will take those masks off.. I saw that someone suggested they should all be sent to 10 Downing St – I thought this was a fantastic idea — – I will borrow one to send – I have NEVER worn one ..
Sorry – but dream on.
No-one thought the Berlin Wall would come down either
Conservative party? It’s the whole bloody lot. Starmer’s only “opposition” is to condemn Johnson for not being authoritarian enough.
Unfortunately this video doesn’t play.
Just watching this via Hugotalks.com as I read your comment. I couldn’t agree more.
I have become very frightened of our Government – They know these things – We all know these things but they seem completely obsessed with continuing to lie and deceive until they have coerced and blackmailed the young into taking an experimental jab which has not finished its trials and which they know is having dreadful side effects — I am frightened of what their motives are
“An experimental jab which has not finished its trials”. They can’t finish the trials because they’ve been unblinded and the control group have been offered the “vaccine”. The trials have been contaminated and ruined.
So – children will be condemned to death without trial.
Probably not many children. But the ones that die will be 199% dead.
No, there will be a lot of children and those not murdered will be infertile.
Like in The Handmaid’s Tale. And they were forced to wear masks too.
That is an essential point. The scam has eliminated any possibility of proper trialing.
Presumably there are enough people who have chosen not to have the vaccine to act as a control, if not in the U.K. then certainally in other countries such as the U.S. where the population has been less exposed to government propaganda. The big question is whether anyone would be brave enough to do the research in case the results show the vaccines aren’t that effective and they get hounded out of their job for reporting facts that don’t fit the narrative.
How frightening
We know these things. They know these things. And yet it seems the BBC does not – at least it treats such evidence as borderline conspiracy theory.
Motive?
Kill.
Depopulation.
Hate to admit it, but can think of no other reason.
“Asymptomatic cases”… you mean false positives.
Asymptomatic = healthy. Asymptomatic case is an oxymoron.
Eighteen months to discover the bleedin’ obvious.
How thick do you have to be to be a ‘scientist’ these days?
They are evil, weak, greedy, not thick
I think this is unfair on scientists in general. For example, Seneta Gupta, Carl Henegan, Karol Sikora, John Lee, Jay Bhattacharya, Martin Kulldorff (and all the scientists and medical people who signed the Great Barrington Declaration), Mike Yeadon, Robert Malone (invented mRNA tech, now warning about the vaccines, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_7E12VDE4), Brett Weinstein, all the scientists who have contributed to studies about how effective lockdowns are (not), and many many others. Oh, and not forgetting Anders Tegnell.
The problem is the media, who censor all these scientists.
I agree the media are a big part of this scam – but the government advisor “scientists” are absolutely evil, weak and greedy.
The Great Barrington resoundingly declares: We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine.
So three cheers for vaccines!
but not experimental “vaccines” with an element of coercion where the very real risks are deliberately obscured. That is the issue.
Agreed. Generally speaking, vaccines have been great. They have played a big part in freeing us from smallpox, TB, polio, etc. It’s the coercion – direct and indirect – that is appalling. And the way these ones have been rushed with inadequate trials.
If any real, acceptably safe enough, ones are ever developed. Part of the fraud is manipulating the definition a bit to call it a ‘vaccine’, is it not? A trial mitigation drug might not sell as well, though.
Of course and the above are a list of worthy, admirable people who have spoken out and for all of us. Thank God.
My comment above should have included the proviso of “run of the mill scientists.”
A telling comment from Dr. Yeadon in that long interview – that he had respect for these SAGE people as scientists – i.e. he was confident they knew what he knew – and therefore knew they were misleading us.
I work with a few scientists occasionally and believe me they are thick and stupid.
Getting to know these people has been an eye-opener – tunnel vision doesn’t come in to it.
More accurately “Eighteen months to acknowledge the bleedin’ obvious”. It had been public knowledge, highlighted by a good number of honest and decent scientists from Day 1 of the scam. It begs the question why scientists in the US and Germany are now claiming to have ‘discovered’ this now.
The times of covid are full of coincidences. Like the inventor of the pcr test dying of pneumonia at the age of 74 just months before his test becomes literally the biggest thing since sliced bread, right across the world. I think Kary Mullis would be spinning in his grave if he knew how his pcr test was being abused.
Died of pneumonia?
Or Covid1984?
Or David Kelly ed?
Who knows
Welcome to the Twilight Zone…
Hilarious that LDS posts content like this while having a banner ad across the site for a PCR testing company.
Fit to Fly PCR? How about fuck off.
Not necessarily.
Even Kary Mullis, the Nobel Prize winning inventor of the PCR test, stated, many times, that it was not the correct test for detecting specific flu strains etc.
So, as soon as Kary Mullis passes away, out comes the novel SARS-CoV2 (Covid 19), the limitations of the PCR tests are ignored, and the world goes quite mad…
Do not consent, do not comply, say “No”.
Remove the power from the criminals and make sure they are held to account.
It’s really annoying to see articles like this here. Yes, might be useful to know what’s hitting the MSM but really – I understood most of what I needed to know about PCR in June 2020 when Carl Heneghan on Radio 4 medical prog (yes, I still listened to Radio 4 a year ago) explained all about it, and told the presenter that as long as the testing was being done, the “pandemic” would never end.
I disagree. I want to see articles such as this on here. It informs the debate.
And, if this article was not posted here when would I see it?
UK Column News, v good, or Richie Allen Show maybe
You knew; I knew; most of us on here have known for a long time. But this is new information for some. For those who are starting to question, who are thirsting for the knowledge that brings understanding these facts are essential. They are not likely to find it in many other places.
The PCR test was and is a fraud and the key to get the hoax established and continued.
Us critics knew since May last year that the ct issue must be addressed and standardized for testing to be of any comparative value at least. Snippets, (often no) confirmation cycle, primers etc. were further issues that needed standardization and cohort studies were also recommended but never undertaken.
And if we knew this and as we told them and asked them for that standardization, they certainly knew all this as well.
As such it follows and is absolutely obvious, that they were and are misapplying these and all other tests deliberately and therefore with an evil intention.
This is further confirmed by the introduction of double standards with regards to the test criteria for the vaxxed and the uvaxxed, for which there cannot even be a medical argument invented.
Btw, sofar, this study is completely ignored by the German MSM- pretty similar to the demos in London by the British MSM.
No. PCR isn’t a fraud.
Misinterpretation is.
I normally agree with you Rick but here I disagree. The PCR test is being misused and the data is being falsified with CT manipulation.
A valid piece of scientific software has been misappropriated by evil people like Bliar and Gates of Hell in order to push through what may well lead to the end of humanity.
That’s precisely what I mean. It’s what Mullis says in that well-known video – that it’s not the PCR test, it’s the misinterpretation of what comes out of it – and that includes manipulation of Cts.
This is just scientific tautology. The maker of the PCR test stated from the outset that was not to be used for asymptomatic patients, and was only meant to confirm a diagnosis. The experts knew this and the government knew this, as well as most sceptical outlets and commenters who have been screaming it for months. But no, this test was hurriedly shoved up noses (a dangerous procedure btw) etc at the least excuse despite being completely inaccurate for the usage it was deployed in; unless the idea was to deliberately drive up the official C19 cases by at least a factor of 4.
So why the flap now – or is statin’ the bloomin’ obvious in a thousand ways going to be the way the experts extricate themselves from this deadly mess of their own making over the next few months?
When is a PCR test not a PCR test.
Interesting thread here which may just drag you back down the rabbit hole.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1405074033616429060
Or perhaps tempt one to walk into the centre of a hall of fluorescent mirrors, only to start spinning uncontrollably around and around for an indeterminate amount of cycles.
Thanks for the link!
I thought PCR was used to confirm a drs diagnosis, ohh sorry that 2018, silly me.
I question two things in Will’s writing.
The genetic sequencing on variants is just looking at a tiny portion of DNS/RNA its NOT looking at a whole virus. So its wrong to write that the PCR is testing SARS2. We just don’t know if that is true. The Drosten test is based on a computer generated sequence which is supposed to be part of the original Wuhan virus.
Wil is getting prevalence confused with the ability of the test to identify infectiousness. Its true that with low prevalence the false positive percentages represent the vast majority of positive results; and its also true that this percentage falls as the prevalence increases, but it is still significant. However this has nothing to do with the ability of the test to identify infectiousness. How can it, it doesn’t have that capability, it just measures RNA, not viral load. This is not news, Kary Mullis had always siad this.
Without proper dignosis by a doctor these tests are useless for measuring or predicting infectiousness.
According to the linked anaysis of vaccination linked deaths in care homes in 2021, the vaccination of vulnerable people may have directly led to 50,000 deaths. If you add this to the death numbers in care homes in the spring of 2020 by virtue of moving sick people from hospitals, the govenment may be directly responsible for getting onto 100,000 deaths in care homes. I repeat this is not ‘with or from ‘ covid, this is as a direct result of governmental/NHS actions.
https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/2021/06/mortality-data-during-the-vaccine-roll-out-period/
I watched Dan Gregory’s in depth interview of Joel Smalley on this at New Year. Made me feel sick. Still does. He’s kept up good work since on this on his twitter feed, being v careful what he writes to try and avoid being censored
I am sure 41 commenters before me said it already, so I will too:
We knew it all along, at last, really? That’s soo news to me! (sarcastic) etc, etc, etc,
Will it change anything? No.
My understanding of the testing has always been that a positive PCR test does not mean someone had Covid-19. Covid-19 is the disease that can potentially result of having the coronavirus. So a positive test resulted in a “case” but that didn’t mean they were actually sick – it just meant they tested positive for the virus. And as we all know, if the Ct was too high, it could mean an inactive previous virus etc. The old definition of a “case” involved a clinical diagnosis that may include a test. A clinical diagnosis means the person had actual symptoms.
Where have You been?
Gee and I thought the USA was becoming a Police State. I keep reading these posts about the totalitarian government in the UK and they are unbelievable.
These flawed tests massively exaggerate the level of infections.
‘More cases!’ Scream the tabloids, but this fear mongering is based on a test designed to increase fear, sell vaccines and provide control to globalists.
As Ive said before on these pages, get to the bottom of who designed these tests, and why, and you’ll understand what this crisis is really about.
Oh just fuck off. A year too late.
I have just visited Wickes in Glossop, Derbyshire. Masks 50/50 which was good to see. Strategically parked on the grass at the traffic lights is a (rented) LED message screen stating ‘ No symptoms? Get a Covid test at Fauvel Road’. This thing will never end………… Good to see that the golfer Jon Rahmmwas able to recover from his bout of Covid and win the US Open, all in 10 days, truly amazing, that PCR test must be incredibly accurate – not.
What…a… “surprise”…!
And still, the word ‘Cases’ dominates FFS. Whatever happened to infections? You know that thing that happens when you’re infectious and or ill?