He Is Risen
When I first heard the news that Trump had caught Covid, I was worried. What if he died? Not only would we have to endure the triumphalist crowing of the lockdown zealots, but his death would become the central plank in the case for maintaining all the current restrictions or making them even more severe. Donald Trump didn’t take the virus seriously and look what happened to him! We’d all be wearing masks in public for the next 10 years.
As if to confirm these fears, the zealots already started making this argument in anticipation of Trump’s demise. Heather Mac Donald makes this point in City Journal.
The media and Democratic establishments are in a frenzy of Schadenfreude over President Trump’s Covid diagnosis. Trump’s contracting the disease, they argue, discredits any coronavirus policy short of lockdowns and mandatory mask-wearing, outdoors as well as in. Trump is now “exhibit No. 1 for the failure of his leadership on coronavirus,” Democratic pollster Geoff Garin told the New York Times. …
New York Times columnist Frank Bruni claims that Trump’s infection proves that the country has been lax in its coronavirus response. “It is time, at long last, to learn. To be smarter. To be safer. To be more responsible, to others as well as to ourselves,” he wrote on Saturday. “We cannot erase the mistakes made in America’s response to the coronavirus, but we can vow not to continue making them.”
But I didn’t think through the alternative scenario that actually helps the sceptics’ cause – he makes a complete recovery within a few days and comes out swinging. Well, that’s exactly what’s happened! Trump left Walter Reed Medical Centre yesterday evening and told his followers on Twitter: “Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!”
This tweet was immediately condemned by mainstream media commentators as “dangerous”, “gross”, and “almost impossible to believe”, fearing that if Trump brushes off the virus in such a cavalier fashion it will mean the American people won’t take it seriously. But that’s his intention, obviously. Trump is effectively telling the American people that catching COVID-19 is not a death sentence. We’ve learnt so much about how to treat it, that even an overweight, 74 year-old male can recover within a week. He has now become exhibit No. 1 in the case against needless restrictions on our liberty.
Trump’s reaction to his bout of coronavirus is in stark contrast to Boris Johnson’s, who went from being the biggest beast in the Westminster jungle to a kind of Mowgli figure, leaping in fright at the sight of his own shadow. This, too, has confounded the lockdown zealots, as Heather Mac Donald says in her article.
Lockdown proponents are hoping that Trump will follow the course of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who reversed his position on keeping the economy open after his own hospitalization for coronavirus. Trump should foreswear such a self-involved about-face.
Instead, Trump should tell the American public something that it has needed to hear from a political leader for months: we must go on with our lives. There will be more coronavirus cases; there will be, tragically, more deaths. But we cannot shut down our human interactions in order to prevent one kind of death. We have never done so before, and the consequences of having done so this year will cripple human life for generations to come if we do not overcome fear now.
I’ve had my reservations about Trump in the past, but he’s remained largely faithful to his sceptical instincts about Covid and his reaction to contracting the disease is exactly how Boris should have responded.
Chapeau, Mr President.
Tory MPs May be About to Call Time on the 10pm Curfew
According to the Telegraph, there’s a possibility that a sufficient number of Conservative MPs, as well as the Parliamentary Labour Party, will vote against the renewal of the 10pm curfew on Wednesday night when it’s expected to be put before Parliament.
Ministers have to ask MPs to approve coronavirus lockdown measures in simple unamendable “yes/no” votes in the Commons within weeks of them coming into force.
Two votes on lockdown restrictions in England are expected in the next 48 hours – one on Tuesday night on the “rule of six”, which limits gatherings to six people and came into force on September 14th, and a second on Wednesday on the 10pm curfew, which has applied nationally since September 24th.
While only a handful of Tory MPs are likely to rebel on the “rule of six”, dozens more are expected to try to vote down the curfew.
Rebel Conservatives – emboldened after last week forcing the Government to give MPs a veto on all future national lockdowns before they come into force – said on Monday that they could muster the necessary 43 Tory MPs to vote with Labour to overturn the Government’s 85 working majority.
One Tory MP said: “My sense is that a material number of MPs might vote against the 10pm.” Another said: “If it transpires that Labour is going to oppose it, then I would think there would be enough of us who would be inclined to vote against it.”
Steve Baker, the former Brexit minister who last week acted as an unofficial whip for Tory rebels, said: “Very few members of Parliament have constituencies which will bear voting against every infringement of liberty.
“However, there is a growing consensus that neither the 10pm curfew, nor including children in the ‘rule of six’, are well evidenced. I expect quite a few members of Parliament to take issue on those two points.”
Sir Desmond Swayne, a senior Tory MP, said: “The 10pm [curfew] is a huge mistake. The virus can’t tell the time. It is just absurd to impose this across the country.”
Sir Graham Brady, who is expected to rebel, told the BBC that patience with the Government’s local lockdown restrictions is starting to “wear thin”.
On Monday, Mr Sunak said of the 10pm curfew: “Everyone is very frustrated and exhausted and tired about all of this.”
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Harry Lambert has written a long read for the New Statesman speculating about Boris’s future. Entitled “The End of the Affair”, it’s based on searching conversations with 15 Conservative MPs, most of whom are pretty damning. “It is hard to find a Conservative MP who is impressed by the present government,“ he writes. The most telling quote comes from Steve Baker: “If a smash comes, it will come very hard and fast. And the more isolated he is, the more at risk he will be.”
Are the Rising Cases Just An Artefact of Increased Testing?
If like me you’ve argued that the recent increase in daily cases is because we’re testing more people each day, you’ll be used to the standard rejoinder: it isn’t just case numbers that are increasing, it’s the percentage of people testing positive. But is that percentage really going up? Dr Clare Craig, a Consultant Pathologist, has spotted an interesting anomaly in the Government’s treatment of people who’ve been tested repeatedly when it comes to recording their test results in the data and written about this for Lockdown Sceptics. Here’s an extract:
There are two ways to indicate the percentage of positive tests in a coherent and consistent manner. Either a figure could be published giving the number of positive tests and the total number of tests done – but these figures have not been published since August 20th. Alternatively, the percentage could be given by the number of newly diagnosed patients and the total number of patients tested. The difference between the two is that many people are repeatedly tested.
Instead, the Government press briefing on September 30th, published alongside the data, indicates that the official published figures need to be treated with some caution: “The number of people tested in a given week will exclude some people who have been tested in a previous week, so may not be an accurate denominator to use. For example, someone testing negative for the first time in week 1 will be counted in the ‘people tested’ figure for that week. If that same person tests negative again in week 4, they will not be counted in the ‘people tested’ figure for week 4.”
What this means is that for all the people tested more than once, a positive test result will count towards the numerator, but a negative test result will not count towards the denominator. Someone who tested negative in May could be contact traced again now and if they test negative their result would not be included in the official figures but if they test positive it would be. The relevant percentage of positive tests would therefore be falsely elevated.
Brilliant spot by Clare – Carl Heneghan-esque. Worth reading in full. Let’s hope some bigwig at PHE reads Clare’s article and fixes the problem.
Are the Student Drug Deaths Due to the Covid Restrictions?
A reader in Newcastle has made an insightful observation about the deaths of four young people in the North East, including a Newcastle University student.
It – the Corona response, not the disease – is getting rather close to home.
You’ll be aware of the 700 plus students tested positive by RT-PCR and now – tragically – there have been drugs deaths involving students.
The BBC quotes a criminology professor who observers a problem with nightclubs being closed is they offer a somewhat safer environment for partying. Formally organised freshers’ week events also offered a much safer environment for students away from home for the first time, as did the old halls of residence bars – if there are still any left.
Students do fall victim to drugs from time to time, unfortunately, but it’s hard not to see these ones as avoidable deaths of promising young people with their whole lifetimes in front of them, who might still be with us if it wasn’t for the scientifically misguided and futile efforts not to ‘kill granny’ and, in my opinion, the cynical way in which university Vice-Chancellors have behaved towards these young people.
I just checked the NHS dashboard and deaths from COVID yesterday in the entire North East of England were zero. I guess it may go up, but the daily rates are in single figures. COVID-19 – the disease – is not the problem.
The Great Barrington Declaration
Three sceptical public health experts – Professor Martin Kulldorff (Harvard), Professor Sunetra Gupta (Oxford) and Professor Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford) – have come together in Great Barrington, Massachusetts to launch the Great Barrington Declaration, a petition calling on governments around the world to adapt a more proportionate approach to managing the pandemic that they call “Focused Protection”. They are the three main signatories, but the co-signatories include Dr Michael Levitt, Dr Gabriela Gomes and Professor Karol Sikora among others, as well as several scientific contributors to Lockdown Sceptics.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.
As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection. …
Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.
This is welcome attempt by a group of sensible scientists to try and inject some common sense into the debate about how best to mitigate the impact of the virus. You don’t have to be a public health expert to sign it, either. Members of the public are welcome to do so and I’ve already signed. Over 14,000 so far and I’ve a feeling it’s going to climb very high, very quickly.
Bursting the Bubble
A reader has come up with an excellent argument against the separating of children in bubbles at school.
To make our schools so-called “Covid Safe” many or all of them have developed “bubbles”, where each classroom or year group is kept separate from the others. Separate play areas, separate canteen times and even separate arrival and collection times.
The theory seems sound, even logical – until you realise it isn’t!
I have two grandchildren in one school in Wales and three others in another school in England. The schools both operate on a broadly similar methodology to keep everyone “safe”.
The problem with this theory is that there are many, many siblings (and close out-of-school friends) in each bubble. Inevitably, a family with two kids, three or more will have a child in a different year or classroom bubble. One of my two grandkids caught the snivels and then a day after that his older brother had it. Probably caught in one bubble and then it gets passed to another bubble.
So I reckon this simple fact of life makes the whole “keep ’em separate” effort a waste of everybody’s time.
Poetry Corner
A reader called Veronica Richards has sent me rather a lovely poem about why friendships whither – poignant, given the pressure the lockdown has placed on friendship groups.
RIFTS
And when, my dear, on my death-bed I lie, reflecting back on the ploys of my mind,
the greatest mistake I will see I made
was to allow Opinion which appeared adamantly pressing
to tear our friendship apart,
‘apparently’.Yet as I lay prone with a cool to my breath,
there will return the Knowing:
that the you that you are, lies also in me,
in all aspects, and primarily Essence.
That what I perceived to be
your manipulation, ignorance, your cowardice,
and you perceived to be my stubbornness, scornfulness, anger
were mere postures we chose to adopt awhile,
occasionally inter-changebly.
Stances which could be,
can be,
dropped at any moment,
so that all that remains is this Innocence recognized by the heart, not the mind
…this Light …of our timeless Existence,
great Healer of rifts.
Prior to thought and to word but not excluding of them.And the good news, my sweet, is it is never too late for miracles to occur
so long as we are willing to stop
bestowing mind-made fake-power in crazy directions.At least: right now.
And now, and Now again.
Shall we do it?ALL of us TOGETHER!
Or at least you and me
for seventeen seconds at least?
Shall we? – while smiling and counting to test our resolve.I’ll start if you like. Or you can.
Round-Up
- “And a plague shall cover the land of Trump” – Excellent piece on the crowing among lockdown zealots about Trump catching the virus by Brendan O’Neill
- “Missing 16,000 coronavirus tests glitch ’caused by large Excel spreadsheet file’” – Turns out Serco, which is keeping a record of who’s infected for PHE, uses Microsoft Excel to store the data and the reason for the missing ~16,000 cases is because the spreadsheet reached full capacity, making it impossible to store any additional names. That’s not a glitch; that’s rank incompetence
- “Why won’t the UK vaccinate the whole population?” – Peston in the Spectator calls for the entire UK population to be given the Covid vaccine when it’s available. Yikes!
- “Despite trying to appear united, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak are increasingly at odds over Covid” – The rift is deepening, according to the Telegraph
- “All the clubs and pubs in Carmarthenshire that have been handed closure notices” – Local authority enforcement officers in Wales are serving 14-day closure notices on premises deemed not to be ‘covid secure’
- “Dalton Parents Revolt Over Prep School’s $54,180 Online Classes” – If you thought English private schools were expensive…
- “Paris put on ‘maximum alert’ as more COVID-19 restrictions are imposed” – Bedwetters triumph across the Channel
- “The NHS Continuing Healthcare (CHC) Scandal” – Retired Rear Admiral Philip Mathias, a former Director of Nuclear Policy at the Ministry of Defence, has Hancock in his sights and is seeking judicial review of the NHS’s Continuing Healthcare Scandal
- “Tories won’t forgive No 10’s incompetence” – Another damning piece about Boris and his top team, this time by Rachel Sylvester in the Times
- “This test and trace shambles is far more than a ‘technical glitch’” – Lea McKinstry in the Telegraph says Britain now has is the worst of all worlds: authoritarianism mixed with amateurism
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Update: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
Yesterday, I linked to the trailer for the South Park Pandemic Special – which is packed with anti-lockdown jokes. Today, I’m linking to the whole thing. Guaranteed to raise a laugh from even the most depressed sceptic. Enjoy.
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Good update! Always feel like the tide is turning when I see freshly pressed scepticism.
Doesn’t always last, but still… thank you those of you working on and contributing to the site, and thank you to the fellow commentators, you’re all first in my eyes!
Dissenting scientists issue Covid-19 herd immunity declaration
UnHerd
Freddie Sayers talks to eminent epidemiologists Dr Sunetra Gupta, Dr Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Kulldorff, who met in Massachusetts to sign a declaration calling for a different global response to the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/
youtube com watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
Read the full declaration here: https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-expe..
The more that sign this worldwide the better. It attempts to put forward a model that may be acceptable to Governments to stop all the lockdowns and measures. It does mention vaccines (which I am opposed to) but in a much more moderate way.
it may have borne fruit already with the Irish govt rejection of a full lockdown
Fingers crossed – or were they just sabre-rattling in the first place?
Signed it yesterday.
hopefully the two mooted parliamentary votes re rule of six and the 10PM curfew will be a measure of the tide finally turning.
I am hopeful about the 10pm curfew but I suspect it will be a trade off against keeping masks indoors and table service.
the curfew vote was pulled – so much for parliamentary scrutiny.
Yes, you’ve just voiced my feelings! Been feeling very up and down the last few days but today feels different. I really appreciate all the work that has gone into Lockdown Sceptics, from Toby Young, all the contributors, and the commentators. Reading this site every morning gives me hope and keeps me sane. Thanks to all.
This is the Country Boris Johnson has created. <
Comforting a grieving widow by her two sons is banned at a funeral.
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STOP!” National Disgrace – Unedited 🎤 📺 It’s Come To This…
If you see the tide going out, expect a mega-tsunami.
Forward this to you MP – it might seem pointless, I understand, but it’s better than doing nothing.
When killing people is Government policy
By
Peter Lloyd Conservative Woman
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October 6, 2020
NO Conservative Prime Minister can survive if he or she is taking decisions that are contrary to the interests of most people in the country. The Covid-19 measures which Boris Johnson is forcing on the public are clearly against those interests, and worse is being planned.
The health, education, employment, finances and social and mental wellbeing of the population is being destroyed for the illusory goal of stopping the spread of a coronavirus that is essentially harmless to 99 per cent of the population, and lethal almost exclusively to the elderly with serious underlying medical conditions, as are many strains of seasonal flu.
Much of the damage being wreaked is disguised by the Chancellor’s furlough scheme and other taxpayer-funded handouts, but revealed through an explosion of government debt which will have severe negative consequences for all of us, particularly future generations.
The ramping-up of virus tests with the dubious PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methodology is inevitably showing more ‘cases’ which in reality may be just harmless fragments of the Covid-19 (or other) coronavirus RNA that can’t be transmitted to others. These are not infections and certainly not illnesses. The bar on proof of infection is too low.
The government refuses to acknowledge that this increase in cases is largely due to the increased testing, and allows the message to embed in the surrounding narrative that a positive test – which may also be a false positive – is equivalent to being ill when the overwhelming majority of those who are Covid-19 positive don’t become ill, let alone die. It is in the business of exaggeration and fearmongering along with most of the mainstream media.
The most important measure of what is happening medically is surely the number of deaths that can be attributed, to a greater or lesser extent, to Covid-19. The graph below from the Office for National Statistics (taken from the ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ latest newsletter) gives the up-to-date figures, showing that Covid-19 attributed deaths since June are running well below those of flu/pneumonia, and that the total weekly UK death numbers from these lung-related infections are running in line with the five-year average.
As fast as the numbers of those seriously ill, and the daily death toll from the virus, are declining, the risk of other undiagnosed and untreated serious illnesses and deaths is rising because of the lockdown mentality still affecting the NHS and other public services, encouraged by government.
On Saturday 66 GPs wrote to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, urging him to treat non-Covid deaths as equal to those from Covid. The doctors know that this is not happening at present. For reasons of projecting an image of action and having illusory control over the path of the virus, only Covid deaths matter to the government.
The doctors’ letter reports that there have been more than 30,000 excess deaths in private homes since March, but fewer than one in ten are caused by Covid-19. They are also concerned that ‘the pandemic has resulted in an inflation of acute cardiovascular deaths, most of which did not relate to Covid-19’. They also point to a report suggesting that child suicide rates increased during lockdown and, for these doctors, harm should be measured as more than Covid deaths.
There is so little pressure from the Conservative Party, MPs and the media for the government to act rationally and in the interest of the country as a whole that the government doesn’t feel it has to explain why non-Covid-19 deaths and serious untreated illnesses don’t matter. It has a monomaniacal obsession with Covid-19 which demonstrates how unaccountable the government is to the overall public interest. There is no rigour left in our system of parliamentary and public accountability, which needs a major overhaul.
Far more people are dying because of the government’s measures than are being saved by them. The wholesale destruction of society is taking place for no significant gain in health or mortality and it is government policy.
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A little factoid from the US as of Sept 6th:
In 2020 the total death number in the US versus 2017’s total death number was 952,398 shy of hitting 2017 death toll. That amounts to 33.9% left of the total to equal the 2017 numbers. With 118 days left in the year which is 32.3% of the year left it looks like a similar outcome to 2017.
At that point the US would’ve needed 18 weeks at current death rates to equal the overall death toll from 2017 whilst there were only 16 weeks remaining.
However, the stat is even more interesting in that here in 2020 the overall population is higher than it was in 2017 so as an overall percentage of population this year’s death total is even lower than stated above.
Another untidy factoid the disproves the sacred screed of the Covid True Believers is that in the US this year’s increase in mortality is 1.12%, similar to last years. However that rate is lower than the previous 5 years before last year.
Let’s also keep in mind the US had 20 straight year’s of mortality rate decreases until 2008- economic recession. Since then we have had 12 straight years of increases with, again, this year’s decidedly not any different than the previous 11 years.
No pandemic.
The majority of the elderly people who died didn’t even die of the virus but it’s being chalked off as a “Covid” death to keep the Covid death count high, the fearmongering going and the $$$ coming in. These are old people with a wide variety of multiple serious medical conditions. They’re are on multiple toxic medical drugs that cause serious adverse reactions. Many were in and out of the ER & urgent care departments well before the arrival of this new virus. They’re dying from pneumonia, COPD, cancers, cardiovascular diseases, adverse reactions to toxic medical drugs, etc. Some of them died from complications of being put on a ventilator when they didn’t need to.
There’s BIG money at stake here. More dough on sliding scale is given to the hospitals for a Covid admission, a Covid ICU hospitalization and a Covid death. That’s why everything these days is chalked off to Covid. And hospitals are starving for $$$ – this a great scheme to improve your revenue and not be in the red all the time.
Have you got a source for that mortality data? I would like to share it.
Which part- here’s macrotrends:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
I have no idea where your data has come from, but it bares little resemblance to the official mortality data. You are welcome to explore it here – a viewer from mortality.org short-term fluctuations data.
https://mpidr.shinyapps.io/stmortality/
One of the most ridiculous charts I’ve seen on all of this and that’s saying something.
You need to look at context and trends. That idiotic site does neither.
Go here and look at overall growth rates:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
You do know that the source of that data is the US govt? Its just a simple way of viewing the data from the https://www.mortality.org/ database. Along with 40 other countries. Broken down by age with historic reference data. Which does not look like the above plot. As for a historic view, by all means look back. But for modern perspective 10 years is reasonable. The database is the official data from each government provided by their respective agency. The ONS are collaborators.
How are things at 77th Brigade?
Let’s hope the tide is turning – ffs – what other hope is there ?
A small step featured in todays Local Live, a full article about an independent food retailer announcing that they ‘would allow’ customers to remove masks and that the staff were not wearing them either.
There followed a succinct summary of why wearing masks is useless. The proprietor reported that 95% of customers gratefully removed their masks.
The only kickback being a standard rehash of the law at the end of the piece.
This eoushing for masks are in the very small minority. As soon as mandates or perceived laws around them are clearly removed and people can decide for themselves what to wear on their face, off they come. And it’s the key reason why they will never work, you need 100% compliance and harsh enforcement to even stand a chance.
Even with 100% compliance, masks have no proven effectiveness in preventing the spread of airborne respiratory diseases. Then of course, there is the downside of mask wearing and more bad news is building up here. Masks are being worn either by fools and collaborators.
Rowan, Saying only fools or collaborators wear masks is a false dichotomy.
I think gaslighted/brainwashed is one reason, if their only news source is The Guardian or the BBC their probably still hiding under the bed. There are the virtue signallers (closer to collaborators) and then their are the folk who just follow rules, even if they disagree with them.
Most of us on this site would probably be diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder (one of the many fabricated mental illness’s) or something similar, if the pseduo psychologists and big pharma had their way, and be put on some kind of medication. We are the ones that are different (scepticism is quite rare) and it is down to us to try and educate the poor deluded souls.
Those that rely on the BBC and/or Guardian as their main news sources are patently fools. Nothing too controversial about that.
I am afraid I have to disagree with you. For the first time this week in The Netherlands I saw more muzzled people than muzzle-free in the shops. Wearing of masks in shops is “strongly recommended” by the government but they stopped short of making it mandatory (for now). I thought that Holland (btw I’m not Dutch) was an oasis of sanity in this global BS but boy was I proven wrong. The once rebellious, rule-breaking Dutch have turned into sheeple like the rest of Europe. All it took was a misleading “cases” graph from Rutte on prime time TV. It pains me to see young people, men and women in their prime looking pathetic with the diapers on their faces and the irrational fear in their eyes. I have never worn a mask and I am beyond furious at what awaits us in one of the cradles of democracy slowly turning into a communist dystopia. How long are these villains disguised as governments going to destroy everything we hold dear, anything that makes life worth living before we all fight back and hang them from lampposts?? Is it true that that the darkest hour is just before dawn?
Interesting. So it’s fear and social stigma. So maybe I have over estimated the thinking capabilities of the general population.
In that case I would say that as soon as people are told the truth, off they come. Scary graphs and casedemic fear mongering is criminal behaviour
It’s terrorism.
I think many people won’t believe the truth even when it’s clear as daylight. Having been mongered with fear it will take a long time for them to realize the truth.
Lord Haw Haw was hanged in 1946 for “broadcasting propaganda”, and he wasn’t even a full British citizen.
The law only says that face nappies must be worn by shop staff if they can’t maintain “a reasonable distance” from the customers.
Direct quotes from fourth graders today:
“They ruined recess, there’s nothing to do. They took away our basketball, wall ball and our soccer ball. We’re just suppose to sit around.”
“I would rather do anything but go to recess.”
“They’re trying to ruin our self-esteem.”
We are bearing witness to massive institutionalized child abuse.
I approached a grade school as masked up kids were letting out and stopped my car the middle of a crosswalk, rolled down my window and yelled at the masked up crossing guard, “Putting a mask on these young children is a form of child abuse, it’s disgusting.” He did not agree- shook his head.
Turned the corner and there was a young couple walking their young child of no more than 6 or 7 and all of them wearing masks. I yelled at them also telling them they were “abusing their child, what is wrong with them.” The father said, “Calm down” and I replied, “No one should be calm when they see kids being abused.”
Some days you can really see how f**ing hideous all of this is.
What part of Lalalooneyland are you in, Alien?
It’s probably a place near you. I see this sort of stupidity nearly everyday and like Allen I sometimes vent my wrath on those brain dead people who are imposing this nonsense on young children. Proper blame though, should be directed at the treasonous Johnson and Hancock, who have already murdered tens of thousands of our fellow citizens, in their morbid desire to comply with Bill Gates’s genocidal vaccine agenda. Of course, there are many others who share the guilt, but we need to start at the top, as Johnson and Hancock are looking to repeat their crimes this winter. This pair of serial killers have massively outdone, even the evil Dr Shipman and they both should be clapped in irons forthwith.
As a counterbalance, I was on a double-decker bus yesterday and could see, over a high wall, primary school kids playing outside. Maybe 50 of them in groups in organised team games. They were obviously mixing and the groups were close together. Looked completely normal and the kids were shouting and screaming and having a great time. Nice to see somebody has a sense of proportion. Of course, it wasn’t a state school and you’d have to torture me to find out where it was.
What’s ‘recess’? Is this in America?
Playtime
“Crosswalk”=Zebra crossing
A free translation, “Fanny”=Bum
Not your
*******zzzzziiiiiippppppp********
I’ll add naughty step=time out chair
Cue large bite of Scotch Egg.
Silver lining perhaps…
Maybe it’ll save this cohort from becoming weapons-grade snowflakes and bestow them with independent thought and scepticism of authority and consensus.
God knows, we need more of that.
Oliver Cromwell cancelled Christmas
When the monarchy was restored they dug his body up
The Lord Protector was dragged through the streets of London to his place of ‘execution’ at Tyburn
At Tyburn he was subjected to the traitors execution of being hung drawn and quartered. How they did that with a corpse is not entirely clear but I’m sure they did their best in the circumstances
He was then beheaded
His head was then displayed on a pike in Whitehall as a warning to others
And his remaining regicide henchmen were hunted down and similarly dealt with, but while still alive. See Charles Spencer’s excellent book Killers of the King. There was no place they could hide.
And yet most of them were men of conscience, unlike our own snivelling tyrants. The latter will find nowhere to hide, either, when Nemesis comes after them.
The Christmas thing is always trundled out to blacken Cromwell, but it’s a misconception because Christmas was not the same as it is now. It was primarily a Catholic religious festival, and since the Civil Wars and the Protectorate came at the end of a century of religious division, and Catholic dissent was still at serious risk of flaring up Cromwell acted not to oppress joy, but to attempt to preserve order. Think of it less as if he’d cancelled a party and more as if he’d banned the marching season in Northern Ireland.
I often compare Cromwell to Margaret Thatcher in that, whilst I’m not sure I’d have got on with either of them personally and I don’t think either of them were perfect, I think they were necessary for the moment in history when they arose, genuinely tried to deal with a perceived problem and have been subjected to propaganda both during and after their tenure. In Cromwell’s case, a key part of the myth that has risen around him is the idea that he was in charge before Charles I’s execution. In actual fact he was a mere backbencher and, despite his military genius, wasn’t even head of the Parliamentary army during the wars (that was Thomas Fairfax who quit when the King’s death sentence was sealed). He only rose to power when, after Parliament had the King executed, it turned out to be just as corrupt and self-serving as Charles himself had been. Cromwell brought in the army to purge the House of Commons and attempted more than once to create a Parliament which actually worked before he reluctantly accepted the mantle of Lord Protector (he was offered the role of king, but refused it).
I’d recommend Antonia May Fraser’s Cromwell, Our Chief of Men.
I was making a point above, maybe not well. Actually I greatly admire Cromwell, and despise Charles I as a self-righteous tyrant – although the legality of his trial and executuion are, to put it mildly, contentious.
But Cromwell and Ireland isn’t good??
Hear hear. In Drogheda, a town about 30 miles north of Dublin, they still talk about like he was on remand awaiting trial!
“He blows up policemen, or so I have heard,
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third.”
Michael Flanders on the Irishman.
Too late for Cromwell, but not for Johnson and Hancock who should be on remand, but no trial seems necessary. These two serial mass murderers make Harold Shipman seem like St Francis of Assisi.
Blair and Iraq isn’t good. Cameron and Libya also not good.
Difficult to find a legal footing to kill the head of state, but in fairness it was the first time that was tried – previous monarchs had just been quietly murdered, deposed or beaten in the field and replaced by another branch of the family.
True. But constituting the Commons as a court was dodgy.
It’s not the head of state this time around. It is the Prime Minister and the Health Secretary who should have their heads lopped off.
I’ve read it and, dare I say it, Cromwell is one of the historical figures whom I most admire.
Iron determination and incorruptible; a man for his time.
I think the Lord Protector role was an uncomfortable compromise but all that was realistically on offer in the 17th century.
Shall we gloss over the genocide in Ireland
By no means. The good and the evil should be weighed in the balance.
The best interpretation I can put on it is this.
Cromwell calculated that by undertaking the massacre at Drogheda he was preventing further insurrection in Ireland, and thus saving net life. If by killing one ‘rebel’ in cold blood he prevented tens of deaths inherent in further insurrection then the killing was justified.
Not a calculation I would wish to make, but was he really so terribly wrong??
That’s a justification for genocide. Using that logic it would have been justified to nuke Afghanistan, Iraq or even Argentina – ‘after all if it saves one life…’
I’m not saying I agree, I’m just trying to guess the thought process he was going through. Probably the religious certainties of those days made it easier.
Not at all; my forebears joined the expedition, as bridle makers, so the story goes, but, for his attempts to bring another course to 17th century England, I think he deserves some credit.
Cromwell was flawed, as are we all, but the unfortunate Charles 1st was his own worst enemy.
What happened in Ireland was within the rules of war at the time (you didn’t give quarter to besieged cities if they forced you to breach them) and we tend to gloss over the fact that Wellington did much the same in the Peninsular War. There was also a lot of bitterness amongst the Protestant troops due to (somewhat exaggerated) stories of what had happened during the Irish uprising a few years earlier. We might not like what he did – and it’s certainly been used politically since – but that’s rather like the whole statue-toppling thing at the moment, judging history by our own standards.
The idea that Cromwell needed to wage war on Ireland is a nonsense in itself. It was an act of pure bigotry, the man and his demented puritanism are a stain on our history.
I would have been a Royalist through and through.
It wasn’t Cromwell’s decision to invade. The rump parliament instructed him to do so, although I agree not for good reason (they basically thought that a standing army was a threat to order if they didn’t give them something to do).
So he was only following orders? To be honest I think he had too much fun killing people to use that defence.
And I a Cromwellian. Muskets at dawn?
Gets a bit complicated in that the Old English (descendants of the Anglo Norman aristocracy) were still Catholic and generally sided with the locals.
One of my ancestors, Sir Hugh Cartwright of Ossington, was walled up for a month in someone else’s house because Cromwell’s men were after him and considered him a ‘dangerous malignant’ – something to do with a siege at Pontefract I think. He then fled to Belgium. I thought of him at the beginning of the lockdown!
The Cartwrights were descended from the Norman aristocracy and the Cranmers; my many times great grandmother was the Archbishop’s sister. Much of their land came from the dissolution of the monasteries but Cromwell confiscated it, which was why my grandfather ended up taking milk round on a horse and cart!
Great story!
When you think what people in those days went through in adherence to their beliefs in puts what we’e going through into persepective.
Cromwell didn’t abolish Christmas, it was Parliament.
Cromwell famously danced at his daughter’s wedding.
Even John Calvin allowed dancing at weddings. I think it was the only occasion. I always thought it must have led to serial monogamy in Geneva.
‘Cromwell acted not to oppress joy, but to attempt to preserve order’
Bit like the dictator and handy cock then
I have an ambivalent attitude towards Cromwell. As you say, he was necessary to the time. We have much to be grateful to him for, and yet there was much that was repellent about him. I thought Cromwell had more influence during 1648 than your post implies?
I often wonder which side I which side I would have supported in the Civil Wars. In my view, they both were in part right and in part wrong. The one individual who was truly wrong was Charles I, with his unbending out-of-date attitude; his best months were his last months, and do him some credit, but it was too late.
I have had a copy of Ms Fraser’s book for ages, but haven’t read it yet.
Cromwell was popular with the army – the New Model was based on the cavalry regiment he raised in Huntingdonshire and his strategic nous had delivered the greatest victories of the wars – and he was vocal amonst the regicides, but he was by no means in charge.
Very hard to say where I’d have stood at the time too. I have a strong sense of justice and morality, but obviously that has been shaped by my own background so it may well have been different based on when, and in what position in society, I had been born.
By 1648 if I’d been an MP I’m pretty sure I would have been one of the ‘Presbyterians’, as they were termed.
I love the fact lockdown sceptics are fighting the English Civil War . Here’s my take . I would of supported Cromwell and the forces of republicanism and we should be justly proud of being the first modern nation to kill a king .But the truth is in the end Cromwell betrayed the cause ,you only have to look what happened to Winstanley and the diggers .The reason today a tiny minority own all the land in Britain and the majority hardly have a blade of grass is because we never fulfilled our dreams of making the land a common treasury for all .
As I remember, Cromwell was very sensitive to the continuation of property rights, being from landed stock himself.
He was and as i said betrayed the cause.
Fascinating. I’m starting to like history.
Can I propose that we follow a modified Icelandic model. That being burying the corpse in a bog, pickled in urine, then perhaps introduce a little British flavour by a hanging, and a quartering if you must, before finally separating body from head until dead, dead, dead.
I thought a lot of the regicides did hide though? Escaped the country. Although there were executions, I thought Charles II tried to be as lenient as he could, and in doing so set the tone for his reign.
I think there’s a lesson here. Terrible as we all feel about the current circumstances, and bitter as we might feel towards the perpetrators, when this is all done as a society we have to move on. And limited revenge is a part of that.
Don’t get me wrong, I wish to see guilty people punished for this; but in the long run I think we have to sort out our society and institutions so as to put in safeguards to ensure that something like this can never happen again. And achieving that will be much more difficult than pursuing the simple gratification of revenge.
The important thing to do when this is over is to learn the lessons from this and put up safeguards in order to ensure that something like this should never be allowed to happen again.
The people guilty should be punished and serve as a warning to those who seek to destroy the country and its people.
The rallying cry should be Never Again
I agree with all that.
It’s not just about lifting the restrictions: it’s about ensuring that it can never happen again.
Punishment and ridicule of the guilty individuals is a part of this, but a small part (and the easy part).
Exactly. It’s appalling how people quickly forget the lessons of the past.
Part of thr never happening again needs to involve unpicking the education system.
Germany leading as a population standing up to the fraud may in time come to be seen as a success of their educated recovery from WW2. The generations of education to never let such a thing happen again appear in some ways to have worked.
There is standing against this the European project of course, which itself uses the threat of an ununified Europe as reason to unify.
Education must be central to never letting this happen again.
The thing is we did have the checks and balances to supposedly prevent such authoritarian rule, but they all failed. Swathes of human rights legislation, lawyers, parliament, journalism (corner stone of democracy), our bill of rights, hypocratic oath, policing by consent … it goes on. Every single one ignored or failed to do their duty.
I know, and that’s why it is going to be difficult to sort out.
It requires a societal revolution.
Which won’t happen.
When the government finally takes their boot off our throats, the general public will utter a collective sigh of relief and forget the entire thing.
Those who still have jobs will go back to the daily grind and distract themselves with whatever mind-numbing fare Pravda trots out on a Saturday evening. Those who don’t have jobs will put their hand out and be grateful for whatever crumbs the Bank of England’s printed money will buy them.
If I had anywhere to go, I’d be gone.
Maybe, as a nation we will drown in complacency.
But maybe there’s another side to this coin: the pain will be so bad it will force a rearrangement and reset. Bit like 1979.
Maybe. It feels a bit too much like 1933 right now.
Yes. People will struggle to feed themselves. That will be the new normal, and the bastards that are responsible will walk away unpunished.
And Dido Harding will get another cushy non- job.
Instead of being crushed under the wheels of incompetence it seems that she is one who is propelled yet higher by her mistakes.
Well said. It makes you wonder why they failed and why those in authority failed in their duty.
The one scant consolation here is hopefully many of these people will be living with a guilty conscience for the rest of their lives.
Psychopaths don’t have a conscience.
Or found the felicitous attention of billionaires too much to resist. They did not just fail to do their duty, thy joined the ranks of the enemy.
Great sentiments, but for all the “never agains” history has a strange way of repeating. En masse people do exhibit the most extraordinary lack of basic recall.
Lesson #1 no more Enabling Acts, I thought we had learned that from Hitler.
Totally agree – I don’t think we should be telling Boris to buy an extra shirt and setting up the scaffold in Whitehall, but we should have a (proper) inquiry and, depending on the findings, leave those who acted from improper motives to the criminal justice system whilst we do what we need to do to prevent it happening again.
As part of the settlement Charles ll declined to emancipate the thousands of Royalists condemned to indentured servitude in the West Indies.
The property rights of their new masters trumped the reduction of Englishmen to slavery.
Notably, the property rights of of the disposed Royalists in Britain were not reinstated after the Restoration. I didn’t know about the West Indies business and will have to look into it.
some of them sought to avoid retribution by fleeing abroad but the forces of law and order tracked them down (Eichmann/Mossad).
We should do our best in our circumstances. Thanks for the history lesson. Sometimes history is a beautiful thing full of justice.
There are two prime candidates for similar treatment and not just for cancelling Christmas, but for murder on the grand scale. Of course, it’s Johnson and Hancock, who killed tens of thousands of old people in the Spring. These two serial killers are now looking to repeat their evil crimes this winter, under the guise of the totally flawed PCR tests. Like the rest of us, they know the test is worse than useless, but it serves the Bill Gates’s genocidal vaccine agenda and that is all that will matter for them.
Dissenting scientists issue Covid-19 herd immunity declaration
UnHerd
Freddie Sayers talks to eminent epidemiologists Dr Sunetra Gupta, Dr Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Kulldorff, who met in Massachusetts to sign a declaration calling for a different global response to the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/
youtube com watch?v=rz_Z7Gf1aRE
Read the full declaration here: https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-expe..
Like all here I was fascinated by the Crimes against Humanity video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ
I was also fascinated by reading Corona, False Alarm?: Facts and Figures book by Karina Reiss Ph.D. and Sucharit Bhakdi MD: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corona-False-Alarm-Facts-Figures/dp/1645020576
Chapters 3 and 4 are quite astonishing; not only because of the reported actions of the ‘scientists’ named in the video above, but also because by replacing the names of the main German protaginists, e.g. Chancellor, CMO, Health Minister, etc., for our equivalents, i.e. Johnson, Whitty, Handjob, etc., you would think you were reading about what the UK done. The timings, actions, etc. have a remarkable similarity.
I was gobsmacked!
Almost as if it were all planned.
Safety in numbers. They’ll be covering each other when the time comes.
Try ’em in batches then,
But…surely it’s all just global bumbling incompetence…? You’re not one of those pesky conspiracy theorists, are you?
We know the eu pressurised this country and we caved…….
‘“We had prepared the closure of our border and told Prime Minister Johnson we would implement it that day if there was no evolution [of British measures],” a senior French official…’
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/france-border-coronavirus-uk-141402
+1 for Corona, False Alarm. It’s a great book.
It’s this what swings it for me.Looking at our useless government I can believe in the incompetence theory,but the similarities between our response and governments is too alike
.All these governments cannot be this incompetent in exactly the same way.
They don’t call it a plandemic for nothing!
Forum users seem a degree reticent to use that term.
I don’t know why….
Robert Koch in Germany, Inserm in France, SAGE and Imperial College in the UK; all infiltrated years ago.
As you say, lockstep uniformity everywhere.
We have one or two outliers of course; Sweden the obvious one, plus Belarus, where we know that Lukashenko was offered a huge bribe to shut down his country, and Serbia where the citizens simply said NO!
And the figures from those three countries serve to expose how none of the lockdowns and other attacks on civil liberty were justified in the slightest.
Great post..exactly
From the top of my head, I think Brazil, Mexico, Tanzania and Pakistan also had somewhat limited lockdowns?
THANK GOD Trump isn’t in the ICU right now. That would be a nightmare for the ages. I’m hoping he continues on an upwards trajectory, and I’m very pleased with the way he’s handled this. “Don’t let it control your life” is exactly what the world needs to hear right now. I’m hoping this will begin to change people’s perspectives and make them less tolerant to excessive measures.
Fully agreed. So far, the way Trump has used his illness to encourage people and alleviate fears has been a much-needed counter to the fear-mongering from the likes of Neil Ferguson, Anthony Fauci, and the mainstream media. I’m not the political type, but I have to say I’m proud of Trump. Hopefully this causes more people to come to their senses and put an end to these ridiculous, dangerous lockdowns in what has become the craziest year of the 21st century.
I’ve said before that I’m no Trump supporter. I voted against him in the last election. I disagree vehemently with a lot of what he’s done. But even a broken clock is right twice a day – and he is right about covid. In fact, I remember hearing one of his early statements about it and thinking at the time that he might very well be right. But I held my judgement until I got a lot more evidence and did a lot more reading from sites like this one. And here I am.
I am eligible to vote in the upcoming US election but will be sitting it out. There’s is nothing that could get me to vote for him, but I will not vote against him. The Dems keep sending me emails, asking for campaign contributions. I keep replying with sceptic arguments against the hysteria, but I doubt anyone reads them.
“Don’t let it control your life” should be spread far and wide here in the UK. Although it might be better as “Don’t let the government control your life”.
Same. I would have wanted him to win the election anyway as the Democrats are sickeningly captured. However he’s won my respect in a couple of ways :
1. No more wars
2. Kicking back in China
3. His Corona approach has been excellent given the pressure he is under. He was on tbe money with HCQ, masks (though he caved for votes), the lack of evidence that this is anymore than the flu, getting Richard Atlas in
Anyone who loudly defunds the WHO gets a vote from me.
I’m also eligible to vote in the US election and I’m absolutely voting Trump for this reason alone.
Three epidemiologists from Stanford, Harvard, and Oxford recently wrote a declaration that I think just about all lockdown skeptics would want to sign. They are calling for an end to all lockdowns, and for governments to pursue an approach similar to what Sweden, Japan, South Dakota, etc., have used in this pandemic. There are some high-profile lockdown skeptic scientists who have signed this declaration or cosigned it, including Sunetra Gupta and Michael Levitt. I encourage everyone to sign it and spread the word!
https://gbdeclaration.org
The October 5 Freddie Sayers interview (on UnHerd) with those three epidemiologists is also fantastic, by the way.
With the news that the vaccine will only be for older and more vulnerable people (Monday’s FT) does that mean there will need to be another U-turn in govt policy accepting that high numbers of “positive” cases in the under 50s are OK without continually resorting to restrictions and lockdowns. For example all the students and school children currently with it pushing numbers ever higher. The alternative will be endless restrictions with a disease that has relatively little impact to the under 60s.
I’m so confused about this supposed vaccine. I thought the whole point of vaccines was that they conferred herd immunity and not just individual immunity. For example, this is why it’s so important for children to get the measles vaccine as babies can’t have the vaccine so the immunised people around the vulnerable protect them.
The fact that they’re only going to give it to the vulnerable and that it might only lessen symptoms makes me wonder if it is even a proper vaccine at all?
In the FT interview it went on to say the vaccine (at least the Oxford one) isn’t intended to stop someone getting COVID but only to reduce the impact of catching it and reducing the chance of severe illness. Presumably that is part of the answer – no point in giving it to the young as they are rarely badly affected by it. Also said that don’t want to give to young as vaccine side effects likely to outweigh the benefits. Ie little or no benefit for young people.
I saw on Twitter; ‘Less than half of UK population’ will get a COVID-19 vaccine’ and thought that the majority of the population were finally seeing sense….
Of course it wasn’t meant to mean that.
They really don’t know what they are doing. Even their best-laid plans are unravelling.
They can attempt to vaccinate the ‘vulnerable’ but that is precisely the section of society for which the vaccine hasn’t been trialled. So safety is a complete unknown, as is efficacy. And they dilute their statements about efficacy all the time.
And then Peston comes out and says the young should be prioritised.
Why pick on them? They have already served to bring us towards the HIT, and will derive nothing but risk from a vaccine.
The US polls are showing that no more than half of the population will accept a vaccine.
Peston wrote a load of appalling bollox.
You’re making a rational, logical deduction. Don’t assume our politicians can do the same.
Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.
How about explain the risks and let people decide how to live? The bit about retired people is patronising bullshit! and this is meant to be a step forward?
The Great Barrington Declaration
Hi Steeve and what are the comprehensive and detailed list of measures that are within the scope of public health professionals? I mean how many measures do we need? Sorry will not be signing this one!
I mean who wants to hang in a wardrobe with mothballs?
They address that issue in the final paragraph, in talking about how life should be resumed as normal by the non-vulnerable members of the population. They clearly state that high-risk individuals should be free to resume life as normal if they want:
“People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.”
They also explain themselves more fully in the UnHerd Freddie Sayers interview, which is definitely a good one.
People who are more at risk may participate if they wish – shows how far we have fallen?
Yep, the world has definitely gone nuts. That’s why I’m glad scientists like these are speaking up about it. We need our freedom back, and lockdown victims desperately need the lockdowns to end as soon as possible.
Never mind possible, It’s impossible to define that ‘possible’. We need our freedom NOW, unconditionally.
Agreed. That is what I meant. The lockdowns should have ended months ago, but the irrationality and overconfidence of public health officials interfered.
There should never have been lockdown.
Thanks for saying that. I keep hitting that note in Daily Mail comments. We need restrictions removed NOW full stop.
I’m retired, I live at home( like millions of others who have not been attacked by instant senility on reaching pensionable age) and I will meet family members wherever I damn well like, when I’m not out riding, gardening, walking the dog, working, or generally living.
And what health care measures helped you to continue living life to the full?
Fresh air and good food.
You should do a recipe for the day!
Ingredients:
Fresh air ad lib.
One breakfast, one lunch, one supper. Adapt quantities to suit your taste and appetite.
Tea and/or coffee ad lib.
Your favourite drink, in or out of moderation.
Chocolate ad lib.
Season with a large quantity of Coronascepticism.
To be consumed in optimistic mood and in good company, whether of human, dog, horse or any other living creature whose companionship cheers and consoles.
Great post!
Although I’d specify ‘favourite drink’ as single malt whisky, cask strength but then watered to taste, drunk at any time of the day.
Annie you are amazing
Wonderful!!! A great recipe for a life worth living!
Dark chocolate, in my case. Lots of fresh air. Go mad being confined indoors 24-hours a day. Always been that way.
Ann, you should march on the Senedd, demand to be heard and lay some sound Ann advice on them.
And then please come up here and take on the Holyrood Heidbangers!
Alas, they have no ears to hear, and Cardiff is a jail, nobody allowed in or out.
For freedom they lost their blood, as our national anthem says.
Dark chocolate!!!
Same here!
Regular bird watching helps
As: previous comment plus hard manual work.
Exactly. I work on my allotment for 2 or 3 hours a day seven days a week. Getting stronger as a result (got the plot in February). And I intend to do a lot of path building over the winter, digging paths and moving wood chips, so heavy labour. I’ve lost over 8 kilos since lockdown started and improved my diet with tons of fresh veg.
And the government wants to make over-60s (over-50s?) think we’re made of cotton wool and have to hide in our houses? Hell, they’re trying to make 20 year olds think human beings are frail little creatures.
I don’t know about you but aged 15 I was working 50 hours a week for a small building firm ( It would be rightly classed as child labour today.)
I certainly don’t want to fall into a “Monty Python” sketch (” When I was young, there were 15 of us and we lived in a hole in the middle of the road and had 1 shoe between us and we were lucky,etc) but don’t class us 60/70/80 somethings as poor old people who should be locked away “for their own good”
Aged 13-15 I worked Saturdays for W.H.Smith & Sons. There would be 3 or 4 of us from a pool 6 so taking time off was never a problem.
One day the Manager (great guy) told us that the law had changed and that if we worked more than half a day he was ‘exploiting’ us.
Stuff that, how was I going to get fags And records with half day pay ? It was all cash in hand then so we worked around their stupid ‘protections’.
I’m in my sixties now and still work at the job I enjoy up to 7 days a week, by choice.
I’m 61 and anyone who try’s to define me as vulnerable can f**k off. I’m not overweight, don’t have any health problems and am not on any medication. I work in a front line service in social care and would like to be able to keep my job which won’t happen if the bed wetting government castigate me as fragile. In my free time I walk, cycle, climb boulders and wild swim. Lockdown didn’t stop me doing any of these things and neither have I worn a mask or used the dreaded hand sanitiser when I go shopping. I don’t believe in staying safe and would make the most if my remaining healthy years.
SNAP,
WELL SAID.
Same here Ann. I’m retired, own a smallholding a few miles away from my own home, and spend most days there with my horses, sheep and goats. I grow fruit and veg, I have a handyman who comes three times a week to help me with heavy lifting and things I simply can’t do now due to arthritis, but I’m active and well in all other ways. Nobody gets to tell me to stay at home! I’m there in all weathers, living life as I wish. I avoid shops and restaurants as I don’t wish to get involved with the nonsense Covid “measures”. I will not comply, ever.
My wife has taken my 97 year old Aunt out every week, she likes to browse in the shops ie M&S have a coffee etc. That’s what she loves doing!
Not something I understand! So when do we ever hear about the importance of this? When do we hear about quality of life over quantity? I mean at 97!
My wife could have said – “Stay in – better safe than sorry!!!!!!”
Absolutely brilliant, more power to you, your wife and especially your fantastic aunt
To me, the key is offer support/ protection to the vulnerable, IF they want it. That to me is the key, IF. No-one should be dictating to any group of people what is perceived to be for their good.
Yes, I think people are misunderstanding. gbdeclaration is not saying retired people should be forced to stay at home. It is saying that the resources currently being thrown at the non-vulnerable should be targetted at those who are vulnerable and wish to stay at home.
It was by far the most sensible option from the very start.
Exactly this. The declaration is well worded, because to say “what we should do is completely ignore the virus and tolerate old people dying” would be unacceptable. It talks about protecting the vulnerable because that’s what people need to hear as part of a herd immunity strategy, but it also says that the vulnerable should have a choice about being protected. It may not go far enough to our minds, but it goes as far as it can to be palatable to the mainstream media message.
‘tolerate old people dying’
They mean if we don’t tolerate it, old people won’t die?
That seems to be what most people think, yes. And if old people do die, it’s the government’s fault.
As a singer, one of my big worries is amateur choirs, in churches and elsewhere. Because of the Gareth Malone effect, choir singing had become very big in Britain again and, although shouty community choirs, performing pop songs by ear, are anathema to me, I know that they provide many retired people with a great deal of pleasure and a social life. Now, not only are those people being told that they shouldn’t go out because they are ‘vulnerable’, singing has been labelled as the Devil’s activity, with those who want to save it accused of murder by some obsessives.
Where choirs have resumed, the restrictions are absurd, with some ‘singing’ in masks!! Apart from my general opposition to the ghastly things, I will not compromise my integrity as a singer to allow a ‘mask’ anywhere near my breathing apparatus when I am in a situation where I am expected to sing. As a teacher, I fear for the technique of young serious singers who are bullied into this absurd behaviour.
Our bedwetting archdeacon thunks it’s mortally dangerous to let muzzled churchgoers hum into their masks. As for singing….
I know of a lady who joined a choir for lung damaged people at 91!
It gave her great joy and improved her health!
Joy is the best medicine!
Community singing is a very powerful way to pull people together and create bonds even between strangers. Anthems provide strong evidence of the effect.
That it has been banned is a sinister blow.
There is hope! I sang in a small group of 3 at a church in south Manchester on Sunday for the first time since March, at the invitation of the vicar, who is something of a sceptic. We were maskless – I refuse to wear one in any circumstances – but it’s a shame the same couldn’t be said of the congregation. But the church was filled with Byrd’s Mass for 3 Voices, and we also sang the hymns – the congregation weren’t as yet “allowed” to sing those, but hopefully that will change in time.
The vicar’s homily was wonderful – he talked about the story of Jesus healing the lepers, and if He wasn’t afraid to touch the unclean, without risk assessments and social distancing, perhaps we shouldn’t be either. I was waiting for him to exhort everyone to take off their masks and hug each other, but he didn’t go that far…yet. I caught up with him for a few words afterwards, and he lamented the fearful approach taken by those higher up in the pecking order. I said that the change needs to be at grass roots level, and he has a big part to play in helping the local community be less risk-averse. He seemed quite taken with the idea, so let’s see what he says at future services.
You are so lucky to have such a vicar, instead of a quavering, gibbering, nappied muppet like ours.
I’m in my 60s and pretty healthy. In fact, I’ve taken steps during this mess to improve my health. I take responsibility for my own health and take no medications. I have things delivered to my home because the government has made shopping a dystopian experience. That’s my choice, not theirs.
The current situation has only increased my distrust of the medical profession. I do not wish to be confined “for my own good”. The government can go to hell if it intends doing that.
They should have dusted down the instruction manuals of the old Isolation Hospitals 6 months ago.
Probably haven’t since they won’t be on a spreadsheet.
I don’t agree with a lot they have suggested either. It still opens the door for meddling in peoples personal lives. Many retired people are perfectly healthy so I don’t think their words have been chosen properly and they should have said vulnerable people rather than retired. And it should certainly have emphasised that any measures advised are voluntary and individuals should assess their own risks and how they want to live. And how can you meet your family outside during an English Winter when it’s tipping it down and freezing? But reading between the lines I am thinking they have tried to come up with something that will be more acceptable for Governments.
I thought the wording left a lot of loopholes and much to be desired.
Hear hear.
Lord Sumption is excellent on the point of allowing people to make their own choices, and neatly sidesteps a devious question from the Beeb interviewer:-
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/sumpton-on-uk-lockdown-challenges-bbc-reporter_RwqNfCjwjhHNZVa.html
Thanks for the link!
Consider this from the Paris bullshit:
“Paris has been placed on maximum alert as the Covid-19 incidence rate has exceeded 250 infections per 100,000 among the general public. The maximum alert is also triggered when two other criteria are met — when the incidence rate among those aged over 65 is above 100 per 100,000 people, and when at least 30% of the beds in intensive care units are reserved for Covid-19 patients.”
Do you notice something? Of course you do. No mention of deaths, or illness. And 30% of intensive care beds are not occupied by Covidders, they are reserved for Covidders.
France and the UK are lying from the same hymnsheet, evidently.
There was a time when Paris bars were frequented by Europe’s greatest intellectuals and artists.I suppose none exists these days.
Macron’s government were one of the ringleaders. I can’t see a way he can climbdown from this without being lynched. So, like here, they have to keep up project fear, whilst they keep on digging.
France will be held up as reason to tge UK in less than five days. Ican already sense Scottish cmo dentist Leech making notes about Paris to shortly regurgitate.
Which also neatly disproves the masks work theory.
Say what you like about President Trump, the leader (King) of the free world…….
That is exactly what ‘covid b*ll*cks’ needed: a shot in the arm….Oh! Hang on……..
When tv reporters and newsreaders say figures like “300 positive cases in 100,000 people” I’d like them to be compelled by law to add “or 99,700 people per 100,000 not testing positive”.
Good grief! The type of reporting issue you describe here has been infuriating me throughout this pandemic. The doomsayer reporters are fond of portraying statistics in a pessimistic way that stirs up panic, instead of in a way that calms the harassed public down.
Years ago, my father commissioned a statistical study, I forget the subject. He asked the statistician what result he thought most likely.
‘What result do you want, sir?’ replied the statistician, without a trace of irony.
Ha ha ha! I’m a statistician with a passion for psychology, so I appreciate stories like this one.
“I’m a statistician with a passion for psychology”
WOW! How does that work?
lol
I could never understand Chi Squared analysis, so that was my psychology A level down the drain.
You can prove anything you like with statistics. It’s a matter of how you present them.
Toby, I love your opener. But I came home early from work today, thoroughly depressed. Even American conservatives are saying things like: “good news is that Trump will be taking covid seriously and masks are to be required in the white house…” Etc… That from the formerly liberty living National Review.
I hate to say it, but I really feel today like the world has gone completely mad, and those people I thought were sane are as mad as the rest. Except here, of course.
On a totally different note: feeling some fondness for Lewis… My wife and I watched (or for her, rewatched) the first episode of Inspector Morse. Loved it.
If I ever do get to visit the UK, and I cannot visit Jack Aubrey, I hope to visit it during the 1980s. Please let me know when you get them back.
Yes please: Aubrey for PM and Maturin for chief medical officer.
As long as Maturin no longer insists on bleeding everybody at the drop of a hat.
What really depressed me is that Trump’s covid attitude is pretty widely rejected. It’s likely that it will lose him the election. We are demanding more draconian measures…
I kind of feel like the one guy in the crowd, looking around, saying “Barabus, really? Because to me Barabus seems like a bad idea… This is not what we should be asking for, guys…” And totally drowned out.
Life outside is more like an episode of Dr Who now.
National Review has been pretty much coronapanic central throughout, hasn’t it? Personally I never much trust them anyway because I’ve always been paleocon rather than neocon.
You’re talking to different American conservatives than I am. My family/friends are all thrilled with the outcome as they thought the hysteria was ridiculous to begin with.
If you do ever get to visit, HMS Trincomalee in Hartlepool is the nearest you will get to Jack Aubrey. Well worth a visit.
I would be thrilled! Finished all 20 books and have started again…
Wow, Trump, get in.
A caution about the Admiral Philips campaign.It doesn’t focus on the current Covid crimes against the old and helpless, but on a previous issue of funding. (Which isn’t to say that it’s not a worthy cause.)
At 8am
I have to phone the doctors because my Dads Asthma is worse. I phoned at 3pm yesterday to explain about his Asthma but to make an appointment I have to phone back at 8 – that is the rule! and this will be for a telephone consultation! Either AM or PM.
I mean they know he’s not well, why not just book him in? No you have to phone at 8 – listen to all the Covid crap again and get in the phone queue for however long – make your appointment and then wait all morning or all afternoon for the doctor to phone you. Not sure what you have to do to get into the surgery?
My wife tried to phone another surgery yesterday for her Auntie and could not even get through!
Still you are not allowed to just walk in and talk to a receptionist!!!
Evil.
I do hope you get some response soon. Good luck and don’t despair!
Call 111, ask for an appointment at your nearest urgent care centre or out of hours.
Thanks for that advice!
Medical dictatorship – but you can’t get an appointment for a serious illness.
Yep, sounds about right for UK 2020.
Medical people should be totally ASHAMED if they are supporting this new regime. It’s totally evil.
You are fools.
Anyone with asthma should increase their resilience by upping vitamin C (at least 2g per day), vitamin A and Vitamin D (at least 10,000IU per day) levels. Always take magnesium and Vitamin K2 with high dose vitamin D.
These things take time so will start seeing benefits in a couple of weeks.
National Hoax Service
I see Toby plagiarized my comment yesterday predicting Trump’s return unscathed, and what it will mean for the election and mask-wearing, basement-cowering Biden. No hard feelings.
It’s amazing how this panicdemic has resulted in people cheering for politicians and reading newspapers we wouldn’t have touched with a barge pole a year ago.
Or even six months ago.
Empathise as an ex-Guardianista (never again!) and now (somewhat embarrassed) Tory-graph subscriber (the relentless anti-lockdown comments BTL kept me going for months along with this site)!
Handycocks Skool Rithmetic
So that’s what an excel spread sheet looks like.
Talking about spreadsheets, and taking in the most recent Excel-related absurdity, closely following the modelling madness:
Did anbody spot the irony in the fact that this is yet another one of Bill Gates’ legacies to science/civilisation?
It is a well known fact that any spreadsheet software will have a file size limit.
In the 32-bit version of Office, the maximum files size for a workbook containing a Data Model is 2 GB, and the maximum memory that can be consumed by a workbook is 4 GB. If you exceed either of these limits, the workbook cannot be saved.
Maximum Memory or File Size Exceeded – Excelsupport.microsoft.com › en-us › office › maximum-memory-or-file-size…
Yes but to be fair Diane Abbott was the teacher.
I haven’t felt so optimistic in over six months.
Well done President Trump, such a positive response.
Take heed Johnson, Hancock, Whitby and Valance.
”Don’t let it dominate you!”
Those words in that tweet hit a nail bang in it head. So few words required, just tge right ines in the right order at the right time.
V&A have announced redundancies:
https://twitter.com/Tomfool11/status/1313011610101968896
https://twitter.com/V_and_A/status/1310943358211239936
What really angers me is the continued trotting out of “Covid 19” as an excuse for dire visitor numbers, abysmal figures in auxiliary services such as retail and catering. Why don’t they have the courage to say “it was the lockdown that did this” and admit that it was their cowardice and kowtowing to the government and Visit England’s Covid “safety” measures that will lead to loads of people especially those at the bottom (visitor services, tickets, retail assistants) who will bear the brunt of the job losses.?
What did you expect when the woke Tristram Hunt took over. I resigned my membership last year.
Unfortunately its not only the V&A that is in this pickle. Even where I work which I have documented its woes on its pages is also in the same boat.
That said I agree that many of these institutions were already having problems before this crisis took hold. Just look at the National Trust then followed by the British Museum and British Library among others. I seriously doubt if the directors of these institutions realise that they are simply accelerating their demise.
The National trust going bang would be one of the best things that has ever happened to this country.
What would happen to our properties in their care ?
Until the nonsense stops I, and I guess many, will not visit museums, stately homes and NT as masks and other CV stuff makes them a miserable experience.
snap
Well said. Mr Bart and I are boycotting them too and not returning until sanity prevails
I wonder if the economics of these redundencies were baked into that reopened with tiny visitor numbers per day plan back in July(?). Seems as though the top VnA brass might well have calculated as part of their opening package that staff would be layed off.
Unless they’ve been caught out by surprise that the Great British Public have decided not to go visiting when prebooking two hour visits in space suits are required.
I imagine the VnA staff will be sad to have lost their jobs.
I think its both. In order to get that “We’re Good To Go” endorsement, museums and heritage sites had to factor in reduced capacities and I suspect many top brass already knew that with reduced capacities alongside with the lack of income during the enforced closure, redundancy will be on the cards.
As someone working in the frontline, I already knew that prebooking, having to don muzzles, sanitise and follow stupid one way systems would not lead to good visitor numbers. TPTB I suspect were labouring under the delusion that people would be desperate to visit and are now panicking that the Great British Public are staying away or are refusing to do repeat visits.
I reckon they are and chances of getting a job elsewhere in he sector will be little to non-existent.
I watched Bbc news last night and there were various stories of economic woe.No one mentioned the cause of this,the lockdown and all the subsequent restriction.
Why is this?
Good question. Even when the MSM were reporting about the projected bankruptcies in the charity sector, they still blame the virus.
The narrative needs to change and now.
Every economic and social woe has been blamed by the BBC on the Worldwide Pandemic since day one rather than lunatic lockdown measures.
Not just the Beeb. All the MSM still only refers to the pandemic when lamenting business losses etc.
Sad news. The huge drop in tourism has to be a big factor, as it is for London as a whole.
It is. Both local and foreign as the London attractions all lost out due to the lack of summer holiday makers coming to the capital.
I’ve walked past various museums and visitor attractions and there are hardly any queues to the point that the barriers have been taken down and the faded social distancing stickers are not being replaced.
I live not far from the RAF Museum in NW London and seeing how its a virtual ghost town, I seriously doubt that it will survive in its present state.
I’m sure if they put on a few more exhibitions about White Privilege that will have all the visitors flocking back.
Or not. Just look at the National Trust and their slavery audit which led to more cancelled memberships.
I cancelled my NT subscription years ago when they allowed the senseless and unscientifc culling of badgers on their properties. Give all my charity money to the Wildlife Trusts and RSPB instead.
RSPB is hardly an innocent flower.
Doesn’t surprise me. I know of people who have cancelled due to the patronising interpretation in their properties and jumping on every woke bandwagon going.
Deservedly so!
I have no sympathy. They should have said to the government that Covid restrictions were unworkable. The little corner shop can’t do that but big retail, big business, theatres, museums, the CBI, FSB et, all should have protested vigorously.
Why would big museums, theatres etc protest vigorously? They are shielded from economic reality by grant moneys, so there was every incentive not to rock the boat and jeopardise their comfortable lives. Now though, they are running face-first into harsh reality.
But those of us for whom the arts are an important part of life will lose out.
Maybe life would be better if I were just a bovine consumer of nothing more taxing than ‘Enders, Corry and Californian Plonk every night!
Exactly. I work in the sector and it has angered me that their cowardice has led us into this situation. As they say united we stand, divided we fall – all the museum directors should have banded together, said no and would rather take their chances with the old normal before March 2020.
Now they are paying with their complicity.
I used to go to museums (I suppose I should say musea) quite a lot and I would usually spend a LONG time therein. My wife is similar. It is not possible to visit large museums like the Ashmolean, Fitzwilliam or the British Museum in one day; much better, in my view, to concentrate on one specific area and leave the rest for another time. But with all these restrictions (for safety they say, I never felt unsafe before) I refuse to go and it is obvious that I am not alone. Get rid of all the restrictions, face-nappies and anti-social distancing and THEN you will see visitor numbers increase. The first museum that does this and takes down ALL the patronising drivel will soon see a flood of visitors.
While we are talking about the patronising drivel, it must have cost something to (a) buy all those useless signs and (b) employ someone to put them up. Remove all of them and get civil servants to pay for them OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET. That MIGHT concentrate a few minds. Why should the taxpayer pay for this nonsense?
I know of people who have visited museums during this time and don’t stay long – they only come for a particular exhibition, don’t bother to view the permanent collection,and avoid the shops and cafes. As one visitor to where I work has asked “why do I want to stay any longer with this piece of cloth over my face?”
I broke my boycott to see the Titian exhibition (as am a member) at National Gallery and the one way system was such an abomination that I wrote them a stinging reply to a survey they sent me. I pretty much told them that it was a waste of time and if I an able bodied person was struggling with the one way route, how much more someone with mobility issues? It really, really angers me that in the name of “safety”, disabled people, those with long term illnesses and with mental health issues have been thrown under the bus.
This Trump coronavirus episode has highlighted how many sceptics are actually not so confident in their scepticism, including Toby Young.
Here we are day in day out making the case that this virus isn’t all that dangerous – little more than the flu etc… – and the moment Trump caught it it, the doom set in.
On reflection though, it’s highlighted how much of the British perception of the virus has been shaped by Boris Johnson’s experience with it. Him catching it and having such a bad time of it probably did more to frighten the British public than anything else.
Let’s hope the Trump experience, which is actually the more normal one based on the statistics, has the opposite effect now. Hopefully. everyone in the White House catching and shaking it off will snap the world out of its psychosis.
Go Trump!
Trump trumps the doom mongers. The Donald is back in the ring.
Unfortunately, from a brief reading of some comments elsewhere, I’m not sure that will shake the hardened Trump hater out of their dream. And I say that as a hardened Trump hater – who can also read, think, and analyse information, and adapt accordingly.
Trump is a polarising figure and that’s not going to change because he “survives” covid.
It isn’t but it might persuade enough swing voters in swing states to vote for him. I cannot abide the man either, I hasten to add but I think he is going to win this election.
Johnson was at least 30kg’s overweight. His obesity has been widely underestimated 17 stone plus at 5 9 is dangerous territory with any viral illness and top 1% in population obesity.
What Trump’s recovery should do is reduce fear with people in the late 60’s and 70’s with no pre-existing medical issues. Most are in better shape than Trump, who had high blood pressure pre China Virus..
Also this winter hopefully more bespoke treatment plans, rather than one size fits all will be more prevalent through some NHS Trusts than April.
Do you believe the Doris ‘touch and go’ serious illness?
I don’t.
I think the “brush with death” story is total bollox.
the doom set in only because of the worry that despite our scepticism about how dangerous covid is supposed to be, there was always a possibility that Trump could be seriously ill, given his age. Had that happened then it would have been a real setback to scepticism as this would have been used by the lockdowners.
As it is, Trump’s infection was mild, as we thought it would be.
I think people are actually confident in their scepticism. Toby didn’t wobble but his tone recognised that if anything did happen to Trump (no matter how small the likelihood) it would be extremely damaging to our cause. The MSM are going to twist the facts to promote even more hysteria
Making children safe in schools. The whole thing is absolute nonsense. A neighbour’s two grandchildren go to the same school, a child in the younger ones class of 3 year olds contracted the virus and the whole class has to isolate for 14 days now. Yet the older grandchild can go to school and the parents don’t need to isolate. What is the point?
Ha, yeah. My daughter and one of her friends are in different ‘bubbles’ at school. They are both with the same childminder two mornings a week who takes them to school together but has to drop them off at different entrances! Farcical!
Yep, we’ve had exactly the same. But I’ve long since given up on trying to rationalise the irrational.
Here is a nice explanation of the maths of whether you are or or not infected if you test positive – and the chance if you test positive a second time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13BD8qKeTg
Good one. Thanks!
Ivor Cummins posted a new video focusing on the UK situation: URGENT UPDATE: Societal Damage from Bad Science, not the Virus? Why are they doing this?
The usual calm, measured review of statistics that I love from Ivor. I donate a little money to him when I can to keep him going. He’s really a light in the darkness.
He’s promoting the hashtag #WhyAreTheyDoingThis as a place to promote evidence to counter the scare stories. I’m thinking about setting up a Twitter account just to post links to articles I’m reading and I hate Twitter.
#WhyAreTheyDoingThis was trending nicely yesterday. Cue the demands from the usual suspects for twitter to ban it.
I’d advise against it. Being on Twitter is like swimming in sewage.
I know. It’s definitely a sewer. But as someone who can’t go to demonstrations, I’ve got to do something. I post regularly on the Daily Mail and occasionally on the Guardian (when I can stomach it).
Plus, walking down the street is like swimming in sewage these days. More masked zombies outside now.
I set up a twitter account recently just to be another anti lockdown voice on the forum as it seems to have such a large effect on policy and the national conversation.
Hope matt can post details of his ‘interesting WhatsApp conversation’! My curiosity has been piqued.
(For those who don’t know, yesterday a member on here called matt referred to a WhatsApp conversation he had with a friend who intimated that there ‘may be light at the end of the tunnel before Christmas’).
Edit: Just seen that he said he couldn’t share… damn. Well, I’ll be keeping my ears to the ground for any interesting developments in the next few weeks…
I saw that thread too … come on, I know I’m a bit slow, but please let on!
matt is a sensible poster who should be taken seriously.
Yes that got my brain whirring too, Poppy. I can’t imagine any one thing that would allow us all to start to undo all the damage but any reason to be hopeful is welcome.
Yes, sorry. I can’t quote something I’ve been asked to keep in confidence. I’ll be happy to express it as opinion here and there, though. I should say that this isn’t absolutely a silver bullet, but it does suggest there’s a timetable and hope for the near-ish future, and hope for the future is more than I had yesterday morning.
Trump is definitely the superior candidate in the US for me. However it’s a low bar over there (as it is here). I can’t rule out that for me there’s a reasonable possibility the Covid stuff with Trump has been orchestrated or amplified in a particular way to boost his apparently flagging campaign. Probably not, but the thought has crossed my mind a number of times.
Anyway. If his campaign on Covid is based on ‘living without fear; we’ve got to live our lives’, then that’s fantastic. I can only hope it influences things over here. I don’t see UK government changing direction – they’re way too deep and it’s the fallacy of sunk costs; they’ve staked far too much on their covid response to change direction.
It’ll have to come from parliament or the public. Maybe the votes today and tomorrow will be a pushback – although I should say I absolutely don’t trust Steve Baker, he’s on the right side at the moment but he’s a total flake in my view (where was he for the last six months?) and not someone to be relied upon.
I also would point out that Trump is not out of the woods with Covid – doesn’t the bad stuff tend to hit 10-14 days after infection, often after someone ‘feels better’?
As ever I think the polls are nonsense. Biden is an old creep with young children, despite the media not wanting to talk about it its now well known in the populace.
The Democrats are a toxic party far too aligned with identity politics. The silent majority can’t stand this attack on their culture I suspect a trump win again.
I wouldn’t worry about Trump’s health, somehow I don’t think he’s got a real problem. Trump may well be better than Biden but I wouldn’t vote for either of them, even if I could.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-coronavirus-symptom-skin-rash-4576736?fbclid=IwAR2aKHa-6PSZl0WTaECS9m1DvFI3rOP3WuVFl1924T2TaJ6TvRpnoZydpVs
This is getting ridiculous, most viral illnesses can cause a rash, particularly in children.
They’re now really scrapping the bottom of the barrel with this.
Why don’t they just come out and say that being alive is a symptom of Covid 19? Its now reaching the point where one thinks that this virus is simply being made up to justify this continuing march to authoritarianism.
Nothing new, though. There was plenty of press coverage about this months back.
I saw someone claim that diarrhoea and vomiting is a symptom. Yes, breathing is a symptom of covid.
Vomiting is a symbol of Coronascepticism, triggered by sight of nappied zombies, government morons, etc.
Earlier in the year, after a bout of cold/cough over Christmas, I had persistent nettle rash (urticaria). I mentioned it to my GP (the last time I saw a doctor face to face) at my annual review in March and he wasn’t interested. Still suspect I had the nasty back then.
Daily Reminder .. Local press propagate BBC/Government covid lies and propaganda
BBC employ 149 journalists embedded in local press
The Leicester Mercury and sister papers Nottingham Post and Derby Telegraph have 5 embedded BBC reporters. See page 6
It’s is very odd indeed how topsy turvy this year has been.
But the crowning glory of just how messed up the world has become:
From the minute Trump said he was running i said he’s win. It was obvious. The way the media lie about him have exposed their agenda and now everyone who works for the MSM has been shown to be the lying, corrupt deep state stooges they are. All these celebrities, actors, musicians and such who support the government line have been exposed. The problem is the child killing death cult that rules over us won’t let go without a fight. I’d hazard a guess, and i might be wrong, but i’d say if you’re surprised by the idea that vote for Trump is a vote for freedom then you haven’t been paying attention. It is bizarre that such a man would turn out to be the saviour of the west, but he’s not saved us yet. We still need these evil fucks in the old government, the media liars and the corporate shills dealt with.
The people who watch and believe the BBC scare me the most, they think they know what’s going on but they are so brainwashed that they’d go from passive tv watchers to putting a bullet in your head if asked to do so. We truly live in scary times
Look we made an illogical fear and blind obedience and VIRTUE! And any logical or skeptical though a HERESY! This is the world we live in and will be for a long ,long time.
Nothing changed. Still don’t give a fuck about the virus, couldn’t care who’s had it or died from it. The government is still a lying murderous child raping bunch of wankers who sell bombs to sand savages on one hand and then claim they want to keep us safe on the other. That barren slapper in Scotland who seems infatuated by that Gates new world order muppet giving her “advice” when i suspect thats not all she’s giving her. These people have us locked down, unable to live, can’t visit your friend and parents for nearly 7 months now. It’s to to fucking stop it. Time for each and every one of us to refuse. Time to call out every person you know who supports this in the most aggressive terms. Time to cut ties with people who support this lockdown
I live in hope that businesses here tell her to piss off when she announces the long-planned lockdown this week, but I am not optimistic.
Went to the Pharmacy to pick up my wife’s prescription. I was the only unmasked customer and being non-compliant is the way to go. The pharmacy staff were not bothered bothered and were themselves unmasked.
I know this is off-topic (apologies!) but why on earth is the Bill Gates-sponsored lockdown “scientist” Neil Ferguson being given a platform on BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme yet again this morning? And with soft questioning and no opposing viewpoint…?
Oh wait…I think I have just answered my own questions 🙁
Because the BBC are evil, the people who work for it are liars and they are the mouthpiece of the evil bastards that rule us with an iron fist no problem at all. If the bloke next door was covering up child rape and god knows what else and you found out about it would you keep listening to what they had to say? I now just assume anyone who works for or appears on the BBC is either a child rapist/murderer or supports it or turns a blind eye for money. Fuck radio 4
Defund the BBC. Cancel your licence. Don’t watch the twaddle. For me I’ve gone full convert and don’t listen to R4 either. It used to be the intelligent voice of the nation. Now it’s woke claptrap and propaganda.
Had a dip at Sweden as well with no figures. Robinson clearly with a producer in his ear at the end gave another free platform to go at Sweden, again no figures. BBC this morning both Burnham and Ferguson on. If I want information those are about the last two people I would ask.
I thought the justifications he gave for dismissing Sewden’s example were a bit lame – something along the lines that a lockdown wasn’t needed because Swedes being more cautious and old people living on their own. I’m quoting from memory – a transcript of his exact words would be useful to read.
Didn’t hear the interview, but the standard zealot response to “what about Sweden?” is incredibly patronising to the British. It boils down to “the Swedes can be trusted to be sensible, but you lot need to be forced.”
It’s unacceptable. Anyone trotting out that line of rubbish should be ashamed of themselves.
I think you have it bang on there, both to what he said and the implication of what he said.
And be told to piss off.
Because it’s the BBC and Bill Gates feeds money into the Beeb, as well as into Imperial College.
I would be cautious about crowing over Trump’s recovery too soon – he sounded very breathless to me. But so far he seems to have done much better than our blond overweight leader.
If he is still sick it makes his words even more priceless: “Don’t let it dominate your life.” We all have to accept that we might get sick. We might have long term complications. If we’re really unlucky we might even die. But screw it, the clock is ticking for all of us anyway, we can’t put our lives on hold waiting for a vaccine that may never arrive. Don’t let it dominate your life.
He might as well have said “don’t let them dominate your life” because it’s not the virus that is pulling all the levers.
Yes, I said “don’t let the government dominate your life” but your version is more succinct.
Peter Hitchens and Mike Graham excellent as always on the coronapanic nonsense. Also some good analysis by Hitchens of our systemic political problems.
“…. although the two political parties had many faults and no one’s saying they were perfect, the great thing was that they more or less represented the old divide in the country, which existed I suppose up until the mid-sixties, which was basically a class divide. But since then they don’t represent the divide in the country, which is now something completely different. I’d sum it up in shorthand as the difference between Polly Toynbee of the Guardian, and me. It’s all about social and moral issues, and education and marriage and sex and things of that kind, and not about nationalisation and trade unions any more. The two political parties are basically very much on the Polly Toynbee side. They don’t really have anything to fight each other against, so they have these phony wrestling matches every few years in which they pretend to be opposed to each other and in which huge amounts of money are spent on public relations tricks of various kinds and one party or the other wins….the Tory party nearly died, should have died, in 2010, but was madly saved by the electorate who decided to rescue it from its deserved doom, and also what’s more to endorse David Cameron’s Blairisation of it, so that the Tory party had become under David Cameron a Blairite party and Tory voters rushed to vote to approve this, and so they saved it. If that hadn’t happened the Tory party would in my view have collapsed, been unable to raise funds, or continue, and there would then have been a hole.”
Peter Hitchens: “Testing has always been a bizarre fetish”
Hitchens is one of the best analysts of this issue, which he has been examining and writing about for many years, imo, and he puts his finger on why so many Brits (including him and me) are basically unrepresented, because of the collapse of the “Conservative” Party into irrelevance. I abhor almost everything that Polly Toynbee represents and stands for.
Crimes Against Humanity
Dr Reiner Fuellmich
50 minutes of clear, detailed, accurate good news.
Just shy of a million views between the English and German versions in two days.
https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ
Also available on Bitchute and Brandnewtube.
https://brandnewtube.com/v/QdCpGL
Did watch that. Best one hour summary of the whole crisis narrated in clear, concise and accessible but not patronising language.
It has value seen simply, as you say, as a clear summary. That it also promises a potential bite back is uplifting to experience.
Just been listening to Sunak being interviewed on R4.
My interpretation is that he failed to give enthusiastic support for the PM, and certainly not for the lockdowns.
Reminds me a lot of John Major in the early days.
The cracks in the government are appearing especially as Sunak is giving as good as he gets especially after he was blamed for the rise in “cases” due to Eat Out to Help Out.
If Sunak keeps hammering home the point that the economy is lives and that we can’t carry on living in fear of the virus then he can be on to a winner.
Yes, he’s just been on TalkRadio too and for all his gush about the PM, he sounds like they’re divergent on lockdown.
On his R4 interview I didn’t hear it as gush, rather as someone going through the necessaries in expressing his support for the PM.
He will be mad keen to get out of his current job. Guaranteed to be the most hated man in the country very soon is the chancellor. His body language wasn’t positive when he had to announce the extension of the JRS scheme. The original plan was to end it in June.
That extension will be a disaster. Short-term thinking at it’s most ruinous.
Half the time I notice that Sunak’s body language is of someone who has lost the will to live.
He must be tearing his hair out at the government’s intransigence and he knows that the blame will be laid on him when this all goes belly up.
Next item on skynews is an interview with a Long Covid victimee. It may be interesting to learn how they have been declared to have Long Covid.
Is it a requirement to have a Lab test for Covid prior to getting the label Long Covid?
I can only see Long Covid is there to add a deliberate layer of rubbish to the overall farce.
Not to say viral infections do not in some cases carry a legacy of issues.
Why is there no footage of people at home with the covid dry cough etc?
Don’t people take selfies of their suffering?
Some stats on the actual numbers of sufferers would be useful. I don’t doubt that some people have lingering aftereffects but without numbers it’s impossible to say how much of a problem it is.
Even so, if deaths are or can be minimised then Long Covid on it’s own would not be justification for all the extreme measures taken.
You put it clearly, yes. I’m not doubting there are lingering effects in some from vital infections.
I’m not buying into Long Covid as a condition. The primary covid infection is defined by lab result not symptoms under WHO guidance. Yet we’re supposed to rely on symptoms alone for long covid? Definition of Long Covid from other legacy illness appears unlikely imo.
I wondered the same thing. How can you claim “long covid” if you can’t confirm that you even had covid. And I’ve seen people claiming it from back illnesses back in March or April when you couldn’t get a test unless you went into hospital.
Yes another propaganda tool to keep the crisis going until Billy’s jabs are ready.
It’ll be the next pseudo illness for the mentally ill like “chronic lime disease” when there’s no evidence that they never even had a tick bite let alone actual lime disease.
With Remembrance Sunday on the horizon, we need a campaign.
Let’s saturate the country with badges, stickers, pamphlets, badges, along these lines:
WEAR YOU FACE NAPPY WITH SHAME.
THEY DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM.
YOU THREW IT AWAY.
Last Sunday someone here on posted a video from a scientist from South Africa raising the alarm of the vaccine being trialed in Africa.
Rather odd that no-one who has jumped on the BLM bandwagon has anything to say about it.
BLM are only intrested in certain black deaths.Ones they can use to discredit a certain president.
The same tactic was used here during the Stephen Lawrence affair
That’s what I’ve always suspected. They don’t care about Africans and they certainly don’t like those who don’t fit into their narrative – upwardly mobile, socially conservative and successful.
This is that video
https://youtu.be/kJ0F3mgabBE
A thoroughly shocking watch if you don’t know how the poorest communities available are being exploited by the Oxford vaccine trial in order to test the vaccine your mask wearing neighbour is praying for.
Country M a commenter had the gteat idea of posting the vidoe up on facebook with the words – Black Lives Matter – nothing more just the link and those words.
Please watch and shard the video – humans should not be exploited.
I watched that last Sunday and it was shocking. Makes you wonder why this isn’t being reported widely.
Cancel that! On second thought….I know why.
Important to remember that BLM stands for Black Lives Manipulated.
Asking questions about these trials would not suit the agenda of the oligarchs who payroll BLM. They don’t give two hoots about poor Africans, apart from wanting to reduce their numbers.
It’s sickening, but that’s how this works. So “nothing to see here”.
And just like the Chinese, they see Africa as a place to be exploited.
Despicable.
Crimes Against Humanity: class action with leading tort lawyers against the instigators of the corona-scam : video available : watch this immediately, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ
Watched this a couple of days ago – highly informative and convincing arguments from someone with a track record of uncovering fraud and corruption. Well worth the 40 minutes. I hope he brings it on and we seen a worldwide reckoning.
In the meantime I hope all goes well for Simon Dolans Injunction hearing, expected next week
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1313228078433230848?s=20
And good riddance to the miserable twat and all its miserable readers. You don’t need their custom.
Are you in North Yorkshire? I’ll support your business
Whereabouts as it is my neck of the woods
I truly wish I could come for a cup of tea and a cake. I think my wife would think I’d gone stark raving mad if I told her we were going on a day trip to Saffron Walden, à propos of nothing, though.
It certainly is worth a visit. Beautiful countryside in NW Essex.
I’m in Hadstock so will come and visit. What’s the name of your cafe?
You can find it on Trip Advisor by filtering on the location and “coffee/tea”. I’m in Essex but a bit far away for a drop in. Looks great and sensible. K has had a torrid time with reviews. Hopefully common sense will prevail soon. I think any contributor close to Saffron Walden should pop in and leave a supportive review..
Found you! Will come in and say hello!
Now why would you ask that?
Reported in the Sun.Scotland 2 week circuit breaker lockdown from Friday to coincide with half term
I thought John Knox was dead.
Locking people indoors with their kids in October. When will Scotland rebel?
Working from a plan,it is so obvious now.
Well considering she hinted at this weeks ago, then yeah, it is obvious that deaths, cases, hospitalisations, whatever could be anywhere and this would still be happening. And Scotland won’t rebel because most people here are infatuated with this psycho FM as she claims to be doing things differently than England; and getting it up the English is the most important thing to these morons.
She says she knows it’s tough. How does she know? She lives off our tax money to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds. What does he know about how seven months of this nonsense has done to us. We can’t keep locking everyone up. It’s got to stop. She’s not saved a single life. None of the things she is doing can be proven to have saved anyone. Ignore her and her government. They don’t have my consent. This isn’t a government it’s a fascist dictatorship. Can someone tell these motherfuckers you can’t control a virus and if people die because of it then so fucking what. That’s he nature of things. They’ll be no country left to save if she keeps doing this. It’s almost like because she can’t have her delusional independence in Europe while still using the pound as a currency she’s gonna destroy us back into the stone age. And yet there are people out there who think nothing of doing this to us and seem quite happy to do this to us forever. I really really despise the SNP and the absolute mongs that support her. The only good thing about it is all these people supporting her are gonna suffer poverty they’ve never known in the coming months and years. She’ll be fine though because once she’s gone she’ll live on her massive pension and no doubt a job in some sinister Gates run company for psychopaths. They’ll be a book telling us how well she did and how she stood side by side with the public as they lost everything they worked their whole life for. Yeah it’s tough Sturgeon but only because you made it so.
We shouldn’t even call it a ‘Government’. We didn’t used to. Her ‘Ministers’ now call themselves ‘Secretary of State’. How dare they. She confuses goverment with Country, and party with government. She’s hijaked the flag. Her husband runs the party. She’s Nationalised the Police. She meddles in foreign affairs at our expense. It’s unbelievable.
Executive. That’s all.
Mind Control = Govern ment.
The latin speakers will tell you that’s the correct meaning of government.
She must go; she must ; we need rid of her and her creepy cabal of activist control addicts.
I find the mass hypnosis of a formerly robust, humorous independently minded bunch like the Scots of yore to be deeply troubling and I hate it.
What a rancorous censorious self righteous place this now is.
Exactly a predicted were by the “leaked document” 2 weeks ago.
Sounds like they are describing the perfect place to go.
Can you tag yourself on TwatAdvisor with #NotAfraid or #NoBedwetters or something?
Great update today Toby.
The next debate writes itself.
“what I’m saying is old people, vulnerable people, (looks at Biden) people like you, Joe, yes, people like you I wanna help you, protect you, keep you safe Joe, but healthy people, young people (looks at camera) you good people, don’t be afraid, you can beat this virus, just like I did…”
I see the BBC have managed to find a Dr to rubbish Trumps recovery on the latest Radio2 news…
When I was in Kent for August Bank Holiday I was reccying restaurants and found one in Hythe which had reviews just like your first one. My immediate response was to book and it was lovely. Sane people don’t judge purely on star ratings – I actually only use Tripadvisor for restaurants which don’t have sample menus on their websites (a common problem when travelling in Europe) and I take personal opinions with more than a pinch of salt.
Sounds great! When can I pop in?
I actually saw that review on TwatAdvisor and its made me more determined to visit your cafe.
Am planning a day trip to your neck of the woods soon.
Ditto!!! Will let you know closer to the time!
Probaly useful to look at Trump’s actions in light of the fact that he is not going to let China take the piss out of America over a fake pandemic. 😎
The Great Reset which is dismissed as conspiracy theory, seems to be what is happening. The chaos now is to prepare people for a different way of life. The climate change lobby determining the direction.
Look up the planned 2021 Davos meeting and see what are the subjects for discussion.
Just saw your reply, yes, all coming from there in January.
I had a YouGov questionnaire relating to the great reset today.
Scary! One question was really odd: blablabla to create a society to respect all genders/trans gender, cannot remember the exact wording.
Its mainly about sustainability, saving the planet etc. All from the Climate Change lobby. Covid has been a way to slow everything down, apparently, to see how people react to changes, how much they comply etc. The changes are to be revealed in Davos January 2021
I get that Trump is divisive but he’s one of the few politicians to have spoken plainly about how our attitudes to the virus need to change. Two key quotes:
In the spring: “We’re going to open up, and people are going to die”
And now: “Don’t be afraid of it. Don’t let it dominate you”.
He is spot on, we have GOT to just take the risks just as we do with driving, eating, flying, living generally etc.
No economy in the world is optimised to create lots of jobs and prosperity while trying to avoid this virus like it’s the Black Death. We must re-open (while being courteous and sensible about hand-washing and if we have a fevers – as you should ANYWAY) and if a vaccine comes great, give it to the old or vulnerable. Otherwise, we have a moral duty to carry on without restriction.
It’s worth reading Trump’s speech from Davos in January.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-world-economic-forum-davos-switzerland/
I’ve just posted a complaint to the BBC after listening to Radio 4 this morning. I hope that other’s might consider registering their displeasure. If the BBC continue to give a platform to the likes of Ferguson – whilst failing to balance their coverage – the fearful will never re-engage with life.
Dear Sir,
I am continually surprised by the airtime and credence Radio 4 give to Neil Ferguson.
Notwithstanding his discredited modelling (and indeed his failure to respect the guidelines put in place on account of his discredited modelling), yet again he was given a platform on the Today programme on Radio 4 to give his opinion.
Moreover the questioning by Nick Robinson was nothing like that which would be reserved for a politician. Incredibly Ferguson was permitted to say that if further restrictions were not put in place the NHS will be ‘overwhelmed’ again.
Even during the height of the pandemic the NHS wasn’t even close to being overwhelmed and now the situation is very different. But instead of trying to push back on this claim, Nick Robinson tried to extract a fear mongering quote – attempting to get Ferguson to day ‘There’s a real threat of the NHS now being overwhelmed’ so that the BBC could feature him on hourly news bulletins.
Ferguson’s explanation for why Sweden had faired relatively well – which inconveniently runs contrary to his position – wasn’t questioned either. Robinson should have outlined the counter argument.
Ferguson’s ‘opinions’ were taken as gospel and were not dissected effectively at all.
Moreover, Nick Robinson failed to ask why we should take Ferguson’s opinion as significant, especially considering his weak past record in both modelling and mortality rates.
Aside from his discredited modelling for Covid:
In 2001, he predicted that foot and mouth disease could kill up to 50,000 people. It ended up killing less than 200.
In 2005, he told the Guardian that up to 200 million people could die from bird flu. The final death toll from avian flu strain A/H5N1 was 440.
In 2009, a Government estimate based on one of Ferguson’s models estimated the likely death toll from swine flu at 65,000. In fact, it was 457.
I truly feel that there is a continued and significant lack of balance in the BBC’s coverage of the pandemic .
You forgot to add his rule breaking with a married woman. I heard the interview, it was despicable.
Cancelled my licence fee direct debit. Not paying for this crap!
What took you so long?
You are right! What are they going to do, send the TV detector van round? Another massive con by the BBC/GPO!
“In 2001, he predicted that foot and mouth disease could kill up to 50,000 people. It ended up killing less than 200.”
Where is this meme coming from? I’ve seen it repeated here numerous time but it needs to be made clear: FMD does NOT kill humans.
The trouble with making factual errors like this is that it calls into question the veracity of the remaining facts.
I’m afraid I chickened out and turned the radio off. I didn’t want to risk a heart attack through excess anger.
I updated this late last night.I think it is very extraordinary that Gupta has not been involved much by the Gov and now this speaking with Scott Atlas!
From US Minister Azar
“In the conversation with Martin Kulldorff, PhD (Harvard), Jay Bhattacharya, MD, PhD (Stanford), and Sunetra Gupta, PhD (Oxford), we heard strong reinforcement of the Trump Administration’s strategy of aggressively protecting the vulnerable while opening schools and the workplace.”
Funny.Gupta hardly had an opportunity to speak to Boris J by phone but can fly to Washington and get in touch with the top echelon of US C-19 response!
Has anyone had any experience with being challenged for your mask exemption – in a place where masks are not legally required please?
Upon reopening, my gym made it compulsory to wear a mask when queuing outdoors, when entering/exiting, when walking around, when using loo, when returning equipment etc – basically all the time except when you’re exercising in your marked box on the floor.
There’s a myriad of other ridiculous rules too, but I made it clear that I couldn’t continue my membership until masks exemptions were accepted, and they just refunded me.
Since it is private premises, are they free to implement whatever rules they want? Or am I being discriminated against under the Equality Act? Pubs, restaurants, shops etc are also private premises, but the Gov seems to have introduced laws there. I can’t find any advice online about whether exemptions are permitted in spaces where the relevant law isn’t even concerned anyway. Any thoughts gratefully received please!
Note: I don’t want to threaten them with anything. As bonkers as the owners are I really miss the community as it was my main social interaction 🙁
I suspect that this is in breach of the Equality Act 2010 – it is a bit like banning people due to any other disability. Check the laworfiction.com website – I think that you can post a question there.
From the Act:
“It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:
“You’re protected from discrimination:
As the legislation regarding facemasks/coverings is self declared, I think that refusal to allow your entry into the gym without a facemask is discrimination. However, I am not a lawyer and this needs to be checked.
Fab thanks guys. I do have a genuine reason that would stand up to cross-examination. Although I would regard this as my private medical history and wouldn’t disclose it without knowing how that info would be used/stored etc. However, I suspect that most people who know me also know I am a sceptic who thinks that the whole mask agenda is a completely unjustified infringement of our liberties.
So it’s hard to be both as I can see how people would doubt 1. if you believe 2!
I am hoping that my gym membership would be covered under “member of a private club or association”.
It’s in breach of the Equality Act if they’re turning away somebody who has a genuine reason not to be able to wear a mask that is related to a physical or mental impairment. It’s worthwhile making this point to them and making sure they understand their obligations under the law, but unless you have an actual, provable reason that would stand up under cross examination in court, you are setting yourself up for a fall if you pursue it
Fab thanks. I had been to laworfiction but I didn’t realise that they had a forum there too.
Your second paragraph just highlights the sheer ludicrousness of the situation: A virus so “dangerous” that you have the energy to get to the gym, never mind participating in strenuous exercise.
To your fourth paragraph: Private premises don’t have the right to implement whatever rules they want if it is contrary to law. What they do retain is the right to refuse admission for any reason whatsoever so long as it doesn’t break one of the anti-discrimination laws.
Thanks, that’s really helpful. It is absolutely ludicrous. They’ve gone down the lines of assuming that the only reason people won’t return is because it’s not “safe” enough. I suspect I’m not the only person they’ve put off though. Unfortunately we’re in one of the doomed “local lockdown” areas so set to be under siege indefinitely due to an unending spiral of false positives from perfectly healthy people who’ve just been persuaded to take a test in the park.
Kirstie Allsopp asks on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/1313240987070857218
I try to keep my Twitter presence as low key as possible so don’t tend to post replies to this sort of question on there.
However death is something that I do and have thought about. For instance I’ve thought about which of my parents would cope better if the other died first. Some people may shy away from such thoughts but it’s something most people will have to deal with at some point.
But back to the question posed. It strikes at the heart of what I suspect most people fear and that is being alone. The world is a much harsher place if you are alone in even your thoughts.
It’s probably bad enough living a lonely life but there can’t be much worse than dying alone and by that I mean how it might feel in your final moments. Not having been in that situation I can only speculate but imagine how much better it would be if there was at least one close person there to show that you meant something to somebody else during your time on this earth.
If you die alone or in the presence of strangers then your final moments may well be spent wondering what was it all for. In the end it maybe doesn’t matter because once you’re dead everything becomes irrelevant but I’d like to think that we could give people at least the chance of some final moments of happiness or whatever you want to call it.
I don’t really want to ponder on how people would feel if those thoughts were made to drag on for weeks or months.
There was a story a few years ago of a young woman cyclist hit by a truck turning left in London. She was stuck under it. A passer by crawled under and held her. He couldn’t do any more than that. No-one could. A few moments later she was dead. Before the ambulance arrived. All the health and safety, our NHS, all the rest of it, none of it helped but maybe the presence of someone in that moment, maybe that helped, a bit. It’s always stuck with me.
sad story but saying the cyclist was “hit by truck” is not fair on truck drivers. What usually happens is that a truck will stop at lights indicating left. Whilst stopped cyclists will go up the inside and will stop in a place invisible to the truck driver. Lights change, driver cannot see cyclist in his mirror, turns left and the cyclist goes under the truck. And the truck driver is blamed.
City centre cyclists tend to have no respect for drivers, pedestrians or rules of the road.
Ages ago I got a bit mangled in London when a van turning left knocked me off and drove over my bike.
I harboured a grudge for years, but the reality was that I was at least a much to blame as the driver because I was riding right where he couldn’t see me.
We’re all responsible for our own safety, I guess. Well, we used to be. Now it’s Doris’ responsibility, and we should all be grateful, dammit.
As Toby points out, Trumps recovery is a major blow to the lockdown zealots and the reactionary left.
Don’t underestimate how important this could be in the forthcoming election and for the US covid response, as his recovery will blow a lot of ‘established narratives’ out of the water in the US. Americans will start asking questions when previously they just accepted the leftist dominated MSM lines.
I know Trump is an extremely divisive figure across the political spectrum, but I think he’s a vital cog in the ongoing culture wars we are embroiled in. We need him to stand up to China and take a metaphorical baseball bat to the long march infested cultural institutions in the US, so our useless government will be forced to do the same in the UK.
In brazil deaths and infections continue to fall not far off herd immunity , over by x mas,
Nick Hudson South Africa has created a website and remarkble update data about C-19 not only SA but also the world.Very accessible.Pandata
https://www.pandata.org.za/
Try the live data stream
Stole this from the excelgate thread…
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23excelgate&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Crisp
Made me laugh!
Or this
Is this going too far?
No Mabel. These people will be turning in their graves to see what has happened to our country. I’ll take a hundred please and I’ll spread them far and wide. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Arnie.
Are you kidding? This is brilliant. Should be posted everywhere, both online and on flyers.
Isn’t the main message ‘get a life bin the mask’? So I wonder if it shouldn’t go at the top of the flyer. Most people will glance at the photograph and wonder what it’s about, not bothering to read further.
Sorry, but I have a very low opinion of people’s ability to assimilate anything other than a large well lit MacDonalds sign.
You make a good point. Here’s why I put the bin at the bottom.
Looking at my original “Get a life / Bin the mask” poster in my car window, somebody said:
“I just looks like an environmental poster telling people to dispose of their masks properly.”
After a deep breath to stop myself from screaming, I realised that they were right. People will read the poster in a way that accords with their beliefs. Sceptics like us get the message instantly, but non-sceptics will simply see the mask going in the bin and think about the environment.
Therefore this morning I resolved to change the poster so that there was no possibility of misinterpretation, even at the expense of more words and a greater chance that someone might not read the call-to-action.
‘”The ability of the masses to understand is very low”.
A.Hitler. Mein Kampf.
I’ve changed “They” to “He”, which fits the picture better and also makes it more personal.
Here’s my suggested tagline:
“This November, don’t just buy a poppy. Honour the fallen by standing up to dictatorship.”
To make it even more direct, what about ‘He died for your liberty’.
Good idea. I did think about something similar, but I was trying to cut the word count down to the bare minimum.
I’m happy to create a family of such posters, each with a different slant on the same theme. I’ll add your suggestion to the list of candidate slogans. Thanks!
“They” was my preference, but I felt it just didn’t work with the picture I had found. And I really liked that picture. The expression on the chap’s face is enigmatic: he’s bent but not broken, resolute, and slightly accusatory.
I feel that the “He” and the single figure creates a more intimate connection between the soldier and the viewer, the suggestion that it is individual actions that are required.
Jesus, I’m starting to sound like I work in marketing.
Not too far at all.
Madrid, Spain
7 million inhabitants
lockdown measures back
number of ICU admissions in last 7 day?
==> EIGHT <===
Admitted “with”?
https://twitter.com/GorpFilip/status/1313215632591261699/photo/1
C-19 admitted to ICU.But figures above shows clearly reducing cases just when they started with ludicrous new restrictions,late and meningless as usual when politicians are involved.
lol
Just tell them not to come back if they are that worried. They should stay hiding under the bed, wrecking the economy so they don’t lose their sense of smell for a week. Idiots.
We are now in the very strange place that more restrictions, causing even more suffering, might offer the first glimpse of a way out of this. Despite what most people say in public (either mask to mask or online) I am certain that a second national lockdown would be largely unpopular this time. This could have a galvanising effect in just enough of the population – still a minority, but a bigger minority than at any point so far – to get them finally asking some serious questions.
The flip side of this coin is the risk that once we go back into full lockdown, we may never come out of it. Until we are vaccinated of course.
Well you can test your theory on the case-study that is Scotland. I suspect the general population will do as they are told and close their businesses down, stay at home, and pretend they are ‘doing better’ than England..
Indeed. If the majority surrender as meekly as they have done to this point, and roll their sleeves up in the final act of supplication to the Covid Cult, then I will not be obliged to participate in society in any way, and can become more reckless and disruptive in my opposition.
Brilliant spot by Clare – Carl Heneghan-esque. Worth reading in full. Let’s hope some bigwig at PHE reads Clare’s article and fixes the problem.
Yes – it’s a decent article with some good points. However, Lockdown Sceptics need to consider the logic of some of their arguments – two of which are:
1/ IFR is low – around 0.1%
2/ The UK is close to herd immunity.
These are inconsistent with a position which claims that TRUE case numbers are low.
Hospital admissions and deaths are increasing. If IFR is as low as 0.1% then Cases would need to be increasing at around 30k per day.
You can’t have it both ways.
If the entire population had a test (and the test was fit for purpose) then there may be more than 30k/day ‘cases’
Very old frail people dying of very oldness get labelled c19 deaths.
Very old frail people dying of very oldness get labelled c19 deaths.
In which case, the all cause age adjusted mortality rate in the UK would be significantly below normal by now.
lockdown is killing tens of thousands
BS. That is not the experience of most people.
Poll after poll shows the public are strongly in favour of stricter lockdowns.
You appear to apply scepticism in one direction but not the other.
16-20k deaths from missed cancer treatments – ONS stats
I agree lockdown is not killing most people but then neither is ‘covid’
Cancer doesn’t kill that fast. All cause mortality just today is above the previous ten year maximum for Week 39. Over the next 24 months, there most likely will be additional cancer mortality. But it is much slower to feed into the data. Deaths from strokes and, heart attacks and suicides have not risen. We will reach the historic 10-year average number of annual deaths by mid November, at least six weeks early.
If people’s experience is evidence and your argument is that lockdown isn’t killing people because they are in favour of lockdowns then I assume you must also agree that as pretty much most people’s experience of Covid is not of dying or knowing anyone dying then there isn’t a pandemic.
People’s experience – right or wrong – is that they’re fearful of Covid. LS needs to put forward a better case.
How do you know anything about what people are thinking .Are you some kind of mind reader ?.a couple of useless online polls which nobody hardly took part in keep getting repeated as evidence on this site. If the people are so scared of covid why have they flocked to the beaches in their thousands all summer to party ,have barbeques ,get drunk and be together. All you keep repeating is lockdown worked but there is no evidence for that anywhere in the world .I would never support lockdown at any price ,our liberty is to precious to ever give away to people like yourself .
The public are strongly in favour of stricter lockdowns for other people. Actual behaviour of people who are locked down – about 10% of people self-isolate completely when they are supposed to – suggests that support for it is pretty low.
“Poll after poll shows the public are strongly in favour of stricter lockdowns.”
That’s because they have been systematically traumatised by the most ferocious fear driving psychological warfare program the world has ever seen.
Mayo.
Why would it be? CoViD19 is still the 24th cause of death. Alzheimer’s, cardiovascular disease, cancer are still the most significant causes of death. These are not being treated. See Ivor Cummins latest presentation.
And this is relevant – how?
Seriously?
Yes – seriously. People are familiar with the risk of cancer etc.
Covid-19 is an unknown.
Covid-19 was an unknown, but no longer. The data are out there for those who choose to read. At this point anyone who’s not in the known ‘vulnerable’ category (very old and / or with co-morbidities) and is still afraid of the Kung Flu is simply a bloody idiot. But they’re bloody idiots who’re complicit in perpetuating this dystopia. A pox (or even a not particularly dangerous Chinese virus) upon them all.
I’ve always felt the disease is highly infectious and no doubt incidents of infection have risen as we move into Autumn and schools, unis, and offices reopened.
The point about false, trivial and symptomless positives (and false negatives) is that it makes test and trace in a nation of 70 million people, 100 plus languages and widely divergent cultures an ineffective strategy.
It’s a good way to waste £100b plus (when we get to Moonshot), and to ensure that a significant proportion of the population at any given time are in enforced isolation.
This is surely the intention behind the strategy.
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You’ve modified your approach since last time I chanced upon your post. Nice to see you are listening and learning.
How have I modified my approach? My thinking has not changed.
You are wrong mayo. Your thinking had changed, in your post I remarked upon. Now however I see you have deflated to type. Good luck with your feeding.
In what way?
I continue to criticise the nonsense put out by this blog.
I continue to maintain that all those who insist that the UK is close to herd immunity are wrong.
I’ve never been in favour of anything more than a short lockdown.
In what way have I changed?
You have no idea how many ‘infections’ or ‘cases’ there have been in this country this year and, perhaps, even earlier.
Neither does anyone else. And, in particular, no-one has any idea how many people actually died ‘from’ covid 19
All the data is junk except for overall all cause mortality:
‘In August 2020, there were 34,750 deaths registered in England, 2,060 deaths fewer than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for August; in Wales, there were 2,379 deaths registered, 116 deaths fewer the five-year average for August.
The leading cause of death in August 2020 was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease in England (accounting for 10.9% of all deaths) and ischaemic heart disease in Wales (11.0% of all deaths); both leading causes of death were the same in July 2020.
The coronavirus (COVID-19) did not feature in the top ten leading causes of death in August 2020, in England or Wales. In England, COVID-19 was the 24th most common cause of death and in Wales it was the 19th most common cause of death, for deaths registered in August 2020.’
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2020
Please don’t quote figures at me unless you’re intending to make a point. Citing August mortality without context is meaningless – as is the most of the rest of your comment.
Please explain how anything you’ve written debunks anything in my comment.
You say:
‘Hospital admissions and deaths are increasing. If IFR is as low as 0.1% then Cases would need to be increasing at around 30k per day.’
I say junk!
The only useful figures are all cause mortality and those show that any consideration given to hospital admissions from covid 19 (junk data) and deaths from covid 19 (junk data) is just plain silly since it was, certainly for August, only the 24th most common cause of death in England.
Which makes your entire comment, above, otiose; completely daffy.
there was a spike in covid deaths ‘with’ months ago. From early June until now covid deaths have been below other cold/flu deaths
And yet you sight “cases” without context!
I am not making any comment about cases other than to say that, if cases are low then IFR must be high.
I agree that all cause mortality is the best of a bad bunch of data that we have but it is unfortunately complicated by the impact of lockdown and the difficulty of picking it apart.
The key fact is that overall all cause mortality has been plumb normal except for the period immediately after the discharge of tens of thousands of patients from hospital at 24 hours notice.
That is all anyone needs to know; a complete false alarm…….again…..
Yes excellent post Tim
infections are probably higher than 30k per day
‘cases’ are about 10k per day
KCL covid tracker estimates 20k ‘symptomatic cases per day’
total probably 100k per day given that 80% are asymptomatic
The IFR would be whatever it happens to end up as once everything settles. It’s not based on whatever the numbers happen to be at any particular moment in time and that’s assuming all the data is correct.
What we do know is that the IFR tends to go down over time as more data comes in.
The ONS have carried out random testing for several months.
The government started doing ‘targeted’ testing in February. Positivity rate back then was about 0.2%. It was only when they switched testing to hospitalised-ONLY patients did the rate increase appreciably.
How come there is no “moment in time” where the number of cases indicates widespread community infection.
So you’re suggesting the majority of infection happened in hospitals then.
A lot did in the early days but the increased positivity was mainly due to the fact they were testing a much higher proportion of clearly sick patients.
You are forgetting that the measurement of Covid is fraught with uncertainties. So attribution errors abound. And the PCR test is being driven at high cycles so all you are seeing is noise.
Like from the start, if you can parse the actual data you’ll see that Covid-19 appears to be an acute disease for a very small subset of people
It made me laugh when the MSM were grabbing their petticoats over the fact that Trump went for a drive in his motorcade. I don’t expect his driver and security were 90 year old diabetics recruited from a nursing home!
Sorry – you’ll need to explain your point. I know all about PCR tests & cycle thresholds. I understand the issues involved.
Do we have large numbers of cases or not. If we don’t have high numbers does this mean the IFR is high?
Covid-19 appears to be an acute disease for a very small subset of people
No it doesn’t. It appears to be an infectious disease particularly for people who are in close contact with each other, e.g.
1/ Johnson, Hancock, Ferguson & Whitty.
2/ Trump & his wife & aide
3/ Cruise ships
4/ Close religious sect in South Korea
Mayo, can you lay out what your actual position is, please? To date, your entire purpose seems to be to criticise absolutely any interpretation of data above the line in this blog, but I’ve never seen you actually give an analysis or an express an opinion of any substance beyond an attempted debunking of something someone else has said. Many here, myself included, may be insufficiently critical of an analysis that appears to support our thinking. Fine – granted that everyone has a tendency towards confirmation bias. What, in your opinion, should we be thinking, because I’m jiggered if I have the faintest idea what you think?
Bit of a racy comment that matt. Thumbs up.
In fairness, he doesn’t need a position. Someone who is sceptical of the sceptics is extremely valuable in preventing group think, which doesn’t just happen to other people.
No, the problem with Mayo is that is that he is ignorant of the basics of Science. As in you need to make sure you are measuring the thing you say you are measuring before trying draw associations.
The figures bandied about about cases and IFR are all noise when you realise this.
Richard Pinch comes here and challenges the group think when it comes to data and does it in a constructive (albeit condescending) way and I respect him for it. Mayo comes here and throws peanuts from the gallery without, it seems, actually having a point to make. If all he has to say is “that’s wrong, this is wrong, he’s stupid, she’s stupid” then I suppose he should feel free to say it, although I’d prefer he didn’t bother, but I shall feel free to ignore him.
Here for you in simple terms
High Number of Cases = Low IFR
Low Number of Cases = High IFR
Which is it?
If you don’t measure something properly then you sample noise and any artefacts and behaviours you see are the result of your sampling process and not the intrinsic behaviour of what you sample.
Saying that the disease appears to be infectious for people in close contact has not negated what I said. That Covid-19 appears to be an acute disease for a small subset of people.
The vast majority don’t know they have it, if they have it because attribution is so loose, and the protocols of testing (PCR) have very lax quality controls.
The argument for saying the IFR is 0.1% is actually a summary of the logic that population-wise this is at most the same as the flu. Of which we don’t go into mass panic.
It doesn’t matter if the IFR is 50% for the small amount of people who get Covid-19. The reality is that IFR is only of interest for modellers. The actual metric is:
How Many People Will Die If We All Get It?
And currently that looks to be no more than other respiratory conditions each year. Then add in that the deaths we have seen have high uncertainty in the cause due to the premise of how they are attributed. That the “gold standard” test of PCR is nothing like this.
And you have a magical mix of horseshit that any 1st year Physics student would spot a mile off.
But apparently you can’t
Cases? No we dont have a large number of cases. We might have a “large” number of tests that showed a “positive” result and a vastly larger number of tests carried out.
Has the proportion of “positives” gone up? we dont know.
How many “positives” are actual positives? We dont know
How many “positives” have symptoms? we dont know.
How many “positives” are sick. We dont know
Thousands of students are being tested. A large number are “positive” . none are ill, none have died (well not from covid…. but some from suicide/drugs)
After 6 months testing is still a farce and the statistics are still meaningless because only half the data is available
Right – so we don’t know how many cases there are or have been. So tell me this
How do we know what the IFR is?
“1/ IFR is low – around 0.1%
2/ The UK is close to herd immunity.
These are inconsistent with a position which claims that TRUE case numbers are low.”
Seems pretty easy to generate consistent scenarios to cover those postulates, if herd immunity is achieved at much lower levels than assumed by the panickers (and there seems reason to believe that is the case), and if you assume that the herd immunity threshold rises somewhat with the season (as you’d expect for a common cold-type virus). .
Ha – that ‘if’ word. And what is the evidence for this much lower herd immunity? When over 5k members of a religious sect in South Korea contracted the virus was that because none of them just happened to belong to this wide subset of the population who were naturally immune?
Johnson, Hancock, Whitty & Ferguson. None of them belonged to the fortunate majority.
Trump nor his wife – nor his Aide – nor his Press Secretary nor several other members of WH staff got away with it.
Sorry, the clusters suggest natural immunity, if it exists, is limited to a small proportion.
How many died, Mayo? How many were attributed to Covid-19 that actually have a large degree of uncertainty about them?
It doesn’t matter if every one gets it if it is a nothing burger.
Give it a rest.
All countries (not just UK) have recorded a significant number of Covid deaths.
It doesn’t matter if every one gets it if it is a nothing burger.
So why are you concerned about case numbers.
Could an extremely sensitive PCR test not be positive for someone whose natural immunity despatches the virus without (or with mild) symptoms?
Yes – so what?
”Trump nor his wife – nor his Aide – nor his Press Secretary nor several other members of WH staff got away with it.
Sorry, the clusters suggest natural immunity, if it exists, is limited to a small proportion.”
How many of these ‘cases’ tested positive though their t-cell or other immunity were dealing with c19 and they had little to no symptoms – you seemed to suggest that any who tested positive could not have been naturally immune – other than trump – how many had symptoms, they may all have already been immune
If everyone was equally susceptible then you wouldn’t expect to see clusters but a more even distribution.
Clustering or superspreading events would be expected in a population with some level of immunity within it.
There is a lack of homogeneity due to geographical separation. That’s obvious. In fact that’s the theory behind lockdowns.
Well if you say there’s only one explanation then it must be so.
The Korean cluster was a person who might have transmitted to 5000 memebers of the cult.But almost all of the them were asymptomatic.
And they might have had the infection but mildly because of this possibility
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/143380
Recent endemic coronavirus infection is associated with less severe COVID-19
”Importantly, the patients with a previously detected eCoV had less severe coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19) illness. Our observations suggest that pre-existing immune responses against endemic human coronaviruses can mitigate disease manifestations from SARS-CoV-2 infection.”
Right so are you saying that an asymptomatic case should not be counted as a case?
If so you must agree that the IFR can only be calculated using SYMPTOMATIC cases.
Never said that.IFR is calculated on all infected,whether symptomatic,mild or no symptoms.
“that ‘if’ word.”
“If” is all that is needed to refute your claim of internal inconsistency.
“And what is the evidence for this much lower herd immunity?”
Most plausible explanation so far proposed for why the epidemics have been self limiting in so many countries. Particularly as there are plausible and increasingly supported mechanisms (pre-existing resistance, non-homogenous spreading) to explain it.
Easier to explain a small number of overshoots than believe that ramshackle and hugely varied government efforts at suppression had such widely similar results.
Most plausible explanation so far proposed for why the epidemics have been self limiting in so many countries.
Seasonality is a more than plausible explanation.
But seasonality is at root just herd immunity. The season changes, herd immunity threshold changes to reflect different context/conditions/behaviour (whatever it is), infections rise/fall appropriately.
The UK has a lot of people in it. It is possible for some areas of the country (eg London) to be closer to herd immunity than others (eg the North West) because of the numbers who caught covid in the spring. Which is what we are seeing now – hospitalisations increasing in Liverpool, but not in London.
Yes I know. That’s exactly why talk of ‘peaks’ is misleading. We might just be seeing local ‘peaks’. Sweden may only have had a peak in Stockholm.
Given the population density outside of Stockholm, that could well be the only peak Sweden ever has.
Yep – but we can’t be certain.
That’s not the case in the UK though.
Why worry about cases? Tests?
President Trump back in the White House
Ian Botham in the House of Lords.
It’s all starting to come together…….
Mention of Ian Botham takes me back to the Headingley test match in 1981.
Australian players laying money on England to win at odds of 500-1 after following on. Cue the great man’s 149 not out and a miraculous victory.
Ian Botham is my hero, still brings a tear to my eye when I watch it.
Legends all!
Botham to hit covid quaking for six!
Agree ,they opend the bowling as well and unfortunately wev lost them both , different era real men
My grandson was sent home from kindergarten with a cough last week. Can’t go back till tested. Whole family isolated including my SIL who is in the police (serious crime, so unlikely to be beaten up by him in Trafalgar Square) No symptoms then or since amongst any of them. Tested next day. Nothing. No results three days later. Probably fell off the edge of a spreadsheet. Our lives and livelihoods are in these moron’s hands. How much longer will we be able to resist storming the citadel?
can a preschooler be tested?
Yes, various of my friends have had their little ones tested.
Good question. Not recommended for small children as they can get injured when ‘thing’ stabbed into their noses
I don’t use TripAdvisor, but if I saw that review I would take is as a ringing endorsement. At such a shop I might be treated like a human being, get a ‘good morning’, maybe even a smile!
I wish we had a cafe around here with a review like ‘Not COVID safe …’
Sounds like free advertising for you!
Four young people died of drugs…that is the same as the total number of under 19 year olds (with no co-morbidities) who have died with Covid.
I think that’s the important point, rather than trying to link what we don’t know directly to Covid.
Important to keep a sense of the factual if we are to combat the fiction of the official narrative.
Well, in Scotland the dictatorship, this is more than likely going to happen.
It is absolutely outrageous & the best of it is, the majority of the sheeple will just accept it. This time though, there will be no closing of schools, but there will be restrictions on travel etc.
I am seriously considering leaving this earth now, I am a big Sceptic, but, there appears to be no end to this.
It will impact me as my partner stays about 30 minutes away from me & she is worried about me going to her house & her neighbours grassing her in to the police because I am at hers (I have been going to hers regardless of this stupid rule of not visiting any other households) but, the travel restrictions & the loss of liberty is starting to grind me down now.
When are the majority of people going to make a stand on this? It seems that we on here are the minority, people are just going to do what that little dictator sturgeon says.
I cannot go on like this for much longer, I am genuinely suffering now, it seems like this nonsense is never going to end.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-decide-today-whether-22796869
Fuck you Sturgeon, Fuck you Boris. You utter utter scummy cunts.
I am sorry to read this. It might help you to know that if you or your partner live alone, you can claim some extended household bullshit, so that it is ‘legal’ for you to meet her. I am all for telling the police, the neighbours and whoever else to ‘fuck off’, but it might make her feel better to know that you aren’t breaking any law. As to the rest, I feel you. I just wish people would see Stalin for what she is, but Scottish people as a whole lack any sort of vision or insight at all.
Everyone is sick and tired of this. I won’t bother with empty platitudes of encouragement, we are beyond that here.
Despite what people may say in public, I simply cannot accept that there won’t be more questioning of a second lockdown this time around. Especially with much weaker medical data to support it and steadily growing media scepticism. The harder and faster the state pushes, the more precarious their position becomes.
Print out a stack of these posters and hand them out in the town centre. You’ll probably get spat on, but at least you’ll go down fighting.
Can I suggest for the main slogan ‘Get a life / Bin the masks / End the lockdown’
just to broaden it slightly. (Maybe even ‘Trash the masks’)
Oooo, I like. I’m on it.
Do you think this works better?
I dropped the hashtag in favour of a Remembrance-themed call to action.
Switching from Bin to Trash makes the poster more internationally acceptable: good shout.
If people like this version, I’ll post it on my website.
Best one yet
The above is now the official version of the poster.
Can you make stickers and somewhere here to buy them ?
Mabel – best if you put in small print, at the bottom, your website address?
Stickers would be brilliant too.
Too, a method of us purchasing from you? (Two-Six can best explain?)
@James Bertram, @wat tyler: Probably best if we move this over to the Posters and t-shirts topic in the General Discussion section of the forum. I’d like to discuss stickers and stuff propertly, and the sands of time are running out for today’s comments.
Perfect in the run up to 11 November!
This would be a good poster for 11th November. We need to plaster it around the churches, the town. T-shirts would be good.
Also, send a copy to those MPs (like mine) who voted with government last week. The honourable 24 need something different.
Share your pain, absolute tyranny in sturgeonstan, my neighbour is a taxi driver and is averaging 1 job an hour, he has had enough.
I’m seriously considering a leaflet drop, has to be the only way, or as someone mentioned co-ordinated small team demonstrations handing out leaflets.
Stay with us, defy the buggers, keep strong, never lose hope.We need you!
I really feel for you, I think Sturgeon is the worst of them all and Scotland most draconian.
I don’t think people are going to be as accepting as in March. More importantly, neither are the Press.
Week ending 25 Sept figures are out:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending25september2020
And CEBM are tracking “cases” here (updated yesterday I believe):
Tracking UK Covid-19 cases
all cause mortality normal
deaths ‘from’ covid miniscule and far below colds
All-cause mortality is tracking completely in line with previous years. The false uptick from the bank holiday has flattened (the ‘new exponential’) has flattened – as expected.
Ooooo – it must be the lock-up and masks keeping it under control!
… and in terms of the last quarter century, is close to the minimum level!
Toby, you say you’ve had your reservations about Trump in the past. I have been following Trump’s progress since his campaign in 2015. I’ve never had any doubts that here was a great leader, infinitely preferable to the corrupt Dems, and have no doubts now that Trump is the anchor of freedom in the West. Show me any western leader to match him, least of all our own. I’ve unsubscribed from the feeble Spectator, so I won’t be able to read your forthcoming pro-Trump piece.
I’ve also never had any doubt from the beginning that the reaction to Covid-19 was a hoax. Your efforts on this have been heroic and appreciated.
Trump a ‘great leader’.
At least I had one good laugh this morning as the serial bankrupt and crap businessman received that accolade!
But he hasn’t started any new wars – unlike Obama and HRC.
Very effective handling of North Korea – unlike other appeaser presidents.
Trump has the backing of 80 million Americans and will win a landslide second election. You might not like that but in a poll of what counts as a good leader getting all them people to support you is pretty good. Off course you’re a lefty and have very little understanding of life and instead choose to live inside a lefty utopian bubble where we can all live like kings if only we do as you say never once stoping to ask yourself what would give you the right to think for one fucking second a twat like you should have any say over what i do, in any way, shape, form whatsoever.
You don’t know but each and every post by a lefty like you makes a Butterfly live a day longer.
“Trump has the backing of 80 million Americans”
A bit like the popularity of foetid masks,.
He is a documented spoiled over-privileged baby idiot. Stopped clocks get things right by accident.
Now do Biden
That leaves about 170 million adult Americans who don’t back him. Have fun downvoting an American for pointing that out.
Biker, you may not wander back this far in the comments, but there are 250 million adult Americans, so 80 million is peanuts. But it’s that old undemocratic institution, the Electoral College, that actually decides who becomes President of the United States. Except when the Supreme Court does, as in 2000.
If he were a great leader he would be able to persuade people who don’t like him to change sides and follow him. Ronald Reagan did that. Tony Blair did that. They are great leaders. Trump is too disordered in his character to bring order to his country, so I can’t support him.
But he is correct about Covid. His instincts have been correct right from the start.
Tony Blair?? as the saying goes you can fool some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time etc… eventually everyone realised what a lying b’stard he was. A great leader? dont make me laugh
Unfortunately, you have fallen into the trap of believing that ‘actors’ and those schooled in spin and PR make great leaders. This is a modern phenomenon probably started with JFK.
‘Great leaders’ are (or certainly should be) judged by their actions and not their performance before the media. Your ‘great leader’ (Blair) is a war criminal and a mass murderer.
Your criteria for judging ‘leadership’ needs a serious re think.
Even his signature success – the NI peace process – was Blair turning up at the last minute and claiming credit for all of the years of work that had been done beforehand. In fact, if Major had not been reliant on Ulster Unionist support in the final period of his government, it is possible that what became known as the Good Friday Agreement could have occurred on his watch.
There is only one criteria for being a great leader, and that is if people follow. Blair persuaded the electorate to vote for a Labour government in 1997, and then twice more. In fact he is the only Labour leader to have won a majority at a general election in my lifetime, and I am not young any more. Furthermore, when he wanted to go to war he lead his party, and the opposition, into following him. I make no judgement as to his morality, his effectiveness or his achievements, as they are irrelevant to leadership. That fact is that where he lead, people followed. Where Trump leads, they do not. So Blair is a great leader and Trump is not, even though Trump is correct about more things than Blair.
That’s one way of defining “great leader”, but it does have the drawback that it would include the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Mao, Napoleon, who were all enthusiastically followed while they were winning.
But I’m not sure you can even honestly say what you say about Trump. He won election with the votes of 63 million Americans, many of whom he won over from being quite opposed to his candidacy, in the teeth of the massive anti-conservative mainstream and social media machine. It remains to be seen if he can win again, and if he does it will be a genuinely great achievement.
For sure he’s a “divisive figure”, but that’s mostly because he’s a conservative (of sorts) and therefore irredeemably hated by the media consensus.
I’m ambivalent about Trump personally, but the jury is still out on greatness, by your own definition.
And his opponent got 65 million votes. I understand this is not an American site, but you should know that the Electoral College decides our presidential elections, not the popular vote.
I understand that perfectly, having followed US politics closely for decades. And I also understand that it’s irrelevant. The same thing can happen in any constituency based system, including our own.
If you lead people to disaster, you are not a great leader.
Blair was a disaster, and now has joined the evil elite.
Trump is simply less of a threat to the world compared to the Dems (never thought I would say that..).
The response from my family to the ‘not covid safe’ review,was.’that sounds perfect,when can we go’ !.
New Plan B webinars. They’re a group from NZ.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7mXnWFHi_hdnOIhTIPxBtw/videos
Unlike Bartleby, I can’t feel any real sense of a turning tide.
The big distraction of Trump heads this update. We have a big enough two-headed mess in UK politics without spending too much time comtemplating the trans-Atlantic double-header of electoral ordure, even if there are some parallels.
Then there’s the syndrome of ‘be grateful for small mercies’:
““there’s a possibility that a sufficient number of Conservative MPs, as well as the Parliamentary Labour Party, will vote against the renewal of the 10pm curfew”
Well – big deal! So there might be a muster of MPs to overturn one totally ridiculous, but minor measure – as a token to show that the children are still awake.
But probably not the equally invasive and stupid ‘rule of six’.
The basic framework stays in place, with the major issue of the moment – PCR testing – staying in place as a raddled justification for policy.
Yes – I know – I may be pessimistic, but seeing last week’s vote and reading John Ashworth’s retelling of fables in the Commons yesterday, how could I not be at the miniscule level of opposition?
Then, even the generally praiseworthy and welcome initiative of the ‘Great Barrington Declaration’ is compromised by intimating that the infection is serious enough to recommend that the ‘vulnerable’ at home should meet their families ‘outside’ and have grocery deliveries, rather than just making the same sort of risk judgments as they always have done (given, particularly, that other potential respiratory diseases are actually more of a current threat).
This may sound like looking gift horses in the mouth : but I’ve been around politics too long not to know the old ploy of making minor concessions in order to make the fundamentally egregious acceptable.
The Overton window has shifted further than ever in 2020, driven in the UK by the demons at the Behavioural Insights Team.
I am not ashamed to be a complete outcast, and accept that in all probability this will be my social status for the rest of my life. Which may not be long at the current rate our so-called society is descending.
I think you are overly pessimistic here, though in truth it’s hard to criticise anybody for that at the moment.
On the specific points you raise, I’d say that parliamentary resistance takes time to build, and we were unlucky in this nonsense arising at the very beginning of a new government that had just won a solid majority. For that to have dissolved into the level of grumbling it already has, in less than a year, with no meaningful pressure from the supposed opposition, is actually pretty remarkable. It has further to go, for sure, but at least there is clear movement in the right direction.
Second, regarding the Great Barrington declaration, I think you are being overly critical. The key to this aspect of the declaration is in the final paragraph, wherein it clearly states that shielding of the vulnerable is to be voluntary:
“Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.”
I’m sure we would all like to tighten up the wording in various areas, but imo it’s as good as we are likely to get and still have a chance at mainstream tolerance. No mention of masks is a major bonus, for me.
I think this initiative is vitally important, and our best hope yet for breaking through to the mainstream. Those putting it forward are as close to bulletproof as it is possible to be, in this time of intolerance of dissent – eminent experts in relevant fields, at top institutions (Oxford, Stanford, Harvard), and broadly lefties (Gupta and Kulldorff for certain, don’t know about Bhattacharya), so they cannot be written off as “uncaring right wingers”, as our mainstream and social media have been wont to do.
On the ‘Declaration’ :
“ it clearly states that shielding of the vulnerable is to be voluntary:”
I wasn’t suggesting that they were recommending compulsion – only that in this recommendation they are falling into the trap of reinforcing the ‘unprecedented’ narrative.
Yes, but in this I feel you are indeed being over critical. “Looking a gift horse in the mouth”, as you yourself put it.
He is risen.
Of course he is risen! There was never any doubt about it. I’ve never been one to crow but my post of two days ago was spot on:
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/03/latest-news-152/#comment-165589
Trump has played his cards well and is now positioned to appeal to the very many millions who see through this whole Covid scamdemic. With Scot Atlas by his side and his *full recovery* he is in a position to wipe the floor with Biden and to inject some common sense into the world.
I never thought I would say this a year ago but I now see Donald Trump as the spear point of restoring freedom to a world endangered by vested interests/ Fascism/costly and dangerous vaccinations and those who would subjugate the world to their unholy ambitions
Simply put if the election is about how to deal with the virus, people are being given a choice between being told how to live in every aspect of their lives (Biden) or to have more responsibility in how they choose to conduct their lives with limited controls (Trump).
I’m not a Trump supporter but on the fundamental issues of how the world has approached this pandemic my thoughts are more aligned with him on this. I see people in power deciding that it’s ok for everyone to suffer and for some to even die because they believe their cause is just.
This to me is a far greater danger to humanity than any virus.
As an American voter, I have to agree with you. I’m sitting out the election this year. Can’t vote for Biden. Not about to vote for Trump.
Ladies and gentlemen,
We are through the looking glass, out the other side and looping around for a second pass.
/boggle
Is that the Real Donald Tusk?
This really is bizzarro world now.
He is referring to Donald Trump in that remark.
Look at his Twitter
Ah, I see. I try and avoid twitter.
Did I just hear that mariana BBC Disinformation Unit spring have a little hissy outburst?
Busy day in the home study for some.
Could have described any EU official with that tweet.
A fake Pole spreading fake news.
“Cynical powerful people spreading lies”
And one of the very first people I’d drop right into that category is Donald Tusk. He’s an arsehole of the first water.
Something doesn’t add up. Trump is constantly being accused of not doing enough and now he’s dominating people’s lives?
Richie Allen Show last nights media analysis – focuses on Ireland’s lockdown for the first few moments, then goes into a longer look at krankies alarmism yesterday and the ‘cabinet’ meeting this morning – Scotlands looming house arrest.
Then follows a BBC 1 knockout punch delivered yesterday morning by a scientist in a live interview talks out about the ineffectiveness of PCR testing, or in other words the fraud of the thing. Good listening.
They rest of the monolgue is an unknown mystery to me…
Click the link, it’s radio, listen while you work – https://youtu.be/YI673IEPbxU
Just got back from the surgery after having some blood taken for tests. Got talking to the phlebotomist about the current madness. She told me that it’s no longer about a virus – it’s about control! (and masks are useless).
Encouraging coming from within the NHS, but would she be willing to give a sworn statement to this effect I wonder? Or has she been cowed into silence by the NHS bureaucrats?
That’s one undeceived, at least.
Another day, yet another BBC scare-mongering article on the horrors of Long Covid. I think they have to have at least one per week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54296223
I am seeing more and more such articles. My theory is that because deaths are still flat-lining, the media now has to dream up something else to whip up panic about, so they are making a bigger deal about this long covid silliness.
Yep. Also no context. It happens with other viral infections, just not in large enough numbers to talk about. But if you shine a spotlight on it…
Yes, they are getting desperate. They had this yesterday (with the obligatory photo of an attractive young woman):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54419342
So we are supposed to lock down the whole world because some people have a (probably temporary) loss of smell/taste ?!
Anyone who mentions long Covid in a lockdown debate should be ht with “not an argument for Lockdown, end of”. Its not even in the realms of what is important in this debate
Apparently a hospital in Surrey has been put into lockdown because of the “killer” virus. What are the Nightingale hospitals for?
Everyone should know by now some undisputed facts about the PCR tests and come to following conclusions:
-the virus has not been isolated correctly.
-the PCR method has not been invented for diagnostic purposes but for replication.
-a PCR test does not tell one that the tested person is sick.
-false positive test results could make up all or the vast majority of the positive test results during periods of low prevalence, like now.
-the tests are neither standardized nor certified. Their sale and application would in any other situation be highly illegal. Comparisons, particularly internationally, are therefore alone basically impossible, wrong and irrelevant.
-most tests and labs only search for and replicate only one DNA fragment of the virus, instead of for 2 or 3 as would be appropriate. Simplified, that’s why e.g. butchers show up as positive.
-most tests omit the necessary confirmation phase after the search phase.
-most importantly, there must be just one fixed number of permitted ct cycles for any test (not a maxum.or a a range) to render them at least halfway correct, useable and comparable at all.
As long as that number is not determined and mandated, papayas can and will shop up as positives, and they are basically just a, very successful and expensive, fraud.
Yesterday, as is my usual habit when not out, I watched a bit of Bargain Hunt on TV whilst having lunch. It was obvious that the episode shown had been filmed recently, as the participants were leaping out of each others way whilst attempting to look at potential purchases from a distance. But what really pissed me off was seeing the actual auction without the participants who watched it remotely because of “restrictions”, those attending the auction were only shown from behind, because they were all muzzled! Obviously not a good look for a popular TV show to promote. Interesting that the auctioneer didn’t wear a muzzle. The whole thing just looked a bit artificial and joyless.
“The whole thing just looked a bit artificial and joyless.”
Exactly like our whole society at present. I need to stop using the word “society” actually, because this is the one thing it is not.
”The whole thing just looked a bit artificial and joyless.”
This is the whole society right now..
Total mind-fuckery. The BBC are evil.
I started to watch a live classical concert performance on TV a short while ago, but turned it off very quickly as it not only looked but sounded odd, with all the performers, including some singers, all separated from each other like mannequin dummies in a shop window.
Apart from not looking normal in any respect – their was no audience either – it didn’t sound quite right to me; the violin section was spread across nearly half the stage, so the sound was not exactly ‘balanced’ to my ear, but maybe that’s just me!
What was even more appalling was watching a delayed Summer Concert broadcast live from Vienna, by the Vienna Philharmonic on BBC4 at the weekend, which looked pretty normal, although we were informed – I don’t know why we needed to know – that the numbers had been restricted this year.
The most annoying and upsetting thing was that in trying to enjoy some light-heated classical music in what looked like pretty normal surroundings – which allowed you to forget for a while that the chances of you ever going to Vienna to hear it in person were diminishing by the day! – was the frequent references by the commentator about mask wearing rules for the audience!
Then zooming in on mask wearers, of which there were very, very, few, regardless of the ‘advice’ they had been given. The BBC just couldn’t let the bloody death porn alone even during a live classical concert from another country.
They absolutely spoilt the broadcast which, I had stumbled across and was rather enjoying until the shrill reminders about wearing masks, outside, at an open air concert, in another country. It’s now all I remember of the the concert, not the music. I was going to complain, but as it would have been an exercise in futility, I didn’t bother.
Will stick to watching old movies on Talking Pictures TV instead; they show some really good gems from the past – worth a look if you like films from the 1940s to the 70s, together with some other intriguing items as well.
So what i find weird is watching some rugby yesterday, no masks, nor are footballers wearing masks. So if that’s all okay, what on earth is the point of making concert goers wear masks? Especially when outside. And i have been fortunate enough to go to the Schoenbrunn, i hope you get a chance to go one day. Keep the faith!
Thank you, I will!
Below an abridged modified version of my FOI request to DHSC sent yesterday that this morning I sent to the 5 local councils in my area:
So basically as admitted by the DHSC answer Reference FOI-1240596 you are using tests that are “unreliable” to say the least, have no reference standard to double check the accuracy against and that have results that means nothing medically.
PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.
My questions are:
1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?
2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?
3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?
4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?
5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?
6 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance (not the legislation but the supporting documentation) that DHSC has supplied to local Councils that justify local lockdowns, business closures and isolation of segments of the population based on an unreliable test that does not mean the person is infected with anything, that has high false positive rates and no independent verification the results are correct?
7 – please supply the official document(s) and guidance that DHSC has supplied to local Councils that allow the PCR tests to be used as a diagnostic tool/test that is outwith it’s intended use by it’s inventors.
Will post any answers when they get round to giving me one.
This is excellent
Regarding the instruction/request by some schools for parents to wear masks when dropping off and picking up their chidren from school. This has been discussed on here a few times (most recently I think by Country Mumkin a few days ago).
I wrote to UsForThem about this, and they replied that ‘this is a worrying trend and we’re seeing it in a number of schools around the country’. They confirmed that there is no legal basis for this requirement, which is thus only a request, and enclosed the Public Health England briefing to headmasters answering the following question:
Due to [sic] a lack of adherence to repeated requests for people to keep their distance whilst dropping off and picking up their children, we have asked adults to wear masks on school property. Would we be within our rights to refuse admission to the playground if someone refuses to wear a mask?
PHE answer (my emphasis):
The government has set out some venues where face coverings are required by law, such as on public transport. School guidance states that head teachers have the right to request visitors wear face coverings when in indoor areas such as corridors where social distancing is more difficult. Government guidance also states that some people are exempt from wearing face coverings, such as those who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability.
Thus, although you may wish to encourage people to wear face coverings whilst in the school playground, it cannot be legally enforced. In addition we recommend that schools continue to promote social distancing amongst parents at drop off/pick up times in their communication with parents and also by reviewing the plans they have in place, such as one-way systems at entry/exit points and signage.
So it is clear: there is no legal obligation to wear masks when dropping children off at school, and the headmasters know this.
I hope Country Mumkin sees this post, and anyone else who is concerned.
In my local news recently – not featured prominently but shoved down the bottom of a ‘masks outside school story’ – at least two occasions, attempted abductions of school children just yards from the school gates during the day… thankfully unsuccessful. They’re on the case though; Police have got descriptions of 2 suspects seen in a van: they’re guys with big black masks on their faces.
Masks for parents outside school – what could possibly go wrong!
Whereabouts has that happened? Scary stuff.
Kent news (incidents reported around greater London area)
Thanks – it’s always useful to know where these sorts of things are going on.
No legal requirement for children to wear them in school either except in areas with special measures.
It’s amazing how many of our fellow citizens love the opportunity to boss other people around
50:50!
More like 99:1 here, with me being the 1.
We’re in a village too. I’m sure most people do it because they are asked and feel socially pressurised.
Several of us drop off our little ones at the school, all masked bar me, and then go on to the nursery where they drop off their littler ones, unmasked. The conclusion is obvious.
I’m talking gently with people who I think are receptive. But a side effect of the muzzles is that is makes it much harder to strike up a conversation with someone you don’t already know, and as I’m with all the other new-starter parents I don’t know many of them.
Hard going!
I would regard the first five lines as a recommendation and ignore the last as being from a sourpuss.
Question for sturgeon in the event this lockdown spectre materialises.
A two week lockdown you demand. How many lives will that save?
The calculation must have been done in order for the decision to be made. Unless the motive is not to save lives, which is what my own opinion happens to be.
She is a puppet, all this is planned and smoke and mirrors. As Richie A says covid is a massive fart to hide the smell of other damaging smaller farts…….we are being shit on.
The latest Plandemic documentary has a super-cut of politicians around the world all saying virtually the same thing, almost as if they’ve been given a script to read. But it’s all just bumbling incompetence.
Conspiracy theorist, it’s just about The Virus.
Lol
As much as Chaos chooses to act like a dick (hey Boorishness is as good as any persona) , he’s not wrong on their plans to get rid of your gas boiler and your internal combustion engine. They know we can’t keep reprocessing our atmosphere like we do any more. The plan has already been spelt out in their green agenda. You might have missed it. They say no new ICE’s from 2035 and they mean it. The consumer society is over. Be thankful you’re in Britain because some places on this earth are going back to 17th century levels of Humans. It’s gonna be grim. Not as bad for us but still a massive change gotta come.
It will be fine, we can learn to cook on a candle. It’s not that different from using a slow cooker. Cycling is good for you too!
It’s not like people NEED to go anywhere now either. We can all just live online, we can even run our phones from solar.
If you wander back this way, look up “rocket stoves”. There’s an Irish model called a Kelly kettle. Also seen them called storm kettles. That may be the wave of the future! Cooking with twigs.
If XR gets its way, so will we!
too right.. why do you think they want us to have smart meters? So that when the power cuts are looming (windless winter evenings – no wind no solar, no baseload, bulk storage will never work) they can switch us off remotely
Energy storage. I read about a way of storing energy that sounded like a really good idea. Winding a huge weight up a deep shaft using excess energy then when needed letting the weight fall back down the shaft. A very efficient way of storing energy.
Use Boris as the weight then.
works on grandfather clocks. !
but only very short term.. like batteries now – can be used for balancing, (in the same way they used to switch on dinorwic pump storage when everyone put the kettle on at full time) but to cover off several hours of no wind you’d need a hell of a lot of holes.. (maybe try Blackburn)
If going back to the 17th Century (i.e. living like the Amish) is the worst that will happen, I can live with that. I quite fancy building my own barn. It’s the dystopian hell of 1984 that I want to avoid.
and all those wonderful diseases they had … real diseases ..
Why does the MSM still give that bugger Ferguson a platform? This from The Telegraph live feed (my emphasis):
Paris-style bar and restaurant closure may be needed to keep schools open, warns Prof Neil Ferguson
“Whilst we don’t think primary schools are a major vector of transmission, older teenagers do transmit the virus. We don’t yet know if we can control this virus with high schools open. If we want to keep schools open we have to reduce contacts in other areas of society by more. In other areas we may have to give up more to keep them open,” the Imperial College London epidemiologist told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
Asked if bars and restaurants should be closed entirely, like in Paris, he said: “We see from the contact tracing data that attending bars, restaurants, hospitality venues is a risk. We may need to consider those measures, particularly in hotspot areas where case numbers are increasing fast.
“The death rate has gone down, we know how to treat cases better, hospitals are less stressed and we have new drugs. But admissions to hospitals and deaths are all tracking cases. They’re at a lower level but they’re doubling every two weeks.
“We just cannot have that continue indefinitely. The NHS will be overwhelmed again. If we allow the current trends to continue, modelling indicates there’s that risk.”
He is more than a mere ‘scientist’. He is a political animal in every sense, and as such, he is no more than a lobbyist for other(s) interests.
He’s a political careerist, and possibly a psychopath. I’m not sure you’re correct in saying that he’s a scientist – certainly not in the sense I would use the term.
He’s a theoretical mathematician and yes, a political lobbyist, a self publicist and I also suspect a psychopath. This interview is very nicely timed to illustrate the point I was making yesterday. Regardless of how defensible his original model might be, his actions in deliberately publicising it and continuing to use the numbers to maintain the fear at every opportunity are immoral.
That’s surely a condition of the funding. It’s similar to the matter of all politicians, civil servants, and academics who have had any monies from the EU have to sign a pledge to always promote its underlying interests (four pillars).
No doubt. But furthering your career is the opposite of a justification for immoral actions.
Agree, which is why I put ‘scientist’.
I understand your inverted commas now – read it a different way at first, as in meaning the pristine sense of the word.
Punctuation can mean a lot!
Sorry, my fault. I am a natural scientist by background, and was never too good with grammar! I refer to ‘the science’ and ‘scientist’ when speaking about Ferguson-type modeling and experts such as Devi Sridhar, who is neither a scientist nor a medic.
Nah, it was my fault for not reading correctly enough. Your ‘scare quotes’ are quite right – picks the word up and hangs it there for all to examine.
So much of ‘science’ is now corrupt and useless.
I did engineering-science at Uni, so haven’t done any schooled grammar since secondary school. And my spelling was better than I was about 9 than it is now.
Still holding you to the Ides of October for the economic collapse!
Without flippancy I wonder if tgHre is an unusual/atypical lifestyle followed. A value system seems missing.
We know Eric Gill was deviant.
I feel something may reach across certain institutions to bind these people together. It’s more than a common derangement imo.
I’m not a psychiatrist and can’t define it, but an inner sense tells me there is something very wrong about him.
Very much Billy’s top boy. Bought and paid for
Hence why he keeps getting the BBC mics.
When was the NHS overwhelmed?
Whitty told us this much before the schools reopened that we couldn’t have both.
This is a script that is being followed worldwide.
Cue the circuit breaker lockdown just to destroy any business that has managed to survive up yo now
The powers that shouldn’t be are laughing at us by wheeling out this prick to torture us even more. It’s probably an inside joke. I bet they cannot believe the level of retardation in the population that people are still swallowing this garbage.
They should go all the way and have Johnson announce the next round of restrictions live from a mass orgy at an Eyes Wide Shut party. People would still follow every order.
Imagine what kind of wife fucks such a freak?
“The NHS will be overwhelmed again. If we allow the current trends to continue, modelling indicates there’s that risk.”
What a load of shite. Either a liar or amazingly incompetent. All-cause mortality is currently at at near the lowest level in 27 years (the past decade has been one of generally low mortality).
As you say, the NHS was spectacularly underemployed – not ‘overwhelmed’. Which was excusable at the start when measures were put in place. Now – it’s outrageous.
If the present trend continues (which it won’t), crap modelling tells me that we will soon be at an all-time low of mortality. That prediction is known as a ‘Witless and Unbalanced’ chart..
Faker Ferguson needs a mask – tightly bound over his gob.
That guy has some serious cognitive dissonance going on. Do you think he’s ever had any doubt of his own ability, ever?
I’ve always thought that it’s an irrelevance quibbling over the accuracy of Ferguson’s models, because he broke rules to which his own work heavily contributed. Either he didn’t believe the danger himself, or he didn’t care.
Ferguson’s Wikipedia entry claims he’s an epidemiologist. However, the only source to back this claim up is a dubious website with a photo-less image place holder and a line of text saying he’s an epidemiologist.
Er …lots of freaks in world literature then…
But none so utterly odious as Psntsdown
So overwhelmed, nurses had time to film well-rehearsed dance videos.
The comeback from lockdown zealots is that there was a big shortage of ICU nurses at the height of the crisis, other nurses had to be drafted in instead, hence they could’t deal with other patients, hence lots of wards had to close. It’s claimed that 6 nurses were necessary per one ICU patient. Does anyone know if this story has been debunked?
What does he mean ‘again’?
Probably already on here, but latest ONS stats…215 with covid deaths….18 under the age of 60. 9634 total deaths in England and Wales, so about 2%. 5 year average 9377 so within spitting distance of normal.
Well worth ruining 60 million peoples live for.
My thoughts exactly. It’s like being in the worst Hollywood Dystopian B movie.
Have sent the declaration https://gbdeclaration.org/ to my own MP (hopeless), Sir Desmond Swayne, Rishi Sunak, and Nigel Farage.
This is the German/American lawyer who is one of the team putting forward a class action against the perpetrators of this scamdemic. Goes into forensic detail. Worth a watch and forward if you haven’t seen it already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UQLqWJJ8AY&list=WL&index=60&t=618s
Being brought up here constantly, it will come to nothing apart from money for lawyers and their acolytes.
Why build bike lanes in a pandemic?
For me, contemplating that question ought to get many many people connecting the dots that something is properly amiss.
Installing them during the crazy freak out has only served to make this entire pandemic fraud feel like it is something special. Literally street theatre to alter perceptions.
I hope they are weather proof
Bumbling incompetence on a global scale, coincidentally coordinated. Nothing to see here.
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/johan-carlson-restriktionerna-kommer-ligga-kvar-ett-ar
This has been referred to yesterday about Sweden’s decision to have SD for at least a year. This is the whole interview with Johan Carlsson ,the Chief of the Public Health agency. It is more nuanced than reported and definitely not introducing lockdowns or masks. But they are going to keep the mild SD for a long time but at least he admits that the population is tired. Giving some quotes
“People are getting tired after so many months but contrary to other European countries we don’t see that anger and aggression as in Europe”
“It can become necessary with local restrictions if we have a big outbreak in a town or a village. It could be necessary to reduce the collective traffic or restrictions of attendance in shops apart from food purchases”
They will now allow visits to care homes and there is a suggestion from the Agency of raising to 500 the attendance which would save a devastated cinema, theatre etc but I think the government will have a last say on that decision.
“The important thing is to keep distance, avoid crowded spaces, stay at home even with mild symptoms and if you can work from home, continue doing that. These restrictions must continue at least a year”
And the final
“Those restrictions now used in Europe are not sustainable. We are trying to have a steady state of restrictions which keeps the transmission down but we are not going to eradicate it but keep it on an acceptable level”
Sweden missed the chance to scrap totally the SD in June at the end of the pandemic and then let it run through the young population whilst sheltering the elderly, and they would have reached herd immunity now. But compared to what is happening in Europe at least better.
Boris’s windfarms – I thought relying on wind/solar power for ‘baseload’ is impractical because of the lack of pumped storage potential (not enough mountains). But now normally sensible Denmark seem to think they can do it. Even flatter and just as cloudy as us. Can anyone explain how?
Denmark has a lot of Combined Heat and Power (CHP) plants that act as one form of backup. They import hydro power from Norway, and lignite from Germany. Then, when they have excess wind, which is often, they dump it into the North German power grid. This means German coal/lignite fired power stations that have been ramping up to full power for 4 hours then have to back down, but stay hot, just in case the Danish wind drops. This wastes huge amount of heat, and of course, emits a lot of CO2. That’s how Denmark makes wind work in its tiny economy. (from Mr TT)
Also the Danes sell their excess energy below or at cost to Norway who then charge them a high premium to use their hydro when generation is low in Denmark. Works great for Norway
rome wasn’t built in a day
maybe, one day, excess wind energy will be stored for when the demand exceeds supply…
I thought turning excess windy lecky into h2 then using scaled up h2 fuel cells where demand requires, but I’m sure there is much better thinking out there…
I always point out about the space industry when people talk about solar. They have good batteries on spacecraft too. Yet point the wrong way for an hour and you lose your spacecraft.
And that’s in almost perfect illumination environment for orbits such as sun-synchronous or GEO.
Solar is an idealists dream
I’m not keen on solar in uk – its dark all winter – places like spain though
some friends have a holiday home up on one of the western isles – they say getting out the door is an effort due to the strong winds
iceland has constant thermal activity that can be used to generate power, just need a long cable
Some interesting further reading… all we can do is try to educate ourselves. Which is more than the politicians seem to do.
Staying on topic, I do wonder if power related “lockdowns” are the future.
“I don’t charge my car to protect the NHS’s power supply” “I turn off my heating to protect the local care home’s supply” and so on, with a series of actors dressed up as “ordinary” people…
or energy stored as liquid air…
https://highviewpower.com/news_announcement/world-first-liquid-air-energy-storage-plant/
I cannot believe that the lying fat fuck conned so many millions into voting for him last year. Leave the EU only to be first in the queue for the Great Reset Covid New World Order that will supersede the EU.
Brexit is just a change of branch office I’m afraid.We are destined to rule by unelected technocrats who know what is best for us
… including kneeling subservience to the US.
no – it will be kow-towing to the chinese
True.Ever since we bankrupted ourselves during World war 2.
Hey, but y’all asked for it, didn’t you? Dissing us back in the 1700s. We haven’t forgotten.
Not in the ‘Round-Up’ : John Lee on Track and Trace in the DM –
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8808609/DR-JOHN-LEE-Test-Trace-doesnt-work-local-lockdowns-dont-make-sense.html
Don’t be a conspiracy theorist (rolls eyes) .I have been saying this for months and everybody reacted like that.. Now it’s all over the MSM and the sheeple are still blind. My wife this morning actually said sorry to me about not believing me and thinking I’m overreacting. She works in the local government and the fact that she is now woken up gives me a very slim glimmer of hope.
Three cheers for your wife!
Some subtle changes are taking place at Asda. There is now a notice stuck to the original notice about mask wearing, saying that exemptions apply. Originally, they made an announcement on the tannoy regarding exemptions but probably no-one listened to it.
Since last week when all the staff were forced to wear masks, those who can’t are now wearing badges to say so. I had a friendly chat with one of the order pickers today and told her that I was pleased to see Asda had taken these steps. I said that my ex d-i-l had tested negative for Covid but was in hospital with bacterial pneumonia. l was of the opinion that this could only have come about as a result of wearing a mask. She has been working at home throughout all of this but had to attend a meeting last week where she would have had to have worn a mask for several hours.
The Asda worker agreed with me as her husband, a delivery driver, has a skin infection on his face as he too has to wear a mask whilst working.
I had a similar conversation yesterday with the security guard on the door. He knows that there have been no risk assessments done by ASDA on mask wearing.
Hopefully, next year, instead of the “Have you been mis-sold PPI?”, or “Have you been involved in an accident that wasn’t your fault?”, we will be listening to lawyers asking “Has your health been damaged by lockdown or mask wearing?”
About time, Asda are just a little less evil. Their evil dial is now set on 10, not 11.
Could it be because ASDA are no longer part of Walmart?
Possible as well that the threat of boycott and negative publicity surrounding several branches and their treatment of customers with exemptions has forced Asda into an embarrassing U turn. There was one I recall which made it to the BBC when their staff harassed a man with dementia because he wasn’t wearing a mask.
Received an email reply the other day from my MP (Labour) to which I had written prior to the vote on renewal of emergency powers act last week.
Ran into well over a page(!) some of it entirely predictable, lots of faff about how desperately we need this testing, some of the accuracy questionable: ‘the only way to control the virus is to control testing?’ hmmmm. Apparently it was “with a heavy heart” Labour did not block the passage of renewal.
However – she did point out their frustration about the overall clarity of the rules how things are being done, and said pointedly “things simply cannot carry on as they are.” and this interesting snippet: “Labour believes that ministers must therefore come back to Parliament not in six months’ time, as set out in Act, but every month to answer for the use of these powers.”
No real answers to any specific questions, eg. – the clarity and suitability of the PCR test, the possibility of basically excluding people from society who don’t submit to health tracking, the long term mental health issues to children and adults alike from lack of social cohesion – I think most here would agree that Labour have been worse than a disappointment throughout the last few months; but at the same time, trying to look on the positive side, I think their blind faith in the Government is wavering.
It’s more candour than I’ve had out of the slippery Tory shyster round here.
Seen the Unison advert on the internet?
Slogan – “no going back to normal”.
All about the NHS and key workers deserve better – well I’m a key worker in 2 industries and been made redundant and cannot get a job in one had a business collapse in the other so I deserve ebbtetr don’t you think but Government just keeps giving me a kicking hen I’m down.
No wonder iIm getting very bitter, angry and belligerent.
I’ve observed before that a nation in which its small businessmen and entrepreneurs are robbed of the fruits of their hard work, and embittered against the government policies that have done so, is a nation in deep trouble. These are the men and women with the drive, energy and ability to cause a lot of trouble if thwarted.
They are destroying the kulaks so the state can take over.
Thing is, if you are going to destroy such people it’s advisable to make a thorough job of it. Because otherwise they’ll make you regret it.
That’s an interesting shift. The jaunty “We’re all in this together” and “Let’s get back to things we love” has been dropped for a much more aggressive and dispiriting message.
NHS workers do not deserve better, they deserve investigation and if necessary prosecution for their role in the crimes against humanity.
Not all of them. But how many have had the courage to breathe a squeak of protest?
To be fair I think there was a heavy clamp down on any whistle blowing.
That is true and vicious it is to – the gag. However, people are dying – sorry a little greta there – but these NHS staff from the ground up know what PPE is and does. They take an oath – why? – so they can dine out on vol-au-von’s and mingle in cosy wood panelled scoiety chambers. It appears actually that this IS what the oath means to these people. Spineless cowardly weasels.
And yet I absolutely respect the courage it takes to work in care and put your own person in that position of absolute respinsibility for otgers.
They simply need to stand up as humans and each of their own lives will immediately be better, they don’t have the imagination to see or the courage to do.
No doubt, but the law protects whistleblowers in the NHS.
Health workers will be first in the queue for the vaccine, and it will not be optional. No further retribution may be required.
Thread hijack – Hi CM. Last week you were concerned about wearing a mask when dropping you child off at school: I’ve posted further on this below (summary, it cannot be a ‘requirement’).
They are gagged. My daughter is a Nurse. State secrecy is drummed in, or else.
You’ll notice that John Lee is a retired pathologist. Vernon Coleman is a retired GP. The person who questioned the Leicester lockdown on this site works in the Leicester hospitals but felt they had to hide behind a pseudonym. The German doctor who was arrested the other week conicidentally had previoulsy worked in the Emergency Department in Leicester. In GP land there is Malcolm Kendrick and a few others prepared to be sceptical.
Which is all well and good, but who pays for it? We’re deliberately making a massive proportion of the workforce redundant, we’re deliberately reducing commerce and likely going to see a paycuts for a lot of people who will retain their jobs. Increasing taxes will only further exacerbate the problems for a recovery.
There will be emotional blackmail on those who don’t lose their jobs to justify higher taxes on possible lower incomes.
The rhetoric of essential workers (and in reality it’s just the subset who are having to do more during the current ‘crisis’) deserve better in contrast to those who are losing their livelihoods and those who’ve had theirs diminished is just going to increase societal division. Quite obviously, and therefore it’s probably deliberate.
Public Unions should be outlawed.
Questions that should be put to the PM by our useless media but won’t be:
No. 1 Can we assume, now everyone is wearing masks, there won’t be a flu outbreak this winter? If not, why not? Because masks don’t protect against virus transmission?
His response to such a line of thought would be to use any flu outbreak as evidence that people are “not following the rules” and then tighten the grip yet further.
“When violence was your solution and it didn’t work, you didn’t use enough violence.”
Maybe eventually but I think Johnson and Hancock have persuaded themselves that masks are effective and I think they would initially be at a loss to give any answer.
C’mon, keep up with the program, they’re smart masks. The simple act of wearing one makes you much smarter than anyone who doesn’t.
It’s not the masks that are ssmart, it’s SARS-COV-2 that has the intelligence. It knows to avoid masks and only come out at 10PM, unlike it’s less intelligent cousins that cause influenza and other respiratory diseases.
17 mins in Peter Hitchins on talk radio “testing has always been a bizarre fetish”.
https://youtu.be/YI673IEPbxU
And also Ivor Cummins now on Talk Radio interviewed by JHB.
Excellent stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpInci1g1RM&feature=youtu.be
Ivor Cummins is brilliant. A very effective explainer and nicely measured in his delivery. Talk Radio is doing a great job in combatting mass hysteria whereas Sky, BBC and ITV fuel it constantly.
No Dr Vernon Coleman yet though. Vernon is the most direct straight talker. Come on Ian Collins, get Vernon on. We want Vernon!
I just used PayPal to donate to Ivor (again). He really deserves financial support. It’s not like he’s got a radio station or someone paying him for doing all this analysis.
Guardians northern editor in recorded interview Q: How much evidence is there lockdowns are effective? A: Almost none.
Follows on from Hitchens above.
Same as the doctor on a Sunday morning interview who said the PCR tests are useless.
A good demolition job by Hitchens. I particularly agreed with his closing comments that people just ignoring restrictions on the streets isn’t going to cut the mustard – there needs to be a political impulse.
Can this be a reliable test of active infection rates? (Rhetorical)
Sewage analysis shows sharp increase in COVID 19 virus in Stockholm
https://www.kth.se/en/aktuellt/nyheter/avloppsvatten-visar-stor-okning-av-covid-19-i-stockholm-1.1016275
“Can this be a reliable test of active infection rates? “
It’s shit.
(I’ll get my coat…)
This has been a common thing across the globe.
A tragic local story here, which may or may not have some connection. I fear that this could just be the tip of the iceberg that’s hit care homes worldwide..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-essex-54255514
Am I the only one to find today’s headline thoroughly tasteless?
It’s a joke. Is it “tasteless”? Maybe for some, but you’d have to be pretty fanatical to regard it as unacceptably so, surely?
No, you are NOT the only one. I didn’t like it either. Toby (or whoever) please change it.
Yes, a little. And the story itself is one that would be best viewed through a skeptical eye, I’d think.
In what way? It’s funny. Let’s not be “that” kind of place.
I thought it was hilarious – loved it!
What are the rules for staying in a hotel in N Ireland? My aunt and my sister and I had booked a hotel room for three of us for this weekend. As we are from three households, is this allowed? Hotel hasnt rang me to say any different. Also supposed to be meeting 2 others for a meal…..has anyone been able to continue going to a restaurant if there are more than 2 households? How can they enforce it really??
Pretty sure you would be breaking the rules Janice but alas nothing is clear at the moment.
I think if you all wore cardboard boxes on your heads with a net curtain stretched over a mouth sized hole in the box when in contact with your mixed bubbles you would all be fine.
I think new guidance will be issued soon. Stay tuned to RTE for the latest updates!
The main thing is, enjoy your stay-away but Stay Safe!
Think hotels are fine for gatherings, even in local lockdown areas. Check Law or Fiction website.
Another load of environmental cack (emphasis on the mental bit) from the Nazi Johnson. Yet more ways of screwing us for more tax. He is not a conservative, he is a leader in name only. However, better news from the States!
I am watching his speech. It is breathtaking – total and utter bull…. Can’t the rest of his colleagues see he is mentally ill?
Perhaps they can…
“He is not a conservative“
Gee, ya think?
Changed his tune somewhat. Still would like to punch his face but is this zealots beginning to cover their own arses?
Dr Hilary Jones explaining why masks don’t work and could be dangerous for the user! https://twitter.com/kvwatchtay7/status/1313128109932195840?s=21
He is an actor never mind a Dr! When he changed his tune you could tell by his eyes he is lying.
Was that video before he changed his message and said masks were effective?
May well be. My mistake if so. Still cannot stand his smug face regardless.
Yer it was back in about April he said that masks were not effective, he changed his position after the WHO did. I can’t stand his stupid evil orange face and his glow-in-the-dark white teeth either. An utter Muppet.
Quite a few people in the public eye seem to be trying to backpedalling and arsecovering the past few days.
Know their days are numbered?
I think this is old. He’s just rabbiting on about whatever the latest craze is. Dr, I wouldn’t let this fucktard within a million miles of my family.
Doing well today – sneaked 2 sceptic comments onto the Daily Fail’s stories about Scotland’s half-term imprisonment and French bars closing:
Exactly as predicted 2 weeks ago by the leaked paper from Scotland and reported on independent social media, here comes the half-term lockdowns in Scotland – but when this was pointed out to the sheeple we got slagged off. When will the accepting majority wake up? -This one15 to 3 thumbs up
They have worn masks for longer than us in more places than us with stricter enforcement and no legal exemptions than us so why do they still have “cases”? Is it because masks do not work? Same happening everywhere they mandate masks. Facts show they do not work to stop anything and do more harm that good – acne, impetigo, skin problems, meth/mask mouth, pleurisy, pneumonia leading to death to name a few plus spreading bacteria everywhere on your hands as people constantly touch them and do not wash hands afterwards plus psychological problems. Wake up people, it’s about control and compliance, not health or protecting others. – This one 8/3 thumbs up as just posted.
At least the DM is letting anti mask/lockdown comments through. Most other papers bar the DT remove them, that’s if they get through in the first place.
For a few weeks not too long go they would not let em post anything, today it’s going straight on.
Got a few more through – this one typical:
“To all those who claim lockdowns work I’ll ask again – you really believe that? Data shows lockdowns have not worked anywhere – local or national – and the countries with the strictest, longest lockdowns have the worst death numbers. Look at Peru, Argentina, New York and others. Plus a positive test is not a “case”. CMO Whitty on the 21 July 2020 in televised parliamentary committee hearing stated quite clearly and openly the measures in place before 23rd March 2020 had the outbreak under control so the lockdown had no additional effect – never reported on MSM anywhere nor on social media as it is immediately deleted. Why? . You can go to parliamentlivetv and watch it yourself. A positive test means exactly zero medically – I have this in writing in a FOI from the DHSC so it is official and the Government know this. So why do they insist otherwise? Do some research independently then we’ll have a sensible discussion.”
For some reason none of those posting pro-lockdown posts ever reply.
Cheered me up no end to wind up the sheeple and 77th trolls trying to change the course of the comments.
Off to cook chilli paneer and all the trimmings for tea I’m in such a good mood.
Jesus ,the speech Boris is giving is scary as shit. We can’t go back to normal says him, we need to make it better. There is nothing as scary on this earth as the government saying we’re here to make it better.
All three words of the new slogan “Build Back Better” are a lie and the exact opposite of what is being done.
Build = Destroy
Back = Poverty/Enslavement
Better = Worse
They are laughing at us, every day, in every conceivable way.
“[Political language] is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” — George Orwell
Politics and the English Language
”War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” We now live in 1984!
One of my comments a few months back in the Daily Mail:
“A group just came along and demolished my house. It’s ok because they’ve offered to help rebuild it and make me pay for the privilege.”
Haven’t seen the speech was it teeing up the idea of dropping off furlough into the pit but to be saved by the hand of government reaching out to put people into employ building a ‘green’ utopia?
If it was I won’t try to catch the lowlights.
Caught a bit on the radio, you scan your health passport as you jump into an eco powered uber.
Sounds horrific.
If only there was a William Holden to put Alex Guinness (aka Boris Johnson) out of our misery!
We remember what happened when Bliar said “Britain deserves better”…
That was exactly the phrase that made my skin crawl. It looks for all the world like the XR/Green agenda has got to him with all this wind farm nonsense.
My conspiracy is that trying to lock us up like this and establishing a level of compliance we are being assessed as to how far we can be pushed. The end result is that we will be locked up when they have to implement rolling blackouts using smart meters because the wind isn’t blowing.
And wasn’t is President Reagan who said the scariest phrase in the English language is, “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”.
Apologies if you have seen this before: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/grieving-son-told-move-chair-19056395
The wrong people are dying.
Have they changed the rules at funerals? I went to one in July, and the only limitation was on the number of people allowed into the hall. No one stopped people sitting together other than the 18 inside rule.
“at least 2 metres (3 steps) away from others.” My loathing for the bastards who devised, drafted, support and implement this knows no bounds.
What I found so incredible about that clip is that the family complied when the nazi came into the room. Why on earth didn’t they tell him go away? Or words to that effect.
I thought that too. Putting myself in the situationI suppose the last thing you as a caring person want to do is create an unpleasant scene at that moment.
Perhaps the large goon doing the states bidding was knee-capped round the back later. The video shows but a few seconds of compassionate behaviour confronted by tyranny.
So people attending a funeral are now described as “guests” by the council! And WTF!!! why is a funeral being films by a spy camera?
No doubt it was being filmed for track and trace purposes.
Its so that family and friends who arent allowed to go can still ‘attend’ online.
Some are live streamed to allow those who can’t attend can still view the service. I’ve attended 2 in Wales remotely. You are given a username and password to join the livestream as well as the start time you can join. Limited to a specific funeral.
Yes – it should be Bozo, Wancock and the rest of this shambolic government!
Have you guys sent any good emails refuting some of the other side’s points that you’ve willing to share to use as guides?
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/summary-of-the-ons-report-on-deaths-registered-weekly-in-england-and-wales-29nd-september/
Top and bottom graphs. Top one shows the deaths from emptying the hospitals into the care homes. Bottom one shows that 2020 was an ordinary year.
Thank you. It doesn’t look like much at all when it’s broken up like that. That and the treatments have improved now.
Masks for all, everywhere outside – in Italy at least (Telegraph live feed):
Italy confirms mask wearing to be made compulsory outside
The Italian Government has confirmed reports that it will make the wearing of face masks outside compulsory across the country, reports Nick Squires in Rome.
Currently just a few regions, such as Lazio and Campania, have decreed that everyone must wear masks when they are in outdoor public spaces. But that will soon be extended to the whole country, says health minister Roberto Speranza, who is presenting a new anti-virus decree to Parliament.
“There has been a significant leap in the number of cases in two months,” the minister said. “At the moment 3,487 people are in hospital (with Covid-19) and we have 323 in intensive care.
“Today these figures are sustainable for the national health service.
“It is clear that the situation is manageable compared to the most difficult days (of the emergency), when we had 4,000 people in intensive care.
“But the virus is circulating and it continues to put people into a state of great suffering”.
After 6 months of various medical interventions did they provide the evidence to show that a farmer tending his crops needs to wear a mask to save lives?
It will be in the UK soon enough.
Meanwhile WHO and PHE have announced masks don’t work in the rain
I don’t give a flying fuck what those lying, murderous cunts say.
Nor do I l,just pointing out the contradictions in the official narrative
I did shoot the messenger there, not my intention. Anything about extended mask regulations sends me into an apoplectic rage.
I’m just the same. Even though I don’t really have a ‘genuine’ reason not to wear one, the fact that I want to scream out loud and thump someone if I put one on is my excuse and I’m sticking to it!. I keep waiting for it to become mandatoryhere to wear them outside as well. I’m convinced the sheep will follow the rule as I see plenty doing it now.
They don’t work in fine weather either
Ha!
They don’t work.
No qualification needed.
Tell that to the miseries I have seen walking with hoods up masks on, so they look like a soggy grim reaper.
We’ll all be wearing those old Victorian diving suits next.
I will refuse to comply. It’ll be the naughty step for me for the next few months.
It is impossible to police.
But they will just brainwash people into that like the Italians are brainwashed into wearing masks everywhere.
Following the script. Expect the same in Scotland, England and Wales within a few weeks.
These demons will not rest until every human being on the planet is wearing a mask 24/7 and being fucked in the ass by the Great Reset.
Oh FFS!
“A new anti-virus decree.”
Why doesn’t anyone seem to stop, for just one second, and think about how completely insane that notion is?
Psychopaths.
Well that’s scuppered my trip to Venice then.
However, Venice is the one place on the planet where it’s ok to wear masks all the time. Just dress yourself up like it’s Carnival time.
Oh no, I can see Hancock already rubbing his little hands together in glee, as he sees this as an opportunity to impose more misery on the guise of we are watching our friends in Europe and we are just 2 weeks behind Italy.
The Italian politicians are just following France and Spain. Both those countries early introduced masks after the first wave. First it was compulsory when visiting shops and indoors. The cases started climbing and then they switched to compulsory out door and cases still rising. But France and Spain in panic are now introducing closure of bars and restrictions localized but really not a true lockdown. More annoying, meaningless theatre for the public. And mask falls into that category of actions.
Italy has seen an increase in cases and but has been lower than in Franc and Spain mainly because they have been a bit smarter until now not including asymptomatic cases I think. They have so far resisted earlier closure times for bars etc but has now fallen for compulsory masks outside. So they still have bar closures as a card in the sleeve for the next theatre action. The cases will naturally climb now as Italy has not yet reached herd immunity especially in the South. First lockdown just postponed the reckoning and now they have no clue what to do except blaming the citizens and punish them all with face nappies.
I was in South Italy at the end of September. Already many people were wearing masks outside.
It is so depressing to see masks everywhere.
But my husband and I never wore masks anywhere and nobody said anything. But we stayed in small hotels and went to mostly outdoor restaurants.
In a hotel in Sorrento we were the only guests.
I just don’t get this -what scientific evidence is there? There can’t be any for being in the middle of a field with the nearest human yards away.
Can all of you people just stop being so outraged by this clear stupidity!! There is no scientific evidence , there does not need to be any, have you not grasped this fact in the last 6 moths !! They wear mask because they are TOLD TO DO SO!! For 99% of the people that is all they need ! The people who are awake to this madness have been for months, for the rest there is no hope.
I saw a video yday of a farmer reporting that a colleague had been told he cannot attend to his cattle as he is supposed to isolate in his house.
Bavarian officials have gone totally wuhu.
Well that decides me – I shan’t be plodding the Via Francigena this year.
And the mortality figures are so low in Italy! What is it these governments are expecting to happen if they don’t apply restrictions?
“So the dopes in gov telling musicians and people in arts to retrain and get another job what and become massive cunts like you nah yer alright c’mon you know “
https://twitter.com/liamgallagher/status/1313437016646967299
It’s amazing how often I hear people saying just get a new job or the fittest businesses will survive.
That may be a somewhat reasonable point sometimes. It’s not when the government arbitrarily decides to shut down enitre, viable, industries.
Just sent the following email to my MP regarding the vote to end the 10pm Curfew citing how this has had a detrimental effect on a local hostelry in a quiet, rural village. I’m not hopeful as she tends to toe the party line, but you never know.
Thank you for replying to my earlier letters. I appreciate the sympathy you have with some, if not all, of my points.
However my reason for writing today is to ask you to vote to throw out the 10.00pm Curfew rule for pubs and restaurants in the Commons vote on Wednesday evening.
This is one of the most arbitary and senseless rules in the whole sorry saga and is having huge repercussions within the hospitality industry and impacting on people’s social lives even futher.
I would like to cite one example in your own constituency. xxxxxxxxx You may know it. It is an extemely popular, award winning pub and restaurant. It’s success is purely down to the hard work and dedication of the owners over many years. They spent time and money preparing their establishment to re-open in line with Government guidelines and since re-opening have been almost fully booked. They re-arranged tables throughout the pub, utilising areas more often used for special events, and were able to offer two sittings per evening.
Gradually they started to make headway then the 10.00pm curfew arrived. This effectively put paid to two sittings as they would have to start service at 5.30 and few people want to eat at that time. It would also not be worth paying staff to come in earlier. In addition the rule denies diners the chance to leisurely end their evening with another drink or two, coffee, liquers etc. In a stroke this arbitary rule has reduced trade by at least a third.
The pub is also losing trade from its late evening drinkers, particularly at weekends. Those who tend to go out for a drink after the dining rush has abated do not wish to finish their evening at 10.00pm. In fact the curfew, together with the tighter rules around table service and masks, have made the whole idea of going to the pub for a drink very unappealing. I can see no evidence that this measure is necessary or effective. In fact what evidence there is seems to show that virus transmission in pubs is only around 3%, significantly lower than the rate in other indoor places including the home.
If you plan to vote to repeal this measure then I thank you. If however you intend to vote to continue it, I would be grateful if you could send me a link to the actual evidence that has persuaded you.
I’ve done exactly the same thing and got this rather disappointing reply.
Thank you for contacting me about these two issues; I always appreciate hearing the views of the Wrexham constituency and hearing such views really does inform my own Parliamentary work.
I am aware of both votes and I will be looking at all the evidence in order to decide on which way I shall vote. I understand the strength of feeling among some sections of MPs on both of these issues; indeed, I have spoken personally with a number of these MPs and I can certainly appreciate their point of view.
In relation to the 10pm curfew, the closing time is part of a package of measures that aim to strike a balance between what is reasonable and proportionate to slow the spread of the virus and taking into account usual human behaviour. There is strong evidence that social mixing encourages the spread of the virus and we know that if left unchecked, this will lead to a greater level of hospitalisation and tragically a greater level of deaths.
Furthermore, the ‘rule of six’ was also part of the package of measures that was put into place on the advice of scientific and medical experts. I do appreciate the frustration in some quarters about the ‘rule of six’ and its efficacy and I am looking forward to receiving more information from the Government about how well the measure has worked, once a suitable amount of time has passed to allow conclusions to be made.
Once again, thank you for contacting me about this.
Yours,
Sarah Atherton MP
Member of Parliament for Wrexham
Ye gods, I hate these sh*ts – my MP is just he same. I keep remembering that school-year’s ditty, “Build a bonfire, build a bonfire ….. “.
You’re in a military dictatorship then… rule by the 77th Brigade.
Do what part of only 3 or 4% of cases have been attributed to pubs and the like, does she not understand. She remarks on ‘the frustration…’ a somewhat understatement – they really are so removed from reality. We could all be begging in the street hslf starved, and she would still empathise in terms of understanding our frustration at being hungry
The problem is that coronapanickers see “only 3 or 4%” as “more than zero!!!!”
If it saves one life….
I don’t think she’s removed from reality. Back in Spring, she volunteered to return to her former role as a nurse in the local hospital. And she’s very involved in the local community.
Where she has free rein to express her views, she’s very passionate and vocal (for example against the county-wide lockdown in Wrexham, imposed by the Labour-run Welsh government, or against the 5-mile limit imposed back in late Spring). Her response in this case is VERY different – a stage-managed reply.
I think she’s been told by her masters to give this response to constituents asking questions about the rule of 6 and the curfews, or kiss her short political career goodbye.
Oh I see now. It’s a package deal! Like a holiday or buy one get one free!
I have emailed my home MP too. Quite hopeful as he voted against the renewal of the Act.
Carrie did a good job of pointing to Hancock’s petulance towards another MP and therefore the people. Here is a short video clearly showing just one instance of why hancock needs removing.
Most Contemptible MP EVER? Matt Hancock HDTV Astounding Arrogance
https://youtu.be/jY_4i84_8UU
Even knowing what an arrogant tick Hancock is, this still made my draw drop. I don’t think I could have contained myself if I had been that MP.
That should have been ‘jaw’ not ‘draw.’
The speaker should’ve made him stand back up again.
“Kate Shemirani
@KateShemirani
Oh oh oh. So after 32 hours in custody, bailed not to be in London or be involved in any protest, I file to challenge the bail and voila… CPS have refused to charge me with either the s46 incitement charge or the conspiracy to cause a public nuisance. ”
https://mobile.twitter.com/KateShemirani/status/1313239608709263360
If I said to you by going outside you had a 0.175% (UK rate of Covid 175 per 100,000*) chance of being hit by lightning and if, in the unlikely event that happened you had between 99.98 – 96.4% chance of surviving the incident dependent on your age (over 70% of the time probably not even noticing the lightning hitting you) – would you go outside? Of course you fucking would. If you had an underlying condition such as a metal plate or pacemaker or were carrying a metal umbrella, you may take extra precautions and wait until the storm passed.
When are people going to assess the risk sensibly? So angry right now and listened to arseholes saying that the Trump address was insensitive to all those who have died as a result of this ‘killing machine of a virus’ (yes they actually called it that!). How about all those that have died due to late diagnosis, missed and delayed treatments and all other diseases killing more than Covid? Do we just ignore them?
I truly despair at the rationality and mentality of the population. It is driving me slowly but surely insane.
*
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
Put it another way: When you get the flu if you were told at worst you have a 1 in 2000 chance of dying of it. And that going into work with the flu then gives those chances to someone else, would you do it?
The numbers would give you pause but then reality would set in.
If you said that to me, I would think you were mad both for assessing the odds of being hit by lightning as being so high and for thinking that the damage caused by being hit by lightning was so likely to be trivial.
But yes, I’d still go outside anyway.
Was trying to come up with a non-virus analogy to illustrate to stupidity of the awareness of risk. I have no idea how likely I am to be struck by lightning but accept the risk however trivial it is.
King of the mask wearing muppets makes a good point.
Liam Gallagher
@liamgallagher
So the dopes in gov telling musicians and people in arts to retrain and get another job what and become massive cunts like you nah yer alright c’mon you know LG x
12:12 pm · 6 Oct 2020·Twitter
From Hansard, reporting on yesterday’s debate:
Grahame Morris (Lab, Easington): “The Secretary of State is full of bravado and bluster, despite a catalogue of mistakes and regular statements. When the truth is spread thinly, people start to see through it. We hear the expression “world-beating test and trace system”—how would Ricky Tomlinson describe it?”
Matt Hancock: “I don’t know.”
Add to that entry the smirk and giggle that went round the chamber. It was disgusting.
I must be a sadist but have you a clip of that?
Caught that one live in yesterdays common coverage. He also did little fist pumps yay when the MP from stoke said a measure had been relaxed. The entire hancock performance yesterday at the dispatch box was tending towards the arrogantly unstable.
Drugged up. He’s obviously developed a taste for the uppers.
Haha. What a thick fucker he is
In my darkest moods (like today) I often think that if depopulation is the ultimate goal here then it is probably a good thing. An overwhelming majority of the human race have proven themselves to be beneath contempt, and not worthy of life, let alone liberty or prosperity. If this means that the small percentage worth saving has to go down with the sinking ship, then so be it. If you zoom out far enough, it’s a piss in the ocean.
My darker thought is that it’s a pity that Covid doesn’t actually have the potential to wipe out the human race, as so many of the imbeciles seem to believe. I’m not sure that our species has any right to survive given our pathetic response to this virus.
Great point. A real pandemic of Black Death proportions would be exactly what we deserve. I think our dear friend Dr. Gates might be working on something along these lines.
Dr Gates lol
It’s just a shame that depopulation is not happening in the “right” areas. It happens in the poorest countries, where people are starving, dying of dirty water diseases and other health issues, like TB, malaria etc.
It does not hit the “developed” countries, responsible for climate change, use of most of the energy and resources.
Covid is such a first world problem. Lockdown will be felt most by the developing countries. There will be a huge death toll.
Those problems are not related to climate change.
If you believe in this so much why don’t you do the decent thing and depopulate yourself and your family.
You reminds me of the DM commenters who say “I hope you get sick from covid and die.”
If you read the post I replied to he said it was a shame people were dying due to climate change in poor countries and not rich ones.
Climate change zealots are anti human and those who claim they are worried about overpopulation should take it to the logical next step.
They won’t because they are like our wonderful leaders with their constant flying and multiple homes.
Why do people wear masks?
I think it’s because they hate themselves and they hate other people.
They hate “society” and “life” they hate seeing other people better off than themselves. They hate feeling jealous of others. They love the idea of other people having a worse time than themselves. They think that “other” people deserve to be punished and treated like children because they are stupid. They deserve it. They are rule breakers. They are anti-government and anti social and inconsiderate
The mask says to people: You are a filthy disease carrier and your breath is poisonous and will harm other people. Talking to others is going to harm them, laughing is going to harm people, so is singing and shouting. Your face is harmful. Your expressions are worthless. Your voice is unwanted. Interaction with others is risky and irresponsible. Your very existence is poisonous. Your very life is polluting everything around you. You should be ashamed to breath freely.
It’s hard not to fall into the trap of hating other humans. The psy-op is working on me too. I am so divided from other people now it’s incredible. This IS why they mandate masks.
Mask wearing is poisonous to humanity.
”…deaths from COVID yesterday in the entire North East of England were zero. ”
Yet STILL these (often false) positive test results are being referred to as ”cases”. They’re obviously NOT ”cases”.
The sooner we sceptics stop referring to them by this emotive word, the sooner the more gullible will begin to see the real picture.
Often false? Vast majority. And loads of false negatives. So you lockdown people who are not infectious and miss a tonne who are.
Track and trace cannot work with PCR, even if it ever could anyway.
“And loads of false negatives”
What are you basing that on?
As I understand it, false negatives are usually estimated by reference to the number of (true) positives – i.e. 2% false negative rate would mean 1 in 50 cases are missed – so, if there are very low numbers of true positives, there’s no basis for assuming a lot of false negatives.
I always refer to them as “positive tests” followed by an explanation of the chain necessary to get to a death from said test. With all the problems with tests, I stick to the simplified version of that mess.
Just seen the following headline on the DT site:
“Boris Johnson pledges to use Covid as ‘trigger’ to fix country’s problems”
It would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
Fuck me. You mean the problems that he himself has caused?
What’s next? Heavy investment in vaccine, testing, and mask companies as the UK reinvents itself as the world leader in the tools of oppression?
“Support the economy, wear a mask!”
I think we can call this the medical-pharmacological complex.
It’s probably older than the military one.
Problem caused by them
Reaction holy eff we say
Solution they hand it to us as always intended before they caused the problem.
Translated:impose the green zero carbon agenda. As they stated months ago, the national recovery will be a green recovery.
Zero carbon means no electricity, no transportation, no communications, no buildings, no technology and no food.
70 million people are only sustained on these islands by the use of fossil fuels.
I beginning to think that this is all a ruse to usher in the Zero Carbon future.A reason why the aviation and travel industry have been destroyed.Prince Charles calling for a military style society to bring this about.Johnson trying to make us the Saudi Arabia of wind power.The surveillance society to nullify any opposition
No cremation. No burial either. I’m sure decaying meat gives off carbon. They’ll have to put us in a blender and use as fertiliser.
Also, no exhaling. What will the poor trees exist off?
Well Covid did almost fix this country’s problem but he survived.
And it’s brought the comedians out below to cheer us all up. Hopefully a new sketch tomorrow.
The two week circuit breaker has to happen for the government because it is another opportunity to muddy the waters for assessing the impact of the existing mitigations, ascribing natural immunity, counting cases, etc. Each time one of these interventions occurs it makes the real data a little bit harder to get to. If “cases” drop off after half-term we still won’t know whether it was the lockdown or would have happened anyway. Of course as has been mentioned many times before the argument is tautological. If cases go down the mitigations worked, if cases go up they weren’t strict enough. All starting from the unproven belief that they work. We are dealing with a belief system not science.
As much as I loathe and detest the idea of this circuit breaker, if it gives this inept government and Handjob in particular, a way out of the mess they have created, then let them go ahead, PROVIDING that in early November, they declare victory over the virus and open everything up again.
Once they do that, let the hounds out to do their job of ripping the government and (lack of) opposition to pieces. Get the popcorn ready.
Not a chance. It will be extended for two more weeks due to a sudden increase in cases cooked up by the Excel geniuses to ensure that we are in full lockdown when furlough ends.
“Just two weeks to break the circuit”. Heard that one before, haven’t we. Absent a popular uprising, the second lockdown will be permanent.
Yes, There is no chance of them stopping now. MW
They need an opportunity to declare victory and claim credit, while avoiding taking the blame for the bad decisions. They also need to show that they are doing something to mitigate the alarmist “not a prediction” scenario from SAGE, which showed 10s of thousands of additional deaths in the next few weeks. The rule of 6 and the curfew may or may not feel like it’s enough and so a 2 week circuit breaker wouldn’t surprise me. When the 10s of thousands of deaths don’t appear, it gives them the perfect opportunity to start following the advice of some of the… Er… less cautious, more pragmatic scientific voices (while credibly still following “the science”). Just in time for Christmas.
Completely agree Matt. It’s all been so, so predictable, done in the hope that none of us will have noticed what’s really going on. We have, of course noticed, in fact we probably know a lot more about PCR tests, lockdowns and numbers etc. than they do.
It makes me so angry to be treated as a stupid, gullible voter (or bigot, as Gordon Brown said once) Will they ever stop playing these stupid games with us?
Yes, our government is getting desperate, lol.
Not sure they’ll get away with it though :o)) Nor do they deserve to.
It will last months not weeks
Correction…it will last years not months. After they do the first round, they will need to do a second round and then another version of Covid will come up and yeah, you guessed it, new vaccines. Then they will have to find a way to track this and make sure you are taking all of it, something like a Vaccine passport, yeah that could work. And of course you will be able to refuse ,this is a free country after all and they would never infringe on you individual rights or body sovereignty. But unfortunately now you are not able to go to work anymore, or go shopping, to a pub, restaurants, cinema any live events or sports and god forbid on public transport or travel abroad. You are free but for the benefit of the nation you have become a slave..
Agreed. I wonder if they will go so far as to freeze all the assets of anyone who refuses the vaccine i.e. literally the mark of the beast?
I believe that will be the next step. That is why they are rushing way from cash towards a complete online banking system. Plus throw in that wonderful Social credit System from China..it works so well there does it?
Can’t beat popcorn…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL2TYoBYsnY
once implemented it will never be reversed until next year. don’t every trust this shower of cabinet ministers!
I am not sure it is a belief system, I think it is a deeply cynical exercise to manufacture a second wave of the virus which can then be “defeated”, a “victory” for which the government and the corrupt advisors will claim credit.
Possibly so, unfortunately it all means the same shit for us either way.
I think they still believe Fergusons model
I’m inclined to agree. Everything they’ve done still fits in with his original forecast and model.
Masks a Crime Against Humanity and Child Abuse:
Here is the transcript of a German video by Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity.
This is what she has to say about masks and their effects on our brains. The whole thing is excellent but here are a couple of snippets.
‘There is no unfounded medical exemption from face masks because oxygen deprivation is dangerous for every single brain. It must be the free decision of every human being whether they want to wear a mask that is absolutely ineffective to protect themselves from a virus.’
‘To coerce an entire population to use an absolute medical contraindication by force, there must be definite and serious reasons for this, and the reasons must be presented to competent interdisciplinary and independent bodies to be verified and authorised.’
‘When in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially, and the younger generations couldn’t reach their god-given potential, it won’t help to say “we didn’t need the masks”.’
[At one point she mentions that doctors in Germany are being penalised for issuing exemption certificates to people. How criminal does it get?]
https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/10/05/covid-19-masks-are-a-crime-against-humanity-and-child-abuse/ MW
Hence the reason why masks are being mandated. The goal is a vastly reduced, massively impoverished sub-human race of brain damaged slaves.
Obviously, I agree, Richard, I posted this in case anyone wants some ammo. MW
It’s a great article. Sometimes I feel we are stockpiling weapons that have no use, but it is nice to be able to send eloquent pieces like this, if nothing else to annoy people who want to believe in their slavery.
Yes, I’ve got a few candidates myself! 🙂 MW
Thank you.
I’m continually amazed that nearly everyone wearing a muzzle is using one of these silly Chinese paper things. Why don’t more people simply wear a light silk scarf, loosely around their lower face? (Just as effective as the piece of paper, of course.)
Are they wearing these things as some sort of badge of virtue? Do they know how ridiculous and cowed they look?
If you MUST wear something – make it a statement to show you think it’s nothing but coercive tripe.
I now call them government gimp masks whenever the topic comes up in conversation. I am not popular.
Face panties.
Gob rags.
I was thinking that yesterday, a light scarf will do. Most women certainly have one already. Some of the fc are ridiculously expensive, and the waste they create!!
Yes indeed – and as far as ”waste” is concerned, if they were THAT effective in trapping the virus, then surely they’d be ”hazardous waste” and proper bins should be provided for their disposal. Instead, they’re just dumped in car parks, or, worse, in shopping trolleys.
It’s ALL nonsense. Coercive, manipulative nonsense.
I have a nice, small, ostrich feather fan in the car, which I keep for emergencies, should the petrol station start getting difficult. Opens and covers the face, though admittedly one hand short.
I’ve got something called ‘my hand’ which I’ll use to cover my face in emergencies.
I’ve seen someone in the local Co-Op use a pizza box to cover her face, loudly exclaiming she didn’t have a mask on her. I’ve a feeling she was taking the piss out of the situation.
Such as a snood.
yes i use a cambodian cotton scarf which i can kind of wrap loosely away from touching my face and usually below my nose – it is a bit different, a little individuality and a little defiance in a small way to not follow the sea of masks. I shop once a week on my own generally and can’t be bothered with the mask nazis and associated stress – so this works for me within the bonkers rules.
A question to fellow Lockdown Sceptics regarding the legal position if a Corona test is refused. I’m thinking particularly of my elderly parents both of whom have multiple health issues but it could equally apply to any of us.
It is evident from examples described on this site and from my parents’ own experience, that a corona test is increasingly being used as a gateway in order to access non-Covid related healthcare.
So what happens if someone refuses to be tested? Is the NHS legally obliged to provide healthcare or can it refuse?
I am considering advising my parents to avoid being tested because of the possible ramifications if one of them tests positive. They live together in their own home and are dependent on each other. Any disruption to that could be catastrophic. Any help is appreciated.
From what you are saying, I’d go along with the test. If your parents’ health is that precarious, I wouldn’t be taking any chances and would pick my battles elsewhere. We don’t want any martyrs.
It’s not that simple, even leaving aside the matters of scientific/medical principle. In practical terms,the fraudulent testing is being used for pseudo-medical purposes, and is, of course, of no real use, but can have consequences.
An enforced (albeit indirectly) test goes against the basics of the Nuremberg principles.
Why do they need to be tested? What am I missing? If they have to go into hospital I believe testing is done automatically? If they have been offered a test because everyone in the area is offered a test then my immediate response would be why should I have it? Are they showing symptoms?
One recent example. Father had an appointment at the cancer clinic. My mother had to have a corona test to be allowed to go in with him! Neither have had any corona symptoms.
Ultimately it is up to your parents but I would suck it up and get tested. We aren’t talking masks in shops here/arguments with bus drivers on this occasion.
Quite right..LOCKDOWN WAS NEVER ABOUT COVID!
Regardless of what you think about UKIP, a video just popped up on their FB page – that in itself is worth a watch, but I’m really concerned by the comment on there from a lady called Nicole – if you can, please give her some support, I fear she might be about to do something terrible to herself:
https://www.facebook.com/UKIP/videos/3419926224800548/
Being a non mask wearer and proud, in the past months I’ve negotiated shops, buses, dentist, library, optician, pubs, and restaurants. The only place I haven’t been, or indeed had the need to visit, is my medical practice. This will be rectified in two weeks time when I am scheduled to get my flu jab. I did question the wisdom of having this but seeing as I’ve had it for the past ten years or more and never having had the flu or indeed any side effects, I’m going ahead with it. I also didn’t want to let the Covid hysteria, and my determination NOT to have anything to do with a Covid vaccine, put me in a position where I might cut my nose off to spite my face….. so to speak.
Anyway, my doctor’s receptionist rang this morning to book me in and to go through the list of do’s and dont’s at my appointed time. I am to get to the BACK door of the surgery at 13.53pm on the day, wearing a short sleeved shirt ‘but you can wear a jacket if it’s cold but one that you can remove quickly for the jab’ Great stuff, I thought, at least they’re thinking that standing outside in late October in the freezing cold and wind might, just might, necessitate wearing a jacket. But as the next appointment was at 13.57pm ( I know this because it is Mrs. Hopkins) nothing can be allowed to interfere with the continuous motion of the human sausage machine that obviously constitutes the ‘flu jab mass production line. Her parting shot was ‘and you must wear a face mask’. I then said, ever so gently and quietly, that I had an exemption to which she said ‘on what grounds’? Now, if this hadn’t been my doctors receptionist I would have politely told her it was none of her business but my response was measured and, I must confess, pre-determined. I replied ‘It’s all in my medical history’ knowing full well that she was in no position to question my personal medical details. Mind you, I’m not sure that “won’t wear a mask on the basis of he thinks it’s all a load of bollocks” appears anywhere in my notes but there you have it.
Much to my pleasure she replied ‘thank you Mr Hopkins, I’ll make a note of your exemption for you’. and it was done.
So it looks as if I will be squaring the circle with my mask refusal. Medical practices like you to believe in the sanctity of the ‘the mask’ even though the doctors themselves think it a load of rubbish—-I’m simply not playing their game—-bugger it!
Just tell them that you are allergic to Bulls××t, Harry.
Definitely allergic to that Philip—-and I don’t think they’ve yet developed an antihistimine that helps to suppress it!
An old friend of mine (now sadly “gone to his reward”) favourite saying was “Bulls××t baffles brains”
HOW TRUE!!
This man is fast becoming my hero:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313449844413992961?s=20
Donald’s obviously been catching up on previous updates of Lockdown Sceptics while in hospital.
Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!
This is something I think all of us here knew way back in March.
Love the guy the DEPLOREABLE HULK
Have you been tested for Covid fever? 🙂
Me to, never thought I’d say that about Donald. He speaks much more sense than the bunch of utter thick nutters we have in charge. Boris Makes him look like a Noble Prize winning scientist.
I’m still shaking my head at yesterday’s events. Handcock promised a “world-beating” test and trace system. He could have used other superlatives, such as a Rolls Royce of a system, or the ultimate accolade: a Douglas Hurd of a test and trace system. Spitting Image once had Margaret Thatcher calling Douglas Hurd “Douglas Turd”. And that is a pretty good description of the whole thing. Really, you have to laugh. If ever they make a new series of the office, Handcock should audition for the part of David Brent. Mr Cock-up, indeed.
Come on,even David Brent wasn’t as big a pratt as Wankcock.
A friend of mine sent me this, which I have tried to email to Toby, we don’t know what to make of it. https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ. Is it genuine or a practical joke?
Toby: why is there no contact email on the site?
He’s got it
There is a link to an email address (lockdownsceptics@gmail.com), but it’s (slightly strangely) now hidden in the ‘shameless begging bit’
Thank you
I did send it to him a couple of days ago and I think him and Delingpole were discussing it on London Calling, so they seem to know about it.
A great number of people pushing this on this site. Most of these actions in US end up enriching the lawyers and a few pet ‘charities’.
just done the weekly shop. Aldi as easy as usual. not busy. most masked but one lady unmasked. round shopping centre, a few unmasked. chatted to couple of people … all pissed off with it all
I see many more elderly with masks in the street. They are instrumental in drastically reducing their own immunities
I wonder if those lockdown fanatics/Collaborators realise how us sceptics laugh at and ridicule them day in/day out?
We pretend to use hand sanitizer,pretend to scan the collaborator app, give false information to “track and trace” shop staff( no blame to them,they have to carry out these stupid rules), but what really cheered me up was that only 20 something % of people who are contacted by the “track and trace” Gestapo take any notice, the other 70 something % rightly ignore them (Last Sunday’s “Sunday times.”)
Suddenly there’s a extra “spring” in this 71 year old’s step.
Simon Dolan’s case to be heard a week on Thursday:
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1313457956185346053?s=20
Great news
Three things on Thursday 15 October – deadline for a Brexit deal, Tom Bower’s book published on Boris and his private life and the Dolan case. Friday 16 October is the anniversary of the 1987 ‘it could never happen here’ hurricane. Then of course, that was followed by Black Monday (19 October’s stock market crash). Do I need to order extra portions of popcorn?
Brexit = No Deal
Dolan = case dismissed
Biography = no one gives a fuck
Your optimism is truly inspiring.
Nope – roof tiles and half-sovereigns. 🙂
Posting this. It might be a bit long. Feel free to disagree with my assertions if you think my
logic is flawed! I put it here to stimulate thought, and possible discussion.
Can you really have an asymptomatic viral infection?
I’ve been thinking about this and the whole ludicrous testing regime over the past few days. Now, while I regard the government as criminally dishonest, I don’t think there is a sinister motive behind their actions. Their actions are motivated primarily by populism and stupidity.
So, I ask again:
Can you really have an asymptomatic viral infection?
This is a textbook definition of a “live” virus:
“Viruses are submicroscopic, obligate intracellular parasites” (Cann)
(“Obligate” – I had to look it up – essentially just means “necessarily”.)
Viruses are cellular parasites. They cannot be anything else.
There are basically three stages of a viral infection:
1) A pre-symptomatic stage of a few days – perhaps up to a week – when you don’t know you have an infection. In this stage the virus is alive.
2) A symptomatic stage. You certainly know about that.
This is the phase when the immune system is fighting the infection. Generally, with most viruses, the immune system wins this battle. But the immune response to serious infection is physically exhausting. Inpeople with compromised immune systems, or in people who are already weakened by great age or serious illness, the outcome of the battle is less certain.
3) A post-symptomatic stage. In this stage the virus is dead, but fragments of the dead virus remain in the body for up to three months. Some viruses in this stage are still alive, but dormant.
So, I ask again.
Can you have an asymptomatic viral infection?
Let us suppose that you could. Well, so what? I might, as I write, have the flu. I have no symptoms of the flu, but who knows? Maybe if I had a flu test it might come back positive. But again, so what? If I’m not ill then does it matter?
The only relevance an asymptomatic viral infection can have is if your infection can spread to others, and ultimately to vulnerable others, for whom a viral infection might be a serious threat to health.
But can you actually have an asymptomatic viral infection?
Of course you can, you say! The chickenpox virus (varicella zoster) never leaves you once you’ve had it. It lurks in your body for life, in some individuals re-emerging as shingles later on. Both I and my young niece have (apparently) had mild shingles. As did my late grandfather who had it on his face. (For a while he made Joseph Merrick look handsome. It was that bad.)
But an infection with varicella zoster is not “asymptomatic”! There are ALWAYS symptoms. And while the virus lives on in the nerves of your body after symptoms of chickenpox fade, it is most of the time dormant. It is no longer infectious.
To the extent that varicella zoster lives on in the body after initial infection and the onset of symptoms to their eventual disappearance, the infection is, for the vast majority, utterly trivial.
So with some viruses a post-symptomatic dormant stage follows the end of the symptomatic stage. The virus is not dead, but is suppressed by the immune system.
But this stage does not present in coronaviruses.
You cannot have a viral infection that is asymptomatic. Not if it means anything!
The SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot circulate round your body and do nothing! If it is alive it will infect cells and propagate. That’s what it does. And this will require the eventual intervention of the immune defence mechanism to stop it. And that will cause symptoms to present.
With a SARS-CoV-2 infection you can be pre-symptomatic, perhaps for about a week and post-symptomatic, perhaps for up to three months, but you cannot be entirely asymptomatic.
If you are immune then you cannot become infected. The body’s trained molecular bouncers, the antibodies, will prevent entry of the virus, and if it does get in, it will be instantly ejected.
Assuming that the PCR test results are correct to the extent that they are detecting viral particles, those who are not displaying symptoms must be either pre-symptomatic or post-symptomatic. But the pre-symptomatic stage only lasts maybe about a week. The post-symptomatic stage is much longer, and lasts up to three months according to Carl Heneghan.
If we were to estimate that the pre-symptomatic stage is a week, the symptomatic stage is two weeks and the post-symptomatic (dead virus) stage is nine weeks; and also assume that death occurs in a statistically trivial less than 1% of cases, then we might be able to assess how many of those tests are “false” positives.
Ignoring the symptomatics, the non-symptomatic categories are in the ratio 1 to 9, in other words about 10% are “true”, pre-symptomatic positives and around 90% of them are “false”, post symptomatic (trivial) positives.
“Can you really have an asymptomatic viral infection?”
One problem is that language has become entirely and hopelessly corrupted in terms of basics such as ‘Covid’, ‘cases’ and ‘infection’
The truthful answer to your question is actually ‘no’.
No, it is called a false positive test
If your initial assumptions are assumed to be correct then you have to keep coming up with ever more unlikely conclusions to make the data fit those assumptions.
Every time I see this quote, I become more certain it was penned by a malicious one.
Question on face masks and exemptions – I work in a sports centre, which has been trying very hard to keep things normal. But the powers that be have decided that masks must be worn inside the building (unless exercising). I still want to avoid wearing a mask, but feel guilty if other staff members have to do so. However, I just remembered that I had a bad bout of pneumonia a few years ago – rushed to hospital in the back of an ambulance and a few days in hospital. Do you think I can reasonably claim an exception based upon this illness, even if it was a few years ago? It’s possible that I could have suffered long term lung damage – although I feel OK now – therefore it’s important for me to have access to oxygen and not cover my mouth? Is this a legit exemption or am I pushing it a bit?
You can simply claim exemption on ‘health grounds’ – no question, no lies. And that’s disregarding your pneumonia.
The potential harms of mask wearing are much more firmly established than any benefits – thus you are rationally making a statement based on the facts.
It doesn’t have to be a physical thing either. You can claim mental distress too.
… which is also a patently obvious harm.
When I last went into hospital for a routine procedure, my blood pressure was way up on my normal levels – and that was, I’m sure, directly related to the wearing of a mask and also seeing others forced to do so.
“the putting on or wearing of a mask causes you distress” is one of the valid exemption reasons
Everyone has a valid exemption
Exactly
Exactly.Having had pneumonia, the very thought of masking and being unable to breathe will cause you distress. Not worth risking it, getting woozy, falling over, knocking yourself out on a gym bike or falling into the pool.
Can you and your colleagues all decide it’s bollocks and come to a unified decision to all claim exemption.
I’m assuming you are all fit and able and knowledgeable in fitness and the need for clean air and oxygen so why wear a mask that does the opposite?
P.s. I’m not patronising you, just a valid question
You don’t need to provide any explanation – just state that you are exempt. You are covered by the Equality Act 2010.
I am the only teacher at my school that does not wear a face mask or visor and sometimes I have the feeling of standing out. Occassionally I am asked and merely state that I am exempt. That is all that is required. Most of the time no-one seems to notice that I am not wearing a face covering.
See nomasks.info or laworfiction.com for more details
This.
I think you should not feel guilty.
It is their choice to follow stupid rules.
What happens if staff don’t wear masks? They cannot be fired.
You’re exempt if you say you are
https://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/
Follow the link to the toolkit 👍🏻
Yes just don’t wear one, you are exempt, so are all you fellow workers. Stand up all of you and fight back.
Agree
Oh Joy apon joy,have just seen on a news website that Bojo has said that “Social distancing” will be over by October 2021!!
The only ones we want to be social distanced from is him and the rest of his excuse of a government along with the “advisers” and “experts”
(sigh)…and want science is that based on today?
Agenda 2020 and the Great Reset science. The only science that counts nowadays.
Very well said. Disappointed I can only give you one uptick!
What only a year to wait so I can hug my grandmother!!!What great News!! Well , that if she sis till alive then ,but thank you, thank you oh Great Leader! And to the people who say we live in N Korea I say…ohh.wait…ohhh 🙁
How generous of Our Dear Leader. Extending the regulations this far into the future is as good as saying they are permanent. Which we knew already.
are we all going to be dead by then?
He knows that the vaccine will be deployed by then, so yes.
They never want this nightmare to end, yet the majority are just fine with it.
So that’s the timescale for mass vaccination then?
And is that when we can start travelling again, if we have had the vaccine?
There was a recent royal society document advocating an age-phased 9-12 month rollout. And of course that’s funded by the usual suspects.
exactly!
“Bojo has said that “Social distancing” will be over by October 2021!!”
That means it’s going to get stricter. Social distancing even within households. We will not be allowed out of our separated bedrooms. CCTV fitted in all rooms to ensure 100% compliance.
Breaking up the family, and particularly removing children from their parents, is a key goal of the social engineers. This is when we get to find out that the zombies have completely lost their humanity as they gleefully hand over their own flesh and blood to the care of the state.
I’ve a sneaky feeling you’re right.
But who among that snivelling shower of non-entities, criminals and psychopaths can lead us?
It would require some new party, a complete reverse ferret by Labour, or a group of truly sceptical Tories to take out the leadership including the current cabinet. Can’t see it happening.
There will be no theatres or concert venues able to resume operations by then.
We cannot just put them to sleep for a year and then try to fund the process of recruitment and employment, unless the venues get loads of gov cash thrown at them or they get themselves into debt for decades. And who will give them credit?
As Herr Johnson’s speechwriter, have you considered keeping a compendium of all these wondrous contributions to our rich political discourse?
Absolutely thrilled to see a member of staff from my university sign the Great Barrington Declaration.
Which University?
This sounds like a great idea.
I’m not sure they’d agree to put notices in their windows – the Stasi/covid marshalls would probably pay a visit for wrongthink – but it’s worth a shot!
Tim Bidie, mhcp and all others who responded to an earlier comment of mine.
Let’s simplify my point.
You all seem to support the critics of testing and many of you think that we don’t have a clue how many cases of coronavirus infection we have had in the UK. While there is a fair bit of uncertainty, I think we can estimate a reasonable ball park figure but let’s assume that you are all correct, SO …..
How can we have a reasonable estimate of the IFR ?
You’re all convinced that the IFR is around 0.1%. If that’s true, then the number of cases must be high. BUT, you’re all equally convinced that the PCR test is simply picking up False Positives, so the number of TRUE cases must be low, i.e.
Lots of Cases = Low IFR
Not many Cases = High IFR
So which is it?
Not many cases.
AND
Not many (real) deaths from Covid
=
0.1% IFR tops
There are certainly at least 25k UK deaths. The same in France, Spain, Italy …….
We know 13 people (~2% IFR) on the Diamond Princess cruise ship died and, while they were getting on a bit, they were fit enough to go on a cruise so presumably had no expectation of dying in the immediate short term.
0.1% IFR tops
So 25 million infections?
Not infections but exposure to a pathogen – with relatively very few infections – see below.
I agree we should distinguish between exposure and infection as usually defined.
What was the average age on the Diamond Princess? Why would you extrapolate the IFR on a cruise ship full of retired people to the general population?
Actually, a few months back there was someone who extrapolated from the age structure of the Diamond Princess crew and passengers . He predicted that the corresponding IFR in the US population would be somewhere between 0.10 and 0.20%. (because the cruise ship has many more older people).
Cruise ships are not a good basis for extrapolating to the general community. We see how sometimes a gastric pathogen can affect nearly 100% on board…that would never happen on land.
“There are certainly at least 25k UK deaths”
We don’t even know that, since the figures are so raddled with errors and inaccuracies..
One thing we do know, looking at death rates for non-infective disease is that they suddenly miraculously decreased – probably due to the mis-attribution to ‘Covid’.
Then we have the deaths from shutting down health services (much still to come) – leaving ‘Covid’ with a much-diminished role.
Yes, at least 50%exposure. Probably a lot more.
so is IFR the same as CFR?
If 1000 people are infected with a virus and 100 of these have medium/bad symptoms and go to the doc and get diagnosed with the virus, becoming a case (the other 900 maybe fighting off disease with natural immunity (Tcells n stuff)) – and one of those cases dies then would I be correct in saying;
IFR is 0.1%
CFR is 1%
great – thank you
25k deaths ‘with’ covid. I expect the number of young and healthy people’s lives ‘tragically cut short’ by this terrible disease is about zero. Covid is a complicating factor in deaths of the elderly and terminally ill. Nothing more than a cold
The IFR is fundamentally unknowable. Given that, is it really so important that we calculate it? If it is 0.1% or 0.5%, does it really change how we behave? I get the impression that it really matters to some people that we compare the IFR to flu so they can say “told you that it was no worse than flu” or “told you that it was worse than flu.”
Who cares? It’s not nothing, it’s not ebola. Let’s just live with it.
We can’t even know the CFR, how are we supposed to know the IFR?
Well, considering positive PCR test results are cases, I think I know who wants to have their cake and eat it.
Who cares? It’s not nothing, it’s not ebola. Let’s just live with it.
How do you know it’s “not ebola”? You don’t know how many people have contracted the virus.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 do you even know what Ebola is? 🤔
Doe he play for arsenal?
Oh Lordy, that was a stupid comment. Ebola is orders of magnitude more deadly than covid. Even ballpark numbers tell you that. In the outbreak last decade in Liberia the CFR was nearly 50%. Whatever it is for Covid, it ain’t that.
You’ve told me you don’t how many Covid cases there has been.
How do you know how lethal it is?
I don’t really care how lethal it is. It’s somewhere between “not at all lethal” and “dangerously lethal.” Orders of magnitude are enough for this kind of thing.
Big difference between 0.1% and 1%.
Yes, that’s an order of magnitude. But nobody is seriously arguing that the IFR of Covid is 1%. Even Ferguson assumed 0.9% for his psychopathic inputs. In the UK the arguments are about whether it is 0.2% or 0.3% or 0.5%. Who cares? People will behave the same at either of those numbers. Not great, not terrible.
Is there not usually a big difference between the IFR and the CFR?
SARS-CoV-2 vs hemorrhagic fever.
1% vs 85% fatality rate.
Sorry if this is a bit technical for you.
How do you know fatality rate for SARS-CoV-2 is 1%?
You told me it was “a made up number” in an earlier comment
Ooh look – here it is
So, do you know what Ebola is………..?
Doh! If it was extraordinarily lethal and also widespread, it would show up in the all-cause mortality figures.
It hasn’t (and no, I’m not forgetting the high age-related mortality in April, which killed survivors from the low infection season a year previously)
Doh! If it was extraordinarily lethal and also widespread, it would show up in the all-cause mortality figures.
Not necessarily. It might be lethal but not very infectious. The original SARS reportedly killed 10% of those infected. Fortunately not many people caught it.
Professor Sunetra Gupta reckons the IFR for Covid is 0.1%. Do you agree with her?
I’m not forgetting the high age-related mortality in April, which killed survivors from the low infection season a year previously
That might explain the UK’s high mortality rate compared to other countries. It can’t explain the 50k plus excess.
I expect its very infectious but not very lethal. The excess mortality were some old age deaths bought forward plus stress of lockdown and closing of the health service
Withdrawal of care from the elderly and the reluctance of many people to attend hospital during the lockdown would account for a lot of the excess deaths.
Whatever the IFR the fact is it doesn’t justify the lockdown and the extreme measures taken since,which are resulting in the destruction of the economy and needless deaths.
most people in Sweden were exposed – they reached herd immunity which is why the graph went down without a lockdown
” You don’t know how many people have contracted the virus.”
Neither do your pals in the State and therein lies the problem. That you either fail to understand that or refuse to is your problem (although it is also a problem for the rest of us).
So do we have low case numbers or high case numbers and is the IFR 0.1% or 3%.
whats the difference between CFR and IFR?
Well – if the fairy stories have got to permitting a diagnosis of ebola – we know that they belong where the sun don’t shine 🙂
“You don’t know how many people have contracted the virus”
Precisely – except that all indications (ignoring PCR identification of random bits of RNA) are that it’s not that many, if we stick to proper definitions of ‘virus’ and ‘infection’.
Jesus. Dumb or what?!
‘what’ – it’s an (overfed) troll.
What the fuck! The IFR is a made up number you fucking twat! Fuck off and take your bollocks with you!
The IFR is determined by dividing one number by another.
Sorry if this is a bit technical for you.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Have you heard the phrase, ‘Rubbish in, rubbish out Mayo?
Anybody can count, what matters is the insights you gain and what you do this the information.
Professor Gupta says the IFR for Covid is 0.1%
Many LS readers agree with her.
How does she and they know what the IFR is?
What points are you trying to make here?
DavidC
It ‘s not difficult.
I’m trying to get readers to tell me if we have high case numbers or low case numbers – and what does that imply for IFR.
It’s just that this blog appears to be arguing that there are not many cases but also a low IFR.
To put it Even more simply
High Case Numbers = Low IFR
Low Case Numbers = High IFR
which is it?
You make me grin. You are a classic of your kind. Unaware.
WHO estimate 750 million infections worldwide. Around 1 million deaths worldwide, ergo around 0.1% ifr.
And, by the way, that’s exactly what, back in March, very experienced and sensible experts such as Wittkowski, Giesecke and others were predicting would quite likely be where ifr would end up, based on their experience of such viruses and the course of past epidemics. So it’s nothing particularly extraordinary if it does turn out to be the case.
And even then I wouldn’t trust their estimates either
Plus:
You are assuming that that phenomenon which produces a positive PCR result is the same phenomenon as that phenomenon, which is responsible for those real covid deaths.
So the spike in hospitalisation and deaths in March was just a coincidence?
No, I do think that there was an infection, but with lockdown causing most excess deaths. As explained below, I find the exposure of 20 million people to a particular pathogen in the – say – six weeks to two months leading up to April to be plausible.
The deaths were occurring BEFORE the lockdown and peaked just 2 weeks after lockdown started. The curve then followed the path of an epidemic.
The lockdown could not have caused most of the deaths.
Lockdowns have little or no effect on Covid mortality. They just increase all-cause mortality.
That’s not really the argument here so I don’t want to get into it.
I am simply trying ascertain whether LS readers believe we have a low IFR and therefore a high number of cases or vice versa.
Note: We can’t have Low case numbers AND low IFR,
do you mean low CFR?
But when oaps are kicked out of hospital to make space and they’re forced into care homes you’d know you’re wrong
Look at the graphs. Theres been similar spikes in deaths during the spring in previous years. It certainly isn’t unusual.
That’s a false dilemma. If X% of cases are false positives, then X% of deaths are also likely being wrongly attributed to COVID (since a COVID death is just a death following a positive test result). So the IFR (deaths/cases) calculation remains unchanged because false positives result in both cases and deaths being overcounted.
Remember most of the deaths were symptomatic. Read Medical reports from UK, US, Italy, …..
For your hypothesis to be true, we would have to assume that some unknown pathogen (not Covid) just happened to cause pneumonia-like (but dissimilar) symptoms in March, April, May …
Not sure I follow your logic here. Currently the number of deaths is very low. From a pure mathematical perspective then the number of cases would be expected to be relatively low.
I can see a possible line of reasoning for the past when deaths were high but not many positives were being found. This does not automatically mean they didn’t exist given that they weren’t testing people unless they had symptoms.
Without knowing any of the actual numbers you have to explain how a supposedly highly infectious disease managed to cover most of the world, in the UK alone it was in virtually every county and region, but hardly anybody got infected.
Not sure I follow your logic here
It’s quite simple
I don’t accept that deaths are very low. All cause mortality spiked sharply in March & April – well before any lockdown effects could have kicked in. There is no other explanation.
Even if we halve the death numbers to 20k, that still means 20 million infections for an IFR of 0.1%.
You do realise that life doesn’t follow equations don’t you?
Are you saying it’s impossible for a disease to have a low IFR just because at some point in time the data didn’t show it?
Nobody2020, you’ve unmasked Mayo! It’s Professor Ferguson!!
I was just thinking the same – definitely Prof Pantsdown
What? What are you banging on about?
Professor Sunetra Gupta says IFR is around 0.1%.
How do you think she estimated this figure?
What? What are you banging on about?
Why are you doing a copy and paste argument for no apparent reason?
Tell me where Gupta gets her IFR estimate from?
I’ve not seen her working but it’s not hard to estimate using available data.
The WHO have just recently estimated 750M people worldwide have been infected. With roughly 1M official deaths so far this would give an estimated IFR of 0.13% so not too far off 0.1%.
How would you estimate an IFR?
Even accepting your argument and your numbers:
Those 20 million exposed to the cause of death for the 20k would have been exposed between January amd March before testing really got going to detect them.
Cross immunity from other coronaviruses as indicated by the Tübingen study would mean that many of those contacts would in any case show little or no trace of that contact.
Even taking your argument and numbers as given, I find it quite plausible that 20 million people in the UK were exposed leading up to April 2020.
I find it quite plausible that 20 million people in the UK were exposed leading up to April 2020.
The timing of deaths suggests cases increased most rapidly in March. I don’t rule out a few January infections.
I think you’re forgetting this was primarily a nosocomial disease in March/April. This would undoubtedly equal a high IFR as those who succumbed, >50%, had a care home origin. As the infection progresses (as it will during respiratory infection season) in the community, the IFR will decrease, primarily because it’s not as dangerous to the majority of the population as those that are vulnerable (and some still are).
Some truth in what you write but deaths are deaths. These are mostly deaths that would not happened without Covid.
just deaths of old age brought forward a few months
Exactly. Even Ferguson admitted that anywhere from half to two thirds of those who die from Covid would probably have died in a few months even without it.
Gotcha!
“I don’t accept that deaths are very low.”
= “I deny the facts” – as one has to in order to support the official narrative, which is, as we know, a concatenation of fairy stories.
Now. Here is the news:
So, in summary : 2019/20 Winter/Spring was not a season of ‘very low’ mortality. It was a season of moderately high mortality – the 8th in 27 years.
Lesson : There is absolutely no evidence to support insanely restrictive measures that have never been recommended, let alone employed, for a patently un-extraordinary situation with multiple precedents.
Lesson : There is absolutely no evidence …
A separate argument which is completely irrelevant to the IFR/CAse issue.
What is difficult to understand? The virus has always been highly transmissible. At the outset it was also highly virulent, and that caused the initial large death toll.
Now it isn’t virulent.
The 10-20 recorded daily deaths with a PCR positive (not even cases) will be largely comprised of those over 70 with co-morbidities. And nearly all those deaths will have a different primary cause of death.
Deaths from a primary cause of Covid are probably 0-3 a day.
That’s why they just did the death certificate scam. And no post-mortem.
Now it isn’t virulent.
Prove it. If anything’s changed it’s more likely to be our immune systems which are boosted by sunshine during the summer. Viral load also diluted outdoors.
Back to Farr. It was never that serious. Full Stop.
False reasoning. There is absolutely no way of knowing the relationship of PCR positives with real Covid – just as there is no way of knowing the incidence of real Covid. The data in both cases is irremediably screwed.
With Covid, the mess is caused by guesswork death registrations and the old confusion of ‘with’ and ‘of’
… which links seamlessly to a whole train of error sources, from sampling to Ct numbers in the PCR testing process.
What we do have is all-cause mortality (Farr’s one factor which isn’t ‘assumption’) which shows no exceptional mortality by any reliable historical criterion. It’s currently bumping along at the bottom of the quarter-century range, and following seasonal norms.
So two obvious things :
I agree. There’s really nothing more to be said against the casedemic. Pillar 2 RT-PCR is just utterly worthless.
Pillar 2 RT-PCR is just utterly worthless.
So does that mean we don’t have a clue how lethal this virus is to anyone who catches it?
I guess not.
Perhaps if we actually did post mortems and investigated what had killed these poor people, we might know a little more.
Simply labelling as a COVID-19 death any corpse that might have tripped over a fragment of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is grossly misleading.
Considering the economic and social cost of this exercise, one might think that collecting facts would be a better approach.
So what ‘s the IFR?
Who gives a toss? The effects are what counts – not the masturbatory concerns of modellers.
If many of the c19 deaths actually passed due to comorbidities then not many infections still equals low IFR – how many of the claimed c19 deaths actually died from c19. I suspect not many/any of them were healthy folk
You also said earlier (I think) that many of white house staff testing positive suggests limited natural immunity – but then you agreed that people with natural immunity could test positive when dealing with the virus – which is it – you can’t have it both ways
Saying PCR testing is riddled with errors and probably overestimating true positives is not the same as saying it is not highly infectious and widely spread. Not sure why you think these are contradictory positions. They’re not.
Covid could be widely spread in the community but involving for the vast majority trivial or no symptoms.
The vast majority of people will have been infected in the spring when there was hardly any testing taking place.
People presenting for tests are likely to include a high proportion of “worried well”. That may actually be distorting the testing figures.
The fatality rate is definitely going down at the moment as we having 20000 additional “cases” added to the data but no associated increase in Covid-certified deaths.
No. Are you really that desperate to defend the shit model? Jesus, I’m an idiot, but even I can see how simple this is. The virus has been widespread, over a large part of the year. Many people were infected, but not that many died in comparison ie Lots of cases=Low IFR. The extreme testing now is just picking up the ripples from those not infected earlier and the disease is relatively low lying ie Not many cases and still ( surprisingly! ) Low IFR.
I don’t really see where you think you are going with this, Mayo. The deaths were almost all back in April, with a three week plus lead time. Any “cases” now won’t be producing deaths for more than three weeks from now.
Below you say at least 25k deaths, with 0.1% ifr would suggest 25 million cases (nearly 40% of the population). Well, that would be nicely in the range where herd immunity would be expected to have kicked in under modern assumptions for pre-existing resistance and non-homogenous susceptibility and spreading. And that would also fit with the current observed slow increase in cases as the season changes, raising the herd immunity threshold as usual for seasonal colds (along with presumably finishing the job of any pockets that escaped in the earlier epidemic.
That’s not necessarily what we are seeing, but it’s a perfectly plausible scenario.
That didn’t really simplify it – it was pretty simple originally. And by simple, I mean in old fashioned sense.
As my mum used to say “have a think about you’re trying to say and see why it might be wrong”
I would turn the argument around. If a significant proportion of those who have tested positive are infection-free and the prevalence of the disease is low, then this virus is no where near as contagious as the statists suggest – so Van-tam’s comment that the virus has an R value of 3 is bollocks. Alternatively, far more people have been exposed to the virus (and even the WHO is now suggesting that 10% of the world’s population may have been infected), in which case the overall IFR is very low and the disease is no where near as deadly as the statists suggest. Personally, I think the latter is more likely, but either way it makes the case for scepticism.
No-one can answer that question because the data is junk. So whatever point you are trying to make using that data lacks any validity
The testing regime is unreliable:
‘1.There is considerable diversity of molecular platforms, reagents, kits and assay performance conditions in PHE and NHS laboratories providing SARS-CoV-2 molecular detection
2. There is evidence of quality assurance difficulties for key reagents due to global supply chain issues
3. Shortages of swabs and transport medium have led to local variations in sampling practice which may impact on assay performance through the introduction of inhibitors into biochemical reactions
4. There is no evidence of viral genetic drift as a basis for altered sensitivity of assay
5. Enzyme performance from external suppliers has degraded compared with original validation performance.’
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zoki1xUKuY15JmPujZXd-mMjXn0K_2GM/view
And, even if it was reliable, it does not test for infections so IFR numbers, CFR numbers are junk:
‘A PCR test might find the virus it was looking for. This results in a PCR positive, but a crucial question remains: is this virus active, i.e. infectious, or virulent? The PCR alone cannot answer this question.’
‘This means that PCR Positives might or might not lead to concluding that a subject testing positive by PCR is infectious. Why? Because PCR positives have not been correlated to the growth of the virus in culture.’
‘Unfortunately relating PCR POSITIVE to infectivity is not easy if we consider the whole population. This would need 1) a model (correlation) that maps PCR POSITIVES and/or symptoms to infectivity as tested by viral culture or 2) viral culture for every individual case.’
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/
All anyone can say, with confidence, is that a spike in overall all causes mortality occurred after tens of thousands of elderly and infirm patients were discharged from hospital at 24 hours notice in March.
Since that period, overall all causes mortality has been plumb normal.
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH !
You’ve all probably earned mayo a bonus. Instead of focussing on our situation and what we can do about it.
Absolutely nothing compared with over-fishing, scallop scraping by trawlers, general pollution, escaped mink and other man-made harms.
I’ve watched it happen. Just as one sample : last year (before the world turned totally stupid) I sat looking out over a Scottish island west coast land/seascape (no wind farms in sight), and was really saddened by the paucity of visible bird life compared with 20-40 years ago. The recent decline has been massive – and reflects a decline in marine and insect life as well (crane flies – once abundant, now sparse).
All this is an inter-connected web, and the relative harm caused by wind farms are a pin-prick.And, truth told – wind farms in the landscape are far less visually intrusive than the electricity poles and pylons (speaking as a photographer).
We can argue about precise causes and the role of climate – but you’d have to be blind not to notice it, and it’s happening quickly.
agree with your first two paragraphs. one would hope that we have some control over the overfishing from next year. and the general wildlife decline due to industrial farming and some strange EEC directives.
Wind farms have been identified as being damaging to wildlife (birds and insects) especially on land. I dont mind them so much off shore from an aesthetic view point , but i am against them from an economic view point.
And climate – yes it changes. we are currently in a warm period since 1970s but sunspot cycles indicate another cooling period to come. However the effect of man and increased CO2 is yet to be proven
unfortunately Johnson seems now to be following the BBC science
Waves and the tide are where the big power is. The lack of development/progress on these areas speaks volumes.
Wavereaper looked promising, but I think someone might have been ‘persuaded’ to stop it …
This is the Country Boris Johnson has created. <
Comforting a grieving widow by her two sons is banned at a funeral.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wchPE4ujaZI youtube com/watch?v=wchPE4ujaZI
STOP!” National Disgrace – Unedited 🎤 📺 It’s Come To This…
If that was me in that funeral I would be in jail now as the man would not be walking back..he would be crawling, although it’s hard when your legs are broken.
This was one of the most upsetting things I have seen in connection with lockdown – and it is not exactly a low bar!
I’d have the goon by his tie and drag him out and chuck him down the nearest hole. Usual shit no doubt ‘i was just following orders’, makes me want to puke
Careful, goons often wear clip-on ties, Stefarm.
The old fella should be turning in his grave that his sons didn’t have the backbone to tell that usher to either fuck off or start choosing his own chipboard overcoat.
As I commented yesterday, they had handy chairs in their hands too !
Hmmm!
A few hours ago, I wrote a comment to Leo McKinstry’s article in the DT. I pressed submit and it completely disappeared.
It had the link to the official covid dashboard, so I thought maybe it was being modulated. I’ve just gone back to see if there was any progress.
While it was clear that the trolls were out in force when I was there earlier, apparently there have been no more comments at all. The ones still at the top have somehow been posted two hourse later than when I saw them there before.
No sign of my comment by the way!
I gave up posting at Mail Online when they started using similar tricks to alter the perceived state of reader opinion.
As most people have been forced to wear masks and the hysteria and ‘cases’ have either risen or have not helped, we now need to give herd immunity a chance to develop. How will we know if we carry on with muzzles. Although it does appear that muzzle wearing is a signal and the objective to all, including the government of compliance
There is no way masks are slowing the spread. Possibly speeding up and increasing the seriousness of infections but not slowing the spread. If masks were having any slowing effect we would have seen it by now,
agreed
Especially as most of the mask lovers wear the even more useless flowery cloth ones.
The advice here in Sturgeon land is that ‘face coverings’ will do,so-scarves, pulled up collars,niqabs, designer fabric maskettes,black bank robber masks-increasingly popular here, towels,anything goes..
None of it is of the slightest use, but is deemed essential by those in the know.
This to me,shows that this is propaganda and not an irrefutably established and valid protection measure.
How can a scarf etc possibly achieve anything other than disguising the wearer’s expression and ease of communication?
No wonder society’s norms are under threat.
This has probably been posted before, but here’s a paper published in the May 2020 edition of the CDC Emerging Infections Diseases journal.
The paper concludes that masks have no appreciable effect on the spread of influenza.
Paper: Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings — Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
By: Jingyi Xiao, Eunice Y. C. Shiu, Huizhi Gao, Jessica Y. Wong, Min W. Fong, Sukhyun Ryu, Benjamin J. Cowling
First published: 2020-02-06
Accessed from: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
“Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
“We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility.”
I saw the above paper mentioned in Ivor Cummins’ Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 18th video, at 16m30s.
Muzzles will have no effect one way or the other.
My Mum has been a regular visitor to the local doctors throughout lockdown – is known by her first name & has been told explicitly not to wear a mask, after nearly passing out in the surgery, when they did make her wear one! (My Mum is always one to make a point!)
Anyway, on my Mum complaining that things are getting worse, not better, as the months roll on, the GP agreed & said that my Mum is not the only one telling her this.
So, contacting GPs may well be a good plan & let’s face it, we need to do all we can, in whatever way we can.
“We would like however to report on the strange pneumonia epidemic that occurred in and around Brescia in Lombardy (Italy) between September and November 2018. As you may know, that is also the first epicenter of the current “Covid” epidemic in Europe. Only this one happened slightly more than a year before. It was extremely peculiar, and was extensively covered by the local press. Here were its main characteristics (references will be found below).
Local hospitals were overwhelmed: over 850 people were admitted in a short time span, among which at least 10 died. Astonishingly, the patients affected were 70% male. They were furthermore predominantly elderly, or with diseases that involve immunosuppression and/or other risk factors such as smoking. Children were barely affected . The patients that presented the most serious conditions suffered from respiratory distress and had to be put on ventilators.
Furthermore, health authorities at the time said this episode was unlike anything they had ever seen.”
https://coronacircus.com/2020/04/23/coronacirus-revisionism-chapter-1-the-strange-case-of-brescia/
Well, well, well – SARS-CoV-2 isn’t unique at all!
The Swiss Doctor page highlighted this back in late March. That part of Italy has terrible air quality during certain months. Not unlike Madrid, or New York, or London etc.
Unlikely to be Covid 19 then as smoking has a protective effect to that variant.
More than likeley another Coronavirus / flu combined with poor air quality.
There is an update on Simon Dolan’s latest application to Court for an injunction against the Government’s restrictions.
Here’s a cracking opening quote from the Statement of Facts:
Full text where that appears is here if you have time to kill this afternoon:
https://static.crowdjustice.com/group_claim_document/Statement_of_Facts__Grounds_as_filed_CJ.PDF
All the new papers filed are link at the bottom of the case page:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/
Also on his Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/NickyBenedetti/status/1313443822978859008
Live music at lunchtime today, interestingly they are playing Holst’s ‘Mars – The Bringer of War’…. prophetic?
Bring it on! Hope the judges are as happy to stick it to Boris et al as they were last year.
They won’t be they are on the side of the globalists
Perhaps they’ll play Jupiter (The joy bringer) at the end.
Mars will be unusually close tonight at 38.6 million miles away, the closest it will get to us for the next 15 years.
Thank you to all concerned including those sharing this. It is a mark of how strong responsible caring, thoughtful and above all reasonable humans can be. Light in the darkness. The core Dolan group who are doing a first class job under huge pressure, the support that everyone is lending to their effort is really something to see.
I think this may well succeed. Lord Sumption has said that he thinks they have incorrectly used provisions under the Public Health (control of disease) Act 1984 to issue statutory instruments mandating face masks, the rule of 6, the 10pm curfew etc. He believes this was deliberately done to avoid regular parliamentary scrutiny which would have occurred had they more correctly used The Civil Contingencies Act 2004. Of course if The Government lose, they may well enact the same legislation under the latter act but would be bound to bring each piece of legislation before Parliament!
Yes, I think a reasonable outcome to hope for is that the court rules their use of the 1984 Act is unlawful, therefore they will have to switch to using the Civil Contingencies Act, which at least requires some scrutiny. The Government can’t really complain of judicial overreach in this case, as they can still do everything they want – just with Parliament’s approval – as it should be.
They might still stiff us anyway, but at least we can see who voted for it.
What troubles me about that outcome is that at least currently I can scream and shout (for all the good it does me) about how the government is acting undemocratically.
But the minute parliament is involved in the “decision” process, my argument goes out of the window. “Look Mrs Cow, your democratically-elected representatives are now democratically representing you!”
But of course they won’t be representing me, any more than they were when they washed their hands of the whole thing and handed the reins over to Doris and his merry band of bell-ends.
The idea that we have anything remotely approaching a democracy in this country is laughable. So every four years I have the opportunity to vote for some dickhead who has no requirement to do anything I ask of them once they’ve benefitted from my vote? Super. I really feel democratically involved.
The only democracy we have in this country is the ability to decide where we spend our money, to whatever extent we can even do that.
Ugh. By the end of each news cycle, I feel as though my adrenal gland has been used as an accordion. I need to lie down.
In fairness, that’s how representative democracy works -you vote for a representative, and he or she represents you. He’s not a delegate bound to follow all your views.
The simple reality is that 67 million individuals can’t all have point by point control of government, and nor is it practicable (or desirable, probably) to have in effect a vote on every decision. But if there were a vote, it’s likely our fellow constituents would outvote us both on how our MPs should vote in the House, on the coronapanic, sadly.
The system is as good as any other, in theory, in an imperfect world. The problems we have are more to do with systemic issues such as culture, society and party structures etc, imo.
I absolutely agree with you. My frustration is that I feel that for matters that affect the entire country, representative democracy doesn’t cut it.
Putting aside the technical issues, to what extent would you be in favour of a digital referendum system, one where every person (16 or over) had the opportunity to vote on matters that affect everyone?
To my mind, that would at least allow everyone’s vote to count equally.
Currently, if I want to unseat my MP, I basically need to move to another electoral district because my MP polled more than twice their nearest competitor. It’s no surprise that my letters to that MP had no effect: they have no chance of ever losing their seat.
That’s what I mean about not living in a democracy.
Democracy is inherently an illusion, though it’s certainly arguable that it is “the worst form of government apart from all the others”.
I don’t much like referendums or direct democracy in practice. I think it fosters the illusion of control. In principle, it’s better to sit back and accept that things happen that you can’t control.
Unfortunately every so often the bastards do something that you can’t just accept, like this coronapanic catastrophe.
In theory direct democracy would act as a control on elected representatives, and it can be argued that it works that way in Switzerland for instance, but in practice most of the things my government does that I hate have widespread support and would probably win in a referendum, such as the coronapanic, or allowing officials to”take the knee” to nasty stuff like BLM, or allowing laws that infringe basic freedoms such as “hate speech” nonsense.
Because in practice people are heavily propagandised on these issues, to the extent that in many cases they don’t even realise they have been indoctrinated.
It’s really not much comfort when your government is doing something like the Iraq crime and blunder, or the coronapanic, to know that more than half of your fellow citizens have voted for it, so what real use is a referendum, digital or otherwise?
And external influence including bribery.
And not to watch/listen to ‘news cycles’, MC. 🙂
Civil Contingencies Act needs to be renewed in Parliament every 7 days I believe.
Yes, you can see how inconvenient that would be for Halfcock and Co.!
If course, that kind of inconvenience is exactly what is required for such enabling measures, to ensure they are only used when absolutely necessary. Which is why they were written into the Act.
You would think (if you’d never met an actual MP) that understanding that basic concept would be well within the capability of an elected representative. Then again, more fool us, collectively, for voting for these functional morons.
Indeed. Despite Hancock’s statement the other day that they would allow Parliament a vote on measures affecting the whole of England or The UK, I see they have pulled tomorrow’s vote on the 10pm curfew as it looked like they might lose it!!
Pretty transparent. In normal times, of course, the shameless manipulation in that would be pilloried in the media, but it’s likely many of the key parts will soft pedal the point, “for the greater good”. I think we can rely now on the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph and Spectator to put the boot in a bit, perhaps a polite tickle from the Times. The rest? Forget about the BBC, obviously.
This in Spectator update: Buffoon Johnson resorts to the direct approach of just taking the p*ss out of us all…..
“The speech was a deliberate attempt to be very upbeat. He began by promising the conference that by next year’s gathering, there would be no restrictions on the size of events and no social distancing, even indoors. This is of a piece with Johnson’s view that there will be a gamechanger by March, either a vaccine or instant spit testing. But if he is wrong, and there are still restrictions in place this time next year, the mood in the Tory party will be very bleak indeed.”
There will not be a Tory Party this time next year. Or a Parliament. Or a legal system. Just a board of technocrats overseeing the military/police/medical suppression orders.
Actually – thinking like a Tory (a strange experience) – I think I’d want Alex the Turk over a cliff in pretty short order.
By Christmas?
He is already on borrowed time, Rick. I want him alive though, because I want him brought to justice in full public view so this never happens again.
Agree with all of that. November is the ‘reset’, only need to figure out who will be steering for the next 9 months or so. Having watched Dishy Rishi – or is it the other way round? – being interviewed by Niall Patterson on Sky this morning, he is NOT PM material in my view.
The problem is, as always with our current political class, who is?
Johnson is worried about being outflanked by Sunak.
Well he’s doing a very good job of enabling it with his idiocy and bufoonery.
DavidC
I did not need to read that.
One of Christopher Hitchens’ list of over-rated things. Quite a good list although I like champagne.
Does anyone know if the Queen is still alive?
Good question…
Hancock denying treatment to people with serious diseases until his pet project covid is ‘under control’, surely that is under Crimes to Humanity.
https://twitter.com/JoshuaRozenberg/status/1313464590974496768?s=20
You know you’ve got a problem case when a narcissistic git of a joke prime minister in a democratic country starts on this tack. Translation :
“Mummy, Mummy, somebody wants to stop me being a prick and doing what I like. I’m King of the World, Mummy. ‘Snot fair.”
Mr Toad is so overwhelmed by that psychotic narcissism that his actions may be down to stupidity – but he’s a dangerous freak in any case. What I can’t work out is why anyone would have thought otherwise.
Johnson and Trump – the decline of the ‘anglosphere’
Dental Health news from the US re the health danger of mercury fillings (aka amalgam fillings/silver fillings)
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/06/fda-dental-amalgam-warning.aspx
One of my friends is a (now retired) dentist. we had a discussion some time ago about fillings and the modern materials used. He maintains that mercury fillings have various advantages over modern materials in terms of durability, longevity and stability and if he had a choice he would always choose mercury amalgam, the risks are/were minimal if any.
Newer does not always mean better. Unfortunately (driven as much by profits where consumers have to keep consuming) most people have bought into ‘It’s new, so it’s better, so I’ve got to have it’.
DavidC
The trouble is dentists are not necessarily expert on the effect of mercury on the rest of the body. Take fluoride for example. You are advised to go to hospital if you ingest too much as it is a poison. Yet every day millions brush our teeth and it enters our bloodstream as it passes through the thin skin of our mouth.
Take a look at Robert Kennedy jr website childrenshealthdefense.org for information on the effect on children. Fluoride was used in the gulags to pacify the inmates, being done to entire population here. Fluoride calcifies the pineal gland (your third eye) your bullsh*t detector. Also soft tissues. It adversely affects the hypothalamus gland which affect metabolism. After 10 years of trying to diet I gave up fluoride, aluminium (from deodorant) and chlorine (tap water) I lost 3 stone in 6 months without trying. This might be what is causing the obesity epidemic.
I take your point Anne, but flouride and mercury are not the same thing. Also, it’s an amalgam, not pure mercury – I for one would not want a pure mercury filling (even if it were possible).
Not all dentists are proponents of flouride.
DavidC
My gob is stuffed full of amalgam fillings. So is that of virtually any person aged 60 or over.
Hi everyone, not sure if this has been mentioned. Please take a look at the earth United website. This needs to be widely shared. This is a lawful route out of this tyranny.
Essentially after your birth and without full disclosure to you or your parents, when your birth certificate is issued you are declared to be a dead corporation, lost at sea. This corporation a legal person is then legislated for in Parliament. The Parliamentary statutes apply to this legal fiction. You as a man or woman are only bound by those laws (and as this was by fraud you are not bound) if you consent. They try to trick you into accepting their legal rules and regulations by the use of words that do not mean what you think they mean. Your name with all capital letters on your driving licence does not follow the rules of English. It attaches you to the legal fiction. Similarly adding Mr or Mrs etc.
It is a minefield. Take a look at Earth United where a Canadian and South African start to explain it. Also Common Law Court there is a recent explanation on the Charlie Ward YouTube site. Also look at Annavonreitz.com an American judge for her take. Please look read up on it and share urgently
This is an interesting thing indeed. Registering your “birth” under British Admiralty law as an asset of a corporation, a vessel at sea.
Yes still not sure of the best way out of it. A Notice to the government is a potential minefield with all the word trickery. I have signed up for Earth United and registered my birth certificate and claimed the legal fiction on the Common Law Court. They have practical information as to how to fight back. Anna Von Reitz has lots of detailed legal arguments and copies of notices she has sent to Congress the Vatican etc. Her article on the Cestui Que Vie act is the best I have seen. No coincidence it was enacted in 1666, the same year as the plague and the Great Fire of London.
This is Freemen of the Land propaganda and has no legal basis.
It has a lawful basis
https://twitter.com/UKurbanite/status/1313161286193221634
Seems like a good idea. Any suggestions?
Not wearing a mask works for me.
James Forsyth reports on Our Dear Leader’s promise that we’ve only got another year of social distancing and related bollocks to put up with, then we’ll be saved by either his “moonshot” daily testing or we’ll all get jabbed with his super-duper vaccine:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/johnson-looks-to-the-future-while-ignoring-the-present
Plus a windmill for everyone.
It was only 6 months the other day….
Good one for the waverers – ask them how long, and have they noticed they are being gaslighted?
This is good advice – thanks Julian, I shall be asking people.
I haven’t noticed anyone in my neck of the woods ant-social distancing for a long time.
She has been quite, did Charlie quietly bump her off when no one was looking?
Just been out in the car on an errand. Another car wanted to turn right, out of a petrol station, in front of me. Let them go. Driver behind them was wearing a muzzle. Didn’t stop for them.
Be careful with that. Honestly, I have tried it, “Revenge Driving” it’s a really bad idea.
Well I’d done my bit letting one out, so was under no further moral obligation. Sight of the muzzle always puts me off.
Remember in the event of a RTA, all you have to do is a” Officer I saw the other driver slump momentarily behind the wheel, he was wearing a mask”
Driving whilst impaired, could have suffered Hypoxia.
Apologies if this is a repeat post:
https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/10/05/removal-of-form-5-cremation-certificate-for-deaths-relating-to-covid-19-under-the-coronavirus-act/
Assuming that the Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill is passed, the state can now legally murder you, certify your death and cremate your body.
Basically…
Can we get Simon Dolan to tweet that out? I see that the numbers of people following him are growing!
So our amazing leader (NOT!!) is now revealing 95% fixed rate mortgages so everyone can own their home – DM headline
Is he on mind altering drugs? If you don’t have a job, you cant buy a home even if it is a 100% mortgage
I thought you said
“If you don’t have a jab….”!!!
Nice one, “Government promises millions of new jabs…”
Haven’t we been here before? The financial crisis of 2008 was in part caused by lots of money lent to people who didn’t have the means to service their mortgages.
Just what we need – another economic crisis!
I think we’ve got one already to be honest.
Precisely.
A sign of the times. The local rag has a clickbait headline –
Nicola Sturgeon: ‘What the Scottish Government is NOT proposing to do.’
Isn’t that just wonderful. Top classy raggery.
Matt Hancock warns cancer patients will only be treated if Covid-19 stays ‘under control’ – as he is savaged for ‘having no idea how many infected people are walking around’ after testing shameless saw 16,000 cases missed – DM headline
What? International Criminal Court in the Hague for him!!!!!
‘The NHS is open for busness’. R-i-g-h-t…
DavidC
Amazing on several fronts.
This generation of Cupid Stunts need to be brought back under control. I’m surprised that the Tory string-pullers in their clubs,with their aprons and rolled-up trousers – and wallets – have allowed it to get this far down Ridicule Road.
He is absolutely psychopathic.
Is Bill G telling him to kill as many as possible?
“If like me you’ve argued that the recent increase in daily cases is because we’re testing more people each day…”
Toby, PLEASE stop referring to ‘cases’. They are NOT cases! They are POSITIVE TEST RESULTS! In medical terms, a case is a symptomatic individual who may need hospitalisaion.
DavidC
An important point. I wish Toby would get this right.
A single reply from my MP to (all) my emails over the last fortnight – Awkward Git are you out there somewhere?
“Thank you for your emails.
I would first of all like to say that I am very sympathetic towards the points you have raised in your correspondence. Like my colleagues on the backbenches, I absolutely recognise that MPs must play a crucial role in scrutinising the response to ensure that the measures introduced are proportionate to the situation as it stands. I do believe that the Government’s response has so far been proportionate – because a lockdown was imperative in the first instance, and now the focus is on limited restrictions to protect personal safety but still allow us to work, attend school and socialise in a way that puts us on as strong as possible footing as we enter the winter months. However, there is a limit to what the public and the economy can withstand. And of course, there are many other consequences from restricting personal freedom which are of critical concern to me.
You may be aware that no amendments were selected, but the Government was receptive to the concerns raised by MPs from across the House. Over the last fortnight, Ministers met with MPs to find a sensible middle ground between ensuring Parliamentary scrutiny and the Government’s ability to act swiftly wherever necessary. Matt Hancock recently confirmed that where an introduction of measures will affect England or the whole of the UK, Parliament will be consulted – with a preceding vote wherever necessary.
This virus has seen the introduction of some uncomfortable measures in order to support our public health and it is only right that MPs have the ability to scrutinise Ministers on these on behalf of constituents who raise valid concerns.
Please rest assured I will be doing all I can to support my constituents to get the balance right and I am fully aware of the competing arguments on this issue.”
Well –
I’ve had nothing but automated replies from my MP since my first e-mail of 13th September.
I have always corresponded politely and concisely, and have never expected a detailed reply to every addendum that I have communicated regarding the facts surrounding parliamentary votes.
But I have had nothing except the usual knee-jerk ‘Covid makes it all difficult’ shit.
‘Waste of space’?
Too polite.
I’ve just finished dinner and feeling stuffed even if it was vegetarian.
Sent an e-mail to MP Deshi today just for the hell of it:
“I am not a constituent of yours but after seeing the petulant and childish behaviour of our Secretary of State for Health at the end of his reply to your question I thought I would send a message of support to you and I hope that you annoy him like this everytime you question him as it shows truly what sort of pathetic person he is and how he is not fit to hold public office.
I have written to him about various important facts he must answer to both the House of Commons and the people of this country but he has not even acknowledged the correspondence let alone attempted to answer them in any forum.
Add in here about the FOI from DHSC saying PCR test results mean nothing and included Whitty’s comments on 21 July about everything was under control before incarceration started etc”
then
“Feel free to use anything in the above in your role of Member of Parlaimeet and holding the Government to account over their wilful destruction of this country.
I have the FOI answers and other information available especially with regard to the way the legislation about coronavirus was introduced starting on 30th January 2020 and nor March 26th 2020 as is commonly believed to be the start of it all if you require it.”
Very eloquent as ever – thank you. Glad you enjoyed your tea!
At the moment too many sheeple think that the mask is the saviour of the human race, how could that be changed?
To wear a mask safely it should be 1 use & then throw away. They’re nice & cheap so what if people did just that, you wouldn’t have to wear them just put them EVERYWHERE!
Throw them on the floor, hang them from trees, railings, benches, road signs, if you’ve got a few £ do an airdrop, you get the picture.
They’re basically toxic waste & as appealing as poobags littering the pavement so could we change the image of them so the sheeple subconsciously think of them as the dirty germ infested rags they are as they step over them & see them piled high all over the place?
Maybe have a catchy slogan like “#DumptheMask” or something like that to give a cause to the protest?
They’re already littered all over the place now so if we really tried we could drown the county in them, anyone think this could work or am I barking? If nothing else it would give people a feeling of being able to at least DO something to show their anger?
Dr Hilary Jones now an anti masker on GMTV yesterday
What a great idea. Hang a few on railings, just like dog poo bags and see how long they stay there.
!
Bunter and his pals have a message for any of you who have relatives in a care home, or anyone who knows someone with cancer: “Say goodbye”.
Sadly.
DavidC
Ha! Another one gone. A friend. Reached that pithy “you’re not into conspiracy theories are you?” I had been relating me good news about Dr Reiner Fuellmich looking towards starting a class action and had unintentionally trigger said friend. I then added the words “10 times as many people are dying of flu”, and a friend turns and walks away.
Further on my way I met another friend whom I have not seen throughout. Really nice to cinversationally tumble through the layers of perceptions to get to the base that essentially something’s up and a finger points to the politicians.
Not appropriate to say more about politicians motivations – it’s very difficult sometimes to be happy with an incomplete status. Keeping a friend is worth it.
To be honest I couldn’t care less if my few remaining family and friends who still talk to me disowned me completely. I’m done with the facade of social acceptance.
Each to their own Richard. There is no point in alienating people. Or more correctly we each have limits of how much compromise we make before alienating people. I think that’s part of being human. I value a friend who has a really nice warm open mind over one who is just really nice.
A judgement might be made that by talking to such a level and sticking is more effective than talking about the fact that Kobe Bryants grave is at Corona del Mar* or whatever.
It is and what are the chances, really.
I think it depends on the friend. I had some that are enthusiastically complicit in the wickedness, who have refused to engage sincerely with my arguments. They are in my view beyond help and hope and bad for me and I will not have further contact with them.
Some have just started blanking me since I expressed scepticism. Again, they have been dropped – at least do me the courtesy of saying why you’re dropping me. It’s like I am some mad uncle spouting genocide – they are embarrassed.
Some have compared me to Hitler. They are also off the list.
Others I have kept, despite them not being especially sceptical, because they are decent human beings who are prepared to listen and argue, or who are simply innocently deluded and don’t have what it takes to educate themselves.
Strangely Julian you come across as one of the most level headed thinking people anyone could ever wish to meet.
I lost a friend by them literally turning and walking without and strong words or any confrontation simply what I recorded above.
It’s part of life I suppose and the wiser one becomes the easier to see the difficulty isn’t a reflection on the person.
I’ve broken contact with my family and 2 friends. Other friendships have significantly strengthened and I’ve made several new friends that I would not have made if it wasn’t for this plandemic… Hey ho.
I think Ivor Cummins video ‘Why are they doing this?’ is a good one to share…
Wanker…no other words
https://news.yahoo.com/rishi-sunak-suggests-uk-musicians-133604734.html
Dishi Rishi indeed. Another prick on board with the complete destruction humanity. Fuck off.
Hancock is now prioritising Covid over over Cancer, whilst the Blonde Blob is promoting gadgets. WTAF!?
An ex banker… Goldman Sachs no less. I trust him not one iota!
I thought Toby Young’s enthusiasm for Rich Goldman-Sunak was a bit delusional and premature.
The performing arts is one of the UK’s actual productive strengths, FFS – unlike funny-money banking that has bolloxed the economy.
What a massive turd of a cupid stunt.
Spot on about the performing arts Rick.
DavidC
We obviously don’t need the tax from the £100 billion a year the creative industries bring into this country?
Why would we need that, when we can just carry on getting all the money we need just by shaking the money trees in the magic money forest?
Wonder what Andrew Lloyd Webber will make of this? He was participating in a Covid vaccine trial…
What a dismal country we are creating. No music, theatres, gigs, comedy, nightclubs, sport, exhibitions, cinema, protests…
Well, “if it saves just one life…:
Okay, so ITV tweeted this and are now back tracking, possibly after instruction?
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1313449207995535362
So are the likes of Emma Thompson going to re-train as Covid wombles????
Parts of Johnson’s speech clearly written before all this crap started.
He’s talking, in parts, as if this has never happened.
https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/10/05/removal-of-form-5-cremation-certificate-for-deaths-relating-to-covid-19-under-the-coronavirus-act/amp/?__twitter_impression=true IS THIS A ROGUE GOVERNMENT
Posted this a few days ago but no one replied so I think it got missed!
That makes so much more sense than the original!
When killing people is Government policy
By Peter Lloyd Conservative Woman October 6, 2020
NO Conservative Prime Minister can survive if he or she is taking decisions that are contrary to the interests of most people in the country. The Covid-19 measures which Boris Johnson is forcing on the public are clearly against those interests, and worse is being planned.
The health, education, employment, finances and social and mental wellbeing of the population is being destroyed for the illusory goal of stopping the spread of a coronavirus that is essentially harmless to 99 per cent of the population, and lethal almost exclusively to the elderly with serious underlying medical conditions, as are many strains of seasonal flu. Much of the damage being wreaked is disguised by the Chancellor’s furlough scheme and other taxpayer-funded handouts, but revealed through an explosion of government debt which will have severe negative consequences for all of us, particularly future generations.
The ramping-up of virus tests with the dubious PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methodology is inevitably showing more ‘cases’ which in reality may be just harmless fragments of the Covid-19 (or other) coronavirus RNA that can’t be transmitted to others. These are not infections and certainly not illnesses. The bar on proof of infection is too low. The government refuses to acknowledge that this increase in cases is largely due to the increased testing, and allows the message to embed in the surrounding narrative that a positive test – which may also be a false positive – is equivalent to being ill when the overwhelming majority of those who are Covid-19 positive don’t become ill, let alone die.
It is in the business of exaggeration and fearmongering along with most of the mainstream media. The most important measure of what is happening medically is surely the number of deaths that can be attributed, to a greater or lesser extent, to Covid-19. The graph below from the Office for National Statistics (taken from the ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ latest newsletter) gives the up-to-date figures, showing that Covid-19 attributed deaths since June are running well below those of flu/pneumonia, and that the total weekly UK death numbers from these lung-related infections are running in line with the five-year average.
As fast as the numbers of those seriously ill, and the daily death toll from the virus, are declining, the risk of other undiagnosed and untreated serious illnesses and deaths is rising because of the lockdown mentality still affecting the NHS and other public services, encouraged by government. On Saturday 66 GPs wrote to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, urging him to treat non-Covid deaths as equal to those from Covid. The doctors know that this is not happening at present. For reasons of projecting an image of action and having illusory control over the path of the virus, only Covid deaths matter to the government.
The doctors’ letter reports that there have been more than 30,000 excess deaths in private homes since March, but fewer than one in ten are caused by Covid-19. They are also concerned that ‘the pandemic has resulted in an inflation of acute cardiovascular deaths, most of which did not relate to Covid-19’. They also point to a report suggesting that child suicide rates increased during lockdown and, for these doctors, harm should be measured as more than Covid deaths.
There is so little pressure from the Conservative Party, MPs and the media for the government to act rationally and in the interest of the country as a whole that the government doesn’t feel it has to explain why non-Covid-19 deaths and serious untreated illnesses don’t matter. It has a monomaniacal obsession with Covid-19 which demonstrates how unaccountable the government is to the overall public interest. There is no rigour left in our system of parliamentary and public accountability, which needs a major overhaul. Far more people are dying because of the government’s measures than are being saved by them. The wholesale destruction of society is taking place for no significant gain in health or mortality and it is government policy.
And they will still say that it could have been worse, no words for any of them and the whole of our rogue Parliament
The Government has been accused of “running scared” after a vote on the 10pm ‘coronavirus curfew’ for pubs and restaurants tomorrow night was quietly dropped.
Dozens of Tory rebels had been threatening to vote against the order that all pubs, bars and restaurants in England must close amid claims that it is not grounded in scientific evidence
So it must lapse?
The Scientific Evidence : The Virus is only around after 10pm
Ministers ‘running scared’ as curfew vote pulled amid looming Tory rebellion
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/06/boris-johnson-rule-6-vote-10pm-curfew-brexit-news-latest/
Bastards!
Edit: You just beat me to it, Sir Patrick 🙂
Remember – the DTs is behind a paywall for most of us.
What’s the story?
Sorry, Rick.
Many thanks, Ceriain. Much appreciated.
It was that detail of the mechanism that I didn’t have my head around.
I think we see here the power of the executive to stuff parliament – one of the main issues in the constitutional reform debate – and we’ve also seen Mr Toad trying to undermine the Rule of Law.
All very sinister – and, essentially, fascist.
I think my scepticism about the minor concession made last Wednesday is well founded – as is the scepticism about MPs actually having the balls to carry through rightful checks and balances.
I include the opposition in my skepticism – at least chocolate fireguards can stave off hunger. But Starmer’s Labour just becomes more and more irrelevant every day. Bleating about ‘scientific evidence’ at this stage is like swearing at the porter because you turned up for your train 5 hours late.
The executive is playing dirty to bypass parliament, but parliament was and is compliant. They had their chance – if they wanted to assert their authority they could have voted against the renewal of the act.
Exactly
Indeed. Like I said at the time, Parliament and MPs deserve all the disrespect they get from the government, since they excluded themselves from relevance by their own vote.
You can ‘escape’ the paywall, even better if you ‘escape’ it twice while loading.
shhhh…. don’t want them fixing that
They are in a complete mess
Same as they threatened to vote against last week.
Total bullshit, they will all chicken out when threatened.
Having just spent the morning in a central London hospital followed by lunch in a hotel restaurant I can say that although on entry to both there was a polite request to put on a mask (on 3 separate occasions in the hospital as we went through to different departments) all were very apologetic when i said that I was exempt – in fact on all occasions they started to apologise as soon as i started speaking before even saying the word exempt.
It almost felt like some fellow lockdown sceptics had gone before me and given them a lesson in the guidance and equality laws 🙂
I know it can be daunting but to anyone who goes mask free you are doing a huge service to the countless thousands of people who don’t quite have the courage yet (which was me until today) – so thank you to all those who went before me as without you I wouldn’t have had the courage either.
This is good.
I chickened out and wore a mask in Tesco on Monday morning. Shouldn’t have done it, I regret it.
I just don’t fancy getting my head stamped on by a fat ignorant zealot wearing a tracksuit if you know what I mean…
I am about to brave Dukes hotel sans mask. Wish me luck.
I’m having no problem on the district line without one. I’m fully socially distanced but that’s because many tube passengers in my experience don’t appear to have heard of soap, rather than any fear of the virus.
Next time don’t take a muzzle with you!
You may find a better dressed zealot in Waitrose
Other way round surely
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html
CDC finally published the paper stating airborne transmission possible but rare. They say that it is rare and most transmission is droplet spread. They go into arguments that C-19 unlikely to be mostly airborne spread due to the pandemic’s rather slow development. But they don’t deny it completely. A bit surprising is the final paragraph which show a bit more humility incl. doubts about masks perhaps
Interesting that it was published the same day when the following letter was also published.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/02/science.abf0521/tab-pdf
This states that airborne transmission is the main spread
“Individuals with C-19 many of whom have no symptoms release thousands of virus-lade aerosols and far fewer droplets when breathing and talking. Thus one is far more likely to inhale aerosols than be sprayed by droplet”
We all know that masks do not stop at all small particles with virus passing through the mask. They might stop droplet but not small particles.
Perhaps can explain the paradox that with facemasks and at the same time stopping the distance separation, which seems to have happened in Spain and France, could lead to more infections. The people with face nappies are standing too close and airborne transmission takes place going freely through the mask.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000d28j/storyville-jonestown-terror-in-the-jungle-episode-2
Telling and prescient quote from one of the Jonestown survivors at the end of this superb documentary:
“There are many lessons to be learned from Jonestown. I look at the world today, I look at the environment that we’re in, and I see this parallel. And I look at how People’s Temple began. It began in a time where there was a socio-political change, but it was also based on fear. We are in the same type of environment, if not worse, that could generate something much, much more dangerous than Jonestown. It could happen again.“
Cult City is a great book on Jones and his relationship with the San Francisco Democrat establishment including Pelosi, Willie Brown and the ghastly Harvey Milk.
Would that be the same Willie Brown who is linked directly to Kamala Harris?
“Willie Brown, longtime speaker of the California state assembly, a mayor of San Francisco, and the mentor of Senator Kamala Harris, was especially lavish in his praise of Jones, calling him “a combination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Angela Davis, Albert Einstein, and Chairman Mao.””
https://www.city-journal.org/jim-jones-san-francisco
‘Mentor’ is a very expansive word in this case!
Appreciate the recommendation.
And Jerry Brown (ex Govenor)
Jonestown was CIA.
Disappointed, but not surprised, that this is not more commonly known.
Health Passports for Ireland, Who’s Next?
https://youtu.be/U88ZKJhztiM
The validity of your test will expire and you will need to redo the test to go to green again
Your vaccine status will be kept
https://www.healthpassportireland.ie
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/06/health-passports-for-ireland.aspx
They need to fuck right off. And then they need to fuck off some more.
Tagged and tracked like cattle.
I have to ask: Why stop at covid? Why not norovirus in case you give someone the shits because you didn’t wash your hands? Why not influenza? And a whole host of other “nasties”
and then fuck off over there. And when they get there fuck off even more. And keep fucking off until they get back here. And then they can fuck off again.
It’s a shame I can only upvote you once.
Just added one on your behalf.
Added one each for both of you. Apt and succinct
And there we have it. The Endgame. Well done population of the world – you got what you deserved.
Time for me to start planning on how to survive as a member of the Underclass…
Yes I accepted months ago that I would never be boarding a plane again, but that looks like the least of my worries now.
Killing, and if needs be eating, the Overclass ? 🙂
There is a legal challenge to try to head off Health Passports in the UK here:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/join-the-legal-challenge-to-st/
Not as much publicity as Dolan’s case, but might help.
Your only hope is that it will end up like most UK IT projects – over budget, under delivered, non-functional that it gets quietly dropped. This sort of thing needs opposing just like the ID card because ultimately it is ID cards by another route
Yes, I’m hoping they’ll balls it up like they do with every other Government IT project. I’d be concerned if they outsourced it to a company that does actually know the difference between MySQL and Excel.
This thing seems to have been developed by the ROQU Group. Never heard of them, anyone know anything about them?
https://www.healthpassportireland.ie/the-roqu-gropu
It’ll no doubt be run off window 95 and excel
That is why the Track & Trace bill is £10BN
Thanks. Donated. And passed on.
Right on schedule, right on plan, as stated etc but us sceptics are all nutters.
Now I know what David Icke et al really feel like and are up against.
“Your Covid-19 test will be performed by highly accurate seriological or swab tests…”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Just ignore that hi-vis jacket with Serco written on it..
“After your test, an authorised healthcare administrator creates your health passport…”
And creates a thriving blackmarket for hackers.
Are we sitting here watching this together, Mr Dee; certainly looks like. 🙂
Yep. I love the colourful cartoony vibe of it. Makes me feel like I’m three years old.
“If you’re in the same masonic lodge as your GP, a positive test will be disregarded with a swift handshake.”
“Your log-in details will be e-mailed to you immediately, with a link to download your health passport mobile app.. if you have no Internet access or only own one of those old pathetic Nokias, one of our Health Passport Representatives will be despatched to escort you to your new home in one of our prestige Nightingale Hotels.”
“We can all use the Health Passport in many ways: Travel, Hospitality, Education, Health Care, Construction, Offices, Entertainment, Visits.”
At least we’ve now been told what we’ll be denied if we don’t behave.
“Naturally, the validity of your Covid-19 test will expire over time, so you have to pay again and again and again and again for the privilege to be retested. No money, no problem – you’ll be sent to one of our many recreational facilities where you can be tested again and again at no expense, until your funds become available.”
“Your status will move to amber when your test period has expired, as you’ll be presumed to be an infectious sack of putrescent filth until we say otherwise.”
.., . forgers. organised crime, etc.
There will be one inevitable outcome from health passports and that is a heavily segregated society. Anyone condoning it, is living in cuckoo land.
I know that George Orewll’s 1984 is oft referred to here but I see this as turning out to be more like “Brave New World” where the genetically modified humans (via vaccine in this instance) are separated from the “savages” on the reservation.
Which conveniently is currently on Sky.
We will be the Epsilons.
I ve been dismissed in the past for suggesting such a thing. Look at what is happening in Ireland. Dismiss that.
I also posted this link here ages ago and was roundly told that it was nothing..
While people are arguing about the smokescreen that is testing, this government are doing much worse!
PCR testing IS the pandemic
The ultimate excuse for everything they’re getting away with. Hence why they don’t like talking about it.
Question for Mayo…
Is Infection Fatality Rate the same as Case Fatality Rate?
you asked ”So do we have low or high case numbers and is the IFR 0.1% or 3%”
I think it was Ivor Cummings who spotted that maybe there was confusion at Imperial between the two
The CFR is the proportion of people diagnosed with a disease that die from it. The IFR is the proportion of people exposed to the infection who die. Obviously the latter is more difficult to determine, especially for a disease like SARS-CoV-2 as so many don’t show symptoms and don’t know they’ve been exposed to it.
Yes and it’s a bit confusing. When we compare it to the flu we are really saying do comparible numbers of people die if we assume it infects the population in the same type of way.
Which is what the modellers also use – an influenza model
Sorry – my fault – I understand that – the Q was for Mayo who earlier talked about ‘cases’ and relating them to ‘IFR’
Sorry it wasn’t Ivor Cummings, it was…
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/04/covid-why-terminology-really-matters/
No – see below
Quick answer back from one borough council in response to today’s FOI request”
“Dear Sir
In response to your request for information, I write to advise you that XXXXX Borough Council does not hold the requested information and as such you will need to re-direct your enquiry to XXXX County Council”
Which I have already done.
So it says “not us, big boys made us do it”.
OK I just looked at todays weekly update
Looking at the year-to-date (using the most up-to-date data we have available), the number of deaths up to 25 September 2020 was 453,771, which is 53,888 more than the five-year average. Of the deaths registered by 25 September, 52,856 mentioned COVID-19 on the death certificate, 11.6% of all deaths in England and Wales.
I will have another look at this later The figures for September(running total) are below the 5 year average.
Yet all cause mortality above 5 year average as jumped to 53,888(Sept 25th) from 34064 (August)
Confused – please correct me if I am wrong!
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending25september2020
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2020
I think you’re making this far too complicated, Steeve.
Bottom line : current all cause mortality is running at the norm for the past five years, and at the minimum for a 27 year period.
In short – there is nothing exceptional happening.
Just graph it, and it becomes clear – particularly if you correct for population.
Just my little pet project – the government figures seem to be out by 20,000
I would expect all-cause mortality to rise in the coming months due to untreated or unrecognized cancers, heart problems etc.
100% agree it’s not a left-right thing. This issue makes every other political issue I’ve ever argued about seem completely trivial in comparison.
After watching that funeral and listening to Hancock today, my covid acceptance days are over, stuff them, this is a rogue government hope they burn in hell.
So can all their supporters.
Which funeral?
I’m guessing this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wchPE4ujaZI
“Let me introduce you to Donald A. Henderson (1928-2016). He was the twentieth-century’s most acclaimed disease eradicator. In particular, he is credited with ridding the world of smallpox. He was born in Lakewood, Ohio, son of a nurse and an engineer. He went to Oberlin College for undergraduate and graduated in medicine from the University of Rochester. He trained two more years at the Epidemic Intelligence Service of the Communicable Disease Center, and moved to Geneva to head the World Health Organization’s division focussed on smallpox.”
…………
“At the age of 78, Dr. Henderson swung into action and composed a masterful response to the new fashion for quarantines and lockdowns. The result was Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza. Henderson, though listed last, was the primary author along with co-authors Thomas V.Inglesby, epidemiologist Jennifer B. Nuzzo, and physician Tara O’Toole.
Here is the riveting conclusion:
Below we provide a full version of the article. It should help us all to better manage epidemics in the future.”
https://www.aier.org/article/how-a-free-society-deals-with-pandemics-according-to-legendary-epidemiologist-and-smallpox-eradicator-donald-henderson/
[add sound of urine trickling down leg] “But, but, but, but….masks science masks science hands face space flatten the curve break the circuit masks masks masks vaccine.“
Ooh, that would be something good for our sceptics with Twitter to tweet out!
That UPMC biosecurity article is one of the best arguments for our cause.
Ships are known to confuse whales. I wonder about the frequencies of these turbines.
60,000 jobs isnt going to go far as a green recovery.
Today’s bullshit is out: reported deaths – 76; “cases” – 14,542.
were any of the victims healthy or under 80?
What do you think?
England hospital deaths.
Date 0-19 20-39 40-59 60-79 80+
01/10/2020 0 0 2 20 18
02/10/2020 0 0 5 14 17
03/10/2020 0 0 1 16 12
04/10/2020 0 0 0 7 11
05/10/2020 0 0 0 3 4
So how many of these went to hospital seriously ill (heart probs, car accident, cancer, etc) and were tested positive entering hospital?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8738621/Manchester-NHS-hospital-saw-18-Covid-19-deaths-week-fights-outbreak.html
Has anyone done an up to date graph of positive tests as a % of tests done? They are ramping up testing numbers, so whenever people talk about an increase in “cases” we need to put it into context for them
Always stick to Farr’s edict :
“The death rate is a fact; anything beyond this is an inference.”
… Tests are just one big and inaccurate assumption.
Yes, quite agree. I think tests are largely irrelevant, but they are used against us. So one counter argument is to point out that the raw numbers are misleading. But maybe you’re right – best to avoid the whole subject by declaring it irrelevant. It’s a hard argument to sell to deluded people though – they are now obsessed with cases.
This is a Covid screening programme, namely the testing of asymptomatic individuals. When have we ever screened for a coronavirus? Then the numbers are being used to maintain lockdown measures that should only be justifiable for an epidemic of a virulent, contagious killer virus. It’s an insane and un reversible situation. It’s always going to be out there until we stop testing people that aren’t ill and don’t require treatment.
But the death rate isn’t a fact if they are lying about the real cause of death.
Problem is, Julian, they give us tests completed numbers, not people tested numbers. Then we get ‘case’ numbers, i.e. individuals.
How many of these actually occurred yesterday? Does it really matter any more? They will give us whatever figures they need to justify extending the restrictions.
The testdemic will explode even more once every university gets a test centre.
1,300 deaths per day in the UK…move along…nothing to see.
Isn’t it 1600/1700 ?
First child with mask induced impetigo.
Link? Want to send to the school. They WILL rue the day . . .
I saw the child face to face today in clinic.
Oh I see – sorry- thought you’d seen a report. Thank you though.
What dud you say to the parent(s)?
Strange that there’s always an upsurge when a parliamentary vote is anticipated.
I’m convinced a backlog is now being saved so it can be stuffed when required.
Don’t ever doubt it!
I think we can take that as a given!
NHS asking for yet more money!!
Boris Johnson has been warned he must give the NHS more money and not pursue a “have our cake and eat it” policy of thinking it can deliver Covid care within existing budgets.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/06/nhs-in-england-cannot-cope-without-more-funds-pm-told
What fucking covid care?
The mythical second wave only ever 2-6 weeks around the corner.
… and counting 🙂
…the lag!….the lag!!!
It’s practically shutdown. NHS Doing Less for More since March 2020.
They’ve already had millions per patient on the Nightingales.
The twat needs to be put out of his delusional misery. Nobody deserves to be as stupid as this. Especially if they impact on the rest of us.
Anybody got a spare straight jacket?
Seriously – I’ve disagreed with a few politicians over time. But I’ve never come up against any as irremediably – or perversely – stupid as this lot of hand-jobs.
Just a thought – I’m currently watching most/manypeople’s favourite programme : ‘The Repair Shop’. This bunch of politicians are the symbolic opposite : give them something to work on and they will reduce it to a pile of matchwood and other debris.
Apologies if this has been posted before, but check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM
The only thing this passport nonsense will help is the bedwetters
You miss the point. Read this!
https://medium.com/@aarondavidsonn/the-health-passport-a-green-light-for-tyranny-545298e108d
Thanks for posting the link. I wasn’t aware that things were at such an advanced state. Fuck!
Thanks for the link. That is why the Track & Trace cost a massive £10BN, its the health passport. Already implemented in Ireland (see my post below). Be afraid, be very afraid.
Scary stuff!
205 thumbs up, 10K thumbs down. Fair indication of what people think of that shit?
Definitely, it’s good to see. The old classic “Comments are turned off” as well.
Not content with answering the MP from Slough when challenged about track and trace with “I will not have divisive questions I will not have it”
now he’s answering with one word answers complete cretin
https://youtu.be/xei_xfrk0XA
“I will not have it”
Does he think he is not accountable to the people through parliament.
He is our employee and will answer our questions.
Could ask him if he’s a moron. That wouldn’t divide much opinion.
Just in case you haven’t seen the I will not have it about 2.13 in
https://youtu.be/jY_4i84_8UU
Wow! The arrogant sh*t!!
So the little turd thinks he’s unaccountable???
He’s got a god complex little twat that he is
And it’s all on record. To be played back at his trial.
Hi all,
I’m currently drafting a poster featuring facts about the positivePCRtestdemic to display around my university’s campus. Would people mind linking me to some hard-hitting facts about these issues, please? I need them to be short and snappy for easy reading comprehension:
Thanks!
Cheers CM, sadly I don’t use Twitter. I’ll try going through this site’s archives to see what I can find.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/31/uk-coronavirus-job-losses-the-latest-data-on-redundancies-and-furloughs
Although it might be worth holding off until the end of furlough for this, when redundancies will probably skyrocket.
Perfect, thank you!
You’re welcome! More power to your elbow.
Might it be worth sharing the graph and stats from US universities showing that of 70.000 positive cases there, only 3 people were hospitalised and none died?
Start with explaining Cases = Positive PCR tests = 1) majority are false positives that include the so called asymptomatic 2) many with mild symptoms and will be better soon 3) small number of hospitalisations 4) small number of deaths – mostly those with core morbidities
Do you have a source for the positive PCR tests? Not disagreeing with it at all, just struggling to find an article that lays the issue out clearly and in simple terms.
Suggest Ivor Cummins on YouTube for info on the casedemic and some of the pointless pcr test nonsense
These links might help for finding arguments for the student audience demographic:
Keep Universities Open (@KeepUnisOpen) / Twitter
Young People Against Lockdown (@YoungPALD) / Twitter
Beyond that, just make sure to cite the sources on the corner of thsoe flyers, students are taught to look out for citations and will find the poster more persuasive if you add in hyperscripted little wikipedia style ^[numbered references] beside your facts and small text att the bottom giving well known web sources (direct ONS data, good, major media sources, good (so long as not the few which many students are brainwashed into thinking of as right wing propaganda, even though they’ve had some of the best anti-lockdown articles), anti-lockdown articles in journals and academic papers, very good(some of the arxiv ones are good, there was a nice paper a while back about “vets wouldn’t hande covid like this”, also good )
Labour MPs finally grow some teeth? unfortunately, not about covid!
A total of 20 Labour MPs rebelled against the party leadership at the second reading of a bill confirming MI5’s right to let informants commit crimes in pursuit of intelligence material.
Keir Starmer wanted his party to abstain on the security bill but the Socialist Campaign Group, led by the party’s former leader Jeremy Corbyn, defied the whip and voted against it on Monday night – the second rebellion in less than a fortnight.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/05/mi5-bill-prompts-second-labour-rebellion-in-two-weeks-jeremy-corbyn
It’s an important vote actually, the authorisation of individuals to commit crimes on behalf of the state is proposed to be extended to multiple state agencies, including (of course) the Department of Health and Social Care.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9012/
And it seems hardly a coincidence about the timing of this change
Hancock running scared? Does the bill pre-date the Crimes against Humanity video?
You think it’s Corbyn who was the danger to civilization?
Think again.
Yes he is … just because he and Labour aren’t in government – just imagine if they had been elected and had started on their programs to nationalise various businesses – water supply, railways, Royal Mail, which would involve borrowing huge sums of money … then the pandemic hits and they do the same thing as the Conservatives, which means borrowing even more huge sums of money.
Then there are ‘stinkshon Rebellion’ ‘BLM’ etc also a danger to society and I just heard yesterday that the Lib Dumbs have decided to support the Universal Basic Income proposal.
I actually prefer Corbyn to Starmer, because at least Corbyn believes in something even if I disagree with almost all of it. Starmer is another dead-eyed Blair scumbag.
The reality is that if we had had a Labour government this year, whether Corbynite or Blairite we would have got all the same coronapanic bullshit, plus lots of the kind of bollocks you describe.
No matter how bad things are, they can actually always be worse, in practice.
What was the result of the vote?
Interesting anecdotal. A company I’ve signed up for some casual work for sent out an email earlier saying that it was compulsory for staff to QR scan for track and trace at events. I didn’t respond but it seems that many other people did and they have backed down. There’s perhaps more opposition out there than I thought.
Would be very interested in forcing my employer to sign a “we will not pass your details to track and traitors even if your colleagues get it and are foolish enough to get tested” agreement. Getting this sort of thing widespread could have the makings of a good campaign, especially when business can be educated to realsie the harm that track and traitors can do to them.
A news report says the European people are “fatigued” by lockdown but have been told by their respective governments that they must revive efforts to combat the virus.
What people all over the world need to do is ignore this ever increasing insanity and take to the streets if that’s what it takes.
Every country on the planet is fatigued by this shit, not just Europeans.
Of course,except the Swedes and a few other RATIONAL countries.
They’re fatigued of having the rest of the world act so stupidly, and of all the problems this causes for any cross-border business. Plenty of Swedish companies will be furious at foreign governments who’s lockdowns have stopped their (foreign) suppliers sending them stock and/or their (foregin) buyers being able to receive it. This, by the way, is why Sweden, despite a perfect policy on the pandemic, has still suffered some level of economic harm.
NZ seems ok. A friend is just annoyed that travel abroad is restricted
FFS: “combat”. It’s the most pernicious idea – that a virus can be combatted.
What have the sceptics been saying all along?
Just like drugs and terrorism can be combatted. Different record, same tune.
People do take to the street. They just don’t show it on mainstream media. They don’t want people to know what’s going on in other countries.
I tried to book a doctors appointment to have my coil removed. They actually said I need a telephone consultation for that! Obviously I have to attend an appointment in person to get that physically removed so the phone consultation is a ridiculous waste of time. They better not be phoning me to tell me they can’t do it due to covid. Wouldn’t surprise me if they were to deprive me of my choice to reproduce, the government have taken everything else from us.
Indeed he is sick. Because the whole premise of his statement is based on the fact increases in hospital admissions for covid are implicit in the increase in “cases”. Still two weeks after the Beavis and Butthead show hospital admissions are not tracking “cases” like they were in April. In fact Hancock is being disingenuous and mendacious in the extreme given that covid isn’t even in the top 10 of deaths anymore.
If they are now routinely testing everyone admitted to hospital, then we will always have positive hospital admissions and the numbers will track the number of overall admissions and the % of the general population that are positive. It’s a meaningless stat, assuming that is what they are doing. They are not hospitalisations due to covid.
Agreed.
Thanks TFE – I knew it reminded me of something, and you’ve just provided the answer !
Another day in Stockholm.
Various people have gone out about the Swedes being more distant. I haven’t found that at all. I have found them warm and friendly and not afraid to get close to strangers. Of course, the sample is not representative as the more distant ones would tend to be out and about less.
I got a haircut today – lady that did it offered me her hand to shake, unprompted.
Lots of shops and public transport visited today – tiny numbers in masks – maybe 20 or 30 out of thousands.
Talking at more length to people in shops, hotels, hair salons, bars, cafes – some are very sceptical, others less so, but all seemed happy with the measures being taken in Sweden. Have been telling them how bad things are in the UK so they are ready to push back if the government starts to increase restrictions.
The people I have spoken all seemed well educated and intelligent. Some were worried at the start but now realise it’s not such a big deal. They may have pushed back had the government gone more in another direction, they may not. I suspect many would have gone along with it. It shows how important leadership is, in my view.
Simon Dolan tweeted something along the lines of “if you could transport people to Sweden, they would soon change their tune” and I was thinking the same thing. I think all but the most zealous would throw away the masks, and break the rule of six.
I LOVE SWEDEN!!!!!!
DON’T WE ALL?
My wife’s DNA test showed that she is 34% Scandinavian, do you think that would cut any ice with the Swedes?
These stories of Swedish normality are simulataneously encouraging and depressing.
Sorry
Same for me
This whole Covid episode has revealed so much about our society and what it really is, as well as about those with whom we live.
Admittedly not pleasant – but still strangely liberating.
This is one of the few positives I can salvage from this horror show. The truth has been brutally revealed. My two principle takeaways are:
Neither of those statements are true Richard.
I agree, but equally see what calchas and Richard O are getting at.
The whole business has clarified a few important things that should have been clear to me years ago. It’s never too late to learn.
I disagree No. 2 is unquestionably true because the proof of the pudding
is in the eating. And it makes me want to vomit everyday!
2 is true if you add “Almost” beforehand, I can’t think of any specific institutions of society which haven’t rotted to the core amid this panicdemic, but I’m sure there will be a few. Words like “all” make a statement easier to prove false.
It is an apocalypse in the true sense of the word – an unveiling. Turns out that the cost people are prepared to bear in order to pass our civilisation on to generations to come is approximately zero.
But you’re right – depressing and liberating.
I agree.
Really? How do you find it liberating?
Truth revealed by extreme circumstances.
I see. It’s not fun being ‘awake’ when most of the population are determined to remain mentally and physically enslaved though.
Agreed!
… but one cannot unlearn.
There’s always lobotomy. That’ll be on the NHS soon.
Most of the sheeple were evidently lobotomised at birth. No further intervention is necessary.
I refer you to the reply I gave to Calchas.
Indeed it is.
It’s like when you lose your job and you don’t have to care any more.
We’ve all been there, haven’t we?
In a way, I’m glad I was red-pilled about my former employer. Some otherwise intelligent people are so deep in the governmental matrix it’s crazy.
Just noticed that in the GB Declaration video, none of the professors are distanced nor wearing masks. A small point but made me happy nonetheless.
Also noticeable that the declaration itself makes no reference to masks. Great stuff!
Prof Gupta on Talk Radio now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9EM9H6GlYI
just after 5pm UK
who’s this nadhim zahawi? ffs
So the vote to throw out the 10pm curfew has been dropped! What then was the Brady deal all about? It seems that if the Government think they’re going to lose a vote they simply don’t have one!
Really? They did that!? What? What the hell. This government has put parliamentary process on hold. It’s so wrong.
‘Quietly dropped’ the report in the Telegraph said!
The Government has been accused of running scared after a vote on the 10pm curfew for pubs and restaurants widely expected tomorrow night was quietly delayed.
Dozens of Tory rebels had been threatening to vote against the order that all pubs, bars and restaurants in England must close amid claims that it is not grounded in scientific evidence.
But the 10pm curfew vote, which MPs on all sides of the House had expected tomorrow evening, will now held at a later date.Instead MPs will vote on whether to approve lockdown restrictions in the north of England.
A vote on the rule of six – which a handful of Tory MPs are expected to rebel against – will go ahead as planned tonight.
Ministers have to ask MPs to approve coronavirus lockdown measures in simple unamendable ‘yes/no’ votes in the House of Commons within 28 sitting days of them coming into force.
Labour, who were also expecting the curfew vote tomorrow evening, had not said if it would vote for the measure, instead calling for ministers to publish the scientific evidence underlying it.
Sir Christopher Chope, one of the rebels, told The Telegraph that the Government was running scared.
He said: “Although they talk the talk because they want to have Parliament deciding these issues, if it looks as though Parliament is going to decide them in a way they don’t like they deny Parliament the chance.”
Tory MP Steve Baker, the unofficial rebels’ whip, added: “It is not clear what the evidence is to support the 10pm curfew or that it is effective. With Hospitality UK describing the combined impact of the measures as ‘devastating’, the Government should think again.”
The rebel Conservatives MPs, who had been due to meet at lunchtime today to plot their next steps, were emboldened by comments from Rishi Sunak questioning the wisdom of the measure yesterday. This morning the Chancellor said the curfew was “better than having places closed.”
Government sources insisted a vote on the curfew had never been planned for Wednesday.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/06/boris-johnson-rule-6-vote-10pm-curfew-brexit-news-latest/
Is there a link there to Simon’s case? That by holding it then Simon might have an advantage next week?
Shocked. Shocked I tell you.
I pity the poor fools who thought last week that Brady and Baker had won some sort of concession.
“Vote quietly dropped” doesn’t sound like democracy in aciton to me!
Just like the court cases, any chance of proper scrutiny is blocked.
Did they not hold a vote then?
Just listened to the question to Hancock yesterday about Track and trace, a detailed question which was answered with NO. Unbelievable.
He knows everything he’s saying is nonsense so he’s retreated into the petulant child act.
The problem is the lack of proper journalism – which would have quickly shown him to be the wanker that he is.
Richard Madeley, always been proud of his journalist training is getting a lot of traction now, speaks a lot of sense.
To be fair, he has been shown to be wanker more than once.
He was playing to the Tory gallery. They were as bad!
I just saw that Stella Creasy asked him another question that he did not answer, replying that she was ‘not being “sensible” asking why he failed to put any penalty clauses for poor performance in the contracts with private companies to run test and trace.’
The arrogance of the man – grrrr!
Honestly I hate to sound defeatist, but I wouldn’t bother with GPs – unless you count private ones.
In the last 20 years, almost every GP I’ve had contact with has been a menopausally challenged hag whose only concern has telling me to cut down or give up all the nice things.
These are the same people who have repeatedly dropped the ball on serious health issues (I won’t bore you with the details).
IMO they are the epitome of the callous bureaucratic state run for its own benefit and not ours.
Your ink would be wasted.
Change my mind.
Would anyone be interested in a fast and easily-searchable archive of all of the comments sections from each day on LS?
I love the site, but my aging laptop finds it hard to keep up with amount of posts, and finding things you know you’ve seen before but have then lost again is a bit time-consuming. And then of course with each new day, our posts are archived away when the latest news comes in.
Assuming that I’m not being a ninny and such a thing doesn’t already exist, I could certainly look into creating such a facility. I propose it be called the “Panscepticon”.
It’s a very good idea 🙂
There are lots of useful nuggets here each day that get lost in the breeze.
(BTW it’s not your laptop – mine is brand new and cost more than a car, but it doesn’t make working through the BTL any easier.)
BTL?
Below the line, I.e. comments – managed to work that out eventually!!
Thanks!
You can file them in the forum.
https://www.lockdowntruth.org/forum
I agree that it’s a good idea. But how to implement?
I think a depository of all the latest factual information and analysis would be useful – perhaps along with the lat.st egregious meanderings from government
Can I volunteer my services to the what is factual panel comittee please?
To implement Panscepticon, I would do this:
In the absence of a ready alternative, I’d be happy to use baffledcow.com (at least until I got my first AWS data transfer bill :-D).
I’d have to play around with update frequency: too often and I’ll hurt the main site, too infrequent and people would lose interest.
In the first instance, I would suggest just updating immediately after the latest-news page rolls over each day. That way, the latest-news page on LS would be live, and Panscepticon would contain the history, starting from the day before.
I’d also have to work out some way of back-filling the history, but I could do that in the dead of night when only Annie is on the site. 🙂
Thinking allowed might it be fun and introduce huge levels of complexity to establish some way of recording the censorship – dead/broken links become a quantifiable amount of book burning.
Your idea sounds epic and much needed as the war enters winter.
Possibly some sort of script running on a PC which takes copies of all links in the comment database (any string starting with http or https or including the phrase .org, .com , .net or .co.).
When a new such string gets found in a new comment, or visited the first time among the archive of older commentd during initial setup, take a copy of the html of the webpage (warning this could get file space hungry VERY fast), don’t bother to save images and other media on the pages unless the link is directly to an image file. Just save copeis of human readable text on the pages, cutting out any formatting tags or links on those pages to adverts, iframes, “red top” style header bar links and other things which naturally change regularly and don’t have much relevance to the meaning of the pages.
Then take a hash (sha256 or something) of the readable text saved for each link.
On a regular basis the PC should automatically revisit such links in its database. It should check the page it finds by following the link, if the hash no longer matches it can recognise that censorship of some kind has occured (the text has gone from the page, or been changed) even if the page itself still exists and does not give a 404.
This will give some false positives, hashes will no longer match if a page’s author corrects a typo or changes paragraph spacing even though meaning would be preserved. It shouldn’t give false negatives, there would be no way to change the content of a page, or remove the page, which would not be detected next time the PC polled that page and found a mismatched hash. If you have space to store it then keeping original text would make it censorship proof, your script could upload the original text of any changed or missing article to a website you could host, with a note saying which original lockdown sceptics comments the link had been found in.
yes please
(interested as to how you’d go about this)
Yes please!
One section that would be good to have is people’s letters to various MPs and authorities.
Awkward Git will need a section of his own though 🙂 !
Good idea. And you get first dibs on the book, when all the bollocks has been consigned to history. I’ll buy it anyway. 🙂
https://www.effiedeans.com/2020/10/the-snp-hall-of-shame.html
For fellow sceptics under the yoke in Sturgeon land.
Read this and store it away.
Wow!
One wonders what they might get up to next week…
Told ya, covid is the massive fart hiding this stench
Thank you. That is why she looks more and more haggard everyday. Haunted souless people you can see it in their eyes.
One by coincidence
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/nicola-sturgeons-lies-salmond-inquiry-show-greater-contempt-voters-margaret-ferriers-covid-breach-murdo-fraser-2994236
Is it news that politicians are self serving charlatans?
Alex Salmond is pretty much a victim of the present woke bunch at the head of the SNP. He was found not guilty on all charges because he had done nothing wrong. Craig Murray, himself up for contempt of court, reported the entire trial. Whether you are in favour of independence or not, the efforts the Scottish government made to ruin Alex Salmond are shocking. Not that this has anything to do with covid and I notice that Sturgeon has ruled out another lockdown so maybe some daylight is getting through to the silly woman.
She will steam and screech into a vampyric nothing if daylight does get through.
Not disagreeing whatsoever but.
NHS, macmillan, cancer reseatch, politicians – even the bbc crawl all over the giant emontive big C cancer but where are they now calling him out?
The mainstream media is pushing conspiracy theories now. Claiming Trump is out of breath, his doctors are lying or he lied about his illness.
But it’s not fake news, right.
Yet Bozo definitely had it bad and rose on easter sunday…
Aaaameeeeeennn
What I’ve been wondering about for a very long time now and haven’t yet seen discussed at length anywhere (apologies in advance if I missed anything on here), is the fact that ‘classic’ (in)flu(enza) is still claiming just as many victims as ever, but is never even mentioned. I mean, how on earth are they justifying the C-word monomania when it is now blatantly obvious that there isn’t any major difference between this and the regular flu?
In Belgium for example, the news has touted 8 to 10 C-related deaths/day for the last period, always a ‘doubling’ or ‘exponential increase’ compared to whatever fanciful previous average they bandied about (that number is about equivalent to fatal household accidents by the way, i.e. fumbling around with power tools in a bad way…). About 190 C-patients in all are now supposedly hospitalized in IC units, due to which one of the major hospitals in Brussels has been panic-mongering over the last days due to their C-unit being ‘almost filled to capacity’ (while I read a month ago that max capacity for the Winter had been enlarged by 2.000 EXTRA beds overall, so why less than 200 patients is any issue is beyond me…), other surgeries are having to be delayed etc. etc. The news then shows some ‘Head Dr.’ twat communicating with the hospital’s C-Unit personnel via computer interface (as it’s of course way too dangerous to just go over and talk to these people directly…), the screen showing astronauts in space suits with muzzles and goggles as if they were doing a rerun of Alien, talking disastrous doom and gloom as if nothing comparable ever occurred in the last century or so. The exact numbers are often published with some delay, but I know for a fact that for much of the period June-September for example, mortality statistics included a steady rate of deaths due to influenza as well, often in excess of the low rate of COVID fatalities. I assume that these people also risk pneumonia or similar complications, and flu is also supposed to be highly contagious… the first arguments I ever heard as to why COVID was supposedly so much worse was that it was ‘more contagious’ and ‘more fatal’, yet both statements have been amply refuted in the meantime. Hell, I personally know one woman whose husband had been ill for over a week and suddenly tested C-positive. Although they share the same bed and have two children, none of the other family members tested positive or had any symptoms: HIGHLY contagious, obviously… The guy recovered after 10 more days of mild illness, his verdict being: “it felt somewhat like the flu, but less bad”… the few other examples I know of personally are entirely comparable.
What I’m mainly wondering about now is if flu patients are even kept apart from other patients, or whether they are totally ignored in the ongoing C-craze? I haven’t seen a single influenza death being commented upon or even mentioned in the MSM throughout the whole supposed ‘pandemic’; if I had lost a loved one or family member to flu during this time, or had been in critical condition myself, I would be pretty p****d to say the least! I mean, surely it would help influence public opinion if we could drive home the point that influenza is still killing people too, and even at a comparable rate (even if the amount of obscure diagnosed ‘cases’ of COVID is significantly higher)? And that these deaths seemingly don’t count, as nobody even bothers to mention them. Also, if entire wards are now reserved for C-cases in the hospitals, what happens to people who end up hospitalized with flu complications? Are they free to infect others in the hospital or at home, while only C-cases are being isolated and confined? I haven’t as yet been able to find a clear answer to these questions: Someone on this site even posted a link a while ago to that BBC article on the very high no. of influenza victims in 2018 – I assume these people weren’t even isolated from the rest of the populace back then? In any event, death rates are now completely in the same ballpark, so is there any medical professional who can justify why contagiousness of flu and related hospitalisations/fatalities are seemingly of negligible concern, whereas ‘even one C-death is too much’ and they keep on ruining entire continents over COVID? Is there any person who had a serious bout of ‘classic’ flu who can comment on what treatment they received, after being diagnosed with influenza and confirmed negative for COVID? Surely these people must feel sorely neglected…?
Indeed it’s yet another powerful argument and demonstration of how mad the world has gone
The australian flu & covid numbers ‘fit’ its been a low flu year but a high covid year in nearly exactly equal measure.
Based on Vernon Colmans own research of oz official data.
Very well said. I keep having thoughts like this too. My daughter’s friend has “long” Covid, but I suspect people get “long” flu too. And as for the contagion aspect, I don’t believe all the hype about that either. A friend whose husband clearly had it at Christmas didn’t get it herself, and didn’t pass it on to the family group she met with on Boxing Day. Regarding flu, I had it in 2018 but my husband didn’t get it. I’ve just a cold but he didn’t get that either. I wonder if you ever get a household where ALL the members get it?
Managed to covert a mask fanatic – on the road to De- maskus?
Gold star.
Excellent news, how did you manage it?
Please enlighten me. How can I do this? I have tried, with no success..
I’m no christian, but I think “the road to damascus” was about a man called Saul who renamed himself Paul afterwards. I think your incident might be the other way round, once they take the mask off they’ll feel a bit less paul-y.
On the other hand, the mask will not be Saul-y missed.
You bring a little joy into our lives and boy how we need it.
Supertramp – Crime Of The Century Lyricsfrom album: Crime Of The Century (1974)
Now they’re planning the crime of the century
Well what will it be?
Read all about their schemes and adventuring
It’s well worth a fee
So roll up and see
And they rape the universe
How they’ve gone from bad to worse
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let’s see.
But that’s not right – oh no, what’s the story?
There’s you and there’s me
That can’t be right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpAUDOI24Oo&ab_channel=Supertramp-Topic
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
These 70’s albums do eerily predict where we are now: This one joins my current covid listening list:
In the Court of the Crimson King-King Crimson
Lifehouse – The Who – (ok that’s a bit crypt)
Animals – Pink Floyd
The Wall – Pink Floyd
Funny you should say that. Every time Wancock is mentioned, these classic lines sing themselves in my head:
Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he’s dead
And I’m normally a non-violent person!
nice vinyl version here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCVLBV3rsx0
Surely, if Covid is to take priorityy over cancer, then in that situation all cancer patients will be moving heaven and earth to get a ‘positive test’, so that they move up the priority list?
You won’t receive any treatment for cancer if you have even the slightest infection. As Chemo severely compromises your immune system, I suspect cancer patents will be doing everything possible to not contract Covid or test +
EU COMMITTEE COULD TAKE COVID TESTING OFF AGENDA AFTER GERMANY INTERVENES
A call for testing instead of quarantine to permit travel could be ditched from a meeting agenda of two influential European Union committees.
Germany, which holds the presidency of the European Council, has asked to delete a motion calling for tests instead of quarantine at a meeting this week of the EU’s Integrated Political Crisis Response (IPCR) and the EU’s Permanent Representatives Committee (Coreper).
Coreper comprises ambassador level representatives and prepares the work of the Council of the European Union.
In a joint letter, the European Travel Commission and World Travel & Tourism Council said they were “very surprised and concerned”.
“Quarantine measures have a damaging and devastating effect on crossborder/international business and leisure travel and are killing the recovery of the travel and tourism sector,” it said.
“Quarantines are disruptive, unhelpful and should be replaced by comprehensive cost-efficient testing upon departure based on an agreed EU/International testing protocol.”
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I hold little hope for the travel industry as a whole. No targeted support, deemed not viable.
I should add, not that I agree with either testing or quarantine!
Of the two, in the long term maybe quarantine is best because it is more likely to be abandoned eventually, whereas if testing takes hold we may be stuck with it forever.
Absolutely certain that if introduced for travel, testing will be with us forever. The ‘war on terror’ regulations at airports etc. are still in place years after 9/11!
Better re-word. Absolutely certain that if introduced for travel, testing will be with us forever. Airport regulations after the twin towers event are still in place years after the event.
And if required for travel, it’ll be required for employment, which means required to earn, which means required to live.
Oops Toby’s site is very sensitive!!
The Great Barrington Declaration, released by Martin Kulldorff of Harvard, Sunetra Gutpa of Oxford, and Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford has a web site;
http://www.gbdeclaration.org
They are asking health-care professionals as well as members of the general public to add their signatures as well. I have already done so.
DavidC
Forward this to you MP – it might seem pointless, I understand, but it’s better than doing nothing.
When killing people is Government policy
By
Peter Lloyd Conservative Woman
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October 6, 2020
NO Conservative Prime Minister can survive if he or she is taking decisions that are contrary to the interests of most people in the country. The Covid-19 measures which Boris Johnson is forcing on the public are clearly against those interests, and worse is being planned.
The health, education, employment, finances and social and mental wellbeing of the population is being destroyed for the illusory goal of stopping the spread of a coronavirus that is essentially harmless to 99 per cent of the population, and lethal almost exclusively to the elderly with serious underlying medical conditions, as are many strains of seasonal flu.
Much of the damage being wreaked is disguised by the Chancellor’s furlough scheme and other taxpayer-funded handouts, but revealed through an explosion of government debt which will have severe negative consequences for all of us, particularly future generations.
The ramping-up of virus tests with the dubious PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methodology is inevitably showing more ‘cases’ which in reality may be just harmless fragments of the Covid-19 (or other) coronavirus RNA that can’t be transmitted to others. These are not infections and certainly not illnesses. The bar on proof of infection is too low.
The government refuses to acknowledge that this increase in cases is largely due to the increased testing, and allows the message to embed in the surrounding narrative that a positive test – which may also be a false positive – is equivalent to being ill when the overwhelming majority of those who are Covid-19 positive don’t become ill, let alone die. It is in the business of exaggeration and fearmongering along with most of the mainstream media.
The most important measure of what is happening medically is surely the number of deaths that can be attributed, to a greater or lesser extent, to Covid-19. The graph below from the Office for National Statistics (taken from the ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ latest newsletter) gives the up-to-date figures, showing that Covid-19 attributed deaths since June are running well below those of flu/pneumonia, and that the total weekly UK death numbers from these lung-related infections are running in line with the five-year average.
As fast as the numbers of those seriously ill, and the daily death toll from the virus, are declining, the risk of other undiagnosed and untreated serious illnesses and deaths is rising because of the lockdown mentality still affecting the NHS and other public services, encouraged by government.
On Saturday 66 GPs wrote to the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, urging him to treat non-Covid deaths as equal to those from Covid. The doctors know that this is not happening at present. For reasons of projecting an image of action and having illusory control over the path of the virus, only Covid deaths matter to the government.
The doctors’ letter reports that there have been more than 30,000 excess deaths in private homes since March, but fewer than one in ten are caused by Covid-19. They are also concerned that ‘the pandemic has resulted in an inflation of acute cardiovascular deaths, most of which did not relate to Covid-19’. They also point to a report suggesting that child suicide rates increased during lockdown and, for these doctors, harm should be measured as more than Covid deaths.
There is so little pressure from the Conservative Party, MPs and the media for the government to act rationally and in the interest of the country as a whole that the government doesn’t feel it has to explain why non-Covid-19 deaths and serious untreated illnesses don’t matter. It has a monomaniacal obsession with Covid-19 which demonstrates how unaccountable the government is to the overall public interest. There is no rigour left in our system of parliamentary and public accountability, which needs a major overhaul.
Far more people are dying because of the government’s measures than are being saved by them. The wholesale destruction of society is taking place for no significant gain in health or mortality and it is government policy.
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Well said.
Right, I’ve done that and thanks for the post. I await my MP’s response but I think I’ll be waiting for a very long time
Windmills at sea are one thing – though personally I hate to see them anywhere. But windmills on land are an aescetic, environmental and health disaster IMHO. Was recently in Southern Scotland which in my view has been ruined by these monstrosities.
The travel industry is planning a Twitter storm on Thursday at 10am. For all those who love travel and have twitter, can I please ask that you tweet this:
90,000 jobs already lost/at risk,only 6 countries without restrictions – the UK travel industry is collapsing in front of your eyes @grantshapps. Enough is enough. Where is the sector specific support? The airport testing? Why won’t you #SaveTravel? #SaveFutureTravel #Test4Travel
The below image can also be added.
Thank you all in advance.
If they are lobbying for airport testing, then they will not be receiving my support, or my custom ever again.
We/They are lobbying to help the industry survive. The vast majority I have spoken to are completely against it but if it means they can keep their jobs and businesses they are will to support it on paper.
Already 5 million less people will be going on holiday anytime soon:
Top ten Atol holders reduce licences by five million passengers
https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/388281/top-ten-atol-holders-reduce-licences-by-five-million-passengers
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The travel industry, including airlines, hotels etc is on the verge of complete collapse.
Its utterly insane but if we accept the testing and the masking it will never revert back. Just like the full body scanners and the maximum liquids.
I have to agree with you. It’s not as if the testing will abolish the mask requirement on planes. So long as that’s in place I will not fly. And where would I fly? Somewhere with even more draconian measures than I’m currently subjected to?
This is by design. I recall a swivel-eyed Extinction Rebellion spokesperson being interviewed by Andrew Neil in October 2019 when they were holding their occult ritual “protests” in London. She stated to Neil’s astonishment, and widespread derision, that all civilian air travel must be terminated by 2025.
I laughed at the time. I am not laughing now. It was a threat and a warning straight from the top.
My advice to anyone in the travel industry is get out now and find another source of income.
There could still be business in the travel industry for anyone willing to consider less law abiding methods of transport. In a quarantined world experts who could advise on back routes between countries could do pretty well, evryone would be needing their services to find ways to escape to Sweden.
Good luck Sarigan!
Tell them to ignore the WEF controlled WTTC who re driving all this “new normal” bullshit in the travel industry.
Don’t you know mass tourism is non-viable under Agenda 2030 new green utopia that is coming after the great reset?
I agree but in the short-term it is about making sure there is an industry left. I do fear that tourism will be tossed aside due to the agenda but we have to put up a fight.
I only see the option of a car journey to go abroad now looks like France for the foreseeable.
For as long as the Schengen area exists a trip to France can take in anywhere from Spain to Estonia and the UK government would likely never find out.
Thanks KH and yes formerly Offlands.
I have the same issues as Richard with the testing, obviously, but I recognise that when you are campaigning to save your businesses you need to be realistic as to what can be achieved. I’ll try the tweet thing again on Thursday (I am not a tweeter though I do have a barely used account, and I remember someone here organised a tweet bomb(?) with Simon Dolan/KBF back in the early days, so I think I can manage to work it out.)
Though would it be possible to persuade your fellows to go for pushing the Great Barrington declaration and no travel restrictions instead? Or perhaps in addition, for a subsequent campaign?
Janet Daley’s take on dePiffle’s conference speech.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/06/lots-grand-ideas-not-much-government-will-free-uk-coronavirus/
He would liberate the private sector to innovate and create new entrepreneurial possibilities for those whose jobs had been lost during this crisis (although, of course, they have been lost largely due to his Government’s decision to close down whole categories of business).
Spot on Janet!
The trolls are out in force in the comments.
The private sector did well before Government shut it down and decimated the industry (and the economy). Unless he means BIG private sector excluding all small businesses.
You would have to be a psychopath to utter that sentence, and there we have it folks.
What does he mean “under control” ? Presumably, no positive tests in the UK, which will never happen.
Oh good…another useful quote that Simon Dolan can use in his court case!
All my sympathy. An utter disgrace.
So… which LA?
How dreadful for you. It is a disgrace how you were treated. What have they turned people into. Everyone is just out to get everyone and it just saddens me to hear such stories.
Uttlesford District Council
They have a facebook page.
Worth putting on record for that sort of jackbootery.
Apologies if already posted, but good petition here: ‘Publish false positive and negative Covid-19 test data for Pillar 2’
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/552013
Do they actually know them?
No. This shit-show has departed from anything resembling reality.
Is there a petition to declare the number of PCR cycles?
Sorry to hear this account of your ordeal, Kay. This is disturbingly Orwellian. So pleased you appeared to be back on an even keel when we came in this morning! Keep up the good work.
If there is some way of knowing where you are in Essex (not to say on this public site) then I’ll make the trip and come and support you kh. This is appalling bullying tactics all about power they wield over you. A friend up here making award winning cheese was threatened – in different times – ‘I will make sure I will close you down’ but luckily he had the good sense to record the threat. He’s retired but it was an awful time. Have you thought about camera’s/recording/witnesses? This is absolutely shocking.
Look on Tripadvisor under Saffron Walden, filter tea/coffee and find a comment which complains about lack of COVID precautions
I think you should put this all down in an email to our MP KB and ask her to investigate. I know we both think she is pretty useless but might as well get her to do something apart from her banal replies to constituents emails!
This absolutely should get documented – to your MP for a start and copy in your police?
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-zac-uncensored-with-dr-malcolm-kendrick-live_W2EGf2HuoMorJVI.html
Re: the latest news: when are the “Authorities” going to get it into their thick heads: YOU CANNOT DEFEAT A VIRUS!!!!!!!
“But New Zealand did it”
How?
through the power of imagination
Barbwire around the islands, keep out covid signs.
As the home of Lord of the Rings I think they invoked the power of Sauron himself to ward off the mighty Covid.
Or to quote Gandalf himself “you shall not pass”. Sorry too much time inside, i’ve lost it!
This may seem pedantic but the quotations are:
‘You cannot pass’ to the Balrog.
‘You cannot enter here’ to the Lord of the Nazgul.
The distinction is important. Gandalf is stating that the Balrog CANNOT, that is, he is NOT ABLE to pass him.
Similarly he is stating that the Lord of the Nazgul is UNABLE to enter.
It is more, much more, than a prohibition from Gandalf.
Not pedantic always happy to be educated. I think though the movie is shall not pass and the book is cannot pass I could be wrong though? Great scene nonetheless.
Thank you. I have not seen the film, I have only read the book, and I remember someone else misquoting (as I thought) the book, but it led me to a deeper consideration of Gandalf’s words. Now, having finally read some of the classics, I appreciate the depth of scholarship. Like the statement of Treebeard at the end of chapter IV of ‘The Two Towers’ ‘Night lies over Isengard’. Though that refers, not to the classics, but to the New Testament, the Gospel of John. ῆν δὲ νύξ. And it was night. I hope the Greek comes out OK. I have missed off a breathing, heigh ho.
They think they did
All they are is a country with no exit plan other than pinning all hope on a vaccine which may never arrive or work. In the absence of this, they will either have to go through it eventually like everyone else, or become an eternal prison.
Indeed, but the zealots and cOvId ZeRo preachers genuinely think it’s a good model to be emulated.
Just inform them that at the point NZ declared the virus as “eliminated”, there had been no mandatory mask wearing.
That’ll get them frothing again.
Exactly – if the penal colony that NZ has become is an exemplar, we might as well all slit our throats. Civilization is finished.
Donald Trump’s earlier tweet from today:
Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!
And Twitter’s response:
This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about spreading misleading and potentially harmful information related to COVID-19. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain accessible. Learn moreThis Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about spreading misleading and potentially harmful information related to COVID-19. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain accessible. Learn more
Hmmm, the guy is growing on me! 🙂
Why would Twitter not pull the tweet, considering they didn’t have much issue doing it for earlier tweets about BLM and gun violence, etc …?
Trump calling a spade a spade. Got to love it!
They are so sure of their case they have decided to let him have his say
Seems like a blunder born of arrogance to me
And Twitter banned David Icke for 7 days after he called Hancock a liar. Clown World insane double standards.
I’m not great at emotional support, KH (not my strong suit), but I want you to know that I think the experience is appalling and that I have huge admiration for you and the courage and the conviction you have shown throughout, in the face of all of the pressure. Most people with a business to run wouldn’t have stuck to their guns the way you have. You’re one of the world’s quiet heroes. I, for one, would happily contribute if you do end up getting fined (although, “not a believer” doesn’t seem to be one of the criteria in the actual law, last time I read it).
Much better than you think Matt! (support)
Is this supposed to be good news?
Boris Johnson suggests in a speech to the virtual Conservative party conference today that coronavirus restrictions on gatherings and contact will have finished by September next year.
In the context of ‘over by Christmas,’ it means lockdown for ever until the regime is removed
No, because he means when everyone has been vaccinated…
They know not everyone will be vaccinated, just as not everyone is masked
On the subject of vaccines, I just saw this poster: https://twitter.com/markbtelevision/status/1313529748384034823/photo/1
Did someone here produce it? I like it…
This one is good too: https://twitter.com/markbtelevision/status/1313530820339159041/photo/1
This is outstanding, and very professionally produced.
Can Mabel or anyone else here make a similar version?
Another year of this dross?!
Yes, and the spaffing Johnson expects us to suck it up. They’ve become very cocksure, as it were.
How does he know?
He also said that “The coronavirus can be use as a catalyst for change”.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
He then went on to talk about his vision for the UK – which strangely enough, matches the global reset agenda…hmmm
First it was Christmas, then it was March next year, now it’s moved on to September…
Giving you a virtual hug KH. What an awful woman! I would be reporting her to the department. I am heartened to see some of your customers stood up for you though. Keep going – there will be a light at the end of the tunnel, I’m sure of it.
Yes, this is horrendous treatment. Is it possible for more people from this site to write positive reviews on Trip Advisor or elsewhere and hopefully help your business kh?
Kh,I really am speechless with disgust and anger at the way you and you business partner have been treated,I can feel my heart pounding with rage,there just aren’t words strong enough to describe that woman !.
It was a staged dressing down in front of your customers,outrageous and atrocious !.
You are a thought criminal !,I could never have believed all those years ago when I read 1984 that it would actually be describing 2020 in the UK.
If anyone is still in any doubt about what is really happening in this country after reading your account they must be a fool,this is not about a virus,this is tyranny.
Sorry if this is a bit incoherent,I really am so angry on your behalf,I can’t type as fast as my mind is working !.
Well done to the ladies that stood up for you,I’m sure you have more support in SW than you realise.
And to think that I used to live in SW and I thought it was inhabited by decent people. I am utterly disgusted.
https://bookandfilmglobe.com/creators/weve-destroyed-the-arts/
We’ve Destroyed the ArtsApparently, in a pandemic, culture is meaningless
I’m expecting the ‘fire brigade’ to arrive and burn all of my books any day now.
Sunak says people in the arts should re-train – so will we see Emma Thompson re-training to work as Covid womble?
Really? He said that? So the arts are dead? God.
If the arts are dead, we might all just as well be, too.
The arts were getting close to dead before Covid: box ticking drama, dumbed down films, books resembling PC instruction manuals,and video installation drivel in the galleries. Only classical music was holding its own but we know the BBC is chipping away at that – diluting the tradition and extending its race war into that territory.
Yes.
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1313434268824227840
As ever the cultural ramifications get relegated to the bottom of the pile.
During the siege of Leningrad their philharmonic orchestra kept playing. It was one of the few things that allowed people to retain any semblance of their humanity amidst the starvation, death and destruction.
That we have dispensed so quickly with all forms of cultural interaction and performance, and even specifically legislated against it, is one of the most telling commentaries on the desperately sick state of our society. The empty, soulless, meaningless, dreary, faceless monotony of abiding by state regulations is all that matters.
I believe they were also protected. So people were willing to give us their lives just to have music.
“During the siege of Leningrad their philharmonic orchestra kept playing.”
A good contrast to the fakery of the present crisis which appeals to the worst instincts of self-absorbed, pathetic tremulousness of the over-indulged.
Christ – I’m ashamed of the self-indulgent,gullible cowardice on display.It’s an insult to those earlier generations that created the conditions for what has become such a cotton-wool meaningless existence.
A real plague would cause less objective harm to civilization.
Thank you for this. I run four small groups of adults studying Greek and Latin so I suppose I am doing something like the Philharmonic in St. Petersburg (I refuse to use the communist designation). It certainly does enable one to forget the outside world.
No need to apologise KH, get it out! This site means many things to many people, cathartic confessions is A-OK in my books! Bless you and big virtual hug, keep up the fight and turn to us when in need!
Very sorry to hear about this kh. The behaviour of this woman is completely out of order. I wonder if Toby or Peter Hitchens might be able to help? These people can’t be allowed to get away with this kind of thing.
I see Bojo says this country will defeat CV the same as we have defeated all alien invasions in the past.
Exactly which solar system is he on?
Good question,whichever one it is I wish we were all on a different one.
whrever Planet Zog orbits. I just wish he’d piss off to that location.
BBC 6pm News – states unequivocally in intro to Trump story:
“He falsely claims that flu is more deadly than Covid in some places”.
How can we make trouble for them for this outrageously misleading statement from the BBC?
Trumps tweet is entirely accurate, perhaps soapy Sopel could comment on the relative death rates between Covid and flu in children.
What gets me is that I ASSUME that to get a story on air some editor or responsible person has to approve what a sock puppet will read, and how can they not be aware enough to know the line read out to be a lie?
How do I write to Mediawatch??
You’re making the mistake of assuming two things about the BBC. Neutrality and competence. Easily done.
This should do it:-
Mediawatch
c/o Bill Gates
“We are grateful to the wide range of funders, including national governments, the UN and other international organisations, foundations, corporate partners and private individuals that supported our 100 different projects in 2017/18.
Significant donors included the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, the UK Department for International Development (DFID), the European Commission, several UN agencies, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency (SIDA) and the British Council.
The members of our Corporate Leaders Group contributed cash and in-kind support, and our annual fundraising event The Correspondents Dinner and gifts from individual donors continued to raise valuable unrestricted income for the organisation. The BBC provided gift in kind office facilities and a grant to reflect the value of programming that BBC Media Action provides to BBC World Service.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding
‘Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency (SIDA) ‘ – that is a name I am NOT happy to see in that list…
Independent Press Complaints Commission? If such a thing even still exists?
Yet the MSM are allowed to adjudicate on what news is fake. Go figure!
Not sure about “in some places” but it’s definitely more deadly for some people, i.e. children.
How to make trouble? Scour dating apps for marianna spring. Arrange a date then don’t show. I wouldn’t.
Other better ideas are available.
Nah, I’m running with your first thought. What could possibly go wrong!
By the way, is this the “online” place where conspiracy theories are formed?? Or is that somewhere else?
At the end of BBC R4 news tonight, and finally…
The number of hospital admissions for the Coronavirus has increased sharply, so have the number of people on ventilators today in hospitals in the uk.
Are the peopke on ventilators Covid patients?
I just hope they are not actively putting people on ventilators who don’t really need them, just in order to kill people and fiddle the figures. Know it sounds crazy, but I have long since given up trusting the government when it comes to anything Covid related.. (or anything else for that matter)
An excellent and extremely valuable first hand account of the pure evil of the petty, miserable, contemptible nobodies who are seizing their moment to inflict pain and suffering on good people at the behest of the state.
The so-called “woman” who questioned you is a psychopath, plain and simple. The worst aspect of the authoritarian society we now live in is that such characters are rewarded with power. To encounter the darkest aspects of the human psyche embodied as directly and intensely as this can only be traumatic. Your being shaken to the core shows that you still have all your humanity. The demon you encountered has none.
If you end up getting fined, I would be more than happy to contribute to a crowd funding campaign to help you. In principle everybody should ignore these fines and let the court cases stack up, but as you run the risk of having your business shut down you may not have this luxury.
Couldn’t agree more and I’d also contribute. I could only hope to be able to patronize a shop like yours, but in my neck of the woods there is 100% compliance and I won’t spend money at any shop that treats me like a vector of disease. Your story is shocking, but not surprising — this is what happens when the government pits people against one another when we should all be united against the government.
Keep your cctv. Anything further comes in be prepared for you or your staff to politely film (with sound) the encounter. It’s possible to film aggressively so just stand back and capture what you can.
Experience has told me that checking things out with local police and informing the la of intention to film can put a check on their bullying.
And by the way, make a note of this woman’s name. It will be useful to have such details to hand when the perpetrators are being hunted down.
It is so sad that you were bullied. I do however suggest that you complain about that (get something in writing in a very constructive manner) so that your reaction is on record. This might prevent further unnecessary and unfair meddling. Wish I was a lawyer to help you take this further…..
The Kate Shemirani thing is also clearly bullying by authorities. Despite being arrested and kept in custody for 32 hours they decided not to charge her. https://mobile.twitter.com/KateShemirani/status/1313239608709263360
Did you see this article? Hopefully will cheer you up!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/05/row-after-london-council-is-warned-off-enforcing-mask-rules-in-shops
Might be somewhere for you to get heard. Bullying must not be tolerated! Maybe try Sharma?
By the way, paper is a legally acceptable T&T format for your customers but I guess businesses could be obliged to display the QR code. Should be easy to find out.
The government have created this awful breakdown in humanity. I am so sorry to hear your experience of having to bear witness to it.
I do fear however this will only become increasingly more common.
Just watching the Covid 19 Restrictions and Regulations debate live on BBC parliament just now. Worth the watching although Helen Whately has just compared the gravity of the situation to WWII (My history is a little vague but I’m sure that was a bigger thing…).
BBC Parliament, reheat spag bog, and a mediocre Rioja. The fun never stops in Shorthand’s hoose. How much is Netflix..?
The gravity of the situation is comparable to WW2, but not because of a virus.
This is a war. The Cabinet against the British people.
It’s probably going to cost more.
Yep. The government has declared war on Britain.
Yes. Quite so. The intention is for the country to lose.
How do you mean?
No cities have been leveled yet, no mass movement of displaced populations, no famine, genocide or conscription as yet and importantly, the death toll stands considerably lower. So I think she’s talking shite and using a crass reference to ‘us all being in this together’ just like in the blitz.
Economically I agree we might be getting into that particular ball park though.
The economic fallout from this will be worse than WW2. And the worldwide death toll (from the policies, not the virus) will far exceed the 60 million dead in that conflict.
https://www.wfp.org/news/world-food-programme-assist-largest-number-hungry-people-ever-coronavirus-devastates-poor
“WFP’s new estimates show that the number of hungry in the countries where it operates could increase to 270 million before the year’s end – an 82 percent increase from before the pandemic took hold.“
No – it’s worse. Then the fascists were kept at bay.
Might be worth contacting Simon Dolan. He has a lot of lawyer contacts who may be able to help you to push back against this harassment.
Can anyone tell me what the guidance, or law, is on hand sanitizer? I can’t find any information on whether someone can insist you use it. I’m still awaiting a reply from the charity shop who refused me entry for not using the stuff (as well as not wearing a mask). I’ve sent the email again.
The guidance is don’t use it, it’s another compliance ritual and extremely bad for your immune system.
I didn’t realise this I just don’t use them cause I find the texture and smell awful.
A few months ago the FDA withdrew 75 brands of hand sanitiser from circulation in the USA because of potentially lethal toxic effects.
Interesting. Do you have a link?
I just pretend. Squirt a load of it out from the bottle, ensure it misses my hands and lands on the floor, then walk on rubbing my hands together
in gleeas if rubbing the gunk in.You have to make sure you’re standing a safe distance from the bottle when employing that technique, I had a blob of it splurt onto my crotch doing exactly that….
I’ve always wanted to know who makes those taps in pub gents which squirt water horizontally…
Whose guidance? I agree it’s just another compliance ritual and that it’s bad for your immune system. I hate the stuff.
My guidance based on the research I have done over the last 7 months!
I’ve managed to negotiate my daughter not using it in school – she uses very mild wet wipes instead when required. They have hand sanitizer, 90% alcohol, on each desk, for God’s sake. I’m the only parent who seems to care about what goes on their child’s hands.
I would have the same attitude if I had children at school. I actually objected in years gone by when some interfering parent slathered sun cream on my son! I wonder how many people, children in particular, will have skin problems on their hands in the near future…..
Hand sanitiser is only guidance – how can they enforce this? They cannot refuse entry for not wearing a mask if you are exempt and you don’t need to provide a reason (Equality Act 2010).
More on mask exemptions: nomasks.info
Having said that about hand sanitiser, I generally pretend to use it – one hand under, a quick tap on the top (so as not to displace the pump and dispense any) and then a quick rub of hands together. Sometimes just necessary to pick which battles you want to fight.
Exactly what I do. It’s all about appearance – something I learned a long time ago.
I used to do that in the shop. Then when I went to vote at the local elections the policeman was watching me like a hawk and noticed my little trick. So I actually had to use the yucky stuff.
I know I could do this, but I hate “cheating” and feel I should make my opinions known. Incidentally I was also refused entry to my local library because I refused to use it, even though they had let me in previously (some weeks ago – I had only just plucked up the courage to go back). I’ve contacted my county council (Oxfordshire) to ask what the actual guidance is.
Yes, I’m aware of my rights on non-mask wearing. I was just taken aback by being refused entry because I refused to use the HS, and wondered what the legal position was. I guessed the shop must be wrong because just about every other shop has HS at its entrance but no-one insists you use it. I would just like to be sure of my position.
I would be obliged if we could all use the correct terminology here. Hand poison.
Gunk.
We are required to make it available at our tourist attraction, and most sheeple smear it on quite unthinkingly. We get the cheapest possible, more or less pure alcohol, said on the bottle to ‘refresh your hands’ and that’s all.
And I water it down continually. Nobody ever notices
Dyes ? Itchy additives ? Seriously bad smelling stuff ?
Carry your own bottle, fill it with something milder like H_2 O instead. Squirt it on your hands as you enter, evading their pumps of doom.
It is only recommended. The charity shops are the worst. No longer going there as they are clueless.
Even the Telegraph’s classical music critic is now talking about the ‘terrible lockdown’:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/weeks-funding-delay-may-not-seem-much-government-venues-means/
Only terrible for them because the arts aren’t getting much money. If they were all on the bailout bandwagon I’m sure they’d change their tune.
You’re falling into the divisive, resentful trap that plays to the government agenda.
You don’t have to be pathetically gullible or stupid. It is a choice.
Wonder what Andrew Lloyd Webber thinks – he is one of the guinea pigs in the covid vaccine trials..
So out of line, so humiliating, in your own business. Hold out, you’re probably a beacon of sanity for your customers. Don’t let these unjust, trivial religious covid cult bastards get you down.
So sorry to hear of your dreadful experience. It is unforgivable. I would happily pop into your cafe if I lived closer.
Build back better? Doesn’t sound like an English slogan, probably because it isn’t.
This was published 9 months ago by the FT – actually recorded in 2019. Talking about the need to reset capitalism and “finding a way to curb the excess of capitalism in 2020” … mmm what could do that?
https://youtu.be/3MKvVcQuD4E
Welcome to the great reset.
Or Even this https://www.weforum.org/reports/building-back-better-an-action-plan-for-the-media-entertainment-and-culture-industry/related/
Just blatantly taking the piss. They could at least try to act like they’re behaving independently.
Don’t worry, it is just groupthink.
I am glad someone else turns signs around! I started doing this about a month ago.
Ann is the sign amender/remover-in-chief.
Isn’t that pathetic?
Prince Charles to launch ‘Great Reset’ project to rebuild planet in wake of coronavirus
The Prince of Wales hopes to convince world leaders to capitalise on ‘unique but narrow window’ to put ‘planet and people first’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/05/22/prince-charles-launch-great-reset-project-rebuild-planet-wake/
Telegraph pay wall. The picture is amazing halo and pope finger. Halo clearly contrived to be there.
So. It’s a great reset then. The idea of it being unplanned is perhaps to now be consigned to history. With MPs from labour apparently talking about Climate Lockdowns it is perhaps becoming time for people to look into a great reset. Boris told you about it yesterday – ocean going wind turbines etc.
People need to get with the direction of where we are being led and have a think about is this really how a democratic nation recovers from an economic catastrophe? We are all agreed it is at the hand of man the catastrophe has been perpetrated. The entire recovery presented to us without debate.
Look up the great reset for yourselves, draw your own conclusions.
Not for Prince Charles of course with his private jets, multiple palaces and chauffeur driven cars, just like all his buddies in the Davos jet set. And some of them will still be furnished with tropical islands and a steady supply of trafficked slaves to indulge their sexual proclivities.
The Great Reset only applies to the peasants like us. This is the return of medieval serfdom, pure and simple.
Exactly..
‘Look up the great reset for yourselves, draw your own conclusions.’
Or continue to believe that these people are just incompetent.
Its not new and it is planned depends on the countries how extreme it gets. We seem to have a bunch of lunatics running the UK show. The climate change lobby do want to stop the world and the ‘virus’ did it, at least the Fear of the ‘virus’. Seems that the elite think we are ruining THEIR world.
We are. They want it all, and us gone. They’ll get it too.
Yes, look at the Georgia Guidestones and see how few people they want living on the earth…
Perhaps he should have a word with his son William about the consequences of having three children. If everyone on the planet did the same the population would rocket towards 10 billion and beyond with huge negative consequences for the other species we share the planet with.
Prince Charles has the intelligence of a used sanitary towel.
Surely, after Camillagate, you mean a Tampax!
The key aspect i’m not fully on board with the whole Agenda 21/Great Reset theory is that there are so many different powerful actors with competing interests. For example, big Pharma is powerful, sure, but more powerful than countries/businesses/oligarchs in the oil industry?
Why would the likes of Russia – and especially China – want this to happen when their leaders have full control of their people and the latter is set to become the world’s biggest economy? Moreover why would Europe and the US destroy their own economies to allow China and Russia to gain massive advantages?
There are still too many inconsistencies for me.
That said, this is assuming that there isn’t something that they all know which we’re not being told. Like oil running out a lot sooner than expected for example.
Draper233. It’s NOT a “Theory”. People in the World Economic Forum have been telling us constantly what they are doing and what they want to do. The UN, The World Bank, the IMF, and other globalist organisations. It’s all they talk about. Carbon neutral by 2030, carbon zero by 2050. No more fuel engines in another 5 to 10 years. No more aviation and travel, no more driving and cars, no more meat and all the rest of it to cut carbon
How on earth are they gonna do that?
We asked ourselves this time last year.
The thing is the banks planned this Great Reset because they were bust. Global lockdown was the primary objective. A new normal that will enable these carbon targets to be met. To refinance the banks, to roll out a new global technocracy. To transform global society.
The Virus was the catalyst for global social change. Boris said so today in fact.
Because some people knew it was coming many groups have hitched their wagon on The Corona Project train, big pharma are one group benefiting from this scam, there are many. It’s a global re-structuring so nearly all countries are involved.
Too true. A simple question:
if this a planned ‘save the planet ‘ work wide action then why just not announce it? It is this gap that makes many of us very suspicious.
Because no one in their right mind would vote for this and surrender their liberty for this agenda… they had to destabilise us, crush our spirits, make us fearful and desperate first…
Just to clarify, when I said “theory”, I meant the theory that Agenda 21/Great Reset is what is behind all of this.
I agree it makes far more sense than the mainstream narrative, but like I said, i’m just not fully on board yet.
But then again, I am a natural sceptic of course!
Agree with nearly all. Except it will be the banks refinancing the countries.
Several countries will likely end up as no more than client states or slave economies, and this Govt has been encouraged to be as profligate as possible. When the national debt simply cannot be serviced because the World Bank says ‘you have exceeded your overdraft’, that’s when the banking cabal step in and pick up any remaining assets at pennies on the Pound.
The Govt are pressing ahead with any expenditure that will expedite this process. Moonshot, HS2 etc.
Moonshot is the ultimate lunacy. Probably why it is so-named.
I think your comment is excellent.
China has just signed itself up to a ‘green revolution’ – I forget the actuals but all power from renewables by say 2040.
The pharma industry was spawned out of the oil industry. Are the powers behind both not the same.
I would say we dont yet know what they are going to push on us, how much of it sticks and how much of it is just a sinclair c5.
Picture two ruddy faced edwardian farmers talking about things over a gate. Imagine their concerns and conversation. Skimming through the events from that time until present day presents a trajectory of sorts. Often called human progress, but is it?
Anyway. It’s not for anyone to convince anyone of anything, nor can they be. I am seriously alarmed at where this is heading – you are too. That’s good enough.
Agreed, we should be both sceptical and open minded about everything.
This is not a conspiracy. It is a well thought out plan and we should treat it as such.
Exactly..
Remember those innocent days when we all just thought Prince Charles was a bit batty because he said he talked to his plants…..???
Had the misfortune of turning over to Nicola’s grandstanding today to have her divulge the square route of nothing about the upcoming restrictions. That said, I did agree with her when she said we all collectively have a power over the virus. It’s just a pity she failed to mention this wonderful thing called an immune system. Instead, I was intrigued to find that masks and 2 meters of distance trumps six million years of evolution.
It’s the bedwetter narrative, white blood, B and T cells don’t exist. Antibodies don’t exist. The body has no defences except those it offloads to dictatorial government.
Wow, just wow. This creature sounds just like the Dolores Umbridge character from Harry Potter, but straight out of the Ministry Of Covid. I hope to see her at the Newbury Trials when this is all over. You’ll continue to have my utmost respect for resisting these demons and I’ll certainly be paying you my patronage when I next find myself in your locality.
If you have a penchant for projectile vomiting, this should do the trick.
Think it’s actually live at the moment….
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ynJOqBQeBWKR
You’ve got me! I don’t know if I want to click or not!
It’s the US vaccine lobby including Fauci telling each other what a wonderful job they are doing. And the chairwomen’s eulogising introduction of Fauci is particularly nauseous.
Phew I chickened out! I caught tedros and sridhar giving tweet platitudes to each other yesterday – that was my limit this week.
Biden tweeted that if elected he is going to reinstate Fauci…
Your fortitude is an example to us all. I feel like a pathetic coward in comparison to what you have endured. I must up my game.
Me too.
Found this on the DT:
“Mr Johnson said he had “read a lot of nonsense recently” about how his battle with coronavirus, which required treatment in intensive care, “has somehow robbed me of my mojo”.
He described such reports as “self-evident drivel, the kind of seditious propaganda that you would expect from people who don’t want this Government to succeed”. But he admitted that “the reason I had such a nasty experience with the disease is that although I was superficially in the pink of health when I caught it, I had a very common underlying condition. My friends, I was too fat.”
It is a great pity that he didn’t read some of the more useful information such as COVID only being the 24th greatest killer and that flu is currently killing 14 times the number of people.
As to his comment on self-evident drival and seditious propaganda, I guess he would be an expert on this.
‘People who don’t want this government to succeed’.
No we bloody well don’t want them to succeed, because all they’re doing is totally nuking the economy, denying cancer patients treatment, ruining the lives of university students, traumatising children, and obliterating mental health and resilience – for a virus no worse than the flu.
Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
If an accusation as feeble as this is categorised as “seditious propaganda”, then it is clear where we stand. Any and all criticism of the state is going to be made illegal.
Succinctly put.
Very interesting word for a british priminister to use ‘propaganda’. I would suggest that many or most never publicly used the word – outside of accusing another nation of doing it.
He is dismissive and sneering at the concept of propaganda. Yet, in his back pocket he has an entire bletchley park of behavioural nudge scheme, conspriring, plotting to propagandise the people he serves.
Curious how he uses propaganda.
Sage has the Behavioural Compliance Team which exists to provide the rationale behind propogandist education and civil obedience. Here’s an excerpt from their March paper:
Coercion
7.Compulsion:
Experience with UK enforcement legislation such as compulsory seat belt use suggests that,with adequate preparation, rapid change can be achieved.Some other countries have introduced mandatory self-isolation on a wide scale without evidence of major public unrest and a large majority ofthe UK’s population appear to be supportive of more coercive measures. For example, 64% adults in Great Britain said they would support putting London under a ‘lock down’. However, data from Italy and South Korea suggest that for aggressive protective measures to be effective, special attention should be devoted to those population groups that are more at risk. In addition, communities need to be engaged to minimise risk of negative effects.Consideration should be given to enacting legislation, with community involvement, to compel key social distancing measures.
8.Social disapproval:
Social disapproval from one’s community can play an important role in preventing anti-social behaviour or discouraging failure to enact pro-social behaviour. However, this needs to be carefully managed to avoid victimisation, scapegoating and misdirected criticism. It needs to be accompanied by clear messaging and promotion of strong collective identity. Consideration should be given to use of social disapproval but with a strong caveat around unwanted negative consequences
What’s a mojo?
We need massive sedition against this criminal government!
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/06/gsk-tells-staff-turn-off-covid-test-trace-app-work
You couldn’t make it up. Rules for thee but not for me.
Hey pharma companies are not orchestrating this, despite widespread opinion
How do you know that?
I don’t want to out myself, but I know
Wish more employers would have the sense to resist track and treason efforts, it will only hurt them in the long run if they let KNOWLEDGE OF case contacts (not actual case contacts, they don’t hrt much) spread among them. For every boss who wants workers tracked and betrayed, will they also want to have all their workers kept off work?
All of this going on and my MP is on twitter talking about mental health week, got quite a lot of deserved abuse, he’s been awol for about 6 months.
Promoting Mental Health week during Government induced mental health destruction year. Couldn’t script it.
And Keir Starmer, who tries to sound like a champion for mental health, deciding to back “any measures” the government wants to take to further ruin lives in the name of a cough about as bad as seasonal flu.
I’ve been trying to get a response from my MP, Simon Fell. Nothing so far. On the other hand, I wrote to Sir Desmond Swayne and, even though he has his own constituents to look after, he courteously replied. I pointed this out to my MP and await some contrition. I’m being ironic, incidentally. He’s a new boy and in thrall to the Lord Protector and his generals.
Swayne gave a reply to me too, just a few words, but more than my MP has ever done. I was one of the thousands who thanked him for the Dr Strangelove speech.
Terrible to hear about this KH. If you get fined, I’m sure we’d all crowdfund you. If we ever live to see better times, I will make the LS pilgrimage to your cafe.
This is the problem when you give people a uniform and authority without teaching them how not to abuse there position. These roles seem to attract a certain power hungry type.
Sorry to hear this is happening to you it is despicable what this country has done to good honest business owners!
Trump’s hospital trip. The media obviously went the full works over the whole episode. Now it appears there might be a concerted effort not to smear his campaign but to drown him in insanity. To make him to confusing to understand. The msm coverage is overwhelmingly bizarre, negatively bizarre.
I mention this aware that lockdown sceptics seems a different topic. Yet, the media machine might well be attacking a representstive of somekind of sceptisicm in Trump.
I also say this as someone who does not recognise politicians as those who control or govern. Mark Twains quote if voting mattered they wouldn’t allow us to do it will surffice.
The enemy of free speech and scepticism is the media. They are attacking Trump by attempting to drown him out with conspiracy claims and insanity. If it is an orchestrated performance or organic reality there is an underlying motive in the medias particular methodolgy – it spans channels and countries.
Mark Twain is full of nuggets relevant to this insanity none more so than “it’s easier to fool people than convince them that they’ve been fooled”.
“If ever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to stop and reflect”.
Keep strong, When sanity returns everyone will know how foully you have been treated, and by whom, and they will pay..
We are with you.
Seems to me that a certain political party that happens to be in power right this moment, and boasting a certain reputation as the “friend” of small- and medium-sized businesses, together with economic fortitude, is presently busy shedding itself of every vestige of said reputation.
Sorry to hear you’re going through this. When this is over, I suppose they’ll be asking for us to shoulder the burden for them…
Appalled to read this. Got to dash now, and will write a little more later. Sufficient to say for now that you are worth a hundred, a thousand times what that official is. Please don’t forget that. And ultimately, people respect that.
Back again. From your account it seems that you both handled the situation very well in the circumstances. Very noticeable, after being on her high horse in the shop she appears to have backed off markedly when it came to putting something in writing. Which shows that she knows her case is weak.
That she had to call an ambulance for you is proof of the degree of distress that she caused you.
I’m guessing you’re both smart enough to stay just on the right side of the letter of the law, in which case in the fullness of time you will have little to fear. There will be lawsuits over incidents like this, and compensation will have to be paid.
I would hazard a guess that just about everyone on this site is proud of what you’ve done and sees you as an inspiration. Yep, I’ll help crowd fund you – but not I think for a fine as I don’t think that will be necessary, rather one day maybe for a private prosecution.
And you’ll gain the respect of the vast majority of your current customers over this, and my guess is that you’ll win a whole lot more. People admire that sort of guts.
Some heartwarming posts on this thread – genuine humanity, which no matter how dark things sometimes appear I am quite confident will win in the end. Indeed, I think it’s winning already.
I hope you are recovered now? Don’t worry, councils are the hiding places of many little Hitlers and Jobswoths. Get everything in writing, you know you are right!
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https://finance.yahoo.com/m/06568c55-e5ee-396b-ac2c-82a958c07d06/fda-to-require-2-month.html?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo
I have no trust in the FDA. But, it’s a damn good job that they are requiring at least 2 months follow-up after completion of vaccine dosing to assess benefit / risk. And that they are waiting until at least five control patients have had severe symptomatic Covid, so that a comparison of investigational vaccine against control can be made.
Five, of course, is a piddling number, but if the Pharma companies could get away with it, they wouldn’t have any…
So what you have is the FDA holding out for some sort of basic minimum research rigour.
Fauci doesn’t like it, and Gates doesn’t like it. (Gates has moved from describing the FDA as a gold standard regulator to them having ‘dropped the ball’).
Fauci and Gates want to get straight on with EUA in the US and anywhere else that can be persuaded to do so. And the regulator is slowing them down! How dare they!
What’s making me privately smile is that each candidate developer might have to wait ages for at least 5 controls to get severe Covid! Because both arms are full of fit people, who are most unlikely to experience severely symptomatically Covid.
(This is the ultimate irony of course. Fit people don’t get ill from Covid, so why the hell would they need a vaccine?)
Trump is making a big tactical mistake by pushing for early and premature availability of a vaccine.
Half the US population won’t take it anyway. If he wants to win additional votes, he should be saying; ‘we won’t rush a vaccine until we know it is safe and effective’. That is what the electorate want to hear, I believe. In fact, I wish he would he would demonstrate his mischievous nature, and suggest that many (like him) won’t need it!
The MHRA in the UK want to push ahead with an EUA a.s.a.p. with barely even lip service paid to safety or efficacy.
So we are likely to have a situation where the UK starts vaccinating people, before the FDA in the US deems it the right thing or a safe thing to do so.
And when the chickens come home to roost with the inevitable toxicities, the UK health agencies won’t have a leg to stand on.
Thanks for providing very interesting. It’s hard to believe the UK would press on ahead of the FDA.
Happened with thalidomide, mainly due to the luck that the particular FDA reviewer who was to decide to approve or not was someone rather more rigorous than her colleagues or bosses wished she was.
Johnson has made financial (and I believe other) commitments to use the British people as the effective phase three trial of at least two of the new vaccines.
This is the most chilling aspect of the whole damn thing for me. Something is desperately wrong here. We are all going to pay a terrible price for this.
And do you think they care?
Smooth or crunchy?
As in spaffed up the wall
For a second I thought you meant Carrie on here.
Lol, so did I for a sec!!
Broad day light today in a park. Talking to person with dog. Along comes a 60s man and wife team – black masks and visors out for a stroll. The dog went crazy thinking headless zombies had taken over the earth and there would be nothing in his bowl tonight.
I probably was staring -actually I was tring to make out a face behind the reflective visors. The wife turned to me and said “hello” in a way of recognition not friendship. They must have known how alien they looked just for the dog’s panic.
The pair are the most brainwashed people I have ever encountered. Highly unusual. In my life I have seen maube 5 visors in the wild – the rest in shops.
“The pair are the most brainwashed people I have ever encountered”.
lol
Maybe they had been doing some welding
Have just come back from a holiday in the Peak District. Very ‘muzzley’ area. Walking along River Dove at Dovedale, saw 3 older people wearing masks in the open air! Have also just seen a post on facebook from a friend of a friend – from USA – where he states he will continue to wear a mask in public after ‘the virus is defeated’ and will never shake hands again!
Who’d want to shake the slimy hand of such a pathetic git?
Muzzley haha
That story reminds me of when the dogs go crazy in Terminator, recognising the infiltrating Terminators for what they are.
It was thus!
I would have stood up for you if I were in your shop. How horrible. Fools!
This woman need to be put straight on her idiocy and quite frankly malevolence. No empathy what so ever. Almost a sacking offence in the real world. How about lodging a complaint against her officially.
This just arrived today. Given the reviews and the first 20 pages I have read it looks like essential reading for any sceptic:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fehlalarm-Hintergr%C3%BCnde-Zwischen-Panikmache-Wissenschaft/dp/3990601911/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
I propose a whip round to send it to all the MPs in Westminster not that it would do much good.
English language version available as free download..link on its way
Free pdf
https://b-ok.cc/book/5785888/2c9b70
Good to see. I do like a good paperback though.
Yes, me too
I love books but unfortunately my eyesight gets ever longer. My copy is on my Kindle.
Thanks helen have fwded about and hope to take a read myself.
Looking forwaed to getting to it.
Thanks! Very useful. Much appreciated.
Thanks!
No 1 bestseller in Germany for months.
Not that one would know it.
The publishers of those bestseller lists just refused to count its sales and put it on them.
What other proof is needed for what is going on and fir what kind of fake-democracies we are currently living in?!
Dear dictator, stick your new Jerusalem and your wind farms where the sun don’t shine
You locked up my children and grandchildren
I will not rest until I see you in the gutter
Couldn’t agree more.
Mandatory mask wearing in outdoor public places is to be introduced in Italy, bars are closing in Paris – and we have so many restrictions it is impossible to keep up with them. But what, just what, are they seeking to stop? An increase in Covid deaths obviously but of what magnitude?
Italy, France and Britain each has a steep rise in “cases”. But their mortality curves whilst on the rise are limp in comparison. Are they expecting them to take off?
It is implied that without restrictions calamity will ensue. But what would that calamity look like?
Whitty and Valance have suggested there would be 200 plus daily deaths by mid-November if we didn’t apply the breaks. But how long for? Till May? Would the rate grow higher?
The doom-mongers are never quizzed on this. By now we have a pretty good idea of the cost of it all – but I think the nation is left clueless as to what even “the science” believes is being saved.
They’re doubling down now that they have seen signs of pushback from the people…
Perceptive comment by Mark Golding on Craig Murray’s blog:
“This is the most dangerous time in the history of man. The seriousness of our times cannot be underestimated. It is not due to any threat of conventional war, and it is not due to any threat of nuclear decimation, it is based on the fact that this is a psychological war waged by psychopaths against all mankind, and it is being advanced by a small powerfully rich group of dominates that have taken control of the minds of the masses through long-term indoctrination and policies meant to breed dependency.
Fear is the new weapon of mass destruction, not because it is legitimate, but because the people have lost all will to be free, have lost all ability to think, and seek shelter and comfort as a collective herd only capable of existence in a society that is based on totalitarian rule.”
I tend to agree. Horrifying as that thesis is.
This morning I felt more full of optimism than for a very long time. Who knew Trump could do that?But now it’s all gone again. The better I allow myself to feel, the worse it is when the next punch is thrown.
Hancock’s arrogance, Bozo’s speech about bloody windmills, and then the curfew debate rug being pulled. Now we have the unveiling of the great reset to all those who didnt already know about it by Charlie-boy in the DT.
How much more are we expected to take?
Where have they locked all our joy and happiness away?
It’s a roller coaster. I guess that is what war feels like. Is that too strong to say war? Point is there is a conflict and back and forth up and down is part of it.
You have a right to a peaceful life. No one can rightfully cause you harm. Yet it seems these rights are being ignored.
Don’t forget Dr Reiner Fuellmich – that is a considerable high point.
https://youtu.be/kr04gHbP5MQ
It surely is and The Barringon Declaration is another high point..not easily ignored IMO
There seems to be a very deliberate and concerted attempt to remove joy from our lives. I think, dare I say it, that it is actually part of a strategy,
I had my choir and it saved me from feeling like I do now. I’m not allowed to do the one thing I had finally found that really fulfilled me.
We have fo find joy and happiness in and for ourselves. Every good moment is a poke in their beastly little eye.
Be miserable and they’re winning. .Despair, and they’ve won. Is that what you want?
My horse did a jolly good canter for me today.
No intention to cause offence…
but at this stage those who sincerely maintain that where we are now is all the result of a mismanaged response to a virus …
…are at the same level of credulity as those who believe that Goldilocks and the Three Bears was a true historical account…
Why?
Not offended, but in riposte, people who believe in shadowy Blofeld-clone figures lurking in the shadows and pulling strings behind the scenes are at the same level of stupid hysteria as the witchfinders of the seventeenth century, and about as credible.
You do our cause great harm with your foolishness.
I can believe that governments across the world are working together and have a common goal which is not disclosed to the public. It’s more believable to me than somehow they’ve all shit the bed in tandem. There’s no need for any blofelds.
To be fair, it’s on all their websites – the MSM just ‘chose’ – or were bribed – not to tell us…
I do believe in the guys in the background pulling string with the MP’s as puppets. Call me a loony I guess.
Do you believe that the UN, the WHO and the WEF, Agenda 20 and Agenda 30, the Davos meetings and all the rest are inventions of paranoid conspiracy theorists?
Do you believe it’s just a coincidence that virtually everywhere, at pretty much the same time, rejected the previously widely-accepted response to pandemics far more dangerous than this one: to keep normal life running as far as possible and to reassure the population?
Do you thing it’s just coincidence that so many politicians are talking about “the new normal”, “building back better” and “the great reset”?
Exactly – well said!
It’s not a conspiracy if people with overlapping interests work in concert to achieve certain ends. In WW2 we saw capitalists, communists, imperialists, monarchists, democrats and dictators working together to defeat a common enemy. It was a public alliance.
I think we see a similar thing here where the CCP, WHO, billionaire globalists, Big Pharma, the Far Left, and the PC media have allied to defeat a common enemy: not the virus of course, but populism. In particular they all have an interest in demolishing Trump and they all came to see by early spring that Covid could be use to achieve their aim.
Possibly not such a public alliance, it’s true but I think conspiracy would require us to believe the virus was deliberately released by these actors.
Maybe it was. Maybe it just provided a handy excuse. The goal is becoming clearer by the day.
Good summary. The only thing I would add, is that we have possibly lost control of a technological beast that is social media/the web, or haven’t learned to tame it yet. This has massively fuelled the situation.
The role of gates in all this is conspiracy theory for beginners.5 minutes on a computer and you can establish links to all the main players in this.
Answer the question ,why is a surveillance state being built on the back of a cackhanded virus response at great expense.
Would the witchfinders have been more credible if the witches had published several detailed plans of what they were about to do ?
I’m with you Nick. The kind of scheming and planning required to orchestrate this whole thing is way beyond any politician, and the super wealthy aren’t interested in working with each other – their egos are too large. Gates has a huge ego and believes he is helping the poor, which makes him feel less guilty for being so rich.
I wouldn’t say there couldn’t be Blofelds like that, but I’d agree that focusing on indisputable harms of lockdown, incidents of inhumanity by bedwetters, and showig the ineffectiveness and disproportionality of lockdowns are betetr arguments for winning bedwetters over. If the conspiracy hypotheses are ture then discussing them won’t frustrate Blofelds’ plans so much as getting the public to turn against the ground level effects of lockdown and defy diktats from that perspective instead.
None taken. We are in serious trouble. How and why is a heated debate on here, but it does not change our basic shared predicament.
I’m not normally one to feed the trolls, but I’ll have go this time.
In my opinion, this is what happened:
And so here we are. There’s no conspiracy: they’re just fuckwits. Dangerous fuckwits, but fuckwits all the same.
“Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.”
I want to believe this…but almost every politician across almost the entire world?
In the past, mass hysteria has generally been confined to no more than nation state level (and often much smaller groups). This is a very real and extremely dangerous phenomenon that never ends well. Could it be that our mass communications technology has actually facilitated this at a global level?
Could be. Also could be that it is not an accident and some clever people have learned how to induce mass hysteria through clever use of said media.
Leaders and followers, nothing new there. Also, one of the arts of politics is to project the illusion that you are in control. If this is done well, it can translate into actual control, but reality is too chaotic for it to be as perfectly orchestrated as some (including myself) would like to believe.
Not facilitated.
Created.
Lockdown and the rest if the bollox was only possible because of the internet and mass media.,That’s why the response to this ‘pandemic’ is so different from that to previous ones. It’s the only reason.
Humans evolved in small groups where social standing and shame were key drivers for daily life.
Contrary to appearances, politicians are human as well. They no more want to be seen to be wrong than any one of us, especially given the increasing number of lockdown-related deaths that are being added to their side of the ledger.
Currently, they are cleaving to the COVID meme because they think that’s the way the wind is blowing.
But the second they sense that the wind has changed, they’ll pile over to the other side of the ship faster than you can blink, and you won’t be able to find a single one of them who thought lockdown was a good idea. Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.
If we let the conspiracy theorists colonise this site, we’re as good as fucked.
Politicians are opportunists, not conspirators.
Opportunists, corrupt, criminal, ignorant or all of the above
You do not need to believe that all the politicians are in on this, although I suspect a lot of them are. You just need to believe that there is an agenda that all are following because they the politicians are being pushed. There is too much pattern in all this for me personally to believe that there is not method in the madness. Just because something is incredible it does not mean it is not true.
And remember, Prince Charles has been telling us about the global reset as well..
“Contrary to appearances, politicians are human as well.” And there’s me thinking they’re lizards.
No, I agree (and I love a good conspiracy theory) – we need to concentrate on facts to win this battle – science and reason to battle the ignorance and superstition of our opponents.
Whether any of us privately believe that Gates or whoever or whatever is behind this should be irrelevant to the core message we need to get across. If we convince a critical mass of people that we are right, and the government is wrong, then the battle is won. And that should be our sole aim (at least on this site).
Your lizard theory would make good acquaintances with David Icke!
I’ve been following Mr Icke’s observations on the Covid-19 phenomenon with interest since before the virus even escaped Wuhan. Take away all the lizard stuff and death cult theories (everyone’s entitled to an opinion) and he’s been spot on so far, from what I can see. He was calling out the dodgy pcr test since the start.
Colonise ? Fairly sure a lot of us have been visiting since the start, MC.
This is what we call a strawman. The vast majority of ‘conspiracy theorists’ would not accept the politicos are calling the shots i.e. conspiring.
‘Adequately explained’ is key. I can’t explain any of this, even allowing for lashings of incompetence. Hope you’re right though.
double down, go for broke
Indeed the country is broke, skint
And is it Ditto for :-
France
Belgium
Netherlands
Germany
Switzerland
Italy
Spain?
N America
S America
Asia
Australasia
Russia
CHINA
etc
You can find a quote to support ANY argument just like you can find a scientific study to suit ANY agenda. Heres a quote that supports mine..
‘In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way”
Franklin D. Roosevelt
You don’t find it a bit strange how so many nations are now pushing for some form of a health passport or that so many world leaders and organisations are saying we can never go back to normal and that the whole of society must be rebuilt (Build Back Better)? Do you really believe that they all came to the same (completely insane) conclusions independently? And why the virtually unprecedented censorship?
I cannot believe that thesis.
There are only 3 answers.
The leaders all overreacted over a novel virus and continue the restrictions in a effort to avoid detection,remember they all reacted in the same way.
The entire leadership of this country and many others have totally taken leave of their senses and are probably clinically mad.
Lastly
Various Globalist groups have planned and waited for this moment.They have cultivated and nurtured the right politicians and given them instructions on how to proceed as they build a dystopian future for everyone but themselves and cement their power and wealth for generations.
Take your pick
I’ll pick the second scenario because at the very least global pharma corporations have been planning this opportunity for years.
Watch Profiteers of Fear swine flu 2009 FALSE ALARM (with English subtitles)
https://vimeo.com/463800252
Germany documentary film ‘Profiteure der Angst’, produced by ARTE and originally broadcast on mainstream TV to German speaking audiences in Nov 2009.
3
Indeed.
https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1G0X000006O6EHUA0?tab=publications
Yes. Groupthink. I refer you to the post that you are replying to: Just fuckwits.
Quite. I might have bought cock up over conspiracy if it weren’t for the global PCR test scandal. That’s my tipping point.
And the identical language right from the start.
What politicians are afeared of, well in this country I’m sure, is a second wave that will account for as many lives as the first wave. Were that to happen they know their goose will be cooked. They are willing to sacrifice a lot to stave off that eventuality.
Surely they are longing for, salivating after, requesting, desiring, demanding and manufacturing a second wave?It’s the only thing that can justify their cretinous actions.
The Government is clearly hoping we’ll have forgotten about the care home deaths and the rest of the collateral damage by next September (or whenever they finally admit that the pandemic is over). I can only assume they think that we’ll be so glad to return to some semblance of normality that we won’t care about holding anyone to account.
Hopefully those that have not benefitted from the ‘new normal’ won’t be so forgiving.
not one of these govts have fallen to date
Agreed.There are no limits to stupidity and selfishness.
I’m still in favour of applying Occam’s Razor: there’s no need to multiply entities beyond necessity.
We’re all just the same. We’re ambulatory bags of meat that exist only to propagate our genes. We’re all good and bad to varying degrees. Some of us are worse than others, and sadly some of those people appear to be drawn to a career in politics.
There’s no need to invoke the image of a shadowy coterie of puppet masters when the actions of the few can be explained by ignorance, venality, dishonesty, vanity, and plain old grubby self-interest.
The reason that this is happening all around the world is (a) everyone is human, and (b) one government panicked and all the other governments followed their lead. Everything else that has happened since is just the ordinary business of covering up for one’s mistakes.
The politicians are all singing the same song about digital health passports and building back better because having seen how compliant the general public has been so far, they’ve realised that right now they can get away with absolutely anything and nobody will resist. Opportunism, plain and simple.
And so finally, in a reverse of Pascal’s Wager I’d like to suggest that if there really is an all-powerful global conspiracy, then there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it.
We might as well pretend that no such conspiracy exists and focus instead on exposing the misdeeds of the politicians for what they are: shenanigans and nothing more.
Serves me right for reading the outpourings of an ambulatory bag of meat, I guess.
Touché. 🙂
Why are they pushing vaccine so much?
Never is a dubious order in itself – and should get people’s spider-senses a-tingling.
The quote lets the malicious get away with everything, as long as they can make it look like incompetence. In fact, soundbite not quote.
Not offended
You may be right but I tend to think not
But unless you can convince me that it makes a difference to our tactics in the short term I will continue to maintain it’s not a priority and we should agree to differ and move on
Toby and Goldilocks are bestest friends.
In any walk of life, I’m always wary of anyone who thinks they’ve got it all sussed out. In any case, it matters not one jot what any of us think when the vast majority of the population are still under the spell of lockdowns. Why squabble over details when the main story is not yet written? Be pragmatic, concentrate energies towards unpicking this regime and we can all pick over the bones when it’s done. Does that sound like a plan?
Very well said.
I have no idea what really drove them, the WEF/climate change zealotry seems to be the most plausible theory sofar, but I do know one thing: the only way they can still be acting in good faith and in the national interest is, if they knew and know something they can’t tell us yet, but are diligently trying to prepare for: an EoE event like the one in ‘Deep Impact’.
I appreciate you mean no offence, but I’ll take offence anyway, thanks, and here’s why:
Principally, the change in tone from “I think there’s something deeper going on” to “anyone who doesn’t think there’s something deeper going on is an idiot, a shill and/or deluded” is deeply divisive, unhelpful and will absolutely, without question put off anyone who comes to this site looking for answers. Not to mention that it puts me – and maybe others – off coming here. You are undermining your own cause and you are making it even easier for the media to dismiss all of us as crackpot conspiracy theorists. I’m not suggesting you should keep it to yourself, but you need to be aware that this is a public space and that – in some ways – it is the public face of the movement against lockdown.
Secondly, what has been happening is completely explicable through poor leadership, lack of political courage, groupthink and media pressure – and yes, all of that is applicable across the world. Not to mention the utter devaluation of the quality of the political classes of the western world in the last 25 years or so. To which, the usual response is “well why is everyone making the same ‘mistakes’?” We’ll, they’re not. There was an awful lot of similarity between different European countries’ approaches to lockdown, but there were many differences at the same time. Even different states in the US took different approaches. There are many more differences in the ways that countries are coming out of their various lockdowns. Some are virtually back to normal. Some are worse than us in some ways and better in others. Some are unequivocally worse.
Thirdly, history is littered with examples of governments making bad, stupid decisions and covering up for them. It does not offer many examples of coordinated conspiracies that came to anything.
I don’t think there’s any doubt that there are agendas at work in the background. Pharmaceutical companies have financial interests and ambitions, the WHO are in the pockets of the Chinese government (and the pharmaceutical companies), the green lobby sees an opportunity, the senior Democrats in the US have found a way to undermine the Trump presidency. The WEF have an agenda, but I know regular Davos attendees personally and – believe me – they’re not much cop at running their own companies, let alone coordinating a complex globalist takeover.
Ultimately, believe what you like. I understand the logic and I can see the appeal of the idea that there is a strategy and a plan, because believing that humanity really can be this venal and stupid is actually harder than believing that this has been done to order. Believe what you like, but don’t criticise me for not agreeing with you.
Excellent and timely second paragraph. I often forget that this is indeed a public space that will be visited and read by many who do not leave comments. I would be interested to see the hits per day history for this website since it was launched.
If it needs that many words to say it, it’s incorrect.
(Or you never learned about brevity.).
Well, in brief: that’s the most asinine response I’ve seen.
You’re getting there. That’s one of the bigger issues sorted. 🙂
Sadly, life is too short to deconstruct the rest. Time might help.
Well said , Sir. I will believe what the fuck I like and do not expect to be insulted for that.
It doesn’t have to be cock up or conspiracy, it can be a bit of both at the same time.
A quick thought on the travel industry/vaccine/vaccine visa.
The concept is you will need a vaccine visa to travel. If the travel industry folds, as it slowly is doing, then there is no (less) incentive to have a vaccine.
They want to collapse travel -see fingerprints of travel restrictions to date. They also need travel to lure people to the vaccine.
It’s another contradictory situation similar to public transport. They want us out of private cars but have made public transport too scary (for some) or too unpleasant (for others).
Perhaps they can throttle the travel industry but put in funding just long enough to keep the incentive there to be vaccinated.
Those contradictions should and will eventually be their downfall and end the plandemic.
Panic on the streets in Torbay as the first possible Covid 19 related death for over four months is made public. The lady in question was elderly and receiving end of life care when the virus may possibly have struck. No doubt there will be calls for a local lockdown.
First possible ….. end of life care ….virus may have struck.
Sounds about right!
Sounds like a horrible experience and my heart goes to you. If she is admitting to not knowing the guidance herself then I would assume you have adequate grounds for a counter complaint at her manner, technique and verbal accusations. It could be a very damning complaint given that an ambulance was called…
Just read the btl comments in the Sun article on the crematorium official who forced the widow’s sons away from comforting her.
There are some heartless bastards in this country, devoid of any emotion, empathy or feelings.
I despair for humanity.
In times like these heartless bastards emerge from the dirt and become useful agents of the powers that be. Tyranny can get very ugly.
Think kapos in a concentration camp
This is the wonderful nation our leader has made of us. Officiousness seems latent in half the population.
But this particular chap’s officiousness might start wakening people up.
Don’t.We know they are heartless bastards.
If we didn’t feel that, I would despair.
We are humanity. Don’t despair of us.
I don’t want to stereotype, but Sun readers and commenters are supporting a newspaper which published ‘the truth’ about Hillsborough…
I like to see what the readership of different newspapers comments are. You may have a fair point there!
Don’t despair. Many of us still have our humanity intact. We will prevail.
So Trump comes out as the first politician worldwide telling us to not fear the virus and the MSM is destroying him for it.
STAY SCARED! STAY MASKED UP! OBEY!!
No change there then! The guy is wrong in their eyes whatever he does. The fact that he didn’t die an agonising death seems to be their major bugbear du jour.
He has gone up in my estimations loads today. What a guy to come out swinging. Top dog.
That is the general idea.
A lot of the media suggests that people should be scared quoting the 200k Americans that have died from this virus.
If they used the same logic with flu then people should be petrified of that.
How about the 250,000 people who die in the US every year due to medical error??? It’s the 3rd leading cause of death after cancer and heart disease. Where is the rolling tally on CNN and all the stories of young lives lost? Surely it isn’t all old people or people with pre-existing conditions making up that 250k.
The MSM have tried destroying him many times, he gaiend and kept power (much as I resented it then). He has a good track record of staying in power despite his divisiveness and getting strong support, much as they’ll try the MSM won’t find any way to gain an advantage for lockdownism out of the headlines about Trump’s infection and recovery.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54440662 Facebook deletes Donald Trump comment because he said CoViD19 is less lethal than flu.
If you tell the truth, you need a fast horse.
Hmmm…what exactly is the issue with that comment?
Nothing’s allowed to be worse than covid!
The thugs guarding shops with thermometer guns, if you cough but say “oh no its bird flu” they don’t mind. “my high temperature’s only rabies” is met with “come right in, good thing it’s not that dreadful coronavirus”.
“Wah orange man bad” of course
Again Trump gives them a loaded gun to shoot themselves.
I firmly believe that we have passed the peak of this cycle of human civilisation and are the unlucky ones to be living through a decline and collapse phase.
At what point in recorded history does anyone think we achieved the zenith of our potential within the limits of the planet’s ability to support us? Ancient Egypt? Ancient Greece? Ancient Rome? 19th century? Never?
A week last Tuesday. About 3.24 pm.
I’d have gone for 3.33pm myself!
I’ll go for a skull & bones 3.22pm but who knows?!
Oooh, just missed it by 2 minutes.
All empires decline and fall.When the British empire fell we became part of the informal American Empire which hid our decline.
What we are living through is the collapse of the American one
Yes, I think the British Empire’s end effectively spanned 1914-1945, and we have been firmly tied to the American axis of power ever since. Now this is in terminal decline, we have nowhere else to go, except into a coalition of zombie states trying to be like China (minus the manufacturing).
But of our own volition! Why?
Decadence. Most empires self destructed didn’t they?
It certainly feels like an ‘end of an Empire’ scenario. But of course what goes down always goes back up, eventually.
Well thats only if we’ve not caused irreversible damage to the worlds ecosystem and I’m not talking about the greenhouse gas effect but also not saying we necessarily have.
We’ve already used up a lot of the easily accessible oil, if civilisation falls back to pre-victorian levels they might not be able to find sufficient resources to take them past coal* and towards nuclear energy. If we fall there might not be another chance for hundreds of millions of years (time enough for future dead sea life and new oil reserves) for a high tech civilisation to emerge, lockdownists, neo-stasis, totalitarians and short termism could very well doom mankind’s only chance to become a multi-planetary society.
*not going to be so hard for them to find as oil, but still the easiest sources are gone
It’s cyclic.
The problem is that you don’t necessarily live long enough to catch the next up-turn. And this is definitely a downturn for European civilization.
Agreed. The visions of the future that our current leadership are offering are distinctly uninspiring to put it mildly. At best an attempt at a managed collapse.
To quote Zhou Enlai: it’s too early to say.
I’m late to this one, kh, so I’ll just say Matt said it all for me. Best wishes, and we will find a way help you if you get in more trouble with the authorities. If there’s a fine, I’ll chip in as I’m sure others here will. If there are legal moves against you, I’ll contribute to help with legal costs and I’m sure others here will as well.
Keep us informed.
I am late too, but know we are all with you.
Stand strong. If I were closer I would be in your cafe every day.
Also late. Also with you. Nil illegitimi carborundum !
Good idea. You could grow some more then all do a supermarket shop at the same time 🙂
Actually, there’s a group in Canada that is doing just that. The Stand Up Canada chapter in Ottawa goes shopping in groups of around 10 — all maskless — and they chat it up in the stores while shopping to remind people of what normal human interaction looks like. I think the Karens are a lot less likely to confront a group of people not wearing masks than if it were just one person. There is power in numbers and I look forward to hearing what you and your fellow sceptics get up to!
Remember the scene in Braveheart near the end when William Wallace is being hung, drawn and quartered and after seeing the pain being inflicted the crowd start chanting for mercy?
I wonder how long people will stand by and watch the current suffering of people before they start calling for mercy.
Indefinitely in most cases. They will turn their heads away as they revel in their own sense of virtue.
As long as they’re allrightjack, they won’t even notice what’s going on.
Stay Free and subvert the world!
Go for it CM!
I am outraged that the BBC (in the form of the thick-looking Marianna Spring) describes people here and on other social media sites as conspiracy theorists because they don’t believe that masks are effective…in case the BBC have forgotten neither UK chief medical officers nor WHO thought they were effective 4 months ago. The WHO “study” allegedly underpinning the volte face has been comprehensively rubbished.
I wonder whether the FSU might want to take this up with Ofcom or the BBC. The BBC cannot be the arbiter of whether official medical advice is correct. In a free society we should be able to discuss the merits of such advice, even if enshrined in law..
Meanwhile, the Guardian has opted to give quite a high profile to the Great Barrington Declaration:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/scientists-call-for-herd-immunity-covid-strategy-for-young
Of course, the bulk of the article is given to academics who are scathingly dismissive, but there are links so at least people can judge for themselves.
An attempt at proper balance for the first time in over 6 months. It’s a start I suppose.
What does “other conspiracy sites mean” isn’t that just verbage?
I do like ‘thick-looking’ stolen and waiting for a good home. Thanks.
Did the BBC make a direct reference to this website?
If they did, then it should be a badge of honour.
Exactly, it’s more PR than Toby could ever hope achieve, and served up on a platter by the de facto state broadcaster.
No. But it definitely linked querying mask efficacy to “conspiracy theory”. Which is itself an absurd conspiracy theory!
The BBC is quote simply the Ministry Of Truth now.
Quite!
Brilliant!
Yes, and did you hear what it was they were playing?!
https://youtu.be/vNg-Opf0_UE
People are sheeple.
😁😁
Ha! Excellent. I was just listening to the original in the car (while illegally crossing the Welsh-English border twice just for the hell of it).
Well done, Mr Dee.
I don’t think it’s possible to illegally cross the border between Wales and England. Bear with me on this. I was thinking about it this morning, as I crossed from Flintshire into Cheshire. It is illegal in Wales to cross the border, but it is not illegal to cross the border in England.
If you drive/cycle/ride/walk to the border from Flintshire, or in your case from Wrexham, you cannot break the law until you *actually* cross the border. Because you are now in England, you haven’t technically broken the law, because it’s not illegal to cross a border in England.
And thanks to the weird way the system works, you can cross into a local lockdown area from England into Wales. And even if they point out you live in Wales, you have a reasonable excuse: you’re returning home.
I’m off to the Lakes now, crossing the border into England again, and passing through several lockdown areas (which is ok to do in England) before reaching Cumbria.
See you all tomorrow evening.
Perfect.
Enjoy your trip to the Lakes.
More importantly, there are plenty of roads across the border which are out in the middle of nowhere, unsurveilled by CCTV and no possibility of them easily placing border posts on all the crossings. Plenty of private property will be cross-border too.
Just been listening to the Kendrick interview. Awesome stuff!
Unfortunately, you can’t speed up the replay but it’s well worth spending the 90 minutes, especially the bit about immunity and the proposed vaccine.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-zac-uncensored-with-dr-malcolm-kendrick-live_W2EGf2HuoMorJVI.html
Kendrick is a jeffing hero. ‘Doctoring the data’ is a brilliant read.
Trump means business. By terminating discussions with the Democrats on the stimulus package, he is send the clear message – open up and get back to normal:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stock-plunge-after-trump-says-he-ordering-halt-stimulus-talks-until-after-election
😍
Wow this is seriously ratcheting up in the last 24hrs! It’s full on Trump v The Entire Press Corp.
The election becomes a referendum on Covid.
It’s a serious game of poker now!
There’s a sense the entire press pack wanted their president in a coffin. They appear to feel cheated he didn’t die on demand and are out for blood. I think they know how epically well it has played out for Trump. They also know Biden is creepy and looks like the banjo dude from Deliverance.
It’s so transparent. All the talk of ‘he’s not out of the woods’, ‘anything could happen with this experimental treatment’.
They’ll be onto the Long Covid claims in no time. Guaranteed
I even saw a meme on Twitter of Dems standing behind an open coffin in which Trump was lying….
Did you hear that Biden called Trump supporters ‘dregs’ today? Like Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ all over again..
Jason Goodman Sunday with Charles walkabout in NYC encountered a coffin mock up in ? Washington Sq’ the demonstrators were embarrassing apologies for people – so uncomfortable to watch them evade questions. Near the start of the episode.
They clearly had his obituary already written and were revelling in gloom while really looking forward to it. Horrible people.
Daily Mail: Coronavirus: Anti-lockdown petition calling for herd immunity reaches 30,000 signatures.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8810977/Coronavirus-Anti-lockdown-petition-calling-herd-immunity-reaches-30-000-signatures.html
30,001 now
Already done that getting to about 40K territory now. Promising times.
Link?
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Our favourite epidemiologist is at it again today:
Prof Ferguson also said there was a risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed with deaths, hospital admissions and beds occupied by Covid-19 patients doubling every two weeks.
He added: “But admissions to hospital, hospital beds occupied with Covid patients and deaths are all tracking cases, they are at a low level but they are basically doubling every two weeks and we just cannot have that continue indefinitely, the NHS will be overwhelmed again.”
Sorry, can anybody remind me when the NHS was overwhelmed the first time?
Charlatan is putting it VERY mildly!
Yeah, so overwhelmed they filmed dance routines and twiddled their thumbs in unused Nightingales. Fuck off Pantsdown.
I wonder how much he was paid to say that.
Or how much the media outlet was paid to feature him.
And who paid them all!
I heard him. He definitely gave the impression that the NHS would be overwhelmed. How could that possibly happen? The government have had best part of a year to prepare additional ICU capacity, stockpile PPE and train up staff. We’ve seen the Nightingale hospitals that were assembled (most currently mothballed).
Some currently being dismantled.
I know of only one closed. As I understand it, most can be made operational in a few days.
Stasi Sturgeon has a tender out for a full dismantling job, she is offering hundreds of thousands of £ to plan the disassembly and a few million to do it. This is not a “keep it ready for reuse” job, this is taking everything down and getting the building that the nightingale occupied back to its old state. And it is while she plans a circuit breaker assault on freedom, she knows the virus isn’t dangerous enough to need those hospitals to be ready, but she won’t relax restrictions. Seems a bit conspiratorial of her.
I can only assume that with the Chuckle Brother’s “50,000 per day”, Hancock’s “hundreds of thousands of deaths” and now Ferguson’s “NHS being overwhelmed again”, they’re in a friendly competition for who can get away with the most outrageous level of scare-mongering without being challenged.
Politico had a good video on Ferguson yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwn6f-WLTI . Just wish he would disappear – he must be in a secret society or similar – how else would someone get so much wrong but still be so influential?
Isn’t it clear now that Ferguson is no longer a scientist (if he ever was). He is an evangelist.
I’ve just had this from my MP, a prominent Labour Member of Parliament. (It’s an improvement over his previous communications).
Dear John
Thank you for contacting me about the renewal of the Coronavirus Act 2020 (the Act).
As you know, the first six-month review of the Act took place on 30 September 2020. The House of Commons approved the renewal of the temporary provisions within the Act.
This legislation contains some of the most draconian powers ever seen in peacetime Britain. I worked closely with my colleagues in Parliament to scrutinise this legislation when it was introduced in March to ensure that any exercise of executive power or administrative action is measured against human rights and common-law standards. These include necessity, proportionality, rationality, fairness, and non-discrimination.
I supported the renewal of the temporary provisions with a heavy heart and in the interest of protecting public health and saving lives. However, I understand the concerns you raise about the lack of parliamentary scrutiny since the Act came into force.
With such strong powers available, the need for accountability is even more important than in ordinary times. I am therefore pleased that the Government announced that, where it is possible, Parliament will be consulted on any future significant measures that take effect across the whole of England or the UK.
I also understand the concerns that have been raised about schedule 21 of the Act, which gives public health officers, constables, and immigration officers the power to take action against potentially infectious persons. It is deeply concerning that this provision has so far been used for 141 prosecutions, all of which were found to be unlawful when reviewed. Additionally, I believe the term “potentially infectious persons” is unclear and could include anybody. I firmly believe that this provision must be looked at again. The Government must also be more transparent and accountable by outlining and explaining the use of schedule 21 powers every month.
More widely, I believe the Government must commit to publishing a monthly review of any disproportionate impact of the Act on individuals or groups and give Parliament the time to debate and hold votes on regulatory changes.
Thank you once again for contacting me about this important issue. I assure you I will continue to hold the Government to account and ensure that this emergency legislation is kept under constant review.
Yours sincerely
He expresses his grave concerns but did he shirk his responsibility and abstain from voting, or did he do his duty and vote against it?
Not many rebels tonight against the rule of 6 🙁
Interestingly MPs are going to have to wear masks in the voting lobbies now – hopefully this might lead to a re-think on mask policy?
Cowards!
Covert surveillance bill – 182 Tories voted for it, the 28 noes were nearly all Labour (no Tories voted no..)
Labour starting to find some teeth at last?
They have teeth?
It’s worse than you make it sound. The state is now permitting a variety of state bodies to commit crime in the furtherance of their duties.
Good job they are always scrupulously honest. (Sarcasm).
https://twitter.com/davidkurten/status/1313556721676234753
And the new cremation bill thing means they can also kill you and dispose of the evidence without any need for an autopsy..
I can’t take any heart from this.
I have been a member of the Labour Party for longer than I care to remember, and I am ashamed of its current raddled state, with the opposition benches filled with principle/intelligence-free time-servers.
If those here can work out what an utter scam is this Covid stuff – using a brain, an internet link and a spreadsheet – any competent MP on 80 grand, and the support that it buys, should have sussed it out months ago.
If not, why not?
FFS. Mine can’t even get out of bed to provide a rationale for her lack of action after almost a month.
And I thought that the Blair/Iraq years were a nadir!
On the fence then. Useless. Grow. A pair Mr MP
But hang on – that’s three more than’s legal! Shame on you.
One for richard o. Have a look at amazing polly’s latest video – ‘it’s your furneral’. Sincerely I see that polly vocalises some great thoughts that align with your excellent comments. Not taking the piss, I think you’ll see that. No link because the video begins with the letter after p. easy to search.
Thanks for the heads up, and for the compliment. I usually dip into her channel once a month.
What has happened to the Tory MPs opposed to the latest lockdown measures? What was there in either Boris’ or Rishi’s speeches spelling out a route map or end game for all the existing measures. Where’s the objective benchmark? Where’s the strategy? Hapless. And at the same time we have that excuse for a human being Hancock suggest that if there are delays or missed treatments or avoidable deaths for cancer somehow it’s our fault for not doing enough to suppress the virus. Where is the righteous rage of our equally hapless MPs. Because I for one am enraged- pretty much every day. I hate it.
Not just Tory MPs. Have any MPs expressed the massive outrage that is due to the little fart?
Desmond Swayna has, made the wonderful “doctor strangelove speech”
“David Kurten
@davidkurten
I will not be taking an unlicensed, experimental mRNA coronavirus vaccine, whose manufacturers are indemnified from being sued when it goes wrong”
https://twitter.com/davidkurten/status/1313308165849702405?s=20
1k retweets most saying me too.
We need a billion retweets
Impressed with David Kurten and not just due to his Covid stance. He seems to understand the concerns of normal Londoners whereas Khan seems to only be concerned about the Davos elite. Shaun Bailey has gone missing and won’t go against Conservative HQ.
Agree
Genghis is reported to want mask-wearing in all public places in London.
Khan seem to look to New York (which also killed off lots of elderly people) as the example to follow – masks everywhere outside. New York has also killed off lots of businesses especially in the hospitality sector, something London seems destined to succeed in shortly.
I think NYC have also done some of the worst in america for both covid deaths and total excess deaths (victims of lockdown plus the few of covid), to my memeory plenty of cities in non-locked states did betetr, and mroe importantly still have their civil rights too (plus still functional economies which rather help).
Typical that a lockdownist like Khan would want to emulate Fauci’s failure.
He made some pro-cash tweets which were a nice refreshing change. Wish he wouldn’t waste his time having opinions on unimportant debates like abortion and christianity though, I’d rather an even more constant focus on protecting civil liberties and free speech (both of which he seems a lot more interested in than the other party candidates). All summed up, Right now, were I a Londoner, he’d be getting my vote.
https://www.covid19assembly.org/post/actual-cases-vs-example-scenario
They’re still doing their best to track the doom graph…
Yes but the number of tests is increasing. The graph should be adjusted for that.
No. The whole point is we’re monitoring what the Drs Doom “predicted”
Its layed onto the graph to-the-moon presented by bill and ben.
Averaging should be applied since bill and ben essentially implied smoothing to their non prediction prediction.
The two previous days drop from trend is noticeable. That casedump spire toppled backwards into the previous three days that upward trend is identifiable for those days. Then two days of lower numbers and a jump up back on trend today.
I think they may need to pull other admin errors to keep up. Once you tell a lie you have to keep telling them.
Current stats for the GB Declaration:
It’s good. But it needs more zeroes.
Slightly surprised not to see Heneghan on the list of co-signatories
Who’d have thought there were so many conspiracy theorists in the medical profession…
Just back from the gym it may be one of the few places that is actually better post-COVID with a general increase in cleanliness from the gym and users alike.
I do feel sorry for the PTs though who now appear to be glorified cleaners on I presume no more pay.
It’s the only place of business I’ve been to where sanity still reigns. Enjoy it while you still can.
Sanity doesn’t still reign in Pure gyms, you have to wear a muzzle going from one piece of equipment to the next. I would stay stuff it and cancel my membership. You are right though about the gym workers, my son works in a gym and that is how they now spend their time, spraying that bloody awful stuff and cleaning.
Any other commenters who normally loathe Trump absolutely loving his retaliations in the next couple of days?
He is the boy. I only wish I could stand behind him shouting, “G’won lad!”
“He is the boy.”
…still in nappies.
What’s with this Trump worship? I’ve been following his career since before he was elected – and he’s a total narcissistic prick and fraudster.
As anyone with a bit of nous should realize.
Accidentally being (briefly) on the right side about Covid as an electoral ploy doesn’t alter that fact.
Who cares?
Winston Churchill was a pissed-up warmonger. He was also the boy.
I wouldn’t mind being a penny behind him!
Well, he hasn’t started any wars?
Can we not get over these tribal divisions at this moment in time? I don’t give a damn about him being a prick and a fraudster. What he said about Covid after leaving hospital was absolutely on the money and we should all be cheering him to the rafters. There is nothing more important than this.
It’s not worship . Anyone can see his personal failings. But there’s no one better for provoking and getting under the skin of the would-be dictators of the Left. And in terms of policy he’s achieved a lot both domestically and abroad. He was right to oppose the export of millions of American jobs.
I’m not so keen on what he said a hour or so ago. Not sure exactly what it was – something about an economic stimulus – but the global markets immediately tanked like you’ve never seen before.
He said that he’s not going to fund more Covid stimulus. Good. The sooner markets are weaned off the funny money, the sooner people will wake up and realise the real costs of this nonsense. I presume Trump is going to say ‘no need for any more support measure, we’ll just open up the economy. If some idiotic Democrat state leaders want to continue with the stupidity then we won’t bail them out’
Exactly right – see the article I posted earlier from ZeroHedge.
Thanks Tigress. Will look for that.
Here it is again – has some updates now:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stock-plunge-after-trump-says-he-ordering-halt-stimulus-talks-until-after-election
*Last… d’oh
Yes, me! Strange times we live in for sure
Yes, that would be me. Still think he’s a narcissistic, feeble-minded, disgusting excuse for a human being but it says a lot about the times that I find him now to be less dangerous than Biden and the Dems. I never thought I’d pray for him to make a full and quick recovery — I’m an atheist — but this is an existential crisis and I’ve been keeping strange bedfellows over the last 6 months. These are crazy times, that’s for sure.
Nearly all top politicians are narcissists. Trump is refreshingly open about his narcissism.
So true! And I do like his political incorrectness. I’ve disagreed with a lot of what he’s done but stopping the “inclusiveness” training within the federal government was brilliant.
Don’t like him at all, but he’s come round to our side and we must see him as a temporary ally. Must say that since his post-infection comments have been coming out I’ve gone from despising him to thinking him, not likeable, but nonetheless right, and hilariously funny in just how badly he is able to mangle his words (still keeping meaning but sounding like he has no vocabulary). He’ll bring the Trump supporting half of america very quickly round to lockdown scepticism, the hope then is that this will provide stimulus to anti-lockdown views everywhere else too.
Last week, Boris Johnson hinted the Rule of Six could be suspended on Christmas Day to ensure a family of five can have both grandparents round for festive lunch.
Does that mean they’ll stretch it to 7?
What about Uncle Ted? Or Aunty Susan? What about the other two grandparents?
The assumptions being made are quite breathtaking!
Also, it makes an obvious mockery of the rule of 6 in the first place. Is covid going to call a truce for one day? Will it double its efforts to kill us all on Boxing Day?
Can’t imagine any of the Johnson clan going with that, bearing in mind the various permutations of children, wives and mistresses.
Doesn’t he have 7 children? Is the baby going to miss out on his first Christmas?
So he’s broken the ‘rule of 6’?
I guess he could claim ignorance 🙂
Of course Covid will take a break – its Xmas after all. It will join us outside for a game of footy and an exchange of gifts, then return to hostilities on boxing day and start killing us all again…But that’s the least of our concerns – we are totally lost if it starts to get feisty before 10pm at night or breaches the England/Scotland border….
Christmas truce. I’m looking forward to playing footie with a Covid on Christmas morning.
Which Christmas Day? Are the Orthodox going to be treated differently?
In fact the Orthodox are stalked by two Covids: the Greeks face a new calendar Covid, who will let them off on Gregorian Christmas Day; the Slavs face a more rigorous Covid, an unsleeping Covid – unless of course the Divine Johnson commands that Covid to respect Julian Christmas Day.
It’s the science.
Rishi on resignation watch?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/06/cabinet-split-tougher-covid-lockdown-measures/
Rishi against further lockdowns and wants to repeal 10 pm curfew. Proposing a new committee to decide – him, Hancock and Boris – so excluding Gove (who is a lockdown dove)
Hope Rishi holds firm – his optimal strategy is to resign now.
The first UK politician to ‘do a Trump’ will clean up
💨
Rich Goldman Sunak as principled ? Don’t make me laugh.
I’m not saying he is or isn’t principled. He is a politician, after all. However, if he sets off a grenade that hastens the demise of this current government, I would welcome that.
He would be sensible to abandon the sinking ship and return to investment banking. Sure he will know how to profit wisely from the great reset.
The 10pm curfew will now be debated in a Commons committee on Monday – a move that could infuriate Tory backbenchers who thought they had been promised the chance to debate national measures in the Commons by Mr Hancock last week.
Did they really expect him to mean what he said?!
Actually it could be a good thing because he’ll just make them more inclined to rebel and maybe cause them to grow some cajones.
I’m not sure Labour and the Lib Dems (who brought the emergency question in the HoC last week) will be happy either.
I hope that pathetic bunch are thoroughly miserable!
Talking to a friend today who thinks she is the only sceptic in her village,everyone else seems to be pretty far-gone into covid la-la land.
She was in the pub a few nights ago when someone told her that she shouldn’t pet the landlord’s dog because ‘someone with covid might have touched it’,she of course told them to piss-off !.
On the way to see her I noticed a pheasant shoot underway,no rule of six or social-distancing there,must of been fifty of them,still,one of the beaters had a muzzle on so that’s all right then.One rule for them and another for us peasants.
You mean for us pheasants.
Yes,we are just cannon fodder one way or another to them,completely expendable.
Were there any pheasant pluckers there?
The Covid demon addresses his grovelling worshippers in the Anglican church:
Christ died for you,
And more fool Christ.
You are not worth
His sacrifice.
Don’t pray to me,
It’s waste of breath.
I offer only
Living death.
All trussed and muzzled
You look well.
Now I shall lead you
Straight to Hell.
https://www.covid19assembly.org/
Join us! Set up a local group.
Neil Ferguson – known as ‘Professor Lockdown’ – warned this morning that pubs could have to shut altogether in parts of England to keep schools open.
The Westminster government’s Covid modelling guru said the extra cases added to the UK’s tally after an Excel blunder painted a ‘sobering’ picture of the outbreak.
He said it was not clear that the government could contain the virus while keeping children in secondary schools – and suggested that the wider population will have to ‘give up more’ to maintain the education provision.
That could include shutting bars and restaurants altogether, as well as extending the October half-term for a two-week ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown to break transmission chains.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8810977/Coronavirus-Anti-lockdown-petition-calling-herd-immunity-reaches-30-000-signatures.html
Modelling guru???????????
More like paid puppet. He’s trotting out a party line that’s two months old and very tired.
In my view, there is/has been a nasty undercurrent of temperance emanating from some of the advisers. Of course, pubs fulfil a role beyond serving alcohol, specifically in allowing ordinary people to meet and discuss the politics of the day. Attitudes to alcohol consumption are puritanical in some circles.
Attitudes to the young too!
Yes, that has been a feature. My son (20) was accosted by an elderly lady on the train today when he took his mask off to drink his coffee. If she had said it to me I’d have told her to P Off, but he is too polite to do that.
Judging by these invaluable testimonies of daily life provided on here, it does seem to be getting more hostile out there. I will gladly continue with my self-imposed self-isolation (now 203 days and counting).
There’s more zombies, for sure, but I was unchallenged for not wearing a mask in Debenhams and Tesco today.
The girl behind the counter in Debenhams even let me off for returning an item back 3 days late!
Whilst queuing for self serve at Morrisons a few days ago, I heard an “excuse me” from behind and thought “ok, here we go!”. I turned to find a young lady picking up a tube of toothpaste from the floor that had fallen from my basket!
There is plenty of humanity out there still, trust me!
Glad to hear it. I really appreciate all of you who confront and defy the new cultural orthodoxy in the flesh, every day.
Needn’t swear, but needs to stand up for himself, and also put rude woman (lady ?!) in her place.
There’s a nasty puritan streak that is finding expression during this coronavirus episode. The Blakeys and Hodges of the world are having a field day.
Haha, Blakey! That image has just made me giggle…he’d be right in his element!
I have been seeing a lot of comments like: “We don’t need pubs, they should be shut immediately”. Puritanical philistinism.
As a smoker, drinker and sceptic I am in multiple crosshairs. It is what it is.
The Puritans banned Christmas and Maypole dancing. 400 years later their successors are in the ascendant once again.
As a smoker, tell me about it …
Ferguson is a dangerous prick – as long as other pricks give him airtime.
Exactly someone should have a word eith him ,outside the pub obviously
But why shut pubs ?
Cause the political class hate pubs unless those pubs are in Westminster of course.
Because it’s a place where people talk to each other – for the government that means exchange of ‘sceptical’ information that they cannot control..
As with much of government policy, I am confused. I don’t understand why schools and pubs are linked.
Do schools being open actually contribute to increased deaths/hospital admissions- or even “cases”? Children don’t seem to transmit the virus, and most schools are “Covid Compliant” – with teachers distancing and sanitising. Mingling at the school gates is one of the many simple pleasures banned.
I’m not sure closing pubs would make much difference either.
Ferguson et al. need to be kept out of harms way.
That’s how these deficient fuckers think.
I think they just make shit up – it doesn’t matter whether there is even a notional rationale as they are not questioned on it, and I am quite sure they don’t know or care what difference any of it would make. It’s just stuff to keep the theatre going.
From what I am reading the schools are indoctrinating children in the Covid narrative.. so advantageous to the government. Also adverse health effects when kids wear masks, leading to ‘opportunities’ for the schools to insist on testing, keep cases rising and of course via testing, build their DNA database..
Kids are younger so more useful to have their DNA for the future..
Modelling guru- graph to the moon author confirmed.
Valance: “Neil, do you think you can times things by 2 and put it into a graph?”
Ferguson: “not sure, Pat. But I’m willing to give it a shot”
Whitty: “Don’t screw it up Neil. We’re going to have trouble looking credible as it is.”
At what point do they step outside his algorithm and look around. Baffling.
I don’t like little twatty Edmunds as well. Another one for ‘the list’.
‘Give up more,’ is the key phrase. Priests of a bullshit religion demanding ever greater sacrifices to their Molloch.
Boris Johnson can stick his new Jerusalem up his fat fucking arse, the flabby sack of shit. If I ever meet the shaggy-haired turd, I’m going to rip his head off and shit down his neck. Fucking angry tonight.
We’ve all been there. Just let it out
Social Distancing:
“Terror can rule absolutely only over men who are isolated against each other… Therefore, one of the primary concerns of all tyrannical government is to bring this isolation about. Isolation may be the beginning of terror; it certainly is its most fertile ground; it always is its result. This isolation is, as it were, pretotalitarian; its hallmark is impotence insofar as power always comes from men acting together…; isolated men are powerless by definition.”
Hannah Arendt
Good reference – from someone who has looked at the issue in depth.
As I can’t find the original comment, just wanted to say well done to NoCheeseGromit for making an effort to promote scepticism on university campus. I struggle to get out of bed these days, let alone put up with hyper-zealous hygiene theatre.
Thank you! Sorry to hear that. I’ve nearly finished my posters now – I could upload them here if you’d be interested in distributing them on your campus too?
You might think about popping them in the Posters and t-shirts topic in the forum.
“While isolation concerns only the political realm of life, loneliness concerns human life as a whole. Totalitarian government, like all tyrannies, certainly could not exist without destroying the public realm of life, that is, without destroying, by isolating men, their political capacities. But totalitarian domination as a form of government is new in that it is not content with this isolation and destroys private life as well. It bases itself on loneliness, on the experience of not belonging to the world at all, which is among the most radical and desperate experiences of man.”
Hannah Arendt
“It bases itself on loneliness, on the experience of not belonging to the world at all”
Such a penetrating insight. For my part I am not lonely at all, just alone. But there is an absolute sense of not belonging to the world at all that, after just 6 months, I have become frighteningly accustomed to.
Published in 1951 but fits the situation today perfectly.
I spent a bit of time this evening chatting to a youngish lady about the “pandemic”. I suppose one could describe her as well-meaning and idealistic. She’s far from sceptical, but not afraid either. Her views on the subject seemed to be quite politicised and bound up with her worldview, and she sees the issue in the context of things like the need to be nice to people, hope for a better future, selflessness. I think she’s naive and deluded, but that’s how she approaches it.
She was happy to listen to me talking about the need for balance in the reaction, considering public health and welfare as a whole. So she did not appear completely close-minded.
On the other hand she talked about the “old normal” not being that great, how anti-mask protesters were awful, though she doesn’t wear one and was happy to talk to us for an extended period, face to face, close up (she was serving us food in a restaurant), how evil conspiracy theorists were, how Swedes were a bit blase about old people dying (while appreciating the freedom she enjoys in Sweden).
Never did she look at it from the point of view of statistics or reality – it was purely taking political positions based on perception of where the two sides stand on certain button-pushing issues. But I still think she’s persuadable.
If we’re to win this battle, we have to get inside the heads of people like her, and other categories who need to be won over, and develop quite sophisticated, targeted messaging for each group. I think we need to be as manipulative as our enemies. I’m a broken record, but there’s a need for a massively well funded campaign (millions) staffed by professionals with input from leading sceptics and their alloes, a la “vote leave”. Sad to see no-one has made that happen yet.
I admire you trying to reason with her type she sounds absolutely incorrigible!
I think more extreme examples of “her type” may be incorrigible, but I don’t think she is. I think there are angles you could exploit, for example emphasising wider public health concerns.
I admire your optimism and persistence but I’m afraid I don’t think it will work. I think people fell into one camp or the other very early and we stand no more chance of moving the vast majority of them than they do of moving us. I actually think it was the same with Brexit. Very few people were undecided and very few people have changed sides since. The best we can hope for is to get the “shy sceptics” to come out of the closet. The country has been fractured on a psychic level which will persist for at least a generation and I don’t blame potential donors for not throwing money into what is probably a lost cause.
You may be right, though I think the key difference between this and Brexit is that this has a dramatic effect on people’s lives – Brexit didn’t/won’t in anything like the same way. Losing work, increased taxes, loss of personal freedom, loved ones denied medical treatment – these will be powerful motivators.
As for donors, it’s easy for me to say as I don’t have millions to spare, but I like to think that if I did, I would happily give it a go – if only for the chance of going down in history as a hero.
I haven’t changed sides on Brexit, I’d still rather remain, but my “rather” has become very slim since seeing the civil liberties crisis of the lockdowns. And I’ve long stopped being bitter at brexiteers, so long as they’re against the lockdown then nothing else matters to me now. Amid the Brexit saga I was a rare kind of individual, one who felt strongly, most people were only weakly to either side, the real hating was done by two small groups (maybe 20% of population, 10% on either side), as even I can forgive the whole Brexit business now I suspect most of the country have forgotten it. In this panicdemic most of the country don’t believe strongly either, but in this panicdemic the weakly polarised are all on the lockdownist side, the sceptic side are all strongly opinionated. I think there could be scope for getting a lot of those weakly held views to drift, we never need to get the small proportion of ultra bedwetters round to our side, as long as we can get up our numbers with the converted (even if only weakly).
One thing that strikes me in your narration, Julian, is the total lack of consistency or rationality that you are describing.
And I think that’s a major problem : so much is at the level of knee-jerk preconception and haphazard thought processes.
None of us are immune to emotional thinking – but it gets as dangerous as simplistic rationalization beyond a certain threshold.
BTW – Is this still Sweden – or are you back?
Indeed, lack of rationality. That’s why different techniques are required to bring people round to our position. Play the SPI-B at their own game.
Still in Sweden. I’ve tried to gently but firmly get the message across as to how lucky they are, in a friendly way as I am a guest in another country. Some are well aware, some not.
The lady I refer to above was actually an Aussie, living and working in Sweden for many years though – but I am sure there are plenty of Swedes who think like her.
My daughter’s school is on two different sites, one for sixth form and one for other years. There is no interaction between the two and are nearly two miles apart. One case in the junior school (in good health and fine). Result whole school shut pending further guidance. Beyond a joke.
The people who make these decisions are as thick as pigshit. That’s all there is to it.
And aren’t these the same sanctimonious busy bodies who used to lecture the working class that taking their kids out of school for a week’s holiday would ruin their education?
Precisely.
There might be a few members of staff who’ve got Long Workshy. They’ve been back for a whole 4 weeks now, they might need a rest?
Just sent to Professor Sir Anton Muscatelli, Principal and Vice-Chancellor of the University of Glasgow:
Dear Professor Muscatelli,
I am ashamed of my university for its recent treatment of undergraduates in halls of residence and for its decision to require face coverings to be worn in university buildings from 7 October. I cannot reconcile the intelligence I remember from your lectures, or that is contained in the pages of Macroeconomic Theory and Stabilisation Policy, for example, with these overreactions. What hope is there if an institution of the standing of the University of Glasgow exaggerates the danger from SARS-CoV-2?
Great to hear POTUS45 was released from the hospital. Love to hear a rational response to the hysteria from some “dissenting scientists” (as if science was built on consensus)…
My ONLY critique is the headline. You just KNOW someone is going to turn this headline into “Right Wingers believe Trump is the Messiah!” I can appreciate the snakiness in choosing those words in sarcasm and trollery, but really?
https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/UK-government-coronavirus-data-flawed-and-misleading
UK government coronavirus data flawed and misleadingGovernment Covid-19 coronavirus data has been a miasma of inexactitude, often basically flawed and misleading
John Edmunds on Newsnight just now. A miserable arrogant cunt. And wrong about everything. No wonder we are in the madhouse we are in if anybody is listening to him. Appalling.
He’s an absolute arsehole. I didn’t see him tonight, but last time he was on the box he was almost breaking into tears about the “second wave”.
Yep. Quite possibly the most cynical of the lot. A real creep.
Yes I remember that. Nauseating.
Another cosy chat with a BBC friend and ally in lockdown lunacy, this time Maitlis. No challenges to Edmunds’ absurd claims. Why did Brazil, Japan and Sweden also see huge reductions in incidence, without lockdowns? Why are Ecuador snd Belgium at the top of the death league when they implemented strict and early lockdowns?
Maitlis pathetic.
Maitlis goes full on Banshee if she’s interviewing a sceptic or a brexiteer but all nice and cosy with a slimeball like Edmunds. Sooner she is sacked by whoever takes over the better.
Does anyone know if Edmunds has enjoyed any funding from any interesting sources during his career?
I’d have more faith in Noel Edmonds
He was all for herd immunity at the start.Was he got at?
Maybe he fucked the pangolin (with apologies to South Park)
Is an excellent piece. 🙂 Have forwarded the link to anyone I assume can cope with seeing Mickey Mouse fucking a bat …
Just received a response from my MP, Hilary Benn. It’s the first response I have received that isn’t a stock answer from his administrator. I was deliberately evil to be fair, here’s my message to him:
And his response:
Won’t achieve anything, but since he’s not going to do anything useful about it I thought – why not get a little bit of joy from rattling his cage?
Tee-hee Tee Ell – you achieved the near impossible…a real reply from an MP!
Judge me, but I like tgat he pretends to be personally offended. Tony Benn stood up – regardless of rights and wrongs he stood up.
It’s very fucking personal to millions. And this over-paid waste of skin is offended. Fuck him. I’m glad that it’s personal.
Making mistakes is part of life. The only things I would feel ashamed of would be if I had said things I hadn’t believed in order to get on. Some politicians do do that. Tony Benn
Now that I’ve got his attention, thought I’d send him a follow up. Decided to try and show a bit of compassion just on the off-chance he reads it.
Tony Benn wasn’t a fascist, unlike Hilary. I wish he was still alive despite not being a supporter.
“I think there are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all frighten people and secondly, demoralise them.”
― Tony Benn
https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1313589764608724992/photo/1
“The grey are hospitalised Covid19 patients by bed type, as of yesterday. Why the media focus only on admissions for one respiratory virus is unclear. There is no public health crisis nor any sign that one is imminent.”
The fact the mainstream media is so determined to push the establishment / globalist narrative so unquestionably should set alarm bells ringing amongst the general public. They just keep on finding (making up) new scare stories.
The media is as deeply committed to the narrative as the politicos. They can’t retreat without losing face, and face is valuable to ‘opinion formers’.
They’re in receipt of government Danegeld.
Mike Yeadon asking for help – anyone here know how to do what he is needing assistance with?
https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1313608501411880962
It’s regarding mandatory vaccinations..
The BBC want to keep their bloated six figure salaries that are in the. gift of the dictator
I was thinking today, if they were so set on the pantomime of lockdown downs. Why did they not open up in May and say then, it might get worse in October and we plan to shut down again for two weeks then. Also in February for two weeks both shut downs coincide with half term and the other viruses peak season. But if things go well we will stay open. We want everyone to feel certain about what we are doing, why and for how long. Plan your lives around this and if we all do our bit we can avoid October and Feb shut downs and make the most of the rest of the year….
That would surely have been honest, direction setting and optimistic while also making people be aware. You could have carried on with protecting the most vulnerable behind the scenes. Stop all the bloody publishing of PCR tests / deaths. Just stop hanging themselves.
This constant shitting the bed every week is so damaging to everyone. What’s the point ? It can only be deliberate now.
The constant pessimism is taking its toll. Leadership by threats and intimidation is counterproductive. Our society is falling apart at the seams because of it.
Interestingly, this has kind of been acknowledged by Dr Hans Henri P. Kluge, WHO Regional Director for Europe today:
https://www.euro.who.int/en/about-us/regional-director/statements-and-speeches/2020/statement-rising-covid-19-fatigue-and-a-pan-regional-response
Thanks for the link, encouraging that this has even been formally acknowledged by the WHO. Shows that such big institutions are not quite the monolithic entities we might think they are.
Actually, it gets better. There is an accompanying framework:
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/335820/WHO-EURO-2020-1160-40906-55390-eng.pdf
I’ve not had any time to fully read or digest, but the 4 key strategies are:
Allow people to live their lives, but reduce risk. Wide-ranging restrictions may not be feasible for everyone in the long run.
Understand people. Collect and use evidence for targeted, tailored and effective policies, interventions and communication.
Engage people as part of the solution. Find ways to meaningfully involve individuals and communities at every level.
Acknowledge and address the hardship people experience and the profound impact the pandemic has had on their lives.
This is more of a playbook that could have come straight from Tegnell et al.
Its just NGO speak gobbledegook. It will have no effect on anything. When they say that there are no more deaths this year than most previous years therefore there was / is no pandemic, sorry we effed up, then I will read and listen.
It’s also starting to see through it.
Because the whole point is the constant psy-op of fear.
James Corbett’s latest is titled ‘I Am A Conspiracy Theorist’, the intro text is relevant to LS discussions.
“If you are afraid of being called a conspiracy theorist, then those words are having their intended effect. I will not censor myself to appeal to the Normie McNormiesons of the world. Yes, sometimes I theorize about conspiracies. And guess what? So do you! Now let’s discuss some evidence, shall we?”
He has a point, or more.
I think as far as Covid goes it’s much better to talk in terms special interest groups seeking to capture public policy for their own, often dubious ends.
We often forget the variances between the responses of different nation states. Don’t wear a mask in the UK? You are sometimes challenged, occasionally in an unpleasant and aggressive way, but exemptions exist. Don’t wear a mask in the Philippines? You are summarily executed on the spot by police.
Up to half of the cases were old and should not been counted as new case during 3 months.Too high Ct in PCR test in Belgium
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/health/134209/coronavirus-test-infection-positive-antwerp-belgium/
“Het Laatste Nieuws was able to consult the results from one of the country’s largest laboratories in Roeselare (in the province of West Flanders) and found that in June, July and August, almost half of the positive cases were in fact people with a previous infection.
The same pattern was reportedly observed in Ghent, Bruges and fifteen other regions. Only in Antwerp did there seem to be many new infections.”
“What power have you got? Where did you get it from? In whose interests do you exercise it? To whom are you accountable? And how can we get rid of you”
― Tony Benn
I’ve never been a party man, but I miss Tony Benn being part of our politics.
I disagreed with most of what he said but still had a lot of time for him.
He was a good man. If only that were true for all politicians.
Who on earth gives their son a girl’s name?
(Sue’s dad is not a valid answer as it’s a made up story)
Evelyn Waugh’s dad?
Unsure about quite what the protesters are asking for, I’m sure some are for ending all the bullsh1t and returning to civilised life (plus some well deserved compensation for all the cr4p they’ve gone through already), but I think some among them are bedwetters who’d just like some more furlough while they cower. It certainly seems to be such a mix from the coverage I’ve seen, or maybe the MSM are just picking up on a few bedwetters in the crowd as a way to try to weaken the anti-lockdown case made by the good people at that “concert”.
The dictator cannot defeat the British people. He cannot defeat love, loyalty, resolve, and family
He is a bum who will be gone soon enough
Bill Gates ‘back to normal late 2021. I say ‘The Best way to predict the future is to create it”
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