Here it is. The damaging work done by the deconstitutionalising figure, Blair, is to be completed by another deconstitutionalising figure, Starmer. The Lords are, in effect, to be completely abolished. There will still be a thing called a House of Lords. But it will have no actual Lords in it. Let me quote from the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill. It will “remove the remaining connection between hereditary peerage and the House of Lords”.
Just to remind you, in 1999 the ‘Hereditaries’ were thrown out of the Lords. By a typical Cecil compromise (courtesy of the then Lord Cranborne), 92 of them were allowed to stay. In 2025 they, too, will be thrown out. (Charles Moore in the Spectator tells us that there was a cross-party attempt in the Lords to keep on the hereditary peers as life peers. “Labour sullenly faced it down.”)
Then the only hereditary position in the entire kingdom will be that of the King.
A higher, or second, house, such as the House of Lords or the US Senate, is supposed to lend authority to the counsels of the realm or republic. Polybius, a long time ago, noticed that the institutions of republican Rome came in three forms. The consuls were monarchical. The senate was aristocratic. The comitia and tribunes were democratic. The second of these, the senate, was the one with the least actual power = imperium or potestas. What it possessed, however, was auctoritas = authority. (It also controlled the purse strings.) A second, or higher, house is supposed to grant some sort of authority to the deliberations of the political order: and does so by not possessing the prerogative powers of King, Consul or President and not possessing the unwieldly and wild wisdom of the rabble.
There are three logics for how we can fill such a second house or senate.
The first is that it is filled by placemen and also, now, placewomen. You know, Johnson, Sunak, Truss etc. ‘raise’ their cronies. The Honours System = the Compliance System.
The second is that it is filled by those possessing merit. Well, occasionally, almost by accident, this happens. Consider, say, Michael Young (astonishingly, not indexed in a book on Edward Shils I just read: Shils considered Young one of the greatest English sociologists of the 1950s.) Consider, say, Toby Young. That is, the inventor of the word ‘meritocracy’ and his son. In the pages of the Daily Sceptic it is easy to say that the son rose by independent merit, not by inheritance.
The third is that it is filled by those who have taken some sort of responsibility, some sort of burden. These are the true Lords. They have something to live up to: a name, a status, lands, tenants. They have the ‘feudal spirit’: a phrase that only barely hands on in P.G. Wodehouse novels. They did not choose their fate. They have something to live up to. As a matter of birth.
Responsibility. Not rights, not credits, not bonuses. Instead, duties, debts. Yes, indeed, our feudal lords came over in 1066 and seized England and made the English their vassals. But, in fact, everyone was the vassal of someone else, and, ultimately, the vassal of the king. And the king was not, or not always, a fool. Kings were either born responsible, or had responsibility thrust upon them. If neither, they were dispatched in the manner of Edward II, Richard III or Henry VI. I was just looking again at a history of Parliament by Ronald Butt that I bought when I was an undergraduate. It has a plan of the old Palace of Westminster at the front. Well, William Rufus, not known for responsibility, built (in 1097) the still remarkable Westminster Hall: and it was soon the residence of the Law Courts. The king was, whether he wanted to be or not, responsible. His lawyers occupied the grandest chamber in Europe. The exchequer was nearby. Henry III built a great chamber for himself, the Painted Chamber: soon it, too, came to be used by the community of the realm. Lords eventually separated off to the White Chamber, while the Commons congregated first in the Chapter House of Westminster Abbey and, later on, in St Stephen’s chapel. Kings had to keep building new palaces to get away from government: but they never succeeded. Henry VIII built Whitehall to get away from Westminster: but government kept creeping on, and eventually took over Whitehall as well. In a year or two, they’ll be housing HR types and Spads in Buckingham Palace…
The king was the feudal overlord. Yet he was not only a dominating figure: he was a responsible figure, a rex imposing rules (as well being a military dux leading armies over to France or Scotland or Wales or Ireland). And the other lords were also responsible. If Henry II was a great scholar, and Edward I chastised the barons with his Quo Warranto writs, John was chastised or coerced by the barons at Runymede in 1215, and Henry III was chastised or coerced by the barons at Oxford in 1245. Everyone took responsibility. And the mark of such responsibility is that it ended in death for those who went too far in overbalancing the constitution: including Simon de Montfort and Warwick the Kingmaker. Also Charles I, who was tried in Rufus’s Westminster Hall.
I know, I am going on a bit.
Nowadays we are all – courtesy of Bentham and Paine – born-again humanists. We believe in rights and utilities. We are, in fact, born yesterday: come out of revolutionary eggs. A bit cracked in the head. Living in Newfoundland. Remembering nothing. For us, a constitution is a political fix: a ‘fix’ in both senses: fixing a problem, for those who like it, and getting us in a ‘fix’, for those who don’t like it.
But a true constitution is an ancient thing. It is made, as Cicero said, by many men at many times. It is what Burke said it was: a tree under which we live and graze. It was, by definition, or more accurately, by antiquity, an ‘ancient constitution’. Its antiquity was one of its chief merits: this lent it authority; and it lent it authority because it was 1. obscure, hence authoritative, and 2. when historians like David Hume dragged it out of its obscurity, seen to be even more remarkable: a consequence of almost continual battle between warring parties, none of whom had the national interest at heart: and yet each one of whom contributed their bit – whether we mean Thomas Becket or Thomas Cromwell or Oliver Cromwell or Bonnie Prince Charlie – to the eventual order. It was burnt out of negativity as much as out of positivity: it was burnt out of battle. Kings defended liberties; Antikings defended order: paradoxes abounded. The paradoxes have not yet ceased.
Now, I think that the arguments against hereditary lords are either hypocritical or subversive. Some say, on principle, that we should have no hereditary positions at all. It is ‘out of date’. About this, it is only necessary to say that ‘out of date’ is not an argument. It is an attempt to say ‘Adieu!’ without any justification at all. It is the sort of argument that could be used by anyone against anyone. The others agree, but out of envy. They resent hereditary power, or authority, because they do not themselves possess it. Perhaps they secretly want it for themselves.
Both are irresponsible about our history. I think we need hierarchies, and I think we need hierarchies to be hierarchies of value. There needs to be aspiration, and aspiration cannot exist outside of a hierarchy. At the moment the only hierarchies appear to be ‘fame’ and ‘wealth’. Except insofar as we are stupefied by those who are famous or wealthy there is absolutely nothing in a society based on fame or wealth that gives us anything to believe in. We can only believe in something if it is a matter of truth, or reverence, or loyalty. All of our histories are stories of the means by which we compounded originally usurping, violent power with rituals that assured it the possibility of being revered: the discovery being that reverence went with responsibility.
The hereditary principle is a real principle. It is not an abstract principle, or lack of principle, like Rawls’s original position. The hereditary principle appeals to our common sense. Our sense that society will have hierarchies and that these hierarchies should be dignified, and that dignity requires solemnity, gravity, continuity, responsibility. The hereditary principle appeals to our sense of history. In fact, it gives us a sense of history. History is only found in institutions: Monarchy, Papacy, Lordship, College, even Newspaper, certainly literary Canon. The hereditary principle also sanctifies birth. We need reasons to value birth. We need to believe in heredity: in the sort of continuities that make marriage and children worthwhile. Heredity supports the old marital system: of investment in each other and in children.
I wrote before about a threefold: mediocracy, meritocracy and mystationanditsdutiesocracy. We live in a mediocracy. We partly believe in meritocracy. But better than both is a mystationanditsdutiesocracy: a world in which those with merit can be assimilated into an older order, so that those without merit can accept them and not feel demoralised. At the moment, our elites are mediocre and, in this situation, even those with merit feel demoralised.
The hereditary principle also tied us to land. In an increasingly urban world this may not make sense. It makes almost no practical sense to me: I own no property, and likely never will. But it was feudalism and lordship that made provinces matter, enabled marches to be defended, made peasants matter, even made the lords matter. Consider Edward II’s coronation oath: the suggest that the king would observe the laws of the land. The laws of the land: signifying importance of land. If we are tied to land, somehow, we will take responsibility for that land. Scruton said that this was the basis of the argument that demonstrated that conservation, properly understood, was conservative.
The House of Commons may, or may not, serve a useful purpose. But since the early 19th century what we have seen is a process by which the House of Commons has assimilated into itself the old balanced constitution of King, Lords and Commons. Those who admired the structure established in 1688-89 admired such balance. But the balance was exploded after the French Revolutionary Wars, and despite Bagehot’s English Constitution, and his emphasis on the cabinet, and Dicey’s emphasis on Parliament and the rule of law (though he never explained how they could ever be reconciled and legal theorists still pore over this exact problem), everything was tumbled into the clash of parties, Lib-Con-Lab: and such balance as our system has had in the last few hundred years has depended on decaying institutions, educated memory and the improvisations of the sudden born-again kings and queens we call Prime Minister: as aided and abetted by the vast magisterium of the Civil Service – as we know, recently corrupted by born-yesterday entitlements and bastardised post-Christian religions.
It is too late. But we should have hereditary lords.
As the 3rd Lord Attlee said, “Once the legislation comes into full effect, all the peers on the political benches will owe their position in Parliament to knowing someone in the Westminster bubble.”
As the Earl of Devon said, the Lords will only be those who “have got there for whatever nefarious reasons”.
Yes, these hereditary peers say that the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill should not be passed. The argument was put in the Spectator some time ago, and, I presume, in other places, like the Telegraph. Perhaps their position means that they cannot go further: noblesse oblige and all that. But I’d say – ignoblesse oblige – that Blair’s old House of Lords Act of 1999 should be repealed. The Lords should be restored. The debate should be which 92 of the placemen, placewomen and men and women or merit should be allowed to retain their seats – as hereditaries.
James Alexander is a Professor in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University in Turkey.
Stop Press: Toby has written a defence of the hereditary peers in this week’s Spectator.
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It’s genuinely hard to believe that people seemingly otherwise capable of functioning reasonably normally in society can actually be quite that stupid/ignorant. There’s always the suspicion that they wanted him out for other reasons.
“He added that he had “no negative feelings towards my band. They’re doing what they believe is best for them, while I am doing the same.”
What a bloody saint!
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Um. Have I got this right?
China had 71 ‘infections’ on Wednesday.
The population of China is approaching 1.5 billion.
China has a bad Covviproblem.
Yeah?
Do they have any new footage of crisis actors dropping “dead” in the streets, or are they just re-running their greatest hits?
And Toby believes that if all Australians were stuffed with monkey gunk, they’d become happy and free?
Gimme strength.
I was wondering that too. I believe TY, despite his many critics, is genuine and has been a huge asset, making himself even more unpopular than he already was. But his seeming blindness for the evil being perpetrated by political leaders is frustrating and puzzling.
I think the vaccine pushing lobby is so large, so all-powerful and so threatening that very few people are willing to oppose it publicly. Look at what has happened to some of the heads of government around the world who have done so.
I’m not sure what the solution is really, short of civil unrest.
Impfung macht frei.
What actually caused Australia’s current, interminable lockdown addiction was copping the original virus during the southern hemisphere spring/summer in 2019/2020 which greatly muted the effect of the virus. The federal and all state governments, however, took the credit for it courtesy of harsh lockdowns and they subsequently haven’t been able to wean themselves off the lockdown drug – single digit ‘cases’ see them reaching for the lockdown liquor time and again (eighteen lockdowns, to be precise, since the Big One of 2020 – four in Victoria, Western Australia and Queensland, three in New South Wales, two in South Australia and one in the Northern Territory).
We are now in Phase One of a purported Four-Phase national roadmap out of lockdown (‘vaccine’-uptake-driven, of course) during which lockdowns were meant to be a ‘last resort’ (NSW, Victoria and my home state of South Australia put paid to that particular phrase before the ink had even dried on the Plan). Phase Four (the Freedom Phase) still envisages lockdowns but says they will be ‘rare’. Yeah, right!
The great plan has set a target of 80% of the 16+ population being ‘vaccinated’ to achieve (vaxx-induced) herd immunity which is resulting in a full-court press of propaganda/pleading, coercion/cajoling, bullying/bribing to get the pharmaceutical hooch into as many arms as possible. When we find out that the ‘vaccines’ don’t work and ‘cases’ (worthless PCR positives) will still pop up out of the woodwork, the state premier control-freaks and their health technocrats will do their lockdown thing again and again, adding lockdown insult to ‘vaccine’ injury.
I’m a pretty easygoing, equable sort of guy but never have I felt such furious hatred for the turkeys running the Covid show in the Land of Oz. I want my country back, the one that generations of hard-working people built and that had made Australia such a wonderful place to live – before the Covid fifth columnists got to work.
Phil
South Australia
Australia is run by ignorant fools, but so are nearly all other countries. “We are all in this (the shit) together” applies more than ever and Big Pharma advocate Toby is not helping matters in Ausralia or anywhere else.
In the video linked below, the vaccinologist Robert Malone, who invented both the mRNA vaccine and the recombinant viral vector vaccine technologies, tells us why the Pfizer vaccine program should be stopped immediately. I expect Malone will soon be saying the same thing about all of the western vaccines, when further evidence is to hand.
https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html
Even Toby must be starting to doubt the full vaccine-worship that he began with.
As I see it there is a range of positions on the vaccines, something like:
1 The vaccines are our techno-saviours, devised by brilliant and selfless geniuses to save us from the evils of disease.
2 The vaccines are indeed our techno-saviours, albeit created by self-interested drug companies who need to be kept an eye on, but should not be used on children or imposed on those who either willfully or due to some unusual vulnerability to side effects, choose not to have them. Mass vaccination is fine as long as there isn’t coercion
3 The vaccines are legitimate treatments, but carry some risks and should be used only where justified. Mass vaccination should be halted in view of the retreat of covid as a threat and the evidence of side effects in some people.
4 The vaccines are dangerous experimental treatments that are only justifiable in particular cases where there is a particularly high risk of harm from covid. Mass vaccination is at best criminally negligent.
5 The vaccines are a “kill-shot” designed with harmful intent by evil geniuses to kill off large numbers of the gullible population and sterilise the rest, and the whole coronapanic was just the setup to allow them to be imposed upon the world.
Personally, I’m at a pretty solid 4 on that scale. I think Toby started out close to 1, but has moved to 2 recently as more evidence about the harms and relative ineffectiveness of the vaccines has emerged. He might even have privately started to drift past 2 towards 3.
Obviously the scale simplifies things heavily, and in particular there’s another range of opinion involved concerning the degree of perceived danger from covid.
Yup. Before the vaccines came along I would probably have said I was at 2, now I am at 4.
I think I’ve probably drifted from 3 initially (but with concerns about the negative political effects of vaccination being seen as having “saved us”), out to a definite 4 now.
Yes good point – my starting at (2) would have included a caveat that while vaccines were all well and good if safe and effective etc they must not be seen the solution, just a bonus, never a justification for lockdowns or necessary condition for exiting them.
Even before they were supposedly out of the lab, the vaccines were alway going to be the only allowable solution and they are perhaps better described as “the final solution”.
It seems abundantly clear that this well telegraphed “pandemic” was arranged very much for the very purpose of injecting each of us, with a little something, that will solve what certain globalists perceive to be the global overpopulation problem.
Sad as it may seem, depopulation ties up all the loose ends and inconsistencies of the Covid fiasco.
The penny is finally dropping with some people, but most refuse to accept the logic.
I’m a solid 4 too.
Vaccines of the past that have been well tested and have very low rates of serious harm have made life for millions far better. I had a family member whose life was blighted by polio, so I’m very happy that I and my kids were saved from that risk.
In the last 20+ years pharma has tried to find solutions to too many things. Not everything can be cured with drugs (look at the numbers of antidepressant use). In the rush to do so has pushed other more natural solutions into obscurity. Pharma has stopped being our saviours and become very greedy.
I’ve always been pretty cynical about big pharma and corporate-driven over-medicalisation, as well as hostile to nanny state intrusion based on healthcare, but I did regard drugs and vaccinations as legitimate in some cases. Still do, I suppose, but the experience of the past 18 months has certainly promoted the cynical side on these issues…
Wasn’t there some controversy about the polio situation, and the issue of how much its reduction was actually due to the vaccines? Not an area I’ve investigated closely, but I seem to recall some well argued contrarian positions.
I think there was a polio immunisation programme in Africa few years back which went wrong and actually caused a polio epidemic.
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/polio-outbreak-sudan-caused-oral-vaccine-72766683
One of the most radical arguments was that so called polio was originally caused by newly invented and fashionable pesticides, from the 30s onwards, which were sprayed directly over people in swimming pools, over family gardens, playgrounds etc, and the dissemination of which coincided very closely with the first “outbreaks” of polio, a neurological/nerve disorder. The argument continues by saying that the banning of such pesticide use, in the west if not in developing countries, ( where “polio” continued to be a problem …. ), coincided with the introduction of polio vaccines which seemed to solve the problem. A killing was made by pharmaceutical companies, in all directions.
Looking at evidence, somewhere between 3 & 4, seems about right.
It would be quite interesting to do that as a full survey of site users, and ask the atl contributors for their personal positions.
The other interesting question is if, and how, personal positions have moved over the course of the coronapanic. My own position has definitely moved higher over time. I probably started out close to 3, but it was complicated for me by my concerns about the political impact of vaccination.
Mass vaccination at present is a crime, even without coercion, as information on the real level of vaccine damage and death is clearly being suppressed. In these circumstances it is not possible for anyone to give informed consent. Of course, I’m at level 5 and we’re all heading there, just at different speeds.
I currently feel like i am at number 8
I am Number 6
My initial position was one of sceptical positivity – I thought they would be useful for the vulnerable to reduce serious disease, but was wary of long term side effect profile.
My current position is that the benefits are less than initially touted, and the short term side effect profile far worse (long term remains unknown). They are not suitable for all but a very small portion of the population who are at high risk, but not at deaths door (morbidly obese, possibly with other comorbidities etc). It’s so hard to tell as the data provided by Pfizer are so poor as to (1) who gets most benefit (2) who suffers most side effects.
Given that it’s so hard to tell, I don’t think anyone should be getting them, we should halt their use, and proper studies done in a very targeted at risk population.
I am not sure what numbers that best fits!
Sounds like a 3 moving to 4 as more evidence has come out – pretty much where I’ve been.
Toby has totally blown his pro vaccine cover. He should know better, but clearly they have needled him into supporting depopulation.
What a wanker
Always remember two things:
We are the lucky ones who defied the odds to survive the deadly virus in 2020 – that puts me in the lucky 99.97% of those under 75 (although 100,000 under 75s died from other causes). My 3 kids all survived despite the higher but still horrific slaughter of 0.0005% of the under 30s last year !
THIS IS NOT FLU. Well, not if you live in an affluent Western country – Interesting figures shown by Simon Wood yesterday ( a statistician who believes in Statistics as opposed to the promotion of government policy) showing that flu and pneumonia killed more people than COVID worldwide in 2020. But even in the UK, excess deaths in 2020 were 54,600 (per Institute and Faculty of Actuaries – AAMR basis) including those killed needlessly by the lockdown, whereas we had 51,000 excess deaths in the Winter of 2017/18 (per ONS).
Children are at risk from this virus – we shouldn’t look just at death rates which are low (read virtually non-existent) for children, it’s also the increasing numbers of children with severe illness.
As Dr Haq, an assistant professor of pediatrics from Texas said in yesterday’s Washington Post, predictably and keenly noted by the Independent:
“All the while, as both a doctor and mother, I’ve wrestled with a certain dissonance: There is this popular notion that covid doesn’t affect children — and my public health and epidemiologic training reminds me that on a population level, it’s true. The majority of children who contract covid-19 will be asymptomatic or have mild disease. But I contrast this with the reality of being a clinician at the bedside of children critically ill from covid and covid-related illnesses.”
After reading this I looked at the UK, and the figures are truly shocking !
Between 8 Feb and 25 July this year (24 weeks), 1700 children under 14 were admitted to hospital with confirmed COVID (per NHS). And it gets worse: if you include all young people under 45 that increases to 16,000. It may not sound many in a country the size of the UK, but we only have 6,300,000 (yes six million three hundred thousand) hospital admissions a year in that age group (per NHS, 2015-16 figures).
Now, according to the Lancet Child and Adolescent Health, 4% of children hospitalised for COVID get neurological complications – that’s 68 people under 14 in the UK alone, a devastating 0.0006% of the population of that age. Back in the US, according to Dr Haq herself, 300 children have died of COVID – again decimating the population of only 80 million children.
It reminds me once more that I no more want doctors analysing death and illness stats than I would want an actuary analysing the inside of my body.
Indeed. Why people think doctors are any more qualified than the rest of us to make such decisions is beyond me, as is why people think doctors are incapable of vanity, arrogance, greed and dishonesty.
“Children hospitalised for covid” Do we even know what that means? If it’s the usual “with a positive test” nonsense then it means very little. My colleagues toddler shut her hand in the door and needed stitches – the hospital bullied her into getting her kid tested.
Your last paragraph highlights a massive problem. Medical professionals are generally not well informed on basic statistical issues, and are under the same intellectual and psychological constraints and pressures as the wider population.
In particular, they are under tremendous group-think downward pressures generated by politicized management, in turn subject to ‘floating turd syndrome’..
The repulsive Hanania creature claims that all covvideaths, at least in the US, are now among the unvaxxed.
Anybody got the real stats?
Nothing more obviously and better illustrates a nefarious drive behind vaccination than the mismatch between the 15% double jabbed in Oz and their govt’s draconian measures. Nowhere is a govt listening less to the wishes of the people.
When the government ignores the people, the people need to plan on ignoring the government and then putting the previous batch against a wall Ceaușescu style to immunize bureaucrats for a generation against health fascism.
Violence begets violence…not the answer! As someone said, war does not determine who is right; only who is left!
Force may or may not make right, but it does make real.
It’s better to reciprocate, it is after all the basis of civilisation.
This is the road down which we have now travelled some way. This author knew what he was talking about. He wrote this in 1951. He was Austrian:
‘Great Britain is to be called a socialist country not because certain enterprises have been formally expropriated and nationalized, but because all the economic activities of all citizens are subject to full control of the government and its agencies. The authorities direct the allocation of capital and of manpower to the various branches of business. They determine what should be produced. Supremacy in all business activities is exclusively vested in the government., The people are reduced to the status of wards, unconditionally bound to obey orders.’
‘British socialism was not an achievement of Mr. Attlee’s Labor Government, but of the war cabinet of Mr. Winston Churchill. What the Labor Party did was not the establishment of socialism in a free country, but retaining socialism as it had developed during the war and in the post-war period.’
‘The impact of this state of affairs is that practically very little is done to preserve the system of private enterprise. There are only middle-of-the roaders who think they have been successful when they have delayed for some time an especially ruinous measure. They are always in retreat. They put up today with measures which only ten or twenty years ago they would have considered as undiscussable. They will in a few years acquiesce in other measures which they today consider as simply out of the question. What can prevent the coming of totalitarian socialism is only a thorough change in ideologies. What we need is neither anti-socialism nor anti-communism but an open positive endorsement of that system to which we owe all the wealth that distinguishes our age from the comparatively straitened conditions of ages gone by’
‘The course of events in the past thirty years shows a continuous, although sometimes interrupted progress toward the establishment in this country (U.S.A.) of socialism of the British and German pattern. The United States embarked later than these two other countries upon this decline and is today still farther away from its end. But if the trend of this policy will not change, the final result will only in accidental and negligible points differ from what happened in the England of Attlee.’
The Middle Of The Road Leads To Socialism: Ludwig von Mises
I thought this site was about evidence and facts.
So why call a man “she” and “her”?
If you will swallow that cock and bull story, what else will you just roll over and take?
Cock, certainly.
Bullshit, most certainly.
Official Truth.
The contributors atl are pretty mainstream in their willingness to conform to societal taboos, even the recently manufactured ones on race and gender with obvious politically manipulative intent..
Often this is out of misplaced politeness. There’s a one sided error that is very widespread that says the only issue here is courtesy towards the individuals involved, failing to recognise that there is also the issue of kowtowing to political manipulation and bullying.
Basically, anybody trying to coerce or emotionally blackmail you into changing your own personal and long established use of language (such as pronouns, racial terms etc) is the aggressor, no matter how passive aggressive they are in the presentation of their manipulation.
The proper response, as it is to coronapanic coercion, is to dig your heels in and refuse to comply, but that carries costs, and quite heavy ones for those in the public eye especially.
If you don’t indulge the delusions of others you are a hater.
“Family describe ‘holiday from hell’ after being forced into quarantine”.
I feel really bad for the kids but the parents can’t complain – if you’re going to play the Russian roulette testing game then you have to accept the consequences.
According to that hot air article:
That’s pretty weird to anyone who hasn’t drunk the kool-aid.
The rest of it is more “the jab is great bs” with really scientific observations like this:
How did they do that then if the vaccines are actually vaccines?
Because vaccines are about triggering an immune reaction. That’s what they do.
The current Covid vaccines are not sterilising vaccines, but neither is flu vaccine.
Quite why some people want to get hung up on semantics is beyond me. It doesn’t help your argument.
Perhaps it’s because they’re trying to force the entire world population to take this untested shit.
You know if they came out and said “it’s no better than a flu vaccine and you’re still probably going to get covid presuming the shot doesn’t kill you first” that nobody under 50 would be taking it.
Exactly
Most people’s understanding of vaccines is that they are close to 100% effective in stopping you getting something and stopping you spreading it, and the messaging around helping others by getting vaxxed plays on that
It’s dishonest
Come on Lucan Grey, you are a very astute person, surely you can see the issue?
It’s not ‘semantics’. That’s an idiot notion.
The current range of snake oils are a fundamentally different (and essentially cytotoxic) mechanism.
If you don’t understand that, you should wait until you’ve learned bit more before engaging in debate.
Worse – this novel technology has been tested less than conventional vaccines, and have shown massively concerning levels of serious adverse events. Their widespread use is a contradiction of every known safety protocol, and ethically insupportable.
Result : Flashing red lights to all but the brainwashed/brain dead.
Im not sure it’s an idiot notion. The injected polio vaccine is non sterilising, I am led to understand.
Some other vaccines don’t stop you catching and spreading stuff because they’re a bit rubbish. They don’t produce a good durable immune response in all people. I am not sure this is the case for SARS-CoV2: it produces lots of antibodies for most people, but not the sort that operating in the mucosal membranes where the disease is caught, virus replicates and spreads to others.
is flu vaccine not sterilising, or is it just that you’re giving the wrong vaccine for the circulating flu strain?
He also states that a higher ct of 35 in the unvaxxed compared to one of 12 in the vaxxed means that the unvaxxed could be 3x as infectious.
A complete misunderstanding of ct, and as such, the very opposite is true.
There is ZERO data or analysis on the control group’s illnesses, just speculation that they might not have showed up in the first place.
Same with regard to actual vaccination rates in Mass. for these age groups, just speculation that it’s high there.
Utter garbage and propaganda.
Allah Pundit is no more than a wind up merchant, baiting the Trump supporters on Hotair.
To include his drivel is disappointing again from Mr Curzon.
Yoicks, think of the power we unvaxxed have. A tiny handful of us can, merely by existing, defeat the Safest And Most Effective Vaccines Known To Man.
The Mekon, the Daleks and the Borg combined couldn’t come near us!
Can a few unvaxed super spreaders go and hug the British cabinet?
Sad to see the TCW article make a ritualistic appeal to “international law” without citing it.
I suspect this is the Nuremberg Code oft referred to here, and – at the risk of the usual rage-dislikes – I have to again point out that relying on a law that isn’t a law won’t save us.
Odd quirks and remnants of it may have been adopted here and there into national laws or ethics guidelines, but there is no international court which recognises or will uphold it, and no Council of the Wise is going to ride in and rescue us.
If you think this isn’t the case and that the Nuremberg Code is an actual law, to which we can appeal, and which has the power to enforce its judgement, please do enlighten me, I’d be delighted to be wrong.
However, if that’s too cognitively dissonant, a thumbs down button is also available and ever so satisfying to mash.
I thumbsed you down – not because I disagree with you, you’re essentially right. It’s just that your last sentence made you sound like a condescending wanker and it actually quite satisfying to smash that button. Little wins – that’s all we have now.
In fairness to Rogerborg he did get massively down-voted on this (pretty harshly imo – he’s just expressing an opinion on what the legal situation actually is, not approving of it) the other day, so he’s just reacting to that and anticipating a repeat, perhaps hoping to defuse it. Understandable imo.
Its force, if it has any, is in recalling to people’s minds why we need basic rights and what happens when an apparently civilised country is gripped by hysteria and evil. Trouble is, most people just don’t see the parallels. They seem to think the human race in rich countries has evolved beyond the capacity for mass madness and wickedness in the space of a few generations.
You get the same with Magna Carta. And frankly on the other side The Power of the Mask. How many times have you heard the refrain: “It’s not about protecting you, it’s about protecting others”.
Because of course those others can’t protect themselves. After all they are donkeys in a sanctuary, not people. That all desperately need saving.
To be honest even the laws that get written down seem to have been totally ignored, and laws that are not on the books seem to be enforced…
Indeed – the Nuremberg Code isn’t law. But it is a foundational expression of the basic concepts of medical ethics that have been incorporated in law.
A quick heads up, for what to expect next…it’s the Doomsday Variant! Run for your lives!
https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13/doomsday-covid-variant-worse-delta-lambda-may-coming-scientists-say-1615874.html
no worries, let me know if/when it gets here and I’ll double up on my vitamin D
MAY = WONT
Learn to read MSM narrative dribbling’s.
Running out of terror narratives are they?
I’m seeing a similar pattern to post 9/11. For a while after the media would regularly announce sone imminent attack, some plan foiled just in time and the public would twitch nervously and react. Eventually though that kind of news got tuned out and the media stopped.
but it made people think “all this security is here to save me” and it’s still there despite being nothing but theatre.
Merkel and Blair both awarded the Charlemagne (Kalergi) Prize. It this the direction we are heading?
Deep state rewards for obedience and usefulness.
A brief video on one of the leading characters behind this man-made catastrophe. I give you the WHO’s Tedros Adhanom…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yD3o6_QGJI
This site takes a bit of flak from time to time but it is doing a really first class job.
Some of the articles linked above are outstanding, articles that I, for one, would certainly not be able find without this site:
‘During the pandemic, virtually the entire Fourth Estate has abrogated this responsibility. Yet this is not the first time it has done so. It reported the received wisdom on the Iraq ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’ and ‘Russiagate’ stories as truth, when neither were anything of the sort. The media establishment has clearly learned none of the lessons to be drawn from either humiliation.
Sars-CoV-2 has in some ways acted as a receding tide, exposing who was swimming naked. Much attention has been focussed on our Government’s shameful unpreparedness for a disaster that has been considered likely for at least the decade since the Sars epidemic. However, bureaucratic ineptitude is much easier to fix than a journalistic community more interested in political activism and parroting stories they are spoon fed through official channels than it is about doing the hard, and sometimes unfriendly, work of reporting the truth.’
https://www.bournbrookmag.com/home/covid-origins-and-the-consipracy-of-silence
Brilliant!
So, a huge thank you to everyone putting this site together.
Seconded.
Agreed.
Thirded
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“Grant Shapps today admitted that France and Spain could be added to the ‘red list’ later in the summer as he said being double-jabbed is likely to be a requirement for international travel ‘forever more’. “
Authoritarian radical posing as “conservative” admits the true consequences of his government’s evil stupidity.
Let’s recall that these travel controls make no sense whatsoever in the context of a globally endemic respiratory virus, where rapid and thorough mixing of populations is beneficial in enhancing the spread of immunity and the likelihood of selection for more infectious and less virulent varieties.
And this government has played a full part in encouraging other countries to impose restrictions by doing so itself, when the proper position for a conservative government should have been to punish countries imposing such irrational and counterproductive radical measures by “tit for tat restrictions on their own nationals’ movements.
Personally I’d be more forgiving if I thought there were some unspoken, ulterior motive based on visceral resistance to the harms of mass immigration, but this “Conservative” Party regime is presiding over ongoing mass illegal entry over the Channel with active cooperation and assistance from national bodies. Legal travel, of course, is only weakly connected to immigration.
“Grant Shapps today admitted that France and Spain could be added to the ‘red list’ later in the summer as he said being double-jabbed is likely to be a requirement for international travel ‘forever more’. “
Authoritarian radical posing as “conservative” admits the true consequences of his government’s evil stupidity.
Let’s recall that these travel controls make no sense whatsoever in the context of a globally endemic respiratory virus, where rapid and thorough mixing of populations is beneficial in enhancing the spread of immunity and the likelihood of selection for more infectious and less virulent varieties.
And this government has played a full part in encouraging other countries to impose restrictions by doing so itself, when the proper position for a conservative government should have been to punish countries imposing such irrational and counterproductive radical measures by “tit for tat restrictions on their own nationals’ movements.
Personally I’d be more forgiving if I thought there were some unspoken, ulterior motive based on visceral resistance to the harms of mass immigration, but this “Conservative” Party regime is presiding over ongoing mass illegal entry over the Channel with active cooperation and assistance from national bodies. Legal travel, of course, is only weakly connected to immigration.
Personally I’d be more forgiving if I thought there were some unspoken, ulterior motive based on visceral resistance to the harms of mass immigration, but this “Conservative” Party regime is presiding over ongoing mass illegal entry over the Channel with active cooperation and assistance from national bodies. Legal travel, of course, is only weakly connected to immigration.
[Just testing – posted that as one comment but it got flagged “for approval”. Not sure why so posting paragraphs separately to see which one might have triggered the flagging.]
Well, none of the content triggered a “Waiting for approval” flag. Not sure why the original was flagged, but it’s still waiting, apparently.
In the past this kind of thing has been due to inadvertently leaving multiple links in the post, but that doesn’t appear to have been the case here. Clearly they haven’t imposed some kind of infantile word-trigger censorship system, because the same words haven’t triggered censorship of the posts separately.
Curious.
Er how can they stop you leaving your own country?
I assume his point is that other countries will require it for entry. But this government has to take a full share of the blame for these travel restrictions globally, being an early, enthusiastic and influential adopter.
And they should be actively lobbying and acting against restrictions on British citizens’ travel opportunities – that’s their job as a government.
BREAKING: US Govt launches the mini mask – it’s more environment friendly than the standard mask but maintains the illusion of continual danger just as effectively
https://twitter.com/InProportion2/status/1422224924148572160
Also about as effective in reducing covid risk.
Doesn’t HealthFuhrer Fauci look fab!
Bit of a Dr Strangelove vibe…..
Covid-19 is Communism in a medical disguise.
Am I the only anti-lockdown vegan in the world? No, I have a friend 9 years younger than me who has been vegan 25 years + and is rabidly anti-lockdown. But apart from him…
I tried to read the article in the round up about declaring oneself vegan to avoid the injection but when I got to the part where the person from Peta explained why she was double injected I had to stop.
So they don’t want testing on animals. Unlike most people, I absolutely get this. So instead they are testing themselves en masse. For something they don’t need.
It is actually very difficult, if not impossible, to avoid everything that has at some time involved exploitation of animals and I think most vegans would and should consider taking medicines, all tested on animals at some point, to save their lives. Like diabetics who take drugs which were tested on Jewish people during the war. But if you have the vegan ethical standpoint, you can minimise medicine-taking to that which is essential and this does not include the current injection.
And further to my post on this subject when the vegan opt-out was announced, it is also stupid for the reason that the vast majority of vegetarians and vegans are not committed to it at all – in the past it has been “fashionable” and now it is virtue signalling to the nth degree. Before the recent surge, 84% of non-meat eaters went back to eating meat. That percentage will no doubt increase. So the ethical component is pretty non-existent in this group of people. Ridiculous that a temporary fashion statement should allow an exemption when personal choice and beliefs, and bodily integrity cannot.
“Ridiculous that a temporary fashion statement should allow an exemption when personal choice and beliefs, and bodily integrity cannot.“
Indeed, but hard to see a practicable way to tell the difference, at the point of decision.
As no doubt we’d both agree, better to just outlaw coercion, except in specific defined cases with tightly constrained justifications. Some would argue, better to just outlaw coercion, full stop.
Absolutely agree. Just pointing to the ridiculousness of this particular “story”.
Sadiq Khan is a gold plated tosser.
Story on Rumble from the Stew Peters Show, a fella who took on the govt in Canada (Alberta) and won… Small victories…
I went to my hairdressers yesterday ( my hair looks great, thanks for asking). He is in his 50s, is asthmatic and has had the AZ jabs.
After the 1st jab, he had mobility problems in his jabbed arm. Two days after his 2nd jab he started to have breathing problems, his inhalers didn’t work, he could feel his throat closing up and so went to hospital. He was kept in overnight on oxygen and an IV. He was diagnosed with an anaphylactic reaction. He asked if it was due to the jab and was told no, an insect bite. He did have insect bites and has reacted to them in the past but not to such a severe extent. He doesn’t know what to believe.
It seems to me that if it wasn’t a direct reaction to the jab (because it was after 2 days), then the jab could be indirectly to blame by affecting his immune system that then made him sensitive to the insect bite.
Any input?
As someone who is allergic to wasp stings, I can say that the reaction starts within minutes of the stings and although I developed the allergy relatively late in life, I was under no doubt of the connection of my (then new) reactions to the sting(s).
I think he would probably, like me, be aware if the reaction was to the bites/stings.
I don’t know why there would be a delay in the reaction to the AZ but given the biodistribution we have heard about, maybe that could account for it.
So the Daily Sceptic has nothing to say about the developments in Alberta Canada? Covid19 is officially a hoax and this site says NOTHING?
DAILYSCEPTIC IS CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!!!!
OK I retract this post as the details are not solid on this and Alberta was already rolling back restrictions so this story is dodge Apologies.
Dear Toby!
Please stop thinking that some gene therapy should be the reason to unlock. We would all have been better off without it. Australia seems to be wise in this regard.
Dont conflate freedom with taking an experimental gene therapy. No one should do that, as that is what the powers that be want. It will only lead to total control
DM carrying this story.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9864347/Covid-sufferer-says-virus-afraid-vlog-days-died-disease.html
Hard to get to the facts but on face value the guy gets sick and doesn’t go to hospital. Now I know the UK refuses to use the life saving repurposed drugs that would in all probability worked in this case but there is still a protocol that might of helped.
In short I believe most of us agree that there is a pathogen out there that is fatal to around 0.2% to those infected (skewed heavily towards the aged and immunocompromised). It would appear that this gentleman was one of the statistical outriders.
What makes the article propaganda is the labelling of him as an ‘anti-vaxxer’ rather than someone who preferred natural immunity if possible. Also his wife, naturally grieving, is quoted as saying she will have the vaccine, even after acquiring natural immunity.
It’s a pity because the DM was becoming a bit of an ally, at least in MSM terms.
This story is, admittedly, disturbing. The Evening Standard says ‘who reportedly had no underlying health conditions’. Photos suggest he is overweight, although there again so is half the population. It says he had ‘Covid-related’ pneumonia. I note the use of the word ‘related’, though the article says he died ‘of’ Covid. It would be good to know more.
Did you guys actually read the story in Hot Air before posting it? They conclude by saying that the people who caught covid in that outbreak was because of the unvaccinated people!
“Conceivably, a bunch of unvaxxed superspreaders wreaked havoc on the vaccinated around them by infecting them en masse.”
Stop complying. Stop moaning. Start fighting. Don’t ever wear masks. “Exempt”. I always insist (politely) on others removing their masks for me (Hard of hearing) – they have to by law. See what’s happening in Australia. It’s coming here soon if we don’t stop it now. Don’t ever stop using problematic stores, services or businesses. Use them more often! Any problems – Complain directly to the manager in person (maskless of course) – then send letters to head office – don’t give in to negativity. FIGHT. BACK. BETTER. All the resources you need: https://www.LCAHub.org/