In view of the BBC'S role in the covid crisis as a government propaganda mouthpiece, which we can all attest to. I now wonder if the BBC is playing a similar role today in the war between Russia and Ukraine. Should we consider the BBC as a mirror of whatever is the present government's preferred narrative. Am I correct or wrong in wondering that it served this mouthpiece role in the prolonged battle of words after Britain voted to quit the EU.
Is the BBC just biased state television? And has it become just too corrupt to fulfill its function to inform, educate and entertain. With respect to entertainment, recently, the BBC played host to a plethora of weird, child abusing "celebrities", named, but not limited to:
- Stuart Hall
- Jimmy Saville,
- and (perhaps less directly) Gary Glitter,
- Dave Lee Travis (eventually serving jail time after prolonged litigation).
- Rolf Harris ...
And with respect to information/education - What about the endless regurgitation of pseudoscience through the covid Pandemic?
And with respect to the crisis in Ukraine, the BBC is silent on the role of NATO and US neocon policy in creating and prolonging the current war.Do I have to spell out that NATO is the American Foreign legion designed to fight its proxy wars?
In the light of this catalog of misdoings, is it the time to consider whether the BBC serves any useful purpose? Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
In view of the BBC'S role in the covid crisis as a government propaganda mouthpiece, which we can all attest to. I now wonder if the BBC is playing a similar role today in the war between Russia and Ukraine. Should we consider the BBC as a mirror of whatever is the present government's preferred narrative. Am I correct or wrong in wondering that it served this mouthpiece role in the prolonged battle of words after Britain voted to quit the EU.
Is the BBC just biased state television? And has it become just too corrupt to fulfill its function to inform, educate and entertain.
And with respect to the crisis in Ukraine, the BBC is silent on the role of NATO and US neocon policy in creating and prolonging the current war.Do I have to spell out that NATO is the American Foreign legion designed to fight its proxy wars?
In the light of this catalog of misdoings, is it the time to consider whether the BBC serves any useful purpose? Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Is this from your Kremlin propaganda manual?
How's your Russian "balanced media" doing?
Should we consider the BBC as a mirror of whatever is the present government's preferred narrative.
Are you aware of what a mirror image is?
Answer : The exact opposite of the original.
Is the BBC just biased state television?
No is the answer, for the BBC. And all the others.
Would you like to get rid of all the other European channels, and the American Channels?
We see where you are heading..... Lose all media, except Russian and perhaps Chinese state controlled outlets.
Is the BBC just biased state television?
No is the answer, for the BBC. And all the others.
Would you like to get rid of all the other European channels, and the American Channels?
We see where you are heading..... Lose all media, except Russian and perhaps Chinese state controlled outlets.
Nope, I got no problem with normal competing private TV firms with shareholders doing as they please, it is mainly State Television that is a threat to civilisation,since it is just too tempting for elected officials to use the State tax-funded TV for jingoism, as the BBC has demonstrated in the current conflict. Once a TV firm collects billions in tax, it knows it has to please the incumbent govt., which is why the BBC is presently so servile and why it regards Zelensky as Mother Theresa, and Putin as Mick McManus! The BBC is , in a word Manichean. Look it up
Is it not the case that all these private TV channels also state the truth about your Russian invasion of Ukraine. This should be considered an inconvenience, by you.
Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Just what do you think the mechanism is for this scenario?
Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Just what do you think the mechanism is for this scenario?
It's obvious, privatise the BBC like Mrs Thatcher did to the electricity and phone companies etc.
You obviously can't understand English properly, Snootski.
The question is .. "How does shutting down the BBC stop Putin using Nuclear weapons"
Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Just what do you think the mechanism is for this scenario?
The theory is that once the BBC is free of its tax addiction, there will be less motive for it to promote or flatter any political masters. They will still be free to spread one-sided propaganda if they wish to, my guess is that once it is stripped of any reward for promoting government propaganda, a degree of professional competence might arise or even a sense of shame at how the BBC has lied. In any case without the support of the BBC, the NATO led military industrial complex will be weaker and less able to stir up trouble or hostility towards Russia or, in a while China. We really need to literally neutralise the vile, war mongering BBC.
I assume, you are planning for Putin to pay for pro-Russian content on the BBC.
Anyway, you are confused again...
You said shutting down the BBC would stop nuclear war.. How??
Try again.
You said shutting down the BBC would stop nuclear war.. How??
For a long time, I thought you were just acting stupid, but now I realize you really are very stupid? The best way to avoid a nuclear war is for liberals to use the methods employed by Mrs Thatcher and Mr Reagan in the 80s.In short silence the West's state propaganda mouthpieces and engage the detente and diplomacy.There is no other hope.
Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Are you saying Putin is employed by the BBC?
Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Are you saying Putin is employed by the BBC?
No Putin is not Jimmy Saville, the policy now is to starve the Nazis (Richard Dannat concurs there), to make sure the Azovs under the works are all dead or otherwise fucked up (it's cheaper than using petrol in flame throwers or Napalm), before May 9 - Victory Day in Moscow. And Putin's got the timing spot on. There will be celebratory fireworks in Moscow on May 9.
In view of the BBC'S role in the covid crisis as a government propaganda mouthpiece, which we can all attest to. I now wonder if the BBC is playing a similar role today in the war between Russia and Ukraine. Should we consider the BBC as a mirror of whatever is the present government's preferred narrative. Am I correct or wrong in wondering that it served this mouthpiece role in the prolonged battle of words after Britain voted to quit the EU.
Is the BBC just biased state television? And has it become just too corrupt to fulfill its function to inform, educate and entertain. With respect to entertainment, recently, the BBC played host to a plethora of weird, child abusing "celebrities", named, but not limited to:
- Stuart Hall
- Jimmy Saville,
- and (perhaps less directly) Gary Glitter,
- Dave Lee Travis (eventually serving jail time after prolonged litigation).
- Rolf Harris ...
And with respect to information/education - What about the endless regurgitation of pseudoscience through the covid Pandemic?
And with respect to the crisis in Ukraine, the BBC is silent on the role of NATO and US neocon policy in creating and prolonging the current war.Do I have to spell out that NATO is the American Foreign legion designed to fight its proxy wars?
In the light of this catalog of misdoings, is it the time to consider whether the BBC serves any useful purpose? Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Perhaps you might like to comment on this article? Inconvenient for you, as it is not the BBC.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/18/why-white-collar-russians-flee-two
Amongst other things, it tells of how many simple minded Russians like yourself have been duped by Russian Propaganda.
IIn the light of this catalog of misdoings, is it the time to consider whether the BBC serves any useful purpose? Perhaps the fastest way to halt the war in Ukraine is to shut down the BBC before it cause a nuclear war!
Perhaps you might like to comment on this article? Inconvenient for you, as it is not the BBC.
might it be that rent-seeking urban playwrights or, video editors are not particularly highly regarded in Russia, as I regard you as a simple form of deeply rooted forest life - a tree or worse a leek?
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You go away for a while and when you come back you find the same pub bore spouting the same total garbage..
So the BBC was pure propaganda lies about COVID. So? You should see what they have been showing on the main Russian state TV channel the last three months.
At the end of last year I started doing what I did in spring 1989. Started watching lots of Russian TV news (Vremya) and other Russian TV. Nothing has changed. Soviet style propaganda has been standard on Russian TV the last few years.
Ever watch those old Nazi newsreels? About the Jews and the other untermensch. That the level of propaganda they are running about Ukrainians on Russian TV every day. On Channel 1 RU. The level of visceral hatred since the humiliation of the Moskva is way beyond Cold War Soviet levels and pure Der Sturmer.
Putin has said quite clearly that Ukraine and Ukrainians are to be erased from the face of the earth. And every day on Russian TV that message is hammered in. Over and over again.
So you can believe any old sh*te about some western conspiracy but I tend to believe exactly what Putin says, that he sees himself as some great defender of some incoherent Pan Slav Supremacist gobbledygook that goes back to the Fall of Constantinople in 1453
This genocide ends when Putin is dead.
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I tend to believe exactly what Putin says, that he sees himself as some great defender of some incoherent Pan Slav Supremacist gobbledygook . This genocide ends when Putin is dead.
Well, you might be waiting quite a while since I do not think Putin is going to keel over at your request. And since Russia has bottled the sizable part of ukrainian army in several Cauldrons and cut off its supplies of everything into their Cauldrons. By bombing the roads, airports and railroads. It must be getting quite hot in those kettles now as this map signifies, (from the excellent French site:theatrum-belli.com) if you use Chrome it can translate it for you, since I am certain you are blithely ignorant of all European languages apart to some extent from English.
As I say, I would not hold your breath waiting for Putin's demise, with respect to propaganda, I remember well idiots in America renaming o French Fries to be Freedom Fries, in the wake of France's opposition to the invasion of Iraq! France turned out to be correct and 4,400 US troops died there for absolutely sweet FA!
I get it Snootski - yet another attempt to use covid scepticism to get support for your war on Ukraine.
You're so far wrong it's not true. Boris can't take what he sees as BBC opposition - to the extent that he's trying to shut them down altogether.
Yes, the exact opposite of what you claim!
Snootski is just proposing the Putin approach of shutting down any media that is describing the Awful Russian actions. It's what he's done in Russia, so the people can continue to be misled.
Of course, contrary to his headline statement, the fastest way for the war to end is for the Russians to leave Ukraine and stop murdering people.
After that, they should pay perhaps $500 billion in compensation to rebuild the country. Some of that will need to come from Snootski's salary.
I get it Snootski - yet another attempt to use covid scepticism to get support for your war on Ukraine.
You're so far wrong it's not true. Boris can't take what he sees as BBC opposition - to the extent that he's trying to shut them down altogether.
Yes, the exact opposite of what you claim!
I might have known you'd back the war mongers and try to prolong the conflict,
@lordsnooty This war has flipped on its head, Snootski. Fastest way to end it is a Putin defeat. Actually, it's the only way to end it.
@lordsnooty This war has flipped on its head, Snootski. Fastest way to end it is a Putin defeat. Actually, it's the only way to end it.
The right way to end it is for America to realise that her age of global dominance is ending, China and her resource provider Russia will ensure that, in its death throes the American Hegemony is causing chaos everywhere. It has to stop, so Russia is putting a stop to it. There is no easy escape for America and her poodle Ukraine.They must face to face the facts, the game is up for the Saxons.
YES .. you used one of your standard slurs, just as predicted.
Accusing people who oppose Putin's murder campaign of being war mongers...really.
Boris can't take what he sees as BBC opposition
We don't need your stinkin' state television channel in Britain.
He's trying the "my enemy's enemy is my friend" approach
So by attacking the BBC, he hopes to get support for his criminal war against Ukraine.
Next...he'll try a few more approaches....such as
"people who oppose Russian aggression are warmongers"
or
"The harm caused by the aggressor is the fault of the victims"
All favourites of the Russian propagandists.
I get it Snootski - yet another attempt to use covid scepticism to get support for your war on Ukraine.
Wrong I am doing everything I can to slow or stop the headlong rush to war in Ukraine.It is simply an area to grow corn, of no importance whatsoever to the west except as a route to the soft underbelly of Russia, that is why Russia would never in a million years allow an intact Ukraine to join NATO, the Donbass is to all intents and purposes, like the Crimea, it's already gone, and that's how it's staying.
@lordsnooty Even to a Putin zealot ike yourself, it should be obvious that the west is bending over backwards not to get drawn into a direct war with Russia.
If they wanted to invade, they would have done it.
But don't worry yourself. You'll get plenty of warning to evacuate your Moscow home. There would be a series of votes in Parliaments across multiple countries.
Or, in a brief moment of sanity, you might conclude there's no chance whatsoever that the west is ever going to attack Russia, which is in any case sinking back into poverty and chaos.
there's no chance whatsoever that the west is ever going to attack Russia, which is in any case sinking back into poverty and chaos.
You must try to understand, Russia will never give on an inch of what it has obtain in the Donbas, in 8 years of effort, there is absolutely no chance of that ever occurring.The Crimea and the new Republics, are Russian now. And that's just how it is. If might be possible to pursue a path to peace and for some or even all of West Ukraine to continue as an independent but strictly neutral entity.And that's the best deal you hope to get.
@lordsnooty I agree that Putin has to show he won something in this war if he's to stay in power. There's no way he could spin walking away with less than he started with. But for obvious reasons, no Ukrainian government can give up territory either.
This is why Putin has to go. Putin himself the single biggest obstacle to peace.
no Ukrainian government can give up territory either.
I'm afraid it has no choice in the matter, it's already gone and the joint forces Operation (which has terrorised the Donbas for 8 years) is being gradually annihilated by long range artillery in the corn fields of Eastern Ukraine.
This is why Putin has to go. Putin himself the single biggest obstacle to peace.
I think Joe Biden said the exactly the same thing a few weeks back, when he accidentally revealed that Regime change is the goal of NATO ITSELF is the single biggest obstacle to peace, That's why Putin is so committed keeping NATO out of Ukraine.
I get it Snootski - yet another attempt to use covid scepticism to get support for your war on Ukraine.
@lordsnooty Once again Snootski, your ignorance of all things British gets in the way of saying anything sensible. The BBC is one of Boris's main critics. That's why he wants to shut it down.
You are tying yourself in knots with this painful line of reasoning.
Your attempts to sound British are also getting worse.
Yes, it would be beneficial in the short term if the BBC, if not heavily regulated on it's spun content and forced to present a more balanced picture and a context on this invasion, were shut down altogether.
This may work temporarily, and without the public support for the endless provocation of Putin (an evil, dangerous, psychopathic type with a nuclear arsenal at his fingertips), populist European leaders may be encouraged to withdraw their involvement in the conflict and it may end with the unfortunate annexation of Ukraine, but at least it won't be drawn out into a protracted conflict that may last ten years or more, like Syria.
However, the BBC having been taken out of the picture, you still have two problems on your hands, one clear and present, the other potential. First and most glaringly, a power-structure such as the Kremlin that laughably calls itself democratic is entirely unfazed by the opposition of the Russian people, and even the Russian armed forces as it turns out, to this invasion. This could lead to Putin's being compelled to defy the so-called "Wolfowitz Doctrine" whose strategy was to expand NATO eastward to thwart any potential resurgence of Russia into something resembling the former Soviet Union. This defiance would of course, take the form of a typically Soviet-style imperial push westward to mitigate the country's existential worries that Russia could be "lost" to the West.
The second problem is that the BBC has been pretty much playing a role equivalent to Josef Goebbels in WW2 as the ruling party's chief propagandist. Eliminate the BBC's influence and the state will promptly move on and find another willing and eager platform to do its bidding and peddle its manipulative worldviews.
It's regulators like OfCom that really need to get a grip (but perhaps OfCom itself is regulated), who are perversely compelled to filter mass-communications in such as way as to achieve this very thing (total compliance, myopia, etc), and the only "regulation" they ever really achieve is to silence the other side of the debate. Who knows where the original directive is coming from to censor alternative viewpoints in the media, but it's wherever that is that needs to be shut down, not just the BBC.
Eliminate the BBC's influence and the state will promptly move on and find another willing and eager platform to do its bidding and peddle its manipulative worldviews.
In Britain, certain institutions carry a quasi religious imprimatur, example are the NHS and the BBC.
The BBC even hires its own fact checkers. to denounce other news sources. But rejects all criticism of its own standards. That's the principle reason it has to go, it is now part of the US Neocon liberal propaganda machine. Now the BBC has decided that President Zelensky is the West's new Mother Theresa, while Vladimir Putin is the latest Vlad the impaler. Such black and which Manichean depictions coul create conditions for an endless proxy war in Ukraine, which is what the Noecons want.
an endless proxy war in Ukraine
It's not a proxy war - Putin is directly attacking the west.
an endless proxy war in Ukraine
It's not a proxy war - Putin is directly attacking the west.
The West depends on emotional recriminations such as yours to justify its continual provocative manoeuvres, which seem designed to prolong the war and drag it out into a war of attrition; in such a war, Russia usually comes through but the democracies might tire of the endless and pointless privations especially during economic hard times.
@lordsnooty Putin's war is indeed disgusting. All the more so because it's stupid froths point of view as well a everyone else. And the worst may be yet to come, in the form of food crises and revolutions in other vulnerable countries, as Ukraine and Belarus are taken out of the food chain.
It's horrible to see how this is destroying people's lives. But there was nothing emotional in my comment.
there was nothing emotional in my comment.
Then you must realise, there is nothing you can do about Putin except rant and rave but you can do something about the ineptitude of NATO leading nations.That is where you should vent your rage. Ask, for example, what NATO hopes to gain from arming Ukraine, beyond merely prolonging the war in Donbas. What purpose does NATO serve in a multi-polar world, which is where we are heading now.
@lordsnooty 'NATO' doesn't hope anything, it doesn't exist outside the 30 countries who make up the membership.
What the members hope for is a visible defeat for Putin. And that might happen.
At the start it looked like Putin must win in a matter of weeks. But the image of the Russian army has been exploded as if by its own weapons.
What the members hope for is a visible defeat for Putin. And that might happen.
And they are quite willing to fight to the last Ukrainian to get a defeat for Putin.And that might happen.
defeat for Putin.. Russian army has been exploded
Putin is the man you love to hate, but you use me as a proxy! You expend almost all your effort longing for a symbolic victory over Russia or in particular Putin. Instead, please do as I do and I spend more effort seeking practical ways to get peace.
Your little games to drag things out are risking the lives of countless millions of people. There may be a symbolic Russian defeat some orgasmic day to satisfy your whims, but it is unlikely to be soon. The Cold war lasted 50 years. But there are 60% more people in the world now than there were in 1989. And while the world waits for the Neocons longed-for symbolic victory over Russia, many will starve, and the West's economies will whither. So try to quit being selfish.
We'll just need to use time-honored methods to stop this war soonish . The only way to achieve peace soon and prevent it dragging on, is to neutralize Ukraine and implement the minsk-2 agreement as Ukraine said it would but then deceived Russia. The next step is for the leading NATO Nations, the US and UK to seek detente and diplomacy via Minsk-2 , but they will have to take the knee, and the symbolic victory will be Russia's , how you must hate that idea. But that is what you have brought about - you have no-one to blame but yourselves and those with similar minichean leanings.
If you want to see simple and richly deserved defeats and victories, watch the afternoon wrestling or check out the adventures of Robin Hood by Roger Lancelyn Green, you will find that the Sheriff of Nottingham, stands in for Vladimir Putin. He is continually frustrated in his aims by a gang of mischievous Merry Men, who resemble the Azov Regiment, but without the fascist insignia. These outlets should satisfy your cravings for the Bad Guys to be ritually humiliated. Give it a try; it's better than trolling me.
Alternatively immerse yourself in Captain Scarlet, a Supermarionation, by Gerry Anderson, you will find that the Mysterons closely resemble Russians, or try Stingray, which features various hostile civilizations to play the part of the Russians.It's a harmless outlet for your obvious frustrations.
If you are pretending to be British, it would be best to stop overusing the word "Britain" so much.
In general you have phrases that you use too often and they give you away.
I guess it is some Russian propaganda kit that you are using. It's just clumsy.
