The Great Reopening – or Three Months Before We Can Go to the Pub
Yesterday, as expected, The Prime Minister held a press conference in Downing Street, flanked by Witless and Unbalanced, and unfolded his roadmap. As expected, it looks like it’s a map of pre-industrial Britain, with no motorways or even A roads to speak of. The journey is going to be slow, terribly long and the horse and cart may break down on the way. Isabel Hardman has written an explainer for the Spectator.
Step 1: From March 8th, people will still be instructed to stay at home, but schools and colleges will reopen, along with practical higher education courses. Face coverings should be worn in all indoor environments including schools unless two metre social distancing is possible… From March 29th there will still be no indoor mixing or holidays. People will be advised to minimise travel. The rule of six – or two different households – will return for outdoor mixing.
Step 2: No earlier than April 12th and at least five weeks after Step 1. Still no household mixing indoors. All retail, outdoor attractions such as zoos, libraries and community centres, personal care premises and outdoor hospitality will reopen. Indoor leisure such as gyms will open for individual or household group use. People will be able to stay away from home within the same household, and all children’s activities and indoor parent and child groups of up to 15 parents will reopen. Wakes and wedding receptions will widen up to 15 people.
Step 3: No earlier than May 17th and at least five weeks after Step 2. Indoor entertainment and indoor sports will reopen and a 30 person limit will apply outdoors. Outdoor entertainment such as performances can start along with some large events with capacity limits. The rule of six will now apply to indoor mixing. People will be able to travel overseas.
Step 4: No earlier than June 21st and at least five weeks after Step 3. Legal limits on social contact will lift and larger events allowed. Nightclubs will reopen
Hard not to be disappointed, given that Boris promised last year that it would all be over by Christmas. Does he now intend to under-promise, and over-deliver? One can but hope. At least Zero Covid appears to have been ditched, as Hardman points out.
The roadmap also covers what life with Covid as an endemic disease might look like. Ministers are opening four programmes of work to inform their policy on what ‘living with the virus’ will involve. These cover Covid status certification (the vaccine passport), large events, international travel and social distancing.
Worth reading in full.
Turning to the roadmap itself, it’s a long document, but here with a few ‘highlights’.
65. It is not currently known for how long people who receive a COVID-19 vaccine will be protected. This is because, as is the case with many vaccines, the protection they confer may weaken over time. It is also possible that new variants of the virus may emerge against which current vaccines are less effective. As well as working closely with manufacturers, Government scientists are seeking to better understand the impact of some Variants of Concern on the vaccines currently in deployment.
66. To ensure the country is prepared for these scenarios and while further evidence is gathered, the Government is planning for a revaccination campaign, which is likely to run later this year in autumn or winter. Any revaccination is likely to consist of a single ‘booster’ dose of a COVID-19 vaccine: the ideal booster may be a new vaccine specifically designed against a variant form of the virus. Over the longer term, revaccination is likely to become a regular part of managing COVID-19.
Moving on to the most politically sensitive bit:
Covid Status Certification
131: The Government will review whether COVID-status certification could play a role in reopening our economy, reducing restrictions on social contact and improving safety. This will include assessing to what extent certification would be effective in reducing risk, and the potential uses to enable access to settings or a relaxation of COVID-Secure mitigations. The Government will also consider the ethical, equalities, privacy, legal and operational aspects of this approach and what limits, if any, should be placed on organisations using certification. It will draw on external advice to develop recommendations that take into account any social and economic impacts, and implications for disproportionately impacted groups and individuals’ privacy and security. The Government will set out its conclusions in advance of Step 4 in order to inform the safe reopening of society and the economy.
What about football and travel?
Large Events
133) Over the spring the Government will run a scientific Events Research Programme. This will include a series of pilots using enhanced testing approaches and other measures to run events with larger crowd sizes and reduced social distancing to evaluate the outcomes. The pilots will start in April.
134) The Government will bring the findings from across different sectors and different settings to determine a consistent approach to lifting restrictions on these events. Depending on the outcome of this work, the Government hopes to be able to lift restrictions on these events and sectors as part of Step 4.
International Travel
135) The Government’s objective is to see a safe and sustainable return to international travel, for business and pleasure. When it is safe to do so the UK will again be the destination of choice for international visitors from around the world. In the short-term, the Government will continue to protect the vaccine rollout and mitigate against the risk posed by imported variants.
136) Vaccinations could offer a route to that safe and sustainable return. Once more is known about the evidence of vaccines on transmission and their efficacy against new variants, the Government can look to introduce a system to allow vaccinated individuals to travel more freely internationally.
137) The UK is working with other countries who have started similar programmes, to lead global efforts to adopt a clear international framework with standards that provide consistency for passengers and industry alike. The Government will make this a reality through ongoing work with the World Health Organisation and other multilateral organisations, the UK’s presidency of the G7 this year, and by working with other international partners.
138) However, any such system will take time to implement. It will be heavily dependent on improved scientific understanding about the role vaccination plays in reducing transmission. Introducing such a system also needs to be fair and not unduly disadvantage people who have yet to be offered – or gain access to – a vaccine. That being the case, the Government does not expect this solution to be available quickly, and restrictions like those in place across the world are likely to continue for the near future.
When can we ditch the masks and the stupid one-way systems in shops?
Social Distancing
145) Social distancing is difficult and damaging for businesses and, as a result, it is important to return to as near to normal as quickly as possible. Ahead of Step 4, as more is understood about the impact of vaccines on transmission and a far greater proportion of the population has been vaccinated, the Government will complete a review of social distancing measures and other long-term measures that have been put in place to limit transmission. The results of the review will help inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which rules on 1m+, face masks and other measures may be lifted. The review will also inform guidance on working from home – people should continue to work from home where they can until this review is complete.
And finally, under the section marked long term:
Living with the virus
196) Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population, but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups. The Government will ensure the country can live with the virus in the longer-term without imposing restrictions which bear heavy economic, social and health costs. The outcome of the four programmes of work set out in chapter 3 (large events, COVID-Certification, international travel and social distancing) will inform Government policy on living with the virus.
197) In addition to a comprehensive revaccination programme, set out in chapter 2, the Government will also use the Test, Trace and Isolate system to keep the virus in check. This includes regular asymptomatic testing in sectors with the highest risk of transmission, as well as testing in the workplace to help protect employees from infection and keep businesses open. The UK has already stepped up domestic production of lateral flow tests. As set out in chapter 2, the Government is also investing in bolstering domestic vaccine production capacity across the whole of the UK.
Worth reading in full – although, God knows, I cannot imagine more than about three people will.
Stop Press: The Telegraph reports that proposals for a major easing of lockdown before Easter were dropped after scientists warned the Government that it could lead to an extra 55,000 deaths. Thank you, SAGE.
Stop Press 2: Again in the Telegraph, Ross Clark notes the irony that we may be the first country to vaccinate its population but the last to reopen.
Stop Press 3: Watch Boris unveil his plan in the House of Commons yesterday.
The Ruination of Census 2021: An Unintended Consequence of Boris’s Glacial Reopening
A reader has flagged up an unintended consequence of the lengthy lockdown exit plan.
The Government has taken a blundering stride to repeating some of the planning mistakes of the current pandemic by telling public libraries they can’t reopen until April 12th.
By doing so, it will prevent library staff assisting in person anyone, notably those with poor English, completing their 2021 Census forms, even though they have been receiving training to do precisely that! This year, for the first time, the forms will be available online and the many people who still don’t have internet accesss at home will need to use a library PC to fill theirs in. Virtually all public libraries have PCs.
A high take-up rate for the once-a-decade census, whose accuracy is crucial for local and central government planning and prudent spending, is arguably even more important than the rate for vaccination, since everyone will benefit from the former while only the vulnerable truly need the latter.
It is disproportionately BAME people who will struggle to provide all the very detailed information that is required, and so go underreported, which will distort planning for a future pandemic. The failure to appreciate cramped living conditions, with more people living in homes than they were intended for, has accounted for very many Covid deaths as isolation was just about impossible and transmission hard to avoid. Hence the many instances of infections within the same family.
Putting your postcode in the search box here will produce many libraries as designated Support Centres, yet all are shown as closed. Very many are not even offering a telephone service. Some are offering email help – not much good if you don’t have digital access and an inefficient way to assist you if you do.
The ONS organises the Census on behalf of the Government and has been preparing the event for years. Will they be any more reliable with this than they are with the COVID-19 Infection Surveys they carry out every week, one wonders?
NB The online questionnaire goes live today (February 23rd) and completion is due by March 21st, the day for which all details should be valid.
P.S. It is still possible to request a printed copy, but some people are sure to not realise this. If a census helper knocks on their door (it’s not clear if they are even planning to visit people who haven’t returned their form), how likely are they to answer in the current climate of fear of strangers?
Another Reader Exchanges Emails With Neil Ferguson
Following Professor Neil Ferguson’s email exchange with one of our readers, which we published in yesterday’s Lockdown Sceptics, another reader decided to email him. He again replied. Here is their exchange in full.
Neil,
Someone sent you an article written by Derek Winton and you replied to that person by sending him/her a handbook about conspiracy theories.
So – anyone who disagrees with you must be a conspiracy theorist? Is that it?
But the Derek Winton article made no reference at all to any conspiracy or conspiracy theory.
It is possible you know to take a different view from you without thinking that you are part of some conspiracy.
Your reply referred to above doesn’t come across at all well. You might want to consider proffering an apology for it.
All the best,
XXXX
The Professor replied, with a couple of references that suggest he may have Googled “Lockdown Sceptics” and “no Second Wave” or “Casedemic” before replying.
Dear XXXX,
Reductionist rhetoric such as “anyone who disagrees with you must be a conspiracy theorist?” rather makes my point. It is not just anyone.
Science is about alternative perspectives, debate and being prepared to change ones view. My views are driven by the data and analysis of it – not just that from Imperial, but from researchers globally. Like most other people working on the virus, I learn new things every week, and that sometime involves rejecting previous beliefs.
However, the Winton piece was an ideologically motivated rhetorical rant, not a serious scientific discussion. Criticising 15 year-old C code is never going to be scientifically persuasive, because the science never depended on that (or any other) code. Never mind the bizarre but persistent minority belief that the world locked down because of the results from one modelling study.
That post came from a mindset that has predetermined what the truth is, feels that the “mainstream” world is not listening, and seeks to use polemic rather than actual scientific research to change others’ minds. That ticks quite a few of the conspiratorial thinking boxes. Admittedly not to the same degree as the emails I receive accusing me of being a minion of Bill Gates in wanting to implant microchips in people. But that is not saying much.
That is not to say I don’t think it’s legitimate to disagree about whether the social and economic costs of Covid measures are “worth it”. Or indeed about whether compulsory measures or recommendations should have been adopted. Neither of those issues are fundamentally scientific ones.
What is dangerous “alternate reality” nonsense is using rhetoric and cherry-picking of the science to try to deny the threat posed by the virus. To give a couple of not too historic examples:
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/09/01/latest-news-121/
This last year has been a tragedy for the world, and the consequences will be with us for decades. The response of the scientific community has been a silver lining though. We have learned more about this virus in a shorter time than I could have conceived would be possible. That we have multiple vaccines now available is a remarkable achievement – and one which will benefit the control of many other diseases. And, unlike much of the rest of the response to the pandemic, that research has been a truly global and co-operative effort.
Instead of futilely trying to undermine the work of thousands here and abroad, perhaps try celebrating human ingenuity in the face of adversity. The pandemic has been a random, terrible event. It is no-one’s fault – and while every country has made mistakes, most decision-makers (and the doctors and scientists behind them) have been trying to do the best they can, faced with very difficult decisions.
Best,
Neil
Our reader then replied to him.
Dear Neil,
Thanks for your email in reply to mine. I am grateful to you for taking the time. I know you are busy.
Some lockdown sceptics have made predictions that haven’t come to pass. But is that not also true of Imperial College modelling as Derek Winton has said?
You may say that the reason your team’s BSE projection on which he comments never came to pass is because the Government of the day took the projections of that team seriously and took drastic measures to mitigate the disease’s impact.
But what about your telling the Guardian in 2005 that up to 200 million people could be killed by bird flu? Few precautionary measures were taken to mitigate the impact of Avian Flu and yet the number of deaths is a tiny fraction of that figure.
And in 2009 an Imperial College modelling team of which you were a member significantly over-estimated the likely death toll from Swine Flu.
Again nothing approaching a lockdown was imposed. I accept these things don’t mean your subsequent work should be dismissed, but by the same token I don’t think you can dismiss the central arguments of the lockdown sceptics – that the lockdown policy will ultimately do more harm than it prevents – just because some of their predictions turned out to be inaccurate.
Correct me if I have this wrong but I don’t think that the adverse health/educational/social/political/other effects of lockdown have featured in modelling with which you have been involved. Could be your view is that that’s not your bailiwick – is that how you see it?
(In fairness to you, I do see on looking again at your email to me that – whatever your modelling work says – you accept that there is room for debate on the question of the social and economic harms that Lockdown might cause – though you don’t refer to the harm to health it might/does cause.)
If you have a moment I’d love to know how you respond to the evidence that the most severe policies – such as stay-at-home orders and business closures – are not more effective at reducing overall transmission than the more modest policies put in place in countries like Sweden and South Korea. I’m thinking of the work of John Ioannidis and his colleagues at Stanford in particular.
In addition, there is the evidence that laypersons like me can see with our own eyes.
Such as the fact that Florida which didn’t lockdown again in the autumn/winter has a lower Covid death toll than some states that did and overall the average number of Covid deaths in those US states that haven’t issued stay-at-home orders is lower than in those that did.
Isn’t it at least arguable that had we kept to our Pandemic Preparedness Strategy we wouldn’t have significantly more Covid deaths than we’ve had in England after three lockdowns? And that we’d have far lower levels of collateral damage?
Some of the criticism directed at you is deplorable, vitriolic stuff which I find utterly unacceptable. Reprehensible in fact. I am not with the people who put out that kind of material.
I would like to see reasoned debate instead.
I would like to see you talking to Sunetra Gupta, Carl Heneghan and John Ioannidis for example.
In fact, I would love to see a proper grown up debate between the leading scientists on both sides of this issue on the BBC or Channel 4.
I bet if you proposed it to the Beeb they’d have a good look at putting it on. (I can’t know whether any of the people I refer to above would want to show up – don’t know them.)
Take it easy.
Many thanks.
Cheers,
XXXX
Professor Ferguson, who must, by this stage, have had a fairly good idea where his response was going to end up, replied:
Dear XXXX,
Can I point out that I never “predicted” 200m would be killed by bird flu. The Guardian article you refer to was reporting this Nature paper – https://www.nature.com/articles/nature04017
What we looked at was what might unfold if bird flu (H5N1) gained the ability to spread from person to person. A threat which still exists, but not something we can predict the likelihood of happening (or ever tried). As I explained to journalists at the time.
That paper was a small part of a global research effort to improve preparations for a novel influenza pandemic which was stimulated by the emergence of H5N1. Pandemic planning has been a top priority for the UK Government since that time, with a novel pandemic being top of the UK Government risk register.
In relation to Swine flu, I think you are referring to the Dept. of Health reasonable worst case planning scenario which was agreed by SAGE in 2009. Multiple groups input into that, and it was never a prediction (rather it was closer to the upper bound of a confidence interval) – as the name implies – given the data available in April 2009, it quantified the worst case the UK Government might need to plan for. As more data became available, the uncertainty range narrowed and the upper bound on the confidence interval came down, leading the RWC to be revised down. That is how science works.
I would also note that SAGE has never revised the RWC for Covid agreed last March, largely because the severity we estimated for the virus turned out, unfortunately, to be basically spot on.
Best,
Neil
Stop Press: It is now 20 years since 2001’s Foot and Mouth epidemic and to mark the occasion John Lewis Stempel has written an interesting piece in UnHerd.
The Conspiracy Theory Handbook: a Short Review
Professor Ferguson’s first email to a Lockdown Sceptics reader included this link (pdf) to The Conspiracy Theory Handbook by Stephan Lewandowsky and John Cook. This ruffled a few feathers. After all, who would want to be a conspiracy theorist? Brian Davey, who has read the book, has written an explainer for us.
There’s a lot about the Conspiracy Theory Handbook in today’s LS. A few months ago I wrote a critique of that text – it bugged me that conspiracy theorist had become a phrase that is a “thought stopper” or “thought terminating cliché” to discourage further reflection about a topic. No doubt this is because it used to be the case that conspiracy theorists theorised plots against the elite – e.g. assassination plots. However, from about Kennedy’s assassination onwards “conspiracy theorists” were people who explained events by claiming plots that were organised BY the elite against ordinary people (or against other elite factions).
In this regard, one of the things that really bugged me about Lewandowsky and Cook’s description of what they analyse as a new kind of “thought disorder” is that people who are “conspiracy theorists” have what L and C decide to be an “unreasonable degree of scepticism of official narratives”. However Lewandowsky and Cook do not calibrate that idea. In other words, they do not tell us what a reasonable degree of scepticism of official narratives would be. It is almost as if, in the world of L and C, there is no public relations industry and spin does not exist… Clearly it does. Indeed what Gary Sidley, with justice, complains about – that psychologists now direct the Government’s PR lockdown strategy by deliberately inflating fear and the use of shaming – is not really new. PR has used sophisticated psychological insights ever since Edward Bernays who was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. What is happening then is that many otherwise comfortable people are waking up in horror to find themselves on the receiving end of manipulative techniques that have been used for a very long time…
Needless to say, Lewandowsky and Cook have ignored my criticisms which were published by the Irish think tank Feasta.
In conclusion, the so-called “Great Reset” and building back better is a strategy of the global super elite to concentrate economic power and push through a technological and social agenda in response to climate change, biodiversity collapse and resource depletion plus the damage done to the biosphere that is spilling out in new diseases. A considerable part of the people who previously thought of themselves as part of the elite are finding that they are not part of the club and are suddenly outsiders… while the Neil Fergusons’s, Patrick Vallance and Chris Whittys of this world were in the right places at the right times with the connections to hitch a ride on the imaginary strategy of the super elite fantasists like Bill Gates. This elite strategy is not really a conspiracy because it is open and there is no secrecy about their techno fantasies – but people who oppose this delusionary vision of the future for one reason or another have the “thought stopper” conspiracy-theorist label thrown at them. In my view, the super elite strategy is pure fantasy but that’s another story…
A Family Note
There follows a post by our regular contributor Guy de la Bédoyère with some sad family news.
This in normal times would be private but I think that under the circumstances it’s worth sharing because I doubt if my wife and I are alone and the point has far wider relevance.
On the night of February 21st/22nd my 100 year-old mother-in-law died in her care home. Although she had deteriorated physically she was mentally very alert and had no dementia. We had last seen her a few days earlier on one of the occasional ‘window visits’ we were permitted, and by today’s standards that was good fortune. She did not die of Covid and the doctor has confirmed that.
My mother-in-law’s long life included the deaths of two husbands and the even more tragic deaths of two of her three children, one as an infant in 1958 and about whom she still often talked. Thanks to the last year’s precautions her final 12 months of life meant that she never hugged or held her only surviving child again, she never saw her four great-grandchildren again and indeed never even met two of them thanks to Covid laws, and had only one or two fleeting visits from the three of her five grandsons who were able to travel from within the UK to see her back in the late summer and autumn. The two who live abroad of course were unable to come at any time in the last year.
She was acutely aware of what she had been denied for the sake of keeping her ‘safe’. I know there will be some who will respond by saying that the precautions over the last year have kept other people like her alive. And that is possibly true. However, the fact remains that people of very advanced ages are by definition not far from death, from whatever cause. For any one of them death can come without warning and they do not have time to spare. My mother-in-law was in her own way just as much a victim of Covid and its fall-out as those who died from the disease and I know she is far from alone.
So many elderly people, whatever the cause of death, Covid included, have spent their last months and weeks in brutal isolation in the name of keeping them safe.
That it has come to this, that we as a society and led by the Government and its scientific advisers with the willing acquiescence of organisations and individuals have done so much to commit the ultimate act of betrayal towards people at the end of their lives will surely go down in history as one of the most ignoble and demeaning aspects of this tragic year. There ought to have been a better way than that.
My mother-in-law’s last year of life was a hideous punishment. We can only console ourselves with the knowledge that her sadness, loneliness, and despair are over. We as a family, however, and especially my wife will be scarred forever by the experience. Boris’s lethargic lightening of the lockdown is of little use to us right now.
There will be a long time in which all of us will ruminate on the decisions made, but perhaps we can add my mother-in-law’s dismal last days to the ever longer list of things we should make sure never happen again.
Sunday in the Park With Rosie
The weather was good on Sunday and so Lockdown Sceptics reader Rosie Langridge went for a walk in a nearby park, and saw people out, about and relaxed. The trip led her to put some thoughts together on what lockdown sceptics can do to try and help the country readjust to the old normal. It involves getting out and about, talking to people and making social life as ordinary as possible again. Quite simple really.
Sunday being warm and sunny, we set off for the park. Not sure if that was a reasonable excuse or if we were indulging in a criminal activity.
There were crowds of people looking relaxed. Lulled – almost – into a parallel universe where life is as it should be. I wandered through a wide open door into a spacious café and looked around at the piled up tables and chairs, the barricaded display of artwork for sale, and the paintings on the wall. I just ignored the ‘people’ lined up in their masks. The ethical case for expecting me to overcome my aversion is slim. They choose to do it, not me.
I’d entirely forgotten about the one-way system business, and was unaware that I’d come in at the ‘wrong door’. I made my way backwards up the queue until a big burly man moved to block my way and towered over me saying, “There’s a one-way system for a reason,” and then blamed me for having “forced” him to speak to me. His muzzle was bizarrely emblazoned with “Lest we forget”. I nearly managed to remain polite.
But standing there I realised what we lockdown sceptics need to be doing now – our civic duty is to go into public places and behave in an ordinary manner, to show people that human interaction isn’t dangerous, and to re-accustom people to the sight of a human face. Go out and make our parks and streets crowded.
So, having recovered my aplomb, I fixed a cheery smile to my face and set off on our walk, exchanging nods and smiles with anyone who was ready to do so. And there were a lot of people out. It was lovely to see. I exchanged comments along the lines of, “Such a lovely day”, “So lovely to see the children having fun” (NB important!) – plus a few longer exchanges, taking opportunities where I could to talk about the issue of the day.
As an older woman was giving me advice, the man standing by replied that we are in unprecedented times with the pandemic. I said: “What pandemic? We’ve had flu and cold viruses all this time and there’s nothing different about a coronavirus.” The man walked off without even hearing me out. I’m still trying to think of a better reply to the “Unprecedented Times” meme but at least the woman heard my views.
Worth reading in full.
Postcard From the Philippines
We’ve been sent another Postcard! This one comes to us from Kyle Helke in Manilla, which has endured one of the longest and strictest lockdowns seen anywhere in the world. From the sound of it, they have done everything we have here, only more so and worse. Here is an extract:
Having lived in both New York and Italy during this time, I thought I had seen it all when it came to lockdown absurdity, but the Philippines are on a whole different level. Upon arrival, you are subjected to a PCR test and then sent to a hotel to quarantine (both at your expense). When we arrived, you were able to leave the hotel and go home to do your mandatory two-week quarantine after receiving your negative test result, but now they don’t even let you do that anymore; you have to remain at the hotel for the two-week duration. We were lucky to be able to move into our employer-provided housing during this time period, but getting food and taking care of other tasks was very difficult. I hate to think of how the less fortunate here manage in the same situation.
Regulations are stricter in Manila because it is the most populated region in the country. Face masks and face shields are mandatory when leaving your home, and you are subjected to temperature checks pretty much everywhere. There has been some push for people to use contact tracing apps, but because there are a plethora of them and the contact tracing system is not really standardised, it’s just really a formality. Most of the time when you enter a restaurant you can opt out of scanning the QR code or using the tracing app and just fill out your information on a sheet of paper. The culture here is one of compliance and rule-following, so no one really cares about the contact tracing stuff as long as they are seen to be following the rules. But, like many developing countries, the rules change frequently and without notice, so because of that everyday is a surprise. In November, we were allowed to bring our toddler to the grocery store; in December, that privilege was rescinded without public notice. One day there are one-way schemes on sidewalks with security admonishing violators by waving a compliance sign in their faces, the next week it could be like none of it ever happened.
The most grievous offence in this country, in my opinion, is the war the Philippine government has waged on children. Mask and face shield mandates are applicable for children two years and up. Children under 15 are technically not allowed to even leave the house, but this is such a young society that a blind eye is often turned on this regulation. For the longest time children under 18 were not allowed out, but I think in recent months the government is realising how unfeasible it is to keep working-age children at home, and they have reduced the age restriction to 15. However, children are still barred from restaurants, malls, and similar commercial establishments. Naturally, this also means children are not allowed in school, as it has been the case since March when the lockdown began. All learning is either done online, or, for public schools, through textbooks and workbook exercises that the schools drop off and pick up monthly at each family’s home. Every now and then there are a few articles in the news about getting kids back in schools, but I think this is just to placate the public; most people think this situation will go on until the end of the school year, and even into the next. All of this, of course, because the Government here – with the support of the Philippine Pediatric Society – is convinced that children are asymptomatic ‘superspreaders’ and therefore a grave threat to public health, which they base on numerous ‘scientific studies’. At this point, this country is one of the few in the world where children are not in some type of in-person school. How the Government here can know this and not be consumed by embarrassment and shame is beyond me.
This is an excellent postcard. Worth reading in full.
Round-up
- “There is no logical reason why UK holidays cannot restart immediately” – Self-catering holidays are zero risk, and would lift the gloom, writes Oliver Smith in the Telegraph
- “‘The vaccine is supposed to let us live’: Travel leaders call for an end to draconian restrictions” – The Telegraph has assembled the views of a group of tour operators and hoteliers, all calling for the Government to be bolder
- “Why isn’t Matt Hancock in jail?” – Will Havelock, writing in CAPX, provides more detail on the recent court judgement that found Matt Hancock has acted unlawfully
- “Should spreading anti-vaccine misinformation be criminalised?” – The BMJ debates whether the deliberate spreading of vaccine misinformation should be criminalised. 61% of BMJ readers say ‘yes’
- “Open letters from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance” – The UK Medical Freedom Alliance has published a number of interesting letters, most recently to the PM and senior ministers about mask mandates, and to Piers Morgan about his recent tweeting on the subject of vaccine passports
- “Britain Is Entering a Parallel Universe” – In a column for Bloomberg Opinion, Niall Ferguson says that Philip Pullman’s novels are an intimation of the post-pandemic world.
- “We’ve sacrificed a lot of our freedoms and a lot aren’t coming back” – More plain speaking from Peter Hitchens in his latest discussion with Mike Graham on talkRADIO
- “Dr Mark Changizi on Escape from Lockdown” – In the latest edition of the Escape from Lockdown podcast, Alex talks with theoretical cognitive scientist Dr Mark Changizi about why governments have been so determined to lockdown their citizens
- “Germans are turning down Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine” – Germany’s vaccination programme is in trouble, with people failing to keep their appointments for the Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine, according to the Times
- “Costs are rising exponentially for Europe’s disinformation war on vaccine science” – Europe’s coolness on vaccines makes the restructuring of some eurozone debt inescapable, writes Ambrose-Evans Pritchard in the Telegraph
- “Quebec actress dies while waiting for surgery delayed by COVID-19” – A tragic story reported in the Montreal Gazette
- “‘There’s no other option’: Toronto restaurant owner vows court action over extended lockdown” – CTV News reports the case of Adam Skelly, who is challenging the lockdown rules in the Ontario superior court
- “Dutch restaurant group suing state over Covid closures” – RT reports that the largest restaurant association in the Netherlands is set to embark on legal action to get the Government to drop its Covid restrictions due to their devastating impact on hospitality
- “Medical Censorship and Harms of Lockdowns” – Watch three Canadian doctors speak out about COVID-19 and the harms of lockdown
- “Declining a COVID-19 Vaccine Risks Penalties in Some Countries” – The Wall Street Journal details the price paid for refusing the vaccine in some countries around the world
- “The ‘Vaccine Passport’ Agenda” – The Swiss Doctor takes on vaccine passports
- “The Florida Versus California Showdown” – The two states provide a clear example of the dubious efficacy of COVID-19 lockdowns, writes Amelia Janaskie on the AIER blog
- Listen to publican Adam Brooks pleading for pubs to reopen sooner than May 17th
12th of April #Pubs to be allowed to open but only for drinks outside !#UnlockThePubs now
— Unlocked@EssexPR
>>https://t.co/upQPU0SS0B #Boris #Lockdown4 pic.twitter.com/2CypOcbstT
(@Unlocked_UK_) February 22, 2021
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Sixteen today: “Mixed Signals” by Robbie Williams, “Roadmap to Revolution” by Oceans on Mars, “From Safety to Where” by Joy Division, “Fear Loves This Place” by Julian Cope, “I Won’t Back Down” by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, “Big A, Little A” by Crass, “Mighty and Superior” by Conflict, “What’s Another Year” by Shane MacGowan, “A History of Bad Men” by the Melvins, “We Gotta Get Out Of This Place” by the Animals, “Detention Home” by the Dead Boys, “Ain’t Nothing To Do” by Dead Boys, “Road to Ruin” by the Libertines, “Storm the Reality Asylum” by Rip Rig and Panic, “People Have The Power” by Patti Smith and “Running Scared” by Roy Orbison
Love in the Time of Covid
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you a hitherto under-considered method of reducing the COVID-19 infection rate in the US: Reparations for Slavery. Happily a peer-reviewed study by researchers from the Harvard Medical School has now hit upon this solution as Cockburn notes in Spectator US.
To defeat coronavirus, America didn’t need a vaccine. It just had to pay every black person in the country $250,000.
This remarkable finding comes from the intrepid minds of Harvard Medical School. In their paper, 11 elite health professionals claim that reparations for slavery would have radically reduced US infections and death rates from coronavirus.
To reach its conclusion, the study compares coronavirus infection rates in Louisiana with the country of South Korea, where coronavirus was largely quashed. Now, Cockburn can think of many differences between South Korea and Louisiana – he has never thrown up into a garbage can in Seoul, for starters – but for all their PhDs Harvard’s experts are remarkably simpleminded on the topic. The paper says nothing about South Korea’s conformist culture, its intense xenophobia, its high education levels, or its low obesity rate. No, it’s the equity, stupid: South Korea is more equal than Louisiana. It didn’t have slavery. So a few hundred thousand in reparations and Louisiana would be just like South Korea.
The paper’s scientific pretensions fray towards the end, when its authors collectively turn toward the reader and tell them that, if they want to reopen the country without erecting socialism, they might as well bring back Jim Crow:
“Since reparations have not been enacted, however, ‘reopening’ American society early (after coronavirus-forced shutdowns) had a disproportionate adverse mortality effect on Black people, an effect that was predictable. Therefore, de facto, it resembles a modern Tuskegee experiment, since massive wealth redistribution could have averted these deaths, just as penicillin to treat syphilis would have averted deaths in the nearby state of Alabama.“
That’s some real science right there. Would one-off reparations payments really change American inequality long-term? How can anyone possibly predict the sociopolitical ramifications of the most dramatic wealth transfer in the history of the United States? Isn’t it irresponsible and an abuse of the scientific method to create a ‘model’ where virtually every variable is simply made up?
Stop Press: Merseyside Police has apologised after driving through Wirral with a poster on a van proclaiming that “being offensive is an offence”. from the BBC.
Merseyside Police has apologised for claiming “being offensive is an offence” as part of a campaign to encourage people to report hate crime.
The force came under fire over the weekend after the message appeared on a billboard in Wirral.
It has since clarified that while hate crime is an offence, “being offensive is not in itself an offence”.
A spokesman added the poster was “well intentioned” by the local policing team in Wirral but it was “incorrect”.
The message on the billboard sparked criticism over whether being offensive constituted a crime.
The Telegraph also has a report of the episode in which Toby is quoted:
It’s deeply alarming that Merseyside Police have such a poor grasp of the law. As Lord Justice Sedley said in a landmark case in 1999, “Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative provided it does not tend to provoke violence. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having.”
The Free Speech Union has written to Merseyside Police asking for assurance that they have not interviewed or arrested anyone for this imaginary crime.
Needless to say, Titania McGrath was thrilled to discover that being offensive is now a criminal offence.
Stop Press 2: The Salisbury Review has a good think piece on the Nigerian actress who was was dropped from her role as Celie in the musical version of The Colour Purple after another actor dug up a five year-old Facebook post in which, as a Christian, she had expressed her view that homosexuality is a sin.
Stop Press 3: We do, occasionally, like to post links to arguments being made by people on the other side of the aisle. Responding to Gavin Williamson’s recent proposals for strengthening free speech protections in universities, Arianne Shahvisi argues that the Goverment has conjured up an imaginary problem to distract its supporters from its abject failures of the past 12 months.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.
Stop Press: Boris’s roadmap involves secondary school pupils wearing masks in classroom. A senior teacher at school in London has sent us some thoughts.
It was already clear in the autumn term that the wearing of masks in the corridors and communal spaces had the effect of maintaining the idea that there was a crisis. Seeing hordes of kids with masks over their faces was a genuinely dystopian sight. But at least we didn’t have to put up with that nonsense in the classroom. Now, it seems, we do. Put aside for a moment the peculiarity of insisting on a further restrictive measure as part of your ‘roadmap’ out of lockdown, and at a time when you are trumpeting the success of the vaccines. The real nightmare is the de-humanising effect that masks have. To obscure the bulk of your face in an environment that is meant to encourage social participation is the worst possible measure. If you want to reduce your children to suppressed, voiceless drones, then masking them up is the best way to do it. Ignore for a moment the health hazards of an increasingly damp, germ filled bit of material across your respiratory systems all day long. Ignore, if you can, the environmental knock-back of millions of disused, disposable masks. What the mask really does is symbolise your liability as a human being. Only by somehow becoming less human are you allowed to exist in the Covid-mad world, and masking in classrooms will bring that message home to school pupils better than anything else.
Boris Johnson and his inadequate crew of wilting ministers may have added the mask mandate for classrooms as a further sop to the anti-education teaching unions. For them, it is just another minor measure in the destruction of society that they are so determined to achieve. For children in school, they may start to wonder whether the return was really worth it, as they exchange a screen for a mask and get no nearer to proper human interaction.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. In February, Facebook deleted the GBD’s page because it “goes against our community standards”. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.
Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional, although that case, too, has been refused permission to proceed. There’s still one more thing that can be tried. You can read about that and contribute here.
The GoodLawProject and three MPs – Debbie Abrahams, Caroline Lucas and Layla Moran – brought a Judicial Review against Matt Hancock for failing to publish details of lucrative contracts awarded by his department and it was upheld. The Court ruled Hancock had acted unlawfully.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
Scottish Church leaders from a range of Christian denominations have launched legal action, supported by the Christian Legal Centre against the Scottish Government’s attempt to close churches in Scotland for the first time since the the Stuart kings in the 17th century. The church leaders emphasised it is a disproportionate step, and one which has serious implications for freedom of religion.” Further information available here.
There’s the class action lawsuit being brought by Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team in various countries against “the manufacturers and sellers of the defective product, PCR tests”. Dr Fuellmich explains the lawsuit in this video. Dr Fuellmich has also served cease and desist papers on Professor Christian Drosten, co-author of the Corman-Drosten paper which was the first and WHO-recommended PCR protocol for detection of SARS-CoV-2. That paper, which was pivotal to the roll out of mass PCR testing, was submitted to the journal Eurosurveillance on January 21st and accepted following peer review on January 22nd. The paper has been critically reviewed here by Pieter Borger and colleagues, who also submitted a retraction request, which was rejected in February.
And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.
Samaritans
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Morning all. Keep fighting the good fight!
Good morning. Here is a brilliant article. It brings together (with corroborated references) the different strands of what is behind this plandemic.
https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/02/19/cui-bono-the-covid-19-conspiracy/
“Faced with evidence of the power of these organisations to ‘create our own reality’, our first resort, it seems, is to denounce their existence, like children who hope that, by closing their eyes, the monster at the bottom of their bed will disappear.”.
Excellent, this was recommended to me this morning by Miriam of this parish (“Miriam and Alan”) during a doubtless still illegal (and very pleasant) recreational stroll along the Bugsworth Canal Basin. (Highly recommended, if you like investigating our industrial heritage in an open air setting.)
Saved me the trouble of finding it, thanks. His piece analysing the death numbers was excellent.
We must be ‘narrative sceptics’ not just lockdown. The so-called vaccine is evil and killing people already.
Yes I was wondering if we need to start a new group called ‘vaccine sceptics’
Could start a new forum.
They have created a pandemic by cooking the books and changing the definition of the narrative. They have then produced an experimental solution. We are now expected not just to take their solution, and quite possibly be turned into second class citizens if we refuse it. The media are not speaking up about the vaccine related deaths in care homes instead they are pushing the success of their vaccine at every opportunity. People like Mike Yeadon who have spoken up about the concerns around the vaccine, especially regarding fertility, have been silenced. There is no allowance for scepticism for vaccines in the media narrative. This has ALL been about the vaccine and the subsequent passports. If we are sceptical about lockdowns surely we should inevitably be sceptical about other experimental solutions to this created situation? Scepticism is wisdom in this situation. Anything else is following the pseudo science and giving up. I for one will not give up. My sister was permanently and severely brain damaged following her whooping cough vaccine in the 70s. She had a minor seizure following the first and second dose, but the doctor convinced my mum that the third dose was necessary and would be harmless. Within 24 hours my crawling, babbling 11 month old sister had a grand mal seizure and was left with severe, permanent brain damage. She now lives in care with 3 carers at all times. She is now cared for by people in masks, she doesn’t even see them smile. I am not permitted to visit her, in case she hugs me. It was ten years before anyone admitted her brain damage was directly caused by the vaccine and then compensated us (not that it made up for it) . In ten years it will be too late, if this vaccine causes infertility, or other unknown side effects. Vaccine scepticism about this new experimental jab is not saying it is definitely dangerous, but that we need to know more. We need to understand why it’s necessary, we need to understand why children are being used as guinea pigs, we need to understand why they are pushing it so hard. We need to understand why the passports are even being considered. Scepticism is the only intelligent and thoughtful response to this vaccine.
Horrific. Your story is heart breaking yet more common that people care to contemplate.
Fourteen years ago my great-niece had the MMR at 13 months old. One day she was a happy, bubbly tot staggering across the room falling into her mother’s outstretched arms, the next, that sweet little body was completely collapsed. She couldn’t even raise her head. Three or four years later the hospital had special, rigid leather, full length boots made to help her to stand up, which she eventually did, and learned to walk again.
She has spent all her schooldays in a remedial class and is a sweet, kind young girl lucky enough to be surrounded by loving family. But she will never have a normal life.
Poor little mite. Not to mention the effect on her family – who have been/will continue to be turned into carers for her even after she reaches adult age and should be independent.
If anyone had done that to my family member and I had a face to put it to. That person would be shanked in the street.
I guess people don’t get as angry as I do.
“We need to understand why it’s necessary, we need to understand why children are being used as guinea pigs, we need to understand why they are pushing it so hard. We need to understand why the passports are even being considered. Scepticism is the only intelligent and thoughtful response to this vaccine.”
Right. And this is where the resetting of the financial system and moving most people to Universal Basic Income and a Social Credit System comes in. Certainly, this is a shakedown racket by Big Pharma, but I think of that more as the engine to power what is taking place.
I am sorry to say that I do not think we can dismiss some of the more horrific possibilities that once people are genetically modifed enough they will be owned by various corporations and therefore have zero rights as humans.
People simply need to get real and understand that this is a coup by the technocrats around Big Pharma in league with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the bankers around the Federal Reserve.
The British establishment is taking its orders from corporations by way of global bodies like the Trilateral Commission.
Im not sure where i read this but the rules on moving genetically modified “things” across borders used to be very strict, apparently these rules were relaxed shortly before gene therapy roll out, I am having difficulty verifying this.
someone mentioned this in the last couple of days here and provided the links. What struck me was the change was done so recent I was surprised something to do with the EU would still affect us.
Totally agree with you here.
Yes something very nasty is taking shape and it centres around the Covid vaccines, that aren’t vaccines. The only thing I would add to your telling exposition is that many people will not survive these “vaccines” and of course they are not meant to. Most of us are regarded as being surplus to their requirements.
If it’s indeed the case that most of us are regarded as surplus to requirements – then it would be a logical explanation for the decision made that the jab will be rolled out going down the agegroups. After all – the elderly cost more in health care on average/usually are no longer working/usually are no longer bringing up children. So overall conclusion – if treating people as economic units, rather than as human beings, would be that they cost a lot more/contribute a lot less. I guess it was decided to do it that way – rather than asking people if they are the 3rd/4th/5th etc child in a family (ie came along after the 2 replacement people in that family had been born). Hastens to add that I don’t believe those should be regarded as “surplus to be disposed of” either – even though I would argue as to why were they conceived in the first place (ie when the parents had already had the replacement two people and must know we live in overcrowded country/overcrowded world).
The ten year census will arrive soon, I wonder what will be gleaned from that.
I believe Branch Covidian will be a popular option in the religion question.
Yes, even if you believe the Covid nonsense, it would make no sense to vaccinate the under sixties. Now they are planning criminal trials on children, incredibly sick and likely satanic.
Yet it could be a long death over years.
Also, the sterlization angle I suspect is important.
True
I agree that this is the plan from all I have read and listened to.
Very powerful post. Thanks for sharing.
I really don’t know what to say, other than what a powerful post that was.
It must be very hard when people call you, an anti-vaccer in a mocking or nasty way, as I’m sure some do, having had the experience first hand of a sibling having their life ruined by one, as you have.
I was a young lad through to a teenager in the 70s and I do have a recollection of a lad in another class at school who’s little brother “became ill” after the whooping cough jab.
I’m afraid I don’t know the details, as these things tended not to be spoken about to kids at that time and also the family apparently moved from the area shortly afterwards. But just recently, with all the present problems, hearing stories like yours, it makes me very angry that you are dismissed by many “in authority”.
I’m not a complete antivaxxer, my children have received most of their vaccines, although we have proceeded slowly and with caution. My youngest child had her Men B as a baby and had an Adsense seizure following it. She didn’t receive the follow up vax. We have now being called up for her one year imms. I feel really conflicted, but largely persuaded that for her, with her previous history, we will defer her vaccines. This new vaccine is so different though. It is an experiment and one in which I do not choose to partake. My only concern is coercion or mandatory vaccines. We live on a small holding and we are busy preparing the property for those who need to escape and join us in our life outside the system.
Any person that suffers an adverse reaction after a vaccination has an increased chance of suffering worse adverse reactions or even death with future vaccinations
Always do your research. The NVIC website is highly recommended
Biography, Barbara Loe FisherCo-Founder & President National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC)
Barbara Loe Fisher is co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), a non-profit charity she founded with parents of vaccine injured children in 1982 to prevent vaccine injuries and deaths through public education.
For the past four decades, she has led a national, grassroots movement and public information campaign to institute vaccine safety and informed consent protections in public health policies and laws.
She has researched, analyzed and publicly articulated the science, policy, law, ethics and politics of vaccination to become one of the world’s leading non-medical, consumer advocacy experts on vaccination and human rights.
She has three grown children and a grandson. Her oldest son suffered a convulsion, collapse and brain inflammation within hours of his fourth DPT shot in 1980 when he was two and a half years old. He was left with multiple learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder and was confined to a special education classroom throughout his public school education.
https://www.nvic.org/getdoc/793721ac-5bd7-4d84-944b-d326d11875bc/barbaraloefisher.aspx
https://www.nvic.org
https://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases.aspx
Thanks again Victoria – you seem really on the ball. What’s interesting is that you, who have given us some really useful information, have got 9 upticks while Liberty, with a harrowing story, has got many many more.
These upticks are another reminder that emotion is what makes humans tick. Facts are important, but people are driven by emotion. It is what has made the Covid narrative so persuasive. The media have played on the emotions of the nation. They have manipulated us with guilt and sob stories. My story is real though, and that is what we on here are all seeking. We are seeking truth, but truth accompanied with real emotions will always tell a more compelling tale. Thank you Victoria for your very helpful information. Thank you Bungle for inspiring me to share my story. It’s cathartic to write the painful memories and to give a voice to my sister, whose voice was stolen by a vaccine.
Same as for the covid bollox – emotion trumps facts.
What’s with all the overvaxxing anyway? FOUR DTP shots before the age of 3??? I did not get that many and I was 16 in 1980. I hear it’s getting worse too.
I’m not on a small holding but I am seeking out people to work with outside of their system. https://freedomcells.org/ & https://thegreatbeartrail.com/ (not working at the moment though). Prepping as much as I can and growing fruit and veg as best I can along with some chickens! I hope you meet others you can work and grow with.
Great initiatives, GuyRich – you should contact The Light truthpaper and offer to write an article on what you have planned for this. You can reach them here – news@thelightpaper.co.uk, and this is the link to the website – https://thelightpaper.co.uk/. Word of this needs to be spread.
I’ll have a look at this. Thanks.
The Great Bear Trail – that rings a Canadian bell!
Owen Benjamin (comedian) runs it. It’s basically the same as the freedom cells idea.
Is Freedom Cells on board with the coming Totalitarian Health State or a bunch of half a fag Chomsky loving fuckboys lining up for the jab while touting ‘sustainable living’?
Only United States it seems.
As far as I can tell it’s setup by Derrek Broze of the Conscious Resistance. Agorist/voluntaryism in nature but definitely opposed to the oncoming technocratic state. Promoting permaculture and small community living. It’s worth a shot in my view. Don’t know if there are any views on Chomsky.
No, I’m not a complete antivaxxer either, but I also am concerned that we must be free to choose and not be “forced” into taking something lest our freedoms be stolen from us if we don’t.
I agree that the new vaccines are experimental and it concerns me that the pharmas have been given legal immunity by the government in the UK. That just makes me more suspicious.
I am (just) in my 60s and had a medical problem in my mid 40s which was dealt with, but that, according to doctors, makes me fall into an “at risk” category.
I was always disgustingly healthy before my 40s.
I had not been to the doctors at all since I was 18 and caught “German” measles and went to find out what it was! – I believe there was no MMR vax. when I was a kid so I caught chicken pox, measles, mumps and even scarlet fever, which may be why my immune system now still seems to work quite well.
I have now been in pretty good physical health ever since the problem which was fixed my mid 40s, so I don’t consider myself “at risk”.
Every year I get bombarded with flu vaccine “invitations” – despite telling them I don’t want one (I have never had flu) and my judgement is that I am not at any significant risk from CV19 and may be more at risk from the vaccine!
Good luck with your small holding retreat plans, I suspect there will be plenty who would like to get away from much of the present madness!
Well, I’m a COMPLETE anti-vaxxer now.
Do you think I will trust ANYTHING to do with the medical profession, period?
If by some horror I have to ask for advice from a medical doctor, I will check to see if they signed the Great Barrington Declaration. If not, their advice will be immediately discounted.
Thank you Liberty for posting your tragic story. My two children had individual jabs (paid for privately) rather than the MMR but you cannot now get individual mumps vaccine even privately (if I were a suspicious person I would ruminate on the reasons why – it was still around in daughter’s day). The GP was trying to persuade me to let my son have the MMR and was not happy when I replied that I was old enough to remember cases like your sister’s and all the assurances that a vaccine was safe and then compensation being paid out.
It does not make you anti-vaxx, it just means you want to wait and see how THIS one pans out.
I wish you and your sister well and hope you are able to see and hug her soon.
I had the same problem with single vaccines with mine. I seem to remember that Tony Blair had a holiday in France about the time his son’s mmr was due,, and declined to comment when asked about it citing privacy/ confidentiality.
THIS is exactly what people should be doing. Buying smallholdings and houses in the country with large gardens to grow vegetables. As well as getting to know people in the area who can swap things with you. Have to think about water being taken away from tap and electricity not being available.
We have a borehole and plan on getting solar panels and then some sort of generator and battery. My husband is the brains behind that. I am the creative part of the team! We moved here 18 months ago, just in time!
We have a solar panel on our RV in Canada (sigh) and it’s enough to keep the water pump and lights running and the computer/phone charged – so we can go out into the bondu in comfort!
That reminds me of the saying ”He will always be a slave who cannot live upon a little”.
People won’t be allowed to grow their own vegetables for much longer. That’s also on the ‘verboten’ list.
Share your website – please! Would love to escape as soon as possible – but I daresay there’ll be fierce competition!
I remember the whooping cough vaccine scandal. It was not an isolated incident. Not surprising, you will find little mention of this in the current climate.
A friend’s sister died following the whooping cough vaccine. My Dad was offered £5000 by Tony Blair in the 90s, in relation to my sister’s vaccine damage, during the MMR vaccine crisis. He never told me why. Hush money?
Bliar again.
He’s always there at the bottom of every pile 
He certainly never seems to be far away from a shit-heap that’s for sure. I didn’t know he was guilty of that as well. I knew he’s guilty for the Iraq War and for the Welsh Referendum and for just those two charges I do wish I could time travel back and ensure his parents never met in the first place (ie so he couldnt be conceived).
Unfortunately he’s rising to the top of the slurry again at the moment!
Urrghh!
Pertussis (Whooping Cough) Disease & Vaccine InformationGet the Information You Need to Make an Informed Vaccine Decision
https://www.nvic.org/Vaccines-and-Diseases/Whooping-Cough.aspx
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Dr. Humphries | Pertussis or “Whooping Cough” VaccineDr. Suzanne Humphries testifies at the West Virginia Education Committee the morning of Saturday, March 18, 2017. She discusses history and problems with the pertussis or “whooping cough” vaccines (DPT, DTaP, & TDaP).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gS8BSBYYMk
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Sodium ascorbate treatment of whooping cough.
[formerly titled the vitamin C treatment of whooping cough]
https://drsuzanne.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Vitamin-C-Whooping-Cough-PDF.pdf
My friends daughter had a baby boy and was offered the MMR
vaccine. She refused on the advice of her mother because Tony Blair would not say whether or not little Leo had had it. I’m pleased to say that the baby eventually had chickenpox, measles,mumps and recovered like we all did after the war and is now a strapping young man with his first published book behind him. This vaccine is sounding like genocide.
Liberty – how sad that is. After what you said a couple of days ago about many in your family NOT being sceptical, that must make it even harder for you.
Indeed, I don’t know how they can just buy into this. My mum also died when I was 14, in part because she was underdosed on radiotherapy, due to a mistake by the radiographer. We were yet again compensated, in the scheme of things the money was irrelevant, I just wanted my mum, I say all this because I want to explain that even though my family has been personally involved in two awful, life changing incidents which have been caused by medical professional malpractice, the current fear narrative overshadows that for them. We have lost so much to medical negligence, and now I have lost family to fear.
Indeed – I can sympathise that you are being put through all the current vax nonsense after what has happened to your family personally – and yet still they don’t believe us. Hug en route through the ether to you.
What a burden your family has to carry from other people’s incompetence.
I hope that there’s a road back for all of us in this situation. I am desperate to steer a careful way through all the obstacles – I know I can’t convince them to see things my way, or even a different way – but I think perhaps we can learn to live with the elephant in the room.
So, so shocking Liberty, my heart goes out to you with the hope that you find a way through this. To lose your mother at 14 and then suffer so much afterwards.What a terrible world we live in. Sending love and all good wishes to you,good always overcomes evil.
Tillysmum, love does indeed triumph over evil. After Mum died I came to faith in Jesus Christ, who gave everything to pay the ultimate price for the evil in this world. He has carried me every day since. His love has helped me to forgive and has taught me to love and trust again. I have a blessed life, not despite my past, but because of it. Every pain I have gone through could have broken me, and sometimes almost seemed to, but God used it to grow in me a love and compassion for others who suffer, so that I may be there for them in their hour of need. I am strong, not because of me, but because God has grown me through each trial.
Banjones, thank you for your comment, it made me feel like a person, not just a commenter. It reminded me that people do notice and they do care. It reminded me that we can still create communities which look out for one another.
Yes, Liberty – I agree. This site has been a nerve-saver! Comments such as yours make us see things in perspective – you’ve had such a tough time. Glad to know you’re out in the good fresh country air (as we are, I thank God), and making plans to bring like-minded others to you. We shall look out for your website!
I’m really sorry Banjones, but for the sake of privacy, we’ll be keeping it underground advertising-wise, as we want to live in peace without government interference. We have lots of friends keen to escape and a Christian community ready to worship and work together. We do not plan on being exclusive, all will be welcome, but I am expecting word of mouth to carry the message of our place of freedom, rather than the much watched internet. We had our first Spring bookings yesterday. They will exchange their self contained accommodation for farm work. I really believe that these sort of places will spring up all over the country. I pray you find one near you.
How wonderful. What an inspiraton too. God be with you and health and happiness too.
I sympathise with you and your sister. I have epilepsy which was triggered years ago by the polio vaccine but it is very mild compared to your unfortunate sister; it is the reason why I have refused all other vaccines especially the C19 one.
Instances of vaccine damage are common, but are swept under the carpet and hardly ever make the mainstream news. In my family a first cousin was brain damaged as a toddler following smallpox vaccination and was permanently institutionalised until he died at age twenty. A very young second cousin died three weeks after smallpox vaccination, this in the late 1940’s. Another 1 year old first cousin (once removed) died in the early nineties, just a week after the MMR injection and the death was classed as an idiopathic SIDS, was it hell!
There ahas been a dramatic reduction in SIDS since the pandemic began. ‘Children’s Health Defence’ put it down to the startling reduction in the take up of the newborn vaccine programme. Incidentally I have a friend whose baby died the night of their 8 week imms. Could be a coincidence?
Before we pullup our sleeves for the vaccine we should all know how vaccination came into being. As is well known Dr Edward Jenner discovered vaccination by observing milk maids had perfect skin. This was due to them catching cowpox which made them immune to smallpox. He then got a child and the pus of cowpox which he then inoculated the child with. Later on he came across a patient suffering from smallpox collected the pus which he infected the inoculated child with. The child didn’t develop smallpox and vaccination was born.This is the story we all hear but there’s down side to the story. Later on Dr Edward Jenner decided to vaccinate his son but unfortunately he had a fit and suffered brain damage dying at the age of 21. Today’s vaccine is light years more safer than Jenners pus/vaccine but we should never forget there’s always some sort of danger when you have a vaccine.
So terribly heartbreaking to hear this. My daughter is 56 now and I would not allow her to have all the vaccines recommended at the time.I was sceptical even as a 22 year old. And then there was thalidomide and countless other chemicals peddled by the doctors who had to get their quotas and who years ago were directed by the representatives of the pharmaceutical companies. Everything you take into your body has a reaction and imbalances the immune system, even an antibiotic will take 6 months before it leaves. For God’s sake let us get back to common sense and ditch all this Big Pharma. It’s quite simple, good quality unprocessed food, exercise and sleep. And no interference from
chemicals, from what I understand, the vaccine injury to children in America is shocking.
Feel for you friend.
Yes I was wondering if we need to start a new group called ‘vaccine sceptics’
That may be necessary, the LS team seems a very long way from being remotely sceptical about the dangerous, hardly tested, liability free and highly experimental vaccines, that many, for no good reason, believe are going to spring us out of the government own manufactured Covid mess.
Your quote talks about people who cannot gain access to or have not yet been offered the vaccine. This suggests that once we all have been offered the vaccine then discriminating against those of us who refuse their offer would a different matter. In other words our choice will be between taking the experimental jab and fully partaking in society, or refusing it and becoming a second class citizen denied many of the basic freedoms we once took for granted.
Then we need to begin the development of a parallel society/community. Find businesses that will support the sane un-gene edited people out there.
Interesting..I’m a 2nd year Filmmaking student and I’m currently working on a screenplay about this scenario. The other students think its fiction, I keep saying it will be a documentary by the time I come to film it this time next year (if they allow me into the third year without a vaccine…)
Agreed. Unfortunately this is proving quite difficult, even within my own family where there is a modicum of scepticism people just can’t go further than ‘its all just a big mistake’.
my thoughts exactly
Most of those freedoms are NOT coming back. As for second class citizen, I think long term injuries from this unknown quantity and without redress from either Big Pharma or government would render one thus. Not to mention the totalitarian grid that they are ushering through with passports and so on. Days of flying cheaply are over with.
Vernon Coleman gives a fairly good assessment of the short term effects here. But the long term effects are even more worrying here.
We must now stop repeating ourselves and take action. I have proposed 6th March as Resistance Day. Please join.
If I could join you I would but being 8000 miles away I can only be there is spirit. Good luck with it
My son’s in Fiji. Can you join him?
There is already a push for 8th March as REOPENING day. And 13th March “I do not comply” protest. And 8th March also “Global Group Hug”
We should focus on those dates and keep up with the resistance as we go about our everyday lives.
Let’s do them all. Mine stems from this site, that is why it is special to us, I hope.
A number of days of action have been suggested, If we designate too many then we risk being spread too thinly and numbers suffer. Short days and inclement weather will also keep numbers low. The first attempt at the Great Reopening was probably impacted this way. It has now scheduled for 20th March (Spring Equinox) and gives time for preparations to be made.
However, I am in favour of re-asserting our rights and freedoms starting last year. In common with most sceptics, every day is Resistance Day for me.
Gathering in one mass protest in a well known location just hands victory to the police.
Not if people fight back in defense when that happens well who knows.
You’ve obviously missed my point. This is absolutely not one mass protest. If people reading this go to their local supermarket at 9 am without a mask and tell anyone hampering them that twice is a criminal offence, the only police presence in any of these thousands of shops, should be to arrest the employee who commits a crime by breaking the 1997 Act. I know the police would shuffle out of this but just video the staff and send it to Head Office threatening the store.
I hope you don’t mind but I stalked your cafe on trip advisor yesterday, am I right in thinking that you have an uplifting slogan “bat signal” on the wall in one of the photos to alert your fellow travellers? If so, your cafe looks wonderful and if ever we are unleashed I will be paying a visit.
Cheers!
Ferguson says we’re learning more all the time and that this virus is as bad as he thought it was.
Er… what?
Nothing of any substance has changed since last year. We knew last year that the IFR was lower than they predicted. We knew it only really affected older people with co-morbitities.
The only thing that’s changed is that people now believe we can control a virus.
No, the only thing that we have (re)learned is that you can control people very easily if someone in authority commands you.
Exactly, maybe by the end of the “decade of health” They’ll get to the 510k mortality number – with SARS-cov2, Ferguson, will turn round ‘gotcha!, My model got us there in the end’.
Pickle tickler
They have got to higher numbers by adding two flu seasons together, something which is never done – the figures we should be looking at are October 2020 to now as the current flu season vs Oct 2019 to March 2020 as the last flu season. What happened in April 2020 was nothing to do with deaths from flu or covid19 and everything to do with the massive spike in environmental pollution which happened in tandem with the peak in deaths due to us being in lockdown but with windows open coinciding with very poor air (very similar to what happened during the worst period of pollution in the 1950s).
Inspector Jericho, police drama set in 1950s London. Episode ‘The Hollow Men’ in a great London smog where the man in the white lab coat Govt Advisory Fim in the cinema says
‘Breath Through your nose, far more effective than a mask’.
In that episode about the Great Smog in The Crown, there was a doctor in that scene where Churchill visits the hospital who said pretty much the same thing.
What evidence is there the virus exists?
What proof is there PCR diagnoses the virus?
What objectively determines the cause of death?
As far as I’m aware, coronavirus’s have always existed but their threat have never been deemed great enough to be concerned about. Also pretty sure previous attempts to create a vaccine for coronavirus failed every time because it’s not something that can normally be vaccinated against. I’m not an armchair expert by any stretch so could be completely wrong with the above comments, but very sure I’ve read about this somewhere with authority.
There is no hard evidence that the Sars-cov-2 coronavirus exists, as it has never been isolated. There is no proof that PCR can confirm the existence of any virus, including Sars-cov-2, nor can any of the other tests that they now pretend are able to do this job. Cause of death is now based on supposition or on outright lies, as objectivity could get a doctor sacked.
Not sure “We knew last year that the IFR was lower than they predicted.” is right. I think the Imperial model used an IFR of 0.9%. Most estimates of IFR in high income countries (UK, for example) are now around the 1.0% mark. The global average is usually estimated around 0.23%
The 1% is an over estimate that takes no account of the asymptomatic, or the very mild symptomatic that don’t know they have had it. Its just a number used to justify political actions. The 0.23% figure has at least some basis as it uses a very large population statistic, although I suspect its about 100% overstated.
Political whores are two a penny when you are as wealthy as Gates.
He seems to have an awful lot of time on his hands, writing petty responses to emails while he’s supposedly very busy heroically fighting a war to save the NHS from having to deal with sick people.
Somebody published the PANDA data last week.There is nowhere on the planet where the IFR is above 0.15.
I’ve forgotten. What’s a pub?
There’s one near me that is like this:
Empty, boarded up building with strange name over the door.
It’s a place where, as described by a government spokesperson at least three times on the Today Programme,
“people drink so much they are falling all over each other totally ignoring Social Distancing.”
Our pubs were deliberately targeted because that is where the working classes congregate
The main reason Cannabis isn’t legal in the UK is because it’s just a thing we British do not do culturally. This comes from the top and pretty much drives cannabis prohibition.
Who decides it’s just not a thing the British do culturally? The people on top or those further down? I suspect plenty of Brits use it, legal or not, and I would be surprised if someone like Johnson has never used it.
And he’s got plenty of people to ”shield” him. Those whose so-called careers depend on him being flexible enough to dance at the end of their strings.
What a deliberately ignorant bunch of arrogant tossers saying this.
It’s an old building which is either going to be demolished or converted to flats.
A very sad-looking building.
If the government concedes that this virus is of mild effect on the vast majority of people, as it does, and if the vaccination programme is such an astounding success, as it is logistically (leaving aside questions of safety et al) then why no feature, so far as I can see, in any of it’s pronouncements of how many in the general population have had it and surely should be presumed to have natural immunity.
If I am mistaaken then please correct me.
I would have thought this virus, running for over a year now, even allowing for it not to be as transmissable as many fear, should have infected millions. I seem to recall a major university (Imperial or UC?) positing that it could be 12 million and that was a few months ago.
If that figure were to be added to the number vaccinated ( a type of gold standard,I suppose,for the government) and the vaccinated focused on the most at risk groups then are we not at or close to herd immunity and,if so, why are the government still dithering?
Should they not be thinking, “Job done”?
Am I wrong in thinking maybe natural immunity must be held by numbers in this country running into well over 10 million?
Well, off to work now.
Stay sane,everyone.
Switch your thinking to the goal being full vaccination, regardless of immunity. Then what? Why would they be doing that?
And remember, they want to vaccinate the entire globe, with money they printed from nothing, on you as the collateral. Why?
Well we know why don’t we….? World population is too large apparently. Has to be reduced apparently. We westerners are consuming too many resources apparently. We need our wealth and consumption reduced apparently.
It’s OUR wealth they want to reduce not theirs!
I’m ware of that. That’s why I say ”we need our wealth reducing apparently”. ‘They’ have no intention of reducing theirs. They want to increase their wealth. At our expense.
Because they can. There was some idea at the start of an actual health threat but once they opened the pandempanic box and let out the remaining unspent capital, well then we had to go with a ‘Plan B’
Another day, another dollar?
Another elephant I spotted in the Snake Oil Room.
The snake oil doesn’t prevent transmission or infection.
But it is supposed to reduce Covvideaths.
BUT THE COVID CORPSE COUNT IS A LIE.
If most of the alleged Covvicorpses didn’t sadlidie of Covid, how can the snake oil reduce the corpse count?
The random quoting of ‘scary’ death figures with no attempt at comparison or context has been a feature of this hoo-haa. There is currently hand wringing over half a million deaths in the USA but little attempt to put this into context with the size of the population, how this equates to the age adjusted ‘normal’ death rate and over what time period? Similarly the very inappropriately named ‘SAGE’ group predict 91,000 deaths if we ease UK lock-down too early, again no idea if this is in addition to or part of normal deaths, no time period, no comparison with population size.
As it is, with better weather heading our way, respiratory virus deaths will probably decline and all of this will be attributed to their magic potions.
There isn’t a lockdown right now. 2/3rds of my daughter’s class are back at school. A friend has 50% attendance at her inner London school. You can’t cross the road from my house to the post office because of the traffic. Toyota chucking out time is as bonkers as always, everyone is back at Royces in Derby. The parks and beaches are rammed. The idea lockdown is suppressing anything other than business is ludicrous. Look at the fuel price, FFS.
I believe the number of people whos death certificate states died of covid as opposed to with, is give or take a few around 4000
Why is it a lie that 5000 people per week, 700 per day, more people are dying than have done in the past five years? A bad influenza year generates about 20k excess deaths. That’s four weeks. We’ve seen multiples of that this winter. Note I did not say what they died of, but the respiratory count this winter is far in excess of past winters.
Nice of Boris to allow us back into pubs in 3 months. Nice to allow the kids back to school, albeit wearing ridiculous facemasks.
After all, he must have plenty of evidence that these lockdowns have been a great success, aided employment, kept people healthy and improved mental health,
I’ve got to admit I’m having trouble finding it.
After all, we had excess deaths of 54,600 (per Institute and Faculty of Actuaries) last year from 14th March to 1st Jan (44,000 if you include the whole year). That includes all those who died because of the lockdown as well. By way of comparison, there were 51,000 excess deaths in the winter (December to March) of 2017/18 (source: ONS)
That international pariah Sweden has lost 408 people under 60 to the virus in the whole period up to February 17th 2021. If you look at graphs of deaths, it’s virtually indistinguishable from the UK.
Florida and California showed very similar death patterns, despite ridiculous lockdowns in California and none in Florida.
Come on Boris, open the country now. Stop this nonsense. Read the numbers and see the garbage being fed to you for what it is!
He can’t. Not enough people have taken up the jab yet…People aren’t desperate enough yet, either because of fear or eagerness to be allowed out to play.
Ye they need to get the jab into arms and there may be more vaccine “hesitancy” among younger people. It is an exceptionally high take up amongst over 70s if true.
There is NOTHING ‘ridiculous’ about facemasks. They are DANGEROUS.
Why do you people stop on saying this? Have you even read about the coup by Big Pharma and the plan to reset the financial system by way of a social credit system?
Do you REALLY think that ‘Boris’ doesn’t realise what is going on.
WAKE UP!
READ!
I totally agree with this.
I think that facemasks make the risk of infection greater. If I was a “conspiracy theorist™️” I would think they were mandated to make sure the cases and illness were increased to prolong lockdown.
That’s what I think, the face naps are mandatory for a lot of reasons and probably most importantly they are known to DRIVE respiratory infections making them worse, making us suffer from a wider range of respiratory ailments and boosting community transmission.
The occultic evil of them is evident and so is the psychological effect and how utterly corrosive they are to human interaction.
The imposition of face masks is deliberate evil. Nothing more.
“The imposition of face masks is deliberate evil.“
Considering all the other pernicious actions of western “governments'” e.g. denial of HCQ, sick patients sent to care homes without medical support, DNRs, false counting of Covid deaths, denial of on-line free speech, de-platforming of highly qualified scientists, reprehensible attacks on the GBD signatories and so on, I can find nothing that they have done that has been any benefit to the people.
Repeal the Coronavirus Act. Recall all MPs.
Repeal the Coronavirus Act. Recall all MPs
Otherwise, defund the useless spongers!
It IS. Same with the social distancing harming kids immunities and our own. It’s biological terrorism.
This is the absolute truth about the matter. Bill Gates is controlling Big Pharma and us. I am so tired of those people who do no critical or contructive thinking, it is staring us in the face. Why are the nurses and doctors going along with it? Nothing we are told by MSM makes sense,We are like hamsters in cages, continually circling round with no real answers. Yes, WAKE UP NOW before they decide that vaccines will be delivered yearly whether we like it or not. Or is it too late now?
From the ATL postcard from the Philippines.
At this point, this country is one of the few in the world where children are not in some type of in-person school. How the Government here can know this and not be consumed by embarrassment and shame is beyond me.
Hey, Gulag UK, you’re in really good company.
I think North Korea is probably a better place to live than the UK right now. They can probably go to the pub once a week and sing patriotic songs at least.
Yes. A glass of Korean sake, while belting out “Marshal Kim Il-sung Is Our Supreme Commander”.
Social Distancing: In lockdown 1 cars stayed parked in the place for months on end as people really did stay home.
But prior to bozos roadmap plenty of people are visiting friends and family in their homes or outdoors.
Vaccination queues outside surgeries hugger mugger because it’s more important to stay out of the rain.
Covid Safe Traffic Layouts: some being challenged in Court, a local one was abandoned because it inconvenienced members of the Labour Social Club.
Pedestrian One Way schemes: nobody ever took the slightest notice of those.
Work From Home if you can: more and more people designating themselves as Key Workers and finding reasons why they need to be in the office.
Schools closed except for vulnerable children and those of key workers: some schools have 50% attendance as parents fight to have themselves identified as Key Workers.
Hand Sanitizer: widely ignored by one and all, even in hospitals.
Yet masks seem to command almost universal compliance (present company excepted). Why do people ignore or evade other measures yet obey the face nappy rule when it us so easy to be exempt ?
ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY, COMPLETELY AGREE.
I asked a similar question yesterday.
Because it’s a visible totem of the new religion?
Sorry Ed, missed that but it bares (?) repeating.
Don’t worry, I missed it too, in that I posted it in reply to a comment in the middle of the day and forgot to look back for any answers.
Because psychologically, for the human herd, it isn’t easy. It marks you out as Different and Therefore Wrong.
It doesn’t worry me because I’m used to being Different and Therefore Wrong. It was ground into me in school until I stopped caring. I bet a lot of us sceptics had similar early experiences.
But for most people, even without the very real fear of a fine, it’s agony to be Different andTherefore Wrong. They’d rather suffocate.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head
That is an interesting hypothesis “I’m used to being Different and Therefore Wrong. It was ground into me in school until I stopped caring. I bet a lot of us sceptics had similar early experiences.”
Me too. Not long ago my mother said my stand on masks, lockdown, et al was me being difficult as I ‘was always like that’ and if they’d said ‘you can’t were a mask’ I’d be wearing one out of obstinance. Sad how little they know me after 55 years. The rest of my family think I wear a tinfoil hat. And I sit in frustrated bemusement as to how not one of them have ever done any research or fact-checked.
Far too many people would prefer to suffer in silence and avoid all confrontation I am not one of them. I have been called a troublemaker for speaking out but I would prefer to be called one than perceived as being a walkover. I hate injustice more than anything else.
Your mother sounds just like mine! I saw her in person for the first time since October and she thinks I’m “not handling the whole situation very well.” FFS, anyone who is handling it “well” is not human! I just turned 56 so we’re of the same sceptical vintage and yes, I was always a kid who didn’t like to be told what to do and always broke rules that made no sense to me. I read this somewhere but it bears repeating: The ones telling us to wear tin foil hats for looking into conspiracies are now the ones wearing masks. So ironic.”
Good point. The Japanese have a saying: “the nail that sticks out gets hammered” and people are afraid of standing out. In the case of the muzzles they would rather develop breathing problems or skin issues rather than stand out.
My school reports constantly labelled me as a “malcontent” and a former line manager used it too to describe me. I stopped caring then and I don’t care now.
During conversations about this bollox I’ve been called a ‘rebel’ and an ‘old hippy’. I’m happy to admit to being both, and more.
Interesting to hear you say that, about “being Different and Therefore Wrong”. I’d concluded that about myself with WuFlu – in social terms, I’m used to being off to the side or the bottom of the heap, and so being the only person present not wearing a face mask isn’t enough to make me feel like I should go against my own interests and join the crowd.
I’ve just returned from another trip to Melbourne, Victoria. I wore a face mask on the plane, in the public areas of the hospital I was visiting, at a club a family member took us to for dinner, and in one shop. And that was all. I didn’t wear a mask in the airport, in taxis, in the hotel, in restaurants or in any other shop. I’m very much a rarity in that, but the thing is, hardly anyone says a word about it. If they do, all you have to say is “I have an exemption”, and that’s been the end of the conversation every time.
The fact that I can prove a genuine medical reason for not wearing masks is beside the point. I’m a timid kind of person who hates confrontation, so if I can be brave, why can’t others?
I, too, have been Different and Therefore Wrong since I was a child. Never know it was going to be my actual survival strategy as an adult!
You do realise that this information is being used by the people controlling all of this to ensure that they will spot this early enough with children now masked in schools to stamp it out and to ensure that no one who behaves like we did will ever be allowed to pursue such blatant disregard for the herd mentality in the dystopian future they are setting up.
Or… children of the brainwashed will sadly not survive, and children of the sane will evolve stronger – in body, mind and soul. Could be actual Darwinism at play…???
I too have always been Different-Therefore-Wrong, never quite fitting into any particular “clan”. I was probably in my 50s before I really stopped caring, and adopted the attitude “I’m Different Therefore Right” (Though with becoming modesty I freely admit that being always right is one of my less endearing characteristics
)
Being different never got me anywhere in the corporate world, but eventually there came acknowledgment that my differences added a value because my opinions (even unsought) were not subject to the groupthink of the clans/factions.
I just have to be true to myself. If that means I question the narrative, refuse to wear a mask and remain uncowed, then I can always hold my head up, wherever this all ends.
“Being different never got me anywhere in the corporate world, but eventually there came acknowledgment that my differences added a value because my opinions (even unsought) were not subject to the groupthink of the clans/factions.”
Sounds just like me!
Yes, I think I’ve been different, but probably only since my mid twenties. I’ve always been very analytical and done things based on logic, but it never occurred to me many intelligent people didn’t do the same.
I used to assume those more experienced than me, must be right, even though they couldn’t explain their logic on an issue. But time and time again it transpired later that the reason that they had no clear logic was that they were wrong or if they were right they were right by chance not for the reasons they had given.
So I kept a careful mental note of all these occasions and learned from those occasions when I was right all along, and the occasions when I was wrong.
I remember at work calling out a mis-selling scandal that was costing the company I worked for hundreds of millions of pounds. Unbelievably, while they had been found out and were being forced to pay for the mis-selling, they were carrying on mis-selling at the same rate as the past. Having noticed this, I took the matter up with a senior person at the company. The only action taken was that the executive team took legal advice to see if they might be held personally liable for the mis-selling, as that was their only concern. I was made redundant a few months later. A fairly senior manager that I worked for, but who wasn’t in on what had happened complained about my redundancy, and the redundancy was made voluntary, but I took the opportunity to exit. Later a story got out into the press covering part of the mis-selling that had gone on. I understood from my friends at work, that they thought I was responsible for the leak, I wasn’t, but it was nice to know they were thinking of me.
In truth I got through my employed work career, staying true to myself, but without having to cause too many difficulties for myself, and eventually went self-employed which gave me much greater autonomy in my actions. So I have huge respect for the real whistleblowers, with much greater courage than me, who have had to take real risks.
However my understanding of the corporate governing world has improved. To make your way to a senior position in a company, you need to be willing to play all sorts of nasty games, and act in what I would consider to be an immoral way. Although I didn’t work in the pharmaceutical industry, I know the sort of things that probably go on there. It’s not a meritocracy, which explains the likes of Vallance, Van Tam and Whitty.
So I’d put my being different down to being analytical and being able to see through the corporate world and the corporate lies.
I too have a great respect for whistleblowers they are very brave people. They risk their careers to highlight injustices within companies or government departments. Let’s face it if those companies or government departments are on the level and not up to dirty tricks there wouldn’t be any need for whistle-blowers.
I liked your piece as I can relate to it in my own experience.
“To make your way to a senior position in a company, you need to be willing to play all sorts of nasty games, and act in what I would consider to be an immoral way.”
Too true, and obviously the same goes for politics – yet we vote them in!
Since they started ramming PC politics down my privileged white male throat i’ve been different and therefore wrong. Society placed me in the social pariah status and forced me to challenge everything I thought I believed in.
As a result I sit on the right of the spectrum and therefore I am used to not following the herd nowadays. It’s usually my go to position as they are often entirely wrong and misdirected by the media.
I’ve always enjoyed being different. Someone once told me I wasn’t like other people as an insult. I took it as a compliment.
Good point.
This is a very 21st century, selfish version of a “pandemic”.
“I believe the world is ending, yet I also want to carry on as normal whilst criticising others. I know. Stick a mask on my face.”
Ridiculous.
I I felt the way they do about the danger of this virus I would be locked at home with the windows sealed shut, a stack of canned goods and an array of weapons by the door.
Very true! There are an awful lot of hypocrites around. I bet most of my immediate neighbours would say they agree with Lockdown – but absolutely none of them are abiding by the rules (judging by the number of visitors they are having). Ironic really given that I am, almost certainly, the only one around here that is anti-Lockdown and yet not having loads of visitors (because I’m not a “local”). Still – quite a few people I know have now seen me in the supermarket and various other shops and so do know I’m not in Lockdown (as a mask was conspicuous by its absence).
I think few people are really following the rules in total, other than businesses who risk consequences.
For other people, there are just not enough cops and informers to go around, and while BS can be maintained for a few weeks it starts to become unenforceable after a few months. Rebellion would be good but an erosion of compliance is more likely and in my view has already been happening and is likely to gather pace.
Johnson has rejected “Zero-Covid”, which already has some on the Labour benches etc. moaning.
Most people do not understand even the basics about infection control, they have been conned into thinking that facemasks actually achieve something. At Tesco, where I work, 98% of staff wear them. They wear ill fitting cloth rags, mostly unwashed for weeks at a time, constantly fiddled with and removed while in the canteen. Even the Trolley staff are required to wear them.
Everytime I point out the absurdity of those pathetic pieces of cloth, I get blank looks. The fact of the matter is they will wear them until they are told they don’t have to anymore.
Some people genuinely don’t know about the exemption. They believe you have to have a medical condition to be exempt. Don’t forget, pretty much every shop has large posters telling you masks MUST be worn. To date, I’ve only seen one sign with *unless medically exempt in tiny lettering at the bottom.
Two of my friends wear their masks because they ‘feel safer’ doing it. I’ve tried explaining that, not only do they not protect you but can be bad for you but they still carry on wearing them.
Many places show quite clearly ‘unless you are exempt’ on their signs saying that a mask must be worn. Sainsbury’s is an example where I am in Chesterfield.
This lack of info on exemptions info is very annoying, even dentists insist on this face covering must be worn crap.
I think some people don’t know about them and even if they have conditions that render them exempt they would rather have more say ashtma attacks because they don’t want the confrontation.
One of my colleagues admitted that its for psychological reasons that she wears it and this despite the fact that I’ve pointed out that mask wearing was harmful both from a physical and psychological standpoint.
They haven’t a clue what they are doing is what. They get their signals from those around them and some small snippets of news.
As soon as a critical mass of thinking individuals ditch the masks, only the truly psychologically damaged will remain masked
Not as easy to get away with as the others.
Camouflage. Same reason that if you were a spy in occupied France during WW2 you walked about wearing a beret and a carrying string of onions, not wearing a bowler hat carrying a rolled umbrella.
Verisimilitude perhaps ?
A cry for freedom from Edinburgh. Scottish Liberty Party have been good throughout.
https://soundcloud.com/scottishliberty/tams-speech-in-front-of-the-scottish-parliament
Doctor doctor I think I feel fine.
Well, sit down in that wheelchair, just in case you fall over and break your legs. The strain on the hospitals with you there would be awful.
But….
Don’t be selfish. It’s just for 3 weeks.
Doctor doctor. It’s been a year now, and I’m still in the wheelchair. I really do feel fine so I was wondering if maybe….
Look, I told you before. Think of others. (Long sigh). Fine. Come back tomorrow and i’ll think about it.
Next day.
Ok. Over the course of the next 4 months, we will cautiously get you moving. We will start in two weeks time, where I’ll let you move your big toe up and down.
Then in 5 week gaps we will move on to different toes, flexing your ankle….
Walking?
God no. Don’t rush me. Then, at the end of that 4 months you might be allowed to walk again, with a Zimmer frame of course.
A Zimmer frame? But… How long for?
Possibly forever. Impossible to say, but we cannot and will not risk you falling over or we’ll be right back to square one won’t we?
I suppose so. Sorry.
Now. Off you go. I’m very busy.
Thanks Doctor, bye.
Oh. One more thing.
Yes.
If the hospital gets busy over the next 4 months, then of course you understand we will have to scrap all this?
Oh. Yes doctor.
Off you go. Don’t scratch my doorframe with your wheelchair on the way out. Honestly, you should be good at it by now. Everybody else is managing without complaint.
Very good.
Thanks Danny, needed a smile this morning!
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Depressing day yesterday – I think I preferred life without the “roadmap”. (And I see even Annie has been driven to capital letters – things must be bad
That made me laugh; thankyou
Brilliant, most creative Danny boy!
Man after me own ….
The Bozzer announces that we must learn to live with Covid.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!
You’ve missed the point – learning to live with covid lockdowns, covid yearly vaxx and covid passports.
Warm, sunny day yesterday.
Strolling on the sand where a river meets the sea. Sparkles and gurgles as the river and sea water pleat themselves into endlessly varying patterns. Beach strewn with drifts of white cockleshells. Patterns of red and grey rocks. A quickening of green things growing, and the first primroses. People strolling, children laughing, dogs playing together. Smiles, greetings, the little joking remarks that people make to strangers to show their goodwill.
All strictly forbidden in Gulag Wales.
But we were all there anyway.
I was chatting to a friend in Pembroke Dock yesterday, as I was planning on a visit later this week. Sadly it isn’t going to happen as she cautioned me that the cops west of Carmarthen are bored shitless, so are routinely pulling all and sundry over.
Any suggestions for a destination within range of Newport Annie. I desperately want to get the camera out.
Do you mean Newport, Mon., or Newport, Pembs?
I was west of Carmarthen the whole afternoon yesterday, never a sniff of a rozzer.
Not seen one in Pembs for ages, either. And I get about.
I’m Newport, former Mon Annie. Good to know though thanks.
I might find a house that needs viewing near the seaside somewhere.
Annie I love reading all your comments. We were often down to Pembs to visit my parents who are all locked up and constantly glued to the BBC and mass media. It is so good to hear there a voice of sanity coming from down there.
Have a piece of paper in your car that says “sorry I cannot speak. I have a valid reason for travel to do with mental health. Sorry,I cannot tell you any more.”
After hearing our ‘Dear Leader’ yesterday I did feel he ought to get out more, he announced that very soon people would be allowed to do what they are already doing anyway and more besides. Locally, it seems to me, that the fear factor is slipping away and as the weather picks up the lock-down road map could be overwhelmed by a tsunami of freedom seeking traffic.
My general impression of London.
Good for you! They can’t take any of that away and I hate them for trying to do so.
Still no one has asked Ferguslime about pre existing immunity, cross immunity and why “infections” have been falling before every single lockdown. I notice he had nothing to say about his ridiculous BSE/ vCJD predictions which precipitated the ruination and suicide of hundreds of British farmers. An apology would be nice. Anyway, I still think the lady doth protest too much.
Why is anyone asking Ferguson anything with his track record? Why does he still exist?
He’s totally discredited
Yeah, both readers were nowhere near the mark, which is probably why he replied.
I also note how his swine flu predictions could still become true.
He’s mad in the head.
It’s like the alleged prophecies of Nostradamus – predict disaster, don’t be too specific about the details, and eventually something bad will happen and they can say “Look, my prediction came true”.
‘I would also note that SAGE has never revised the RWC for Covid agreed last March, largely because the severity we estimated for the virus turned out, unfortunately, to be basically spot on.’
Well, Prof Ferguson, if you got it spot on, take a look at the attached and then tell us exactly how that corresponds with ‘severe’ at all?
Oh, and if your glib response is that your dotty predictions would have come about without government intervention; lockdowns, that would be complete nonsense:
‘California and Florida provide a clear example for the dubious efficacy of Covid-19 restrictions. Their disparities elucidate the enduring costs of lockdowns with regard to the economy and livelihoods of residents. The states also pave the way for us to better understand whether authoritarian measures truly work in controlling a virus and, on a greater scale, the trajectory of human behavior.’
‘More and more people flee California to places like Tennessee, Texas, and Florida as they continue to be restricted in their freedom to work and go to school.’
https://www.aier.org/article/the-florida-versus-california-showdown/
Perhaps he is Humpty Dumpty, ‘A word means what I take it to mean; no more, no less’.
In all this time. And with their multiple media appearances, not just Ferguson but all of SAGE, they’ve never really been asked to debate. Some pro lockdown heads have encouragingly done so, see the Cambridge Union debate, but for SAGE they bat safe balls only.
And they wonder why everyone’s a conspiracy theorist now.
It’s all a BIG FAT LIE to usher in authoritarian “health passports” that will deny you your fundamental human rights. Resist it all NOW. No tests, no forced isolation. No vaccines. Don’t pick up phone to doctors or unknown numbers. Don’t answer the door. Put junk mail IN THE BIN!
Great advice!
Resist testing of school children and masks in the classrooms
I have told my doctor’s surgery that I didn’t want the vaccine twice. Since then I have had 15 phone calls (unaswered naturally) and three letters, one from the hospital and two from the surgery. I’m doing as you suggested but sometimes it feels like harrassment.
They may yet live to regret flushing out the antivaxxers…. seems the general public DO want to know what toxic substances do to their bodies.
Here’s hoping. Some bed wetters don’t seem to care though. Just reach for the magic snake oil.
Been groomed into being drug addicts. Having seen active addicts close up, it’s disturbing to watch.
wish I shared your optimism on that – seems to me majority of uk general public are still swallowing the govt/media proposition that there is a deadly disease out there that they MUST be vaccinated against in order to be allowed to live normally again/go on holiday and are not looking too deeply into any side effects of what they are consenting to or its efficacy etc.
I don’t blame Fergi for anything much; the people in government who give this doofus any credence whatsoever are the ones to blame.
I blame him for existing: a serious error on the part of Evolution.
I spent the early part of this morning catching up on Peter Hitchens latest interview on Talk Radio (from yesterday). The discussion began with talk of our liberties, whether we would ever get them back, and so on.
Hitchens observed:
‘I think that an awful lot of people have grown used to this. I think that a surprising number of people quite like it…that they readily swap actual liberty for notional safety…and I think that’s been established’.
As we await the spoonfuls of ‘normality’ that the government will dole out to us over the coming weeks, mindful that at any moment the rug could quite easily be tugged from under our feet, it could be seen that, to borrow from the metaphorical story Hitchens mentions, we are reduced to ‘bargaining for a parody of the freedom (we) used to have’.
Some might argue that Hitchens is too pessimistic, regarding his viewpoint of the perceived supplicant nature of the population at large; others that he is bang on the money.
Some have noted here that they have perceived a change in the tenor of comments in papers like The Daily Mail, and I often follow the links that are posted here, and it does seem to be true that people are now expressing their frustration and anger much more readily than a few months ago.
The article in yesterday’s Telegraph about face masks for school children engendered a seething torrent of vitriol against that crazy measure. I went back this morning to see if the views had in anyway changed, and no, they hadn’t except for the addition of some comments by a tiresome troll going by the moniker of ‘Lazy Teacher’.
I am starting to believe now, (or perhaps I’m kidding myself and simply want to believe), that there is something akin to a pressure cooker effect, that people are genuinely becoming fed up and that it won’t take much for the whole thing to blow. The catalyst might be something as innocuous as the first very mild sunny day across the country, and how people choose to act, something like the beach scenes last year.
Then I saw this in this mornings Telegraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/vaccination-envy-real-should-react-get1/
On reading that, (‘vaccine envy’ indeed), I have two pieces of advice for Gavin Newsham:
1: Don’t be such a fucking twat.
2: You really need to get off of social media pronto.
It’s worth a read because it is so hilarious but not for any reason that I think he would comprehend.
PETER HITCHENS could have become a LEADER but instead he sat on the sidelines as a contrarian COWARD.
I think his commentary belongs somewhere at the beginning of all this, before people realised this was a PlanScamdemic.
He has his niche and has done well out of it. Hitchens is a total coward.
I have to give Peter his due he has been resolute from day one even in the face of severe vitriol. I cannot call Peter a coward if the whole population had been as well learned as him we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Maybe he just isn’t cut out to lead anything or anyone. He’s a journalist.
I for one was grateful that he was around at the very start. It was very comforting to hear someone say publicly what I was seeing and thinking for myself.
It was a very helpful sanity check.
Once the side effects start materialising, I have no doubt that there will be vaccine envy – those who have received the “vaccine” will envy those of us who have not.
This is not the Great Reopening, it is another step towards The Gulag Britain – lockdowns, yearly vaxx and vaxx passports are still on the table.
It is planned that WE will active the Great Opening.
THE GREAT REOPENING 20TH MARCH (bitchute.com)
A few juicy bits from the Government roadmap, as cited in today’s post:
To ensure the country is prepared for these scenarios and while further evidence is gathered, the Government is planning for a revaccination campaign, which is likely to run later this year in autumn or winter … Over the longer term, revaccination is likely to become a regular part of managing COVID-19.
The Government will review whether COVID-status certification could play a role in reopening our economy … This will include assessing to what extent [vaccine] certification would be effective in reducing risk, and the potential uses to enable access to settings or a relaxation of COVID-Secure mitigations.
… the Government can look to introduce a system to allow vaccinated individuals to travel more freely internationally.
The UK is working with other countries who have started similar programmes, to lead global efforts to adopt a clear international framework with standards that provide consistency for passengers and industry alike. [i.e. vaccines] The Government will make this a reality through ongoing work with the World Health Organisation and other multilateral organisations …
… any such system will take time to implement. … Introducing such a system also needs to be fair and not unduly disadvantage people who have yet to be offered – or gain access to – a vaccine. [i.e. those who refuse the vaccine become non-people]
… the Government is also investing in bolstering domestic vaccine production capacity across the whole of the UK.
And all this presented by the purveyors of this site with almost jaunty insouciance.
Toby Young, Jonathan Barr: no matter what your services in the past, this is not good enough. What side are you on?
If you are going along with this, then this site is finished. There’s no point in it anymore, and perhaps never was.
The idea of certification – just a different name for the “vaccine” passport, or immunity passport. Ironically anyone who has ever tested positive (falsely or otherwise) should be able to claim immunity. But that’s not what this is about – this has nothing to do with immunity, nothing to do with risk, it’s to do with compliance through fear and coercion. Those who won’t do as required could easily become second class citizens.
He’s on his side, which is the opposite of our side, note the constant attacks on “conspiracy theorists” a.k.a anything opposing the establishment narrative. I’ve never really bought into the “controlled opposition/gatekeeper” trope, but I think we are witnessing a mi5 covert operation. Now tell mi5 is a conspiracy theory!
He’s on his side
Do you mean Toby, or JB? I’m hoping i’m wrong, but there’s an unpleasant whiff starting to emerge from the daily posts. (Although others will argue it’s been there for a while.)
The stink has been lingering for sometime, I’m even starting to question the reason it was ever started. It’s a classic strategy to herd your enemy in one place to monitor them
LS is controlled opposition?
I’m beginning to wonder.
Please stop the conspiracy theorist social stigmatization. There is an elite cabal that have an agenda to control us as Toby Young knows all too well, it is a political neo-liberal elite, a.k.a middle class establishment & he is one of them! People of various descriptions have delusions of grandeur to rule the world. They usually fail, but there is no denying the ruling class of liberal left encouraged facilitated & funded by nihilistic globalists.
The purpose of their conduct is simple, to destroy traditional conservative & religious cultural values that are a road block to the new world order a.k.a one world governance & anyone denying that ambition must have been living on the moon for the last 75yrs. As if to prove this our lives & economies are dominated by NGOs eg. IMF, WHO, UN etc. Their aim is to deconstruct cultural traditions, beliefs, nature & natural process. Fundamentals that underpin society such as principles of biology, the function of sexual dimorphism, biological reproduction, nuclear family corrupt by the normalization of sexual deviation, destruction of community by corporate interest, the demolition of Nation by unelected unaccountable neo-liberal coalitions i.e. the EU.
Another threat has surfaced with technology, that threatens both the establishment agenda & democracy, the power of social media. The social media giants Facebook, Twitter & Amazon (Amazon identifies itself as a software company not a retailer) effectively stole the election from one senile old man with the wrong political views for another one that probably doesn’t even know what year it is. Note how scared western leaders have suddenly become of the power social media holds, even they are shocked at how social media fixed the US election.
There is a conspiracy to control us, it’s as old as our species it’s designed to manipulate the masses for domination, it’s a power grab it’s called politics, groups of like-minded individuals collaborating to advance their personal interests, the purpose is to control others via resources it’s been happening for thousands of years first by controlling, land, money, food supply, medicine, housing etc. via legislation, Regulation & rules, enslaving the unlucky & unwilling alike ! Total control is getting ever closer! Totalitarian technocracy is the conspiracy fact, predators & parasites such as Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg et al. are just part of it.
Let’s get one thing straight abotu Neil Ferguson. He believes he’s right because he is a theorist. I’ve come across theoretical physicists in my career and the ones bedded in with the government teat mostly believe their own farts. The telling response was:
Ferguson does not discuss measurement. His whole theory is predicted on it, as is all scientific study, but he chooses not to believe a pathologist who deals in this everyday is wrong.
Do I trust or accept everything Claire Craig says? No. But she makes a lot of points that are valid about the difficulties and dangers of overdiagnosis.
Ferguson DOES NOT CARE about that. He is a theorist. He believes his models and that’s it.
The trouble is that he is saying that he ethically believes his models should be applied. He does not caveat anything in those letters.
I would have fired him and his ilk ages ago and possibly looked into protecting myself legally.
These people are the same as the Met Office climate people and UEA crowd. Along with the Michael Mann’s and Schmidt’s of the world.
Ferguson does not consider scientific reality in that
a) there is not sufficient measurement precision in the method to properly attribute Covid. There are papers on this already about flu not being tested for, as well as the fact that a few minutes scutiny of the symptoms list would show you this
b) the real world control tests with different places doing different things showed LITTLE TO NO EFFECT.
Do not keep writing to him.
We need to raise an inquiry into ethical violations. He and his team are applying hypothesis and speculation as if they are fact.
Volkswagen got hauled over the coals for having a special bit of “tested but undeclared” software running on their cars purely to meet stupidly low emission standards. Standards that have been reduced year on year because of increasing green policies.
But the cars themselves were fine. It was a technical violation.
Ferguson and his team, as has been pointed out many times are making fundamental errors and violating the principles of applicable science.
I’m not surprised though.
Great post. I have had some terrible experiences of theoretical mathematical modellers.
In IT I see nothing but bad models. I have never encountered an accurate one. On any topic, ever. Bad data, no data validation, corrupted source files, no documentation, no in line code comments, bad coding, logical errors aplenty, no testing…etc etc. Would take myself with 2 friends about 4 hours to completely demolish Fergutard’s models. They are shyte.
I almost totally agree with your post. Same experience with me. But I’ve written a good model – to calculate tides, sun/moon/rise/set, etc. Bodged in excel. Works fine. The thing is, I’ve tested it against actual observations …
and no one paid me for it.
Same thing in my career and that’s even including experimental physics. Ferguson making the claim that arguing about code is meaningless is another tell. He uses those very same models to drive his understanding of viruses. They all do that.
They get new data and plug it into the same shite without considering the wider picture and the quality of the data. And after having their circle-jerk with all their mates you are the one who is wrong.
Personally I say leave them to it. Just don’t give them any opportunity to apply it to the real world
I find Ferguson’s emails deeply tedious. He’s a charlatan, and as such has nothing to say.
I’m not scientist and neither is Ferguson. Both of us ponder life and make guesses.
It started becoming quite common in the ’70s and ’80s for scientists starting off in physics to find they weren’t quite up to it and had no real prospects in the field, so they would transfer to biology or some other less intense field. I’d guess that Fergi is one of those.
THANK YOU!!! This post has made my day. I think you are originally NN in Thailand and you’ve been awake to the BS from day one. And one day I hope I get to hug you. Thank you!!! Every WORD of this!
mRNA vaccines for farm animals? Erm no thank you!
“The precision of the technology was summed up for me when one of the virus experts was recently asked on the BBC if the vaccine would work on the new variant of the virus.
He said: “The genetic code is like an email; we just go in and precisely adjust a few letters in it to reflect the change in the virus.”
These genetically engineered vaccines will literally save millions of lives, allow economies and businesses to thrive again and save jobs.
Yet these precision genetic techniques, which have the potential to revolutionise crop breeding and vaccine development for animals, are being denied to the farming industry by the SNP Government.
Surely it is time our politicians used their common sense, ended the hypocrisy and recognised these tools are part of the solution in the move to a more sustainable agriculture.”
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/farming/2780068/george-lyon-covid-vaccine-highlights-need-to-accept-genetic-engineering/
Would you be happy eating meat which had come from animals “vaccinated” with mRNA vaccines? I wouldn’t touch anything GMO if I knew about it.
Thoughts?
I believe that mRNAvaccines were used innths poultry industry against Avian Flu. Now, any sign of the virys in a bird and tghe entire flock is destroyed.
Neat way of getting a reliance on synthetic meat, as a certain indivudual is suggesting we should all be eating instead of the real stuff.
Why is the msm barking on about ‘back to normal’ by June 21st? (Don’t worry its a retorical question!) It’s just another carrot on a 4 month long stick. They really are taking the piss now. Apart from a few nuts on social media I think the mood is changing out there. I took my kids to the play park over the weekend and again yesterday. Very busy, not a mask in sight. I spoke to a few parents I know and they’re all fed up with it now. Apart from a few nuts on social media I think the collective mood is changing. A nice, sunny weekend in March should bring the masses out to play and put this shit show to bed.
Johnson had to appease back benchers to protect his position, the road map is bollocks, numerous roadworks will mean an infinity of diversions, this map isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, Johnson is set to piss away trillions more on vaccines, testing, tracing, furlough & PPE enriching his cronies & corporate interests at the expense of guess who! Whilst we slowly rot in enslavement.
Doris and SAGE idiots will start messaging LD4 in the spring (or threaten it), hence the variants and ‘doubts’ about vaxx efficacy (flu vaxxes never stop transmission, no proof exists they do). His roadmap is a short jaunt and then a return to base.
Roadworks all over the place and of course variant road blocks ahead.
You credit Johnson with too much say in what he does, nut nut is controlling the fat.
Johnson’s road map has been set out with, we assume, the approval of the Behavioural Insights Team. These people are the supposed experts – so they must surely know the effect these restrictions are having, as well as the psychological harm of the way they are being lifted. The messaging from the government has been orchestrated by a group of technocrats and experts who are deliberately harming people’s well being – they cannot be assumed not to know what is happening to so many.
If there is an industry of fraud and nonsense it is Psychology and related ‘expertise’. Imagine a country of 70 mns submitting itself to fake models, made up by quackademics ‘fact checked’ by behavioural philosophy lunatics. Beggards f***ing belief really.
When this shit show is over, these “behavioural psychologists” should be jailed, sacked from their jobs and struck off from their professional body (if there is one).
Then the worst offenders like that Mitchie woman should be executed.
This has been posted on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/birb_k/status/1364047644054626307
It is a summary of the notes from the last Sage Modelling Group meeting.
Full notes here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963414/S1130_SPI-M_Summary_of_Modelling_on_Roadmap_Scenarios.pdf
SAGE should be in jail en masse for criminality and wanton stupidity. Not a single one of them is a code programmer, data expert, or IT expert. They are just academics. That is all. Their models wiped out our lives.
They are behavioural psychologists and extremely good at what they do – unfortunately for us!
This is appalling:
“No jab, no NHS job? Professor Chris Whitty says covid vaccines could be compulsory for medics and care staff because all workers should want to get inoculated voluntarily anyway”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9289087/Covid-jabs-compulsory-medics-care-staff-says-Professor-Chris-Whitty.html
So because you “should want” to get the experimental gene therapy it’s ok to make it compulsory? No, it’s not ok – the top comments on that article are good. Lots of people saying no!
It was always about vaccines, Johnson raised my alarm bells on vaccination before he even became pm. He keeps referring to anti-vaxxers as nutters, all politicians are manufacturing hatred & discrimination toward people that don’t want them. All western leaders are fully aware of UNESCO medical treaties & Nuremberg code & their legal position its why they just simply don’t legislate compulsory vaccination. It’s coercive & divisory, it’s a conspiracy.
Johnson is not a nice man. Here’s a “fact checked” piece about his views on “blue collar” men:
“Boris Johnson did write that “blue collar” men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless”
https://fullfact.org/online/Boris-Johnson-working-men/
He also wrote a piece on overpopulation which you can read here: http://www.eyemead.com/overpop.htm
Quote: “The world’s population is now 6.7 billion, roughly double what it was when I was born. If I live to be in my mid-eighties, then it will have trebled in my lifetime.The UN last year revised its forecasts upwards, predicting that there will be 9.2 billion people by 2050, and I simply cannot understand why no one discusses this impending calamity, and why no world statesmen have the guts to treat the issue with the seriousness it deserves.How the hell can we witter on about tackling global warming, and reducing consumption, when we are continuing to add so relentlessly to the number of consumers? The answer is politics, and political cowardice.”
“drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless” – hmmm is Johnson projecting there? I think he has ticked each of those boxes at some point along the way.
He’s done more than his bit to populate the world too having fathered 6 known children.
And how many sprogs does he have??!
Time he had the snip then.
What incredibly short memories all these ideologues and activists seem to have.
From lockdown to letdown.
Back to shakedown in the spring. Have no worries. They will message LD 4 using ‘SAGE’ shit to justify the hysteria.
It isn’t the summer we need to worry about, it’s next winter. Seems to me we’ll have a reprieve for about 3 months before some other seasonal variant or disease is found, if not this year, the next
The precedent is the problem.
I don’t watch the broadcasts. I don’t have time to give to the fascistic covitheatre, and if I did I would use it to do something else. So I haven’t seen Johnson on film for months.
But in the stills I see of him now he looks no longer comic but criminal. Hancock similarly. They have the look of war criminals.
It just needs bars to complete the picture.
And hemp.
What they makes ropes of.
How can Merseyside Police just apologise and think that makes it all right? It wasn’t a slip of the tongue. It was a campaign. The Chief Constable has to resign, surely?
Somebody designed and produced the poster – which means it was commissioned, surely, by someone else. Therefore it cannot have been an oversight.
Would it work the other way round? Could I get away with displaying a poster which was incorrect and misleading by saying sorry?
You’d think someone with such abhorrent judgement could never become a police chief!
I’m also sick of top civil servants getting away with “unlawful” acts when they are blatant crimes. Trying to trick people into thinking free speech is a crime is a crime, its fraud!
He is Muslim isn’t he. So no resignations. No blowback. Just knee bending.
For gods’ sake.
If it’s not Carry on Carrie, it’s Sinister Academic GuEsswork.
As a commenter at the Terrorgraph has said:
“It’s just so depressing. Weak government, over ambitious scientists, compliant media and, worst of all, the public love being dominated.”
Yep, strong masochistic streak in the great British public.
We have an awful lot of jabs here in the UK already. If it’s “no jab no job” then what about all the others?! Why just covid? I would rather have covid than any of these things! Sometimes I feel like pointing out these glaringly obvious contradictions and lunacies are the only way of getting through to people.
Diphtheria
Hepatitis B
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Polio
Tetanus
Whooping cough
Rotavirus
Meningococcal group B
Pneumococcal
Meningococcal group C
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Flu
Human papillomavirus
Meningitis A/C/W/Y
Shingles
Tuberculosis
Hepatitis A
Pandemrix was “perfectly safe” too.
Until it wasn’t.
Thanks I’m just reading. It’s a worry isn’t it. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/11/swine-flu-jab-most-likely-led-to-narcolepsy-in-nurse-who-killed-herself-coroner
Then get tested twice a week for each one!
Yes precisely! I wonder if there is a PCR test for everything?! I know there’s one for pertussis (whooping cough) bacteria (not virus) as it created a completely false pandemic before: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html
Don’t forget Diarrheoa kills 2 million a year. I have a form of pertussis (whooping cough), bloody infectious and contagious, never had anyone ask me if I was running leaks into my diapers and emanating brown streams, or spreading pertussis…..
Thanks, I fear I will be sending this sort of thing to an HR department at some point.
Two conclusions we can draw from last night’s ‘Roadmap’ out of lockdown:
1. Don’t bother with the vaccines because they don’t work.
2. Freedom is only for summer, be prepared for lockdown again next winter.
Not a roadmap. Just a path to nowhere.
Question for the Vaxxists, the Vaxx fanatics, the ‘scientists’ that they all are…..the entire 80+ population or almost all of it, which is 3.5 million, was Jabbed in the UK by Feb.
Yet according to the (fake) dead totals, the piles of dead 80+ with the Rona keep stacking up. 3300 dead from Rona in the past week, avg age is 80…..Vaxx is supposed to work almost immediately according to Vaxxist propaganda.
So Vaxxists – why the 3300 dead in the past week? And the week before….Or is the vaxx just a load of shyte?
(please refrain from ‘evolving jabberwocky’, ‘variants’, ‘mutations’ and other non-science contradictions of the 2nd law of thermodynamics).
And why the 300 dead from the Vaxx (just the dead which are recorded), and 1000s injured? Isn’t your vaxx ‘safe’? Hmm. No articles on the Vaxx dead and wounded. I wonder why.
The vax may or may not be shite, but the death statistics certainly are. Their corpse lies have put them in an unwinnable bind.
Indeed! Just checked today’s ONS Weekly Report for England and Wales (w/e 12/2). 5,691 “Covid related” deaths out of 15,354 total deaths. And as usual mostly in 75+ age group. So what conclusion would any reasonable person draw about the vaccines?
One of the advantages of not having a telly is not having to watch the abomination that is Johnson and his press conferences. The clown does love the sound of his own voice.
As for a “roadmap” what “roadmap”?? It’s nothing of the sort, more like a roadmap towards our complete annihilation.
This is what I thought when I read the so-called “roadmap” ATL, how many people will now wake up when they realise that their lives and jobs are totally destroyed and gone?
He seems very full of himself again. Sadly the so called vaccine roll out has won over some of the mp’s who were voting against him before the new variant was rolled out. The bit I managed to endure yesterday included IDS drooling over the vaccine roll out. Rather depressing.
Sadly only a handful of Tory mp’s are going to bat for those of us who see no need to have chemicals injected into the body, for a virus unlikely to hurt us.
I have done a little survey of clients and friends who work in the NHS and they all have said almost without exception those middle aged people who have really struggled to bop this virus are obese or with pre existing condition. If I was 75 and still healthy I would still fancy my chances of bopping this virus, without needing extra chemical infusion.
The individual knows their own body and medical history better than the state.
Exactly and its really odd how they’re constantly pushing the vaccine when the best cure for ailments such as cold and flu are bed rest, plenty of liquids and paracetamol. And of course prevention via vitamin supplements, a balanced diet and physical activity are much better.
Like I said this has long ago ceased to be about the virus. Agree that the individual knows their body better than anyone else and the Good Body has evoled for millions of years to be able to take care of itself. Why peole have forgotten about this is a mystery.
A mass media push for collectivism. Tactics we will set the group think. Nothing demonstrates this more than the face muzzling.
I know very few want to wear them, as I have invited hundreds to remove them on arrival for meetings in our offices. Nobody has needed a second invitation so far. They wear them for fear of Patel’s £200 FP’s (few know the law on this) and fear of being chastised by others.
So collective sheep mentality is now very set.
Yep and I’ve noticed that people now especially the young are scientifically illiterate.
I was chatting with a millenial colleague and her ignorance of the basic workings of the respiratory system was baffling.
What was she saying?
I have been struck by a lot of innumeracy, resulting in people thinking that far more people have died from the dread contagion than has actually been the case.
yep – I’ve always said “I’m the one living in this body – and therefore I know it much better than anyone else will”.
So Boris makes out he is identifying with the people by waiting for the hairdressers to open. He doesn’t explain why most premier league footballers don’t have a hair out of place or why a lot of ordinary people are managing rather well.
At this rate doing like the Amish and Orthodox Jews is very attractive. Oddly they have some of the lowest cases & death rates in the US.
Is the government still giving financial incentives for hospitals to quote Covid as cause of death?
You can ask the NHS under FOI. I did. They will redirect you to a specific hospital. The hospital redirected me back to the NHS….so I would guess yes they are. 1000 per CV event. Home Care facilities can claim CV related emergency expenses as well.
In other interesting news Harvard astrophycisist Avi Loeb has published a book arguing his case that Oumuamua was an alien visitor. Surprisingly the likes of Scientific American haven’t thrown him under the bus.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/astronomer-avi-loeb-says-aliens-have-visited-and-hes-not-kidding1/
Now if there was an outside factor that could motivate the world’s governments to engage in massive social changes, Contact would be one of them….
Related to Bigfoot. Or LochNess. Or Santa.
“Now if there was an outside factor that could motivate the world’s governments to engage in massive social changes, Contact would be one of them….”
Even if it’s a lie.
Sadly, they seem to have chosen the insectoid societal model …
It’s been a long 2 weeks to flatten the curve, do you remember that? Let’s not waste time judging Boris on this, we already know he’s a lying twat. Let’s see what the other 649 do & say.
Bleat bleat bleat bleat.
More LD. Baaa. More LD. Baaa….
Surely now is the time to set up alternative communities
Yes, sadly, I’m coming to that conclusion.
This is a vaccine scam – that much is clear now, and the huge nagging doubt in my mind is that the purveyors of this site are on onboard with it.
Weather the storm – we can get through. There will be a thriving blackmarket for the non-vaccinated. Eventually the side effects will start coming to the surface …
At which point we (ie the unvaxxed) might be the only healthy people left around to actually run Society. Those of us still working age might land up profiting from hugely increased wage rates – as employers strive to find people to fill their jobs. After all – it’s happened before back in history hasn’t it?
That’s a frightening, awful thought that has remotely occurred to me … the obvious parallel is in the aftermath of the 1349 Black Death, when the shortage of labourers meant they commanded premium wages and could choose their employers.
But robots are going to do almost everything. They don’t need many of us.
One of the staff at my livery stables was angry yesterday because two livery horses had been taken away. Their owners, new to horse ownership, didn’t feel they were getting the support they needed. And they weren’t, because the staff isn’t allowed to give lessons or provide any support.
Apparently freelance instructors can go about giving lessons, but BHS approved centres can’t.
I own a field directly opposite the stables. I said, that was off their premises so why didn’t they give freelance lessons there?
Silence.Staff member walks off.
Just looked at this Telegraph article linked above the line:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/02/21/costs-rising-exponentially-europes-disinformation-war-vaccine/
(Behind paywall, but usual trick gets you in.)
It appears to make some very bold claims for ‘vaccines’. Quotes:
Tens of millions have received the AstraZeneca jab in the UK and India without meaningful side-effects beyond minor – and desirable – signs of an immune reaction. Yet frontline health workers in Germany, Austria, France, and Spain have convinced themselves that it is doing them real harm, and that it is also ineffective.
No matter that the data pouring in from the UK’s mass vaccination campaign has beaten expectations. It has demonstrated near total efficacy against death and serious disease, protecting the elderly as presumed, and all without meaningful side-effects.
.. and the DT can’t spell ‘prevalent’.
Hundreds dead in the UK. Thousands injured. And it can take months or years for injuries to become apparent. Telegraph is propaganda. Why would I, with 99.7% effective immune system, be forced to take RNA+aborted fetal tissue+mercury+phosophate+other junk? What is the point of it?
Your submission gives Johnson a stiffy. That’s the point.
Oh, and presumably quite a lot of taxpayers’ money is ‘spent’ in the process.
Doesn’t it cross his mind that there might also be a nocebo type effect in COVID-19. Isn’t a bit schizophrenic to think this is only a thing with vaccines.
Basileus, what’s the usual trick to get past the paywall? I’ve stopped my trial and can’t get to read the DT articles now! Thanks for letting me onto the secret!
Nothing makes doubt the safety of Coronavirus vaccines that the fanatical attempt to suppress and criminalise those who question them.
Noting makes me regard Professor Fergusson with more contempt than his response to reasoned academic argument with juvenile allegations of ‘misinformation’ and links to a conspiracy theorist handbook.
Can someone confirm the findings of the Scottish study that found the massive fall in hospitalisation rates. How did they ascertain that the reason for the fall is the jabs and not the virus dying out in the community? Do they have a control of elderly vulnerable people who haven’t had the jab and who ended up in hospital?
‘Control group’? You do realise that’s a give-away phrase that proves you have been looking at the wrong Facebook pages?
Nadine Dorries will issue a statement shortly: ‘There is no such thing as a control group.’ Marianna Spring will fact check, and yay verily it will be true. Controls were never part of the scientific method.
As an antidote to the MSM screaming of the 95% success this is a more sober comment.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1363935145011642371
The study did NOT end after day 34 (five weeks after vaccination). And guess what? HOSPITALIZATIONS BEGAN TO RISE AGAIN. And not a little, either. By six weeks out the vaccines were less than 50% effective – and even their “adjustments” could only get the figure to 58%..
First off, they didn’t find an 85% decrease in hospitalizations even after adjusting for age and preexisting conditions. It was 69%. To get 85% they ran a hocus-pocus they called an “inverse propensity adjustment.” Bully for you if you know what that is.
Thank you Swedenborg, I had a feeling it was complete bollocks.
Review of scientific reports of harms caused by face masks, up to February 2021
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349518677_Review_of_scientific_reports_of_harms_caused_by_face_masks_up_to_February_2021
It is a testimony to the power of propaganda, institutional capture, and the desire to
socially conform that masking of the general population has successfully been imposed
during the COVID-19 era. The harms from this imposition are palpable, and potentially
long-term and gargantuan, not the least of which is the psychological training of the
public to comply with an absurd measure that has direct personal negative impact. I
review the mounting evidence of the obvious: Universal masking harms people and
society, without any detectable benefit.
In response to the comment from the guy engaging with Ferguscum, remember this was the guy who fed his media chums the comment that children may be more vulnerable to the Chinese Coronavirus variant, picked up in Kent. No evidence was presented to back that up but it led to the left wing co-ordinated campaign to shut schools for the winter.
For this he deserves total contempt. He knew full well what he was doing there I heard the interview. A real slimeball this lad. Of course the government should ignore his findings totally but follow the money.
So the closing of various hospitality and gathering places has been the coercion. To get the jab and be able to enter these premises, the dream of domestic ID, as has been the EU plan for years, is the ‘hope’ and couldnt have been done without this carrot. Vaccinating the children is also to persuade parents who dont take up the offer that their children will want to go places they wont be able to take them. People who think this is ok, should realise where the segregation comes in, also that the longed for holidays will be easily rationed using their ID for their sustainable world.
that, and a depopulation agenda plus getting on Bill Gates good side Dan. It was never about “keeping people safe” or about their health – the “virus” was simply the convenient vehicle.
Mathematical profilers calculate end of lockdown
Professor Thrug of the Trotter institute said that provided the government does not change it’s current policy the lockdown will end in July 2025
Prof Thrug said “We took the original announcement of a three week lockdown and entered that in our computer. We then factored in that the 3 week prediction actually turned out to be 48 weeks
Applying these calculations to the current four month prediction we came up with a figure of an extra 5.3 years of lockdown
Cecil – you are such a logician!
The most depressing update for weeks.
I will say this, the Letter from the Philippines is what Zero Covid looks like. That’s is, ritualised child abuse and permanent state control of your life. If you come across these maniacs, get angry. They are coming for everything you hold dear.
I’m hopping mad this morning – not least with today’s post.
Children are learning some new words – yesterday my 5-yr-old asked mummy what ‘bloody’ means, which is the least of what I’ve been saying. I shudder to think what she says in school – I’m pretty sure she tells the others that Johnson is a liar. And I do wonder if she’s said anything about the stupid people in masks – i.e. the parents outside the school.
Blames me.
Same here. The child says that the government is stupid, even wrote a letter to BoJo telling him how stupid he is
They’ll go far!
It’s funny because all the home services are still allowed. So going into malls and offices have these restrictions. Yet you can get your food delivered, get you haircut and have a massage with people coming to you instead.
Also there’s no restrictions in the slums. And people still die in the street irrespective of Covid.
I have family there.
Sadly what is needed is something truly horrific and traumatic on the level of the Floyd incident to force the sheeple to reconsider their blind acceptance.
It will have to be something akin to somebody, who has lost everything due to the lockdowns and fake pandemic, his business, his home, his family and ultimately his mental health, turning up on Westminster Greem and blowing his brains out in front of the world media and TV cameras, to show he had nothing left to live for.
That, at least would get the media talking about what has really happened, and wheee the media lead, the sheep will follow.
Blowing your brains out is a symptom of Covid, didn’t you know?
Actually, Annie, I thought being brainless to begin with was. That’s why we have so many apparent believers in the sheeple. They all got infected and dudn’t know it.
Reminds me of Noel Coward saying, when someone of whom he had a poor opinion had blown his brains out, “What a remarkably good shot!”
I have actually considered that. I appear to be too much of a coward.
Death due to covid!
Like Raoul Moat.
Putting markers down in conversations with people to help them recall this current batch of lies might help the nation wake up.
Discuss with them what they expect to happen and when of tge back of untrustable boris speech. Hold them to the marker.
Then when these dats are missed changed extended you can clearly take the person back to their own expectations. The autumn lockdown might be a moment to revisit this ladt batch of lies out of boris.
It’s good that Ferguson has started replying to peoples emails etc it is good as we are getting to him ,and he is rattled by the criticism of him.
So keep writing and emailing not only him but other members of SAGE put the heat on the Bastards , let them feel like we feel , fearful for the future.
Publishing it just legitimizes him. This site has been compromised.
Ah, Stefan Lewandowsky, the psychologist responsible for the 97% of scientists global warming claim which turned out to be, actually, a handful of climate scientists who had mentioned an anthropogenic cause for the warming in their papers. He really has a bee in his bonnet about scientific scepticism and has managed to rebrand it all as conspiracy theory.
They seem to be a cabal. You always see roads leading back to the same place.. Not suprised to learn thus
We are being manipulated again by the behavioural “scientists” who said back in March 2020 that we did not feel sufficiently threatened by the virus, so they brought in a hard hitting campaign which succeeded in terrifying a majority of people.
When lockdown lifted in June, many were too frightened to go back to the shops so the British Retail Consortium pushed for masks to be worn. Hancock himself admitted that it was to make people feel safe.
Testing in secondary schools and mask wearing in classrooms (something that Boris described as a ridiculous idea) is being brought in to make parents feel safer about sending their children to school.
The “road map” is “them” giving “us” permission to go back to living our lives as normal. Many of us have been doing exactly that for many months now as best we can under the “rules” but most have been waiting for the government to tell them that it is safe to do so.
Just the threat of no jab, no job or foreign travel is enough to make many people have the experimental (but safe) vaccine.
Manipulation, manipulation, manipulation. I’m sick of being treated like an idiot. I will decide for myself the level of risk that I am willing to take.
No.
The reason is control
Do not allow your child to get tested and do not allow your child to wear masks in school – both are ‘recommended’ only.
When lockdown lifted in June, many were too frightened to go back to the shops so the British Retail Consortium pushed for masks to be worn. Hancock himself admitted that it was to make people feel safe.
The BRC deserve everything they will get when physical retail goes in the way of the Dodo. And also do they not realise that part of the reason why people didn’t go back into the shops is due to rising unemployment and bankruptcy rates? How will you spend if you don’t have the money or finances are tight?
and many others like us do not visit shops due to the draconian and unfair mask enforcement discriminating against people with disabilities
Count me in with that. Have very rarely visited shops when they were open and I refuse to give them my money if they actively discriminate against people with disabilities.
Agree. [pre-2020] I was one of those that actually enjoyed shopping, just walking around & browsing, & it’s one of the things I kinda miss.
However if you see a business actively discriminating, eg. ‘no mask no entry’ or similar, report them to trading standards (can do it online via the Citizens advice bureau). Whether it has any effect or not, who knows. at the very least it might make them think.
Now wondering about that organic farm shop – Glebelands – near St Dogmaels, Ceredigion. He was all on it demanding masks on customers before it became mandatory in this part of the country. Hmm….wonder where the nearest trading standards office is….
In my local veg shop yesterday – sign on door “only 2 people allowed in shop at any time [they have 3-4 staff circulating though] customers must wear mask to be permitted to enter. If you have no mask we can sell you one for £1.00” [a disposable mask that costs about 10p if bought in bulk]. Voted with my feet. Won’t be back.
Well, that backfired quickly, did it not. Was it about 70% less footfall in town and cities after mncs were introduced in shops?
Indeed it did backfire and when it was extended to supermarkets, the same happened.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-two-more-community-cases-revealed-household-members-of-todays-positive-case-kmart-staff-identified-as-close-contacts/AG6CNCID5QUIMTLWSJKWN573LU/
NZ.Zero Covid land. Further 3 cases in community all connected with a case earlier in a High School.That school was already earlier totally screened. Now they have to do it again. Interesting to read between the lines in the report. Discussing language problems in school and patience with people not responding to telephone calls. It sounds diplomatic at this stage but the step from zerocovid society to fierce xenophobic reaction is very thin.
My relatives in Wellington are completely on board with the isolation, maybe until it affects them, but ‘the family have been moved to an isolation unit’ is the stuff of nightmares.
I wonder how things will go when Winter arrives in upside-downland!?
I like this bit:
‘Kmart’s Botany store was closed around 5.30pm today for deep cleaning.
Shoppers said a sign was now hanging on the store’s door, saying it had been closed for cleaning after a confirmed case of Covid.
One shopper said he and his partner were walking in the store when a staff member stopped them at the door.
“He said: ‘You need to get out,” he said.
“We looked behind him and staff were putting masks on or had already put masks on.”
The shopper said another lady came out of the store just after them. She had been at the checkout but was told to “drop everything and get out now”.’
It’s insane more like the exorcist or something. The store has been infected by the evil Covid and needs dousing with the holy water. Staff members told shoppers to get out now and donned crucifixes and prepared for battle with evil.
Its weird although I speak to relatives in NZ on an irregular basis they come out with some odd stuff, like at the beginning about the ‘mass graves’. They seem terrified and are quite willing for families to be carted off to ‘isolation units’. They keep asking in hushed tones how we are ‘coping’
They have been subjected to intense lies from their media. They have been told we have overflowing morgues and that people are literally dropping dead in the street. This is how you know it has absolutely nothing to do with a virus: each of the Western countries is using the same tactics to promote completely irrational fear.
Dark Winter approaches
A very nice free puff piece for the govt census above but forgive me if I don’t get too excited. What is ‘good’ for the govt. planners is not really very high on my list of priorities just now.
Very rarely I find anything govt planners decide coincides which is actually good for me so I remain indifferent.
I appreciate that makes me somewhat of a dissident but after what has happened over the last 11 months is it really surprising?
I don’t do any official forms online – you cannot press send unless you answered all the questions and include details such as telephone number
I don’t mind giving my phone number to the world 0123456789 I can’t tell you the number of calls I get. As for all the junk to my address on the moon, could probably fill the space station. But I never get spam, because i don’t give out my email.
Need another digit on the phone number, AS. 01234 567890.
Lots of forms demand your phoneline number. I’ve found it often works to put in random numbers, eg the exchange number, then 000000 instead of one’s own personal number.
I’m tempted to do like the Women’s Freedom League with the 1911 census and boycott it:
https://enoughofthistomfoolery.wordpress.com/2018/02/24/forgotten-women-the-suffragists-and-the-fight-for-enfranchisement-part-1/
The social contract is broken and until it is restored, for good, I won’t be playing any of their games including voting and completing forms accurately….
what is the point of voting now anyway if it means that you get this as a result?
The little card that came in yesterday’s post indicated I would get a census pack in the post shortly. Which seems to suggest that paper returns are possible. I remember last time although I got a form, delivered by a nice man, I did fill it all in online.
I’ve just had one this morning.
As I am kind of looking for a job, I am on indeed most days.
Months ago they recruited for census workers to start in Feb, now they look for people to start end of April and even May. Several positions, some are enforcers. The criteria are quite scary.
And they are … ?
3 months or so in, 30% at least still refusing. The front line. Clap for them
https://www.derrynow.com/news/derry-news/611895/trust-reveals-30-of-care-home-staff-turned-down-covid-vaccine.html
If it’s in the press you can get the actual number is probably twice that many…
Free Derry corner has just taken on a whole new meaning!!!
So, they openly revert back to their conclusions a year ago, that like flu Covid, for most of the population, is a mild disease – section 196. So by that admission the GBD would be an appropriate measure, not continuing to impose damaging restrictions on 99% of the population. What madness, why is the useless CRG not banging on the drum about this and questioning why we have been told for a year now deadly this is, and now they admit it is a mild disease but continue with measures akin to dealing with a disease with 40% mortality.
CRG have been utterly pathetic
As a semi retired teacher the idea of students having to wear masks is child abuse.The damage this will cause is intolerable.
Before lockdown when I was working,masks were worn outside classrooms.Kids wore them so all you could see only there eyes,were continally chewing,and were swearing at you.It was very difficult to see what they were doing.
Then you had the student who was so nervous wearing one.This will come back to haunt us all.Total madness.
They’ll develop a vaccine for all the disorders this creates in our kids no doubt.
Agree it is child abuse
Do not allow your child to wear a mask in the classroom.
In addition, their brains will be starved from oxygen – they will get low grade brain damage and they will never reach their potential
“I GET regular letters and emails from Matt Hancock informing me that I am ‘clinically extremely vulnerable’. Normally I bin them, but the latest email was amusing insofar as it claimed lockdown had reduced deaths this February.
So I decided to write to him as follows:”
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dear-mr-hancock-try-pinning-a-fried-egg-to-the-gate/
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Great board!!!
Yes, great – maybe add a massive WAKE UP on the end.
Blackboard Lines Matter!
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6234512327001
Telling clip on Fox News of Tucker Carson interviewing leftist Naomi Wolf, about the move from the left to remove NY governor Cuomo’s emergency powers. The counter-attack in that state has to come from the left, because NY is a leftist political fiefdom, like so many of our own major cities. These “donkey constituency” leftists are in many cases, like Cuomo, engaged in a power grab that Wolf correctly describes as similar to Italian Fascism in its coordination with corporate wealth and the emergency power grab methods employed.
What is said about the US applies, mutatis mutandis, to the UK just as much.
Tucker’s comment about seeing people as individuals rather than partisan representatives is absolutely correct, obviously, but there is a danger that this, combined with the views expressed at the end: “I’m starting to think that we’re being divided as a country precisely so we don’t have conversations like this”, will tend to lead people towards the infantile idea that is commonly adopted, that because individuals differ, there is “no difference” between right and left.
Individuals’ views are indeed not regimented. There are opponents of the ongoing transformation on both sides, and there are authoritarians on both sides. But the drive is coming from the political left, and it is backed by corporate wealth and power because those in positions of corporate power are either leftist themselves or pretending to be such for self-interested reasons.
It’s not the left that is being systematically excluded from the public square by “hate speech” censorship and corporate cancel culture, it is the conservative right. The ideas of the right – small government, fiscal responsibility, traditional freedoms, national sovereignty and patriotism, preference to small business, traditional religious morality etc, are being actively suppressed and in many cases demonised as bigotry, racism, religious extremism etc.
The ideas of the left are driving the ideas of medical emergency fascism – big government, collectivism especially in healthcare (in our country, open NHS worship), funding by unlimited state money “creation” (ultimately, taxation whether directly or via inflation), radicalism for the Greater Good.
It’s not chance that the UK “Conservative” Party leadership finds itself in full alliance with the left of the Labour Party on this medico-fascist emergency power grab (as witnessed by the recent “zero-covid” declaration by the left Labour group of MPs that includes Corbyn. The “Conservative” Party hierarchy are mostly personally committed to most of the ideals of the elite left.
Ultimately the modern political left is a vehicle for elite power, against populist power, a reversal of the situation a hundred years ago, and those who are committed to the ideals of the anti-elite left need to understand that, and either find ways to create small government parties and organisations for the left anew, or switch to populist right parties, which now stand for liberty and for the excluded. Trump represented the excluded “deplorables” in the US, and the failure of the organised left there to understand and address that needs to be taken on board by those who still think that the organised left deserves their support.
The UK “Conservatives” are not the UK equivalent of Trump, and do not represent the “deplorables” here, abandoned by the Labour Party long ago. There is no such mainstream representation here, and it needs to be created.
It’s not left or right. It’s not “driven by the left”. It’s elitism and psychological manipulation via the mainstream media driving it.
As mentioned above the line today, people are beginning to realise that while they may have pushed for leftist policies their whole life, they are not part of the gang. They are just a means to en end. So what does that stir in such an individual. Where do they go from there? Maybe they just retire emotionally and watch the shit show with a degree of wonder. As George Carlin came to realise way ahead of thr curve
https://youtu.be/eVZMifGcW64
Adam Curtis did a recent podcast with Russell Brand on this very dynamic. Trying to theorise what will grow to replace the left v right dialectic. Worth listening to it. It could be quite dark times indeed that we are heading to.
“It’s not left or right. It’s not “driven by the left”. It’s elitism and psychological manipulation via the mainstream media driving it.”
It is elitism and it is driven by the left. That is the key point to understand.
Thomas Frank on Anti-Populism’s Surprising History
There are those on the left who resist, as there are those on the right who collaborate (though mostly those are people on the “right”, such as “Conservative” Party MPs who vote to “save the NHS” and spend unlimited money to protect collectivised healthcare, but put no real pressure on to end mass immigration or to stop “hate speech” harassment of traditionalists and conservatives, etc.
If I think of myself as ‘on the left’ am I happy that such policies are now front and centre? Or as a mere mortal can I see how the whole ideology has been co opted by the same elites that I fought against? That, this time, the ladder really is being pulled up as we cannot be trusted. That’s where it breaks down. People do not have the power they think they do. It’s a facade, even here, so what does that say for places like the Philippines?
Charles Walker MP made a speech to outline his position against lockdowns and he warned about something darker in the shadows. That will stay with me. I believe he knows what has happened and there is a price we will all now pay for not being attentive to the elite takeover
Same Adam Curtis who made hypernormalisation?? That was so eye opening! If you haven’t seen it and haven’t deleted iPlayer (I have) – go find it. Tucked away in iPlayer for 5 years… someone wants to make sure it stays accessible! Also avail on YouTube I think.
The new series from him on BBC is also excellent..7 pat ,about 8 hours of it..Plus the Trap explains all about brainwashing there are using..
The same. He’s an armchair commentator, looking to provoke thought. I like that. Always makes you question your perspectives
An interesting post – and coming from the true conservative genre I find it persuasive. Would be interested to hear other views.
You are lockdown sceptical but find this nonsense persuasive because it fits your own political narrative. It is nonsense on sticks just branding everything you don’t like as left wing.
I said I would listen to other views. Your post isn’t an argument.
I don’t like big government, which one way or anther, and rightly or wrongly, is associated with the left. And right now we have the biggest government conceivable (so far).
No more Left/Right – you plebs have 2 choices
The Neo Liberal woke Party of Davos (blue team)
The Neo Liberal ultra woke Party of Davos (red team)
No to masks for children.
Great poster.
Will distribute
We need one urgently to protect children from being injected with experimental drugs. Talk of administering this to children is CHILLING!!
Maybe it’s part of the psy op to keep us scared, though! They can’t actually legally give this shit to children can they?!
All they need is parental compliance.
Have just put 2 on my car windows. This is the kind of action we need.
I need 5 signatures to get this off the ground – so please sign!
Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/576607/sponsors/new?token=oJ–7Ei1rXk85BTcbV9G
My petition:
Ensure that there are no new lockdowns.
To debate whether the UK government should enshrine in law the right of the healthy population not to be subject to quarantines and mask-wearing orders for a public health challenge of the type posed by COVID-19.
Because there is clear evidence that firstly lockdowns do not work – evidenced by around 30 scientific reports examining the comparative effects of different states of lockdown. And secondly because the social and economic damage of lockdown restrictions are greater than any benefit that can be identified from those restrictions.
That’s 1.
Another.
Done
Thanks guys – with your help – I’m there. Obviously now have the real hurdle as it will need governmental approval to publish. We can all guess how that will likely go
Done
well done!!! – just clicked the link and it says you have your 5 – can you post a link again when it has been checked so that we can all go there to start signing up? Good luck!
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/23/covid-vaccine-children.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&sd=20210130&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210223_HL2&mid=DM804582&rid=1090898686
great article
Sage are saying that if “we end lockdown too early, blah,blah,etc,etc” it will result in an extra 91,000 deaths.
Not 80,000, or 90,000 or 100,000.
Not that that figure came from a computer algorithm or printout, did it?, really, Sage aught to get out more, no, on second thoughts, put Sage under permanent lockdown for ever.
If we had someone other than a puppet running this country they would tell Sage where to go.
Thanks, Dan.
I meant to say ought and not aught by the way.
Everybody has to “play their part” to meet the dates for England’s lockdown to be eased, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has warned.
Translation: If you don’t do as you’re told like good little children then we will prolong this Lockdown for as long as we like.
The number of people parrotting this. Yet they’re unable to give us a benefit of the last year of following the rules.
“She was acutely aware of what she had been denied for the sake of keeping her ‘safe’. ”
The last year has been nothing to do with keeping old people safe, any more than donkey sancturies are about keeping donkey’s safe.
It’s all about those who run the donkey sancturies. The donkeys are just a convenient mechanism by which certain individuals can exert power over others. “What about the donkeys” they cry.
And while we continue to appease such people, the beatings will continue. As ever appeasement doesn’t work.
My Dad is from an island off the north west coast of Ireland. I see a report in the Irish Times (paywall) that the “vaccines” have arrived on the island and the locals (mainly retired as there is no employment in the area) are “excited” to get jabbed.
I reckon the priest on the island will be busy over the next year and more of the houses will become empty.
Would that be Arranmore Island?
Rathlin?Have some loose family connection there myself. Great spot.
Yes.
Ah, cool. My grandmother and all her family were born there; some moved to Scotland, some N. America, and one stayed there. I hear it is much different to how it was even 20 years ago when I last visited.
It has been about the children all along.
https://unherd.com/2021/02/should-we-vaccinate-children/
This morning I read the email by Neil Ferguson and he does come across as someone who suffers from the ‘certainty principle ‘ which I came across in the book Risk,living with uncertainty. Basically if your an expert in something your certain your right even if there’s evidence that disagrees with your point of view. For example Neil Ferguson never mentions anything about immunity and what part that plays in infections. If he’d factored immunity into his model he would have discovered covid would only cause a quarter of the deaths his model was predicting. Science is about questioning your own theories and not just seeking evidence that supports your point of view. It’s opposite to the usual way of thinking but it has enabled us humans to reach the star’s when you diverge from science you get the horrors of the final solution.
The most important fact is that Ferguson cannot model Sweden accurately.
Even climate change models are expected to fit the data from the past.
My mother used to call that stubborn and pig headed
Models cannot even replicate known historical climate fluctuations (Younger Dryas, Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age spring to mind) why on earth would anyone pay anything more than a cursory glance at what they spew out about a virus
The models can’t Predict sun spot activity so it makes them null and void.
Billions Gates will continue pumping his billions into this country. Its no coincidence that much of the momentum for this is coming from the UK, with Blair and his Foundation advertised on Billions Foundation site and the Imperial College (SAGE) getting millions in grants from the same source. And then we have the BBC and the msm…..
Apparently even pants down is saying we could go faster.
Maybe we have turned him!?!?!
Will he ever lift his head from Tier 69?
So on 31st March MPs will be voting on the “temporary” Covid Act which gives them dictatorial powers. Anybody else think this act will be about as temporary as Income Tax, that 200 year old “temporary” tax?
We MUST campaign immediately and urgently!
Right… new thought… are there any actual UK laws on being a “conscientious objector”? If you could avoid going to war on grounds you refused to kill or be killed, and you could show you had a history of having this belief, can we all become COs because we have a history of “covid realism” – in that, we accept there is a respiratory virus that causes bad symptoms in certain people, but that we object to the suggestion it is spread asymptomatically or that the general population needs an experimental “vaccine” for protection against it when there is ample evidence for protection via natural immunity?
I could be a ‘vaccine objector’, always refused the flu jab..
I’ve developed a sudden and deathly allergy to polyethelyne glycol and anyone forcing me to have the jab will be complicit in my murder.
Should do the trick
You are pro choice. My body, my choice.
I didn’t watch Boris’s announcement. I can only stomach so much propaganda. But I gather my freedoms are about to be restored, and I should be very happy. Apparently my freedoms consist entirely of the right to sit on a park bench with one other person. It was only this morning that I discovered that in return they want masks to be required in schools, even in classrooms and I’ve never felt more tempted to look for a new job. I really can’t bear the thought of having to teach like this. What makes these idiots imagine it is normal, and a small sacrifice, to have to interact with people for weeks on end without being able to look at their faces? It’s done, apparently, not because there’s some medical imperative but “to offer greater reassurance”. I don’t know where this leaves me. The fact that so many have accepted the premise that this sort of thing is “a small price to pay” or a “low cost measure” is what has got us into this position and I won’t allow the government to exercise such an arbitrary power over me. But I’ve no idea how the school plans to enforce it. I haven’t, at any point, worn a mask and I haven’t asked a pupil to wear one either. It’s not a principle I’m prepared to break. I keep coming back to G. K. Chesterton, who would have dated these lockdowns:
Great post. Teachers are being put on the front line, not of the ‘War on Covid,’ but of the battle to maintain basic human rights in this country as more than a set of empty platitudes.
Also, you will be contributing to the income of Hancock’s mates who have discovered the benefits of having a PPE company
Thank you for your courage! We must protect children. The mask wearing is to strip them of humanity and rights so that people see them as objects, as vectors of infectious disease, that must be injected with drugs. I can’t sleep at night. We MUST PROTECT THEM!
Well done quodcumque.
I would think there are legal employment protections against being forced to cause people (children) harm.
Worth asking your union for support ?
Ask the union?? Really? They will say wear two face naps and a face shield, stay safe xx
Thank you! Sadly I don’t think the welfare of children is high up in the unions’ priorities. If I was saying I shouldn’t be expected to teach, even online, until every last person on the planet has had a vaccine, I think they’d be much more receptive.
brilliant quotation, I love it
Massive Failure of the Green Energy Agenda
Data Shows Wind-Power Was Chief Culprit Of Texas Grid Collapse
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/cascend-data-shows-wind-power-was-chief-culprit-texas-grid-collapse
Alex Jones is up to speed on this too !
Is anyone really surprised ?
No, it was ERCOT requesting permission to add extra power generation (4 GW) to cope with the expected demand during the storm and cold weather and someone taking offline 30 GW of nuclear, gas, coal generation instead.
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But he’s not running the country, Bill gates is!
No. He is.
If he chooses to go along with the same agenda as the autistc Gates, and the Tory Party allows him to, then he and fellow Spivs are responsible.
Gates is a psychopath.
Replace with whom?
another Tory mong?
another Neo Lib stooge??
Collapse is the only way out of this
Get Giles Brandredth in, he will sort it out.
Hear hear
Any attempt by this evil government to sideline the unvaccinated should bring about the full force of the Human Rights Law.
What law is that exactly? I didn’t know we had any?
Agree.
Do not give up. Fight it. Distribute information to HR Departments (see my post above).
So, we might be entering a two- tiered society. No one here should really be that surprised.
I`m all for “no vacc/non socially distanced shop/pub/café culture”, bring it on !
Think it might possibly do well, Tim Martin for example should come out NOW and say these “covid certificates” will never be mandatory on his premises.
Others will follow.
Won’t happen government regulations will force fines on those that don’t comply. Job done.
We can skirt around this though with speakeasy’s. The last vestige of hope is jobs don’t mandate it. We may have enough legal protection here but the last 12 months give me no hope that we do.
It is a disgrace that this is all happening under a supposedly “Conservative” Government. The only opposition is one or two voices like Harper and Baker.
Yesterday, Labour supporters were “crowdfunding” for a new spine for Starmer, it was doing pretty well last time i looked.
The bad guys will have succeeded if they have removed hope. Chin up, JH.
Yes along with many others
Good point. Tim has quite a bit of clout and other pubs won’t dare stand out barring us if he doesn’t. Then other social venues will worry about losing customers to pubs and so on. The “thin end of the wedge” in our favour. Come on Tim!
He might take a more cautious approach of saying nothing but also not asking anyone for certificates.
would imagine new offence of “not asking for certificates” will naturally be created as part of whole vax passport package
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-a-risk-benefit-analysis/
A risk-benefit analysis of the mRNA gunk.
Great article.
Many companies are working on a vaccination approach and they are stumbling in the dark with no real information. Please send this letter to your respective HR departments.
OPEN LETTER re VACCINATION MANDATES BY EMPLOYERS FOR EMPLOYEES
OR POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/6017f56ad166465fb9025da6_UKMFA_L4L_Workers_Union-Employers_Vaccine_Open_Letter.pdf
Fight for your health – once it is compromised you have a big problem
Company HR departments (big companies, anyway) are in on the plan and part of the problem. Why give them early warning of intended tactics ?
Disagree, it has got nothing to do with ‘underground’ intended tactics.
This will help HR to advise senior management and then to develop policies and procedures that are fair to the employees and also mitigate the risk for paying out compensation. Already advised a couple of companies….
It will help HR to develop policies that are more mandatory-jab-friendly.
You’re a nice person, Victoria; company HR departments are usually not.
PS ‘underground’ ?!
100% agree keep your cards close to your hearts
Constructive dismissal is a very real thing why give them any ammunition?
Reading the “Postcard from the Philippines” was appalling and pretty much confirms what I’ve been seeing through my sister and brother-in-law’s anti-social media feed. My nieces are 3 and 5 years old, it’s appalling seeing them muzzled and wearing visors and I fear that they will be living with various sorts of physical and psychological damage for the rest of their lives.
I’m from the Philippines originally and this saddens me. We overthrew a dictatorship peacefully in 1986 and its now returned with a venegeance under the guise of “safety” and “public health.”
I’ve had debates with my family over this and they refuse to see how all the draconian restrictions especially the masking are doing damage to people’s health and well being. I was dismissed as “selfish” and “wanting people to die” when I pointed out the UNDP statistic that over 50% of poor Filipinons (who already account for 70-80% of the population) have fallen back into the extreme poverty line. They couldn’t relpy when I ask them how many of these people have to go without food in order to buy masks so that they won’t be punished by the State?
The vast majority of people I know in the Philippines have been brainwashed and are not affected because they’re rich or middle class or teachers who have remained paid throughout this. No different to the zombies we have in this country, any concern for the poor has gone out of the window and attitudes towards people with disabilities and mental health issues firmly remain in the Triassic Era.
And this is so spot on:
Corruption is the main problem and what are the odds that the following will happen?
a) certain people will benefit from being awarded the contract for the magic snake oil, they pocket the money and not deliver
b) local governments, senators and congress will demand more money (aka Pork Barrell) in order to roll out the magic snake oil
c) the magic snake oil will languish in some warehouse and by the time the green light has been given, they have expired
As the Philippines slides further into the abyss and my family start wailing that its began to impact them, I will tell them in no uncertain terms that they have been complicit in their own issues and I shan’t have any sympathy for them. Just as they have had no sympathy for my mental health issues.
You’re right about the idiocy but from my own family there appears to be a two-level situation going on. You can get food delivered and have a massage at home. You can practically operate as before. A lot of the local markets and the shanties are unregulated with respect to this. In some sense people are freer to move around and socialise apart from going the main CBD or malls. This was what my brother in law was telling me when compared to us.
But then they aren’t in Manila.
The treatment of kids though is daft. I agree on that. Especially as schools aren’t free.
I had a chat with a friend there who is a closet sceptic and from what I recall with what she said its the same in Manila – two tier system and many businesses happy to overlook things in order to generate business.
My parents being in their 70s are pretty much under house arrest and have Stockholm Syndrome due to not having seen their grandchildren for 6 months. Why they’re not questioning all this is bizarre.
The child abuse is daft and appalling. As my friend has told me, she’s worried about her son especially when summer comes around and activities are still banned.
I think it’s due to the Filipino spirit of just getting on with stuff. The problem is that it has a flip side in that you get along with bad things. Also the continual corruption eats away at people. And unlike the corruption in Ireland and the UK this is small stuff but loads of it. Basic bribery, getting poor people to shoot political opponents, using the principles of repaying favours and debt of gratitude.
So if you can stick your head down and go along with the dance it’ll be something else next year.
Amazing really. The Filipino drive would be incredible if allowed to be unleashed.
Exactly. We have a term for that – “Bahala na!” which loosely translates as “come what may.” What’s good about it is that people get on with things and don’t have patience for whining. On the flip side is that as you said, people turn a blind eye on bad things. And that’s what’s going on here, what’s worse is the “I’m alright Jack” mentality from the rich, middle class & the professionals still being paid.
Coruption is endemic in the Philippines. I myself have been a victim of low level corruption and sadly one couldn’t do anything about it.
If the Filipinos can go “Enough is Enough” they can easily topple this government. They’ve done it before and they can do it again.
I enjoy reading about your experiences (I also work in the heritage business), your ideas, your reasoned comments.
But today I’m particularly interested in your ex-country’s experience in overthrowing peacefully the dictatorship!
Are there any pointers based on that experience for us in the UK do you think? Like so many posters to this site I am starting to believe we need a revolution to end this bollox.
From what I recall what sparked the overthrow of Marcos was electoral fraud. There was a lot of big deal about “People Power” and Divine intervention then.
However its also now clear that the overthrow of Marcos would not have been possible without military involvement. A sizeable contigent of the military refused to recognise Marcos’ claim to electoral victory and refused to disperse the crowd that had gathered to protest against said fraud.
My recollection was that the military had been involved, and I couldn’t remember the circumstances (use of the military usually means violence of some kind). So it was one of the reasons I was intrigued by your use of the word ‘peacefully’.
Sadly not entirely a lesson for the UK then!
Judging by the current state of recruitment the UK army is full of wokes, gimps and trannies
No help will be forthcoming
Unfortunately I don’t think it would be possible here and if you have loudmouths like Ellwood who seems to want to strut around like Napoleon then I don’t think its a good idea to rely on the militarty.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
Ends.
Oh Jesus Fucking Christ oh God No
First line in ‘Fear of Drowning’ the first record by British Sea Power. Sums up how I feel right now.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, oh God no!
From the moment that you realize
Most of this ain’t real
To the moment that you decide
Shall we go out tonight
And we’ll swim from these island shores
Till there’s a fear of drowning
A little fear of drowning
A little fear of drowning
Haven’t heard that but it’ll be on the stereo the minute I’m off this conference call!
Jonathan Sumption says that Sweden ‘s democracy will last longer than ours.
Remind me again, what’s a democracy?
It is where the plebs turn out every 4 or 5 years and enact their right for change, without realising that the more things change, the more they stay the same; and that the new guy looks much like the old guy.
They are already trying to change the Swedish constitution to allow lockdowns
So not much longer
Same in Ireland.
They are using statuatory instruments to scare people into compliance currently. The courts would throw out most of the fines of people didn’t pay them. So, the only option for the government is to change the law.
https://twitter.com/TraceyOMahony81/status/1363927903042478080
The country shrugs its shoulders.
Would the courts throw them out? Most district court judges in Ireland are fascistic in nature – even pre COVID. There have been some people sent to jail for breaching COVID regulations in Ireland.
For the benefit of the wider audience, most judges in Ireland are failed solicitors/barristers. To be a judge, you have to have been a solicitor or barrister for a certain number of years. A successful solicitor or barrister will make more money in practice than as a judge – ergo, those who can’t hack it in practice move into the judiciary when the political party whose colours they share are in power.
I wonder why Sumption wasn’t paid off.
I’ve been away for a while now to protect my mental health. No doubt that remaining disengaged was good for me. How I wish I was as thick as most of the population seem to be, present company excepted. Ignorance certainly is bliss. I won’t hang around because my depression has been manageable and I have to do what’s right for me.
I came back to get an update on the dictator’s pronouncements. What a crock of shit. People say just live your normal life but that’s just not possible with everything closed and extended family members wanting to follow the rules.
All I have been able to do is an illegal cup of tea on a park bench with a friend on a dog walk. That will continue even before it finally becomes legal.
This is just too slow and I can only hope that the good weather brings some unrest.
Other mothers of adult children will not have failed to notice this makes it 2 mother’s days in a row when it’s illegal to see children who don’t live with you. The cabinet and SAGE may hate their own families but some of us would prefer to be able to see and touch them.
Best wishes Steph – I’ve missed your posts. Never feel sorry about being human.
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1364052783247237120
Surprise for many that Naomi Wolf, liberal ,feminist ,democratic advisor Gore/Clinton
is anti LD. But she obviously has an amazing ability to concentrate her view of the totalitarian emergency power in this 2min video interview. Worth looking
Only a surprise on here where “it’s all a left wing plot” faction mostly live .
She’s been excellent. The Guardian of course have already tried to do hit pieces on her, but through the back door of publishing bad reviews of her new book
JermWarfare
Last night’s conversation with former Wall Street banker, Catherine Austin Fitts, was out of this world.
Catherine’s credentials are remarkable. She was also the Assistant Secretary Of Housing under the first Bush administration, and oversaw hundreds of billions of dollars. You can get her full bio at her website.
She was recently interviewed in a documentary called Planet Lockdown which continues to be removed from YouTube (surprise surprise), in which she outlines the global economic situation in which we find ourselves during this fake pandemic.
Central bankers and big tech companies are pushing the world into a new model of trading designed to micromanage every aspect of our lives, from our appliances to our thoughts.
David Icke has been correct about many things over the last year.
He’s been saying this for around 30 years too.
EVERY time I watch a David Icke video it is always him rambling and he is so utterly boring. He never gets to the fucking point. As a consequence I know nothing about him.
Should I read one of his books?
Please do so. Start with “The Biggest Secret”. Keep open minded about shape shifting but he has talked about enforced vaccination for the past three decades. His free to watch weekly podcasts with his son Gareth i think are excellent but sometimes can be too pessimistic for me, at times.
The problem with icke is that he mixes a lot of truth with outright nonsense.His London calling interview at the start of the pandemic was very good though.
Am amazed he has not been “bumped off” tbh (maybe harmless as he is perceived by millions as a total crank), not difficult to get to an old man living on the Isle of Wight for the scumbags who want to silence people which they have done many times before.
Agree, suspect you’re partially correct in that he is someone who is easily dismissed as a crank, but also he has quite a high profile. There’s a lot of light on him. In a way that’s the best form of protection.
I’d start with ‘And the Truth Shall Set You Free’.
“The Trigger” is good, his most recent one.
Being from Canada I had never heard of David Icke when I was first exposed to him via Brian Rose’s London Real. Watch his very first interview last March before the lockdown and you’ll be amazed at how prescient he was. His last interview, The Answer, was also good. But for a few minutes on the lizard people thing, I found him very coherent and compelling.
Dave Cullen (Computing Forever) even more so. And has all the links to back it all up.
That’s why none of what’s happened since last March has been a surprise.
The system has been designed that way for years. This is not a surprise to anyone who has dug deeper…the system is ingrained with bad intentions carried out by gullible, bribed or compromised people. JFK knew and the rest is history:
THE PRESIDENT AND THE PRESS: ADDRESS BEFORE THE AMERICAN NEWSPAPER PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION, APRIL 27, 1961
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.
Neil Ferguson and his ilks narrow-focused inhuman and inhumane witterings are in stark contrast to the unbearably sad story of Guy de la Bedoyere’s late mother-in-law, all the sadder as we know there are many more like her; a generation used to the rough and tumble contact of family and wider life reduced to helpless bewilderment ‘for their own good’.
Appalling.
COVID Vaccine Catastrophe Ahead
Report All COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects [in the US]
To address these shortcomings and monitor the public health effects of this mass vaccination campaign, the Children’s Health Defense is calling on all who have suffered a side effect from a COVID-19 vaccine to do three things:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/23/covid-vaccine-children.aspx
In the UK report adverse reactions here
https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk
Unlike the OpenVAERS website, I haven’t yet seen a summary of UK adverse reactions, and most people will know nothing about reporting adverse reactions.
This road map is a classic British retreat. Full of caveats, conditions and provisions that mean nothing is decided and every option is on the table. All designed to give the appearance of a retreat, but in fact things stay much the same.
Much the same way as the ruling classes have given the appearance of relinquishing power over past generations, but actually retain immense power.
The way the the Empire appeared to be dismantled but the monarchy, institutions and commercial interests all stayed in place.
The way Ireland was decolonised. They could have it back, well except the bit at the top.
The road map is a good old tried and tested scam.
When Singapore “fell” in 1942 the big guns were actually pointed the wrong way and over 100,000 Commonwealth soldiers were unable to defend an oncoming force of 30,000 Japanese on bicycles. I think self sabotage is particularly British trait.
“This road map is a classic British retreat.”
I’m not so sure – at least Dunkirk saved the army.
I am well aware that not everyone here will agree with this but I am not in principle against taking the vaccine. I have some sympathy with the argument that they have been rushed out quickly and ideally I would rather wait for long-term safety data. But I’m also open to the argument that they could represent a net benefit, despite the potential for adverse events. I’m on the fence on this and could jump either way. I’ll be honest with you – it’s a tricky question for me.
But what I do profoundly object to is coercion. The government has announced a review into Covid Status Certification (vaccine passports by another name). Even if the review concludes (unlikely I feel) that they should not proceed with these (civil liberties, discrimination, practical difficulties, whatever) the mere fact of the review is an act of coercion, because it is raising the possibility that a “jab” will eventually be needed for jobs/going to the pub etc. It is an implied threat, even if the threat is not followed through with, and this itself constitutes coercion.
My position, therefore, is that I will certainly not consider receiving a vaccine until the government confirms that there will not be a domestic vaccine passport/covid status certificate. Once this guarantee is made, I will then look at the evidence and the arguments and make a decision, which will be a question of personal choice and will remain private.
(I say “domestic passport” because if New Zealand, say, insist on proof of vaccination before flying there, there is nothing that the UK government can do to prevent this. But having to show your papers in order to board the 10.15 to Euston is a different matter).
I’d wait for the nasal spray if I were you, it seems the least worst option
If it gets you that treasured vaccinated status that you desire then it’s a win
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/almost-50-brits-to-be-given-nasal-spray-covid-19-vaccine-next-month/ar-BB1bUZ9q
how does that differ from the vaccination – surely the content is the same but just the delivery mode is different???
how does that differ from the “vaccination” – surely the content is the same but just the delivery mode is different???
I think that to take the vaccine before that freedom can be guaranteed is somewhat a bit of difficult one. The big message of not consenting to coercion is only powerful via numbers. And given the risk of Covid to the vast majority of people and potential benefit of a vaccine, we have to hold the line.
Bollox you are just kidding yea.
For me your first paragraph shows you are an idiot. If someone stopped you in the street and said “hey, give me 20 quid and I’ll stick something up your bum which will allow you to live 8 months instead of 6 if you get cancer”, would you say yes please?
“For me your first paragraph shows you are an idiot”
How much did 77th Brigade pay you for that little persuasive gem?
I agree with bungle
I’m so bored at the moment that I’d be quite tempted to pay someone £20 to put something up my bum. Maybe I should post something on the dating forum?
Then Seattle is the place for you. They’re handing out drug equipment to homeless addicts which allows them to get their fix by inserting it up their bum.
Wonderful.
Not.
the fact of coercion is in and of itself for me a huge red flag that something is wrong with this ‘vaccine’ – that it is not bona fides, not what it claims to be. it is a big red alert signal of evil. it is alarm bells screaming. maybe it really is a wonderful ground-breaking new technology: but would you really force 100% of the population to trial it? 7 billion people? REALLY?
It is so sinister. It’s a proper cult. Anyone who can’t see that is in the cult – either on purpose or through brainwashing.
The most benign motive I can ascribe to this is it’s about the money, with a few people making lot of it.
Obviously, all here will agree about coercion.
But it’s not just about that. The government paper proposing amendments to the Regulation of Medicines begins with a direct lie :
“COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history”
… which, of course, it isn’t – a fact that is entirely verifiable by reference to mortality data.
That should start alarm bells ringing.
But the we have the following actions from government :
By now, the alarm bells should be deafening.
It’s gonna be like this
From the road map, see above.
Living with the virus
196) Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population, but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups…
Why couldn’t blonde mop tops dad just of stuck to wanking that goes for many of them. sorry
Hancock has to be an advert for abortion.
That would work.
Vaccine Adverse Effects May Take Years to Develop
In children, the side effects are likely to be less immediately noticeable, but may instead result in future health problems. In a Microbiology & Infectious Diseases paper, immunologist Dr. J. Bart Classen warns the mRNA jabs may instigate adverse events that take years to fully develop.
mRNA Vaccines Are Actually Gene Therapies
As detailed in “COVID-19 mRNA Shots Are Legally Not Vaccines,” these inoculations are more accurately described as gene therapies, and by referring to them as “vaccines,” the U.S. government is likely in violation of the 2011 U.S. Code Title 15, Section 1125, which regulates deceptive practices such as false descriptions in medical claims.
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a vaccine is “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.” Immunity, in turn, is defined as “Protection from an infectious disease,” meaning that “If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.”
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Not to worry, though, the Merriam-Webster dictionary recently updated its definition of “vaccine” to include mRNA technology, just in time for fact checkers to be able to “debunk” the entirely factual claim of the difference between true vaccines and mRNA technology.
Crazy enough, scientists are already discussing the potential for switching out conventional vaccines that use live or attenuated viruses with this novel RNA technology. [[Referring to long list of current vaccines – scary]]
Considering it’s a gene therapy that turns your cells into little “bioreactors” that spit out immune system activating proteins and have no off-switch, I don’t even want to imagine what might happen if a person were to receive several different ones.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/23/covid-vaccine-children.aspx
“Not to worry, though, the Merriam-Webster dictionary recently updated its definition of “vaccine” to include mRNA technology, just in time for fact checkers to be able to “debunk” the entirely factual claim of the difference between true vaccines and mRNA technology. “
Is there no limit to the sickness and cowardice of the ‘liberal’ establishment?
Will men and women of courage PLEASE FUCKING STEP FORWARD!
Looking out of the window at a clear blue, cloudless sky and three aircraft con-trails. A very long time since I last saw that.
Naturally ‘YouGov’ has polished the turd.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/articles-reports/2021/02/22/snap-poll-english-people-tend-back-pace-lockdown-l?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=feb_2021_snap_poll_lockdown_lifting
They really should be renamed ‘TheyGov – and don’t you forget it!’
Yes, but I find it encouraging that over 60% support lockdown ending as opposed to 85% who were in favour of lockdown on the 5th of Jan 2021 (also You Gov Poll)
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/05/brits-support-national-lockdown-jan-2021
I’m in a debate with someone about whether we’re all going to die this summer.
Obviously there are huge indications that we’re seeing the work of seasonal illness. Though South Africa were hit during their summer. Has anyone seen any analysis of this?
Going by last summer when Covid had all but disappeared I reckon we could be ok.I wouldn’t waste my time arguing with such a moron.Hes too far gone.
Unless the vaccinations will produce a mass cull, but hopefully not.
No South Africa was not really hit in their summer – same nonsense going on there – unnecessary testing and then scientists shared this new strain (not dangerous) with the UK and then all hell broke loose.
Just on a train to Bath and have been questioned by BTP as to the purpose of my journey.Was also questioned at the ticket office in Swindon if my journey was essential.
How about replying: if you fuckers want to keep your jobs, then yes it is essential
It doesn’t have to be essential; you just need a “reasonable excuse”. This sort of blatant misuse of the law drives me nuts.
I have a relative who works for one of the train companies. They have been told not to ask passengers the purpose of their journeys. BTP, however, can legitimately do so.
You have summed up, perfectly, exactly how I feel. Thank you. It is a relief to know I am not alone.
Anything can be duplicated
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/tech-news/.premium-anyone-can-fake-israel-s-vaccination-certificate-here-s-how-1.9537465
That’s why the end result will be embedded tattoos brought to you by Bill Gates.Another conspiracy theory that will come true
I can’t be the only one to have noticed, but it really doesn’t matter how many times it is repeated because it is so important. On the same day Piffle announced his roadmap out of covid lockdown:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000t0dh
He also announced his roadmap back in again:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56158437
I guess we can all throw away our satnavs now, tomorrows Britain only contains one road and it only leads in one direction.
I never thought that being, statistically speaking, near the end of my life would be such a bonus.
“Pass me that DNR form will you Matt?”
“Certainly Bill, it is all filled out for you, that is your signature isn’t it?”
“It doesn’t look like it”
“Never mind, dementia does that to older people you know. Here, we’ll pin it onto your coat next to your mask exempt badge.”
“By the way, you do know that being ‘mask exempt’ now applies to oxygen masks as well don’t you?”
“No, I didn’t know that.”
“Well, never mind it wont affect you at all, you haven’t had your jolly jab so you would never be admitted to a hospital anyway. Have a nice day.”
I’m actually really jealous of those of you aged 70+. You had relative freedom for most of your lives. My freedom is ending after half that time. My nieces and nephews will likely never see freedom. The best they can hope for is not to be culled by the NHS.
Well I agree we were born at a fortunate time, but don’t worry the NHS will cull me and my generation long before they get to you, why do you think they vaccinate all the wrinklies first?
Oh I am not worried about myself. For some reason I feel I have a duty to fight for the morally right thing, regardless of personal cost. Even if the people I fight for are the very same morons that got into this mess by allowing the media to stew their brains.
Yes I agree If you are entertaining the idea that this so called “Road Map” will lead back to normality. Think again! There is no intention of repealing any of the Diktats of the Coronavirus legislation No intention of returning our Human or civil rights to us.They dangle the carrot with one hand and keep the stick firmly in the other.
The government and their acolytes are fearful of the recriminations that will happen if we are ever given back our freedom. They should never be forgiven for their destruction of the social fabric of this country.
I live in hope that I may see them brought to account for their criminality.
NO DNR FOR ME!
The point I make is that the corona lockdown was just a preliminary to the main feature which is the climate lockdown. If we couldn’t fight the former which was based on clearly self-evident lies we have no hope of fighting the latter which is mired in religious fervour as well as lies.
I noticed that announcement on the radio this morning.
He’s destroyed the country, announces that we might be allowed out in a few months if we’re very good, and all be can burble about is a non-existent climate emergency.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/0223/1198734-sleep-lockdown-pandemic-social-jetlag-sleep-debt/
These academics are on a different planet. From the article:
“During the first Covid-19 lockdown in spring 2020, we undertook a study to examine how sleep patterns had changed compared to those we experienced pre-pandemic. We could view lockdowns as representing unique “natural experiments” in which to examine the impact on sleep of radical changes in work practice across large sections of society.”
There is nothing natural about lockdowns. Unsurprisingly, these fascists are based in Maynooth University – one of the chief lockdown advocates is Philip Nolan of Maynooth University and NPHET member.
No complaints about this edition. Good. But :
“Hard not to be disappointed”
I guess that depends on your expectations. And I guess that’s related to the microscopic gap under the limbo bar that is now the standard.
What a pile of unconscionable garbage is now being suffered as a penalty by an absurdly compliant population – the scientific equivalent of being told to wear a rabbit’s foot, stick a finger up your arse and whistle the Horst Wessel song into the wind.
All for a government led by a politician whose only claim to fame is narcissism and fakery.
Guy de la Bédoyère’s article about his mother-in-law rang bells – as it will have done for many. Just one of the absurdities that comes from a death cult that depends upon engendering supreme cowardice as a way of life. Hitler was 70years too early for his plan.
It’s not just the UK.
Tucker Carlson talked about this, i.e. what’s been going on across Western countries that had been thought to be free, turning them into near-police states almost overnight. People have not been compliant, and have had the police come down on them as if they were domestic terrorists.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=__XVWtQxqKY
This has not been voluntary. We’ve been coerced, bullied, brainwashed, and our fundamental right to protest taken away. We can write to our MPs and they ignore us, all but a very few.
The May elections are going to be interesting.
Would you boycott business that try to insist on vaccine passports?
(you remember those things that were the stuff of conspiracy theory nonsense..)
This is very much one of the things The Freedom Network is focussing on, KH.
There will be a hub not too far from you – give it a go ?
I emailed them over a week ago and have yet to receive a reply!
I also emailed them and didn’t receive a reply. Has it died a death?
They are very busy – there are now 180 local hubs, including some in USA, S Africa, N Zealand, and Canada.
Denis Rancourt has published a paper on the harms caused by masks:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349518677_Review_of_scientific_reports_of_harms_caused_by_face_masks_up_to_February_2021/link/60348181299bf1cc26e45fe6/download
Waste of time emailing the likes of Ferguson. He does not enter into rational debate, his kind never do. They are correct, period. Their world view is the correct one, period. They will go their graves never doubting their wisdom or right to tell others what to do. They have enough ‘friends’ to insulate themselves completely from that most horrendous of things, self doubt.
The tyranny of people like Ferguson is used by the elite, the billionaires , an increasing number of which have the same characteristics, because the areas they made their fortunes are ones where you find a lot of people with such tendancies; medicine, biotech, computer technology etc. Allied of course to those of the same disposition with ‘old money’.
HE HAS PROVIDED RATIONAL REPLIES.
1/ He is right about the model code. Poor coding practice does not mean a program cannot produce valid results.
2/ He is right that his model was not the only one to produce high death tolls. Anyone who had received a tutorial in S-I-R modelling could have cobbled together a spreadsheet version in 20 minutes which gave results in the same ball park. An initial R0 value of 2.5 leads to 60% population infected for herd immunity + a further 20% plus as the epidemic declines. Assuming whole population is susceptible and IFR = 0.9% then death toll will be ~500k, Models are tuned as more data becomes available.
3/ He is right about the Swine Flu predictions. Ferguson was asked what might happen if Swine Flu was able to transmit from human to human.
Sceptics are guilty of making poorly researched allegations and, as a result, are being shot down in flames every time.
Ferguson wasn’t wrong because of past predictions or his current model code. He was wrong – BADLY WRONG – because his model was disastrously calibrated.
SAGE, Ferguson and the decision makers were all at sea with the timing of the epidemic progression. On March 10th they thought the peak was 3 months away – when, in reality, it was nearer to 3 DAYS AWAY.
And why was it three days away? And have he and others applied the mistake of their assumptions to subsequent models or have their models continued to be predicated on the entire population being equally vulnerable to the virus and no one having any pre existing immunity.
This is only half of the story. Yes, his model (and the others) performed poorly because they were not calibrated correctly. The issue (the irrationality of his reply, if you like) is that they are still not calibrated correctly after a year’s worth of data and the demonstration of the abysmal predictive power of all of these models, with their incorrect assumptions, thus far. This is ignoring the fact that there was more evidence than not that his initial variables were incorrect back in February/March 2020, and certainly with the ‘everyone is equally susceptible’ lie, April at the latest. Yet here we are at the end of the seasonal peak with more models predicting doom in the summer justifying continued restrictions until the middle of summer at the earliest.
Yes-after a year of data! If we accept the first hypothesis which looks like it fits the data, then we deceive ourselves because there may be a dozen or more which do. We need to find the best explanation and we only manage that by testing and retesting our hypothsis. This is the first (and seemingly often forgotten) rule of scientific enquiry.
Is it possible that this was this same reason his earlier predictions with swine flu etc etc were wrong too because he used badly calibrated models for those too?
I think your points are quite convincing but I’m interested to know how and what parameters in the model and how the initial conditions would change if the model was correctly calibrated. And it seems many others make the same errors what specifically did they get wrong?
“/ He is right about the model code. Poor coding practice does not mean a program cannot produce valid results.”
Are you having an exceedingly large laugh?
Try putting a NULL into any field involved in a calculation in any flavour of SQL and see what happens.
Logically there isn’t mutual exclusivity between ugly code and a wrong result. It would be incumbent on the accuser to perhaps run the code and try and point out specific inconsistencies and Winton’s article would have been bolstered if it did. It was found last year that the imperial model was actually indeterminate see: https://dailysceptic.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/
Poor coding practice != ugly code.
More succinctly… something caused the infections to peak on 13th March it wasn’t lockdown what was it?
https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1363858321703337985
even if you wanted to take a experimental gene therapy for a fake pandemic, with the slow release , why bother, wait for the second generation poison that will come in autumn.
https://twitter.com/sonia_elijah/status/1363926061864652800
Thanks Victoria and remember, this applies to all of us. Of course you are “distressed” when you know the truth of the harms. What people here do not seem to understand is that, when someone asks you about a mask at a shop, you tell them they are harassing you and once more is a criminal offence according to the 1997 Harassment Act.
It causes more than stress.
It causes hypoxia, and potential brain damage, among a host of other negative side effects.
Are the schools willing to compensate for injuries caused by mandatory mask-wearing?
So, lockdown by Autumn or do you think they will go back to Tiers first?
Tier as they “have been shown to work”
Tiers, I would imagine. After all, the aim is to keep us on the back foot, compliant and anxious, and a straightforward lockdown would be too straightforward.
Boris did say last year, around autumn, that we wouldn’t be back to normal until September this year…..
196) Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population, but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups. The Government will ensure the country can live with the virus in the longer-term without imposing restrictions which bear heavy economic, social and health costs.
This extract from the ‘roadmap’ could have been written a year ago.
Professor Ferguson says all the right things-especially: “My views are driven by the data and analysis of it – not just that from Imperial, but from researchers globally. Like most other people working on the virus, I learn new things every week, and that sometimes involves rejecting previous beliefs” (my emphasis). But this is exactly what he does not do. Moreover, the most worrying thing is that it is not just one prof. but many, indeed a culture among scientists. As a historian I use modellers to investigate the past while Imp. and others try to explain the present and future. Their model should include a number of variables and involve running a series of scenarios-for example: exponential growth against seasonality; then prior immunity of 10% of the population, then 15% etc. The next step would be to look at experiences round the world and include climate, population density, communication routes, hospital transmission…..it will be a long list. Florida and California’s similar virus trajectory should be explained, plus the lack of spikes after southern backed beaches, Xmas, Thanksgiving and the Superbowl accounted for. If this is not being done, then what exactly are they modelling?
A clue comes from the Imperial College website: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/stories/coronavirus-modelling/ titled ‘Modelling an unprecedented pandemic-The vital role of team-based, collaborative epidemiology and disease modelling in managing pandemics.’ This looks more like a glossy university prospectus-with professional photos of nice smiling scientists, or a major grant application [which it may actually be the basis for]. This is how the page ends-
“All infectious diseases have the potential to grow exponentially for a period in this way. One person passes the pathogen to two or three others (depending on the basic Reproduction number, R0) and each of those passes it on to others, branching out in the population exponentially. The number of cases can double every five days or less (each square of the board … but the clock is ticking). Infections can seem small and manageable in the early days of an outbreak. Then quite suddenly, they’re not. That’s why it’s so important to run the maths of the infection in the early days, often projecting some alarming? worst-case scenarios, as well as interventions that might help ‘flatten the curve’ and stop the runway growth. Of course, every disease has different characteristics, and responds to different interventions differently.
We’ve had major outbreaks and pandemics in recent memory. But for a multitude of reasons, including interventions that proved effective, we haven’t seen the real explosion of cases and deaths we’ve had with coronavirus. It’s perhaps easy to forget that the exponential potential is always there. That is until we’re reminded by a virus that comes along with a perfect storm of characteristics: high infectivity, silent incubation, relatively high mortality. And crucially, no vaccine and no effective pharmacological treatments. That leaves only public health measures to defend ourselves.”
The key here is the assumption that the virus spreads exponentially-indeed, they assume nothing else. Therefore, they are bound to get the answer: “That leaves only public health measures to defend ourselves.” There is no room for anything else. Their ‘model’ is a one-trick pony. The same monomania rules the Flaxman et al. paper which claimed lockdown saved 3 million European lives. This was rightly panned for circular reasoning and creating an artefact (a mirage) because the model could only provide one answer. The Imperial, Warwick and other teams are literally going round and round in circles-and the whole country with them.
The key here is the assumption that the virus spreads exponentially-indeed, they assume nothing else
No. They assume exactly what any epidemiologists assumes, i.e. there is an initial exponential increase but the power of the exponential is a function of the proportion of the susceptible population (i.e. it is not constant).
I cannot see that they factor in anything else. The modellers act all the time as if the virus is like an airbag which we stand on to keep it suppressed but if we take our foot off it will spring up. They surely also assume that 100% of the population is succeptible. They should be running scenarios to check this.
They surely also assume that 100% of the population is succeptible
Yes – They do until they get reliable estimates which indicate otherwise.
Given that SARS CoV 2 is a member of the coronavirus family, four other common cold coronaviruses endemic for many, many years, that wasn’t a smart assumption to make:
‘Results
The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 serological cross-reactivity was significantly higher in samples from SSA compared with the USA. Most of these cross-reactive samples cross-recognized the SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid protein and the spike proteins of other HCoVs. Nucleocapsid proteins from HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-229E were detected in most samples, thereby implicating prior exposure to these two HCoVs as the likely source of cross-reactive antibodies against SARS-CoV-2.
Conclusion
The low incidences of SARS-CoV-2 infection and disease in SSA appear to be correlated with the pre-pandemic serological cross-recognition of HCoVs, which are substantially more prevalent in SSA than the USA.’
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32310-9/fulltext
And these are smart people, aren’t they?
I will see your paper and raise you one in Cell – past coronavirus infection does not confer protection from either hospitalization or death. Pre-existing immunity from SARS-CoV-1 is, however, possible, just not the other endemic coronaviruses. This was not a correlation study, it was a cohort study who were followed for outcome.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00160-4
I am afraid the pre-existing immunity train has left the station. There isn’t any from other HCoVs.
You haven’t even bothered to read my reference:
‘To investigate this hypothesis, we examined pre-COVID-19 pandemic plasma samples from Tanzania, Zambia, and the USA to determine their serological cross-reactivity against the spike and nucleocapsid proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and other HCoVs (SARS, MERS, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU-1, HCoV-NL63, and HCoV-229E), as well as whether HIV-1 infection, which is endemic in SSA, might affect the prevalence of serological cross-reactive against SARS-CoV-2. We found that pre-COVID-19 pandemic SSA samples had a significantly higher prevalence of serological cross-reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 than samples from the USA. In addition, the SARS-CoV-2 cross-reactive plasma samples strongly recognized the spike and nucleocapsid proteins from specific human seasonal coronaviruses, thereby suggesting that prior exposure to these other coronaviruses may have induced partially protective responses against SAR-CoV-2.’
Reference above
So cross reactivity appears not to be consistent across regions
Do you even know what region your reference samples came from?
I did – where did they measure outcome? This is just another example of a poor presumed translation of an in vitro finding that fails to predict in vivo. SARS and perhaps MERS, will provide some immunity from infection, disease and death. The other four do not. Sadly THAT is the science. Inconvenient perhaps. but it is the science.
There are no prospective studies, but the Anderson paper is currently as good as it gets.
You haven’t even read your own reference.
Read it and get back to me re which region/continent its samples came from. Then I might consider answering any questions that you may have.
On second thoughts, don’t bother because you, very much like Prof Ferguson, haven’t even considered T Cell immunity in your response.
In short, you are completely at sea.
Good night.
And the pre-existing immunity train is still sitting, resplendent, next to the Wagons-Lit waiting room for we sceptics to finish our canapes, well sluiced…….
‘Evidence characterising cellular immune responses suggest enduring T cell immunity, with phenotypic profiles consistent with helper and memory T cell functions and evidence of activity against multiple viral targets. Variation in viral targets is observed between disease severity and based on one study, the breadth and magnitude of the T cell response were significantly higher in patients who recovered from severe compared to mild disease. Responses were also detected in individuals who experienced mild infection.’
T cell response to SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans: A systematic review
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0245532
They had these reliable numbers not estimates since about March last year. They ignored the real data even although it was bend out of shape so badly it was almost useless and still went with the mental predictions.
But they assume such a ridiculously small percentage of the population have encountered the virus or have pre-existing immunity, and so it is very close to exponential growth for a lengthy period.
See the attached graph, which shows that growth in ‘infections’ reduced rapidly from the end of February (approximately at least 21 days before the peak growth rate in deaths given the time before infection and death).
Given they don’t believe in seasonality, the reduction in ‘infection’ growth can only by their logic be by immunity or non pharmaceutical interventions. But in February there were very few NPIs. Hence it has to be immunity.
Hence incorporating data analysis shows their model to be wrong and they should have abandonded their model and come up with an at least vaguely realistic model, but they persist with their model which is an embarrassment to science.
The slowing in growth rate of infections from February was clearly due to a mix of seasonality and immunity in reality, but that’s another matter.
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10 WAYS FACE MASKS CAN HARM SCHOOLCHILDREN
https://twitter.com/jblovatt/status/1363917697298399240
Thanks, Victoria. I’ll pass that on.
Another link that someone posted here a couple of days ago has some stats worth noting:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/unmasking_the_medical_experts.html
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1363933217531830272
A good demo – the ineffectiveness of muzzles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRFtVsL9dzE
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1363921257423659013
On 8 Jan 2021
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1347479440729763841
This is one of the graphics showing a ‘superspreader’ from the Imperial College website. It is well worth looking at because it is a piece of work.
it’s also sexist – only men are spreaders? Where do I report this hate crime?
and the non-binary midgets of colour
all must be represented for the good of diversity
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1364107991889362946
From Ivor Cummins, very alarming, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzVnjgMBDVQ&t=544s
This illustrates how dumb and pathetic the police have become. The level of stupidity beggars belief. This is a logical outworking of trying to define and justify ‘hate crime’. Look at the picture. Look at these idiots, standing there double proud in front of an incoherent banner. These morons have become a parody of themselves.
To point out the obvious, I find the poster offensive. The level of stupidity and lack of concern for/underatanding of the law causes me to resent throwing my hard-earned money at this moronic and out-of-touch institution. Who do I speak to?
I find masks offensive, they should arrest themselves.
Your ‘police and crime commissioner’. Best of luck.
Section 4A of the Public order Act 1986 specifies the following offence:
Intentional harassment, alarm or distress.(1)
A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—
(a)
uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b)
displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,
thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
It is left as an exercise to the reader to prove that (b) applies, the prize is a private prosecution.
I’m wondering if they’ve solved all the crimes in Merseyside if they have time to do this.
Superman, Batman and Spiderman will be beating a path to them to ask how they managed to achieve zero crime.
Face nappy fascists.
Left Lockdown Sceptics is a small operation but they produce some good stuff. Here’s their latest on the appalling John Edmunds:
https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/covid-superstars-4-%E2%80%93-professor-john-edmunds-obe
“Edmunds has transformed himself into a covid ghoul to rival even the likes of Gabriel Scally. Scally at least has the lone redeeming feature of being consistent. He’s been consistently loathsome from the start. Edmunds caps this by adding crass hypocrisy to his odious supine devotion to the lockdown cult.”
An excellent takedown! This guy is worse than Feguturd.
LLS do stirling work
It`s this kind of shyte that one day soon will be mandatory on our “smart phones” to participate fully in any kind of life, or within the prison grid to be more truthful ..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55907643
Got rid of my smart phone, replaced it with a technophobes flip phone which spends most of the time off.
Wise move. My old Nokia’s a thing of wonder to my daughters and their friends. One of them asked me how I took the photographs he’d seen in my daughters’ inboxes. I explained that I used a camera. He looked astounded.
“Is it worth tracking your carbon footprint?”
I’m making it my mission to put as much carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere as I can. It helps the plants grow.
We will eventually have our own leper colony and tbh I would rather hang out there than with the collaborators
Daily and monthly care home deaths from the 10th of April 2020 until the 19th of February 2021.
Note that after 19 days February 2021 now has the highest monthly deaths (also note that the data for April started on the 10th of April, which is 21 days, so with 2 more days of data we’ll be able to make a direct comparison).
Vaccine introduced on the 8th of December 2020.
Most deaths: 941 on the 25th of January 2021.
Most deaths prior to release of the vaccine: 715 on the 27th of April 2020.
Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/numberofdeathsincarehomesnotifiedtothecarequalitycommissionengland
Thanks for this. How does this pattern compare to previous years?
They’ve never tracked them before as far as I can tell.
Winter death sudden increase nothing to do with the vaccine rollout….
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Ooh look, here’s another lockdown fanatic who mysteriously was all over the internet in the early stages.
A section was given over to a discussion between Edmunds and one Tomas Pueyo from California. Subsequent attention has been on the content of Edmunds’ contribution, but little on who exactly Pueyo was.
A true altruist no doubt only concerned about saving lives. On the Stanford Graduate School of Business website there is a bit more in depth about Pueyo [3]:
“On March 10, Pueyo, a 2010 graduate of Stanford GSB with a diploma in public management and specialization in behavioural psychology, published a data-driven article on Medium titled CORONOVIRUS:WHY WE MUST ACT NOW”
It’s a 26 min read but, within the space of nine days, the post had been viewed 30 million times!
It turns out that Pueyo is the vice president for growth of a company called Course Hero [8], an on-line learning platform for students and tutors that costs (as low as) $9.95 a month for instant access. The company has a capital value of $1 billion. Call me cynical, but wouldn’t a lockdown, and particularly one that closed schools, colleges and universities, present Course Hero with a massive marketing opportunity?
https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/covid-superstars-4-%E2%80%93-professor-john-edmunds-obe
Follow the money.
The logic of the headmaster on Talk … don’t send a child to school after 8/3 and the parents will be fined (after 12 months of gone schooling?!). Send a child who refuses to wear a mask to school, and they’ll be sent home! Brilliant!!!
He burbled on about masks as being guided by health and safety regulations. Mandatory masks for under-18s “when they can’t socially distance” i.e. in classrooms as well as corridors, for hours at a time, is neither healthy or safe.
Whoever is sending these emails to Neil Ferguson should stop. They are not helping the lockdown cause. Ferguson is dealing with the accusations easily because he happens to be right. Basically the accuser(s) have failed to research the facts properly. It’s embarrassing.
Ferguson and SAGE, in particular, are very much at fault but Lockdown Sceptics are completely failing to recognise what those faults are.
CLUE: It’s nothing to do with model code. I cobbled together a model in 20 minutes which gives similar results to Ferguson. Nic Lewis has also done the same. Nic’s issue was with the initial assumptions (e.g. homogeneity including prior immunity) but, to be fair, to Ferguson there weren’t any reliable estimates in March (there still aren’t). Remember models are tuned as more data becomes available.
The “experts” are being let off the hook because sceptics keep swinging and missing. Yeadon’s left the stage because his herd immunity in spring claptrap has bit the dust and we appear to be left with either false or irrelevant claims about Ferguson’s past predictions.
To discover the real failings you need to refer to SAGE minutes – in the context of the modelling.
Yeadon hasn’t left the stage so much as he’s been pushed off and silenced.
Do we know for sure that all the deaths over winter weren’t because of other respiratory infections, other causes, i.e. normal winter mortality, or because of the vaccine itself?
Or because of the devestating consequences of lockdown coming to a head in the winter.
Given that flu supposedly miraculously disappeared this Winter it’s pretty obvious what may have contributed to many deaths just like it does every Winter. Then since the vaccine was rolled out (from 8th December?) on the frail and elderly I think care home deaths went up by 81% (according to UK Column stats) within the first month of rollout.
That would be the model that didn’t factor in T cell immunity, pre existing immunity from other Coronaviruses or seasonality – and still doesn’t.
Must try harder Private Mayo.
He made the same mistake with Foot and Mouth when they advised to cull loads more animals in adjacent farms. I think he has spent the next decades trying ot prove that HE WAS RIGHT rather than accepting that he was wrong.
Notice he didn’t mention BSE/vCJD in his response this morning. That was even worse than FMD. The liberal left loved both crises though because it served to confirm their anti farmer bias.
So he was wrong about foot and mouth? What about it?
Foot and Mouth was the start. He methodolgy is wrong and has continued to be wrong. CJD deaths was wrong. You could argue he predicted between 50 to 50,000 and 177 died so he was correct. No, his range is absurdly large (3 orders of magnitude) which means he trying to justify vagueries. If he had said 500 +/- 100 or even 1000 +/- 200 and been a little high then okay. But 50,000 was used to promote certain measures at the time.
Same with the 510,000 for the Reasonable Worst Case. That isn’t a reasonable case. It’s the extreme end of an uncertainty band that requires you to look at your assumptions and data quality.
Real life and other country’s experience and death figures (even with these being exagerrated) has shown that he is wrong too. Real life provided the control and he is wrong.
Does he change his mind? No he doubles down.
But there’s a wider problem. He tries to model with vagueries and thinks large uncertainty ranges are fine. They aren’t. There are limits to what you can model and it’s best with tight control over your inputs.
I’ve modelled flight systems and plasmas over the years professionally. Also comms systems. Good reliable data is key for any fidelity with the real world.
The small matter of ten million healthy animals slaughtered. Suicides running into three figures. PTSD etc etc. And then we have BSE/vCJD…
Get your arse up to the northern areas of the country and say that. It is comments like that which show you have no idea of the damage caused by Ferguson being so very wrong about foot and mouth. Not only were millions of healthy animal culled, lives were ruined, suicides increased and areas were blighted for years, many of which still are.
I remeber the huge piles of dead cows and sheep and saw other similar huge piles of corpses being burned.
Thousands of bodies in huge piles. The smell it is one I will never forget either, you could smell the pyres for miles away weeks after the burnings.
That what was wrong with Ferguson’s model. The damage his bullshit caused then was incredible. It destroyed thousands of farmers lives and decimated genetic liniages in farm animals that had been around for hundreds of years to be replaced with Fresian or Caerrolay clone cows.
Anybody who had any degree of humility would have given up and re-trained. Not that smarmy sack of plop that is Ferguson, he just arrogantly fronts it out, year after year. Bastard.
I see it as being defensible that a model might be wrong in the first instance. Inaccuracy can always be explained away by ‘this was with the best input we had at the time, and others agreed with us’ and seems to be the core of Fergusons argument once you pull away the rebuttals and a ‘You can’t handle the truth’ attitude. In a fast evolving situation it’s sometimes necessary to make quick decisions even though they might not be right. However, replies to unsolicited mail aren’t ever going to elude concessions to the fallibility of this approach or to much else for that matter.
So tell us what the factor is for T cell immunity etc
should be used?
So because you don’t know, you exclude it? If you adopted that approach towards everything, there would be no model as everything would be excluded and we wouldn’t have had this bullshit.
Not zero. Next
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00160-4
Sorry to burst that bubble
Okay you are wrong on a number of levels.
1) Cobbling together a basic model based on an estimation of IFR is completely dependent on the quality of the data you use to say “this is a Covid case”
2) The definition of Covid is vague, the symptoms list is long and procedural measures put in place do not reduce uncertainty, either by using PCR or recording deaths. Measurement is procedural as much as instrumental.
3) Yeadon was not wrong. We had a winter bump like we always do. What is interesting are the phenomological processes that produced the spikes. Mortality is not exceptional
4) The code DOES count because successive iterations reinforce the group think. This is prevalent in all modelling fields and is something you are warned about.
Unless you have high quality input data you produce shit. And then you believe that shit because you pump it through your model.
You cannot short cut good data.
When you don’t have it you revert to broader strokes. Additionally no one has countered why 73,000 excess deaths in one month (Jan 2018) was fine but less than 50,000 was a travesty?
The only reason is because you believe your models which are based on VAGUE DATA.
I’ve told you this time and time again but you don’t seem to get it.
The minute you are faced with a situation where the data is wrong and directly affected your life you’d be up in arms. That is the standard you use.
You’ve really missed the point.
1/ No idea what this means. In a model we use infection X with an IFR of Y%. The parameters are estimated from known data – WHICH MAY BE REVISED LATER.
2/ As far as the model is concerned the specifics of the disease are not relevant. They are provided by the scientists.
3/ Yeadon WAS wrong because we wouldn’t have any bump if we were immune to the infection. After a peak in spring we should have had no excess mortality in winter.
4/ The code is irrelevant.. Why does my ‘model’ which is completely different give similar results. Why did Nic Lewis get similar results.
Unless you have high quality input data you produce shit. And then you believe that shit because you pump it through your model.
I produced a model l without data – only assumptions. If you assume an average rate of transmission among a population (and an estimate of IFR). If my model is not matching the data then I look at how the model could be improved (tuned).
Additionally no one has countered why 73,000 excess deaths in one month (Jan 2018) was fine but less than 50,000 was a travesty?
We have more than 50k excess deaths – a lot more. It’s unusual to get a large excess in spring and another large excess in January. But this has nothing to do with my original comment.
The only reason is because you believe your models which are based on VAGUE DATA.
You don’t really know what you’re on about. We understand the limitations of models. We know they are run using assumptions and that those assumptions may change over time.
You produced a model based on an IFR estimation that was based on vague data.
Everything you have said is predicated on the fact that the data was sufficent to be used in a hypothesis.
And it wasn’t. You haven’t done the quality control on the basic inputs. I’m not talking about the model assumptions. I’m talking about the process of investigating where you assumptions come from. What data has been used and if it is sufficient.
The 73,000 deaths is used as metric for inaction. The only reason you would think of taking action is if you can reasonably show that you will get more than this by significant margin. But you can only get that if you assume your input data is valid with low enough uncertainty.
You just do not get the concepts of any of the scientific method as it applies to reality and not theory.
You cannot justify your data because it has failed the first step in validation: has this been obtained with sufficent specificity and low enough uncertainty.
Oh and Yeadon was not wrong. You will always get a winter bump. Others here have posted as such with nice graphs for mortality. The question is what is causing the othe spikes at a systematic level.
Zero pre existing immunity was a wild assumption to make. Its like everything erred on the side, not of caution, but of total fear.
In one of hs responses regarding Swine Flu he says that it might still happen that 200m die. What kind of defence is that? So his model can pump out numbers
Great. Now what.
Yes I think the main problem with the RWC is GIGO and then all the other scenarios suffer in the same way from GIGO
I disagree he’s dealing with them easily though – points other than the code were raised and his answers to those were weak
I also think that while estimates of things like prior immunity may not be “reliable”, ignoring it is worse than trying to account for it, perhaps with a range, based on real world data – a modeller more interested in truth than proving himself right would surely have given this a go
But equally if dummies like me are able to ask these questions, Hancock, the PM, Whitty and Vallance ought to, too
… and if dummies like me can make more accurate predictions than a computerised model, then there’s a way to go in the field before the models should be let out to play.
Have you mad a prediction? On what was it based?
I disagree he’s dealing with them easily though – points other than the code were raised and his answers to those were weak
Such as?
“Yeadon’s left the stage because his herd immunity in spring claptrap has bit the dust “
Really? Only if you have a very naive view of what it entails, and how quarantine for the healthy can inhibit it.
… and wherever your contrasting fellow-feeling for Ferguson comes from, he should have been handed his P45 way back.
Mathematical modelling needs to be put back in its playroom box until it has developed a more credible relationship with reality.
Really? Only if you have a very naive view of what it entails, and how quarantine for the healthy can inhibit it.
Right – so we didn’t have herd immunity.
Ok then, subject to seasonality and NPIs yet, when the NPIs were lifted , we saw no rise in cases so it was seasonality. Now we are back to NPIs and seasonality so when the NPIs, which no one is observing, are lifted we will see whether we have reached endemic equilibrium in the autumn/ winter as well as in the spring/ summer.
There were reliable estimates for pre existing immunity in March. The Diamond Princess provided ample data which Ferguson chose to ignore. Yeadon has been forced from the stage because he has been smeared and vilified. And his suggestion that we reached endemic equilibrium, subject to seasonality, in the spring, has not been proven to be wrong, as we have witnessed since cases peaked between Christmas and new year and lockdown has had nothing to do with it.
There were reliable estimates for pre existing immunity in March.
This is a silly assumption based on a belief that the infection had run it’s course, It hadn’t. It was interrupted after 10 days. In that time over 700 people had been infected. This was a from a single index 0 patient which suggests that the infection spread was at a relatively early stage.
And his suggestion that we reached endemic equilibrium, subject to seasonality, in the spring, has not been proven to be wrong, as we have witnessed since cases peaked between Christmas and new year
We had either achieved herd immunity or we hadn’t. If we had then seasonality would be a minor factor. I agree seasonality interrupted the infection but there was still a large proportion of the population who were still vulnerable.
I’ll keep saying to you: how did they determine that the infection was SARS-CoV-2 and that it was Covid-19? The attribution criteria are vague. Where was the elimination of other conditions? Where were the confimatory autopsies?
Where was the quality control in the measurement?
There wasn’t any.
This is obvious is you choose to look. And it completely undercuts any modelling as the premise is shot. The bar for a crisis has to be more than 73,000 deaths in one month. Otherwise you just have nice exercise in looking at a small issue.
And yet none of those vulnerable people were infected in pubs, at the beach, at BLM protests etc, etc. Because subject to seasonality endemic equilibrium had been reached.
We know that respiratory viruses do not transmit as readily during the summer.
That does not mean we have population immunity to the virus.
So what caused the infections to peak a week ahead of lockdown in March and the R to start decelerating even sooner? Magic?
People had sars 2 in Europe in December. Nobody is now denying that. So Your argument about interrupting it after 10 days is very fatally flawed.
No idea what your point is.
The most reliable estimate for pre existing immunity is that there is none. Sorry. #yeadonWrongAgain. I pointed out at the time that he was assuming things to be true that were only hypotheses. Sadly the data is now in, and there is no immunity from past colds and infections by HCoVs – except the previous SARS-CoV1. Not exactly a common infection in the UK.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00160-4
Did you include or exclude internal flights in your model?
You can include what you want. Ferguson’s ‘business as usual’ scenario meant just that.
“Business as usual” would include internal flights.
Prof Pantsdown excluded them because it made the simulation run too slowly.
Apologies. I neve read your first comment properly.
No – for me not needed. If transmission is allowed then international travel just changes the seed and starting point. Once virus is established domestic transmission becomes the main driver.
Infection peaks will be similar in magnitude.
there weren’t any reliable estimates in March (there still aren’t).
So what is the point in modelling. If we don’t have good estimates to go on why keep modelling?
Did you not read the comment.
If you start off with a worst case scenario then tune the model as more data becomes available.
We can’t estimate heterogeneity factors partly because the model was not temporally aligned with reality correctly. The initial peak was estimated to be in June. THAT’S THE KEY REASON FOR THE COCK-UP.
You can’t model with vague data Mayo. It fails the first validation step. Do you know what that is?
If you then make assumptions it dilutes the exercise so that it often becomes noise and no different than not modelling.
I will ask again, Why was it estimated to be in June? And are the same assumptions that estimated the peak to be in June still serving as the data for the models? Given the latest predictions, it looks like they are still not factoring pre existing immunity or seasonality into their modelling.
I imagine if you made this point to Ferguson he would claim that the peak would have been in June were it not for lockdown. How would you convince he was wrong?
And yet infections peaked, for some reason, at least a week before lockdown started and the R rate had been decelerating since the end of February..
Indeed. Do you think that they could still put this down to noise in the data?
It’s a fascinating discussion as this is really key to the lockdown debate because at the moment the main players seem still to be convinced that lockdowns are incredibly effective in reducing the R rate largely because of what happened between February and June.
The bit I don’t get about Mayo’s comments is that at the time the June peak was a prediction of the model not an input to the model. It seems circular logic to try to use this to calibrate the model so I can’t imagine Ferguson did this. This prediction didn’t come to pass but was this due to incorrect calibration? not including seasonality? Or was it lockdown as Ferguson would no doubt claim?
And in my view Lockdown Sceptics criticisms do cover calibration of the model. It seems to me the main ones are: is the R0/R value (and related internal parameters) correct? And what was the level of pre-existing immunity? There is a bit of a scattergun of arguments in the emails to Ferguson and he is batting away the comments he can address but avoiding the key problems which were also raised in the emails.
The bit I don’t get about Mayo’s comments is that at the time the June peak was a prediction of the model not an input to the model.
They were using available data (I assume) to tie that into the model. Up until about March 10th they though they were in control. Remember they were testing and contact tracing and finding links to international travel. Vallance was talking about introducing interventions at the right time – not too early.
The sudden realisation that they had a lot more cases than they realised was a shock.
No he couldn’t.
That’s my f***ing point. He would be bang to rights on this.
Can you repeat Red Lorry Yellow Lorry over and over again for me please.
You said this below:
““/ He is right about the model code. Poor coding practice does not mean a program cannot produce valid results.””
This is so laughably wrong that its safe to ignore anything else you have to say.
And I say this as someone who has had to fix code produced by Imperial academics for clinical projects.
When poor coding practice has made cars crash and planes fall from the sky it just shows you what mentality you are up against.
Do give it a rest. Bugs cause programs to fail or produce incorrect results.
That is not the case here.
Academic, in particular, write programs that look like rat’s nests but they do work.
It’s a lot easier to fix bugs in programs that are well written but a poorly coded program doesn’t necessarily produce wrong results.
Ferguson’s results agree with plenty of others.
Any communications with any of the “experts” that Government are listening to is worth it especially if you get an answer of any description off them.
Ferguson’s answers boil down to “because me and my mates said so and we’re better than you so there”.
I’ve sent “them” (including Ferguson) correspondence asking pointed questions and not received one answer so well done getting this lot out of him in recent days.
The main fault with SAGE is that the majority of people who comprise the committee are so far removed from normal life as they have a reasonably priveleged background and have gone to school, college, university, teaching and research that they have absolutely no fucking idea what the real world is like for the 99%.
They are theoretical pie in the sky navel gazers.
Aren’t we forgetting when talking about the second wave and Yeadon that what we saw in the winter was maybe a consequence of lockdown? As was predicted even by SAGE last spring by kicking the can down the road we were deferring a lot of infections. In fact we did such a grand job, we pushed many cases back to the worst time of the year for respiratory infections: winter.
Obviously now the vast majority of the population believes we have had a huge second wave and Ferguson is able to shelter behind this but to me it appears not so much a second wave, but the artificially inflated tail of the original wave. Add to this that lockdowns seem a likely cause of more infectious mutations.
Ferguson – perhaps with good intentions? – has been responsible for the climate of fear driven lockdowns which directly contributed to the “second wave” he now uses to prove his predictions were right!
Aren’t we forgetting when talking about the second wave and Yeadon that what we saw in the winter was maybe a consequence of lockdown?
I’m not -are you? That doesn’t validate Yeadon’s argument that the pandemic was over. If we had achieved herd immunity any “second wave” would have been insignificant.
We didn’t have a second wave
What’s that red blob at the end? and it ‘s bigger in January.
Covid deaths! Yes due to the vaccine no doubt and lack of health care for the toerh 68 million population. I’m assuming access to health care does prevent death, so take that access away. 17/18 look worse than 2020 winter.
It’s nothing to do with the code, because it works. Big deal. His code has consequences, yours does not.
Code that works and code that is accurate are two different things. And to be fair to Ferguson, if he hadn’t any real estimates to go on, he shouldn’t have been given such a say. That was a political decision. We should have relied on our previous preparations instead of going all out on the new China model.
He’s retreated to his ivory tower with his responses. If he wants to play politics again, he needs to own the consequences of his recommendations.
Very nicely put. It’s the recogintion to put the hammer away when you see a screw.
yes, the evidence that we should throw out our pandemic response plan and go with ‘never before tried lockdown’ was flimsy at best
Steve I agree with you. But the model wasn’t the issue. The timing of the disease progression was.
Initially the model had several scenarios. SAGE thought they had plenty of time (peak in June) – then Panic. Way more cases & hospitalisations than expected.
Code that works and code that is accurate are two different things.
The accuracy of results is dependent on initial assumptions. Why doe you not get this? Models are tuned as more data becomes available.
Ferguson’s model produced several projections based on different scenarios – yet everyone focuses on the extreme BAU scenario. ##
Looking at all the mis-attributed deaths since September I would say Mike Yeardons herd immunity was stop on. Now tell your commander general to *****
Don’t be ridiculous. I know no-one who had Covid in spring but have several close relatives and acquaintances who were very ill with Covid symptoms between November and January. Yeadon’s claims were ridiculous.
Or was it flu
No.
How do you know? PCR tests will pick up almost anything at 40-45 cycles.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qqTTIKTbpcg
Tucker Carlson: the sudden change of the Anglosphere nations, and European countries, into authoritarian police states. Includes Canada and UK.
Spot on! But did that stop you going on the evening news every other week to hold forth on what ought to be done?
To be fair to Ferguson he is by no means the worst for this, but far, far too often these scientists want to have it both ways. They effectively want to dictate policy without getting the all-round fundamentally political scrutiny that comes with that (or ought to). And the politicians are as much to blame for the monster they’ve created, by stating early on that they were going to be “led by the science”.
A back of the fag packet calculation of risk for 5 minutes has proved better than the shit he has produced. The same goes for the rest of SAGE (Sage and Onion more like).
Basic risk: Did you really think 500,000 were going to die because of a respiratory disease with an IFR of 1%? You think you may want to confirm that before hitting the panic button. An IRF of 1% for a more or less the whole population and not like a group of vunerable people?
The Diamond Princess didn’t have these issues.
Ferguson’s figure became the narrative for the last year. So he is directly responsible and should be fired.
Fired? He should be hung, drawn and quartered in public!!
When he’s spot on it’s about something he is not providing information which governs our lives on. When he’s wrong is when he is.
Leaked image of actual model used for Bunter’s roadmap:
I’m going to hazard a guess but when a FOI answers ays this phrase “XXX can confirm that it does not hold the information in the way suggested in your request.” what it really means is that they do have the information, I’ve just a seed for it in the wrong way with the wrong wording or phrasing.
Any other suggestions?
Please send me the requested information in the way you do hold it?
They’re taking the piss in the same way Stella Rimington did when she described Roger Windsor as “Never an agent in any sense of the word that you can possibly imagine.” Sir Humphrey’s chums like their little in-jokes.
My take on yesterday’s announcement is this: they’re promising, in their calculation, as little as possible in order to head off the threat of mass non-compliance. For my part, the timing of the easing of restrictions is by far of secondary importance in comparison to what’s going to be left when all this is “over”: vaccination certification and discrimination, mass testing, and mass surveillance (track ‘n trace) indefinitely. They’re barely even hiding it any more.
Yes exactly right, it is what is left afterwards and there should be more focus from TY and those writing ATL on this, rather than trite headlines about when we can go to the pub
I completely agree. If I knew with 100% certainty that I was going to get my 2019 freedoms back, in full, then I wouldn’t much care if it was in March, July or even December.* But I just don’t see it happening ever.
* If I ran a business that had been assaulted by all this totalitarianism then I would feel differently, of course.
Yes, resistance needs to redouble now.
Try who’s going to be left, and you will be closer.
Already making plans to claim my refugee status
just need a bit of brownface and a dinghy
Sweden and Florida. The elephant’s in the room. Case closed.
Also Armenia, Belarus, Tanzania. Plenty more examples.
I think given they are Westernised and considered reliable they are always the two I select when discussing with normies.
Off topic but seems Trump has posted a public statement about the campaign against him – posted below.
Why put it out now though?
And I received these 3 links from an American friend:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/huge-cnn-npr-reporter-jade-sacker-embedded-antifa-leader-john-sullivan-siege-us-capitol-cheered-inciting-riot-video/
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/chat-logs-rally-plot-trump/
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/02/08/proof-that-the-us-november-election-was-stolen-exists-in-abundance/
Paul Craig Roberts is always worth reading.
made my day too, so true . can we add gates to the list too please .
Masks on Kids
I am sure this has been raised before but the wearing of facemasks by children in classrooms is surely governed by the HSE limits on carbon dioxide exposure. The current limits for long durations (8 hours) is 5000ppm. There is a calculation for durations less than this on the HSE website. But here is the link…
https://www.hse.gov.uk/carboncapture/carbondioxide.htm
Further to this, a study performed in October 2020 shows the levels of CO2 whilst wearing various types of mask whilst sitting at a desk, walking slowly, and walking quickly. All valid for a classroom environment I think! It also shows that any levels above 1000ppm cause headaches, fatigue etc etc. See the link below….
https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-20-07-covid-0403.pdf
Perhaps someone much cleverer than me could work out how much ppm a pupil would be inhaling over the course of a school day.
Maybe using the HSE argument is a way through this???
That could be a way but I don’t know much about H&S law. Someone needs reminding of this too:
Boris Johnson (August 2020)
Thanks RP
Great to hear James Delingpole just now on London calling being so strident on the issue. PCR Claims are also getting their act together finally.
My wife is currently on furlough from one of her jobs which is in a beauty clinic. In the Autumn she had to wear a mask for long periods of time when treating clients (only able to take it off in the lunch area or in the reception if no customers are there). She has repeatedly complained of migraines and feeling confused/brain fog.
I’m no doctor but from what she describes it’s pretty obvious that wearing it for hours at a time is bringing on mild symptoms of Hypoxia.
Needless to say, I won’t be consenting for our son (Y8) nor for testing either.
Kindest regards
Simon
Most UK schools are riddled with asbestos (easily displaced by pinning stuff to the wall). This is well known in govt and local yet they do nothing. They couldn’t give a shit. A couple of hundred teachers have died from mesothelioma in the past decade. Hospitals too. There have many law suits recently from doctors re mesothelioma. Tower blocks are clad with killer shit. Just saying, they don’t give a flying fuck about any of it.
I remember our School being closed for almost a year whilst asbestos was removed in the 80’s. All Classes were in portacabins on the playground. I remember for about a week it was so cold we were sitting in these things with frost comming out of our mouths, hats gloves, the lot. Nobody learnt anything during that time.
They were teaching with the windows wide open before lockdown (lostcount), Child abuse comes to mind. The psychopaths in charge don’t care as we’ll be dead in a few years time.
Though this was a reasonable analogy:
like that analogy
Who is stopping them selling such houses?
“16Education. 2020;20:100138. doi:10.1016/j.tine.2020.100138
—-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7417296/
Still later, two studies pointed out the likelihood that babies are significantly harmed by general masking practices. Especially, the 22 September 2020 study of Green et al. alerted us to “potential negative effects of masks on long-term development related to human connection and attachment”: →
“Abstract: … COVID-19 has changed the way that newborn babies are cared for within the neonatal setting due to the introduction of social distancing and wearing of face masks to limit the spread of the infection. Potential implications exist related to the normal development of bonding and connections with others. This paper discusses the importance of face to face interactions for early attachment between babies and parents within the context of relevant underpinning developmental theory. …
”[26] 2021–Green : Green, Janet et al. “The implications of face masks for babies and families during the COVID-19 pandemic: A discussion paper”. Journal of neonatal nursing: JNN vol. 27,1 (2021): 21-25. doi:10.1016/j.jnn.2020.10.005 -https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7598570/Likewise, on 11 February 2021, Lewkowicz pointed out the following about language acquisition by babies:→
“…the COVID pandemic has laid bare our fundamental need to see whole faces. Could it be that babies and young children, who must learn the meaning of the myriad communicative signals normally available in their social partners’ faces, are especially vulnerable to their degradation in partially visible faces? … in my lab … We discovered that babies begin lip-reading at around 8 months of age. … Crucially, once lip-reading emerges in infancy, it becomes the default mode of speech processing whenever comprehension is difficult.
…Overall, the research to date demonstrates that the visible articulations that babies normally see when others are talking play a key role in their acquisition of communication skills. Research also shows that babies who lip-read more have better language skills when they’re older. If so, this suggests that masks probably hinder babies’ acquisition of speech and language.”[27]
2021–Lewkowicz : “Masks Can Be Detrimental to Babies’ Speech and Language Development”. David J. Lewkowic. Scientific American. Cogntion, Opinion. 11 February 2021. –
As quoted by Rancourt in:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349518677_Review_of_scientific_reports_of_harms_caused_by_face_masks_up_to_February_2021
You can cover them in a mountain of research, they don’t care!
It’s all evidence for their trial.
Bozo, Wankok and a lot of the other criminals have young children of their own. What do they see when they looks in a child’s eyes these days?
I am always wondering about babies in strict muslim countries. Yes, the mothers are likely to spend a lot of time at home, where she is not veiled, but likely in a setting where it is stressful.
I am reminded of this a lot when seeing charity appeals on tv.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NicolaMedical/status/1359810775179808770
They are coming for you. Masks rescued all sorts of illness and are here to stay.
Update from Gary Dempsey
He’s opening his gym regardless of the new rules in Ireland. He’s getti G a lot of traction now and he’s fully on board with the scepticism. It’s not about a virus anymore to him. See Richie Allen last night
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dempz8/status/1364126453156241411
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40231925.html
Finally the MSM in Ireland agreeing to publish a pro-Vitamin D story.
I’ve been taking it for the first time in my life since last summer. I revealed this to my family on Saturday and I’m a conspiracy theorist. The vaccines is the only way out. I am beyond caring at this point.
https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1364166184636211200
They do not want an economic recovery
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1363916450608672773
People have criticised JHB at times, possibly with some justification, but as an MSM journalist making very telling points very clearly and strongly, she has done a lot better than most of the rest
She is more a benefit than a detriment
Of course it can be both at the same time, and many other things to
hahaha, it’s not whether is working or not, it’s about vaxx passports and forever lockdowns.
Depressing reading the comments, from that tweet. They ignore the stats and keep baging on about models and without lockdown we’re all gonna die. God you have my permission to start all over again. Can you just get rid of all these zealots first so we can have one last supper in peace before taking us as well.
Do I have this straight? Is it like the entire collective of “Western governments” – UK, US, Canada, Australia, NZ, all of Europe, etc. are like The Nazi Party? Are MPs like those party members who were just “following orders”? Should we all write and express this to our MPs? If they give the government an extension of powers on 31st March they are knowingly complicit in an authoritarian takeover, right? No more excuses!
It seems to be one huge interview process among them for the top positions in the Great Reset.
Indeed – the thought occurred to me.
Answers: yes, yes, yes, and yes.
Ah well, nothing to see here then. Move along…..
These people are traitors. No link to the vaccine, but the deaths with covid being shouted by the press – absolute lies!
‘Majority elderly or had underlying ilness’ – so, it’s not the vaccine, then. ‘Temporal association’* – perhaps within 28 days, hmmm? But it’s not the vaccine. You couldn’t make this up – but they just did.
So the dictatorships chief snitch and all round turd is to circle back on vaccine passports
Wonder which way that will go
JHB and so many others in the limelight complaining ‘I’ve done everything you asked and still we are locked down’. Trumpeting the vaccine for halting a seasonal virus when it is too early to confirm without any definitive evidence. Time for them to say no more masks, we are not complying, etc, etc, millions will follow. Mass civil disobedience should be the order of the day.
So, that’s it. My Dad has had enough of me now. My scepticism and willingness to question the narrative makes me delusional and irresponsible. It was on the cards for a while but I am still absolutely gutted.
He’s still your dad. It’s nor our job to sane the mad. Suggest drop the subject and remain close to your dad
You may need each other in the future
I’m still fuming at the things he said and can’t see through the red mist.
Hopefully he’ll come round to your way of thinking at some point. It doesn’t always happen when we are pushing for it, but you have sown seeds and they may just grow in a while.
I agree with Cecil B, I had a animated conversation with my mum on the phone yesterday, especially when she told me lockdowns work. I sent her the link with the 31 scientific papers that prove they don’t work….anyway, he is your Dad and if something were to happen you’d hate that you weren’t talking. See if he will accept a truce, and bite your tongue like we all have to it seems. But I do feel for you, it seems we are all an island in a raging sea and no one else wants to join us on our island but would rather drown than to be seen to ask questions. Crappy analogy, sorry
Ask him if he’s taking Vitamin D, a conspiracy theory of course
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40231925.html
Had similar problems with my mum. I’m trying not to let it drive a wedge between us because it’s what the government want – they want us to be divided and they want to tear families apart because an atomised society is easier to control.
yep
Social distancing kills
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7454335/
Even ONS admitting mortality back to normal level in Wales (although I would argue it has been normal throughout the Winter typical of a harsh but not untypical Winter)
Deaths registered in England and Wales, provisional: week ending 12 February 2021
In Wales, the total number of registered deaths in Week 6 was 31 higher than the five-year average but within the range of 2015 to 2019 deaths for Week 6; total deaths in Wales have decreased by 143 in Week 6.
Given that Wales have been slower with their experimental vaccination programme, must be surprising to the vaccine over-confident (albeit not to me) that they are back to 2015-2019 mortality.
It is an interesting question as to what constitutes acceptable as far as deaths are concerned? Several times recently i have heard commentators ask the question, if we are going to live with this virus what is the acceptable level of deaths? and of course nobody will give a straight answer as much of the public are horrified at any death and so any suggestion of acceptable deaths is avoided. But this hoo-haa has moved us into a new area of mandatory and legal action in the interests of public health and so the question of acceptable deaths needs to be addressed.
I wonder if we need some sort of public health version of the Office for Budget Responsibility to consider the matter and come up with some threshold figures? In my view no draconian mandatory public health measures should ever even be considered unless weekly UK deaths go above 20,000 for sudden and inexplicable reasons.
Yes. Good suggestion.
Obviously that doesn’t mean you do act when it is over 20,000 (given that lockdowns don’t seem to reduce direct deaths but do cause indirect deaths).
But ruling it out completely below 20,000 is a way of stopping overreaction.
During the Cold War, Western military leaders talked placidly about ‘acceptable numbers of megadeaths’ in the event of a nuclear strike.
I wish someone would ask Neil Ferguson about the assumptions built into their modelling: equal susceptibility, no seasonality, no prior immunity for example.
hahaha, nobody will ask him anything, he will not ever pay for this mess and most probably will get a lordship for his services in destroying this country.
1000 yuan have been deposited in your account for the correct answer
Exactly, these seem to be completely taboo subjects now. Everything we are hearing is about lockdowns working and how wonderful the fully tested and certified vaccines are. No mention at all about fact that numbers are falling because it’s the normal end of winter bug season and only very small hints that anyone could possibly be immune without being vaccinated.
This is so important. And so obvious. And those that were not going to survive the winter have already died. Are they seriously not including this factor in their statistics?
I think all of his models coding and assumptions need to be independently reviewed, by real computer scientists, insurance risk assessors and real programmers and a full report made public, to avoid a completely unqualified (in this field) person like Ferguson EVER being given the change to fuck up like this again
Is that people or the local mutts?
And so it begins
Just received an unacceptable letter from the CEO of my mother’s care home who are not only insisting on “vaccinations” for all staff (with few exceptions, unions are challenging) and residents (although they are kind enough to allow them to stay for the time being) BUT FOR THE DESIGNATED VISITOR.
Whatever your view on vaccines, this a clear overreach and must be I’m so angry I don’t know where to begin so won’t, I did however fill in the survey and did not hold back.
Someone please tell me I’m not overreacting
That’s appalling. You are not overreacting at all.
Thank you
No definitely not overreacting. I’d be absolutely furious.
Thank you
Oh my god, I’m really angry for you. Think a response quoting the Nuremberg convention and highlight certain pertinent sections of said Convention. Disgusting. Can you move your mother to another care home? If enough did this they soon be out of business.
I’m 200 miles away and sibling is primary carer (and has PoA) who will likely be fine with it all as was disappointed not to be on priority list.
It wasn’t easy getting her a home, we had to go outside the area she lived to get one.
Lets see, but can’t help this might get adopted for all care homes
Why does this not destroy the case for a vaccine passport, at least so far as travel to, and accommodation, in European countries?
Don’t we have an attorney general that can rule on this matter? The present incumbent seems to have a decent background , including time in European establishments , so the ECHR will not be unfamiliar to her.
The problem is that these resolutions are not legally binding off the bat. They should set the standards that the ECHR applies, but that needs to be tested in court.
It all comes down to the new way of thinking, ‘it’s for others not yourself’ ie masks, vaccines and you’re selfish if you don’t comply.
Vaccines, if they work, only protect the person being vaccinated if the particular disease is too strong for their immune system.
In past years we’ve never restricted movements of people who didn’t get flu vaccine as we only gave it to those who actually needed it and others were seen as no threat.
This is all complete madness that seems to only be happening to boost big pharma profits.
Yes that’s exactly what it is and it’s hard to argue against without seeming like a selfish non team player. Just had all that from a fairly sceptic friend who think vaccines work best if everyone gets them and so won’t avoid the callup. Dispiriting stuff.
Seems to be the normal way to coerce people to comply these days.
It’s always the “protect others” angle, not the “this offers you protection”. Been used for Lockdowns, Mandatory masking, now vaccines.
Am I selfish if I adopt a Rhett Butler stance and say “frankly, I don’t give a damn” about anyone else?
I genuinely don’t give a damn about anyone else now. My fucks given with society are now zero.
You think the zombies give a damn about anybody but rhemselves?
I know they don’t. I’ve always been the dangerous Tory in my group. Funny that I am the one worried about all the collateral damage.
Same
You need to remind them of their responsibilities under the equal opportunities act 2010 and also say you will be taking legal advice.
You’re not overreacting. Perhaps it’s worth pointing out the recent Council Of Europe resolution to them:
https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html
You are not over-reacting – far from it. Give them all barrels.
A related issue, Mrs TJN asked me if she should be prepared to take a LF test if asked when going to the doctor’s with one of our little ones, as she won’t be wearing a mask.
For myself, I would be quite happy to take such a one-off non-invasive test under these circumstances – simply because I envisage that it might have some benefit, in reducing risk to vulnerable people, as supported by actual science.
There’s a parallel with a care home visit here.
As I understand it, that’s the protocol. PPE plus negative LFT. Already happening as I have a friend who had parent in care home and he has visitor following that protocol.
Sounds practical and reasonable
I think the LFT is reasonable – don’t know about PPE. You want to see and touch your loved one. So what’s the point of PPE?
Good luck – face them down. Often these people will cave when confronted, especially when presented with official guidelines which support your case.
I think you’re right not to hold back because this is appalling!!!
I am so furious I have just strangled a kitten.
The moron-in-charge is following the science. Do you really believe that clown could understand the science?
Science is the new religion
Has been since
global coolinggreenhouse effectglobal warmingclimate changeGretamaniaDon’t forget acid rain. I remember being told at school in the 1980s we were literally all going to melt.
Every promise of armageddon seems to end in disappointment.
The trees were all going to die.
“turn on, tune in, burn out in the acid rain”
I was told global cooling was a fact, and that for some reason the US Air Force should firebomb the Arctic and melt it…..then a few years later confident assertions that New York City would be under water in 1995….etc etc.
However all his advice does come from professionals.
Yes, I am waiting for someone to complain about the use of clown in regard to someone who is not very bright (intellectually) and explain what being a clown involves, more than blowing bubbles, making balloon animals and dress in bright colours and oversized shoes.
More lockdown scepticism from DM readers
Britain’s coronavirus lockdown is one of the toughest in the WORLD with Ireland the only stricter Western nation, study reveals
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290029/Britains-coronavirus-lockdown-one-toughest-WORLD-study-claims.html
Best rated comment: 480 upticks 25 downticks
‘The toughest lockdown in the world and the fifth highest death toll (if the numbers are to be believed) from Covid. Something has gone terribly wrong somewhere, and we’ve not even begun to address the enormous number of cancelled operations, and the damage done to physical and mental health, children’s education, and to the economy.’
Four technical questions, if anyone can help.
First, the two ‘vaccines’, Pfizer and AstraZeneca. John001 last week posted links to US sites showing that their Phase 3 trials end in January and February 2023 respectively. Does that apply to the UK? Hence, would I be correct in stating that as applying to here?
Second, I understand these two ‘vaccines’ are currently covered by emergency licensing by the MHRA. Does this licensing have a time limit, and if so when?
Third, am I correct in thinking that most vaccines fail at Phase 3?
Fourth, what (if anything) is the difference between Antibody Dependent Enhancement and Pathogenic Priming?
Thanks if anyone can help, as I want to be confident of my ground here.
See here for details on clinical trial dates. Yes, UK too.
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/02/21/latest-news-292/#comment-427976
Thanks – that’s the same link as John001, but you are confident it applies here?
Not sure if I first cited those. Maybe from someone else … if so thanks to the finder.
I copied the links from your post, and wanted to credit someone. So thanks to you or whoever.
Your point 2 – the emergency use approval states specific batch numbers between specific dates that can be used.
No other batch numbers other than those listed in the EUA are allowed.
It was in a FOI answer I got back and that included this link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca
Look at the documents “Conditions for Authorisation”.
Here’s the modeRNA link to give you all 3:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-moderna
Thanks
Many thanks, and for these documents. So the emergency licensing is tighter than I imagined.
Currently we are witnessing an uncontrolled trial, but without informed consent.
Its my belief that the lack of informed consent will be huge problem for the authorities come the day of reckoning.
People are just being herded into vaccination hubs like cattle
The nub of my argument for which I’m assuring myself with the questions I’m asking above.
And I’m having this discussion with someone responsible for giving jabs. They don’t seem to be aware that ‘we are witnessing an uncontrolled trial, but without informed consent.’
This may help you, has good links in the article as well
https://cacuk.world/covid-19-vaccination-are-you-fully-informed/
That’s great thanks AG – covers some points I’ve been discussing elsewhere today, with friends and family – particularly that no medical professional has the right to say you should have a jab ‘for the greater good’.
All logged for future use – i.e. when I get my covid jab call (which I’m wondering whether my GP will actually send me, after my recent correspondence with them).
In my view, the medical establishment is going to suffer the same sort of, although worse, reputational collapse as the bankers after 2009.
There was an article, probably unable to find now, from the Israel Ethics committee, they wanted the govt to acknowledge that the programme in Israel is a clinical trial, as they have a contract with Pfizer to supply data.
They had to change their wording after pressure from the government.
But yes, legally it is a Phase 3 clinical trial, as it is not fully licensed. There was an Austrian lawyer on a debate which I saw on YT. She specialises in European law with re to vaccines and she said this is a clinical trial and everyone needs to be made aware AND they need to be informed they have a legal obligation to report side effects.
Indeed, it that this is still a clinical trial is being conveniently swept under the carpet here. And Liar Johnson is talking of bringing in vaccine passports for domestic use – that is out-and-out coercion.
He needs to go to jail.
If you do recall that link I’d be interested (I seen this afternoon’s tweet by PCRclaims).
It’s not the free for all that is commonly thought, no carte blanche to do what they want and it can be changed or cancelled at any time – hopefully MHRA will wake up and start questioning the adverse reaction data if enough pressure can be applied.
Does not do away with the fact that they are still unlicensed though and have not finished safety studies nor do they have full marketing approval.
Anyone on here going for a jab?
Check the bottle and confirm the batch numbers and dates match the EUA – if not kick up merry hell.
Logged for reference. Thanks
Derived from data from ONS Deaths Registered in England and Wales publication
All cause mortality coming down in all areas. Winter looks to be over mortality wise.
Nearly 2000 fewer deaths in week 6 than the previous week. Completely normal progression as winter ends.
To quote the Smiths
I know it’s over, but it never really began
Plenty of one to one picnics in local country park
Slow day today so just mooching.
Mrs Awkward getting good at spotting things now, just told me that she’s been watching lose Women while knitting and it looks like Ruth langsford was stopped in her tracks and given a warning via her earpice as she started with something along the lines of “we were promised to be freed from lockdown when granny was vaccinated so why it it not happening” and she stopped and it was never mentioned again by any of the panel.
Mrs Awkward said it was pretty obvious what happened.
ITV shit scared of the OFCOM warning then.
But no official narrative or agenda or media control is tehre?
These celebrities need to be shunned once we have won. They need to have their heads shaved and spat on in public humiliation.
Shaved Women-Crass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sieh9aokS0
Overheard at Waitrose today:
Two men in their 70s talking about the vaccine
Bloke #1: Have you had your vaccine?
Bloke #2: No, I refused as I have vertigo and I told my GP that I’m not going to have poison injected into my body. What about you?
Bloke #1: I declined too.
Bloke #2: Why?
Bloke #1: I told my GP that I don’t want that experimental thing injected into my body. He can come back to me in 10-15 years’ time.
Are we to assume that every single one of our 630-odd MPs is going to have the vaccine? Has anyone said that they might or will not? Is it going to stay a private matter? Is any one of them likely to speak out?
Will there be anyone left to speak for us?
I have the most uncomfortable feeling the vaccine is just for the plebs as will be the vaccine certificate/passport.
It might be a feeling now but it will become a certainty by autumn, the latest!
Two conclusions we can draw from last night’s ‘Roadmap’ out of lockdown:
The letter has a couple of typos in it, obviously rushed out, but a good basis for the fight against masking in school.
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1364177900606545920
The ‘Jabbernaut’ is slowing down.
‘Row erupts as Pfizer slaps down Matt Hancock’s claim that supply issues are to blame for slowest ever vaccination day on Sunday after the Health Secretary warns of a quieter week because of ‘ups and downs’ in deliveries’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290041/Matt-Hancock-claims-Britains-Covid-vaccine-roll-quiet-week-supply-issues.html
Some interesting best rated comments, clearly some sceptical people out there.
It’s the go-to by incompetent people
Saves having to sort out the shit they’ve created.
Its what keeps getting rammed down our throats re LDs. “High case numbers” because of the rule breakers so let’s have more rules, never a thought that it’s the LDs and testing that are the problem.
Amongst many things, they are unable to do even basic root cause analysis.
That’s been the case from the start, incompetence personified
Surely the vaccination programme will slow down soon as most of the vulnerable will have been vaccinated. The government may have a harder job convincing younger/healthier people to have it.
Younger generations skew far more heavily to ethnic minorites percentage-wise too, which will probably be a factor.
I would think so. Also the target group now is probably much more social media aware and may have caught on to the side effect stories and doing their own risk benefit analysis
Also ‘just imagine, you too could have our magical vax & stay locked up for another 4-odd months!’ isn’t a great sell!
They’ll just chuck in some more fear – “new variant, particularly affecting younger people…” Or maybe that’s how they’ll bring in the completely new virus. Then again, they can always do a bit of marketing: “Younger people are more resistant, so IF they’ve had their jab, they will be able to travel…”
That’s where Jab for Job comes in plus exhortations to Play Their Part and not Kill Granny. This is Behavioural Psych 101 for the wicked SPI-B members. So far they are hitting every ball out of the park.
Not seen anyone other than staff at the vaccination centres I’ve driven past in recent weeks.
They are also seeming to put them in out of the way places now that do not have drive-by possibilities – but not seen anyone turing into these dead end car parks yet either.
That does seem a bit strange, as is the experience of my wife and I regarding being offered the jab. 3 weeks ago we both had a text from our local GP practice recommending that we book a jab at our centralised local jabbing centre. As we both decided to wait until a) more safety information becomes available and b) the advert of (hopefully) non gene therapy jabs we didn’t follow up on the texts. Then a week later we both got our ‘call up’ papers from the NHS, which for the same reasons we also ignored. Since then no contact at all from anyone, certainly not the hassle that some others seem to have had.
Have gone past 3 different vaccine centres and they’ve all been dead.
Ditto testing centres, walked past one the other day and the staff were simply chatting to each other.
One last week told me they had done 4 tests all day and they were bored.
I haven’t smoked for 30 years so imagine my shock at discovering a packet of 20 costs over £13
The last time I bought a pack of cigs they cost less than £2. They’ll becoming for the alcohol next.
I smoked a bit in my mid 20s. I’m thinking of taking it up again just to piss off a health fascist.
I gave up when I was eleven.
As regards alcohol, those plans have been in place a while. Thus spake the anthropologist (nine years ago!):
Unlike any other global-health body, the World Health Organization (WHO) can create legally binding conventions, and it only requires a two-thirds majority vote to do so. Yet this power is vastly underused. In more than 60 years, this United Nations agency has produced only two major treaties: the International Health Regulations, which require countries to report certain disease outbreaks and public-health events; and the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which commits governments to making legislative moves to reduce the demand for, and supply of, tobacco. The WHO has shown a reluctance to use hard legal instruments. Instead, it tries to influence societal norms through guidelines and recommendations1. This is a major missed opportunity.
Now is the time for the WHO to take a bold step and move towards a third treaty to protect world health. There is an obvious target. About 2.5 million deaths a year, almost 4% of all deaths worldwide, are attributed to alcohol — more than the number of deaths caused by HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis or malaria2. Alcohol consumption is the world’s third-largest risk factor for health burden; in middle-income countries, which constitute almost half of the world’s population, it is the greatest risk (see ‘Health burdens’).
https://www.nature.com/articles/482302a
I gave up about the same time, thanks to the flu (remember that). Giving up smoking was easy as I’d done it hundreds of times. I got the flu and it was painful to breath let allow smoke so I was forced to stop. It took me 6 months to be “safe” to go to the pub without wanting a fag.
Yikes. I quit in 2005 when a 20-pack cost £5 – £7 depending on the brand.
https://www.thinkscotland.org/thinkpolitics/articles.html?read_full=14458
Excellent article ,which dissects Dr Strangelove’s pandemic modelling , written by an IT expert.
I still want to know why Famous Ferguson continues to wield such influence.
Secondly, a brief encounter yesterday with batty neighbour who lives with her creepy son in what resembles an airless tomb- all windows and blinds permanently closed-Pscho/ Adams Family.
Yesterday was a glorious sunny harbinger of spring, which has now been replaced by gusts of 60mph, bins all over the place and gutters littered with detritus.
So, batty neighbour returned from shopping outing, in the fresh air and sunshine, wearing black gag which reached up to her eyes.
She mumbled a greeting, then entered her airless tomb, where the mask was removed.
I still can’t get my head round this mindless behaviour: in the fresh mild air, one wears a gag; why?
They’re all doing this now.
Finally I think that the Sturgeonator is significantly afflicted by PADS- Power Addicted Derangement Syndrome.
The EU flag is now flown daily at Holyrood while the Union Jack has been demoted to a once yearly appearance.
Add to this, the cult’s obsession with trans ,the growing Salmond affair revelations and the determination to hold yet another neverendum, while this unhappy divided country falls into greater poverty and indebtedness.
However, see this:
https://www.scotlandmatters.co.uk/vaccination-not-separation-billboard/
OK, it calls for vaccination, but it puts her on the spot.
School dilemma.
2019- As a teacher I’m made aware of a child who believes they will kill their grandparents if they get near them. They wear masks wherever they go, and wash their hands until they are raw. A few weeks ago they had a cough and so their parents locked them in their room, kept them off school, and left trays of food by the door.
I would be liable for professional misconduct if I do not inform social services.
2021- If they did not do all of the above, the school would send them home.
I’m holding out – just shred NHS stuff these days. However – unless they develop a sort of passport waiver for those of us who shouldn’t have the needle (anaphylaxis in my case), I may have to have one eventually. I HAVE to go to the USA when I can. Question? Which? rNA changing (Pfizer et al), or old school ‘bits of animals, and metals’ Oxford? Somebody official is going to have to give me an opinion in writing
or an alleviation to travel. So my estate can sue the ass off them.
Could you borrow Greta’s fibreglass boat and sail?
Fibreglass is a health hazard….. Fiberglass will irritate the eyes, skin, and the respiratory system. Potential symptoms include irritation of eyes, skin, nose, throat, (dyspnea, breathing difficulty); sore throat, hoarseness and cough. Scientific evidence demonstrates that fiberglass is safe to manufacture, install and use when recommended work practices are followed to reduce temporary mechanical irritation. Unfortunately these work practices are not always followed, and fiberglass is often left exposed in basements that later become occupied. Fiberglass insulation should never be left exposed in an occupied area, according to the American Lung Association
And also damaging to the environment, Can someone tell Greta !
I had a job making fiberglass aeroplanes once, working with it is horrible on wheels. It gets everywhere and it’s itchy, the chemicals you need to work with it are really really nasty and cause all kinds of skin problems. Bits of glass fiber get in your skin and they don’t wash off easily.
Its horrible stuff. Pretty handy however.
The smug-powered one?
wait for the nasal spray – they will bring it in last minute as a carrot on a stick
keep pushing the PEG allergy
I am resigned to the idea that eventually I may need a vaccine to facilitate international travel to visit my family. However, i will hang on as long as possible and only go down that route if there is no other way. The current Yellow International vaccination card has an exemption page, I will see whether I can be exempted?
Also you need to note that there are 4 types of vaccine the first 2 types involve RNA stuff these include Pfizer and Astro-Zeneca and if I can i will keep well away from those. But there is one coming along call ‘Novovax’ which I think might be less scary and there are possibly some nasal spay types which I would consider as long as they were OK for travel purposes.
I am in an optimistic mood today, I do not think it will happen, my reasoning countries cannot agree on which “vaccines” are acceptable, so what happens if you have the wrong one for one country but the right one for another?
Nuremburg is the backstop on all of this, no matter which rules and regulations country try and break to insist on vaccine passports, they cannot be made mandatory.
Finally people are not taking the “vaccines” anywhere near the numbers being reported. Economics will eventually kick in if many countries lose revenue from people not travelling there due to not wanting to have a “vaccine”.
Great post
I think your right talk of restrictions for “the vaccine” that is not a vaccine and will now stop you getting “it” or spreading “it” is just pure psy-op to drive the jabbs.
Yes – end of this year MIGHT be fog-clearing time. Counter-intuitively.
The J&J sounds as ‘normal’ as Novovax and was due to be approved this month (i.e. emergency use). Or I understand the Sputnik is pretty similar to the J&J.
I wonder if Putin has got anywhere near being jabbed …
J&J is a vector virus . https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19
Novovax is proven technology. To me Codagenix ,Sinovac and Sinopharm are safer but they aren#t coming to the UK any time soon.
Craig Kelly was ”cancelled” by Facebook for posting this, about Ivermectin:
https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/posts/why-do-the-health-bureaucrats-still-refuse-to-listen-five-months-ago-professor-t/1703626896498604/
It is democide, a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY of the worst order.
Zuckerberg doesn’t want the Barry Sherman treatment so he goes along with the censorship.
Just come across this:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-12-08-first-peer-reviewed-results-phase-3-human-trials-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine
And this slideshow:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/02-COVID-Miller.pdf
Thanks.
“As only five cases included in the primary analysis occurred in those who were more than 55 years old, the vaccine efficacy in older age groups could not be assessed but will be determined in future analyses after more cases have accrued in this age range.”
So they still don’t know if helps over 60s people who make uo 95% of deaths.
But its 70% effective for those who are at minimal risk anyway. I just can’t get myself excited at all when they publish this stuff.
From the Government document as quoted in the article:
“Living with the virus
196) Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population, but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups. The Government will ensure the country can live with the virus in the longer-term without imposing restrictions which bear heavy economic, social and health costs. “
Isn’t that the most outrageous first sentence you can imagine? Read it again and then ask yourself why in that case, we have tied everyone down for 12 months and why the Government did not welcome and enact the proposals of the Great Barrington Declaration? Or indeed simply announce last summer that having flattened the sombrero and learned much more about this brand new disease, it could now see that returning to its previous, long considered respiratory pandemic plan was the sensible thing?
Indeed, with that sentence in the document, and with >15 million people vaccinated, it does not or cannot enact GBD right now?
I still have to conclude that the Government is collectively cowardly and unable to lead; that it is still unable to return the nation to anything like normal (in other words, forget June 21st as a date); and that we are doomed to rule by Protector-General Hancock for the foreseeable future. I do not trust them an inch.
Living with the virus = living in permanent lockdowns, yearly vaxx and using a vaxx passport.
Yep.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-lockdown-roadmap-vaccine-uk-reopen-school/
Johnson says:
He added that Michael Gove has been tasked with leading a review to thrash out the “scientific, moral, philosophical, ethical” question of whether to introduce vaccination certificates.
“This is an area where we’re looking at a novelty for our country, we haven’t had stuff like this before, we’ve never thought in terms of having something that you have to show to go to a pub or a theatre,” he said.
“There are deep and complex issues that we need to explore, and ethical issues about what the role is for Government in mandating or for people to have such a thing or indeed in banning from people doing such a thing.
Gove! Dear god!
Johnson again;
“We can’t be discriminatory against people who for whatever reason people can’t have the vaccine,” the Prime Minister said.
We’re screwed then!
As Peter Hitchens observed:
(we will be): ‘bargaining for a parody of the freedom (we) used to have’
Want to go to the pub? Let’s see your vaccination document/negative test please!
Football match? Visit a care home? etc etc.
I often wonder why not one of the journalists at the pressers start a question with, “Professor Whitty, you said on 11th of May last year ‘blah, blah, blah’. Why are you insisting on ‘vaccinating’ everyone?”
I know it’s never going to happen, but I’d like to hear what he’d say.
Quick reminder of what he did say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg
A few days ago I posted a comment over how disappointed I felt over the fact my uni graduation in July was cancelled. In hindsight, graduation always seemed a bit naff to me. It was more the implication of what the cancellation meant for this summer.
With the roadmap claiming normality in June you’d expect perhaps that the university would have more optimistic plans to uncancel graduation for sometime in the summer. Maybe August to give some time to see if the goal posts get shifted by Sage again.
WRONG! Got a fresh email from the uni saying that the roadmap changes NOTHING. Graduation 2021 remains cancelled despite plans for a free and open summer. Suggests a lot of optimism doesn’t it.
I also think with Unis it’s the case that unless they come under pressure from their competition then why would they give themselves the huge admin headaches involved in opening up again – risk assessments, understanding guidance, keeping everyone happy etc etc
They never reopened after March, and have attracted very little attention from the media
All the headlines are about schools
I hope you have an employable degree. Either way it’s mostly a shakedown racket to conceal unemployment figures.
ALL university lecturers and especially OXBRIDGE DONS deserve the DEATH PENALTY a fair trial of course.
Suggests your university is run by bastards.
So pleased to hear that you really thought it was naff as I felt a bit mean telling you that it’s really no big deal based on my own experience that is from an era before schools had ever heard of Proms so Graduation was then even more highly regarded as a rite of passage.
Never been keen on wearing the hat and gown and sitting through a ceremony. Was mainly looking forward to celebrating for a final time with my coursemates. Many of whom I haven’t seen in person for nearly a year. I hope they still decide to return for a celebration we can organise ourselves.
Good luck with organising something, whilst I sound like a miserable old git I’d also add that of necessity waiting will be no bad thing as it will show who really are your friends and will turn up as opposed to just people on your course who might no then even bother. Within a few years most Uni contemporaries will become a blur and you’ll be lucky if you are still in touch with some even on an annual Christmas greeting basis. Do get the photos done though as I suggested as it is something to placate relatives and a souvenir to look back on.
Can anyone confirm or not that 75% of US military personnel are refusing the “vaccines” ?
(they are, after all, mainly Trump supporters) not sure if it was here or zh that i read that.
Also it would be interesting to get accurate figures as to what is the actual % declination of our own NHS doctors and nurses ! Again, did i read here that it was something like a 45% no from our doctors.
Nick – it’s around 30%
Officially. 30% is coming up a lot in terms of number sof refuseniks
if all those NHS peeps went long term sick rather than the forced jab then that would be a fatal blow to the crumbling system
Make it so
There’s close on 100,000 on the sick at the moment!
And the dimwits STILL can’t see why hospitals are ”busy”.
I hope all the fuckers take it too, the doctors and NHS nurses.
About 1/3rd of US military refusing is the estimate here:
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/one-third-of-us-military-refusing-covid-19-vaccine-pentagon-2372905
A quote from Robin Monotti:
“The first rule about magic money trees is that you don’t talk about magic money trees. The UK government plucked £34.1bn from the magic money tree in December. Joe Biden is talking about a $1.9trn shake of the magic money tree.”
Get what lockdowns and masks are really covering?
There is not now nor has there ever been an epidemiological or viral emergency event of any sort anywhere in the world in the year 2020.
The manufactured perception that there was such an event is an artifact of mass media manipulation, behavioral conditioning techniques and social engineering. All of this made possible through institutional programming and accelerated media messaging disallowing basic cognitive processes and eliminating critical thinking possibilities.
What we are in the midst of is a planned total economic collapse. This economic collapse was inevitable, Western governments are putting the security infrastructure into place, trying to proactively control the inevitable social disorder which will result from this collapse. To be followed by a global financial reset, after a period of hyperinflation, which destroys both the value of debt and the corresponding paper claims.
The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this corrupt economic system only delayed the inevitable. In the Fall of 2019 the crisis began to rapidly unravel again.
There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production which showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.
The Repo market is where banks borrow money each day so that they have 10% liquid assets at the end of each day. If they do not have 10% liquid assets they are not allowed to open the next day. Around the middle of September the Fed started pumping $20 billion per day into the Repo market to keep interest rates down so banks could borrow the money to stay in business. By the end of December the Fed was pumping over $100 billion per day into the Repo market and it was not enough.
Simply everyone on Wall Street was loaded with enormous debt and was holding on to US cash to be able to service it refusing to finance purchases of foreign currencies and then US currency as Repo Market froze at 10% interest on overnight Repo loans as US treasury bonds and even US bills were rejected as collateral for Repos.
In fact what happen in March 2020 was just the spread of the liquidity crisis from primary dealers markets (TBTF banks and Hedge funds were actually bailed out in September) toward all other stock, commodities, bonds CLOs, MBS etc, as well to Ponzi schemes called today ETF funds, not to mention structured derivative products traded on proprietary platforms nominally representing up to several thousands of $$$ trillions.
When US treasury bonds and even USTB became illiquid due to exponential growth of public (but most of all private) dollar debt while the FED was sucking up cash from financial markets by tempering QE (called QT ) between 2017 and 2019 reduced FED balance sheet from over $5 T to $3.9T by selling assets, all hell broke loose. Something drastic had to be done.
And hence the FED started to “buy all worthless shit for double the price”, Gates’s and Silicon Valley oligarchic gang took over the media, and Orwellian shrinks and doctor Fauci-Mengeles came to the “rescue” unleashing operation COVID.
COVID phenomenon cannot be understood without understanding the un-televised 2019-2020 unprecedented financial collapse threatening the entire global financial system. The COVID fraud timing became necessary as the world markets were faced with an emergency debt crisis that popped up in formerly mostly liquid markets: Repo markets, money markets and FX markets.
The entire House of Cards was falling for six months and could not be stopped so COVID hysteria was manufactured to cover up what amounts today to $11 trillion of FED bailout in cash, stock boost via POMO and guarantees of value of collateral used in structured derivatives.
The end game is that the central banks (Fed) will buy all the toxic, worthless debt from the hedge funds and banks, including the 1.5 quad trillion of derivatives, and then transfer the debt to the treasury as sovereign debt. Then print money to infinity to service the fictitious debt to sink the dollar via hyperinflation and then foreclose on the US and everyone else holding debt in worthless dollars.
That’s the coup.There will be global hyperinflation to vaporize the assets of the masses and the states. As soon as the ruling class mops up the last properties. What this means is the ruling class have limitless claims on everything in the world.
It’s true that the denouement of the 2008-9 crisis seemed to be appearing in late 2019, and has been overshadowed since by covid. As far as I can see, it’s true that there is no way to pay back the government debts except by inflation.
Heaven knows what else is true.
100%
Buy physical gold and silver
They don’t have enough to cover their phony baloney paper promises on precious metals
Good point, however – as Dr Coleman, & Neil McCoy-Ward (& others) are warning; with gold there is a very real possibility of confiscation orders. Which means it won’t take Liam Neeson-level-skills to track it down.
History will tell you this has to happen. Wall Street Crash was a gold cull
This all ties in with what Catherine Austin Fitts has been talking about.
The global balance sheet is in negative territory. Start there and ask, who do we owe that debt to exactly?
Staggering … if accurate?
Covid labelled death in the 90 and overs
ONS state in their Deaths Registered Weekly publication (12th Feb)
In Week 6 (week ending 12 February 2021), the number of deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) in England and Wales decreased or remained the same in all age groups compared with Week 5. The biggest decrease was seen in those aged 90 years and over (424 fewer deaths). The majority (70.5%) of deaths involving COVID-19 were in people aged 75 years and over.
Thought I would put that statement into context.
Here are the proportion of covid labelled deaths by week of occurrence of death in each age band.
While there has been a fall in the proportion under age 90 in the latest few weeks, in the week immediately before experimental vaccination started (week ending 4th December 2020) the over 90s made up 21.8% of all covid labelled deaths vs 21.7% for the latest week (week ending 12th Feb).
It’s probably better to look at all age groups since many under 90 have already been experimentally vaccinated also so you need to compare with age groups who haven’t been vaccinated, but looking at the chart there is no major effect if any of vaccination on covid labelled deaths. I say that noting there is a lot of natural variation in proportions as you can see from around May time, and so minor affects aren’t easily seen.
And of course it doesn’t matter if you prevent someone’s death being labelled as covid, if they still die from another cause without the covid label.
And here are the historic proportions of death by all causes in each age band. Less age categories, because old ONS data had restricted bands.
So there has been a slight reduction in the proportion of over 85s dying in the last few weeks. But that’s just reversing much bigger previous week increases in that age group and the proportion is completely normal.
If experimental vaccination was reducing death from covid, and covid deaths were a significant direct cause of death, then you would expect the proportion of deaths in the older age groups who had been vaccinated to go down, but no sign of that at all.
It seems to be typical that the proportion of deaths in the oldest age band decreases as we come out of a harsh Winter (see Spring 2015 and Spring 2018 for example) so the latest reduction may just reflect the same as we head into Spring.
Natural variations over time (and changes in population structure over time) makes it difficult to make definitive judgements.
Shouldn’t they defer the consensus till after the cull?
Maybe they doing it to find out how many more they need to cull?!
The dead always vote Labour anyway
I think its fairly obvious that Mr. Freguson has no intention of debating in good faith … like all fraudsters its like trying to grab pudding … you can never get a solid grip and he always slips thru your fingers …
… the way slime does.
I don’t think ”slime” is too strong a word.
Another strong one (in MY book) that isn’t used often enough for this disgraced and unelected person is ”DISHONOURABLE’‘
I see the clowns applauding the Govt on a ‘road map’ to normality. Normality? It is FAR from normality. Walking around muzzled is NOT normal. Telling us how many we can have at weddings and funerals is NOT normal. Muzzling schoolkids is NOT normal. It all comes with ‘at the earliest’ so will be put back when people resist their monkey gunk. Then we will be blamed because they can’t get ‘back to normal’. It is far from normal and we are resisting till the bitter end. These zealots would sell their souls for a return ticket to Benidorm. I am also now worried that any meat will come from vaccinated animals. Far from a roadmap to normality, it’s war.
I was pleased today to get a reply from Charles Walker’s Senior Parliamentary Assistant, thanking me for my email telling him how dreadful the impact has been on our lives. I would urge everyone to take the time to write to him.
I am intending to put aside three or four days just to read articles and watch videos I have saved, as well as to write letters either of support or exhortation to various public figures.
… the deliberate spreading of vaccine misinformation should be criminalised.
So whoever is responsible for the NHS vax leaflet should be the first in line!
They should never be called a vaccine anyway according to the legal definition – and this is the same as what is in the dictionary:
“Vaccine means a specially prepared antigen which, upon administration to a person, will result in immunity”
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/vaccine
As the 3 in use in the UK do NOT contain any of the virus and do NOT confer immunity they do NOT meet the definition.
ASA not taking any notice of complaints made to this effect.
The CDC gives their own definition – “Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.” but this still means the non-vaccines fail the definition as they don’t “protect” as they define this as “you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.”.
And a video discussion on this very topic:
https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/legal-definitions-of-vaccines/281283
Are there any in the pipeline that actually ARE ”real” vaccines?
A spray up the nose one and 1 other I think.
Seen them reported as being in safety trials and possibly licensed middle of this year.
Indeed.
And here’s Scott Atlas talking about misinformation (albeit this conversation isn’t about vaccines)
https://twitter.com/SKMorefield/status/1364054403607633920
Repeat a lie often enough and people believe it, and then try and prevent people pointing out your lies and misinformation by criminalising it.
Going to keep an eye on this US court case:
https://informedconsentdefense.org/
Good luck to them.
Here’s an interview with Gregory Glaser talking about his evidence that vaccines harm people long term. That’s what the case is about. Amazing info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xhv5OI2dyM
Are they they now trying to rubbish vitamin D?
https://www.ausdoc.com.au/news/lancet-removes-vit-d-reduces-coronavirus-deaths-paper-its-website
Too cheap and effective, I’d imagine. Can’t have anything interfering with the ”vaccine” take-up, can they?
They are out to poison us not heal us. They also won’t admit that BAME people have worse rates of covid because northern climes don’t let them obtain enough vitamin D through sunlight – that’s obvious. But no, we must say it’s systemic racism.
Same as we are not allowed to point out the bleeding obvious
The NHS was built for a stable population of 45-50 million and mass immigration has destroyed it
That and reducing the number of beds. The NHS budget is huge – it would be good to know how much of that is still going on paying PFI contracts.
Yes – and one STILL hears people blathering on about how ”busy” hospitals are, without any reference to reduced bed numbers and half the staff being off ”sick” (not).
A friend of mine actually said that a friend of HERS told her that hospitals are ordering hundreds more body bags than usual! No – really! I said I wondered how that could be when the excess deaths didn’t amount to more than about five per ten thousand (I don’t know the figures – but I thought I’d try to make a point! If they’re going to be silly, then so will I.)
Fewer than half the beds there were 30 years ago. That’s the scandal.
And the average age and health were much better. The decline was inevitable, but the staggering, teetering collapse was not. To accomplish that they have to use decades of mangerialism and subversion (including nursing as ‘all-graduate’ jobs! When the non-grads retire that’ll be time to shutter the place)
No. It was never perfect, but a succession of neoliberal governments has badly damaged it. In my extensive observation, immigrants have saved the service from collapse whilst the corporate predation has been underway.
I wonder if they will be stirring up more racial tensions in the next few months,because the BAME community will be blamed for keeping restrictions going by not having had the jab. This appears odd as they are the one
snt taken up the offer ?who have suffered the most from the virus.
Does anyone know the current % of population who have
S what’s that going to involve face-nappy cops aggressively taking the knee to respect them into getting the jab?
I really hope they (BAME people) don’t take it up because if vaccine passports have the effect of indirectly disadvantaging a particular ethnic group then they will be unlawful. Let’s stick together.
And on that, the virus is disappearing in South Asia whilst south Asians are disproportionately susceptible to CV in the UK…
Someone tell the Irish government
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40231925.html
https://retractionwatch.com/2021/02/19/widely-shared-vitamin-d-covid-19-preprint-removed-from-lancet-server/
I’ve attended my first virtual funeral today. A lovely lady, whom we have known since our teens, has passed away at the age of 62, following a great many years of suffering from a debilitating illness.
Today we posted a sympathy card to the family of another friend who has died at the age of 79, after suffering a stroke.
It occurred to me that the last time I was at a funeral was over two years ago, way before all this madness. Before that we often had to attend two or three funerals a year (whereas once, it used to be weddings!)
In spite of this killer disease, during this last year, we have not attended one funeral, virtual or otherwise, until today.
Coronavirus has truly worked miracles.
Know the feeling – seemed to be that teh suit came out for weddings and christenings, now it’s funerals.
Few of the people I meet at the family affairs have mentioned the same – must be a side-effect of hitting your 50s no-one ever mentioned.
I read the obituaries now to see how many more people I know have shufffled off the coil since last week.
Son watches father scan obituary columns in search of absent school friends
While his generation digests high fibre ignorance
Cowering behind curtains and the taped up painted windows
Decriminalised genocide, provided door to door Belsens
Senescence begins
And middle age ends
The day your descendants
Outnumber your friends
Ogden Nash
Virtually dead?
Hat tip to Basileus for posting this earlier. https://dailysceptic.org/2021/02/23/latest-news-294/#comment-430120
No apologies for reposting this. It was posted at 8am; it needs a wider audience.
https://twitter.com/birb_k/status/1364047644054626307
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963414/S1130_SPI-M_Summary_of_Modelling_on_Roadmap_Scenarios.pdf
Look at some of the absurd hospitalisation numbers and death figures they are throwing around.
Twitter poster did a nice graphic.
Thanks for the links, I’ve been off for several hours so missed them this morning.
Pfeffel is a right wiley old fox, isn’t he?
Get Gove to head the decision about vaccination passports. Lose Lose with the amount of rabid bedwetters in the country.
This does scare me, the domestic issue of going into a pub, train or theatre. Hopefully the black market will get on the case and start making fake ones and some lawyers might sniff a profit to be made.
Yes fakes in the UK ok. Could be dodgy going abroad if something unconnected happened to you (e.g broken leg) and insurance co got access to your records and refused to pay out as you hadn’t quite been truthful on your application for insurance abroad.
Just thinking of the trains, since most stations nowadays either have automatic machines to check tickets, or no barriers at all at smaller stations, how exactly would vaccine passports be checked?
BREAKING Boris Johnson warns COVID-19 lockdown will NOT end on June 21 unless cases & deaths plunge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK3FkvLp5RI&ab_channel=TheSun
He’s got a fucking cheek; he spent his own journalistic career doing exactly that.
He says “I’m very optimistic that we’ll be able to get there [Jun 21]”. We know what that means then, don’t we children? One day later!
Already they are laying the ground for more u-turns ,back peddling, lock downs forever !
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14133270/summer-freedom-end-fourth-coronavirus-wave/
The press are involved in terrorism. There’s no other word for headlines like that.
hahahahahahahahahaha …. surprised ………… NOT !!!!
Crazy figures there. Unlock in April and get 4 times the cases as we had in April 2020.
Hang on:
And Patrick Vallance:
Oh, look; they’re working to a script. What a surprise!
And what’s the script? Looks like what Gupta et al said in the Great Barrington Declaration.
Unbalanced doesn’t want laws dictating how we live our daily lives?
He’s got a f…..g odd way of showing it.
But social distancing has never been law and he knows it.
C-nt vs C-nt!
Battle of the Cuntans?
Oh Dear. I posted a comment earlier which made the obvious point that many of the sceptical arguments were either wrong or irrelevant. My point was reinforced by many of the responses which were ..er.. either wrong or irrelevant. Let me simplify things a bit.
We have a situation which looks very much like the following
Ferguson: Model says 500k dead if we don’t
Sceptics: Model is wrong. We don’t have 500k dead.
Ferguson: That’s because we had lockdown.
Sceptics: That can’t be right – because lockdowns don’t work.
Ferguson: Lockdowns must work – otherwise we’d have 500k dead.
Repeat Ad Infinitum
Now then, who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? (Clue: it’s not the sceptics). When the likes of Chris Snowdon are jumping ship then we’re definitely on the losing side.
Snowdon and others are pretty influential among those who are likely to be sympathetic to the sceptic argument. The only way people like these will be won back is by strong evidence that the lockdowns have had very little effect on transmission of the virus in the UK. It’s no good banging on about Florida or Japan or any other region of the world where many different factors could be in play.
I believe that evidence probably exists but it’s not going to be easy to tease it out. Analysis by Joel Smalley and David Paton is the best on offer at the moment but Ferguson and SAGE are vulnerable – if they are attacked on the right issues. I think they screwed up in March and this led to a totally unnecessary lockdown.
But suit yourselves, carry on with “the polls are junk, data is junk, the vaccines are killing everyone and covid’s gone” arguments because they’ve worked so well over the past 12 months.
My favoured argument is this one
1) Lockdowns are morally wrong
If you disagree with (1) then
2) Lockdowns do obvious harm – costs are huge
3) Lockdown benefits are unquantified so an intervention with huge costs but unclear benefits is wrong by any normal criteria
4) Prolonged lockdowns are a complete deviation from standard epidemic responses.
Yes indeed the burden of proof is on those wanting to deviate from the established approach
Yes, people fail to recognise its not for us to argue the case against it is for them to argue the case for. I can’t see any justification for it despite what the ‘models’ say.
Totally agree. The established approach was there and it was chucked in the bin.
I think the give-away is the desire to suppress counter-evidence rather than debate it. That’s always the mark of a lost argument – as is the ‘whataboutery’ marker.
Let’s face it, if you need protection from contrary evidence, you’re not going to be bright enough to assess any evidence other than that handed to you tied up in a ribbon. Which, of course, is the point.
My argument has always been that lockdown was always unnecessary because cases had already started to fall before they were implemented. That is not in any way saying that no measures at all should have been taken – they had been and had already started to work.
Ferguson’s 520,000 deaths were if NO measures were taken.
Ferguson or his model also said last spring that if Sweden continued to follow its Covid no measures strategy it could end up with 85,000 deaths. It continued with that strategy and currently a year later has 12,700 possible Covid deaths.
“Now then, who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? “
I think the public in general just believe what the govt and media tell them because they have heard little else for the last 12 months – there are virtually no dissenting voices and the case for the opposition has quite simply not been presented to them
I have friends who are very clever and very sceptical about all of this who have no real idea of any of the actual data
Mayo, that is a complete misrepresentation of the discussion that was had before.
Hence the new post: an attempt to control the narrative.
I don’t think it’s that hard to see. The dynamics of a virus suppressed by lockdowns and NPIs are completely different to those of one that reached an equilibrium level.
It’s clear that we reached a summer equilibrium and then had a seasonal adjustment to a higher equilibrium. If Fergie was right, and it was all about NPIs, there should have been no Covid in the winter, as the lockdown was actually stricter then.
Now if he wants to actually engage with reality and discuss what, if any, behaviour changes affected those equilibrium levels and by how much then we can talk. Right now he’s living in an alternate reality. It’s a bit like trying to debate a flat earther or someone who thinks the moon landings were fake.
“who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? (Clue: it’s not the sceptics).”
Now I wonder why?
Might it have something to do with control of the media? Because the immediate response is ‘What argument?’, because I’ve not seen one in the sense of balanced media coverage of evidence.
You have a massive beam in your own eye, Mayo, in terms of not seeing the glaringly obvious, and missing the point.
We can argue about detail, but this isn’t Ebola, and there is no justification for current NPI governmental measures in terms of either severity of the virus or acceptability and efficacy (near zero) of the measures .
The narrative leading to these absurdities is totally fallacious. The basis of the underlying risk assessment is such that everyone should be selling their car in order to prevent the risk of death.
And you should carry on pushing your pro-lockdown argument. We all really appreciate your skepticism towards our skepticism. Personally, I don’t give a fuck about any life that’s been damaged, shortened, or ended by the lockdown. All the matter is the lockdown and we’re all grateful to you for keeping us up to date with your views on it…
To be fair to Mayo he/she has stated on many occasions that he/she is against lockdowns – I think the point being made is that he/she thinks some of the arguments being used against them are weak and therefore counterproductive
I disagree with a lot of the posts, but I think it’s useful to see different views, especially as Mayo engages and is most certainly not a troll, as he/she has been accused of (not on this occasion but others)
I would like to see more dissenting views here, if there is an attempt to argue properly
you’re second to last paragraph makes a great deal of sense and should be developed, unfortunately the backward negative part of your personality comes screaming out in your completely unnecessary final paragraph drowning out your important positive message
I spoke to salad cream about this and apparently it all boils down to the difference between raw eggs and cooked eggs.
The burden of proof lies with those who advocated lockdowns.
Let them prove it, or even attempt to … oh, they can’t.
Cases, hospitalisations and deaths have fallen – so lockdowns work.
That is their argument and too many people agree with it.
Yes Mayo, but you and I both know that is nonsense. Anyone with the most basic scientific literacy knows that is nonsense.
And it’s easily demonstrable as nonsense, in that it’s easily demonstrable that infections peaked before lockdowns. Naively perhaps, I have confidence that these truths will eventually gain traction.
I do take your wider point though that Sceptics, for whatever reason, haven’t got their arguments across properly. In part I think because we haven’t had the c. £300 million plus the UK government appears to have spent on propaganda.
Thread hijack – earlier I posted some technical questions which I hoped someone like you might know about. Two I haven’t had answers to are:
am I correct in thinking that most vaccines fail at Phase 3?
what (if anything) is the difference between Antibody Dependent Enhancement and Pathogenic Priming?
I don’t want to put you on the spot or anything, and understand if these aren’t your subjects – but I have no medical background at all and want to understand what I’m talking about.
Ferguson et al.’s (March, 2020) forecasts for total deaths from Covid-19 ranged from 5,600 to 550,000 (Table 4) over a two-year period. In other words, they assumed that with the right non-pharmaceutical interventions, deaths from Covid-19 could be almost completely eliminated (in that there would be 5,600 deaths from it over a two year, assuming an R of 2.0).
Therefore, all that is required to eliminate Covid-19 deaths is a wise ruler who will implement the correct policies.
This seems to be a mistaken assumption suggestive of greater agency over this particular virus than is possible.
Stopped reading at point 1. 500,000 deaths was used to drive fear. That figure is ridiculous given the almost identical experience of Sweden and UK in how and wheb the hits came, though Sweden faired better in the end. His model is guff at the extreme. Unless the aim was fear, and it worked.
Add in PCR and 500,000 is even more ridiculous.
If these models are misunderstood by the public as you claim, then such ridiculous scenarios should be left to the lab, not plastered on the BBC.
Jesus.
Edit. Stopped a second time when you cite Chris Snowden. Haha. Ok
Even the USA has only just surpassed 500k deaths after 12 months.
Christ, citing the general public as a barometer of anything is scraping the barrel, isn’t it?
Yeah, and lockdowns have worked bloody well over the last 12months.
If by ‘worked well’ you mean ‘have eliminated freedom, justice, human rights, education,love, joy, faith, hope, and charity’.
Happy now, Mayo? Happy that the right side has won?
I think you are relishing your perceived position as the only person who knows the truth surrounded by fools on both side a bit too much. And you haven’t noticed that some are sympathetic and curious about your ideas. I certainly think an argument against lockdown that doesn’t depend on the models being irredeemably faulty would be a valuable one since it would protect us from future lockdowns. I’m going to look up Joel Smalley and David Paton since I’m not familiar with their arguments – I haven’t read a summary of their arguments on this site.
I would say that I’m not sure whether a hypothetical discussion with you and Ferguson would necessarily be that different from what I gather of your views.
You might say: Model says infections peak in June but they actually peaked in March this is because you failed to calibrate your model correctly.
Ferguson: No you are wrong the peak was in March because of lockdown. Everybody else’s models give similar results did they all get their calibration wrong?
You: But lockdowns are ineffective (because there are other factors affecting the transmission rate which are not calibrated correctly in your model / accounted for)
Ferguson: Prove it… I get a perfect fit to observations with my model as it is setup including lockdowns. (I’m not sure it does actually because I can’t see how Autumn resurgence correlates only with lockdown severity but that’s what he is saying I think).
…
It is a fair point that you cannot falsify anything that Feargasm has postulated as there is no alternative universe where the bat cold was just left to its own devices with minimum fuss (in the UK at least like for like)
Unless more evidence that the big scary cold was here long before March 2020 and that may prove interesting
Is the NAAFI open?
Ferguson’s argument is like my late grandfather telling 12 year old me that he sprayed anti-elephant powder on our new home to prevent elephants approaching. Upon being told that there were no elephants wandering free in our area, he replied “well, it clearly works”.
If the UK (or Irish) populations are that stupid……..
A silly post as usual bereft of any detail, references; lightweight.
‘…who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? (Clue: it’s not the sceptics)’
Out of touch and out of date, as you will plainly see for yourself in May………
I never even knew these guys existed:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/national-fraud-authority
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/118460/procurement-fraud-public-sector.pdf
Maybe they will invetsigate Hancock et al and the PPE procurement contracts?
Oh they closed down, shame.
Now this lot:
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/national-economic-crime-centre
Well Dave nails it yet again..depressing as it is..https://www.bitchute.com/video/oFpbYb8keDFw/
Rapists Dad, look him, his wife and his parents in the eye and tell them you are not responsible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56167477
Guess I’m just confused by this comment.
Covid lockdown Scotland: Nicola Sturgeon launches rival roadmap | Daily Mail Online
Turdgeon launches rival roadmap. The tyranny battles commence.
Just shared by PCR Claims. Fingers crossed they’re right.
“All talk of vaccine passports is pure PsyOps and vaccination nudging. The concept is totally ultra vires and they know it! Stay calm it ain’t happening and would be met with overwhelming legal challenge on a scale never seen in this country before. ECHR is totally against too.”
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1364226996897685505
That’s what I think too. Pure psy-op to drive the jabs
Right, or wrong, their mind games won’t work on me.
Would love to think this is correct, however some points. Most of what has been done under the cover of emergency measures has been contrary to human rights and no redress via the courts has been permitted.
Johnson and his team are massively incompetent in the day to day running of the Covid response but masters at avoiding legislative accountability.
Lastly, we should not underestimate the sheer will, power and money behind all this. Power and money make false things true and illegal things possible. Who would have thought a year ago that a whole tranche of the economy could be destroyed, that education could have been suspended for months or that an untested medical treatment could have been launched upon an unsuspecting public with negligible opposition?
The UK appears to have been targeted by the mega rich and aided by our own Parliament and duplicitous cabinet to implement their Agenda’s
Well said. We can’t be complacent
This year has shown that human rights do not exist, because all laws, charters, conventions etc. supposedly enshrining and safeguarding such ‘rights’ can be overridden in an instant if your local tyrants declare an ’emergency’.
normally when a Govt announces a review it usually means it’s being kicked into the long grass
A ticket (for concerts) sales company in Germany announced it will only sell to vaccinated people, they got so much backlash, they turned the next day.
Interessant.
Quick reminder for our Scottish viewers of just how deadly Covid is to young Scottish people.
1 death* under 20 years of age
4 deaths* under 25 years of age
46 deaths* under 45 years of age
Out of a total of 7,006
Source: https://www.opendata.nhs.scot/dataset/covid-19-in-scotland/resource/287fc645-4352-4477-9c8c-55bc054b7e76
*Usual caveats apply. Not all deaths will have been from Covid; merely within 28 days of a positive test.
To add to this 5 deaths under 40 in Northern Ireland. Worst health generally in the UK, worst health service. None under 20. 95% over 65
Thanks, BBRS.
My immediate response upon reading these stats was to laugh out loud, shake my head and think ‘what the fuck are they playing at?’
Bit of light entertainment from Mr Frisby:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7CiT-rA7U
Studying the Napoleonic Wars for tips. Highly recommend!
Have you got yourself a big musket?!
Searching Amazon… all sold out
Try ebay
Do you get a discount for buying in bulk?
BBC
Breaking news
Government announces plans to deal with 50,000 Crown Court backlog
The government spokesperson said “Justice is at the heart of everything we do. Justice delayed is justice denied
From midnight tonight we will introduce new SAGE Courts. The new SAGE Courts will sit as Crown Courts but with additional powers. The new courts are fully endorsed by the Lord Chief Justice
The court will consist of one scientist sitting alone in private
There will be no need to specify a charge
There will be no jury
Legal representation will not be needed
The court will have powers to jail people indefinitely
There will be no right of appeal
The Press will be excluded from the Court and the reporting of proceedings will be illegal
The necessary Statutory Instrument will be laid before Parliament after everyone has gone home this evening
In the past year we have managed to imprison 66 million people using these methods so this should be just a bit of tidying up
We expect these new Courts to work through this backlog in the next two weeks
Further information can be obtained from our website: http://www.banguptheproleswithouttrial.gov.uk
Be careful that the Courts don’t get infected with the new Hancock variant…
Common symptoms include a penchant for spins, lies, and feathering one’s own nest, and an inability to talk out of almost anywhere save from one’s rear end. We’re working hard to pin down this variant so it can be permanently taken out of circulation.
Have to say, Cecil; these are getting more real looking every day.
You did miss sentencing:
“The sentence of this court is that you will be taken from here to the place from whence you came and there be kept in close confinement. You will then be taken to the place of execution and there be vaccinated like fucking crazy until you are dead. And may God have mercy upon your soul.”
I know it is a Cecil story, but I actually clicked on the link!
It is possible you set up a website. the gov.uk I noticed too late.
You forgot the part where Sage where brought in to do some modelling. The models showed that of the 50000 cases 49999 cases were considered non essential and therefore will be quashed. 1 case will be heard on Monday in front of lead scientist sitting alone. Thanks to our SAGE overlords for solving this debilitating problem.
Go Sir Charles!!!!
https://twitter.com/janiepeck/status/1363952454178639875
Should be circulated more widely. Instead of “Protecting the NHS” lockdowns and its collateral damage are storing future problems for our State Religion.
Would be interesting to see how they cope with the tsunami of cancer, stroke, heart disease, mental health issues, self-harm, substance abuse, domestic violence, etc.
They don’t care about those statistics !..
F**king brilliant! Wish that he was my MP, wish that he was Prime Minister
Agree. He’s streets ahead better than my useful as a chocolate teapot MP.
Charles would have sacked Whitty, Valance and Ferguson long ago.
I honestly believe had he been PM he would have listened to them but also listened to other sides of the story and made an informed decision.
Courageous man, he’s right, we all matter, not just those with Covid
That’s why I think that we need to reclaim the BLM acronym – BRITISH LIVES MATTER.
There are not many positives that can be drawn from this debacle, but one surely has to be the rise to prominence of Sir Charles Walker. For that I am certainly grateful. It gives some hope that amoungst the 650 members of the house, there are a few far more worthy than the majority.
I agree. However I also do worry about the man. This is no political posturing as is evident from a recent interview with him for channel 4 at his home. Must be terrible being the lone voice of sanity in an indifferent parliament, living an almost perpetual Mr Smith Goes To Washington scenario. It must be taking a toll, as it is on us of course, but for him in the public eye.
There are others who have similar views to him, I too worry because he has his own mental health issues however I think he is using that as a strength currently to speak out about what is happening.
Thanks for sharing Bart. Have sent on my thanks to Charles.
‘Did anyone ask: is this ethical?’
Arguably the first question for the public enquiry (answer: no-one), swiftly followed by ‘Did anyone ask for a cost/benefit analysis’ (answer: only one person, Jesse Norman)?
Given that government interventions killed over 10,000 people, with court cases to follow, that should put the cat amongst the pigeons quite nicely…….just for starters……
I know its not that relevant anymore – we are locked down until June (at least), lockdown coming again next Winter, vaccine passports on their way and discussion about whether the data is going up or down rather gets in the way of fundamental issues about human rights and free societies…but…
Zoe app registers its largest % drop today. New infections down by almost 50% over yesterday. Maybe they changed the way they count it
I’ve got a uk holiday booked in April and I’m going
But that’s the problem -if your hotel/campsite/cottage has to close you can’t .
On the leaders ‘roadmap’ after April 12th I am ‘allowed’
Until he disallows it because of SAGE
Christmas looked good for a time……..
As someone has posted down the thread, the domestic vaccine passport issue is psyc ops. It will never get through the courts. Travelling overseas is a different matter.
I think its untenable. But I would have thought that about a lot of things in 2019. I think we know they will do whatever they think they need to do and our rights have nothing to do with it. But I think there are too many ‘vacc hesitant’ and there would be too much pushback. Those ‘vacc hesitant’ will be distributed across the community – MPs, NHS etc
They’ve already done it in Israel. I don’t know how you can be so confident.
I heard in Israel they were offering non-alcoholic shots for people getting the vaccine.
What even is that? I really small glass of orange squash?
A picture in the DT showed a can of some 0% lager piss.
how tempting
what’s been done in Israel is by shopping malls on their own initiative but in breach of the lockdown. The problem is it might be copied here.
The lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee…
It’s the gift that keeps on giving….
Trust me, Israel is a very, very different place to here. In fact it is a very different place to everywhere and I say that as someone who lived there for a significant period of time and is very fond of the place.
More LFT less PCR testing. Also I think more and more are not bothering to get tested anymore.
Until the week after next…
Ah yeah schools
light the blue touch-paper and stand well back.
apparently they had to make an adjustment because vaccine symptoms are hard to separate from covid symptoms (they both kill you :)) – so they were overcounting
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-rates-calculation-changed?mc_cid=8da03653e2&mc_eid=f650339ccb
Have done this app since it began and one of the questions is wether you have had a vaccine, when and which one
This has given them a useful data base which must show a number of users experiencing adverse reactions following the vaccine.
95% of users on a recent survey say they have or will take the vaccine.
Zero Covid emails leaked. Gabriel Scally gets a nod of course. These people have an agenda and don’t care if you agree or not
https://gript.ie/look-for-ways-to-increase-insecurity-anxiety-and-uncertainty-zero-covid-document/
Why don’t these people writing to Neil Ferguson ask him why he broke quarantine rules to meet up with his married girlfriend? Or why millions of cattle were culled on his predictions?
Tier 69
I did, he never answered.
Because it would be a distraction from the key issues and simply pointless.
A Short Quiz for Covid Believers
1. Has democracy been the normal system of government throughout history?
2. Have any leaders throughout history tried to overturn democracy in their own country or in other countries?
3. If a democratic country was to become totalitarian, do you think the people imposing that change would admit what they were doing?
4. Or would they claim that all the measures they were taking were for the public good?
5. Would such a political change be achievable if there was a free press, or would the press have to be controlled?
6. Similarly, do you think the state broadcaster in a totalitarian state is impartial?
7. Is the BBC impartial? If you think it is, how do you know?
8. Do you think that ‘hate speech’ is compatible with free speech?
9. When Johnson makes one of his promises, do you believe him? If so, why?
10. Do you think that, in a pandemic, the authorities would suppress the use of drugs that cure the illness in question?
11. Do you think that it would be helpful, in a pandemic, for the authorities to destroy the economy?
12. Do you believe that it is wrong that old people die?
13. Do you believe that we should ruin young people’s lives in order to protect the old? If so, why?
14. Is it acceptable for children to be treated like zoo animals in order to lessen by some small degree the risk of death to other people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgAVkDWD3sA
15. What will be the psychological effects of treating children in such a way? Are you happy for us to find out?
16. Have you always assumed that the UK will always be a free country?
17. Lastly, do you believe that the current situation is temporary? And if so, why?
Good quiz!
Very good, 14 especially.
They could not answer any of them and have not considered any of them.
The normie answer to all of the above is:
“I dunno really”
Just in case you missed it, the law was changed last year from 2 doctors to be in agreement for someone to be committed under the mental health act to now only needing 1 doctors decision before they take you away to have your vaccination as you will be deemed a danger to yourself & others if you don’t have it !! It will be one of their pet doctors I bet , not your own !!
won’t be long before its 1 MP or 1 epidemiological modeller
They can bring as many as they wish when they come for me, but not everyone who arrives will be leaving
I noticed that last year, and noted, with dread, that it involved the administration of drugs.
Evil
This is very disturbing. The reason there were two doctors required was due to the seriousness of taking away anyone’s bodily autonomy and subjecting them to unwanted medication.
Have put on my tin foil hat now and am wondering if the ‘anti-vaxx-ers’ will soon be categorized as mentally ill.
Another “Conservative” Party MP gets some things right, at least. Shame there are so few of them doing it.
Richard Fuller, Member of Parliament for North East Bedfordshire, take a bow!
“The most telling aspect of today’s debate is the focus on specifics, rather than on principle, on trends in data and details of subsidy, rather than of the eager pursuit of freedom, of continuing comfort with the state making choices for us, rather than a clamour by us for the freedom to be responsible for ourselves.
…..
Do we fully appreciate the scale of what we have done?
…..
each of us, rightly or wrongly, has allowed essential freedoms to lapse,and thus been party to the creation of a new, illiberal precedent that may imperil the meaning of liberty for decades to come. We should each reflect on our judgements to determine how we can repair our common heritage of freedom
…..
for the Opposition, to consider why their response to the greatest power grab by the state has been to demand more state, more restriction and more control, a series of cynical tactical moves designed to wrongfoot government in mid-crisis, at best setting out a vision of even greater repression and control whilst heightening public fears and worry.”
https://twitter.com/problem_we/status/1364219555665514501
I’m not prepared to spare
Sodomthe Tories for the few righteous men in thecityparty.Nor me
Party allegiance is all but irrelevant nowadays, because neither party represents conservatives, and neither party represents liberty ahead of coronapanic and lockdown.
Vote “Conservative”, get lockdowners. Vote Labour, get evil zero covid nutters.
In the absence, though, of a viable anti-lockdown party candidate standing for election in your constitutency, it would imo be acceptable to vote for a few individual MPs who have made their positions clear. Most of those have been “Conservative”, but I believe there might be one or two Labour MPs who have come out against lockdown for the right reasons, rather than because it wasn’t strict enough for them.
To even discuss Segregation is a national disgrace, but then Blair never cared about such things and our weak leadership follow like sheep
Hancock still under fire, worth watching the video of the disappearing picture. DM readers not impressed!
‘Now you see it, now you don’t! Matt Hancock REMOVES picture of his local pub from study wall amid Covid croynism row as he defends handing £30milllion contracts to former landlord now under investigation’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290325/Matt-Hancock-defends-30m-Covid-contracts-neighbour-medical-regulator-launches-probe.html
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He’s going to get away with it, the PM protected him in the Commons yesterday and wouldn’t answer a single question from MPS regarding the findings, this has to stop we have a right to know it’s public money!
Is the rumour correct that he’s giving a free drink if you buy a mask when his pub opens?
Nice one!
There is no way he will go.The junta all stand or fall together
Unfortunately you are probably right, but would still like to get that smirk wiped off his face.
In Sasha Swire’s book there was a perfect description of the crook. “Why have Boris and Carrie got a puppy? They already have Hancock”
He is probably the weakest link in the junta because he’s as crooked as a 9/- note.
So we should keep attacking him and as the attacks strike home, the rest will chuck him under the bus to save their poxed hides.
Now you see if I was an evil dictator PM overseeing everything which is happening, my next step would be to drop my 2 fellow protaganist MP in it, in order for them to hang themselves, leaving me no option other than to blame them and get rid. One of my fellow MP’s has been found out about dodgy PPE contracts and it is amazing how the MSM keep running with the story. As to the other one I would put them in charge of a proposed review into a scheme which will go against everything a free country would impose, vaccine passports. I would then seat back and watch.
Yon wee witch has said if we’re all good boys and girls and do as she tells us, we may get put back into those lovely levels, you know the ones she pretends that they are there for all our own good.
Schools we still have no understanding of what pupils and when the pupils go back to school. Blended learning has been mentioned somewhere, what the h… is blended learning? At the moment my grandson receives no learning so they can stick their blended learning in a blender for all I care.
She will keep everyone who allows her to lock them up and imprisoned in their council area for as long as they let them. It will take us back to fighting amongst ourselves as the scaredy cats start moaning about anyone visiting ‘their’ area and spreading the numerous mutant viruses.
It would seem that these mutant strains are not as busy at spreading as first thought as 85% of all positive tests (according to the most reliable source the beloved propaganda machine the BBC) are of mutants ones and they can’t be deadly or spreading faster as ALL positive testing is going down. However the wicked witch has decided that they are deadly, more deadly than down south because we are not getting out of prison. Ever.
I and my family on the other hand will continue to do as we’ve been doing for months. We shall behave like the adults we are and ignore it all to the best of our abilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhwkzHxGEIc Charles Walker in parliament
This from NZ is worth a watch. They’re just about to be ”rolled over” by the ”vaccine” so for them it’s timely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgk-cKxqwU&feature=youtu.be
Sue Grey LLB(Hons), BSc, RSHDipPHI and specialist in emerging issues shares her thoughts and perspectives on the experimental Co-vax, body sovereignty, infor…
Worth supporting in my books:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/legal-challenge-to-the-hotel-quarantine-policy/
Not agreeing with any quarantine measures but this one is completely unjustifiable.
I will not support. The Courts are bent. The politicians and the judges have been sucking each others cocks for centuries
They only concede freedoms when they get frightened
No desire to take part in this charade
I have no problem with that.
According to the covid weekly announced vaccinations spreadsheet of 18th February, 1,023,566 Trust health care workers in England have received a first dose of an experimental covid vaccine by 14th February 2021. I’ve attached a copy of the relevant sheet (vaccinations of Trust HCW) from the spreadsheet.
What I’m not sure about is have all NHS employees been offered the vaccine, including non patient facing roles? The Leicester NHS Trust study seemed to include admin and executive staff who are presumably not classed as patient facing but were offered the jab.
If so that would mean that about 73% of NHS staff have accepted the experimental vaccine? (=1,023,566/1,400,000)
They quote a figure of 88% in the spreadsheet, but is that twisting the data, by assuming no non patient staff have been offered the vaccine. So they are including non patient facing staff in the numerator (the number jabbed), but not in the denominator (total staff offered the jab).
The Leicester Study had an overall experimental vaccine take up of 65% (with no material increase expected to that figure), although they have a high proportion of ethnic minorities amongst their staff and hence would perhaps be expected to be below the national average. So 73% looks about right.
Thoughts anyone?
https://www.derrynow.com/news/derry-news/611895/trust-reveals-30-of-care-home-staff-turned-down-covid-vaccine.html
Thanks.
This is from the same spreadsheet re care homes.
Good info – but where do you get the “(with no material increase expected to that figure)” from – is this quoted in the study?
I had assumed that my local medical staff would be forced to take the vaccine or be fired, and the 70% would rise steadily. If I can tell locals that their own doctors and nurses are refusing the jab, that weighs heavily in the argument.
How many of these bums were actually in parliament today?
Half a dozen tops?
They don’t give a FF because they know we won’t do anything
They have their Stasi to protect them
They are openly taking the piss out of us
Derbyshire police still being stupid authoritarian scum, and the BBC still propagandising for them:
Covid: ‘Horrified’ police break up football match
Except when it’s 20 cops arresting a 92 year old man for disagreeing with the regime.
The world really has gone mad when the Brazilian plods are better behaved than the UK Stasi !!
Hey Mayo. Latest from here. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Just heard an Ad, ‘Are your child’s vaccinations up to date’, we’re in vaccine hell now, it used to be non profit now its open to all the vile crooks, what a world for the young ones to grow up in
“ No guarantee England will end restrictions on June 21, Boris Johnson warns”
Well that didn’t take long.
They’ll be searching for new ones now. He needs to go.
Coercive controller says be grateful for small mercies or it will be even worse…
Just found this site:
https://cvpandemicinvestigation.com/
Boris Johnson calls face masks in classrooms ‘clearly nonsensical’ – YouTube
Covid derangement syndrome – could explain a lot!
Another good article from AIER
https://www.aier.org/article/why-i-believe-that-covid-derangement-syndrome-is-real/
Sir Desmond advocating sanity: https://twitter.com/i/status/1363932997905502210
Charles Walker covering the Mental Health disaster now, and to come. Desmond has clearly been looking at the data and doing his research. Both good men.
He really packs a punch – informed, strong but not ranty
A while ago I sent some questions to this dedicated e-mail address at PHE:
Wn_coronavirus@phe.gov.uk
The original (redacted e-mail and answer is here if anyone is interested) but they do actually quote numbers for the effectiveness of the various vaccines which are referenced in my answer).
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiyxlZRunB8_C0cBi?e=iUACcp
Well I have just received a reply from them which surprised me. It’s not worth much but here is my answer/rebuttal:
PHE put this out today. https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2021/02/23/covid-19-analysing-first-vaccine-effectiveness-in-the-uk/
Their answer was based on this by the look of it.
Did not answer one sngle quetsion ia sked but it is not a FOI e-mail so I’m surprised i got an answer at all.
Basically, they are using opportunity samples rather than RCT sampling protocols
Awkward Git thanks for all your good work. I imagine there is many an FOI administrator that has called you an ‘awkward git’
I’m fascinated that an official health source should be writing gobbeldygook such as this :
“Healthcare workers in the study are tested for COVID-19 every 2 weeks – whether or not they have symptoms”
Errr … you cannot ‘test’ for Covi-19 – only the presence of genetic material related to the SARS virus (allegedly).
“Early data suggests vaccinated people who go on to become infected are far less likely to die or be hospitalised”
… and yet no stringent testing against potential other prophylactic measures? Doh!
“After clean water, vaccination is the most effective public health intervention in the world for saving lives and promoting good health.”
I’m by no means anti-vaccine – where appropriate and proven. But this sounds more like advertising for the industry than a piece of accurate public health information. It really isn’t that simple, even allowing for the fact that clean water gets justified top billing.
Note, finally that the key figures are missing : Absolute Risk Reduction.
I believe the clean water line, is a quote from Uncle Bill.
The coercion to vaccinate is apparently causing horrendous poverty and starvation in the poorer countries, due to the restrictions in travel and exports, so removing them from poverty looks highly unlikely also improving their standard of living, not all have Free money handed out
All unmentioned collateral damage to “our” lockdown battle with the virus.
As well 30% of vaccinated health care staff in several hospitals in Germany, France and 2 in Sweden. And those are the ones which make it into the press.
To Mayo and his 500,000.
But how did they calculate this?
They had a number for how many people died of Covid-19 in China (mostly Wuhan) as of Feb 11th (1,023 deaths).
That’s the numerator in the IFR calculation.
What they needed was an estimate for the total number of people had who been infected
That sounds like something it would be very difficult to estimate, since you don’t know how many people with the virus are asymptomatic or haven’t been tested.
They came up with a solution for Wuhan: count how many people escaping the city by plane tested positive.
This clever idea gave them an estimate for the prevalance of Covid-19 in Wuhan.
To match up with the timing of the death data, they used passenger test results from flights that took place over two days in late Jan/early Feb.
How many flights, you might ask?
Extrapolating from six flights might sound questionable to you. But it gets better.
Out of 689 passengers, only six people tested positive for Covid.
These six people were crucial for estimating disease prevalence, the IFR, and ultimately forecasting death all around the world.”
And let’s not forget the classic confusion of the I and the C as spotted by Malcolm Kendrick…
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/opinion/how-math-mistake-plunged-the-world-into-panic-and-lockdowns/ar-BB18XQQ7
Who said it?
“Because the general rule over human history is that once powers are yielded to the state at moments of crisis or emergency it’s never the case that the state, or very very rarely the case that the state hands them back”
Hancock. Or Raab?
Michael Gove!! What do I win.
You win a cookie
He was telling us he was going to sucker punch us and then did.
A nice spot by BigBrotherWatch.
https://twitter.com/BigBrotherWatch/status/1364213229925367808
Weak-minded or shameless hypocrite?
Like the lefties who claimed a few decades ago, when they thought their side would be the victims of censorship and social exclusion, that they would “defend to the death” the right to say things they hated and that cancel culture (in its old forms of McCarthyism and blacklisting) was “unacceptable”, but now that their side is wearing the jackboots are perfectly happy with those practices.
Vaccines work, even when they don’t exist
Interesting how the numbers seemed to be on a downward trend until something happened in December and they started going up again…
Hi I know those in England are pissed of at Bojo’s glacial unlocking plan. Spare a thought for us in Scotland we have ultra risk-averse control freak FM Nicola Sturgeon suggesting that the deeply cautious scientific advice isn’t cautious enough for her. We are locked in to all intents and purposes till summer. When we come out it will be to a tiered system with the population centres denied hospitality and travel. Sadly our Parliament of salary collectors had no credible challenge. except one backbench Tory. The Tory leader Ruth Davidson missed and hit the wall. She should have asked:
is Scotland not filling the same broad cautious scientific advice as England? if so why with an open border are we not following the same path as England which is itself ultra cautious.
why is the advice of infection Epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse for earlier unlocking in the open with proportionate social distancing for indoor activity being rejected out of hand, whilst the advice of Devi Sheridan and Linda Bauod is listened to. Neither of these could be classed as a life scientist with the heft of Woolhouse?
Why is the good news on vaccine efficacy being played down when any bad news in minor mutations is played up? Given that it protects the old from deisease and death why are the healthy being shut in.
Sturgeon faces the accusations of the Salmond sexual harassment enquiry this week and is also dividing her party with a new transgender policy she expects everyone to sign up to. My theory is that she wants the Covid briefings to go on as long as possible and so do her self-important media hungry advisers for reasons well beyond this under control infection. Our press is supine and bought off with subsidy. Apart for some critical bloggers there is no opposition. The Greens are delighted that air travel is verboten and that cycle lanes are being installed apace.
As I look on at the drench driving rain as I work from home, I realise that this power grab wasn’t temporary. We are now living in a public health police state with joyless public health panjudrums keeping the pubs closed and their eyes closed to real data and real dates. As a behavioural scientists I am ashamed of the profession which is using the darkest of nudging to cajole and control us into compliance.
Closing any form of socialising in Scotland is downright cruel. The weather requires an ability to congregate indoors. It’s barbaric what she is doing to this Country and the supine Scots are worse for taking it.
It’s up to the people of Scotland to vote in an alternative in May. If they don’t then perhaps it is time to leave Scotland to them.
Oh how I wish people would vote out the SNP, but I fear the party will probably win a majority of seats instead. I’ll be leaving Scotland to them soon. Can’t take it anymore.
I really hope the day will come soon when they bitterly regret their actions
You can probably trace a pretty direct line between the joyless Calvinism of John Knox and the joyless Covidism of Turdgeon.
Or perhaps it’s all due to a diet of oats.
I suspect that Pot Noodles have replaced oats. That might be part of the problem.
Have we errr, flattened the curve yet?
it appears to be a memory curve
Just another 3 weeks/months/years/decades/lifetimes.
Delete as appropriate.
Shameless plug but it is a good tune. Made during the lockdowns. This is my mates band and it cheers him up to getting views and likes of their tune so make Dave happy, like and subscribe.
YOUR GOVERNMENT LOVES YOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTN2LFUEndo
and share it around if you can
Bernie’s Tweets
@berniespofforth
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Don’t say I didn’t warn you. I have, many times.
Free citizens are no longer free, if they are discriminated against on the grounds of health within their own country.
We were told this wasn’t happening, when we all knew it was
“Boris Johnson has announced that Michael Gove will lead the review into whether the UK should have a domestic covid vaccine passport system”
Welcome to Mao’s Britain.
Hopefully this will result in the end of Gove and any passport. Of course whilst all the MSM are discussing a domestic passport, they are not questioning any international vaccine passport, the majority have silently accepted that without a whimper.
The silence has been so deafening vax ports seem like a foregone conclusion for international travel.
As any traveller will tell you vaccinations (and the associated proof) have been a requirement for some International travel for years. Nothing to see here. However to go to your local pub????? However the point could be moot as the pub won’t be there.
Except that diseases such as yellow fever are terrible to catch and suffer through and the vaccine was run through the normal, proper trials.
Furthermore, those vaxes were entirely voluntary for and specific to the individual traveler, and never intended to be tied to every other aspect of their lives.
Thanks for that, you wrote my reply for me!
That is a good point, but surely if you really wanted an enterprise finished off for good you would give it to Dido Harding?
True! But getting rid of Gove in the process, I am sure many would take that option.
Hoping he’s going to say they’ll be required. Whatever he says, tends to be not true.
Not worth living
A simplified ‘road map’ sent to me by a drinking pal.
I got sent this twice last night… and I saw that Lozza and James Delingpole both tweeted it too. You look at it and you think, huh, it’s kinda funny and a little bit defiant. But there’s actually something about it that irritates me and I think it’s that it serves to normalize and legitimize this authoritarian Step 1 to 4 crap – it says: yup, this is just how things are now, let’s just grin and bear it and reach for the booze. It seems that every time some really evil shit goes down there’s some tame little meme that pops up in response, whereas the reaction should actually be: “this is all fucking insane.”
just found me a new religion….
”the New Jersey-based Congregation of Universal Wisdom, explicitly forbids vaccinations and even surgery and medicine of any kind. Chiropractor Walter P. Schilling founded the church ― which worships “a Supreme Master of all levels in creation,” according to its website ― in 1975. Schilling lets interested parties apply for membership using a simple form found on the group’s website.”
Can you convert from being a Jedi?
I think you can convert if you send some $s, even Jedis
Do Jedi’s even need jabs?
Well, there’s supposed to be a census next month according to a card I had through the door. If enough of us subscribe to a religion, I believe it becomes recognised a la Jedi.
I AM A JEDI.
Do Jedi-s have any issues with vaccines yet?
To be honest I am not a Star wars geek so I can’t cite any specific examples of injections in the lore, I am just in it for the lightsabres
and the Mind-Melding
I’m going to ignore it again, and dare them to come to the door.
We were having a laugh last night going through the online questionnaire. Currently working on what my gender or religion might be, but I’m certainly going to put that my main language is Polari. Bona to vada your jolly old eek!
There are all sorts of internal inconsistencies too: for example, should you take the forms seriously, it is perfectly understandable if you check both ‘married’ AND ‘divorced’ boxes under whatever that question is (can’t be fagged to look it up).
I wonder if we could convince a certain religion that there are pork products in the vaccines? That would soon bring an end to the nonsense.
In all seriousness, is this a way out? Particularly if I put it on my census response, so it becomes semi-official. We can trap them in their own web of laws re. not discriminating against religions etc.
its worth a pop
Let’s all stop pretending that Neil Ferguson has a conscience. Trying to convince him he’s wrong (through email exchanges no less) is wasted breath. A new fusion of tech, media and government has cast its nets over us. It marshaled its strength during the 2001 foot-and-mouth outbreak (kudos to Lockdown Skeptics for linking to John Louis-Stempel’s UnHerd article about the event) and now has come to full maturity thanks to Covid-19. But we’re smart, right? We can find a way out of this maze? Nope. We like to think of ourselves as the animal who uses tools—language, ideas, computer models. But tools use us. The unappetizing submission of computer geeks like Neil Ferguson to this ugly fate is what makes them prosper in times like ours. Deep down they see that we abhor the stench of burning animals (read Lewis-Stempel’s sickening article) less than we revel in the sheer technological marvel of our divine overlord—computer code.
When I read someone write to him with “I have no doubt you are a decent person” or something like that the sensation I get is similar to screeching nails on a blackboard.
Same here.
I would dispute both words.
So it’s been a bit of a momentous day for me today. I know many of you will think I have been a bit wet for not doing this sooner, but I’ve just come back from Screwfix and B&Q where I went in and DID NOT wear a mask. I was so angry at everything I thought it’s about time I stood up and said no.
B&Q – young girl at the door asked if I had a mask, after we exchanged hellos, I said I was exempt and that was it. I even had a lovely conversation with another masked employee who seemed unbothered standing right next to me and looking at stock levels on my phone. There was also one employee unmasked.
Screwfix – was a bit worried as I’ve been here loads and they might realise that I’d always worn a mask. But nope, not a word said at all and the young man serving was as pleasant as always.
Felt a little victorious and very much liberated.
I know many of you have been doing this from day one. But I haven’t been brave enough till today. But I did it and now I plan on never putting a nappy over my face ever again.
Ding!
Seatbelts sign…off…check
Well done!!
Well done! It feels great doesn’t it? One of my favourite parts of the lockdown was going xmas shopping in December and going on the tube and then around Westfield shopping centre (those not in London – it is a mahoosive shopping centre in Stratford, all indoors) without a mask on the whole time. I walked around like I was ten feet tall.
Well done, better late than never. Two magic words – “I’m exempt”. That’s all it takes. Keep it up. I now often find a more enthusiastic response from shop staff. It’s as if they know it’s all bollox and appreciate us standing up to it. If you feel you need back-up, just buy a sunflower card/lanyard online and keep it in your pocket for if you come up against some nazi. I’ve had one since April 2020 and only needed it once.
jfi, I say “I have exempted myself” followed by “stop harassing me; one more time and you are committing a criminal offence under the 1997 Harassment Act.
Liberating, isn’t it?
Well done.
Great feeling isn’t it to be “free”?
Tis late to hearken, late to smile,
But better late than never.
I shall have lived a little while
Before I die for ever.
A.E. Housman , A Shropshire Lad
And so it begins. That act of rebellion will go a long way. If we all dropped the masks tomorrow the government would be scared to keep doing this. They would get the message.
I can’t blame people for wearing nappies if they’re scared of fines, or nasty reactions from zombies. I know how nasty zombies can be.
But, as the Good Book saith, there is more joy in sceptic heaven over one nappy-wearer that repenteth than over ninety and nine who never put on the foul thing.
Welcome back into the human race, Pilot!
Well done friend/comrade!
Great! You have taken that first step and have been liberated. No going back now
Well done. Once you’ve done it, there’s no turning back.
So, Keir Starmer has urged Johnson not to bow to pressure from the CRG and John McDonnell wants to keep the schools closed. Makes you wonder if these people would like to keep some restrictions going indefinitely. Does Starmer ever consult with Neil Ferguson? It would be interesting to know.
Blairites in full agreement with the Corbynites on panicking over covid, it seems.
Enthusiastic support for the “right wing” lockdown, it appears. If only they had consulted with our resident lefties here who have seen through the cover story and recognised its right wing nature.
A ZERO COVID STRATEGY IS NEEDED TO SAVE LIVES
Socialist Campaign Group of Labour MPs 30th Jan 2021
Signed by
Diane Abbott MP
Tahir Ali MP
Apsana Begum MP
Christine Blower, House of Lords
Pauline Bryan, House of Lords
Richard Burgon MP
Dawn Butler MP
Ian Byrne MP
Dan Carden MP
Shami Chakrabarti, House of Lords
Katy Clark, House of Lords
Jeremy Corbyn MP
Bryn Davies, House of Lords
Mary Kelly Foy MP
John Hendy, House of Lords
Ian Lavery MP
Rebecca Long-Bailey MP
John McDonnell MP
Ian Mearns MP
Grahame Morris MP
Kate Osborne MP
Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP
Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP
Zarah Sultana MP
Jon Trickett MP
Claudia Webbe MP
Mick Whitley MP
Nadia Whittome MP
Beth Winter MP
Tony Woodley, House of Lords.
We need some new opposition
Stat!
“Shami Chakrabarti, House of Lords”
Note the presence of this particularly contemptible little weasel, in amongst the most grossly anti-liberty group of politicians in modern British history.
This worm posed as an advocate of liberty and human rights, as a director of Liberty, from 2001 to 2016, so small wonder that organisation turned out to be such a complete failure during the era of “hate speech” speech-crime laws. As with almost all such leftwing supposed advocates of liberty and human rights, her only concern was how those principles could best be turned and twisted to pushing forward her personal and political agendas.
Now we see the true contempt in which she holds both liberty and human rights.
always up for liberty of the odd political prisoner abroad.
when it comes to the liberty of 60million political prisoners at home. the response from Shami is deafening. Shame Shame Shami .
As as for the rest of the signatories , any list containing Abbot and Burgon has to be a comedy list.
If the schools dont go back soon millions of kids will grow up as thick as those two … Somewhere between two short planks and pigshit on the thickness scale
I prefer a zero-suicide policy – everything else should fit around that
Saves me writing out a new list, I will just name it Appendix ‘A’
“our resident lefties here who have seen through the cover story and recognised its right wing nature.”
Correct, Marcus Oralanus. It’s a fact that we have constantly pointed out – this is factually a right wing scam, using typical right-wing populist methodology (‘the enemy within’) that no decent democratic libertarian ‘lefty’ should fall for. The roots are clearly in the Thatcherite grovelling to financialization and global corporate wealth.
We have no problem in telling it as it is, and noting the similarity between the obsessive self-identifying right here (aka ‘The Trumpettes’) and the Tooting Trots that you find on ‘Skwawkbox’ (aka ‘Wolfies’) – both paddling around in the toddlers’ pool of political philosophy.
Both tend to spend more time exploring their respective fundamental orifices than tackling the issue in hand, with a shared mindset that is stuck in the simplicities of the right/left time warp.
Left right, Left right, Left right, Left right, HALT!
“Correct, Marcus Oralanus.”
Gosh, that’s clever, RickH. Toddler level personal abused thinly concealed beneath a veneer of latin. Al Johnson would love it!
“noting the similarity between the obsessive self-identifying right here (aka ‘The Trumpettes’) and the Tooting Trots that you find on ‘Skwawkbox’ (aka ‘Wolfies’) – both paddling around in the toddlers’ pool of political philosophy.
Both tend to spend more time exploring their respective fundamental orifices than tackling the issue in hand, with a shared mindset that is stuck in the simplicities of the right/left time warp.”
Do you really think this kind of childish personal abuse is useful?
Perhaps you could instead explain how it is that you and a couple of other leftists here have seen what has so obviously eluded all the elected representatives whose praises you were no doubt singing when you thought they might have a chance of forming the government of this country.
But that would require substance rather than empty, childish abuse. Not your strong point on this topic, evidently, presumably because you know you have no leg to stand on.
I went to sleep one night and the following morning woke up in Nazi Germany
Most of the people I had known all my life had joined The Party and wore The Party badge
The people had made hatred the centre of their existence. They denounced and betrayed with all the enthusiasm of the lynch mob
Scientists plotted, told lies, and dreamt up ways of making money out of killing people
Doctors now hated patients. Hospitals now hated the sick. Teachers now hated children
The courts hated justice
Neighbour hated neighbour
Politicians hated everyone
People with money made more money
Biographies of successful people often claim that they benefitted by wise and encouraging words from their parents or teachers
My parents , worn out and dying early after decades of interwar recessions ,WW2 and the never, never ending rationing and shortages that followed had just these words for me:
“money goes to money ”
“evil always wins” .
Never more true than today.
Evil didn’t win then.
Evil won’t win this time.
And people who looked different, or had the wrong ‘blood’, were persecuted.
Feels just like home.
Yes, I have felt like this for months. It’s awful and we must fight back.
Perhaps the best way to approach this is to note how most of us here actually would not have been the type of German who went along with the authorities. I take great comfort in that thought.
Question to the Vaxxists. By Feb 14th, 94% of over 70s in the UK had been jabbed.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833
There are 8.8 million 70+ in the UK. 6% unvaxx’d equals 528.000.
Since Feb 14th we have had 4.000 dead from the Rona, average age still over 80.
So are the Vaxxists telling me that the 4.000 dead are from the unvaxx’d 528 K? This is 0.75% mortality rate for that group (still very very low isn’t it?).
Is there any proof to that claim?
Or to question another way, if 94% of the old are jabbed, who the hell is now dying from the Corona and why?
(does the vaxx not work, does it take ‘weeks’ to work, are the dead from the vaxx counted as Rona-dead?)
Maybe the Fake News and the sociopaths running this prison, might like to find out?
Something strange going on in Sweden
‘Sweden reverses its coronavirus facemask scepticism and urges people to wear them on public transport, at work and in shops as cases surge’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9291235/Sweden-reverses-coronavirus-facemask-scepticism.html
I would be wary of putting too much stock into what’s reported in the UK press about Sweden. Even according to that article masks are only being recommended with no mandates as yet.
Agree, but find it a bit worrying given that they are reportedly heavily into ‘vaccine passports’ . Can’t help but feel they have been got at.
“facemask scepticism“
I thought it was just that allegedly popular pursuit of ‘following the science’
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
7-da moving average of ‘covid deaths’ is now 4 in Sweden
0.4 per million per day.
Compared to 480, or about 7.5 per million per day in the UK
The 7-day moving average of ‘cases’ in Sweden has increased from about 2800 3 weeks ago to about 3500 now.
However the share of cases which is positive has been declining since the first week of January meaning that the increase in absolute numbers of ‘cases’ is driven exclusively by massively increased testing.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=~SWE
It’s nonsense.
Think the masking is politicians trying to muscle in and claim credit for “beating” the virus. If the increased “cases” don’t lead to increased hospitalisation etc it could be the vaccines that are causing the ripple.
There is no surge in cases in Sweden and deaths are counted on the fingers of one hand.
Sad.
But urges, not coerces.
Right now we have a parallel investigation starting into what caused the Pratt & Whittney PW4000 engine failure on the United Airlines Boeing 777.
Expect excrutiatingly detailed analysis and audit trails along with precise problem attribution and recommended actions.
Basically the opposite of the Covid response
Yes, precisely. Proper practical science.
Incidentally, from your Q days do you remember the Nimrod Review? That wasn’t proper science – it was redolent of the covid response.
I do just barely. It was a lot of finger pointing. It wasn’t my area either but it was political nonetheless. A lot of good engineers left after that I believe. Disillusioned.
I left not long before, and not my area either. But the visceral dishonesty of that safety review was already evident everywhere I looked.
I see huge parallels between my experiences in q at that time and what I’m seeing on a much larger scale now.
Really great comparison mhcp, thank you.
I wonder if anyone else ever saw this really good documentary/film a few years ago?
The story of how Richard Feynman (William Hurt), one of America’s most famous scientists, helped to discover the cause of the space shuttle Challenger disaster.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00zstkn
whole movie – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT7Yx5kxYco
It’s described really well in the book Genius too. You get more of how Feynman really didn’t like the airs and graces of those in power and relied more on talking to the real engineers and scientists.
The quote: “reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled”
The fat lardy bag of poop’s roadmap to freedom feels like a 4 month long slsdgehammer with an extendible handle that is smacking me in the head. Not such a good day today with the weight of another 4 month’s of lockdown bollocks with still no real end in sight.
No – agree – shit day
This Government is Evil. That’s all I have to say.
You’ve summed it all up. Say no more.
I’d be happy to pluralise that too.
Was talking to my boss just now (Teams Call – not in person unfortunately).
She told me that in the area of rural Ireland where she is from originally (won’t say where as it would only set the police on them), the local priest does his Zoom mass on Sunday and then receives people in the church to take communion. Apparently people are driving from miles around to partake.
What pisses me off about Ireland (many things but this is one of the big ones) is how people will claim compliance and even lash out at those overtly not complying with the rules, whilst all the time breaking the rules themselves. If they were all to visit the local Garda (police) and explain to him/her that they were no longer welcome in the community due to their behaviour, this shitshow would be over tomorrow.
Hypocrisy is not unique to the Irish! I see plenty of it here and elsewhere in the world.
Totally agree about the need to break through this double standard and stop the madness (now).
Just fired this off:
Kathryn Stone OBE
Commons Parliamentary Standards Commissioner
standardscommissioner@parliament.uk
Great stuff as ever AG
Probably failed to detonate like the other 5 billion emails that went straight to spam. Come on people do you really think sending an email to one of your abusers begging them to stop abusing you is a winning strategy, wake up ffs.
But it’s doing something constructive and it’s logged and registered for if/when an inquiry happens or I meet one of these fuckers in a dark alley one day.
Rioting will just play into their hands and justify harder lockdowns and removal of rights.
Or will you just sit on your arse in your onesies playing X-box and Playstation in your bedroom and moaning on social media that deliveroo took too long to deliver your food and comparing masks and asking advice on which one goes with what outfit?
What positive advice do you have then?
Getting angry is constructive, keyboard warriors writing emails is self-defeating.
I’m sure awkward git is angry. The fuck you on about?
fuck you back, you think writing emails to your jailers pleading for your freedom will win your freedom back? Take a long hard look in the mirror, do you see a dupe?
What are you on about??? I am furious as to what is happening as are many on here. However, as it stands we don’t even have 30% of the population anywhere near angry enough. Anyone I try to influence has the blinkers on.
Getting angry is constructive,
Is it? Is it really? Not if getting angry is all that you do. Do you think Hancock is crouching in the corner, biting his nails and quivering because he some how got a telepathic message that Anti-socialist is angry?
Dont think so. Whereas an email passionate or completely objective would tell him that there are people out there tracking him and his antics and where there is one there will be more – and he has nowhere to hide.
AG is a stalwart lockdown sceptic who has rattled very many cages as far as I can tell.
AG, you can also add Lying to Parliament about:
Mad Hancock told Parliament that he had commissioned a study into vitamin D and found it had no effect. No such study existed. He lied.
That was not a mistake. That was not ‘Dominic Cummings ate my homework so it’s late’. That was not passing lucrative contracts to his mates.
The vitamin D lie was deliberate and potentially devastating. Most of those who got very sick and died with Covid were vitamin D deficient. A cheap supplement could have saved at least some of them and possibly made the disease far less nasty to many others.
Some interesting worm turning going on. Even that bastion of vitue-signalling, wokeness and self-delusion, Mumsnet, a worm so big it wouldnt be out of place in a movie version of Dune, seems to be filling up with comments on our side……personal responsibility, a sense of proportion about risk, bedwetting teacher abuse etc.
Doesnt mean anything really, but its quite a surprise……
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4173454-In-two-weeks-pupils-can-safely-return-to-school
Encouraging.
Who trolls mumsnet?
that snakepit? no chance
In the early days (last year) I remember they had threads regarding the NHS not responding to emergencies due to Covid and a number of comments from nurses etc. Maybe should have saved them.
I read that. The forum police were trying their best to discredit the claimed nurses.
I love the Dune reference!
Let’s hope the ‘worm’ is turning. I’m cautiously optimistic that spring will bring a change.
The road map is first and foremost a plan for making sure the people in government can claim to have saved the country from a deadly virus, that it was their actions that saved us and to crush any notion that this would have come and gone by itself and that measures were a waste of time.
In short it is a plan to cover up the atrocities they have committed.
And to gain loads of pats on the back at the G7 in June.
Dictatorships are hard to dismantle because partly because dictators fear the retribution. This one is no different.
As for the G7, they should let China into the club. There is no difference now between them.
Yesterday’s UK Column had an excellent breakdown how the Davos gang are funding policy wonks to sit around and write policy papers saying the West should be like China.
And that has been the plan since the second week of April 2020. The likes of Ferguson are complicit because the truth would not only destroy them but also the reputation of their institutions.
Ferguson is a patsie an out of his depth, incompetent narcissist who thinks with his penis, another one captivated by a vapid blonde leftist.
They knew they’d fucked up in April. They’ve been digging ever since.
No it is first and foremost to stop the frogs from noticing they are being boiled
You attribute them with too much intelligence, the whole scam is about greed & ego, Tories fill their pockets with yet unpaid
taxesextortion money. Whilst one of the planets most infamous psychopaths, has quietly built an empire of poison to make every soul on the planet a money spinner, in a way he never could with his flawed operating system, presumably he got the inspiration from the virus ridden software he once pedalled, which he stole from others! It’s about profit & control.The Tories have reached new levels of evil.
Labour et al the same, no difference.
Don’t worry I have a special kind of HATE reserved for socialism.
All politicians in my case no matter what their political believes.
I’m no fan of centralized governance period.
After a hard week a new episode out now!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/8013036-ep-21-the-rocky-road
The boys are back to discuss the plan for recovery and the opening of lockdown as promised by our illustrious, all knowing leader Kim Jong Boris. We talk about ramped up testing and associated problems. School children being forced to test and wear facemasks. We delve into FUEU. Plus we read your uplifting emails and look to the future!
Shall we put in a complaint of fraud against Matt Hancock and his contracts to mates to these guys:
https://www.sfo.gov.uk/contact-us/reporting-serious-fraud-bribery-corruption/
This is the sort of thing they claim to investigate.
Covid-19 is one big fraud.
Ohhhh fuck, I told ya the road map wouldn’t last the weekend.‘It’s on all of us’: UK health secretary warns Covid-19 restrictions rollback may be slower than PM’s roadmap.
Time to abide by Article 61 of Magna Carta. It is now your duty to defend this country from High Treason and Sedition.
The first rule of the roadmap is that there is no roadmap.
Step 4 will never happen. Step 3 may temporarily happen but later than on the promised timeline and only then very briefly.
The only way out of this is for the British people to ignore the government.
We are trapped in a game of snakes and ladders where some bastard has stolen all the ladders and given us a dice with big fat zeroes on it. We need to get out of the game.
That’s an excellent analogy. Getting out of the game might mean physical death, and I’m up for that if it’s the only option left. I’ve already withdrawn from the external world to such an extent that to go that one step further is really not that big of a deal.
And every snake sends us back to 23rd March 2020. This will only end when enough players tire of the game.
Yes, I agree. The ‘roadmap’ is more bullshit and the only way out is for people to say ‘enough’s enough’ and just get on with their lives. I’m cautiously optimistic that things are moving that way. We’ll see in March.
I thought it was quite funny Ferguson links to a “Conspiracy Theory” guide on a Climate Change website of all places.
What has been the result of the surge testing? Much variant found?
Would that be Variants of concern or just the regular types?
Suspiciously quiet, isn’t it.
Im sure there is no shortage of willing “guinea pigs” so more likely not finding anything very much.
very similar to Liverpool and Merthyr pilots.
Not been on telly at all so I guess it found nothing and it’s hoped it’s all forgotten about.
Sometimes the biggest news is what’s not in the news.
Reading between the lines.
‘Well, its something to look forward to isn’t it‘
This was the response by a member of the public who was asked by a radio interviewer what they thought about Boris Johnsons exit strategy that will not see lockdown measures removed until around May.
Incredible.
In a way it’s incredible, but in a way it’s not
I know very intelligent people who are fairly sceptical and would vote to reopen everything omorrow, who are optimistic and looking forward to restrictions being lifted
People don’t want to believe that things will stay shit because it’s a horrible thought, and they don’t want to be seen as whingers
Do you not think this one will be the final straw though. If they don’t lift the restrictions this time people will surely face the reality of the tyranny we are facing?
To me this has to be the last can kicked down the road?
You’d think
I felt like the last can had been kicked down the road in May last year
I agree, but I really feel the normies that I talk to are hanging on to this plan. If it’s pulled as I expect it will be they will at least stop siding with the government. I hope.
Exactly! This is how I feel after Mr Johnson’s announcement. There is no way that he can now backtrack from this plan. Before it was all two steps forwards and one back. At my lowest points this past year I have felt utter despair that we would actually never get out of this.
Watching this new authoritarianism sail in on the back of this exaggerated pandemic with the obedience of the masses has shaken my trust in the common man being of good sense. That will leave a scar but I actually feel better today unlike many here, knowing that this really is the ‘last can’ as you put it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he reverses it but i’d just be happier for the public to wake up as I think it would do.
We all waited for widespread civil disobedience last year which did not happen. The brainwashing was highly successful. This year, if people don’t get the summer they expect there will be big trouble.
I did not expect it last year because this thing was too new. However, people will inevitably get sick of it and yearn for a more normal life this year.
I think it’s possibly the last time they can kick the can using Covid as a reason. After this they’ll have to come up with something else – cyberterrorism, eco-disaster or induced financial collapse is my guess.
I don’t think people will buy the cyber and eco thing quite the same especially after this debacle. The invisible scary virus was just too alluring for the normies.
All of those are risky strategies. And I agree, using Covid is passing its sell-by date and there are limits to public gullibility. Believe it or not.
I figure they will drop the power grid and zero everyone’s accounts.
But what they boradacst is cherry picked to meet what the narrative they want to portray is.
Notice how not one “news” show ever interviews any dissenting opinions?
Strange that isn’t it?
Not one dissenter?
I’m not the only ex-teacher on here who is absolutely horrified by the idea of pupils having to wear masks in classrooms.
My classroom, in a 1930s building, was unbearable during June and July when the sun shone. There were blinds at the windows which trapped in the heat or, if the windows were open, the blinds would flap in the wind. I did have a couple of small fans in the room but they just redistributed the warm air.
Teaching and learning in those suffocating conditions, while children are forced to wear masks, is akin to torture. I hope schools are equipped with large medical rooms. They will need them.
In addition, how on earth will it be possible to teach foreign languages for example, when the teacher cannot hear the pupil’s pronunciation and is unable to lip read because the pupil is wearing a mask?
Teachers are as feeble as the rest of the population. They will go along with what the shrill few demand and will comply so as not to be seen as troublesome.
It just.looks worse when teachers do it because their weakness leads directly to the torture.of children.
It looks even worse when parents do it.
Not a teacher, but in full agreement with you.
As a bus driver, we have a couple of regular routes that carry quite a large number of schoolkids. (when the schools are actually open that is)
These kids, depending on where they live can face up to a half hour journey each way to school and back. Masked up of course, by order of the Government
So from approximately 7:45am to 4:30pm these kids are going to be compulsorily muzzled.
Surely people can see that this is not right.
Which is pretty much what Johnson said himself just a few short months ago.
https://fb.watch/3R03FQF7Db/
Foreign language teaching to muzzled victims is utterly impossible.
Wholeheartedly agree (as a former language teacher).
I’m an ex-teacher and fully agree with you.
It will be interesting to see how kids will try to subvert this. They’ve found ways around sanitiser so it will be with muzzles.
The share of ‘test’ results which were positive in the UK fell from a peak of 12.8% on January 4th to 2.2 % on F_ebruary 18th
Seasonal.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=~GBR
Peak of infections actually in December…
Not been the same since they left their spiritual home.
Reminds me a bit of Southampton, The Dell to St Mary’s. Fans so close to pitch intimidated opposition
I was against the use of sharks in the vaccine, but wasn’t expecting it to lead to this!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290591/The-real-life-baby-shark-Mutant-fish-born-human-face.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
Rubbish.
Oh well, it’s tomorrow’s fish n chips
I have just been delivering some ‘Back to Normal’ postcards and someone came up to me and thanked me for the leaflet. We had a short discussion without any anti-social distancing and then shook hands – he said it was the first time he had shaken hands for a year!
It made it all worth while and it cheered me up no end!
The same thing happened on Sunday afternoon and I did get the contact details from him so I hope to get someone to help me.
I know that people here are continually saying that our message is getting through but it is difficult to believe that at times; it often seems like wishful thinking.
Then one encounters incidents like this.
Keep plugging away!
Brilliant. Well done!
Doz
The down vote is me, and I can’t change it, an up was mentioned. Bloody iPad
Lindy if you ever vote by mistake you can vote the other way to cancel it out.
WOW! No seriously I’m blown over at what little makes people satisfied! I DON’T WANT THE OLD NORMAL, I want total freedom & control over my life & I’m ready to fight for it not shake fucking hands in surrender.
Met 2 more sceptics at the weekend – hand shakes when we met – hugs when we left for home.
Bloody great.
Thanks for this – the best thing I have read all day! You are making a real difference.
Thank you and well done!!!!
Ol’ Man River (Showboat)
The vax situation in France:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/france-considers-slowing-vaccine-rollout-for-hospital-staff-with-many-unable-to-work-following-jab
And Israel:
“Hot off the Israeli press: 50 pregnant women in israel are in hospital , 8 in critical condition, one just died! This happens in a country that vaccinated half of its population. The most crucial question is what is it that the vaccinated trigger in their environment. I also read on Israeli social media reports from israel about babies refusing to be breastfed once the mother is vaccinated .. also saw Israeli reports on women bleeding heavily following vaccination.. I am not a doctor but all of that is worrying .. it is pretty clear to me why half of the Israelis refuse to vaccinate despite the insane government pressure..”
And Germany:
German Attorney Reiner Fuellmich, …… recently published an interview with a whistleblower who works inside a nursing home in Berlin.
The interview is in German. …. The whistleblower describes how German soldiers accompanied nurses to administer the vaccines, and that there was no informed consent, and some who resisted were vaccinated anyway.
The whistleblower then gives first hand knowledge of how the health of the residents rapidly declined soon after vaccination, resulting in 8 of the 31 residents dying within a few weeks.
While these residents reportedly suffered from dementia, they were allegedly all in good physical health prior to the injections. They had also tested negative for COVID, but began to test positive after the injections.
According to the whistleblower’s first hand knowledge and observation, the deaths of these seniors were “inhumane.”
“Normally, the person dying would eventually accept their approaching death and – perhaps after seeing a loved one for the last time – go in peace.
Dying as after vaccination, however, was different, he said.
The old people he had seen dying had breathed heavily, trembled strongly, and seemed as if inwardly they had passed away already. It seemed to him like a lonely, futile struggle against death, as if the people knew that their time had not yet come, and therefore they had not yet been able to let go.”
Attorney at Law Viviane Fischer filed a criminal complaint with the public prosecutor’s office, and informed the police as well.
Do you have the link for the Israel quote?
Even after every mad thing that has happened this year, I still cannot believe that there have been people arguing for pregnant women to be vaccinated, with zero safety checks for this group. Kids, same.
The lack of perspective or knowledge. They’ve really ruined things.
It just shows how selfish the zealots are, they do not care one jot about any damage from lockdown, masks and now jabs. They believe they are 100% right and to hell with any problems to other people.
Horrendous. I read yesterday that a pregnant twenty something in Poland went for a jab “to protect her baby”, despite her doctor’s warning. She miscarried the next day. Nothing to do with the jab of course.
Vaccines are now the leading cause of coincidences.
Good summary. The government has also obfuscated the difference between law and guidance and has allowed the clarification of points of law and guidance to be done off the cuff by ministerial decree, eg Gove clarifying on air how long the unspecified period of daily exercise should be.
Or `Hancock off the cuff in a television interview asserting that sunbathing was illegal.
I also think the guidance v law is one of the main things which defines those of us on LS and the zealots. We all take the time to find out the differences between the SI’s and the “guidance”. If the zealots realised that most of which they have been abiding by and snitching on those who have not was not actually law, I wonder if their minds may have be changed, I doubt it but does show what fools they have all been.
Don’t know if posted already, Joel Smalley taking on the claim that the tax is working spectacularly
https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1364135728041652224
You mean the vax
Smalley is right of course. The vax does work but it’s too late to make any difference because the winter peak has already passed.
The place it will make a difference is AU and NZ.
But still I’d rather the BBC believe it’s all because of the vax because it may prevent them drifting towards hysteria about variants and wanting lockdowns forever. It’s too much to expect them to grapple with anything as subtle as the actual truth.
All the vaccines work fine against all the variants by the way. In fact a recent infection by a far more distantly common cold coronavirus works almost as well as a vaccine at keeping you out of the ICU (though much less well at preventing you getting ill at all).
Ooops, vax n tax!
I guess all eyes on Au and NZ as they go through autumn and winter.
Love her or hate her, KH does a better Boris than Boris! https://youtu.be/j2-Xq0qZg7Y
Just needs a lot of padding for the full effect
Anyone believe that the virus is still the issue? At the beginning Whitty described how it would affect the majority, which was very little, then those with agenda’s got in on the act and it was all weaponised, into what we have now. Culminating in Blair’s push to get domestic ID. He has tried in many ways but failed, hopefully it will again. But it no longer seems like the virus has anything to do with the lockdowns, removing of freedoms etc.
The big elephant in the room is was it ever about the virus?
Then the Mammouth in the room must be, was there ever a virus or were the deaths really from existing and traditonal causes. After all, what evidence do we really have it existed other than a fraudulent test and their word. No other evidence, such as the actual virus, has ever been produced.
True. If “it” had never been given a name and 2020/21 had been spoken about as a bad year for flu/respiratory illnesses none of this would have happened.
Of course not!!! It’s about selling vaccines – huge business!
Medicine for profit is about as UNETHICAL as you can get!
We shall be writing an email to our children’s school very soon, expressing our feelings regarding masks and testing. I expect the content may well include,
Can the school guarantee that my child will not suffer physically, emotionally and mentally from mask wearing and testing? Have they done a risk assessment? Do they have a clue about the longer term effects of wearing face covering and living in a society without smiles? Do they have a clue how unhygienic children and young people are with masks? Do they understand the side effects on anxiety levels of constant testing. Unless I can have these questions answered to my satisfaction and a signature from the Headteacher accepting full liability for any side effects, then my children will attend school unmasked and we will refuse all testing.
We may of course just need to ask for exemptions, it depends on whether the school will play ball and give us those first.
One does not ask for an exemption, one asserts one is exempt.
Good point
Spot on Steve. Why don’t people know this?
I do not know. The government could not have been clearer. It is obvious from the law and even more clearly spelt out in the guidance.
Just tell them that your kids are exempt. School have a duty to care for all children and if you say it will affect their mental health it should be end of. My son’s school have so far been excellent in this regard. Good luck.
Agree. It’s the same with work and my employers have been excellent in that regard.
Here in Ontario, Canada they are treating exempt children horribly. Harassing them constantly for not wearing a mask, segregating them, or simply saying no to exemptions and forcing the kids online. There is a class action lawsuit in the works, but I don’t think our courts are functioning and I wouldn’t trust that arm of the government to come to the rescue anyway. It’s just appalling.
Those teachers need to be given the treatment if we ever get through this.
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Actually, what I’ve read about Mussolini he basically was a right wing authoritarian who cared about the health of his people, so maybe I should take that back. Not an antisemite, apparently. But it was the best hanging photo I could find.
You should also ask if the teacher/nurse who will do the testing will take personal responsibilty for any physical damage done to your children by sticking a probe up their nose. Ask the same of the headteacher.
Ask them how they intend to deal with any illnesses that will result school-wide, e.g. mask mouth, sinus problems, rashes, tooth decay, acne, etc.
What is the position on exemption for children? Presumably the parent simply states on behalf of his/her child ‘my child is exempt’ and that must be accepted in law under the DD Act in the same way it would be if an adult stated it? Otherwise is there a possibility Little Johnny could be taken into the headmaster’s study and asked why he doesn’t wear a mask?
Yes I told school my son is exempt no further detail than that. He has had his fair share of hassle from lunchtime staff who were ignorant of any exemptions. They told him his friends wear one to protect him so he should wear one. School took that quite seriously. It didn’t happen again.
Everything settled and teachers accepted he is exempt. Until very recently when one questioned his exemption… he couldn’t remember what I’d told him so just said my mum said I am. Made me laugh . I just feel for him when he’ll be surrounded by half faces all day instead of just between classes…
https://www.powertothepeopleuk.com/blank-page
Lots of letters in here, including ones to schools to decline testing and masks
Don’t do it – just say no.
Excellent, Liberty!
Ask school if they accept long term liability for any children that get lung cancer or other respiratory ailments given masks known role in increasingg these ailments and diseases.
If they won’t accept long term liability that means they know masks are unsafe.
https://science.news/2021-01-15-long-term-mask-use-breeds-microbes-lung-cancer.html
DM readers give thumbs down to future use of facemasks
How long will we REALLY need to wear face masks for? SAGE adviser says we could still be using them in five years out of habit – while Sir Patrick Vallance claims they may be necessary to curb Covid next winter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290195/Graham-Medley-quotes.html
Best rated Readers Comment 801 upticks 43 downticks
‘It will never be a ‘habit’ with me. Itchy uncomfortable things and of course, entirely useless at halting viruses’
they should be voluntary, let the sheep go around looking like twits, I don’t intend to ever let one touch my face.
Well said. If they want to inflict themselves with chest infections, bacterial pneumonia, dermatitis, impetigo, hypoxia, etc, be my guest. Just don’t expect others to follow.
Don’t forget their role in increasing lung cancer as well:
https://science.news/2021-01-15-long-term-mask-use-breeds-microbes-lung-cancer.html
“A new study finds that cultivation and enrichment of microbes on the face can infiltrate the lungs through unconscious aspirations and cause inflammatory responses and advanced stage lung cancer. The nose and the mouth were designed to take in oxygen without strain, uninhibited. The oxygen travels down the trachea and splits off into two tubes called the bronchi. From there, the oxygen travels down a series of bronchioles until it reaches the alveoli, which are tiny air sacs covered with blood vessels. These air sacs take the oxygen directly to the heart, where it is dispersed throughout the body.
When a person exhales, the process is put in reverse and the lungs exhale carbon dioxide. This carbon dioxide gas is the vehicle that allows the organ systems to rid the body of wastes. When this process is obstructed or restrained for prolonged periods of time, the lungs and the heart struggle to nourish the rest of the body. Long term mask wearing also hinders the body’s natural ability to detoxify wastes, creates an acidic environment, and slowly strains the organ systems throughout the body.
Masks are priming the lungs for inflammation and lung cancer pathology”
Me neither
SAGE ought to keep their traps shut and their noses out of leaking or proposing policy
And the weasel politicians ought to tell them to stay out of politics
Yes and this is where Patrick Vallance has been a complete failure. He should have kept the SAGE lunatics in line and banned off-line public announcements
Wancock coming out today saying “roadmap” may change, then SAGE bleating about masks, it is the same old same old. They obviously didn’t get all their way with the “roadmap” so out they come with more scary predictions. I can read them all like a book.
I think they need a satnav, not a roadmap, if they’re that bad at navigation.
They couldn’t navigate their way out of a cardboard box.
It’s child’s play isn’t it, so predictable!
If it’s just out of habit, then it’s nothing to do with “need” is it? What’s he on about?
If twats want to wear them to feel safe, then whatever. As long as it’s not mandated.
Yes, I don’t mind people wearing them if they want to, but when I see them wearing them when driving alone in cars it just cracks me up.
Never fails to amaze me how the majority of people don’t mind wearing these bastard things.
To be frank I think most people who wear them feel pressurised to do so rather than risk criticism through nit doing so.
One for lefties What Is Bill Gates Up To? Jimmy Dore.
I think you would call me a leftie so I had a look. JD agrees with the other guy that BG is a cnut. I also agree. What has this to do with left and right? You occasionally say wise things A_S but 60% of the time you ruin your argument by using terms like ‘woke’and lefty’. Have you thought about counselling for this issue?
Get a life, stop being a lefty troll, you’re in good company with Jimmy Dore.
You’re talking to the politically deaf and blind, I’m afraid.
Self-pleasuring in La La Land tends to be more important than the hard reality of the current situation.
I’m in a zero tolerance mood for collectivist ideologies today be warned.
All leftists are fundamentally evil. That evil is just brewing for a chance to come to the surface.
Socialism in Ireland today. Just 9 more weeks. Psychos
Psychos, right. Socialists not right. Your score: 1 out of 2. Must try harder.
Yeah they no longer resemble what they claim to.
I had an excellent lecturer when I studied my MSc 10 years ago. He was ultra left wing, taught me a lot about power in the world. I googled him the other day and was happy to see he’d done a Tedx talk 6 months ago.
I couldn’t believe it, Build Back Better throughout. Totally turned.
It makes me realise how strong the allure is to this stuff.
Yes, there is no way the lefties I knew at school and university 30 years ago would have stood for lockdowns. They would have seen it as a Tory plot and would have been out with Piers Corbyn fighting with the coppers in Trafalgar Square.
Excellent article from Jeffrey A Tucker at AIER – light at the end of the tunnel.
https://www.aier.org/article/how-does-all-of-this-end/
One for the righties Lockdown plan: ‘The government keep moving the goalposts’talkRADIO’s Mike Graham
A little light relief, in the form of a twist. Karens instead of zulus, starring notable LD sceptics.
https://youtu.be/J2pRhYJ4mdc
Might be lockdown sceptics, but there’s a few vax fanatics in that list.
Nowt stranger than folk.
I am jealous. How did they find so many sceptics to get into one room?
When is the 1922 Committee going to do its job and fire Johnson? The man is insane.
Our Mp’s need to be inundated with letters/emails informing them that you have joined one of the new parties
When they are sure they have the numbers to succeed. If a vote of no confidence is defeated, then waiting 12 months as per the rules will be a long time.
The Covid Recovery Group has more than enough votes.
I actually think Graham Brady has the 55 he needs already, but they have to make sure either the PM knows the vote will go against him and jumps first, or there is such high numbers in the vote of no confidence, the PM and those who have been as much to blame know they have nowhere to run. There is no point in calling the vote to only succeed in replacing the PM with another MP who follows the same course. The replacement must have the full support of all the Tory MP’s in order to change the narrative totally and more importantly never return to it.
Insane and dangerous, that’s the problem!
Not while the general public is still onside I’m afraid.
That’s fake news. NO ONE wants this. He will be gone within weeks. Rishi waiting in the wings…
Hopefully so, taxi for Johnson.
Sunak just the same as PM, he needs to go too. Charles Walker, Graham Brady or Desmond Swayne would be much better.
Omg I want to install Charles Walker as PM
permanently!! The only decent MP in the whole House! But he’d never win. It’ll be Rishi or Gove. Rishi lesser of two evils
I agree about Charles. Sunak or Gove would be worse than Johnson imo and is one of the reasons why I think there is no move from the 1922, well no move openly, I am sure there are things going on in the background.
Sunak brings an inexperienced yes man with no balls, Gove brings with an even more 100% move towards all things “green” than Johnson is currently spouting, in addition to more lockdowns. I said earlier until the 1922 can ensure a replacement is NOT from the current cabinet or very pro lockdown MP’s they will not show their hand.
Not if the views of Daily Mail teaders are anything to go by. Overwhelmingly hostile of late, same for DT traders and, to a lesser extent Sun Readers. The natives are very restless.
Teachers in support of abusing children should be struck off!
I don’t know how much you can read into these comment pages. I would have thought people against these measures are far more likely to comment than those who think they are reasonable. Hope I’m wrong.
WTF is global security? Boris Johnson: Threat climate change poses to global security of ‘paramount importance’ no conspiracy here, nothing to see move along, trust your ELITE leaders to
controllook after your future.The PM is just spouting the info he hears from Princess Nut Nut, and probably his father. That in no way exonorates him from anything but you can just imagine her using all her feminine charms to which the PM is going to fall for every time.
If you look closely you can see the strings! But to be fair he does look drained, I guess nut nut is doing her duty.
I agree he looks shattered. No sympathy for him though, he has got himself into this position, I am sure he knows how to get out of it and only he can choose whether to do it or not. I cannot think why he looks drained though (other than Princess Nut Nut) all of this he has gone along with so he should look very happy.
Just read an piece about Princess Nut Nut pulling strings in the background. https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/its-not-sexist-to-be-deeply-worried-about-carries-role/
I swear I read that you could remember the Russian REvolution which would make you over 100 years old.
No I can certainly say I am not over 100 years old, but a family member got out of Russia, following the revolution and I remember as a child listening to stories they told me. I know I have aged over the past year but hopefully not that much!
In a moment of light relief, the first person vaccinated in Bahia, Brazil, with the amazing CoronaVac (50.38% efficiency) has been diagnosed with……..COVID !!
https://g1.globo.com/ba/bahia/noticia/2021/02/23/primeira-vacinada-na-bahia-pega-covid-19-antes-de-tomar-a-2a-dose-entenda-como-e-possivel.ghtml
And yet the sheep still think they are going to be protected, you gotta laugh
I started to write this yesterday before any announcements but ran out of time and energy to post it. May as well give it a go today. It’s a letter to the Prime Minister.
Dear Prime Minister,
Can I ask that you put your role as the head of the elected government of the United Kingdom before your political role as leader of the Conservative party?
Since March last year, the whole country has been subjected to a bewildering assault on lives, freedoms and livelihoods where the only clear aim has been to avoid scenes of hospitals being overrun so as not to hamper the electoral prospects of your party and avoid the political fallout. Even now, with deaths and infections dropping, we are being told that it will be months before we have any kind of normality – and the reasons given are that you don’t want to do any more ‘u-turns.’
That sounds very much like, once again, we all have to suffer so as to protect you from some uncomfortable and hostile questioning from other politicians and the media.
Given the many scientists, health experts and future-gazers you have available to you through the ironically named SAGE, do you think you can ask a small number of them to work out what’s happened to your bollocks? You’ve clearly misplaced them somewhere.
To be specific, removing our civil liberties, freedom to meet, congregate, travel and leave our homes plus the many other indignities forced upon the UK public is such an extraordinary curtailment of the human rights of the population that the plan to reduce these infringements should be measured in hours and days, not weeks and months. There is absolutely no justification for you to imprison and limit the lives of millions of people simply because you’re scared of the political fall-out.
If I had any generosity of spirit left towards you and other members of your government and advisors, I would probably try to muster up a few words to say that I can just about understand that somewhere in the madness of the past year there must have been a thought of trying to do the right thing with the lockdowns and measures taken. But then I recall how the government and health service managed to seed a huge amount of death into the care homes of the nation, cancelled the health care and health service for millions of people, added no meaningful useable capacity or capabilities to isolate and care for anyone who had covid – and it serves to remind me that these are not in any shape or form the actions of a government intent on saving lives, but merely the actions of a government intent on saving face. This electoral and political motive also explains the huge effort that has gone on propaganda and messaging from which the only clear discernible consistent message is that it is the public who are at fault, or specific sections of it.
You are not the master of all fates and do not have the power to stop a virus from spreading. Neither is it your responsibility or right to manage the risk of the entire population. What you are responsible for is the assignment of resources and governance of those resources to meet the short, near and long-term challenges of our nation. Health service capacity is part of your remit, lifestyle choices, behaviour and personal risk assessments and judgements are not. In every way possible, I would agree that the government has a duty to explain and inform about a health pandemic – even to provide advice and create the conditions by which people at risk can reduce their chances of becoming ill, but I can see no justification for you or any other person elected or associated with your administration to be able to legally limit the freedoms of the population with respect to who we meet and spend time with, for how long, in what place or setting, what we consume whilst doing so, whether we hold hands, whether we kiss and what we are wearing on our bodies and faces as we perform such non-violent and non-criminal actions.
In the spirit of trying to help, when I next leave my home for an essential purpose, I will keep an eye out for your missing testicles. I fear they may be lying in a gutter somewhere. I cannot promise to return them, but I will happily kick them along the road and into a drain to make space for your career and reputation to inhabit the gutter space where once they lay.
Yours etc
A huge round of applause from me. Take a bow and hit send.
I did actually LOL when I got to para.4
Very good!
Hats off to you, it’s a classic!
It’s always been about showing that the Conservative party can be trusted to look after ‘our’ NHS. And covering up the care home deaths…
I found his spine, which went missing with his testicles.
Excellent! You should also have mentioned to him that this NOT how the World King would act.
That’s fantastic!
This latest video from the excellent Dave Cullen is well worth watching. It’s a wake up call to the people of Ireland but is equally relevant everywhere. It was posted today. It’s about 15 minutes long. In his address to the public this evening, Irish PM, Micheal Martin, has offered almost nothing (apart from school openings) to the Irish people as part of his “data-driven” living with plan plan. I have no idea what happens next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxpMddbwYQU
Covid is a known unknown – government actions are an unknown unknown.
It strikes me that the Roadmap is something akin to Mr Chamberlain’s piece of paper from Herr Hitler in ’38. In fact I considered doing a meme for Facebook about this, but decided the point would be lost on most sheeple.
I think the autumn is really going to be the deciding time. If we go back into lockdown, or have not come out of it by then, then that really will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is a permanent objective of this government.
I know some people will say ‘that has been clear from day one’ but remember, it has not been clear for the mass of sheeple. The roadmap, however, is the first time anything remotely resembling a promise has been made to come out of lockdown, and if they can happily break that (and get away with it) then all bets are off.
Didn’t we have a roadmap or something similar last spring though? And yet we still went back into lockdown. Many times Boris has promised that we will have normality by (insert date here) or that lockdowns are the nuclear option – and then broken that promise. He’s got away with it every other time, so why not again?
I think you’re right but IIRC there was a lot less stuff about it not being reversible, and this being the last lockdown etc. Of course it could all just be a feint – my point is it seems to be a more sincere attempt at convincing the populace that lockdowns will end; the result of this is more likely to be anger when it doesn’t happen. They could pull the trick once last year but they may not be able to do it so easily again this year.
Difference this time is the “vaccines”. The jabbed expect to be able to get back to their lives now. Course they might be held off for a little while by demands that everyone else has to be jabbed too first but they will be feeling more confident at getting out and about and losing their (irrational) fear. The jab is an article of faith far more powerful than the muzzle to them. It’s like they just had the Blood of Christ injected into their arms.
Ironically the Blood of Christ is something they’re not allowed to ingest, whereas they’re encouraged to be pumped full of any old garbage in a syringe.
Absolutely. Anything passing through the lips of Mr Toad or Handoncock is best treated as a lie – it’s pretty good bet that it is.
Brexit by 31/10/2019… Do or die! Didn’t and hasn’t.
He is dishonourable.
Hancock already pouring cold water on the road map apparently !..
There are so many caveats that it won’t be a broken promise.
MASKS DO NOT PROTECT ANYONE FROM ANY VIRUSES!! Spread THAT!! The only thing masks are good at is suppressing rational thinking. We have to get through to the brainwashed. Urgently!!
Please tell that to the Hamburg civil servants who are introducing more outside mnc to be worn on certain streets as they had a slight increase in +tests the last 3 days.
Germany apparently seeing a 30% share of +tests of the British variant (they test a certain amount of test for variants).
No increase in hospitalisation.
Laugh at them. Ask them for concrete evidence. Resist.
I think this is a good illustration of their ineffectiveness!
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/unmasking_the_medical_experts.html
Unmasking the Medical Experts – American Thinker
So tired of this word-salad spewing little monster.
Interesting article and discussion about ADE
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/18/antibody-dependent-enhancementhttps://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/12/18/antibody-dependent-enhancement
https://www.bitchute.com/video/G3LkvUTMWl57/
Dr Lee Merrit gives a brief, succinct description of it here also.
Letter to Mr Hancock from Philip Foster of The Conservative Woman, good read.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dear-mr-hancock-try-pinning-a-fried-egg-to-the-gate/
I sometimes look at a real ale/pubgoers page on Facebook, but gave up in despair a couple of months ago when the vast majority of the posts were about how the government are right to keep pubs closed and anyone who thinks otherwise is a granny-killer.
By chance I happened to look today, and to a man, every post was anti-lockdown and anti-government. Bit late now though, but at least it shows opinion is changing slightly.
I’m getting the sense there is a massive thirst for normality.If the regime reneges on the road map I finally think the sheep will revolt.
Yes, but they must first overcome the all-too British taste for militant apathy.
I fear that if people accept the roadmap, they are too broken to revolt over anything – even reneging on the roadmap. That is why pressure now is vital.
There is even a chance to sieze the narrative. If pressure coincides with concessions, the skids can be put under the regime. Obviously, the regime holds most of the cards and, against mere peasants like us, it can always gain the initiative. But pressure against them now is vital. If they spin out another Summer with any of this crap intact, we will be stuck here or in a worse position this time next year.
Well that sounds encouraging!
Only one thing will get us out of this, its not polite letters to MPs, not abusive emails to politicians, not being a rogue refusenik, not shaking hands, hugging granny, tearing off masks, not visiting friends, not becoming a keyboard warrior on an obsolete blog.
This is a war of attrition to control us & our children, we’ve lost every battle for the last five hundred years, the masses have become indoctrinated serfs fighting for their own servitude, with absurd delusional beliefs about government intentions. The function of government is to control society not protect it. Your belief in neo-liberal democracy makes you the architect of your own demise.
Revolution is required if you don’t wish to become drugged up livestock whose only purpose is to serve your masters whims, like cattle in a feed lot, injected with annual boosters until your visit to the slaughterhouse. Freedom isn’t going down the pub between 11am & 11pm, it isn’t a fortnight holiday in Cannes, freedom isn’t a lifetime obligation to banks paying mortgages, it isn’t participating in the rat race paying extortionate university fees, or accumulating material possessions for self-indulgent lifestyles. Freedom is self-determination of your destiny!
If conspiratorial elites don’t exist, then what is Monarchy?
You probably know more about history than I do (not hard) but I would have thought in order for a revolution to succeed a reasonable measure of popular support is required. I don’t think we’re there yet.
no, what is required is military hardware and powerful financial backers. the ruling elites don’t care if the little people are upset, we can scream all we like, they’ll just ride roughshod over us
My point is that revolutions that don’t have popular support usually fail
Such action may stimulate popular support but it may do the opposite
Anyway, powerful financial backers have not been forthcoming even to try and counter the narrative of madness so doubt any would be up for violent revolution
Yeah you’re right lets write to our MPs instead, that’ll change things!
I think that was part of the point I was making. People don’t want freedom because they are afraid of its reality.
Public needs to strike on all payments for tax, insurance, bills, go and withdraw all their cash from the banks, cancel all direct debits, and go and take over all the townhalls laying empty, because all the parasites are WFH
This is the only bit I take exception to, A-S.
We got to the point where housing, food, education, and, yes, health care, were good. Many many battles were fought and won to ensure decent working conditions, upon which most of the other things depend.
Oh, and freedom surely includes the option of not self-determining one’s destiny ?
British Doctor gets caught trying to kill a COVID patient. Convenient huh?
The video doesn’t play.
Yes convenient isn’t it.
Vaccines in Japan.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/11/25/national/science-health/japan-experts-coronavirus-vaccines-safety/
Japan seems to be the only adult in the room.
How can japanese experts be so sensible and our experts complete cunts
Having a tough day today psychologically. Hope you fine folk are faring better.
Tough one for me today, one of the worst so far to be honest.
Woke up feeling reasonably content, then the howling wind took my bedroom window off its bottom hinges. Spent 2 hours hanging on to the damn thing before managing a bodge job to keep it in place. Quick trip into town and no sign of normality. Bloody masks everywhere, inside and out.
I find things worst about an hour after I get up, lasting into early afternoon.
I tend to have a few seconds of normality when I wake up, then the reality kicks in again. On a decent day, I feel fairly stable by mid morning. Finding it difficult to sleep though.
Not been a good one. People lapping up the “vaccines”, the antiSD resurgent, unquestioning muzzle compliance, enthusing about the sodding roadmap. Oh well.
Tomorrow’s another day.
Yes, it’s the “sodding roadmap” – it has dampened my spirits as well.
These are not people. These are zombies.
What they do is irrelevant to members of the human race.
What they say is as meaningless as a parrot talking. Who’s a silly zombie then?
What’s really hilarious (in a sort of grimly hysterical way) is that some people apparently think the Roadmap is moving too quickly!
But nobody is forcing them to do anything, quickly or slowly. They can stay hiding behind their sofas and their masks and their vaccination cards.
Or are they now so brainwashed that they have completely lost the ability to make a decision for themselves and think they must follow what the Government says.
Give me strength
Spoke to one of them yesterday (but only because I couldn’t avoid it). She said that if we open up too fast, we risk going back to square one and having to start all over again. It wasn’t a long conversation.
Hang in there! Remember a lot of what you see/hear is the psy op against YOU. Go outside. Dance. Sing. Do something to remind you that YOU are in control of YOU!
I concur. As many acts of defiance as possible helps me.
Yep everybody, CivilianNotCovidian is quite right. Never forget, much of what you experience is a PsyOp against us all.
I think we’re through the worst of it.
I look outside and see the spring flowers poking up. Same in that everywhere I look I see the forces swelling up against this shitshow, and preparing for retribution.
Take a look at this (3-4 min read):
https://www.aier.org/article/how-does-all-of-this-end/
And this:
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1364243272328167426
And watch Charles Walker in the House (2 mins listen):
https://twitter.com/janiepeck/status/1363952454178639875
And if you’re worried about poison passports, this:
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1364226996897685505
I really hope the PCR Claims team can come through for us. A great tweet that!
Feeling both despair and anger at the moment.The muzzle wearing on the streets around here today has been overwhelming,also just spoken to a friend who is pretty upset at being aggressively challenged about being maskless by a security goon in Morrisons,she has also been abused twice by customers in the village shop this week.
We are as far away from normality as we have ever been.
Tough day for me too, each day generally is, but today especially after reading about face masks for school kids. However, I get up, sort the kids out encourage them to get ready for their fantastic zoom school lesson which engages them for a short time as they can’t be bothered anymore. And I can’t blame them as I don’t have much motivation.
But we need to carry on and continue the fight even when days are tough. Tough days don’t always last only tough people do!
Stay strong xx
Up and down like most I expect. Better today, sunny and on a scaffold building a flat roof. Only 2 masked idiots all day so I can forget about it for a while.
Try to get out in the countryside for a few hours, not easy for everyone I know but getting away from constant reminders is so important
Me too – it’s the Boris show effect – the day after is always shit.
Today has been a good day personally. (Sat/Sun were pretty bad).
As others have said, a significant part of the bollox is an attempt to discourage/depress/frustrate those who see through it all. Realising this can greatly reduce its power.
A friend just sent me this petition her son created.
Petition re: Agree to hold a public inquiry to examine the true, full, effects of lockdowns.
Please consider signing this petition by clicking on the link and also please copy and paste the link to two friends and ask them to do the same:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/575462
Done. Absolutely needed.
done.
I just had a screaming session at a couple of adverts on the TV. It’s on in the background; Mrs C is watching something.
First was at the new (is it?) NHS advert telling people “if you have a cough, it may not be Covid, but might some something ‘just as serious’… like Cancer“. I don’t mind telling you, folks, I went off my head; I even threw in Greta’s “how dare you, you bastards”.
The second was at the Alexa ad, where the sap of a father shows how smart he is by getting his ‘facts’ from Alexa to impress his kid doing her homework. I thought to myself, “What happens when the only ‘facts’ kids do get are those that Alexa/Google decide are the facts. The ‘new history’ as decided by the World Government.
‘something just as serious, like cancer’ – that made me laugh actually, sometimes the bastards are unintentionally funny
Yes. Good point – particularly given the number of untreatable cancer cases that the Covid myth has created.
Not a bit funny if you have cancer.
Avoiding inane advertising is why I mostly watch recorded or streamed stuff
One the rare occasions I watch real-time the one that drives me nuts is the HSBC idiot who slaps on his mask as he goes out to cycle.
And I really want to thump the dude on the ASDA adverts. There is s9mething very wrong there.
The only radio station I listen to is Talk Radio and when the adverts come on I just hit the mute button and switch on again two minutes later.
I was only listening to Talk Radio, but on one day whilst driving to and from supermarket (couldn’t get to mute quickly enough) I heard the infamous “you can catch Covid from joggers, dog walkers, blah blah” and then in short succession “you can catch from a supermarket trolley”. It’s been off ever since, although I follow exerts on YouTube
Agree there. Also the Cif ads that claim it can kill a non living virus.
I can just imagine the marketing department. We’ve ran a lot of COVID ads we might be overdoing it. What we’ll do is we’ll run what appears to be a cancer ad but we’ll conflate the two and lead with COVID. Genius.
Possibly someone in a government comms department has had the nous to realise that if lockdowns are ending then Covid might be on the way out and he might be out of a job.
I suggest that you make a formal complaint to the ASA. It’s only by thousands of us doing things like this that the message might start hitting home to a few people, even if it’s only because their staff can’t cope with the workload.
I have done, C.
This ad, which was the most complained of at the time, but I thought was genius, and still makes me laugh, even now.
https://youtu.be/69QlnUJ39oQ
By many I’m accused of being a conspiracy nut or dangerously deranged. The truth is though that my views;
1. Lockdowns aren’t very effective and cause more harm than good.
2. That masks aren’t effective
Were mainstream opinions until the 3rd week of March last year. That still many of the world’s leading epidemiologists at Oxford, Stanford & elsewhere share this view. We aren’t the radicals in this debate, our opinions were the accepted wisdom.
The expression ‘conspiracy theorist’ now denotes anyone who holds an opinon that differs from the establishment view on any controversial question,
An essential point. The WHO 2019 planning document confirms this, as does the previous UK one (2011, I think).
Nothing has emerged in the interim to alter the evidence on these issues – or on the other key one – of the testing of asymptomatic individuals. All changes have been part of a fantasy narrative.
It was the shift from rational, evidence-based discussion to one-sided propaganda techniques – particularly in BBC coverage – that alerted me to the fact that something was seriously wrong, and led me to start looking more closely at the actual data.
As you say – it was that narrative that shifted, not the body of real evidence and analysis.
Absolutely. And as I keep saying, why did it take at least four months (the virus would appear to have arrived here by November 2019) for the locky lovers/conformists/ingenious experts to start screaming for said lockdowns and then the face naps? Which had never been done here before but suddenly then became mainstream…
one important difference between March and now is there some academic underpinning for your views. Point 1 Philip Thomas University of Bristol and point 2 the Danish mask study for starters
Ask someone if two people without symptoms tested positive for covid what are the chances both have covid. Most people and medics would say 100%, covid deniers may say 0% hopefully lockdown sceptics would do the calculations factor in false positives and negatives and discover 50%. The point is the world is run by people who manipulate us and most people believe what seems right rather than what is the truth. This is why people go along with face masks and all the other lockdown rules because it seems right. When you do your own research you find 99.9% of the population is covid free for example but as their say the first casualty of war is truth and this a psychological war on humanity.
If they are PCR tests, then there is virtually no chance of 50%. What planet are you on?
It doesn’t matter what test you use its the maths that give you 50% probability. We may not like it but at the moment as I said most people and medics believe that everyone who test positive with no symptoms is infected. This is why people go along with masks and lockdown because their don’t understand probability and this ignorance is been used by the government to fight they war on us.
This IS… ABSOLUTELY a “psychological war on humanity”
That was well said. Interesting to see the video below Fuller, from David Amess, pointing out the number of people in his constiuency questioning the death cert recording of their loved one’s death – not FROM Covid, but WITH.
Or the other way round, I should say; I’m sure you know what I meant.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/23/masks-schools-utterly-nonsensical-evidence/
There never was, is and bever will/can be any evidence for them at all.
If you accept the first absurdity, there is no limit on its expansion.
Us mask refusers have realized that from day 1.
Other than Bojo and Handjob, here’s who parents should also complain to: Vicky Ford, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Children and Families at the Department for Education
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/vicky-ford
vicky.ford.mp@parliament.uk
The experiment that shows how it is:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/unmasking_the_medical_experts.html
For getting on a year now, the government of this country and – many others around the world – has effectively criminalised the establishment of new relationships which could lead to family formation and childbirth.
That this apparently attracts no comment from anyone whatsoever among broadcasters, journalists, the clergy, or indeed anybody at all, is beyond astounding to me.
They are fucking with us . To them we are lab rats in their psychological experiments and more recently gene therapies.
A short way down the road from here a couple of weeks ago they did two people from different households for having sex in a car.
Sick, sick, sick.
Friend of mine lives up a remote lane in the country. He nicknames it ‘Durex Drive’ because of the leavings of the ‘courting couples’ who park there. He reckons it’s mostly couples having affairs who can’t make any other arrangements because of hotels etc being closed.
Pasante Parkway? Trojan Terrace? Ahahaha.
The absolute lack of anyone in the MSM, with maybe the exception of Talk Radio sometimes, speaking on behalf of people and bringing balance to the discussion is nothing short of scandalous.
The role of Ofcom in ignoring the actions of most MSM whilst they churn out an endless stream of government propaganda & psyops has to be part of any investigation.
What surprised me was when lockdown started, the government actually advised unmarried people to cohabit. The idea that a government could advise people to do that in order for sweethearts to be able to meet (rather than advising marriage) would have been unthinkable even as recently as 30 years ago. But then again we do have a PM who openly cohabits with his ‘fiancee’ and has a child by her, so perhaps it’s not that surprising.
Clergy don’t seem to comment on anything nowadays unless it’s broadly in line with the sort of views one reads in The Guardian.
From a Facebook user::
“Just received this from a friend
Rushed by ambulance at 4 am to York district. Blood pressure on over 200 and terrible chest pain. But it fortunately wasn’t a heart attack! Or a blood clot on lung or angina. they think my oesophagus apparently went into massive spasm!! I was able to sleep in bed last night and slept deeply so all good. Interesting the ambulance man said you’ve had Astra Zeneca! They have had lots calls and people loosing complete use of arm!“
Going swimmingly!
I have been suffering from oesophageal spasms at mealtimes of late, stress related. To say they are uncomfortable is a serious understatement. It’s like a housebrick has suddenly materialised near the top of my gullet.
I know, I get that at late in the evening, usually when I’ve just gone to bed. Not yet found a way to deal with it
Funny thing is I’ve had that at least twice in last couple of weeks ! Not vaccinated by the way .
Still better than gettin covid though
The Future
God, where did you find that picture of me, first thing in the morning?!
And the Great Lord Schwab did gird up his loins and walk up into the mountains known as the Alps. At the place called Davos he announced to the believers: “Here we shall build a great Forum the like of which has never been seen before. All potentates and leaders of the masses, yeah even Matt Hancock, shall come here as pilgrims and worship before the Golden Bullshit of the Great Lord Schwab”. Many of his disciples gazed up in wonderment at the face of the Master, not crediting that such a thing were possible. Others asked “Who is Matt Hancock?” But yeah, it did come to pass and the Great Lord Schwab did rule over all the powers of the world, even President Xi and that funny little Pope from Argentina
Here endeth the first lesson from the Book of Bullshit.
Businesses ought to get together and start suing this criminal government for loss of earnings and the right to earn a living. Hit them monetarily and get the government to present their evidence for lockdown and all the restrictions in a court of law.
Regular discussion in our house. We can’t believe the number of businesses and industries that have just sat back and let the Regime do this to them.
Yes, it’s a puzzler. Why hasn’t Wetherspoon spoken out, for example? My guess is either most of the big CEOs have been ‘got at’, or are hoping to make a killing out of lockdowns by buying up cheap businesses and getting rid of staff they don’t want.
I too am puzzled as to why many businesses have seemingly allowed economic damage to be inflicted without any fight. I do think if the majority of the public had not been so zealot like, businesses may have fought back. The situation they found themselves in was if they decided to open would they be supported? I actually think that thought is the cowards way out, if enough had opened, many would have supported them.
I remember having a pretty one-sided debate with a barber about this back in August. All he could say was ‘there’s a pandemic’ and ‘it is what it is’. Pathetic.
they are licensed premises, make a stink and the licenses will be lost. Its not a shop where they can just do what they want. There are all kinds of rules in the licensing laws, infit to hold etc. There would be a vendetta.
I agree that might happen with local pubs. But Wetherspoons is national. At least some sort of resistance could be mounted, I would have thought.
Little bit of philisophical nonsense for you all, to maybe lighten the mood a little.
A few of random thoughts that jumped into my head:
How many people have not met the ‘one’ with whom they would fall in love with, and spend the rest of their life with, because they didn’t meet that night, in that pub or nightclub, because it was shut?
How many kids haven’t been born because of the number of people who didn’t go home together that night, after meeting in that pub or nightclub, because it was shut?
How many people didn’t win the lottery because they didn’t buy their ticket, like they always do, from that little newsagent near the office because they’ve been working from home?
Anyone have any others?
Yes, but had a couple of ciders so better not say.
Yeah, meeting by chance and going home for a unexpected shag – greatest highlights of my life. Wife and I met in Three Horse Shoes, Headingley and now have 6 grandkids. Just been at Rosie’s fourth birthday party with all of them. Right laugh as someone said the police had been called – we played ‘invent the excuse’ and laughed and laughed and laughed!
For me, those are just ‘what ifs’. What I hate about lockdowns is the actual things we can say for certain we have missed – being with loved ones in care homes, in hospitals, at funerals, at family gatherings etc.
The only good thing about this for me personally is that it has brought me closer to my other half and made me realise who and what is really important in my life.
Well …er… how many people haven’t been stabbed/mugged/ murdered/ blown up by terrorists… because they’re safely locked up at home?
‘What if’ can be a dangerous game.
Apparently stabbings in London have increased, however due to aforementuoned cider I could be mistaken.
I would imagine HM constabulary do not spend much time enforcing lockdowns amongst…ahem…a certain demographic, so stabbings continue much as normal.
My random thought the other day was that if we had reacted to the 1957 Flu pandemic as we have done to the coronavirus outbreak of 2020 I would not be here. My mum and dad’s October wedding would have been cancelled and I would not have arrived just over ten months later!
I’ve thought about that and it is a serious issue…a lot of people in their early 20s will have just been getting to the point in spring 2020 when they were thinking sub-consciously: “It’s time I stopped messing around and found a partner for life”. They’ve had a whole year when their opportunities to put that thought into action have been frustrated. It’s appalling.
On the plus side – how many people didn’t have that tragic accident on the way into work?
How many people didn’t suffer that serious injury playing rugby or football?
Plus or minus:
How many people have carried on in blissful ignorance unaware they have a serious disease. They may welcome the year free of anxiety or they may rue being denied the chance to address the illness.
On the negative side:
How many people’s career opportunities have been blighted because they haven’t had a chance to shine in the office?
Ze Germans are game
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/lqfoef/germany_today_stick_vaccines_in_your_ass_stick/
(1) This Open Letter Could Help Us Stop Discriminating Domestic Health Passports – YouTube
Found this a really positive vid for those worried about no jab no job.
More evidence, based on DM readers comments, that people are totally pissed off with this shitshow and have had enough.
Matt Hancock confirms people WILL be able to hug their family from May 17 because by then the most vulnerable groups will have had both their doses of coronavirus vaccine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290439/Matt-Hancock-confirms-people-able-hug-family-17.html
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This headline is unbelievable.. it’s like a medieval dictatorship. 737 upticks 15 downticks
As a lifelong student of the Middle Ages, I can’t remember any ruler crazy and evil enough to forbid hugging.
As far as I understand the most totalitarian regimes in history never banned people from getting their haircut and seeing their mum.
It’s bizarre, isn’t it. I’ve read Defoe’s book about the 1665 epidemic. They had lockdowns, but only of infected people. Everyone else could go free. Pubs remained open but had to close at 9pm. Churches could stay open, but it became more and more difficult to hold services because many clergy died after visiting the sick. Thousands died, usually very quickly, sometimes just dropping dead in the streets. Even with all that, they still didn’t have lockdowns of the general population.
It’s the fact that people actually believe this deeply unattractive, ignorant, arrogant little oik can tell people what they can’t do on a very personal level – and then they obey him!
How very disturbing.
What goes on in people’s heads that makes them comply with such nonsense? Make your own judgement – live your life. Rules were meant for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools!
It’s funny to find that when things get dark, those in control seem to be playing bigger risks. By suppressing the talk against vaccines and pushing mandates, they’ll maybe have to defend their efficacy and vaccines in general. Case in point:
https://informedconsentdefense.org/
Trying to end mandates or ban them, but at the same time get better scrutiny of their numbers and vaccines in general. Mandating independently monitored control groups and better informing decisions based on evidence rather than lobbyists and their think tanks.
We live in hope. However, if it comes it comes and a trickle will quickly become a wave.
“Click the images below to view our court documents, proving for example that unvaccinated adults enjoy 1,248% better health than vaccinated. And unvaccinated children enjoy 1,099% better health than vaccinated.”
No flu in 2021, love the mask
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-cases-covid-england-phe-latest-b1805124.html?amp
My take on this is that it’s not the masks or SD that has “eliminated” flu this year but the fact that SARS-CoV2 has out-competed flu for the “top-dog” position this winter.
And/or people with flu testing positive, and labelled as Covid.
No it changed its name to COronaVIrus Disease 2019, (Covid-19). There are likely Two objective truths about the official narrative, coronavirus exists & 120 people died during the UK “epidemic”.
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This article appears to be inconsistent with ONS Weekly Reports. Today’s week 6 report says 4262 deaths with flu mentioned, of which 296 showed flu as the underlying cause (their words).
Every winter when flu and similar illnesses occur, if a person dies of pneumonia or flu, it is listed as such on the death certificate, it is unlikely any test for flu is carried out. Now everyone is tested in hospital for coronavirus, if positive that is the cause of death. The person could also have a flu rhinovirus but they would never know as nobody interested.
In the care homes PHE issued a document in April 2020 stating if a person dies in a care home, they do not have to be seen by a doctor or tested positive for coronavirus to become a virus statistic, as long as someone (not even medically qualified) “thinks” it may be it the death is registered as coronavirus. That death could in fact be from a flu virus, once again nobody tests for it or is interested.
The same can be applied to those people dying at home.
What it all means, in my view, is flu hasn’t gone anywhere, it is just nobody is looking for it.
Evolutionary Biology as taught in Doris and Halfcockeds new school curriculum
In Germany, this is to be bemoaned in particular.
4 generations have been raised to be very critical and vigilant with regard to totalitarian tendencies developing, so that they can be fought against early.
And now, only a tiny majority of mainly Xers sees what is going on and tries to resist, the boomers and the young cheer it on, the silent are, as usual, silent.
It’s strange to think that 70 years ago, the British Army of the Rhine was holding classes for former Wermacht soldiers on how to think independently and how to be critical of authority.
The BMJ article warrants only one response:
“Only the truth has ever been prohibited.” Nietzsche
They do not understand that just their refusal to engage with the criticism leads directly to and creates the lack of trust in them and the official ‘vaccine’ narrative, and the more they go down that route, the more resistance they will create and get.
It is still stunning to witness the cognitive dissonance and denial of scientists like Ferguson in particular, who refuse to engage with their critics but seem themselves to be convinced that they did and do.
Ferguson, in his email exchange on this site, justified his actions by saying that otherwise, the NHS would be overwhelmed. But why then are no actions other than lockdowns being taken to prevent this?
Early on in the panic there were things like the Nightingale hospitals and the one million NHS volunteer auxiliaries, the RAMC helping out, the Dyson utility ventilators etc. The idea was to bolster the NHS to cope with the rise in demand.
All now gone and forgotten, steamrollered out of existence by the almighty Lockdown. There’s something very, very suspicious about that.
as they are responsible for 40% of infections it is for the NHS to protect itself by investing in air filters for specialist wards and improving their hygiene, its not my job to do that, my job is to look after me and mine. Thats it.
The Nightinggales hospitals or field hospitals were pure optics. A photo op.
A key driver of the global psyop.
Every country in the world pretty much wacked them up, china supposedly make a huge hospital and then knocked it down again, just for shits and giggles.
Tents were put up in US cities with some medical gear in them and THIS was the covid disaster field hospital for the state.
Photo taken, people scared silly. Box ticked
The ventilator mania was also a key thrust of the fear spear into the brains of the sheeple to really kick things off. Once the spear was mashed about a bit in the frontal lobes, the visions of death by ventilator in a medical tent in a car park was sliced itno the minds of the citizenry.
The cuts were too deep. There was no going back.
They do not care!
Seeing as the mask situation has got worse with the obscene schools announcement, can we somehow set up an anti mandatory mask anywhere pressure group? Even if they do end the mandatory bit in the summer there is no guarantee they won’t try and mandate them again in the winter. Who is to say that won’t include schools. We need to stop this happening again. There is so much evidence that they don’t make a positive difference and perhaps they make it worse so can we set up a pressure group to try and stop this happening?
I think it would be difficult at this stage, as so many people support masks. As I understand it, parents can refuse permission for their children to be masked at school (by claiming they are exempt under DDA), so perhaps for now this needs to be the way to go.
The thought of kids wearing masks in school makes me feel physically sick. Why on earth do so many people support these bloody things?
Because they think they keep people safe. It’s the same mentality that makes children wear silly plastic hats when riding tricycles at 2mph on the pavement.
Unfortunately I think it’s going to take some poor kid getting really ill before this absolute nonsense is resolved.
I don’t say that lightly, but logic, reasoning and evidence are just not working.
Trouble is that kids like to fit in. The majority of parents need to push back, otherwise the handful of kids whose parents did push back will wear the face nappies anyway, just because all their friends are.
if parents dont comply then there is no problem, it is down to the mass of parents to reject this if they do its over, them same with mass wearing of masks. Reject them its over.
If we don’t try and stop this, you know what’s coming next.. Soon everybody in all outdoor settings will be mandated.. mission creep
Desmond Swayne made a good point in his speech in Parliament yesterday, saying that lockdowns increase the risk of dangerous variants. He said that under lockdown, variants which beat social distance measures survive, without lockdowns – variants are more likely to be mild as these are the ones able to circulate more widely.
Does anyone know of any references or citations for this theory?
Look for Matt Ridley and Dr John Lee in the Spectator. Sorry I can’t post the links for some reason.
There was a link in the round-up the other day which discussed this. Wittkowski’s view is that lockdown allowed variants to develop which bypassed existing immunity and caused a worse winter/‘second’ wave than would have otherwise been the case.
https://www.pandata.org/dr-knut-wittkowski/
I’ve seen this guy before but this is the first time I’ve listened to the entire interview,accent bit of a problem to understand. Anyway the interview was brilliant confirming what all lockdown sceptics have known all along that lockdown don’t work and could make a bad virus even worse. At this point I want to say it’s evolution stupid but unfortunately some people see evolution as survival of the fittest when it’s more about adapting to your environment. What I noticed about covid,after the first lockdown covid returned in the autumn and I realized then lockdown only prolonged the pandemic not ended it. I was unaware like everyone else covid had mutated but as the interview showed viruses given time mutate and lockdown actually enable this to happen. Last summer I remember many scientists not just anti-lockdown ones saying covid would fizzle out which lockdown supporters are now using to discredit us sceptics. At the time I thought those scientists saying the pandemic would end soon were wrong because their hadn’t taken into consideration lockdown. The interview shows that us lockdown sceptics are on the right path and if we don’t win this pandemic could go on for years, leaving only those without health problems as survivors!
Yes. And mass vaccination that does not provide sterilising immunity can run the evolutionary gauntlet to in a similar way. And eventually it selects for stronger and stronger variants, leading to a cycle of doom.
And the unvaccinated likely to get wiped out in that scenario.
I’m sure Ivor Cummins has said something like this. He argues the emergence of variants in Lockdowns are more frequent than otherwise.
PS Sorry – just saw yours after posting mine.
Ivor Cummins said something about viruses mutating at the same time all over the world, strangely, as if it were time for them to do so.
(A bit like the blue-tits all over this country on the same day suddenly learning how to break in to milk bottles to steal the cream! But I digress…)
And that they’d be more transmissible but less harmful.
100th monkey phenomenon.
This will apply to the sheeple waking up too. Keep on doing what you’re doing!
Isn’t this the arguement for the emergence of super bacteria…resistant to antibiotics and the most aggressive present in hospitals….why? …because the prevalence of a highly antibiotic environment. Do viruses evolve in a similar manner?
SAGE and the government would have the majority believe this is the first virus ever to have existed in the entire world.
What’s with the continued Ferguson horseshit propaganda again in LS news?
Is this more evidence of LS-lite, trying to find “common ground” with one of the chief architects of the most catastrophic public health strategy in living memory?
Here’s my compromise to you Ferguson. I don’t really believe in capital punishment so i’ll spare you that, but a long time behind bars is the only reasonable and satisfactory outcome for you.
And this outcome would be kinda ironic as well wouldn’t it, having elitists like you in “lockdown” whilst the people are free to exercise their liberties again.
I just hope the lawyers have some shit that can stick to make this a glorious reality.
Even Scooby Knows The Covid Pandemic Is A Hoax!
Even if I ever had a tad of a doubt being a sceptic was wrong, knowing Scooby Doo is in the know confirms I have been right all along
‘And if it wasn’t for you pesky lockdown sceptics, we would’ve gotten away with it!’
Viz did a strip this month.
Drooly Doooo
Pavlov’s dog
Did you see the Monopoly style Covid ‘board game’ they did a few months ago?
This sounds like a useful little English legal victory to me.
“Administrative court overturn conviction for refusing to provide a name and address in relation to suspected breach of Coronavirus Regulation” I’m not a lawyer but this sounds like a new legal precedent to me and should give us more courage to stand up to this tyranny. So the lawyers do appear to be coming to help…albeit very slowly.
https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1364303179647770624
https://www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/news/administrative-court-overturn-conviction-for-refusing-to-provide-name-and-address-in-relation-to-suspected-breach-of-coronavirus-regulations
Useful, but was the initial prosecution made under Welsh or English legislation. There are differences between the twosets.
This could be VERY big. Mods can we have something above the line on this please? If a precedent has been set it potentially means nobody need worry about police action against them for breaches of lockdowns.
Worth posting the judgement in full
The Administrative Court sitting at Cardiff today issued an important judgment on the right to silence, the legal duties of citizens and the scope of the Coronavirus Regulations.
In Neale v DPP, the court quashed the applicant’s conviction for obstructing a police officer by failing to provide his name and address when requested to do so in order that a Fixed Penalty Notice be issued for allegedly breaching the Coronavirus Regulations.
No express legal duty to provide personal details to a police constable was created by the legislation and the High Court concluded that it was not possible to imply such a duty. In giving judgment Mrs Justice Steyn, sitting with Lord Justice Dingemans, observed that ‘the right to remain silent is not reserved only for those who are innocent and beyond suspicion’ and the court should be wary of expanding police powers by implication.
“Step 4: No earlier than June 21st and at least five weeks after Step 3. Legal limits on social contact will lift and larger events allowed. Nightclubs will reopen.”
No mention here of masks, distancing or vaccinations. My employer currently mandates masks, temperature checks and daily testing, so if we ever get to “Step 4” and all these are still in place then it will present a problem for them. Either it is safe to return to work, so these measures are no longer required or, if they are all still in place, then it is not. They can’t have it both ways.
With ministers and SAGE already briefing against the roadmap I think it is safe to assume that if the British people continue to wait for the government to return the freedoms relinquished, they will be waiting forever. My feeling is that deep down a majority of the population do not want freedom at all, and never really did even when they had it.
“My feeling is that deep down a majority of the population do not want freedom at all, and never really did even when they had it.”
That’s my feeling too – and about the worst aspect of this whole awful thing.
Yes. This last year has changed, I think permanently, my whole outlook on my fellow Britons and indeed my fellow man in general. I used to be the sort of person who believed in supporting one’s community, church, local government etc, but I am no longer sure I can do that in all conscience.
The minds of people have been so messed up over the last year that the very meaning of freedom has changed. Notice how SAGE keep predicting that people will follow the restrictions out of habit for many years to come even if the mandates are lifted. New social customs have been created.
Forget “going back to normal”, people like us are now freaks and outcasts. What we consider to be freedom no longer sits with the everyday reality around us, and is inconceivable to the majority who have fallen for the brainwashing.
Outcasts we may be, but despite all of the above we are fortunate to know we are not alonw, we have each others support, we cant all be wrong….
Or if we are all wrong, everyone else is wronger!
My husband and I have become very insular since this nonsense started. I don’t care about anyone other than my immediate family and a handful of friends. My charitable giving has been directed to causes that are fighting for our freedom — so no more money to the Hospital for Sick Children who backtracked on their initial recommendation that kids should not be masked in school. I can’t be bothered to care about anyone who has willingly gone along with this craziness and have no sense of community left at all, and certainly no pride in being Canadian.
I always used to look down on those people who didn’t get ‘involved’, but I sort of understand it now. They may have their reasons, as I have mine. I’m even considering dropping my direct debit to the parish church, which has been closed for weeks now, even though legally it is one of the few places which can remain open. I fail to see why an organisation based on Christ’s victory over death can shut up shop because of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate.
“That would be an ecumenical matter !”.
You shouldn’t be supporting them.
I would definitely be re-directing that donation!
If this thing is ever over, I would love to come a visit you in Toronto, Canada’s on our bucket list, but we are now feeling that travel will be the preserve of the elite. But… Are we welcome Lisa?
Regarding the road map I think the budget will give a clearer indication to where we will be in a few months
All the zealots will hear is more furlough, so they will go along with everything. Only when taxes rise and probably inflation too will they (eventually) realise it is not all free money for doing nothing.
True. We have a PM who is quite obviously not in charge of his own thoughts never mind the country.
Lots of two-legged livestock out there on the range.
I think many are just lazy and go along with whatever the majority do because it is too much effort to do otherwise.
I read about conspiracy theories, some of which have come true, and pour through the data supplied by the government, if more did this they would see the pandemic as the sham it is, but your single sentence sums up the situation more than any professor, lawyer or politician ever could.
This will confuse the BBC. Naomi Wolf, who they’ve given a lot of airtime over the years, is telling the truth about the drift towards totalitarianism under Biden. She says:
“I’ve been writing for months and months about what I see as the terrible crisis that we’re in, that we have to recognize under the guise of a real medical pandemic. We’re really moving into a coup situation, a police state situation and that’s not a partisan thing, that’s, as you say, that transcends everything you and I might agree or disagree on that should bring together left and right to protect or Constitution. We’re absolutely moving into what I call step 10…..[Step 10 is] the suspension of the rule of law, that’s when you start to be a police state and we’re here, there’s no way around it.”
We’ve seen the same in the UK where Police kneel before non-socially distancing (ie law-breaking) BLM protestors while cracking the heads of peaceful anti-lockdown protestors, where Ferguson , Sturgeon, Lineker and Johnson’s Dad can disregard the lockdown laws and receive no sanction while good honest people are prosecuted and where professional footballers can hug each other on the pitch while children are denied the opportunity to kick a ball around together. This isn’t law, this is ideology masquerading as law.
Someone will suddenly discover she’s made transphobic tweets, and she’ll be unpersoned. Problem solved!
They’ve already dipped in those waters. The Guardian have been criticising her recent book which is a historical analysis of homosexuality. They are saying she was normalising child abuse as many of the victoriana era characters she cited were under 16.
It’s so tediously predictable, isn’t it? It’s like lefties in the 30s accusing each other of being pro-Trotsky or pro-Leninist or something, in order to discredit them, when most normal human beings don’t give a toss.
Not as stated. The book was exposed as being a complete fabrication. See if you can get Matthew Sweet’s interview with her on Free Thinking Radio 3 about a year ago. It’s an extraordinary listen. He quietly and brilliantly dismantled themail alleged evidence she provided.
Her claimed naïveté regarding Biden’s position on lockdowns is not entirely credible.
There is simply too much government.
Got a link for that?
I think it’s more just an issue in liberal democratic societies of various competing demographics discovering they can vote themselves free stuff.
I mean, here in the US various groups have been bought off with giveaways for years.
The situation in the US seems to be improving regards masks and lockdowns as many states say no. Is that right? Is there a US version of this site? I hope so. The opposition seems so scattered.
I’m in one of the worst lockdown states, there is no pushback here.
This is the best site I’ve found, I can’t imagine it will be allowed to exist much longer given reddit’s predispositions:
Free-thinkers resisting the New Normal (reddit.com)
Supposedly the state of North Dakota has just repealed its mask mandate.
That’s good, but there will be cities that impose their own mask mandates.
That’s happening in Florida, but Governor DeSantis was wise enough to use an executive order to cripple cities’ ability to fine and arrest people for not wearing masks.
That interview was very wise. Recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/c/Unlocked_UK_/videos?disable_polymer=true&itct=CBIQ8JMBGAEiEwiazcym3IDvAhXCJOAKHVAICe0%3D
Actually, it’s just taking the piss.
Planning to take a 2 hr trip to see mum n dad on Friday afternoon up the M40. What’s the traffic like on the motorways at the moment, are there roadblocks and what are my chances of getting stopped by police?
Haven’t done any long distance trips since lockdown….
If it helps, HelzBelz, my 83yr old mother made a trip from the Midlands to the Cotswolds a couple of weeks ago, then on from there to Oxford. No police
Been up and down the M40 several times over the last year, and quite a few times in the last month. No roadblocks and no traffic jams either. Never been stopped.
Traffic is not much different to a normal day in school hols. The chances of roadblocks is zero. I have driven and cycled hundreds of miles over southern England since day one of lockdown and have never once seen a police roadblock. I’ve seen one or two cars stopped by police but that could be for any number of reasons. If you are worried, just have a ‘cover story’ ready from one of the many exemptions to the travel ban here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#when-you-can-leave-home
Good luck and Godspeed.
Nothing on the M4 but can’t vouch for the M40.
There’s always a reason to be found though… ‘care’ for parents? Essential maintenance they can t do? Visiting an area to look at houses – perhaps you are thinking of moving closer to parents?… Etc etc! Even if there were police, you can always refuse the fixed penalty fine – the court system is on its knees so it won’t come to court for an age, if ever, and if it did the likelihood of being found guilty? Well I’m not saying I know for sure but I suspect the likelihood is extremely small. Good luck
Yes, especially now a judge has ruled that one does not have to give one’s name and address to a constable if suspected of breaching lockdown restrictions.
Have you a link for this?
Cranmer is probably thinking of this posting earlier today by theanalyst:
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/02/23/latest-news-294/#comment-431626
It’s a Welsh court by the looks of it, so maybe not cut-and-dried in England.
I think you do if you’re driving a motor, mind.
I have done plenty of long trips. No roadblocks. Traffic levels lower than normal but only by a few pct.
Driven a lot for my new job all over the country.Roads are quieter but enough vehicles,so no chance of being stopped.I was questioned on a train today as to whether my journey was essential.
As a keen (paid) photographer I’ve driven from East Yorkshire to lovely north-west Essex and Derbyshire without a problem whatsoever. Perfectly legal anyway, even by their bs rules. If stopped just say you’re travelling for exercise, work or to visit a ‘bubble’. No legal limits on any of those whatsoever, so if fined, do not pay.
Apart from the pub, haven’t changed my habits much this last year, live in a small village, run a business that sells online, have an 82 year old dad who lives 35 miles away. Have probably travelled between the three 95% of lockdown and not been stopped once.
I have however got my first ever speeding ticket, mind on other things at the time.
So police out catching speeders who shouldn’t be out due to lockdown but no mention of lockdown just a speeding fine.
Says it all to me really.
Well done for visiting your father regularly. I have an elderly mother 70 miles away and visit her every ten days or so. She has very little social contact now that the parish church has closed down. To be honest the social contact is probably more for me than her, as she seems to be coping quite well (blitz generation).
The amount of people out and about make it unenforceable, don’t worry about it at all.
Just had a realisation.
Went for a walk to the local shop to get a late shop and avoid the zombies.
Decided to come back into the house via the side garden.
Our little rescue cat was already moving to intercept me before she could see me.
She’s braver than 99% of people on this Island.
I was cycling up a narrow lane near my village this morning. A woman was walking towards me. Down that lane it’s common to pass the time of day with people whether on foot or bicycle. I was just about to say ‘good morning’ when she leaned into the hedgerow and pulled up a snood thing over her mouth as I passed!
No, but even if I had, she masked up before I’d got anywhere near her. No flatulence on earth could be that virulent!
Thankfully my natural reaction when I encounter a swerver is to openly laugh at them.
It’s certainly more powerful than any argument IMO.
I was at the farmers’ market on Saturday, and saw one stallholder passing goods to a customer using a 3′-4′ long deep fat fryer thing.
I burst out laughing, and one or two other people joined in with chuckles.
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Everyday I look here to keep my spirits up. There is always a comment, intentionally or not, that lifts my day.
Today its 5 words
people joined in with chuckles
Thanks JohnB
I don’t normally openly make fun of people, but when myself and the memsahib were walking along the pavement recently, a lady ducked into the hedge. I couldn’t help saying ‘We’ve got a Swerver!’ I’m not sure the lady understood me, so I just tipped my hat and said ‘afternoon’, and to her credit she did smile back (she was unmasked, so perhaps not a full Believer).
One climbed up a grass verge to avoid me two days ago and got herself all muddy.
I actually bent over double laughing so much and had to stop. She probably thought I was having a coughing fit.
I saw my first double-masked sheep in the street yesterday and couldn’t help myself – I just laughed out loud.
Amazing! I’ve never seen a ‘double’ yet. That must get a high score in ‘Lockdown Fanatics Top Trumps.’
Is it only me who would have a powerful urge to administer a tiny push ?
You read my mind
Not just you mate.
Usual walk in the park today, edges of path still very muddy, so tend to walk down the middle, who likes mud on the shoes. Anyway I can spot the potential swevers a mile off, great fun seeing them in knee deep of mud avoiding me. Feck em..
I understand that polls have shown that a good number of the public support our ‘Dear Leaders’ route-map out of lock-down and that some even feel he is going too fast! Obviously the fear factor has burned deep with some people but it must be more than that. I wonder if for some people they have spent there lives reliant on the UK Establishment, including the NHS, to keep their world running OK and to question that narrative is frightening and leaves you staring into a void, a bit like eventually losing your religion after years of belief.
It is almost as if the thought of freedom is frightening;
‘Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility.’
For me the loss of freedom over this last year has been galling and painful, in particular I think i have always been keen on the freedom of movement, to go where I want, when I want is the essence of a life well lived as a free man in a free world. So it has been amazing to me that so many were so willing to trade in freedom for a disease and a reluctance to challenge the line coming down from the UK Establishment.
So many have spent so much buying into this line that it is going to be hard for them to shift position and they are almost scared to ditch the masks and give up all the nonsense but perhaps the hysteria and paranoia is now declining? maybe the onset of spring sunshine will help.
You know Steve I think every single one of us is going to come out of the other side of this with some kind of mental illness.
For those of us who turned to scepticism early it’s probably going to involve difficulty in ever trusting the general public again.
That’s not mental illness, it’s robust common sense.
For many centuries, all European societies were deeply elitist, considering that only a tiny proportion of the population had any merit, intelligence or virtue.
Perhaps they had a point after all.
Yes, it’s amazing how many people I meet who just seem thoroughly dull, incurious, and not particularly intelligent. They lack any real hobbies and don’t do much with their spare time. You could hit them across the head with a sledgehammer, saying it was being done in order tosave lives’ and they’d just adjust their face nappy, shrug their shoulders and say ‘ah well, gotta be done, mate. It is what it is. There’s a pandemic.’
It’s epidemic here in the US.
Most people seem to put their time in at work, commute home, slug down some takeout or frozen gunk, then plunk down to watch Netflix until bed.
Rinse and repeat every day.
Yes, CV19 has made me realise that The Royle Family is a documentary, not a comedy.
Why the flying fuck would one ever want to trust the general public ?
There will be an awful lot of neuroses/psychoses/breakdowns among the covid fanatics, that’s for sure.
Its more the things I used to take for granted. Like my neighbour not phoning the police because I had 7 people in the house instead of 6.
Yeah, that would be unpleasant. Not the sort of thing one thinks about until it happens, I guess.
At least you know where your neighbour lives …
Part of the problem is you may never know which neighbour it was.
Thing is one of the things that makes first world nations possible is lots of social capital and a high trust society.
I bet they had a clicker to show as evidence.
Well, we did try to warn them. They just refused to listen.
Spot on
I don’t know about trusting the public it’s the government and the media who I have zero trust in now.
The whole establishment is rotten and I include the monarchy in that.
It’s been a bit of a turning point in my life having my own mother call me a “covid denier” to be honest.
Sorry to hear that. I’ve been lucky in that my nearest and dearest are either total sceptics or ‘fellow travellers’. I think I’ve lost one friend over this, but even that’s not entirely definite.
There was a thread on here the other night about this being a psychological survival of the fittest marathon and I think there’s some merit to it. While we sceptics are struggling, if there’s an end to this we will be the only ones who are not coming out the other side with mental illness. I know if the world went back to the way things were in 2019 we would all adapt immediately and without a thought, but I cannot see the zealots being able to do the same. There will be some who never stop sanitizing and will choose to keep wearing masks. They will always see others as disease vectors and will not be able to just turn off the fear and programming they have allowed themselves to be taken over by. And then there are the children who will suffer from OCD and anxiety which could hamper them indefinitely. Like you, I will never trust again — not that I was particularly trusting of people and “experts” before.
I went mental years ago. Don’t worry it’s fine.
Yes, but it’s only a small minority that think it’s going to fast. The vast majority think that it going at the right speed or not fast enough or in other words they support removing lockdown restrictions. This is quite a change from early January when 80% supported the restrictions.
And to be fair the polls could be bullshit.
”could be”?
Probably are.
”Polls”? Working on the advice of Mr ‘Yougov’ Zahawi, perhaps?
Oh yes. interesting factoid of note – was looking the other week at various MPs expense claims & stuff, which is public record and available on a few sites. Check out the register of interests – some of them, as well as the usual expenses, are claiming £70-100 for 30-45 mins for a Yougov survey!
Look here!
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-staffing-business-costs/your-mp#mp-m
That’s on top of their £81K+ salary, plus £10k extra to facilitate working from home.
Yes, that bit about responsibility is spot on, imo. Absolutely amazing the lengths that some people will go to, the money they will find and hand over to other people, strangers, so-called ‘experts’, just for a perception of authority, most of the time it’s simply so they can avoid – thinking for themselves.
“I wonder if ….”
No. It’s not complicated – or necessary to weave edifices around it. It’s simply the inculcation of disproportionate fear by use of a constructed narrative and a control of dominant media.
Are these the same polls who are owned and sponsored by the perpetrators of this fraud?
Am I the only person who feels at some point in the not too distant future we are all going to be offered a kit to end our own lives?
Completely *isses off?, no problem complete this online form, we will send you a kit and we will give your chosen person ** social credits.
To be quite frank, it would be preferable to living in lockdown.
Wouldn’t bother me, I’d just keep it in reserve and use it after I’d killed as many of the b*stards as I could. (Assuming, of course, that they started on me first. I wouldn’t want the 77th btn to have a reason to close this site down).
Absolutely right. Soylent Green. Weirdly I envisaged this years ago when the whole ‘Dr. Death’ saga started in the US. Make life unbearable for the old by preventing them from contact with their family. Tell them a proportion of what they save the State in pension/medical costs will help their children/grandchildren. Offer a painless way out. It’s coming.
Dead bodies were made into food in Soylent Green.Could replace beef on the menu now it’s so harmful for the environment,
Long pork!
Now this could be real a money spinner, especially with the “social credit score for loved ones” incentive.
Rather than home kits – let’s face it, all of us should have several tools in our houses that can already do this job efficiently – how about euthanasia centres. “Green Endings” with your remains to be 100% recycled and used as fertiliser outside the human settlement zones.
Nitrogen !
A good friend of mine had an idea, he really wanted to set up a business called “way to go man”.
Where he could get a special van, a drop side luton or horse box nicely done inside where the terminally ill could go to one last festival or location and sit in a comfortable bed of sofa listening to some nice tunes with a view of something special.
And then drink a cocktail of barbituates.
He is serious about this. He thought of this when we were involved with another close mate of ours dying of a brain tumour.
If only we could help him like this before he got to his last weeks which were frankly horrible.
At the end of Ferguson’s comments above, the Unherd article about the foot-and-mouth 2001 epidemic gives a flavour of what it was like for farmers. Some of the human cost is described here:
https://www.southeastfarmer.net/section/vacancies/what-did-the-2001-foot-and-mouth-crisis-really-teach-us
This is the problem that epidemic modellers have. Their work focuses on modelling the particular disease of the moment and ignores the wider human costs. Agent-based models might be the current vogue epidemic modelling tool, yet those “agents” are representing real human beings who have families and lives and aspirations. If, as some advocate, US gun manufacturers should be held liable for acts carried out with their products, might not similar arguments be applied to epidemic modellers who advocate closing down society to mitigate deaths from a given disease or to prevent a health service becoming overwhelmed (whatever that exactly means)? They might not have the authority to pass the relevant legislation themselves, but they are surely complicit in the misery generated when government acts upon their suggestions.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/everyone-saying-same-thing-after-23553588
The Irish Mirror reporting considerable pushback by Joe Public after our Dear Leader’s update this evening. I’ll not call a change in the wind just yet.
Probably been highlighted before but government advice for education as recently as 8th Jan 2021 clearly stated “Face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-in-education/face-coverings-in-education
I work in HE and am now dreading going back to face to face teaching on 8th March. Up to now I’ve declared myself mask exempt and have also refused to participate in mass testing. I now see the bosses clamping down hard and I can see suspension looming. If that happens I think it will be a resignation issue for me. I can’t face the thought of teaching a class of permanently muzzled students and no way am I prepared to even try to teach wearing a mask. How on earth can anyone with a single functioning brain cell believe that there is any need for all these extra “precautions” if the marvellous vaccines are working. No doubt they will soon me mandatory for all teaching staff, and I’m not willing to be coerced into any medical treatment, so I can see me out of a job by September whatever happens. I’m in complete despair tonight.
Courage my friend, we all understand and share your horror at the criminality that’s being inflicted on us.
It is just pandering to the teaching unions. The children and staff who will suffer, like yourself, are not important to either the unions or the gutless government for caving in.
Keep standing your ground. You won’t have to take the jab. Millions will be standing with you in a few months time.
Go off with stress on 7th March. It wouldn’t be untrue.
The thought had crossed my mind. Trouble is I suffer from two other serious conditions – honesty and integrity.- but as you say it would not actually be dishonest
Covid-19 is the gift that keeps on giving, say you’ve got to self-isolate, then develop asymptomatic long covid, that means you’re indefinitely infectious & spend the time looking for another job that puts you on furlough, your future assured coz furloughs forever.
Stand strong ! If my kids were still school age they would NOT be going back to school until normal service has resumed, to me the talk of Covid vaccines down to 6 year olds is stuff Mengele would be proud of
If young children become accustomed to permanent masking, daily testing and quarterly vaccinations, then we can all kiss the future goodbye.
This is why the government has been going after children with such zeal for the last year. They are the slave class of tomorrow who will never know any different than Covid Cult totalitarianism.
We all know that muzzles don’t work – any kind of muzzle. That’s a given. So why not get yourself some of those transparent ones, and perhaps hand them out to your students too?
Do you remember when the Queen went walkabout, she always carried one of those transparent umbrellas so that people could see her? So why not do it with muzzles? They’re no LESS effective than those ridiculous Chinese paper things!
(Incidentally, you could also punch holes all over them. There’s nothing to say a muzzle can’t have holes in!)
At the very least, don’t wear one of those sheeple masks. Wear a light bandana if you must – but be DIFFERENT!
I feel exactly the same. I will be resigning as soon as I receive formal confirmation of this from my adult learning employer. I’m not prepared to try teaching English as a second language to muzzled students. The whole idea is deeply unpleasant and dehumanising.
Take legal advice first. Sometimes not a good idea to resign.
Yes – absolutely. I would strongly advise anyone in this position NOT TO RESIGN, but let the bastards do their worst, and then eventually face the consequences for what they have done
You’re an honourable person and clearly a caring teacher. I indirectly understand your despair — I despair for my daughter who is starting her final school placement next week before becoming a certified French Immersion teacher. She and her students will be muzzled, as has been the case here in Ontario since September. Her placement last term was only 2 days a week but now she’ll be muzzled 5 days a week. The students she had last term were just so happy to be in school and with their friends that they managed remarkably well (which makes me sad). I am in abject fear that the school boards will eventually mandate the vaccine. If I have any influence over her it will be a hard no.
Learning pods have sprung up here and I’m wondering if they have caught on in the UK? If it comes to it, I will encourage my daughter to go that route as there will be a growing percentage of parents who will not be OK with their kids being muzzled indefinitely, school being in person and then online at a moment’s notice, and who won’t consent to a Covid “vaccine” for their kids. For parents who can afford it, they can form a pod of 10-15 kids and each pay the teacher an amount far less than the cost of private school, but that would be akin or greater than what a teacher would earn working in the public system. I think there will some some creative educational solutions that will spring up from this Covid insanity. I honour you and urge you to stay strong!
I think that if you were near me, I would pay you for private tuition, as I won’t be allowing my kids to be abused in this way and people like me will need people like you.
I hope you can work it out where you work, but I’m sure there will be more home-schooling as the years go by now and you will be needed!
Good Point. If enough teachers jack their jobs in, why not set up shop teaching privately? There is a huge need now. Why the hell would anybody send their kids to schools now??? It’s beyond me.
Why the hell would anybody teach in one either??
I just totally don’t get it.
I was just thinking exactly the same.
Very much the shape of things to come. This is not opening up in any sense, but rather placing ever more conditions on returning to a hollowed out shell of a society that effectively ceased to exist a year ago.
Many on here who still have jobs, including me, will eventually be resigning from their positions for similar reasons.
I plan to cling on until they sack me, then go for constructive dismissal.
That’s a good plan. When my employer mandates the vaccine I am hoping to gain some leverage by asking them whether they will accept liability for any adverse reactions. No doubt they will use weasel words to counteract this, but if it disrupts them in any way it will be a success.
Re- approaching employers to accept liability if they are trying to enforce vaccinations, go after named individuals rather than the organisation. No one will sign up to that!
Don’t forget they put a lot of effort into appearing to be ‘clamping down hard’.
Wow, they completely changed the guidance yesterday!
Please try to stay strong, for the sake of all our futures. I’m happy to chip in for a subscription if you need help with legal fees etc, as I’m sure most will on here if we know about it.
Somebody posted a link recently that had legal consent forms on it. One I think was regarding facemasks, declaring those mandating you to wear the facemask (ie your HE establishment) will be liable should any harm come to you from wearing the facemask. Also provide the links that highlight the dangers of mask wearing,. They will probably refuse to sign the form.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349518677_Review_of_scientific_reports_of_harms_caused_by_face_masks_up_to_February_2021
This one has a letter about medical testing.
https://freedomtaker.com/
Stand firm. Don’t resign – let them take action, if they will, and hang themselves.
You are right; they are wrong. You are human; they are not.
Thousands of Algerians take to the streets to protest tyranny:
Protesters rally in Algerian capital, marking rebirth of popular Hirak uprising that ousted President Bouteflika in 2019 — RT World News
Thousands rally in Algeria on 2nd anniversary of protest movement – Middle East Monitor
Des centaines de milliers d’Algériens dans les rues : L’Algérie gronde | El Watan
Will the BBC be w*nking itself senseless over this like they did in the ‘Arab spring’ a few years ago? Probably not. Lies Doucett and Awful Gerlin are probably dusting down their burkhas though.
Worrying comments from the dictator!
Britain is on a “one way road to freedom” that would put the nation in an “incomparably better” position.
Position for what?
Climate lockdowns: we are all conditioned to them already!
WEF seeking views on vaccine passports to use a gym
https://mobile.twitter.com/wef/status/1364258722898452481
I’ve seen one post in support.
I would like to see a big chain of gyms require vaccination passport and watch them go bankrupt
Of course.
No one will own a home or gym equipment in the WEF’s glorious future!
No one
will own a home or gym equipmentalive in the WEF’s glorious future!Why do we need this? How they will control the sheep
Good one People in Victoria stand their ground and shout freedom
DUBLIN WOMAN DEFIES LOCKDOWN AND REOPENS HER BUSINESS!!
Radio 4 tonight, long discussion about covid vaccine for children (supposedly coming later in the year), no questioning from Ritula Shah, all smooth and friendly with the mad scientist.
It’s the only time that I felt physically sick listening to Radio 4.
So you vaccinate healthy children (whose immune systems are still developing) for the dubious benefit of other people. Children cannot give informed consent (and no decent parent would ever give theirs).
This is child abuse: it is to satisfy the demonic whims of scientists with warped minds trying to play God and claim that they can artificially overcome a “disease” for which children and most others don’t even have symptoms and whose immune systems are easily able to deal with.
Please God that people wake up to this evil and reject it utterly.
It’s the elite parasites starting with our children. Like any good totalitarian regime they go after the children.
For the children of today, the state will replace their (long dead) mothers and fathers as the eternal caregiver. If said parents allow this to be done in enough numbers – and I have seen nothing to convince me of the likelihood of any other outcome – then the idea of raising a family as we know it will cease to exist.
The orphans can join the security services. No problem, they are ready.
It’s the only time that I felt physically sick listening to Radio 4.
You obviously haven’t been listening enough!
Quite! I thought Four-Listener Nausea was now a recognised syndrome.
Katie Hopkins as Boris Johnson – and his bastard roadmap being blunt as usual.
Good one, though she’s far too skinny and should have borrowed some big bloke’s jacket and worn several jumpers under it. Then it would have been a very convincing impression.
Wow Boris has lost weight, perhaps the lockdowns have caused an issue with the supply of “his” testosterone injections as well.
Alarming!
https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-says-vaccinated-people-should-still-not-dine-out-go-to-movies
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top disease expert in the U.S., said Monday that Americans who have received their second vaccine jab should still exercise caution and try to resist the urge to dine out or go to the movies.
Crazy person!
Egomaniac power-crazed delusionist with no understanding of virology.
Italy: Dozens of Teachers Sick After Receiving Coronavirus Vaccine
ROME — Dozens of Italian teachers called in sick Monday after getting inoculated with the AstraZeneca vaccine against the coronavirus over the weekend in Treviso, northern Italy, local media report.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/02/22/italy-dozens-of-teachers-sick-after-receiving-coronavirus-vaccine/
Coincidence? Most likely.
Underlying health conditions? Could be.
School dinners? It has been known.
The Vax? Don’t be absurd!
And this is the response of people like Evans Pritchard at the Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/02/21/costs-rising-exponentially-europes-disinformation-war-vaccine/
Those who get sick after the vaccines are victims of nocebo due to misinformation. That’s is, fake news has made them think they are sick
FFS
Yep Chairman Xe tought this fuckwit well.
Nocebo: so if a doctor tells them they are not ill, their symptoms will immediately disappear.
The madness is beyond belief: people without symptoms are ill with a deadly disease and must be isolated. People with symptoms are not ill and are deluded.
Speaking to a colleague in romania today and their bars and restaurants are all open – she said only until 11pm though … hmmmm we’re being played a blinder by this government!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-90930/Blair-gets-needle-MMR.html
So Mr Blair (2001) believes vaccines are a private matter:
‘The spokesman went on: ‘ Everyone is entitled to their privacy. That is particularly germane when it comes to medical records.’
The same Mr Blair that insists we should all be required to produce our ‘vaccine’ passport to take part in society.
Why is he still free? Pure evil.
the cadaverous old git probably won’t be around for much longer.
I’m sure he’s made a deal with ‘someone’ to keep himself going for a bit yet.
“I only know what I believe,” said Tony Blair and he only believes whatever suits him, regardless of what he may have believed only moments before.
There is an unredacted survey here:
https://survey.alchemer.eu/s3/90316103/Unredacted-COVID-Latest-8-Feb-2021
Futile but at least you can tick all the zeros and rate our current line up of psychopathic clowns and the job the have done on everybody.
Quite amusing that, when you get to choosing which issues are most important, “Eduction” is one of them. It looks like the compiler of this survey has missed out on some of it.
I love the irony in that they spelled education wrong.
…wrongly.
Or was that irony ?
Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhwkzHxGEIc
To Charles Walker taken down
Apologies if this has already been posted. Crowd boos at Australian Open at mention of vaccine. https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/australian-open-crowd-boos-at-mention-of-coronavirus-vaccines-and-victorian-government-after-novak-djokovic-s-win/ar-BB1dSj2Q?pfr=1&c=1926525302346318136%2c15658142127634877230&mkt=en-us%2cen-us
I found this amusing. It seems like the plebs are not as in love with the magical vaccine as the politicians and MSM would like to believe. The relentless wall-to-wall vaccine propaganda might not be having as much of an effect as expected. Tennis fans are typically in a demographic that should be the most fanatically pro-Covid Cult: middle class, extremely health obsessed and generally obedient slaves.
MSM reported as disgraceful behavior, almost like the masses are not allowed to have an opioin for themselves, a bit like commnist China .. ah just asnswered my own question. Long live chairman Xe
The only thing disgraceful is the politicians and MSM foisting this bullshit on all of us. But they probably already know this.
And a bit like crowds disapproving of sports players taking the knee.
Sadly, some plebs are very keen indeed, though. Here are some words of wisdom from a contributor to the DT comments section following today’s Letters to the Editor:
Jacqueline Heath 23 Feb 2021 10:04PM
“If the disease rips through those that have chosen not to have the vaccine, then that’s their own fault and the rest of us should not be punished because of their decision.
The freedoms and livelihoods of the many should not be threatened by the action, or rather inaction, of the few who lack the intelligence to know what’s good for them.”
Blimey.
This fuckwit has defeated her own argument. What does anyone’s choice not to have the vaccine have to do with threatening the freedoms and livelihoods of anyone else? If it was a vaccine, then anyone vaccinated would be protected regardless of what anyone else did.
Assuming she exists, if I ever cross paths with “Jacqueline Heath” then me being unvaccinated will be the very least of her concerns.
And if I ever cross paths with her, I’ll send her round to see you as long as I can watch.
I’ve only recently begun venturing into the DT comments again because people like this woman were making me lose the enamel on my teeth. Having said that, she is very much in the minority and I have been cheered of late by the many more numerous voices of anger. Far more than there were a couple of months ago. I believe the same is true for the DM but I’m afraid I can’t really cope with the tabloids.
“Know what’s good for them” Indeed.
It’s precisely why crowds are not permitted of course. Minimises dissent.
British people are used as tools by the government, says Lord Sumption
Sorry should have provided this link starts at 2.38 after JBH had stopped waffling.
oh ffs https://youtu.be/Iwtk4f1Wp3I?t=9654
Ferguson email above:
“Can I point out that I never “predicted” 200m would be killed by bird flu.”
Guardian September 2005: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/30/birdflu.jamessturcke
“Around 40 million people died in 1918 Spanish flu outbreak,” said Prof Ferguson. “There are six times more people on the planet now so you could scale it up to around 200 million people probably.”
I agree that “could…probably” isn’t quite the same as “would” but why say anything to a journalist if you want to avoid sensationalism? (Or did the journalist misquote him? It is the Guardian after all…)
I also noticed the word “overwhelmed” (if bird flu reached our shores) used in interviews https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/aug/03/birdflu.health . An emotive word commonly used by him elsewhere… (“healthcare capacity is overwhelmed” etc)
This is exactly the same pattern climate scientologists adopt when seriously challenged. Reverse Ferret. Always.
You have pinpointed the patented Ferguson Method. Provide a “range” of projections, to give you cover (you will by definition always be right if your range is big enough) but when preening yourself on national media, being given soft ball questions by fawning presenters, stress the worst case scenario, the mega death figures, so as to spread as much alarm and despondency as possible.
Just reading some of the deaths as reported on vears after people had the vaccine. I bet the BBC will not mention one of them.
I was watching the ZOE update earlier. They’re assuring us the vaccines are very safe based on the ZOE data but they must be aware of the deaths, abortions etc reported through other channels.
They have vaccinated pregnant women!?
It occurs to me that in an attempt to combat what, for almost everyone, is a mild infection, we sought control. We, or better to say They, have been thwarted and reacted with ever more desperate and wild grasps for control.
The road of travel is now towards a monolithic superstructure where we are tracked, vaxxed and set to work in a sterile, “safe”, world. This is not how nature thrives. Plant a monoculture of trees and they remain, as one, susceptible to a sudden breakdown due to invading disease. Perfectly adapted but stuck in an evolutionary rabbit hole.
It fails to acknowledge that change is the only ever present feature of nature. Instead of seeking a dynamic equilibrium with nature, they believe that it can be controlled and bent to their will. Its ends in vulnerable, lifeless, uniformity rather than strength in its variety. Is that Scientism? Technocracy? I forget how those terms are really defined.
I am just musing here, but I think these people are actually inhumane. That is, they miss something fundamental from their being. Because I feel the darkness that this imbalance has created and believe others do. However, it gets darker. And on it goes. Don’t they see it, or feel it? What is wrong with them?
“I think these people are actually inhumane.”
Agreed, but with one letter difference. “Inhuman” is much nearer the mark.
An alternative thinker that I follow shared the following on why this will continue to get darker:
“The absurd tyranny the world is suffering right now is a necessary, if painful, teaching. The levels of theatrical evil are directly related to the lavish unconsciousness of the totally apathetic masses. They feed its persistence. And we all get to experience the net reaping.“
I have thought similar thoughts.
The reason why we have proclamations such as the Nuremburg Code at all is because the most unbelievable evil was released into the world. And it is always darkest before the light as they say. Its the black and white, up and down, yin and yang.
Maybe we have to go through such darkness to find what really matters as we know many are totally sleepwalking through life.
We are learning a huge amount about ourselves and the world, and growing as a result. The undead masses are going the other way, sinking into a self-inflicted abyss from which they will never emerge.
At some point these two realities will not be able to co-exist in the same physical space.
Solzhenitsyn captured the nature of evil better than anyone I’ve ever read. The sentence after the famous line about evil cutting across every human heart is interesting: ‘that line stays in someone’s heart for as long as he lives: alternately squeezing it into the narrow joys of evil, then freeing it into the brightly lit uplands of good. And then later he develops this further: ‘In physics they talk about critical masses. Some things don’t exist until they have crossed a certain threshold, encrypted by nature, and known only to her. No matter how much yellow light is shone into lithium, it will not yield electrons, but let in a weak blue light, and you wrest them away, – you have crossed the photo-electric threshold. Cool oxygen to 100 degrees, under any pressure, it will remain unyieldingly a gas, but go down to 180, and it will begin to flow – a liquid. Evil also has its critical mass. Thus a person will swing back and forth between good and evil his whole life: he falls, he breaks, he scrambles back up, he repents, and returns to darkness again, but until he reaches that critical mass, he can always choose to turn back, there is still hope for him. But when his evil deeds have accumulated enough, or if one of them is great enough, then he steps over that threshold, where he is no longer a human being. And perhaps now there is no way back. –Gulag Archipelago, Volume I
Dinner With Andre comes to mind. These thoughts are not my own
https://youtu.be/-wXnldoLPL0
Centralised control was, of course, a grounding feature of both Russian Communism and the CCP.
While having some success in increasing output all their 5 Year Plans failed.
The nazis thought they were better so went for a 4 Year Plan, they failed too.
The WHO’s investigation into the origin of COVID
Good night fellow sceptics and whatever you do…..stay safe!
Grrrrr!
Certainly not!! I want risk!
Tonight I have finally come to the realisation that we are facing a sickness (and it isn’t covid).
The scientific hegemony that is acting like a lid on society is built on the personality characteristics of a group of people who struggle to deal with human life.
Emotionally malnourished, unbalanced and fearful, they cannot look positively into the future. They anxiously rely on ever more bizarre theories, no matter how utterly cruel and inhumane, to safeguard themselves from their fears.
Hiding in their darkened rooms, lost in their statistical fantasies and unable to cope with other people, they run from warm, human, healing relationships.
These people, who call themselves scientists, are crushing the life out of children, young people, families, the poor, business people and the elderly. And all in the pursuit of their egotistical ideas and their arrogant belief that we cannot call out their scientific nonsense.
This sickness, this disease of society must be addressed, not through the weirdness of vaccination, but by people picking themselves up and fighting for the right to Life.
Note: inspired by Lord Sumption’s replies to JHB on Talk Radio.
Very well said. The sickness you speak of is not limited to any particular group. It is endemic in “advanced” Western societies.
Agreed. It’s mistaking the map for the territory. Existing is not living.
Nature does not consist of straight lines.
Which is why this technocratic nightmare will ultimately fail, as have all previous utopian (dystopian) attempts to remake human nature.
If Ferguson thinks that people don’t think that he’s aware of the harms of lockdown then that’s on him.
If models around the world based on his models were wildly off and he or the Imperial College didn’t directly make them, then it’s on him to speak out and correct them.
Interesting that I watched Carpenter’s “They Live” with my granddaughter on Saturday. I realised that the overly-prolonged fight between the two guys who were essentially on the same side, was a powerful allegory for the struggle we’ve yet to have with the sheeple.
It’s a great film for those who have the eyes to see. Popcorn crunchers regard that fight scene as tediously lengthy and unnecessary.
All-time classic. Here is the trailer:
They Live (1988) ORIGINAL TRAILER [HD 1080p] – YouTube
“I’ve got one that can see!”
I tried to watch it again a month ago but That Mullet !
C’mon Man!
Everyone knows its business at the front. Party at the back.
Boris Johnson is all the things you say and worse. Boris has a full blown eugenicist for a father, who has been campaigning for decades for measures to reduce the global population. Boris takes his orders from Bill Gates, another lifelong eugenicist and ardent advocate of global population reduction by use of vaccines. Gates is behind all of the western frontrunner vaccines and you really don’t have to be a sniffer dog to smell the bloody big dead rat that’s stinking here. For Gates, it’s as if his wettest dreams have come true, kill off the disgusting plebs and gets to double his money in the process.
Well this is interesting – looks like informed consent was not sufficient in the clinical trials for muh vaccines:
“Results of the study
COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising
antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than
if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never
been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of
these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines
designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the
unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit
neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA
or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease
via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently
obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing
COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk
is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in
these trials.”
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795
Informed consent?
Normie: “is this the good vaccine or the bad one?”
Medico: “this is the good one.”
Normie: “ok”
Normie: “I want my brilliant miracle vaccine.”
Medico: “With my pleasure sir/madam.”
They may as well use the Apple strapline – “It just works!”
That’s pretty much true of all pharmaceuticals, sadly people just have blind faith in government. Anyone trying to inform them otherwise is guilty of spreading “misinformation”.
yep talking sensibly about curing cancer can be a 10 year jail sentence right?
Well now we have a trial bigger than any other in medical history to determine whether ADE is going to be a major side effect. If it is, then the NHS ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
Indeed – I was interested to read how this panned out in cases where people were treated for Dengue Fever.
It’s made me more pissed off than ever that people asking questions are derided as some kind of “denier”.
I quite enjoy being labelled a “conspiracy theorist anti-vax Covid denier”. It gives me the perfect opportunity to respond with the kind of caustic invective that strips wallpaper.
This is true. Reason, logic, perspective are all lost on a lot of people where fear is the overriding driver.
Think I may join you.
It can be fun, and said reason, logic and perspective can still be presented to the unwashed, just wrapped in mockery.
Ugh.
“The regional government of Galicia in northwestern Spain has announced that the Covid-19 vaccine will be compulsory for all its 2.7 million inhabitants, and that fines for those who don’t follow the rules will go from €1,000 to €60,000.”
https://twitter.com/mgscarsbrook/status/1364361646370676737
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That needs an immediate challenge in the ECHR.
Isn’t Galicia in Basque country? So what could they hope to gain from such draconian bullshittery? Being a separatist entity after all on the edge of Spain?
Hummm, its abit like Scotland. Why the unity between these countries in lockdown mania? Is it that they are ideologically leftist and are railing against perceived right-wing fascism or populism?
Or something…
Galicia is the far north west of Spain, Basque Country is north central around the western end of the Pyrenees.
Galicia has the same Celtic root as Galloway in Ireland and Cilicia in Turkey but I doubt if their is much evidence if it being part of the Celtic fringe.
This is much more like it. Enough with the softly-softly propaganda, let’s cut to the chase. This vaccine is not a choice. This has come much quicker than even I expected, and is a sure sign that the mind control is beginning to fail badly. I wonder if the vaccine getting booed at the Australian Open last weekend has prompted this rapid unveiling?
Where Galicia goes, the rest of Europe and the world will surely follow.
If memory serves, Spain was the last place we both visited BC (before Covid). Not that I’m convinced I’ll ever be able to travel overseas again, but I’m pretty sure I will never set foot in Spain again. It was my happy place, but Florida may be my new happy place. So many countries struck off my list that I’m no longer sad at the possibility of never getting on an airplane again.
I dispensed with the fantasy of overseas travel in March 2020. Let it go, it serves you no purpose to imagine that this will ever be possible again. Just be grateful that you took full advantage (as I did) of the freedom of movement before it was annihilated. We have to face the harsh reality that we have now moved into a new phase of existence. There is still much to experience and to learn, just in a completely different way than the old world.
Coronavirus madness
People without symptoms are ill with a deadly disease and must be isolated.
People who have symptoms after Covid 19 (so called) vaccination are victims of nocebo.
This is next level gaslighting.
This is black humour of the highest order. Anyone who dies after taking the vaccine is just imagining it.
Before long “nocebo” will be on death certificates, and will be a subset of the daily Covid totals.
Not mine, but I’ll keep repeating it: vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences.
Now there’s a T-shirt slogan if ever there was one!
I do wonder whether there is a link between my mother calling me a “covid denier” and the fact I haven’t been able to hug her in over a year.
I have troubles with my mum too. She will not hear anything outside of the MSM narrative. Just will not. I think this is because it’s just too much for her to take on board, that everything she has tried to believe in has been overturned. Deep denial.
That said, she has been round a few times and we have had a hug or two. It’s just talking about covids is impossible.
Yeah TS that sounds familiar other than the hugs. Her and my sisters are just too terrified by the propaganda BS to allow a meeting to happen.
‘covid-denier’ to me translates as ‘repudiator of the satanic death cult’ – it’s a badge of honour, I wouldn’t want to be part of their satanic death cult
Lockdown is a Fascist/Marxist obscenity. Its chief advocates should be blood eagled.
I’m off to bed to have nightmares when where my autistic brother screams for an hour and bites a tree in the park when he sees a mask, and where a nine year old girl types “PLZ I DONT LIKE THIS” a hundred times during a lesson, and where Matt, who was thriving after his troubles, kills himself in despair aged 25, his widowed father’s only son.
I am consumed with the thought of blood. I desire the death of those who have inflicted this.
Mate FWIW I have a sister with severe autism and synesthesia. I definitely feel you on that one.
Oh and I’d be happy to blood-eagle these people with my own hands. Hanging is too good for them.
I want them to suffer and burn in hell for all eternity. I must try and get some sleep if I can, I’m burning up with hatred.
If you can’t get off to sleep, try counting sheeple.
Sweet dreams.
I have a nephew with Down’s syndrome who is frightened of the masked people. I think those who can not be reached by the propaganda are thereby immune from the hypnosis, the spell, and so nothing prevents them from sensing the evil circulating all around them
“I desire the death of those who have inflicted this.”
Which would make you a more accomplished mass murderer than all of the great dictators of the 20th century combined. For the record I concur, but feel it is not something that requires our desire. It’s going to happen to the masses regardless. I just hope I live long enough to bear witness to their destruction.
Bastard Daily Mail at it again with another misleading headline: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9293147/Dr-JOHN-LEE-country-held-hostage-one-five-refuse-vaccine.html
Headline: Dr JOHN LEE: Why should the whole country be held hostage BY the one in five who refuse a vaccine?
But that’s not what he said; he said this:
He was talking about Vallance and SAGE using people who don’t want the vaccine as their excuse to keep lockdown gone. The full paragraph goes:
With Lee’s actual quote referring to the above.
Daily Mail are scum!
Getting hammered in the comments; Daily Mail, that is.
FFS!
“Why should the country be held hostage because one-fifth of the population decline to protect themselves?”
So fucking predictable it’s boring. We are dealing with demented demons here folks. Nothing but 100% compliance is going to satisfy their thirst for dominion. Anyone who refuses the potion of death is going to be scapegoated for restrictions not being lifted. It’s been on the cards since March last year.
By the way, if the Daily Fail is admitting to a 20% refusal rate then the reality is probably double that.
I thought the 20% refusal rate was encouraging – that’s 10 million adults if my maths is right – plus all those children. The younger, more active people will be the unvaccinated.
20% of the UK population is 13 million people. I proudly stand in this group, and it will not be a minority that can be dismissed or defeated without serious bloodshed.
Yes – it’s a travesty of what I know to be John’s position after much time spent in discussion – which is a fervent belief in the right of everyone to make their own choices in every aspect of the response to their health.
Anyone suggesting this, such as Vallance are, by definition, the heirs of Mengele – Nazi camp followers.
Forget the poxy roadmap, the only route out of this bullshit that our demonic leadership will allow is at the end of a hypodermic needle. And this is a monumental lie.
Anything less than 100% of every man, woman and child vaccinated means no lifting of restrictions. Until the next variant, and the next vaccine, and so on in perpetuity.
Night all. Hopefully there will be no more free publicity for that fraudulent fuck Ferguson ATL tomorrow.
Basically, he’s right about everything! No amount of emails pointing out that he’s wrong will change his mind.Why is he right? Because he says so, that’s why.
No more of this pish, Toby!
Ferguson’s defender on here, Mayo, has certainly been entertaining though.
He does get a battering on here. Some have even suggested that Ferguson is Mayo, which would be even more entertaining. I generally shun these more technical discussions, it’s not my area and there are far more accomplished practitioners to take up these kind of debates.
I am reminded of an Enfield/Whitehouse sketch:
BBC Interviewer: “Is the government right about everything?”
Minister: “Yes.”
BBC Interviewer: “Are you sure?”
Minister: “Are you doubting me?”
BBC Interviewer: “Not for a moment and I do apologise if I appear to be. Please continue to speak for as long as you like without any interruption whatsoever.”
Minister: “The government is right about everything because it is a good government, composed of extremely intelligent, high-minded and deeply moral ministers.”
First time posting, but long-time reader.
The guy in this vid has an interesting idea about how to spike the propaganda / bait the twitter zealots / newspaper comment junkies.It seems plausible to me but I’d be interested in hearing other views on whether this idea has any legs.
The basic strategy is to ‘become one of them’ add to the propaganda, but go waaaaay darker than they want you to. Instead of arguing with the zealots, support them, agree with their points but take it further which in turn makes them seem more extreme by the stance you’re taking, but subtly enough they don’t notice you’re baiting them.
The idea is to shock the waverers who are just about clinging on to ‘some-day it will be over’… Apparently it’s also quite fun. Perhaps not with your normal social media account though.
This guy explains it way better than I can. https://youtube.com/watch?v=q4HqIIy1E5Y
I’ll post this again tomorrow, I realise I’m right at the end of today’s comment section.
Spot on
Oh my god, Neil Ferguson’s arrogance is disgraceful after his personal history of breaking the rules and his record of giving false calculations in pandemics.
Where did he all of a sudden re-appeared again?!
Is he seriously advising to follow “real” science, when all he does is model based calculations, that of course depend on the data you calculate with? Is that what he calls “real” science?
Calculations of possibilities?! Estimations?!
Is this “undebatable science” to him?
What a joke!
What a shambles. Democracy destroyed . We have all become police states. Really feel for all of you in the UK and Ireland. So fortunate to have migrated to Australia 50 years ago. Madmen and women in charge here to.