Dead Souls
Zugzwang, a reader of Lockdown Sceptics (not his real name, obviously), has written a great essay which I’m publishing today. The opening three paragraphs set the scene:
The anti-hero of Gogol’s Dead Souls, Pavel Ivanovich Chichikov, had his reasons for cultivating the nobility of a provincial Russian backwater, and buying from them, for a nominal sum, those of their serfs who happened to be dead. This saved the vendors an amount of poll tax (which continued to be payable for some time after death) and transformed Chichikov himself into a gentleman proprietor of some 400 serfs, potentially capable of raising a large loan on these assets and eloping (presumably under another name) with the Governor’s daughter.
When I first read Gogol, I found the whole idea totally obscure and mystifying, and I’m not sure that he ever spells out in words of one syllable how Chichikov’s business model is supposed to work. There’s a highly respectable view that the whole thing was always intended as pure shaggy-dog, and it’s only fitting that it breaks off in mid-sentence, as an act of Shandyean surrealism.
Compared with the COVID-19 mortality statistics, however, Gogol provides us with a paradigm of lucidity. Chichikov had found a way of monetising actual serfs who merely happened to have died. We have a Government agency, Public Health England, which seems to be busy manufacturing statistical deaths, to no purpose that makes even Chichikovian sense.
He then goes on to disect the official Covid death data and can discover little rhyme or reason:
Since July 17th, the daily death statistics from PHE have not been published directly by the Government, which is currently “investigating” them. But they do go on being input into the Government’s coronavirus dashboard, which is fed by PHE. Not only that, they continue to illustrate the official thesis that while the virus may be on its way out, it is going very, very, slowly. The rolling seven-day average number of deaths per day on July 26th was 66, holding its own with 68 the week before. No decline recorded at all – and 444 deaths reported by PHE in the week ending July 24th.
The thing is, though, that it is entirely mysterious where these deaths are occurring. For the week to July 24th there have so far been zero deaths reported in Scotland and Northern Ireland and just one in Wales. In the hospitals of England, the total recorded deaths (according to the NHS) were 67. So we have 376 unaccounted for (85% of them).
I’ve given it pride of place on the right-hand menu under “Are Sceptical Voices Being Suppressed?” Worth reading in full.
America’s Frontline Doctors
A group of sceptical doctors in the US, including Dr Dan Erickson, one of the two Bakersfield doctors, held a press conference on the steps of the US Supreme Court in Washington yesterday in which they talked a great deal of sense. They pointed out, among other things, that the lockdowns across the US are causing more harm than they’re preventing, that COVID-19 is treatable and that the vast majority of the population, e.g those under 65 without any co-morbidities, aren’t at risk from the disease.
Needless to say, America’s tech giants quickly moved to suppress the information. Breitbart News posted a video to Facebook yesterday which became the top-performing Facebook post in the world before the social media company removed it, and YouTube and Twitter removed footage of the press conference too. You can still view it on Breitbart, however.
The same group organised a second event yesterday at which they sang the praises of Hydroxychloroquine. If YouTube has taken it down by the time you click on this link, you can find the information at AmericanFrontlineDoctors.com.
Cat Tests Positive For Coronavirus
Oh no! Time for another panic. A cat has tested positive for COVID-19. The BBC has the story, although for once the news organisation is trying to tamp down the hysteria.
A pet cat has tested positive in the UK for the strain of coronavirus that is causing the current pandemic.
Experts say it is the first confirmed case of infection in an animal in the UK but does not mean the disease is being spread to people by their pets.
It’s thought the cat caught coronavirus from its owner, who had previously tested positive for the virus. Both have now recovered.
Health officials stress the case is very rare and no cause for alarm.
Reminds me of the story about the goat testing positive in Tanzania. The President, Dr John Pombe Magufuli, promptly sacked his chief health advisor, taking this as evidence that the test being used was unreliable. I wonder if the Covid cat might also be a false positive? The BBC doesn’t record whether the moggy was retested to confirm the initial diagnosis.
Heart-Rending Stories
I’ve been sent a harrowing story by a reader who works for a cancer charity.
I don’t know if this story is helpful to you at all, but I work for a national cancer charity answering support calls. I had an extremely distressing call the other week from an 90 year-old lady whose 69 year-old daughter who was in a hospice due to her advanced cancer.
The lady told me that she hadn’t seen her daughter for months – since lockdown was imposed – and knowing her daughter didn’t have long left she drove to the hospice, desperate to see her, only to be refused at the front door. Worse still, she said she was verbally reprimanded by the manager for trying to come in and told that she was putting herself and everyone else at risk.
Her daughter died a few days later. She never got to say her goodbyes….
On the phone to me, the lady was emotionally distraught, crying inconsolably. She also told me that she lives alone and had been self-isolating herself since February, which she has really struggled with as well. I have been supporting cancer patients for many years and never been lost for words, but on this occasion I was. I just felt so angry inside.
The prevention of people being able to say goodbye to their loved ones is, for me, one of the most shockingly under-covered stories throughout this whole lockdown. I’m sure this is not a one off….
And another reader sent me this story. Pretty awful, too.
I have a rather depressing story told to me by a close friend.
Her grandmother died in hospital at the start of lockdown and sadly, having tested positive for COVID-19 and locked in a Covid ward, she was not able to see her family in her final days. As it happens, the cause of death was certainly not Covid as she had been struggling with cancer for some time.
Upon trying to recover the grandmother’s belongings, however, my friend’s family were told that they were missing. The items’ total value was a sizeable four-figure sum as she had been wearing her jewellery at the time of her death. After months of wrangling with the hospitals and fears the items had been stolen, they finally received a concrete response.
The hospital said that at the time of the grandmother’s death, guidance for dealing with Covid patients’ property had not been set up, leading to large build-ups of personal property at the hospital. When guidance did materialise it stated that personal clothing (at the time, it has since changed), were to be disposed of. The hospital admitted that the likely outcome was that, due to the pressure the hospital was facing, the grandmother’s jewellery had been disposed of by mistake along with her clothing.
Of course, this caused great distress to the family in question and it has led me to wonder how many families were similarly affected. It is not inconceivable that due to this absurd guidance, the total value of patients’ lost items could be millions of pounds, and many deeply saddened families.
This whole saga seems typical of the whole national response to Covid, where an easily sterilisable item, such as an engagement ring, is thrown aside in the name of irrational Covid responses. I feel that stories and scandals like these are going to continue surfacing for months to come.
No Second Wave in Spain
Will Jones, a contributor to Lockdown Sceptics, has written a good piece for Conservative Woman about the needless panic over Spain’s “second wave”.
While there has in the past month been a surge in cases, mainly in Catalonia, there has been no corresponding surge in deaths nor in serious cases, which remain notably flat, indicating a surge so far either among the low risk or in the number of tests only.
Further considerations are that half the new cases in Spain are asymptomatic and we have no reason to believe that the asymptomatic are infectious. In addition, with the number of people being tested so high, and the percentage of cases so low, it’s likely that some of the uptick is due to false positives. The antigen test is notoriously unreliable, as this episode illustrates, when six out of seven staff members at a Scottish football club who’d tested positive turned out to be negative when retested.
In other words, the newly-imposed quarantine for travellers returning from Spain (and the Spanish islands) is completely pointless.
Who would have guessed?
As Alexandra Phillips points out in the Telegraph, the Government’s U-turn on quarantine travel restrictions is straight out of The Thick of It.
Worth reading Will Jones’s piece in full.
Risk of Catching the Virus From Inanimate Surfaces or Objects is Tiny
A reader has flagged up a recent comment in the Lancet saying the risk of catching COVID-19 from fomites – inanimate surfaces or objects – has been wildly exaggerated. The author – Professor of Microbiology, Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics at the New Jersey Medical School – points out that the studies purporting to show the virus can survive on fomites for up to six days all used huge quantities of live virus that bore no resemblance to real life situations.
In a study in which the authors tried to mimic actual conditions in which a surface might be contaminated by a patient, no viable SARS-CoV was detected on surfaces.
He concludes:
In my opinion, the chance of transmission through inanimate surfaces is very small, and only in instances where an infected person coughs or sneezes on the surface, and someone else touches that surface soon after the cough or sneeze (within 1–2 h).
Phew! This means there’s no need to “quarantine” food deliveries for three days before consuming and no need to remove clothing that’s been touched from rails in shops.
But I think we all knew that anyway.
Examples of Newspeak
I’m thinking about introducing a new regular slot featuring Orwellian use of language by the mainstream media. Here’s a gem: “Protesters in California set fire to a courthouse, damaged a police station and assaulted officers after a peaceful demonstration intensified.” (This was tweeted by ABC News in the US.) I don’t suppose I need to spell this out, but if protestors set fire to a courthouse, vandalised a police station and attacked the police, how was the demonstration “peaceful”? It’s reminiscent of that now famous BBC headline about the BLM protest that turned ugly in Whitehall: “27 officers injured in largely peaceful anti-racism protests.”
If readers notice any other examples of Newspeak, email me here.
Round-Up
Here’s a round-up of all the stories I’ve noticed, or which have been been brought to my attention, in the last 24 hours:
- ‘Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional: week ending 17 July 2020‘ – Latest ONS data shows the number of deaths registered in Week 29 from all causes was 3% below the five-year average
- ‘The Biggest Fraud: Part 1 – The Hocus “Science” Behind Lockdown‘ – Investment whizz kid Barry Norris on the fraudulent science behind the lockdown
- ‘The Biggest Fraud: Part 2 – The Vaccine Scandal‘ – Not the usual anti-vaxxer rant, but a thoughtful analysis by Barry Norris of why a coronavirus vaccine is unlikely to be effective
- ‘The virus has taken our liberty. Must it take our humanity as well?‘ – Lord Sumption makes a powerful argument for returning to normal in the Telegraph
- ‘FCO tightens Spain ban to include Balearics and Canary Islands‘ – Airlines have announced no refunds for people cancelling flights to the Spanish islands
- ‘Quarantine to be cut to 10 days for people arriving from Spain‘ – Government announces returning travellers from countries not in the travel corridor will only need to quarantine for 10 days, not 14. The plan is to test them after eight days and if they’re negative allow them to leave their homes two days later
- ‘Rise of the anti-maskers: The psychology of why face coverings are causing so much upset‘ – Reasonably even-handed piece by Sarah Knapton, Science Editor of the Telegraph
- ‘Higher Ed and the Fragmentation of America‘ – Excellent piece by former Senator Orrin Hatch about what can be done to eliminate cancel culture in US universities
- ‘You can’t defeat racism with censorship‘ – Great piece by Fraser Myers in Spiked on why state regulation of social media is a terrible idea
- ‘Selfridges to cut 450 jobs as sales fall “significantly”‘ – Not Selfridges! Is no department store safe?
- ‘PM Johnson commits two billion pounds in cycling and walking health drive‘ – So let me get this straight. Boris is spending £2 billion to save the NHS £200 million? Something doesn’t add up…
- ‘Why herd immunity to COVID-19 is reached much earlier than thought – update‘ – A follow-up by Nic Lewis to his May 10th article on why herd immunity will be reached earlier than thought
- ‘Sweden: The One Chart That Matters‘ – Good piece by Tyler Durden in Zero Hedge. The chart in question is the one showing the number of people dying from COVID-19 in Sweden has fallen to almost zero
- ‘Woke warriors threaten our sense of identity‘ – Trevor Philips on the money as usual in the Times
- ‘Patrols set up to prevent wild camping as police crack down on “illegal” staycations‘ – Just when you thought the authorities couldn’t get even more draconian, families camping in the wild are being arrested by the police
- ‘Google to Keep Employees Home Until Summer 2021 Amid Coronavirus Pandemic‘ – But of course
- ‘McDonald’s revenue falls 30%‘ – Only 30%?
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Three today: “Everybody’s Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey” by the Beatles, “Let’s Not Go Shopping” by Robbie Williams and “House Arrest” by Gorgon City x SOFI TUKKER.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A couple of months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re now focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all. Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
Note to the Good Folks Below the Line
I enjoy reading all your comments and I’m glad I’ve created a “safe space” for lockdown sceptics to share their frustrations and keep each other’s spirits up. But please don’t copy and paste whole articles from papers that are behind paywalls in the comments. I work for some of those papers and if they don’t charge for premium content they won’t survive.
We created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, but they became a magnet for spam (apologies for mixed metaphor) so we’ve temporarily closed them. However, we can open them again if some readers volunteer to be moderators. If you’d like to do this, please email Ian Rons, the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster, here – and thanks to those who’ve already volunteered. We’ll be re-opening the Forums soon.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
I thought I’d create a new permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard. The one featured above is available for free here and has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here. The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. And you can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from eBay here.
Although bear in mind that some mask Nazis are so deranged they may just go completely nuts if they see you not wearing one in public. In San Diego, a man having a picnic with his wife in a public park was maced by a woman for not covering his face.
Meanwhile, here’s Peter Hitchens railing against face masks on Mike Graham’s TalkRadio show yesterday.
And you can sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website to end mandatory face nappies in shops here.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
In the latest episode of London Calling, James Delingpole and I talk about being part of the anti-mask rebel alliance, why Covid rule enforcement appeals to aggressive conformists and the unconvincing rhetoric of Sasha, the Oxford BLM rabble rouser. If you enjoy the podcast, please do subscribe.
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Am I first?
Then I’ll begin…
By repeating what I put on the old thread.
Terrible how our country has been destroyed by dogma,
Thank God for this site – an oasis of sanity in the great Saharan desert of mass hysteria.
Not normally a toady but much praise and many thanks to Toby for making this oasis – this community of the sane and sanguine – possible.
I second, third and fourth that.
Thank you Toby, a beacon of sanity, midst the madness
You’ll be getting death threat from HawkAnalyst!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/27/no-10-quarantine-u-turn-straight-thick/
No 10 quarantine U-turn is straight out of The Thick of It
Down-ticked, as too slow.
I think we need suggestions for slogans. Either to say to people or to leave lying around.
My suggestions are : “Do you honestly think THEY are wearing masks?” and “Hysterics and grown-ups. Which are you?”
Tricky one trying to sum everything up…
“Masks are murder”? (H/T to Morrissey).
“A free people are not a masked people.”
“Fact: 99.9% of people have not died of Covid.”
99.972% in the UK apparently.
According to MSM in Ireland, you are not allowed to say that:
https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-survival-rates-5103495-May2020/
Apologies for linking to a COVID19 bed wetting site.
About as honest as a BBC Reality Check! These are genuine survival rates – just as we talk about half a country’s population surviving the bubonic plague so we can talk about 99.9% plus surviving Covid-19… which was touted by the likes of Prof Ferguson as a modern plague.
I loved the generic bit at the end about how to work out whether what you were being told was ‘misinformation’
“ Finally, see how you feel after reading it. A lot of these false messages are designed to make people feel panicked. They’re deliberately manipulating your feelings to make you more likely to share it.”
Because trustworthy mainstream media would never stoop this low. Perish the thought.
lol! Of course not!! They wouldn’t put scary bass note synth noise as a soundtrack for their news reports would they?
Are you wearing the mask or is the mask wearing you?
Mike, I honestly don’t think we’ll ever get through to the ‘true believers’ of this spamdemic. This, a ‘debate’ I tried with one on another site yesterday
Dope:(about slogans) How about “I decline to wear a mask, because I don’t care about my fellow man”.
Me:How about ‘ I decline to wear a mask because decades of available scientific research shows that they are ineffective and cause more harm than good. Now, get a grip children’
Dope:That’s right. Nobody wears masks in hospitals.
Me:Can’t believe you wrote that.If you think wearing a mask in Tesco is the same as wearing a mask in hospital, then you must have the intellect of a peanut.
Dope:The reason they are worn is the same.
Me:I feel embarrassed for you.
Dope:I find those that protest against vaccination and masks rather embarrassing.
Me:Very cerebral
Conflating not wanting to wear a mask and being against vaccinations is very, very sinister.
It’s becoming a thing.
Similarly, being very concerned about the side effects of a rushed vaccine isn’t the same as being an “anti-vaxxer”.
See here https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy for a side effect of the 2009 swine flu vaccine, which 6 million people in the UK received (I only found out about this yesterday… very disturbing)
It’s definitely very weird and sinister the way the UK seems to have, in a matter of days, adopted the same consensus of virtuous unanimity regarding masks, as is found in the USA.
They’re brainwashed, hypnotised, mind-controlled. It is quite weird to see it in front of us, though.
(I also doubt the ‘unanimity’).
I know 2 women that went into a coma after receiving the swine flu vaccine and died
Slow boiling frogs!
Don’t infect me with your fear
A badge for the maskless: “This is a fear-free zone”
Zombies wear masks.
Human beings don’t
Which are you?
Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.
You allowed to vote?
‘Distrust and verify’
From Mike Pompeo’s excellent anti CCP speech last week.
Masks are not about safety, they’re about compliance.
Certainly they’re nothing to do with safety. The manufacturers of the commonly-seen ‘blue masks’ are now printing disclaimers on the box. Note the wording CAREFULLY:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec9KBE7WkAIH7Yt?format=png&name=small
The masks do not provide ANY protection against Cv19. Not “limited protection” – ANY protection. ANY!! In other words, they are TOTALLY EFFING USELESS!
Even worse is the suggestion by HM Dictatorship that an ear-loop mask (see disclaimer above!) can be made from a bit of old T shirt, and that this magic talisman will prevent infection. I mean, this is beyond obvious now.
It’s all about Compulsory Vaccination, folks. (Or at least, that’s Step 1 of the Agenda.) Stop the Compulsory Jab and you start to jam a spanner in the rest of Agenda 21, Agenda 2030 or whatever the Central Planners call their Orwellian superstate.
Don’t take my word for it – here’s Our Saviour Billy Gates to tell us plebs what he and his Overlords have in store for our glorious new future:
https://youtu.be/ZQcvuftqXFY
Masking kids is child abuse.
“Masks do more harm than good”. I’ll expand on this shortly.
How about: “This thing is all but over. We need to get back to normal – old normal. With your mask, though, you’re telling us you want it dragged out even longer.”
Maybe add “That’s selfish isn’t it? Thoughtless too.”
And if you feel like launching into a lecture:
“Evidently we will never agree on this. Resolve, as I have, to try to live politely with people who do not agree with you and who never will.”
DEPERSONALISING
DEHUMANISING
OPPRESSIVE
Always goes in threes dunnit?
https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1287681814295961600
“When anyone tries to gaslight you by calling you a ‘crank’ , a ‘tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist’ or ‘Flat Earther’ for having perfectly legitimate & sensible concerns over a rushed through ‘Coronavirus’ vaccine & its side effects, just send them this.
So, it will all be the FDA’s fault!
Mr Gates should consider that he is rapidly becoming a hindrance, rather than an asset, to his bosses.
BG “the side effects are just super-painful”.
Cheers Bill, that’s alright then.
Essensially, what is the difference between wearing a tin-foil hat to protect oneself against microwave radiation, and wearing a mask which lets through viruses, to protect others in case you are carrying a “deadly disease” which is currently killing less than the Flu in July?!
I’m going to steal that. Thank you.
the difference one works and the other doesn’t
aluminium foil stops microwave radaition and masks don’t stop viruses
http://www.bioinitiative.org
‘Let Leicester out of lockdown’: Council sets out its alternative to continuing local restrictions
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/let-leicester-out-lockdown-council-4369044
One of the comments:
Not going to happen folks, just received my letter from Department of Health & Social Care saying Leicester City, Oadby & Wigston wil not have shielding relaxed until at least the next review on August
Yep, know some people in the Leicester Gulag and that’s what they’ve been told/heard. They’re not happy…
Professor Karol Sikora on Twitter:
“Hospital admission data is such a useful way to track our progress.
The 7 day average for English hospital admissions is now well below 100. It was around 2700 at the peak.
Patients in mechanical ventilation beds also much lower.
No signs of any spike in that data.”
Colleges Plan for Virus Testing, But Strategies Vary Widely
https://www.newsmax.com/headline/virus-outbreak-college-testing/2020/07/26/id/979054/
If a single student attends Colby College under this policy of invasive abuse, they have rocks in the heads and probably should be determined ineligible for a college degree due to obvious mental incompetence. My god, how gleefully colleges are rehearsing a US culture of widespread gulag.
Spot on Ted.
Nando’s is selling quarter of Peri Peri chicken for just £1.85 as full menu is reduced – Essex Live
https://www.essexlive.news/whats-on/food-drink/nandos-selling-quarter-peri-peri-4367202
The problem of false positives from Covid-19 tests means UK is inflating its numbers – and taking wrong decisions
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/495982-false-positive-covid19-uk/
face the facts
you must wear a mask
on the face of it it seems a lot to ask
but you must wear the mask
really we shouldn’t have to ask
and should have paid more attention in class
then we wouldn’t have to harass
you non wearing subclass
face the facts
wear the mask on masse
Jumping Jack mask
it’s a mask mask mask
so i fixed a date with this lass
she turned up wearing a mask
i thought how is she gonna blow my brass
so i poured some wine in her glass
and i dared to ask
if i could fill her crevasse
i thought shit we’ve reached an impasse
so i took her to an Indian
and we ordered a madras
she told me she was catholic
and we need to go to mass
she went into the Chapel i sat outside on my ass
she found salvation i smoked some grass
shit this is a poem about a mask
then i heard a bang and the state dropped teargas
seems a little crass
if you mask me
Our new Rabbie Burns.
my love is like a red red rose
she wears a mask everywhere she goes
so i finished with her because i can’t be doing with it
Echoes of Ivor Cutler
http://www.ivorcutler.org/
The Scaremonger-in-Chief warns business of ‘second wave’ – FT and others. Last week it was ‘everybody back to work’. What’s going on?
Yet more disinformation, aimed at hiding the truth.
I have been saying for some time, he is mentally unfit to continue in this job. It is a dereliction of duty that the rest of the Cabinet, the 1922, and the Conservative party are allowing him to continue. Note also he says this today when the WHO appear to be changing stance – again – on whether there can/will be a second wave.
We need an international people’s trial over this. To the highest standards, surpassing their system, outside of their courts. The people of the world simply act responsibly together and put the main protangonists on trial.
I don’t know about an international trial but, if anybody was prepared to mount a legal challenge centred on the argument that the current system has forfeited its legitimacy, I think there’s a good chance the British courts would order a constitutional overhaul – there are a few obvious changes which could transform the current system and would be very hard to argue against: An Age of Misrule.
Simon Dolan did and it was thrown out, now going to appeal
Well, it’s likely that any constitutional challenge would fail in the High Court (because it’s only the Supreme Court that has the authority to make that kind of ruling). But I don’t think Simon Dolan was challenging the underlying legitimacy of the system as it’s currently constituted; my impression is he was claiming the government had acted outside the existing rules (though I haven’t looked in detail at his arguments). Even if he wins at appeal, all it will mean is that Parliament will vote through redrafted legislation that plugs the gaps – it won’t establish a principle that governments can’t make unreasonable laws.
I missed this bit of news – are the WHO now saying there’s going to be a second wave, when previously they didn’t – or is it the other way round?
Ewan Duffy posted this on the previous thread (about 3 hrs ago):
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0728/1155918-coronavirus-global/
Thanks. There does seem to be some sense in this statement (I always assumed the “wave” thing was based on comparison with the 1918/19 Spanish flu, where the waves were actually different viruses, or the same one mutated – not resurgences), less so in how the world is responding to it.
It’s crazy how, worldwide, both governments and media sources seem almost desperate to panic over “surges” in cases, which are usually more down to increased testing than anything else. There is no attempt to provide context, reassure people, or do anything constructive – it’s as if society wants to stay in a state of fear for as long as possible.
That’s the plan!
I think society has broken down into individual madness. Specifically large numbers of unthinking proles went mad together and then ‘individualised’ as society imploded, but still haven’t regained their wits.
The programming was very skillful, and based largely on ‘fear of death’. Not an easy task to repair them.
Nonlinear warfare: https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/nonlinear-warfare-a-new-system-of-political-control-adam-curtis-2015-the-goal-is-to-undermine-peoples-perception-of-the-world-so-they-never-know-what-is-really-happening/
its a psy op
Apropos missing jewellery after a death in an NHS hospital: when my mother died and her effects were returned to me, her money and gold wedding ring were missing, likewise a duck-down pillow I had given her. I informed the administrator that she had until 5 p.m. to find the ring, after which I would call the police.
Surprise surprise, the ring turned up.
Reason #649 why I did not clap for the “angels” of the NHS.
Yes, when I read that bit my assumption was that it had been nicked
When is the pandemic over? It was easier in the days of epidemic or pandemic flu and no mass testing. When the excess death was back to normal everything was over. Mass testing now is finding cases, asymptomatic, old cases and false positives but are they dying? Obviously not according to total death data. But not with Covid-19 which is like Hotel California ‘You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.’ below quoting Michael Levitt’s tweet
“Retweet to focus. Is there a way to determine ‘when it is over’ other than by excess death dropping back to normal? This is done with flu every year. Large-scale PCR testing for Influenza virus RNA would lead to much higher deaths ‘WITH flu’. Can co-morbidity be ignored? Help me!”“The total excess death in Europe in 2020 has not changed for 9 weeks. Still the number is large with 175,000 COVID season deaths since 1 March. This is equivalent to about 25 days of natural death (50,000 natural deaths/week in Europe). It is the burden of death of COVID19.”“It turns out that reported COVID19 deaths in Europe did not stop when excess deaths did. The additional 16,600 reported deaths (9.4%) since 24 May are not excess deaths. Some of those who died of COVID may have been close to natural death & cannot die again.”
I think we have to assume that those in control do not want it to be over
Yes, one feels that this must be rather how German generals (and the boss himself) must have felt towards the end of WW2. They were in a terrible predicament and causing dreadful national suffering and destruction by prolonging the war, but the thought of all those trials coming along afterwards meant that they could not surrender and limit the damage!
I think this is more like WWI, where there was one big stalemate from which no one wanted to back down and which just went on destroying lives pointlessly.
“like WWI, where there was one big stalemate from which no one wanted to back down”
Until the 1918 pandemic shook them all up!
I think you have it there Stewart.
O level History C1970 ‘outline the war aims of the major powers in WW1.’
France-don’t lose
Germany-don’t lose
Britain-don’t lose
Russia-don’t lose.
more like 1917 in Russia
Yes. This has to be faced.
Yes, the pandemic is a global outbreak of deadly policy making, a very very stupid media culture, coupled with the industrialization of PCR testing capabilities. There is indeed no exit from this mess until that sad day when it is clear that these fools (in and out of government) have torn the entire social fabric of countless societies to shreds and all kinds of other deaths will dwarf those attributed falsely to c19. I am thinking of the decades long societal breakdowns in post-soviet states after 1990 and the unprecedented increases in suicide and alcohol related deaths. Depressing, yes. But at this point I see no other route but through it.
In my view PCR testing is a very useful powerful tool, when I was working in arable agriculture we used to use it but you had to use it in conjunction with professional assessment of the symptoms and the history. If you simply rely on the test it becomes the master rather than the servant.
That is what seems to have happened with Covid and the testing system has become a monster driving this nightmare along. As you say if we took this approach to outbreaks of normal flu or the common cold we would be eternally locked down. Nobody in Government seems to have the brains and the bravery to think this through, stand up and challenge what is going on.
Those videos are scary… not only what they say, but the fact that they were completely banned. This fascistic social media needs to be brought down.
A bit off topic I know but I’d like to ask a question. It’s at the end in bold.
This doesn’t bode well:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-defence-teams-up-with-world-leading-uk-space-company-to-secure-next-generation-of-military-communications
Wasn’t Skynet the system of computers and machines that went anti-human in Terminator? Yes it was and the company was Cyberdyne.
This now has me worried, there really is a company called Cyberdyne that does a robot suit that is called HAL (the psychotic computer from 2001).
This is getting too freaky:
https://www.cyberdyne.jp/english/products/HAL/index.html – HAL [Hybrid Assistive Limb] is the world‘s first*1 cyborg-type robot, by which a wearer‘s bodily functions can be improved, supported and enhanced.
What is it with all these reports about space defence at the moment?
Found Ronald Reagan’s speech, there is a video clip on here if you scroll down far enough, it’s below the one with Bill Clinton saying the same. Apparently Reagan brought the subject up a few times in his Presidency:
https://fightingmonarch.com/2020/04/23/project-blue-beam-ufos-nwo/
and
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/exopolitics_reagan03.htm
Assisted by maybe:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_bluebeam04.htm
So can someone tell me are we being prime for something or am I now too paranoid?
Maybe it’s a case of life imitating art? So, the company is Cyberdyne because of Terminator & Hal because of Space Odyssy. Not saying it’s not freaky, as I am definite with Will Smith’s character from I, Robot.
And there was also this:
“The U.S. Army has signed a contract to study and exploit materials from unidentified flying objects. It intends to use what it learns in order to develop new weapons platforms.
I can confirm that at least some of the source material was retrieved from crash remnants or materials sourced from UFOs.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/us-army-signs-contract-to-study-ufo-material-and-make-better-weapons
And this….
“The Pentagon recently confirmed and officially released three UFO sightings caught on camera. These videos show Navy pilots interacting with what the Department of Defense called unidentified aerial phenomena.”
https://cryptidlab.com/ufo-sightings-confirmed-pentagon/
Don’t forget that even business owners have a sense of humour.
Got a couple of answers from the son and a friend:
Son – At least we know how to kill the terminator knife to back of neck Me – does this work for Gates, Handjobs and Boris?
Friend – https://medium.com/skynetproject/skynet-open-network-an-integrated-solution-for-large-scale-intelligent-iot-interconnection-1961edbbb7b8
They already told us. https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
We need to organize better.
Ideally internationally.
For a start, we need a symbol, like a uniform badge and/or mask (where inevitable) to wear and thereby signal our grown-up and scientifically supported dissent!
Doctors are trying to coalesce around acu 2020
Don’t like the sound of ‘inevitable’. However …
Something based on a Swedish flag perhaps?
Thanks again for all the useful information and links. Not sure about this though:
Although bear in mind that some mask Nazis are so deranged they may just go completely nuts if they see you not wearing one in public. In San Diego, a man having a picnic with his wife in a public park was maced by a woman for not covering his face.
A lot of people are really nervous about taking a stand against masks and many, including me, don’t want to wear a lanyard to label themselves. Do we really need US-style fear-mongering and do we want to give the mask Nazis ideas?
Please also bear in mind that when people wear masks you can’t gauge their expressions. That is why ‘they’ want us in them. The wearer looks hostile or scared (possibly true anyway). It is very unlikely that we would get anything more than the odd comment. Don’t let scare stories put us off. If someone objects, don’t tell them anything and calmly invite them to keep their distance.
Agree.
In many US states, the woman who maced people would be ‘filled with lead’. Probably sensible of her to do this in California.
take a deep breath and try it
If you are exempt you don’t have to wear one
Some shops do not ask at all
I get a feeling that the BBC is trying to down play the ‘cat story’ because they don’t want to incite a full blown covid cat cull…
Give it two weeks for this story to mutate, the we’ll all see what it’s about.
… Ooh lizards can pass it on do you think? Should I flush my iguana?
Oh NO! So David Icke and me were both right about the lizards!
Our lizard overlords have ensured that they are immune to the illness
OH goodness, don’t tell my Mum she’ll be first in line for the cat killing.
It’s a dead cat story…
Handy, because we are all waiting for the dead cat bounce.
If you put the cat in a box with deadly covid will it be both alive and dead at the same time? Can PHE count it regardless?
They probably already have!
Oh dear, first an emergency, then a crisis, and now we have a CATastrophe!
My dog supports a cat cull.
My friend really dislikes cats (we have 4!) and has already put on FB this morning that cats shouldn’t be let out to spread the virus! I have to say she was one of the first to isolate, but after 12 weeks of doing that, she was going stir-crazy, so has relaxed somewhat – until now …
Facebook is poisonous and so are people like your ‘friend’. Friend?
It’s been said before, weeks ago, nothing happened.
Reposting my post from yesterday’s (as only posted an hour or so again) as people may have missed it and it is a good insight into the Quango/trust/ government culture
I have just been listening to The Great Post Office Trial on BBC Sounds. This covers the huge scandal over the last 20 years where issues in the Post Office counters Horizon computer system led the Post office to criminalise and bankrupt 100s of innocent sub postmasters. At the time Post office was government owned. Worth listening as it shows how such operations lie. hide and obfuscate – these being the same sort of operations and people as NHS trusts and other Quangos.
Interesting to note that the Chief Executive for much of this period (from 2012 to 2019) was Paula Vennells . She left Post office when the sh*t finally hit the fan and walked into the posts of Chair of Imperial College Healthcare Trust and as Cabinet Office board member. And unbelievably she was awarded a CBE for services to the Post Office.
Do you see a pattern here?. The merry go round of people moving from Board to Trust to Quango hiding their errors. Then you can understand how the SAGE, PHE, hospital trusts and government collectively can leave us in such a dire situation. Enjoy…..
Check out Simon Steven’s at PHE. He was so bad at Mid Yorkshire Hospital Trust that he was rapidly moved on. But lo and behold, popped up at PHE & look how that has gone!
she did her job, get rid of small businesses running post office franchises
At last, some good news – I have access to Boris’s private office and have just glimpsed the draft of his speech to the nation tonight. Let me share it with you:
Well folks, we did it! We beat the virus!
I stand before you today, armed with the latest figures from our world-beating Office of National Statistics, and can tell you that we are beating Death itself! For the fifth week in a row, fewer people have died under my administration than the average over the past 5 years.
Furthermore (although every one of the 10,000 deaths each week is a tragic loss for those involved), I can tell you that, last week, only 1 in every 30 of those deaths is associated with Covid19. We will now focus our attention, and the attention of our great NHS, on the causes of the other 29.
So I declare today 28th July, VC Day, a public holiday to celebrate our great Victory over Corona.
For every death associated with Covid since March, we will have spent £6m of your money, and we now urge you, the great British public, to do your bit to get your money back by earning and spending with renewed vigour.
From this day forward, it will be a crime to wear a mask in public, as we do not wish to put fear into the minds of those who have been fearful. It will be a crime to work from home, for those who have an office to travel to. It will be a crime for schools and universities not to open their doors fully, to all students. It will be a crime for retailers and local authorities to display any signs of social distancing in shops and public areas.
I expect to see pubs and restaurants, sports stadia and places of worship, full of a public who are rejoicing in the knowledge of this great victory. I have agreed with our friends in Europe that you will be able to go on holiday, without let or hindrance, and the showing of a British passport will spare you from any requirement to abide by any local restrictions that remain in their countries.
I had hoped that we could put the last few months behind us, and travel forward together, hand in hand, but I feel that sacrifices have to be made on the altar of public opinion. I tell you that today, I am standing down as Prime Minister and have asked Lord Sumption to form an interim administration. I have asked my close colleagues Matt Hancock and Dominic Cummings, as a reward for their endeavours during the crisis, to spend 10 years on St Helena setting up a home for distressed politicians, and I have requested my dear friends Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford to join them there.
So it’s goodnight from me, and good luck to the rest of you!
Boris
If only!!
I also note that Covid hospital cases are way down
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-uk-hospital-admissions/
It does make you wonder what more has to be done to draw all this nonsense to a halt? It really has become like a never ending medieval witch hunt.
Exactly – was with a medical professional at the weekend – firstly no worries about social distancing – handshake proffered straight as out of car ! Then talking to them and said the been told local hospital here (large regional city hadn’t had anyone for five weeks in Covid ward) – not surprised at all and said pretty much true in London as well. It has gone and yet the muzzling madness continues. To all those here nervous about resisting – keep going and be strong – it’s hard but really important – am not without nerves myself when I go into places but people soon back off.
Thanks, this is heartening. Here’s my twopence worth:
T’other half and I are in a community group and we’ve had a meeting with someone from a local council to discuss some local infrastructure issues (I’m being deliberately vague as I don’t want to get anyone ‘done’) The meeting was outside but there’s one large, indoor area where people are theoretically supposed to muzzle up. It was showery.
All of our group are old, some quite doddery and there were 7 of us including the middle-aged guest. At least two of us, including my husband are ‘extremely vulnerable’. Only one person produced a mask and I told him that, as a doctor, my advice was to leave it off. I’m not a doctor. Anyway, straight off it went!
During the meeting we were in and out of the indoor bit as the showers came and went. Nobody put a mask on at any point even though there was a man and 2 little boys hanging around with muzzles on-off-on-off, pulling them about, fingering them etc.who didn’t seem in the slightest bothered about us.
There was also a marked increase within our group in scepticism about the Government’s motives and the coming appalling economic crisis. The council person told us her husband had been furloughed and his hours have been cut in half. ‘Loads of redundancies in the National Parks.
I had been quite anxious about both this meeting and my train trip tomorrow for a music lesson. Every night now I wake up several times and I’m aware my mind is racing, even in my sleep. Bad as this is, I am now convinced that I would be in an even worse state if I were a zombie. You can (or could before the sodding muzzles) see it in their faces. On some level, I swear they know that they are being had. As for our group, it was as if we, aided by the sensible attitude of the professional, were able to give the others ‘permission’ to be normal and it worked – on this occasion at least!
Anyway, more good news: Walking home, apart from 2 dick-heads in their twenties walking along in big masks (one with a hoody) who obviously thought they looked really cool, we saw no more muzzles. There was a huge crowd of young folk outside a cafe all crammed round a small table, having a great time. Even better, we went in the local shop for a bottle of plonk. The owner is a moron (fortunately absent) but the woman on duty didn’t blink an eyelid when we went in without muzzles, closely followed by a young bloke, similarly not buying in to the crap. Phew!
Brilliant!!
And, then, you woke up?!
We wish.
Again posted yesterday by Steven Farmer but everyone needs to see it as it explains where government policy has come from
https://youtu.be/FwvZql6RToE
Neil Oliver on masks. “The inhumanity starts when you can’t see someone’s face”. Wonderful stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk0u0XFki5g&start=900
Just got a text from my doctor’s surgery, inviting me, if I qualify (that is, have I had CV or any of the symptoms in the last 15 days) to join the following clinical trial:
https://www.principletrial.org/
Has anyone been sent this?
I was invited to do something similar. Avoid.
I avoid anything generally that requires any of my details – NHS database, the finger-print access to library (was suggested for my kids when they were at primary school, and we were the only parents to object). The less the ‘powers that be’ know the better!
Going on holiday – the quarantine trap, meaning forced quarantine and tested on the 8th day – therefore going on holiday they take your dna.
We need a trial holding to have these criminals shown for what they are.
Plus there is no way to prove that the testing kits are not contaminated. There is no chain of evidence for the person being tested.
I’ve just had a letter from the health centre saying that “In line with government recommendations all patients over the age of 45 should have had a blood pressure recorded within the last 5 years.” I wondered if they would seize this opportunity to test me for the virus. Shan’t go, anyway, as they also say, “Please ensure that you are wearing a face mask.” Extraordinary, that after four months of the health centre doors being barred to sick people, lest they infect, potential germ-carriers are being chased up for unnecessary close contact.
A study into seeing the blood pressure rise from mask wearing perhaps. It’s unforgivable how these GP practises have wimped out. I’d be temped to go and give them a word or three. Better you do as you plan Gillian!
we also objected to fingerprinting of children for the school library and canteen
Don’t do it. I’ve uploaded a link in my previous comment. Even if you had the virus the dead Covid cells are still detectable in a test.
They’re not tests that’s why. What are claimed to be tests are properly used for replicating large numbers of DNA strands for experimentation. These viral fragments (remembering that a virus is merely a non-living fragment of genetic material anyway) are RNA, which means they first need converting into DNA, and then are replicated en masse, conceivably introducing errors, and that is how they claim that someone is infected. All that from conceivably just one random fragment – I’ve seen nothing to suggest that they have the faintest idea how much is within the person in question. Never mind that most are not actually ill, and so hardly qualify as being ‘infected’ in the conventional sense.
I’m sure that either on here or on one of the linked articles (the latter I believe) it was stated that the so-called tests come with a disclaimer: ‘Not to be used for diagnosis of Covid-19’ or something to that effect – so why is that exactly what they’re doing?
Mrs 2-6 got one, part of a “randomised” serology testing project. Straight in the bin.
Was looking at these yesterday:
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=covid-19&term=&cntry=GB&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search
https://www.clinicaltrialsregister.eu/ctr-search/search?query=covid-19
https://bepartofresearch.nihr.ac.uk
maybe something on one of these will tell you more about it.
I did too
Was thinking of getting a swab to send for analysis (to see if there’s anything untoward in it) or swabbing a pinapple and seeing what they say!!
Or just not sending the swab back and seeing if they say I’m positive anyway!
Even a blind man can see what’s going on:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53564949
Phew I just couldn’t click on that for a while thinking it WAS going to be something about pets and covid, I just couldn’t go there, thank goodness its about a famous dissenter speaking out against the cult of covid.
Good on him … Beautiful voice,
But what does this mean???
Bocelli has since claimed his comments were “misunderstood”, adding that his foundation has helped many people who have had the virus.
Would not be in the least bit surprised if there are soon reports of an increase in people asking vets for their pets to be euthanized, DIY jobs or of pets being abandoned.
That happened at the beginning with the mythical Hong Kong dog … plus dogs homes being going bust, so they’ve been PTS en masse as they couldn’t rehome and had run out of money.
Another aspect of this whole shitshow is the price gouging going on with puppies. A year ago I got a whippet bitch, she cost £700. Now if you go online, people are selling them for £2,500 – £3,000. People seem to be buying puppies while furloughed or working from home. No doubt many of these poor animals will end up in shelters when owners return to work, or lose their jobs.
I have horses, fortunate that I have a bit of land, so I don’t pay livery, just upkeep, even so it’s a ridiculously expensive pursuit, with insurance, feed, vet, farrier, teeth, jabs, wormers, injuries, bust fences and it goes on and on and on! Already hearing reports of dumped horses, even through furlough, that 20% was the luxury hobby portion of people’s wages. We already had a horse welfare crisis before all this started, so chances are that beloved gee gee ends up on a meat lorry to France. Even the idiots saying it was good that horse racing was suspended have no idea how ruthless that ‘sport’ is, if horses aren’t making money, there’s no sentiment involved, they are surplus to requirments, there’s no golden retirement, it’s dog food, that’s it.
As for dogs, we lost our beagle recently, that’s the third pedigree to cancer, I’d already decided I’m never buying a pedigree pup ever again, it was already a racket before this, but I dread to think of the welfare crisis coming.
Then they came for – my cat.
Anyone comes for my cat, they’ll have to fight me first!
Quite!
I believe that the government is now exceeding any previously existing level of public goodwill and is (finally) heading for very big trouble. Nearly a million have already become unemployed due to their policies, millions of actual or potential holidays are being disrupted at massive personal cost (both financial and mental) and the three stages of furlough wind-down are now coming towards us very soon with millions to become unemployed.
Well, de Pfeffel, you are, I believe, about to discover that there is a limit to how far people will be pushed!
I do hope your last sentence comes true! Let the masses rise!
I desperately want to believe that last sentence…
I hope to God you are right!
If we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic with large numbers dying, how do you explain the increase in unemployment. If workers were dying in large numbers organisations would not need to make staff redundant if staff were no longer needed and I have seen no instances of job vacancies being created due to having to replace dead staff. The black death created a labour shortage.
Bec, did you see the clip posted by MiriamW above of the woman spraying mace in the faces of an unmasked couple having a picnic in a park? If they are prepared to brazenly do this to other human beings in full view of witnesses then I have no doubt that they honestly believe that any (violent) action is justified in the fight to conquer this deadly disease. Best keep your cat in lockdown for a while…..
Sorry for the language, but I hope the bitch gets done for aggravated assault – I can’t see what else that would qualify as.
Please note I was actually quoting Toby and I don’t think that he should have included it!
No need to apologize- my thoughts were far worse
No T.Prince. Please read my post again.
Anyway, let me clarify that I was taking Toby to task for posting that because I thought it was fear-mongering!!
Miriam, I didn’t see it that way, it just shows what we’re up against….
I can see this in a few weeks time, dogs aren’t allowed to be walked outdoors, and cats have to remain in the house. Then there will be the Army going round shooting cats and dog that are outdoors like in China.
Pets aren’t sustainable, they eat too much meat and cats kill birds and keeping a pet is Crule
Is how it might go.
I hope not.
That poor, poor woman not being able to see her daughter, and the poor lady with cancer, imagine not being able to hug your mum at the end of your life? I have honestly just sat and cried my eyes out. What are we doing? It’s just so cruel.
I dread of think of the elderly, isolated people all around the country, sinking into to despair, cut off from everything that gives comfort and meaning.
What has continued to shock me through all this, is just how self-centred people are, how much empathy they lack, it’s a total failure of imagination about other people, what’s wrong with them???
I keep being told I’m ‘selfish’ and when I say, ‘in what ways have I ever made this about me? When have I done anything but point out what this is doing to others?’ I get no answer.
And having lost one dog to cancer a couple of weeks ago, and she was terrified of the vet’s PPE, I just dropped my other dog at the vet for some xrays (wonky elbows) and she was shaking with fear as I handed her over, as I’m not allowed to go in with her. Drove home feeling like a shit, and now waiting anxiously to go and fetch her. It can’t just be me who thinks in those situations, we are doing this to humans, to little old ladies, and children, and really scared and poorly people. It’s unconscionable, it truly is.
The only scrap of comfort is I never signed up to this, not once, not any of it, and come the reckoning at least my conscience will be clear, but it’s not enough really, I wish we could do more to force this to an end, but I fear we’ve got more of this madness to come. I’m starting to think those that are cheering it on are sociopaths or narcissists.
Why did the vet need to wear PPE in order to put down your dog?
Because we opted for home euthanasia as the other option was in a carpark, and she was so sick with very rapidly degranulating mast cell cancer, I couldn’t do it to her, so the vet had to come in the house. I said we didn’t care about all that, but the vet very much did, and the dog was very scared because she had shiny visor, mask, gloves, apron and overshoes. It was very unpleasant, because the dog was so scared, she screamed at the sedation, the vet jumped and dropped the needle and we had to do it twice, the poor dog was really, really, really scared.
Reading this kills me. A stone in my chest.
I know, all round was very upsetting and made me very angry, the vet was actually a very nice person, clearly just following company policy, but the dog didn’t know that. And the worst of it is, we are doing this to people too. Like the lady in today’s updates. I honestly sometimes feel like I hate people, I truly do, people have no heart.
What normal human being could conceive, and tell you, that a carpark is a suitable place to put a dog down????
It’s generally referred to as stupidity.
Otherwise known as “regulations”. Probably a condition of vets being allowed to reopen.
More thoughtless, nonsensical inhumanity.
Agree BecJT. I cannot have enough contempt for anyone who not only imposes this onto their fellow citizens but then seeks to ignore it themselves (Ferguson) or worse, actively mocks these two cancer sufferers by their preposterous mutterings (Cummings and his Barnard Castle Defence).
I agree, it’s contempt I’m feeling more than anger, although just had a good cry, and helpless is what I’m feeling now. I honestly don’t know what to do, I have my little rebellions, talk to people where I can, write to my MP, but it all feels a bit inadequate. I find it shocking we are a minority, that scares me about other people, it’s so obvious to me that this is just wrong, it worries me that that is an ‘outlier’ view.
I think it is more common than you think, don’t despair. We need to stick together for each other, and chip away at the waverers, and the newly angered (had their holidays cancelled, cannot return to work and might now lose a ‘safe’ job). It’s good to talk, cry, scream whatever, rather than bottling inside!
I agree. I think there are many who spout all the right platitudes and maybe even do things which make them blend in with the sheep, but they do (or have done) things they’re not ‘allowed’ to do nevertheless. Eventually they’ll find even the token obvious compliance too ridiculous and dispense with that as well.
That’s true, you’re right. My brother came for a visit this weekend, he has a busy job in a treatment centre which is on an NHS site, he was quite chippy and defensive when he arrived (easy for me to say masks are bollocks, he’s been forced to wear one for the last three months) but he’s listening now. It’s unfortunate that most people aren’t prepared to listen until it starts hurting though, we’ve all been watching the pain hurtling down the tracks for months.
Calderwood
I too found those accounts heart-rending. But what particularly got my goat was the hospice manager reprimanding the poor woman for having the temerity to want to spend time with her daughter in the last few hours of her life.
I don’t condone shaming of any sort. God knows there’s enough of that going on at the moment. But if anybody should be shamed it should be that particular jobsworth.
And yes, it is truly rich for us sceptics to be labelled ‘selfish’ when all Believers really want is for themselves to be saved at all costs. Then they express their humanity and commpassion for their fellow man through insults and violence against those holding a different view to them. Utter hypocrites.
That’s shy some of us HATE the NHS.
we ony use alternative therapists who actually care and know more than any doctor about healing
I am so very sad to read all of this. My animals are the most important beings in my life and this would have broken my heart. It’s not in any way your fault Bec, far from it – the problem is that we have scientists running the country it seems, who completely lack human empathy and understanding. Science now appears to be God alongside the new worship of the NHS.It utterly appalls me.
I saw the vet who owns/runs our local practice in our local corner shop a couple of weeks before muzzles were imposed, wearing a muzzle. I pretended not to recognise him. My conclusion was that he hadn’t the faintest ability to judge scientific evidence. But then I’ve always thought that vets are charlatans, shysters and snake-oil salesmen at the best of times.
At our practice the owners and pets wait outside till a nappied vet comes out to collect the pet.
Whenever I go past I say loudly, ‘Funny, isn’t it, the vets are muzzled and the dogs aren’t.’
Just my grain of sand, as the Spanish say.
Very sorry to hear what had happened. I don’t understand why vets have to wear PPE? Are they not aware that they cause distress to animals?
Most odd.
I agree. They are purposely stripping away our humanity as they did under communism
Also don’t know why others won’t wake up
They have been trained not to think
Often think I’m living on the wrong planet
It would be nice if we could all physically meet somewhere
Please read and share.
https://www.worldhealth.net/news/why-everyone-was-wrong/
Hmm, missing valuable jewellery from deceased at care-homes. Fortunately we all know how perfect are the morals and behaviour of individuals working at such sites.
When i worked in the NHS, the staff on wards in hospitals were some of the worst people I have ever worked with. Uncaring, lazy, bullies, and arse licking backstabbers would be the best way I could describe them. It’s a joke how we are being led to believe they are all Saints!
I’ve been very sick with a long running chronic condition (but was critical for a while), I have absolutely no illusions about the NHS, or the level of care and competence, never mind the arrogance of the medical establishment, and no clapping from me either. And for all their ‘we’ve been told not to talk’ an ethical whistleblower would have spoken up anyway, they all know, the fact they are keeping quiet tells us what their priorities are, and it’s not patients.
Yes.
I actually left the NHS for the same reasons you’ve pointed out. It was the worst job I ever had and I feel so much better now.
And the doctors who have been certifying deaths without anyone checking their homework #Don’tmentionShipman
I wonder how many wills have been changed over the last 5 months.
Likely too that more people have opted out of the organ donation scheme..
Does the cat count as a COVID 19 case?
Yes – 9 times
Nice one!
It wouldn’t surprise me
Someone posted on here a couple of weeks back that their doctor asked if they wanted to take a COVID-19 test, but that the Doctor themselves said they personally had refused as it could affect getting insurance, mortgage, etc.
Based on this statement from the Doctor it seems to suggest that a DNA database is being made from the swabs and blood tests, and that it will be able to be used to analyse the DNA for hereditary diseases and mutations in the DNA.
I’m wondering if the purpose for this continued testing and the constant scaremongering meaning that eventually everyone is tested and that the objective is to create a global DNA database in this backdoor manner.
That would not surprise me in the slightest. The police have been trying to get everyone on a DNA database for years now, and once on it, it is extremely difficult to get off it. They would certainly like to get all kids on a DNA database, so it can be sold to all manner of private entities (insurers etc). Now, let me see, I wonder who might be set to benefit from that, personally – current or former MP, upper chamber, civil servant….
Only if it is nothing to do with the NHS, as in their IT skills are definitely not up to anything on that scale or even creating a UK database which would feed into something like that!
Tell me about it, I was one of the original Electronic Patient Records workers, but that wasted £11bn looks tiny now!
This is not ridiculous to me at all. Knowing what we know about successive gvt.s and their lust for biometric ID schemes….
I would not be surprised – and will therefore refuse to take any test voluntarily…
We know they want an ‘AI’ world, where people are just numbers and where we are chipped and tracked – makes total sense (!) that they would want our DNA.. Probably an essential component of the covipass…
Andrea Bocelli ‘humiliated’ by Italy’s Covid rules
What I find interesting is the implication here that Italy, unlike this country, actually has meaningful mainstream political dissent on the coronapanic:
“Bocelli made the remarks at a conference in Italy’s Senate attended by opposition politicians including Matteo Salvini, leader of the far-right League party.
Mr Salvini has attacked the government of Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte over the handling of the health crisis in Italy.”
Well, Mr. Starmer has attacked the government of Prime Minister Boris Johnson over the handling of the health crisis in the UK. He’s just completely missed the point and criticized the execution, not the strategy.
Yes, I don’t count hysterical nonsense about the government not having panicked hard enough as meaningful dissent. More a confession of personal stupidity and complete unsuitability for office, by Starmer and the others taking that stance.
If things couldn’t get any more weird, Starmer – the Leader of the Labour Party which ostensibly represents the working-class – is a member of the billionaires and mega-corporations club the Trilateral Commission….if this whole covid farce is indeed the pretext for a WHO/UN/WEF re-engineering of the world, Starmer will be one of its biggest cheerleaders…
https://dorseteye.com/what-mystery-organisation-do-sir-keir-starmer-henry-kissinger-and-jeffrey-epstein-have-in-common/
Oh dear God, just when you thought thing couldn’t get any weirder!
I don’t know what Salvini has said, but Bocelli deserves credit for speaking out. Here in the UK we have Matt Le Tissier and Peter Ebdon who are both sceptics. Not aware of any others from sport and showbiz, here or in the US.
6 useless and Pro lockdown etc. parties in Germany.
And the most useless and pathetic one is the so-called former liberal and pro business party, FDP.
RIP.
Are there actually any formally anti-lockdown parties in Europe? None in the UK, as far as I’m aware. So much for what we used to pretend were “liberals”. So much for what some used to think were anti-big government, anti-nanny state “conservatives”.
Politics dominated by a narrow groupthinking elite. Who knew,. eh?
I had a quick look at the website of the new Italexit party, no mention of covid.
The old Liberals (what little is left of them) are pretty critical of the measures, so you may be wrong about the UK not having any such parties. A shame they don’t have the support to show up anywhere but in Liverpool, Cornwall and London.
I like their current slogan: Real Liberals (not the LibDems) Fighting for Liberalism
Website: http://liberal.org.uk/
I think the real liberals can reasonably be dismissed as fringe here atm. Sad, because I’d back real liberals over the rest of the political party scum we have, if they weren’t just more lefties in drag, like the SDP and the LibDems they became.
The Germans were setting up “widerstand 2020”, don’t know if it got anywhere though.
John Cleese maybe? In a recent tweet he wrote ‘Our Press are more concerned about their power than they are about informing us accurately and fairly about reality’
A few actors have spoken out.
He’s a waste of space. He’s hoping to keep his head down until this blows over when he can jump out and become PM…
Yes to Newspeak section. Let’s have a good laugh at the tricks of propaganda to show contempt for the practices.
News Speak.
We are reducing quarantine from 14 to 10 days. Thats almost a whole working week
7 days, anyone?
That’s the whole idea. People who work are more likely to depart for a holiday on a weekend (having finished work on Friday) and also to return on a weekend (so as to be back at work on Monday). 10 days quarantine = only one week off work, because the 10-day quarantine will be ‘bookended’ by weekends when no work will be missed…
Just in case anyone missed it, here’s a link from the BBC in Nov 2018 about 50,000 excess deaths in 2017/18. Classic Overton Window stuff, in 2018 it was framed as an item of passing academic interest that 50,000 fellow Brits had just pegged it, today it’s Armageddon. An English teacher could construct an interesting comprehension class for year 7 kids (were they at school) asking pupils to ‘compare & contrast’ how 50,000 deaths are reported 2 years apart bringing in other information to support their argument.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46399090
I’ve been telling friends and family this until I’m blue in the face! It does my head in that they just won’t think or listen to reason or, indeed, take any notice of the facts! The counter argument is that these 50,000 excess deaths were over the whole winter and not just a few months, it still doesn’t register that even if that is the case we didn’t shut down the economy and condemn loads of people and businesses to death, completely change the whole fabric of society or force people to wear an item of clothing. The lunatics are running the asylum and need to be deposed!
A few months? Has this not gone on a few months now?
Winter is only a few months last time I checked
Taking into account that globally over the course of a year we can expect about 60 million people to die from all causes, the several hundred thousand from this pathetic virus is hardly worth even considering (especially when the death toll in two of the highest at least, the UK and USA, have been grossly inflated).
It’s horrible to know that friends and family you’ve always given the benefit of the doubt to are in fact the muppets you’ve always suspected they were.
Very true. Have you met my brother ?
I think they knew this argument would be made (as it is the most recent incidence of high flu mortality and notable ‘overwhelming’ of NHS). And that is the reason they have been inflating the death figures. They need deaths to be at least that of 2017/18 (so 50k) and preferably more to make covid worse, before they start to let them subside. They are nearly there. Let’s see what happens.
In preparation for next hysteria just published 27th July(to replace the current one?)
https://www.cell.com/cell-host-microbe/fulltext/S1931-3128(20)30402-9?dgcid=raven_jbs_aip_email
“Thus, European swine populations represent reservoirs for emerging IAV strains with zoonotic and, possibly, pre-pandemic potential.”
Again from the IMF.
https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2020/06/the-international-order-post-covid19-dabla.htm
Third, pandemics, like climate hazards, are a harsh reminder of the relevance of natural phenomena and the need for ensuring long-term resilience . Climate action and sustainability can gain renewed priority as fiscal stimulus packages are deployed to jump-start the economic recovery. Investments in climate-resilient infrastructure and the transition to a lower-carbon future can drive significant near-term job creation and capital formation while increasing economic and environmental resilience. These investments could include building renewable-energy infrastructure and more resilient roads and structures, expanding the capacity of the power grid, retrofitting buildings, and developing and deploying technologies to decarbonize heavy industries. Moving toward a lower-carbon economy is daunting but imperative, and we must rise to this challenge collectively.
The post–COVID-19 order will be created. But the problems thrown into sharp relief by the crisis remain. Poverty, rampant inequality, declining biodiversity, environmental degradation, and scarcity of clean water still need to be tackled. So do the long-standing inequities in our societies. How we protect and lift our most vulnerable will be a test of our humanity.
There could be a silver lining. We have seen mobilization of resources for public purposes on a scale witnessed only in times of war. But this current war is being waged against a common enemy. The solidarity accumulated in times of global lockdown and disease could be a valuable foundation on which to build.
Sounds like another step towards Agenda21/2030 to me.
IMF also blackmailed Belarus to enforce lock down but wisely rejected.
I heard it was a large bribe to lockdown.
But this current war is being waged against a common enemy. The solidarity accumulated in times of global lockdown and disease could be a valuable foundation on which to build.
Vomit inducing!
And also a clear admission of intent. The “common enemy” that the war is being waged against is us, and the “solidarity” is amongst the governments and corporations that are in lockstep perpetrating one of the greatest crimes in history.
Yes. I’d sussed that the common enemy is the general population!
Seems more and more like governments are acting as the agents/proxies of corporations.
Our Government, and most other Governments, are OWNED by the Corporatocracy. Governments work for THEIR interests, not ours. (For example, the armaments industry requires wars for its very existence. Governments therefore have to engineer wars by creating regular false flag events.) We are just serfs, and the current Agenda is designed to make our serfdom complete, before the serfs finally wake up to how the world is run and demand change.
Meh.
I think the climate alarmists are FOMOing.
Interesting political shenanegans afoot:
Michael Gove declares truce with Nicola Sturgeon as he discloses plan for joint Covid statementDowning Street has agreed a new strategy to counter Ms Sturgeon’s surging approval ratings and rising support for separation.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/28/michael-gove-declares-truce-nicola-sturgeon-discloses-plan-joint/
…. Their interventions form part of a new strategy by which they will counter her surging approval ratings and support for separation by portraying her as an integral part of their UK-wide team ….
…. Speaking on a visit to Scotland, Mr Gove said: “I was talking to Nicola just last Friday and we agreed we would shortly release a shared statement across the UK about our approach towards the virus so whatever noises off we’ve had in the past, the right approach, the approach we discussed on Friday and shared on Saturday is to work well together.”
If Gove says it, it will be contradicted by Johnson or Hancock within days if not hours.
They are all equally guilty
Sounds like England might change to a Zero Covid strategy.
If they only do pillar 1 testing in hospitals and care homes we could be a zero tomorrow morning.
I wouldn’t trust this government or NHS if they told me tomorrow was Wednesday. That’s how bad I now distrust the Establishment.
The Scottish administration never tested heavily as it didn’t trust outside agencies it couldn’t control. Caused some problems at the peak but may look wiser now.
That was my immediate reaction.
I can see Boris now making the announcement:
“Let’s get COVID done so people can get back to dying properly”
Just been said by ‘expert’ on sky news. A ex WHO british doc living in Yorkshire stating there are no figures about quarantine compliance so better change to mandatory testing, then ended by saying he thinks covid zero is entirely possible.
Look, they’d really better stop finding new ones, because at this rate, we’re going to need a really big wall, come the revolution.
He who sups with the devil had best have a long spoon
Wouldn’t trust Sturgeon as far as I could throw her. Does not sound like her at all – she is enjoying her ‘surging popularity’ far too much. Very fishy smell here!
I wouldn’t trust Gove as far as that!
“…. Speaking on a visit to Scotland, Mr Gove said:”
I thought it was cold today!
it’s a myth that support for her is rising. Plenty people despise her with a passion. She is destroying Scotland and even the fools who vote for her are starting to notice Scotland collapsing. The media on the other hand tell us everyday how the sun shines out her arse but the media are always wrong. Whatever they say it is always 100% the opposite, always.
The one simple that is getting neglected at the moment :
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF AN EPIDEMIC LEVEL OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE IN THE UK AT THIS TIME (AND NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE EFFICACY OF GOVERNMENT-IMPOSED MEASURES).
Sometimes the bleedin’ obvious needs stating in order to see the wood.
I’m all for stating the unsaid obvious. Well done for doing so. Not patronising, the bleedin’ obviius gives a common base to discuss from. Always an aid to clarity.
And no evidence that the disease they’ve identified is dangerous (except for the frail and ill who are vulnerable to all diseases.)
Which if they were being given HCQ with zinc would save them from any danger from the virus, but this government doesn’t want to save them they want them to die.
Agreed.
This has always stuck with me, as it hasnt changed from early March.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
Did they do that so that at any future public enquiry they can claim that they told the truth and that we the people were just too stupid to notice..???
Anyone want to enrol in these studies and screw the results up? NO drugs, no tests, no strange treatments involved.
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04386668?cond=covid-19&cntry=GB&draw=2 – creative writing assignment
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04433260?cond=covid-19&cntry=GB&draw=2&rank=70 – questionnaires for any health care professionals out there in sceptics land
And i bet these people got grants for this rubbish
There is also one for yoga classes for nHS staff to see if deep breathing helps them feel better and helps them cope.
You couldn’t make it up.
Me and the Mrs are getting progressively more depressed. Ultimately we’ll have to come to terms with being suddenly surrounded by flat-earthers, but I was wondering, if I really felt I needed professional support, how a counselling session would go. Doctor: What seems to be the trouble? Patient: Everyone has gone mad. Doctor: In what way? Patient: The world is full of people who think covid is like the black death. Doctor: ?????
Basically I would need to find a sceptic shrink, otherwise it would just make things worse. Think I’ll spend the money on wine instead.
Your last comment works for me.
Wise choice. Better to spend your money on drink rather than a shrink.
It probably won’t be the last time I say it, but it’s a crying shame it’s not the black death. That’s very easily treatable with antibiotics these days. It would be much harder for immoral media types and incompetent governments to make as big a mess of such an outbreak.
[Meant to be a reply to “black death” post from DoesDimSyniad]
If only that were true. The likely outcome is that “studies” would show that current off-patent antibiotics used safely for decades are not only ineffective but actually dangerous, while pharmaceutical companies push out drugs which “shorten recovery time” but which don’t reduce mortality, at the same time rushing out improperly tested vaccines that are “the only hope of beating the bacterium”
Sounds far-fetched doesn’t it, until you look into what’s actually happened here with hydroxychloroquine
they would just ban the antibiotics and make a fake study in the lancet saying they were dangerous as they have done with HDQ
Here’s something to cheer you up.
They are going to rush out a vaccine. All the idiots who think they are currently in mortal danger from this virus will take it. The epidemic will be declared at an end. We can all get back to our lives.
Natural selection in this case will not be caused by the virus but by the vaccine.
I thought the same thing — let the sheeple line up for the vaccine, the pandemic is declared over, and we all get on with our lives. Except there is a huge call for mandatory vaccination and this scares the crap out of me. It’s the same as the mask BS — you must be vaccinated to protect others, regardless of the risks to yourself. We are all in this together after all! The insidious thing is that they tell us we don’t have to get vaccinated, we have a choice, but if we don’t we can be fired from our jobs, refused entry to shops, restaurants, airplanes, etc. So the “choice” is to take the poison or be barred from civil society. My only hope is that the vaccine trials are so abysmal that the issue of mandatory vaccination never materializes.
I hope no-one ever tries to push any mandatory ‘flu jab; the cost of an assault charge in the magistrates’ Court is low enough to make it excellent value for money to punch someone very, very hard indeed. Most satisfying, too.
Don’t want a mandatory vaccine of course, think a rushed vaccine is wrong for many reasons, mixed feelings about it – on the one hand if it enables us to move on then great, as long as I don’t have to have it, on the other, it perpetuates the lies and leaves us vulnerable next time, plus I feel sorry for kids forced into it by their parents
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/technology-world-news/michigan-ban-chip-implants-into-workers-by-companies/
The state of Michigan has introduced a bill designed to prevent employers from forcing their staff to accept microchip implants. The bill is to protect workers where companies might demand that workers accept a tracking chip under their skin. The only person advocating that technology is Bill Gates and ID2020 right now. These implants would be subject to biohacking. The argument which is the merger of technology and human physiology for the sake of augmentation claims it will improve society and eliminate illegal aliens.
My suspicion (based on Bill G’s track record and other videos I have seen) is that the vaccine for children will contain a sterilising agent and that the damage caused will not show up for 7 years.
Any vaccine for adults is likely to be designed to either kill or make people more susceptible to other coronaviruses (like the current flu vaccine does). Thereby enabling further waves of viruses more likely to be pandemic and cause mass fatalities…
https://youtu.be/ZQcvuftqXFY
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My motto: I totally won’t make things worse.
Lol. A doctor with the approach of not making things worse. Novel. You’d never get a job at PHE.
Just talk to us here, we are sceptics to the bone and we don’t charge… well…don’t charge much.
First bit of advice: NEVER listen to TV or radio news, CANCEL any feed delivering scaremongering news to your computer, AVOID social media, GET OUT MORE.
That’ll be .. let’s see…
I’ll send an invoice.
Thanks. I’m pretty much doing all that already…. I feel like I ought to look at the headlines on the BBC news website at least once a day, though latterly I’ve been doing it less
Really don’t.
I thought the same – that I just needed to take a peek to see who famous had died and what the headlines were – and it just made me feel mad / sad / alone.
So I have utterly stopped – taken all the BBC sites off my task / search bar and removed all temptation. It has made an astonishing difference to my head-space. I am amazed.
I have found so much more to read & listen to as well. It has been a game changer for me and I urge you to try it. Just one week for starters….?
Well done LRH. It really is an extremely difficult addiction to break, very glad you feel the benefits.
I miss the Archers…
But then again, the Archers has gone all Covid/Karen-tastic now and is dull as ditchwater. Those dreary voices…
Spending your money on wine or other alcoholic beverage is a good choice. At least it keeps you happy, it works for us!
Err no!
I haven’t had the virus, I don’t know of anyone who has, and I certainly do not trust the government or NHS with my health, especially now!
Sky news in South Africa, has any reporter looked more like an alien? Stand on a street with normal life going on all around him while he stands in mask and talks up the panic and the peril. Rings a true as the cracked Liberty Bell.
I saw a report from South Africa this morning. Amongst other things, the journalist spoke to a woman in an extremely long queue of people waiting to be tested for the virus. Some had come back day after day because they hadn’t got as far as getting tested. The woman said a couple of things before remarking, “We don’t even know if we are ill.” I thought, well, that says it all, really.
Its the same report all day and throwing live to the reporter. He looks so, so out of place.
4 months to reach this stage in South Africa. Hmm. Stage is a word to ponder. Where are the gates foundations mobilising to health care the continent out of doom? No where.
If she dies of it will she notice?
you have to wonder why they are there then? Is it compulsory to get tested?
One can but hope though it seems unlikely. I think the best we can hope for is that the onset of covid fatigue, the burgeoning economic crisis and the lack of a second wave will gradually drag us back to normal, but I think it will be many long months before that happens. Worst case scenario this could go on for years, because people will just acquiesce and get used to the new normal.
The only reassurance I can offer is that you are not mad, it’s just a lot of other people who have gone mad, but there are a few sane people left.
And there are a few countries which have followed a more sensible course.
I feel so hopeless many days as well. I thought Covid fatigue would set in much sooner and that the numbers would tell the tale and sanity would be restored. But I have to agree with Julian that I think we’re in for a long haul and it’s going to take an epic economic crisis — something people fear more than the virus — to create a shift in people’s thinking. Unfortunately, as people lose jobs, homes, and have trouble putting food on the table they will realize that starvation has a 100% death rate and Covid only has an IFR of 0.26%. I’m now just trying to figure out a way to stay sane while waiting this out. Knowing there are others who think the way I do is very helpful. Like Annie, I too am living for revenge and vindication! Not the healthiest mindset, but it’ll have to do for now.
I’m a regional organiser for a classic car club and as such have to write a monthly report of the region’s activities for the club magazine. At the end of each month I get an email from the chap who collates the reports and normally he just lets me know when he wants it for. This time he included the following ‘We will need to edit out any [reports] that appear to have been breaking the guidelines’. So my report that is only going to be read by club members is going to be censored?
Am I being unreasonable here, or is this getting really silly.
No this went past silly some time ago and is now well on the way to madness.
We have to stand up against both the government setting out stupid guidance & those who want to add their own embellishments to any guidance.
If any members of your motor club submitted reports of a gathering, then they have already done what they wanted to do and told you about it, do not let the collator become a censor.
As a keen driver, at the height of this madness getting out for a drive one one pleasures which continued, and the roads were incredibly quiet, and the cost of fuel was at rock bottom.
Enjoy your vehicle whilst you are still allowed to.
Can you report any social events with PHE’d numbers? (ie altered to suit your agenda).
That way people will know there’s social life to be had but you won’t drop anyone in it.
I’ve done a re-write of the report. Not that much to talk about, just a regional meeting and one car show. I normally give everyone who turns up a mention but have toned this down a bit to conceal the numbers. It will be interesting to see whether it passes the censor. Won’t find out until the magazine arrives in September!
The “America’s Frontline Doctors” story is depressing. I was hoping for something like this – professionals coming together to present a more fact-based and less alarmist view of the pandemic – but, predictably, it’s been effectively censored by social media, presumably as “misinformation”.Let’s hope this is just the beginning of a wider movement.
The censorship is depressing but entirely expected. However, I think this story is too big to suppress no matter how much they try. It’s not David Icke saying it, it’s not “conspiracy theorists”, it’s doctors on the frontline. What possible motive could they have for lying? I’m sharing the videos with everyone I know and I think I’ve managed to plant a few seeds of doubt in the official narrative. I would urge everyone to do the same.
I would share it, but at 3+ hours I suspect most people wouldn’t want to sit through it! (I didn’t watch all of it, to be honest – but it’s preaching to the converted anyway in my case). I’ll definitely share the Barry Norris articles though.
No, I don’t think many people would sit through the entirety of both videos but just watching some of it may be enough to get people thinking.
Short video here:. https://youtu.be/jFMtR_vTKDI
Looking at HMRC figures for the furlough scheme, the number of furloughed jobs as gone up by 100,000 since 12 July, I assumed, probably like many that the number would be reducing as businesses reopen or ramp up to pre cv19 levels of business.
Are some businesses using the “Job Retention Scheme” to test the waters to see if they can restructure, using the furlough scheme to see if they can operate without certain individuals, before chopping them?
I am sure many businesses are having a tough time and the furlough scheme is preventing them from going out of business.
Don’t known if people are aware of this but you can put staff on furlough and send them on training courses. So basically, you can use the Furlough money to pay for the training courses.
“Are some businesses using the “Job Retention Scheme” to test the waters to see if they can restructure, using the furlough scheme to see if they can operate without certain individuals, before chopping them?”
I’m absolutely certain this is the case, yes. Most will have used it honestly at the beginning though some of those will have accidentally discovered they don’t need these people after all (especially with the economy tanking”), but some will have abused it from the start. Some (many?) of those who have furloughed staff more recently will have done so either to test the waters of living without them or or in an effort to extend a redundancy process to keep the staff on a wage for as long as possible for the benefit of the redundant workers.
I have often wondered that. When you think how a virus replicates, it does seem implausible that asymptomatic people could spread it. But what do I know. I’m not an “expert”.
I’m guessing that an efficient immune system will deal with the virus with barely noticeable symptoms.
A poor immune system will have a bigger battle on its hands so the symptoms will be more severe?
As Pasteur acknowledged, it always comes back to the terrain.
Naturally. Our immune system is our defence!
It’s nonsense. Healthy people don’t spread disease. But if that were acknowledged how would the powers that be continue to put the fear of god into us??? We must assume everyone is a potential disease vector and maintain all of these ridiculous measures to keep everyone “safe” from these horribly healthy people. I heard Judy Mikovits explain that we all carry around dormant viruses inside our bodies that are not causing us any problem until they become activated. We do not spread these viruses to other people because we are asymptomatic. But do you know what can activate these dormant viruses? Masks!!! Exhale our dormant virus particles into a mask where they become concentrated and then re-breath them into our noses. A recipe for sickness.
Scottish numbers: 28 July 2020
4 new confirmed cases of COVID-19; this is 0.1% of newly tested individuals.
6,690 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results.
Scot Gov data.
0.1% of 6690 is 6.69 – two and a half times the Scot Gov stated 4 cases. How they think this fits together is unknown to me.
0 deaths
260 in icu
13 suspects in care homes
Etc.
As we’ve said before – there is no coronavirus in Scotland now.
This is extremely dangerous talk that could cost lives. You should be ashamed of yourself. Go stand in the corner and have a think about what you’ve done.
“Nicola Sturgeon said if Scots came across a business which was not following the rules, they should simply leave and protect their health.”
From: https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/nicola-sturgeon-coronavirus-scotland-pubs-18675621
What does anybody know about afraid-fatigue?
Place is swilling with it if I look out of window. I can see all manner of essential piece-meal protective measures. Corona virus isn’t the unseen virus it is a virus in people minds.
more people died from drinking Irn Bru in Scotland than from this virus
Without a doubt that is true.
I am noticing that outside London number of cars on the road is high but many buses are empty. I wonder if the mask madness is reducing air quality.
Absolutely.
The only beneficial side-effect of this sham is the improvement in air quality resulting from decreaed car use.
However – the mask-effect discourages use of public transport – and encourages car use.
As with much of the current nonsense, you really couldn’t make it up.
Report I got from Manchester was as you indicate. Very high levels of cars because public transport not being used. Why would you use if you percieve it is going to kill you or at least cause you two weeks in home slammer with no pay and/or redundency.
Yes but the original guidance was not to use public transport ……so everyone got in their cars again and in spite of the (now) public messages to move more, take up cycling – cars are soooo much easier. How to shoot yourself in both feet and anyone else standing nearby.
Precisely. Pop in the track trace and dont work for two week game and you have a recipe for traffic jams forever more.
I think this is all deliberately designed to be confusing, to ramp up people’s feelings of desperation and make them take the vaccine just to be rid of some of the regulations and restrictions..
More on the ‘No Shows’ in pubs and restaurants. The city is dead to go out in the evening is a draining effort to fight the ghost town there is no vibrancy or enjoyment. Clink, clink of cultery on a plate is not the sound of atmosphere and fun.
Edinburgh Live reports:
”
An increasing number of bars, pubs and restaurants across the city are speaking out over the no shows which are ‘crippling the industry’ as they attempt to recover from lockdown
”
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/best-in-edinburgh/restaurants-bars/edinburgh-bars-plea-selfish-no-18676162
Each and every business stating ‘no shows’ are crippling the industry needs to go under imo. How lazy they are in acquiescing to blatant lockdown terrorism of life then shift the blame upon hard pressed and pretty well pissed off customers. Clueless. But perhaps it is the official line and so there is no reason to suppose this shift in blame is not introduced by compliant media.
One can only wonder how long before people get sufficiently uncomfortable that they are finally motivated to think a bit, realise it’s all completely unnecessary, get very angry, and finally start coming out with pitchforks.
The kind of people around whom our society has now been reconfigured are generally disinterested in pubs and bars. Sadly the corporate brainwashing has been so successful that even the complete and permanent destruction of their business is not enough for management to change their “Covid safe” policies. It will only take a handful of establishments in every town and city to break ranks and start attracting customers back to begin to reverse this trend, but this has to happen quickly otherwise pubs will be consigned to museum exhibitions.
I wonder if they don’t realise that these no shows are basically people’s way of boycotting and saying that they’re not happy with the hospitality industry’s “Covid Safety” protocols. You try to write to them but get fobbed off by form or patronising responses so what’s the best way to do it? Hit them hard on the pocket by booking a table and not turning up.
If this doesn’t wake them up and try to lobby the government to end their insane policies then they only have themselves to blame when the finally go under.
If you intend to do that you must not leave them in the dark as to why you last minute cancelled, otherwise they might think you were a coronanist wanting mroe stringent bullshit protocols. They need to know it was health and safetyism whch put you off turning up, you’d better email afterwards to inform them of that.
The piece about the grandmother’s jewellery going missing is straight out of the Nazi instruction manual.
My father spoke to me once about what he referred to as ‘ghouls’ he’d seen during WWII, doing whatever was necessary to avail themselves of wedding rings, etc. worn by those who’d been killed in battle. He removed my mother’s wedding ring after she died (in hospital) to ensure that it didn’t ‘go missing’. And I removed his after he died (in hospital), for the same reason.
Never allow anyone to go into hospital with anything except a small amount of cash. The last time I had to go into hospital, my “personal effects” went straight into my wife’s handbag to be taken home with her. It’s not just the monetary cost, of course; it’s the sentimental value.
Lucky she didn’t have a gold tooth.
What revolting people they are.
In days gone by prepare for the worst meant people would be ready to act if the worst was to happen.
Now it means act as if the worst is happening all the time.
True. I imagine there were a few people in WW2 who permanently lived in their Anderson shelters. I bet they had a horrible few years.
In Dad’s Army Mrs Mannering hadn’t left the house since Chamberlain went to Munich.
This has worried me right from the start, as it has such huge implications for all other diseases. I really don’t know to counteract the argument either, as so many people are fixated on the virus and nothing else.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/09K3kIwzeewO/?fbclid=IwAR0g06FJi1hvfw4NbPnU5L6WyYQV3iTbD3oHb1CtmGrxOHivhcTZBk6QPAk
The reason people get flu in the winter and not the summer is due to lack of vit D as the sun isn’t strong enough in the UK between Oct and April for us to be able to make it
People shold supplement vit D during the winter
Feel quite depressed. We have just driven into the nearest big resort to where we are staying. Normally we wouldn’t venture anywhere near it at this time of year but it is a ghost town now. Yes, the shops and cafes are open but there is no-one there to buy. Masks are really pointless-people are already fifty metres apart anyway. I can’t see us ever coming back here. By next year I feel a lot of places will have shut for good anyway.
We drove along by the beach where they have put in zones to keep people apart. It seems they were extremely over-optimistic about the amount of squares they would need. Hundreds of sun beds-all empty and very few people there for the size of resort. Very sad.
Now Boris is desperately trying to justify the decision about quarantine. It appears from the post below about the WHO saying that there will probably be just one big wave and lots of little ripples, that Boris is not singing from the same hymn sheet as they are. Oops, sorry, forgot singing was banned.
Happy to see though that Chris Bryant who chairs the all-party parliamentary group for Spain has said that he can’t understand what has happened: ” And there are many, many areas of Spain which have much lower infection rates than many areas in the U.K. I think that this has been terribly badly handled”
Me too, Chris, me too.
I’ve just given a broadside to MP pointing out those very facts.
(I did get my crown done at the dentist’s though!)
The whole thing is utterly depressing. The dentist; how was that? Is drilling now allowed?
Absolutely is allowed, which is why I decided to have it done while I was here. Fantastic technology, porcelain crown created in front of my very eyes after being designed by the computer. Think it’s available in the UK now but I’d not seen it before. Cost much less than it would have done in the UK too.
I heard Dr Sing (doctor that sings in case you’re not as old as me) from Sesame Street has been cancelled due to Coronavirus.
They had to think of something to explain why the virus is/was spreading. It also deflects away from the possibility that a high proportion of transmission was in hospitals and care homes.
Which is true. The NHS were the centres for the virus if you didn’t have it when you went into hospital you certainly had it when you left.
Who on earth would get their cat tested for Covid? And why?
Exactly what I wondered!
Well they had already had their goat and paw paw fruit tested so thought the cat was due a test.
Wouldn’t it be funny if someone tested a snail or fly and they got a positive result.
That is a point. Why would you even think your cat had Covid?
because it was lying on the sofa wearing a mask and watching Game of Thrones box set . (although that could be a teacher. i get confused)
not including the sceptic teachers we get on this site
Haven’t you heard of a cat scan?
Your employer could cancel your trip abroad over coronavirus quarantine
An employment law expert told LBC the law is “stacked against employees and in favour of the employer”.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/scotland-air-bridges-employer-quarantine-18676388
They ask you to cancel your agreed leave. If you refuse it becomes gross misconduct.
I think it’s likely the Spain quarantine decision is political, made by Cummings. They get to set the news agenda for this whole week, and move it away from masks & their handling of the pandemic onto a subject where (to the average member of the public) Boris appears to be taking decisive action. Also, it gives the very helpful impression to the public that Spain is in a worse position than we are. It’s really excellent politics.
Worth noting that in Spain, the daily case rate is 40/million (and these are mostly in Catalonia). In Luxembourg, it is 200/million, but you do not have to quarantine when you get back.
Aren’t all covid related decisions political? Can you point to any that have plausibly been made for public health reasons?
The PM has taken decisive action, to ruin people’s summers, and the travel industry. Not sure how that one gains him popularity. Would have thought they would have chosen a smaller country to target. Somewhat surprised actually. Also don’t see why they’d want to move the agenda away from masks and their handling of the pandemic. Masks don’t seem to be unpopular, and the stories about the fiddled stats and care homes seemed to die out when we had the Russian nonsense in the headlines.
Good point. And Spain has far more draconian measures. Masks are mandatory in all public spaces – indoors and outdoors, including the beaches, except when in the water or lying on your towel. No joke.
So all they’ll be doing is risk drawing attention to the lack of efficacy of draconian measures.
Well they wouldn’t choose France – too many MPs with second homes there; wouldn’t want to inconvenience them..
I think this is also to make people sign up for the Covipass, to avoid quarantines in the future – and what do you need to have to be able to get a covipass? The vaccine…
Eh? Boris taking decisive action? The man’s an idiot! The whole coronavirus debacle has been nothing short of a government conspiracy in league with Bill Gates! This is all linked to the Green Agenda!
He can’t be both an idiot and successfully conspiring with Bill Gates.
Hard as it might be to accept, this is probably all down to a lethal combination of of ineptitude by public officials, dishonesty by media and mass stupidity, possibly stirred up by Bill Gates and others sociopaths like him.
In one country, yes. In a dozen or so, maybe. In 140 ?
For sure it’s political. Cos it doesn’t make any logical sense , especially in relation to the islands ( canaries are 1400 miles from Catalonia!) my guess is it’s brexit related ( fishing?) or Gibraltar. Thoughts?
They need to focus people on Spain, while they plant pictures in the MSM of people wearing gloves, ready for the next regulation…
Surprisingly pleasant 1st visit to the gym today. Notices about washing hands and wiping down equipment (which you should do anyway). Machines spaced out more but much the same, deep joy!
Fantastic! Which gym was that?
Anytime Fitness.
I’m glad you’re back doing what you love but for myself i doubt i’d ever be able to utter the words “deep joy” about to going to the gym. I’ve always been of the opinion that no other species on this planet exercises so why should i.
Well, I wouldn’t normally, but it felt great just doing something that I used to do. The local leisure centre however, is yet to reopen so no yoga for me. Anyway, you’re a cyclist so you do exercise.
The Bank of England’s projections for the cost of the UK economy range from £200bn to £550bn. Let’s take the higher estimate, which looks increasingly all too credible. Then contrast this with Imperial’s projection of lives saved by the Lockdown which run from 20,000 to 440,000, and let’s stick with the 20,000 estimate, far more credible than 440,000! Indeed Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Medical Officer has made the point that the Lockdown, in the absence of a vaccine won’t save any lives just defer them. If we also accept the estimate made by the NHS/Government Actuaries in their April 8th paper that estimates 200,000 non-Covid 19 deaths resulting from the Lockdown then we get the following cost/benefit equation.
Cost: £550bn
Benefit: 20,000 lives saved by Lockdown
Average cost per life saved = £25m
Plus…….
Non-Covid lives lost due to Lockdown 200,000 (according to NHS estimate)
Non-Covid lives lost per Covid death saved = 10
Each life saved would have cost us, on average £25m + the sacrifice of 10 non-Covid deaths.
The Imperial paper can be viewed here: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/d.miles/document/7583/Miles%20Stedman%20Heald%20NIESR/?Miles%20Stedman%20Heald%20NIESR.pdf
The NHS/Actuaries report can be viewed here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/892030/S0120_Initial_estimates_of_Excess_Deaths_from_COVID-19.pdf
Sweden’s approach looks like having caused half the economic loss our approach has caused and their death rate is significantly below ours. We need to end the Lockdown & learn to live with this.
It’s junk statistics anyway.
‘lives saved’? Where’s the proof?There isn’t any. There can’t be any.
https://gab.com/a/posts/104591612298957345
They keep coming:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/mind/delirium-another-complication-covid-19/
‘confusion, paranoia and hallucinations’
Yes, that’s right, all symptoms of Covidiocy, courtesy of SPI-B.
I posted this a couple of days ago but just before the cutoff:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/172-bizarre-coronavirus-symptoms-long-18660624
172 symptoms apparently, and the headline says actual bed-wetting is a symptom (but we all know it is just a correlation).
Survey results shown on Guido
New polling from Kekst CNC has revealed that on average the British public believe a whopping 7% of the UK population has died from Coronavirus, a number 100 times higher than the recorded-death reality. Brits also believe that 22% of the country has had coronavirus, when the real surveyed number is four times less – between 5 and 6%. Brits are also the most fearful of a second wave of infections of any country polled, with more than three-quarters (76%) expecting one in the next year or so…
How can we deal with such stupidity? (not helped by MSM of course)
We have to recognise that we are a nation of stupid people. Present company excepted.
BEING STUPID FOR BRITAIN!
To be fair, I would probably have struggled 6 months ago to tell you how many people die every year in the UK, and what they mainly die of (I suppose I would have got a few right, e.g. cancer, heart disease) but not all of them and not the proportions. That’s because it wasn’t important to me – I was happy with my level of risk and looked after my health, within reason. Once covid started, I thought it best to find out. Most people haven’t done that. That’s what I find baffling. But our despicable politicians should have put the figures into context – excess deaths etc, comparisons to previous pandemics – rather than quoting absolute numbers. They 100% knew what they were doing, and should rot in hell for it.
Other populations have likely not been subjected to the shenanigans of the Behavioural manipulation group or whatever they’re called..that ‘nudging’ team..
People, i.e. sheeple, are so bloody gullible. I put a great deal of it down to the MSM. As to how you deal with it, in the short term I don’t think you can. Longer term it has to be down to the education system in this country, but I wouldn’t hold out much hope there.
Question: without the BBC and other members of the MSM, would Brits have been so easily brainwashed?
Let’s get religion back to deal with these half wits. It’s an easier way to control the masses.
Which religion do you have in mind?
Any of them , it doesn’t matter.
Islam?
I don’t fear this virus at all its the stupidity of my fellowman that I find worrying. When you try and explain it and you see their eyes glaze over you think sod it why am I even bothering!
Yikes!
It seems very strange to me that the experts have still not noticed that the average age of coronavirus related deaths is over eighty years, whilst life expectancy is under eighty years, which means that the virus has had zero effect on mortality. Surely such smart people as Whitty and Valance must be aware of this?
They may well be but this information is not in their script.
The extent to which some of the cabal know exactly how nonsensical this all is and how much they are lazy and ignorant is an interesting question, but we have to assume some of them know all of this very well but don’t care and others are not that interested in knowing. For a while I believed in some level of good intentions, now by default position is that there are NONE unless proven otherwise.
Because its nothing to do with the actual virus it’s about the Big Reset.
Nah, it’s because you hate old people Steve.
No further thinking about this question is necessary.
Whitty is not “smart”; he knows what he is doing. Therefore he could be considered “evil” instead, by some.
All these people that died could have lived a bit longer.
You can’t say that about any other causes of death. End of discussion.
They are both in the pay of Bill Gates; say no more…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/28/people-6ft-have-double-risk-coronavirus-study-suggests/
Panicked when I read the headline as I’m 6’2″ but then I read the article in full, and it says people with natural science degrees are less affected. Fortunately I have, so that compensates. Phew… I’m still safe.
You could not make this shit up. Oh, wait…. errrr appears The Telegraph can and has.
There is a positive correlation between ice cream consumption and death by drowning. Using what passes for logic in the mainstream media, the headline is eating ice cream increases risk of drowning a giggizlion percent.
That is truly mad. Fortunately I also have a physics degree and am 6ft 3. So safe as houses. We have definitely entered an alternative reality.
Physics also
I’m going to have to saw 3″ off my legs.
Can I have them? I’m 5’2.
There’s going to be tough competition at this year’s Ig Nobel Awards.
Try
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
All this because Boris stands accused of being a bit liberal with the truth about his own height (presumably to push down his BMI) – he is claiming 5’10” but Guido is calling 5’8″ max I think!
Lead by example Mr. Prime Minister. Time to start dieting. Perhaps a fitness program on TV every morning on his exercycle. Wearing a mask, of course.
Nit soon, but it will end and we will be 1.vindicated, 2. revenged.
Meanwhile, live as normally as you can, smile, be happy, ’cause They hate all that.
I think we need to come to a place of acceptance that this totalitarian world is going to be in place for at least the next 9 months, until the next winter season of respiratory illness is over. I have felt much better by accepting that we now live in the sort of mindless totalitarian states that we had thought we’re a thing of the past by 1980 or so. But it seems a generation has come to power that has decided that only the total control of all people at all times is the way to “stay safe.” They are such zealots that no argument would ever sway them, and we will have to relearn the lessons of survival for residents who suffered totalitarian regimes of the past. Have faith, these arrangements collapse of their own weight rather quickly. In the mean time, taking care of you and yours is essential.
Nothing personal, Ted, but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
think it wll be here for 11 years until the UN is defunded but the west will be finished
Its just time
We promise these people are not saying ‘masturbate’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF7WPV3Bs6I
Bunch of Wankers!
Today’s observation of the muzzled in my town in Lincolnshire seemed to show a slight reduction from last weekend surprisingly,my wife noticed more unmasked customers in Morrisons although they were still only a small minority.I saw two chaps,in their sixties,who were obviously having difficulties because of wearing a mask,one of them in particular was very red-faced and was clearly having problems breathing properly and he was on the street not actually in a shop !,I was driving on the other side of the road so I couldn’t stop and make sure he was okay but there were other people on the path near him so hopefully someone helped him.
My wife is as sceptical as I am and against masks but due to receiving some abuse for being maskless the other day and going shopping on her own she decided to mask up today.When I gave her a lift home she was not feeling well at all,she was very pale,she had an headache,her eyes were sore,her neck was aching and she felt very faint.Proof,as if we needed it,that being muzzled is a very bad thing to do.She said she will never wear a mask again.
She can get an exemption lanyard. See middle of Toby’s page.
Yes,I’ve sent for some Annie for her and her friend who has a bad lung complaint,they both feel more confident about going to the shops now and are planning a mission for next Monday !.
I am told there was a confrontation this afternoon in my local Tesco with a woman challenging someone for not wearing a mask and loud voices at the customer services desk. It seems some of these mask vigilates egged on by Cressida are getting too nasty for comfort.
They can’t. This is more propaganda from our Ministry of Misinformation. They should be swinging from the gallows.
Has PC Pisspot been censored? Can’t find any of his recent pieces
This is the latest Andrew Lawrence (as hilarious as ever)
https://twitter.com/andrewlawrence/status/1288046176378531840
and this is the last PC Pisspot one:
https://twitter.com/andrewlawrence/status/1285171360139026432
He will on tour – http://andrewlawrencecomedy.co.uk/tour.php
Big LS get together?
Here’s a brilliant comment under Sarah Knapton’s article:
Dawn Starr:
There’s no such thing as asymptomatic infection. People with positive antigen tests but without symptoms are recovered immune people not asymptomatic infected people. So it’s really very simple. If you have symptoms stay home. If you don’t have symptoms you aren’t an infection risk to anyone and don’t need to wear a mask. It’s really not hard.
Nobody without symptoms should muzzle up. There are no benefits whatsoever and considerable downsides. The legislation is ultra vires and fines won’t stand in court with a decent lawyer.
Reicher is one of the hard left architects of the lockdown who, along with communist and China apologist Susan Michie and others, advised the government to conduct a psychological campaign of terror and manipulation on the British public that has resulted in about 50% of people now having actual mental illness – Covid psychosis. None of this was done with consent, placing the SPI-B team well beyond the ethical constraints of medicine and their own professional body.
I hope that criminal charges will eventually be made against SPI-B and the ministers who went along with it. Either way, The Telegraph should not be lending credence to anyone carrying out unethical behaviour modification. Readers may be interested to know that Reicher also employs his behaviour manipulation techniques in the service of discredited climate science.
What do we call it when a government wishes to pursue policy that would not be chosen voluntarily on the basis of reason, because facts don’t support it, and therefore engages psychological warfare to terrorise the people and engages in censorship to suppress facts that might contradict the chosen policy? Let me see. Communism? Fascism? Totalitarianism? Suggestions?
“What do we call it when a government wishes to pursue policy that would not be chosen voluntarily on the basis of reason, because facts don’t support it, and therefore engages psychological warfare to terrorise the people and engages in censorship to suppress facts that might contradict the chosen policy? Let me see. Communism? Fascism? Totalitarianism?”
Tyranny.
Simply wrong and unacceptable.
EVIL
Popped my mask-free cherry today visiting a local garden centre. I had a very aggressive, sneering “where’s your mask, then?” as I entered from a passing (male) customer, which would have been intimidating if I was so inclined. I had my two young children (1 & 3) with me so only felt angry and protective: glanced at him and said “medical condition” (false) at which he muttered impotently. I abhor lying but didn’t want confrontation.
The other weird moment was a lady smiling (I think) at my children. (It could have been a glare though as children are “strongly discouraged” on the garden centre website.) I could only see her eyes of course. In ye olde days, being Yorkshire, jolly little chats about your children with complete strangers are very common. Or were. On seeing I had no mask she frowned (I think) and hurried away.
Oh the joys.
Well done.
Invigorating and made you feel alive didn’t it?
Not a brainwashed sheeple but a free thinking human.
Yes! Free thinkers unite.
Well done you – your children need to see you smile and see your mouth move as you chat. It is reassuring and natural.
Finding a way to explain to them how and why everyone else has become distant and silent is a whole lot harder. This is where you should focus – not on pleasing the weirdos that now inhabit their world, but in being as present, cheerful, normal, conversational, motherly, attentive and reassuring as you can be to them. You are their bulwark against the strange world.
Then, when they do see someone who is un-muzzled and smiling, they will still have that craft – the childlike / human ability to respond instantly and naturally. You must keep it alive in them.
Thank you! I fully agree. Without this website, and the mask-free selfies on Twitter, not sure I’d have had the confidence. Supermarket next!
Well done and good on you for setting an example to your children about standing up for themselves. It’s dispiriting seeing parents muzzle their children – its child abuse IMO.
FREE YOUR FACE, THE REST WILL FOLLOW!
SIng that to the tune of Free Your Mind, the rest will follow. It helps, as a little victory tune perhaps?
Third time lucky perhaps.
Does anyone know whether this government scheme, due to expire on 17 July, has been renewed?
http://www.newsmediauk.org/Latest/government-partners-with-newspaper-industry-on-covid-19-ad-campaign
I’ve seen postings to this site with at least two links in them, so the link here can’t be the reason why my two previous attempts weren’t accepted.
They both were accepted Philip. I’m just not sure anyone has known the answer. I’ve seen all 3 posts and responded to this one and the last one.
I saw yesterdays too Philip and I suspect it has been renewed but only because of the unrelenting MSM hysteria
Refresh the page!
I’ve seen your previous posts, but I cannot answer your question..
More comments from Sarah Knapton’s article These are rather disturbing:
12:26PM
Can bacteria travel up the olfactory nerve to infect the meninges? Neisseria meningitides can…the olfactory system is a direct pathway to pathogen infection of central nervous: system; does mask-wearing increase the risk??
The law of unintended consequences.
12:47PM
They may not be able to travel, I’m not sure, but a nasal swab already contaminated at manufacturer would certainly place them there.
12:53PM
Yes I saw the US Department of Health put out news that they had accidentally contaminated 12,000 swabs. I mean how can anyone believe this rubbish? It defies belief. If I hadn’t seen it on an actual government website I would have said it was wind up. But sure enough that’s what they said. How is that even possible? Also a friend of mine said these swabs have some kind of yellow gel on the tip they are not clean swabs. So is this stage 1 of the vaccine they had obviously already created BEFORE any of us had even heard the term coronavirus? Why are they locking down Melbourne and forcing people to have tests? The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
They’re not forcing people generally in Melbourne to have ‘tests’ – I should know as I’m stuck in this dump until the ban on outward travel from Australia is removed. I’m exempt from their muzzling (restricted to those with medical conditions here, although no conditions seem to be excluded from exemption), but even if I weren’t I wouldn’t be wearing the filthy things. I see a fair few not, though a depressing number who do. My cousins have been complying openly with that, but completely flouting the lockdown otherwise, and I say good for them, and wonder if that is how many others are acting.
My sister in Swindon is avoiding shops, but will be holidaying in Scotland soon
, so she and my brother-in-law have sorted out masks in case they absolutely need to go somewhere they’re being enforced. They’re not exactly sceptics, but aren’t keen on the nonsense.
This stuff the Telegraph put out this morning about shortening quarantine if you get tested-how does that work? We’re only here for six days. The incubation period can be anything up to two weeks or even more. If we were unfortunate enough to test positive for Covid when we got back, how could they know that we hadn’t taken it with us rather than brought it back?
Good question. It’s all theatre anyway, so any actual practical considerations are irrelevant because we are dealing with a cult and a government of liars.
I would not get tested, too many false positives
I wouldn’t either – I’m not convinced they are not using testing to build a huge DNA database..
Yes indeed, if you can avoid it stay well away from the testing monster. In theory testing should be a good idea, in practice it is a nightmare, the powers that be do not know how to interpret and use the results and call all the +ve results an outbreak, complete madness. All this crazy talk about 2nd waves and Covid spikes is all about test results, there is no 2nd wave anywhere until people are dying and hospitals are overwhelmed and that is not happening. 2nd wave?????? not waving but drowning ……… in all the madness.
Recent studies have shown little to no transmission after 6 days. They may be factoring that in but they could also be using a Ouija board for all we know.
My wife just asked me at dinner:
What would you give to get Boris alone in a dark alley?
Me: I’d beat the crap out of him in front of TV cameras if I could get close enough to him and fuck the consequences.
Her: Can you do this to Gates and all the politicians as well?
Me: let me get a few buddies from lockdownsceptics and the work and tell me where Boris et al will be.
It might have been just the bottle of beer with the pizza talking a she doesn’t drink often, probably her first in 2 months but she is getting more militant daily, soon be worse than me.
If you happen to be rubbing any bottles in the next few days and get a genie offering you three wishes, drop me a line and I’ll join you for that party.
Break a bottle, give me the neck of it, I’m in.
I was at St Trinian’s.
I’d set fire to his pubes.
Just tell me when and where.
Anytime you like. And just below his belly button.
I’m actually surprised that no one has yet taken a shot at Hancock or any of the others..
We should dump them in a bad part of London or Glasgow and let the thugs there do their worst with that lot.
Especially Hancock, Sadiq Khan and Cressida Dick.
After a fairly stiff email to the Coop regarding their mask exemption (non) policy, which I posted on yesterday’s thread, I have finally wrung this response out of them. What a pity they couldn’t say this straight off. Also, I have seen no evidence that they have publicised this policy anywhere.
Anyway, the emphases are mine. I will email them again and seek their assurance that this policy is known to staff and available to customers in all their stores:
‘To clarify the Society’s position, we are in no way enforcing a mandate that would disadvantage people exempt from wearing a face mask. Our colleagues have been explicitly told not to enforce the Government guidelines on facial coverings, but to politely prompt any customer entering the store without a facial covering and direct them to the point of sale message at the entrance.
If the customer responds that they are exempt then that response will be accepted without any further questioning. This approach will reduce the risk of censure from other members of the public as with colleagues aware they can then interject and diffuse any point of tension that may develop. Highlighting the Government’s exemption cards may help some customers, but we are not insisting on their use in any way and respect individual privacy.
I hope this allays your concerns and reassures you that our approach is pragmatic and sensible with the primary objective being the protection and safety of all our colleagues and customers.’
This has been posted before I’m sure but the government’s own Coronovirus regulations 202 Paragraph 2 state clearly:
‘The government advice is not to challenge people to wear a face covering’
TheCo-op’s waffle is just that: rubbish to try to push mask sales. They are out of order and can be subject to a £5000-£9000 fine.
Send them a copy of these regs. and call their bluff. I’ve just done same to Bettys at Harrogate.
Missed of the link—sorry!
http://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf
Cheers, Harry. Apart from my not mentioning the mask sales bit, that was basically what I said in my previous email to them (posted on yesterday’s thread). They seemed to have got the point and clarified their policy. I’m sure I’m not the only person to have tried to put them straight.
I’m now trying to get them to say that they will make this clear to their staff and the public.
Go Harry!
Funny that I had the same run in with the National Gallery about their “face coverings recommended” which I challenged. Then surprise, surprise this dropped in my inbox:
https://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/products/sunflowers-face-mask/p_1050631
https://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/products/a-still-life-of-flowers-in-a-wan-li-vase-face-mask/p_1050632
Given that muzzles are not mandatory in museums and art galleries, I suspected that this recommendations were a push for their latest merchandise.
The Spectator are also at it. Both it and the Torygraph seem immune to its readers scepticism to this whole farce. The tide is turning…
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-warns-of-a-second-wave
Which way do you think the tide is turning?
“In Sweden, more testing saw official Covid rates spike last month but the number of Covid deaths continued a steady decline.”
Translation: If you carry out more tests, you will of course get more positive results. However, despite not being bullied by the rest of the world, deaths rates continue to fall in Sweden.
Latest hospital stats from Sweden, as of this morning:
302 currently in hospital (10 fewer than on Friday), of which 49 are in intensive care (4 fewer than Friday).
Total of eight new admissions of patients with CV-19, spread over 6 regions (1 or 2 in each region).
Thirteen of Sweden’s 21 regions have 10 or fewer hospitalised patients with CV-19, of which 9 regions have 5 or fewer hospitalised patients with the virus.
I’d predict that by next week there will be some regions with *no* hospitalised CV-19 patients…
“despite”, I think that should be “because”. The highest deaths in the world, per million, have been places like Belgium which locked down hard and early, not locking down has spared Sweden deaths from all the non-covid conditions which get negleced when countries panic about this cough.
There have been so many threats of a Second Wave – from BLM riots in cities to the footie crowds in the North – that it is clearly not going to be a Second Wave – it’s going to be a Mexican Wave!
Remember to cheer as it comes by…!!
Barbecues allowed, ‘very dangerous’.
People on beaches, ‘second wave’. ( Ha ha).
BLM mobsters, ‘maybe undoing the good we’ve done’
Pubs reopening, ‘very dangerous places’.
HURRY! LAST CHANCE! GET YOUR SECOND WAVE NOW! ! THESE PRICES CANNOT BE REPEATED! TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE!
Have we seen anything from John Pretty on here recently?
He’s in Leicester and was getting depressed about it ….
Not on here but I stuck up for him on OffG a day or so ago. He’d cracked a joke and got 20 down-votes from people with a sense of humour failure. I got a nice reply from him, thanking me.
Hope he is ok!
He seemed in good spirits when he replied to me.
The Barry Norris articles Toby has linked to are an excellent summary and fully referenced. Concise and handy to forward to those who might possibly be swayed.
Agreed, one of the most concise and fact-based (especially with the references) summaries that I’ve read.
Not sure if anyone else has arrived at this theory: the ‘sudden’ decision to quarantine holiday makers returning from Spain, and the subsequent cancelling of flights, package hols, etc by companies such as Tui, is a deliberate plan to make us stay at home, holiday within these shores and spend our money here in Blighty.
They have raised the panic levels again – Spain is a ‘hotbed’ of infection, according to MSM – in the hope that the fearful will staycate at home and spend the money (that Sunak has spaffed at us whilst we were furloughed) right here in the UK.
My sister’s holiday let is SOLIDLY BOOKED FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR! First time ever. All the bookings have been made in the past 5 weeks and ALL are Brits.
So that worked well, didn’t it Mr Sunak / Ms Patel? Kerching! Result!
Also, the announcement yesterday that HMG is struggling to process 400,000 passport applications because of the ‘impact’ of C19 is absolute bollox but it has the same effect as above, ie. don’t apply for / try to renew a passport as it will take months and your valuable documents will be lost in a mire of paperwork.
So we ignored the warnings and applied to renew teenage daughters last week and guess what?….the new one is on its way here as I write. 8 days. No delay at all.
It’s just hogwash to put off the feeble minded from attempting to travel abroad.
Govt. is desperate to see the retail & spending figures up so that the VAST sums spent on this disaster can be recouped somehow. We cannot be allowed pour these huge borrowed sums into other countries economies.
Yes, I can the sense in that
I think it is also to make people want to sign up for the Covi-pass to enable travel without quarantine.. Of course the covi-pass requires vaccination..
Possibly that too in the longer term, but they need us to part with our spondulix now. And to keep it local.
The adverts on the radio are all about getting out and about and holidaying in the UK at the moment. I think it is very deliberate.
Why on earth would anybody want such a huge infrastructure for Coronaviruses or any other disease in a sane world.
All these manufactured ‘crises’ and ‘responses’ are total fictions to keep the narrative going when there is less than no evidence to support it.
Bluntly : even given that the earlier responses were no way to deal with an infectious spike, there is now no evidence of an epidemic even. This is a political, not a health, crisis.
It is the money and lobbying of Big Pharma. The Remdezvir vs. Hydroxochloroqine saga proves it. And now Trump has been bought too.
Well, to be honest, we in British resorts need the money
Why anybody wants to ‘holiday’ in Fascist Spain just now, beats me.
This is true – our own local businesses need our support.
But it is hard to have a whole lotta fun with the misery of the mask-Gestapo and the shite weather ruining each day.
Maybe in Spain you can just pretend you cannot understand. And you will at least get the sun & a heap of Vit.D.
Whoa! You guys need to listen to Dr Stella Immanuel in the Frontline Doctors video at about the 2 hour mark! She does not hold back.
Kevin do you have a link to the full video? I watched one but it was only about 40 minutes long.
Section 1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ggiwwTnTwo&t=5s
Section 2 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfXd5wA7R1E&t=18s
Thanks Laura
Full video still available at Breitbart:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/
No, I’m afraid it’s not – it was earlier (I started watching it), but now it’s gone. And the frontlinedoctors.com website is coming up as ‘expired’. This is really rather worrying. What’s next for the memory hole?
Be interesting to see what this comes out with:
https://covidsciencesummit.com
It’s being run by Carnival Corporation and the World Travel & Tourism Council to get cruising going again.
Will keep you all posted if they come up with anything interesting or stupid.
Cruise ship with a mob of the face-nappied?
Ugh.
Just posted this on yesterday’s page –
Took OH in to Aldi and Tesco on Sunday, just so she could see there is nothing to be worried about in going shopping sans mask. She spent ages doing clothes, hair and face, just, I suspect, to wind up the maskers.
Anyhow all went well, except that when waiting outside Aldi, I was harassed by some young chap in his 20s. We were about 12′ apart (!), light to medium breeze blowing, no-one else around.
“Do you have to smoke there ? It’s smells revolting.” Usually I’m ok to move if requested to, but this wasn’t a request.
“Yes, I do. You look like a fucking idiot, but I’m not having a go at you about it.” (He was kitted out in sunglasses, neck mask, poncho, shorts, and big boots.).
He then shuffled off, muttering inaudibly.
I’m only posting this non-event, as it seems to me other internal censors have been ‘removed’ by the recent calls to shame non-maskers. I recall vague psychological arguments about approaching/breaching one taboo, leading on to others. I reckon it is now more ‘ok’ (for some) to shout at strangers in the street.
In one of my science fiction short story compendium book there is a story where the little switch inside humans that stop the violence when pissed off and that leads normally to a death when things like this happens has been switched off.
Your incident reminded me of that story but in it you would have turned around and killed him, a totally acceptable reaction.
Can’t find it at the moment as the room with my book collection (the library, sounds posh but just a small bedroom that no bed can fit in having 4 bookcases in) is filled with the other room’s stuff while decorating is ongoing but when I can get in there again will have to read it again.
Did cross my mind, AG, but had my smart ‘going in to town’ clothes on.
I like to sing at them as I pass, songs about how lockdown was a massive cockup and we need to stand up for liberty instead. easy enough to compose a few rhyming verses on the fly. Good thing about songs is people will hear them, and possibly remember them (see the “rhyme is reason” effect), and you can be pretty loud, but no-one thinks they are specifically being sung at. I remember a passage from a novel I read as a child in which someone a in a tower in a building in occupied Nazi europe has to warn an (english speaking) comrade outside on th ground to watch out for a (german speaking) guard on patrol, the novel agonised about how he can’t shout as the guard would be alerted to look around and find the comrade, he can’t speak as the comrade might hear him, so he sings the national anthem but with words replaced by instructions to the comrade. That bit in the novel has stayed with me, a loudly sung song can convey infromation without the startling effect of a shout.
This from The Telegraph “coronavirus live feed”:
Half of Brit[on]s going to Spain say they won’t quarantine on return [good!]
In a poll run by Telegraph Travel, more than half of Britons who say they will continue with their holiday to Spain will not go into quarantine on their return.
Here’s what happens [almost certainly won’t happen] if you break FCO or quarantine advice.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/what-happens-if-i-ignore-quarantine-and-fco-travel-advice/
Note the implied threat in the way they phrase things. Is this feed being vetted by our glorious government or something?
If you’re not working for somebody else you can tell them to go fuck themselves.
If you have an employer, they and you are in the brown and smelly.
It’s called ‘reviving the economy.’
US rise in deaths fake?
The US is a massive country. The number of deaths by State are what you should track. The worst deaths per million have all occured in lockdown states. The Southern States got it later than New York and NJ but will do a lot, lot better fora whole host of reasons, but the fact that they refuse to bow to the lockdown creed is making Fauci and the MSM mad. That is why they are trying ti scare them into it with riduiculous lies and exagerations. We need them to stand firm.
Lots of states with similar or smaller populations than Sweden, that had lockdowns, have had *more* deaths than Sweden!
Just had an update from a friend who was really despondent a few days ago driving up to Newcastle and all the hassles with masks at motorway service stations enforced by goon security, all shops in town wanting one, everybody except him wearing one etc.
He did wear the two-six badge with pride he said but felt very intimidated.
On his way back today he says completely different – service stations not bothered, no security at door, shops told him not to wear one as they needed the custom, more non-compliance, even had a few secret smiles, winks and head nods from other mask-free unbelievers so he believed me about the secret signs we are now passing between our selves like an underground movement.
He feels a lot better now, despondency lifting and the black cloud lightened some.
Will meet up with him next week for proper bullshit and a beer.
I never use M way services. Prices are ridiculous, at least, I think they are, cos well, I don’t use them.
I always plan stops at a Wetherspoons if poss. You know what you are getting and you don’t get ripped off. You can easily just use the loo, if that’s all you need. And hardly any coronacrap.
Alternatively, if you are going to need fuel Asda or Morrisons have good prices and poss a cafe. Course, now they have coronacrap to deal with, but we’re tough aren’t we?
YAY!
I think the badge is like a shield, beaming out subliminals.
Can you link again, 2-6?
Yep, but if you want some, get in there fast because I am away for a few days and I will stop the sale later today.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154016480170
Great.
Push, push, push it over.
Came down the M1 on last Friday night. Stopped at a services near Leicester for a comfort break at about 10.30pm. Not many people about, but only saw two muzzled punters. Customers in WH Smith were not wearing masks, likewise the sales assistant, who was perfectly friendly when serving one of them.
I’m not infectious – You might be but you can’t prove you’re not
I’m not a witch – You might be but you can’t prove you’re not
I’m not a heretic – You might be but you can’t prove you’re not
The articles by Barry Norris are sensational. As i wrote to a few fellow sceptics as i posted them the links…’there will be more and more of this stuff coming down the track, the MSM will try and suppress it as much as possible, and wont give airtime to anything but the official narrative, but their problems in doing so will mount until they will start to get a bit worried, and when the truth becomes beyond denial and obfuscation , they will then pretend that they were never ‘sure’ about it all in the first place and that suddenly ‘lots of new evidence’ is becoming available which ‘changes things’. The evidence is there now, you wankers, you just need to look at it. Just like all of those who now claim they ‘never REALLY believed in WMD, or those in Germany who were always against the Nazi’s, and everybody at the BBC who ‘always suspected’ that Savile was a wrong’un but that he was ‘protected by powerful interests’. They will all ine up to try and weedle out of their ludicrous, unthinking, cretinous support of this nonsense. Their heads should be on pikestaffs. .
Link?
There are two articles on today’s ‘Round-Ups’ page. The first two.
Yes, they are excellent, and devastating. It’s impossible now to keep up to date on reading all the various articles, but these are among the best summaries I’ve read or heard.
For me they are comparable with the Knut Wittkowski interviews of April-May.
Thoroughly recommended for anyone on here.
The hints at vaccine investment fraud seem pertinent and thoroughly plausible.
Russian adenovirus vector vaccine (very similar to ChAdOx1) successfully trialled on oligarchs.
The next phase will be non-human primates and if all goes well it should be safe to try it on humans after that.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/russian-elite-got-experimental-covid-19-vaccine-from-april
Would you take a virus if (hypothetically) you were convinced it is safe in itself?
I wouldn’t, because although I’ve never been fanatically anti-vaccine I do operate on a general principle of avoiding medication unless there’s a clear case for it, and as far as I can see this disease simply isn’t a sufficiently prevalent threat even to those in more vulnerable categories. Then again, the same applies to the flu vaccine, which I’ve never taken and perhaps I’ll be persuaded to do so as I get older.
You mean would I take the vaccine? Not personally. The vaccine itself would very likely be fine, but there is a risk of it causing enhanced Covid-19. This is a small risk (with the ChAdOx1 vaccine, a bit bigger with the Chinese inactivated whole virus vaccines) but it’s impossible to say with certainty that it’s smaller than the risk from regular Covid-19 itself. I may have already had Covid-19 anyway but in any case the chance of catching it now is very low.
But if I was living in New Zealand, Iceland or Taiwan, maybe I would take ChAdOx1 (for personal protection and to save grannies). It would certainly be a tougher call. I wouldn’t have the Chinese one for at least a couple of years to see what happens with it.
If a vaccine means Australia will remove its repugnant ban on leaving this dump so I can finally rejoin my fiancé, then I’m all for it, maybe even take the thing myself (I’ve never reacted to any before, not even the much maligned swine flu one – I’m asthmatic so I generally have the flu vaccine, as some years back in one of the few years I didn’t I caught a nasty flu that was circulating and it developed into pneumonia, and I wasn’t right for months). If we were married I’d doubtless be able to get an exemption to leave, but as that was our intention this year…
…I’m sure you can all see where I’m going with that thought. It’s not to say that I wouldn’t be granted one anyway, but as most of our relationship has by necessity been long distance (he works on cruise ships and is only just this past week in Genoa en route to Southampton after being stuck in Dubai for months), I have no proof that we are in one at all except reams of daily WhatsApp messages, so I am doubtful (and resent the fact that it is required).
Are you saying they aren’t letting you leave Australia? What’s the rationale they give for that?
Probably hasn’t served her full sentence yet …
I’m not a British national (only been resident for a while, but not currently obviously), if I were I’m sure I could. Australian nationals are forbidden to leave the country without an exemption being granted. It’s been the case since April or May. It started as a travel advisory (rethink international travel blah, blah, which I guess is fair enough, though still not really justifiable) but was then converted to a ban a few weeks later because people were still exercising their common sense and going abroad anyway.
No one is allowed in either, without an exemption (like diplomatic types or if someone’s relative is dying), so it is at least consistent, but if they start letting others in without letting locals out, that becomes true dictatorship (I think Cuba has something like that normally – tourists can come in, but Cubans can’t go out without permission).
I don’t recall any attempt at justification, it was just done and that was that. There is nothing that would justify it so anything would have sounded hollow anyway.
Duh! Yes, vaccine obviously (careless typing and proofing – very annoying)!
OK, fair enough. I think avoiding contact with grannies if you have symptoms is enough, myself. Life isn’t about living forever, either for myself or for others.
Another WHO (former) bod, Professor Costello, adding to what Dr Nabarro said this morning on Sky. NO to a second wave. This is definitely a change of stance along the WHO nexus (perhaps they are trying to coax the US back as they need the money?). Makes Boris look like a total numpty for what he is now saying about second wave. Also, some interesting stats on Sky – Romania, Bulgaria, much higher positive cases per 100k than Spain. No quarantine of ‘seasonal’ fruit pickers necessary, even if they are living 50 deep in a compound and wandering freely around the nearest Primark!
Yes, the WHO need the USA’s money.
But it could be a temporary ‘pause’ in ‘the plan’ – read somewhere that the target date for everything AI to be in place is March 31st 2025, so ‘they’ maybe have time to pause things if they think there are too many rebels about…?
Making de Pfeffel (like Peter Hitchens, I won’t use the more common, matey ‘Boris’ – he is no mate of ours!) look like a total numpty – how could he not?
The point about the fruit pickers is they’re doing much more skilled labour than Boris, Hancock and Raab. If we deport the pickers, no nice meals, if we deport the government, no nasty lockdowns.
Some else posted this in the comments section under Carl Vernon’s latest video – I thought it would be nice to share … so true!
It’s just a mask.
It’s just six feet.
It’s just two weeks.
It’s just non-essential businesses.
It’s just non-essential workers.
It’s just a bar.
It’s just a restaurant.
It’s just to keep from overwhelming the hospitals.
It’s just until the cases go down.
It’s just to flatten the curve.
It’s just a few inmates.
It’s just to keep others from being scared.
It’s just for a few more weeks.
It’s just church. You could still pray.
It’s just prayer.
It’s just until we get a vaccine.
It’s just a bracelet.
It’s just an app.
It’s just for tracing.
It’s just to let people know you’re safe to be around.
It’s just to let others know who you’ve been in contact with.
It’s just a few more months.
It’s just some more inmates.
It’s just a video.
It’s just a post.
It’s just an email account.
It’s just for protecting other from hate speech.
It’s just for protecting others from hurt feelings.
It’s just a large gathering but for protests.
It’s just a few violent protests.
It’s just a little micro chip.
It’s just a blood test.
It’s just a test.
It’s just a scan.
It’s just for medical information.
It’s just to store a vaccination certificate.
It’s just like a credit card.
It’s just a few places that don’t take cash.
It’s just so you can travel.
It’s just so you can get your driver’s license.
It’s just so you can vote.
It’s just mail-in voting.
It’s just a few more years.
It’s just a statue.
It’s just a monument.
It’s just a building.
It’s just a song.
It’s just a lyric.
It’s just an anthem.
It’s just a few words.
It’s just a piece of paper.
It’s just a book.
It’s just a movie.
It’s just a TV show.
It’s just a cartoon character.
It’s just a piece of cloth.
It’s just a flag.
It’s just a dog at a protest.
It’s just a religion.
It’s just a holiday.
It’s just your guns.
It’s just the police.
It’s just the military
It’s just your freedoms….gone forever.
And “It’s just” the way they planned it.
It’s been doing the rounds. Still good to see though.
And, with each of those lines, one could point out that, what Dominic Raab said over taking the knee, it is actually a symbol of subservience and subjugation – and, as Raab did not say, it is also the next step to a totalitarian Kingdom. No thanks!
It’s just a cattle truck
It’s just a workplace – see that sign? “Arbeit Macht Frei”
It’s just a quick shower before you start work
Totally unscientific straw poll. I’ve been discussing this with friends. What’s with us sceptics? Is it IQ do you reckon? Or frame of reference? Or background? Or fundamental values?
My little gang of sceptics, two other women I share a daily chat with, we’re all bright. Two of us are arty, but with mensa IQ, one is a PhD scientist with a brain like a planet.
My question really, why are we ‘outliers’? I’ve been quite shocked that mine is a minority opinion, I don’t think I or we are all that unusual as people are we?
Literally my very first response to this was scepticism, and a very clear vision of the consequences, gut wrenchingly visceral actually.
I don’t get why we are the oddballs?
I’m not thick but not specially bright either. It seems to me to take all sorts. Cynicism, curiousity, a dislike of taking silly orders from slimy people, love of life. In my case I wanted to find out for myself the risks I faced, so I could make my own decisions about how to react to the virus.
Yeah, I think you are right, I suppose I’ve been really shocked at how angry my opinions make people, I really wasn’t prepared to be in the minority, it all seems so feckin’ obvious to me, but obviously not to most people. I’d have cracked up without you all, it’s quite a lonely position to be in.
Same here, but remember my favourite quote: ‘Sanity is not statistical’.
And remember Galileo: e pur’ si muove. The truth is the truth, and if a billion other people say it is not so and you say it is, you are right and the billion others are wrong.
Just remember, if you are of average intelligence half of everyone you meet is stupider than you.
Thanks, you’d have to be spectacularly stupid not to get this though!
You think we are the oddballs?
This is a question that perplexes me daily but I am finding when you dig, more and more are actually sceptical but afraid to admit it.
For me, and I thank my father for it, I was always taught to question everything.
Ha! Other people seem to think we are outrageous though, I don’t think I’m an oddball, but it’s weird and like you say, perplexing, to be in that ‘camp’. I think my position is entirely reasonable and backed up by facts, it just doesn’t seem to count for a lot. I’ve found it really hard to compute, why we are seen as so fringe.
I don’t have extreme political views, I haven’t lived my life on the margins or anything, I’m fairly ordinary in almost all ways, it’s been quite a shock.
Maybe you’re right, and we’re just a bit braver?
maybe it’s because we don’t watch ‘love island’, soaps and all the other crap, we have a brain and think for ourselves!!!
I think it’s how we think too, we do seem to come at this, and think about this, and filter information around this in a different way.
I’d go for lots of different reasons.
Not being hooked on MSM is a big factor. Cynicism. Intuition. Life experiences. Upbringing. Important role models when growing up. Intelligence coupled with a strong desire to find things out for oneself. There are loads of factors.
Yes, very true. Maybe we’re the ‘wise’ ones, our culture doesn’t have much use for wisdom anymore, traded for youth and popularity.
Maybe it’s ‘herd immunity’ in the metaphorical sense? We’re not so anxious to be in the middle of the crowd? That’s always been true about me. People do seem to need permission.
‘I have to look myself in the mirror each morning’ was what my dad used to say – never heard anyone else say that, thanks!
i haven’t looked in the mirror since lockdown started … or changed my clothes!! ha
Agree, it’s having a moral conscience.
I think that I can argue and demonstrate why the governments policies are morally wrong. It doesnt matter what the government, media, or opinion polls say.
I find it hard to take lockdown zealots seriously. I never felt that way about people in the Brexit debate.
There’s our kh back on top form! Wonderful!
I was asked for my name yesterday when ordering a cuppa. Was taken aback, but not sufficiently to give my real name.
Since then I’ve been amusing myself thinking of aliases. I think ‘Pessima Dickhead’ is my best so far. I shall tell whoeveritis that ‘Pessima’ has been the well-deserved name of every first-born Dickhead daughter since the Zombie Conquest.
My expereince is a bit mixed, but if there is a dividing line I would say it is between those who operate in entrepreneurial environments where ideas are challenged, groupthink and acceptance of dogma are not just discouraged but dangerous to the business and economic outcomes and who have a high degree of self reliance. Those who work in big corporates and the public sector tend towards the ‘nanny knows best’ and ‘if the Government says it, it must be true’ approach. That’s my experience, it isn’t uniform but it’s been a good indicator in my peer group.
I think you might be right, ‘self reliance’ certainly fits, I think it’s largely personality type or character, and yes I certainly grew up in that environment, and have always been encouraged to argue my corner if I believe something.
I think I have good instincts too, generally my first gut feeling is the right one, and this felt wrong from the off. The facts have just backed that up as time has gone on.
Agreed, It ‘felt wrong’ to me from the off as well. I had exactly the same feeling over the Weapons of Mass Destruction BS as well. I was quite an outlier on that one at the beginning, but one of my biggest doubters on that one is a fully fledged sceptic on this, and says he was amazed that I could hold such a strong view against the grain, and be proved correct. We will be proven so on this. I think the evidence is already clear and in…… They are just denying it and trying to change the story to cover it up. !
Oh God, the whole war on terror had me in knots. That’s the only demo I’ve ever been on, Stop the War, utterly astonished they’d now managed to link Iraq to the whole insanity. I think time will prove us right too.
I was there! The second, smaller London demonstration. I’ve a feeling the same entities behind the 9/11 war crimes are behind this crime against humanity too.
Well Blair does keep popping up to give his opinion..
Sorry, but the upper reaches of the Civil Service are full of deeply cynical people. Comes with having to deal with politicians all the time.
Age? Type of education? IQ?
Yeah I can’t work it out, I think Chris is right and self reliance is more likely. I mean the chaps on sage aren’t stupid IQ wise or uneducated but seem thick as two short planks. Maybe it’s the *way* we think, boffins seem to get stuck in silos of group think?
It doesn’t appear to be exclusively political leanings either, as I’ve always voted lib dems or Labour, although I feel like there are more right leaning types on here than those my usual ‘team’.
My job is programming, which is very logical work – if x = y then do z. And I have to constantly test and verify work, so maybe that plays a part for me – desire to verify and validate things in a logical way – I absolutely detest being told to do illogical things.
Critical thinking and application of logic. Good points, I think there is something in that. I think a proper understanding of risk is important as well.
True both. And we’ve discussed politics a lot here, I defo think lockdown has been politicised, sceptism seems a broad church. I wonder if adversity is also something to do with it, without telling my life story, I wonder if hard knocks is part of the self reliance thing? I said to one friend, ‘all these people whimpering about being scared, don’t know they are born’. I found it all a bit pathetic.
Exactly Bec. the sad thing is, that for many, they don’t realise what is about to hit them. When they lose their jobs and their livelihoods, face all the miseries that entails they won’t be so bothered about the ‘deadly Covid’. I think it is important to try and persuade, and definitely not ‘demonise’ people for not seeing the world the way we do. They will come round and we need them to. We certainly shouldn’t engage in the silliness of calling them thick or frightened rabbits.
No, true, my friend always says ‘remember the lurkers’. I suppose we have to lead by example, that it’s safe to question all this, and there’s nothing to fear from the virus. I actually think most people aren’t ‘thick’ really, they might not be educated, but they’re not stupid, plus most people are decent, and all this has really just pressed their buttons. I think if we can bring the fear down, they will be able to ‘hear’ what we are saying.
Definitely – everyone masked and frightened are on the same side as us. All this (and the BLM protests) are created to split us apart – divide and rule. When the storm hits, I’m hoping we’ll realise we’re all on the same side. If and when that happens, the real enemy will realise they are vastly outnumbered. And they cannot win.
The fact that we think and act as we do, in defiance of their rules, already means they cannot win. They can only win if ALL of us become their sheep.
That’s really important to remember, you are right. We are all on the same side, I try to remember to rein in my cynicism, most people are good.
Except that Pol Pot won in the short term. Beware complacency
Why is Hancock so despicable? I honesrtly cannot stand that guy. The worst of the worst!
I’ve found out recently I was actually at the same school as him, at the same time (just). If only I could go back in time and warn my younger self…
… and engage in a spot if preventive assassination, maybe.
I’m another who was at the same school as Hancock – but many years before him. His comments are on the front page of the school website’s”alumni” section. I expect they might struggle for pupils if they don’t expurgate that section.
The ‘safety’ thing really annoyed me too, life doesn’t promise is us safety, or a civillised society will do what’s necessary to make us ‘safe enough’, we’re not due any more safety than that.
I feel like the only person in my generation who hasn’t fallen for the excesses of health and safetyist bullshit (in general), and my does this panicdemic make it apparent who the box-ticking risk-assessment brandishing braindead are.
I agree that things need to be logical, but I detest being told what to do full stop, to the point that if someone tells me to do something I intended to do anyway I often put it off so it doesn’t look like I did it just because they said so. Contrarianism perhaps, but if I were to pick the most appropriate question word to sum me up, it would certainly be Why? There is obviously no reason to treat this differently to any ordinary minor respiratory virus because that’s clearly what it is, so insofar as I can, I will not comply with their government by cabal.
I’ve recently gone beyond the concepts of ‘left’ and ‘right’. They’ve become empty, meaningless abstractions to me. The only thing important politically to me now is justice, truth and humanity.
Hear hear.
Moreover, I think that combatting Covid Fascism is a single issue of such importance that no other divisions of opinion matter much. There are plenty of people on this site with various ideas that I don’t share, but the heat of battle is not the time or place to squabble. Win the battle, win the war, then we can take up old disputes at our leisure.
I used to be all sorts of things politically before the panicdemic response wrecked our human rights, now I’m on the side of literally anyone and everyone who is against this lockdown. I might not agree with them all, I think anti-vaxxers for example are quite mad, but I’ll stand alongside any and all of them if it helps get us a civilised non-authoritarian society again.
I think it may be related to how the lockdown affected your income.If like me,it’s taken away my employment,it certainly makes you question the reasoning behind it all.Most of my friends at work think it is all rubbish.If you are sitting at home furloughed or working for home,then at the moment you are still quite comfortable and you have no need to question the narrative you are presented with.
But quite a few of us on here are working full time, Jonathan.
18 weeks no work for me
LSD
haha, it’s been a while!
Bad 2-6 !
Born difficult and cynical I think – first memories of school, about age 7, ‘TT will you ever accept you are wrong’. I am a natural science graduate, married to a natural science graduate, and we both have PhDs in social science areas. We can see the bullshit from all angles in ‘the science’ debate!
My school report aged 7 ‘Bec doesn’t suffer fools gladly’ – I’ve never grown out of that! But I’m entirely different educationally from you, I’m humanities, degree in English, total bookworm, but does mean I have really good empathy, the consequences of lockdown in human terms were just very very obvious.
My work niche, as well as synthesising whopping amounts of new info, and regurgitating it in coherent terms, is the social and health consequences of economic deprivation (I’m a fundraising consultant, so I construct cases for support for why you should care about something, social welfare is my area) so I know, inside out and upside down, what unemployment, or poor educational attainment, or growing up in poverty means for long term outcomes. Horrific, basically.
Probably most significantly, like you, I also absolutely HATE being told what to do, I mean really hate it. Nothing riles me quicker than ‘what you need …’ – they can hardly finish before I say, ‘I’ll be the judge of that ….’ I suppose I was ripe to be a doubting Thomas!
I grew up in a ‘two-up-two-down’ opposite a well-known council estate. We had tough times when my dad lost his job in the 1973/4 recession, and we never regained the pre-recession level of income. My life was positively luxury compared to the kids in the estate, many of whom I hear about from my mother when I speak to her. When I visit her, I occasionally see some of them. Some of the girls of my age are well on their way to being great grandmas. My parents were ‘different’ – my dad was very bright but messed around at school, leaving with 3 O Levels, my mother left school at 15 with no qualifications.
I was very good at Maths, and had an excellent memory up to about 18. I was the first in my extended family to take A Levels, and go to university. I read facts, and approached O Level English Literature as I did French and Latin – an exercise in remembering facts. Roll forward to the last few years, both sons studying all Humanities at A Level, requiring considerable parental support. That sure was a challenge for us science parents!
I went to one of those, and was also that girl (plus I was crap at sports and super bright), it was a living hell. Good for you!
Your posts do not indicate that at all! God, I wouldn’t be 14 again for all the tea in China!
Wow that is bad, but well done the boy. By senior school (grammar which went comprehensive) I was a lost cause – non compliance on uniform policy and regularly deemed ‘aggressive’. My dad, himself no fan of authority, often called the school to pick up the pieces – ‘she has nothing to apologise for’ – thanks dad! My mother’s background was helpful too. Her father did bare knuckle fighting on the Quayside in Newcastle, and had a fundamental view that you only ever hit someone your own size, and certainly not children. Discharged from the Burma campaign with polio, and with the use of only one arm, he did not react very well to the teacher demonstrating his caning skills on my mother’s very timid elder brother. The teacher hid in a cupboard when he turned up at the school.
Aha, maybe we’re all left handers?
All the best people are …
I am.
The whole world is set up the wrong way round. It isn’t fair.
Waaah, I want LHLM to pull down every statue of a right-handed person ever erected.
Another lefty here!
My younger son is left-handed. He has a sixth sense. Little girl in his class (year one) was in tears – her mother had terminal breast cancer. He went to the teachers desk, got a tissue and took it to her to comfort her. He argues very logically and convincingly – managed to get him and his room-mate upgraded to a better room on the school ski trip, aged 16! Teachers tend to avoid me – they always seem to prefer to talk to the dads and assume the mums will sit there passively at parents evenings. Not so in this household!
Dai Bando !!
I remember a school report labelling me as “difficult” and a teacher reiterating the same description to my parents. My mum once said that of the three of us (I’m the oldest of three sisters) I was the one she had the most trouble with as I constantly asked “why” and never did what I was told.
I also grew up in a country that’s so corrupt and where the political establishment is pretty much staffed with liars, crooks and psychopaths.
That’s probably why I’ve never brought this whole thing lock, stock and barrel. I have a high bullshit radar.
My bullshit radar is pretty well tuned too. I always wanted to know why, I hated that thing adults did, ‘because I say so’.
Agree. That’s also another reason why my relatives labelled me as “nonconformist”. I also don’t like being dictated to and I’ve always answered back.
The UK ?
Nope. Somewhere in SE Asia.
I struggle to think of a country anywhere on earth which does NOT fit that descrption.
Was that teacher Matt the Death? Failed teacher becomes politician?
Toby and Delingpole discussed this a little on their podcast (link above), from the point of view of conformism and the “four quadrants of conformism” piece he linked a few days back. He made the good point, I thought, that we don’t really need to ask why the worst coronazealots can’t understand the truth – it’s simply that they like the opportunity it provides to bully and boss other people around so much that they willfully blind themselves to countervailing facts and arguments.
Seemed pretty plausible to me, and the answer to your specific question would then be that we here are basically the “aggressive nonconformists” and perhaps a few “passive nonconformists” in the population.
Interesting, will have a listen. I also think some people have found it sweet relief to finally collapse into the arms of big brother, with someone finally telling them what to do, I think perhaps it does make them feel ‘safe’ (in the same way some very very dependent people end up in abusive relationships, sitting ducks for their own personal authoritarian, and then say things like ‘but I could never cope on my own’ when they seem to have prodigious tolerance for ‘coping’ with quite horrendous levels of crap).
I thought straight away that it was quite something that the Government tells everybody not to go to work and stay at home. After all the propaganda they have pumped out for so long about work shy benefit scroungers, all the social shaming they promoted about it. People just kind of went, phew thank goodness, I don’t have to go to work, fine. Couple that with taking any pressure away from claiming benefit which is just horrible. Yay! a 3 month holiday with no social shaming what so ever. Better than that it became vitreous as to how little people were doing while saving the NHS and grannies.
Certainly a big and deeply felt change in attitude. Yes like a hug from big brother and a cheque.
Yep, I did wonder if we’d chipped away at the social contract for so long (some people work in terrible jobs, terrible conditions, for terrible pay) whether we’d brought it on ourselves. Life is so insecure now, maybe we shouldn’t be surprised that people just opted out and felt no particular loyalty to systems and instutions that give no shits about them?
For the workshy this has been brilliant.The government doling out money left right and centre.Mortgage rent holidays.No pressure about council tax,overdrafts credit card holidays.
This is the main red flag for me.Someone is going to pay and it’s going to be us and our children and their children.
A Big Brother Hug. How sweet.
I think it is simply a question of being, if I may coin a phrase, an awkward git. We like to make our own minds up and are probably mostly the sort who will stand up at a meeting and point out alternative ways to interpret any data reported.
That’s why my nom de plume is awkward git, started being one when thrown out of Sunday school for asking why? too much as nothing they told us made much sense and I wouldn’t just believe or take on faith.
Been the same ever since and getting worse.
But found out much that made things a lot more sensible by starting reading the Sumerian epics and moving on from there.
Quite so – I knew I was taking your name in vain, but hoped it helped make a point. I am probably a bit (but only a bit!) less confrontational than you, but often feel I need to try harder. Respect, sir!
Wish we could meet up to compare how awkward we are! I have been grossly awkward, arrogant and big headed for over 50 years. It’s finally coming in handy.
I laughed when Lionel Shriver was interviewed a while back and said something along the lines that if she was ordered into the lifeboats she’d be asking what had gone wrong with the ship first. I would be the same.
In my observation it is also to do with your ability to calculate and accept risk. I doubt you get many adrenal sport participants in the zealot category.
Lastly there are some who can see through it but choose not to engage with what they can’t change…definitely the lower stress approach but not that of anyone on this site.
I agree, many people just want a quiet life. I grew up with horses, fear was for wimps, my childhood contravened many European safety directives!
You’ll enjoy listening to the ‘planet normal’ podcast. They are collecting anecdotes from ‘dangerous’ childhoods. My favourite so far was a Joan of Arc game. Luckily parents arrived home as the newspaper under the feet of the tied-up participant was set alight!
I was laughing with my brothers about this the other day, we had a feral childhood by today’s standards. I mean, it’s not many parents who’d send a ten year old out on a pony with no brakes and give you 10p for a ‘phone box’ just in case – there were no phone boxes, we were the middle of nowhere, you’d have to knock on someone’s door, covered in blood and mud, and ask to borrow the phone. The horse arriving home on its own, generally prompted a drive around the lanes to find me (reminds me of the Victoria Wood sketch about the girl who swims the English Channel, she gets lost, her parents say ‘she’ll turn up, she’s got her O Level French’). Or we’d disappear with the dog to go ‘swimming in the river’ and be told to be ‘back for dinner’. Motorbikes, fires, knives, air rifles, rope swings, the lot. It was great! My only embarrassing moment was when I climbed up a massive oak tree at my brother’s cub camp and then was too scared to get down. I can still remember the burning shame as my dad drove up with the extension ladders on the roof rack! A small crowd had gathered.
Nice post Bec. I’m still a lot like that – quite chuffed when my set of throwing knives arrived recently.
I’ve never liked taking orders. If someone asks me nicely to do something, that’s different. But when I get told “do it”……grrrrrrrrr!!!!!
I also like to read facts and form my own feelings, rather than have someone tell me how I should feel about something. Bit of a rebellious streak.
God made many people docile but some others a bit “spikey”.
For me it is values. Freedom and liberty are part of what gives life meaning. Everything, including speech is permitted unless there is a reason to not permit it. We should debate and argue these reasons.
We should never have a government inform us what is permitted, and ban everything else. It’s the wrong way round. And we should never have things banned when the reasons haven’t been debated.
What has been done is so severe, it needed a huge justification. We never had one.
Some people think that safety is the principle value now, and should supervine all other values. But everything meaning that I have ever done in my life has had some risk. (When I look back on regrets of the past, it is almost always something I didnt do because I was too scared).
Being scared and risk adverse makes us less free. What is the point of living like that?
Identity is another core value. I used to find part of that in my membership of a community, culture and citizenship, but I’m a bit lost now. I would quite happily emigrate if I could persuade my wife and mother to come too.
All sounds a bit sentimental but that’s what I think.
Yes, I agree with all this too, very well put, and the feeling some things are sacred and we must guard them carefully (triggering a massive political evolution personally, as I felt so very out of step with my peers).
We are being shifted towards Napoleonic law, where you can *only* do that which is *specifically allowed*, as opposed to being free to do whatever you wish, except what is *specifically prohibited* by the law – and there is a big difference between these two…
Well, I’m marching with Wellington. A pox on Old Boney.
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.
I’m assuming a limited take up on this reference.
Hating being told what to do. Hating being patronised. Hating being treated like I’m too stupid to make up my own mind. Hating feeling controlled!
Yes to all of those!
Actually, scared of being controlled, more scared of that than death, it turns out.
Yes, totally agree. I could just have easily written “hating feeling out of control”. Out of control of the most basic things in life, like leaving my own house and seeing my own family, or going to buy food without having to cover my face. Knowing all this and more can be taken away from me with zero notice, at any time and for as long as they want. It’s terrifying.
Yep, I had the ‘if it quacks like a duck’ thing from the off too. I like to understand things, so I tend to go and look if something doesn’t make sense. I’ve never been a shrugger!
What makes a sceptic? I don’t think there’s any glib answer. We’re all different, we’ve all grown up with different experiences. I don’t know if anyone can say they were born a sceptic. How would you know?
The sceptics who I know come from wildly different backgrounds: a self-employed scaffolder, an engineer, a civil servant, a solicitor, a Big Issue vendor, a man doing 7 years in prison. The best sceptic blogger I read is cattle farmer Joel Salatin. For myself it’s probably just a case of borderline autistic spectrum – saw Michael Levitt crunching the numbers in March and thought “yeah that makes sense”.
Yes, that’s true too. Autism is a long-standing family trait, mild in some more severe in others. I think it allows you to separate logic and fact from emotion. Completely immune to the ‘if it saves just one life’ lie….
Its odd, i’ve always been the same , I always have to know why ? Said who? always have to spend time going to the next stone to peek under . Plus I reckon some folk just have a logical mind , which strangely ties in with art . If something doesn’t “look right” visually , I can spot it a mile off . And if something makes no sense , doesn’t look right reading something it just smacks me in the face. I’m far from brainy but i’m dogged in looking for the reasons and the truth .
Better than Eastenders by a long chaulk
I say ‘says who?’ a LOT! I agree it ties in with art, for sure. We all seem quite similar in that regard.
I think with me, it’s because I question everything. I’m curious. I love truth and hate lies. And if something is simply nonsense, I don’t see why I should have to accept it, even if the majority do. I also don’t care what other people think of me or say about me behind my back.
I’ve got better at that since I’ve got older, a couple of friends have really hurt me in their response to me over this though, I was quite shocked we were so far apart.
I used to tell my sons as teenagers that it was easy to go along with the crowd, but far more difficult to stand up against it and be counted. It stood them in good stead. They have both being doing their bit for scepticism on their WhatsApp group and of course have been shouted down for doing so. It will come right for them in the end though.
I agree, I have felt morally we are on the right side of this, even if lockdown does save lives, it COSTS and we have an obligation to talk about that.
perhaps we are more willing to take responsibility for our actions, be accountable and are more self reliant…less willing to be a victim?
I think it’s that once something seems a bit off and you stop to scrutinise it, if you’re right, then it’s like you take a step back.
From this more detached perspective, it’s easy to see the flaws in the argument.
My Damascean moment was the infamous tank on the runway at Gatwick. I’ve never taken news at face value since.
It does help to have alternative sources of information available. That’s why the current censorship is so worrying – though it definitely proves we sceptics are onto something!
As Icke said many years ago: “If I’m talking a load of bollocks, why do they go to so much trouble to shut me up?”
I wory about where all the lockdown sceptics are, they just don’t seem to exist among those people I know and encounter. And I’m really worried about where the rest of them are in my profession (university researcher in a physical, not medical or biological, science), no colleagues seem to recognise the truly tiny level of risk the virus poses, everything I hear from everyone is patronising rubbish about “keeping safe”. is there no-one on my neck of the woods interested in keeping FREE?
Retail Report
Medium sized Boots the chemist branch.
Wife walked in unmasked walked around to buy what she needed, everyone other than her masked up, security guard was wearing a welders type face shield.
One a positive noone, either staff or customers said a word to her about not being masked..
Great article on masks:
https://thecritic.co.uk/face-masks-make-you-stupid/
Please can someone with Twitter post this and send to Peter Hitchens? He’d love it, plus he has lots of followers!
They are dehumanising and demeaning for starters. And no doubt mandating them in any circumstances is in violation of some section or another of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, let alone any national similar Acts or Charters.
Not trying to bore people to death on this, honest, but any Declaration, Act, Charter, Convention, or Constitution without the right to bear arms is waste paper. Sadly.
I think that’s why masks are being pushed at schools – brainwash kids early. Simon Dolan is thinking of starting schools without masks etc – interesting thread on his Twitter feed right now. Everyone very keen – so far the thread has not been hijacked by the pro-mask brigade!
What happened to Summerhill?
Quote:
‘The point of face masks is not to protect humans, but to diminish humanity – to rob people of their ego, their identity, and their autonomy.’
Actually, face rags aren’t needed to make people stupid, because most people are stupid to start with, and those who aren’t are currently doing their best to become so. The object is indeed and solely to dehumanise.
“….To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.”
Fantastic podcast with Dr John Lee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEljJ6qyBc
Sorry, off topic, but I can never see that guy’s name without thinking ‘Babbacombe’ ……
Local garage just now: a lot more people not wearing masks, including the attractive checkout woman
A spot of bare-face action tonight in the local chippy and onestop. Easy peasy. Managed to converse with a young lady who forgot her mask, said it was OK to go in the chippy without one, she is exempt, everybody is, explained the law and in she went. YAY! Got some surprised looks in the one stop, a bit of cognitive dissonance going on with the nappy-faces. LOL fuck em.!
I went to Morrisons last night. Only one other person was not wearing a mask (staff were all wearing!), but I wasn’t challenged and no one said anything, although notably the people I watched leave ALL took their masks off as soon as they exited the main door.
Today I (fiinally!) went to get a hair cut at the hairdresser I’ve been going to for decades. It feels S-O-O much better now! At the entrance a very nice masked young woman.
‘Can I take your track and trace details please?’
‘No, I’d rather not’
‘You’ll need to wear a mask’
‘No, I’d rather not’
‘Do you have one?’
‘No’
‘We have them here, 50p each’
‘No, I don’t want to wear one thank you’
‘Er, OK, can you sanitize your hands please?’
‘No. I’m happy to use soap and water but I won’t use sanitizer’
At that point she said ‘Take a seat please’ (tape across all the seats to force distancing while waiting) but before I could sit down one of the hairdressers was available.
On the way out I did say to her that I hoped she didn’t think I was rude to which she said no and it was just what they were being told to do. I told her my degree was in Microbiology (true) so my take on this is very different.
I’m going to start asking people WHY they are so afraid to see what response it gets. It is such a strange experience though being the mask rebel!
DavidC
Oh, and the staff at my local SPAR continue to be pragmatic and brilliant! bless them!
I’ve been thinking about asking people why they’re wearing masks, with a caveat that an answer ‘because the government says so’ is not acceptable. It’s as ridiculous as if the government told everyone they would draw lots and anyone drawn would have to jump off a bridge – no one would just accept that, and nor should they just accept this. Understanding why could be the key to stopping compliance.
The Scottish Sun: Vile moment masked man confronted after being caught taking poo in Highland lad’s garden.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5861938/poo-garden-masked-dingwall-highlands/
“Poo-garden-masked-dingwall-highlands”
Here’s a first-rate opportunity
To go poohing with impunity…
Having been using TFL’s services both for work and Mr Bart and I’s “staycation”, I have been disturbed by their announcements regarding mandatory muzzling. Today was the worst as we heard the same announcement over the span of 5 minutes. So have just sent this off to TFL:
I would like to complain about your public announcements regarding face coverings. On our way to Stratford, the announcement was played twice within the span of 5 minutes. The wording and the frequency of the announcement is manipulative and constitutes as harassment of people who are not unable to wear the face coverings for reasons of health whether physical or psychological.
This is not the only time I have felt harassed and uncomfortable over your announcements as I have encountered the same ones during other journeys.
Perhaps you should practise what you preach in your new adverts about showing consideration and amend your announcement and lessen the frequency of announcing them over your PA system.
Lessen the frequency to zero, ideally.
Exactly. That would be so much better!
This PA messaging is just incredible, so Orwellian. A constant drip drip drip of brainwashing. I bet even North Korea doesn’t have this shit. The bastards.
Agree. Even my husband noticed it and was really irritated, hence why we decided that enough was enough and we complained.
Droplets of propaganda and brainwashing.
Just found this in The Guardian’s live feed:
And, while we are on the subject of coronavirus figures, the tables here, on the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control’s website, provide a good guide to how the situation in the UK compares with the situation in EU countries.
On the new cases measures, there are several countries doing a lot worse than the UK. For example, Spain has its 14-day cumulative number for new cases running at 47.2 per 100,000, while in the UK it is 15 per 100,000.
But on deaths (a lagging indicator, because people who do die from coronavirus tend to die several weeks after getting infected), only two countries are doing worse than the UK. Its 14-day cumulative number of deaths is running at 1.4 per 100,000. The only countries doing worse are Sweden and Romania, both on 1.6 per 100,000.
Based on death data in Wikipedia (it’s apparently referenced to reliable sources), my calculations show the figures given for the UK and Romania are just about correct (population 67.8m and 19.2m respectively). However, for Sweden (population 10.1m) I calculate a rate per 100,000 of 0.45, not 1.6. Anyone care to verify if my calculations are correct, or if the source data is incorrect – it’s based on 45 deaths for Sweden over the last 14 days. Perhaps this is yet another attempt to show Sweden in a bad light?
Sweden and HCQ are not allowed to succeed at any cost.
Otherwise, the whole case for lockdowns, vaccines etc. breaks down and the biggest mistake and crime committed ever by global governments, the media and ‘scientists’ in peace times would become obvious and prosecuted.
It will become obvious. Prosecutions will take a bit longer I’m afraid.
It’s all out against Sweden, and the EU, UK govt, British and European MSM will do and say anything to put Sweden in the worst possible light. The truth will out in the end.
jUst had a discussion with someone called worried1 on the Daily Fail comments who tried to tell everyone my comment about Whitty saying lockdown was unnecessary was outright wrong – their nom de plume says it all really.
My last reply:
“Positive test means nothing, it only means the test has picked up viral material in the sample. You do not have the illness nor are ill. Research it yourself, the information about PCR tests is freely available on the internet, not on sites like this, BBC, Sky, ITV etc. The test has a false positive rate of about 5 %, the actual UK positive rate is currently between 0.33-0.5% so it is possible that no-one has actually had a real positive test result. Again, research it and become a free thinking person, not a sheeple regurgitating propaganda nonsense.”
I expect them to shut now or go mental but think it’s a paid troll or 77th.
NICE ONE!
I keep saying to people: “Do you feel ill?”
“No.”
“Then you’re not ill. Why, suddenly, does someone telling you you are make you think you are?”
Simply : Covid is a political, not a viral infection.
Yes. Those who are badly infected may be beyond help. Others with milder infections may eventually be curable with sufficient exposure to facts, combined with tempting them with the resumption of sex, drugs and rock’n’roll.
YAY!
Should have been brought to a close three weeks after initial lockdown, 23rd March, but here we are thanks to johnson! four months on and no end in sight. (Sorry July).
Or at latest on 1 June, when the LSE Centre for Economic Performance (Gus ODonnell et al) calculated that the costs of lockdown, in quality life years, outweighed the benefits (Occasional Paper 49).
It would appear that they have shut down the website. The USA is in for hard times. https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/
This is just unbelievable. Still, I think the horse has well and truly bolted. This video is going to be shown all over the place.
Suspending DJT Jr’s account should help it spread.
The amount of vitriol and personal diffamation against the doctors is horrendous and most disgusting.
The narrative of the ‘fact checkers’ is just adapted by the MSM, despite the many stories published now debunking the 3 negative, misdirected or even faked trials, while the many positives and even Yale Prof. Risch’s endorsement of the doctors narrative in yesterday’s Newsweek magazine are completely ignored.
Comments as such by me in forums at the MSM were censored.
This is now not just involuntary manslaughter anymore, but premeditated mass murder by the MSM and the governments ‘scientists’.
Oh my god!!!!
Squarespace have cancelled them!
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.com.ipaddress.com/
not sure if this is the one –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI
Stella Immanuel !
If you believe the nonsense the danger will always be there because immunity doesn’t last, the vaccine won’t be 100% effective and will need booting every year, and even people who show no signs of being ill can spread it. It’s the perfect disease with which to control people through fear. They’ll just shift what defines a case, or wave, to suit them – they are already doing that.
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
We better stop, hey, what’s that sound
Everybody look what’s going down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/please-tell-me-i-m-wrong
Not waving but drowning in lock-down nonsense.
TS Eliot?
Stevie Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
She had a bit of a death theme to her work so what she would have made of Covid we can only guess?
… but Eliot would have recognised the Waste Land and the Hollow Men.
Patient: Doctor when will this pandemic end?
Doctor: How could I know? I am not a politician
You have to be a bit dim not to suss that the ‘fiction extensions’ like ‘Second Wave’, ‘Local Spikes’, ‘Foreign Travel Quarantine’ etc.etc. are just an extension to the original big lie about a pretty ordinary infection.
Spot on Rick.
DavidC
There will always be ‘a wave’. The virus is now in the system regardless of how many or how few are affected. It’s a virus! Each year the politicians will say ‘Coronavirus’ or ‘Covid’ and the cowering masses will cower once again. despite the fact the coronaviruses have been around for donkeys’ years.
DavidC
Apologies if this has already been posted but this is a must-watch talk. Quite long but every minute worthwhile:-
https://youtu.be/6RDffMCAujg
This is quite, quite brilliant. The whole thing is worth watching, but if you don’t want to, the last 5 or so minutes is very powerful.
Italian Catholic Association to Bring Criminal Proceedings Against the World Health Organization
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/4979-italian-catholic-association-to-bring-criminal-proceedings-against-the-world-health-organization
Good for them!
Yeah.
Brilliant ! I saw this in Lewes this afternoon – highly encouraging !
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/024035699373/media/1673487085240474/medium/1595961697/enhance
(The scruffy label below it is one of mine. But now I shall print, laminate, and fly-post this poster wherever I can.
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Nice One!
Fabulous – who is producing these and where can we get them?
Those were my reactions too !
Not got a clue, so will be using the photo.
Might we be able to send this to Simon Dolan and/or Toby? Surely one of them could arrange production of a poster like this that we could buy and put up…
Have sent to Toby.
and to Simon.
The shit will hit the fan as the unemployment rate and bankruptcies soar. October will be the bare minimum as that’s when the furlough scheme ends but it could start earlier as the retail and hospitality sectors are hammered further.
I get the feeling that the backlash is already beginning – the mandatory muzzling has not exactly gotten people out and about and crucially spending money. Sunak’s Eat Out to Help Out I think will be another massive failure.
https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1288172798129713155/photo/1
The end result of the pandemic in Sweden (so far). Data you cannot cheat. Total death and comparing 2020 week-1-28 with mean value 2015-2019 week 1-28 comparing age group.In the working age and school age(under 65) you cannot notice the pandemic. In fact deaths in this age group is lower. This is proof that this is a geriatric pandemic and should have had targeted actions. Can you imagine a more destructive way than locking down a country, shutting schools, stopping people working , locked in their homes instead of innovating ideas of protecting the elderly instead?There is another amazing thing but more preliminary (week 27-29) same as above comparing 2015-2019
https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1287998077404680193/photo/1
“During week 27 through 29 Sweden have seen ca 260 fewer deaths than the average number of deaths year 2015-2019. Also worth mentioning again, ALL age groups below average during these weeks!”
This is data from the end of pandemic. Interesting to see the whole year data. If this trend continues it could mean that the elderly in the pandemic would have died anyhow a few months later just what Prof Giesecke said from the beginning.Sweden death statistics is probably one of the most reliable in the world. In Sweden this was a geriatric pandemic and most likely in other countries at least in Europe.
As someone resident in Sweden I can confirm that their death stats are likely to be very accurate. Swedes are sticklers when it comes to bureaucracy! Also due to the ‘personal number’ system, people’s ages at death will be correct.
The excellent Anna Brees has been posting short videos about CV made by viewers of her channel. This one is exceptionally good, but they are all worth watching for encouragement and feelings of solidarity. I do believe scepticism is rapidly on the rise; maybe the bad guys won’t prevail.
They will keep pushing as far as they can until people stand up and push back.
Newton’s Law. They’d better watch out!
Anna is also doing work for the Keep Britain Free group.
wow that was a powerful heart felt speech by that guy! Worth a 7 minute listen.
I watched all of the video (nearly 3 hours, I made chutney at the same time) of the press conference with America’s Frontline Doctors (and I too discovered the site has been taken down). It is well worth watching. I shared it on my Facebook page and am just waiting for my eldest son (bless him…) to jump in with some opposing comments. Later I googled something about the video and came across a BBC website page where it said they “claimed to be doctors”!! I can’t find it now….
I googled the UCLA one to check and he is definetely legit.
The defamation, in particular of Dr. Emmanuel, is disgusting but was sadly to be expected.
But she/they said nothing different than what Yale’s Prof. Risch stated a day before in his Newsweek article!
And they didn’t dare yet to suspend him or Newsweek….
Pick the only non-lockdown country in South America in this chart
https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1287848573183447040/photo/1
I really wish someone in the MSM, ideally on TV, would take material such as this and plonk it down in front of the likes of Hancock, Johnson and those bloody “experts” and say “How do you explain that”, followed by “and how do you explain Sweden”. What’s the chances of that happening? Zero?
Hancock and Johnson know already.
What’s needed is for the MSM to present this sort of information non-stop to the public, instead of the fear porn propaganda.
We know they know because of the unceasing propaganda about how wrong Sweden’s approach has been…
Interesting illustration of asymptomatic cases going up in Germany (a country that might soon be on the quarantined list of the UK).How stupid of Spain to include serology positive results in their total number of cases.
https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1288086381777039367/photo/1
I am finding that the worst aspect of this insanity is not government actions, but relatively sane people who don’t much believe the propaganda, complying with the diktats on the basis that they ‘Don’t want to make people feel uncomfortable’.
Of such compliance is fascism made.
There’s another group who are in the ‘don’t worry about what you can’t change’ camp.
Yes those are the ones around me by and large. Not particularly bothered by anything because they are financially comfortable.
I know a lot of people in that camp. Relatives and good friends. These are the people who are most likely to see genuine fury.
They seem to actively like outsourcing their opinions/thinking to the main stream media to decide for them. Kidults instead of adults, does make me wonder HOW these folk hold down jobs, have relationships, decide financial decisions etc. Very very depressing.
See the film about masks making people stupid!
Should be more a case of push the envelope a bit. It’s the only way to get ANY semblance of normality back. I don’t think it helps that this mask thing is actually law…
Guilty. In late March and April I made a point of giving people a lot of space, not because I gave a damn, but because I wanted to make people feel comfortable. I followed the “rules” because those were the rules. Not because I thought they were useful, just out of politeness. I started ignoring social distancing and letting it be everyone else’s problem a couple of months ago and then started plainly breaking the actual rules/guidelines not long after that. Masks were the last straw. Screw you. I defy you to fine me.
Agreed, it’s very disconcerting.
My First post although have been looking at the site for some time
Thought my mask-less shop visits may be of interest
Local News/grocery shop no mask challenge muzzles 50%.
Morrisons and M & S no challenges but 95% muzzles.
Small local garden centre had a sign pointing out government orders and offering masks for sale if you did not have one. Finished by stating no mask no entry! Went in anyway and no challenge.
Tesco today but no challenge again 95% muzzled.
Boyes department store challenged by a rather large lady asking if I had a mask – replied that I was exempt – OK.
Pets at home was big disappointment. Young female assistant asked if I had a mask. Thought about pointing out risk she was taking under the equality act but just showed her my exempt pass.
Generally no major challenges but sad % of muzzles. How will we stop this stupidity!
Happy to report that in the local chippy takeaway in a Northern town where we are staying it was 95% unmasked in apparent defiance of the law.
People up north sound very sensible…
I like to think I am. Care to say where, OKUK?
thanks, we are…
You are…
Went to the Post Office today-not quite Up North but certainly not Down South-and the person in front of me had a face, as did the girl behind the counter. As I was leaving I thanked somebody who stood to one side at the door……they had a face as well.
Faces rule!
Returning to the
Snappy Slogans theme: “Masked now, shackled later. “
Or ‘Masked now, chipped later’
The Frontline Doctors are the best.
At nearly every breakthrough point in history, medical orthodoxy has been wrong.
I am not a scientist and cannot devote the time to follow all of the arguments for and against the various paraphernalia associated with this crisis.
But, the fact that orthodoxy wants to silence these guys tells me that they must be right!
It’s one of the lessons of most periods of history.
All truth goes through 3 stages…
and
Science advances funeral by funeral…
I sometimes wear this, sometimes a different one and sometimes just a badge, you know for the larf.
Works for me.
Great t-shirt!
Where did you get that Tee-shirt, if I may ask. Think I want one!!
Without offering up her own grotty self Sturgeon pleads for volunteers to take the oxford vaccine. So a politician marketing for private enterprise – that alone tastes unpleasant.
Some clever wags below suggested scotland has no corona but evidently there’s enough invisble death out there for a robust testing of the vaccine. Get them the results they need of an effective vaccine.
What an absolute heap of **** this truly is. Marketing requires each country to offer up its’ champions so we all feel warm and fuzzy about the vicious untested chemicals they want to slam into us. Sturgeon is as evil as the rest.
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Nicola Sturgeon said: “You have heard us talk before about how we’ve all got a part to play in tackling this virus and that’s very true…
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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/nicola-sturgeon-pleads-scotland-sign-18675605
I may very well have the vaccine.
Two years down the line. If all of them have it first.
(I bet you, once it rolls out, it will be very hard to discover how many of our dear leaders have had it themselves. Not many, I’ll wager. Boris will probably be lamb to the slaughter because he’s already had it, forced out to get pricked in front of the cameras to set ab example)
There is no way any politician will be jabbed with the same stuff they inflict on us. Wouldn’t put it past them to pretend to, but what’s in their syringe will merely be a placebo to try and fool the masses…
I’m for the execution scene from flash gordon. Each politician in a covid pub-pod greenhouse for a publuc televised vaccination.
The only glitch in my fantasy is the very point carrie points out.
It’ll be a bit like when John Gummer (?) made his daughter eat a burger on camera, during the BSE ‘scare’…
Yes that, or the Iranian embassy hostage seige!
John Selwyn Gummer. NB the Selwyn was only added after he attended Selwyn College Cambridge.
I knew his son a bit. Oiliest little tick I’ve ever met in my life. CJD would have been a good excuse, but he wasn’t the one fed a burger.
Agree.
The only way to ensure this, and we should insist, is a group vaccination with one politician/oligarch attending at the same time, and the syringes being allocated randomly, with the politician/oligarch’s being swapped randomly again against a randomly chosen person’s 5 seconds before its adminstration.
They’d all be placebos.
A placebo would be good enough for everyone, if I were in the vaccine industry right now I’d release a covid placebo vaccine immediately (real ingredients sterile water, but priced up a lot). I’m all for vaccinating covid, but the vacine can;t be ready, if it can ever be developed, anything like fast enough. And it isn’t really so necessary either, for most people this is a mild virus. A placebo vaccine would be so easy to sell, sure not to have any risk of side effects (not that vaccines often do anyway), and most vitally of all would give the cowering coronanists confidence to get back to work and life. Win-win I’d say. Big-pharma, please do this immediately, we won’t give away the secret its a placebo, we won’t complain about the profits you make from selling the cheapest harmless ingredient you can find.
Why, though? Personally, I don’t feel in the slightest threatened by the disease (and I’m in the age range where risks start to go up, admittedly not yet in the highest risk ages).
I wouldn’t see any reason to take it even if it were nailed on safe. The only plausible reason would be to gain the advantages of compliance and conformity – eg knuckle under to their manipulation, and I’ll be damned if I’ll do that lightly.
Yeah, to be honest, you’re right! I might still have it though if I didn’t have to put myself out, at all, because…. why not?
Of course booking a doctor’s appointment and asking for it *would be putting myself out so……. yeah not gonna happen.
Basically unless they turn up at my house or workplace with a free shot I wouldn’t bother —- and if they did that, I’d be worried lol
They will find a way Mark, are you paid or licenced by the state ? Is your employer on an approved list to bid for state contracts ? Need planning permission to improve your home ? Are you in receipt of a state pension ? Is your child being educated by the state? Expecting medical treatment anytime soon?
Well I’m no pushover, but I’m not a martyr either, so doubtless they will find a way to pressure me into it if they are sufficiently determined. It’ll cost them, though…..
I’ll be leaving this world if I’m given no option but to be stuck with a syringe. I basically have nothing to live for anyway so dying for something will be a great way to say goodbye and leave this earth with my chin up.
This really shows how thick she is. By gobbing out such utter tosh, she’s inviting all and sundry to ask the question about when she’ll be volunteering herself. I wonder what her answer will be (I note there are no comments at the moment on that article).
Just done a big shop at Morrisons.
As we entered the store a bloke wearing hivis was leaving sans mask, but with shopping, gave us hope.
Should not have done every other shopper & member of staff. with the exception of checkout operators who are behind perspex was masked.
MSM have done a top job convincing the weak of thought that they must be masked, I was genuinely thinking we would see some knowing smiles, not a bit of it.
Sad.
I did not say anything to the checkout operator who served us as the look of disgust on her face when we arrived at the checkout said everything we needed to know. Our shopping was lobbed down the conveyor belt.
Just as we walked out of the store a couple of PCs arrived, one masked on not. Choice is a wonderful thing.
Just seen on Twitter that Walmart is no longer imposing masks – don’t they own Asda in the UK?
I believe they do
Walmart are trying to sell ASDA at the moment, they will not want a drop in sales.
Used to. Saisbury’s do now.
I thought the Sainsburys ASDA merger was blocked by the competition & Mergers authority, that is why Walmart got ASDA a few years ago?
Thanks.
Negotiations collapsed in April apparently. (Google is a useful tool!)
jeepers I was hoping to face morrisons tomorrow.
Go for it, no one said anything to us, no sly comments nothing.
Just really sad to see so many people with faces covered & I suspect some have conditions which would allow them to go bare faced, without any problem. One woman we followed down an isle was breathing so heavy I though she was going to collapse in front of us.
The people forcing this on the population are evil.
My exact words were going to be go for it too! Take no prisiners anon – this is your world as much as anyones.
Our Morrison’s today was about 50/50 masks/no masks which was very surprising as it was about 95% masked at the weekend.
Maybe the sheeple are discovering that mask-wearing (aka virtue-signalling) is not so easy and comfortable as they had thought, and that having seen some people unmasked, they are now daring to test not wearing masks themselves?
We can but hope…
Yes. Keep being shining examples. It’s a vital public service!
I agree. It’s the single most useful thing we can all do at the moment., Just be seen not wearing masks, preferably without displaying or even carrying a permit authorising us to do so. Let them wonder.
Absolutely. Not claiming exemption unless absolutely necessary, and even then not providing any proof. The legislation says nothing about providing proof, I believe.
In other words, acting normally. And being polite and friendly with it if anyone asks.
Agreed, I have a mask exempt card/lanyard but have not produced it since Friday.
it’s your “civic duty” as matt wankcock would say!!
Will you please stop insulting wankers?
I would also be fine with special hours for the non-masked, why not go along that route.
This way we can shop hassle free and enjoyable, and the bedwetters can shop scared and amongst themselves.
And the supermarkets get the custom of both groups.
What’s not to like?!
I like it but it wouldn’t back the government’s tenuous reasons for muzzling us in shops.
It could provide hard evidence that face rags have no effect, but that would mean testing nappied versus non-nappied shoppers, which presumably the latter woukd not like.
Yes, I could go with that – short term, pending the abandoning of the whole shooting match asap.
yes i thought this also – they have hours for the vulnerable and why not have a time say after 7pm when those who choose to be maskless can go in without being target of covert nasty looks. I still haven’t been to the supermarket and have this to look forward to – been putting it off but will have to go soon!
The supermarkets are no problem, their staff being better briefed about Disability Discrimination, you don’t need to claim disability and they won’t ask.
In fact, this is a brilliant idea!
Would this not just put non-mask-wearers into a ‘disability’ box? Might make it harder to convert others to our cause…
http://laworfiction.com/2020/06/fast-passes-and-discounts-for-the-brave/. This could even be taken further and have lower prices given you can have more customers through the doors, if only some places would have the guts to do it!
Brilliant! Still single one shopping experiences here in the supermarkets. It is great to hear 95% nevermind 50%.
Just seen on Guido that MP Sir Desmond Swayne, who spoke up in the commons against masks, seems to have backtracked: https://order-order.com/2020/07/28/swaynes-face-mask-u-turn/#comments
Good grief is there nobody left in Parliament able to stick to any statement of principle they make? Clearly these people have no principles, but have they not even the kind of basic stubbornness and self respect that would make them willing to at least go down fighting?
(Don’t bother answering that one, Carrie…. I know the answer, it’s just sometimes too depressing to face up to).
Even worse it says they are thinking of encouraging masks in all public places.its pitchfork time
Was it raining outside ? The masks don’t like it.
I was briefly in town today and not in any shops. Outdoor mask wearing seems to have dropped back to about 1 in 20, and quite a lot of them look like virtue signallers. I think most of the public just shove on a mask for the sake of hassle-free shopping but have no strong belief in its benefit.
Posted the other day about a Russian trawler in Faroe islands infected most asymptomatic with Covid-19 and the difficulties to keep isolated from the world (like New Zealand) Today“This comes after six new cases were registered on board Lithuanian cargo ship Cassiopeia. The ship has been docking next to Russian trawler Karelia, which had at least 23 Covid-19 positive crew members, at the Ánirnar port near Klaksvík. The entire Cassiopeia crew, totalling 23 men, were tested, and six tests came out positive. Cassiopeia is due to leave port for South Africa today.”
Does anyone really believe that this virus can be stopped? Where are the virologists saying these obvious things? Are they all muzzled? In the swine flu pandemic 2009 we had Prof John Oxford and Prof Pennington saying sensible things. Where are the new ones or are they scared of their funding? (considering the grip big pharma has over universities)
Isn’t that pretty much exactly what Tegnell’s been saying from the start, and Giesecke and other dissenting epidemiologists. Is it specifically a virologist you are looking for?
They are epidemiologists. It would be good also to have virologists like those above(Oxford) but the new ones are probably to scared to put out their necks
Guptra pretty much said that, Dolores Cahill in Ireland pretty much said it, loads of others have said you’ve got to let it run through the population.
Useful figure to remember Gates Foundation have invested $1Bn in UK Sciences at 2018.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-42822110
NHS Global Citizen is essentially common purposing internationally.
And Gates appears to have Boris in his pocket….
What do we make of this? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/28/exclusive-downing-street-seeks-spokesman-communicate-nation/
Is Boris trying to distance himself from his decisions? How can spending £100,000 on this be justified?
Thats the way of the Whitehouse.
Clarence Mitchell is a name that popped into my head. Would they dare go for ex BBC face?
When I first read about it, it was on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s Twitter feed (she had retweeted it with a comment). The original poster had quoted from the announcement and it sounded like they were looking for a new face – I’m guessing they won’t want anyone with any kind of ‘past’ that would taint them…
The White House spokesperson, Kayleigh McEnany, is always well-prepared and very on the ball – she is impressive!
I dont know, we will see. Mitchell was a gov spokesman employed in part for his trusted bbc credentials I would guess. Audience trust a large part of the role clearly.
I seem to remember he was spokesman for Mohammed Al Fayed and possibly the McCanns?
To me that makes him ‘establishment’ and therefore not to be trusted an inch!
Yes, firmly in pocket, see Victoia Beely’s articles at:
Ukcolumn.org
The while sordud mess neefs exposing, its the only way this hell can be ended
Yes, and look how awful our science is now
8pm. Nipped muzzle-free into corner shop for cash machine and a bottle of wine. Couldn’t see any signs about muzzles.
One customer, male, 40s wore black muzzle. Other customer, female, 30s, no muzzle.
Cashier no muzzle, no perspex screens.
Sanity!
Cornershop magic!
Yes, back them, boycott big nappy-zealot shops.
Annie – your comment made me smile for the first time today. Thank you.
Small black mark for Wetherspoons. New thing today, staff on door asking you to take T and T form. No pressure after that, though, and we dutifully left it blank on the table. Could be cos this was Darwen, and Blackburn council have got the ‘extra measures’ in place.
Which brings me to: we’ve said that ‘they’ mention things, occasionally deny them, then there’s a photo op and then… it happens. Well,
Blackburn: extra measures ‘to avoid local lockdown’
Rochdale: ditto last week
Oldham: ditto announced today
Boris ‘worried about second wave in Europe’
… imminent official UK second wave, anybody?
Same down here in Billericay, Essex, but exactly the same. As long as you take one, they don’t bother you again. I didnt see anyone hand one back.
Yeah, official policy on the website is they won’t hassle you, I just haven’t seen that up to now. Just worried about local councils, with their new ‘powers’. Might start leaning on em.
Don’t think there is a legal obligation to comply
Maybe, although mandatory gloves might be on the way first…
And no doubt drinking your own urine, too. It would make as much sense. I’ve already started, just in case
Noooooooooooooooo!!!
I hope not, but I’m going by the pictures of glove-wearers appearing in the media, as shown on lockdown truth
I don’t think second wave is necessary. The threat of a local lockdown will keep everyone on their toes and do less damage to the economy.
Is Blackburn Labour by any chance?
Only in the same way that the other two are!
Must be a difficult choice for local councillors between further wrecking their local economies or enhancing their own power/ego/pushing people about.
Actually it will be the paid council officials who will have the power and the fun.
Same here in Devon, they did not supply a pen and I don’t carry one, put their form in the little ballot box blank.
Welcome the Director of NIH (Fauci organisation one of the culprits in disastrous lockdown policies)They have at last discovered T cells immunity. Important that they now admit that. Here is Francis Collins take on it
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/07/28/immune-t-cells-may-offer-lasting-protection-against-covid-19/
Thanks. Interesting stuff.
Bertoletti’s team and others are pursuing this intriguing lead to see where it will lead—not only in explaining our varied responses to the virus, but also in designing new treatments and optimized vaccines.
Hmmm!
According to the censored doctors, he and the NIH know since 2005 that HCQ works against coronaviruses.
Yes, I read the 2005 paper In January….Fauci et al are pretending it doesn’t exist
https://twitter.com/bunnehbooboo/status/1288259981288988672/photo/1
Fauci said 2005 the above.Today he says it should not be used in this coronavirus infection.
Fauci is totaly compromised, see Fauci Files on John Solomon’s Just theNews.com website
My care home worker friend reports they are “to have weekly PCR tests until there is a vaccine”. Today has been tesing day.
Workers, residents or both?
Workers.
is that actually legal? when did mamdatory testing become legal???
I do not know. I do know it isn’t okay with me. And I suspect the residents are outside the reach of whatever the legal situation is. It is feeling like coercion – if refused then perhaps there may be consequences. My friend is very timid to question or stand against anything.
it is shocking and as you say, not okay! I feel I should know because I am a social worker…so far there’s been no mention of us having to be forcibly tested, a;though it has crossed my mind but I haven’t ruled it out, and that refusal may mean losing one’s job. If that happens, I will leave my profession without question before I submit to that!
Question was asked what if you refuse? Answer- you can’t work.
Oh God! that is so very wrong on every level! That needs publicising because I am sure??? that it has not been made mandatory…yet!
But wait! There is more! If you cannot go in on your day off to be tested, you cannot work that week.
I’m learning more as I comment here.
Just how the government likes it…..
Yes. And probably exactly how the governmet planned and made it too.
This is the relevant document.
https://www.hps.scot.nhs.uk/web-resources-container/guidance-on-covid-19-pcr-testing-in-care-homes-and-the-management-of-covid-19-pcr-test-positive-residents-and-staff/
I cannot read pdfs.
I’ve has a quick and very scant view of it…it’s for Scotland and it does say “subject to individual’s consent” and relates to both staff and residents…what I know of English legislation is that they cannot force a resident to have what is essentially a medical intervention. Lots of people living in care homes have the capacity to make decisions for themselves just like the rest of us and have the right to refuse and I would imagine it’s the same in Scotland?
Plus, it states it’s guidance and not legislation.
I saw it is guidance. I presume the contract of employment gives provision or else the covid bill scotland makes acceptable to esssential workers. Its still not okay. And something I will slow burn with my friend – they are not close to standing up against this. Thanks for skimming!
It’s difficult when you need to work to pay the bills…another case of the reality of what this is doing to everyone. Perhaps you’re right about the contract of employment but I cannot understand how they would have been able to change it so readily. That said, they seem to be able to do what they like and get away with it these days! I feel so sorry for your friend, they must be so scared…being made to do something against your will is traumatic and to feel you have no choice and are powerless is an awful feeling to live with. We need the Human Rights organisations on this for the good of us all.
My friend is awesome and on the bottom of the most bottom rung. Their world simply doesn’t encompass news and current affairs. There are reasons for this. The employer and the testers should show character in their responsibilty.
Is hair sampling legal in UK for drug use by employers. This seems similar.
Yeah I hear what you’re saying…like the rest of the lunacy, it seems so simply wrong.
But like the rest there is hope. Once the truth is widely discovered.
I wondrr if all care homes are doing the same. It may be a way for the testing number rates to be kept high. I will catch other friends elsewhere in care.
Look at KeepBritainFree.com, Simon Dolan set it up as part of his attempt to take legal action against the government illegal usurpation of our rights. There is a growing community thete, you will be welcome
Wasn’t doctor Immanuel fantastic!
I am sick to death of big pharma running things for their own profit and trampling all over our rights. Do you know, the European Union banned the selling of my favourite food apricot kernels as a food – there is plenty of evidence that they are an excellent, cheap way of preventing cancer (luckily I can still buy them as a “face mask” or “body scrub” – not THAT sort of face mask!). The rumour is that big pharma were worried it would hit their profits and have been trying to discourage its use from the start.
More than a rumour
You can still buy them in the UK if you know where to look
Excuse the ignorance but who is Dr.Immanuel
One of the Americanfrontlinedoctors, whose website has been censored. Video on bitchute/breitbart/possibly even utube.
We eat shed loads of apricots in the summer, and crack the kernels ourselves. Self-sufficiency.
Also, apple pips contain the same stuff. Eat those cores !
It’s Over !!
https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/7/27/lockdownlunacythree
OK, so in 2018 we had 50,000 excess deaths (compared to the previous 5-year average). Not surprising as the flu that year was very bad.
This year we’ve had 65,000 excess deaths. So I might say, “What’s the fuss all been about?”
But they will say, “It would have been far, far higher without the lockdown.”
How do we know that that is untrue?
It’s not really possible to prove something won’t or wouldn’t have happened. However if this was a court case the balance of probabilities suggests that lockdown had little or limited effect.
The Lancet study concluded lickdowns don’t reduce mortality, but government is operating free of evidence
Lockdowns nor lickdowns
“Lockdowns nor lickdowns”
Neither lockdowns nor lickdowns reduce mortality?
I’d go for ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ myself.
The South African Panda group recommend the splatter graph re lockdown efficacy. Is somewhere on this page.
Because globally there is no correlation between locking down and better outcomes, and even though national responses have varied from strict coercive lockdown to basically ignoring the disease (eg Belarus), nowhere has there been the kind of catastrophe involving deaths dramatically larger than bad seasonal death numbers, of the kind predicted by the scaremongers.
A lockdown only prevents a relatively small number of deaths by reducing strain on health services and stopping you overshooting the herd immunity threshold. It’s never going to be the difference between 50k and 500k deaths. The simple reason is that you have to come back out of lockdown at some point and unless Covid has been eradicated (which is practically impossible and it certainly has not been) you will end up at the same equilibrium.
In the UK deaths were already starting to slow down well before three weeks into the lockdown when they “should” have still been growing exponentially if it was the lockdown that was preventing them.
Now that we have come out of the lockdown, cases (by which I mean ratios of positive to total tests, hospitalizations and deaths) are not going up. But other viruses are spreading again showing that this has nothing to do with restrictions or masks.
The behavioural changes in the week before the lockdown probably did lower the herd immunity threshold, but these are things that people are doing anyway and are not a big deal: staying at home when ill, washing hands.
People sometimes talk about chaos and modelling and butterflies and things. Epidemics are predictable and very strongly find their way to herd immunity and a situation with an endemic virus bouncing around at a low level forever. Any other configuration is unstable, like trying to balance a pencil on its point. Look the other way for a second and it’s lying flat on the table.
South Korea, Taiwan, NZ, Iceland, some others probably, are still balancing that teetering pencil. Everywhere else it has either had or is on its way to some kind of soft or hard landing. In the UK it fell off the table long ago and rolled under the fridge.
Y butterfly post the other day was meant to be an illustration of the ridiculousness of the situation. Just as self defence.
Yes didn’t mean to imply any criticism of what you said which was a good analysis. But the point I keep banging on about is this idea that stable things (stuff falling over, water finding its own level, death, taxes, epidemics, even ice ages) can be modelled very well up to a point. Unstable or chaotic things like the weather are much harder. What dodgy models often have in common is opacity and inadequate assessment of error propagation and it’s right to criticise them for that. But sometimes it sounds like people are just losing faith in “modelling” and it’s more subtle than that. I don’t mean you I’m just going on about my own hobby horses here
Look at Sweden, it proves the case for not locking down
Look closer- Netherlands-their “lock down” has really gone under the radar and is proving to be best practice
Romania, still being an authoritarian regime, was able to enforce a hard lockdown and unlocked early. Guess what ? It is now having to lockdown again.
HCQ, Zinc & antibiotic for early stage cases, plus Sweden’s SD for another while, and the ‘pandemic’ is over immediately.
Well THAT’s no good!!!!! End the ‘pandemic’ with no tracking vaccine’Health’ Passport…..impossible!
Also they want to keep this going so Trump can be defeated in November. If Geriatric Joe wins then the crisis will be over by Christmas.
Perhaps something to follow for Hancock?https://www.nknews.org/2020/07/runaway-causes-first-suspected-covid-19-case-in-north-korea-state-media-says/
“However, it’s still unclear whether the “runaway” person really has COVID-19. North Korea’s “anti-epidemic organization” received an “uncertain result” after testing the person’s upper respiratory organs and blood, the KCNA reported. Authorities also put the individual under “strict quarantine.”
Meanwhile, those who may have come into contact with the individual in Kaesong City and those who visited the city within the last five days “are being thoroughly investigated, given medical examination and put under quarantine,” according to the KCNA.
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ordered a lockdown on Kaesong City on July 24, isolating each district within the city from the other. Kim reportedly stated “that everyone needs to face up to the reality of [the] emergency” and designated each major sector with unspecified tasks to help protect against the virus.”
I’ve survived so far, including multiple domestic BA flights without a mask. Two questions from quasi-authorities (staff on a ferry and as I was boarding a flight) ‘I’m exempt’. No one else has ever bothered.
Walk about with a big smile and everyone is happy to see you.
Simple – don’t wear it, smile, be nice and friendly. People miss smiles. If you bring one to them, they might join in.
No one questions me.
Just had a random thought. Dominic Frisby’s song ‘Maybe’ didn’t really stand the test of time did it. Maybe Boris Johnson could be good? Er……
Knowing Dominic, he will write some new verses, like he has done with at least one of his other songs..
Anyone else had a patronising response from a package holiday firm, saying they’re working through their cancellation refunds in date order and will get to yours some time in 2021 (by which time some companies will be insolvent)? It would be fairer if they paid everyone a % now, with more later if they don’t go under, but doubtless that’s far too difficult…
Here’s a draft reply, in case it’s any use to anyone else:
‘Thank you for your response to my request for a cash refund.
You have provided some ingenious reasons for the company’s refusal to provide a cash refund before 2021 but unfortunately these are neither accurate nor persuasive.
I am very aware of the ABTA recommendations as I have already negotiated other cash refunds of deposits/full cost this year. They are however no more than recommendations. The legal position, as I’m sure the company solicitor is aware, is that when a holiday is cancelled the client is entitled to a cash refund within fourteen days. While clearly the company would prefer clients to opt for a CRN (credit note) , and this will be acceptable to many clients, the legal requirement remains that where a cash refund is requested it must be provided.
You also refer to the company’s financial and fiduciary responsibilities. These do not, in any circumstances, permit the company’s officers to ignore the law. This has been amply demonstrated by the fact that many companies, ranging from small concerns to major conglomerates, have made cash refunds to certain of their clients.
I would refer you to the Competition & Markets Authority statement on consumer protection law in relation to cancellations of 30 April 2020 which sets out the legal position very clearly. Most recently on 10 July the CMA has issued an update including an open letter to package holiday providers, which you can find on its website. Most relevant is the statement that:
” Initially when customers are contacted they should be given clear and legally correct information about their options…..these should always include the option of receiving a full cash refund without undue delay and in any event not later than 14 days.”
I am sure the CMA would take a dim view of your flat refusal of a refund until 2021, backed up as it has been with a very inaccurate account of the company’s legal responsibility.
I now look forward to receiving a full refund from you in the near future of the deposits paid.’
Hi Sylvie, I work in travel albeit on the agent rather than operator side. I completely agree with you in respect to the law but it was never legislated with a global shutdown in mind.
The industry is in free fall and failures are imminent but if operators fail, your money will be protected under the ATOL scheme. The larger tour ops such as TUI and Jet2 are fielding a million calls a day and cannot cope . I honestly think they are doing their utmost in an horrific situation. 14 days is simply not feasible given the volume and although they say 2021, in my experience you will receive the refund well before then.
I know it is hugely frustrating but I honestly believe the travel companies are doing their utmost in a horrendous situation.
It might only take one or two similar quarantine declarations from other countries to completely collapse the system. It doesn’t feel so far away already.
I can’t see how any sensible person could now plan a foreign holiday anywhere given that the gumment can do the quarantine thing anywhere
at random.
Greta will be pleased, the proles have been forced out of the skies leaving them to the Jet Set. All part of the plan ?
Yes actually it is all part of the plan. Travel is to be a luxury not a right. Planes are out but rail in. HS2 etc. See mark windows for more on the plan to take travel rights from us.
‘mark windows’?
Mark Windows yes
https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/
Yes, surely part of the plan, but oddly enough it might be the p art that actually provokes the resistance required to bring this .destructive charade (& Executive???) to a welcomed end. People value hol idays over much else, whatever it takes To end the insanity is fine with me
Won’t they just push us towards the covipass – ‘just have the vaccine and you can travel’…?
Good point, yes you can travel without the threat of ten days solitary.
I agree and the failures will come thick and fast now but if package holiday, money is protected. Sadly it is a case of size of business vs. capability to cope. We work mainly with smaller specialist operators and all clients refunded without delay. We are still waiting for refunds from larger companies dating back to March and I have repaid clients out of my own pocket to stop the abusive phone calls and emails.
You said it so well, a horrendous situation. The money may be protected but the industry is exposed – as huge as it is. Good wishes to you to make it through.
You will get the money pretty quickly I would imagine! Everyone should demand the cash alternative. You are right, many will not survive into 2021, so the credit note is worthless
The credit note is financially protected by the CAA if a package holiday was bought. If the company goes under, the Govt pay.
Our response from Blue Air (Romanian airline) for a cash refund for cancelled flights was “we’ll process your refund when the pandemic is over”. I don’t think so! I put in a section 75 claim to my credit card provider (you may need to download a form to do this) and, no exaggeration, a temporary refund was credited to my account the following day. They have since asked for further info, but it’s only stuff like flight details and passenger names, and copies of emails from the merchant.
Thanks all, and Tenchy for this alternative suggestion. It’s a bit of a sore point, I holiday with a friend who became very seriously ill with a mystery disease a couple of months ago (couldn’t swallow, weakened arm, leg muscles). Although now out of hospital we’ll probably never fly/ travel abroad together again, trying to get our money back, as firms have now cancelled everything anyway.
It was the credit card companies that put Flybe down, just as well really as they would never have survived this.
“Masks do more harm than good”.
That’s the kind of simple slogan needed to counter the moral blackmail of “Wear a mask to protect others”.
The statement can be expanded: A mask may damage the wearer’s health by inhibiting breathing and concentrating contaminants (including the Covid-19 virus in the unlikely event that the wearer is infected). After a short period of use a contaminated mask should be properly cleaned (if cloth) or disposed of as clinical waste, otherwise it constitutes a health hazard. Such hazards are evident given the careless way in which most of the public use and dispose of masks. Plastic waste is enough of a problem already and masks add to it. Masks inhibit verbal and visual communication between people, and widespread use results in a dystopian atmosphere leading to psychological and social problems. Masks as generally used are unlikely to prevent transmission of infection, and are not necessary as very few people are infected.
But most of us on this site know all this already! The challenge is to persuade others.
We have a big challenge: https://order-order.com/2020/07/28/brits-believe-coronavirus-death-is-100-times-larger-than-it-really-is/#comments
The MSM and government have succeeded in their aim of increasing people’s sense of personal threat, if it is true that Brits believe this: ‘on average the British public believe a whopping 7% of the UK population has died from Coronavirus, a number 100 times higher than the recorded-death reality. Brits also believe that 22% of the country has had coronavirus, when the real surveyed number is four times less – between 5 and 6%. Brits are also the most fearful of a second wave of infections of any country polled, with more than three-quarters (76%) expecting one in the next year or so…’
These beliefs are so obviously wrong and easily disproved. But you’re right to point out that if these kind of beliefs are prevalent, the slightly more subtle arguments in my post will be difficult to get across.
When I’m having The Conversation with someone they invariably come up with “I think there will be…/when do you think the second wave will come ?”
This is easily countered and often leads to a constructive discussion, I think they are fed up to the back teeth with the lies from bbc but their only other avenue for information is the groupthink social media bubble.
I find this willingness to listen to be especially true for ‘working class’ twentysomethings, older folks just want to Do The Right Thing, more educated ones are too far up their own arses to listen to a contrary opinion.
‘Second wave’ has become a mantra, bleated without thought like ‘Four legs good, two legs bad’.
Theres no hope with thise sort of belief systems!
“Masks do more harm than good”. I think this is excellent, and if challenged by another shopper one can say this, or a variant of it, without being at all aggressive. I think the thing is to be friendly and rational, making a proper discussion possible. Bear in mind that others may well be listening even if one’s questioner isn’t really listening. Also you don’t have to persuade them on the spot, just give them things to think about.
Wearing a mask is unpleasant, and so I suspect that a lot of people will be happy to listen as long as one sounds sensible. Someone on here said that there number of maskless people had decreased in one shop. That’s all we need – some movement and others will follow.
Late night reflection on the horror of masks
Does anyone remember a film from 1970s “Johnny Got His Gun”? Poor Johnny had to wear a mask, because his face was completely destroyed by an artillery shell during WW1. I watched the film in the cinema with my sister, and we sat through the whole film terrified that the mask was going to be lifted at some point, to reveal unimaginable horrors. It never was lifted – but the memory of those (imagined) horrors stayed with me, and it probably contributed in some way to my intense dislike of masks…
I tried to attach a photo from the film – not sure if it worked. hope I haven’t frightened anyone…
Likewise Phantom of the Opera. The 1925 silent film with Lon Chaney is by far the best version, and the unmasking scene is still scary if you can mentally put yourself into the position of a 1920s viewer.
Exactly – this is one of the cultural associations we have – horror of disfigurement behind the mask.
My mum tried to stop me watching that aged about 10, wish she had, gave me nightmares for weeks.
Were you 10 in 1925?
No, the beeb repeated it in 1967 when everything was still black and white.
Oh, yes, I had nightmares as well – it was very difficult to forget. I just can’t understand the fashion for masks – don’t the younger generations have the same cultural references?
Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Halloween both spring to mind – both quite long running franchises, iirc.
I saw a school with a HORRIBLE huge banner strung up around the fence. Cartoon kids playing and flying a banner staying keep 2 meters apart or something.
One female cartoon child stood out, she was wearing a mask and had a particularly “on guard” expression in here eyes, the eyes looked keen and vigilant, looking to the side. A role model leader child it said to me. It really was quite disturbing. This was 3 weeks ago.
Photo ?
Glad you mentioned Phantom. I’ve just heard that the London show is to close after 30 years:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/28/phantom-opera-end-west-end-shows-30-years/
Quote:
Mr Mackintosh [the producer] wrote of the “artistic and commercial bankruptcy of trying to apply social distancing to indoor mainstream threatre” [sic].
He added: “Even the most optimistic theatre practitioners among us came to the conclusion that it is a disaster.
“It was all Alice in Wonderland in its ridiculousness: images of distanced patrons dotted around the huge Palladium theatre, members of Public Health England stalking the stalls to check masks covered everyone’s face properly.”
Bloody bastards – PHE England, that is.
Can’t believe PHE did that – so unnecessary.. Seems like a deliberate attempt to stop any theatre even trying to open again…
PHE need to be totally disbanded, they are just bastards.
And do you remember The Elephant Man?
Great film, quite moving
Robert Redfield showed this study the other day as an example that masks work. It is supposed to be HCW in Massachusetts. Don’t have the original study but this twitter thread which is highly critical as you can see and might be biased. Posted this as Redfield CDC is an important figure in the mask recommendation in the US.
https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1288190966621405186
The American Frontline Doctors press conference is just brilliant. Highly recommended if you haven’t seen it.
Still online here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ggiwwTnTwo
Just posted this on Facebook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D7mxB1JQgw. It was instantaneously labelled “False information. Same thing happened when I posted previous Frontline Doctors video last night, but by the morning it was on Bit Chute, and invulnerable. I’m fairly sceptical about the existence of a “new virus”, but people have been dying from respiratory diseases, among other things, and if Hydroxychloroquine is a cure for these it will perhaps be possible to dispel the insane fear and put paid to nonsense like masks and anti-social distancing.
Time for moving over to Parler.com, it was set up to ensure freespeech
You can’t read it without joining it. Why?
Yes, annoying that…
I’m guessing it must be to protect their free speech policies – means anybody who views their stuff directly has to have signed up to their terms of service and can be argued to have consented to the consequences of their policies.
Hmm…not convinced by that. It’s based in the USA and will be protected by First Amendment rights. Anyway they could just have an “I agree” box to cover the issue you raise. They don’t need to make you hand over all your key personal data.
Firs Amendment doesn’t protect you from the digital mob, and the latter’s reach extends into the internet’s corporate structures these days. Look what happens to openly “racist” sites such as Stormfront.
They are losing out massively on expansion possibilities by hiding their stuff away, so I can’t believe it’s for a simple commercial reason such as making more people sign up. They must be losing many many more customers by that policy than they could ever gain.
That’s confusing decisions of private companies with First Amendment rights.
No, it’s doing the opposite to that – pointing out that the First Amendment is of little use in this regard.
The full conference is extremely informative, nearly 3 hours, possibly the best 3 hours I have spent sin ce the destruction began in March: its in the Menu under ‘Summit’:
AmericasFrontlineDoctors.com
Agree…it’s defo worth the watch!!
It’s saying “Website Expired”.
Observations from Sainsbury’s this morning:
On my Friday and Saturday shifts, I was one of only two workers not wearing a mask. And by that I don’t mean just wearing it under my chin, I mean not wearing it at all.
In the shop today, a couple of my colleagues asked me “Where’s your mask?”
I replied, “I’m not wearing one.”
Later on, both the workers who asked me that had dispensed with theirs completely and so had at least three others. To go from two unmasked on Saturday to six unmasked today is pretty good going, if you ask me. It looks like leading by example is the way to go.
We were also approached by a regular customer who moaned about the stupidity of the rule and the discomfort caused by his mask, so several of us encouraged him to take his mask off and, sure enough, he did and he was a lot happier for it.
Sadly, I couldn’t help noticing that about 98% of customers were still masked, and that it was weirdly quiet this morning. It’s too early to say for certain, but people may already be forsaking the High Street in order to do all their shopping online.
Out of interest, which branch of Sainsbury’s was it?
If you don’t mind, I’d rather not post that publicly. Not surprisingly, I’m posting under a nom de plume, but all the same I don’t think I’d be wise to post too many details where anyone can see them. It’s a small-ish store in Greater London, I’ll say as much as that.
Good to get the inside word from stores.
Thanks for the info Ben.
Only a 77th would ask that.
Good for you! One bedwetter at a time…
Sainsbury’s head of security having a quiet word with his pals in MI5, someone needs a wet job before Sainsbury’s goes under.
Well done you.
Thought: if people are forsaking supermarkets, what hope is there for ‘non-essential’ shops?
Great video by Fiona from Dorset:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aERWHJkOvBE
Wow, what a fantastic speech – so articulate! Good video to share, because she is a ‘normal’ person, saying it like it is…
I think the various different videos will appeal to different people. Robin the IT Consultant from Bristol has interesting things to say.
Good that there is a variety – we can send our friends videos made by the people who they might most easily identify with.
Salty Cracker
on YouTube has a couple of on topic videos today. Very sweary NSFW but very very funny. (Sorry I don’t know how to do links from an Android).
In a way this is like a LARP (Live Action Role Playing) for people who never managed to get involved in a cult.
I get this sinking feeling that the increase in deaths that will start to appear maybe August time will be associated as Covid. Then the real kick up into winter = Covid. It becomes the gift that keeps on giving.
Only riots in the streets, mass sacking of cabinet members and turmoil, or maybe Trump getting relected may stop it.
A post on Off Guardian commenting on the similar timing of Mexico and UK governments’ highlighting of obesity as a Covid risk-factor:
Skeptic
Jul 28, 2020 5:18 PM
As a Mexican living in the UK I was stroke by the synchronicity with which both countries started their fight against obesity and crappy food. As a conspiracy theorist, I immediately sensed that there was something else going on. Someone clearly pushed the button.
Last week the Mexican covid boss declared that the growing number of deaths had nothing to do with his ineptitude or the sorry state of Mexican public health institutions, but with the rates of obesity and diabetes of the Mexican population (which are of course very high and a reason for concern). He called soft drinks poison and brilliantly switched the attention to the poor, who are left without clean water sources or nutritious foods, and are now also responsible for the government´s failures for their drinks choices.
But the fact is that the Mexican official, a John Hopkins graduate, might have some conflict of interest in his crusade to tax f.e. sugary drinks to “save lives in this and other future pandemics”. He has received millions from the Bloomberg foundation to lobby for these kind of policies.
And what has Bloomberg to gain from taxing sugary drinks? Well, he, as main donor of the John Hopkins Centre, who hosted the plandemic simulation, is very likely on board with Gates in ventures like Amyris, a company that produces both the healthiest sugar known to man and a novel anti-malaria drug; and is now also involved in developing the experimental RNA covid vaccine. Or Ginkgo, a company who “uses genetic engineering to design and print new DNA for a variety of organisms — from plants to bacteria — that can then be used for anything from killing antibiotic-resistant germs to producing artificial sweetener and cheaper perfume.”
I don´t think that knowing this will schock any regular visitor of this site, but my heart aches for those two or three persons who dropped their coca-colas (instead of puking them) and went for a jog after seeing Boris launching his new crusade for a healthy lifestyle.
The future looks indeed bleak with cancerigenous fertilisers, synthetic, lab grown foods and fat, cognitive deficient prime ministers setting the example for healthy habits.
Yes, expect to see similar anti-obesity speeches from other countries over the next few days… we have sussed the modus operandi now..
Gates is into producing fake ‘meat’ as well, isn’t he?
Global isn’t it our national health care. Good to keep a handle on the similarities however. They will increase.
Looks like he is…
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/23/bill-gates-and-richard-branson-bet-on-lab-grown-meat-startup.html
Is there no limit to the concerns of multi-billionaires for the welfare of humanity?
Fake breast milk too. Milq by name.
Whaaat? Fake breast milk? Did not know about that..
Just googled and found this: :https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8439159/Artificial-breast-milk-start-gets-3-5-million-Bill-Gates-founded-investment-fund.html
Seems Bezos and Zuckerberg, and Richard Branson are part of it too…what a surprise (not)…
‘US firm BIOMILQ is working to artificially produce human breast milk from cultured human mammary epithelial cells on a commercially viable scale’ – sounds horrific…
No. Not just another formula.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/more-gates-funded-brave-new-world-science-fake-breast-milk/
That link is the first i could lay my hands on see corbett new world next week about a month ago for a more honest opinion.
Think Branson may be in on it too. Not sure.
At some point Carrie all of this dominating sickness of self interested investments will add up to alarm in many.
It hasn’t so far.
At some point
FrankenMilk
My synthetic meat is sustainable *giggle*
so true
Anybody remember The Twilight Zone movie?
“It’s a good life”
Anthony brings a demented-looking Tazmanian Devil-like character out of the TV into real life and it looks almost real. Then he brings his (false) sister into the cartoon world to have her eaten alive by a cartoon monster and robs his real sister of her mouth. The world he creates is demented in and of itself. He also summons a demonic mutant rabbit out of hat. What’s worse, he has no idea why people would find his ideas of toons frightening.
There is a scary Star Trek episode where the Aliens do that to Captain Kirk and Bones.
Just went to Tesco for the first time since you know what.
Walked past the security guard who is a sensible guy who has been sound throughout this. He didn’t bat an eye. Started going around and a 30 something yo guy passed me and said “I see you’ve no mask” in an unpleasant manner. I laughed at him.
Then I discovered what it’s like to be one of those celebrities that people will look at but not famous enough to approach or mob. Everyone was staring at my face. The single mask-less staff member smiled at me. I exchanged nods with the security guard on the way out.
I got my shopping but why do I have to psyche myself up to go into a supermarket?
Showing your face is a sign of defiance like English bowmen showing their fingers to the French. This must stop.
No it must not, please carry on doing just that. I don’t get aggressive reactions but I’m 6’2 and wear Doc Martens.
Pretty sure LDT was talking about the coronapanic nonsense when he wrote “this must stop”, not his maskless liberty.
Keep going, please keep shopping massless, we need to convince people that it is possible.
Nothing worth doing is easy.
Remember what the English longbowmen achieved and then just carry on. It will stop… just not yet.
This is war.
You are a warrior.
You have courage.
Bravo!
Didn’t you say something a while ago about possible legal action?
There’s no way compulsory muzzles can be said, on any objective terms, to be ‘reasonable and proportionate’, which I thought was the test by which the Statutory Instruments s had to stand or fall.
Surely this is an open goal for anyone who can organise a legal action. Crowdfunding would presumably be no problem.
And The Buffoon is saying they’ll be here for a year, so here is plenty of time to embarrass the government on this.
Popped into my big Sainsbury’s this evening. I’d say the non-mask:mask ratio was about 10:90. I was unmasked and unchallenged.
One thing that made me laugh was a guy entering the store, fully masked and gloved, frantically wiping down the entire trolley with anti-bac spray and blue roll. I actually felt sorry for him. The mental anguish he must be suffering seeing everything as a potential infection source.
Also, most of the staff had masks but they were either worn under their noses or under their chins. It’s all such nonsense!
The fact that the staff were wearing masks under their chins shows that this is not sustainable, to wear a mask for hours on end..
Especially given the not-so-recent comment in The Lancet, aptly titled “Exaggerated risk of transmission of COVID-19 by fomites:” https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30561-2/fulltext
Was he a foam-at-the-mouth-ite?
I did not know one of my work colleagues is OCD about cleaning, she has managed to get it to a level where she can live day to day life fairly normally, unfortunately cv19 has had a really negative effect on her.
I am sure thousands of people have been affected similarly.
oh i wish it did have this affect on me and i would get the hoover and duster out of hibernation!!
before lock down I did ask the question-can you catch it from toilet seats? That didn’t go down well
Only if you lick them
Lickdown.
Liddown. Lidlock. Aaarrgghh…
There is an old bloke across the road, I have watched him have social distancing chats with his daughters out the window but he hasn’t been out since March. He was out today, coming back from the shops two big carrier bags, gloves, mask. Its a long walk back from the shops and he was still PPE’d up and he looked like he was struggling too.
It is actually pretty funny. If only it wasn’t so evil.
sorry folks I’m going to break ranks on the mask wearing business. I have tried it a couple of times and I appear to have a coordination problem-bumping into things and people- so if you don’t mind I’m going to carry on wearing the mask and cause some mayhem!
play bumper cars with your shopping trolley! oooohhhh so sorry i didn’t see you as my glasses are steamed up!!
might try an antique shop next!
Arrrrrr!
went to Oxfam in Chiswick last week. Had to queue as only 5 customers allowed in the shop. Then advised if someone is looking at the CD section you have to wait until they leave. When to the till. Served by a man(?) with a face mask AND a visor AND behind a perspex screen. May need to go back and record this.
You cannot be too careful in the current situation, I would say he is using the minimum PPE needed, if I were him I would be insisting on a hazmat suit at a minimum, probably with a change of suit every 30 minutes through the day.
Change of suit needed because he soils himself every time he comes face-to-face with a customer? Needs to change his job as well.
We need to protect these frightened people. I suggest a new policy. The coronavirus (protection of the fearful and “responsible”) policy
1 Establish the identities of those who are frightened of this coronavirus by asking a few key questions.
2 Shelter those individuals by relieving them of their employment,and putting them at home on benefits.
3 Replace them in their jobs with people untroubled by any fear of this disease.
It’s compassionate and its pragmatic. What’s not to like?
Wouldn’t euthanasia for your first group be kinder? They obviously can’t cope any longer with Life
Our local organic shop has man barricaded into till position in similar way, including gloves. The more self consciously liberal the more stupidity/fear.
Most charity shops around here are still closed, the elderly ladies who work there presumably still shielding hence your man.
Went into my local Sainsbury’s this evening at about 7.40 to get some wine! Fairly busy for that time of night, everyone, including staff, wearing masks. On the way out I saw two young lads unmasked but that was it! Then I overheard a member of staff saying to a customer she wanted to get a mask with a smile on it! It was very disheartening to be honest. Why are people going along with this? I have to say it is very bizarre to think that a sign of rebellion is going into a supermarket without a mask on! How is it that we can even think it’s courageous when it’s normal? What has happened to this country?
The videos linked to in the article are being removed as fast as people post them. They got 17 millions views in 8 hours before face bloke removed them.
Breitbart have them here
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/
Also full (veeerrry long versions here)
https://www.cryptogon.com/?p=58984
17 million views in just 8 hours is not a bad start, but we need a lot more people to see those videos to make a difference..
Listening to LBC and they are talking to people who have lost jobs during the current situation.
One caller said she applied for a receptionist job, the company told her they had 400 applicants within 40 minutes of the job going online.
The *hit is going to hit the fan, will people wake up once they are unemployed and little chance of finding work?
I am not sure they will.
They will. Or at least enough of them will.
Was on Jeremy Vine Radio 2 today as well people not happy.
Worse than useless.As fascism is unveiled before their eyes nothing but silence.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article?fbclid=IwAR3Foc66W8NK7mGJCC79-UCNQ1oKgZgGPRwF9zjcAA3EYh8dd5sEKWi7p6U
Important article CDC May 2020 showing no effect masks in influenza. But they say it is not the flu?
“ Here, we review the evidence base on the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical personal protective measures and environmental hygiene measures in nonhealthcare settings and discuss their potential inclusion in pandemic plans. Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning.”
It seems to appear that the government is operating a scorched earth policy to the economy.It seems whole sectors are to be destroyed.Aviation,travel and tourism.public transportation the arts spectator sport.etc.I can’t believe they are so stupid to do all this for the sake of this virus which is equivalent to seasonal flu,which despite their pronouncements they know is the truth.
They also are not so stupid to believe they can get away with destroying the economy in this way.
So what is their plan,I cant believe it’s all for a vaccine although this will happen.
I think what we are seeing is a whole new way of living being instituted under cover of this virus worldwide.
The end of freedom as we know it and everything that makes life worth living.
If you are correct, then I give it a year before it all falls apart. The cracks are showing already!
I see what you describe has a lot of substance to it. Scorched earth is a good description of what we are seeing. It is a fight that has been put upon us.
It’s impossible to assign any rationale to the government’s actions.
There is evidence the government was resisting lockdown but caved in to Macron’s threat to close the channel ports and channel tunnel which would have caused chaos and social meltdown. The government then possibly had a sort of nervous breakdown when so many key players went down with virus and the PM came close to death.
Perhaps paranoia set in at that point. As things stand it seems the government is actively seeking to destroy our economy.
Not sure how much substance was in Micron’s threat, if that is what it was. Reported variously as closing the ports, or merely restricting travellers from the UK. A full economic closure would have been a casus belli, so that is probably unlikely.
Edit: Reuters reported it as a restrictive measure against UK travellers to France.
Macron is a leading globalist. I think it was a threat to cargo as well as people.
Maybe but why are we marching in lockstep with other countries in the idiocy of Covid responses.They are not all stupid
Similar panic response, similar need to cover up, mostly, I suspect.
It’s gone beyond panic.There is real vindictiveness behind a lot of the policies now.Leicester lockdown and the return of quarantine with Spain 2 examples.
I suspect any panic over the virus’s direct effects is long gone. Now it’s panic about what will happen if people ever calm down enough to think about what has been done to them….
The latter panic probably a lot more justified than the former ever was.
Got it in one. Plus, for many talentless, squalid little politicians everywhere, the intoxication of unlimited power.
We’re all controlled by the same A-holes behind the curtains.This is manufactured incompetence once again, and no one responsible will be demoted or even held responsible. We’re giving them a mile right out the gate, and what they wind up taking away for good will soon come to light. We must stand and fight or kiss our normal lives goodbye forever.
There is a plan called Lockstep…
The Macron threat iirc was one of the three things that David Starkey suggested triggered the key panic decision, and his argument is still pretty plausible:
https://youtu.be/8S8Js-tEmlg?t=507
But it’s not an excuse for the government, of course. The fact that they allowed such an implausible threat to contribute to their panicking merely affirms their moral and leadership failure.
Maybe once wrecked they will sell out to the Chinese with some very large brown envelopes, three years should be plenty.
These people are not governing in the interests of the British people that is for sure.
I’m sorry but I’m just not convinced by theories of some plot to quash democracy. There has been crass opportunism from scum like Gates and big pharma, and hideous incompetence from many governments, but there just seems to be precious little coordination anywhere. Even the incompetent governments are exhibiting different kinds of incompetence and to different extents. The WHO keeps changing the narrative depending on which way the wind is blowing, which shouldn’t be happening either if there is some globalist plot.
One hundred and forty countries. 140. Yet ‘precious little’ ?!
“precious little coordination”
The few countries that haven’t joined in are vilified. IMF won’t give loans to countries if they don’t enforce a hard lockdown.
Meant for DoesDimSyniad
Democracy? I think I remember my history teacher talking about that…
One unforeseen consequence of lockdown for me personally has been how little of my wages I’ve actually spent over the past four months. As I’m not registered for online banking, I had to go into a bank branch to transfer money. The nearest branch still open is over the border in England. So…
Greeter: Excuse me, Sir, have you got a mask? You should be wearing a mask.
Me: It’s all right thank you, I’ve come to make a deposit, not a withdrawal.
JP Sears is on top form.
Just get on with life and enjoy what we have.
https://youtu.be/lcX9HBG4L34
That’s the odd thing about zombies, the way they call for a perpetual living death.
They can have it.
We will go on living life.
Experiences from the front lines: Day 5 after mask.
At work today, almost none of the staff wearing a mask (except probably the youngest member in the store), for the customers there was maybe 50-60% wearing masks at lunch time and over those most weren’t wearing them correctly (just covering the mouth, not the nose).
Out delivering things are basically back to normal. Very few mask or glove wearers now, little social distancing any more, most people laughing at the silliness such as taking a picture instead of signing. Traffic is terrible now, worse I think than before lockdown, presumably no one is using public transport.
After work filled up the car at about 8.15pm, no one wearing masks at the Shell garage on the way home. Went to the local Asda to pick up some paprika, mask wearing conspicuously absent. Clearly the mask rebels are more active at dusk.
On the whole generally encouraging. I suspect this whole mask thing will slowly die out over the next couple of weeks as people start forgetting or just get fed up. Until the next public health scare I suppose…
Was the rain that did for masks around here, at least on the pavements.
Good to hear, Steve, thank you,
Anyone else feel like they have woken up from a sleep induced coma and are now playing the lead role in the film Idiocracy?
https://youtu.be/l7ICZHPPTtY
Apologies in advance for lowering the average IQ on this thread.
I wish I could wake up and find it was all a dream.
Idiocracy looks like light relief from cv19
The fact that we can draw parallels to this nonsense film is the most frightening aspect to all of this. To say we are ruled by idiots does a disservice to idiots.
I feel the statistics we are supposed to believe in are about as convincing as the computer graphics in that film!
I got a flat tire on the way home yesterday. Today I went to the closest bicycle repair shop to have it repaired and was stunned to see a guy come outside with a spray bottle and squirt some sort of disinfectant liquid all over my bicycle.
That is pretty funny actually.
I thought it was the car-onavirus. How could your bicycle get infected.
You are going to hate me…
It’s ‘tyre’.
Unless you are American, and then ‘tire’ is fine.
I think Richard is indeed across the pond.
I’ve started calling them ‘Masked Potatoes’
Some professional claimed today that obese people are costing the NHS 6 billion pounds a year. How did she arrive at that number?
Diabetes costs about £11 billion. There is a strong link between obesity and diabetes. Obese people are more susceptible to heart disease, cancer, fractures, circulatory issues – and of course Covid19. £6 billion sounds like an underestimate to me.
Yeah you know what costs the NHS more?
Unemployed people.
We will soon have plenty of those.
Do they pay extra taxes to fund the NHS like smokers and drinkers ? There’s the extra food I suppose
With fat people you have to allow for inflation.
Probably using the same mathematical technique that is currently saying we are all going to hell in a hand cart and will be soon dropping like flies when this terrible mystery second wave hits us. Second spike? one is tempted to suggest somewhere that this second ‘spike’ could go or whose head could be put on it.
I imagine they all sit there arguing over which ridiculous hypoerbolic term to use. Team Spike vs. Team Wave
“But…..but a spike is more deadly!”
“But a wave OVERWHELMS!”
Where do the droplets go? Are they laser guided like Cruise missiles?
Depends upon the day of the week, how Boris slept the night before, “The science” and what Billy boy says.
‘I read it in the daily news’ there coming in on the second wave carrying their second spikes, if they do not get you from the front they will get you from behind …… we are all doomed!
This wallowing in gloom reminds me of a rhyme my father in law used to say;
Here we sit in grief and pain
over the road they suffer the same
but next door (ha-ha) they suffer more
doctors video here
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/press/youtube-is-engaged-in-sedition-to-overthrow-the-government/
Youtube Has Removed the Video of the Front Line Doctors calling it FAKE news because it challenges not just the WHO, but Bill Gates, the entire Democratic position against Trump, and the media itself which refuses to allow any contrary view. The freedom of spe4ech does not allow Google, Youtube, CNN, Washington Post to deliberately censor news. This is becoming very abusive and clearly a threat to National Security. I would charge those with sedition and force them to prove that the information in this video is wrong. The latest polls now show that this has been a threat to national security for over 60% of conservatives are afraid to express their true political views. If Russia was doing this, these same media outlets would be demanding war.
It is up to the people to believe or disbelieve this video. This is no different than how the communists controlled the press to create the Communist Revolution in Russia.
The BBC mention the video and say this;
According to the Daily Beast, Dr Immanuel has previously claimed the government is run by “reptilians” and that scientists are developing a vaccine to stop people being religious, among other bizarre views.
That is the best they could come up with? Staggering.
It will only end when the people stop complying
Otherwise it wil go on until we ahve all been vaccinated with Gates experimantal RNA vaccines
Here is Matt Hancock’s academic and post-academic CV:
He has a background in finance, studying philosophy, politics and economics at the University of Oxford before completing a masters in economics from the University of Cambridge. He initially worked as an economist for the Bank of England, before becoming chief of staff to then shadow chancellor, George Osborne. In 2010, Mr Hancock was elected MP for West Suffolk, and since then has worked in several government departments including the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, and the Department of Energy and Climate Change.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people study philosophy without an ounce of wisdom ever rubbing off on them.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
And Hobbes was fond of his Dram.
And René Descartes was a drunken fart:
“I drink, therefore I am.”
Oxford PPE is like Art History, a Mickey Mouse degree for posh thick people.
I bet Hancock has a masters in Economics and yet will never read the Austrian school nor Adam Smith.
I’m taken aback by the fact Handjob did philosophy and economics. Hands down, he has shown the least (almost zero) insight into the government’s narrow-minded focus on health over and above everything else including wellbeing and wealth.
Amazing.
Going from his CV, I really couldn’t think of a better man than Handcock to manage the national fight against a virus.
My thoughts exactly!
DavidC
A masters in economics and everything he advocated and forcefully implemented is against economic principles. Save a Nation.
Headline in todays Graun
“We are entering an era of Pandemics.
Only saving the rainforest can stop it”.
Did these people learn nothing at school ?
They learned how to keep zombies in a state of perpetual terror..
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PS. I’m all for saving trees, Abolishing the Grauniad would save quite a few.
What?? “It’s anewspaper Jim but not as we know it.”
Is it just me, or is it might conveient for the Spanish government that the apparent spikes they’ve seen (probably just increased testing) have been in Catalonia, where the separatists are. Does anyone think it might just be the Spanish government trying to clamp down on local dissent?
Could be – but if so our stupid government’s reaction has caused much Spanish weeping in the government! It is now pretty clear that tests should be reduced to a minimum and the massaging of data should be in the opposite direction.
“Is there anybody listening?
Is there anyone that sees what’s going on?
Read between the lines
Criticize the words they’re selling
Think for yourself and feel the walls
Become sand beneath your feet
Feel the breeze?
Time’s so near you can almost taste the freedom
There’s a warm wind from the south
Hoist the sail and we’ll be gone
By morning this will all seem like a dream
And if I don’t return to sing the song
Maybe just as well
I’ve seen the news and there’s
Not much I can do…alone
Is there anybody listening?
Is there anyone who smiles without a mask?
What’s behind the words-images
They know will please us?
I’ll take what’s real. Bring up the lights…”
Lyrics from Anybody Listening (1990) by Queensryche.
From their”Empire” album. A personal favourite. Good spot Gossamer!
And from their slightly earlier Operation: Mindcrime album, there are also the lyrics to Revolution Calling. Totally relevant!
Half price restaurant meals from next week mon-weds.
I just clicked on a link taking me to a listing of outlets taking part, about 100 within 5 miles.
The list is hosted by
HM.GOV.TAX.SERVICE
Bet they will love all those Track’n’Trace details.
I’m seeing a lot of small shops with signs saying cash only, i hope you’re doing that. All it will take is one card user to test positive in one of them fake test and you’re shut down and you’ll have to isolate for two weeks.
Real foods have a sign up saying no cash – when questioned the mask wearing, glove totin, behind a perspex screen hidin till guy he replied – we prefer cards but accept cash. The sign there only for its own health he implied. Lots of bareface fun to be had in real foods it always did need a kick in the metophrica balls.
There’s no two ways about it that if during WW2 Germany had invaded the UK the Gestapo would have had its work cut out for it. Not chasing down partisans, but rather using all the grassers information it would have been subsumed by. The SS would not have had to have an secret informant network of spies, they would have had too many applicants.
Nah,that generation had fighting spirit and a backbone. If they wanted to try again now however…….
Have you seen the Germany army recently? At least ours looks (and has proved) equal to a challenge.
NHS brainwashing is evidently no respecter of brain size.
The bigger the brain the better it works.
For any still looking for answers, and hope, as I am, the splendid Mr Young provided a link to this interesting article the other day, ‘The Covid Coup’:
‘What history will record as the great COVID scam of 2020 is based on 1) a set of untruths and baseless assertions—often outright lies—about the novel coronavirus and its effects; 2) the production and maintenance of physical fear through a near-monopoly of communications to forestall challenges to the U.S.. ruling class, led by the Democratic Party, 3) defaulted opposition on the part of most Republicans, thus confirming their status as the ruling class’s junior partner. No default has been greater than that of America’s Christian churches—supposedly society’s guardians of truth.’
‘The governors and officials who imposed, maintain, and rationalize the lockdowns are all but one (Ohio’s) Democrats. Their counter-factual assumptions/pretenses/convictions, their misrepresentations, their falsehoods and outright lies, are all about their social class’s effort to secure their privileges against an increasingly recalcitrant general population.’
https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/
And, translated to Europe, the same holds true:
The major protagonists in Europe are China (WHO in their pocket) Merkel, Macron, all of whom are anti Trump. It is they who bounced this country into lockdown.
Where is the opposition in Britain to all of this? There is none. There can be none, because this country is no longer a nation, has not been now for a very long time
I first realised that twenty years or so ago standing in central London as the Battle of Britain flight flew over. Not one person looked up.
Scotland a nation? Real independence movements based on nationhood look like Ukraine, over 90% in favour….not a will we won’t we yes we will no we won’t shilly shallying based on perceived pecuniary advantage…..
Britain is a country divided into separate interest groups. As someone once said of America, ‘America is not a country, it’s a business’. So, now, is Britain. 34% of the national product belongs to a heavily unionised public sector. The state broadcaster is public sector, heavily unionised. Education is state owned, heavily unionised. The health service is state owned, heavily unionised. Why is unionisation important? The clue is in the name: union, united in thought and direction. These are all separate fiefdoms with their own agendas, quite separate from the rest of the country but easily manipulated by central government. We live not in a country but in ‘Big State’
Who can resist big state when the major broadcaster is state owned and its major competitor shares its political stance in a U.S. election year. Who can resist big state in a minor medical emergency when all health professionals are forbidden from briefing on what is actually going on in hospitals across the land? Who can resist big state when education unions prevent schools from re-opening….and so on and so forth….
The only hope may be that the youngest generations can now see, as others before them saw in the 1970s, the perils of monolithic inflexible illiberal and anti democratic blocs with too much influence on the levers of power; the threat of international blocs united in their hatred putting their citizens interests way behind their own petty animosities.
Only the other day, over 40% of Britain’s voters actually voted for Corbynism. This weird period has now given the country a mercifully mild dose of what would have transpired, writ large, had that strange individual actually won an election……
Democratic forces move slowly, but they move inexorably….. Democracy: The least worst form of government…….
Hmm, I think that last bit should read, “Democratic forces are crushed slowly, but they are crushed inexorably….. Democracy: The least likely form of government…….”
Democracy has put us in this position and, after 03 Nov., will get us out of it but whether what follows is any better…….
Democracy: The least etc.
Perhaps there is some hope
Sergiu Kleinerman.Professor of Mathematics,Princeton Univ,one of the most leading mathematicians in the world sticks out his neck about cancel culture
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/cancel-culture-democrat-belongs-in-dustbin-history/
https://quillette.com/2020/07/27/princeton-university-is-one-of-the-least-racist-institutions-in-the-world/
Brilliant!
‘In all this frenzy of name changes, one culprit is conspicuously missing. Up to the 1960s the Democratic Party was the party of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, the Ku Klux Klan, lynching, poll taxes, and literacy tests for voting. The first Confederate Congress was dominated by former Democrats.’
Who knew?
Both links excellent, extremely interesting. Many thanks.
With their first course.
Souperspreaders.
This person chose to become a surgeon in the full knowledge that it involved wearing a surgical mask while operating. It’s no kind of equivalence.
“The enemy of America… is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them…Americans are asking, why do they hate us?… They hate our freedoms – our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.”
(President George Bush, State of the Union Address. 20 September 2001)
Very little evidence that masks make a difference even with surgery. Stay away from doctors! (and DT and BBC …)
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/345/readying-the-nhs-and-social-care-for-the-covid19-peak/
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/335/whole-of-government-response-to-covid19/
He’s probably retired, Doctors and Nurses now have to wear them all the time at work, not just in the operating room.
Looking at the Anna Brees guest videos, I find myself wincing when some of them say things that I know a ‘normal’ person would regard as tinfoil hat conspiracy stuff. But when I do that, it’s really because I’m imagining my own friends and family looking over my shoulder as I watch it.
In my own mind, I am no longer sure what constitutes insane conspiracy stuff. After all, while friends and family would scoff at what is being said, it is they who are literally asking themselves “Am I allowed to go and see Gladys today? What are the current instructions from that nice Mr. Johnson? Will I have to wear a mask and sit in the garden? Will I be allowed to use the toilet?”. It is they who are queuing to go into the local shop, standing on marks on the pavement and sweating under a ‘face covering’, not recognising their friend standing next to them, knowing that if they take their mask off, a policeman may demand their papers and issue a fine. It is they who will not be going to the village concert this year – there may never be one ever again. Their kids will not be going back to school in September, having spent six months without contact with people their own age. They will probably lose their job, soon, and their holiday abroad has been cancelled because of quarantining rules. If they go to the pub, they will have to give their name and address and sit at a pre-booked table so the authorities can track and trace them. There is no indication from the friendly authorities of any time limit or conditions necessary to make it stop. It is openly acknowledged that the authorities are fiddling the figures. Anyone with half a brain can see the omissions and linking together of irrelevant ‘facts’ that create a false narrative. And a computer tycoon is informing them via the media, quite openly, that he is preparing to vaccinate them repeatedly, every year.
And they happily accept this, and regard the person who questions it as crazy!
Crazy eh?
At this point I’m not dismissing anything bar the 5g bollocks. (John incoming….. Luvyababe).
In the interest of my blood pressure I have had to turn off the news and am currently listening to Bob Marley singing about songs of freedom. But anyway we can comfort ourselves that Boris is a fan of Winston Churchill;
We will run like hell from the second wave on the beaches
We will cower with terror before the second spikes
we will sacrifice our old people in the care homes
like craven fools we will quake in our sitting rooms
anyone venturing abroad will have to lock themselves away in misery
we will run a dodgy witch hunting test system
and worry ourselves silly when we find witches in every broom cupboard
we will spend millions on a vaccine
but the virus will probably have mutated by then
I can offer you nothing but abject misery, defeatism and financial penury
and in all this remember the words of my good friend private Fraser
‘WE ARE ALL DOOMED’
What a horrible disappointment BJ has been.
Understatement of the year
Crazy Baldheads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR0fQ6wJb6A
Bed wetters can now check online how busy the shopping centre is before venturing out:
https://www.getreading.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/heres-how-avoid-busiest-shopping-18668766.amp
Just been listening briefly to The Today Programme – the 8:10 interview set up and conducted by Robinson somebody-or-other from the WHO.
The BBC must be stopped. Defunded, shut down.
They needn’t worry, it’s pretty dead and at least a couple of restaurants and Debenhams have closed.
Sorry hit reply to my own post but clicked on yours by accident.
Stop paying for a licence and watching live TV.
Already have, ages ago, on the principle that the BBC was misguided. I now think they are evil. This was radio btw.
BBC has totally lost credibility by using the expression discredited treatment.They can’t even use a more neutral term “controversial treatment”.Reisch article is published in a peer rewied publication.
This is appalling. Is this what society has come to?
https://twitter.com/LeahButlerSmith/status/1288205137492824070
If the world as we know it collapses then this crisis is our sack of Rome (410 AD) moment.
Plus this as well: https://twitter.com/hector_drummond/status/1288228285957242884
I don’t have the words.
Haven’t been shopping unmasked yet, but I will do, probably today. My only real *fear* is that I will headbut someone who challenges me. I hope to smile and say “I’m exempt, thanks”. But…
If it’s any reassurance, I haven’t seen anything remotely like this “in real life” and nor has anybody else here. Like you, though, I do worry that at some point, something is going to nudge me off the knife edge I’ve been living in for the past few weeks and I will completely lose it.
What a despicable woman,I hope that karma exists,shame she doesn’t realise the Chinese made piece of crap she has wrapped around her foul mouth is as much use as a chocolate teapot.
Bloody awful,if I see anyone being abused by bullies like that I will intervene,sod the consequences.
Has anyone yet been fined for contravening the masking law? Does anyone know?
Think there was one, poss in Scotland.
Yes, that case was mentioned on this site a couple of days ago. Enforcement seems to rely on a climate of unpleasantness. It is the law but not as we usually know it
Jim, sorry Sam.Visited Jedburgh abt 3 years ago, while staying in Wark on Tweed. So, if there’s an outbreak, it’s probably my fault. That’s at least as scientific as what we are hearing…
Would add that I don’t know anyof the details but the person fined must have put up a good and meaningful protest to get the fine. They must have tried pretty hard.
If you try to explain that it is all wrong – which of course it is – you are refusing and therefore breaking the (ridiculous) law. “I am exempt” is the way to go.
I wonder if he had committed some other genuine misdemeanour and the book was being thrown at him. E.g. allowing a car engine to idle unnecessarily is against the law but I’ve only once read of it being enforced as one of two or three breaches a motorist had committed.
It was in Jedburgh.
A couple of (un)related things on vaccines. Interesting article on ZeroHedge with comments from Robert Kennedy Jr – not an antivaxxer, but certainly aware of many issues with the current crop of vaccines, vaccine strategy and the BigPharma bandwagon from a legal perspective:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kennedy-jr-warns-parents-about-danger-using-largely-untested-covid-vaccines-kids
Secondly, is it not interesting that we have been signed up to another vaccine, that being developed by GSK-Sanofi. Agreement between GSK and Sanofi for production (and testing in the UK) signed in April. Now, is it being produced at the Barnard Castle site, you know, where people go to test their eyes?
Finally, why aren’t the journos asking about the 10 people testing positive who returned from Spain since early July, and who apparently prompted the panic quarantine measures. Were they Spanish or British nationals, or, indeed, season fruit pickers transferring from northern Catalunya to new sites in the UK? Can the statisticians within Cabinet and the scientific advisers please explain how 10 positive tests of some 12000 positive tests in that period (20 days at around 600 per day) is statistically significant?
Assume points 2 and 3 are related, as indeed is today’s publication from the select committee on government’s handling of care homes!
I asked this just yesterday:
“Boris ‘worried about second wave in Europe’… imminent official UK second wave, anybody?”
(not exactly my own idea)
And here we go:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-53575653
Radio 4 Today all about the Second Wave, how bad it will be and how inevitable. Then an item about something else followed by a second Govt. mouth telling us how it was so essential to keep all their special measures to keep us safe.
You don’t believe it do you? But you watch, in winter there will be people coughing, and and sneezing and and, well I bet it will rain and snow – OMG it’s going to be awful, we will all die, like we just have done…
If the Government was so worried about a 2nd wave why are they no promoting vitamin supplements, zinc, a good diet, fresh air and exercise, less stress, proper sleep and good mental well being?
All these things have a HUGE impact on people ability to fend off seasonal colds.
It’s because big pharma can’t make any money of out these things. Obviously.
Same reason they wanted us to stay indoors over the glorious Easter weekend. Can’t have people building their vitamin D.
But he’s literally just told everyone to go back to work!
I’m so utterly sick of this all by now.
Begging letter from the Conservative party in the post. Sending it back in the prepaid envelope.
Excellent!
Sounds like anybody unlucky enough to recieve a £100 nappy crime fine and refused to pay would have a reasonable defence in court…
ooops…. wrong place
That’s more likely to get their attention!
Very good work !
I’ve been to two branches of Waitrose here and its been OK. It’s a shock that your local one is akin to a Soviet Gulag or Nazi concentration camp.
Very soon, now:
“A few selfish people haven’t been wearing masks, and are responsible for this second wave and the [insert your own totally false scare story here]”
Covids can get in your ears!
Hi, this might have been asked already, but what is the actual legislation about masks and how long is it supposed to last/what exactly has Boris Johnson said about how long they will last/does anyone have a reliable source that states that it contravenes the Nuremberg and Human Rights legislation? Thanks. I’m asking since I speak to lots of people who think it’s not such a big deal and that it’s not going to last, which I disagree with!
laworfiction.com should have some answers about what is actually law and what is just government lies!
Thanks. Just watched this and it’s sparked my interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgPEUIN9abI&t=52s
Sounds like anybody unlucky enough to recieve a £100 nappy crime fine and refused to pay would have a reasonable defence in court…
Its set to last a minimum of 6 months before review, the legislation doesn’t expire for 12 months, and they’ve already demonstrated they can just extend it at their own free will (nice that they still have free will) anyway. It’s here for a very long time.
Thanks. The laworfiction.com site doesn’t seem to be very clear. There’s nothing on human rights.
For the first time since it all started I managed to accidentally catch the BBC news corona broadcast yesterday evening, frightening how much it is imitating the worst visions film makers have had for their dystopian sci-fi nightmares.
Just that huw whats his face grimly reporting: ‘and todays coronavirus new case count is X, with Y numbers of deaths bringing our total dead to Z’
No mention of false positives, no mention of dodgy death counts, no mention of deaths being below average for 5 weeks now, no mention of other diseases far outstripping covid etc. It’s insane how obvious the brainwashing is on this, and it’s no wonder we’re fighting a losing battle, the power of the media & the state is fully focused on pushing this shit.
Yep, it’s incredible that almost NOBODY can see this. Just beyond belief however if people do have any thoughts that “it” might be propaganda and “a bit of a conspiracy” then most people have to instantly dimiss this idea for their mental well being and to re-secure their perceived position in the world. To entertain such a thought will be almost impossible for most people because it will overturn almost all of their values and beliefs that they have invested in and developed for their whole lives.
And as time goes on it will become ever more difficult for the believers to admit to themselves they’ve been watching the king with no new clothes prancing by.
So the 3hr video of the doctors in America talking about hydroxychloroquine, are they legitimate? Because I am always hesitant to believe one convincing person on Facebook, no matter how much I agree and it seems to make sense? She was still talking in anecdotes, can anyone link some studies which have any conclusions about HCQ, so I can see what they are claiming Vs what the media is intent on dismissing purely because Trump thinks so? I would normally believe them on something like this, but after the whole mask fiasco where they are blatantly lying to us, I cannot anymore.
I haven’t watched that video and don’t know what they’re claiming but my impression is that HCQ works a bit (especially in conjunction with Zinc) but is not a miracle cure.
The MedCram videos on YouTube are a very good source of unbiased information on this kind of thing:
https://youtu.be/o5w7FiDJe1g
He mentions another study in episode 71. He gives all the links in the description but gives really good jargon-free explanations in the videos.
It needs to be used early from my understanding and is very successful if this is the case.
I read somewhere that countries that use it for malaria prophylaxis have very low Covid-19 death rates, orders of magnitude lower than the US and Europe.
There could be plenty of other reasons for that though, which is why you need controlled trials. If the effect were orders of magnitude the trials that have been done would have found that. It makes sense that you would want to use it early. Another promising treatment that probably works if used early (posted here a week or so ago but also on MedCram episode 100) is inhaled Interferon-B, also known as SG-001.
I agree, but it might be more effective if you take it for a long time before you are challenged with the virus, and if taken by everyone or almost everyone it might produce a kind of “herd immunity” effect, stopping major outbreaks from occurring and therefore keeping death rates low. Probably those benefits wouldn’t be seen in most controlled trials.
No idea if they were “real” doctors as not look into it but they have now been censored. That didn’t take long did it?
I’m pretty certain they were real doctors. One of them, Dr Ericsson has been on videos before and there have been no suggestions he isn’t even a doctor. The censorship of this video has been amazing with Youtube, Fb and Twitter all deleting the video. Even their website was taken down. Hcq was originally discredited due to a completely fraudulent study. Why should anyone bother to falsify data if it was ineffective? You wouldn’t need to bother. As mentioned above, countries in Sub-Saharan Africa have tiny levels of Covid deaths. Now there could be reasons other than hcq usage (younger population, inaccurate reporting of deaths) but the differences with Europe and the US are so stark that I’m not sure that the other reasons can account for all of it.
If they were not doctors and their statements could be easily ‘rubbished’, then their videos would not have been taken down!
I think there is a reasonably large case study with the French Dr who prescribed HCQ. Anecdotal but quite large numbers.
Main point is that this is an incredibly safe drug that has been around for 65 years which doctors happily prescribe without prior testing or ongoing monitoring. The studies that have purported to show that it is dangerous in the treatment of Covid have been either fraudulent (Lancet study withdrawn) or have skewed methodology (high doses to severely ill patients). So the answer is that we don’t know how effective it might be as a prophylactic but we do know that it has been completely politicised and ‘the science’ appears to be completely side-lined.
It was available over the counter in France (around €3 for 30 tabs) until 15 January this year, when it was suddenly made prescription only and all stocks disappeared from pharmacies.
First recorded Covid case was 22 January.
There’s a coincidence for you!
Ps the fact that the online platforms still allow access to the fraudulent Lancet study but not to these doctors says it all.
Brilliant comment from David Cooper on the Darren Grimes Con Home article:
“…There is a little known side effect from Covid that only affects politicians, by rendering them unable to distinguish parts of their own anatomy. They cannot even correctly express the time honoured governmental principle “cover your arse and save your face” without getting that one the wrong way round.”
Not a bad article either, it highlights the utterly contradictory headless chicken policies being imposed under the title:
“Hey folks, eat out and spend more – no, not you, fatty. And here’s a new tax for you, consumer-friendly online retailer.”
Much the same sentiments on Spiked, some of the comments are from familiar names.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/29/the-tories-have-lost-the-plot/
A gleam of hope when both ConHome and Spiked publish these views? I would like to think so
At Waitrose in the People’s Republic of North West Essex, the bouncers on the door are now using a loudhailer so that … everyone knows never to shop at waitrose again.
From BBC (of course):
UK holidays: Nothing left or ‘it’s a ridiculous price’
Travel restrictions and the continuing coronavirus uncertainty have now persuaded Rachel it might be simpler to stay closer to home. But she never expected that finding somewhere to stay would be so difficult.”There just seems to be so little availability, at least not in Cornwall and Devon where I’ve been looking,” she says. “And the accommodation that is free is so expensive.”
Story mentions Sykes cottages, who we’ve used a few times. A quick look at their site shows exactly what you would expect price/availability wise for this time of year.
Just crap.
I’m definitely on the “fforce everyone to spend their money at home” train.
Interestingly, foreign holidays are now dirt cheap. Yesterday my dad found a package to Lesbos (holiday and flights) for all three of us for £650. That’s in an expensive hotel (4*), apartment rooms. Sea view. Breakfast included.
Last year, same holiday was double
the price. Thing that stopped us
booking is that there are no direct flights from the UK – you have to join the Dutch route (KLM) in Amsterdam and they are not telling you the flight details, very short notice flights will be acquired. This is telling I think. Your holiday is very cheap, but getting there is very risky/uncertain and inconvenient.
What do they expect? Most people will have booked holidays around the UK for the six week holidays anything between 6-12 months in advance. If you did the same search this time last year you would get the same result, hardly anything available, but what is will be bloody expensive!
Don’t know about anyone else here, but I find myself sending emails off to people I know, trying to sound them out on their views on this. Basically hoping to find someone I can talk to about it.
Just got an email back from an old friend, in his fifties, university degree, left wing.
He says that “The general view around here is that if the lockdown had been imposed a week earlier, we wouldn’t be in this mess.” He is very dismissive of people who don’t want to wear masks – “…probably Brexiteers”.
Obviously, I can’t talk to him about it again – my blood pressure wouldn’t be able to take it. But just how does an intelligent person come to a view like that? I hadn’t previously considered that people might be thinking that bringing in the lockdown sooner would mean that we would now be in the clear.
Isn’t it obvious that the lockdown is a self-justifying ‘measure’? Logically*, if it doesn’t work, you need more severe lockdown, and if it does, you can’t lift it without a ‘second wave’ – and that’s before people with vested interests begin twisting the figures and so on. That is why it should have been avoided at all costs.
I honestly don’t know how people can end up so unconcerned about what is being cooked up in their name and which will determine their entire future.
*I hasten to add, I’m playing devil’s advocate in even giving it this much credence. I know that it isn’t even proven that a lockdown makes any difference to virus transmission; that even if it ‘worked’ it could, at the same time, have perverse effects on immunity in general, etc.
There’s a strange blindness in people. Unwillingness to see the truth, or maybe simply cannot perceive the truth. I do wonder whether sceptics alone are able to break the spell. It needs something much more powerful. But what?
Facemasks and gloves mandated to be worn EVERYWHERE?
So, if lockdown started a week earlier, we wouldn’t now be subject to ridiculous measures being imposed, even when all indicators say it’s going away. Obvious, really!
Just keep sending them this and ask for an explanation of what it means:
“On 21 July 2020 the Chief Medical Officer of England Dr Chris Whitty was questioned, on record, by the Parliamentary Committee for Health and Social Care. He said:
“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”
Why does every single MSM outlet – TV, radio, newspaper, online – refuse to report this?”
Annoys the hell out of them as they cannot answer.
Tell your friend to look at what is happening in Romania, early hard lockdown closing down again because of resurgence.
The researchers from PANDA (S African group) when asked what single graph they would show to the lay person to explain what was going on, they answered the scatter graph of lockdown severity against deaths per million. There is zero correlation…it is like a Jackson pollack splatter. They even said that they had expected some correlation, albeit weak, but were astounded at how absent it is.
Vallance suggested same (‘week earlier’) to Parliamentary committee although Whitty later downplayed that. Point out maximun deaths on 8 April means maximum infections on 16th March (Great Incarceration started 23/24 March). PANDA’s plot mentioned below is good too.
It’s in the SAGE minutes on like 16th March or thereabouts that the fabled R number was already below 1 (it being above 1 was one of the justifications for lockdown – but it wasn’t above 1 when they locked down!!)
Notably once Dolan forced them to release the SAGE docs, the narrative shifted from the R number to ‘cases’, ‘infections’ and now ‘positive tests’
Sage never recommended lockdown.The impetus came from elsewhere.Political or sham science.I was told a week or 2 before lockdown via someone who works in the home office that the government we’re going for 12 week lockdown.
Why? Why 12 weeks?
Ask them to explain what is going on in Spain then. They locked down earlier and harder than we did.
As far as I can see, all that lockdown will achieve is to kick the can down the road.
It has been proved and even admitted by Whitty that infections peaked before lockdown.Therefore,even using their own evidence the lockdown was pointless.We know it was worse that that because of the extra deaths it caused.This is a rewriting of history that we will hear more of soon.
Utter rubbish about second wave.
It’s based on TESTS now, LT, you know, things that are going up. Do keep up!
Agree
Feeling depressed this morning, so go easy on me.
Let’s be absolutely honest with ourselves and others. I’d be really interested in folks’ thoughts on this.
Is there ever a moment when you question yourself and wonder if “we” are wrong and “they” (the mask-wearers, pro-lockdowners, the scared -shitless of the virus etc) are (just maybe) right? Could the objective truth lie somewhere in the middle? What’s going on? I’ve lost faith in everything I believed in before and have no friends in the non-virtual world I can discuss this with. Should I seek psychiatric help?
No. Absolutely not. We are right, but there are a hell of a lot of them. A worrying amount, for sure. But we are right. Beauty is truth, and truth beauty.
I’ve done that numerous times in life. Truth is truth, even if only one person believes it and ten million do not. There is also a “knowing” in one’s heart.
I think being here is mostly good. You get the facts that show you are right. But, you also get the facts that show just how mad the other lot are, and that can be depressing sometimes. But, again, that is just because of how bafflingly wrong they are. How does it go, “To thine own self be true” ?
It’s completely normal to question yourself when it feels like you’re the only sane person in a sea of madness. Take comfort in the knowledge that what you see here is mostly based on fact, but the insanity of those on the other side is mostly based on a feedback loop of fear and sensationalised propaganda.
I do think we have a tendency here to overstate the position (I’m as guilty as anyone) – the virus isn’t as completely irrelevant as we might sometimes suggest – and so the truth does lie somewhere in between, but it’s far closer to where we are than to the beliefs of the panickers.
Earlier on, I had plenty of moments of self-doubt when I thought “maybe I’m just a delusional contrarian after all” but as the facts have become clearer and clearer over the last couple of months, I don’t often feel that way any more!
Reading about the 2009 swine flu also helped ( https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613.html ); the world came very close to reacting exactly the same way 11 years ago, only the fact that the “pandemic” was a complete non-event meant that the media panic died out as quickly as the virus did.
To be honest, though, the current situation is more mentally wearing for me than a few months ago. Earlier on I had hope that evidence of the virus being less dangerous than predicted (and there were plenty of studies and theories that suggest this right from the start), might cause society and goverments to let up on the fear and hysteria. Some chance!
It occurred to me at the outset that maybe my gut instinct (that this was a minor threat greatly amplified by 24-hour media and globalism generally) might be wrong, because if it was an existential threat to humanity, it would be so far outside my experience that I wouldn’t be able to comprehend it.
But that soon passed. I have never, NEVER felt that my health was at serious risk from the virus, any more so than I’m at risk of various cancers – and one lives with that knowledge and carries on.
What we are seeing is a global PANdemIC, enabled by a credulous media and a useless political class.
If you look at The Times lead story today (second wave nonsense), the comments below are hugely of the “What a load of nonsense” variety. People are realising they’ve been fooled into overreacting. Their fury when the money runs out won’t be pretty.
No. Keep the faith: cleave to what you intinctively know to be right. One can feel the fear on the High-street, not that there’s much of that left at this rate.
I only question my confidence that it will end, and even then not for so long before I regain my senses. ‘We’ are most certainly on the right side of this, have no doubt, and ‘they’ will slowly realise that all of this nonsense is not worth it – I’m sure that plenty already have, though they may hide it behind a mask (literally in this case) because they lack confidence.
If talking to someone would help, it is an idea, but if you get one of ‘them’ as your psychiatrist it could be counter-productive.
It’s the very same critically reflective skills you have and others don’t possess that has caused you to be here (and scepticical).
Keep the faith.
“Strange how potent cheap music is” Noel Coward
Never surrender
When you’re up against the world
Never surrender
Stand up fight them all
Never surrender
When you’re up against the world
Never surrender
Stand up fight them all
https://www.metrolyrics.com/never-surrender-lyrics-saxon.html
Yes, you should always establish the counter-argument(s), and then set out to knock them down, one by one, with logic, facts and other evidence. No, you do not need to seek psychiatric help unless and until Cark Heneghan and Sunitra Gupta have, and reported back. Chin up!
I actually had a very real sense about this, it was like something suddenly snapped in me and I kind of went, actually give in, I am wrong, they are right. It was a strange unfamiliar thought process.
Naturally I managed to give my brain a slap and get it back on track. I am right they are wrong. I am certainly not mentally confused, not like just about nearly ever body else. I am not and never have used sanitizer, I have never knowingly socially distanced from anybody, I have never and will never wear gloves and a mask to stop germs, and I was never worried about catching the Rona.
I know more about this Virus and the politics that surround it than 98% of the people out there.
No you don’t need psychiatric help but the rest of the population REALLY does need it. Covid Psychosis is a real thing.
Gillian – I had thought this morning too, just for a few seconds. Is everyone else right? But then I simply have another think about the facts and what we’ve learnt about this situation, and realise, yes, we’re actually right. Everyone else is wrong.
Remember Galileo – “He was tried by the Inquisition, found “vehemently suspect of heresy”, and forced to recant. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.”
But he was right all along!
Even if we cannot be free in body, we can be free in our minds and our spirit. And I think that’s what counts. And being free in mind and spirit means we can work out how to eventually be free in body.
You do not need psychiatric help – it’s the rest of the world that’s gone mad.
We need to set up some sort of system allowing us all to meet up in person, safely. This will help enormously!
Keep faith! The fact that you do not think like the herd is in itself a great act of courage!
I’ve managed to find local like minded individuals by searching through the Keep Britain Free forum. I can’t describe how positive it has been to talk to them face-to-face while my concerns expressed to friends and family fall on deaf ears. We now have a group of 10 and arranging meet ups. StandUpX have regular events too.
Excellent post.
4 local events this weekend. See of one’s near you: https://www.standupx.info/
Yes I often feel like this. I think it’s really important actually, to be constantly questioning your own viewpoint. It’s what real science is all about (not The Science). It’s what the zealots and the govt and MSM are NOT doing so it automatically puts you one step above them!
Also, the truth may well be somewhere in the middle. But it’s only by acknowledging and debating both sides that the truth can be reached. That debate isn’t being allowed at the moment, which is why the anti lockdown view is so important.
I don’t think the truth about the virus is somewhere in the middle. I think the response to it has been an obvious scam.
As to the reason why most of the Western governments have all gone nuts “in lockstep” while using the same vocabulary, there are a lot of disturbing hypotheses and the truth of those is yet to be discerned.
The response is a scam, yes. But personally I don’t believe it’s just a cold, as some people say, any more than flu is just the flu. It can be nasty for some, but absolutely does not in any way justify the measures that have been taken.
Nothing wrong with checking one’s beliefs. I came across something recently about there being three scientific statements:
dont forget the one used by current government re covid and of course the climate change industry
4 . The Science is settled
Totally agree Gillian. I’m off to France tomorrow with grown up sons (both sceptics) & my postie this morning told me his daughter experience “very strict” on wearing masks on Disney rides in Paris ? Unbelievable) just makes me feel very anxious. I’ve got to face trains and tube to London with hidden disabilities card (& am determined) & I know the stuff being pumped out is madness but……it’s tough out there thinking differently.
I wonder how people in France with genuine panic issues get by. Now that masks are compulsory everybody wears one. I cop out by getting the kids to do the shopping for me. In a little organic shop where I shopped without a mask for four months, suddenly I have to wear a mask. It is so stupid. Last week I dutifully put my mask on at the door, but when I left I tore it off. I was nearly in tears. I think in Britain I would be entitled to an exemption.
No exceptions? Appalling.
I am on holiday in France. Despite the mask rules it feels more relaxed. I don’t get a sense of the virtue signalling angle. Simple grudging acceptance of it as a law and people comply only insofar as they have to. Don’t seem to care what others are doing. Bars and restaurants busy and relaxed. Avoiding shops!
Re “nearly in tears”: this happened to me when we had to join what I called “the queue of shame” at the beginning of the lockdown. It was a physical reaction against the humiliation of being made to stand in public submission to what seemed to me insanity. After two attempts I refused to do it any more, and have only been going into shops if there were no queues outside – usually in the late evening. This mask thing has blown everything open again. I last went to a shop on Thursday, before the diktat came into force, but the crunch will come soon. I’ve got myself an exemption lanyard, but have put off using it for as long as possible. It helps to read here about the experiences of people who’ve braved the insanity. (This is a different Gillian from the original post, so a bit confusing – maybe I should change my user name ? Or isn’t that possible ?)
I am also recently
nearly in tearsquite often. Most recently, this morningwhen we went to our local organic community farm to collect our share of the vegetables. Last week no one masked, this week everyone was..
I had really hoped to not be the only one unmasked. Even there, where
people are generally open-minded, alternative and kind everyone was wearing the
I support the governmentmuzzle. unbelievable.But it’s “kind” and “unselfish” to wear the mask! (Just preparing myself for my first unkind, selfish descent on the supermarket since last Thursday.)
My understanding is that you can get an exemption but it needs a doctor’s certificate.
To get that, of course you have to wear a mask!
Please see also my post about Intermarche.
Is there no such thing as being exempt in France?
If it
s of any reassurance we (myself & 3 children) found train to London and tube travel was fine unmasked. I have no idea about France tho. Good luck!More than a dozen open minded, scientifically leaning, fact seeking people have just replied to support you. I think that answers your last question. We will see this out.
Ghana said, to paraphrase, you may be a minority of one but you can still be correct.
Ghandi, not Ghana
If I was visiting a hospital I probably would wear a mask even if it was optional. But that is one thing. A stay in hospital is not part of everyday normal life. If we were meant to wear masks we’d have evolved some fleshy equivalent on our faces. Only in extremis should there be a universal need to wear them – such as when there are a carts going round with a chap ringing a bell calling out: “Bring out y’ dead.”
I accept mask wearing may possibly decrease the fatality rate – but at what a price. In possibly saving lives it kills life as we’ve always know it instead.
You will be obliged to wear a mask if hospital visiting.
You’d think medics would know better but their ruling re muzzles is actually harmful to the health of its staff.
Mask-wearing will NOT decrease the fatality rate – which is negligible now anyway.
The government knows that, hence the mixed messages and the guidelines that basically say nobody needs to wear one. They’ve openly admitted it’s for psychological reasons – though they called it “confidence”.
Well michael Levet and Sunetra Gupta are very convincing on our side of the argument. I also have a critical care doctor friend who thinks it is total over kill. Let’s keep hopeful
Take a look at Ivor Cummins and his Fat Emporer website. He has a background in engineering. From the beginning he has been openly looking for evidence to test and counter his hypothesis that lockdowns are ineffectual. It’s an open document that he has invited people to contribute to. I don’t think he has accumulated much evidence in favour of lockdowns!
Ivor Cummins is great!
My two-pennyworth, Gillian.
It is a good sign you question/review/analyse the situation. Shows you are not brainwashed or conditioned into your views.
To assess the truth, I usually look at the ludicrousness of many aspects of the nonsense – 2m not 1m coz we is thick; masks in takeaways but not cafes; masks for children (grrrr !); long delays before introducing ‘measures’, to increase apprehension/panic; plus the biggy, no alternative viewpoints allowed on the MSM for 4 months ! Indefensible.
Psychiatrists should be avoided. If they’re fully on-board zealots, a mere opinion of your own would be an instant diagnosis of some sort of problem.
Take care of yourself !
A psychiatrist will dose you up on meds that you don’t need.
Me again, sorry. Gillian, look at A. Contrarian’s post above about the car. That tells you all you need to know about us and them, and who’s right.
There have been a few days when I have been so low that I have thought ‘should I just give in and go along with the collective madness for an easier life ?,perhaps it will stop my stress and I will feel happier’ but I haven’t gone down that track,I know that initially it may have made me feel better but I know that feeling would not have lasted because my conscience would soon tell me I was going against what I truly feel deep in my soul,to be on the side of sceptcism and to be challenging the prevailing narrative is the right side.
Gillian,you decide what is the best course for you to take,don’t let anyone from either side of the divide make you go against the feelings in your heart and mind,remember you are not alone,we may be virtual friends but behind our keyboards we are real people who care about others and our world and I think there are may people in real world that think as we do but unfortunately they are often scared to say anything because it seems everyone is against them,but It does feel that the tide might slowly be turning.
Find something that you enjoy doing and immerse yourself in it,try to forget about everything,I did that one day and I realised hours later that I hadn’t though about the virus or anything related all day and it felt good !.
Gillian, suggest a great film to watch – 12 Angry Men (1957) – with Henry Fonda.
Seconded. Very much worth seeking out asap.
Hank. Them eyes! And that daughter! Funnily enough, I was thinking the other day about films to recommend as a mood lifter. A few of my regular favourites popped into my head and I realised there is an ironic lockdown theme to them:
My Favourite Year – Peter O’Toole
Hobson’s Choice (b/w original) – Charles Laughton, John Mills
How to Murder Your Wife – Jack Lemmon, Terry-Thomas
all good stuff though.
For laughs:
Grumpy Old Men
Strictly Ballroom
Cats and Dogs
Meet the Family
A New Leaf
Being There
Men In Black
Blues Brothers
Dean Spanley
The whole thing is psychological warfare. I understand how isolated one feels when your friends and family do not understand.
My advice is to reach out Gilian. I’ve managed to meet four like minded people face-to-face via the forums on Keep Britain Free. I can’t describe how good it feels to know “I am not alone” (to coin Vernon Coleman’s ending line). We are now planning further meet ups.
Search for your area within the forum and you may well find someone nearby. Keep the faith, keep strong, we will win this war.
No definitely not – maybe a little if you wake at 3 or 4 am when everything always somehow feels more shaky. The issue I think is that LOADS and I mean loads of folk just get ALL their news by letting the BBC,SKY and ITV bulletins just wash into their ears.
What is “right” in this context? We have always had to battle with pathogens of various types. Many have been far more dangerous than Covid-19. We’ve never before attempted to close down the whole of society including children’s education and most medical and dental care.
During the Lockdown there was a huge reduction in crime. Why aren’t people touting lockdowns as the way to tackle crime and “save lives”? That would be just as logical as tackling a virus of this type with a total lockdown.
Humanity has been around say 1 million years these things come along every 10 years or so, we would be the genetic survivors of 100,000 such pandemics and this one isn’t even all that hard.
There is some evidence that novel pathogens are becoming a more frequent phenomenon. Some scientists think mass flu vaccination of the elderly may be creating opportunities for novel pathogens…flu vaccinations just stop flu (not all the time though) – they don’t make old lungs young again….they’re still v vulnerable to infection, so novel pathogens face less competition in moving into such tempting (for a virus) environments.
Indeed Covid 19 can be serious for certain groups and therefore required a targeted approach. The horror stories it generates are out of all proportion to the statistics. The monstrous dodgy testing system is finding witches in every broom cupboard and sending everyone into a tail spin. Nobody seems to be looking at the facts, hospital cases are way down, the rate of total deaths is now below average, so what is the problem? At first Covid had an exponential rate of growth but now it is the over-reaction of the powers that be and the MSM that is growing exponentially.
It all needs an inspired intelligent and dynamic reality check at the top, on this site we all recognize this but there is little sign of it happening and so we share thoughts and hope that in the end sense will prevail.
I largely agree with your post, Steve, but note that there are scientists, including Professor Levitt, who would say that there was never exponential growth.
Gillian – of course it’s always wise to question your assumptions, and try to avoid confirmation bias, and be receptive to new evidence.
With this in mind, taking each of your questions in turn: no; no; no idea, except mass hysteria; no.
Gillian, don’t despair. Recent 20thC history tells us that when the minority of awake people don’t speak out the end result is fascist Germany or Communist USSR. People have been deliberately terrified (the ’25 Options’ government SAGE document makes it clear that instilling fear about this virus was essential) and we need to gently wake them up in a way that doesn’t make them feel stupid.
I’ve also felt sometimes that it would be easier just to believe the hysteria, and take comfort from the fact that we’re all in this together and if our lives are being disrupted it’s because of a dangerous virus not because of the stupidity of governments. But now some full on mask, glove and lockdown friends are beginning to wonder if it will ever end. So even the believers end up depressed. That’s one point. The other is, if people were keeling over in the streets we would know there was a dangerous illness going about. They aren’t and never have been. However unpleasant the virus is – I myself had a sore throat and a horrible cough for a few days – it does not justify the response. That is the bottom line.
You are not alone Gillian and there are more of us than even I realised. I’m on an island in the Med at the moment and oh such a difference from the UK! Cafe culture goes on as normal over here, people are socialising, mingling, eating meals together. If you go inside a shop a mask should be worn but in reality they are worn hanging off one ear or around the neck and nobody says a thing. The atmosphere is normal, proper normal, old normal. There is hope yet for the UK as normal does still exist.
Stay strong, Gillian, there are MANY of us that see the truth in a sea of denial and ignorance. I have been studying the Globalisation plan for a very long time and this virus came as absolutely no surprise to me. So not once have I questioned my own stance on this. I’ve unfortunately upset people when I refused to agree with them on this virus, and when I told them at the start that wasn’t going to away any day soon and that the government’s reaction to this could get worse they got angry and said I was a conspiracy theorist! “How could I be like that when PEOPLE ARE DYING!” was the stock answer. Now quite a few months down the line some are now grudgingly asking me questions, but most just don’t want to know me now. I’ve moved on, looking after my closest family who are luckily in agreement with me and see what is going on. Don’t ever be swayed from what you believe. Remember, there are people who are seeing what’s actually happening, but pretend they can’t because it’s more comfortable to follow the rules rather than stand up to them. Always stay true to yourself.
The truth is in plain sight at the Office for Nationsl Statistics total deaths per week against the 5 year average, proves we are right but the MSM won’t touch it because they also know this.
When chatting to young adults it does not take long before they start to reveal their doubts but they have learned to confirm in these days of social media
If you are feeling uncertain and fragile might I suggest you look at a few of Jordan B Petersons videos, he really is very good about groupthink (and very gentle with it).
“Is there ever a moment when you question yourself and wonder if “we” are wrong “
Not quite in those terms – but in the sense of always questioning. Because *that* is good science, based on the reflexive process of constantly examining assumptions and previous data.
And the result of that *sane* questioning stance is *always* that the Covid narrative is at very best an exaggerated distortion of the situation, and the responses a nonsense in any known epidemiological framework.
So – no – you don’t need psychiatric help in that sense : just a bit of support in dealing with the surrounding madness, which is getting a lot of people down – and is a very sane response to a world upside-down.
One problem that we (the sane) face is that a lot of people who are also pretty balanced prefer to simply ignore the situation. I find that, even in the close family, there is an urge to simply avoid the subject, because everyone is wound up, and some will even wear a mask in shops on the justification that it reassures others.
The problems of mass brain-washing are not going to go away, but be assured that bouts of depression, anxiety and sheer anger are a sign of normality, not psychosis. This is a very difficult situation to deal with, based on well-known psychological techniques used to undermine people by totalitarian regimes. The art is finding ways through.
That’s a great response Rick.
No Gillian, you are not going mad – though the world might be.
Gillian this is healthy, it is always good to question yourself and your own position, because then when you continue to arrive at the same place based on the facts available it reinforces your position. If at some point, new facts emerge (let’s pretend a absolutely incredibly detailed and conclusive study proved irrefutably that masks on 100% of people for their little shopping trips for a month, would completely rid us of any trace of Covid-19 and let us get back to normal) you need to be honest enough to adjust position.
The problem with the ‘opposition’ in this instance is that the government & their advisers aren’t ever questioning themselves, they’re not open to the idea that new data has emerged since 23rd March that show their actions to be wrong & so they continue on the same path. As such, just by questioning yourself, you’re already miles better than they are – even if we are still very much on the losing team.
Not any more.
Towards the beginning I was a bit “your contrarianism is too strong for objectivity”
but now….
We are right.
I was thinking something similar, earlier. I am surprised at how unequivocally right we are here, and how wrong they are.
This wasn’t the case back in March and April when I had doubts about the uptick in excess deaths. But we hadn’t figured on the government sending infected old people into care homes and suspending all medical treatment. And you always have to bear in mind that the death of a 90 year-old brought forward by three months isn’t as significant a ‘death’ as a younger person dying. Back then, I hadn’t got it all as straight in my mind, and the evidence had yet to be collated. Now, we are so much more tuned into both the deception and the straightforward errors these people are making (“cases”, false positives, T-Cells, etc. etc.).
Hi Gillian. A while back on here you might remember the Imperial College coding model produced by the infamous Prof. Ferguson was made available on an open source website. It was comprehensively debunked by the very impressive “Sue Denim” a former Google senior programmer. As a retired programmer myself I spent some time looking at this analysis and also the relevant bits of C++ code – my background is in the same area. I have to say that I though Sue Denim’s analysis was actually relatively restrained – if I’d produced something like this for any of my clients I would have quickly been shown the door.
Without going into technicalities, amongst the conclusions were that it was unlikely that this code could ever produce accurate results, that it turned out different results dependent on which machine it was run on and that it was regularly out by factors of between 10-20 using the same inputs. Frankly I wouldn’t employ the people who wrote this to write code to run the accounts of a whelk stall.
Now when you hearJohnson, Hancock et al stand up and tell you that due to the measures they imposed they saved 500,000 lives it is this heap of crap that they are using to back up their claims. This is one obvious example of where “we are right”.
I expect most people who post here would agree that the most vulnerable need protecting from this virus. Those of us with elderly relatives were always careful every winter to stay away not to pass on sniffles to them – that was common sense. But common sense has long since left town and we are now left with a form of mass hysteria driven by unaccountable public health mandarins, terrible journalism and stupid politicians.
My advice is remain curious and question everything.
No
Not for a second
My family all think I’m a tin foil hat wearer. I had nobody to talk to about this either except the people I’ve started to meet in the last week or two about the mask action I’m planning.
Maybe there should be a Zoom chat group for people here’s as it makes a big difference to talk “face to face”.
i tihnk my family would think I was too if not for the fact that they’ve seen my thought process develop over time and how that has been happening. They’ve seen me researching. They’ve seen my printing out studies and articles etc. and reading them. — Without reading them themselves of course
It’s the classic stick fingers in ears and go lalalalalalalalalalalalalala.
Self-doubt is not only useful, it is vital for a rational mind; without it, you’re just as guilty of blind dogma as the Lockdown Stasi. At the start of this, I was happy to acknowledge the popular consensus and concede that it may be right, but at the end of the day, truth is truth. And like truth, goodness is an objective universal constant.
Peeling away the layers, some of which are pretty and rainbow-coloured for emotive purposes, one can only conclude that the very idea of a lockdown is fundamentally bad.
The bottom line is the argument of whether Quality in life is better than just life for its own sake. Of course it is. That is why we regard human life as sacred, and we value the life of intelligent or beautiful animals, but we do not care if we squash a fly – it’s to do with differing perceptions of Quality. Discussions of euthanasia and suicide depend on similar reasoning.
Unfortunately, the world is full of people who do not perceive in full Quality, or truth, goodness or beauty, people who revel only in the sensory comforts and amusements of bread and circuses. For example, there will be people who can read of the recent atrocity at Nantes Cathedral and not feel the slightest sadness, because to them Nantes Cathedral is nowhere near as important as their local McDonald’s.
The Lockdown Stasi purports to be effectively anti-death, a position that is both as foolish in its unachievability as it is undesirable because death, after a full life of 70 or 80 years, is good, and sometimes it can be beautiful. Who would want to be subject to the horror of eternal life? I think many people in the present fear death for one of two reasons: 1) they are dissatisfied with the life they have lived or 2) they have been psychologically conditioned by a culture of risk aversion and cannot come to terms with death being a necessary component in the ongoing march of life. A person who is satisfied with the balance of the universe and their own achievements within their transient existence will not having any fear of death.
Further, the existence of disease brings pain, anxiety and sadness, and all these have their place in the world. Without pain, we would have no sense of comfort; without anxiety, no confidence; and without sadness, the beautiful feeling of joy would be without any value. They help to make up the intricate complexities of the human condition. Humanity is not only beautiful but perfect. It should not be tampered with.
In trying to eliminate negative feelings, the envisioned medical Utopia would destroy the value of positive ones. Our humanity would become a void.
That, Gillian, is why we are right. If I have spoken falsely, please feel at liberty to put me right. Sadly, I fear that when one side favours Quality and the other favours material safety, the difference is almost irreconcilable. How can one value Quality if one cannot perceive it?
Gillian,
COVID is not a deadly disease just like flu is not a deadly disease. It can lead to death for the old and those with health conditions, just like the flu can. That is just a fact.
The data shows it. And the more data we get, the more apparent that becomes.
So the reaction to COVID is completely irrational and disproportionate. Why? Who knows. Spend all the time you like investigating and speculating on why the world has lost its head. But don’t lose track of the fundamental fact: COVID isn’t particularly dangerous.
Got a call from my mother today, worried about a spike in Wrexham where I live (80 ‘cases’ over the last week or something like that).
I asked someone in the know, and was told that the cases have all occurred within the local hospital, not within the community. Hospital administrators have been mixing Covid patients with non-Covid patients in the same wards… hence the spike! Unbelievable! Stupidity? Or deliberate?
Anyway, apparently affected families have been understandably furious, and gone to the Press and taken the issue to the Welsh Government, so we’ll see what comes of it all in the ensuing weeks. I hope heads will roll.
Deliberate, I guess. The original scheme to shift the elderly – untested – to care homes was quite deliberate.
Another example of a ‘stupid’ decision being taken universally and at the same time.
Again, tho’ – underlying this is the slippery term ‘cases’. ‘Seek and ye shall find’.
Once again – as posted on the Swiss Doctor site :
“Case numbers” are, however, a misleading figure that cannot be equated with sick or infected people. A positive test can, for example, be due to non-infectious virus fragments, an asymptomatic infection, a repeated test, or a false-positive result.
Following Matt Hancock’s demand that PHE no longer publish faulty daily death figures, I’m sure PHE is keeping the pressure up on PHE to make sure PHE conducts a full, frank and urgent review of the systematic errors in daily deaths stats produced by PHE (that they continue to publish), otherwise PHE will surely have to face severe censure by PHE.
Just like getting ICL to appraise their own modellng then.
Daily Mail suggests 28% increases in positive cases in July?
Is that true?
Also Boris suggesting two weeks to the second wave starting….
What did the Tory voters do to this country?
If he is/was so worried why allow anyone to travel on holiday in the first place?
To prove they can do to Spain what they did to Leicester.
Exactly…and to make people lose money so they do not ‘dare’ to travel abroad again…
28% of not a lot is still not a lot.
Not a loot is not scary, 28% increase is.
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
I can even prove you have 11 fingers. Something I learnt in school to show how maths can be manipulated by using different “systems” in the same calculation.
With one hand start at 10 and count down the first hand, you end up at 6. Then hold up your other hand, add 5 fingers the 6 you already have and you get 11 in total.
Good one!
Most people have an above average number of limbs. Now that’s an interesting fact that might confuse people.
I was once the youngest person in the World.
So were you.
Here is the raw data on positive tests and daily increases:
1 July – 313,483 (up 829)
4 July – 284,900 (up 624) – note numbers rebased to reflect 30k double-counted!
28 July – 300,692 (up 581)
Where’s the statistician that calculated 28%?
Got a link to the numbers, TT? Or just the site name, I never know where I’m looking, NHS/ONS/PHE etc.
I had been downloading daily from the gov website:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#history
I have an incomplete spreadsheet, largely because the methodology keeps changing (in my view, a red flag in and of itself). I gave up updating my spreadsheet when Hancock announced the inquiry into the basis for PHE deaths. I will aim to go through the historic data and backfill (I have been trying to complete an article before co-author goes on holiday – nothing to do with the virus!).
Thanks. Download is the key word, cos ooh, I dunno, the figures *could* change
Other data buried within the gov website is here – split out by nation.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#category=nations&map=case
The raw data is here: https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/testing (positives on the “cases” link). There are links to the daily data which mean you can copy and paste into a spread sheet to show trends. Below is the data for July – % of tests that were positive is pretty stable at around 0.5%
And are these cases hospitalised or worse? There is no relationship between these crazy announcements & the outcomes (% deaths % h admissions) people just assume everyone is going to die today or tomorrow if they go out (without a mask). This is very bizarre.
It is not true. The Mail said 28 per cent in three weeks. The increase was 20 per cent. Increase in number of tests a bit more than 20 per cent. No increase in proportion positive (actually a small fall).
Could someone mathematically minded take a look at something?
I took it into my head to try to work out the UK IFR yesterday, based on the testing and the death data from the gov.uk site (I’ve never seen any “official” source in this country quote an IFR of any kind). NB, I could only find a CSV file for England, so couldn’t in the end include the other nations.
I was using data on positive “cases” starting 1st May(when the testing had ramped up to the kind of level where the data might start to be reasonably useful) and data on deaths from 30 days later (since we know death occurs 4-6 weeks later).
We know that deaths are very likely significantly overstated, but we also know that positive tests are very likely significantly overstated. I’m also aware that there are a number of assumptions in what I was doing that make the maths very rough and slightly dodgy.
Nonetheless, I was consistently coming up with an IFR in the region of 12%.
Accepting that there will be large numbers of asymptomatic infections that aren’t getting tested, an IFR of over 10% among people presenting with mild symptoms and worse seems staggeringly high – close to the case fatality rate we were seeing in Italy when they were only testing the hospitalised. If there are 80% asymptomatic cases, as have been suggested… 12% of 20% is still 2.4%, which is still nearly 10 times the IFR that the CDC has quoted.
I’m probably not expressing myself very well, but my point is that something is very far off where it should be. As far as I can see, it can only be either:
1) my (admittedly flawed) rough maths is making some huge error that I can’t spot
2) the death numbers are astronomically over reported, not just somewhat over reported
3) the infection numbers are in fact massively under reported
4) the CDC has got it wrong by an order of magnitude
Could someone help me stay sane and point out where I’m wrong?
I should add – I was using gov.uk data
To get a true IFR you need to know the number of people exposed. If you follow this link
https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/ (MRC Biostatistics Unit COVID-19 Working Group – Cambridge university)
there’s a link for today’s date that shows you an estimate of the total number infected, which they have between 3.6 and 5.9 million. They reckon the IFR is between 1 and 1.8% based on that, probably taking the worst-case numbers of deaths (with rather than of). The estimate of the total number infected is I think based on surveys, antibody tests and looking at things like calls to the NHS, plus PCR tests. I don’t think it takes into account people with natural immunity, which would make the IFR much lower.
So, what you guys are saying is that, in order to divide one number by another, you need to know what those numbers are! So, that’s why it’s such a hard subject that baffles scientists!
Mostly 3 and some 2 I think. As Julian points out, the really difficult part of the calculation you are attempting is getting a clear idea of the number of people exposed to or infected by the disease, with an infectious respiratory disease where there is significant pre-existing immunity and a lot of people show few or no symptoms. The estimates made by the experts are based on lots of complex guesswork and inference-drawing.
My sense as an outsider to the key fields is also that there are definitional problems here relating to our evidently incomplete understanding of immunity and infection. This means that there are unresolved issues about how the difference between “exposed to” and “infected” works. It’s quite possible, it seems to me, that there has been exposure to the disease for the majority of the population, in many countries where the disease came early, and we are essentially at herd immunity because only a minority are vulnerable to it at all.
Yes, Mark. Our lives are being fucked up, based on guesswork and inference-drawing.
Obviously. That and outright bullshit and lies, of course (see Imperial College and “behavioural insight” work).
It sounds like that’s a CFR. I get about 15% if I just divide the numbers on worldometers. Positive tests aren’t really “cases” but they are still way smaller than the total number of infections, especially as the UK only started testing quite late on anyway.
If you have random testing (which it never is but is sometimes close) you extrapolate the positive ratio to the whole population to estimate number infected. But all the tests (both PCR and antibodies) have time windows in which people are positive and that has to be taken into account as well.
The number of “cases” for the uk on worldometers is only 300k. The total number infected or exposed is likely somewhere between 10 million and 30 million.
Yes. There was a 28% increase in (false) positive tests. But there was a 300% increase in testing.
The number irrelevant. It’s what percentage of total tests aren’t positive and that is falling. Check on OurWorldInData
Yep, positive tests “were falling, but have levelled off”. Obviously meant to suggest that they could rise, but the number of tests is rising (it has to!), so as you say percentage positive tests is falling.
Surely you would expect the number of positives to rise with the rise in testing even if it’s expressed as a percentage? I suppose expressing it as a percentage makes it seem worse than it is
This is where my grasp of maths fails me lol
They’ve put some videos up on that WTTC/Carnival website.
https://covidsciencesummit.com
I’ve not had chance to watch them in full but just flicked through.
Some bits they seem sceptical, others seem full on with the agenda. The Asian ethnicity doctor – Dr Michael Lin – is all for masks but then he contradicts himself later and says they are at best 50% effective.
Will try and make time to watch all the videos in full and let sceptics land know if anything interesting is on it.
The new definition of madness, observed this morning – wearing a mask, on your own, whilst driving in your open top car…
My husband has just called me from town to record that about 10% of people are out and about in masks, including one older chap who caught his eye – in a bright green bandana-type mask made of muslin through which his mouth was visible!
Good for the older chap. Protest or not the more stupid the masks the better. Saw a younger chap in a metro shop in full spray a car mask respirator. It had tge effect of piddling on every other mask around and looked really embarrasing.
He only walked through town to see if the group of Extinction Rebellion nutters who had camped outside H&M the other day were still there!
There was a geordie accent outside holyrood at last years er aborted protests on a mic, peaking to a crowd of three. I think tyneside may be a hotbed.
Muslin will be my material of choice should I ever have to succumb…
It has to cover your nose and mouth. But, do they define ‘cover’?
I don’t think so, and they certainly don’t define the material you need to use. In fact I think I read something on a policing website suggesting that the police are not expected to assess the suitability or effectiveness of the covering in terms of size, shape or fabric, so it’s been left very open.
The netting Dad used to use for his runner-beans would do me!
Or fishnet tights?
I think I read recently that Wales had specified three layers for public transport, scarves not acceptable. Hopefully the rest won’t follow suit.
Or one layer of cheesecloth?
Maybe he has hay-fever. I don’t think masks help with that however even though pollen grains are bigger than virus particles
Seen em in cars, but open top? That’s the tin hat!
Will probably need to wear one of those as well – don’t forget the risk of meteorite strike!
Trumps my cyclist wearing a visor at 45 degrees sans crash hat
They are comming for Percy Pig! Please let this be the thing that sparks the revolution
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/jul/29/percy-pig-packaging-wilfully-misleading-says-obesity-campaign
The health fascists had better stay away from my Percy Pigs!
It’s Peppa Pig that needs putting down the memory hole. It’s a 100% a deep state brainwashing tool for little girls.
Silly Daddy!
Wow, that is amazing. A packet of sweets has sugar as the major ingredient! Who knew?
There was an article on zero hedge yesterday saying the IMF would only give Belarus Money if they imposed the lockdown. I’m wondering if that’s why we’re all wearing masks now. We went cap in hand to the IMF.
Also getting really annoyed with the facebook/google censorship going on at the moment. I don’t like censorship at the best of times, but the difference between government censorship and tech censorship is that the government is also responsible for roads, safety, education, health…tech is just responsible for destroying our brains. How did we allow un-elected people to become in charge of freedom of speach?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.27.20161976v2
Existing vaccines give protection against Covid-19? Just published not peer reviewed
“reveal significantly lower SARS-CoV-2 rate among black individuals who have taken the PCV13 vaccine, with relative risk of 0.45 at the 5 year time horizon (n: 653, 95% CI: (0.32, 0.64), p-value: 6.9e-05).”
“These findings suggest that additional pre-clinical and clinical studies are warranted to assess the protective effects of existing non-COVID-19 vaccines and explore underlying immunologic mechanisms.”
Interesting. When I search PCV13 vaccine in Google, the first thing that appears is a WHO ad saying “Vaccines against pneumonia do NOT protect against Covid-19” (emphasis in the link). Maybe they’re onto something?
Exactly!
I remember an interview with an immunologist very early on speculating about the protective effects of TB vaccination. He was talking about effects of another vaccine given in addition and the effect they had of boosting underlying innate immune responses. Can’t remember the details and obviously no reporting of it then it since!
Wow I had a TB jab, think I had two!
Is there any info on the protective effects of an un-tampered with healthy immune system against the nasty cough?
I’m sure there could be….there’s enough data out there now to keep researchers going but whether anyone funds it is another question,
Interesting. They also seem to have found that the Meningococcal and Typhoid vaccines make you around 1.5x more likely to get Covid.
Interesting, wasn’t the Oxford phase I trial being run against the MenC vaccine?
Yes they use that as a control, which will help to make their vaccine look good
This doesn’t matter much though because the main thing you’re looking for is close to 100% immunity in the actual vaccinated group. If a few extra people in the control group get Covid this is only evidence in favour of the vaccine in the same way that red buses are evidence that ravens are black (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox). The reason they use MenC for the “control” is just to give you get a sore arm and make you feel like crap otherwise you might guess that you’d had the placebo.
This is certainly an amazing opportunity for research into how vaccines impact other vaccines and other endemic diseases.
Will it be done? Probably not, as all the scientists are too busy trying to create the next unproperly researched vaccine in order to make £$£
UK government should’ve looked at this before giving GSK and other Pharma companies loads of our money upfront for new, as yet untested vaccines…
Indeed. Missed opportunity…..
Whenever I see anyone with a loudhailer all I can think of is putting it somewhere that doesn’t get much light for them.
Just put this on my social media (subject dear to my heart), I await the continued mass unfriending:
Imagine you are a rape survivor, or child abuse survivor, or DV survivor, or you have PTSD. Traumatised people are in a state that’s called ‘hyper arousal’ – the bit of our brain that scans the environment looking for threats is stuck on “ON!!!!”.
Humans automatically do this with facial expressions, particularly micro muscles around the mouth. This is the part of the brain beyond conscious thought, it’s the bit of us that makes our hair stand on end, or causes the ‘someone just walked over my grave’ feeling, or makes us jump when something catches us by surprise. Imagine that feeling you get having to walk back to your car in a multi-story carpark at night alone, multiply it by about ten thousand, and that’s how traumatised people feel ALL THE TIME.
Now imagine you have to go out in the world, and not only will you be mocked, confronted and shamed because you don’t want to cover your face (perhaps someone held a hand over your face as they raped or abused you, or as is common your violent partner tried to suffocate you) but you cannot see anyone else’s face.
Now tell me again how wearing a mask, backed up by no science, means you are one of the good guys?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8564247/Are-masks-giving-men-licence-stare-Women-report-rise-aggressive-eye-contact.html
Very good Bec; well done KH. Men are just rubbish. Speaking from biological experience!
I don’t think all men are rubbish, but the fact of the matter is women don’t know which are which, so it’s immaterial in the end, I actually think men have very little conscious awareness of how women weigh up threat about a million times a day. When I lived in London, it was literally every minute from the moment I left the house. I’ve been flashed, followed, repeatedly groped, w*nked on on the tube twice, men put hands up my skirt, hideous sexual street harassment, told to smile, and when I look worried, called every name under the sun (again, men don’t realise when they say ‘smile love’ or ‘I like your dress’ and they are being entirely friendly, that we’ve already had 100 experiences where that’s escalated to very frightening levels already, more times than I can count, ‘are you a f**king lesbian, what you need is one up the arse!’ etc etc). I said to my brother once, who was arguing that men aren’t a threat, ‘what do you think about when you park your car in a multi storey?’ – he said ‘a space’. I said, ‘lighting, exits, distance from other people, stairwells, RAPE basically’. I dont’ think men really get how frightening they can be. I’d even think twice about taking a lift with a long standing lovely colleague, and getting in a car with him on my own. Pervy men with faces covered, living nightmare, and I won’t be taking public transport until this madness is over.
In fact, good men signal with their face and their body language they are NOT a threat (cross the road, smile, how they hold their facial expression) and they can’t even do that either, masks take away gallantry.
I tend to steer clear of women, not walk too close etc., particularly in the street, simply because I know they get enough hassle. But then does that make me appear stand offish? And even worse, did I invent social distancing? Oh No!
No, honestly, if it’s dark, we are thanking God you do that. Please keep doing it. I think nice, decent men have very little idea how disgusting and threatening some men are.
In my early twenties, in London, I went out on a hot day in a fairly modest sun dress. Straps, so bare shoulders and arms, but below my knee. Worst day of my life! I was shaking and crying as I walked home. Two black guys were coming towards me on the same pavement in a quiet residential street, and I just couldn’t take the thousandth street harassment incident of the day, so I crossed the road.
They started jeering and calling me racist. I burst into tears. And said, ‘please leave me alone, it’s not because you are black, it’s because you are men’.
They were so NICE! They walked me home. I was so grateful. I never wore that dress again. I never left the house with my shoulders uncovered. I never ever looked a man in the eye on the tube again.
That you can’t walk, unmolested, or wear your nice things is just so wrong. I love to see femininity, it brightens a dull world. That red coat on a winter day, a waft of perfume etc. More power to you for not taking crap.
Thanks, that’s the double bind though isn’t it? My point really, women don’t organise their lives around the decent men (who are by far and away the majority) but the bad ones.
Yes, it’s difficult sometimes if you are man to know what best to do.
It sometimes feels as if as a man you are guilty until proven innocent (which of course is almost impossible). I don’t know how as a society we’ve got to this.
And when I go into shops now unmuzzled I’m regarded as a disease threat, or at least inconsiderate in the extreme.
I think muzzles may make the wearer’s eyes look more threatening than they really are though, perhaps because we miss all the other facial expressions, and everyone’s body language is already tense with the environment they find themselves in.
It’s difficult for a man I think to appreciate what some women may be perceiving.
I agree, and the thing with PTSD and trauma, the poor sufferer is already in a state of overload, so is perceiving threat anyway. It’s very inhumane this policy, because all people, traumatised or not, communicate non verbally. We are far more social, and we operate like herd animals more than we realise. Those social conventions, and checks on our worst instincts are collaborative, collective and largely unconscious. I think that’s why it’s so unsettling.
That’s an excellent reason for not wearing a mask.
I’m the same, not a girly girl, but I’m tall and blonde, and when I was young, it was absolutely relentless, just endless, from about the age of 12. I’m mid forties now, it’s less but hasn’t stopped. I think gallant men would be shocked what gets said and done to women. Some drunk twat trying to talk to you, really leering, so you ignore them, then they start touching you, ‘do you think you are too good for the likes of me then?’ it’s terrifying. I stood in the middle of a pub once and shouted at the top of my lungs ‘take your f**king hands off me!’ – whole place went quiet.
Haha, good for you! I’ve had a fair few dealings with those chaps, I know precisely the sort you mean!
I am dark (think Mediterranean), and never really experienced problems when growing up like you and many friends. Roll forward to early twenties and extended work trip to Japan, with all my fellow blonds, male and female, being advised they would attract much attention. Nope. I came into my own. I didn’t understand why until I was sat on my own in an ice cream parlour and a mother came in with her little girl, aged about 4. Little girl sat beside me, and started touching my hair. It was the curls that fascinated them (think Crystal Tipps when left to its own devices)!
Women are absolutely more vulnerable and maybe men don’t fully appreciate this. Being solo I never go out without knowing how I’m going to get home safely even if this means driving and not drinking.
I don’t catch taxis as apart from the costs, and previous experience of dangerous driving/not knowing where going, i don’t trust travelling alone with a strange man in a taxi. (if there were female drivers i probably would, but not many of those around).
Sad but have to watch your back most of the time but it doesn’t stop me from going out and I travel extensively abroad alone which i love but just cautious and aware of surroundings etc
Some definitely. But not all, by any means.
As I said, that’s irrelevant because the bad ones don’t wear a badge, and they look just like the good ones. Therefore women’s lives are curtailed simply because we don’t know which is which. Personally think that’s on all men to sort out.
I believe cheezilla has a good point. Bad man abuses woman. Woman distrusts all men. Good man is indirectly percieved with suspicion. Good man suffers because of bad man. It’s not irrelevant or immaterial.
I know, every perv and weirdo is currently feeling very emboldened. I’ll be ripping the f**kers masks off and filming their face if I see it. Imagine being WITH an abuser right now, I knew a woman who had to keep her eyes on the floor at all times when out in public, in case she mouthed ‘help’ at anyone. He can hiss at you now, poke you in the back, make you stand there helpless, and no one can see. I heard a woman on the radio, absolutely beside herself with panic at covering her face, hyperventilating. The ‘therapist’ told her to get an ‘exemption certificate’ from the doctor, which is utterly incorrect advice, you just self cert. Oxfordshire Rape Crisis have told women to ‘practice’ at home with different fabrics, you know, see how the panic goes! I am so angry. It’s unconscionable what we are doing. Even ex service men, traumatised from combat, need to scan the environment, to see who is coming.
Caught a bit of Womans Hour, it was about mental health of some sort but the interviewee said “so I’ve just had a breakdown and all he could suggest was eat more soy!”.
FFS.
Which hour was that? On the BBC every hour is Woman’s Hour.
Good post bec. It matters to me to point out that ‘she’ can hiss and dig him in the back too. I don’t mean to be smart or clever – just aware men get abuse too.
I don’t want to derail my post, but the stats are a joke (reporting cap, delay in reporting etc, DV is an overwhelmingly male crime, women are over whelmingly the victims, where men are the victims, the perp is almost always male – this is my specialist subject) but yes it’s an abuser’s wet dream. Men commit 99.9% of all violent and sexual crime though, so I think I’m allowed a post about women. That said, many people of both sexes suffer PTSD for a variety of reasons, not all of them violent or sexual, so my point stands, it’s still incredibly difficult for anyone with PTSD to wear a mask. I don’t want to start a discussion about men and DV, if you want to do that, can you start your own post?
I think you have made yourself perfectly clear. As did i.
According to the Office of National Statistics (ONS) about 4.2% of men and 7.9% of women suffered domestic abuse in England and Wales during 2018. This equates to about 685,000 male victims and 1,300,000 women.
685,000. That’s my latst comment to your thread.
But the 685,000 is of no consequence as far as the rabid feminists are concerned. They have one-track minds. In their book, all men are evil. I wonder if they’re concerned about the supposed imbalance in bat flu deaths between men and women; I guess not.
Thinking about it, I am probably examining peoples faces a lot more at the moment Natural reaction, Something to be conscious of and try to minimise.
Worst I’ve had is them pointedly looking away and some confusion when the staff don’t question me.
Yeah I think it’s more the perverts and nasty people are enjoying having a good leer, they’ll be doing so minus their nuts if they do it to me or anyone I see.
BecJT, I think I read recently about evidence from Japan, where mask wearing is already more common (air quality-related) from women on public transport. I agree with this, and some of your follow-up comments, this is especially problematic on public transport and in other spaces, such as car parks. As a woman, you are taught/realise from an early age to spot danger. Ordinarily, if you saw a man in a mask and you were on your own you would ‘run’. I lived in central London, and if I sensed anyone within my space (instinctively as a town girl, always look over my shoulder), I crossed the road, called husband, anything to get out of the way. Had a very scary experience when approached by a tramp in London – I was very pregnant and huge, and couldn’t run – never felt so vulnerable.
Totally understand, and I’ve had a fair few close calls too, very, very scary. And only a man could have invented the multi storey carpark, I’d honestly rather not go anywhere, than use them, hate them, every floor I trundle up for a space, I’m worrying about the scary stairwell coming down! I think all humans communicate mostly non verbally, we are signalling all the time that we are safe, want to cooperate, we are minding our own business, that’s why our instincts kick in instantly if something is incongruous, we might not even be able to say what the visual cue was, but we know it’s there. The tube must be hell right now, London is a pretty ruthless town at the best of times. After Worboys, even the saying ‘a black cab is a girl’s best friend’ rings a little hollow! Sexual assault in Japan on public transport is endemic already, I’ve read about that too.
I thought it wouldn’t be long before the moaning, virtue-signalling, feminist agitators found their way on here. Everything’s the fault of men according to you lot. Thankfully, real women have no truck with this crap. And it’s “victim”, not “survivor”.
My Dutch friends messaged me today telling me that their FB group “No to 1.5 Metre ” 171,000 members has just been shut down they are regrouping through several different groups to try to keep the numbers under the radar ,the powers that be are certainly trying to keep opposition under control
Censorship is rife. Good on them
UN estimates that up to 10,000 children are dying a month due to hunger caused by coronavirus restrictionsIn life years lost, a hunger death is worth around ~70 COVID-19 deaths So in a single month, lockdowns reduce life by more than COVID-19 reduced it in eight months.Perhaps WHO should have consulted other UN org before recommending lockdowns in Africa?Any comments MSM investigating left wing journalism?
”Any comments MSM investigating left wing journalism?”
Presumably the MSM feel those black lives don’t matter so much
What ‘left wing’ journalism?
Well you could start with the state-funded broadcaster, the BBC, which is generally recognised as openly left-wing in the sympathies of its staff, and then run through most of the mainstream broadcasters and even the newspapers, whose journalists and editors are majority Labour/LibDem supporters even when their owners and official policy positions are not, or objectively left-wing in their political sympathies (supporters of collective healthcare, welfarism, internationalism, climate alarmism, political correctness etc)..
This kind of thing is why I’m so sick of the so called “left wing” media now (and, increasingly, the parties they support). The direct consequences of lockdowns etc. in developed countries are more than bad enough. The consequences (including indirect ones from the worldwide economic slump) in the Third World will likely dwarf even Neil Ferguson’s doom-mongering predictions for the effects of Covid-19.
what ‘journalism’?
Most of it.
Is there a way of tapping into the BLM movement to get them on board in a ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’ way?
Problem is the BLM like masks to mask their identity while they peacfully demonstrate. Also havn’t heard much from BLM about slave markets in Lybia buying/selling black people for $200-500 each, so not much evidence African black lives matter too much to them.
I wouldn’t. It’s run by Marxists, and they have scant regard for people’s lives of any colour. If they did, they’d be more concerned about the slavery that’s going on today and not the slavery that ended hundreds of years ago.
Just trying to think pragmatically. We are very much in the minority in case anyone hasn’t already noticed. Knowledge production is written by the victors. Unless you want to be forever labelled a crank and conspiracy theorist then there is work to be done….
The BLM are my enemy. A thuggish movement based on outright lies, pushing harmful dogmas on gullible fools and promoting mob violence.
If they aren’t your enemy you should investigate them further, imo.
Mark – I think you’ve missed my point
I don’t think so, we just disagree about the extremity of loathsomeness of BLM. My point is they aren’t just a neutral group that can be befriended tactically. In many ways they are far worse than the coronapanickers. If forced to choose I’m not sure which way I’d jump, tbh. Fortunately I don’t have to choose – I despise them both.
Think Soviet Russia and the US uniting against Nazism. Both despise each other but job done.
Anyway… it was just an idea/comment
That’s fair enough. Disagreement and debate is healthy. It’s suppressing dissenting opinions like the leftists choose to do that’s problematic.
This was all predicted months ago:
https://www.tfp.org/the-most-monumental-social-engineering-and-ideological-transshipment-effort-in-history/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria&utm_campaign=TFP200508m+-+Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria
“The Most Monumental Social Engineering and Ideological Transshipment Effort in History
April 26, 2020
Bolstered by Mass Hysteria and
Vatican Support
If the Guinness Book of Records were to track the most senseless attitude possible, the award would probably go to someone who committed suicide for fear of dying.
The global result [of the economic shutdowns] will be an exponential increase in extreme poverty. “I see no historical equivalent to the threat that COVID-19 poses to the most vulnerable populations,” said Robin Guittard, Oxfam campaign manager in France.29 In a study released on April 8, researchers at King’s College London and the National University of Australia predict that the pandemic could bring extreme poverty to half a billion of the planet’s inhabitants, destroying the progress made in the past three decades.30
The Increase in Deaths From Hunger in Poor Countries Will Be Much Greater Than That of COVID-19 Victims
The consequences of this exponential increase in poverty on the health of impoverished populations will be disastrous. Even the World Health Organization, the biggest promoter of strict stay-at-home measures, recognizes that there is a close link between extreme poverty and poor health. In a study published in conjunction with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, it recognizes the obvious, namely, that “The poor suffer worse health and die younger. They have higher than the average child and maternal mortality, higher levels of disease, and more limited access to health care and social protection.”31
Consequently, more than 3.42 million people died of hunger in the first months of 2020, a daily average of 30,800 deaths. That is, almost five times more than the global number of deaths by COVID-19 on April 5, the day registering the highest number of fatalities (6,367 victims) worldwide so far.
The World Food Program predicts that the loss of tourism revenues, the decrease in remittances and travel and other restrictions related to the coronavirus pandemic will double the number of poor people suffering from acute hunger, adding 130 million to the approximately 135 million already existing in that category. “‘COVID-19 is potentially catastrophic for millions who are already hanging by a thread,’ said Arif Husain, chief economist and director of research, assessment, and monitoring at the World Food Programme (WFP).”32 David Beasly, WFP Executive Director, exclaimed in an interview with The Guardian: “Now, my goodness, this is a perfect storm. We are looking at widespread famines of biblical proportions.”33”
There’s a lot more to this article, which is too long to post in full here.
This was known from the start, publicized by Oxfam and the World Bank, and visible to anyone who cared when Primark cancelled its orders in Bangladesh.
No one cared.
It wasn’t even mentioned in the experts and ministerial sessions in Germany (SAGE/COBRA equivalent) or in TV talk shows, even though they were also attended by the country’s foremost ethics professors, with one of them, Mrs Woopen, even being the head of the European ethics council.
Those people cared the least about deaths in the 3rd world through our lockdowns, their sole concern was and is that there are no different rules for the older or vulnerable people than for the rest, which is also why they were and are so opposed to the Swedish approach, although a former head of the protestant church and many other people endorsed that approach instead.
I have therefore come to the
conclusion that she and they are
merely existing to legitimize racism.
Yorkshire Live: Takeaway in Scarborough put up sign banning customers from wearing face masks.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/takeaway-scarbororugh-put-up-sign-18676583
Report the shop for a discrimination offence!
Brilliant!
Wonderful!
Sadly clearly got at by the mob of state-worshipping, fear-driven busybodies:
“Mamma Mia’s were contacted for a comment but hung up the phone after saying that the sign had been taken down.”
We do not have the numbers yet to protect such businesses.
Shame
But at least they have signalled to the public that they will not be enforcing muzzles!
Been to Waitrose Sudbury earlier. The doorman asked ‘do you have a mask’. Said ‘no’. Started the lecture ‘you might not know it but since last Friday you are required to wear a mask….’ Told him that I am staggered that he did not presume that I was exempt. That I regard this as harassment and discrimination and that it is not for me to provide him with any details.
Well done Waitrose, you shop is eerily empty today not sure how you are going to compete with Amazon groceries and other online retailers. Used to buy all my wine from Waitrose, now from an online wine merchant. Also buying other groceries from realfoods.co.uk
“Well done Waitrose, you shop is eerily empty today”
Precisely the observation made by my partner yeterday.
Waitrose is definitely one of the bad guys with regard to their approach to masks. They are in breach of the government regs. when their staff even question you. Check this out:
http://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf
I went into Sainsburys (Otley) last night and all they have is a notice that says:
‘Would customers please wear a face covering if possible’
Once inside there is no staff questioning at all. The wonderful bonus was that there was even a Tannoy announcement asking for understanding toward customers who were not wearing a face covering.
Very impressed by Sainsburys—take your business there.
I intend to write to Waitrose today about their awful policy (my local branch is the same) as I have done in recent days to Bettys (Harrogate) and Waterstones (Harrogate) both of whom breach government regulations in their approach to mask wearing.
sainsbury’s here i come then! It will be my first venture into the zombie land of shopping this week!
to be honest everyone wearing masks just freaks me out, and feel as if in a parallel universe. I could handle oneway systems etc (just) but masks are just crazy.
I’ve printed out the exemption form from the government’s site from brian’s post above and will put in purse if challenged.
What’s the Co-op’s policy like? They’re the nearest large(ish) supermarket to my home, after my local corner shop who are rather intimidatingly pro-mask (long before it was mandatory)
I couldn’t say about the co-op. The only way is to test the water. If you are a member of the ‘awkward squad’ like me you will just go in and take it from there (always courteous of course). If you are nervous and cannot stand going against the crowd even though you know it’s all rubbish take the way that doesn’t make you feel stressed. We’re all different and we’re all negotiating this minefield in our own way.
I was told last week by one of their checkout girls that they’d been instructed to wear masks themselves, unless they were behind screens, but not to challenge any customers not wearing them. There was some correspondence posted here yesterday suggesting they might have shifted a little to “advising” maskless customers, but still no enforcement I think.
Anyway I’ve continued to shop at my local co-op and been in maskless several times since Friday and had no approaches from the staff.
I had absolutely no problem there in SW London, and I wasn’t alone in wearing no mask.
Tide is changing? Now from the Director CDC Robert Redfield,US
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/micaelaburrow/2020/07/28/redfield-says-more-abovebase-suicides-than-covid-deaths-n2573278
Center for Disease Control Director Robert Redfield testified in a Buck Institute webinar that suicides and drug overdoses have surpassed the death rate for COVID-19. Redfield argued that lockdowns and lack of public schooling constituted a disproportionally negative impact on young peoples’ mental health.“We’re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from COVID. We’re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose that are above excess that we had as background than we are seeing the deaths from COVID,” he said.
Where Redfield obtained his data is unknown, although a doctor at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, CA claimed the facility has “seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.” He did not say how many deaths occurred, or whether the statement was exaggerated for emphasis. “What I have seen recently, I have never seen before,” Hansen said. “I have never seen so much intentional injury,” said a nurse from the same hospital.
However final statistics for suicide and drug overdose is due 2021 or 2022.But I think Robert Redfield knows some very bad data already, therefore his sudden conviction that US schools must reopen despite the Unions and the MSM.
No sh*it Sherlock.
To be expected, just as the extra cancer and cardio deaths.
But they were and are ‘worth’ only a fraction of each Corona death, which is of course completely unethical and just sick.
The Americanfrontlinedoctors material is extremely cogent and it is scary how much Big Pharma is doing to undermine Hydroxychloroquine- a safe drug in use widely, over the counter in lots of places since the 1800s. The frontline doctors website has been hacked/taken down. Their video may still be available on Breitbart. Naturally the BBC’s line on the doctors is “Trump again backs controversial dangerous drug”, i.e. nothing to see here, Trump is mad and bad. Great work BBC.
Sky news now reporting, ”when there is a second wave….” – it is coming/being fabricate for definite now.
All the bedwetters will have their free flu jabs and if, like in 2017/18 (see link below), it is ineffective we could possibly have the corrupt media in hospitals this winter filming the anual flu chaos in hospitals falsely claiming it is a covid 2nd wave and ”can’t be flu because of mass free flu vaccination”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/30/winter-deaths-hit-highest-level-40-years-experts-blame-ineffective/
”Ineffective flu jab blamed as extra winter deaths hit 40-year high”
”There were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017/18 – the highest recorded since winter 1975/76, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.”
And it will all be our fault, you wouldn’t wear gloves, you went to Spain and stayed fat…
yes, I’m guilty of all of them….
I’ve been wondering what will happen once the flu season starts. Will we be expected to treat it with the same maximum-safety approach as Covid (back to masks and distancing) or, more likely, are flu hospital cases and deaths going to be diagnosed as Covid? That certainly happened in March and April (pneumonia etc. as well), and it could be an easy way of manufacturing a “second wave”…
Small victory to report here in France.
Click&collect (‘Drive’ in France) at Intermarche, our preferred supermarket, involves going into the store to ask at reception, so face nappy required since 20 July.
Not willing to muzzle up, last week we drove 20 km further to the Leclerc hypermarket, which has an external ‘Drive’ delivery point.
This week Intermarche sent me a customer survey.
I told them I was very happy but regretfully was unlikely to go back until the muzzles regulations are relaxed.
Very polite email reply – “…completely understand, can’t do anything about the law but as long as these regulations are in force please phone the store when you arrive and we’ll bring your shopping out to the car park.”
Result!
On our last visit (before 20.07.) only about a third of shoppers were muzzled.
Be interesting to see how many antimaskers there are this week.
There’s quite a hefty fine for not complying, so probably won’t be many.
Last week, after the regs came into force, supermarket and shop car parks were unusually empty, not least because it’s the tourist season.
Most noticeable was Gifi, a shop selling
tat(oops!) er, things you didn’t know you needed until you get there.Normally very busy – only a handful of cars.
Back in sunny London our nearest Sainsburys Local in Wandsworth continues to be very quiet even though Sainsburys, as evidenced by a number of LS contributors. is one of the most relaxed about masks. Normally on a day like this there would be easily a dozen people waiting to go in, this week I have not had to queue on any day to enter. Clearly the mandatory masks are putting off shoppers.
I’ve heard a Sainsbury’s ad a few time on classic FM that’s not actually an ad, just a request for customers to wear masks. Reaction to mask mob saying don’t shop there, when they were one of the first stores to say their staff would not be enforcing the rule ?
Update:
Just been to collect the shopping.
Phoned from and was met in the car park, which was much emptier than two weeks ago.
Only snag was that their credit card terminal uses bluetooth and so won’t work outside the store.
The staff member just told me to follow him into reception (‘don’t worry about not having a mask’) to pay. No problems – didn’t even notice any dirty looks.
The shop was VERY quiet – only a handful of shoppers (all masked, mostly below the nose though) and only one till in operation instead of the usual 3 or so on a midweek afternoon.
With 30 or so staff to pay, they must be a long way from making any profit.
This is the link to the governments official mask exemptions that can be downloaded and printed
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
There is one for mobile phones one for a badge and one for a card.
Exemption cards or badgesSome people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
This is a personal choice, and is not necessary in law.
If you would like to use an exemption card you can use the PDF attachments on this page.
Those who have an age, health or disability reason to not wear a face covering should not be routinely asked to provide any written evidence of this. Written evidence includes exemption cards.
What is significant about these official mask exemptions.
All the they say is . “I am exempt from wearing a face covering”
“Be kind. Keep your distance. Thank you for understanding”
They do not ask your name or sex or date of birth or age or why you want them.
The government guidance says that you do not even need an exemption card.
2.The cards do not have any serial number.
3.They do not say they are from the government
4.They do not reference any law or guidance
5.They do not give a reason why someone is exempt
6.They look less official than the unofficial cards you can get
7.They even say you can make a home made sign.
would one feel happy with such an anonymous card.
I am not aware of the government issuing guidance to shops or security to respect these exemption cards or anyone not wearing a face covering.
The message is you could be find £100 or refused service or travel
So yet another contradictory policy
I’ve said this before, but this (and other freely available exemption cards along the same lines), together with the fact that the only kind of certification is self-certification and the fact that the categories for exemptions are so broad that virtually anybody could consider themselves to be exempt if they want to, show that the government isn’t the slightest bit interested in whether or not people actually wear face masks and recognises that the whole thing is a farce.
Entering shops mask-less is becoming easier and easier. After some initial reticence, once you’ve got a few cornershops, offies and post offices under your belt, it’s all a doddle from there.
Matt, Brian, Tom: Good points all. Brian, the ‘guidance to shops or security’ is actually in what you have posted.
Thing is shops are not looking at the actual law or guidance, they are just making it up, based on two words: mandatory masks.
I think it all goes back to the same old thing, the stroppy shops are only really worried about the cost of someone possibly sueing them – even though they are not looking at the actual law!
I think I am going to be able to go bareface soon without even giving it a 2nd thought.
I wish I could agree with you. They know it’s a farce, of course, but they want broad compliance to cover up their lies. And from my limited observations they are getting that. If compliance drops to a point where it’s being heavily reported on MSM, they will ramp up the propaganda, start fining people etc.
Through all this shitshow, it has basically been “expect the unexpected”.Or certainly, “anything is possible – however absurd”.
I think the expect broad compliance because recent experience tells them they will get broad compliance. Personally I’m torn between the idea that they want to keep things abnormal to cover up their mistake and the idea that they mandated them because public opinion, as conveyed by MSM and social media was telling them that’s what they should do. Currently I’m inclined towards the latter.
It’s both. And one begets the other. In perpetuity.
I’m with Fari on that one – as a general rule, in my experience, a major policy adopted by government usually has multiple lobbies/arguments pushing in the same direction.
Yes, I also agree. I’ve long thought this about the Iraq war for example. We like to think it’s one thing, either the official narrative, or pick one of the alternatives, like oil. In reality, there are probably half a dozen, or more, major lobbying groups all wanting the same thing for different reasons.
Exactly, the Iraq War is one of my favourite examples – no one lobby could create that policy and push it through, it required multiple interest groups pushing in the same direction – an alignment of malign interests.
In this case we are talking about arguments in favour of a policy rather than lobbies but the same principle applies, mutatis mutandis.
I can’t see how they can fine people, unless they make medical certificates mandatory.
Which poses an unnecessary Corona infection risk through the visit to the GP and data protection issues, I guess.
I made this point a week or two ago
Sorted!
No one who is enlightened and as such dares to think for himself will wear a mask under these circumstances.
Just tells you how few still are.
Yes, this must be true. If there was a genuine public health danger in people entering indoor public places with their mouths and noses uncovered, a danger which the government had received advice on, then the government is being highly reckless in allowing the regulations mandating the wearing of masks being so easily circumvented. So we can be sure that it is just a gesture to appease public opinion. We are being lied to when told it is a public health measure.
The Austrian chancellor just admitted it’s mainly symbolic.
In Austria, Germany etc. you have to have a medical certificate and the guards demand to see them upon entry.
The guards love their jobs and new found importance, but then they have practice and a reputation for that over there.
The upshot is that those certificates are then valid across the EU.
I can’t see them or the French accepting this UK badge, but I’ll try it in a few weeks and will report back.
Reminds me of 1980’s Interail, guards of many nations passing down the train demanding ‘Papers Please’, show them the corner of a battered UK passport and it’s ‘yeah wotever: next!’
Sorry if that sounds a bit Brexity but it’s how it was.
Source for info re Austrian chancellor? Not doubting your info, it would just be interesting to hear exactly what he said!
Exactly
They want us fighting in the supermarket aisles about who is and who isn’t exempt to keep us distracted from what they are up to.
Forgot the last bit, if they refuse you entry or travel after you have said you are exempt because of disability they become guilty of discrimination.
Is this right?
You can obtain an “exemption card” by going online and downloading one – correct?
You certify yourself – correct?
But you don’t have to show it anyone?
If all the above are correct one can’t be fined because all you have to say is I’m exempt. I’ve decided myself that I am.
Mr. Plod will, though, will have to arrest for this is tested
If plod arrest you for not wearing a nappy they are potentially guilty of discrimination against a disabled person with hidden disabilities – minefield….
Great, isn’t it? The whole campaign is utterly flawed.
I think they are wanting high compliance, but at the same time carefully protecting themselves against future court cases (and prosecutions) by making everything ‘guidelines’. Whilst at the same time using the media to promote them as law (to get compliance)…
I can only imagine (in the sense that I have no expert knowledge) that any attempt to enforce such a regulation by means of a fixed penalty notice – which one refuses, of course – and prosecution through the Court would be exceedingly hard for the police to pursue as there appear to be so many pitfalls _for the prosecutor_.
mr plod will attempt to fine you if you have not already fled the shop. He can probably arrest you if continue to attempt to buy stuff AND refuse to identify yourself (bear in mind that it still not a requirement in this country to carry ID unless you are driving a motor vehicle).
You refuse to pay the fine on the grounds of Reasonable Excuse so the case goes to Court, already 6 months adrift due to the Covid/Lockdown
Thanks for link – downloaded a few copies to have in my purse if needed!
You’re right that there isn’t any government signage or anything. Very wide open and maybe that’s intentional?
You don’t need a badge, your just exempt as you want to avoid harm or distress to yourself and others. That’s it, nothing to prove to anybody.
If Swedens strategy failed then why are countries opening up to be “more like Sweden” every day?
There is no way that Swedens approach can be legitimised. What can they do that’s different? Make mandatory mask wearing the deligitimiser.
Everyone who is paying attention knows that Sweden’s strategy didn’t fail. They need to open countries up a bit in order not to wreck the economy – at least that is my reading. The Tories want to be re-elected and they can’t do that if the economy is utterly screwed (well, more screwed than it already is). Masks are a convenient way if explaining away the lack of a second wave as we open up. They cannot afford to simply say it’s all over. That’s my take, anyway.
Reelection is far off.
They have no competition on the right.
The whole country and the vast majority of their supporters have become super-bedwetters.
They have nothing to gain electorally by readopting common sense and reembracing liberties and freedom.
They know that, and that’s why they sold out these values and us people who cherish them, why we are where we are and will stay for years, unless something very, very significant changes.
Exactly.
Makes sense, PM was going on about the many 100,000 lives saved by the great incarceration which was obvious nonsense. (Peak deaths 8 April hence peak infection 16 March hence no significant effect)
Picture feels like I’m looking at a flower meadow through soros eyes.
Until there’s a ‘ceasefire’ and the summer of love can continue.
One of my favourite books/films. From my perspective, Ralph represents the skeptics.
Lord of the Flieshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies
At an allegorical level, the central theme is the conflicting human impulses toward civilisation and social organisation—living by rules, peacefully and in harmony—and toward the will to power. Themes include the tension between groupthink and individuality, between rational and emotional reactions, and between morality and immorality.
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The semblance of order quickly deteriorates as the majority of the boys turn idle; they give little aid in building shelters, spend their time having fun and begin to develop paranoias about the island. The central paranoia refers to a supposed monster they call the “beast”, which they all slowly begin to believe exists on the island. Ralph insists that no such beast exists, but Jack, who has started a power struggle with Ralph, gains a level of control over the group by boldly promising to kill the creature. At one point, Jack summons all of his hunters to hunt down a wild pig, drawing away those assigned to maintain the signal fire. A ship travels by the island, but without the boys’ smoke signal to alert the ship’s crew, the vessel continues without stopping. Ralph angrily confronts Jack about his failure to maintain the signal; in frustration Jack assaults Piggy, breaking one of the lenses of his glasses. The boys subsequently enjoy their first feast. Angered by the failure of the boys to attract potential rescuers, Ralph considers relinquishing his position as leader, but is persuaded not to do so by Piggy, who both understands Ralph’s importance and fears what will become of him should Jack take total control.
My latest issue of Private Eye has landed this morning, I can see (both in this issue and previous) MD is having something of a battle with themselves. They can see somethings not quite right, but clearly by their nature want to be on the ‘right side’ and they believe the right side to be the panicky ‘if it saves one life’ type.
They start this week with ‘The cover up’ which points out there is no evidence masks work, but then says ‘Masks are being introduced on the back of observational studies, rather than RCTs… Just as we dont have RCT proof that eye protection, social distancing etc work’. Instead of then taking the logical position of ‘so we should not be mandating these things’ they opt for ‘We need largescale trials of masks and Sars-CoV-2 spread’
Second block is ‘Logic failure’ where they point out the ridiculousness of the mask mandate and it’s lack of consistency (shops indoors, banks, not restaurants etc) vs countries that just impose them everywhere. Again they acknowledge risks of masks not being used right, how poor people cant afford them, but they fail to address issue of effectiveness of types of masks, the likelihood of them ever being used right or their negative side effects for many. In fact, they claim ‘masks do not reduce your oxygen saturation’ – I don’t believe this is proven, especially given the variety of materials being used, so is a bold thing to claim.
All in all, each week it feels like MD is on the cusp of a realisation (I recall one issue a few back where they addressed that people should be able to assess their own risk, but then nothing on that since) about Covid-19, the over-reaction, what’s _right_ vs what ‘s _wrong_, but then they force themselves to virtue signal / go the panicky route, just cos they don’t want to face reality. Throwaway comments like ‘The governments target of deaths below 20,000 was undone not just by late lockdown…’ somehow sit side by side with ‘the prevalence of corona is now so low…’
Frustrating, as I rely on Private Eye to give totally unbiased investigative views on things, they’ve done well, as usual, to point out the business corruption involved (when pointing out GSK/Astrazeneca are involved in both Pillar2 testing AND developing vaccines they’ll make money off if needed) and the shit-ness of our politicians, but have really failed to look pragmatically at lockdowns, the stripping of liberties and so on.
They do at least have a funny cartoon in MD this issue of captioned ‘I said, isn’t it GREAT things are back to normal’ under the cartoon of 2 masked men attempted to shout at each other through masks whilst distanced in a pub.
Private Eye has long since become an organ of the Establishment. Sadly.
I’d very strongly disagree with that, and sometimes people too quick to label anything they don’t like the content of as ‘MSM’ or ‘Establishment’ – Private Eye is one of the very few places you can find the government & big business being held to account – _usually_ – on Covid they have been poor, no doubt.
Some aspects of government and big business, as has been clearly illustrated by their enthusiastic embrace of the coronapanic. Not the politically correct ones, generally, except in the most extreme and obviously absurd cases.
Generally, people on the establishment left like the way Private Eye has drifted, while conservatives, traditionalists and right wingers don’t.
“Some aspects” makes it even worse. if you have seen them taking the establishment to account on most matters – as private eye have done, the assumption is that they will do this consistently and so what they report on all matters is correct .. BBC were the same – they were once seen as being generally unbiased.. Now if i read a BBC weather report i will look out of the window to check ..
Both Hislop and Johnson picked for stardom at Oxford, a terrible curse.
A single mother on a limited income told me she had to spend £15 on 3 masks for her and her 2 children (5 and 7) to be able to go to the supermarket. As a result she had to cut down on groceries for this month. She assumed masks were for children over 3 as she heard that you should not put masks on children under 3 as it is a chocking hazard. She also has mask anxiety issues.
So grateful when I told her about the exemption and also that masks are advised for children over 11.
Phew, you should tell her she is EXEPMT, just like everybody else is.
https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1288092744338956290/photo/1
Fascinating result from Mumbai seroprevalence study. 57% seroprevalence in slums 16% in non slums. Study period first two weeks in July. 6936 samples. Abbot test. IFR must be incredibly low0.05-0.1%. Absolute majority of cases asymptomatic. How many millions in Mumbai? Best not to put them on worldometer!.Welcome to reality, all senior epidemiologists. Do you really think you can stop this with track and test, contact trace or masks?
Consistent with seroprevalence results in poor parts of New York.
Visited a local independent coffee shop. Very relaxed, unfortunately just before finishing my coffee one of the staff came to the table with a clipboard requesting that I should complete my details. Told her No as it is voluntary according to the Government – she had no clue. These people try their best without knowing the regulations properly.
The more scary part of the visit was the local reverend that arrived in a black mask and black ‘priest outfit’ – did not know they still wear these things. The previous reverend wore normal clothes. Men should not wear black masks as it is extremely menacing.
He then proceeded to ask the person behind the counter why she did not have a mask on and then lectured her on the value of wearing a mask.
The other alternative, and to save yourself any hassle, is to give a false name and ‘phone number. Make one up as your non de plume and try and keep a straight face as you say it.
I find there is a certain pleasure in giving information that is nothing short of garbage. In fact I have reached a point now where I am disappointed if I am NOT ASKED for my details because it deprives me of an opportunity to add to the great pile of misinformation out there. If the ‘Guvment’ are insistent in giving us lies and crap it gives me a certain satisfaction to reply with same.
Perhaps ask if the pen and book are covid-safe. Italicise the word safe please.
It’s illegal to give a false name, so if you’re tracked it could be a problem.
Legally you are allowed to refuse permission for them to forward your data to T&T, therefore there’s no reason for them to collect your details in the first place.
If they get stroppy, ask to see a copy of their Data Protection Impact Assessment (DPIA).
Bearing in mind the Guvment’s track and trace methods are non existent (it’s all fear porn) and bearing in mind I do not have a ‘smart’ phone and have a ficticious phone number as well, could you explain to me how on earth I could be tracked?
If you haven’t paid with cash – depends how determined they are though. I know it’s all basically a lot of noise on the part of HMG.
Establishments are not allowed to use booking data to enter into the track and trace register.
I don’t think it is illegal to give a false name, there is no obligation for anybody to verify that you have given the correct details. Or for the person giving the details to verify them. Its also voluntary. So its academic anyway, volunteer not to give your details.
I’m Matt Handjob wherever I go now. Probably the closest I’ll ever get to being trans.
Black masks on a rev. Is he trying to look cool – it is clearly an unwelcoming appearance. Even a cowboy bandana is more friendly.
are you sure he was a reverend and not just a flasher hiding his identity
Reinforces my feeling about the utter malignity of the modern mainstream Christian churches, especially CoE. It’s long been a vehicle for pushing political correctness and leftist zealotry in general and seems to have seamlessly shifted to pushing the coronapanic in the most fanatical and fundamentally dishonest or culpably ignorant ways (as you describe here).
Something to do with the kinds of people attracted into the church over the past generation or two, clearly..
If he truly believed in God he would not need a mask. What a charlatan.
Hmm, I’m pretty sure (regardless of this reverend’s beliefs) that God does NOT believe in the C of E; how could He with Welby ‘in charge’?
I see the ghastly WHO are now targeting young people for some ConVid caning. Is there nothing that isn’t targeted for crushing under the ConVid juggernaut.? Time for a real backlash , surely….
The WHO – I saw them described recently as the World Hell Organisation. That about sums them up.
World Death Organisation.
WORLD BASTARD ORGANISATION
Yesterday, someone posted a picture of anti mask poster they had seen in Brighton(?)
Does anyone have an image of it please? I can`t find the comment.
Think it was Lewes (? spelling). I saved the image and will try and find it and post link.
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/024035699373/media/1673487085240474/medium/1595961697/enhance?fbclid=IwAR0bX-PBwvU0uVHfTcpKPXzFT6DT1DM6_yZXnSvLqRCUEAm2mKlVXdeqDlA#
Many thanks Gillian!
Thank you very much to all who replied to my post of earlier today. Feeling much better after reading all your replies. When I have a mental wobble about all this, it is always so much worse in the morning and gets better as the day progresses, and so it is today. I have been greatly helped and supported by this online community. Too much helpful content in the replies to absorb in such a short period of time, so I will print out to read and re-read as needed. Thanks again.
YAY!
Maybe this is Boris’ plan to escape his certain fate.
Declare a scary second wave… it doesn’t happen… because we had masks… which were his idea… he’s a hero!
Except Spains ”second wave” occurred after masks made mandatory pretty much everywhere…..
Everything is being driven by conclusion bias: Masks work because Asians wear them and they did better than us, so we should wear them, too.
Then it’s just necessary to ignore anything that contradicts this.
Asians from the far east have, as Prince Phillip put it, slanty eyes. They also eat a lot of soy sauce. The same logic applies. They did better than us so we should all put soy sauce on our cornflakes and pull our eyelids
It would have been worse without masks. The new science rests on statements that cannot be falsified. Second dark age.
Except Spain aren’t really having a second wave as far as I can see.
hence these ” ”
Clearly not
Warning about the return of the Daily Brainwash.
No 10 to advertise for spokesperson to front planned daily TV press briefings
Downing Street will today be posting an online advert for the new spokesperson post it is creating for the person who will take the daily televised press briefings it plans to start holding in the autumn. According to the Daily Telegraph (paywall), the advert will say No 10 is looking for “an experienced and confident media operator who would enjoy working on camera and with senior ministers, political advisers, officials and journalists; who would relish the challenge and pace of televised briefings, and who has a strong grasp of foreign and domestic policy issues”. And it will say:
You will represent the government and the prime minister to an audience of millions on a daily basis, across the main broadcast channels and social media, and have the chance to influence and shape public opinion.
You will speak directly to the public on the issues they care most about, explaining the government’s position, reassuring people that we are taking action on their priorities and driving positive changes.
Missed the paragraph ” You must have no conscience, no common sense, and be able to lie convincingly and keep a straight face whilst explaining the government’s position”
Beat me to it!
and lying through your teeth!
Mason Mills wrote about this on his new Patreon site. I do not know who is but he certainly knows stuff before it is released and it is not all it seems. Loads of interesting stuff on there such as how long masks will be for etc. but condition of joining is confidentiality. I recommend joining as you can can cancel at anytime.
Can you summarise some stuff here – e.g. how long a face nappies on the agenda for?
Probably the same answer as ‘how long is a piece of string’ would elicit! Except that it will definitely be longer than even most muzzle-zealots wish to see.
“ condition of joining is confidentiality”. That makes me very suspicious indeed. Attention-seeking, money-making. Nothing good can come of this, surely, whether or not it is someone truly “in the know” or just pretending. If they are not in the know, they are a fraud, if they are then they are one of the guilty.
It is not a condition but an ask as could compromise source. I am prepared to risk it for a month or two and to be fair, the info so far is very interesting and before made public.
I would have thought profiting from privileged information as a government employee would be gross misconduct and instant dismissal – it would in my firm, and rightly so. If it’s whistleblowing then you don’t charge for it and you reveal it to journalists or some other interested body, in the public interest. Sounds like a wind-up to me. If there are people close to the top, they are guilty, unless they can demonstrate they are working from within to end this evil.
True, but whoever he is, he has been right about everything which has to make you wonder if he is an authorised ‘leak’… Remember he posted at the beginning of April that mask advice would change..
Well there is the risk of confirmation bias if he makes lots of predictions, but it does seem likely it’s an “approved leak” source.
Before he locked his Twitter account, MM was posting that 1. The Oxford Covid vaccine would be used as leverage for a Brexit deal and 2. From August the migrant taxi service from France would stop.
Today it seems the government have bought far more of GSK’s Covid vaccine than the UK population need – will we be selling this to the EU as opposed to the Oxford vaccine?
He also hinted that the mask policy would only be for 8-10 weeks…
Will be interesting to see the accuracy of these MM tweets in the next month or so….
Oh yes, and he also said action is planned as regards tackling the BBC, but not what. Hints too re Sadiq Kahn, but that was a while ago and nothing has happened…
I suspect the BBC has been too useful in this coronapanic to be dealt with properly now, although perhaps there will be some personal animus from the Cummings issue that might lead to action eventually.
Could be an “approved leak”. Reprehensible, in my view.
I agree. Fits with our cynical, manipulative, post-democratic zeitgeist, though.
Can you at least say if this ‘interesting’ information that MM is posting is good news or bad for us?
Yes, you have to wonder if he is storing people’s IP numbers… We know DC is into AI and using data/statistics..
I opted for Gold Membership i.e. 18 a month hoping to get insight into travel corridors and potential quarantine changes etc. as would be very useful for my business. I have sent him an email regarding this but no answer as of yet.
Benefits:
Did think about the tracking etc. but behind VPN and more just spectator than raising sceptical views.
Some of the subjects:
Mandatory Masks – For How Long
BBC to Fall – Timeline for Action
Head of Comms vs. MSM
Oldham Lockdown and Labour Games
Ooo, I was hoping someone from here would join and tell us what he says, now that he has locked his Twitter account. What level of membership do you have? The one where you can send emails and be guaranteed a reply? As you say, he does seem to have inside info – which can be good (if he says what we want to hear) or not…
I did see someone comment on Guido that they think he is either a government-approved ‘leak’, to bypass the MSM, or a group of people, possibly some who do not entirely approve of Boris/Cummings..
What else does MM have to say? I do understand the confidentiality bit, but there are no ‘cheap’ memberships left and I cannot afford 18 quid a month.. Can we not groupfund a membership?
It would be interesting to have some truthful insights into what these bastards are plotting, but no-one is going to be sharing those. Anything coming out like this that is “public” will just be more spin, lies and bullshit. I think we should ignore it.
He certainly has some good sources (inside cabinet I’d say). Think he’s a Cummings approved leak in some way, even if he isn’t Cummings himself.
I’m available. I can guarantee high ratings while explaining the government’s policy to the populace. However, I might be replaced after one session.
The salary is £100,000 – yet more money wasted…
Phillip Schofield?
Gordon the Gopher
Gordon would at least be amusing!
It may as well be the Downing Street cat – for all the rationality it will bring – with or without Co Vid. I fear they’re actually enjoying this governing by edict and with no accountability. Why would they want it to end?
How about a vaccine against Government; pending which could we please put Government in lockdown?
Of course early-developed vaccines often have serious effects on their recipients. Still, no pain, no gain!
WHO Standard Scientific Analysis of the Effect of Face Masks on Heart Rate
Right, finally got around to testing this today as I had earlier mentioned I would. Based on heart rate information from the last 3 months of walking back from the supermarket with approximately 15kg of shopping (beer weighs a lot) over 1.2km with ~30metres elevation gain the highest peak heart I can see recorded was 125bpm.
Today, the peak heart rate was 140bpm, this occurred twice, once upon immediately leaving the supermarket (possibly a factor of putting my ruksack) before dropping back down to 120-125 and then peaking at 140bpm again upon reaching the highest part of the walk back.
One final point: today was quite cool and not particularly humid thanks to a rather pleasnt breeze. It was only about 16C here. A lot of the recent weather has been warmer and a lot more humid with the amount of rain we’ve had. I’ll try again to get some more data points, preferably when it’s hotter and more humid.
For reference, 140bpm is what I see when fell walking, although it does get about 10bpm higher during steep climbs in the Lake District.
The increase is not enough to alarm me personally (meaning, it’s not putting me in any immediate risk) as I’ve seen my heart rate hit 180 during very tough hill climbs on my bike, but I think the simple point that this is causing my heart to put in an extra 10% work load for absolutely no good reason is absurd.
I was also wearing a crappy throw away not well-fitting mask.
It might make you fitter, like that documentary that showed cyclist Chris Boardman training in a hypoxic chamber he made out of one of his kid’s bedrooms.
Not making any specific allegation against Boardman but I should point out there was and still is a need for all pro-cyclists to have a narrative to explain their extremely uniformly high red blood cell counts.
LOL, indeed.
I can see why athletes do this kind of training, particularly to prepare for high altitudes, but they’ll be doing it with full monitoring from physios and doctors and from position of being fitter than 99%+ of the population
We’ve some decent weather coming up, and I’m going to jump on my bike. There is a reason I will not conduct this experiment again then.
Thanks. This is very descriptive. Repeatable too. 15kg to the bottom of the hill and back would begin to establish a data set… you’re welcome!
I’ll make it my daily exercise plan!
https://twitter.com/Pollemann1/status/1288357182338142209/photo/1
Look at this graph from Argentina with lockdown date followed by mask date. To be shown to politicians.“Due to seasonality, they had enough time to prepare, to take the right measures and so on… Seems a virus does what it does and decision makers live in the illusion of control”
It certainly looks like it. I think lockdowns do “work” but only for a short time like maybe a few weeks. It doesn’t matter what the rules are, after a few weeks people start breaking them.
I have yet to see any data that demonstrates any positive effect of lockdown – have you?
I didn’t say it had a positive effect
Just an effect.
I posted this the other day:
https://syndromictrends.com/metric/panel/rp/percent_positivity/organism/main
Showing trends for various respiratory pathogens (not including Covid but there are other coronaviruses on there).
Not that helpful without source of data, definition of detection rate?
I guess it depends what you mean by “work”. If they are strict enough I guess they stop the spread, if done early enough, though given the need for people to buy food and eat, keep power supplies going etc etc there is always going to be contact. I think for it to truly “work” you’d need to lock people in their homes as they did in China. And then what do you do?
Do what New Zealand now has to do, stay in self isolation forever until the Covid arrives anyway which it surely will.
I was under the impression that NZ is like 1950s Britain, community still exists, people look out for each other, a generally more polite society etc.
Now it seems NZ has gone straight to 2150s Britain, fear the state, hide indoors, only do what the state gives you permission to do.
I think both both parts of your comment are correct, sadly.
I think the modest hygiene and distancing measures probably have some effect (handwashing – NUMBER ONE) and lockdowns only ‘work’ in the sense that they incentivise and make these measures ‘conscious’ to people. Which means the lockdown isn’t really working it’s just having a residual psychological effect.
The lockdown, hygiene and social distancing did work in that the NHS was not overwhelmed but that was done after 3 weeks.
Had johnson! then said ‘Crikey well done chaps now back to work and no pfifle malingerers’ mortality would have been normal, Lockdown a distant memory and our economy would not have been in ruins.
So there is a resurgence of viruses (including Covid in some places) as lockdowns are lifted. It’s possible people have also given up on the handwashing but if not it does imply that lockdowns temporarily reduce spread of viruses.
Are you not confusing lockdown with quarantine? Quarantine for infected persons fine (humane socially acceptable quarantine), indiscriminate lockdown no. Seen no data to support that as containing a virus whatsoever, but seen masses that say lockdown causes all sorts of collateral problems.
Americans can’t say Quarantine since that brings into play all sorts of legalaly binding ramifications, protocols re Compensation and procedures.
By calling it safe in place (?) State Governors were able to make it up as they went along.
Yes indeed. ‘Shelter in place’ is such an insidious phrase.
‘Shelter’ implies there is something to shelter from and also that that thing is some kind of natural disaster. Also that ‘sheltering’ cannot possibly be anything but good despite the fact you may starve.
Toby’s study on the language used in this will be very interesting. Honestly I think the creepily Orwellian language was the first alarm bell for most sceptics. It was for me anyway. Well that and the NHS clapping.
”and decision makers live in the illusion of control” It does seem that our leaders are increasingly looking like King Canute trying to hold back the tide. They all seem to have Covid OCD and are getting us all to chase our tails but is there any point?
A spokesperson on the lunchtime news at least admitted that the rise in infections was partly due to the increase in testing and that many of these cases are young people who are asymptomatic. Which you could read as a lot of young people have a light summer cold, in which case, the problem is??????????????
Hello everyone! Guess what?? I’ve only gone to Aldi shopping with my mum this morning without a mask! After a guilt ridden shop last Friday and vowing I wouldn’t go shopping again, today I felt completely different. It felt good. My mum wore a mask under her nose and once she got to the packing area I told her to take it off. There was only me, another couple and a young person in the store without a mask. I did cheat a little bit though so don’t get to excited, I had my son’s snood on around my neck so I suppose I did look like I was trying a little bit but it wasn’t covering my face. Think that helped me feel confident entering the store. Feeling very happy!
Much what I did in Sainsbury’s Local yesterday, I wore a skulls & roses bandana with a 1984 badge that I half heartedly pushed up on entering the store – no queue and no one on the door- then let fall. No one was bothered, not that there were many people around. I am annoyed with myself for not being brave enough to walk in with nothing, but I do not want to end up in an arguement with a shop assistant.either…
“No one was bothered” this is what surprises me, while willing to go along with the mask stupidity themselves I have had no negative reactions for not wearing one.
Co Op door marshal (inside since no queue) said in a friendly manner ‘you need to wear a mask’, “that’s ok I’m exempt thanks” I replied cheerily as he wandered off.
Same here, no comments from other shoppers, which is odd as if they believe they are saving me, why are they not telling me I need to mask up?
They don’t believe it, they are just trying to avoid getting fine or verbally flattened by someone else. They have no interest in stopping you from getting fined
My husband has freely walked into Co Op several times over the weekend with no mask and no one has said anything to him. We don’t have a door marshal at our local store though and the shop assistants have told him that they’re not enforcing it. He loves walking in not giving a f**k!
Pretty sure this will be the state of play in my two local small stores. Have yet to test.
Don’t be annoyed with yourself for walking in with nothing, its a confidence builder. I don’t want the confrontation from customers so if me wearing it around my neck looks like I’m trying then I think its a great first step to build my confidence. The amount of people walking out of stores and immediately ripping off the mask becuase they’re hot and struggling to breathe yet continue to wear on the next trip is baffling.What will it take for them to realise that the masks are not beneficial to their health? When they collaspe in a heap??
Good stuff! Step by step….
Definitely Mark.
Jolly good!
YAY!
Just a thong and a smile next week!
An example where a scientific ‘expert’ was shown to be wrong:
Sir Roy Meadow – claimed that odds of two cot deaths in the same family were one in a million, leading to a mother’s conviction for murder. Then claimed that odds in another family were one in 73 million leading to another mother’s conviction for murder. The real odds were one in 77.
Both mothers failed in their appeals.
The cases were later overturned, but Sally Clark, who had been widely reviled in the press as a child killer, and targeted in prison because she was a solicitor and daughter of a police officer, had developed serious psychiatric disorders in prison and drank herself to death.
Eventually Meadow was struck off, but not before ruining many lives.
Maybe this doesn’t seem completely relevant to Covid, but I think it is: it’s the same mindset as, say, Neil Ferguson, where belief in pathetic, stupid, dumb, wrong ‘science’ leads an ‘expert’ to ruin the lives of others without any apparent doubt in their mind.
An earlier example of something similar would be Sir Bernard Spilsbury. A pioneering and brilliant forensic pathologist but prone to excessive interpretation of ambiguous evidence. His testimony sent more than one innocent party to the gallows as juries believed in him rather than considering all the evidence in full
Replying to myself, I didn’t spot that you could say that Meadow was effectively using a ‘mathematical model’ to ruin people’s lives. Ferguson’s model is just as wrong, and being followed just as blindly.
Unfortunately there will always be errors, and science is based on theories and assumptions and open to further research that disproves them. It’s accepted that innocent people will be sent to prison as mistakes will be made.
I believe the estimated figure in the UK for people who are in prison but are innocent is 1-3%, whereas in the USA it 2-10%. So, with there being around 100,000 prisoners in the UK potentially 3,000 are innocent.
A Magistrate once said to me that he believes there is one innocent man on every wing.
I remember the Sally Clark case. These so-called expert witnesses making up numbers as they got along (thumb suck). Some research link the Pertussis vaccine (included in MMR) to cot death, can happen up to around 28 days after jab
Here’s my account of a real-life viola lesson, using the train: Since ‘the virus’ the trains have mystically grown from 2 to 4 carriages but there was hardly anyone on mine. A gang of lads on mountain bikes, not sure how many muzzled. 3 girls in the same carriage, one facing me. She took her mask off almost immediately. My journey was only 2 stops and at the 1st one, a load of faceless zombies got on and she seemed to take fright and it went back on.
On the way up the steep hill to my lesson I passed the undertaker’s. As usual they were laughing and joking but they didn’t seem to be sizing me up as they usually do.
Good lesson, wonderful to be there. My teacher is not exactly in our camp but not far off. All of her pupils now go to her house and no masks. Her husband’s orchestra is hoping to do live orchestral concerts in the autumn. I wish them all the best!
On the way down, passed a crazy overweight woman carrying a box of cakes up the steep path wearing a muzzle. She cringed away from me so I ignored her but further on an older woman was coming up and we passed close by smiling and greeting each other.
On the way back on the near-empty train, I saw one other unmuzzled person plus one with it under his chin. The staff (unmuzzled) didin’t venture out of their compartment to inspect or sell tickets on either journey. Since you don’t need to go near a ticket office to access the platform any more you could easily have a free ride but given the obedience over muzzles I expect everyone’s doing as they’re told but who knows?
All-in-all a good trip. Nobody said anything to me because as an old bag I’m invisible or, more likely, most people on trains are zombies anyway, glued to their phones and listening to music so nobody else exists. I got a cheery wave from the guard as I left the train.
Should we be worried that the trains seem to be running on time these days?
“On the way down, passed a crazy overweight woman carrying a box of cakes up the steep path wearing a muzzle. She cringed away from me so I ignored her“
These people create their own hell for themselves, but it’s possible to sympathise with them to some extent as victims of evil propaganda and manipulation, until they inflict their personal hell on others:
https://twitter.com/hector_drummond/status/1288228285957242884
The trains would always run on time if people didn’t get on them!
The girl that you mention seems to be very suggestable, first she follows your example then falls in with the herd. Clearly not an avid believer.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/travel/news/breaking-10-brits-returning-Spain-22427
Please don’t anyone think that I read the Mirror, but I came across this site whilst looking for something I had spotted on the Independent site earlier (I don’t read that rag either)
It concerns the 10 people who have reportedly returned from Spain since July 1st and tested positive for Corona virus-notice it doesn’t say they had Covid 19.
In an interview on Radio 4, Tory Minister Simon Clarke said:
”it was entirely plausible that Britons came back from Spain carrying the Corona virus” but repeatedly stressed he had NO data showing this was true.
He was asked the question a further THREE times and kept repeating the same answer about the two thousand new cases in Spain. Later two thousand cases became “thousands”.
So he doesn’t have any data. Presumably that applies to data about serious cases, hospitalisations and deaths, which have all been flat lining in Spain for months. This is all due to increased testing and we all know how good are the tests.
Surely these ten “cases” could conceivably be false positives, especially if they’re asymptomatic?
And even if they’re not, the govt manage to rustle up anywhere between 500 and 700 new cases per day the moment. Why would an extra 10 cause an uncontrollable outbreak?
Exactly. Just come across another article which is saying that:
”Half of Spain’s Covid-19 cases (55%) show no symptoms with most aged 15-29”
This is from the Carlos lll Health Institute.
I thought Covid 19 was the illness that was supposed to result from the Corona virus, so if they don’t have any symptoms they can’t have Covid 19 but have just tested positive for Corona virus.
Apologies for the link above but it is on the Mirror website somewhere!
Precisely. When did you last hear of anyone having an asymptomatic cold?
There are so many aspects of this virus that defy logic — like how you can infect someone else when you’re healthy had have no symptoms, and how the face muzzle protects others and not you. How does a mask filter virus particles in only one direction?
Cos its not about a virus Lisa. It’s a global reset.
I have one now, I am totally well.
Aye, as thee says, or implies, if there are already so many new cases each day in Britain why would a few extra ‘imported’ ones matter that much? Has there been an estimation of the numbers that might be ‘imported’? The Government responds as if it was a new breed of virus they want to keep out.
Two newly published articles. The first very interesting about cross reaction with one of our earlier Coronavirus. The second article about the short infectiousness and also prolonged shedding of non viable virus.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.27.222943v1
At one of these sites, we demonstrate that the SARS-CoV-2 response strongly and recurrently cross-reacts with the endemic virus hCoV-OC43. Our analyses reveal new diagnostic and therapeutic targets, including a site at which SARS-CoV-2 may recruit common pre-existing antibodies and with the potential for broadly-neutralizing responses.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.25.20162107v1
Although SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding in respiratory and stool can be prolonged, duration of viable virus is relatively short-lived. Thus, detection of viral RNA cannot be used to infer infectiousness. High SARS-CoV-2 titres are detectable in the first week of illness with an early peak observed at symptom onset to day 5 of illness.
More figures I don’t believe:
From the Governemtn’s weekly surveillance report (very detailed analysis – lots of charts and graphs here):
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/903450/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_30_FINAL_UPDATED.pdf
“In week 29, the weekly admission rates for both hospitalisations and ICU/HDU COVID-19 admissions decreased. The hospitalisation rate was at 1.07 per 100,000 in week 29 compared to 1.28 per 100,000 in the previous week. The ICU/HDU rate was at 0.09 per 100,000 in week 29 compared to 0.13 per 100,000 in the previous week (Figure 23).”
I accept the ICU figures – 0.09 per 100,000 equates to just over 50 people in the whole country in intensive care with Covid.
But the admissions to hospital figures feels shaky – 1 per 100,000 = about 600 new hospital admissions in the past week with Covid. Does that feel right to those of you on the inside?
Could be. If they were admitted for minor treatment then quickly discharged.
Actually that would be a good way of scaring people. Admit everyone who has even minor symptoms for a day or two.
Which is why hospitalised death rate went down from 6% in April to 1.5% (ish) more recently.
Depends. If they count anyone admitted to hospital for any illness who just happened to also test positive for covid, then yes, definitely.
I think this is what they do. So it’s very misleading. Often, the patients won’t be in hospital FOR coronavirus.
That figure could be accurate. Cebm have published figures for hospital admissions with COVID-19 in England and on 24th July there were 65.
My message to those pushing the coronapanic message in daily interactions and on social media:
All you who wear masks and cringe away from human contact out of fear of this disease, you create your own Hell for yourselves to live in, and you are to be pitied for that. Until you try to force your personal Hell on others by imposing your fear-based rules upon them, or lecturing them for their failure to join you in your hell. Then you become evil.
B+M staff tell me they have been told by top management NOT to challenge anyone without a mask under any circumstances as the company does not want to be embroiled in a disability discrimination case.
Not that any of them care two hoots anyway about customers and the law, they hate wearing the masks all day themselves. Dropped a few hints about challenging the risk assessment to them.
Found this out while chatting in the checkout queue after walking round maskless.
All through this madness,B&M have been really good,apart from some tape on the floor,which the staff encourage customers to ignore when queues have been building up,they have pretty much normal.The way some of the customers have been behaving in there is a different matter though.
Today’s UKColumn covered the SNP MSP wishing to wear a face mask for life.
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/2370675/snp-msp-stewart-stevenson-says-he-is-considering-wearing-a-face-mask-for-the-rest-of-my-life/
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North-east SNP MSP Stewart Stevenson indicated he is planning to wear a mask “for the rest of my life” as he mounted a staunch defence of anti-coronavirus face coverings.
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Today’s Uk Column news will be uploaded shortly
https://www.youtube.com/user/ukcolumn
He should be in a lunatic asylum instead of Scot. Assembly but perhaps not that big difference.
Needs to read Alexander Dumas (sp?).
UK Column New is worth a watch, each Monday, Wednesday & Friday.
They also do occasional specials on specific subjects.
He’s a monumental wanker.
Must watch: Immunology Prof. Beda Stadler: we have reaxhed herd immunity and masks for all make no sense: https://youtu.be/GBRcK-od50Q
Bad news from the frontline. Mrs Tenchy went to M&S at Teesside Park today. She had a look in the cafeteria, where they’ve surrounded all the tables with seven-foot-high plastic screens. Had this put people off? Not a bit of it! The place was full, and there was a long (antisocially distanced) queue of people who just couldn’t wait to eat their lunch IN a box.
M&S… nuff said
This is not just any dystopia, this is an M&S dystopia… I’ll get my coat.
I liked that!
Good one
Out and about with the wife, both of us maskless all the time. She now actually asks me before we leave the house if i have my badge on, before she didn’t care. Now she puts ear’s on and reminds me.
Few downer observations:
Good though:
Best bit, I made an old woman smile in pleasure as well – not like that you dirty lot – going inside the garden centre everyone bunching up at the door while muzzling up, walked straight past them and in. Old lady about 4 ft 6″ came in immediately behind us, almost like we were running interference for her. We stopped to look at plants and as she passed I smiled. She stopped, smiled back a bit hesitantly so I smiled bigger and said “another unbeliever but remember to say you are exempt if questioned, breathing problems”. She says she’s not exempt but in her mid-80s she’s not wearing a mask as the nazis did not win the war. She was relieved someone else felt the same way and she now knows she is not alone and smiled again, this time a big grin and she got one back.
See, I did make a woman smile in pleasure.
Be interesting to see how long those shop lasts at Trentham Gardens, as even before they expanded a lot of them only lasted about a year before closing. I can see there being loads of units empty in a few months time, and they wont be able to do the usual Xmas stuff that they do there anymore with social distancing in place.
Me and wife said exactly the same – few more months and the place will be empty.
Masked children. Was chatting to a non believer woman and mentioned muzzling the kids, she said her nieces liked it since it made them feel like grown ups.
Can’t she just get them meaningless and unfulfilling jobs, and saddle them with heaps of debt instead to make them feel like adults, rather than muzzling them?
Sad, very sad.
Good grief,there is no hope if people are letting their children think like that.
Scot Gov daily figures today – for context sturgeon was pleading yesterday for voluneers to take a vaccine trial. Yes covid is a non event in the real world.
Can anyone explain how 22 of 9557 is 0.7%?
22 new confirmed cases of COVID-19; this is 0.7% of newly tested individuals.
9,557 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results.
These figures are consistently incompatible and yet so insigificantly small, I don’t understand why they are not accurate.
Other numbers today:
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive.
2 people were in intensive care last night with confirmed COVID-19.
260 people were in hospital with confirmed COVID-19.
Some people being tested more than once could explain it. But looking at the figures, if that were the case it would mean everyone testing positive had been tested three times – unless my maths is wonky (which it could well be).
I didn’t consider multiple tests of the same individuals that then become cases. Thanks. It is very unclear reporting.
This seems to work out that 3,143 were newly tested individuals. The other 6,414 had previously been tested.
Thanks. I’ve considered that, however these are daily figures with weekly figures and since the beginning figures also published at the same time.
Just on these tests in Scotland. Are staff at each football club tested each day or every other day? So if there is 6,000 previous tests, and there’s 42 clubs, then if there was 15 on average at each club each day who are tested, then that’s accounts for the 6,000 previously tested each day.
In relation to football I do not know there is a protocol but that seems to have changed through time. 15 false positives from 6,000 is that the going rate. Midday reporting of the figures can possibly account loosely for the difference. I will keep in my as I try to understand. Thanks.
– Rangers are under investgation for feilding 9 players at Dundee without up to date tests. Roll eyes.
Only 2 people in all of Scotland in an ICU with Covid-19?
Shhh don’t notice that bit
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-data-for-scotland/
-Yes 2 in icu-
Been to my local Tesco Express unmasked a couple of times now. No issues, although sadly I was the only unmasked customer both times.
My wife went to the bigger Tesco up the road unmasked today, and received a few weird looks from conformists. She was hoping that they’d say something, but none of them plucked up the courage. She reports that most staff were unmasked and friendly, and that the lady on the till removed her mask to speak to her.
As for other customers, she saw one lady probably mid-30s and one soldier in uniform unmasked (just doing his shopping, not enforcing masks – yet lol). We have a long way to go, but at least the big supermarkets aren’t bothering us!
Bet nobody messed with the soldier!
Nice idea. Let’s all go shopping in camo.
After my experience at Waitrose this morning, will definitely not be going back
Stay away from this surgeon. If he does not know that surgical masks are there to prevent gob and sweat to fall into an open wound then he is severely incompetent. Maybe one of the vaginal mess implant doctors.
At least my suspicions that Waitrose is in fact evil have been proven correct.
I always suspected they thought I was too dirty to buy their quinoa. Now I have confirmation.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-prisoner-free-man_b_1832930
This article was written in 2012.
I am wondering about two things, maybe someone can clarify:
That the Moderna vaccine seems to have worked when the monkeys were challenged is at first glance good news.
But did they use ferrets as well?
Ferrets have sofar always had cytokine storms and died when challenged with coronaviruses.
Suspicious as I have become, I can also imagine that they have neglected to investigate that for that reason.
Not sure whether monkeys or ferrets are more relevant then, but not comfy even if monkeys survive
challenging but ferrets don’t.
Can anyone evaluate whether the Minnesota studies were legit, comparable and really detrimental to the case of using HCQ or not?
The first ine seems to have been for prophylaxe, HCQ only, the second one just adding zinc but no antibiotic, or am I wrong?
I’ve been lurking around here for the past couple of months so have jumped off the fence and registered today.
It doesn’t matter where we live we face the same shite so in that sense we share a common bond as sceptics. Here in Ireland masks aren’t mandatory yet but you would think so judging by the number of musslers running around. It’s really depressing to witness, especially as many of our friends and family members have bought into the C19 hoax and don’t leave home without a mask. Fortunately quite a number of shops have taken a reasonably lax attitude to face nappies so it is not as hellish as what you sceptics in the UK have to endure.
Anyway, on a positive note we do have a very outspoken woman fighting in “our” corner and that is Prof Dolores Cahill. Here is another great video of her addressing a crowd a few days ago, along with a couple of takeaway quotes…
“…when they talk about a second spike, [remember] there wasn’t a first one”
and
“I’ll never wear a mask!”
Stay strong!
This continuing insanity is having a severely detrimental effect on my mental – and possibly physical – health. Assuming I outlive the current panic, what are my options for seeking recompense from the powers that be?
Just listened to Sky report on potential new quarantine measures. Husband just declared, ‘Well F… that, I’m off to put the housekeeping money on the greyhounds’!
Been out and about in Billericay earlier, and can report that I hardly saw anybody in face coverings. Went into the BP filling station and shop.No one on the forecourt wearing. Inside some old guy had what looked like a dishcloth he was holding to his mouth, one young couple where female was unmasked and male was, but only around his neck. Three other customers were masked. Two ladies serving, one masked, one unmasked. I was beckoned over by the masked one. I smiled at her and she was extremely pleasant. She had to remove her (quite heavy duty looking) mask to ask me a question and I could see she was smiling. My local convenience store and off licence both seem to be making a point by being overtly friendly to non-maskers, and none of their staff ever wear them. . Am I being too optimistic, or is this falling apart already? PS I went onto Waitrose on Sunday. I was the only one un-masked. To my disappointment though, nobody said anything!!
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