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Any news on how the Govt and NHS leaders have been preparing the NHS for this winter?

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Obviously they will have been working hard at this behind the scenes, but presumably they will know they likelihood that mass testing give lead to an exponential rise in cases and of course deaths from next month until Christmas.

Or are they, now they know so much more about the virus, abandoning the "with covid" designation so that they don't create yet more hysteria and facilitate the next lockdown per Johnson's latest statement. 

Or will it simply not matter what state the NHS is in, given the vaccine passports which will be introduced next month alongside the renewal of the  emergency laws will stamp out covid deaths completely by banning all unvaccinated people from daily life.

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We now know the answer to this:

- they haven't.

The leaked/denied/vague statements about an October lockdown are evidence on previous form that lockdown will be happening, thus proving that jab program has already been decided to have been ineffective at stopping lockdowns. 

And, to reiterate, it appears the govt has done nothing much to prepare the NHS for the annual inevitable autumn and winter surge in respiratory infections.

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Posted by: @coronanationstreet

We now know the answer to this:

it appears the govt has done nothing much to prepare the NHS for the annual inevitable autumn and winter surge in respiratory infections.

I have been trying to understand why the government over the last week or two has made a concerted push to raise taxes, money is needed to reduce NHS waiting times.And money has been needed for decades to fix adult social care. The push is because Boris sees Rishi Sunak as a great threat,so he wants to neutralise there three issues (waiting times, social care and the threat from Sunak) in one go. Having done so, he can put (say) £10 bn to the NHS, which is £150 per person per year, that's a lot and would go some way to helping the NHS problems, but it takes time, that's why Boris was in such a great rush to conclude this Parliamentary business. Having backed Boris' plan, MPs are no longer in such a rush to dump him. That's Boris' theory. I believe it is too late now to make a material difference to next winter. In the longer term, he has taken the socialist route of increasing the burdon on younger working people to retain votes of pensioners. The biggest gainers are the baby boomers, retired people over 60.

 

 

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"The biggest gainers are the baby boomers, retired people over 60"

most of whom cant afford private health care and will die from treatable conditions on NHS waiting lists

 

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 Posted by: @1984

"The biggest gainers are the baby boomers, retired people over 60"

most of whom cant afford private health care and will die from treatable conditions on NHS waiting lists

 

Your remark is facile. It was because common people could not afford private doctors that the NHS came to be. Comprehensive Private health care is only affordable for the wealthy few common people without mortgages while  they are young and healthy. Insurance firms exist to pay dividends which the retired boomers demand to pay their pensions. Leading causes of deaths are not curable nor preventable, strokes, advanced heart disease, dementia, altzheimers, cancer, if you think private health care could make a dent in those you have another think coming.

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@ewloe I think you misunderstood me. my bad for not explaining myself better

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@ewloe I think you misunderstood me. my bad for not explaining myself better

There is no ideal way to run healthcare services in the same way that there is no ideal way to run a country. If I were running matters, I would explicitly drop the goal of prolonging life amongst the elderly. Instead I would promote the goal of dying with dignity and of minimising suffering. 

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I have a feeling that the NHS will actually collapse this winter (not pretend collapse, as has happened every winter for the last 30 years).

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Looking at the govt. figures the jabs appear to make Covid more deadly? 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf

 

page 22 shows deaths by vaccination status - 

unvaccinated deaths    536

double jabbed deaths  1,091

single jab deaths         242

 

...i know there are a lot more vaccinated people than not, but if you look at the number cases to deaths in each cohort

unvaccinated case:death ratio       0.25%

double jabbed case:death ratio      1.74% !!!!!

so we are seven times more likely to die from Covid if we have two jabs than someone with no jabs?

..and we want to mandate two jabs for health workers. Is nobody from the government surveilling the post vaccination statistics?

 

It's a long time since i did any maths so hopefully i've made a simple mistake in my workings.

 

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