27 March 2021  /  Updated 17 July 2021
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ewloe
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A friend of mine who lives in Gelsenkirchen, in the Rhur says this :

So now shops and everywhere , zoos, parks, toy shops is vaccinated only. So all the unvaccinated can't do or go anywhere, no restaurants, not even fast food places. They can't go Xmas shopping or to the fair. They can only go to food supermarkets and the chemist. So good time to sell online.
 
she says ''only 64% are double jabbed. I get my booster next week"

 
Earlier, I heard a German politician complaining about people in Thuringia, the old East Germany. I seems that it is now the pattern to blame the poorest for the crisis, GelsenKirchen, for example is a rust belt mining city. It seems to me that the least educated, poorest and least accomplished people are spurning vaccine and hence get blamed. I suppose poorly educated people are the most susceptible ones to the anti-vaxx message.Hence in this country, the metropolitan elite seem most disposed to be vaccinated and comply with government goals.
 
This seems to be a gerneral pattern arounf the West.
 
 
 
 
 
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It seems to me that the least educated, poorest and least accomplished people are spurning vaccine and hence get blamed. I suppose poorly educated people are the most susceptible ones to the anti-vaxx message.
 
 

Sadly this is true. Add to that people on the far right.

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"I suppose poorly educated people are the most susceptible ones to the anti-vaxx message."

Well, it is a complicated phenomena arising from a different relationship to institutions more widely.  Those with PhDs are, apparently, the most resistant to vaccination, but the assumption you make concerns a more complex phenomena involving the nature of legitimation.  Because 'involvement', that is, citizenship, access to forms of personhood, is class-based, and, in this scam, being used to extort compliance, it makes sense for those with least access to recognised forms of social existence and publicly mediated sources of identity to forego vaccination: if you are already, largely, socially excluded, there are less sources of public, institutional, mediation that can be used to extort your compliance.  The more exposed to devaluation you are, publicly, the less you accept the legitimacy of the state apparatus, hence the hatred of lower class people for the few middle class apparatchiks they usually meet: teachers.

  It had been one of my early hopes that possibly this politically manufactured debacle might found a sensitivity to the effects of devaluation more generally but I realise that was a stupid assumption to make, it will lead, as most scarcity does, to deeper enmity.

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Depends, if most of your peers are least educated, that's all you're going to see. I think the economically deprived are less likely to trust government, regarding anything, not just vaccines.

Most of my peers are highly educated and remain very sceptical of the vax propaganda. I think this is because the highly educated are much more aware of how little we actually know when we dig into a specific scientific area.

vax hesitancy across education levels follow a U shaped curve, least and most educated are more likely to be hesitant, while the highest educated levels are also least likely to change their opinion.

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/

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@impobs The poor have an almost continuous life-long experience of the exploitative nature of social institutions.  Institutions serve very different functions for the different class groups because they one of the key mediums for the exercise of the will of the powerful, this is why they segregate and occupy a private society.  This is what the pandemic is about.  After decades of separation, their alienation from the vast bulk of humanity is manifest in their instrumental relation to them.  This pandemic has been dictated by highly constructed representations of the phenomenon with those making decisions resisting alternatives with authoritarian determination mirroring both their alienation and the constructed nature of their relationship to the phenomena of the well being of the populations they are supposed to be concerned to promote.

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Posted by: @impobs

the highest educated levels are also least likely to change their opinion.

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/

The survey took place over 5 months. In four of the five months, the phd group was not the most hesitant, in the last month, may, they were, I suspect unherd used the one plot which confirmed their narrative.just saying ...

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@ewloe 

Its even worse than that. Its a Facebook user survey so its basically a self selecting internet survey. So statistically worthless.  Its in the same category as those "studies" which are some grad student wandering around campus asking whoever stops and talks to them to fill out a questionnaire. And stopping when they have maybe a hundred filled out questionnaires.  If that many. The results will have no actual scientific significance as its such a non representative sample group.  

At least in the US the actual correlation is socio-economic, race and degree of trust in the MSM. The last being the most important. As there is no longer any center or right of center MSM any more in the US only those with left or left of center politics believe the MSM can be trusted. That is why the MSM in the US have the lowest trust rating of any Western county. Even with Independent voters. A big change for 30 or 40 years ago when the MSM in the US was still very much center or center right. And still very much trusted by all political hues. 

And in the US, like every other Western country, belief in the official government narrative regarding the COVID and the vaccines is directly correlated to people exposure to and belief in the national MSM.  In the case of the UK this being basically the BBC. So in France, for example, where there is no complete dominance of broadcast news media like there is with the BBC in the UK, a larger percentage of the population are skeptical of the current mass hysteria. 

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