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Age-Standardised Mortality Rate Falls To Lowest Level on Record, Again

by Noah Carl
18 June 2021 10:42 AM

The ONS announced today that there were 35,401 deaths registered in England in May, which is 9% less than in March, and 10.7% less than the five-year average. As I keep mentioning, however, the best overall measure of mortality isn’t the number of deaths, but rather the age-standardised mortality rate.

In May, the age-standardised mortality rate was 12% lower than in April, and a remarkable 16.7% lower than the five-year average. Like April’s figure, it was the lowest on record for that month. In fact, it was the second-lowest figure on record for any month. (The only lower figure was last August’s age-standardised mortality rate.)

This means that the last two months have both seen recorded-breakingly low levels of mortality. (The ONS’s dataset goes back as far as 2001, and given that mortality has been decreasing more-or-less continuously for the past few decades, April and May’s figures were probably the lowest ever.)

This chart from the ONS shows the age-standardised mortality rate for the first five months of the year, each year, going back to 2001:

Although 2021’s figure was higher than the figure for 2019, it was 2.2% lower than the figure for 2015 and 2.5% lower than the figure for 2018. This means that – despite higher-than-expected mortality in January and February – the overall level of mortality in the first five months of 2021 was actually lower than three years before.

The past three months have “cancelled out” more than 70% of the age-adjusted excess mortality observed in January and February. If June’s age-standardised mortality rate comes in as low as May’s, the overall level of mortality in the first five months of 2021 will be below the five-year average.

Stop Press: MailOnline reports that COVID-19 was the 24th leading cause of death in England in May, and made up fewer than 1% of all fatalities.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago

Clearly, lock-downs work then?

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Or the culling of the elderly in the care homes worked?

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

LONDON ANTI LOCKDOWN EVENTS https://www.standupx.info/
Sun, 20 Jun, 1pm – Streatham Common, SW16 5TF
Mon, 21 Jun, from 8am – Gather at Speaker’s Corner, Hyde Park
Mon, 21 Jun, from 12pm – Ready to march to Parliament from Speaker’s Corner

Is this just a Covid information website? It NEVER promoted the demonstration in advance. We do’t want to upset Good Ol’ Boris.

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mojo
mojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

Toby is still establishment and wants to be accepted. We must be grateful that his ante lockdown stance has enabled the facts to get out. Don’t expect anything to radical. Rod Liddle is the same. James Delingpole is probably the most genuinely wide eyed and red pilled. As is Laura Perrins and TCW

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Having spoken to all except Liddle, I agree.

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  mojo

JD is wide eyed or swivel eyed. Not sure which yet. He was wrong about Trump’s triumphant second coming (but right that Trump was unfairly traduced).

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

No no, it;s the vaccines! They make people immortal.

Lots of opposing factors I guess, deaths from the vaccines and untreated diseases don’t seem yet to be showing through.

My money’s on the lack of dry tinder which was already culled.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago

Here is my chart of age standardised mortality (ASM) for England which includes the May 2021 figure. The figure of 748.6 is the second lowest figure recorded for any month (August 2020 was the lowest ever at 746)

ASM adjusts mortality for the population size and age structure of the population, and so is a better comparison of mortality over time than raw death counts.

18th-june-monthly-ASM.jpg
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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

And here’s a chart of age standardised mortality for England for years up to May.

The year to May 2021 and the year to May 2020 don’t look particularly abnormal

Using June to May (inclusive of both months) gives a better comparison than calendar years which can be distorted based on whether Winter mortality kicks in before or after 31st December. June to May encompasses a full Winter season on the other hand.

18th-June-ASM-to-May-each-year.jpg
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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Great graph, everyone should see this.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

So mortality in England in 2020 was unprecedented.
Apart, that is, from every single year before 2010.

What a great graph to explode the heads of the zealots.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

A brief look at that chart shows how age standardisation introduces distortion into the overall picture. Points to those who spotted it.

Standardisation is very different from looking at the age structure of mortality.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

In 2001 around 16% of the UK population were aged over 65. It’s now about 25%.
In 2001 the UK population was about 59 million, it’s now around 67 million.

So you need to adjust for these things or else you may simply attribute higher death numbers to worsening mortality rather than the population getting larger or aging. And from the figures above these aren’t trivial affects.

If you are going to compare yearly deaths on an overall basis between years then the simplest and most obvious way to do that is through age standardisation.

I’ve no idea what you are suggesting should be used to compare mortality between years. Of course you can compare mortality in say everyone aged 1 between years, and then everybody aged 2 and so on, but how do you then create a single measure of how mortality has changed across the country as a whole?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

To remove population size as a factor you can just express mortality as a percentage

Life expectancy could also be a useful measure

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes – they are separate measures that are connected – and don’t need to be linked arbitrarily.

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

I have discussed this with RickH before – apparently he believes that increasing average age has no effect on mortality rates which as far as I can see, means he believes in eternal youth.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

“apparently he believes that increasing average age has no effect on mortality rates”

Are you really that thick, FFS?

BTW – you’ve actually got the whole thing the wrong way round. Mortality rates reflect average longevity – and this will be captured in simple population standardisation – thus the well-known historic curve.

Age weighting is appropriate for specific purposes, but not particularly useful for determining overall population mortality.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

“Age weighting is appropriate for specific purposes”

As a P.S., I should highlight that age standardisation is most appropriate when making specific comparisons of a variable between two populations with different age structures – say inter-country comparisons re. a disease.

This is very different from examining historical mortality trends in a single population where a changing age profile is one of the contributory outcomes.

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

So it is appropriate to allow for age across different geographies but not across different times?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Broadly – yes.

The question to be answered in this context is simply :

“How have mortality rates changed.?”

NOT

“Why have mortality rates changed?”

If we have coped with equal or higher rates of mortality (obviously adjusted as a proportion of population) – job done.

Never underestimate the desirability of simplicity if it answers the question.

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

What is the point in charting how mortality rates have changed without investigating why they have changed? All you will have is a pretty picture with no understanding of its significance.

How come you can ask “why?” of different countries but not ask “why?” of different times?

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

“If we have coped with equal or higher rates of mortality (obviously adjusted as a proportion of population) – job done.”

But suppose the question is: “has the Covid outbreak increased mortality rates higher than it would have been otherwise?”

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I was only repeating what you wrote. However, let us assume it was a misunderstanding and you do agree that as you get older your chances of dying increase? If you apply that to a population, then increasing average age will increase mortality rate (of course other factors may confound this – but the tendency will be there). And of course this must be allowed for if you are trying to decide if a mortality rate is exceptional.

I don’t know what I am supposed to have got the wrong way round. What you exactly do you mean by: “Mortality rates reflect average longevity”? It sounds very much like “increasing average age will increase mortality rate” but I guess you mean something else? And what is the well-known curve is that you are referring to?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

” as you get older your chances of dying increase?”

Of course they do.

So you apply that at a population level, and mortality rates increase with historical time as populations age?

It’s known as a ‘category error’.

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

“mortality rates increase with historical time as populations age?”

Of course they do – unless other factors confound it. Mortality rates in most Western countries have dropped since the war because of other factors – primarily better medical care and public health – but they would have dropped even faster if the population had not aged. That is just what the ASMR tells us. Take one or more age bands and measure the change in mortality rate for that age band. I am really surprised you can’t accept this. I am curious where you got your ideas from?

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I’m heartily sick of these “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” discussions, particularly anything that MTF writes, really pointless. It’s just masturbatory.

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MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Is someone forcing you to read them?

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Yes, I suffer with dissociative identity disorder; one of my alters, a particularly masochistic personality, makes me.

So please desist.

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

The problem is sorting the wheat from your chaf.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

£10 says 2020 + 2021 excess mortality is about average for any 2 consecutive past years.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I agree

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

A good reason to lockdown forever

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Friedrich Stapß
Friedrich Stapß
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

To the markers down… have you READ any of Cecil’s posts? You’re like Baldrick, aren’t you? You know exactly what irony is – it’s like goldy and bronzey except it’s made of iron.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Friedrich Stapß

🤣

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

You are on the right lines, but we do need to make the lockdowns very much tougher. We need an official electronic vaccine pass-out for all purposes including employment and all other outside activities, which other than work will need to be restricted to two hours a week for obtaining essential items only. A 6pm curfew should be introduced and all leisure/holiday/vacation establishments will have to be closed on a permanent basis. We have nearly got this thing beat and never again can we be allowed to take our eye of the ball. So we all stay safe by staying at home forever.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

No, no, no! Far to lenient. Kill everyone who’s financial net worth is less than £10M. That way we won’t be able to spread ‘this terrible virus’

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Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Absolutely fine by me and Cecil B, no doubt.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

FYI…

Corporate Governance Department 
Our Ref:  FOI 060421 
Legal Services Division 
Date:      22 April 2021 
Freedom of Information Team  
Email:    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx  
3 Priestley Wharf 
 
Holt Street 
 
Aston 
 
Birmingham 
 
B7 4BN 
 
Tel: 0121 466 7293 
 
Email: xxx.xxxx@xxx.xxx  
 
 
Dear xxxxx xxxxxx 
 
 
 
Re: Freedom of Information Request 
 
 
 
I  refer  to  your  request  for  information  pursuant  to  the  Freedom  of  Information  Act  2000  (“the 
Act”) dated 3 April 2021.  
 
Birmingham Community Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust (“the Trust”) can advise that 
we do hold the information that you have requested.  The Trust’s response is:  
 
1.  How many people have died in your hospitals from covid 19 and only due to covid 19? I 
have seen the figures you publish online, but these are deaths within 28 days of a positive 
covid test, so they could have died from other causes. I just want to know the exact figures 
from 1st February 2020 to 3rd April 2021 for death due to covid 19 alone. 
 
There have been 79 deaths with covid. 
 
There have been 2 deaths from covid alone. 
 
2.  The Number and Percentage of people with ‘underlying health conditions’ in the overall 
total. 
 
79 and 97.53% 
 
3.  The Number and Percentage of those without ‘underlying health conditions’.  
 
2 and 2.47% respectively. 
It is confirmed that as the information has been provided, this request is now closed.  
For future reference, the Trust’s publication scheme and details of the services that we provide 
can be found on our website: www.bhamcommunity.nhs.uk.  

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/covid_19_deaths_in_birmingham_ho#outgoing-1135667

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Now this is the sort of statistics that is actually useful 👍🏻

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

Yes, briliant!

Last edited 4 years ago by chris c
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Can you ask what the average AGE of those dying without “underlying health conditions” was?

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I’d like to know if they hold figures for number of people who died from the non-vaccine.

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BurlingtonBertie
BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

That’s my Trust. The only hospital is Moseley Hall which is for mostly neuro rehab post brain injury, stroke etc The population tends to be younger so the 2% & 2.47% seem reasonable percentages.
I worked there in the Brain Injury Out-Patients rehab service until last March…. Guess where I caught the wretched thing??

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Friedrich Stapß
Friedrich Stapß
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Fascinating. Thank you.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

This is really jaw-dropping stuff. Admitting that only 2 people in a whole year died because of covid…

If we all make FOI requests to our respective hospitals, we could potentially build a far more accurate tally of deaths because of covid during the past year, and this would demolish the entire narrative.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

This is published weekly in NHS data it’s never been hidden & has been highlighted on LS constantly.
Last time I looked only 588 people under 60 had ever died of Covid.
Interestingly the yellow card system reports 7 20-29 year olds have died if the vaccine. That’s in the same ballpark as people in that cohort who had died solely of covid since the new year.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

And you have to ask how carefully those are investigated and autopsied for unseen problems.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Almost no autopsies have been conducted. That alone is a scandal.
Round the world, post Mortem exams have died a death. If you’ll forgive the expression.
Pathologists have suggested this was coordinated to ensure that it wouldn’t emerge that “covid deaths” in the main look like the normal range of deaths in any other year.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I believe the blue pilled people are so far gone that the perpetrators could give a one hour documentary on BBC1 about how they ran the entire deception & in the morning, folk would go outside with their masks on.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“the best overall measure of mortality isn’t the number of deaths, but rather the age-standardised mortality rate.”

I wish you’d stop making that mickey-mouse assertion. It is just one way of looking at the data – but introduces speculative inference and modelling assumptions (choice of weighting) in circumstances where hard description (simple population adjustment) may be better.

This is really obvious basic stuff – but like so many statistical basics, ignored because farting around with complications looks more sophisticated.

Last edited 4 years ago by RickH
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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Can you explain that please (if you can be bothered!) ?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Occamsrazor

I think I have. There is background stuff on line.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

simple population adjustment isn’t that great either

expected deaths is a function of how many old people we have not how many total people

probably just show deaths with a couple of subsidiary graphs of total and over 60s population

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

You’ve fallen straight down another rabbit hole! – ‘Expected’ deaths. Another assumption.

This underlines my point.

Now consider :

“… deaths is a function of how many old people we have”

What would happen to the historic curve of mortality rates if this was true?

By definition, the mortality is related directly to the total number of people, and the rate is simply that corrected for that total to allow general historical comparison.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

“… deaths is a function of how many old people we have”

What would happen to the historic curve of mortality rates if this was true?

it is true, but its not the only factor

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

of course expected deaths is an assumption. its something that hasn’t happened yet. But its not unique to covid madness to try and workout what you expect so that when it happens you have something to compare against

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Phoenix44
Phoenix44
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You seem to be arguing that assumptions are assumptions? Yes they are. But it’s still true that people are far more likely to die this year at similar ages to those they died at last year.

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wildman10
wildman10
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes, the necessary standardisation of mortality by age and population size into a single representative figure will give slightly different figures depending on what standard population you choose, but the difference between reasonable assumptions is negligible.

Expectations of life are less representative and dilute changes due to smoothing.

The Institute of Actuaries and it’s Covid group has some excellent articles

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Boris has a Emergency,the country doesn’t, when the British people find out they’ve been jabbed and put at massive risk for next to zero benefit, he’ll join Amersham ex MP on the dole

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gedhurst
gedhurst
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

That might be the best he can hope for.

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ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

We deserve that he gets something far more than being on the dole. Nothing less than his head on a spike would appease me.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

“The new estimates warn that nine million additional children globally are at risk of being pushed into child labour by the end of 2022 as a result of the economic and social shocks of the coronavirus pandemic and school closures. This number could rise to 46 million more children in child labour if critical protection is not secured.”



https://www.antislavery.org/end-child-labour/?utm_source=Anti-Slavery%20International&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12456496_New%20Child%20Labour%20Figures&dm_i=125,7EZHS,WLMRPT,U4EHT,1

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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

And still ‘the left’ wails on about the terrible dangers of the deadly virus.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Occamsrazor

‘progressives’ like slavery. cheap nannies, cheap deliveries, cheap shit made my 10 year old bangladeshis

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

The history of Marxism is a history of state slavery.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago

I am from Bristol. An FOI request to the council for burials and cremations over the last five years shows no pandemic apparent!

cremation-burial-figures-bristol.jpg
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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

And for the next authority, Bath and NE Somerset, there was an increase in 2020 – but only due to increased survival from 2019. This is typical of the country as a whole.

cremation-burial-figures-banes.jpg
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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago

Oh but just one life. Just one.
Stay safe.

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mka1221
mka1221
4 years ago
Reply to  Occamsrazor

When anyone says to me ‘stay safe’, I reply with, ‘permanently?’.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago

“As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test.
Of the 73 deaths:

  • 34 (47%) were unvaccinated
  • 10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
  • 26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.

”

and 100% died of old age presumably

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Any link, Steve?

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

10:09 update

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57523149

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Thanks.

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baboon
baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

34 (47%) were unvaccinated

10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine

26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.

and 100% died of old age presumably

More importantly, the “vaccine” is a coin toss.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Not quite. There are more vaccinated people than unvaccinated so if if it was a random 50-50 chance we’d expect more of the vaccinated to die. Also unvaccinated are likely to be younger on average.

However, it is possible the vaccine is losing some of it’s protection. I have hypothesised that the mutations (variants) are being driven by the vaccines. I’m not sure if this is happening.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

It’s a fairly small sample size

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

also some of the deaths may have been people too old and frail to be jabbed

i think kits hard to draw anything from that limited data

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

The empirical evidence is quite clear: convalescing people as well as those vaccinated all recognise all variants tested. It couldn’t be otherwise as the variants are all so similar that it would be less misleading to call them “sameients”.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.27.433180v1

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Phoenix44
Phoenix44
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Much more likely they were in the group that didn’t have Covid as underlying cause but were still recorded as Covid deaths.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

100% died of old age is probably very close to the truth.

If we assume for the purposes of argument that the delta variant was completely harmless, but that an experimental vaccine might give you some protection against testing positive for the delta variant, then it would be the case that 100% died of old age.

All the vaccine then does is to change whether some of the vaccinated die of something else with a positive test for the delta variant or die of something else without a positive test for the delta variant.

I suspect currently we aren’t far off the above scenario of 100% dying of old age.

Unfortunately we have never really differentiated in statistics between people who test positive for the virus and have symptoms that are likely to have caused their deaths (the deaths from covid) from those who incidentally test positive or were at the very end of life and something was going to be the final straw.

The few studies there are suggest that after early April 2020 we swiftly moved to the position where most covid deaths were deaths with ‘covid’ not from covid.

And the corollary to that is that the vaccine has no impact in preventing death. Too many discussions assume that say a 50% effective vaccine will reduce covid labelled deaths by half whereas if most deaths are with not from then it might be very close to zero effective in preventing death. Add in adverse affects and the likely harm/benefit equation becomes very one sided towards the harms.

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

my view is that 95 % of covid deaths are old age. old age is largely dying of things you would shake off when you were younger and fitter (at least the precise timing)

we have 40-50,000 ‘excess’ deaths each winter. thats people dying of colds. and probably 200-300,000 dying of colds every year, but they aren’t really dying of colds and we dont count them as dying of colds, they are dying of old age and the cold maybe a complicating factor amongst many others

we have only had a few thousand deaths of people who if they hadn’t caught covid would have made a full recovery and lived many happy and productive years.

problem is when they emptied the nhs into care homes we got a lot of deaths of old age all at once which just fed into general panic

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Yes, and I rather suspect that was deliberate.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Who confirms the “Delta variant” and how?

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

runny nose, itchy eyes, been recently running through fields of grass

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Is that you, Theresa?

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Yes I almost wiched I had a mask when I went for a walk the other day. Despite the preceding thunderstorms the air was literally thick with pollen, massive quantities of different species of grass in flower. I was picking crud off my eyelashes. And as for the car windscreen . . .

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

About 10% of people don’t generate antibodies after vaccination. These will turn out to be the frail & vulnerable with crap immune systems, the people who die of covid.
The problem with this whole farago is that the vaccines won’t work terribly well for people who need them & won’t make any difference to the people who didn’t need them in the first place.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Except for the injuries and deaths.

Last edited 4 years ago by chris c
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Phoenix44
Phoenix44
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

And we can surmise from ONS data that perhaps 40% did not have Covid as underlying cause of death. That’s around 28 deaths. So maybe the 26 who had had two doses.

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dismalswamp
dismalswamp
4 years ago

So as Covid-19 has made no difference to overall population mortality worldwide, what was the point of any of it?

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

Filling the elites pockets?

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

1. Herding entire populations onto a vaccine passports database.
2. Destroying the economy & civil society.
3. Normalising idiocy like this, so that the next steps are facilitated.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

In addition to comments below it will also allow western governments to move from using interest rates to manage inflation to using tax. Interest rates have the effect of putting rewards for saving into private hands, tax brings the money back into public hands to be thrown at nonsense green issues.
Eliminating interest creates a client state forcing not only the non-working class but pensioners & the middle class to be dependent on the state. You’ll own nothing & be happy.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

You obviously haven’t been following the Great Reset agenda..

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago

Has anyone watched this presentation of the VAERS data by an MIT Engineer? VAERS is the system used in the US to record vaccine adverse events.

https://trialsitenews.com/are-the-covid-19-vaccines-safe-and-effective/

It’s a long video but there is enough in the first 15 minutes or so to pick up the main message.

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Friedrich Stapß
Friedrich Stapß
4 years ago

Hundreds of thousands sadlidying days before they would otherwise have done so. Truly, we are the most laughable generation in the history of humankind.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago

time for a novel double triple quadruple mutant scariant to bring the fear back up to control mode….

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

But but but there are CASES! Do you hear me? CASES! CASES are spreading all over the UK! Everywhere we test we find more CASES! We need to expand the testing to find all those CASES out there! MOAR

It seems it doesn’t matter whether people are dying or getting ill any more. It’s all about finding “cases” using a test which was never intended for this purpose.

I suppose this is all evidence that they are pushing “Zero COVID” as their strategy. Which is of course impossible to achieve. But that is kind of the whole point. The struggle to achieve this target justifies taking measures which control the population for as long as the target is not reached – which will be, of course, for ever. Especially if the presence of “cases” found using a flawed testing method is the measure. There will always be cases as long as there is testing.

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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Indeed! The holy grail of a cure for the deadlicovids is 1. Stop testing and 2. Stop mask-wearing. Kill off the cases and the ‘all humans are a homicidal disease-vector’ narrative. Sorted.

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
4 years ago
Reply to  Occamsrazor

I think Neil Ferguson and his crew got it right with mad cow disease and should apply the same logic now. Shoot everyone who tests positive. I bet there won’t be a single case the day after Boris announces that policy. Furlough will dissappear and everyone will be back to their old normal self.

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Occamsrazor
Occamsrazor
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

Damn. That’s an even better idea than mine!

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

arrest and imprison anyone with symptoms found with either an LF or PCR test. for being superspreaders

make LF or PCR tests completely voluntary

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

Let’s start with SAGE & take it into the Palace of Westminster.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Symonds

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery. I intend to pass this idea off as my own. Sorry, but thanks. Brilliant comment.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

It’s nothing to do with zero covid19.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago

So… can the LS authors agree there’s no pandemic, and there hasn’t been over the last 16 months?

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I certainly hold that view, yes. None of the measures taken had any beneficial effect & the peak was already passed before lockdown #1.
Those arguing this at the time were smeared & called conspiracy theorists.
Generally by those conspiring to destroy us.

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assoc
assoc
4 years ago

Two doctor’s strikes, in Israel in 1983 and Los Angeles in 1976, have been studied in detail by statisticians. Both produced huge drops in mortality (up to 18%) and the falls got larger as the strikes went on.
Needless to say both strikes eventually ended and mortality rates soared back to normal.
There’s a moral to this story – keep away from healthcare system if you possibly can!

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-latest-immune-response-covid-vaccination.html

While the majority of people who had symptomatic disease did have measurable immune responses at six months post infection, a significant minority (17/66; 26%) did not. The vast majority of people who experienced asymptomatic disease (11/12; 92%) did not exhibit a measurable immune response at six months post infection. This implies that people who have previously been infected with COVID-19 should not assume they are automatically protected against reinfection and highlights the importance of everyone getting their COVID vaccination when they are offered it.

BUT IF YOU DIDNT TEST THE EXPERMINTAL PSUEDO VACCINES EITHER…

Leading Lord Bethel to a lie here

Health Minister Lord Bethell said: “This powerful study addresses the mysteries of immunity and the lessons are crystal clear. You need two jabs to protect yourself and the ones you love. I call on anyone invited to get vaccinated to step forward and finish the job so we can all get out of this.”

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steve_w
steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

if you had it so mildly that you had no symptoms then

1) your immune system wouldnt bother creating antibodies for next time
2) it doesn’t matter if you get it again – its harmless to you
3) why would you bother getting a vaccine for something you clear without symptoms?

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charleyfarley
charleyfarley
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

I think there are two possibilities here.

1. Lord Bethel is lying.

2. Lord Bethel couldn’t find his own arse using both hands.

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Ian Reid
Ian Reid
4 years ago
Reply to  charleyfarley

I’m not sure these are mutually exclusive, they could both be true.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Reinfection at the level of clinically important symptoms does not occur, nor would we expect them to.
Anything to the contrary is likely to be propaganda or incompetence.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

He’s lying.

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A Y M
A Y M
4 years ago

Wait till winter comes and they start jabbing every lemming with boosters “vaccines.” They will be dropping like flies.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago

Andrew Lilico, economist and pundit, has joined in the modelling. He sees cases peaking in the week of July 19 th, and hospitalisations at around 7,000 a week later.
Could you remind me of this in late July? I long to see how he gets on in his application for Ferguson’s job.
He also thinks we should buddy up close with Canada, New Zealand and Australia in a Canzuk union. Which once seemed a really great idea.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

He’s as qualified to scribble about epidemics as is Ferguson. Which is to say not at all.

Last edited 4 years ago by Mike Yeadon
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Phoenix44
Phoenix44
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

My bet is infections peak at the end of June with barely any increase in hospitalisations.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

Blimeyy, how many vulnerable people did those “vaccines” kill?

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mojo
mojo
4 years ago

How do we get people to wake up to the scam. GBNews is a new broadcaster with many old broadcasting named, but will they address this issue and hold the government to account. So far we have seen very little of this. All the interviews have gone over ground most people are aware of. I really hope the interviewers will start to put the government on the straight and narrow and really debate the issues we know are heading towards us. All the data is there.

It would be really innovative if they invited Mike Yeadon or Ivor Cummings on to debate Matt Hancock . Or they could invite Dominic Frisby to debate Rishi Sunak.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  mojo

Agreed. I’ve let it be known I’m willing to be interviewed & I’m willing even to limit what I talk about to the “covid lies” and not speculate about the potential for malevolent use of vaccine passports (not that there’s a benign use for them, since they add nothing to safety).
Regret I don’t expect a call.

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vivaldi
vivaldi
4 years ago
Reply to  mojo

GB News under Andrew Neil is not the vehicle to challenge the status quo as he represents it. He had a chance to show some semblance of challenge interviewing Steve Baker on the first programme. Instead he focused on ‘case’ data , taking it at face value. He tried to shut down Baker’s points about the psychological assault on the nation and its collateral damage. Neil, as a forensic interviewer, is a front for cosy establishment cod outrage.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago

It’s almost certain at least to me that the Jan 2021 pulse of deaths was caused by the rushed out mass vaccination campaign.
In the late-autumn/ early winter, a #SecondaryRipple occurred, which saw a self-limiting mini-wave of deaths separated both in geography as well as time (consistent with a naturally spreading epidemic).
Deaths occurred more in regions which had been less hard hit in the spring, such that, for example, London experienced no excess deaths, even as the corrupt BBC would tell us the growing numbers of deaths attributed to covid19, which was entirely a misattribution, deaths from other causes reduced by same amount as the deaths claimed to have been taken by the virus.
At no time was there a national public health emergency. You’ll recall SAGE lying to us about the crisis about the overwhelm Liverpool, which was in part the reason given for the winter lockdown. However, just one hospital became overloaded & only briefly. Liverpool then slid from the apocalyptic headlines & has never again featured.
Obviously, the lies were to persuade the blue-pilled majority of the appropriateness of the measures in force.
By then, there is absolutely no question that all SAGE scientists formally knew that lockdowns played no role whatsoever in epidemic spreading.
They were lying into our faces.

The January 2021 pulse of deaths was casted by massed vaccination. Deaths rose simultaneously everywhere across the country linked in lockstep to the age-based vaccination in care homes (different start dates in England vs Scotland & deaths matching the start dates) before moving out into the community, descending by age, again following campaign dares and not geography.

Such was & remains the extent of discouragement to report deaths after vaccination on the Yellow Card System, I don’t doubt that matter is a gross underestimate of the actuals.

It’s impossible for this to have been, as chained, another natural wave of the same pathogen. That would imply an epidemic of the same pathogen in the same towns & cities which had just topped off their herd immunity not attained in the spring of 2020. We know that infection is followed by immunity. Those populations simply couldn’t support another epidemic just a couple of months later.

I maintain that the public health emergency had peaked & would never return after mid-April 2020 & was self-limiting. It was not mitigated in any way by the ‘measures’ forced upon us in March. Not a single measure did any good. We’ve literally been lied to death, both on an individual level as well as a nation, economy & civil society.

The number of people who can see quite clearly that this is all fraud is growing, but still feels way too late & insufficient to prevent the next phases. I can hardly express my disappointment & anger.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Mike, I’ve been looking at the data pretty closely throughout but haven’t found any data that clearly supports your explanation such as an increase in deaths/ hospitalisations within successive cohort following vaccination.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I was relying on analyses by Joel Smalley conducted in the first month or two of 2021. Though the vaccines are associated with very much higher death rates than any previous vaccines, the absolute number of deaths below those quite close to death is small. Each young death which wouldn’t have happened but for vaccination is tragic, yet they’re mercifully few as a % of the cohort.
In the care homes & initially in the community elderly, the linkage is unmistakable. I am not surprised no linkage is apparent in the younger cohorts.
We do see clear evidence of the toxicity though, for example the large rise in myocarditis in young men.
There is likely to be much pathology yet to manifest itself, as a consequence of administration of products which prompt the body to manufacture spike protein. There’s nothing good about that.
The two recent, shocking findings (concentration particularly in rat ovaries & the demonstration that women immunised with the Pfizer product raise antibodies to syncytin-1) would have any medical community unilaterally shutting down the program involving young people.
The recent opinion on 12 year olds+ is one of the lowest moments in life sciences for me. Perhaps the lowest. I’m ashamed of my industry. I know what’s happening isn’t typical but that staff inside have not stopped it is extraordinarily disappointing.

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helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

I find it disgusting that the MHRA have not changed their explanation of the reported deaths following the so-called covid vaccines in their weekly yellow card reports since February. They are still stating “The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.” Yet over the last 6 weeks we have continued to have approximately 40 new reports of death connected to the vaccine per week, with no sign of this pattern changing. Since all elderly and very vulnerable were injected ages ago, these must be deaths of younger, healthier people. But Of course, the MHRA hide the highly important information regarding age of recipient from us so they can perpetuate the lie that these are people who would have died anyway and has nothing to do with the “vaccine”.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Much of Joel Smalley’s stuff is good but he has a tendency to not reference his data making it hard to validate it.
I appreciate he’s using often incomplete data sets. I’ve yet to see a smoking gun.
This is similar to the issue of nosocomial infection. It was clear last spring that 80% of positive tests were found inside the care/health system but only in the last week has Hugh Osmond finally found a Sage doc from June 20 that confirms this…. & no one is interested except a few obsessives.

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Health Seeker
Health Seeker
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

What are the prospects for demonstrating a causal link between pathology and those products which prompt the body to manufacture spike protein? Those keen to jab anything with a pulse are likely to deny any there is any such evidence for as long as they can.

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vivaldi
vivaldi
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

But…how do you know looking at the data, because it is not known the ages/ co morbidity of those going in to hospital, and, it is all made opaque with the PCR test. The PCR is the keystone to most everything that has happened since March 2020. The ‘authorities’ must bank on time going on and things lost in the ‘mists of time’ for people. It is only by debunking govt data as it is presented that more know about these crimes against humanity.

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NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  vivaldi

I agree, the key data, which they have, is kept hidden.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Do you think the mass rollout of the flu vaccine had any part to play in the increase in “cases”? Anecdotally I’d say yes but have no “evidence” apart from an observation from Italy and a study suggesting flu vaccination increases other infections including coronaviruses, but this was before covid 19.

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Sceptic down south
Sceptic down south
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Mike,

I’m with you on all the lying stuff and more, and was from March 2020, a lot of tell-tale signs were there from very early on.

But you imply that the January 2021 death spike was perhaps mostly due to vaccines?  Someone else put this to me recently.  Perhaps look (for example) at Yorks & Humber – regional death data (overall mortality, not “Covid”, obviously)? Given that initial vaccine uptake was pretty even across the board, why would the Yorks & Humber death stats for the January spike be so much lower than some others, especially London for example?  Hence, in the spirit of “put up a hypothesis and knock it down”, why is that one not knocked down?

I’m quite comfortable – based on all the data, Yellow card / massively under-reported – with vaccines causing “some material death”.  But not the major reason for the January spike, because the regional analysis simply doesn’t support that?  Unless you’ve seen something else in the numbers that I haven’t, or you have better data?

Don’t get me wrong – I’d like it to be an explanation, because the January (excess) death data was otherwise a surprise to me, based on what I was expecting, but right now I’m looking for other (more substantial) reasons as to what happened?

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Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
4 years ago

OMG this means people are still dying. The measures should continue until we’ve stamped out death once and for all. A single death is one too many.

Last edited 4 years ago by Jonathan Smith
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vivaldi
vivaldi
4 years ago

Do replies to other posts take a while to show up?

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Martin Frost
Martin Frost
4 years ago

There are nervous types who have been genuinely traumatised by the propaganda on Covid, and some just like obeying rules but it is becoming clear to me that a majority ( furlough, working from home, no front line services ) are milking it for all its worth. My postal collection office opens only for 2hrs a day “because of Covid” In another borough you can only visit the recycling centre by personal appointment. There are a lot of winners from the pandemic and they have no qualms about screwing everyone else over whilst maintaining the moral high ground.

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wildman10
wildman10
4 years ago

Comparing with previous years’ averages is still misleading. Mortality rates have been falling for decades, so the proper baseline is the expected/extrapolated ASM, which will be lower than previous years. It’s hypocritical to complain of governments’ misleading data presentation whilst doing the same thing, albeit to a lesser extent.

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Phoenix44
Phoenix44
4 years ago
Reply to  wildman10

False. Longevity has stopped increasing and so mortality rates have been climbing for the last few years. There is an upward trend in deaths, not a downward trend.

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wildman10
wildman10
4 years ago
Reply to  Phoenix44

You are wrong. I could write for hours on the patterns of mortality improvements between various cohorts. Improvements may have reduced since the 2008 crisis, but life expectancy still increased until 2020, when it reduced.

The Institute of Actuaries and The Kings Fund have some excellent articles if you want to check.

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wildman10
wildman10
4 years ago
Reply to  Phoenix44

See eg https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england

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marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

It is well documented that when people do not have access to doctors for invasive medical care the death rate plunges.

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