It’s Roadmap Day
Today is the big day. First in the House of Commons then later in a Downing Street Press Conference, Boris is expected to unveil the long-awaited roadmap, which will detail the route out of lockdown. The Daily Mail has something of a preview.
The first steps to freedom from lockdown will prioritise reopening schools and reuniting families, Boris Johnson said last night.
In two weeks, on March 8th, you will be able to meet one friend or family member in the park for a coffee or a picnic.
On the same date, all pupils will return to the classroom as part of the first of four steps towards getting the country back on its feet.
Unveiling his long-awaited roadmap today, the Prime Minister will announce that on March 29th, outdoor gatherings of either six people or two households will be allowed – enabling families and friend groups to meet properly for the first time in months.
That date will also see the reopening of tennis courts and golf courses and the return of grassroots football.
But in a blow to many families, they will not be allowed to take holidays over the Easter weekend. And shops, hairdressers and pubs are all likely to remain closed until mid-April at the earliest.
Still a fair amount of time left to spend watching Netflix then. Why so slow? Katy Balls has some analysis in the Spectator. It seems that being criticised in the media and elsewhere for coming out of the spring and autumn lockdown too quickly – and for being prematurely optimistic that each lockdown would be the last – has made Boris ultra-cautious. He wants to avoid any more U-turns if he possibly can.
When Boris Johnson stands at the despatch box on Monday afternoon to unveil his roadmap for ending the lockdown, those hoping for a big bang moment in ending restrictions will be left disappointed. Instead, the Prime Minister will announce a very gradual easing of the lockdown stretching to the summer – with Johnson reserving the right to make it even slower should the data go the wrong way. Having been stung by previous promises to avoid further lockdowns, the roadmap will be more cautious than members of the Conservative party’s Covid Recovery Group would like…
When it comes to the timescale, should deaths and hospitalisations plummet the Prime Minister is still keen to have a period of a few weeks between each easing to see the effect it has on the data. As a result, even if things appear to be going better than expected, it could be a long wait for a full reopening. There will be four tests for easing the lockdown at each stage: 1. Vaccine rollout going as planned 2. The vaccine is driving down deaths and hospitalisations in the way expected 3. The infection rate is one that doesn’t risk the NHS being overwhelmed 4. New variants do not change the risk assessment.
So one bit of good news: the number of infections doesn’t appear to be one of the tests, provided there’s no risk of the NHS being overwhelmed. Does this mean the Zero Covid fanatics have been shown the door? We can but hope.
Worth reading Katy’s piece in full.
The Telegraph has interviewed some of the people most badly affected by the lockdown and they are in no doubt that it must end ASAP.
Lifting lockdown can’t come soon enough for many across the country. While the tragic cost of the pandemic in terms of lives lost has frequently been foregrounded, the cost of the ongoing restrictions has been harder to quantify and often overlooked.
Business owners, mental health and education experts, families, sport coaches and care home managers are now pleading with the Prime Minister to recognise this toll and allow safe reopening as soon as possible.
Michael Caines, chef/patron of Lympstone Manor, Devon
I don’t think it’s extreme, nor is it scaremongering, to say that the hospitality industry is teetering on the edge.
My flagship is Lympstone Manor, a contemporary hotel within an historic country manor house in East Devon, with a vineyard and Michelin-starred restaurant. I’m all set to open another, in Exmouth, which is ready to go. I’m just waiting for the nod from the Government. So much depends on what measures the Prime Minister unveils in his roadmap on Monday…
Sarah Lloyd, 40, mother-of-two from in Farnborough, Hampshire
I have hit absolute burnout. My husband works full-time from home and I run my own business, Indigo Soul PR, while we simultaneously try to homeschool our two daughters, aged seven and five.
It has affected all four of us badly. My two girls are just so pent up and angry all the time, and at one point were even refusing to go out for a walk because they were so upset. They usually get on so well, but at the moment it’s constant tantrums and fights because they just feel so pent up. I really worry about the long-term impact on their mental health…
Sarah Gillow, owner, Galio jewellers, George Street, St Albans
Sarah Gillow opened her high street jeweller in the midst of a recession in 1992. Neither that nor the ups and downs of the intervening years could have prepared her for the brutality of lockdowns, however.
“It’s hit us really hard,” she said, having had to cut staff and watch her sales slide over the latest year…
Business was good between June and November, but lockdown number three came as a major blow. “I never dreamt in a million years that the Government was going to shut us down just before Christmas,” she said.
Worth reading in full.
Come on Boris. The vaccine roll out is going better than anyone could have expected. The weather is good. Foot to the floor!
Stop Press: The Telegraph has a detailed overview of when the different stages of the roadmap are likely to occur.
Derek Winton Responds to Neil Ferguson

Yesterday, we published Professor Neil Ferguson’s reply to a reader who sent him Derek Winton’s critique of the Imperial College modelling. Derek sent us this response.
I’m not sure of the protocol for responding to an email from a third party to another third party but given that the initial article was published on Lockdown Sceptics perhaps it’s appropriate for the follow up to be published there too.
I should start by saying I don’t suspect any sinister intent on the part of Professor Ferguson or believe he’s part of a conspiracy. As someone with a background in the hard sciences who also got their start in the heyday of British ‘bedroom coders’ I even feel a certain amount of kinship.
To me this is a governance issue. Decisions on pandemic response strategies affect millions of lives and in my (hopefully not unreasonable) opinion should be based on the very highest quality of information and subject to the highest level of scrutiny.
In my article I made eight substantive claims, summarised below:
- The Imperial model was influential in the decision to pursue a lockdown strategy.
- The research for ‘Report 9’ was not peer reviewed.
- The model was not documented.
- Professor Ferguson apparently has no formal training in computer modelling, medicine or epidemiology.
- Projections of death tolls from the same team in previous epidemics had been out by several orders of magnitude.
- The code was of poor quality from a legibility stand point.
- The model is an attempt to model a highly complex (and therefore highly sensitive) system but omits at least one key variable.
- Projections based on the Imperial model for Sweden were out by a factor of seven and therefore the model was not fit for purpose.
Leaving aside the link to The Conspiracy Theory Handbook, Professor Ferguson does not appear to dispute any of these points. Instead, he points out that other models made equivalent predictions and the report I cite for predictions on Sweden did not in fact use the Imperial model. It’s tempting to say at this point that the prosecution rests but of course we should allow Professor Ferguson the chance to rebut any of the above points.
Professor Ferguson does raise some points though that raise even more questions. Taking them in turn:
1) The Imperial model was influential in the decision to pursue a lockdown strategy
Other Models
Professor Ferguson points out that several other models, upon which the Government relied “all agreed”.
The models written by LSHTM, Warwick University and Institut Pasteur Paris all agreed with “the” Imperial model. All used different code bases.
And in fact, there was never “one” Imperial model, but several. We now have 4 different COVID models, again which all agree.
Where are the code bases, designs, documentation and assumptions for these models? Given that the Imperial model was considered the gold standard, couldn’t we be forgiven for having concerns about these models too?
What exactly is meant by the term ‘agree’? Do they predict the same death tolls in all of the scenarios modelled in Report 9? If not, by how much do they vary?
The ‘reality’
Professor Ferguson also states that:
Government responses… were driven by the reality that any disease which generates epidemics which double every 3-4 days and for which over 2% of those infected require hospitalisation will overwhelm any health system that exists.”
[Emphasis mine]
This is what philosophers would call question begging, i.e., assuming what we are trying to prove. Of course if we assume the epidemic doubles every 3-4 days indefinitely, any health service would be overwhelmed. The critical question for the Government was to determine whether the epidemic would continue to double every 3-4 days and for how long, and it was this question that the computer modellers purported to answer.
8) Projections based on the Imperial model for Sweden were out by a factor of seven
Professor Ferguson claims that “no-one ran the Imperial model for Sweden (other than us)”. Here he is absolutely correct. Indeed, it is impossible for anyone outside of the Imperial team to run the exact model (used to generate Report 9) as the original source code was never released.
It’s surely reasonable to ask then: If the team did indeed model Sweden, what did they find?
We have created a separate page for Derek Winton’s response and stuck it on the right-hand side beneath Prof Ferguson’s response filed under “How Reliable is the Modelling?”
Other Readers’ Responses
A number of Lockdown Sceptics readers were intrigued by Professor Ferguson’s reply, and indeed by his inclusion of a link to The Conspiracy Theory Handbook. One reader, who has been published here before, even went so far as to send us a line by line analysis of his email.
I was interested to see Professor Neil Ferguson’s reply to one of your readers. I was surprised he had replied, but no less surprised that anyone had bothered to write to him.
Now, I think it’s a bit unfair to write to someone and then publish that person’s reply, especially if it hadn’t been made clear the reply would be published. However, it has been, and I suppose anyone in public life would have to be naïve to believe that anything they say is immune to being disseminated more widely.
I thought it would be interesting therefore to analyse the reply.
“I presume you sent me this because you feel upset, angry, that no-one is listening, want to hurt me or change my mind. Or all of the above.“
Here we have an assumption of motive. The writer, who is a woman, is depicted as having become emotional (‘angry, upset’), seeing herself as a frustrated victim (‘no-one is listening’), aggressive (‘want to hurt me’) and manipulative (‘want… to change my mind’). Therefore, the original email is dismissed as having come from someone who is behaving irrationally and antagonistically. This is not an especially surprising opening gambit because it is designed immediately to create the impression that the original writer has lost control in some way and therefore by implication that Professor Ferguson is in contrast a rational being who is still in control of himself.
What is odd is that the email he’s responding to just asked him whether he’d seen Derek Winton’s article, but Professor Ferguson, at this point, makes no mention of that. He has responded initially only by seeking to diminish the sender. However, he has only just started.
“I and my colleagues and friends (John Edmunds, Jeremy Farrar, Marc Lipsitch, Christian Drosten, Patrick Vallance, Chris Whitty,…) get so many of these sort of emails that we barely notice anymore. Most get dumped into junk mail folders automatically nowadays.“
This is an interesting paragraph. Firstly, it involves telling the sender that he, Professor Ferguson, is a member of a strong gang consisting of “colleagues and friends”. This means that the sender is attacking the gang, and here he reinforces the idea that the sender is talking rubbish by referring to the way that such emails normally get “dumped into junk folders”. The implication is therefore that even email client algorithms are able to detect such emails as automatically worthless.
Secondly, the listing of gang members is designed to be intimidating, reminding the writer that his assault is against a powerful cabal of highly-qualified people who by being “friends’”will therefore act together to protect each other. Such is their status that they don’t even “notice [these emails] any more”. This is an important way of maximizing the distance between the writer and Professor Ferguson.
We thought this fisking of Ferguson’s email was so good we’ve stuck it in the right-hand menu, where you can read it in full.
Other readers got in touch with additional matters they’d like to see put to Professor Ferguson’s comments. One, for example, flagged up the question of seasonality, which as Nottingham University Student Glen Bishop recently wrote in Lockdown Sceptics, was not considered by the Imperial Model.
He has four models and they all agree, as do various other academic models. Well, colour me convinced. I would however bet a meal for four at the Fat Duck that they all assume NPIs work and that none of them model either seasonality or partial pre-existing immunity.
Our reader also pointed out that Ferguson…
wrote about “epidemics that double every 3-4 days”. I’m not aware of any time-point where SARS-CoV2 was doubling that fast, whether in positive tests, hospitalisations or deaths.
In any event, if the epidemic had doubled every 3.5 days and starting with one case, then everyone in the UK would be infected in three months (and the entire world population around 24 days later). Since we probably started with at least 1,000 imported cases that falls to 56 days for the UK population to succumb in its entirety.
Another reader got in touch with a straightforward point about the inaccuracy of the modelling.
I suggest that someone email Mr. Ferguson and ask if he can thus explain why all of the models presented on October 31st failed to match what really happened, as shown in the graph presented and update daily in the Spectator.

Neil Ferguson’s Original Correspondent Responds – and He Responds Again!
The reader who originally wrote to Prof Ferguson has herself replied to his email – and he, in turn, replied to her, and she then replied to that.
Here is their exchange in full.
Dear Professor Ferguson,
I was surprised to get a reply to my email – but frankly amazed to read the content of the link you sent me. Is that really the best you can do? Do you respond to other scientists’ theories by shutting them down by yelling ‘conspiracy theorist’? Instead of engaging with the central tenet of the argument, that your/Imperial/LSHTM/Warwick University/Institut Pasteur Paris model might be wrong, you call me a conspiracy theorist. That is very odd and suggests to me it’s you that have developed a very warped sense of reality and that maybe you do not understand what is going on in people’s lives. We look at ONS/NHS data every day on cases/hospitalisations/deaths, not wild theories.
So let me speak from personal experience. I have 21 year-old twins, studying at Bristol (Economics) and Montpellier (Year abroad) respectively. Their lives are relatively rubbish at the moment, no enjoyment of the university life for which my daughter at Bristol is paying £18K a year. My son is living under a curfew. But I accept, not a disaster. Their friend killed himself while incarcerated as a student last year. He was in despair.
Just this week we heard of the suicide of a lovely man my husband met at the gym, a Tunisian. He worked as a waiter, so I guess he had financial worries.
We help a Syrian Refugee family in the town. Two children, aged six and 12. In the summer we realised that all the progress they had made at their excellent primary school was slipping away and that the 12 year-old was losing his English (they speak Arabic at home) so we started doing lessons at our house for the mum and the two children. We realised that the boy was virtually illiterate. His parents had been so terrorised by the fear porn churned out by the government (acting on your/Imperial/LSHTM/Warwick University/Institut Pasteur Paris models) that they would not send the children back to school even though they were ‘allowed’, being in Years 1 and 6. He then started at the local High school, has got into fights, been bullied and I fear for his future. His life chances have been damaged by having his education denied to him by this government relying on the models mentioned above. Of course our weekly lessons had to stop. Online learning started. The family did not have a laptop. The Government agencies that get paid handsomely to do so could not provide a laptop, so we set up a charity to recycle laptops to deprived children.
We’ve helped him and 178 other children in our nice leafy middle-class Stratford-on-Avon. I wonder what it’s like in Middlesborough, Fleetwood, Great Yarmouth? Multiply my young Syrian friend’s experience by literally millions and you start to approach the truth (not a conspiracy theory!) of the world that you have been key in ushering in (and of course LSHTM, Warwick University and the Institut Pasteur Paris). So many young people’s lives will be poorer, in so many ways. My point is this is real world stuff, not theory (either your theory or a conspiracy theory).
Me and my husband both have widowed mothers. His mum is 94 – one of the last years of her life has been lived in almost total isolation. She has 14 grandchildren who are (should read, were) very involved in her life, regularly travelling 2.5 hours+ to visit her in Suffolk. All stopped. She’s living life as a husk. Both her and my mother’s mobility have seriously declined, because they do not go out any more, due to lockdown (not the virus). My mum is I’d say typical of a lot of 87 year-olds. She’s reasonably intelligent, used to be a teacher. She lives alone in the house she’s lived in for the last 63 years. It is completely in the ‘back of beyond’. The house sits atop a sea wall and the nearest land mass looking west is Ireland. The Irish Sea hits the house at high tide. She is miles from anywhere and has no part of community life. She isn’t online and gets all her news from the BBC (refusing a newspaper in case “it’s on it”– the virus). The house is for sale as it’s a mad place for an 87 year-old to live in but she won’t allow any viewings – you can guess why. Her mobility is also much reduced and she is desperately lonely. I haven’t seen her in over a year. This isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s my mum’s life. She lives like this because of the messaging from the Government, acting as a result of modelling by you/Imperial/LSHTM/Warwick University/Institut Pasteur Paris. The aim of the Government was to terrify the population. I do hope you of all people do not think that this is a conspiracy theory. I’ve read the relevant minutes from Behavioural Insights Team (BIT) on March 22nd 2020 which says among other things:
A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened
The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent using hard-hitting emotional messaging
Use media to increase sense of personal threat
Perhaps you think the 47 signatories to this petition are also conspiracy theorists? The BIT feeds into SAGE – so count yourself as part of all this – and together they have set out to terrorise us – and you’ve done such a brilliant job that people like my mum (who has had her first vaccine) is unlikely ever to resume normal life again. Her house won’t sell and we’ll have the same horrendous problems trying to get carers for her as we did for my dad four years ago – except that unlike him, he had mum, she’ll be alone. Just telling you what real life looks like.
Do you get it? You might live a nice comfortable life as an academic. I too want for nothing (apart from normality). I am sufficiently well off to shield my three children from the coming, shall we call them, difficulties. It’s the ‘left behind’, the marginalised, the poor, the lonely elderly, the millions upon millions of dirt poor people in the developing world that keeps me awake at night. So yes, I’m angry. But you call me the conspiracy theorist! Do you not see reports like this: 270 million marching towards starvation (perhaps they too are infected with conspiracy theories?). This isn’t the virus that’s caused this, it’s lockdowns. First World lockdowns have a terrible impact on the the Third/Developing world – I don’t think that’s in contention. Surely you can see that? Even if you didn’t foresee it as a consequence.
Or this in the Lancet: 94 million children at risk of not getting their measles vaccine (perhaps the Lancet is in on the conspiracy?)
Maybe if you, Whitty, Valance, Drosten, Farrar and Edmunds are all merrily putting communications in your junk folder you really are totally unaware of what is happening in the real world? Pause: think: what if they are right? What if only half of what I say is right? I thought scientists were supposed to welcome their theories being challenged? I thought that’s how they are tested. You describe me as being “sucked into” an “alternate reality” – and that is precisely my beef – you are the one living in a land of modelled theories – I am the one asking you to look at my reality – the ‘on the ground Real World’ data. What has happened in countries which didn’t/couldn’t lock down? Yes, look at Sweden, though it obviously pains you do to do so. How to explain its death rate? Or Texas? Or Brazil? Or Belarus? How is that a conspiracy? Is the FT in on the conspiracy? Worldometers? Perhaps the health reporting agencies are in on it too!

I might not be an epidemiologist but it’s fairly obvious to me that your model (and that of Imperial/LSHTM/Warwick University/Institut Pasteur Paris) is out by several orders of magnitude and the fact that you resort to calling people who disagree with it “conspiracy theorists” only serves to illustrate how far down the rabbit hole you have fallen. Oh, and what is wrong in pointing out that you have made the self-same error with Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Foot and Mouth? Or do you dispute those figures when you say I’m quoting the “same old misinformation”? Are all those reporting your past predictions v the actuality also in on the conspiracy?
I loathe this Government and its key players in this, the worst mistake the world has ever made. You – I would say that you are obviously a decent human being and I wonder if you do not see that you are going to be hung out to dry by those chancers running this operation. Just look at their record – the failed Test and Trace, the corruption, the care home deaths, the infection rate in hospitals – you have hitched your star to the worst Government we have ever had but unfortunately it will forever be your name attached to ‘The Science’ that drove them. If you can’t see that then you are not as clever as we all were led to believe. You and Imperial/LSHTM/Warwick University/Institut Pasteur Paris have made the biggest mistake of all time and in my view the sooner you accept it and try and proffer some sort of explanation the better. The truth might be able to be suppressed in our society now so bereft of free speech, but it will come out – starting in other countries.
I find it unfathomable that you/Imperial/LSHTM/Warwick University/Institut Pasteur Paris were listened to, the Pandemic Preparedness Plan thrown away and we embarked on lockdowns, with the rest of the world following. Perhaps you could do some good at this late stage by trying to get the mass-testing/False Positive Rate sorted out (by following the WHO’s guidelines, for instance) otherwise we are never going to get out of this mess. My husband drew this up – from Government data.

Sorry for the long email. The conclusion I’ve reached that it’s you that is living in some parallel universe if you think that I am the conspiracy theorist. The world lies in tatters because of your/Imperial/LSHTM/Warwick University/Institut Pasteur Paris theory.
If you’ve got this far, thanks for reading.
XXXX
Surprisingly, Neil Ferguson replied.
Dear XXXX
I would start by asking whether you really think I and my colleagues are unaware of the social and economic consequences of societal restrictions? Every life lost is a tragedy, whatever the cause. And I absolutely agree that this pandemic – and the measures adopted – have hit the poorest hardest.
But I wonder what you think motivates me and my (many hundreds of) fellow scientists who have been working on this pandemic for over a year? It certainly isn’t publicity or a desire to impose draconian rules on society. Nor do I have any love of lockdown restrictions myself, personally or ideologically. I don’t know anyone who does. Rather, we are trying to learn as much as possible about the epidemiology of this virus and how best to limit its health impacts.
The judgement call on the balance between compulsory measures and voluntary recommendations is a political one, but the effectiveness of each is likely culturally specific. Sweden made one set of choices, Denmark and Norway another. The result is that Sweden has had fewer restrictions overall, but has had 3-4x the per capita death toll of its neighbours. Our death toll is higher still not because we over-reacted, but because we introduced measures too late last March, and then repeated the mistake last autumn. And because of factors which were just bad luck – the level of seeding last February and the new variant last November.
As for the UK, what are you really suggesting the Government should have done back in December in response to the new variant and the overwhelming levels of hospital demand seen in London and elsewhere? Let people continue to go about their normal business as thousands died at home or on hospital corridors, as is happening in Mexico?
And to reassure you, we track the pandemic globally. And have a significant research programme comparing how different countries have responded. I am a bit surprised you point to Brazil as a success story though. And if you highlight Belarus, why not China?
I am also aware that there is a continuum between scepticism and outright conspiracy theory craziness. But some of the “facts” you and the lockdown sceptics throw out are tending towards the latter category. Remember the claims that there would be no second wave and that we were just experiencing a “casedemic”?
False positive rates are not a major issue at present. We are aware they will need to be accounted for more in future though. Also, while every suicide is tragic, there is no evidence that the suicide rate has increased in the last year. I am actually much more worried about all the cancer diagnoses and treatments which were postponed in the last few months due to Covid-related NHS demand.
I certainly agree there are many lessons to be learned from this pandemic – including regarding test and trace (especially early on) and care homes. I do not see myself as a Government cheerleader. Indeed, one of the depressing aspects of the discourse around this pandemic is the politicisation of science.
Best,
Neil
Our reader then replied to Prof Ferguson.
Dear Neil,
Thank you for your considered response.
I suspect you epidemiologists are told that there will be economic and other consequences of the lockdowns but I, and many others, think you have got the balance wrong. The precautionary principle has overtaken acceptable risk. I was quite taken aback by your link to the conspiracy theory website, which does make me worry that reasonable suggestions are being rebuffed by you and people like you as “crazy conspiracy theories”. I hope you would concede that I have made some valid points to you about the outcomes of lockdowns.
You asked in your first reply what would I have done, dealing with a disease that would see 2% in hospital. Nowhere in the world have cases continued to grow “exponentially”, regardless of the level of NPIs imposed. My point is (and I rely on real world data to support it) that you and your colleagues have concentrated on the 2% to the enormous disbenefit of the other 98% and society in general. We might argue what the IFR is but whether it’s 10 in a 1,000 or two in a 1,000, the BBC and government ministers have focused too much on the (let’s settle for four in 1,000) fatalities rather than 996 recoveries. The result is a terrorised population, lacking the ability to get the risks into perspective and the very real long term threat that people will never get back to normal for fear of flu or other seasonal illnesses. We can’t all live forever.
How can you argue against the fact that other countries do illuminate what could happen if a different approach to NPIs were taken? That NPIs (or lack thereof) made very little difference to Covid health outcomes and that the disease didn’t grow exponentially in those countries, such as Vietnam, India and Japan? Are you suggesting all the data I’ve been looking at – Euromomo, the FT, Worldometers – are somehow presenting false information? How does that make me and other sceptics (not deniers, obviously!) conspiracy theorists? It does rather suggest an over sensitivity on your part.
Yes, I overlooked the cancers/other missed health treatments (so many other horrors to mention). A year down the line, do you not consider that the cure is going to be worse than the disease, in cancer/missed treatments alone, quite apart from the other societal/economic/libertarian damage
By the way, which ‘fact’ in my email makes you think I am on the side of conspiracy theory craziness? I think that we should have lived with a greater degree of risk and that in fact you have opened a Pandora’s Box of fear and risk aversion which is going to be a constant plague. Though with a trashed economy, I’m not sure how it’s going to be paid for, if we are to have annual lockdowns. I think that we should have dealt with it differently, by following the Pandemic Preparedness Plan, by shielding the vulnerable (think: Great Barrington Declaration). It might have seemed an impossible task but it is nothing compared to what we have done. We’ll never agree that the NPIs delivered a step change in outcome – but as I said, those who disagree with you can point to countries which didn’t use them/used them lightly and observe that the death rates were much the same as those who did lock down. I guess my point is that if your (and all the other institutions you mention) model were to be tested against these countries, your modelled response would be very far apart from what actually happened. Is that calling it wrong? Or just out by several factors.
We’ve infantilised the population, created an enormous health crisis and trashed the economy. We’ve turned a once-in-40-years health crisis into a cataclysmic health/economic/political/societal disaster. I agree I don’t know what part your input played in these decisions, but I know that you are so frequently on our airwaves some people think you were pretty instrumental.
But thank you for your time in engaging with me.
Best wishes
XXXX
COVID-19 UK Strategy: Have We Got It Wrong and at What Cost?

Today we’re publishing an original essay by Sarah Williamson BSc Dip ION (Dist.), a nutritional therapist with a degree in economics. Now that nearly a year has passed since the country adopted the strategy described at the time as “three weeks to flatten the curve”, Sarah investigates why we did what we did, the key factors that truly explain the peak in cases that we saw in Spring 2020, and crucially whether lockdowns actually stop or slow the infection (Spoiler alert: not really). Finally, she takes a look at the cost.
Coronavirus, a year ago, seemed like something peculiar to Wuhan in China – Oh! How we might long for those days. Since then, like most countries across the world, the UK has pursued a strategy that began with “three weeks to flatten the curve” and has stretched out to restrictions for the best part of a year?
The aim of the UK strategy was to postpone COVID-19 deaths until an effective vaccine became available and to reduce the likelihood of the NHS becoming overwhelmed, allowing surgeries and treatments to continue. The mantra has been “Save lives; protect the NHS”. The real question now is did we save lives and protect the NHS? The question we need to answer is not are the hospitals busy, but did our strategy help reduce hospitalisations and deaths?
Our aim should be saving the most lives, not just COVID-19-positive lives and reducing NHS admissions.
What did the WHO guidelines for a pandemic recommend and why did we do something else?
In October 2019, the WHO guidelines for a respiratory pandemic suggested the following – regular hand washing, respiratory etiquette (i.e. don’t cough or sneeze on people), face masks for symptomatic people, regular cleaning of surfaces, open windows and doors and isolate the sick.
Contact tracing, once the disease has taken hold, was not recommended. The quarantine of exposed individuals was not advised. Border closures were not recommended. School closures were advised only under extreme circumstances and only after careful consideration of the consequences for the wider community. Lockdown of healthy individuals was not mentioned.
So where did the idea come from? Did we import the idea from the Chinese, who exported pictures of a ghostlike Wuhan? Was it this, coupled with the fear generated by the press stories of a ‘killer virus’ spreading uncontrolled throughout the world? No longer in far off China, but now here, in Europe. With reports of deaths in all age groups – no-one was safe. The ‘three weeks of restrictions to flatten the curve’ seemed at least reasonable to most, whilst hospitals geared up.
Who did it affect and why did we have such a peak in spring 2020?
SARS-CoV-2 is recognised as a seasonal virus, like many other corona viruses responsible for the common cold. In the UK in the spring the virus spread rapidly killing the vulnerable, particularly those in care homes, causing a highly unusual spike in deaths.
Notably the viral transmission rate, from the moment we started charting it, appears to have already been decelerating (this was highlighted by Nobel prize winner Sir Michael Levitt). This is a mathematical proof, one that is easy to reproduce, for example plotting the difference in the natural logarithm of the weekly fatal infections in London.
A good summary of the sceptics’ case. Very much worth reading in full.
Postcard from Bali

We have a new addition to our collection of postcards from around the world to add to the growing number on the right-hand side. We originally called this “Around the World in 80 Lockdowns” but at this rate we’ll end up with more than 80 postcards. This one comes to us from Georgie Day, a digital nomad who is now “stuck” in Bali. The Covid world has intruded somewhat on Indonesia’s Paradise Island – it’s brought masks, curfews and widespread temperature checks – and yet Bali still seems like a very nice place to be.
Despite this global pandemic, widespread anxiety and fear, I do feel out here that my life has become incredibly uncomplicated and very simple and I’m not sure if it’s the Bali Effect. My mental load feels exceedingly stripped back I seem to have found clarity and direction in the stillness of allowing myself to not be stressed, pushing, doing, thinking.
The Bali lifestyle can be frustrating at times. But the ‘expat’ community, to date largely comprised of ‘digital nomads’ – a new term referring to the nomadic (non-locals) with digital occupations (jobs/work/income that relies almost entirely on functioning wi-fi and a laptop) – maintain the buzz of a semi-Western ‘societal norm’ in this eclectic fusion of creative, tropical paradise Neverland. The traditional Balinese culture sings through in the beautiful acts of faithful devotion, frequent ceremonies at the religious temples, daily offerings to the spirits, respectful dress and appropriate uniform. However, the beautiful third-world nature during this time can sometimes miss the mark, as in order to dodge a hefty monetary fine, we can do push-ups or sing a song if caught by the Banjar (local mafia/police) driving around without a mask on.
I’m still not sure what to make of my current reality. Despite needing to wear a mask, sanitise hands and temperature check at the entrance of every establishment, to have access to the amazing world created for transient Bali holiday-makers here in this tourist town, with no traffic, queues, and at discounted rates and daily food deals as businesses battle to maintain their customer flow off the remaining Westerners of Bali. Currently, lockdown laws also enforce a 9pm (just moved from 8pm) curfew, where everything must close, hence the early to bed, early rise routine (yes, happy hours now just start at 2pm!).
I have to often pinch myself, as Bali right now really is a scene in itself. Only here could I be sitting in a Swedish inspired and owned cafe sipping an almond Matcha latte whilst cows roam the streets and the neighbouring plot of land, or driving my motorbike across the island to a New Moon ceremony after shooting for a bikini label on the beach all day. Where I get my need-to-know news updates from Instagram profiles and Tinder is obsolete if you have an Amo Spa or Body Factory membership.
I must admit it continues to surprise me that despite all the creative talent residing here currently (photographers, videographers, designers, branding and marketing creatives, models), and all the #content available, that there has not yet been a Netflix Originals reality series created on The Life of a Digital Nomad in Bali during COVID-19. (Any takers? I’ll hook you up!)
Worth reading in full.
Round Up
- “End outside sport ban, top scientist urges Johnson as all adults set for jab by July” – The Guardian reports the comments of Professor Mark Woolhouse who says there’s no need to forbid outdoor sport for children and a small numbers of adults
- “So much for social distancing! Crowds flock to parks and beauty spots as Britain basks in a balmy 60F temperatures on hottest day of the year so far” – MailOnline reports on further indications that people are beginning to tire of the lockdown
- “There is no roadmap that can take us back to the way things used to be” – A return to the normal of 2019 is not on the cards, says Nick Timothy in the Telegraph
- “Vaccination offers us a road out of lockdown. Let’s take it” – Writing for the Spectator, Dr Raghib Ali argues that the extraordinary success of the vaccination programme means that Boris can now temper his caution with optimism and provide a clear path out of lockdown
- “We must resist the powerful voices arguing for Zero Covid” – Vaccines will make the virus no more lethal than flu, so why sacrifice freedom and prosperity in a doomed attempt to eliminate it completely? A powerful argument by Professor Robert Dingwall in yesterday’s Mail on Sunday
- “What about a ‘third wave’” – The Swiss Doctor considers the possibility of a third coronavirus wave in March 2021. He reckons it’s entirely possible
- “Expect flu to surge next winter, warn experts” – Some scientific experts are warning that the world may face a dramatic resurgence or flu next year, due to falling immunity levels, the Telegraph reports
- “Fears brain-swelling Nipah virus with up to 75% death rate ‘may become next pandemic’” – The Mirror reports that the WHO has identified the deadly Nipah disease as one of 16 pathogens that need to be researched due to their potential to spark a pandemic
- “Christian group fined £10k for Bulwell car park meet” – A BBC item reporting on the Nottingham church that was fined after meeting in a pub car park. As an aside, the ‘guidance‘ on how to make places of worship Covid safe is voluminous and depressing
- “The case for lockdown is built on intellectual dishonesty” – Another fine essay for the Conservative Woman, this one by Mark Ellse
- “Covid madness: students, jabs and jobs – The Week in Review” – The Bournbrook podcast takes a look back at the week gone by
- “Two coronavirus variants have merged – here’s what you need to know” – The New Scientist reports that the UK variant has met the Californian, and formed a hybrid
- “It’s Not Clear That We Actually Need Human Challenge Trials for COVID-19, But the UK Is Moving Ahead With Them Anyway” – Time raises an eyebrow at another example of the UK leading the world
- “The Zero Covid movement: Cult dressed as science” – After lockdowns and mask mandates comes Zero Covid. Jenin Younes takes a closer at this approach to the containment of disease and those advocating it for the AIER blog
- “Insight from my mum on freedom” – Ethan Yang on the AIER blog makes a plea, stemming from his heritage, for all readers to stand for freedom
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Eighteen today: “Unhappy Anniversary” by Vitamin C, “Follow the Yellow Brick Road” by Judy Garland, “Into The Light” by Mariana Bell, “Plan B” by Kevin Rowland and Dexy’s Midnight Runners, “I Can Hardly Stand It” by the Cramps, “Take Me Home Country Roads” by Toots and the Maytals, “Hit The Road Jack” by Ray Charles, “Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered” by Ella Fitzgerald, “I Wanna Rule The World” by 10cc, “Wastelands” by Suede, “Bad Day” by R.E.M, “In A Rut” by the Ruts, “Hole in My Life” by the Police, “Strange World” by Iron Maiden, “2+2=5” by Radiohead, “Everyday Is A Winding Road” by Sheryl Crow and “The Final Countdown” by Europe.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email Lockdown Sceptics here.
Sharing Stories
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Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you a recent paper in the British Dental Journal which seeks to address racial inequalities in dental education. How should we do that? By decolonising the dental curriculum, obviously.
Like other healthcare professions, dentistry has a historical legacy of being conceptualised as a ‘white’ profession. Despite a growing population of students in higher education including medicine and dentistry, there are stark ethnic disparities in UK academic employment and approximately 76% of academic faculty and staff members identified as white, 9% as Asian and 2% as Black. This is also reflected in the low proportion of minority ethnic dental academics in senior posts in UK dental schools.
Ethnic disparities in turn may influence the power relations and academic hierarchies in dental schools and pose an impediment to proportional representation of minority ethnic staff and students in institutional strategy and decision-making processes. Data from medical schools also highlight that students tend to accept that career progression may be dependent on their capacity to tolerate intimidation and they may not feel confident in questioning the underlying power relations and rules of engagement…
Decolonisation of dental curricula needs to be considered in a psychosocial context. Racial inequalities in dental education have a negative impact on the educational experiences of students from minority ethnic groups and may contribute to poor educational experiences and attainment gaps, and pose barriers to career progression. Lack of representation of minority ethnic groups in dental curricula can also translate into disparities in patient care for minority ethnic groups, with far-reaching implications for their health and wellbeing. If dental schools are to make meaningful progress on decolonisation of curricula, it would require: a systematic review of the existing governance structure; appropriate representation and empowerment of minority ethnic staff and students in existing committee memberships; and treating decolonisation as a strategic priority
Decolonisation of the dental curricula is also fundamental to improve the cultural competence of dental graduates and warrants a review of curriculum content and delivery, provision of dental care in community settings and promotion of reflective practices…
Get your teeth into it here.
Stop Press: The Wall Street Journal has an an interview with Professor John Staddon who, following a brush with anti-racism and anti-bias training, is speaking out against woke dogma in American universities. “When we lower our standards to pretend we know what we don’t know, we diminish the work and misinform society,” he says.
Stop Press 2: If you thought being a vegan was sufficient to win you plenty of brownie points with the woke left, think again. You may be suffering from “white veganism“, which is only one step away from being a white supremacist.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to obtain a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card – because wearing a mask causes them “severe distress”, for instance. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and the Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here and Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Tom Jefferson’s Spectator article about the Danish mask study here.
Stop Press: The South Wales Argus reports that those with mask exemptions are experiencing increasing amounts of discrimination.
Stop Press 2: Dr Fauci has confirmed that it may be necessary for Americans to wear masks in 2022, WYMT news reports.
Washington (CNN) Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that it’s “possible” Americans will still need to wear masks in 2022 to protect against the coronavirus, even as the U.S. may reach “a significant degree of normality” by the end of this year.
Asked by CNN’s Dana Bash on State of the Union whether he thinks Americans will still need to wear masks next year, Fauci replied: “You know, I think it is possible that that’s the case and, again, it really depends on what you mean by normality.”
The comments from Fauci come as the US COVID-19 death toll approaches 500,000 and the country nears a full year in its fight against the virus. And though the US is now steadily rolling out vaccines to fight the pandemic, the nation’s top infectious disease expert underscored the importance of mitigation measures to fight the aggressive virus and its emerging variants as many Americans express pandemic fatigue.
Fauci told Bash that while he can’t predict when the US might return to operating as it did before the pandemic took hold, he thinks that by the end of this year “we’re going to have a significant degree of normality beyond the terrible burden that all of us have been through over the last year”.
The Great Barrington Declaration

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. In February, Facebook deleted the GBD’s page because it “goes against our community standards”. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.
Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here. Sign up to the newsletter here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many legal cases being brought against the Government and its ministers we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
The Simon Dolan case has now reached the end of the road. The current lead case is the Robin Tilbrook case which challenges whether the Lockdown Regulations are constitutional, although that case, too, has been refused permission to proceed. There’s still one more thing that can be tried. You can read about that and contribute here.
The GoodLawProject and three MPs – Debbie Abrahams, Caroline Lucas and Layla Moran – brought a Judicial Review against Matt Hancock for failing to publish details of lucrative contracts awarded by his department and it was upheld. The Court ruled Hancock had acted unlawfully.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject and Runnymede Trust’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
Scottish Church leaders from a range of Christian denominations have launched legal action, supported by the Christian Legal Centre against the Scottish Government’s attempt to close churches in Scotland for the first time since the the Stuart kings in the 17th century. The church leaders emphasised it is a disproportionate step, and one which has serious implications for freedom of religion.” Further information available here.
There’s the class action lawsuit being brought by Dr Reiner Fuellmich and his team in various countries against “the manufacturers and sellers of the defective product, PCR tests”. Dr Fuellmich explains the lawsuit in this video. Dr Fuellmich has also served cease and desist papers on Professor Christian Drosten, co-author of the Corman-Drosten paper which was the first and WHO-recommended PCR protocol for detection of SARS-CoV-2. That paper, which was pivotal to the roll out of mass PCR testing, was submitted to the journal Eurosurveillance on January 21st and accepted following peer review on January 22nd. The paper has been critically reviewed here by Pieter Borger and colleagues, who also submitted a retraction request, which was rejected in February.
And last but not least there was the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review on December 9th and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.
Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
Vaccine sceptics will enjoy this – “mRNA” by our favourite band Media Bear. Worth a watch. Some of the lyrics cut to the quick. And all sung to the tune of “YMCA” by the Village People.


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Good morning sceptics.
So, we have successfully seen off the zero-Covid mob. Well done, one and all. As will I – I am sure we will all enjoy reminding certain people of certain things they’ve said from now until eternity.
Next in our sights? Well, it has to be Vaccine Passport apartheid loonies. And to aid us in this worthy cause, we have an opportunity to wipe the governing party out at the polls in May. Which is nice. A good three-month run up.
Good morning. Here is a brilliant article. It brings together (with corroborated references) the different strands of what is behind this plandemic.
https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/02/19/cui-bono-the-covid-19-conspiracy/
“Faced with evidence of the power of these organisations to ‘create our own reality’, our first resort, it seems, is to denounce their existence, like children who hope that, by closing their eyes, the monster at the bottom of their bed will disappear.”.
I will try to re-post the above as the first comment in tomorrows edition. It is that good!
Sorry if I’m late to the party. What’s the rationale of vaccine passports? 100 people in the pub, 98 jabbed, me and the missis climb in the window without a jab or passport. Who the hell is in danger. Make that 20 of the 100. Strangers. Aware of the risk. (99.5% survival)!) Allowing the unjabbed into the group only endangers themselves .
Put this point to ‘doing our bit by rolling the sleeve up’ colleagues and they had no answer. Mind you, when I ask them if they knew what was being put into them, most had no answer either. It must be safe because ‘they’ say so etc etc. FML. The corks coming out now..Goodnight.
PS. I suppose if I’d been naughty boy, and tapped my passport at the door of the pub/shop/gathering/travel agent, I could be refused entry/travel. Gosh, that will never happen, will it me old china? Just saying….
Just say you’re in the experimental trials no jab group. That’ll get them thinking.
Yep. I’ve got this one lined up for the school gate. Going to airily announce that I’ve signed up (by remaining unvaccinated) for the Control Group of the last two year stage of the trials. Like you, I’m hoping some poor, tired brains might park into action.
A vaccine confers immunity. It does this regardless of whether anyone else has been vaccinated. Thus a vaccinated individual has nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. However, the products being pushed as Covid 19 vaccines are not vaccines. They are treatments of at best tiny efficacy and of unknown risk for a disease that presents no significant risk to the vast majority.
What ever you like to call it a vaccine, gene therapy or just prophylaxis they claim it reduces the severity of disease so by their standards it will reduce pressure on their NHS therefore it doesn’t need to be compulsory by their own criteria.
Israel has been presented as leading the ‘vaccine race’. That is a little surprising given Israel has not been badly affected by the pandemic (worse than Denmark, better than Sweden, much better than the UK). It seems this is because the Israeli government has signed a deal with Pfizer requiring an unknown proportion of the Israeli population to be vaccinated within an unknown (presumably short) timeframe for the project to be ‘successful’.
The redacted Israeli MoH – Pfizer contract is here. Key sections have been redacted, as explicitly commented on by the reviwer:
https://govextra.gov.il/media/30806/11221-moh-pfizer-collaboration-agreement-redacted.pdf
An analysis (legalese to English) is given here:
https://rivkalevy.com/caught-in-the-lie-pfizer-and-the-ministry-of-health/
The reviewer provides their credentials:
I am a corporate lawyer of more than 20 years’ experience. In that time, I have drafted and reviewed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of contracts similar to the Agreement.
I have reviewed the Agreement which has been made available to the public (the “Public Version”), and it is my considered view that this Public Version has been redacted (amended or changed) from the original version. The summary is:
“… the Ministry of Health has released a different document to the public.This is not the original document, even with all the ‘blacked out’… Read more »
Whatever the answer to that question the situation is still very worrying viz taking part in this experimental gene therapy being sold as a vaccine. I wonder where personal health insurance underwriters stand on this. Surely taking part in clinical drugs/vaccines trials would nullify cover? That’s my response to offers to ‘book a jab’ anyway.
Ferguson: ‘We didn’t think we could get away with it here, but then we looked at. Israel and realised that we could.’
Just had a quick glance at the comments and thanks especially to OKUK for some consistent cautious positivity.
Yes. I second that. Clinging on to any positivity right now.
I am positive in a relative sense because it was clear Johnson’s statement was quite a distance from what Imperial-SAGE would have wanted and because he has, possibly deliberately, let the genie of public optimism out of the bottle.
It could have been otherwise, but yes, I am very cautious. Big Pharma, the CCP, Big Tech, egocentric multi billionaires, the Far Left, corrupt politicians and many others are trying to ensure we never regain our former freedoms.
I would like very much to share your positivity but frankly I don’t believe a word he says
And the Blair creature 🤮
If its for public consumption, its just political theatre.
My wife broke a tooth today. You’d think just phone up the Dentist and get it fixed. After all, ‘our NHS ‘ is there for us, right?
Not that straightforward because, of course, Covid. Firstly, she has to make an appointment to be traiged. Triage, I said? It’s a broken tooth FFS. Nope no more same day treatment oh, and said appointment can’t be arranged until next Tuesday.
Then after the Dentist has had a look and said, well bugger me yes, it’s a broken tooth, she’ll have to wait for a further appointment to actually get it fixed.
Shakes head and walks off sadly.
Same experience for me (except just chipped the enamel). Full triage waste of time, finally see dentist, literally less than one minute in the chair – ‘no treatment required’ – still charged me the full £twenty-odd check up fee on exit even though he didn’t actually give me a full check up. Oh and for that I got to wait outside in the rain ringing the bloody receptionist that I could see through the window and the ‘please can you wear a face mask’ BS…..wtf. Please wake me up when it’s over.
well, that’s better than my mum [80] who was offered a ‘do-it-yourself’ kit through the post to repair her own broken filling. I kid you not. ‘our’ NHS. yeh, right.
I walked to the park this morning. The only face nappy I saw was someone coming out of the local shop – which now sports a scruffy handmade sign saying “No mask, No entry”. It’s previously been very laidback, so I wonder what happened there.
The park was busy and extremely normal. Not a face nappy in sight – though one woman did step onto the mud when I passed. Her husband however, just carried on his normal trajectory, as did I. We passed about 18″ part and greeted each other with a cheery hello.
Realised how lucky we are that the council seem to be keeping a very low profile around here and the play area was open with no tape in sight. All benches were being used as normal. I can’t remember when I last saw a policeman – probably April.
Had a nice chat with the groundsman, who knows it’s all bollox but has to look as if he’s maintaining some semblance of distance in case he gets snitched on.
Finally, had lovely conversation with a man who was walking slowly backwards to accommodate his ancient jack russell, which was progressing at about an eighth… Read more »
I think some of these shops get visits from local authority public health officials who tell them they have to put up notices. An independent shop I frequent has a hand written notice saying you have to wear a mask but when I entered on the first occasion and subsequent occasions, I have never been challenged for having a natural uncovered face.
Where is this?! I can move in the summer and I need to move to somewhere I won’t see masks!
Encouraging.
https://www.derrynow.com/news/derry-news/611895/trust-reveals-30-of-care-home-staff-turned-down-covid-vaccine.html
Vaccine yet UK most stringent lockdown according to Oxford
Our death rate was still very high after lockdown. Remember, the average period from first symptoms to death is 7 days. So lockdown if truly effective should have been bringing the death rate down by maybe 4/5 Jan. It didn’t. Death rates remained stubbornly high till mid Jan. If the lockdown theory is correct you should see a more or less immediate effect.
This
This isn’t true at all. It’s far longer than 7 days
I looked up some research papers when someone claimed it was often 80 days.
If you are in your eighties or nineties and you get a viral infection it doesn’t take long for you to die if it’s a novel pathogen and your immune system is weak.
It’s too late for me to be looking up the research papers. Why don’t you? We are talking AVERAGE here, from symptoms presenting to death in fatal cases.
Remember that the death figures are lies. If the corpses didn’t really die of Covid, no Covvivax is going to reduce the corpse count.
Just watching the fat fuck doing the press shit-show tonight. Why do they have questions from these main stream media muppets Keunsburgh and Peston? Why?
What do these people know about anything to do with medicine?
So we have these line towing bullshitters and a couple of fuckwits from the provinces…
How illuminating.
NOT.
Still its good to hear something that sounds like an exit strategy. Also it sounds like they are paving the way for more deaths to “de-sensitise” the sheeple, some are going to be acceptable now. They aren’t planning on jabbing kids and it doesn’t sound like they are talking about health/vaccine passports but they will have these measures “under review” so a way of resisting the zealots?
It sounds a bit like they are finally releasing the spring of fear. However they still need to keep on with the psy-op to drive the jabbing. Hence the threats of vaccine certificates to go to the pub etc. It’s an empty threat right now.
It sounds like they are dropping everything by mid June.
I wish I could share your optimism.
Whitty really avoiding saying how many people are actually getting jabbed, just drawing airy fairy numbers out his butt. Telling, they don’t want to say that the uptake is not going so well, so they don’t deter the freshly terrified.
I know a few ‘believers’ in their 40s that aren’t planning on getting the jab since they don’t see why they need it (even though they’re fully signed up mask wearers etc). They know the 99.7% 82+ stuff.
That’s just weird. Why are they believers if they don’t think they are at risk?
Peston works closely with Edmunds who obviously feeds him all the confidential stuff from SAGE meetings.
Edmunds is the worst of the worst
Aside from his relationship with Ferguson, I think that he became really pro-lockdown after all the hate that he got from the interview with Thomas Pueyo.
‘They aren’t planning on jabbing kids and it doesn’t sound like they are talking about health/vaccine passports’
Thank you Two-Six for suffering the BS so we don’t have to and advising the above. Vaxing the children was my very worst fear and passports by default resulting in vaxing the children so that’s truly a relief.
Yes, thanks for taking one for the team Two-Six. I can’t bring myself to watch any of it.
I hope your interpretation is the right one.
They also wanted to compare flu and living with it as something we need to “work towards” with covids. Sounds like face naps in schools will be for a couple of weeks. Boris says he thinks city centres will spring back to life. He doesn’t want to see offices being turned into flats.
Reframing?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/phe-launches-new-psychological-first-aid-training
Not even going to look!! That sounds like “How to convince someone they are mentally ill if they refuse a vaccine!”
I didn’t read it all but it does appear that they are acknowledging the impact of lockdown measures on children’s mental health.
3 hours of online ‘at your own pace’ training to enable carers to identify and tackle 12 months of Covid fear porn and lockdown trauma in children.
I said recently this site is struggling to get over 1700 comments these days since it switched to an editorial policy of “vaccines will make you free”. Previously in late 2020 it would normally get well above 2000 per day.
Someone responded “just wait till Monday and Johnson’s announcement”. Well yes, indeed, it’s Monday and now struggling to get above 1800. Woowee!
The damage is probably permanent.
I say that more in sorrow than anger, as the saying goes.
Maybe some people have taken time out to recharge their batteries.
Yeah, sure….people passionately opposed to lockdownism do that all the time, don’t they? Why are you excusing Toby’s “vaccines make you free” policy all of a sudden?
What is your problem? Why do you have to make some sinister intention of every thing I say? I am not excusing anyone’s policy “all of a sudden”, or any time at all for that matter. People do drop in and out of here, to re-charge or for whatever reason that is their own business.
Yep but that doesn’t lead to a sudden 20% reduction in comments going from mid December to mid Jan and onwards.
No excuse for anyone to take the ‘vaccines make you free’ line whether they want the vaccine or not. Lockdowns are in and of themselves never justified and should not be dependent upon vaccines.
I don’t think that’s what Nymeria was defending. But it is true that a lot of commentators have dropped off (Rosie? Mablecow? NorthumbrianNomad? to name but three). Hopefully they’re ok and will be back soon.
That’s true, Andrea. I wasn’t defending anything to do with vaccines. There have been a few people mention that sometimes they need to take a break from here, and that’s all I suggested might be the reason why there weren’t as many comments as OKUK was expecting. However, as with anything I say, OKUK jumps on my words and twists them into something to suit himself. I don’t know why that should be, neither do I care.
Hi OKUK, It was me that said ‘wait until Monday’s announcement’ thinking everyone was keeping their powder dry. In my defence 1) I thought that was the case and 2) people pleaser.
Please don’t be downhearted. I think maybe we’ve exhausted every fact, every data, everything that proves lockdowns are wrong. As for the ‘vaccines’ (genetic treatments) they are and should always be a FULLY INFORMED personal choice. We need to bang that drum as much as we can. But atl I suppose have to tread careful on that one – not their fault, just the world that (we weren’t aware we allowed) we live in.
Hi Andrea,sorry I forgot who it was – we all have contact with so many people here! May I reiterate as I said in my original response to you, I wish this site well. I hate to think how lockdown would have been without it. Let’s hope the permitted surge in public optimism leads to more people finding their way here.
Yes 100%. Whatever the future holds we still have to embed that lockdowns don’t work, didn’t work (get us where we are), won’t work and are morally wrong.
Separately your measured and cautiously optimistic reporting on Boris’s roadmap tonight has been invaluable. I fear I’m far too mentally vulnerable to watch/listen/translate his bs at the moment so I really appreciate your review.
Also….Remember btl – it’s quality not quantity.
The vaccines are less dangerous than the virus as a matter of empirical fact, and those drumming up conspiracy stories about why they are not are tiresome fools – much like the mask fanatics on the other side.
The sites comment section is therefore no longer where you can find reasonable people who want to debate about a sensible return to freedom. It’s just another version of Reddit – full of people driven by their emotions not their reason.
The vaccination programme is a good thing, and the take up in the UK an even better thing. That’s what the evidence shows reasonable people. If it doesn’t show you that, then you are not reasonable – and are part of the problem, not the solution.
I don’t know where you get your empirical facts from.The government have been suppressing any news of deaths from the vaccines.
Several whistleblowers have stepped forward to tell how once they were introduced to previously safe care homes there was a sharp uptake of deaths.
You are making 2 major errors in your assumption.The first is to take the government figures on death from Covid as fact.No one knows the true figure.That is fact.
The second is that no one knows the medium to long term effects of the ‘vaccines’ ,that is fact
I’d also add that the majority of people haven’t had the second dose and in the limited testing they produced the most adverse reactions.
Well said.
That is a very sweeping statement, there are 4 very different types of substance currently being touted as Covid vaccines, if you accept the definition of vaccine as;
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
You could argue that the fist 2 types (Pfizer and Astro-Zeneca) do not meet this definition and are not true vaccines. They are gene therapy treatments and the jury is still well and truly out as to whether they are safe and effective in the long and short term.
I have a Yellow International travel card which shows I am inoculated against Yellow Fever, this is a specific disease where vaccination is now long standing and seems generally accepted.
SARS-C0V2 is a respiratory virus which initially infects the upper respiratory tract as do a similar and related range of coronaviruses and rhinoviruses giving rise to cold and flu diseases, SARS-Cov2 is an addition to this panoply of respiratory viruses which have been with mankind, probably since we first started our… Read more »
The vaccines are less dangerous than the virus as a matter of empirical fact
Eh? So the risk of vaccine side effects are certainly less for young healthy people than covid itself? Are you sure? I’m not. Or am I as bad as a mask fanatic?
The ‘vaccines’ have not been properly tested. No one knows what the medium- and long-term effects might be. The great majority of people do not need the ‘vaccine’ any more than they need the flu vaccine.
The covid ‘vaccine’ is not unadulterated good news – it may even turn out to be a tragedy. No one yet knows. At best, it’s a gamble.
‘So, there you go, come June we’ll be back to normal’
‘You for real? It’s effing February, four months since our last ‘normal’ if you can call it that with effing masks everywhere and officially can’t mix with all our family and friends’
‘Jeez, why’ve you got to be so effing negative, yeah it’s ridiculous but it’s just a couple of months’
‘How many times have we been here? I say ‘this is shit’, you say ‘I know but not long now’ yet…’
‘Ffs you’re always down the rabbit hole, have you ever thought out side your effing conspiracy great reset shit’
‘Here we go again, you bring up conspiracy theory and rabbit hole. Tbh I think I prefer it here, f-off outta my rabbit hole….oh and thanks for pretending you were actually listening to all the factual data evidence I shared’……
And on it goes. Anyone else or just me?
Not just you, Andrea.
It’s like he just has to ‘calm’ me down rather than actually listening to what’s actually being said. Why do we hear it? Are we different species?
I think many people are still in the bury head in the sand stage. Many just cannot believe that there government would take such drastic measures for nefarious purposes. I think it would crush their whole world view. It’s a tough pill to swallow that the UK is not the land of freedom and liberty far from it.
100% he’s bury head in sand. It’s in his genes (f-i-l).
I know what you mean.
I tend not to argue with committed zealots finding it more rewarding to coax the a response from the unconvinced majority.
It does not take long from expressing some doubt about the efficacy of masks to agreeing
‘yeah, I always thought it was a load of bollox’.
Agreed, albeit I don’t think I have changed anyones view in 9 months. I am clearly an entirely unconvincing person. Need to use more emotions and soap opera going forward.
I think we can only think of saving ourselves now.
He’s no zealot. He knows it’s ‘going too far now’ yet his upbringing, politeness, anything for an easy life ness means the minute I rant he has to defend the whole shit/calm me down. I want to rant and discuss and prepare the barricades…..he does have a day job. I don’t know , maybe I was meant for another time? 🤣🤣
I get told not to go on all ‘those websites’ and to ‘stop being so negative’. I’ve just given in they need to wake up on their own accord. Nothing I can do to help it.
This.
I don’t know how I would have coped without THIS website! Honestly, some days it calms me down to read comments from sane people. I’m so grateful!
Me too!
me too and lots of laughs the best part thank you all
I say let’s see. One advantage of Johnson is that he is indeed an egomaniacal politician so I don’t think he bothers too much about ideology (whether it’s globalism, populism, libertarianism or traditional conservatism). He just wants to be “World King”. I am sure if the globalists told him “you can be King of the World” he’d sign up with them 100%. But they’re not going to when they have people like Obama around.
This I’ve pointed out. Boris just wants to be popular/World King and he’s told ‘the peoples are loving it, pile it on’ by those with other various nefarious agendas….. the disgusting Blair creature and his ID dream loving the health passports, pharma and their paid acolytes of SAGE etc loving the vaccine, any number of big brother companies loving the IT /digi tech. By now he’s ‘outta the room’ looking at his phone.
Not just you, this is a total never ending shitshow
Face naps. I said they will be here for exactly a year. The policy wonks need a whole year of data for their evil experiment. They will be gone a year after they were made mandatory.
I do hope you are right.
I do hope the hell you’re right! Mandatory masking is the most disgusting part of the lockdown ideology imposed on us. It is a matter of intimate bodliy integrity.
Ain’t that the truth. I truly feel sick at the sight of them. My mum gets it but not another single soul I know shares my contempt, disgust, objection. Except thank the lord you guys. Without here I’d be locked up.
I think I’d be locked up too. Those masks and the fools wearing them do make me question whether I have serial killer tendencies. And the worrying thing is, I think I do 🙂
There you go again…
There I go again, what?
Like Leggy, you latch on to comments with implicit suggestions of violence and try to ratchet up the mood so others will come in with comments suggesting violence. Presumably it’s in the JD.I called you out both when you did it before.
Scepticism has nothing to do with violence.
You are neurotic. It was said tongue in cheek. Lots of people here say stuff like that, yet I don’t see you jumping on them.
Perhaps it’s best if you skip past my comments in future. And please stop making assumptions. You know nothing about me.
Noted and understood.
There are 6 flats in the building where I live, some have guests coming and going but I have never seen any of my neighbours wearing a mask in the common areas or going to and fro the building.
A great thing has happened for me: I have met some other people who loathe the masks as much as I do. When I go to visit, one of them comes to meet me at the station. It is almost unbearably nice to see another human being with a face, THERE FOR ME. For once I’m not alone. I have people. It’s how things should be.
You’ve got a good mum there! 🙂
Same — it makes me physically ill to see people in masks. Nobody but the people here understand; most think I’m being unduly difficult or just flat out crazy. My county has “opened up” again and yet I’m still a prisoner because of the mandatory masking. Until it’s at least voluntary, I will remain isolated and a virtual prisoner in my own home. On the plus side, I will be resuming yoga this week so that will give me an excuse to leave the house.
me too its what i hate more than anything else the masks.masks are for wimps
well also hate thevaccines which i will never be getting
Sadly I can’t agree.
They’re part of the totalitarian package that is being installed across the globe.
Please let that be true. I’d say it’s the worst evil, but it’s not in comparison to the damage of lockdown and the evil of coerced vaccine/passports.
But evil it is because every masked person I see reminds me of the intent behind the policy and the manipulation and complacency of the public.
Vile. War of Attrition. Psychological abuse. Divide and conquer. I will not give up my body. Please tell me you will stand strong. Not even about what you feel about these “vaccines” anymore. Literally about solidarity. Do not let them wear you down and hold your freedom at random until you submit to putting toxins in your body. What world is this? How did it get to this in less than a year? Who is going to save us? Or do we just need to stand up and save ourselves? Is that the test here?
It is definitely divide and conquer and while some days I feel defeated, the one issue that keeps me energized and fighting is health freedom. For those of us who will not be coerced into taking the experimental gene therapy, we must stand firm and set an example for others.
I get daily emails from Tom Woods and his words today resonated with me and I suspect will resonate with others on this forum:
Being on our side of things also has its psychological dimension: it’s very disturbing to live at a time when massive quantities of undeniable data amount to nothing, and no matter how powerful your case you are hated, ridiculed, misrepresented, and accused of wanting to kill people.
Good evening Lisa. Yes, it is indeed very disturbing to find oneself reviled for the twin crimes of one’s deeply considered ethics and one’s commitment to facts.
I hope you and your family are hanging in there. I always like to see your posts.
Thank you so much! My husband and I are very fortunate to be at a stage in our lives where we can weather this shit storm more easily than most. For once I am very grateful to be middle-aged and to live on a large property in the country. I do worry a lot about my kids though.
I hope you’re hanging in there as well!
Do you think the divide and rule will actually be a kind of survival of the fittest- psychologically? I see former friends who will not even discuss the facts … one former close one has cut me off entirely. But I used to be that person, too. Over Brexit and Trump – I would slam the door in anyone’s face if they disagreed with me. I haven’t changed my stance on either. Still think Trump was/is awful and still believe we should have had more open debates about Europe, but… I was so pig headed before. Wouldn’t even discuss alternatives to my views. I was stuck in groupthink. Now I see it from the other side. The only small hope I have is that many Brexiteers are behind the anti lockdown movement. And they are better at winning than me. I hope they keep fighting. And I hope loads of people are sitting at home waiting to “come out” as full-on anti lockdowners, as so many were over Brexit!
I am a committed Outer. I agree with you that there should have been more, or at least better, debate. The Remain side was badly let down by a campaign that focused on fear and dubious economic arguments. Actual positive reasons for membership were not discussed. That was a disaster for all of us.
It would have been so much better for us to have campaigned on the basis of rival positive visions and values.
I do think it’s going to be a type of psychological survival of the fittest and I have to believe that we will win in the end. Why? First, we do not live in constant fear and are, therefore, able to think rationally, be data-driven in our analyses, and be consistent in our thoughts and behaviours. Second, our psychological resilience can only be good for our physical health as we know that living in a “fight or flight” state suppresses the immune system. Third, we don’t bury our heads in the sand and we don’t live with constant cognitive dissonance. We are simply better able to keep our wits about us even though we all struggle and have our bad days. I believe we are psychologically more fit than the zombies and that this will stand us in good stead going forward.
Totally agree. This is about willpower. There are a lot of bad actors in the world – CCP, Big Pharma, Big Tech, egocentric multi-billionaires, Far Leftists, corrupt politicians and so on – who are trying to convince us vaccination = health, submission = freedom, fear = common sense, all conspiracy theories = fiction. We have to remain strong.
I will never comply or submit, of that you can be sure.
I was caving on the vaccine a few days ago, but I think I will lose my job over it, I think i’m prepared to go broke over it. I just cannot bring myself to be coerced into putting a substance into me that I do not willingly consent to. That is not a world I want to live in.
Please! No one can force this on you. You will NOT LOSE YOUR JOB! Seek legal advice. Lots of lawyers are helping people on this. There are contacts ATL. It’s against the law to force you!
You guys have bucked me up on this too. Refusing the vaccine is something I can do too, like refusing to wear a mask. I can’t make pubs, gyms, restaurants open up or get friends to meet up with me, but I can at least control what goes into and on my body.
That’s exactly the attitude we need to maintain — control what we can control. I have tried to eat better and exercise more as my health and my body have been one of the few things over which I have had any control over this last year. I don’t wear a mask and either ask for my exemption to be honoured (doesn’t happen often here) or find work-arounds. I get together with anyone who is able and willing to act normally around me, and thankfully my family fit into this category.
That’s how I feel, Dan. It might be that I’ll never be able to travel abroad again (which causes me great sadness) because of my refusal to have the vaccine, but by refusing to submit, I’ll be free in my mind, and the choice will have been mine, not the evil government’s.
“Should Britain fail, then the entire world would sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister … by the lights of perverted science. “
“The world, nature, human beings, do not move like machines. The edges are never clear-cut, but always frayed. Nature never draws a line without smudging it. “
“Science, which now offers us a golden age with one hand, offers at the same time with the other the doom of all that we have built up inch by inch since the Stone Age and the dawn of any human annals. My faith is in the high progressive destiny of man. I do not believe we are to be flung back into abysmal darkness by those fiercesome discoveries which human genius has made. Let us make sure that they are servants, but not our masters.”
Winston Churchill.
You’d think Bozo would know this by heart- oh yes…. he doesn’t care
Probably WSC’s greatest ever speech (the first quotation – the next two I am not sure if part of the same speech). Might have influenced Orwell in writing 1984 now I think about it.
He was discussing the atom bomb in the second two, 1946 I think. God only knows what he would make of Britain in 2021. WSC was the greatest of skeptics. He spent years in the political wilderness arguing against appeasement when that position was very unpopular. He bridged a time of cavalry charges through to the swinging sixties and was always centre stage. I hope our society can produce another.
I think it was Jung who said “Great men cast great shadows”…not everything about Churchill was brilliant…trying to keep 400 million Indians in Imperial servitude was obviously a doomed enterprise. Hanging around in the 1950s as a prime ministerial parody of his former self was a big mistake (and he did nothing to tackle the emerging social ills which would eventually do for this country). But at the height of powers – which he maintained into his 70s – he was untouchably great. Such mastery of words and ideas and how to marshal them. So courageous in thought and deed.
Yes on both points. Dresden and Galipolli too. He was involved in the momentous turning points of modern history and a man of his times. Even with those on the scales I think the net gain to global freedom was positive. At the apex of a long life he inspired the free world to fight tyranny. Failures yes. But boldness, conviction, courage, fortitude, prescience.
my idol
Russel Brand is not everyone’s cup of tea but 910,000 views in 3 days are not to be scoffed at.
Any more like this and I might need to subscribe.
Since he got sober, he often talks a lot of sense. He’s an intelligent guy.
Yes, as a comedian, entertainer, quote unquote, he’s not generally my brand of vodka. But he talks well about a range of topics. Also he has done a lot to help many who have struggled with addiction, there is a good heart in there.
He did a good vid that I linked in the last month or so pulling apart the infamous WEF video “You won’t own anything but you’ll be happy” which should of course have been titled “You won’t own anything but we will”.
IIRC he comes from Grays in Essex. I’ve heard him speak about his locality and upbringing. I think he genuinely cares about the people he was raised among. He could have just forgotten about them. He may approach things from a generally Left position but he has good BS detectors and obviously he can see WEF – attended by virtually all world leaders and supported by the Pope, no less – is a veritable Swiss mountain of BS.
Johnson wancock and sage have provided a massive opportunity to parents of secondary school children to end the fraud . All they have to do is say NO to testing and masks. That’s it. If they don’t resist , they deserve all that’s coming their way.
Might be interesting if the parents submit but their offspring don’t.
Sadly the children’s main motivation will be being able to see their friends again.
But their kids don’t!!
You are right, they don’t. But we all suffer the sins of our parents
Go Mavis!
Well I hope that makes the “And finally…” section on News at Ten tomorrow. 🙂
Might be useful if the return to school doesn’t happen as we expect.
https://mobile.twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1362446759545495554
And this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1363265980525391872
Thank you. There really is absolute crap being spouted by those who seem to want to keep schools closed forever.
Just watched a bit of the new video of the landing of the Mars rover. It really is an incredibly cool thing and amazing to see. What is less amazing is that seeing all the expert presenters are masked up and also inside perspex boxes. It infuriates me because it is such a charade clearly for political reasons. If they were really bothered about the virus could they not each be a different room then at least we could see their faces and hear them properly but I suppose there is a risk we might then think that not wearing a mask is a good idea and we can’t have that. I noticed a lot of double masking as well in mission control. Can rocket science be that difficult if idiots like this can do it?
Theatre. Nothing but theatre. Why they don’t share our disgust and integrity I’ve no idea. And wtf they think we give a darn about Mars at this point in time I’ve no idea. Bigger problems to solve on this planet first – like recycling ugly pointless stupid bloody face masks.
Any chance of recycling ugly stupid bloody politicians?
Recycle? No. Disposal!
Amazing what science can do when not corrupted.
Talking about the Mars landing not the fuckwit masks.
Indeed! There was no doubt in my mind what you meant when you said corrupted science. One sad thing I do feel this all kills a bit of the childlike wonder I get from good science.
Fuck Mars lets sort out home first!
Although it that might not be such a bad thing if we had more scientists studying Mars, and less doing epidemiology and developing vaccines,
Just fewer scientists would do me.
Did you see on UK Column where they had found the new mutant virus on Mars? It was great
No I didn’t see that one. Do you have the link? Sounds like fun.
https://youtu.be/mxrlqg41KnU?t=3916
Very good. That made me laugh thanks you both.
You can imagine the headline “Mars rocks test positive for COVID” after doing a PCR test only 45 cycles!
If they did go to Mars.
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_search.php?ref=192&part=1&search=mars%20rover
It’s not something I would normally go along with. But perhaps I could admit a bit of doubt when I see all the Nasa employees acting like such idiots.
The nasa shite is as big a scam as this con job.
NASA=Never A Straight Answer
I really wanted to watch the NASA press conference tonight but with all the masked “we hate trump” fuckwits I just couldn’t do it.
At least the videos + photos are available elsewhere without the stupidity.
Did they land a camera vehicle on Mars so they could film the actual landing?
Just asking.
Hmmm I’m not sure, is anything real, who knows… Seriously, as I said it was very cool. The landing system is slightly madcap. There’s a “skycrane” with thrusters to slow the descent and the rover is suspended below. The rover was filming the skycrane and the skycrane was filming the rover.
You may be confusing computer graphics with actual film. You can find genuine film on You Tube of how the Skycrane system works. It’s a typically NASA style solution – highly technical and highly expensive. Musk is the real deal.
I mentioned it the other night. They are not within 10 metres of anyone else. They’re probably just on a zoom call.
Covid vax line-jumpers are now a thing in the US:
Jumping The COVID Vaccination Line: The Next Casualty Of Common-Sense | ZeroHedge
Looks like the marketing campaign has worked brilliantly.
Anyone and everyone can have my 1, 2, booster, 3, 4, booster, 5, 6, etc etc etc shots. Fill your boots.
Snap
And mine
The greatest Nuremberg of all time is on its way (NB: translated from German)
17/02/2021
By Jean-Michel Grau
Right now, a second Nuremberg tribunal that is in preparation, with a class action lawsuit being set up under the aegis of thousands of lawyers worldwide behind the American-German lawyer Reiner Fuellmich, who is prosecuting those responsible for the Covid-19 scandal manipulated by the Davos Forum.
In this respect, it is worth recalling that Reiner Fuellmich is the lawyer who succeeded in condemning the automobile giant Volkswagen in the case of the tampered catalytic converters. And it is this same lawyer who succeeded in condemning Deutsche Bank as a criminal enterprise.
According to Reiner Fuellmich, all the frauds committed by German companies are derisory compared to the damage that the Covid-19 crisis has caused and continues to cause. This Covid-19 crisis should be renamed the “Covid-19 Scandal” and all those responsible should be prosecuted for civil damages due to manipulations and falsified test protocols. Therefore, an international network of business lawyers will plead the biggest tort case of all time, the Covid-19 fraud scandal, which has meanwhile turned into the biggest crime against humanity ever committed.
A Covid-19 commission of enquiry has… Read more »
In addition, an interview with a whistleblower at a Berlin nursing home shows that out of 31 people vaccinated there, some of them by force, in the presence of Bundeswehr soldiers, and who tested negative before the vaccination, 8 have now died and 11 are subject to serious side effects.” (2020news.de/whistleblower-aus-berliner-altenheim-das-schreckliche-sterben-nach-der-impfung/)
Extraordinary meeting of the Berlin Covid Committee Wednesday 17/02/2021
“In this context, an extraordinary meeting of the Berlin Covid Committee will take place on Wednesday 17.02.2021, live and with many guests participating via Zoom.
From 14:00 onwards, the state of play will be summarised. In addition, it will be discussed how the contributions from the Audiovisual Licence Fee Tax can be kept and used for the reconstruction of a new media landscape that truly serves freedom of expression, and how the contributions already paid for the senseless propaganda of the last 11 months can be recovered through a formal notice.
There will be contributions and discussions on how the food supply can be secured, in particular by strengthening regional agriculture; but also by creating regional currencies, if necessary with the return of the EU to the EEC, on how to ensure that the policy of the “Davos clique”, based… Read more »
Seen some good discussion on masks and how the nebulising effect makes things worse. This is a good study to that effect. Do not consent to this mass experiment
https://pdmj.org/papers/masks_false_safety_and_real_dangers_part4/
I don’t.
The health fascist spiders are spinning their web in US airports by awarding some made up health accreditation:
PORT AUTHORITY AIRPORTS EARN COVID-19 HEALTH ACCREDITATION FROM PRESTIGIOUS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS COALITION (panynj.gov)
Every year, the World Economic Forum analyzes the top risks in the world in its Global Risks Report. Risks were identified based on 800+ responses of surveyed leaders across various levels of expertise, organizations, and regional distribution.
It goes without saying that infectious diseases have now become one of the top societal risks on both metrics of likelihood and impact.
That said, environmental risks continue to dominate the leaderboard, accounting for five of the top 10 risks by impact, especially when it comes to climate action failure.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualized-a-global-risk-assessment-of-2021-and-beyond/
The thing that most struck me about the top 10 lists of risks based on “impact” and “likelihood” is the complete absence of consideration for the erosion of liberty and democracy or, put another way, the threat of totalitarianism.
Given what we’ve experienced over the last year, I find it breath-taking that this could not be a perceived a huge risk, given that this is what public health zealotry empirically leads to (as will climate change zealotry).
I think this highlights how little the elitists care about these concepts and how out of touch they are with our way of thinking.
It’s not that the elitists don’t care about these concepts – they are actively against these concepts.
The Greenie stuff is just a disguise for the implementation of global totalitarianism.
I’m a bit surprised, “white supremacy,” isn’t on their lists.
I think you’ll find Schwabism is a totalitarian doctrine – with a bit of nepotism thrown in (all his close family are on the lucrative WEF payroll).
I never really liked Luther (the theologian not the detective series, which was OK) but you could see how he got mad with the corrupt, elitist, cynical Catholic Church of his time. We need a modern day Luther to nail 19 theses to the internet, to call out our corrupt, elitist, and cynical globalist elite, beginning with “Lockdowns don’t work.” “Mass vaccination is not health” “Compulsory masking is inhuman and degrading” “A world where no one in the general public owns anything is a nightmare vision that will make us the playthings of trillionaires and welfare state governments.”
All in all I feel today was positive. No doubt for cynical political reasons, the PM made two important concessions: 1. Covid is going to be with us for the foreseeable future – a zero Covid Britain is not possible (undercutting the extreme wing of the Epidemologist Terror Group). 2. A rising level of deaths following Lockdown was acceptable because we had to return our former freedoms.
These are concessions to sceptical opinion and to an undercurrent of public opinion, plus of course economic, political and social realities.
Furthermore the PM did not commit to vaccine passporting so, although he cannot be trusted on that, there is still a hope he can be headed off at the pass.
I remain concerned that mandatory masking will remain as a sign of our servile status under the WEF’s new serfdom. Masking has to go as well.
Of course Johnson has left himself a lot of wriggle room. Time for the Covid Research Group to assert itself, although they seem to be led by mad vaxxers.
#1 could quite easily be a nudging towards annual or bi-annual vaccinations and continuing restrictions.
Yes, I’m not claiming the PM has converted to scepticism. It’s just he wasn’t following the Imperial-SAGE script I felt.
He was following the Chris Whitty script though, just excessive arse covering caution. I don’t believe Whitty believes in a summer resurgence no matter what the re-opening plan, he always said we would have seen the worst by March and other than hospitals and care homes there isn’t much virus about before March has even begun.
We are seeing the full coronavirus seasonal effect now. Coronaviruses tend to peak between late December and early March. Because this can still be described as a novel pathogen the peak was early. We are seeing seasonal decline aided by the vaccination programme but the vaccination programme also delayed the full onset of seasonal decline because it was killing a lot of very elderly and frail people. That’s why the seasonal decline effect didn’t really kick in till late Jan.
Will we need Covid vaccines FOREVER? No10 reveals revaccination may ‘become a regular part’ of fighting the disease sorry.
Well from a personal point of view I couldn’t give a flying eff in that I won’t be having the vaccination. The issue is will it be treated like the flu vaccine, with the NHS badgering you to have it, or will it be coupled with vaccine passporting. If the former I’m not concerned (although I do have concerns that respiratory virus vaccination creates the conditions for yet more novel pathogens to rise).
I hope you’re right but I can’t help feeling we’ve been here before. A slight relaxation in summer and then back into lockdown in autumn is a distinct probability and I think the government could actually get away with this for at least another year if not two, by which time whatever political/financial/social changes they are hoping to get out of this will have bedded in. Still, let’s try to stay positive, while remaining on our guard.
You are nuts!
You are positive because someone called a ‘Prime Minister’ is saying that maybe, with lpoads of caveats your normal freedoms just might be restored if completely dubious statistics say they should.
You are very very easily pleased. I don’t really blame you because of the continuous psyops you are enduring.
Its politics.
Its more about what isn’t said that is.
Having been and continue to live my life how I want regardless of the rules I am encouraged by what I didn’t hear today.
Fully aware however having dealt with politicians to a fuller or lesser degree ove the last 30 years that caution is the first port of call in these matters.
Exactly, we shouldn’t “believe him”. We should consider why he said what he did. And in that I find some positivity.
I never said his policy was my policy. I never said I thought we were out of the woods. I don’t trust him at all. I just said there were positive – very positive – aspects to what he said, definite distancing from the Imperial-SAGE group.
What he said was so full of subjunctives I’m sure it would be easy to dovetail it with the Sage take when it suits.
Dont wear a mask I dont . And no one can stop you
Thank you OKUK
‘All in all I feel today was positive’
I can’t face listening to the bloated blow fish myself, so just reading your first line (I trust your judgment) was sufficient for me to ditch the wagon and pour myself a glass of wine. Cheers. A
It doesn’t matter what he said today. Tomorrow he’ll be saying something completely different (cf vaccine passports).
And why are rising deaths acceptable now, but not last March, November or January? If we’re going to get the deaths anyway, what’s been the point of the last 12 months?
Something occurs to me. BJ is an obvious egomaniac and narcissist. If we were to start up a website ‘Boris Johnson – worst Prime Minister EVER – yes, even worse than May and Blair’ could we push him over the edge to obvious madness? He’s clearly very close.
I trust you bought your copy of the popular hit single ‘Boris Johnson is a Cucking Funt’ (or words to that effect?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKOo8rd6T7s
Interesting point. Watch his response today, and a few weeks ago to Theresa May questioning him.
Government documents from 2002 reveal 20 year plan to alter course of evolution with nano technology. https://www.bitchute.com/video/C4zMF5BmR6dk/
What a load of bollocks.
It’ll be obsolete by the weekend.
If we follow the road map, that will be progress. This is most definitely NOT what the Imperial College nutjobs wanted.
Have you been hypnotized, or just trying to stay positive for your own sanity?
This is just history repeating & you can’t trust a word Johnson or any Tory says, never could.
I never advised people to trust him! I am not saying he is to be believed. I am saying what he said was not what Imperial College – SAGE would have wanted him to say. There was a lot of permission-giving for people to rediscover their love of freedom. Johnson may be a shit but he knows a lot about politics. He’s positioned himself so he can move both ways, but I am saying in doing so he has given people permission to be optimistic and express their desire for freedom. That is a much better outcome than I expected.
Sounds like good cop bad cop to me. There was a lot of this between Rishi and Boris in 2020. Pure theatre.
The case criteria will force another lockdown and the compliance of the people will allow it to happen.