I'll show using plain arithmetic that sanctions are rewarding Russia due to the West's circular Firing squad
It's the scale, the West is too tiny. Only the British empire could ever compare.
Bonaparte, Hitler and NATO tried to fix the west's smallness by taking some of the east. But they failed. Russia watches the west and puts a stop to it . Russians are taught to ensure Russia remains number 1 and to frustrate Saxon efforts to change it , Saxons did everything , but no avail; Russia is no. 1, and Ukraine is security, Bonaparte, Germans (twice ), and NATO have each used Ukraine as an attack vector to grab some East to make it West, Russia's seen it all , many times. Check my numbers…. I can make a slip. I'll put the jigsaw together.
The war has inflated oil, which has gone from $80 a barrel to well over a $100, a 20% rise, Russia has 80 bn barrels of proven oil reserves. A barrel is worth $20 more, the total comes to $1.6 trillion. And a similar figure for gas.
Sanctions cause an interruption to cash flow, before a deal is made, but Russia gains $ trillion later , the later the deal the better since, cars and boilers outside from the west run on Russian oil and Gas as well as Arab Oil and gas. And that's just how it is. It's a matter of scale.I won't mention Russia's shale gas.
But that's only energy,Russia exports 25.4 percent of the world's wheat . 800m tonnes of wheat per year to a hungry world. Sanctions cannot be allowed to affect that, since the poor would soon starve. It is much cheaper, in terms of lives saved . to nuke Washington and London and half Europe than interrupt Russian grain. That is why Russia has not yet annexed all East Ukraine. It is spring planting season, and they won't let a piddly war stop that FFS!
A tonne of wheat fetches a thousand dollars, up 20% since before the war.
So, on an annual basis, the war nets Russia $130 bn more pa than it did before. Or, while the war goes on, call it $10bn a month or $ $250 m a day. Sanctions are rewarding Russia.
The picture for mining/metals , just use your imagination, is even worse for the west's circular firing squad.
There are headlines on the propagandist tools, the bbc, the Guardian, saying Ukraine could fight Russia to a standstill. With prices as they are, it's a perfect plan for Russia, they'll let it roll until the west's circular firing squad has destroyed and starved the west completely.
I'll show using plain arithmetic that sanctions are rewarding Russia due to the West's circular Firing squad
It's the scale, the West is too tiny. Only the British empire could ever compare.
Bonaparte, Hitler and NATO tried to fix the west's smallness by taking some of the east. But they failed. Russia watches the west and puts a stop to it . Russians are taught to ensure Russia remains number 1 and to frustrate Saxon efforts to change it , Saxons did everything , but no avail; Russia is no. 1, and Ukraine is security, Bonaparte, Germans (twice ), and NATO have each used Ukraine as an attack vector to grab some East to make it West, Russia's seen it all , many times. Check my numbers…. I can make a slip. I'll put the jigsaw together.
The war has inflated oil, which has gone from $80 a barrel to well over a $100, a 20% rise, Russia has 80 bn barrels of proven oil reserves. A barrel is worth $20 more, the total comes to $1.6 trillion. And a similar figure for gas.
Sanctions cause an interruption to cash flow, before a deal is made, but Russia gains $ trillion later , the later the deal the better since, cars and boilers outside from the west run on Russian oil and Gas as well as Arab Oil and gas. And that's just how it is. It's a matter of scale.I won't mention Russia's shale gas.
But that's only energy,Russia exports 25.4 percent of the world's wheat . 800m tonnes of wheat per year to a hungry world. Sanctions cannot be allowed to affect that, since the poor would soon starve. It is much cheaper, in terms of lives saved . to nuke Washington and London and half Europe than interrupt Russian grain. That is why Russia has not yet annexed all East Ukraine. It is spring planting season, and they won't let a piddly war stop that FFS!
A tonne of wheat fetches a thousand dollars, up 20% since before the war.
So, on an annual basis, the war nets Russia $130 bn more pa than it did before. Or, while the war goes on, call it $10bn a month or $ $250 m a day. Sanctions are rewarding Russia.
Grasping at straws, with this arguement.
Oil prices are high, but Russian oil is trading at a discount.
Russia hasn't taken over Eastern Ukraine because thus far it lacks the ability. The risk to the crop is high even as things stand because Russia has laid waste to all the supply lines via the coast. There are going to be serious consequences in the third/second world.
Putin assured us that sanctions would make no difference. The wreck of the Russian economy says otherwise.
Long term, whatever the outcome of this war, Europe has been catapulted onto a fast-track process for eliminating dependence on Russian hydrocarbons. This is bar far Putin's most important political lever. It's going to take years, not months, but it will now deftly happen.
Putin has just lost his key market for his key product. Judged on purely economic terms, he is a disaster. Judged on fascist/nationalist terms, I guess he's doing well. If you like that sort of thing.
@fingal as ever you appear to strive to reject the historical evidence yet strive hard to suck up every morsel of the west's propaganda!
@lordsnooty Well Snootski, the rouble crashing through the floor is not propaganda. Just go and try some exchange some for nice crisp dollars - you know, real money.
I've heard this crap many times from the west's opponents. And in every case, the western report turned out to be more accurate (or at least, equally inaccurate if the fog of war was dense enough).
@lordsnooty Well Snootski, the rouble crashing through the floor is not propaganda. Just go and try some exchange some for nice crisp dollars - you know, real money.
I've heard this crap many times from the west's opponents. And in every case, the western report turned out to be more accurate (or at least, equally inaccurate if the fog of war was dense enough).
check the hryvnia you mug!
@lordsnooty Well Snootski, the rouble crashing through the floor is not propaganda. Just go and try some exchange some for nice crisp dollars - you know, real money.
I've heard this crap many times from the west's opponents. And in every case, the western report turned out to be more accurate (or at least, equally inaccurate if the fog of war was dense enough).
I'm happy to tell you the rouble has regained all its value.The hryvnia, btw has not done so yet.
@lordsnooty Well Snootski
I've heard this crap many times from the west's opponents.
And have you heard that Russia is expanding at a rate coarsely proportional to the level of the west's sanctions.
Donetsk and Luhansk have already parted company with Ukraine likewise Crimea! what else, now South Ossetia has deemed it a good time to quit Georgia and rejoin Russia, it is something of a trend, once the threat of NATO is lifted, nations start to drift eastwards to where they belong, Mother Russia , slowly but surely....
https://www.rt.com/russia/553007-south-ossetia-unite-plan/
It's only a small nation, similar in physical size to Skye. But it is a meaningful addition as Ukraine is broken up, this is not going good for the West, instead of Balkanising Russia, Russia is balkanising the west.... this was not meant to happen with your plan, was it?
@lordsnooty Well Snootski, the rouble crashing through the floor is not propaganda. Just go and try some exchange some for nice crisp dollars - you know, real money.
The rouble has been going up for some weeks, since the world now needs roubles to buy oil and corn, which are somewhat more useful that dollars. It is very useful that Russia and China have done much to undermine the dollar!It's a good thing if it makes the US less malignant.
@lordsnooty Russia is heading for 20% inflation and a 10% fall in GNP. These are the kind of figures that bring about regime change, Snootski. Watch your back!
Putin has also wiped out Russia's biggest, nearest market for gas.
Still, at least he'll be able to enjoy walking through the ruins of Mariupol soon. It'll all be worth while.
@lordsnooty Russia is heading for 20% inflation and a 10% fall in GNP. These are the kind of figures that bring about regime change, Snootski. Watch your back!
Putin has also wiped out Russia's biggest, nearest market for gas.
Still, at least he'll be able to enjoy walking through the ruins of Mariupol soon.
well they are certainly stoking 20% inflation in the west due to your dumbarse circular firing squad which damages you more than Russia, you mug!
wrt: mariupol, it was host to the Azov battalion, and hence Russia had to destroy it in order to save it.
Oil prices are high, but Russian oil is trading at a discount.
Your car can't tell it's Russian petrol. I'll explain why Zelensky is so desperate suddenly to make a deal. As Gav Dom spells out here:
The Maps provided by the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) and widely used in media reports are in complete disagreement with those provided by other sources. Gav helpfully provides a more realistic map, showing that the Azov Battalion (60,000 men, a third of all Ukraine soldiers, and circled in black), is practically surrounded by Russian forces(in green) The Nazi regiment is cut off and facing the Donbass forces to the east, they are being annihilated, as I write, cut off surrounded and trapped as they are in a Cauldron of fire.
The realistic map shows two Russian advances from north and south, practically meeting to divide East Ukraine in halves. And that is why the game is practically up for Zelensky, he'll take any deal offered now.
@lordsnooty Yes, and you said Putin would win easy, and that didn't happen either.
@lordsnooty Yes, and you said Putin would win easy, and that didn't happen either.
no you are lying again, I said there was no easy way out by prolonging the way out. You really should do something to help you stop lying.
@lordsnooty Yes, and you said Putin would win easy,
That's a downright lie! Even the fat useless clot Johnson, has realised, saying it's a tragedy for the west to back Ukraine.
Putin’s war is intended to cause economic damage to the west and to benefit him,” he told the conference. He knows that with every dollar increase in the price of a barrel of oil, he gets billions more in revenues from the sales of either oil and gas, and that’s the tragedy of the situation.
basically, the fat useless clot knows he's stuck.
@lordsnooty But he isn't benefiting. Try swapping some of your roubles for dollars, Snootski.
@lordsnooty Have you seen this meme going around, Snootski?
A month ago Russia had the second best army in the world.
Now it has the second best army in Ukraine.
As a neutral commentator, you will of course enjoy this.
@lordsnooty Yes, and you said Putin would win easy, and that didn't happen either.
I did not say that, but I'd just like to ask you. How do the sanctions against Russia differ from the Versailles Treaty sanctions against Germany following the first world war? And why would the results be different ? The international coalition against Germany only served to make another world war inevitable. In 1939 we could risk a world war, we cannot risk it today.
@lordsnooty They differ in all kinds of ways. Sanctions against Russia are intended to change behaviour, whereas Versailles reparations were intended to pay back damages. The restrictions on military size were supposed to inhibit Germany's ability to wage war again in the future. Pretty much everything about Versailles was already wiped out long before WW2 - it wasn't the cause of fascism. (For example, Spain and Italy also fell victim to fascism.)
Sanctions against Putin can't be the cause of war - the war has already started. They are a consequence of war, not a cause of it. They are an attempt to achieve a satisfactory outcome (ie Russia's withdrawal from occupied territory) by peaceful means instead of war.
The problem with using sanctions like this is that they are very slow to operate, while the war is now and 10s of thousands are dying.
If Putin is set on WW3 there's no way anyone can avoid, no more than any appeasement would have satisfied Hitler.
@lordsnooty ThSanctions against Russia are intended to change behaviour
But there has been no change of behaviour by NATO. They are getting deeper and deeper into a war they are (all civilised people hope ) destined to lose but which meanwhile kills thousands of normal people. You are an evil ghoul for prolonging this proxy war, brought on from America. Deep shame on you.
The restrictions on military size were supposed to inhibit Germany's ability to wage war again in the future.
But Germany DID wages war agin much better and with far worse results, as NATO would like to try.
it wasn't the cause of fascism.
Ukraine was fascist long before Putin put a stop to it, the recent surrenders in Mariupol is the fist sign that the Joint Forces Operation is buckling, starved of supplies and hated by the world. Let us all fervently hope the remainder of that NAZI army is killed off in the coming week.
sanctions are very slow to operate, while the war is now and 10s of thousands are dying.
Too slow to help Ukraine. but not too slow to damage the West in you circular firing squad.
I hope, by the time you read this, that the JFO has been annihilated, if you care two hoots about civilisation you should think likewise.
Assuming there is some resolution to the Ukraine conflict the time taken for removal of sanctions wil be longer than it takes for the west to wean itself off russian hydrocarbons. That means Putin has shot himself and the country in the foot.
It is also a shot in the arm for moving towards renewables and managing climate change.
Assuming there is some resolution to the Ukraine conflict the time taken for removal of sanctions wil be longer than it takes for the west to wean itself off russian hydrocarbons. That means Putin has shot himself and the country in the foot.
It is also a shot in the arm for moving towards renewables and managing climate change.
I'll go wi the British Prime Minister's assessment of the matter ...
Putin’s war is intended to cause economic damage to the west and to benefit him,” He knows that with every dollar increase in the price of a barrel of oil, he gets billions more in revenues from the sales of either oil and gas, and that’s the tragedy of the situation.
I suspect the time for sanctions removal is likely to be many years in the future. Snootski's business model makes no sense. Russia's way of life is going to regress.
I suspect the time for sanctions removal is likely to be many years in the future. Snootski's business model makes no sense. Russia's way of life is going to regress.
The longer warmongers like you prolong the war, the longer will be the impacts on the west, Russia of course is self sufficient, in most things, what is lacks china makes.You must very much enjoy the flashes and bangs on your television,consider the JFO who are being pulversided from all four directions. as I write. And least the weapons you supply cannot reach the JFO , who according to the schedule are cut off and marooned in Russian territory.All that so you can gloat online, deep shame on you.
Also snootski's attempt at economics ignores the fundamental principle. Supply and demand and the impact on price.
Say Putin can sell oil again..price goes down
That's a downright lie!
Surreal moment. Snootski accuses someone of lying.
It's what he does when he runs out of propaganda to repeat.
To tell you the truth, I think Putin's won the east here, good and proper .
If the JFO is already obliterated or in chains (which is likely), then the Donbass is already safe, and if the JFO retreats to defend Kiev , it will be in rags by then or waits until summer to be killed off, it's checkmate either way, The AZOv Nazis in Mariupol had the potential to be a terrorist thorn on Putin's side, that's why he is dedicating so much to their utter annihilation. It all hinges on killing everyone of the Asoc battalion. Everyday, I wake hoping to hell it's over, and I think finally for the JFO in east Ukraine it is starting to look like it's curtains (fingers crossed )for those .... Only time will tell.
It's what he does when he runs out of propaganda to repeat.
I wake hoping to hell it's over,
Well this is somewhat difficult to believe, since you seem to be revelling in the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
I wake hoping to hell it's over,
Well this is somewhat difficult to believe, since you seem to be revelling in the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
You seem to have forgotten my prediction ... the Russians will shell central Kiev into fragments over the course of the next week, a... whether this occurs is up to the Ukrainian government and the US/UK who rule the roost.
It turned out to be Mariupol, not Kiev. but otherwise I was spot on.
And guess what .. weeks pass while your tactics of waiting, paralysed and complaining and wringing your hands have done no good whatsoever to anybody, you and your ilk have merely prolonged the war for you own entertainment, it's sick. ... I imagine you perched over your screen, enjoying every minute as you fight this war right down to the last heroic Ukrainian. Shame on you for loving it.
I wake hoping to hell it's over,
Well this is somewhat difficult to believe, since you seem to be revelling in the suffering of the Ukrainian people.
you have done and your pointless ilk have done _much_ worse than just prolong the war due to your thoughtless, self-obsessive nonsense to gratify you own ego. You have delayed the corn planting season in a district vital to world food supplies, deep shame on you and your Neocon cretin friends.
Don't project your enjoyment of the destruction of Mariupol onto others. You have made countless posts showing your support for the invasion and al the horrors that comes with it.
Just go back and read what you have written.
Just go back and read what you have written.
I have written that I want the war to be ended as soon as possible, you have written to admit you hope to prolong it as much as possible.
