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by Toby Young
23 August 2020 12:17 PM

The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdown

George Orwell: Patron saint of left-wing sceptics

It really annoys me that lockdown sceptics are so often dismissed as Tory-voting, Brexit-supporting, libertarian-sympathising, white, middle-class, middle-aged Gammons. Okay, yes, that’s me, but there are plenty of other sceptics out there who don’t fall into any of these categories. And what’s really infuriating is the assumption that anyone on the Left should be a lockdown zealot. Why? As each day passes, more evidence comes to light that the lockdown has caused disproportionate harm to the most vulnerable people in our society – children, the elderly, cancer patients, the BAME community (not all of them are vulnerable, obviously), those suffering from mental illness… the list goes on. And what about the catastrophic effect the Global Economic Recession will have on the world’s poorest people in the developing world, with hundreds of millions now likely to die of starvation, TB, dysentery, etc.? Are left-wing people now just expected to sign up to the mantra of “safety first” and to hell with the consequences?

So it was heartening to get an email yesterday from a woman who started out by explaining she was a Guardian-reading, Remain-voting, Liberal Democrat who voted for Jeremy Corbyn at the last election, but is nonetheless a staunch lockdown sceptic. I’ve published it and it now sits below “The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdown” by Alexis Fitzgerald on the left-hand side. Here are a couple of the opening paragraphs:

Let me preface this by saying that I’ve never been one for conspiracy theories: There was a moon landing. The earth is round. My child is vaccinated. I know there is a virus, unrelated to 5G, whose effects can be severe with tragic consequences. However, I have been sceptical about the official risk assessments since the news footage from Wuhan emerged at the start of the year. And when a global reaction is so over-archingly bewildering that it has “someone like me” thinking there is more to this than meets the eye, something is wrong. I’ve stopped short (just) of believing that China engineered the entire thing to destroy the US economy and take down Trump. I did read the article in The Asia Times that linked to last October’s “Event 201” and find it rather odd this ‘event’ isn’t talked about more in the media. If you watch the video it looks oddly as though some ‘thought leaders’ and TED talk types who had been simulating virus response strategies (perhaps with good enough reason), just couldn’t wait to roll out their global virus-suppression protocol. When Covid came along (Coincidence? We may never know) governments went ahead on the advice of the WHO as if this were ‘the big one’. After Wuhan locked down with a strategy that was fairly alarming even by Chinese standards, our not-so-fearless leaders followed suit around the globe as though it were a game of Simple Simon.

This is not the big one. I say that as a pretty risk-averse person. My young son calls me “over-safety woman”. But as a cautious individual, I also question advice. Education is important in my family. My grandfather was a doctor and a teacher at the ‘Ivy League’ Cornell University medical school, my uncle is a doctor, and two of my cousins have PhDs. I’m half-way through a health-related science PhD myself (I have a long way to go as a researcher, but am trying hard and learning lots). I’m actually only saying that to keep you reading, as personal perspectives and anecdotal evidence sometimes get unfairly dismissed in the current data-obsessed climate. You’ll notice I’ve included no data or stats here. This crisis is about narratives as well as numbers. I’m just a layman (let’s be gender fluid) like many others currently scratching their heads or shouting at the telly in exasperation. All it took was a calculator (the back of an envelope would have done) to divide the number of cases, hospitalisations, or deaths by the population of the UK to realise that the chances of getting or dying from Covid never came close to justifying a full “lockdown” and all the attendant ramifications that you have documented so well on your site. The only positive digits in my calculation were on the right of the decimal point, preceded by a fair number of zeros. It doesn’t take a PhD to work this out.

A luminously intelligent email from a switched-on liberal. Very much worth reading in full.

Cancer Stories

“Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives… particularly if you’ve got cancer because the NHS is no longer treating cancer patients.”

Yesterday, I reported Karol Sikora’s prediction that as many as 30,000 people could die unnecessarily from cancer over the next 10 years as a result of the NHS becoming a Covid-only service during the lockdown and asked for readers to send me their stories about cancer screenings, diagnoses and treatments being cancelled or postponed. Needless to say, I’ve been deluged. Here are a few of the best.

First, a story from an intensive care doctor, just in case you thought it was only civilians who aren’t getting adequate cancer care.

I am a doctor and have been working in ITU.

I am appalled at the current state of the profession, supine in the face of the lack of evidence in all the restrictions currently applied to accessing care. Unfortunately many colleagues appear to have abandoned critical thinking and become zealots.

I’m writing though about my experience as a patient. Earlier this year I had a standard mole mapping appointment. My back has a number of moles I cannot see and these are checked as part of a cancer surveillance programme. On this occasion a malignant melanoma was detected and removed with commendable speed and efficiency. I was as a result of having this lesion placed on enhanced surveillance so that my back should be checked every three months in case of any new melanoma occurring.

I have to state I’m not personally very worried as the lesion removed was slow growing despite its malignancy.

My follow up appointment was during lockdown. Instead of visiting the clinic and having my back inspected and photographed to check for changes, I had a telephone appointment. An audio call, not even video. I was asked if I had any symptoms. Well as I had no symptoms before the first lesion and symptoms are rare unless the lesion is well advanced I did not expect to have any. The point of surveillance is to catch lesions early before they spread. I did in fact have some itch (a symptom…) But told the clinician it was probably the healing scar from the initial removal causing the itch. I cannot see my back and could not tell if any moles had changed shape, size or colour. Nevertheless despite this pretty inadequate conversation I was deemed fine – next follow up in October.

As I say I’m not personally very worried. But this appointment had literally no value and might as well never have taken place. I feel angry for others for whom this might well have been a missed chance to catch a melanoma early and prevent extended treatment and possibly mortality.

Please retain my anonymity. But this is an example of how even when services for cancer are nominally re-opened, due to the exclusion of patients from attending hospital and being properly examined, they are ineffectual.

Now a story from a patient.

I live in High Peak. I have chronic lymphocytic leukaemia and had a course of chemotherapy at the Royal Shrewsbury Hospital in 2015/16. I was due for my annual check-up at the haematology unit there at 11.30am. on 20th. March. A fortnight prior to that date, with travel and accommodation arrangements in place, I was told by phone that my appointment was postponed for six months.

A couple of weeks ago I was informed by letter that, after a review of cases, it was deemed appropriate to conduct my check-up by phone. This would take place on September 11th “between 9.00am and 1.30pm” and it would help if I could arrange to get my blood sampled and tested in time for then.

So a thorough, hands on (!), physical examination and face-to-face interview by and with the consultant preceded by an in-house blood test (result in c.30 minutes) at the hospital unit which has treated me since my diagnosis has been junked in favour of outsourcing the handling of my blood test to me and to my GP who, in turn, has to rely on the testing service at a hospital in Stockport; and a phone call. My next job will be to ensure the test results reach the RSH and are available for the remote ‘consultation’.

I consider myself very fortunate in not being at imminent risk of my life at this time (I think: if the disease develops as predicted in 2016 I shall not require chemo. to save my life again til 2024/5). I am fortunate in being in good shape, physically and mentally, so can do the necessary running around now required of me. I am also fortunate in being already ‘on the books’ so, even though the previously rigorous protocol for the annual check-up has been dismantled, I am still being monitored after a fashion.

Many of the emails I received were from people who are justifiably angry. Here’s one:

My wife was scheduled for a cancer test, being in a high risk category – family, age and history – three weeks ago. She was understandably becoming increasingly worried as the day approached but was telephoned the day before and told that the appointment has been postponed.

FOR A YEAR.

To say that I am angry would be like calling the Universe big. The whole coronavirus fiasco has cost me my business, the career of my daughter and pretty much everything I have spent my entire life working for, but this is too much. Now these odious selfish… (what? I have no words to describe my feelings toward the perpetrators – cowards, tyrants, murderers?) are prepared to sacrifice my wife (40 years an NHS ITU nurse) on the altar of their imbecility. It is too much, it is intolerable. Can anyone give me a hint as to why? Cui Bono?

I best close before my anger, which I feel rising, takes over.

And many of the emails were very sad, like this one:

This is one of the many heart-breaking stories you will no doubt receive.

A very dear friend of ours, who notwithstanding his age (83) was very fit, walking his dog in hilly terrain at least two hours a day, doing all his own shopping, cooking and gardening, started to have digestive problems around February.

He went to see his GP, who took a blood test, said he was anaemic and prescribed iron tablets, which could (said the GP) lead to some minor digestive problems. I helped our friend to devise small changes in diet to increase his natural iron intake.

Things went from unpleasant, to bad, to worse. In March he tried to see the GP again, but by then the surgery didn’t allow patients in, only telephone consultations.

Other medication was tried, the iron tablets remained mandatory, nothing helped!

Finally, last month, our friend turned as yellow as a lemon. The GP relented, saw him, and referred him to the hospital for tests.

The next week he was admitted to hospital a day after my husband took him there for a Covid-test administered while he sat in our car at the entrance of the hospital.

When he woke up from the anaesthesia administered “for a biopsy” he found out that a duodenal stent had been placed. No explanation of the necessity for this was given, “it was necessary”… He discharged himself next day.

Two days ago he received a letter stating that he had terminal pancreatic cancer, that the GP would telephone to discuss further treatments etc.
He now does not wish to see or hear from another doctor ever again. Yesterday, he has had a very pleasant visit from one of the community nurses who outlined how their service will look after him, and has made his peace with God.

Although he asked us to research “on that internet thing” how long he might still live (according to Pancreatic Cancer UK and Cancer Research UK that is three to six months), having informed him about this, he is now dying before our eyes, and will certainly not make it that long.

An oncologist friend of ours in another town had already warned us 2 months ago about the “tsunami” of cancer cases that would hit the NHS as soon as diagnosis and treatment was “allowed” again…

Our friend will now just be another meaningless number in the NHS statistics. I am disgusted, angry, and terribly sad!

Here’s another sad tale, this time about a reader’s father.

My Father was a 79 year-old retired merchant navy officer who had enjoyed a life of good health until being diagnosed with bowel cancer early in 2019. He underwent the major surgery associated with the condition but responded well to the treatment, a testament to his robust constitution.

Unfortunately in the autumn of 2019 they identified secondary cancers which were only able to be controlled with chemotherapy. However, he responded to the chemotherapy remarkably well, side effects were negligible and the count of cancer cells in his blood dropped to a little above “normal”. He was optimistic and we believed there could be at least a couple of decent enjoyable years left for him. He was benefiting from a costly antibody treatment which was intended to prolong life and I was a little surprised that the NHS were prepared to make such an investment in someone of his age, but we were of course delighted and grateful.

In March his chemotherapy was put on hold, to reduce the “risk” of COVID-19. He was already nervous about infection from the normal flu season so there was little possibility of him being exposed to the virus, except in the NHS!

The lockdown meant he was forbidden from seeing his children or grandchildren, living hundreds of miles away. And his life like everyone else’s was closed down.

In April there was a rapid deterioration in his health, at this stage the symptoms I believed were more due to being confined to the house and a lack of normal exercise. He was hospitalised, with no visitors or even social contact from the nursing staff.

A scan revealed the cancer had spread aggressively and the cell count had risen sharply. It is a fair assumption that three sessions of chemotherapy being denied was the main reason for this.

After a rapid decline my father died in June. Whilst we were lucky to get home home for his final days so he did not die alone, he was largely abandoned by the NHS he paid for over more than 60 years as a taxpayer. He was proud to point out he had paid his taxes every week since 1955.

A GP told him that he would no longer be treated and was only to receive palliative care over Facetime. I cannot believe the religious adulation being heaped on NHS “heroes” when all I have seen evidence of is cowardice.

In summary I believe the arbitrary removal of cancer services dramatically shortened my father’s life. However he was well past his “three score years and ten” and seriously ill so we accept he had to go sooner rather than later. However I know of at least one much younger victim of the cancer scandal.

I have heard countless tales from friends working in the NHS about hospitals being essentially shut and cancer services being withdrawn. I firmly believe my father’s experience will be the tip of a large iceberg, one containing much younger lives which have been unnecessarily lost.

The awful thing is, this crisis in cancer care is far from over. The patient backlog is now greater than it’s ever been and this winter there’s a strong possibility the NHS will return to being a Covid-only service.

There will be a reckoning…

Boris: Schools Must Re-Open Next Month

The Prime Minister is at last doing something right, urging schools to re-open in full next month. “No ifs, not buts,” the Telegraph quotes him as saying.

According to a Whitehall source, Downing Street has made clear there can be “no ifs, no buts” in delivering on the national priority. “Schools not coming back is not an option,” they added. “Failure is not an option.”

Senior Conservative MPs have called for Mr Johnson to take the lead on schools and sideline Mr Williamson, amid fears that widespread anger over this week’s exams about-turn has left him incapable of shaping public opinion positively.

Their concerns have been echoed by several Cabinet ministers, with one saying: “We’ve got to get schools back. That’s the test for him.”

Throughout the pandemic, the prolonged closure of schools has been among the greatest concerns weighing on the minds of Mr Johnson and his most senior aides and ministers.

Meanwhile, all 12 of Britain’s Chief Medical Officers have told parents there is an “exceptionally small risk” of their children succumbing to COVID-19 if they return to school. The Mail has more.

The highly unusual ‘consensus statement’ from the country’s most senior experts removes the final hurdle to the resumption of full-time teaching in September – to the relief of parents who have been forced to home-school the majority of children since March.

It continues:

All 12 Chief and Deputy Chief Medical Officers agree that “very few, if any, teenagers will come to long-term harm from COVID-19 due solely to attending school”.

And they say that small risk has to be offset against “a certainty of long-term harm to many children from not attending school”.

The experts also conclude that “teachers are not at increased risk of dying from COVID-19” compared to other workers, and say that the evidence from other countries is that reopening schools is not linked to a surge in cases.

When it comes to the evidence from other countries, English parents don’t have to look very far. Schools have re-opened in full in Scotland and there has been no resurgence in cases north of the border.

It’s not all good news, though. Chris Whitty, England’s Chief Medical Officer, gave an interview to BBC Breakfast yesterday in which he said that opening schools would likely cause a rise in infections and to compensate the Government may have to increase restrictions elsewhere.

A Doctor Writes

A doctor has emailed me to draw my attention to a recent editorial in the BMJ.

I am a practising General Practitioner. I wholeheartedly support your efforts to draw attention to the actual facts surrounding the current SARS CoV-2 pandemic.

I follow your Lockdown Sceptics blog almost daily!

I would like to draw your attention to the editorial in this week’s BMJ which expounds the benefits and virtues of T-Cell immunity which you have pointed out for months .

I read the first paper on this subject shortly after I had recovered from COVID-19 myself. This was from a group in Tubingen in Germany back in April or May. There have been multiple papers confirming these findings since as you know.

It has taken the medical establishment three months to even start discussing this evidence!

Meanwhile, a Professor of Epidemiology at Harvard says parts of New York and London have already achieved herd immunity. According to the Telegraph:

“It’s reasonable to think that some local areas have a substantial amount of immunity. I think there are parts of New York and London which are there,” said Professor Bill Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “It’s really noticeable in certain pockets, but it varies city block to block and we have to be careful when interpreting what it means.”

Experts point to new modelling which has used data on the spread of Covid-19 to suggest herd immunity – previously estimated to be upwards of 70 per cent – could be as low as 50 per cent, or even 43 per cent, as one study found.

Make that 19%. A new German study found that 81% of pre-Covid blood donors had T-cell cross immunity to SARS-CoV-2. From the abstract:

SARS-CoV-2-specific T-cell epitopes enabled detection of post-infectious T-cell immunity, even in seronegative convalescents. Cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 T-cell epitopes revealed preexisting T-cell responses in 81% of unexposed individuals, and validation of similarity to common cold human coronaviruses provided a functional basis for postulated heterologous immunity in SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Worth reading the study in full if the technical language doesn’t put you off.

Postcard From Bogota

A reader has sent me a “Postcard From Bogota“, which I’ve published today. Here’s the opening paragraph:

For the first time in my life I fled from the Police. Running at 7am in my local park all by myself and with a mask over my face, a motorcycle with two policemen approaching on the narrow trail. I saw them early enough and was able to sprint away from the path and hide until they were out of sight. Exercising outdoors is again forbidden, and violation costs a hefty fine (equivalent to $300). My neighbourhood Chapinero was forced into strict lockdown again for two weeks on August 16th. All shops and businesses had to close again (except those which sell food or medicine) and citizens are only allowed outside for emergencies or to buy these products. Colombians have been in lockdown since March 20th and compete with other Latin American countries for the longest lockdown in the world award.

Life in Bogota sounds significantly worse than in England – even Oldham! I was particularly horrified to read that children aren’t expected to return to school until 2021, with predictably catastrophic consequences for the least well off.

Worth reading in full.

Round-Up

  • ‘Hysteria is the most dangerous coronavirus symptom‘ – Excellent article by Asa Bennett
  • ‘Why are the Conservatives governing like socialists?‘ – Great piece by Leo McKinstry in the Telegraph
  • ‘Newsnight’s Kirsty Wark on cancel culture, equality and Paxman‘ – Good interview with Kirsty Wark by Decca Aitkenhead in the Sunday Times
  • ‘Will COVID-19 cause TV shows to run out of episodes?‘ – The Sunday Times asks: Are we about to run out of telly?
  • ‘Were holiday-wrecking quarantines worth it? Even the Government haven’t a clue!‘ – Peter Hitchens asked the DHSC how many holiday makers returning from Spain after it was ‘red listed’ have tested positive for the virus. Answer came there none
  • ‘German Politicians and MSM Misinterpret Data – Latest Increase in Positive Cases is an Artefact!‘ – YouTube video making the case against a second wave in Germany. More cases is just an artefact of more testing
  • Anti-lockdown protest in Ireland – Impressive turnout yesterday, judging from this Facebook video
  • ‘Kenya wildlife conservancies need rescue from coronavirus impact‘ – The collapse of tourism in Africa is bad news for Kenya’s wildlife conservancies
  • ‘New Zealand’s lust for lockdown is the latest example of vapid political virtue-signalling‘ – Good column by Madeline Grant in the Telegraph
  • Podcast of Any Questions – For those who want to listen to me banging the drum for the old normal on Friday while on their morning constitutional, you can download a podcast of Any Questions here
  • ‘Coronavirus “getting less angry” and we shouldn’t fear second wave, claims doctor‘ – Unusually sceptical piece in the bedwetting Mirror
  • ‘Word of the Week: the New Normal‘ – Excellent piece in Spectator Life by Andy Shaw
  • ‘Coronavirus pandemic halts life-saving UK cancer and heart disease research‘ – The Observer reveals that more than 1,500 clinical trials of new drugs and treatments for cancers, heart disease and other serious illnesses have been permanently closed down in Britain, as the entire medical-industrial complex becomes obsessed with Covid at the expense of everything else
  • ‘Isle of Man resident jailed for visiting pubs during quarantine‘ – A Manx resident has been jailed for six weeks for visiting two pubs when he should have been self-isolating
  • ‘Australians have been filled with fear and alarmism‘ – Latest jeremiad from our favour broadcaster, Sky News Australia’s Alan Jones
  • ‘Covid will be present forever, warns SAGE scientist‘ – Does this mean we can dismiss Layla Moran’s ‘zero-Covid’ strategy as utter nonsense?
  • ‘Keep Britain Free Survey‘ – Please complete this anonymous survey for Keep Britain Free, Simon Dolan’s group
  • ‘Safety First‘ – Good piece by the Venerable Dr Edward Dowler, Archdeacon of Hastings, about the Church of England’s failure to rise to the occasion
  • ‘Europe’s Virus Surge Is Looking Less Deadly Than Initial Wave‘ – Bloomberg says what we said on Lockdown Sceptics a few days ago – the so-called ‘second wave’ is much less deadly than the first
  • ‘Get on with your lives! Professor says as coronavirus “not as deadly as first thought”‘ – It’s our old friend Prof Carl Heneghan again. Can he please be made the Chief Medical Officer?

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Four today: “Scared Of You” by Nelly Furtado, “Scared of Everything” by Chris Leggett, “We Like to be Frightened” by Vanik and “Bedwetters of the World Unite” by Frankie China.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened

A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.

Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

I’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 3rd to Oct 13th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 29,500).

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Meanwhile, Joan Collins has written a diary for the Spectator in which she recounts her fight with an officious French police officer.

On a shopping trip to Ikea I wore a new plastic face visor, which I had seen being worn by London hairdressers. As it’s less stifling than a ‘muzzle’ mask, I could breathe more easily. However, an officious gendarme became deeply offended by it, and while I was mulling over the benefits of Ikea’s gravadlax vs its smoked salmon, he pounced. Gesticulating in Gallic fashion, he yelled at me to put on a proper mask, because visors aren’t legal. Chastised, I slunk away, muttering an Anglo-Saxon expletive under my breath, which, as he glared at me, I feared he might have understood.

Shameless Begging Bit

Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation in the past 24 hours to pay for the upkeep of this site. Doing these daily updates is a lot of work (although I have help from lots of people, mainly in the form of readers sending me stories and links). If you feel like donating, please click here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links I should include in future updates, email me here. If you want me to link to something, don’t forget to include the HTML code, i.e. a link.

And Finally…

I linked to Yoram Hazony’s piece in Quillette last week in which he tried to get to grips with why so many seemingly robust liberal institutions, like the New York Times, have proved vulnerable to capture by hard Left Neo-Marxists. I edited that piece and a couple of days ago I spoke to Hazony for the Quillette Podcast. You can listed to that conversation here.

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A Sceptic
A Sceptic
3 years ago

Stupid, pointless and counterproductive. Forced training on this kind of things tends to make things worse, rather than better, in my opinion. But big firms are full of this kind of nonsense.

Small businesses have neither the money or the time to squander on this kind of thing, along with little inclination, thankfully.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
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“Forced training on this kind of things tends to make things worse, rather than better, in my opinion.”

Quite possibly. But I am not at all sure I want to be made “better”. Any government, firm or other body taking an unnatural interest in my “unconscious bias” can jog on. I’m quite happy with my biases, conscious and unconscious. They are between me and my Creator and my wife. Nobody else’s bloody business. There’s no good outcome possible from anything like this, however well meaning. It will always end in tears.

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

When you call it counterproductive, you may be assuming that its real aim is what is presented as its aim.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

‘Making things worse’ is what this Government is all about!

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czerwonadupa
czerwonadupa
3 years ago
Reply to  A Sceptic

Is this accountancy firm introducing this because they were told by some professors in California that maths is racist because it requires a “right answer”
And accountancy needs correct figures so ipso facto they’re racists.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

Attend.

Switch off.

Collect bonus as you pass Go.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

If you’re weak and pathetic. The correct response is to stand up to this crap and refuse to attend, or better still get a job elsewhere

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Less government
Less government
3 years ago
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Attend, create chaos and derision about this farcical “training” and tell the organisers to stick it.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

Sounds a bit like a speed awareness course…

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago
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In which they make you participate otherwise they fail you…

Next time I’m taking the points.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
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I’m sure I would develop a terrible stutter.

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Dave Bollocks
Dave Bollocks
3 years ago
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That’s what I did.

When I looked at taking the course, I added in the cost of my time, parking and fuel costs to get there and back and decided it was better to take the points.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Good for you. That’s my approach too.

If everyone took the points (in which case the fine goes to the treasury, not the “speed camera partnership”) their business model would soon fail.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
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Stopping distances for cars were established in a Ford Anglia, with drum brakes and crossply tyres, in the 1950’s I believe.

From memory, the two second rule conforms to the stopping distances at one speed only.

Steering a car without crossing your arms was developed to manoeuvre heavy cars with no power steering again, from the dim and distant past.

Stopping distances assume the following driver is wholly fixated on the car in front, yet drivers are encouraged to look beyond it and ‘read the road’.

There is no requirement to know what 23 metres or 75 feet (typical stopping distance at 30mph) looks like.

The Higway Code attempts to make the visualisation of this more illustrative by telling us it represents six car lengths, but doesn’t tell us if it’s a Fiat 500 or a Rolls Royce.

There is no driver education on swerving to avoid an incident in the driving test curriculum.

Driving instructors can pass a driving test, as part of their qualification, at a lower standard than new drivers can achieve.

There is/was no requirement for a driving instructor to have taken any further driving instruction e.g. RoSPA/IAM.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Don’t give me your trashy common sense talk and science. What are you so sort of speed maniac?
😉

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Being able to estimate distances would be a society-wide skill in a society that truly valued education. So would being able to work out which way is north during daylight. Etc.

The amount of idiocy regarding driving that exists in some parts of the male population can be staggering. I’ve heard men mock the “P” plates when they are a sensible thing because you do learn a lot during the period when you’ve just become a solo driver. Others boast about not looking in their rear-view mirror much. Some men I met from the Republic of Ireland were complaining about how in that country there’s a three-year period before a newly-qualified driver can count as a supervisor – i.e. learner drivers need someone in the car with them who has had a full licence for at least three years – when again that is a perfectly sensible rule. A car is a f***ing dangerous weapon. It’s not like teaching English as a foreign language.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Mine wasn’t speed it was for people who knew they were doing wrong but did it anyways apparently. The standard of driver at this thing was astonishingly bad! One little old lady had “no idea why she was there” as she “barely touched that cyclist before driving off”. Honestly…. so I push on, big deal, the room was full of awful drivers.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

The best driving instruction I had, back in in the mid 60s, came from sessions with my Godfather who was an instructor oat the Met Police driving school in Hendon. He had the scary habit of suddenly covering the rear view mirror with this great big mit and asking me for the “make and index mark of the car behind you as it’s been there for 10 seconds”!! And I still check that mirror every 7 seconds to this day!!

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I had to attend one of those for the terrible sin of overtaking a split arse who then complained that I had done so. It was the most pointless, wasted afternoon of my life.
Perhaps the most degrading part was having to drive a Nissan Micra having turned up to the event in my Aston.
All this kind of crap is just about making jobs for people who otherwise would have nothing to do.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Backlash

Screwing up other people’s lives is what gets them all off!

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I think you have nailed it!

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I took a speed awareness course. My take home memory from it was,” its the street lamps stupid”
If there are street lamps it is a 30 limit unless there are supplementary signs on them!

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

Which was very sensible in the 1930s when there were very few street lights. Outside those “built up areas” there was no speed limit at all. Drivers were trusted to choose a safe and sensible speed for themselves. Most did. Most still do today.

It’s a pretty poor driver that needs someone in a council office to tell them what speed is appropriate.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago

Stop the world, I want to get off!
Oh sorry, it stopped 2 years ago last March.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Yep: it is not what I was promised when I agreed to be reincarnated. Hey ho, can’t trust politicians even up in the astral planes!

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DomH75
DomH75
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Elon Musk needs to buy a country and everyone who is anti-woke needs to move there!! 😀

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
3 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

Falklands, St Helena,Pitcairn Island?
Yes,yes, I know they are overseas territories as opposed to countries but you know what I mean.

Last edited 3 years ago by Fingerache Philip
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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

Can we drive jeeps, dirtbikes up mountains and shoot guns?
I’m in!

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Star
Star
3 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

Would that be the same Elon Musk who said he wanted his son to choose his own gender?

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The Rule of Pricks
The Rule of Pricks
3 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

South Africa maybe? It’s a beautiful country.

Oh wait – the Chinese already own it

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  The Rule of Pricks

It was a beautiful country before the blacks flocked in and ruined it. Now it’s dangerous, full of corruption and all hope is lost. They ruin everything, the UK next.

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Nah we just stepped into the multiverse.

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oblong
oblong
3 years ago

KPMG the company with a history of serious failings. More concerned about wokery

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  oblong

They’re trying to get back on the list of approved suppliers to HMG. Things must be bad if they can’t make a living out in the real world

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

I have many conscious biases, I guess that’s level 2?

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago

I enjoyed my time at KPMG but God I’m glad I’m out of there now.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

I think it makes sense for KPMG, the essential skills for perpetuating corporate global fraud include glibness, psychopathy, manipulation of numbers and people, being able to lie about your feelings, artificial charm, putting up with corruption and taking it up the arse whenever ordered by your superior – all of which can be uncovered in this sort of training. They are just selecting the best staff for their intended job role.

(Also, the goal is to convert unconscious bias into conscious bias.)

Last edited 3 years ago by rayc
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MizakeTheMizan
MizakeTheMizan
3 years ago

KPMG are our current auditors. They are obsessed with diversity, such that every junior auditor seems to be from Ghana or Nigeria, and every email has their preferred pronouns included in their signature. They also seem to be particularly useless, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence.

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A Sceptic
A Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

I have developed a conscious bias in regard to people with personal pronouns in their signatures.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

Are you nw getting lots of emails from an African prince offering you a magnificent opporttunity?

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

They are thick. For some reason the world feels it needs to hide from this fact, but nevertheless it holds. They are just dense.

Last edited 3 years ago by Backlash
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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

I found them very keen on ‘social justice’ issues in the Perth (Aust) office. RUOK, indigenous reconciliation, all the regular good causes.
But prior to my time at KPMG I worked for Shell, and they were obsessed with that nonsense. Going to KPMG from Shell was like turning the volume down from 10 to 5.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

This is COMMUNISM. Communism as in a nation which is built on deceptions and manufactured crisis and an outright attack on the public consciousness to break people down and essentially make society ill via perversion and distortion of truth and reality – everything turned on its head and painted grey.

Note the parallels:

The Communist Takeover Explained (1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LTrqv3sFE

FULL INTERVIEW with Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion (1984)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yErKTVdETpw

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DomH75
DomH75
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

Yes, the denial of the existence of objective reality and reason is at the core of every dictatorship. We saw this in the COVID-19 era, in the Soviet Union and Nazi-ruled Germany. There was a Star Trek TNG episode called ‘Chain of Command’ which summed up the method perfectly. Patrick Stewart’s Picard was tortured by a Cardassian for military plans: the key to trying to break him was showing him four bright lights and trying to persuade him to say there were five lights, in denial of reality.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

Likewise in 1984.Winston is tortured up to a point when he genuinely sees five fingers when the torturer holds up four fingers. Winston has already realised that the inevitable goal of tyrants is to deny that two and two make four. On the way, they have to erase memory, so that their lies remain undiscovered. Loathsome Bozo and his satanic gang have done that already, to the zombies.

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DomH75
DomH75
3 years ago

It’s the likes of Blackrock who are pushing this crap along with threats of bad ESG ratings. We’re suffering under an unholy union of economic neoliberalism and cultural Marxism.
I’m a freelancer, so I’ve been in and out of many major firms, avoiding the politics that comes with being one the staff. One corporation I worked at for a while had a special room devoted to all this diversity, cultural appropriation, unconscious bias training and other nonsense. The room had glass wall, so you could could see all the posters and the big screen at the front of the room, but when staff went in there for a training session, they would turn a switch and the wall would go opaque. It was deeply sinister. The place was horribly political – every March 8, every woman entering the building was given a bag containing God knows what to impose celebration of International Women’s Day, for example. The regular staff I dealt with were lovely people, so I felt sorry for them having to be told they’re ‘unconscious’ racists, homophobes, transphobes, ‘internalised mysogynists’, and so on.
I’ve been freelance for most of my career and I have no desire ever to go on the staff at any company, no matter how difficult the present Government and HMRC are making my life. I pity anyone who does, because the culture in medium-sized and big businesses resembles a school, rather than a workplace.

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A Sceptic
A Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

Totally agree, that’s why I left big corporates and do freelance HR with small firms, to get away from the madness that working for a big firm entails.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

I am also freelance and have seen the same rubbish going on. One company even had the gall to ask if I wanted to enter a raffle to raise funds for their BLM society. Faces dropped to the floor when I said no thanks, I can’t stand people peddling positive discrimination and I will not clap my hands like a seal cheering on people just because they have a certain skin colour, when all their lives they complain that they don’t want to be treated differently for having a different skin colour.

Much like the BBC/other woke media, the cult is that if you don’t join in and agree then you are a terrible person. We are in danger of losing free thinking people, which of course is what they need to usher in communism. The whole pandemic was an experiment to test our obedience, and we showed ourselves to be weak and vulnerable to whatever they choose to do next.

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paulnb
paulnb
3 years ago

Another corporate loony to go with all the others who insisted on mandatory double vaxxing and mask wearing, even when the evidence of uselessness was staring them in the face

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

Many large corporates have been doing this sort of stuff for a while now. I once sat through 4 hours of diversity training which could be replaced by a single statement; “Respect each other”.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Yes, I’ve been though it, when we were put in teams; and each team had to “direct” an actor in an anti- racist play.
The upshot was that we shouldn’t be rude to people.
The End.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

A work colleague had to endure Cultural Awareness Training because he was getting an Aboriginal as a team member. He said the wrong thing at one point – he told me after, ‘I felt the temperature in the room drop twenty degrees.’

Last edited 3 years ago by Gregoryno6
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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Firms hire KPMG to audit their financial statements. Not to count black and white faces.
As for discussing skiing holidays, private schools, etc., that doesn’t make them biased. It just makes them bores.

Last edited 3 years ago by Annie
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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

‘The accounting giant’s 15,300 U.K. staff could have their bonuses slashed if they refuse to attend future lessons on bias, which will highlight how discussing skiing holidays, gap years and private schooling can isolate others.’

Instead they will have to discuss being stabbed, selling crack and doing a spot of jihad.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

What is the point of bias if you can’t have some?
I’m biased against all sorts of groups and biased in favour of others.
My bias is born of experience, the whole point ofbias is to help you navigate the future based on passed experience.

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DomH75
DomH75
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

‘Bias’ in the real world is simply that you’ve made an observation and come to a conclusion that one thing is better than another. ‘Unconscious bias’ training is intended to tell you that you have to believe what someone else tells you in defiance of your own senses and mind, even though what they tell you is clearly wrong and contrary to what you have observed.
Ayn Rand, whether you love her or hate her, pointed out the tendency of those in power to do this over half a century ago. The fact that many on the left and the right still rage against her shows how terrified they are of facts.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Wait until the very end and state ‘Just to clarify can I or cant I say ‘w#g’?

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Hmm, is that Klingon or Vulcan?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago

The purpose of unconscious bias training is not to correct bias. It has no basis in reality, and psychologists have comprehensively condemned the notion. There is no evidence our thoughts work in the ways they claim.

As far back as Freud it was understood the very basis of civilization was suppression of urges and instincts; a man sees a pretty woman and doesn’t ravish her on the spot. Self control is a key feature of western countries.

It is noteworthy that those they claim need us to be trained about our unconscious bias, the ethnic minorities, are often characterized by their poor impulse control. This is especially true of subsaharan Africans. Casual rape is not uncommon in India too. Something of a scandal we rarely discuss.

I am reminded of the Afghan refugees taken to an air force base in the US following their evacuation a few months ago. While there, under armed guard, on a military base, one of the Afghan men tried to rape a 13 year old girl. When caught and challenged he was baffled as to what the problem was. Such cultural enrichment. No unconscious bias training for him.

The purpose of unconscious bias receiving the star treatment is to pave the way for reclassifying racism and homophobia as mental illnesses. That is the logical next step.

We let these things slip at our peril. Today’s minor annoyance is tomorrow’s jailable offence.

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DomH75
DomH75
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

The insane Noah Yuval Harari (beloved of the WEF and a senior advisor to Klaus Schwab) talks at Davos in front of the likes of Leonardo de Caprio and Joe Biden about the mapping the human genome being a way to ‘hack’ humans and abolish free will. In the world he envisages, anyone accused of deviating from accepted principles will presumably be reprogrammed. Once upon a time this would have been called eugenics!

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Star
Star
3 years ago

Excellent choice of image, which for those who don’t already know is from the film version of Anthony Burgess’s novel A Clockwork Orange.

If unconscious bias training caused BBC officials “not to notice” that the main spokesperson for Remain on Question Time a few days before the 2016 referendum was a transvestite (Eddie Izzard), who was pitted against the normal-looking Nigel Farage for Leave, you’d have thought some at least of the “Enoch was right” types would be chanting “More, please!”

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Last edited 3 years ago by Star
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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

I understand that BT are doing the same thing.

I worked for BT and they had diversity training years ago. I was talking to one of these “Diversity Officers” and she (Asian as well) told me that there was a very high percentage of absentees on the day of the training due to sickness. (I couldn’t guess why).

Also (although BT will never admit it) they wanted to get rid of all the older employees as they were on a good pension and contract. They put pressure on older employees to leave and started having assessment centres where you had to justify the portion you held. I resisted it for as long as possible but they insisted I attended and I took the redundancy package.

I also went on a course to “learn” how to mark people down on their annual appraisal and explain to them why they were bing marked down (it was of course wrapped up in polite terms). It was expected that all managers mark down their staff.

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Star
Star
3 years ago

The background to this is hierarchical conditioning aimed at the unconscious.

Churning out bullsh*t documents and checking procedures isn’t the half of it.

Note that whereas in physical-conflict war it can be preferable to fight wars on someone else’s territory rather than your own (although there are exceptions to that, given the defender’s advantage), this isn’t always true in the “what’s on today’s agenda to get upset about” world of politics.

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago

‘Mr. Michael later apologised for his comments.’

An therein lies the problem.

Last edited 3 years ago by Catee
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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago

The most openly anti-black person I’ve ever met was a female Sikh employee of KPMG.

Her well-meaning white female departmental senior manager was so convinced that only whites are racist that she made the Sikh the mentor of the only black trainee in the building! I did try to tell her….

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

I always found the Sikhs to be excellent people.

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

They are, of course, a warrior race….

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago

I see this kind of activity as straight political propaganda, unconnected with my job. There may be some justification for HR staff to undertake this training – but none for purely technical staff.

However, looking at the FAQ from the Free Speech Union, it appears that staff in general do not have the right to refuse to attend such ‘training’, and do not have the right to disagree openly with the ideas being expressed.

Is that really the case?

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rtaylor
rtaylor
3 years ago

With centralised digital money there is no need for “creative” accountancy practices. Well not on the plantation workers’ side. Every transaction recorded on a blockchain. This latest wokery is part of the controlled demolition. Merchant banks will follow by apparently going woke and broke.

Keep your eye on the bond repo market after this summer’s sports bread and circuses finish.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago

I’ve had to endure this but the examples of “unconscious bias” they used were so outrageous I had to wonder if the people forcing it on us were justing doing it as a box-ticking exercise – “if you think all black people are lazy or all women are terrible managers you may suffer from unconscious bias”.

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Backlash
Backlash
3 years ago

All he did wrong was to apologise. I never would have

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago

I did my company’s unconscious bias training a couple of weeks ago and scored 100% in the exam and therefore I am an expert.

I’m off to the Asian corner shop to get some bubbly. Always nice and cheap in that shop, probably knock off.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
3 years ago

Unconcious biasses live in the deepest recesses of the mind and are effectively built in. Altering unconcious bias is a long and difficult process and it seems pretty superficial to think it can be altered by a lecture or two.
Subconcious bias is a different kettle of fish, but the pschologial and medical communities apparently have different definitions of unconcious and subconcious.
Is this yet another example of the woke using pseudo-psychologial mumbo-jumbo to advance their cause and to paint those they despise as the problem, whereas in reality they are the problem?

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Dave Bollocks
Dave Bollocks
3 years ago

Most people will go through the motions and ‘do’ this training.

Eventually, these companies will realise it’s a waste of time and money and they’ll quietly drop it.

Some other fad will replace it.

Rinse and repeat.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

I am in agreement with Mr Michaels comments, the people who get paid for running these courses won’t be in agreement

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pjar
pjar
3 years ago

I was once obliged to attend a course of a similar nature. It was when we were asked to do some fatuous presentation as characters from ridiculous children’s TV programme, that I finally baulked and refused to take any further part.

I don’t mind at all joining in with the high jinks of people I know, but making a fool of myself in front of strangers is anathema to me… it, quite literally, makes my skin crawl.

I was taken aside and told that it would reflect badly on my further prospects as I would be marked as not being a team player, By this stage I’d realised my days were numbered anyway, so told the ‘trainers’ that I was really, really unhappy to continue and I’d rather sit it out, thank you.

Oh, the title of the course? “Respecting other people’s boundaries”.

Last edited 3 years ago by pjar
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Less government
Less government
3 years ago

Designed to disrupt and divide. The road to hell.

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lorrinet
lorrinet
3 years ago

Just when you think you’ve passed the point of peak madness another deranged leftie comes along and assures you that you haven’t.

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