Argentina is pulling out of the World Health Organisation over “deep differences” on how it managed the COVID-19 pandemic, with President Javier Milei condemning the WHO-backed lockdowns as “crimes against humanity”. The Buenos Aires Herald has the story.
President Javier Milei has ordered Foreign Minister Gerardo Werthein to withdraw the country from the organisation, due to “deep differences” over how the WHO managed the COVID-19 pandemic, Presidential spokesman Manuel Adorni announced in a press conference on Wednesday morning.
The Milei administration’s announcement was made in lockstep with the United States’ withdrawal from the global public health agency, underscoring Argentina’s alignment with President Donald Trump.
Adorni said that the WHO’s pandemic management, along with decisions made by former President Alberto Fernández, “led [Argentina] to the longest lockdown in human history” and for the country to be subject to “certain countries’ political influence”.
“Argentines won’t allow for an international organisation to intervene in our sovereignty, much less in our health,” Adorni said.
The Government has claimed that exiting the WHO will not affect healthcare in Argentina. However, critics were quick to argue that it would affect important components of the country’s public health system, including vaccine purchases and outbreak monitoring.
The World Health Organisation is a United Nations agency that coordinates global public health. Founded in 1948, its work includes directing health emergency responses and promoting universal access to healthcare. It has 194 member countries.
Adorni said that Argentina does not receive funding from the WHO for healthcare management, and that the move would therefore not imply cuts. “It will not affect the quality of healthcare services,” he said.
“On the contrary, it provides the country with more flexibility to implement policies that are adapted to the context of interests that Argentina requires, and more availability of resources,” Adorni continued. “It reinforces our path as a country with healthcare sovereignty.” …
In addition to the WHO withdrawal, Argentina is also “analysing leaving the Paris Agreement” on climate change, Adorni added.
After the announcement, Milei described the WHO’s COVID-19 responses as “the largest social control experiment in history”. The lockdowns, he wrote on X, meant “committing, in complicity with all the countries that followed their directives, one of the most bizarre crimes against humanity in history”.
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Two days in a row.
Sad
VIDEO Italian MP Sara Cunial Speech On Bill Gates Insider Paper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6KlEmnQxY&t=0s
Yes, bang to rights.
Amazing speech
The best bit is when the chairman reasserts the lady’s right to continue when others start shouting her down, reminding them free speech is allowed in parliament.
Italians – capable of the best (this) and the worst (the first country to copy China-style lockdowns).
Beautiful.
One more day and you will qualify for the star prize: a free cocktail of snake oils.
You need to get out more……. Ooooops your not allowed are you
I was going to say get a life, but of course we arent allowed to by governemnt diktat.
Bosses CAN legally demand that staff get vaccinated against Covid under health and safety laws, ministers say It won’t end with just the covid vaccine, it’ll open the flood gates.
Ministers can say what they like. DM can say what it likes. This is ILLEGAL and it breaks HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS. If someone is coerced into taking medical intervention they don’t want, that company is going to be in DEEP SHIT!
Lets hope you’re right, but I have a horrible feeling about that.
Collectively if we say no there is not much they can do about it.
Yes.The first judge to rule that a person can be deprived of his/her livelihood for exercising his/her human right to decline a medical procedure will be toast. If British judges are cowardly enough to be toast, it’s up to the European court.No surrender on this one.
Absolutely! It’s a red line issue.
I think perhaps you don’t understand: society is moving towards Hard Fascism where you will have no rights.
And would be in breach of the Nurenburg Code.
Are you a lawyer or do you have a law qualification?
Fortunately any civilian is allowed to know the law in their own democratic country. You don’t need to be a lawyer or have law qualifications. This kind of information is in the public domain. I’m sorry if it’s not where you live.
A particularly boneheaded response.
The law is an extremely complicated beast, A lay reading can easily come to the exact opposite conclusion to that demonstrated in case law.
Okay. Stay scared.
I’m pretty sure the worthless globalist filth isn’t the slightest bit concerned whether something is legal or not
No jab,no job?
If and when the Government implements that “policy” throughout the public sector, including especially the NHS where I understand there’s still some resistance, then I might be more concerned.
Still, it’s a sign of the rampant and ramped up fear in society.
This is already happening in some sectors of government. Workers are being told that they cannot come into work unless they have the jab. They are also receiving it at work. The union has been fighting it to no avail
Then the Unions will have to try harder!
The Unions will be bought. It is so much easier than fighting them.
My union is pushing face masks and the jab, egged on by its unhinged members.
might have some difficulty when they encounter resistance aka “cultural differences”
Rules only need to apply to white people while we’re still 83% of the population.
Never refuse a vaccine
make it conditional on your employer/GP signing a liability letter (hint – they wont)
https://freedomtaker.com/
Totalitarianism by the back door. Once they get away with that what next?
They can’t legally do this. You can’t require anyone to take an experimental medical treatment that is still undergoing trials that is contrary to various Human Rights Laws and Codes and one which is actually harming people. There are plenty of instances of this now. And despite what they are putting out which is clearly intentional, there is not as yet any clear evidence that it prevents transmission. Indeed there are many who are coming down with this virus shortly after vaccination. There are also issues with disability discrimination if a person cannot have a vaccine and there is also unfair dismissal if you have been employed for 2 years. They are putting this out to push people to rush for the jab and no doubt some will. It will need testing in Employment Tribunals but I would be surprised if they don’t find in favour of the employee or potential employee.
Are you a lawyer then?
The problem is, they can classify the virus whatever way they need to in order to skirt around any definition that says ‘experimental’.
For all practical purposes, the fact is they can do WTF they want, and no amount of bloviating on internet forums about human rights will stop them.
No they can’t. Not while the rule of law still stands, and law requires definition that they can’t skirt around. If rule of law becomes irrelevant then it becomes survival of the fittest and we might as well all get out there with our pick axe handles and baseball bats. The courts have already thrown out loads of inappropriate FPNs.
Have you not seen enough evidence in videos on social media etc that the rule of law does not – in practice – apply anymore, unless you want to spend years pursuing it while making a lawyer very rich and you very poor?
Coppers are abusing their power. Shops are gold-plating their covid policies. Saga are advertising vaxxed-only holidays.
Is anyone stopping them? No, they are not.
You can get all outraged and say ‘THEY CAN’T DO THAT’ – but they can. They have, The video of it is right there.
Is it wrong? Yes. Does that change the facts on the ground? No.
Ever heard of propaganda? A lot of this stuff doing the rounds is hyped up, to keep the masses fearful that they have no rights or power. This is what they want you to believe.
No Aidan, you are very confused. They can’t do “what they want”. You have legal rights. Don’t let them scare you.
How condescending.
Sure, we have legal rights… It takes a uniformed yob 2 seconds to disregard those rights, and many years and thousands of pounds for you to challenge it in court – and even then it’s a lottery, especially in light of the Covid legislation, which summarily puts a great many of our established rights in the wood-chipper.
By the time you get satisfaction, you’ve wished away years of your life and all of your money, and the thing you were so concerned about is ancient history.
If you think this reality isn’t true, I don’t know what to tell you.
You’ll be telling me next we should all become freeman on the land.
As a registered nurse I have been required to show that I have either had measles and rubella or have been vaccinated against them. My TB vaccination scar was checked. Hepatitis B was also required. These are to protect me.
The influenza vaccine is not mandated only very strongly advised.
Why is SARS-CoV-2 different?
30% of cases of flu are asymptomatic, but there’s no presumption of infectiousness.
Exactly that was the old normal, but once covid vaccines become a required ‘qualification‘ so will every other vaccine.
I don’t hold out much hope for the judiciary or tribunals defending employees! I hope i’m wrong, but of course the only winners will be lawyers.
Its going to be interesting to see unions response to this, they were all for this kind of protection before.
Yes it seems that unions, who used to be all in favour of protecting their members are now characterizing their vaccine and mask mania as protecting their employees. I feel this is in response to their ill informed members who are baying for vaccination and masks. I believe this to be the case with my union anyway.
I think this is exactly where most people are. A vaccine for unique diseases is one thing, so-called vaccines against ever-mutating seasonal viruses that MOST PEOPLE need to get in order to strengthen their immunity is mad!
I suggest you read “Dissolving Illusions” by Humphries and Bystriacyk
I have it. Very interesting read!
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I’m a Registered Nurse nobody has ever checked my Vaccination history or even give a shit about it.That includes 27 years as an NHS Nurse.Me thinks your chatting shit.
I was a dentist for 35 years and all my staff with pt contact were required by the NHS to be vaccinated for TB,Hep B , varicella, rubella etc etc and when we had inspections including by CQC had to provide evidence. So the other nurse was not incorrect. Indeed medical and dental students must have Hep B vax and show proof of antibodies before commencing studies.
Hep B in combo with tdap made me very sick. In the aftermath of which I gained enormous amounts of weight. I wonder if one of the reason there are so many obese abs morbidly obese people is vaccines attacking their liver and insulin receptors?
My wife had to have the MMR vaccine before starting her nursing training. So it’s certainly not ‘chatting shit’.
Hep B in combo with tdap made me very sick. In the aftermath of which I gained enormous amounts of weight. I wonder if one of the reason there are so many obese abs morbidly obese people is vaccines attacking their liver and insulin receptors?
I’m inclined to blame the carb-heavy diet that’s promoted by officialdom but you make a very interesting point.
My vaccination history was never checked when I worked in the NHS. I also never had the flu vaccine. Holier than thou nurses like you are the reason I left nursing and would now give good slap if they tried to bully and coerce me into accepting treatment I didn’t want.
Where exactly do you get that figure that 30% of flu cases are asymptomatic. If there’s no symptoms you don’t have the flu. Or, put it another way, I have smallpox but I don’t have symptoms.
I currently have a very nasty case of asymptomatic dyphtheria, combined with asymptomatic rabies. Soldiering on….
They need to check the health and safety law. There’s the phrase “reasonably practicable” in the duties placed on an employer. Is a medical procedure reasonably practicable? They also would need to justify that such a procedure was necessary for the job to be performed. The other side of the coin is could their employees refuse to do work for clients who aren’t vaccinated? Pimlico plumbers cannot fix your plumbing unless you’ve been vaccinated?
Cue for finding another plumber pronto and if they all started playing silly b&ggers – cue for expose articles in the media of “My house ruined because plumbers refused to sort the leak”.
There are a lot of people that still cling to a naive faith in the system, but how many people would have thought the nation would be put under house arrest for 12 months & forced by state thugs to demand you cover your face with menaces, 2 years ago?
Me! I’ve been anticipating “Something” for at least a couple of years now and walking round the town I’m now living in wondering just why I had the feeling I would be doing so in pretty darn empty streets at some point. But – yep….most people wouldn’t have thought this possible for sure…
“their employees” in Pimlico plumbers case that’s a moot point. Charlie Mullins claims they are not employees.
Try joining join the Congregation of Universal Wisdom and pleading an exemption due to religious beliefs. That should open up a nice can of worms…….
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/14/science/worship-optional-joining-a-church-to-avoid-vaccines.html
I am a member of The Pagan Federation, doe’s that count? as paganism is a recognised religion in the UK.
In the same way they can say “bosses can legally demand that staff wear clown suits under health and safety laws”. First you need to prove that it actually works, then you can claim you must do it. Cause, let me tell you, i think clothes contribute a lot to carrying this virus, so i’m going to demand that all staff come in as naked as possible. I’m sure no one will object to that.
People have to stand up and say NO! We have the power, we also have the numbers. Don’t be afraid to speak out.
Cowardice never gets you anywhere but trodden on!
This whole nonsense is simply because they are not allowed to ‘market’ these vaccines, so have to keep them in the public eye in order to maintain/influence acceptance. It’ll be loads of overpaid pr shills leaning on their journo contacts to keep this sort of story at the forefront in the meeja.
Police officer punches cafe worker ‘who was resisting arrest’ after force raids venue packed with 100 customers that has refused to close during Covid lockdown Have you ever noticed how the MSM don’t allow comments on or criticism of policing by consent?
Not called the “Filth” for nothing, and the MSM too.
There is no ‘policing by consent’ any longer. The police are behaving as though they were East German Stasi officers.
Looking at the posted video, it is naked aggression by the police against someone for no other reason than that they can be violent and confrontational and get away with it.
To then see the scumbag officer, for that is what he is, scum, attack the man again, push him to the floor, then pull him and push him up against a wall and throttle him.
At no point did I see the man retaliate, only back away from the violent assault he was being subjected to – his treatment was not ‘proportionate’ on any level.
A female officer then arrives, and starts to throw her not inconsiderable weight around, telling everyone to ‘back off’, rather than restrain her erstwhile colleague in assaulting a member of the public. In the background sirens can be heard.
So, in short, the repressive forces of coercion had a total of three officers on hand, plus others arriving to ‘contain’ a situation that they caused attempting to stop someone from making and selling coffee.
A free country and liberal democracy, I don’t think so. You’ll only find either in a children’s fairy tale these days. But as bookshops are closed, you can’t even do that.
It’s worth pointing out that the cafe owner is not a native Briton. I don’t know where he’s from, but I suspect it’s a country where the inhabitants recognise totalitarian government when they see it.
I won’t say any more as it’s probably sub judice, but my guess is the police and council have been screaming at each other to do something about this because people are simply ignoring them. I suspect it was this that caused the PC to kick off.
The PC looked pretty young. He obviously lost his self-control and his colleagues made no attempt to temper the assault.
Notice also, however, that Luc looks quite relaxed and is grinning at the end of the video clip.
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I think Polish. A link has already been posted here today to a new interview with him .
This is a foretaste of the lack of Liberal democracy that awaits us.
I suspect the majority of citizens in the United Fascist Kingdom would defend the policeman, saying that he should have cooled off but the guy without the mask deserved it.
In just a few years time they will be picking up sceptics and beating the shit out of them. Then they will shoot kids in the head if they do not wear masks. These are the goons of fascism. Fascism is here.
Surely opening a cafe is not an arrestable offence in England now?
Can you be a lockdown sceptic and not question the vaccines?
It seems to me the high profile lockdown scepticism is shrinking itself down to arguing that the costs of lockdowns outweigh the benefits. It’s the one argument that is still made with confidence while other issues relating to the dangers of the virus are addressed with more caution and doubt.
And one can forget about seeing any arguments against the vaccines.
But, does the evidence clearly show that lockdowns are effective? Does the data show that the death rate we are experiencing is beyond anything our generation has experienced before? Are hospitalisations higher than anything we’ve ever seen? Has the sceptical position on these issues been dented by the weight of evidence and strength of arguments of lockdown advocates? Hardly.
The problem is that sceptics who want to remain “respectable” are falling into a trap. The vaccine trap.
The establishment has succeeded in drawing a line in the sand with regards to vaccinations. Anyone who questions in any way, shape or form, the value of vaccines is instantly considered to be not only beyond the pale and a fringe conspiracist but an outright danger to society.
Even pushing back this idea is basically taboo.
Sceptics who wish to remain respectable like Toby or JHB must therefore combine their scepticism with enthusiastic endorsement of the vaccine programme.
The problem is that if you support the government’s vaccine programme, you are undermining most of the arguments against lockdown. You are in effect conceding that there is an unprecedented high risk posed by the virus. You are accepting that vaccines are the key to ending lockdowns. Because otherwise, what would be the sense in such an enormous and risky vaccine programme?
And this is where respectable sceptics let themselves down. How can you be a credible sceptic when you don’t criticise and question a vaccine programme with so many obvious problems?
Anyone with a smidgen of critical thought knows that:
– The coronavirus vaccines have been rolled out with less testing and less knowledge about their safety and efficacy than previous vaccines.
– Vaccine manufacturers do not know how long the effects of the vaccines last or whether they reduce transmission in any way.
– No one has a clue whether the vaccines will be effective against new mutations of the virus.
– People who have been infected are being encouraged to take the vaccine, which makes no sense.
– They expect everyone to be vaccinated on the grounds of creating herd immunity even though they openly admit they have no clue whether vaccines reduce transmission.
– Governments are scrambling to produce studies to find out the efficacy of the vaccines only after millions have already been vaccinated.
– Governments openly admit there are still questions about the efficacy of the vaccines but at the same time will have you believe there is no question whatsoever about the safety of the vaccines.
The only intellectually honest defence of the coronavirus vaccines is that it is not an entirely irrational option for those who greatly fear the coronavirus. That’s it.
Cheering the total number of people vaccinated, getting swept up in the jingoistic pride of being the country with the most vaccinations, even half heartedly praising the government for its expediency with vaccine roll outs, none of it fits well in a critical mind.
You can’t blame the high profile sceptics though. They are human like the rest of us. If we can all be intimidated into wearing masks, complying with arbitrary house arrests, trashing our livelihoods on command and all the rest of it, then journalists can be forgiven for selectively suspending their critical thought to protect their reputations.
But let’s not pretend the vaccine programme is not highly questionable. Let’s not deny that debate about the coronavirus vaccines is being shut down by intimidation and brute force. And let’s accept that defending the vaccine programmes is intellectually fraudulent and self defeating for opponents of lockdowns.
I know 6 people who have had vaccines. 5 tested positive to CV19 in the 10 subsequent days, one (my father) has got very sever psoriasis for the first time in his life. The dermatologist he went too (Central lond) told him it is a side affect and over 50% of the people he is seeing have vaccine related conditions.
Foolish reliance on the Vaccine Solution is going to end in more repression.
So far
yes but isn’t there quite a lot of different vaccines? Doesn’t the Russian one, for example, reputedly have certain advantages (much to the disgust of some in the media, no doubt)?
Including Mrs FP and your’s truly.
But if people do not want the jab ,they shouldn’t be forced to.
This is totally wrong on several levels.
but which vaccine have they had? I suspect there are differences in the incidence of side effects. Which one did they have?
How many would that be?
Mixed – two fine, one with very severe symptoms of CV couldn’t do anything. Another blackout at wheel of car, told underlying heart conditions, despite having yearly medicals for their work. ECG never detected any heart problems. So 50% small numbers in my circle have had the jab – so not scientific.
FWIW, I know of several people who’ve had it. One has had severe pain since; all day long, making sleep hard, always waking him up at about 4am. The others report no issues.
meanwhile, i know dozens who’ve had PCR positive results. Large minority asymptomatic – the rest all recovered after a few days of flu-like symptoms or less. Last group includes me and my wife in February last year without confirmatory test.
Vast majority are maskurbators, covidians, NHS worshippers. About 10% are sane skeptics.
Nobody I know has had covid let alone die from it!
I know a lot of people who have ‘had it’ [or so they were told) and it was just a cold
Bob Moran tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1358514241070891010
My godmother is in hospital recovering from a heart attack. She is 79 with no history of heart problems. She’s extremely fit and healthy for her age.
She had been feeling extremely unwell for the past 5 days.
She had the vaccine 5 days ago.
Thank you for all the kind replies to this.
She (his Godmother) very sadly died today.
She was a wonderful person with an indomitable spirit and a brilliant sense of humour.
I loved her dearly.
So many stories on his thread from others saying similar
You and others will be interested to see this report of the deaths of three young and, seemingly, healthy medics in Italy from heart attacks after being vaccinated.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/45-year-old-italian-doctor-in-the-prime-of-life-and-in-perfect-health-drops-dead-after-the-pfizer-mrna-covid-shot-39-year-old-nurse-42-year-old-surgical-technician-also-dead/
Forgive the double negative but testing positive and/or getting CV 19 does not mean you are not fine.
Being paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you.
not the issue is it?
Irrelevant and non-scientific. On this site we like data!
Everyone I know who has had the vaccine is a lockdownista. None of them were fine before they had the jab. The vaccines will not prevent Covid or cure stupid, it seems.
The next round of trials will end in 2023, all those brave enough to have volunteered for these experimental vaccines can report back then, if they can.
That’s good for them, I’m pleased for them. They exercised their free choice to get the vaccine. All we ask is that people who don’t want it are also allowed to exercise their free choice to refuse.
I can’t go along with you. Virtually all of those who have vaccinated so far, are people who will not have given informed consent. The vaccinated will also not have been told that there is only very limited information regarding the efficacy and safety of the potentially dangerous experimental biological agents that are about to be injected into their bodies. They should also have been informed that they are entering into the trials of a hardly tested unproven medication and that they will be effectively unpaid guinea pigs, with no claim against the vaccine makers or injectors. Those that then proceed will be likely be only the stupid or the suicidal.
I think they’re being duped, as the inmates of auschwitz were duped into thinking they were just going to take a shower. but I would concede that while you can shout a warning as you see someone stepping in front of a bus, you can’t stop them if they’re determined to do it, you can’t break the trance that they’re acting under
Duped is a good word for it.
They’re being duped, that’s a given.
All vaccines are necessarily unsafe, according to the US Supreme Court. However, the experimental and hardly tested liability free biological agents, now being touted as Covid vaccines, have taken this lack of safety to a whole new level. Indeed, the glaringly obvious dearth of the normal trials should have been a warning for all of us to stay well clear, but no and almost unbelievably, millions have already thrown caution to the wind, in baring their arms for these suspect products. All this, even as these untested agents scythe through the hapless residents of “care” homes.
No doubt then, that the endless propaganda from an utterly corrupt Big Pharma and the thoroughly squalid UK government has done the trick, keeping all normal common sense at bay. This mindless risk taking for vaccines, which don’t claim to halt or even reduce transmission of an infection, that has a survival rate of around 99.98%. You couldn’t make this stuff up.
for now
Three people that I know have been ill enough to take to their beds for a couple of days after having the Oxford vaccine.
Bill Gates is behind all the western vaccines in use as of now. None of them will be safe.
and hes behind all the GMOS h e is evil personified
A deserved round ton
How can you justify a vaccine for a disease that doesn’t officially exist? If you can’t isolate it or purify it how can you identify it.
Koch’s postulates, say no more.
Yes exactly. There is definitely something fishy going on or else why this massive dash to try and get everyone inoculated???
The vaccine is the gateway drug to totalitarianism.It will lead to a digital passport despite the protestations of the vaccine minister yesterday..Businesses will do the dirty work for them.
This is so glaringly obvious to those of us not in the NLP-induced trance.
my late father was involved 30 years ago in a long-running project to develop a vaccine for the common cold – a coronavirus. they didn’t succeed. in 40 years, there is still no AIDS vaccine, yet the brainwashed idiots who hang on every word of the government and the msm have no trouble believing that within 6 months of the ‘Pandemic’ movie being role-played across the world, hey presto! a miracle vaccine is conjured up out of nowhere. it seems they have been working on this genetic engineering technology for decades, but never tried it on human beings before. all the rats etc they experimented on in connection with it over the past decades died (according to Dolores Cahill) which is why it never got as far as humans. now suddenly everyone on the planet is expected to take it, over as short a time period as possible. go figure.
Yes it doesn’t look good. Talk of vaccine passports is a ruse to get us to comply with their vaccination plans. The vaccines are about population reduction, much more than anything else.
The vaccines are the main part of the depopulation plan. Some of those now vaccinated will die early, but most will die painfully over the next year or so.
It is crucial for the depopulators and their dullard collaborators in government, that everyone is vaccinated, as a pool of unvaccinated people, who are stubbornly refusing to die, would give their dirty game away. Vaccine refuseniks like myself, will come under great pressure to conform in the coming months, but they will have to tie me down first.
You can’t. This is a variation of gaslight manipulation.
Back in Spring, they were cacking it because they had reason to believe it originated from a lab in Wuhan containing some possibly quite dangerous viruses etc. Things snowballed from there, and they couldn’t draw back even after it was found to be less dangerous than feared.
What was that film about someone who dodged a bus fare, and things quickly got out of hand causing him all manner of bother? A similar thing, but for real.
There was an interesting document shared by Bob Moran on Twitter yesterday, regarding increased deaths in care homes following vaccines. It took the form of a letter from a group of UK doctors requesting that more research is done to understand why this is happening. It should be getting more attention.
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf
Yes, I am tweeting it all over the place.
The wariness in the daily posts about discussing vaccine safety, ethics and other issues is becoming very noticeable.
That’s a charitable way of puttimg it.
Agreed. I’ve lost faith.
Don’t forget:
-this virus is not lethal for most of the population
-lockdowns cause more harm than good
-lockdowns don’t achieve anything but pushing the problem into the future and delay herd immunity
-shield the vulnerable and dependent on where you are in the vaccine debate these are the people who should receive a vaccine, just like the flu vaccine.
We should concentrate on working out how we can prevent this mass hysteria in the future.
I gather Sweden has a law which prevents governments from using lockdowns as a measure.
They had that sorted out recently. I believe the passed an act allowing for enforced lockdowns rather than advisory
As Michael P. Senger reports on Twitter, WHO came to the same realization: https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1358534093890224128
Anyone who wants to understand vaccines should first read about their history. The book “Dissolving Illusions” by Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk is a must read. Vaccines have always relied on the mendacity and avarice of medical professionals and the Pharma industry for their sales success in the face of evidence against them. The public has always been resistant. Mandated vaccination against smallpox was at its highest level in 1870 until a huge worldwide outbreak in 1871 killed mostly the vaccinated! It still took 40 years until penalties for non compliance were removed from UK law.
Polio underwent a similar level of propaganda regarding its prevalence and lethality as we are now seeing regarding Covid 19. It’s decline started well before the introduction of a vaccine. It is argued that today polio in India and Africa is mostly vaccine induced – indeed the Indian government threw Bill Gates’ GAVI out of the country for this reason. (He’s back in….)
Early last year I heard Judy Mikovits claim that there is not an effective vaccine against respiratory disease! This did rather shock me. Hasn’t she heard of BCGs and TB? I googled this and found the WHO webpage on TB. Paragraph 3: BCG does not prevent TB! It reduces secondary symptoms. WTF???
I was already sceptical regarding the evidence and efficacy of ‘flu vaccines. The information around it seemed more like propaganda. The Covid propaganda, however, has taken on a whole new dimension.
The experimental vaccine must be resisted. This is going to be bigger than lockdowns, people. We cannot even rely on statistics to help us. Previously, underlying conditions had nothing to do with Covid deaths. Now, deaths after vaccination are ONLY down to underlying conditions. This means that even if there are a large number of vaccine deaths – and let’s be clear we are talking of a fatality rate of maybe 0.6%, comparable to the number of ‘flu deaths annually – this will be put down to a “new variant”.
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“Re: Urgent warning re Covid-19 vaccine-related deaths in the elderly and Care Homes
In our Open Letter of 23 November 2020, addressed to the MHRA, JCVI and Matt Hancocki, we outlined our concerns of potential public health risks from a mass roll-out of the Covid-19 vaccines because of only limited short-term safety data and no long-term safety data”
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf
Hi Stewart, thank you for your post, it is a brilliant analysis and I completely agree with you. I feel a presonal threat when reading about vaccine enthusiasm and debates about mandating it/making your life impossible if you disagree and I have been feeling a touch of betrayal from LS lately. They seem to have chosen the path of not questioning the narrative, which goes against what this blog used to be only a few weeks ago. It’s a let down for me and I can’t believe how many intelligent people seem to be unable to debate against absurdities. Anyway, when I was trying to figure out how to reply to you, I accidentally flagged your post so someone might read it after all!
I must admit that I only reluctantly came on here, assuming for some time that it was a meeting point to collect objectors together to quietly mutter but not achieve much. To sort of quarantine objections and thinking. If so it has failed and Toby Young is never getting that knighthood, no matter how much he signals through the pages of this blog. It seems to me that he has been chosen for a fate far more elevated than being part of this Country’s broken legislature. Something as simple and primary as preserving free speech, is the first line of true defence of yourself and other human beings. It transcends all forms of thinking and governance. It is truly noble. And if he gets this right, his legacy and that of others who have risked so much to speak freely will endure well past any left by any of the current protagonists. Their intense mediocrity tells you quite how irrelevant they are in the grand scheme of things.
Now I have joined, I see such good discourse and sensible discussion of masks, lockdown and education in combination with a liberal attitude to free speech which actually altered my thinking and discourse too. I hadn’t realised the extent to which I’d been minding my Ps&Qs in order to not offend, thus diluting the power of my own thinking. I can now tolerate much more tension between the person and the quality of their argument. I’m now awake to the reality that using people’s differences to filter out good discourse is to deprive and endanger yourself.
Sinead Murphy’s piece on Sridhar really couldn’t have appeared at a more timely moment. “Young girl” is alive and well but markedly absent in these comments. So yes, let’s see more discussion of vaccines. Its a huge moral responsibility that mustn’t be ignored, even more so now we understand the extent to which “Young girl” has corrupted and obscured the discussion of efficacy and safety of traditional vaccines. And now it’s being deployed to suppress discussion if mRNA.
I agree with your comments on Toby, I was very surprised by his want of a knighthood and I hope that vanity won’t get the best of him! Maybe we should send him this thread to restore his energy and motivation.
Don’t forget, the 77th Brigade will be lurking on here, steering debate back towards the main narrative. I have to question the motives of some ‘people’ on here. It appears that this site may have always been about ‘herding’ the sceptics together, keeping them from making actual, real world changes, until the final solution – gene therapies masking as vaccines – can be brought to the fore. Obviously just my opinion.
I’m afraid I think that whoever is really behind this vaccine push knows very well what they are going to do, – and it has nothing whatsoever with halting the spread of any seasonal respiratory virus
Very well said. You have expressed perfectly what has been on my mind.
one of many reasons i wont get the vaccine is that it is genetcially engineered courtesy of the same guy who has foisted GMOS around the world with monsanto think w e all know his name .besides which ive never had a flu vaccine, i know many others[mostly strangers i pick up conversations with now ] who feel the same way about flu vaccines and this one too.
but also because from the beginning well after one week or so think back in march ,iv’e thought and said come on people stop being wimps it’s a bad cold !
i agree and very well said stewart i wish i could write as well and clearly as you and think as clearly too!
Even if there were absolutely no concerns with the ‘vaccine’, it is absolutely outrageous that someone could consider themselves in the sceptic camp and be okay with the fact society is being held to hostage at the point of a syringe.
It seems the Great Barrington Declaration people have had their account suspended on Facebook. Oxford, Harvard, Stamford profs censored for essentially suggesting the same policy Sweden has successfully implemented. Indeed it was the government’s own plan before its cowardly craven foolish reversal. The tyranny is not hyperbole.
Covid19 is a horrendous contagion, in the same family as identity politics, cancel culture & censorship. Its ecological function is realpolitik, its all a combined power grab, to destroy freedoms & inalienable rights and the only way it can infect you is through socialism.
I know this upsets socialists especially the Marxist variety but socialism is the neoliberal trojan horse than can establish totalitarian technocracy for the elite. Socialism is the opposite of self reliance, independence & freedom, the one thing that socialists desire is greater dependence on government, & psychopathic globalists have latched on to that ideology to manipulate their way to power. Conservative Christian culture is the road block to their destination, sadly they are already halfway there.
Communism is the evil that has given us covid19 and all its draconian diktats, don’t believe me ask China! That’s our future, each country run as a corporate entity lead by self prescribed elite CEO’s governed by NGOs (world bank, WEF, IMF, UN etc). China is the neo-liberal role model & blueprint for the future of our country. We are at war and we don’t even know it (or at least many wont accept it). This is nothing more than empire building, globalism in reality is just reinvented colonialism. Slavery has and always will be the neo-liberal way. We have been indoctrinated in to social rituals & socially engineered to invest in control through consumption. I do find it ironic that people wish to return to the old normal where the old normal is where the neo-liberal rules based order set its roots.
This is nothing new its happened over & over again in history, starting with the concept of royalty & the likes of the enclosures act of the 1600s etc. The hypocritical policies of the liberal left are straight out of the medieval period, with its witch hunts & all. Personally I just want to live life quietly, work when i need. eat what i choose, say what i think, live where i want & in whatever i fell like, decide what i put in my body & who i see & keep company with, in privacy without being snooped on by paranoid rulers. Its called freedom!
Brilliant post
The slow march into communism by the public began the moment it was manipulated to accept the concept of government from ‘cradle to grave’. I always found it a very sinister phrase, and, now the consequences of it, are being fully bared out.
the welfare state, superficially appealing, was always a horrendous idea, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and the NHS is one of its most horrific manifestations. there was never any such thing as free cheese -except in a mousetrap.
No one heeded the warnings from Yuri Bezmenov back in 1984.
Yes, but you are describing fascism not communism, everyone subservient to the corporate state.
I think they both meet round the back somewhere!
I never called china communist they did.
Platform for attention seekers, exhibitionists and inadequates.
Facebook that is.
Ah yes, that well-known source for news, Fakebook!
Faecebook is what I call it.
I use it to post anti-mockdown stuff, articles proving masks don’t work etc.
I had a chat yesterday with a lady whose GP surgery is ringing her regularly about the vaccine. She has a history of bad reactions to medicines so has decided not to take one. She has told the surgery that but they keep ringing and are trying to convince her.
I told her that next time they ring to say that she has made her decision and that is final. Any more calls and she will move to another practice.
There must be a lot of people out there under serious pressure from surgeries. I was appalled. This is totally unacceptable.
I am reading this book: Dissolving Illusions – Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk.
It charts the not so glorious history of vaccines through history.
They are not in any way a panacea.
This vaccine hysteria is another disaster in the making.
Everyone needs to read this book!
My 82 year old mum is being harassed by surgery and friends (she won’t lie) to get the jab. She’s healthy and lives alone in the countryside. Other than coming to stay with us fairly regularly (also isolated & rural) she doesn’t see anyone.
I think the maths for deciding on the vaccine is wrong: it’s your chance of catching the disease (i.e. prevalence) x the risk of the disease itself, vs. the chance of side effects of the vaccine. You have to take prevalence into account.
And since mum is unlikely to come into contact with the disease this season, and given poor data on elderly uptake etc, I’ve advised her not to bother. She agrees.
She should just to say them “come back to me in a few years after the safety trials have been completed” and then I will have a think about it..
Good analysis. I was thinking along the same lines, with some numbers purely for purpose of illustration: supposing my chances of catching covid are 1 in 10 (currently will be a lot lower since there are no events to go to), and suppose that if I have it, the chances of it being quite bad are also 1 in 10. Then my overall chances of getting covid badly are 1 in 100. And, supposing my chances of a bad reaction to the vaccine are 1 in 50, then if I definitely get the vaccine my overall chances of getting a bad reaction are also 1 in 50. How bad is bad, and the nature of the bad effects, is not being considered here. But on these broad considerations the rational decision is not to get the vaccine.
Exactly this, yes.
This calculation just doesn’t seem to have registered with any other friends or relatives, all of whom are urging mum to get jabbed. Fortunately she’s never cared about following the crowd (like mum like daughter!) and understands simple maths logic.
Still waiting to see if I get that phonecall (due soon – as I’m late 60’s and so next group in line here). Decided to say “No” and, if they push it they will get “I said NO” for a second response and, if they’re still pushing they will get that assertiveness training Broken Record technique of me just repeating “No – I won’t be” umpteen times (might even sing it to liven things up – “No, no, no, no, no, no, no – NO,NO, NO, NO, NO, NO – No no – no no” etc ad infinitum and then one of us will slam the phone down (don’t know whether that would be them or me LOL). Any further calls – and I just cut the phone off on them. If need be – my phone stays off the hook for the duration and I just tell my friends to leave messages for me on ansafone and I’ll phone them back. Blessings of having an old-style plug-in landline phone…
just treat them as you would Jehovah’s witnesses, ‘not today thank you’ said as you slam the door or hang up the phone. do not engage with them.
Now that is a plan so cunning if it had ears and a tail it would be a fox!!
Yeah – start calling them back repeatedly – to try and save them.
Anything Corona’s Witnesses can do, Jehovah’s can do better.
My apologies to any Jehovah’s Witness reading this. I don’t mean any offence.
I’m half Jehovah’s Witness, half Quaker.
I knock on people’s doors but don’t say anything.
I think you should engage with them, for as long as you can, at their expense, ask them to explain the excess deaths that have happened since vaccinations started – or the 3% serious adverse reactions in America – or why the vaccine is needed when there are excellent treatments (HCQ and IVM) available -or- why vaccinate when the recovery rate is 99%+ …
You will not be talking to the doc or nurse, but you may plant a seed of enquiry.
That’s why I’m so glad I haven’t gotten around to registering with a GP and perhaps I will make this permanent.
The last time I went to a GP (about 11 years ago), twice within a year because of broken arm and wasp allergy, I got sent to A&E each time. I have no respect for them.
Surprised at this.
I received one call from my surgery, told them I wouldn’t take up their kind offer and they said “OK I’ll put you down as ‘declined'”. End of.
I’m guessing that you got someone that was “just doing their job” – ie in the proper/Normal sort of way. But there will be surgeries etc where the person making the call is a Lockdown Zealot personally and sees a grand chance to have a go at the person they are calling and will try and bully them in any way they can manage (eg by repeated phonecalls).
And all that money they are being paid to vaccine people. The more people the more money.
I got a call and was put down as declined. I did get a followup call a week or so later (from a doctor?) who asked why I had declined. I said I didn’t have to give reasons. He said he was trying to help. In the end he said he would put it in the notes so hopefully will not hear any more. I think it is best not to get into any discussion regarding why you are not taking it. Just say no.
You have a right to remain silent ……
That’s what happened to AlanG too. MW
It’s how the NHS treat the elderly: With contempt and a good dose of bullying and harassment.
Unacceptable, LS! Utterly unacceptable! We are not here for “vaccine watch” (the “South African strain” is BS… there are thousands of “strains”), nor are we interested in this preposterous notion being pushed that businesses can adopt a “no jab, no job” policy. They CANNOT. End of.
What SHOULD have been your headline today was “Mike Yeadon, original critic of Lockdown policy, is bullied off Twitter”.
We have all seen the heartbreaking message that Mike sent to Robin Monotti. Both of them are HEROES of this community. Brave professionals who stood up and told the truth. All these people deserve a bit more support here. Stop bleating about vaccines and start reporting on the attacks on “Lockdown Sceptics”.
Not cool. Not cool AT ALL.
Agreed. Three cheers for Yeadon, and lasting gratitude for what he has already done.
Star witness at Nuremberg 2.
Hear hear
Yeadon is a hero, and will walk tall and vindicated when his attackers have suck into a cesspit of shame and derision.
Either that or we’re done for.
God damn that lot.
Yep.
I have assumed that the fact that Mike Yeadon has been cancelled is the very reason why this is not featured in the newsletter. I am surprised and pleased that this site is still here and I assume that the dull mainstream headlines are there as a front to deflect the critics.
could very well be[at least hope so ] and this way we still get to read and write in comments
I regret to say it, but I agree.
This is about far more than lockdowns now.
What did Yeadon send to Monotti?
Look at Julia HB’s twitter. It’s all over that. A screenshot of a WhatsApp message. I don’t agree with half of what JHB has to say on other issues but on this one she had been relentless, rational, fearless and fierce! She will not stop grilling ministers. She will not stop demanding all our freedoms are returned. She will not stop. She’s a warrior.
Yes indeed brave men who stepped forward and spoke out against the wave, (pun intended) of public opinion, when it was needed, these are the people that deserve medals & hero status (if you believe in that stuff) not profesional murderers & old propagandists.
hear hear
The Conservative Woman has an article by John Petley applying the story of the emperor’s new clothes to the contemporary situation. This is an apposite reference to the dynamics of mass delusion. Mr Petley points out that the boy’s explicit recognition is met with denunciation by those in authority, but ends the story with enough of the people seeing the truth.
And this is apparently how most people construe the tale of the emperor’s new clothes, which is ironic, for that is not how the story ends. As the final paragraph makes perfectly clear, although it is an embarrassing problem for the emperor to have so many see he is naked, nevertheless he and his noblemen carry on as though he is magnificently attired.
From the outset there have been voices pointing out that the responses to the coronavirus were disproportionate and would cause more harm than the virus ever could. And more and more people have come to see the truth of these critiques. Yet Boris Johnson (the boy who would be World King) and his ministers and experts have proudly carried on with their make believe, and branded any dissent as dangerous misinformation.
The boy is not being hailed as a truth teller, a hero, as one who shatters the collective delusion and brings a return to sanity; he is being ignored and hushed and punished; he is being treated as mad, bad and dangerous; he is being treated as an immoral, subversive threat to society. Even in a fairy tale, Hans Christian Anderson did not dare to go so far as to pretend that merely stating the truth was enough to shatter a collective delusion that was backed by substantial vested interests.
Quite right. But the way that the story has always been interpreted – as Andersen clearly intended – is that the boy was right, and the emperor and his sycophants were stupid and ridiculous. So I’d stick with the story.
The truth can only be a appreciated and accepted by those who embraced the lie when they themselves directly experience its consequences.
For 80% of the ‘bought quiet’ population that means only when either people start to die in droves
because of the ‘vaccines’ (and that can’t be covered up anymore), or when the money has run out, which will now most likely happen through hyperinflation and a subsequent currency reform and its ensuing partial asset confiscation (Lastenausgleich, wealth tax etc.) and depression.
And even then, most people won’t be able to admit that they were wrong.
More food for the independent public inquiry:
‘…….shortly after the first case of Covid was detected in a care home on March 31st, Singapore’s Ministry of Health moved around 3,000 nursing home employees into hotels to isolate them from the wider community, and tested all 9,000 nursing-home staff. Positive tests were followed by contact tracing and quarantine. Those measures were in addition to a month-long ban on visitation, safe-distancing in all homes, and zoning. Singapore has reported only three Covid-related care-home deaths, compared with estimates of 25,000 Covid-related deaths in the UK.’ Singapore above
What is that sound….like a balloon deflating at speed?
Oh….it’s the wind coming out of the windbags who claimed that shielding could not be effective, effected.
Fair enough, but don’t hold up Singapore as a model of right social conduct. It’s a repressive authoritarian society.
I have been to Singapore on a number of occasions, and I have spoken to Singaporeans about their country, so there is absolutely no danger of me holding it up ‘as a model of right social conduct’, whatever that may be (is objectivity on such a matter even possible?).
As Singaporean clinicians themselves point out:
‘“On a practical note, implementing these isolation measures met with little resistance, which may be a result of the collectivistic culture of Asian societies,” they wrote. “However, applying such a strategy in countries with an individualistic culture (where individual freedom is more highly valued) or in less economically developed nations may be more difficult.”
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-singapore-managed-covid-19-outbreaks-foreign-workers
A bit like the UK?
Forcibly removing nursing home employees to hotels away from their family, their children etc. Yeah that’s an example we want to follow…
That’s exactly the sound I was referring to…….
‘On a practical note, implementing these isolation measures met with little resistance…’ (Reference above)
Whereas we preferred to forcibly isolate our students and prevent them from going home to their families.
Consider it possible that at least some dedicated staff saw it as part of their duty, as in Japan:
‘…..manager Takao Furusawa says he owes a huge debt of gratitude to staff members who have basically put their own lives on hold so they don’t bring the virus in.
“They have hardly been anywhere else except here, and just commute between their homes and work,” he said. “They have taken their responsibility very seriously. That’s humbling to me.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/japan-coronavirus-elderly-death-rate/2020/08/29/f30f3ca8-e2da-11ea-82d8-5e55d47e90ca_story.html
Some careworkers in the UK did exactly that too – voluntarily.
In case you missed it yesterday:
First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
Gandhi
Write it out. Stick it on the fridge. Let it be your hope and inspiration. They are fighting us now.
Gandhi (and his followers) ultimately won by flooding the legal system with fines/cases
to the point where the bureaucracy buckled
Every I go out, I am fighting them. In my heart and brain and mind and soul I am fighting them all the time.
Oh yes – with you on that one. No surrender!
Well said. We carry on fighting because that’s the only way we will prevail.
I can’t believe the situation we now find ourselves in. Just sitting here, helpless, as the greatest and most ethically depraved medical experiment ever on the human race just motors on unopposed. LS increasingly won’t touch the subject of Covid vaccine adverse reactions or deaths possibly out of fear of being labelled as an “anti-vaxxer” site by the likes of the mendacious Neil O’Brein MP. I watched a few minutes of the Reform Party’s new YouTube show, and switched it off when it became a love-in for the vaccines (and even suggested that they give you good levels of immunity which is just a total lie). Lockdown scepticism is clearly more mainstream these days, but there is hardly an appetite to challenge the growing dangers of these very suspect jabs.
No wonder Dr Vernon Coleman broke down in his last video (I would encourage all to see it on Brand New Tube). This is a man who has seen his character and reputation destroyed for going against the juggernaut that is Big Pharma. He knows how evil this whole operation is. And yet, he’s just like the rest of us.
Helpless.
You are NOT helpless. Don’t be gas lit! Keep writing to your MP and members of the House of Lords. Keep it up. It’s a war of attrition!
Definitely. Follow the Mastermind cue: “I’ve started, so I’ll finish”
Absolutely. It is a war of attrition indeed. I’ve been on the end of a personal war of attrition that went on for years at one point in my life – and this does feel the same (only on a Society-wide scale). They are trying to break our will.
Agreed. We are getting through. We must fight this war to the end. Helpless? We don’t need to be.
Agree. It is even more incumbent upon us, below the line, to keep sharing evidence, links and support.
More for the Public Inquiry. More on Singapore, the major outbreaks were amongst immigrant workers living in cramped accommodation.
‘by early August, more than 94% of Singapore’s 53,000-plus cases were observed in foreign workers living in dormitories at the time.’
But it wasn’t much of a problem. Why? The workers were all young and physically active.
‘Patients were generally young, with no severe symptoms, no serious comorbid conditions..’
‘Just 136 (3.6%) patients were transferred to a general hospital in the first month. Of them, 1 required intensive care’
And a pragmatic approach to PCR testing:
‘“It has been demonstrated that SARS-CoV-2 is probably not viable after the second week of illness, despite the persistence of RNA detected on polymerase chain reaction assay,”
Lessons learned?……Oh, they had already learned them? Why hadn’t we?
‘“Isolation facilities can be created rapidly to care for patients without serious adverse outcomes,”
‘“If we contained the disease by hospitalizing patients with COVID-19, as was the strategy adopted in Singapore during the 2003 SARS outbreak, the nation’s health care infrastructure would have been rapidly overwhelmed,”
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-singapore-managed-covid-19-outbreaks-foreign-workers
WAKEY! WAKEY!
straw poll: Do you believe all these laws/changes/proposed ‘solutions’ have anything at all to do with a ‘virus’ as deadly as flu to the majority of the country?
‘jabs for jobs’ or ‘vaccine passports’ or stopping pubs from operating or collusion between govt advisors and MPs are all about your health?
The lockdowns are driving down birth rates, causing as many deaths as Corona, stealing freedoms, causing economic depression and saddling our great grandchildren with untold levels of debt.
Every day I find myself trying to find how this CAN’T have been planned in some way. After all, the great UN Agendas 21/2030 will use the above as further fuel to their totalitarian wet dreams.
WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP!
Think of your posterity for once. Your country existing literally depends on it.
Coronavirus Pt. 6: The COVID Vaccines – part 2 – UPDATED – Vaxxter
Reuters reported in September that “Singapore sticks rigidly to the WHO’s case definition for classifying COVID-19 deaths. It does not include non-pneumonia fatalities like those caused by blood or heart issues among COVID-19 patients in its official tally.” The WHO case definition requires that a Covid-19 death be from a clinically relevant condition.
If true this would at least partly explain the very low mortality there.
For all those SARS CoV 2 predictive models that fail to factor in T-Cell immunity:
‘The temporal association of functional SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell appearance with reduced length of infection suggests that T cells play an essential role in the control of SARS-CoV-2 infection.’
So junk those models immediately and start again, with some brand new coding:
”….the role of such peptide cross-reactive cells is puzzling and calls for a more detailed analysis of the effect of pre-existing immunity in the control or pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 infection’
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)00041-3#%20
Because pre-existing immunity is, intuitively, blindingly obvious looking at covid 19 incidence or lack of it in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and correlating with the earlier SARS outbreak of 2003:
‘In addition to Beijing, other affected areas in China include Guangdong Province, Hong Kong SAR, Shanxi Province, and Taiwan Province. Toronto, Singapore, and Hanoi are also listed as affected.’
https://www.who.int/csr/sarsarchive/2003_04_12/en/
If there is widespread immunity to SARS in east Asia then the incidence of SARS must have been greatly underreported and its lethality must be greatly overestimated.
Bang on!
And we were told that on 06 February 2020!
By a highly respected coronavirus expert in China at the time of the outbreak, Prof. John Nicholls, Univ. of Hong Kong
‘What is probably right is that just as with SARS there’s probably much stricter guidelines in mainland China for a case to be considered positive. So the 20,000 cases in China is probably only the severe cases; the folks that actually went to the hospital and got tested. The Chinese healthcare system is very overwhelmed with all the tests going through. So my thinking is this is actually not as severe a disease as is being suggested. The fatality rate is probably only 0.8%-1%. There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.’
I’ve always suspected Sars Cov1 didn’t just “disappear”
It simply fell out of the news cycle when it became a cold
I have an idea on ‘no jab, no job’.
Firstly, many jobs are becoming obsolete and will be automated. So where is the need for this… Soon it will be ‘no jab, no ability to buy/sell/eat’ without the mark of the beast as it were. This will happen when the govt eventually rolls out its own crypto currency.
SECONDLY!
Where could you realistically go with this? Let’s say someone gets in to power and then declares (rightly as it happens) that HIV is a pandemic or at least epidemic within the UK. What could they now legally impose on the population? No one has sex without permission? The high risk groups are to be isolated so it cannot spread and/or forced to take experimental vaccines.
I somehow don’t think the LGBT brigade would be happy and as they are a lobby group desperate for power these restrictions probably not happen in such a case. Which leads me to point three.
THIRDLY!
The only way any of this is possible is because the UK ‘adults’ have become soft, PlayStation playing, soy drinking depressed individuals. So when a cause comes along that they can jump on for their temporary boost to their low serotonin they will virtue signal to the hilt while simultaneously thinking they are somehow anti-establishment.
Point is if you stand for nothing, you fall for everything.
“Point is if you stand for nothing, you fall for everything.”
GREAT QUOTE!
Meanwhile, in Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-israeli-drug-cured-moderate-to-serious-covid-cases-within-days-hospital/
Unfortunately our present Government can only hold one thought in it’s mind and that word is vaccine. Apparently Hancock has based his policy on a viewing of the film Contagion, so it must be right.
It is scandalous that treatment options have been sidelined when it has been apparent that there were existing treatment possibilities let alone new ones that could have done much to treat anyone suffering from serious Covid.
There was talk of Ivermectin being used in India, do we know if that is what happened?
HCQ and zinc are the preferred option in india. They make a lot of the world’s HCQ.
I came across something on Twitter where they distributed packs of Vitamin supplements plus zinc and HCQ which are cheap.
Not to mention that social distancing and masking is pretty much non-existent.
Trust me I’m the Vaccine Minister
Just reading the ongoing discussions between Toby and Christopher Snowdon.
They focus on Sweden and the death rates in recent years. When you analyse the figures adjusted for the increase in age and population, 2020 had 101.3% x the death rate in 2017, 102.87% that in 2019 and 108.74% in 2019. It was clearly 2019 that was the outlier – 2020 was pretty close to normal !
sorry, the first 2019 should read 2018
So it’s official then – there are people in the Government that would like a “No jab no job” policy. Boy am I glad I’m retired!! I do hope the Government doesn’t land up as leading discriminator against those of us that make our own choices on that one – and our choice is not to have the vax. Would anyone like to speculate just what proportion of the workforce will stick to “My body = my choice” and have already made the choice not to have the vax? I am just so thankful that I am retired – because I wouldn’t have the jab no matter what. I’m guessing that if those members of the Government that want to force a policy like that on people succeed that they’ve not anticipated just how many unfair dismissals on the one hand and Lockdown suicides amongst working age group people on the other hand there would be. If the Govt. hawks on that one get their way – that will give one heck of a Green Light to others to discriminate in that way and we’ll have Vax Apartheid across society in a huge range of different respects. If employers get official sanction to discriminate – then lots of others would copy them and we will have that Apartheid. Now who is going to set up the first music/booze speakeasy in my area?
If vaccination is effective, then for international travel as a ‘passport’ it would be valid like a yellow fever certificate. The emphasis is on ‘if.’ And it has to prevent transmission too.
The “debate” on the issue of mandatory vaccinations for employment and travel is a way of embedding the assumption that the so called vaccines are a public heath measure and that it is necessary for individuals to be vaccinated in order to protect others. This assumption is false.
A vaccine is a clinical measure. A vaccine is a substance that includes an attenuated form of the causative agent (in this case that would be the coronavirus) which enables the individual’s immune system to develop defences, thus conferring immunity from the disease. A vaccine protects the vaccinated individual; it does not protect anyone else. Thus, the vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated.
However, the so called vaccines are not vaccines. First, none of them include the causative agent (the coronavirus), which even now has still to be isolated and cultured. The so called vaccines were developed by using the genetic code for the virus that China provided the World Health Organisation. Second, none of them confer immunity. Even the developers only claim their products reduce the severity of the symptoms.
The “debate” ignores these facts and instead focuses on whether or not it would be proportionate to require people to have to take the vaccine in order to protect others. The framing of the “debate” in this way ensures that fundamental questions about what the products actually are, how safe they are, what they actually do and do not do, are suppressed. This framing takes for granted the idea that the products are safe and effective vaccines. In Logic 101 this is called begging the question. In propaganda 101 it is called a master stroke.
Fascists – Covidiot cult members in this case – don’t debate. They dehumanise (anti-vaxxer, anti-science, you are stupid). They use force (mandatory jabs, no job, no travel). They threaten violence (you are a public health risk, off to a camp).
The ‘science’ would say the opposite of the Covidiot Fascists. There is no science to vaxxing the entire pop (does not stop transmission) and no science to rushing unproven chemical ingestions. None.
My lockdown boredom and frustration is leading to limerick writing. Here’s today’s offering.
Our government’s playing a trick,
They’re pretending we might all get sick,
We should stay in our homes,
Quake in fear all alone,
‘Til our freedom is earned with a prick.
From all the data that we’ve been collectin’
Covid’s weaker than we were expectin’
So let’s forget these vaccines
That could impact on our genes
And just give all the sick, Ivermectin
Love it!
50% of the population will not take the vaxx poison. So will they issue yellow stars for our jackets? Perhaps we need to shave our hair as well?
No proof exists that flu vaxx’s help more than a small minority. None.
A flu vaxx is not the same as a rabies or smallpox vaxx. No relationship, don’t conflate.
mRNA is untried, untested, unproven to do anything. It might reduce symptoms, no proof exists that it does much of anything.
Vaxx injury rates in the US are running at about 1 % or greater than those dying from CV 19. No Fake News interest in this of course.
Flu vaxx’s do not stop transmissions. No proof of that exists.
Flu vaxx’s are unnecessary unless you are over 70 and/or have a poor immune system. No science exists supporting the notion that healthy, under 60s need a vaxx. None.
So why the rush to Vaxx the entire world?
None of it is based on science.
So why the rush to Vaxx the entire world?
None of it is based on science.
It seems to me that the ludicrous vaccination policy is there to justify the ludicrous over-reaction to the virus in the first place. And the rush is to do this before the virus disappears quite naturally as do all viruses in the end.
I’ll wear my star with pride.
Even when the zombies start spitting at you in the street?
From six feet away? Through face knickers?
Yeah, I didn’t think that through did I?
Just working to the agenda.
There will be no mandates, but your credit score, based on your behaviour, will control what you are allowed to do; buy food, travel on the bus, travel on the train, order stuff on line.
‘No jab, no job’ is not legal. There are no ifs, buts, or maybes about it. A coercive medical procedure without informed consent is contrary to Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, and Articles 8 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Moreover, in domestic law, a medical procedure without informed consent is a criminal offence and a civil tort – it is assault on both counts, as well as potential clinical negligence on the latter if harm or loss arises from the procedure.
Never before has anyone in this country been required to have a medical procedure in order to exercise their right to work to provide food and shelter for themselves and their families. There are diseases far worse that Covid-19 and the public does not require a vaccine for them before being able to work. A ‘risk assessment’ is complete bilge – by its very definition, a vaccine protects the person who has had it from infection, therefore they don’t need to worry about the unvaccinated. Protection from catching what is a mild disease for the vast majority has never before been included in any workplace risk assessment, to my knowledge, plus it works both ways: if the HR department is going to start shuffling papers and clicking pens over ‘risk assessments’, then the employer will also need to do a risk assessment on the risks and benefits of vaccinating the employee.
And no, being coerced into having an unlicensed, emergency treatment for a disease that has little to no adverse health outcomes for those under 50 (and the odds above that age are still overwhelmingly in our favour) is NOT the same as being required to have a safe vaccine for a much more dangerous disease e.g. yellow fever, before travelling from a country where that disease is not endemic to a country where it is.
‘No jab, no job’ is utterly hysterical and flies in the face of medical ethics to even entertain the prospect of coercing someone to have a medical procedure without taking into account his or her individual medical needs and whether it would be a net benefit. It sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for other compulsory or coerced medical treatments for the abstract and meaningless ‘greater good’. I can see compulsory sterilisation happening in the name of ‘overpopulation’ and ‘climate change’, or if not that, then very draconian one-child policies like those seen in 20th century China. This all sounds completely mad now, but if I told you in 2019 that the entire country would be banned from seeing loved ones, going to work, shopping and socialising, and going to school, for a disease that very clearly only adversely affects a specific demographic, rather than directing protection and resources at shielding that demographic, would you have believed me?
Lockdown zealots call us selfish for speaking out against the inhumane treatment of lockdowns, but then expect us to relinquish control of our own bodies to the state just to keep them ‘safe’. There is nothing so exquisitely selfish as that.
Poppy, I hope you are putting your brilliant writing skills to use and being paid for it. Please DM me if not…
you are both brilliant writers so are annie and many more more like everyone here aside from me!
Once the state owns your body via socialised NHS government controlled, tax funded health care, the rest follows. Everything then is linked to a public ‘health issue’. This is one reason (amongst many) why socialised health care is immoral and dangerous. You have given up your body to the state. Now they can make any rule they wish.
I’m generally pretty pessimistic about all things covid, but I don’t think no jab no work has any legs for a few of reasons but not least because the market for work is a competitive place. Anyone who hires regularly knows it’s not that easy finding good people. Companies that require vaccines are going to be penalising themselves and will ultimately suffer the consequences.
That might be true for say software developers, but surely not for supermarket workers, delivery drivers, etc.
In my experience, it’s hard to find good people for pretty much any position.
Not hard to find people to sign up for the work, but hard to find those who will do the work well for the amount of pay available.
Maybe big corporations have it a bit easier.
But look at the NHS, who frequently complain about unfilled posts. And care homes, you think they find it easy to find people to do that work? Just off the cuff examples.
Sometimes its not the question of filling posts but the quality of people hired. Where I work, I can easily pinpoint enough people who should never have been hired in the first place.
That’s pretty much my point.
Agree. Given that many companies already struggle to hire and maintain good workers (as their reputation precedes them), mandating no jab no job will make their position even harder as sensible people would rather go on the dole or take on a badly paying job than to work with them.
Agree. And of course I don’t think they have factored in what happens if an employee develops adverse side effects ex. Bell’s Palsy that renders them unfit to work. Will they sack them? Because the employee can have a strong case for unfair dismissal and having put their lives at risk for having forced them to take a vaccine at the risk of losing their job.
a lovely piece of writing, but first I grew tired of ‘facts’, now I’m tired of ‘arguments’ ….. I am now convinced that we are dealing with such an unspeakable evil that these instruments of gentlemanly conflict resolution are completely out of place in responding to them: it’s like pissing into the wind. they lie and cheat and manipulate both in any case. I don’t know what the right response is. What does it say in the Bible? ‘resist not evil’ – I feel that’s the answer, although I do not really understand it.
Gove [ril]: ‘… the laws are mine, not thine: Who can arraign me for’t?’
Just had a news message ping on my phone.’keep Faith with the Oxford vaccine’ says minister.
Just about sums it up
The Priest has spoken
An opportunity to school him/her on the vaccine death spike.
The news message ping on my phone yesterday was about asexuality. Breaking news, huh.
The New Normal – faith, not evidence.
I just had this vision that Ms Zombie went to the jabberwokery and they gave her the AS snake oil and she was given a certificate and allowed to leave the country for a holiday in the Land of the Bong Tree, but when she arrived at the Land of the Bong Tree they wouldn’t let her in because they didn’t recognise the AS snake oil it had to be another brand that was acceptable to the Land of the Bong Teee where they had different mutants. End of story.
It’s a. good story. And the reason why I remain just a wee bit hopeful about vaccine/immunity passports.
The level of policy and logistics coordination required to pull it off is not something to dismiss so easily.
Absolutely. Even your own GP will have made errors and omissions in your notes. I’ve seen it first hand and was only a major inconvenience, not a danger thankfully. How on earth this could be managed nationally and then negotiated globally just boggles the mind.
Someone put this link up yesterday.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny Explains How the Depopulation COVID Vaccines Will Start Working in 3-6 Months (ugetube.com)
An interesting strategy is suggested round about the 40 minute mark. The host explains how she has told her family that she will not look after them if they get sick from the vaccination.
Also in this video it mentions how Hitler made the people think that Jews carried a deadly disease.
Sound familiar?
Absolutely agree. The phrase “you made your bed, so you lie in it” would definitely be applicable imo.
That’s just the flip side of ‘if you decline the jab then you don’t deserve any medical treatment in future’. If we only care about people who agree with us in every way then all is lost.
Agree wholeheartedly, Charlie. We have to consider the coercion and fear if the vaccinated get ill. We should not turn our backs.
Not quite the same as being one’s brother’s keeper. If they choose to walk off the cliff in large numbers after having been warned, there will be little that you can do anyway.
Their foolhardiness will reinforce the status of our jailers and make it even more difficult to us to recover our freedoms.
Today the G paper (apologies can’t write or say the full word) and the BBC have gone after the Queen
A story so obviously planted by the dictatorship that a fully educated five year old could spot it (Alas, FEFYO’s not longer exist)
Anyway, they are trying to blackmail Madge. Is she breaking ranks?
What are they saying about or to her, Cecil? I don’t have the stomach to look at BBC or Graun so a synopsis would be gratefully received.
A story about her trying to influence the introduction a law about the disclosure of her wealth 50 years ago
The message is simple. Step out of line and we have lots more dirt we can chuck at you
A regular aspect of conspiracy theorists has been the purpose of the Bank of England Nominees company, which the G reckons was the vehicle to hide “her” wealth.
The conspiracy theorists maintain that this company means that the Bank of England is privately owned. Quite why a private company would own the level of UK government debt which may be defaulted on is beyond me.
Ah, but you see, everyone believes it isn’t privately owned, so don’t appreciate, that actually, all the nations could default on their debts, and then take control of their own currency, backed by sovereign wealth, and not pay the banks to print money into existence, who then charge to us, the interest on it, by way of inflation and hidden taxes.
Article in the BMJ which I didn’t finish reading because it annoyed me too much. A couple of good responses in the comments worth reading though. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n314/rapid-responses
Mr Snowdon’s response is distinguished only by the distinctive sound of iron doors clanging shut: a closed mind.
He cannot conceive of a world of nuance and complexity
For example, the seasonality of SARS CoV 2
‘….societal changes over the past centuries with industrial revolutions that relocated outdoor agricultural workplaces into indoor factories and offices, while moving human lifestyle away from nature and outdoor climate. In the context of urbanization, a consistent thermal comfort zone could be maintained indoors, causing even further disconnection from daily and seasonal outdoor climate fluctuations. Nonetheless, it is important to address the current questions related to seasonality of HCoV in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. The apparent seasonality of HCoV across the globe suggests that this phenomenon might be mined to produce improved understanding of transmission of COVID-19 and improve public health intervention.’
https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/7/11/ofaa443/5929649
‘Societal changes…urbanisation…..’ Obvious stuff really
And the problem with a closed mind? It misses opportunities:
‘apparent seasonality…..mined to produce improved understanding’
That is why Mr Young is well on the way to becoming a National Treasure, a great deal more illustrious than one of those tawdry, increasingly sordid, peerages, and Mr Snowdon is, well,………errrr……….not……..
Snowdon’s reaction is no different to the zombies who have shut their eyes, ears and brain. They can’t deal with nuance only soundbites. A friend is still convinced that children can spread Covid despite all the scientific papers and evidence from countries like Sweden and Belarus.
That’s the sort of mindset we’re dealing with day in day out. As I’ve said I’ve give up as trying to reason with this lot is like trying to get blood out of a stone.
The BBC is not referred to as the State Broadcaster for nothing
The punching policeman of Manchester does not feature anywhere on the BBC News website today. It is like it never happened
The Manchester region page carries a story about a nobody by the name of Jackie Weaver who met someone from Strictly (Isn’t Strictly in Yorkshire? Should they be travelling?)
What’s not reported is always more telling..
Too busy noncing
And poncing.
Graham Hutchinson tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/GRHutchinson/status/1358661702028570626
Dear Prime Minister,
The Battle of Britain saved this country. “…so much owed, by so many, to so few.” We, the new few, are climbing into our cockpits, our engines are firing up, and we are ready for battle.
In times of war Britain has unified as a Nation and its Government been wholly supported by its loyal people, both at home and abroad. The disunity we have in our fight against Covid harms everyone.
Conflict has resulted because information from Government and media contradicts scientific evidence. To end this conflict requires action which I, and many others, are jointly prepared to take irrespective of our viewpoint.
We call on you to end vaccination of the frail, sick, and vulnerable. Data indicates death is occurring in this group as a direct consequence. We refuse to stand by while that happens. You must engage the precautionary principle and stop.
Respectfully,
If the South Africa & Brazilian variants are such a threat why didn’t they increase more rapidly & why are the receding so fast in South Africa & Brazil?
The Govt are lying their way through this?
The Quisling Spectator today advocating the permanent closure of pubs
Please do not purchase this garbage
Alcohol is their next target according to Devi Shridar.
Except in the House of Commons bar
served by pre pubescent children in muzzles no doubt
Nowt to do with health, for many that would be their sexual preference ….
Do you mean the William Atkinson article? The one that says nothing of the sort?
They won’t need to.When we finally emerge from lockdown how many will be left.
I’ve been following the ongoing debate between Toby and Chris Snowdon.
It may be that the rebuttals and counter-rebuttals are reaching a natural end-point, but one thing that jumped out at me from Snowdon’s evidence seemed worthy of more attention.
What staggered me most was the claim that the average loss of life per Covid victim was 10 years. Where on earth does he get that from? I seem to remember one serious estimate was 2-4 months! Given that even the majority of octogenarians actually survive Covid, surely it is the most frail generally who are succumbing (at the average age of 82). Is Snowdon (and Imperial College for that matter?) telling us that these frail octogenarians who died of Covid would on average have otherwise lived to 92? Just common sense tells you that’s ludicrous.
Am I missing something?
The bottom line, as they say, is that those who test positive for Covid live a year longer on average than those who don’t.
there was a paper that calculated 10 years. but it was a very bad paper that assumed deaths were of average people (within the age/underlying health cohort). its was pure propaganda
Hmm… I wonder what the average shortening of life has been for everyone who has overeaten, overdrunk, been stressed/angry/anxious, lost their livelihoods, not done enough exercise, been stuck indoors with stale air etc…
It wasn’t just bad it was totally ridiculous wasn’t it. I remember reading the paper and spotting the flaw in a few minutes. And yet they just asserted in a throwaway line in the paper that making that absurd assumption was reasonable.
In terms of how many extra years an average person dying of covid (from or labelled with covid), would have lived if covid had never made its way out into the world; it’s hard to say.
A conservative estimate to avoid understatement of the figure would be perhaps 1 year. Others have said perhaps 6 months.
You have to ask why the age standardised mortality in August 2020 was the lowest ever recorded in England (it certainly is for the past 20 years where I have seen data) at a time that normal medical care was difficult to access if significant years of life were lost.
And you can even argue that covid has increased the life expectancy of those who have encountered the virus, and fought it off. It may have given them some cross-immunity against the next coronavirus that comes along perhaps when their immune system isn’t quite as good but their T cell memory of SARS-C0V-2 remains. But you don’t need to consider that at all to completely demolish the 10 years nonsense.
They are basing it on avarage age stats. Anyone who gets to 82 yrs alive has a ‘likely’ age at death of 92 yrs. And when you point out to them that the 82 year olds who die at 82 have at least one comorbidity they respond with ‘well everyone at that age does, so what’. It is this statement that is completely untrue and unfounded. If it was true, 82 yr olds would not live to 92 on average. Frail people with comorbidities tend to die when they get respiratory diseases, that always happens and covid is no different to any other respiratory disease it has the same effect, which is why the average age of those dying with it is more or less the same as ‘all causes’ average death rates at any age you look at.
Its impossible to argue with fanatics.
Maybe the 10 years loss of life is actually for the vaccinated and will be a cover in years to come when the population starts dropping.
Have Bill and Melinda had the jab?
Haha I very much doubt it!
Saline solution – same as all the effete.
These billionaires can have anything they want except immortality – but they can fund research that could help them live for a long time, will one of them be the first 200 year old human?
And they have a world population to experiment on to achieve their goal, and the funnist thing – they are described as philanthropists.
Positive cases expanded dramatically during the 2nd lockdown and started dropping before the 3rd lockdown.
These are daily positive test reports.
Is that expansion to do with faulty PCR tests, in hospital infections and an increase in mass testing?
According to the Torygraph, a majority of the Cabinet want this.
“The idea of ‘vaccine passports’ – which would allow employers to insist upon proof of vaccination – have been dismissed by vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi as “discriminatory” and “not how we do things in the UK “.
However, the Telegraph understands that the issue is at the centre of a row in Cabinet, with some ministers arguing in favour of the scheme.
Some Tory MPs fear any such demands from employers could be used to justify demands for proof of inoculation in other circumstances. Allowing firms to discriminate on the grounds of vaccination is hugely sensitive because a disproportionately large percentage of black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) people are against getting jabbed.”
So that’s it then. Only way around being force-jabbed is to become Muslim.
Tempting, very tempting.
Anybody read ‘Submission’? There are other benefits. I’m thinking it would be supremely ironic if an insurrection against this fascism was started in the name of Islam.
This is a GENIUS idea! “I am a Muslim!” In the vein of I AM SPARTACUS!
You don’t actually have to become a muslim
Take a leaf out of the Alawites – they just larp as muslims to avoid getting killed
Same can be for jab avoidance
The Singapore article surely misses the elephant in the room – immunity. The microcosm of Singapore and its neighbours shows countries with varying degrees of lockdown fanaticism. Singapore may well have had an effective track and trace, and low deaths, because they, as their neighbours seem to do, have levels of immunity far beyond the baseline for the West.
The issue now is, the good numbers are credited to the measures and a surveillance state is guaranteed.
Also, this site needs to pick up the no jab no job debate with a bit of noise. Freedom and individual autonomy seems to be the thrust of the arguments against lockdown Toby et al put forward. Well, the gateway to the end of that is mandated vaccination. No fence sitting allowed on this one
Immunity & humidity.
Sunshine?
Is the other elephant in the room how they define a “case” and a “covid death”?
The Market Ticker was deeply into Singapores successful control of Nosocomial and care home infections, they wrote about it 11 months ago FFS.
https://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=239747&page=1
With year round high humidity & UV removing 95% of aerosol transfer as a vector, they operated on the assumption it is mainly contact transferred, the same as Norovirus or Polio.
Once they instituted an incredibly rigorous hand washing system in hospitals, they got it under control.
Note proper handwashing, when everybody enters a room, handwash, handwash again when leaving room for next patient etc.
Sumption’s article. Nothing more to say, really. The whole fiasco in a nut shell. Awaiting the return of leaders with a backbone. Until then, we hold up the country’s fragile future on our aching shoulders. If you feel like giving up… don’t. Just do it for the children. They have been abused beyond belief. Do it for them. We’ve had our lives. Fight so they can reclaim theirs.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9231807/Zero-Covid-mirage-says-JONATHAN-SUMPTION-virus-stay.html
There is no time to lose.
I’m glad that today’s edition has highlighted that shocking punch in the face by a police officer of a shop owner. Thugs are out of control.
I always thought Zahawi was a nasty Tory, he’s certainly proving that to be true.
The Tory Party MPs are now a sub-branch of the Labour Party – so of course he is Nasty!!
Or vice versa?
They’re just state thugs threatening decent people to follow government diktat with menaces, they’ve always been this way, the only difference is they’ve just become more political.
Remind them of their oaths.
They should not be involved in civil proceedings. They should be protecting us.
The police have pretty much made themselves unlikable and people have ceased to believe them everytime they use “racism”, “cuts” and “austerity” as an excuse not to do their real jobs. If you look at Twatter the amount of comments calling them out for not going after real crimes is staggering.
The police should wake up and fact to the fact that “Was was only following orders” will not be an acceptable excuse when the day of reckoning comes.
Is it just me?
Not just you:
He is Cane
What’s happened to LS? The piece below about stammerers and masks is printed with no remarks. Not long ago it would have been heavily suggested that NOT wearing a mask would be perfectly lawful in these circumstances, and moreover what the whole point of ‘exempt’ was. If Toby has been got at let’s know. If he gets that Peerage we WILL know. (TIC – I think)
Infiltrated by liberals.
Interesting that my post to the Forums last Friday, which basically duplicated what I had already put in the comments here about Kate & Luc’s opening up and needing support, has not been approved. First time that’s happened to me (though I don’t use the forums much).
I did wonder if there has been a concern at LS about not being seen to encourage petty lawbreaking (non-compliance with the mask and lockdown regs). During the panickers’ punishing winter offensive, when they successfully turned such weak reeds in the resistance as Snowdon and Hodges, TalkRadio and other centres of dissent clearly received a lot of pressure for supposedly promoting lawbreaking on masks, and doubtless all kinds of alarming legal and “friendly personal” advice will have been given.
There is always a risk of putting two and two together and making five in these situations (though the people involved bring it on themselves by not being open). But there has clearly been a lack of willingness to promote disregarding these regs by high profile antilockdowners such as Toby and Peter Hitchens, which gives the impression of a lack of confidence in their own positions. That said, it’s true that they are not inclined by nature or politics to be lawbreakers. But the groups in the past who have successfully resisted injustice have not been afraid to defy such rules, or at the least to support fully those who do so.
Yes. It’s important to stand on one side or the other, visibly. Otherwise conversations like this start, and the seeds of doubt over the rest of the content are sewn. Phase 1 of disinformation.
There’s no chance of Toby getting a peerage! I do believe that he and his team must be walking on eggshells at this point. Anybody who is still hanging on to a shred of their humanity wouldn’t need it pointing out that this sort of consequence is outrageous and unjustifiable. If they can’t join the dots for themselves then nothing Toby and co say is goign to wake them up.
True enough. Maintaining morale amongst the troops is also important, though.
While no one here should be that surprised by the creeping “no jab no job” narrative that is creeping in – the “wonderful encore” for the evil davos fascist criminals running this charade will be “no jab no school” for all children. It is coming, there is no end to this f***ing nightmare. We are the 99%.
I think this is a huge hurdle for these fascists though. We do appear to have a lot of legal protection here (albeit it has been no use so far). I can’t see companies on mass mandating this it would be a complete headache.
I am at least hanging on to this hope.
The Coronavirus Act has items that may negate many rights because of the “Public Health Emergency”. Taking Children, demolishing properties …
Repeal the Act in its entirety.
It needs to go but is anyone challenging it now?
“He deserved a punch to the face he should have been following the RuLeS”
Hope he disinfected his hand afterwards, but then again he seems to think it’s OK to wear the mask below his nose so I’m guessing he wasn’t employed for his “smarts”.
Facebook has deleted the page of the Great Barrington Declaration. We have up to now always thought that WW3 would be country to country. It looks like it’s now going to be the people versus the political class and the big tech.
To me it is more like a war between those who value individual freedom above all else versus those who value the welfare of the group as a whole above the welfare of the individual.
Except not everyone is completely aware that the war is on.
I think the ‘welfare of the group’ idea is only valid for the ‘foot soldiers’, so to speak. The elites who see themselves as above the group are most certainly only thinking of themselves.
it was ever thus! All wars are bankers wars!
It’s been this all along. It’s just they’re now not shy about it.
“I am so sick of modelled data. Cases are already at 50% or less of the levels on 3rd Jan and yet people are modelling that they might be 15% less by 21st March” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1358482859418386434)
“@ClareCraigPath has been getting a hard time for questioning whether an asymptomatic infection can be a disease. She has a better grasp of the philosophical issue than her critics, which tells us something interesting about the difference between medicine and biology.” (1/7 (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1358450852869062656)
“it would not be a surprise to see a flurry of lawsuits if an employer insists on workers being vaccinated on pain of dismissal”
I guess this was what Lord Falconer was referring to.
discredit safe treatments – protect vaccine profits – kill people
So vaccines no longer work? Who could have predicted it? Either way, do you think they’ll be too busy daydreaming about all the billions they’re going to make over these new strains, or will anyone bother checking how well HCQ and Ivermectin work?
Looks like we’re back to relying on the human immune system then. 1 billion years of development compared to 1 year.
1 year? You’re in a generous mood today.
I’m including the lab that the virus escaped from!
Exactly
It’s a big pharma shakedown
Where has that been asserted, Cristi N (apart from the sceptics questioning what ‘work’ means all along, of course)?
Oh, it’s has been “asserted” in a study only by the University of Oxford and the University of the Witwatersrand… nothing important, i’m sure…
Okay. Thanks. I know where to look now. I should have used the term ‘reported’. I will try to find the Oxford study that finds that vaccines no longer work – if you have a link that would be much appreciated.
I’m wondering if people are slowly waking up to the fact that the vaccines are not the salvation that has been touted and are causing more problems than they solve.
Not to mention that the government keep shifting the goalposts.
Or are they still in their propaganda induced wonderland?
No one’s waking up. They’ve been asleep for decades. Bombs have been going off, children have been raped, and people have been dying, and that didn’t bother them none. Why would this wake anyone up?
Sadly I agree completely with this.
We’ve been thinking a popular uprising was just around the corner since April, but no… they just turn the pot up one degree every day, and so long as the football is on, and X-Baking-on-Ice continues, no-one gives a fuck.
And don’t forget about their bribe money still being paid into their account and/or their savings and pensions still looking OK.
Sadly I agree with you.They have been kept happy by bribe money, Netflix and brainwashed by fear. And they don’t like it when there are people going out and about not fearful.
This is pretty much that saying “Never argue with idiots as they will beat you & drag you down to their level” wrought large.
Still propaganda induced to many people these vaccines are the holy grail. They basically view this vaccine as the same as that to treat polio/ diptheria.
That’s ironic, considering the absolute devastation Bill Gates’ polio vaccine has cause in India and across the globe. 400,000 children left paralyzed after being vaccinated. And experts have had to admit that most polio these days is cause by vaccine derived polio strains.
Unfortunately, I think you might be right.
An old boy who lives up the road, had just come back from jab central, when I passed him yesterday. He’d reluctantly had it, in the belief it would open up life for the youngsters.
Very sad to hear this.
That’s why they set the threshold so high for “herd immunity”. The criteria wasn’t how many people you need to vaccinate to ensure herd immunity, the criteria was what proportion of the population is necessary to overpower and rule by violence the other proportion.
When the 70% are vaccinated, they will be told that we still can’t go out, and it’s the fault of the 30%, and the 30% must be vaccinated. And the 70% will be furious and will violently force the 30% to vaccinate. Democracy at its best.
Just say you’ve had it then they’ll be forced to demand you wear something on your coat to prove you have and we’ll be back to the 1930s
Then tell them you’ve had it.
Well said. Its like people still whining that there are those who are “selfish” and “not following the rules”
Like the government, they’re constantly adjusting their broken record to make it sound like its our fault.
I get that here where I live (55+ years housing) most of the Tenants being over 5yrs. I will not wear a mask let alone in the communal areas. A couple of tenants who have seen me in the laundry room have told me I should think of others. Being someone who can’t be bothered with this kind of stupidity and giving a damn about what they think of me, I’ve just ignored them, completely and continued loading my laundry (interesting reactions to being ignored by the way). One tenant took to getting shouty with me about I should think of others. I walked away. Shocked they were.
However, I’ve now had enough of these brainwashed, virtue signalling idiot so have decided to adopt a zero tolerance attitude to anyone, and I mean anyone, who even dares mention it to me again. So, yesterday, one of the Tenants was standing at the bus stop as I was. She said “Have you got a mask”. I said, in a very angry tone, “Afraid that’s none of your business is it?”. Her response: “Well, you’ve got to think of others you know”. My response (and I raised my voice considerably): “Your health is not my problem. I’m done with you brainwashed idiotic sheep. You carry on with your idiocy and ignorance but I’ve got a better life to live. So, shut the hell up with your pathetic virtues and leave me alone”. I was shouting by then. Well, she was truly shocked, dumb struck in fact. She said: “I was only saying because they won’t let you on the bus without a mask”. Me: “Then just stop god damn well saying and keep your rubbish thoughts to yourself. I’m not the least bit interested”.
The tears really started flowing then. I just ignored her. I am a mild mannered person usually and rarely engage in this type of conversation. But, the time has come not for zero covid but for zero tolerance.
Mexico City.25 million people.Graph perhaps not clear what yellow means seems hospitalized without a test as out patient and then tested and probably same for C-19 deaths? But curve impressive although the natural seasonal decline will come in end January.
Coincidence? Ivermectin has been given already for parasitic diseases in 1/3 of the worlds population, pretty safe dirt cheap medicine. Good idea? At least nothing to lose in my opinion.
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1358545312550445058
Since December 29, if you are tested positive in the City of Mexico, you go home with 2x 12mg of ivermectin. The causally pleasing result is this:
The vertical scales aren’t defined. Is this actual numbers, in which case ridiculously low, or per million or whatever?
I think the numbers of hospitalisation per day and 7-days average deaths there is a link to original data in the bottom
If Dr Sherri Tenpenny is correct (and I have no reason to doubt that she isn’t) then the 11 million who have been jabbed are dead people walking
Obviously the dictatorship will ignore her and that 11million will rise exponentially(apologies)
On a purely selfish point how is this going to effect the price of my house? (Thinking sell mine now and pocket the cash as there will be plenty of free unoccupied houses available in the coming years)
Don’t even go there, I have put in a claim on Piers Morgan’s pad. Get back as the police continue to scream
I don’t know whether Tenpenny is wrong or right. However, she is an anti-vaxxer in the true sense (i.e. all vaccines are bad and unnecessary and should be stopped – and cause autism) so she is starting from a very particular position. She is also an osteopath (not a physician). I have visited an osteopath in the past and they were brilliant but I’m not sure it makes her particularly expert in this debate. I have more confidence in Yeadon, Heneghan, Gupta etc. Of course, she is absolutely entitled to hold and share her opinions, just like everybody else and may be right, but I would need to hear more corroborating views before I gave weight to her contentions.
..we will be happy… when will the flick the happy switch to on? Will there be street tea parties?
I have a gut feel that the vaccines are by and large safe but will cause some adverse reactions in more people than we are used to seeing with previous vaccines. In some cases those adverse reactions will be extremely serious and sometimes fatal.
My gut feel is about as valid as anything else at the moment because we simply don’t have transparency.
I can’t take seriously the views of a total anti-vaxer as I believe in the benefits of a number of the other vaccines we have available to us.
I can’t take seriously the views of PHE or the government because they are clearly pretending there are no adverse effects beyond a bit of an ache and a temperature, which means they are hiding the true statistics.
I believe that are basing it on the fact that in previous vaccine trials of this sort,all the animals have died when exposed to a wild form of the virus,a few months later.
As others have said, it may not be as clear cut as “11 million people are dead (wo)men walking”. I am personally preparing myself for seeing many more elderly people die next winter due to complications with new virus variants (flu, Corona, what have you) and the vaccine… and some younger people also experiencing the cytokine storm indicating the ADE resulting from a Coronavirus vaccine. There may be many more who may experience debilitating auto immune problems that are “inexplicable” but not fatal and that will never be linked to vaccines because remember “vaccines are all safe”. I think next winter will be the actual key to the entire Coronavirus story – new variant, new lockdown, new wait for a vaccine…? Will the thickest of skulls by then wake up? Meanwhile MSM selling the deaths as victims to the deadly new variant… you can start writing the headlines now. That’s why it is so important to get media exposure for ADE – hopeless cause I know – and that the vaccines could backfire spectacularly. SeeDr Doug Carrigan’s article “Are Coronavirus vaccines a ticking time
bomb?” And distribute widely. He is not coming from an anti-vaxxer stance but purely science – top US molecular biologist who worked for NASA et al.
If me and the Bro’s had come across them Manchester pigs it would have been a very different story..
https://gordondangerfield.com/
In the absence of anything we used to call journalism on the subject independent bloggers and websites are excellently filling the void.
The above blog is a forensic looking at the SNP Scottish Government situation. Possible Scottish independence leaning blog once again picking apart the lies and cover up of out Pandemic Masters in Chief, the untrustable Scottish Civil Service, Scottish Government and Nikkinakkynoo, et al.
Unrelated to the above blog please notice UK Government has given the Scottish Government £8.6Bn of covid coping coffers. It is fair to say most people in Scotland have seen now of it, will they ever?
I think arguing that “no jab, no work” violates consent laws is a waste of time. It doesn’t violate it. No one is forcing you to vaccinate because no one is forcing you to work there. You can look for employment elsewhere until the virus is gone. Or so they would say.
What must be argued is the idea that one needs a vaccine to begin with. As we’ve seen, due to new strains, the vaccine is more useless than before, so an employer cannot claim you have to do it for health and safety.
What if you are allergic to the ingredients?
You should refuse.
It is an Experimental Biological Agent and not a licenced vaccine. whether or not you are allergic to its ingredients no one knows the long term effects. Check out Dolores Cahill or Dr Simone Gold. Do some research!
Separate matter, but a valid point. Maybe someone can prove that humans are allergic to the vaccine. This guy made some progress: https://pastebin.com/NZKqVqSZ Would be nice if a health professional would offer their input on that.
There was even a petition demanded debate over ‘no compulsion’ in Parliament, so how can it be turned into de facto coercion? Pathological liars, much?
The petition was badly worded. The petition demanded that government not impose any kind of discrimination against vaccine status. It said nothing about government permitting or not such discrimination from the private sector.
There is precedent for this. There is no law saying you have to dress a certain way at work, but you can be legally dismissed for not obeying dress codes.
The petition should have demanded that government make it illegal to discriminate based on vaccine status.
Disability legislation doesn’t allow a company like costco to discriminate against people who don’t wear masks, but they are doing so. It would be like saying we won’t make our premises accessible to the disabled (ramps, closed loop for the hard of hearing etc.) because you can shop online – it’s pure discimination and the law prevents it, but that hasn’t stopped costco – a court case will be required.
Because the law recognizes discrimination based on disability. It doesn’t recognize discrimination based on vaccine status.
Vaccines cannot be grouped with PPE. It’s extremely unlikely that wearing a high viz, or a pair of protective goggles is going to put me in a wheelchair.
And what do you think is the likelihood of the vaccine doing that?
It doesn’t matter says “I don’t employ queers” – they can go and work somewhere else. Where do you draw the line – “I don’t employ Jews”?
Sexual orientation, religion, race, nationality are protected against discrimination by the law. Vaccine status isn’t. That’s why i said a few comments above that the petition against vaccine discrimination was worded badly.
So why not “vaccine” status?
Ask the government that. The petition that was launched a while ago was badly worded. It demanded that government not impose any kind of discrimination against vaccine status. It said nothing about government permitting or not such discrimination from the private sector. So government was sort of happy to say “we have no plans to discriminate” and be done with it. That not only leaves the private sector open to discrimination, but we all know what government is like when they say they have no plans. They have no plans until they decide they have plans.
It’s a slippery slope. What happens if somebody catches a cold and a flu at work?
Will they then be able to blame the employer for not doing enough?
All these problems arise because we are treating this virus as if it’s a threat to humanity when really the sensible approach would have been to treat it like a bad cold or flu.
Things could have passed sooner with little fuss but instead we’re now trying to work out how to control it forever.
It is, indeed. Which means that employers might have an incentive not to declare covid a workplace health and safety issue. That leaves them vulnerable to legal action from their employees as any covid case would be considered a workplace accident.
The girl at the till at Tesco this morning gave me a little card to give feedback online. I did. Plenty of space for comments so let rip….. No doubt they won’t even read them.
In fairness to Tesco (in Ireland), they are the only chain store where I have never been challenged about my maskless status. Lidl, Iceland and B&Q all failed on that one.
More pro vaccine propaganda.
Posted late last night. This is horrendous policing – how incapable are the police thugs to esculate to the level of blantant street fighting? All police in attendance need to be sacked in my view, the thug police punching the Polish man in the face needs to be jailed, in my view.
Notice how peaceful the people are under violent attack. Keep in mind these police thugs believer there is a plague on and they are saving lives.
Three Seas Insider (@3SeasInsider) Tweeted:
Is it still the police or already a criminal who attacked a peaceful Polish cafe owner in the UK? #Orwell https://twitter.com/3SeasInsider/status/1358539740258181122?s=20
Video of british police at work. you’ll need to watch a few times to see which one it the cop – hint, its the criminal.
something bad has been going on with police training – they are off the rails across the country.
If you think it’s bad in Britain… for business reasons I often have to scan US social media. NPR (national public radio… kind of like BBC by voluntary subscription) has literally gone insane. The anti-human propaganda campaign has been turned up to 11. Endless videos about physical distancing – suggesting that to get within 6ft of another human being is GROTESQUE at best and DEADLY at worst. That we should have a pole to PUSH people back. Urging people to DOUBLE MASK, and ensure they get much TIGHTER masks. Constant vaccination pushing… mostly centred on “don’t be scared of the needle” and “don’t listen to friends and family who say it’s unsafe.” It’s deeply disturbing. It’s creepy. It is a direct attack on people. It must stop!!
US media is a special case because they have to work double time to cover up for Biden’s utter incapability and his unbelievably low approval ratings. They need to frame everything that was going on last year as Trump’s policies and as very harmful, so when more and more people die, they’ll blame it on the previous administration. They’re already doing it.
Did you see Bidet propped up next to “Doctor” Jill to give his little pep-talk before SuperBowl started? She did most of the talking. He looked as if he was having difficulty staying awake.
About 730 deaths and 8 cases of spontaneous abortion recorded by EUDRA following Pfizer vaccination.
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/about-730-deaths-and-8-cases-of-spontaneous-abortion-recorded-by-eudra-following-pfizer-vaccination/
MANY DYING IN ISRAEL FOLLOWING THE EXPERIMENTAL PFIZER COVID MRNA INJECTIONS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HbPgE0q3D0x2/
Just a point on modelling. You can’t model something that is unprecedented.
Lockdowns are unprecedented. Any models used to predict the effects are worthless. I fear the results are far worse than anyone – even the ‘great resetters’ – suppose, and are already irreversible.
What arises from this is not going to be ‘build it back better’ or whatever ludicrous slogan they have, the result is going to be a collapse of unprecedented proportions and possibly even war – something so dangerous in the nuclear age it should never have been contemplated. Nor would it have been, had not politicians given up actual thinking in favour of a ludicrous trust in mathematics. Maths is a tool of science – it is not itself science.
Russia and China – possibly India too – are going to come out of this relatively well – the west is going to be a smoking crater, figuratively if not literally.
You can model the unprecedented. They do that all the time. What you can’t do is pretend like the model you make is completely accurate. You need to understand the assumptions you’re making in order to determine the likely error in your model.
A model is a tool, just like a hammer. You can hammer in a nail blindfolded, but you have to understand that holding the nail with your fingers is not a good idea.
Don’t want to start an argument, but you can’t. You need to base the model on something. Assumptions alone are not a proper model, this is the whole problem.
Look, I can easily model say the life of an electronic component or the profitability of a new way of distributing goods, because almost all the factors are known and the only assumptions I need to make are limited and extrapolate from a large body of data from precedents.
In the absence of data from precedents and with a ludicrously large number of assumptions you don’t have a model, you simply have an unsupported argument which would convince no-one suddenly transformed into a ‘model’ which also should convince no-one but alas, given the ludicrous trust in mathematics described above, does convince the politicians, most of which probably think a model is either a potential mistress or an Airfix kit.
You model it on the laws of nature, and existing science. It’s not like we don’t know how viruses work. It’s not like we don’t know how humans work and how they react. We have a good body of data to base a model on even in such an unprecedented situation.
Do you think they had no idea what would happen when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon? They knew physics. They could calculate the conditions on the Moon. They put all that together and modelled an unprecedented event.
Correct about Apollo 9 – and precisely why they can’t model the effects of lockdown. The effects of lockdown are not subject to physics or any other hard science.
I’m not talking about the effects of lockdown on the virus. I don’t care about the virus. I’m talking about the effects of the lockdown on all the wider issues that make a civilized society.
This is why we are here, surely – we believe lockdowns positive effects on the virus – if any – i don’t believe there are any – are vastly outweighed by the negative effects on society overall.
I believe that the elite have been deluded into this course of action because they believe it will serve additional goals such as tackling climate change, and that the ‘modelling’ they have done to achieve those conclusions is literally worthless.
And that the consequences of the lockdowns will not be what their ‘models’ tell them, that they will be far worse, and that they are already irreversible.
Agreed. When I was woking on the Y2K problem someone coined the term ‘uncertitude’ to cover the situation you describe. Uncertainty can only be used correctly when there is a range of known scenarios.
You’re assuming they didn’t know the outcome of lockdowns and that this wasn’t part of the plan. I wish we could put all of this down to incompetence but I’m afraid it’s more obfuscation like the desperate ruffling of Johnson’s hair in perpetual bafflement- all fake.
No, I’m not. I’m assuming that they have ‘modelled’ what they think the outcome will be and that it will all go according to plan. I’m asserting (without a model) that the number of unexpected consequences will be – are already being – such that the outcome will be far different – and worse – than they are anticipating.
The evidence is now supporting that as an economic collapse is already here although currently in a small capacity. However, deep problems are already being sown. Brexit – information by the RHA that since Brexit there has been a 68% reduction in freight traffic from the UK to Europe (the govt deny this but the RHA made a very explicit Statement and I believe them more than our Govt), mass unemployment due to perpetual lockdown is on the way by mid-summer, we are heading for record rates of repossessions, bankruptcy and small business going under and so on and so forth.
The collapse that is coming and has started will be significant.
One of the best models in everyday use is a calender. It’s pretty good at representing days, months and years because the variables are highly stable.
We can use our model to predict when the seaons will shift. What it doesn’t do well is tell us with any precision what the seasons will look like.
Reality doesn’t care that we’ve created a model to represent it. The best we can do with our model is say we can expect more or less of certain weather conditions at different times of the year.
Totally agree. It will be a spectacular collapse. Also, Latin American and African countries will come out of it relatively well because they haven’t adopted the same lunacy and their cultures and social norms are still virtually intact.
I’m seriously looking at Botswana, Nicaragua or other similar countries at the moment for when I get my State pension (two years time). We’ll see. BTW I read in RT UK today that the German Foreign Minister, Maas, is going to give the Opposition Party in Belarus £21m to boost the opposition. Now, in my lifetime, I would say I never thought that the German Government would be so stupid as to do something like this. Let’s see what happens.
To Resist. It might be coincidence but yesterday i filled my boots with “off grid” youtube viewing, at least two commentators i have followed for a few years are saying this should be looked at seriously. Richard D Hall made the move last summer.
And randomly there was nice old Ben Fogle on Ch5 with a family in rural NW Canada making beautiful wooden houses.
The UK is not a big place but it needs to be said that we might not be able to rely on the fuel, food and water networks in the future.
It will be down to numbers. There are people apparently in the know (deagel ?) saying that we are actually going to see a massive de-population very soon (how can they do that…) but there will be a small surviving population.
Create freedom networks locally with people on telegram/gab now. Soon the internet option might not be available.
Never forgive.
I’ve thought the same but isn’t the internet how they’re able to track and control us. Without our phones wouldn’t we be free?
Take the internet and smart phone out of our lives and then that is a small step to freedom. Without the internet there would have been no “virus”.
Just come off of social media. People don’t need Facebook/ Twitter/ Instagram/ Snapchat/ Tik Tok.
A mass boycott of this alone would start a revolution. It’s that simple.
As the days lengthen, the swervers do strengthen?
Is it my imagination or are the swervers increasing and getting a lot younger?
Had a lady brandish her umbrella at me as I ran past her yesterday, that was a first for me.
If this is a scam, there must have been a lot of well-paid co-conspirators and crisis actors (on NDAs presumably) some of whom may be beginning to realise what they’ve done and thinking better of it. We need just one to be open and honest on a (relatively) anonymous site like this to say what they’ve been a part of. If I could speak to any of them, I’d suggest they should open up about this now so that any future litigation goes less harshly for them.
Lot of worrying stuff in MSM about Astrazeneca re the South African variant.
Funnily enough Mike Yeadon had a lot to say about this on his Twitter account before it was taken out. I wonder if it was because it didn’t fit the narrative.
It comes to something that you can be cancelled for being pro Vaxx/anti lockdown!
Last night I read the Spectator article about the possibility that lockdown could be causing covid to mutate. For some time I’ve been thinking that lockdown could be doing this,last week I wrote here that I believe the reduction in flu infections allowed covid to dominate. This is basically evolution in action, all living things compete with each other, if you then remove one species other species will fill that space. A good example is the disappearance of the dinosaurs, they elimination eventually led to us. Likewise if we eliminate flu and other respiratory infections we eliminate the main competitor to covid.
Lockdown is based on the idea of reducing the transmission of the virus and does not consider what this does to the virus. This is because the strategy this government is using is been driven by glorified mathematicians called epidemiologists not virus experts. In fact the whole lockdown strategy is based on sand and I can’t understand why people like Christopher Snowdon is allowed to get away with the idea that without lockdown you would have exponential growth.
When covid began in China Professor Michael Levitt of Stanford university noticed that as infections increased the growth rates slowed down. This was because as people become infected and recover we develop herd immunity and this acts like a brake. This is why infections always peak before declining, and why lockdown seems to reduce the infection rate. All that lockdown can ever do is give you time to build up capacity to treat people not end a pandemic. If you want to use lockdown it should be done at the beginning of a pandemic not when the hospitals are at near capacity, together with the closure of borders and the quarantine of infected people
Our government wants to kill off the elderly, people must understand this is what is happening!!
Correct – it was a UK government which presided over 130,000 deaths of elderly put on the Liverpool “Care” Pathway only a few years ago.
I don’t think it works that way. But how i think it works is like this:
Nature abhors a vacuum.
So many people think that we can simply get rid of all the “bad things” (subjective) in the world and all that will be left are the “good things”.
All that happens is when something is removed something else takes its place.
If we insist on taking natural immunity out of the equation then we must be prepared to use artificial means forever. We can’t bypass our immune systems and expect it to work in the way it always has up till now.
It matters not if Covid mutates because it is a background virus (if that) now. Any nod to the current wordage and terms is just perpetuating this idiocy. Do we care if the flu mutates or norovirus( which mutates every year).
Maybe if you get the strong version of norovirus you care but you don’t shut down society.
Go look at climate science to see how the terms shift just to keep those in the money.
What we really watching is political suicide for most politicians, council people etc. They just don’t know it yet.
When has it become OK for police to assault members of the public?
I cannot believe that the majority of those in the police forces support this kind of behaviour. it is shocking
The ain’t called pigs for nothing
Film them
Film them and shame them.
Mate… you live in the “oi, do you have a loicence for that” country. Do you really need an answer to that question?
Because its much easier to harass members of the public than go after thieves, gang overlords, child molesters, fraudsters, etc.
It’s been just FINE for years. Nobody cares.
Dear Dierdre
I have become an adherent to the teachings of Dr Sherri Tenpenny
My adherence is not based on any science that is provable
My adherence is based on the deep but silent joy I feel as I wander amongst the Covidia
Is this normal
Forgive me if this has been asked before.
But has anyone had their day in court after choosing not to pay a coronavirus-related Fixed Penalty Notice?
I am interested in all cases but especially where the recipient had a different interpretation of the police’s and has decided to fight it. Clearly you risk getting a criminal record if the magistrate takes a different view to yours but I wonder how this has worked in practice.
I keep being told that the courts are gummed up and I have a suspicion that all of these FPNs are going to be thrown out when this is over…
Cecil B I think recently commented that his own ticket had expired after the six months allowed for initiation of action.
Sadly I haven’t yet been ticketed, despite never having worn a mask and spending the morning on Saturday in an illegal breakfasting den raided yesterday by the state militia. I’m a bit worried that liberty might return before I have such a proof of honourable resistance for myself.
A time will hopefully come when those without a coronavirus-related Fixed Penalty Notice will think themselves accurs’d, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks, who holds such a badge of righteous courage.
The speech you refer to in your final paragraph has often occurred to me.
I’m not going to go out of my way to get a fine, but what a souvenir to hand down to grandchildren!
We few, we happy few.
Where’s the breakfast den please Mark ?
Kate & Luc’s (see numerous other posts here), Burnage.
I understand he might not be reopening again tomorrow, after his night at Her Majesty’s pleasure, as originally planned, but is determined to reopen later this week.
We would have known if a member of the public lost a case. Catch 22 situation, if the state lose a fixed penalty case then they will not be able to issue more penalties via the lockdown legislation.
Peter Hitchens has been aware of the post-Blair structural problems within our police for many years, and addressed it in books going back to at least The Abolition of Britain in 1999.
Recently he made the following observation, which seems reasonable:
“My theory is fairly simple. In a liberal state, the police are weak on crime because it is officially regarded as a social disease, not really the fault of the criminals. But they are tough on individuals who tackle crime themselves, because they threaten the state monopoly of law-enforcement (worse, their methods, if generally allowed, would be more popular than the feeble methods of the state police); and they are tough on street protest because they represent a state which regards itself as good, and so sees all protestors as automatically malignant. How do you think totalitarianism would establish itself in a once-free country? What do you think it would look like? I think it would look like this.”
That observation needs to be extended somewhat, to note that such a leftist state militia is hard on the particular category of “crime” that represents dissent from the ruling establishment’s dogmas -ie the coronapanic dictats, or the various pc enforcement regulations.
And it is positively compliant on street “protest” that actually represents intimidatory enforcement of establishment dogmas, such as the BLM and XR mobs.
With that, you have a reasonably good basic theory of modern British policing.
Missed opportunity in todays update. Could’ve slipped this scene from The Life Of Brian in. Maybe LS has been gotten to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UImFKFAWFZ8
A shop owner who opened his café in Manchester was punched by Police. When did our Police force become thugs attacking people for making a living?
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/07/police-officer-punches-man-resisting-arrest-by-busy-manchester-cafe-14038815/
Since about the Miners strike
You just weren’t paying attention
And the protests by printers.
A friend of a friend at the time, was a particularly obnoxious copper. He would gloat on his returns every couple of weeks, about how the boys had gone up there to give them a good kicking.
Sounds just like the Stanford prison experiment. Give a group of people power over another group, enforce it with authority, and in no time at all you will get abuses.
Been trying to get LS to add Dire Strait’s Iron Hand to the playlist, but they didn’t even reply to my email. https://youtu.be/1oHfnggzIaA
Very shocking
Sadly the way people see the police changing in a bad way. Others want to know why they focus this instead of catching the baddies
Burnage is part of Greater Manchester . The Chief Constable until Dec 2020 was Ian Hopkins . He resigned the day after Greater Manchester Police were placed in special measures because they had failed to record a quarter of violent crimes and one fifth crimes overall (ref:Wiki).
As they say , a fish rots from the head down.
Failed to record a quarter of violent crimes ?!?!?
Fuck me that is truly appalling.
The descent into the abyss is gathering pace. The suggestion over the weekend that pubs “may” be allowed in to reopen in April providing they do not serve alcohol was yet another indication that our society has ceased to exist in any meaningful sense.
This makes our job so much harder, because all appeals to rationality or common sense are pointless when faced with an opponent numbered in the millions who are all clinically insane. In terms of fixing this, I think we have past the point of no return. The illness is too profound, and has to run its course to a hell that will eventually destroy itself.
next on the list .
restaurants to open but forbidden to serve food
barbers to open but forbidden to use sharp implements
swimming pools to open but forbidden to use any water
etc etc
Probably already in the works. A ban on speaking in all public places must be on the list. There is no limit to how twisted this can get.
“People’s online searches can be used as a tool to help epidemiologists spot coronavirus outbreaks early, researchers say” – EdinburghLive
“Using symptom-related searches through Google could allow experts to predict a peak in cases on average 17 days in advance, a group from University College London (UCL) said.
“Analysing internet search activity is already used to track and understand the seasonal flu.
“Details of the model have been published in the Nature Digital Medicine journal.”
Ahh Big Brother
To ensure privacy use DuckDuckGo as search engine and / or get a VPN
Proton VPN is good and free
It stopped working for me, so I pay money for HotSpot VPN.
Interested to hear that. I have heard of no issues, hence me saying. I will remember hotspot. Thanks.
Free VPN’s are dangerous
Agree entirely. Not just useless, but many of them are actually less-than-secure proxy services with known histories of leakage and backdoor activity. Same goes for free AV programs.
Proton email is encrypted, has a good reputation and is Swiss, i.e. outside Five Eyes’ jurisdiction (he says optimistically).
Protonmail is free if you use the basic offering. You pay for the VPN and bigger package / business packages
Yep. DDG search engine/Brave browser/Nord VPN/Bitdefender AV, mebbe.
Or alternatively join forces to search something else that would trigger an end to lockdown entirely. What’d you do then.
This really explains a lot, though. If like me, you’re from Lincolnshire, then your search is ‘“What’s that smell?”, (it’s slurry/manure/silage) “When is the tip open?”, (never), “Do I still have a functioning NHS?”, (no but cheer up, it never has and you’re still here), “Do I have lymphoma?”, (if you are an arable farmer; probably), “Where are the bees”, (dead from Neonics and glyphosate).
But I doubt very much that this county of stoics are that hyperchondrical or curious to bother looking up symptoms. We are too busy scrabbling fur a living.
Any chance of a flash mob searching for symptoms of Ebola?
Why flash mob when you can bot?
I’m afraid that noble warrior that he is Toby is wasting his time in the ongoing debate with Snowden, who is a nobody. If the exchange was taking place with NO’B MP or a Govt. minister, holding them to account, then it might be a different story. Getting shopowners to display a ‘Maskless Welcome’ sign would be a positive step, plus relentlessly putting the evidence to MP’s so that they have no wriggle room when the inevitable enquiry comes would be more helpful.
It is at least a debate – and, as the debates you suggest would be preferred, any debate is good….
You missed the K.
Only once he gets knighted. Then he will be Sir KNOB o’Brian
I’m glad somebody got the name abbreviation!
If 0.2% of the UK population have their deaths labelled as covid (with or from) over the course of this, and each such labelled death results in on average 6 months of fairly unhealthy life lost through SARS-C0V-2 having appeared on the scene.
Then on average that works out at less than half a day (or more precisely 0.4 day = 0.2% x 183 days) of fairly unhealthy life lost per member of the population.
So if the direct covid mortality effect was spread evenly over the population, it would be like someone decreeing, we are going to cut everybody’s life at the end short by half a day. So for example someone destined to die at 10pm on 5th January 2040 will actually now die at 10am on 5th January 2040 instead.
Compare that with all the misery that everyone has suffered over the past year (albeit to widely different degrees) and ask is it worth it for less than half a day of life?
Doesn’t that make you think we’ve got things completely out of proportion, even before you consider that the evidence is that lockdowns don’t prevent a single covid death but cause huge indirect loss of life?
Is this logic correct?
I was born at 6am so can I have my extra half a day during daylight hours please
Ha ha. I’m allocating by half a day of life lost to time I might have spent watching the BBC.
And would the English Calendar Riots of 1752 have taken place if the calendar switch was just half a day rather than 11 when the calendar was switched from the Julian to the Gregorian day. I suspect they might as it would have resulted in people working during the night and sleeping during the day.
In 1752 most people did not work according to clock time.
It’s very difficult to put numbers on it – but for me, as one of the ‘vulnerable’, supposed to be ‘protected’ – is the fact is that a year of my limited remaining life has been buggered by this shit-show.
I’m fairly forgiving – but not on this.
Yes interesting.
Even if you break it down to individual risk level, that is average loss of days of life taking into account individual risk level ,so some are above 1/2 a day and some below, you still end up with the misery being more than the covid mortality effect for just about everyone, young or old, vulnerable or not, living at home or living in a care home, working or prevented from working.
Don’t you need to work into your calculation the total years lost?
It’s not the same if a 20 year old dies than if an 80 year old dies, is it?
A very crude approach would be to find out the average of people dying from covid and take it away from the life expectancy age to get the years lost per person dying.
I’m working off it being half a year of life lost on average per covid death. We can debate whether it is half a year or one year but it’s that sort of order.
That will include a very very few younger/healthier people where it is significantly more years of life lost balanced by the vast majority who are older and vulnerable people where it is less than a half.
There has been discussion on this already today.
Your crude approach won’t get you anywhere near the correct answer. For a start most covid deaths are people with co-morbidities whose life expectancy is significantly less than someone without co-morbidities. You can’t ignore that to get any meaningful answer. If you adjust for that it gets you down to about 9 years life lost.
But then within a subgroup of people of the same age, sex and co-morbidity mix, there is a massive variation in life expectancies and covid death selects for those with the abolute worse life expectancies within that sub-group being typically those who are counted as covid deaths. For example the person who dies because of something other than covid but tests positive for covid essentially has a life expectancy of zero, as covid did not bring forward their death. And if you have two people with diabetes one who has it controlled to some extent and one who is experiencing end of life complications of diabetes, it is the latter who is far more likely to die from covid, because the severity of their diabetes makes them most vulnerable to covid death.
Again!
Day after day, the lead item picks up the MSM narrative! :
“The AstraZeneca vaccine has faltered against the South African Variant”
Where the implicit sub-text simply takes for granted (a) that it is otherwise effective and (b) the ‘virulant variant’ story.
What the f. is this site about????
Don’t get too wound up.
For those of us who avoid the MSM like the plague, pun intended, I’ll just say that what is ATL is useful for myself to try and get a wholly rounded view of the current shitshow. I then cruise through the comments to find valid alternative viewpoints and links.
And at least it saves me going to the actual MSM and having to have a long bath afterwards to wash off the filth.
If the oxford vaccine is useless against south african variant then surely the pfizer vaccine would suffer the same issues? I understand the delivery mechanisms are different but surely the coding for the spike proteins are identical? Or is it that oxford/astra vaccine was useless in the first place?
Any expert on here that can explain?
In what way is it useless if, as reported, it prevents death and hospitalisation (I don’t know that it does, but that is what is reported)? Who cares if people still get a sniffle, or even have to hunker down in bed for a fortnight but come out none the worse?
The south africans have stopped using it. I reckon they know as much about the south african variant as anyone.
South Africans, of all races have a strong and well-developed instinct for when government-mandated genocide is occurring. It’s only a small step to see a multinational or philanthrocapitalist doing it. This is a population forged in the fire of the Boer war and Apartheid living with governmental corruption on a pretty epic scale. They know when to quit. I’m not sure why they would take any shitty medication from Britain, but I suppose old habits die hard, and a lot of people have been ignoring their own history and common sense in the past year.
All that said, I’m sure they’ll take the vaccine if whomever their latest paymaster is.
I had thought that the human survival instinct would eventually overpower the 24/7 covid propaganda but the evidence from israel and now the UK suggests I was too optimistic.
So you believe that the vaccine can’t prevent a sniffle but will prevent serious disease? 99pct of human immune systems also achieve this without risking allergic reactions and unknown long term side effect from experimental gene therapies and Genetically modified chimp viruses.
I believe that the treatment (not a vaccine in the usual sense) could reduce severity of symptoms without avoiding them completely. Many treatments do that in all sorts of situations. And yes, that will be superfluous to those who are in good health with robust immune systems (me included) and have no interest in a vaccine.
They don’t even know if it does that. The analyses so far showed that there was no difference in their variant trial between those who got sniffles and those that did not. Whether they had the vaccine offered nothing.
They have to wait to see if any of the trial groups end up in hospital because it didn’t happen much or at all.
Start doing some research.
Why not just give everyone a does of one of the mild corona colds?
Surely that would be more effective in training up the immune system to target coronas than the frankenjab
As someone who’s had long covid I just want to reassure those currently mired in it that it does pass. It takes 6 months for the nighttime pain, breathlessness and tachycardia to pass, and a while longer for your reason to return and the brain fog to depart). I truly believe that it causes temporary but reversible brain damage.
The oxygen deprivation, at night especially, damages a part of the brain essential for high level processing, (leaving you grasping for words for months ; called “brain fog” but if you’re naturally articulate it really doesn’t do it justice). It affects your driving too. But more than that it stimulates your trauma responses. So you are extremely vulnerable to poor quality thinking, an inability to process trauma rationally (which as a C-PTSD sufferer I can assure you is actually quite possible and most of us are doing it most of the time).
You overreact, you end up in disputes. Your impulse control worsens and you are victim to intense and irresistible, visceral fear. But again, it doesn’t last. It won’t last and reason will return to her throne.
The vaccine is prolonging this problem by creating a recurring cycle and speeding up the rate of mutations, but it won’t be as long-lived because many of its recipients are going to die or become highly incapacitated. And as most people have had covid, (whether they even know it or not), their bodies are going to fight it off by hook or by crook. In some ways, the elderly are going to be the generation that lays down their lives to protect the younger while this vaccine madness goes on. What is tragic is that some of the survivors of concentration camps in Israel are now being taken out by the hysteria of their own governments. But I suppose if you asked them, they’d choose this over a gas chamber or many of the multitude of ways that Jews were injured or killed during WW2.
[As an aside, I’d be prepared to bet that this is how we got such a landslide from 2019’s GE. A lot of people who couldn’t process the higher level thinking necessary to assess if “Get Brexit Done” was an acceptable mandate to give someone with so little capacity and intellect, and a shitload of undirected fear and anger].
So be braced! Whether manmade or not, (which in the grand scheme of things isn’t really important), there’s going to be a lot of incompetence, aggression, fear, adrenaline, cortisol, despair, death and complete and utter irrationality washing around. Further mutations will trigger it temporarily, but it’ll be of much shorter duration, and easily helped by exercise, good diet, less stress and once it has blown through a few times, it’ll largely be water off a duck’s back. Those of us who are unvaccinated will emerge healthier and readier to take on the aftermath. I can’t say for the vaccinated as I suspect it’s a matter of genetics and quality control, (which is sorely missing in vaccine production).
But there’s my penny’s worth. If long-covid is making your life a misery, hold on, sleep lots, eat super-well. Go for walks and watch it slowly recede. And (note to GMP), if you feel like you’re losing your shit with some innocent citizen, stay strong and resist your anger and fear. It’s COVID talking but one day you’re going to have to answer for it.
Thank you for sharing that. I’ve had issues after illnesses in the past, and they passed too. The most difficult one was actually not from an illness, but from a reaction to an antibiotic which was so bad I called the GP out. She said it was a coincidence! I took a long time to recover from that.
“A lot of people who couldn’t process the higher level thinking necessary to assess if “Get Brexit Done” was an acceptable mandate to give someone with so little capacity and intellect, and a shitload of undirected fear and anger”.
Well that is one of the most patronising things I’ve read on this thread! Everyone who doesn’t agree with you or have your astonishing level of foresight is a bit thick? I expect this from the #FBPE crowd but not on here.
‘Long covid’ my arse. You’ve had post viral syndrome same as we did early last year, same as lots of people have always had after a nasty viral infection. Junk the brand name, you’re just helping to market the bloody mythology. This is a place for scepticism, not shilling for the mainstream bollocks. What a wind-up!
AG
I assumed the ‘long covid’ comment was irony, and grinned appreciatively while reading through it.
Nah mate. That’s what you call a false positive. You need to go into your irony test settings and dial back on the old amplification cycles.
The numbers are falling off (apart from jab deaths of course) so Long Covid has been picked up and dusted down…
AG
Well said!
“A lot of people who couldn’t process the higher level thinking necessary to assess if “Get Brexit Done” was an acceptable mandate to give someone with so little capacity and intellect, and a shitload of undirected fear and anger”.
The only appropriate response to that is in kind.
Fortunately for us there were more of the type you describe willing to vote than there were of those with too little higher thinking capacity to understand that putting a bunch of corrupt and evil Blairites and Corbynites into office, probably in cahoots with the objectively evil SNP, with the clear if rarely openly stated intention of overturning the mandate of the referendum and locking us back into the European Superstate project, was infinitely worse than the alternative of having our own nation’s buffoons in power.
And indeed it’s obvious from the behaviour and words of Corbyn, Starmer and Sturgeon that the panic into lockdown would have been faster and harsher under Labour than it has been under the “Conservatives”.
The current situation is shite. But one thing absolutely guaranteed to make it even more shite would be a Labour government. You can kiss goodbye to any remaining shreds of freedom of speech and opinion when that lot next get into office.
Don’t worry Mark, it won’t be a Labour gov. next. It’ll be the National Unity Government led by the Trilateral Commission’s very own Sir Keir Starmer (and that will be even more Shiterer).
AG
Arguably the nightmare scenario…..
That made me titter
I have ulcerative coltiis and that reads like I have had it. Never an issue before, then bang, dropped down to 7 stone in three weeks. Body was wasting and gut inflamed in a positive feedback loop just eating me up.
Better now. But the recovery took about 6 months. Did all the things you said and healed. Point being, did I really need to tell you my story?
Sounds very like the condition I was left in after getting pneumonia some years ago. The treatment by the NHS was so appalling my husband had me moved into a private hospital. I also suffered vaccine damage whilst working for the NHS when I was forced to have a BCG vaccination as I worked in oncology. I had a terrible reaction (urticaria so severe my lips split and I couldn’t breathe or swallow) and then developed severe autoimmune problems. I later got cancer and have never been well since. I shall never have another vaccination, especially when the side effects exceed any benefits.
This is ThE ScIenCE:
Findings Our model for Sweden shows that, under conservative epidemiological parameter estimates, the current Swedish public-health strategy will result in a peak intensive-care load in May that exceeds pre-pandemic capacity by over 40-fold, with a median mortality of 96,000 (95% CI 52,000 to 183,000). The most stringent public-health measures examined are predicted to reduce mortality by approximately three-fold. Intensive-care load at the peak could be reduced by over two-fold with a shorter period at peak pandemic capacity.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.11.20062133v1
This is boring, tedious reality:
That was by the way 96,000 extra deaths by July from March. When in reality none of that happened and that’s even with Sweden adopting the loose attribution policy to Covid. Mortality has NOT changed.
Question is now has government policy in the UK (democide) resulted in the mortality spikes we have seen or is this just a variance that comes every so many years. I think the first spike was induced. The second one I’m not sure if it’s a correction
Yes I should have made it absolutely clear that the “modelling” was for a median 96,000 Covid deaths alone, though most here will understand that.
Conservative estimates too. Unreal
Note on the above, the year actually finished at 97,941 all cause deaths for the year, I clicked on an older version of the graph by mistake.
Could be adding another to the list of VitD, HCQ and invermectin.
https://www.cityam.com/israeli-hospital-says-it-may-have-found-covid-19-cure-as-all-treated-patients-make-full-recovery/?utm_content=bufferb68fa
Depends how expensive it is. If it costs billions upon billions, we can expect the media to pick it up. On the other hand, the news does come from Israel, and the media is very against them lately.
Awful news this morning from a friend in my hometown, 2 suicides – one late teens and another early 20s. Mother of one said lockdown tipped him over the edge.
When will this ever end?
That is absolutely heart breaking.
Unless we make it so, never. Appalling and entirely avoidable loss of life such as this is absolutely meaningless to the Covid Cult. Indeed anyone citing cases like this as evidence for the brutal impact of lockdowns is savaged as a heretic.
That’s absolutely awful and it’s so so sad
That and all the other cases mentioned should be given front page news, we really need to get the message out of the dreadful affects this situation causes it. I certainly feel suicidal at times but to think the young are feeling the same is truly awful.
This is awful news and yet the zombies are still refusing to acknowledge that this is happening.
Good question – when will this ever end?
Abir Ballans Twitter thread is on the money. My takeaway from it is, if a really deadly virus sweeps the world, we’ll all know to completely ignore Governments and Scientific advisors, NGOs,MSM etc.
https://twitter.com/abirballan/status/1357690512455716873
I’m beginning to forget. Forget what normal life was like. Weekly lunch in a cafe on a Friday as a treat for a week of hard work, fortnightly visit to the cinema, doesn’t matter what was showing as it was a night out, and a monthly visit to the theatre, perhaps dining in the restaurant next door.
All that has gone, along with the alternating weekend visits from my children. Aside from rollercoastering mental health, it’s difficult to maintain a relationship as we don’t do anymore go anywhere.
Won’t give up fighting, but accepting that even when 99% of the population are vaccinated we will still have restrictions due to “variants”.
Was thinking exactly the same thing this morning, how life has changed but become normalised, the plan all along I suspect, we adapt very quickly as a species, hence our huge success over millennia. They know this. Habit’s and behaviours can be changed in an average of 66 days, they are well on their way to changing the habits of the world. Pretty amazing when you think about it.
I too won’t give up fighting, I will still continue to live my life as I want.
I have been supportive of the Zoe app here – I think its the best dataset. But Tim Spector’s comments at the weekend ‘masks and social distancing can carry on for years, they dont cost anything’ – just marks him out as another oddball public health loony who cares nothing about people or society – just numbers in his stupid spreadsheets. I wonder if public health attracts a certain sort of puritan character who love to see people as ‘problems’ to be ‘solved’
I thought the same. He seemed to be quite reasoned and has a more holistic approach to health when I’ve listened to him in long form interviews. But his comments again typify what we’ve seen recently. While he is not a sceptic, he seemed measured enough to avoid getting drawn on things like his article outlined.
He knows his career is on tbe line no doubt. He also stands to make a tonne of money with personalised and digitised health in the new normal.
They’re complete and utter maniacs. Soulless, loveless, dried up shells of human beings.
His comments were slightly at odds with his veiled criticism of the November lockdown decision but he’s always held fairly mainstream views.
his criticism was based on lockdown not being necessary because tiers were doing it. If he thought lockdowns were ‘necessary’ he’d want them.
Maybe some funding will be forthcoming
No costs? Oh. My. God!
Yes. It’s a stupid remark.
anyone tracking a sniffle is not to be trusted
I’m existing, but not living!
I’m trying to carry on as I was in 2019 and I won’t give up. Granted I think I’m losing family and friends but sod it! What matters is my dignity as a person.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2021/01/covid-19-a-realistic-approach-to-community-management/
That the Oxford/AZ ‘vaccine’ won’t work against any of the mutations is exactly what Prof. Clancy stated and forecasted in this excellent article.
Nor will likely any other vector vaccine, like the Russian one, work.
But then, neither they nor the, in that regard probably more efficient, mRNA ones are ‘vaccines’, but ‘experimental gene therapies’.
The one to focus and wait upon is the Novavax one and other traditional recombinant ones.
The Oxford/AZ one always was, is and will continue to be a dud.
One whose trial was misdesigned, mishandled/botched and whose data profile as a result is unreliable and still poor with regard to its efficiency and safety (see Sebastian Rushworth).
It’s a poor and only pseudo solution, solely pursued in Britain because it’s ‘British’.
(Not a uniquely British approach and problem, Germans currently rather want the ‘German’ aka Pfizer/BionTech one, although the Moderna one objectively seems to be better than it, see Rushworth’s review again, and although it’s unsuitable for half the population.)
The oxford brand is still very powerful in the uk and outside. No amount of scientific reasoning will stop many people from having faith in an oxford vaccine.
I knew it would be a disaster when I saw sarah gilbert being paraded on the front pages back in feb/march.
And it’ll do more harm for vaccine confidence than anything the WhatsApp groups can come up with.
Do you think some more propaganda and gaslightling will help get us back on track Mein Fuhrer?
I’d rather have a ‘dud’ AZ vaccine in my veins than an entirely experimental Pfizer one that has completely unknown consequences. I’m 65 with some additional risk factors – though basically robust – so on the cusp, as it were.
The dud vaccine means it will do you no good. It doesn’t mean that it will also do no harm.
I understand that. But any vaccine can do harm – it should be for the individual to judge relative risk. I didn’t bother to have the flu jab when I was 30 but I do have it now I’m 65.
I believe the FDA suspended the use of Moderna due to too many serious adverse reactions.
That the vaccine won’t work against mutant variations should be the least of the worries. The very real possibility of a potentially lethal reaction should a vaccinated person come into contact with a mutated version is the real danger but neither the media nor the government want to mention that for some reason.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ijcp.13795
I am a lockdown sceptic not a vaccine sceptic. If I was in my 70s or older I would have it. If I was under 40 I would leave it a fair few years. As someone in their 50s I am undecided.
What I do find a bit hard to compute is those commenters here who have been scathing of the over use of the precautionary principle when applied to mandating lockdowns but seem now to be applying that same principle to excess to the vaccines. We decried the flimsy evidence that masks or lockdowns work so we should be circumspect in how we respond to the studies into negative effects of vaccines against the benefits such as some of the frankly fanciful death rates in seeing.
I’m not an anti vaxxer. I’ve had all my jabs as a child and many to travel in Africa and Asia for work. I have concerns about the Covid vaccine but I’m open to the evidence and think we should make an effort not to fall pray to the confirmation bias we condemn in our opponents.
As someone at negligible risk of COVID I cannot reconcile the need for a vaccine. I will never be able to compute why I would need or want it.
For those over 65 I think you are correct that there is a debate to be had and we should try to remain objective.
Well, we’re a long way away from objectivity – not on here, but in the population at large.
Public discussion about coronavirus vaccines is taboo and wherever possible instantly shut down.
In the case of mandating lockdowns you have it completely back to front.
The precautionary principle dictates that to so completely disturb the normal functioning of society and economy in a way which had never been done before, was completely reckless.
This was proved true with the great loss of life caused by lockdowns.
As for ‘confirmation bias’ in regard to the ‘vacines’, we don’t have to prove anything. It is the task of the manufacturers to prove they are safe.
As a lockdown sceptic I am sure you are aware of the lies, the half-truths and the propaganda which have dominated the presentation of the official narrative.
Why do you think that was, and why do you think that should have stopped with regard to the vaccines.
I find your comment extraordinarily naive.
Question:
If a population has to be held hostage for 10 months to get them to take a ‘vaccine’, what does that tell you?
I am deeply sceptical of all the Covid vaccines (gene therapies), in particular because they have been sold since day one as the only possible route out of lockdowns and all associated restrictions, even when work on their development had supposedly only just commenced.
It is now becoming increasingly clear that restrictions are never going to be completely lifted regardless, so it could be argued that vaccine safety and efficacy data is irrelevant. For me the only question that remains is when will vaccination be mandated for the entire population.
I think you’ve got your reasoning a bit out of kilter here.
Like you, I’m not an ‘anti-vaxxer’, and am sceptical of over-use of the ‘precautionary principle’.
However, unlike you, – I am 70+ and in the ‘vulnerable’ category, and have decided not to have the vaccine. Why? On evidential grounds.
… simply because the testing has been ridiculously curtailed … and on the basis of a government paper that has an opening sentence that is a lie. There is simply not enough data to assess the safety or efficacy of any vaccine, and it is being promoted by massive political and financial interests that plainly are in opposition to real science. Additionally – my vulnerability makes me even more hesitant to absorb largely untested snake-oil.
Someone posted the Qcovid calculator yesterday. I think it’s quite interesting.
From that you can estimate the risk of dying in a 90 day period around the first wave in Spring 2020 with your data labelled as covid (so it’s the probability of getting covid and then dying from it).
It’s not its intended purpose, but with some assumptions you can argue that the risk that comes out is equivalent to or not greater than the risk of your death through covid being prevented by taking the experimental vaccine (that’s assuming you’ve not already had covid because the calculator seriously overstates your risk then I would suggest).
https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation
The typical risks that people in their 50s were reporting were around 1 in 10,000 of death.
You have to ask yourself the question are the potential harms of an experimental vaccine greater than that estimated risk.
I’m not telling anyone to take or not take the vaccine, but given that there are significant short term side affects (significantly more than any flu jab) and lots of potential long term risks because of the new technologies e.g. MRNA, it wouldn’t be illogical for most people to decide not to take the vaccine if they were properly informed.
I’m a reasonable healthy 52 year old and wont be having it. My father is in laet 70’s and has had first AZ jab and my mother, mid 70s hasn’t, choosing instead to waite and see – they are both healthy and don’t take any pharmaceutical products yet – they do take vit D daily (10000 iu).
I’m not anti vax and have had all the usual one off stuff. what bothers me is the deliberate denial of any treatments by the medical authorities that would have prevented the emergency licencing of these new ‘vaccines’ – allowing many shortcuts in usual safety trials.
anyone that claims these vaccines have been fully tested for safety is lying.
Its all a bit dishonest – imo furthering ‘vaccine’ technology has been the priority – saving lives has not, and this is criminal, and has been deadly.
great 4 min video about treatment in todays round-up…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=_aQebWzw_mo
Well as someone over 70 I am totally undecided whether to have the jab. I can certainly see the issues raised on here and it being rather a waste of time for what little it does. But there again if the side effects are minimal (certainly a big if) then there seems to be little point in refusing so you don’t get listed as a non-conformist by ones friends (and ex friends…). I seem to change my view every few minutes and no doubt will soon get the dreaded phone call and invite. Whatever, I agree with AWD, nobody in our little community should deride those who decide for whatever reason to conform.
“there seems to be little point in refusing so you don’t get listed as a non-conformist by ones friends (and ex friends…). “
There have been times and societies when nonconformity has been a moral obligation. We were not such a society, imo, 30 years ago. We are, imo, today.
“What I do find a bit hard to compute is those commenters here who have been scathing of the over use of the precautionary principle when applied to mandating lockdowns but seem now to be applying that same principle to excess to the vaccines.”
Two points arise, for me. This is not a balanced equation
First, consent and liberty are fundamental. The supposed “precautionary principle” as misapplied to rationalising imposing lockdown is being used to justify coercion on a massive and hugely intrusive scale. It cannot do so, or at most could only do so in the face of infinitely more credible and substantive threats than a respiratory virus..
Second, I would personally distinguish between action and inaction. Choosing to refrain from medication based on precaution is more easily justified imo than choosing to medicate on a supposedly similar basis. For me, all medication requires positive justification. First, do no harm.
I am 72 with no co morbidities and not on any medication. I won’t be having as there is scant evidence to date about its efficacy, long term effects and none of the evidence have been peer reviewed.
I am mostly in the same camp and can agree with much but not with everything you state here.
Back in April, I was still a believer in the vaccine solution, although my sister-in-law is mentally handicapped due to her smallpox vaccination in 1966.
But that was before any dissent was labelled a conspiracy theory, before the IMO even more suitable and viable treatment options were discarded and diffamated against rather than properly researched, and before the traditional process of development and definition of ‘vaccine’ was changed completely and any concerns about that squashed or ignored.
All of that by definition unscientific behaviour destroyed my trust into those involved and those ‘vaccines’ completely and for good.
If I can avoid it/discrimination, I’ll avoid it until my personal risk profile suggests I should get one- I am now more sceptical of the adjuvants and very sceptical of the herd immunity concept and the HIT myth (see Gatti, Montanari, CHD) too, and I do not believe that it is my duty to contribute towards it anymore at all, certainly not for that deindidualized, intolerant, freedom not valuing anymore mankind and youth.
If I can’t avoid it, I’ll still try to wait for as long as I can and until I can choose a traditional, more likely sensible and safe one, i.e. the recombinant ones like the Novavax one.
I haven’t and won’t advise anyone to have it or not though, I’ll just explain my reservations and argue that it’s up to anyone by themselves and that solely according to their own risk profiles and fear levels.
To me, that leaves mainly the 70-85 year olds for whom it currently makes an objective sense to get
‘vaccinated’ (above 85, see Norway).
Agreed… way too much hair on fire around here… certain posters are the mirror image of the most implacable lockdown zealots – some just as irrational, some just as nasty.
Just this second had through an email – as I’m on the relevant email list for this. Check out http://www.publicguardian.blog.gov.UK/2021/02/08/lasting-power-of-attorney-and-the-covid-vaccine/
It sent shivers down my spine – having been in the position of my erstwhile brother and his wife had POA over my parents until their recent deaths. Personally, I knew that erstwhile SIL would have decided my parents should have the vax anyway – thankfully they were spared that – as they died prior to that (from their own illnesses). But for anyone that is in that position still check that link out – because it includes saying “If the attorney…does not consent to the vaccine being given, the healthcare professional may consider that decision isn’t in the best interest of the individual. If so, the healthcare professional should seek legal advice……….”.
The duty placed on deputies is to act in the best interest of the individual that lacks capacity. It has always been the case that if there is disagreement over treatment then a case can be progressed to the Court of Protection for judgement. This makes sense as every case needs to be decided on its own merits, taking into account a number of factors to ensure actions are in the best interest of the individual and without any conflict of interest.
Once again, the MCA is the only legal avenue to the CoP for adults. They still have to prove lack of capacity for which there is a specific assessment. The founding principle is that everyone has a right to make their own decisions unless they reach a stage that they are unable to do so. This is underpinned by the principle that everyone has a right to make a ‘wrong’ decision – that being, a decision that others do not agree with.
They would have to use the Mental Capacity Act for that and prove a lack of capacity. A Best Interest Decision can only be made under this Act.
“Miracle in Singapore” – another misleading article.
It is hardly new information that government imposed measures are a minor issue in the incidence of Covid – although the management of the elderly population may have an effect.
What is known, however, is that latitude and climatic factors may be very inportant.
Thus comparing Singapore with European nations is plain dumb.
Are there sites with a consciousness of quality control such as to grow a consciousness rather than keep erasing to rewrite the same script in admittedly new variants?
Did Singapore see SARS? Might explain some existing immunity.
Climate official – We have to break your will
https://www.dailywire.com/news/massachusetts-climate-official-on-people-producing-emissions-we-have-to-break-your-will
They are watermelons. They want to control humanity like communists.
The official Soviet campaign inciting Red Army soldiers to rape German women used that kind of language.
“SHANGHAI, June 25 (Reuters) – China has nearly 250 gigawatts (GW) of coal-fired power now under development, more than the entire coal power capacity of the United States, a new study said on Thursday, casting doubt on the country’s commitments to cutting fossil fuel use.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/china-coal-idUSL4N2E20HS
China financing coal-fired power in Africa:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/business/africa-coal-energy-goldman-prize-dst-hnk-intl/index.html
Fosil fuels are going nowhere
“casting doubt on the country’s commitments to cutting fossil fuel use”
A classic case of English understatement!
I’ve long had my answer ready to anyone who has a go at me – “I’m the first of 2 children my parents had……got no children (by choice) myself and only buying a car soon (for the first time) because the public transport where I now am is awful. So – have a go at someone else matey – because I figure I’m doing my bit”.
ElizaP, are you me? Snap, and I do use this justification myself, note how all the virtue signallers have loads of kids and a couple of cars. Mind you, having not driven since 1996 I will need a few (unmasked) lessons when they start up again.
There is a feature of modern banking that reveals a feature of human consciousness in the intent to persist in conflicts of self contradiction, by repackaging the toxic debt into financial instruments that operate within regulated forms of currency and exchange.
This is also true as a pattern across the board, as a way of not resolving or addressing toxic consequence of lawless and dissociated intent and behaviours by ‘externalising’ liability to the lives of others and to the living environment as a whole, so as to persist in a claim of the right to repackage such harms to regulatory structures of both containment and participation of the living in their own sacrifice to systemic deceits that are asserted by the established order of protected investments of identity, status, privilege and controls taken for a driven private agenda masking as public partnering.
The financial or banking system, holds the key to corporate dependency on credit such as to frame corporate regulations under which corporate survival dictates participation and compliance in their own sacrifice to systemic subjection while imposing such to the living who are dependent and managed by their services.
The piling up of denial, debt and toxic conflict, is masked over by ever more sacrifice to controls that FEED upon the fears that are packaged in layers of evasion and accepted as social norms, regulatory protections and virtue masking compliance.
Another way to see this is where any conflict of hate and fear is not addressed but evaded and denied by the willing embrace of a panacea or magical solution. While there may be specific help for specific issues in the form of the solution, its use as a diversionary displacement for un-faced and unowned and therefore unresolved fear, operates AS a displacement ‘reality’ into which all the psychic-emotional patterns, will reappear through the forms of the ‘solution’ but as if new problems, requiring further ‘new solutions’. The lie or self-illusion, always requires more lies to protect it, and the cascade of which is the driven, but negative ‘Economy’ of feeding from and as the process of destruction as an anti-life agenda, under mask of virtue. But clearly and obviously hollow to the capacity to meet and share in love of life – excepting as framed in a clique of self gratifying exceptionalism, as a love of self-illusion given power over the living – including their true living being.
This post completes at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/repackaging-fear-into-systems-of.html
one, two, three – how many jabs do we need ?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/02/08/vaccine-minister-britons-may-need-third-shot-this-year-annual-vaccination/
Only death can prevent further jabs. The only constraint at the moment is supply
Notice that “annual boosters” is pluralised. I take this to mean that, as all the rabid “conspiracy theorists” have been saying for nearly a year, that the plan is for multiple mandatory shots every year in perpetuity. And no lifting of restrictions, ever.
Well the government have ordered over 400 million doses.
If Janssen is approved it’s once and done.
So, let me just check where we are:
It’s all coming together, isn’t it?
The transformation of society into a technocratic slave state is a foregone conclusion. The British people are broken and defeated. We are now in the process of going through the formalities.
Sadly you are right. We were easy targets though, being a high compliance society. Other countries take to the streets, and we just grumble.
We don’t even grumble anymore. A pathetic, sorry, empty shell of our former selves that will be reduced to total slavery and penury without so much as a whimper of resistance. Given how supine our compliance has been, I might add that this is thoroughly deserved.
I can’t believe I forgot to mention:
Depopulation by vaccine is much quicker, but too obvious if there is a sizeable section of unvaccinated refuseniks. Hence the all out drive to vaccinate, followed by coercion and then mandates.
It will be very interesting seeing what council tax will be hiked to. Mine has been going up by 2% every year for reasons not clear.
What if they double it to pay for Covidicy?
They have already allowed Councils to increase it by up to 5% this year.
They have been allowed in the last couple of years to increase it for social care mostly and the worthless PCC boondoggle.
Where are the drone strikes when you need them ?
PCP Set To Proceed Against Architects of COVID-1984 Scamdemic
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https://www.thebernician.net/pcp-set-to-proceed-against-architects-of-covid-1984-scamdemic/
Boyfriend’s university graduation has just been ‘postponed’. More like cancelled – last year’s cohort was also cancelled, so not sure how they’re going to get two years’ worth of graduates who have left university and gone into the job market (or lack thereof) back for a day a couple of years down the line. It won’t be the same. The whole point of graduation is that it happens at the end of university; it is a culmination and celebration of three years’ hard work.
So much has been taken from young people for so little. They are also expected to pick up the tab for this insanity. It is so cruel and psychotic that I don’t have the words to express my anger.
It’s horrific what’s been done to the young. I hate what’s happening with all my heart and soul but I’m 49 and have had quite an adventurous life, certainly in my twenties. Seeing my children confined like this makes me incandescent with rage and hatred.
So true. My generation were punks, football hooligans and latterly ravers, I wonder how they would have reacted to this? Come on young people, you have nothing to lose but your futures.
The first backlash against the system from the young will be university admissions this year. I expect the numbers to be considerably down. This might wake up the professors who have been enjoying their work from home comforts.
Professors? Worried about the economics of their institution? Not bloody likely.
If they are threatened with redundancy they’ll just throw a fit until Sunak prints them some money to keep the institutions and the jobs going.
From the admissions data I’ve seen so far, numbers are looking pretty good.
Yep, I have two kids starting uni this year and from what I gather, very few have been put off. Can’t say I envy them.
How about those lucrative foreign post-grads?
That’s true the Chinese in particular are big business for the universities.
…as long as they are not taught to exercise free speech!
I hope this will be the case. However young people have so few alternative options now that I fear they will get sucked into university by default. I got a job after A-levels and went to university a couple of years later when I had figured out what I was aiming for in the longer term. In my area in the 90s there were plenty of jobs to go around. What options do our school/college leavers have now?
I’d have thought trades would be up. Construction is in desperate need of skilled labour.
wish i’d been trained as a plumber.. If i have to wade through shit it would be nice to be getting paid for it
Don’t make gross airy assumptions parallel to those of Covidiots.
University staff as a body have not “been enjoying their work from home comforts”.
Write about what you know instead of fantasizing.
I know two professors who haven’t left the house since last March.
Both seem to be in good spirits.
“This might wake up the professors who have been enjoying their work from home comforts.”
can’t see where that statement alludes to the university staff as a body. I read it that it specifically refers to those professors who have been working from home and enjoying it .
There may well be lots of professors who hate the current situation .
However what Jhuntz says is not a gross airy assumption.
You do have a habit of quickly (and not always accurately) going for people who make a statement that does not tie in with your position or is off piste as far as you are concerned
You do also make a lot of good and interesting points though so keep that up!!!
Uni academics (which doesn’t mean all uni staff, you’re correct) are some of the most stereotypically middle-class, hardcore #FBPE, wokey lefties you’ll ever meet. I’m in no doubt that many (not all) of them have been enjoying themselves massively. (Apologies – am in an angry mood at the mo)
The opposite. No apprenticeships, no jobs. They will be high demand for education because there isn’t anything else.
Does he object?
Does he demonstrate or distribute leaflets etc.?
Does he refuse to muzzle up?
Thought not.
The young are completely into it.
As such, most of them fully deserve it.
I don’t muzzle up.
I have issued stickers however they have all since been peeled down. I personally don’t demonstrate or deliver leaflets as I don’t want to end up on social media and lose my job. As it stands I am a sell out to the system that seeks to enslave us. I would start to canvass more seriously if the population reached a critical mass against this, but we are nowhere near that.
Cancel culture, social media peer pressure have a lot to say for why we are in this mess.
This is a helluva machine we are fighting.
This is rude and not constructive. ‘Thought not’ – how can you think that when I have said nothing about my boyfriend’s propensity for scepticism. Most of us are not ‘completely into it’ at all – my entire friendship group is sceptical, and as for my bf, he very strongly objects.
I realise how important a graduation ceremony is, but I thought I just mention businesses whose sole job is to do graduations, gown hire, photos etc.
Something most people do not think of.
Very sad to hear that. They’ve found their university experience already truncated and now for the final insult they can’t even celebrate three years’ of hard work.
Won’t be surprised if the intake will be much lower this year and that even many already at uni will contemplate dropping out and take their chances with whatever jobs they can find. The universities themselves are sitting on a ticking time bomb (or even several), the only question now is what will explode first – financial black holes? court cases against them? The list goes on……
My uni has done the same – graduations set back to spring 2022. I’m staying on for a Master’s anyway so I’m hoping beyond hope that that goes ahead as usual in late 2022/early 2023.
Gah, I meant to XXX out the location. But fuck it, I’ve done it now.
Anyway, having now skimmed the comments it sadly seems that our village has several candidates for the role of chief idiot.
My husband mentioned at work the other day in conversation with colleagues that he would not get vaccinated. Then the conversation took a turn indicating that he would be guilty of the deaths of others. Someone on the radio on a phone-in also accused people who don’t get vaccinated of murder.
Am I missing something/being thick? Who is going to be in danger except those who have chosen, like him, not to be vaccinated – and therefore accept any risk that that involves?The only people who I can think of who might be justified in saying “you are putting me at risk” are those who would have liked to be vaccinated but have not been due to health reasons.
Exactly, if vaccination protects the recipient, then that person doesn’ have to worry about anyone else, whether vaccinated or not.
They are just regurgitating propaganda,
Masks don’t work – let’s claim that you need to wear them to protect others.
Vaccines don’t work…
“The only people who I can think of who might be justified in saying “you are putting me at risk” are those who would have liked to be vaccinated but have not been due to health reasons.”
That’s enough, for the zealots and for the brainwashed, to make you a murderer. Remember we are not dealing with reason here.
The Hyper-Rationality of Crowds: COVID-19 and the Cult of Anxiety
Imo the place to stand has to be that nobody was held personally responsible for deaths resulting from spreading of colds and ‘flus.
I am now perfectly OK with being considered a murderer of all those dumb sheep that do not value freedom and individualism.
The manufacturers of the vaccines don’t even claim that they stop transmission, so the accusation is devoid of logic.
But then again, what aspect of the lives we are now forced to live has any logic to it?
This is the media narrative – it’s false but since when has that ever stopped people.? These people are just missing the mass rallies and the right salute – they have no concept of freedom, no concept of individual rights or liberty because they were so happy to give theirs up because the Daily Mail told them to.
As below
Plus
This all goes back to the asymptomatic transmission lie and the non-exclusion of those who have already had Covid from being offered the vaccine.
Since March the advice from NHS/PHE has been if you show main symptoms of Covid (high temp, dry cough) then self-isolate and call doctor/111 if you have difficulty breathing. Now it includes anosmia and the isolation period is 10 days up from 7 originally. You have to have a test now for some reason. After 10 days even if you have a persistent cough you can go out as before.
He should stress that if he evidences any main Covid symptoms he will of course self-isolate for the 10 days then he will be safe enough to go out and also have natural immunity without a vaccine. He therefore isn’t going to be infecting these hypothetical victims being laid at his door. The NHS have always stated “For most people, COVID-19 will be a mild illness.” if they next try to play the “increasing the pressure on hospital beds” line.
If anyone tells me that, it may get violent. My reaction this far has been to say I make a point of not discussing medical details, and repeat that until they take the hint.
But if they want to accuse me of murder or that my kids should be vaccinated…I might just go off the reserve.
Just goes to show that they’re not confident of the whole thing and perhaps there are seeds of doubt at the back of their mind. Because if vaccines work then why should it matter that other people are vaccinated or not?
What a bunch of brainwashed jerks. If they look around them then will see quite clearly, with their own eyes, that there is no deadly virus or pandemic stalking this land. There is a seasonal respiratory virus no more no less. It is lethal for the 75yrs+ with two or more comorbid conditions and probably 12 months to live (quoting a GP who wrote an article above the line). The flu in other words.
Respiratory viruses are airborne therefore, transmission between human to human is not a major clinical issue as the virus finds its host(s) mainly in people with a weakened immune system. There is no transmission from surface to person either. Let’s face it, they need to open their eyes, we are not dealing with the bubonic plague here. If it was as deadly as they believe it to be then they would know at least 70 if not more people who had died or were gravely ill with it and around 20 relatives or family members. Shop workers, delivery drivers, health staff, transport personnel would all be dropping like flies. Mobile mortuaries would be deployed around cities and towns to deal with the chronic mortality rates (this being Tesco refrigerated lorries who the Government contract with for this service). The fact is, there are not many excess deaths to speak of and those that are, according to ONS figures I believe, suggest these are deaths at home or in care homes. The fact is, none of this is in evidence.
They need to either get educated about it or shut up. Your husband I hope, stood his ground!
I can’t remember exactly what he said he replied, but he’s doing his research, so that he’s more prepared next time. It’s easy to be caught off guard and not to know quite what to say to these people. Sometimes they say things that sound quite reasonable, and it’s only afterwards when you’ve had time to think that you realize that it wasn’t and what your reply should have been.
If health reasons were a valid reason not to be vaccinated, then nobody would get the needle. Your husband’s work colleagues are woefully ignorant morons and I thank the Lord that I am now retired.
seeing the state that the country is in if you people could up and move anywhere where would you go?
Florida?
Nice weather
A free US State like Florida or South Dakota. Sweden (just about). Belarus, Tanzania.
Nice weather in Florida but cheap property in Sweden!
Brazil, Nicaragua, Uruguay –
Brazil or Tanzania.
researching already.
I don’t much fancy Brazil and will have to look at Tanzania
How about Botswana?
Zanzibar looks lovely. It’s just the mossies that put me off.
somewhere with; warm sunny coastlines in summer, sunny ski slopes in the winter, great food and wine and no lockdowns, face nappies or people trying to stab me with untested chemical laden needles.
I may be shooting from the hip here, but that would appear to rule out Scotland.
The weather isn’t ideal and the federal govt being in the grip of mad Dems isn’t either, but from what I have seen South Dakota culturally seems to be the soundest – by culturally sound I don’t mean it is perfect but that the belief in personal freedom and responsibility is most profoundly ingrained
I hope Texas announces their secession and that others, incl. Florida, then join up with it.
Does it allow citizens to possess firearms? If yes, I think that would swing it for me.
Yes, without a permit, concealed or not
I would do a Branson….
Tristan da Cuhna
British citizens – no maskochists
My first response is somewhere warm. However, one of these days, I will inherit a croft in the North of Scotland – that may be a better bet however cold it is,
Utah. Been there on holiday three times in previous years – brilliant state. Scenic, lovely people, excellent climate….no lockdown!!!
Any lockdown free state but alas I have family here and I am not willing to take a shot every year. So stuck in GB.
Gates foundation grants:
https://twitter.com/original31313/status/1358687010009927682
why has Gates given the BBC $51million?
why does he throw money at main stream media outlets?
For propaganda purposes.
If you go to the website at the bottom of the image you can search the database to see what grants have been given.
I had a quick look and one example of a BBC grant is:
Grantee: BBC Media Action Year: 2019 Issue: “Water, Sanitation and Hygiene” Program: Global Growth & Opportunity Amount:$2,994,305
I didnt realise the BBC had problems with their water, sanitation and hygiene – but it does explain a few things – but we can be certain the money will not have bought influence because that would be wrong
There were also a few grants over the years to the BBC and WHO under the issue of “Global Health and Development Public Awareness and Analysis” as early as 2009
so when they do a news item “according to a study carried out by” it will almost certainly be Imperial College
They forgot GAVI, which wouldwide has received over $4.2bn according to the Gates Foundation site. The UK arm of GAVI of course headed by Neil “The Grim Reaper” Furgusson.
GAVI is something to do with constant world population vaccination – but I though Furgusson was a mathematician, and shit one at that…
Ferguson is the Acting Director of the Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium
https://www.vaccineimpact.org/resources/VIMC_orgchart_2019.pdf
Just thinking out loud here…
The way I see it, the main purpose for coughing and sneezing when we have an infection is to reduce the infection that is building up within us. If we didn’t release it would keep building up faster. The fact that it also potentially passes the infection onto others is secondary to the main purpose of ejecting it from our bodies.
Viral load is therefore the primary determinent of how severely an individual is affected. The body has multiple layers of protection, i.e. the skin, nose hairs, tonsils, innate and adaptive immunity plus others that I can’t think of right now.
We likely spend every moment of our lives getting infected with countless viruses that will rarely cause any issues. Our exposure to these keeps our immune system primed. It’s like the scene in The Princess Bride where the main protagonist, Westley, drinks some poison and reveals that he’s been building up his immunity to it by exposing himself to trace amounts every day for years.
In a recent review of occupations most affected by this virus the top few jobs involved lorry drivers, taxi drivers, cleaners and bouncers.
It is often claimed that the most risky occupations are those that involve mixing with high numbers of people. But this doesn’t explain why a lorry driver would be at higher risk of death. I surmised that these are generally occupations that have an increased risk to higher viral loads.
I suggest that it is not catching the virus that is the risk but rather how we deal with it after infection that is the greatest risk. An infected lorry driver sitting in an enclosed cabin for hours will build up their viral load. An infected security guard wearing a mask for hours will build up their viral load. A sick person lying in bed in an enclosed room will build up their viral load (if you’ve ever been drunk and woken up the next morning to a room stinking of alchohol you’ll have an idea of this effect).
That’s my general thinking on this for the moment. I’m sure I’ll have plenty of time to think it through a bit more.
I still maintain my belief that we’re looking at things completely wrongly and many of the actions taken rather counter intuitively make things worse not better.
There’s certainly an argument that spread at lower viral loads creates safer spread because it gives everyone a chance to fight it off before viral load of virus in the body is too high. And then when a higher viral load is encountered later your immune memory is able to deal with it easier. Lockdowns potentially push initial spread into higher viral load environments (e.g. care homes and hospitals).
Some studies on this, but evidence is weak. But high viral load transmission and/or absence of asymptomatic spread are good candidates to explain why lockdowns don’t seem to work at all in reducing direct covid death.
Higher death rate in lorry drivers may be because they have more sedentary lifestyles and are in poorer health/metabolic health. While the ONS adjusted for sex and age in comparing rates (age standardised mortality) they didn’t account (please correct me if wrong) for weight or metabolic health which are associated with the worse outcomes.
Do vit D, HCQ, Ivermectin, etc work against the variant mutants?
Yes. Always take HCQ with Zinc
Normally mutations decrease the virulence of a virus, however due to lockdowns / social isolation this process is slower
My understanding is that the treatments work against some of the extreme effects of the infection i.e. cytokinin storm and thus they would be effective against any mutant that gives those symptoms.
re the German ‘revelations’: here’s an excerpt from ‘Corona False Alarm?‘ by Drs. Karina Reiss & Sucharit Bhakdi, published in September 2020:
“…..It came to light in May, when a previously confidential document appeared on the website of theGerman Ministry of the Interior. The shocking contents confirmed circulating rumours. The document, dating to mid-March, was the minutes of a meeting of the coronavirus task-force. There one was astounded to learn that fear-mongering was the official agenda created to manage the epidemic. All the pieces of the puzzle then fell into place. Everything had been planned. The high numbers of infections were purposely reported because the numbers of deaths “would sound too trivial”. The central goal was to achieve a massive shock effect.Three examples are given how to stir up fears in a general population:
1) People should be scared by a detailed description of dying from Covid-19 as “slow drowning”. Imagining death through excruciating slow suffocation incites the most dread.
2) People should be told that children were a dangerous source of infection because they would unwittingly carry the deadly virus and kill their parents.
3) Warnings about alarming late consequences of SARS-COV-2 infections were to be scattered. Even though not formally proven to exist, they would frighten people. [Hello there Handbag!]
Altogether this strategy would enable all intended measures to be implemented with general acceptance by the public.”
This information is therefore not new; its been in the public domain for about 10 months. Young Jonny’s lazy repetitions of mainstream ‘news’ are beginning to bore us. We’re looking forward to his discovery of the SPI-B minutes from last March; should be any day now.
AG
What was new at the weekend was the degree of coordination between the Interior Ministry and the scientists which has now emerged, and that the government had already decided to introduce ‘preventative and repressive’ measures’, and told the scientists to cone up eith the justification.
The Minister for Health in Northern Ireland openly admitted they were fear mongering in July
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52988131
There is a disappointment that LD is not discussing the vaccine in a more interesting manner with different views, different angles.UK expecting many deaths after vaccine due to vaccinating many frails, versus discussion between statisticians about plausibility of deaths from vaccine,C-19 or other. Also a fascinating discussion why Israel, Gibraltar, Seychelles and UAE had so many infections and C-19 deaths after introducing vaccines, was it just bad luck with a raging new variant C-19 or other explanation?
I would find that debate more interesting than pontification about the vaccine campaign in UK.
To end this with a link pro vaccine in some aspects but not for universal vaccination
https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1358677659925045248
Carehome in Germany,Osnabruck
14 days after the second shot 14 seniors infected with C-19 UK variant.But nobody seriously ill,light symptoms many asymptomatic.
The vaccine works 2weeks after 2nd dose reduced symptoms as we hoped.But didn’t stop transmission.
Vaccine works but herd immunity through vaccination is not possible and indeed not necessary
The articles do seem to have become some what benign ATL.
They think it was brought in by staff, how else would they have the “british variant”?
Like Bodo Schiffmann recently said, if you look for something, you’ll find it. No-one looked for Sars until early 2020. When did they start frequencing the “virus”?
Fuellmilch recently told the public about a care home in Berlin where 31 residents got the jab, 7 died, at the time of talking to the press another person was dying. They are in talks with families and have alerted the police and on behalf of some families are starting legal procedures.
Thank God for good people such as Fuellmilch. We need many more with his conviction, passion and intellectual abilities.
The problem is the availability of reliable data.
I’ve had a few weeks off from visiting sceptical websites and media after concern from my husband that it was negatively affecting my mental health. I can conclude that I’ve certainly been feeling less low than I was at the start of the year. However, I can’t change my fundamental view that lockdowns are wrong, the experimental vaccines are worrying, and the government has sold us out to a wider agenda – and I find the MSM infuriating. I’m torn between keeping my sanity (having had clinical depression in the past) and wanting to keep my eyes wide open. I worry that I (and many people like me) will succumb to the propaganda just because it’s mentally easier to cope with than the truth.
“succumb to the propaganda just because it’s mentally easier to cope with than the truth”
The government are banking on this, and it is working. Once you have seen the lies there is no way of unseeing them, so all this does is intensify your humiliation. Accepting as true what you know to be false.
This often repeated quote from Theodore Dalrymple bears thinking about:
“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.“
Wonderful quote, thank you
That goes with the article in the DM today abdout the highly transmissable SA strain with the 147 cases. Obviously it’s not highly transmissable. The congnitive dissonance should be serious by now.
also not more dangerous that other variants
The WHO comprehensively refuted that it increased transmission or that it was any more lethal than that which we have at the moment. They cited the evidence provided by their tracking of these variants since September. So this really is one whopping big lie and shameless propaganda. The wheels really are coming off now if they have to resort to this idiocy.
This is how they’ve controlled people. One simple line in the mask guidance… “your covering should fit tightly over your face but you should be able to breathe normally.” Every single rational, thinking human being knows that this is a ridiculous statement. But they still put masks on their faces. Their basic function of making sense of the world has been hijacked. So now they believe anything about strains and untested vaccines and illegal parties being the reason we are not allowed out of lockdown.
Chloe – never let go of your rational mind and your integrity. They can NEVER take those from you, no matter what. So many are suffering. Step away from these sites for long periods to help your mental health. Focus on thing that make you happy – even the smallest things. And remember that so many people feel EXACTLY as you do.
Hear, hear!
Has anyone here read the Phillip K Dick book The Adjustment Team or seen the film of it The Adjustment Bureau? What you say CNC is starkly stated there. It urges people to stay true to themselves and never let the system take the one thing that is yours which is, as you say, your rational mind and your personality.
Now, I would say Phillip K Dick knows a thing or two about this as he spent a lot of his life in psychiatric hospitals with schizophrenia.
Absolutely. The bastards will never convince me that 2 + 2 = 5.
It is the MSM that is the main danger.
“I worry that I (and many people like me) will succumb to the propaganda just because it’s mentally easier to cope with than the truth.”
I keep rereading real mortality numbers etc just to remind myself of the truth.
Europe: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
Germany: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
Spain: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
Sweden: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
Yes. It is important to stick with the truth. Fear will keep prisoners hope will set them free.
Ridiculous nonsense is never easier to live with than the truth.
Yes, it is a strain to cope with reality and many shy away
I find sites like this helpful because they remind me I am not alone, but equally being reminded of the extent of the madness and evil may get you angrier or sadder than is healthy
As you’ve said, you can’t change your fundamental view, so you need not fear succumbing to the propaganda. I am sure that I would find it slightly easier to cope with my life being shut down if I believed that it was all for the greater good and absolutely necessary but that would never have been possible for me (or you, by the sound of it). Protect yourself in whatever way you need to – your eyes are already wide open and you definitely need your sanity for now and the future.
I definitely have found that people who have bought into the scam are not as depressed and down as I am. If you believe all the lies and truly believe we are fighting against a big threat then the horror of lockdown is not as strong. It is the very fact that I know the truth that makes the life I am now living seem all the more unbearable.
Stay totally away from the MSM, it’s not good for your physical or mental health.
How to destroy the case for lockdowns in one sentence.
“Mental anguish takes years from your life, so I am not locking down my family only for them to get depressed and anxious for the sake of preserving the life of an unknown 83 year old (average age of Covid death).”
Loneliness and Social Isolation Linked to Serious Health Conditions (cdc.gov)
If there was any doubt as to the moral case for ignoring lockdowns, then this reasoning destroys any vestiges of it. I will argue this with my Maker when the time comes and sleep well in my bed until then.
So, in the nearish future I will get the “call-up” for the magic juice. For several reasons I don’t want to take it, e.g:
In the short-term, I can easily reject the jab as not having it will not impact my life, but some time in the future I will be allowed to (and want to) travel and there is no doubt that vaccination will be required. The vac may well be required for even more basic activities such as restaurants and museums.
I want to stick to my principles and I know I will feel resentful and self-disgusted if I succumb to the blue pill / allow the alien pods to overcome me, but I also want to live my life with some normality.
I’m sure many here are wrestling with the same issues. Any thoughts?
there’s no rush, why not just wait and see, things may change.
There may even be a nasal spray vaccine coming along, don’t know how it works but does sound less worrying for anyone who would like this type of protection
I think that this will blow itself out. As we are being deluged with so much propaganda, fake news and industrial levels of censorship, the whole thing has become fraught with hysteria but it has a limit. I think signs are showing that the public have had enough and are now, not only bored, but beginning to see the truth, it is beginning to emerge. I see and hear a lot more people angry now and voicing more sceptical views than in recent times.
I think actually, the hysteria has almost reached saturation level, fewer and fewer people are paying attention now, especially in the under 65yrs. I think it will blow itself out sooner rather than later. It doesn’t look like that now but TBH, the Govt hasn’t really got much elsewhere to go with this. They’ve backed themselves into a one way street with little or no room for manouvre.
So, I agree, Philip F, just wait and bide your time, things will change it just doesn’t look that way at the moment but it will.
We can only hope for some excellent fake certificates on the dark web, or even eBay. Plenty to be earned.
Same.
Wait for a traditional, recombinant one, for as long as you can.
The Novavax seems to be the first one available in that category.
Possibly: rather try to get the traditional non-recombinant Chinese (Sinopharm) one before any mRNA/vector ones.
According to their website:
https://www.novavax.com/our-unique-technology#recombinant-nanoparticle-vaccine-technology
“Our recombinant nanoparticle vaccine technology combines the power and speed of genetic engineering to efficiently produce a new class of highly immunogenic particles that target a variety of viral pathogens.“
Dr. Judy Mikovits:
… the absurdity of giving a COVID-19 vaccine to healthy people who would already most likely have natural immunity.
So now you’re going to inject an agent, into every cell in the body. I just can’t even imagine a recipe for anything other than what I would consider mass murder on a scale where 50 million people will die in America from the vaccine.
If we don’t stop this now, we can not only forget our Republic and our freedom, but we can forget humanity, because we’ll be killed by this agenda.
What else will they add?
Recombinant is mRNA.
There will always be exceptions, people who simply can’t take the vaccine for whatever reason. I think you’ll be able to avoid it until it’s no longer a big thing any more.
I agree, Achilles. I think it will be a long time before we will be able to travel as we once did (if ever) and by that time the fuss will have died down. Those of us who neither want nor believe we need this medical intervention still have time on our side at the moment.
Allergies.
get them
I never thought I’d say this, but – I’m thankful for my allergies!
Got some!! Allergic to medical stitches, quite a few types of medical plasters and allergic rashes around the left eye (exacerbated if a mask is worn which it is not)!!
Yes, here too. I want to live again despite every part of me believing that none of this adds up. I believe there will be push back but not from within this cowed and spineless population – people will fight back but it will be, firstly, from somewhere like France or Italy and then hopefully our “elites” will run away.
About time we in this country got something moving. We have to stand under Common Law and take control away from the traitors who have usurped the levers of government.
Copenhagen this week.
I worry that the government will treat any new virus as lockdown until a vaccine. It will end in tears one day
Always make an informed decision before taking any vaccine or drug. If you are happy with the risks then go for it
The question is, “How can we evaluate the risks if there is no independent source of requisite information?” The ‘government’ will hide and deny the most serious incidents or deny that they are related to the vaccine.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, for instance, presents a very different perspective.
Me: No Scam-09 vaccine, no flu vaccines and no Scam-19 vaccine. “Freedom pass” no thank you, I’ll find my freedom elsewhere.
Well said.
I’ve got to my early sixties and have been lucky with my health. I have moved to a place I love, with the person I love and plan to be active outdoors for as long as possible. Neither of us is going to risk 10-20 years of hopefully good life to take a potion that has been engineered as the “solution” from day one (and now unsurprisingly isn’t the solution). I will not be coerced into it in exchange for being able to travel or any other “treats” which may be offered or withdrawn by our abusers. I see it as a trap. If it means social exclusion then so be it. Having said all that, it’s your decision obviously.
Our perspective on this has a lot to do with our age – being the same age as you, I agree. But it looks very different from a young’s person’s perspective, doesn’t it?
Completely agree – that’s why they are so keen to jab the younger adults (and kids eventually) even though they don’t need it in the first place!
Got my call, yesterday at 7pm, they are working hard or desperate. Told the very pleasant woman that no I was not going to have it yet, would wait until it wasnt ‘experimental’, she just said ok, will take your name off the list so you arent bothered again.
This is a fascinating article especially for all us asking how we stop what is happening, tell stories to help people wake up. Written in 2019 but is so very telling about the elite and how our lives are ruled.
Dissidents Must Understand The Difference Between Fact And Narrative – Caitlin Johnstone
interesting website, thanks
It is good, within its limitations.
“Russiagate didn’t gain traction because it’s factually accurate, it gained traction because it’s a scandalous story about the president of the United States conspiring with nefarious forces and being blackmailed over a night of water sports with Russian prostitutes.”
In part, but mostly because it was systematically pushed and protected by hugely powerful political, media and big tech factions, enabled by largely voluntary and unpaid zealotry on the part of countless Trump-derangement suffering activists, influencers and placemen. You can’t easily just buy that kind of effort.
“There are a lot of great alternative media outlets out there, and a lot of good dissident politicians and activists, but the problem they run into again and again is that they often stay calm and monotonous while repeating cold, hard facts. This is a problem because while they’re trying to calmly fight the status quo using raw data, the establishment is using sparkly narratives in all the right places. They’re appealing to emotions, they’re condensing their stories into catchy 20-second sound bytes, and they’re using facts only when facts help advance the narrative.”
The problem is that those using flashier methods either get no attention because they are intentionally not reported, or they get actively closed down as “fake news”. In the case of conservative sites, they are actually denied access to basic banking and internet facilities in order to silence them.
And the left fails to stand up for freedom of speech (from “racism” to “transphobia” and “covid denial”, because they don’t like conservatives and true dissidents being allowed to express their opinions in case they persuade people. Too stupid, seemingly, to understand that the hypocritical lies they once told about believing that “either we all have free speech or none of us do”, are actually vitally true.
The problems are a lot deeper than just naive activists not being creative enough..
Funny how journalists followed the herd even when being critical of it and completely ignored the facts that Russiagate was a hoax. And now Steele himself has admitted to it. You could see this from the night Trump won in 2016 that Podesta was spinning a Russian collusion story. People like Schiff browbeating people too. And what was all that? Horseshit. Just like this “domestic terrorist” stuff now.
The mountain of shit that has accumulated is in direct proportion to the debt mountain and the idea of QE. Easy credit and kicking the can.
Covid is just another chapter in the ruse.
Shame that in the past year she has done a complete about turn – completely pro-lockdown and pro-vaccine from the beginning, arrogantly slagging off other alt media for challenging the government and the MSM narrative.
Here is the original pdf of the document in the Welt article today of the German government’s fear tactics. It is translated into English
https://app.luminpdf.com/viewer/602077e2794f890012a5cfcc
Not all of it is translated. Could not select German text to have it translated.
The same scare tactics used here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52988131
Get the model to fit the play book
They always need to tediously signal their own virtue and their pursed-lipped disapproval of others’ free choices.
Yes. It’s a vile way to behave.
It’s attention seeking made worse by anti-social media.
If there’s one unsentimental group in society it’s insurance assessors. It will be interesting to see how life insurance premiums will reflect their quantification of the risks of covid, vaccines, etc.
Very good point.
If the ‘pandemic’ has no effect on premia, then we can safely assume there is no pandemic.
If you can’t insure yourself against vaccine damage, then we can safely assume that that is because vaccinations are too dangerous, or because the risk is impossible to calculate.
If you can insure yourself against vaccine damage, then premium and payut allow you to calculate the actuarially assessed risk precisely.
The real question is will life assurance companies load the premiums of the vaccinated or the unvaccinated?
I thought that area was largely inhabited by students from the theological college. Perhaps some of the CofE have seen the light after all?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf
Thanks for this information.
Hopefully TOBY & Team has seen this.
People to report and adverse reaction and then keep a print screen of what they reported for their records especially if they want to submit a claim against the government for vaccination damage
In Douglas Adam’s fifth volume in the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy trilogy, Mostly Harmless, The Perfectly Normal Beasts are animals which migrate on the planet Lamuella twice a year before vanishing completely. The beasts are called “Perfectly Normal” because otherwise their abrupt disappearance might be considered “a bit odd”.
What we seem to be experiencing at the moment is Perfectly Normal Fascism. We didn’t have it before, it appeared out of nowhere in March 2020, and the vast majority of people appear to find nothing strange in it whatsoever. Nationwide house arrest. Police thumping protesters for not wearing a mask. Leaving the country made illegal. Forced detention for anyone entering the country. Healthy children forbidden by law from associating with other healthy children. Serious discussions of vaccination passports. Every day brings yet another, perfectly benign, mundane and completely unexceptional instance of Perfectly Normal Fascism thundering across the plains. And very few people seem to find it even a little bit odd…
Will it ever disappear, though? That’s the part I’m not so sure about.
Yes, it will go. These things always seem permanent to those living through them.
I admire your optimism. In your opinion, how long do you think this new authoritarian system will last?
Until a new monetary system is in place.
Say 2025.
I think what we are seeing is a sociopolitical crisis caused by a now dysfunctional monetary system.
Almost certainly to be ended by hyperinflation/currency reset.
Popular revolt is very likely before then, as collapsing public finances cut the government’s ability to pay for furlough and essential public services off at the knees.
It will be a vicious circle with the UK being increasinlgly unable to afford imports after a certiain time.
In my opinion the authoritarian system now in place has been installed precisely to try and handle this process.
I find this argument interesting but don’t know enough economics to really grok it – essentially, in my limited understanding, the argument goes that the global financial system is irreparably broken and the powers that be (IMF, World Bank, ECB, Federal Reserve, hedge funds, WEF etc) need a new “Bretton Woods” to get the system working again. This is the true meaning of the Great Reset, just as there was a reset after the Second World War. The coronavirus “crisis” is being exploited to bring this about – firstly through deliberately crashing the economy, and secondly by creating a fog of war in which quite extraordinary and disruptive measures will be accepted by the populace as Perfectly Normal. The masks and the arbitrary social distancing and all the rest of the craziness are chiefly a way of psychologically demoralising and discombobulating the public so we will accept whatever comes next.
But what precisely does come next? And when will this happen? Will it happen gradually, or will there be some big bang moment when the governments of the world simply announce that there will be a huge change? What will the new monetary system actually mean for ordinary people?
And also – if the current global system is indeed completely broken and bankrupt, is there indeed any alternative to a great reset of some sort? What are the alternatives?
To what extent, do you think, is this actually a “conspiracy” (if I can use that loaded word) of powerful individuals? Do you think that Boris Johnson, for example, is consciously aware of all of this, or is he being played by the true global powers? Indeed, is anyone truly aware of what is really going on, in a conscious and calculating way, or is this process a manifestation of the hive mind of global capital. Less a conspiracy, more an impersonal movement of historical forces?
Are there any essays or talks that set all of this out in a way that a layman might try to get his little brain around?
Thank you – you said exactly what I’ve been thinking, and you asked the questions I wanted to ask. In other words, couldn’t have put it better myself!
When interest rates are near zero, at zero, or below, then your monetary system is finished. Time preference means that rationally interest rates must be positive, at least in nominal terms.
The latest point at which this can occur is when dollar interest rates go negative in nominal terms. At that point all commodities go into backwardation, meaning that futures prices are lower than current cash prices. This stands the financial system on its head.
I don’t think we’ll get that far, ecause at some point before that happens there will be a revulsion against holding currency or bonds, as it dawns on more and more people that the vast production of dollars, pounds and euros is not going to stop.
Perhaps we are seeing this already with commodities prices up 25% since March, although from a low base. China is now stockpiling commodities, grain prices are rising strongly and oil has ad its best start to the year since 1991 (KUwait crisis).
At some point there will be a flood out of financial assets into commodities.
Yes, masks and distancing are meant to make organized resistance more dificult and social control easier. As hyperinflation progresses I would export global trade to grind to a halt, as it would make it much too risky for suppliers to send goods, without knowing the real value of any payment they will receive by the time they get it.
This would have consequences particularly for the supply of essentil goods like food, fuel and medicine, and therefore for the maintenance of social order.
I can understand the use of the tem ‘conspiracy’, but try to use instead the word ‘plan’. Governments make plans to deal wth other disasters like floods and earthquakes, so why we should we be surprised if they have made plans for hyperinflation, either to deal with it, or to try and pre-empt it.
As for what comes after, like everyone else I expect digital currencies. These will probably be in addition to cash, although pronably with tight limits on the size of cash transactions.
Interesting stuff.
I’m thinking that this isn’t a ‘conspiracy’ in the classic sense of a planned event.
Although it may have been part planned in this way, I reckon that actually chaos has taken over after the 2009 collapse of the house of cards.
So ‘conspiracy’ theory circles back to overlapping strands of cock-up that are now out of control, despite some having overblown ego-tripping conspiracy ‘plans’.
Thanks so much – very interesting. Food for thought indeed. I think we happy few below the line all get that this is about more than the virus. But understanding what is really going on takes us into difficult territory – difficult to understand, difficult to accept. Lots of theories and we should share our ideas. I feel quite sure today that things are not going to go back to how they were, but I really don’t know how this is going to play out. If it wasn’t for my son I’d feel a certain grim frisson of excitement – at least it’s not going to be boring. But as it is, I chiefly feel worried about his future.
What is interesting is that all political parties are on board. Politicians from the Labour left to the Tory right.
This tells me that what is going on is of overriding importance, and they have all been told that something big is at stake.
I think probably only a few know tthe details.
This would also explain why virtually all countries are on board with the narrative.
Tobias Ellwood tweeted something very interesting at the end of May, remarking that the UK was now entering its biggest crisis since WW2. This, as covid numbers were slumping.
If you want to ger a handle on this I recommend reading Alasdair Macleod:
He posts his essays here once a week:
https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights
Other commenters on here have argued that the state will not be able to control the economic collapse. I am not so sure, they have ground us down to such an extent already that when widespread crushing levels of poverty really start to kick in people will be too demoralised and exhausted to do anything about it.
For what it’s worth I see this way of living being in place for at least a generation.
Oh I agree. I don’t think they will be able to control it, but they can see it coming and are going to try.
Yes it’s optimistic, but hopelessly misguided.
The globalists and their government minions who are working the Covid scam are now in it too deep to go out with just a whimper. They mean business and that business is depopulation, which is to be brought about by vaccination.
The sheep are now baring their arms with enthusiasm and the reward for their unthinking obedience will be an untimely death.
It will disappear once as soon as the proles decide enough is enough.
Yep. Me? I’d like to piss off with a ‘Thanks for all the fish.’
Maybe the government should have a new slogan, thinking of that book.
Stay in your home, don’t open your door and step out into the asylum.
Yes – good points. (I read a bit of Barthes, back in the day – an in-depth “Covid mythologies” analysis would be interesting!) Yes, “the old normal” was also a myth – a set of arbitrary customs and practices and beliefs. But it was one that most of us felt comfortable with, and which we wanted to replicate, because much of it (for all of its imperfections) worked reasonably well. It’s remarkable how quickly it has been dismantled and replaced with something new. Living through this is a traumatic experience – and the zealots must surely feel this way, too, but perhaps their coping mechanism is identification with the tyranny (a kind of Stockholm syndrome?)
I must say, the energy in the comments section today is palpable. I haven’t seen the anger (rationally expressed) in so many responses as I have today. I am not a regular commenter but I am a regular reader. This energy needs to be used for the good that is intended by the content of the comments. I feel like I belong, but I know none of you!!!
I totally agree. This site keeps me sane and lets me know that I am not alone. The majority of my family think that I have lost the plot, but I do know that I would rather be on this side of the fence even if it can sometimes feel a lonely place to be.
he can’t have been too worried about covid himself as he swanned off to barbados on holiday
Fear = stress = impaired immune system = more illness = more deaths
Have the Government, their mind warping scientists and the media, with their relentless fear mongering, committed crimes against the British people?
I’ve concluded its deliberately done to harm us whilst pretending they care!
well with all those behavioural scientists on hand there a certainly no acceptable excuses of ignorance
+ locked away from sunshine + no exercise = second wave
Anyone remember the old volunteers who came forward to deal with the Fukushima disaster? Nearly a decade ago now.
Japan pensioners volunteer to tackle nuclear crisis – BBC News
Not much of this spirit evident amid the Covid panic.
Am not trying to create a generational divide here, but why aren’t the older cohort publicly stepping up and saying “Don’t do this in my name”.
Instead we have just celebrated the life one of their member who has institutionalised the response!!
It has been a feature of the last year that has dismayed me. I like to think if I get to 83 (average age of Covid death) I won’t demand anyone sacrifices their futures for me.
“I like to think if I get to 83 (average age of Covid death) I won’t demand anyone sacrifices their futures for me.”
Wise words!
I would go further – I won’t demand anyone sacrifices their futures for me, at any age.
I don’t want anyone to sacrifice their human rights or liberties for my welfare. I am quite prepared to look after my own health and if by chance I contract this ‘ virus’ I will avoid the NHS at all costs.
Fair. And in fact, not having lockdowns is hardly as risky to the elderly as getting irradiated in a damaged nuclear reactor…
I’ve had to walk away from conversation with a couple of elderly family members.
They’re so fucking terrified they expect the youngsters to have their futures destroyed to make them feel safer. I said you’ve had your life think about your grandchildren for a change. Any longer and I’d have probably caused a major rift.
I understand them being terrified but they refuse to look at any evidence except the govt and BBC
“… why aren’t the older cohort publicly stepping up and saying “Don’t do this in my name”.
Actually, if you get out of your bubble, you will see that many of us are – not least here.
I had a row with a younger member of my family yesterday who was trying to get me to take the snake-oil. One of the arguments was that ‘People like us have been enduring lockdowns for people like you.’
… which was the point at which I blew a gasket – although I didn’t retaliate with the obvious :
“And it’s complicity like yours which has kept the government’s nonsense going.”
Another 2000 plus jobs lost, merely registers now with the scum in government running the show.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55977587
Just heard an ‘expert’ on the radio. Came out with a euphemism which I suspect we shall hear more of. He was asked about the increasing risk of more and more businesses becoming insolvent. His response was that many businesses “may well have to rework their business models”. In other words the fault lies with them if they are unable to get themselves out of a financial mess created by the government.
Disgusting.
Yes, like pubs having to rework their business model to exclude alcohol sales.
The government and MSM blaming the people and making them pay for everything is not as much of an outrageous injustice as it first looks. Collectively we bent over backwards to comply without resistance. It is a mark of our hopeless naivete and wilful ignorance that we believed this would turn out any other way.
Remind me: Weren’t they crying out last June for everyone to get back to work in the cities because the coffee houses were all dying because of lack of customers.
In effect, by banning sale of alcohol in pubs, they potential increased the competition to those coffee houses well over 100%, even with the few pubs that would bother opening.
So much for caring for the small high street retailers.
Reminds me of the time during the 80’s when one comedian said “Unemployment is a rumour spread by those who don’t have a job”
Yuckspeak. Workers are no longer made redundant, they are ‘impacted’ or ‘offered an opportunity to pursue their career elsewhere’. Same with business. If you’re small and independent you don’t count, even when governed by the supposed ‘party of small business’.
I heard some lunatic Green woman on the radio a couple of years back tell a plasterer who was asking how he could carry his gear on the tube that he needed to “rethink his mindset.”
Yes, didn’t the Chancellor say something like this, quite a few months back – something to the effect that many businesses: Weddings, much of Hospitality, would have to function in a totally digital fashion.(good luck with that!?)
Well, we’ll have Virtual Reality…
When I worked in engineering, I once spent some time doing quite complex calculations (OK, the computer did the donkey work) and produced some graphical figures. Later the project engineer decided to look at different running conditions and asked me to “rework the figures”. It was all part of the job, but it was a weaselly way of saying “do all your calculations again”!
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0208/1195763-politics-economy/
Irish Government warned that the money will run out.
It was posted yesterday that Nick Rose (LDS name) had recently died. The few comments can be found yesterday if you search yesterdays posts. It would be helpful if someone who knew him could confirm this. I write this because if true it would be nice to offer our condolences in some way. What do others think?
Someone called Gill posted the other day that he had died. I think Annie knew him as well.
Thanks for the reply.
I’ve met him, but I can’t say I knew him.
I was looking forward to walking some hills with him in the spring. I hope Heaven has good hills for hill walkers.
Don’t be too quick to assume that Nick died of Covid. I reckon the jury is still out.
I apologise, Annie, if I was presumptuous.
Here is Gill’s post with the sad news
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/02/05/latest-news-276/#comment-398564
Nick and I had recently started a relationship and I’m in touch with his parents. Just waiting to hear about the funeral arrangements.
Sorry for your loss Gill. I missed your post telling us of the sad news. There are so many lovely words written in the comments.
As well as Nick, there are quite a few former regulars who we have not heard about for some time. Rosie for example, and the chap whose business partner committed suicide. Some may have left due to losing interest in LS or similar reasons, but regulars who just disappear without trace is always worrying.
Thankyou Gill for keeping us updated on Nick, his loss will hit us here for a very long time.
So, regarding the ‘vaccines’ being rolled out, which have been ‘approved’ but not ‘licensed’. Does anyone know if the plan is for them to ever be licensed in the normal way, e.g. when the Phase III trials are actually complete? And if they are, will the manufacturers’ indemnification then expire, or will they be indemnified for ever?
All vaccines are indemnified by the state – because they are so dangerous that not only must the public bear the risk, but the public must also bear the cost when things go wrong.
I will repeat that all vaccines are biblically unclean, and that this new mRNA vaccine is actually gene therapy.
Why are they gene therapy? Genuine question btw.
Reverse transcriptases can, and almost certainly will, albeit at a rather low level, ‘backwards’ translate the mRNA into DNA and thence may end up with some incorporated into your nuclear DNA (should you accept the Pfizer jab of course – and I wonder if they will start incorporating it into those blue diamond-shaped pills [just pondering for a friend])..
Straight from the horse’s mouth, Moderna – “Recognizing the broad potential of mRNA science, we set out to create an mRNA technology platform that functions very much like an operating system on a computer. It is designed so that it can plug and play interchangeably with different programs.”
Plug & play. like your body is treated like a USB stick!
https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development
I think the FDA suspended the Moderna vaccine.
This is the start of trans-humanism. This is what the likes of Klaus Shwab want to do to humanity, to change it for ever…and destroy it.
Its nice to have snow. I can pretend we are snowed in rather than under government coercion.
Agree. We can relieve the Beast from the East from 3 years ago.
The year when 130,000 people sadlidied in the UK by the end of February. You must remember the doom and panic at the time?
Took me a while – but ‘sadly died’, I presume!
Try nearlydied as well for Covid “survivors”.
Yep, I saw it on here, Karenovirus or Annie I think
Improper use! Only covvies sadlidie.
The rest can kick the bucket, push up the daisies, pass on, pass away, shuffle off the mortal coil, snuff it, breathe their last, turn up their toes, or become ex-parrots, but never sadlidie.
Yes I remember the death count – are we to expect a resultant sudden increase in Covid deaths this time round?
Perhaps if the govt had spent some of their spaffed furlough money on ensuring that those in fuel poverty could afford to keep warm, we wouldn’t see such a pronounced effect. Maybe even a few lives could be saved…
Nope, none of all this is about saving lives.
Back on the subject of vaccines, if the DM readers comments on the article below are in any way representative, what comes through very strongly is the freedom of choice issue. Top rated comment regarding this actually comes from someone who will take the jab!
’Jab for a job’ is LEGAL: Ministers believe companies that force their staff to get the Covid vaccine in order to work would be protected by health and safety laws’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9235025/Bosses-legally-demand-staff-vaccinated-against-Covid-health-safety-laws.html
Best rated
Despite being someone who will accept the jab, along with all other vaccinations I am offered… I find this scary, where is our autonomy? Our freedom of choice? 3775 upticks
Worst rated
Of course you should be able to sack somebody who refuses the jab they are putting others lives at risk. 301 downticks
If they do this they will have to apply it to every other vaccine available surely? How else does it make sense?
It doesn’t make sense, but then again, Covid-19 is the ‘special one’
Considering there is no indemnity from the vaccine companies, will employers take responsibility if one of their employees has serious side effects, after taking the forced upon them vaccine?
The different opinions support group
Seems bizarrely either self-deprecating or unselfaware that this was broadcast on the BBC, of all places, but I suppose that’s down to Ullman rather than the Corporation.
In any case, defund the BBC.
So funny that 750,000 over 75s refusing to start paying the BBC TV licence
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0208/1195680-covid-ireland/
Headline: Motorists turned back amid cross border travel measures
So much for keeping an open border on the island of Ireland. Irish passport holders in NI blocked from entering the Republic of Ireland.
It always going to be as such. Strange that I don’t see the Ra making a fuss.
Also strange how the CTA has been ignored
I am sure I recall Simon Coveney repeatedly asserting that the border in the island of Ireland had to remain open; that this was essential and a matter of international law.
Exactly.
Politicians never change, even through the generations. They destroy, if not in wars, they find something else. Now the destruction of society by vaccine, its pathetic. No wonder they need body guards for the rest of their lives.
A load of new signs have appeared in my home town. So even though you’re perfectly healthy you still need to be scared and get tested.
Does anyone else have signs like this, or is it just a waste of my council tax.
Nice to see that our scientifically illiterate politicians are spending our money to find out if healthy people are in fact ill.
Absolutely shocking
standard communication that all the councils are told to issue. Mine just puts it on internet and weekly emails. I dont think they are wasting money on posters, but then i dont get out much!!!
Play Your Part has to be one of the most infantile slogans they’ve come up with yet. It’s nursery level language, perhaps used to encourage very young children to tidy up their stuff or put litter in the bin.
The next one will be ‘its your own time your wasting’
That sounds like the one ‘Your Country Needs You’, from many years ago. Or the lottery ‘It could be you’.
Good, let’s put Bozo and the rest of the litter in the bin.
It’s what bad actors say.
I haven’t seen any yet but they must be getting desparate to get the numbers up doing this.
I was thinking about a complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority..
But I guess that ‘1 in 1,000,000’ counts as ‘Up to 1/3’
My aunt lives in that area, they appear to have gone full covid, she can’t go out now as she likes to walk/sit/walk, but the seats are all taped up. They are lunatics, if you asked them to present a good argument for the trash they are doing there would be silence.
This makes me seethe with anger (nothing unusual there these days). An older lady wanting to get some exercise, which is good for her health and immune system, can’t have a sit down to rest her legs before she continues on!. I was just going to write what i would like to do with all the collaborators, but it would make me sound like a psycopath.
Totally agree that she should do that but she is nervous about doing anything, and I dont live near her so can’t get involved which I would love to do. I feel the same, most days ready to explode.
Take the tape off. I have RA and I needed to sit down on a taped-up town bench, so I yanked the stupid tape off. Nothing happened.
They can’t even use correct grammar.
Had adverts appearing in the local village booklet thing that they sometimes distribute. Have fired off complaints to the council asking if they can remotely justify the figure, or if they’re simply spreading dangerous conspiracy theories… probably won’t get a straight answer but hey-ho. My council is Tory dominated & the Lib Dems are making themselves seen with their literature, clearly smelling blood & looking for ammo at election time…
Around these parts, we haven’t got anything like this at all and never have had. I don’t think we even have a testing station(s).
We have similar here, Kent. And the local testing is being ramped up.
Oh don’t worry, we’ve had similar in our town centre…with NHS staff (so they said!) handing out leaflets, a couple of months ago. So they’re so bloody overwhelmed in the NHS they can stand on the street handing out bits of paper? Mind you, this was a like a red rag to a bull for Mr Hancart. He went over to one of them to ask questions. At first she came out with all the usual tropes until he started giving her facts and figures and all she could say over and over “…but its all the deaths!” She couldn’t answer a single question. That was the last time we saw them in town!
Also on numerous radio adverts today. It’s a flat out lie. Anti-scientific propaganda.
You would think by now that they would know that their “afternoon” press conferences just inspire dread and utter loathing from the general population..
Mengele Hancock and “The man from Glaxo” to appear, yet, again on our screens.
“Vaccines vaccines vaccines vaccines. Thank you.”
More like, “I, Matthew Hancock, have single handedly invented the vaccine, saved the world from this deadly disease and therefore require your complete and never ending adulation until the end of time.
Oh, but the vaccine won’t actually work against new variants, so sorry folks, you’re still banged up. BUT I’M STILL AMAZING!!”
Got Wancock down to a T there! He who said in a TV interview: “After all, I’ve got a global pandemic to manage”
Six feet of earth is all he’s going to have to manage when justice catches up with him.
Unfortunately I think some people look forward to them and wait with bated breath for their every pronouncement.
Doubtless they’re going to tell us how the vaccines won’t work on the scary new variants, so we need to stay locked down until Autumn when they will have been updated (but guess what, come Autumn there will be yet another new variant requiring yet another update, etc etc).
I was just laughing (very sardonically) at the BBC headlines (that I accidentally caught
), stating that Johnson has pronounced the Oxford vaccine safe and effective.
In my head was an alternative headline :
“Relax! A notorious liar has said that the vaccine is safe.”
Of course, Johnson is a world leading scientist and considered to be an expert on these issues.
It’ll either be encouraging people that the AZ vaccine is fine and effective or that lockdown cannot be eased because of the data surrounding the SA variant and the vaccine.
Or both…
The truth is I don’t give a damn what Mengele and Unbalanced are going to say, I don’t watch them, not any of them. Whatever it is, it will continue to blame the British public for everything. Wancock is really drunk on power now. His fall will be spectaculor.
Apology if already posted. Latest video fro Rachel Elnaugh- her explanation of what might be going on: https://odysee.com/@RachelElnaugh:7/the-great-coronavirus-swindle:1
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1358757717402415107?s=20
Sorry but I am feeling particularly fucking angry today. Perhaps because it’s Monday and another long week of What Fresh Hell is there today begins?
Also had a response from the email I sent to the school last week – usual tripe about keeping safe, blah blah.
Had a long rant with my Dad this morning. He is in his early 70’s, in construction, has his own small business, employs maybe 15 people, two of which are my brothers. He has never stopped working, out on site, refuses point blank to wear a mask. From the off has said he is not scared of a virus or even a vaccination, but is shit-scared of what the government is doing.
Construction etc is still allowed (allowed!) to continue but he had a call this morning from a crane supplier essentially begging for work. They have all of these cranes that have to be paid for but there is about 20% of work going ahead. This is Central London by the way.
We are both increasingly of the opinion that to destroy society and the economy like this there has to be an agenda. And that agenda is about control. I don’t even think this is a huge, intellectual leap to take. It’s becoming clearer every single every day that this trundles on.
But they are building all these massive housing estates on green belt outside major towns up and down the nation. Mainly 3/4 bed luxury developments – who the f*** is going to buy them ?
Is it about dispersal? Away from the cities? The atomised, work from home agenda.
The UN’s agenda is to have everyone in cities, while the ‘elites’ get to enjoy the countryside and trips abroad.
Correct.
The controllers want the proles urbanized and completely dependent on UBI that will be tied to lifelong vaccination on a weekly basis.
Indeed – Central London is a special case…
Where I am in the sticks, estate agents have never been busier than over the last 6 months.
A quid says the stamp duty holiday will be extended for another 6 months, BTW.
“who the f*** is going to buy them ?”
Yeltsin’s ‘Chosen Ones’, ie wealthy Triad crooks from Hong Kong, by the looks of it!
Agree with you totally. My Occam’s shaver always steers away from ‘conspiracy’ pimples if possible – but as time has gone on, it has been harder and harder to place all the blame on incompetence.
HCQ was removed from over-the-counter shelves in FEBRURY last year, so we are still seeing the plan as it is being rolled out.
Always sensible to employ one’s brain rather than O’s shaver, Rick.
Video update from Luc:
https://t.me/THEGREATREOPENING/76952
Too big to Tweet – have to view in Telegram.
not on telegram. not joining anything that makes you hand over your phone number.
Someone will have to put it on YT or Poopchute.
Zoe app very late. I have a feeling he has been got at.
they didn’t update at all yesterday – unless the numbers are identical
I’ve heard some people say Tim Spector’s comments saying we’ll never have normality again has gone down poorly with the ZOE app. Some people say any trace of his involvement in the app has been removed and the app saw thousands of people uninstalling it after his comments which might be affecting its data collection.
Might just be wishful thinking though and there is another cause entirely
yes, I have been a supporter but will uninstall if he carries on like this
I’m not sure the average user would be as discerning as that. I bet 99% of them think Tim Spector is a bond villain.
Isn’t he?
A comment on his Twitter thread:
Have used the app since day 1 and thought you were more positive. What you have been reported to have said today is appalling. No regard for people in entertainment industry, people with weddings planned etc. Awful and thought you were better.
Also
Experts have warned that restrictions on large gatherings could remain in place for “the next few years.” Did you actually say this? You are telling people to go against human nature. We are social creatures & thrive on physical/social interactions. How could you?
and
You are taking away people’s hope. Once the over 60s and high risk are vaccinated(including the obese), what is the reasoning for constant physical distancing + masks for years? This virus is mild for the majority.
and
You claim these measures “cost nothing”. Please explain that to those whose job relies on large gatherings, ie theaters, festivals, exhibitions, weddings, conferences, horse racing, concerts, airlines, cruises, parties and on. All these industries would fall if you had your way.
You get the idea.
Completely understand this reaction. However, regardless of his personal views the data from his app has been helpful to the cause thus far and it would be a shame if a relatively independent source of info disappeared, imo.
That is my concern. The independence of the Zoe app is a life saver.
Yes, I agree.
yes. turns out he is another health fascist. he thinks human rights are a ‘nice to have’ as long as he has hit some arbitrary targets on his spreadsheet. a dangerous lunatic
Mrs Tenchy works in a school. She can – for it is voluntary – test herself twice a week for the Lab flu. She did the first one over the weekend (negative). Guess where the test kits are made?
The seventh level of Hell?
Spot on! China.
Matt Hancock’s next door neighbour?!
Right alongside the face knickers. Talk about a goldmine.
UK terrorism threat level lowered to ‘substantial’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55982743
I don’t know – I would classify the government terrorism campaign a little stronger than “substantial”.
Been wondering what happened to all the terrorists ?
How is the SA variant getting on in the UK these days? Not heard much about it since last week so I’m guessing it hasn’t exploded as predicted?
Pronanly a bit too chilly here for the South African variant.
Beware the Siberian variant.
There have been 147 cases and they are very busy telling us that it’s far more transmissable, which is clear untrue. Cognitive dissonance
Weren’t there about 143 this time last week? So an increase of 4?!
I still haven’t met anyone who had the original one, never mind the latest one
Same here
Priti Patel expelled it due to lack of appropriate visa.
It then snuck back in on a floating door and was given the keys to a hotel room
Bit like the predicted “500,000” deaths last year and the “4,000” predicted PER DAY (!) this winter, during the “second wave” (are we still “waving” or are we drowning now?) Of course daddy pig government will say this has been averted because of all the measures aka rules, restrictions, diktats, fines, threats…oh and “advice” that they kindly put in place “for the greater good” of all. Be grateful, minions, it could have been much worse, you know!
Tweet from Gabor Erdosi with a link to an interesting T cell paper
The majority of antigens recognized by T cells fall outside the spike protein, while the vast majority is non-RBD. Natural immunity is therefore much broader than that triggered by vaccines, and the effect of spike mutations is predicted to be smaller
https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1358726785433796609
Wonder if the British Society for Immunology will update their briefing note to perhaps more accurately reflect the significant benefits of natural immunity over vaccine mediated immunity. I suspect not
It has been known for a long while that cross recognition of coronaviruses by the human immune system is pretty robust
Just not helpful to the narrative
If you’d said to me last year we would currently be talking about:
Whether it was “safe” for children to go to school (the “safe” applying ENTIRELY to the paranoia of teachers).
Whether you could get away with visiting your mum without being stopped and fined by police.
Whether UK pubs would ever open again.
Whether vaccine passports could be a “thing”.
Whether it would ever be “legal” to go abroad on holiday again.
Whether you could face the abuse you get for walking into a shop without a mask.
Whether it was safe for children to be looking at screens for about 6 hours a day 5 days a week.
Whether we are technically still lived in a democracy (given parliament is not sitting in person, protesting is banned and petition debates are suspended).
Keep writing to your MPs. Write, call, pester. Post on BBC comments, not here… get your voice heard!
Whether you could get fined £10,000 for starting a snowball fight.
Whether a policeman could punch a Polish cafe owner in the face for cooking someone breakfast to make the money to feed his family…
Re the Oxford Vacc, Johnson being “confident” in anything does not give confidence to most.
Lockdown being the “nuclear option” springs to mind when this c*** is concerned.
its only 3 weeks to flatten the curve
The curve quickly became a circle…
Jesus wept.
And very arrogant and presumptuous to think that we owe Captain Tom and the NHS. We don’t, the NHS exists to serve us not the other way around.
As for Captain Tom his good intentions were hijacked for propaganda purposes. He’s had a good run, let him rest in peace.
Reuters has just carried a story about Covid-19 vaccines being yearly, requiring boosters … yawn.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine-bo-idUSKBN2A70A9
But Zahawi has some balls stating why he thinks vaccine passports won’t be introduced.
As some nations consider a vaccine passport to enable the easing of travel measures, Zahawi said Britain would not introduce such a system but people could seek proof from their doctor if needed.
“That’s not how we do things in the UK. We do them by consent,” he said. “We yet don’t know what the impact of vaccines on transmission is and it would be discriminatory.”
“Consent”?? “CONSENT??” Go fuck yourself, dood, what country have you been living in for the past 10 months?
Any ‘vaccine’ that needs to injections and then a booster does not work – it is a good thing that our immune systems work smooch better provided that people have the right nutrients
Thought I’d share this with you from my MP.
Jo also asked me to draw your attention to yesterday’s interview between Andrew Marr and Nadhim Zahawi, the Minister for Vaccinations. Mr Zahawi confirmed that the government has ruled out plans to issue so-called “vaccine passports” to enable people who have had the jab against coronavirus to travel abroad. He said there were several reasons why vaccine passports would not be introduced, not least because the vaccine was not mandatory in the UK.
The BBC report of the interview states: “Mr Zahawi said vaccine passports would be “discriminatory” and it wasn’t clear what impact they would have on transmission of the virus. He said people could talk to their doctor if they needed written evidence to travel.”
Jo hopes that this information reassures you of the Government’s intentions. End of message.
I think what is very important here the word is ‘discriminatory ” it’s a very important word that people who want to get their own way have used in the past. It’s a word we should now be using with regard to experimental vaccines.
Dogs and cats with symptoms to be tested for Covid in Seoul Pet cats and dogs with a fever, cough or breathing difficulties will be offered coronavirus tests if they have been exposed to carriers, the Seoul metropolitan government said Monday.
Cue. Brains working overtime at chez Whitty, Hancock and Valance.
Pretty confident my dogs would both decline a test, if offered.
Granddaughters have a Spoodle called Willow who would happily eat anything including a test kit
That’s one way to get a throat swab, although it might be combined with the Chinese test method by the time you get the swab back.
They also said “At the moment, there are no known cases of pets passing the coronavirus to humans. The probability of this is considered low.” – Err, so why are they doing this?
Look at the leaked Canada document with the timetable for the pandemic regarding the reasoning for the ultimate removal of pets from the home on the grounds of them spreading the ‘virus’
The document where almost nothing it has said has come to pass? And from the version I have seen, it says nothing of pets.
Carrie would not allow that, what about Dylan. If this is true, that is really sick.
Au contraire. Carrie will sacrifice Dylan as an example to the masses. The Queen will also sacrifice her least favourite Corgi.
The Lockdownistas would march their pets into the glue factory if they were advised to
In fact
I might start the rumour
I’m all for this if it gets some of the poorly-trained, ill-mannered pit bulls off the trails and out of the parks.
Don’t take it out on the animals. Any animals
Not even the collaborating sheep?
No, I know what you mean, Annie.
Except wasps.
Fuck wasps.
I know a vegan who is a rabid lockdowner and I think she’s probably brainwashed enough to sacrifice her beloved pets if she thinks it will “help”.
Well at least she wouldn’t eat them.
They really can’t let people have anything that may give a little pleasure or comfort can they.
No friends or family to visit.
No social life in pubs cafes or restaurants.
No entertainment outside such as concerts cinema, theatre.
No sports or hobbies that involve mixing with others.
No shopping apart from food shops with muzzles on (just in case you may enjoy a few seconds of conversation with another human being).
No holidays.
And what do you have left? Screens, food and alcohol. But maybe you have a pet that gives you a tiny bit of joy and something to live for. No, you can’t have that, far too dangerous.
I say fuck your safetyism, life means that eventually you die. You can take all the drugs available, all the vaccines, have all the medical interventions but it’s still gonna happen. Do you want to exist in a box for the rest of your life for as long as possible or live it to the full for less time?
I think we on LS know what we want. Let the rest stay in their boxes for as long as they wish and set the rest of us free.
Yep, sounds good to me.
Ah, you meant pharmaceuticals …
Correct, the other drugs are difficult to obtain of late.
Dr. Robert Salata, Director of University Hospitals Roe Green Center for Travel Medicine & Global Health in Cleveland, disclosed that Pfizer took 14 days to get to 52% completion at preventing the deadly virus.
The lead investigator for the Pfizer vaccine at his hospital further clarified that the vaccine is not 100% authentic so people can still test positive even after vaccination.
What does not authentic mean?????
Dr. William Schaffner, an Infectious Disease Specialist maintains that his team is working on a clearer picture of the situation.
He said, “The information is less clear whether the vaccines will prevent the virus from infecting us and we can remain without symptoms. That’s still under study.”
https://thestreetjournal.org/2021/02/experts-explain-why-people-can-test-positive-after-covid-19-vaccination/
Insofar as these things suppress symptoms but not infection they increase the number of ‘asymptomatics’, strengthening the narrative.
Just look what they’ve done – we are to be replaced by cardboard cut outs – this is supposedly the new normal – anyone who uses the word normal in this context must be insane. Ozzy f…..n Osbourne!!!!!
BBC: Over in the US, the Super Bowl has shown the world what the new normal looks like for sporting events.
Coronavirus protocols placed limits on the number of spectators allowed to watch last night’s championship game in person.
At first glance, the Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida, appears worryingly full, considering we’re in the middle of a pandemic.
But there were only about 25,000 people in the 65,000-capacity stadium, which included 7,500 vaccinated health workers.
The numbers were made up by some 30,000 cardboard cutouts, including celebrity faces such as Ozzy Osbourne and Billie Eilish.
It’s a good job cardboard isn’t flammable.
What an atmosphere.
This is what it must be like at an Arsenal game
Zing!
People actually paid $100 to have their likeness on a cut-out and enter a raffle for tickets to next year’s Super Bowl.
You cannot be serious!
I am completely serious:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/super-bowl-2021-audience-cardboard-cutouts
Billie Eyelash would take up 2 seats
“Worryingly full.”
Shut up. Just shut up. Hypochondriac, big girl’s blouse, pansy talk.
I thought Florida had lifted all restrictions?
cardboard cutouts of fans have been in place in UK football grounds since last season.
Was Ozzy’s accompanied by a cardboard cutout of a bat?
The last time a pharma company manufactured a product that was forced on a population was some time ago. It didn’t go well for the patients, but eventually those who organised the administration of the product met the same fate, and the company was subsequently broken up. IG Farben should be a warning to those in our government thinking along the same lines and think they’re untouchable.
I wouldn’t regard IG Farben as a “pharma company”: its nearest British equivalent would have been the old ICI.
IG Farben was split into BASF, Hoechst and Bayer. The last of these was the Pharma bit.
So, IG Farben was really ICI + Glaxo, so to speak.
Yep and Bayer are still going strong in the pharma industry. As are AGFA and BASF in their respective fields.
Ah, I just checked and ICI did have a pharma bit too: it’s now the “Zeneca” of AstraZeneca.
I am concerned that increasingly LS seems to be slipping into the vaccine fly trap by focussing so much on news stories about Covid vaccines in essentially an uncritical manner. A sceptical site should be stressing that 99.8% of the population don’t need a vaccine to not die from Covid 19, that the vaccines can cause ill health, that vaccination will not end the lockdown lunacy/mask madness, that mass vaccination for respiratory diseases will invite in novel pathogens and that Big Pharma and its allies in government have shown absolutely no interest in facilitating the use of readily available cheap treatments and preventatives (Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and weight loss).
I fear that you’re right.
Instead of picking up vaccine stories from the MSM, LS could usefully present clear neutral data about the safety and efficacy of the various vaccines – as far as the limited period of experimentation allows.
Of particular interest is :
Also, there needs to be critical examination of the ‘ninja variant’ stories in terms of the scientific basis – and any other hares that are set running.
Indeed. LS could look at all sorts of things e.g. why adverse reaction reports in the UK seem to be treated as a state secret, in contrast to other countries and whether there is a culture in the NHS of discouraging such reports (as I suspect). LS could report on the Israeli experience following mass vaccination of all its most vulnerable people – distinctly not in line with the MSM narrative of success and euphoria, with the R rate recently rising above 1 again. LS could look into whether vaccination can trigger positive results in Covid 19 testing – I heard one pathologist suggest it could but have heard nothing more in the MSM. Can it? This is a crucial question that needs to be covered. Since the Pfizer vaccine gets the body to create virus “spikes” that are similar to Covid spikes, this seems quite possible.
There was a chap who posted here under the name of Nick Rose who I understand was very fit and under 60 who sadly died from Covid. He would probably have fitted the 99.8% who you would never have thought needed it. If he’d had the vaccine then maybe he would have survived. I think that this site should remain a lockdown sceptic site and not become a vaccine sceptic site.
Oh dear! How do you start addressing addled thought like this.
I take it you will be refusing to travel by car because this might prevent a fatal accident?
Young fit healthy people die of influenza every year
Also Hcov-oc43 is implicated in many deaths every year
Outliers will always exist
I see, you want a site which contains only people who agree with you on everything? the ‘scepticism’ part ranges from mild doubts to absolute horror and full-on opposition; some are more against lockdowns than they are vaccines, or vice versa. you are free to just scroll past the posts that don’t speak to you; it’s what everyone else does. feel free also to start your own site.
We are and must remain a Broad Church.
WE MUST NOT BE DIVIDED AND CONQUERED.
I’m all in favour of a broad church. It’s not really about the efficacy or safety of vaccines, it’s about what happens if we adopt the MSM narrative on vaccination – if you get drawn into the logic, you get drawn into the logic which is: this is a deadly virus, so lockdowns, deprivation of liberty and masking are necessary until a fully effective vaccination programme is put in place. It’s a very dangerous path for a spectical outfit to go down.
People pushing the broad church narrative only dilute the anti lockdown narrative as you spell out.
Next autumn we will likely be told that the vaccines don’t offer protection against the latest new variant and then we will be back on the lockdown/vaccination treadmill once again.
Fingerache Phil has already given up his arm to the vaccinators and his utterances have to be read with that in mind.
The clue is in Lockdown Sceptics- not Vaccine Sceptics . I’ve been here pretty well since the site started and been as sceptical of lockdowns as the next one. But if this is the way the site is going. I’m out of here .
As Steve Hayes points out, arfur, these are not vaccines.
They are untested RNA-modifying treatments.
This may be crunch time for some lockdown sceptics and especially for those whose scepticism can’t be allowed to impinge on their faith in the ultimate goodness of all vaccines.
The Covid event has always been about vaccines. The lockdowns and other restrictions have always been there as a way of conditioning people into acceptance of the need for vaccination.
The true purpose of the vaccines can only be guessed at, though we do know, that they have very little to do with the prevention or transmission of Covid-19, whatever it actually is.
Your lockdown scepticism is obviously no match for your cognitive dissonance, when it comes to the hardly tested liability free experimental vaccines for an infection that has a 99.98% survival rate.
Well surely we’re sceptical about everything until proven wrong, especially emegerency vaccines produced in these circumstances where there is mass hysteria and deception
I don’t recall this site ever stating an opinion on vaccines, the comments section is full of free spirits & a few 77th brigade. Whats written BTL is called free speech, technically uninfluenced by the sites administration..
Indeed. I’m not asking for LS to be anti-vax, just not to follow the MSM narrative. Why isn’t LS reporting on the Israeli experience? After their huge vaccination programme, with just about all their vulnerable people – over 2 million – having received the vaccine second and first shots their R rate (according to Times of Israel) went back over 1!!! The problem with following the MSM narrative is you end up following the lockdown logic – implicit in obsessing about vaccination is the idea that vaccination will free us from lockdown. Nothing could be further from the truth. Trying to replace natural immunity with continuing mass vaccination will simply prolong the agony.
My take on this site is perhaps controversial, but i’ll stick my neck out.
I’ve got great respect & admiration for Toby Young & what he’s trying to do to defend free speech.
But he’s a middle class liberal, he is the very definition of the establishment. Fully invested in the system, he’s not looking to rock the boat just gently alter its course.
It’s true I think since others have been employed to write for the site, its lost its raison d’être & lost its way a little!
Maybe they’ve been got at or warned to tone it down. But I suspect Toby Young is pro vax.
But hey its still probably one of the few places you can criticise covid19 response without censorship. There’s off-g but its full of socialists lowering the tone LOL.
We know nothing about this guy, do we. How do you know him? Was he obese? Did he have serious co-morbities? Did he have poor hygiene? Oddly it seems a lot of people here do know who he was.
All I could find about any Nick Rose being mourned was this from 2017:
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Nickrosefuneralfund
Coincidence?
you seem to be ignorant of the safe cheap treatments that many excellent doctors are using to great effect
For a start they are not vaccinating the 50-55s yet.
Forget vaccines for a moment. How about if he’d have had easy access to HCQ/Zinc/AZT and Ivermectin because over the last year these had become the standard treatment so available from any pharmacist instead of ignored and covertly prevented by the Government? How about the NCS had bothered to come out and help him with an oxygen tank and a trip to hospital?
Criticising Lockdown Sceptics for discussing the so called vaccines in an acritical manner is rather ironic when one acritically reproduces the notion that these products are vaccines. https://dailysceptic.org/2021/02/08/latest-news-279/#comment-402713
Total red herring but I gave you the dictionary definition. Take it up with the dictionary not me. It’s you who claims a vaccine can only be made from an attenuated form of the causative agent relating to the disease the vaccine is targetting.
There absolutely should be a focus on fact-checking and debunking media claims about the vaxxes, because it’s obvious that many of those claims are utterly false attempts to gaslight the public.
I take as read politicians & the media are liars.
It’s the only unassailable argument. And at the same time the lease persuasive.
There is absolutely no arguing against the proposition that I value freedom above all else and I am willing to take on extra risk for it.
And yet it is the least convincing argument.
But still, I agree, this should ultimately be the argument.
Amen to that, my opposition to lockdown is very simple, no one has the right to take my freedom for their safety. Other peoples lives are not my responsibility or vice versa. I really don’t give a toss what the statisticians say.
Just under 4m “cases” (we know this include false positives and people tested on multiple occasions). There would need to be 13m in the UK with “severe” problems for it to be 20%.
Have faith in our wonderful government, I’m sure things will be back to normal as soon as a vaccine for the Martian variant of C19 is rolled out.
Looks like we could be in Lockdown La La Land for the long term!
’Boris Johnson refuses to rule out making lockdown LONGER if South African variant continues to spread – but insists all vaccines being used should protect against death amid fears Oxford’s jab doesn’t work on mutant strain
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9220267/UK-faces-restrictions-South-African-Covid-variant-continues-spread-SAGE-scientist-warns.html
Yes the 147 cases of the SA strain should be reason to keep the lockdown going. It’s psreading so fast there have been 147 cases since OCTOBER! They don’t see the cognitive dissonance. They just don’t seem to be able to stop this propaganda.
Agree, but looks like they are crapping themselves about the apparent lack of efficacy of the Oxford vaccine in South Africa. Sky news has the storyCOVID-19: Shape-shifting coronavirus is knocking the confidence of scientists
http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-shape-shifting-coronavirus-is-knocking-the-confidence-of-scientists-12212424
Actually, it’s part of the gradual introduction of zero-covid.
Start with one of the variants, claim success and extend to all other variants.
Best thing about it is that you can claim victory over a variant any time you like because, who’s going to really know except for a couple of pesky scientists here or there who can be cancelled with a snap of the fingers.
I’m hoping they claim victory over a variant as an ‘out’. Save face and quietly change course.
Me too, zero-covid doesn’t bear thinking about. Mind you, it could be seen as being politically expedient – bastards!
Dream on. I hear the argument that governments are just looking for a face saving way out. I’m afraid this is just not the case. If it was they could have taken any number of exit routes along the way.
Unfortunately the forces that pushed the government into draconian measures are still there: a media hell bent on scaring the crap out of everyone, scientists presenting worst case scenarios, a population braying for government protection, a political opposition just waiting to pounce and start calling the government murderers.
It’s all still there.
Only two things change the dynamic. Economic collapse. The braying masses start braying for normality.
That’s it.
Totally agree. They could all have declared victory in the summer, stopped resting, stopped the constant propaganda and they would have largely gotten away with it. Instead they did the opposite, ramped up the testing, kept up the rhetoric and added more and more restrictions.
Yes, I fear that you’re right, though I think it was hard for governments to pull out of this last spring/summer because I don’t think they fully understood how bad the PCR test actually is. Now it should be clear, just as it should be clear that the increase in ‘cases’ was just the normal winter resurgence of a respiratory virus, though perhaps somewhat worse than normal in England.
I hope that the apparent leak from Sunak indicates that he is ready to resign on grounds of shifting goalposts….and the unmitigated economic disaster that will result from never getting out of this. It sounds like there are many Tory MPs who want out and will lose patience in another month or so. They need to demand Bozo’s resignation and get Sunak in there.
I know many here don’t like or trust Sunak, but I think he’s our only hope at this point. If things continue like this for much longer, there really will be large-scale violence and economic chaos. People may not believe it, thinking that because British people have put up with it so long, they will keep on like this indefinitely. One thing I have noticed as an immigrant to this country is that while most British people will put up with a lot, they do have a breaking point, and once that is reached, they explode. I really think this will get truly ugly if government policy doesn’t change soon.
Granted, they haven’t taken a face saving way out so far, but there still may come a point when their readiness to do so, and a passing opportunity converge.
I agree.
And would add that standardizing the PCR test down to a meaningful ct of under 30 would also have done that trick for them, as the media would have played along and the masses wouldn’t have gotten it anyway.
The fact that they are still not doing it, despite the WHO’s door opening (same on lockdowns) doesn’t bode well for their true intentions and the final result.
Another thing that might end it, and probably the only one that could be speedy, is millions of vaccine deaths.
Barring that, it’s the MMT induced hyperinflation, leading to state bankrupcies in the form of
currency resets, followed by depressions and wealth confiscations that will end this.
But don’t expect the average Covidian, let alone one of their leaders, to change their minds then, that would be a first.
Zero covid is a terrible idea – it will do such untold harm to people’s health, immune system, the economy and everything that goes with measures of well being like having a social life. I suspect you’re right though. It will also suit UN Agenda 21/2030
Simply buying time till the 22nd when he reveals his route map of lockdown. Until then any alternative views ie Yeadon are suppressed.
Do you find yourself losing respect for people you know and to whom you are close? I look at friends and family, at how they’ve capitulated to these sociopathic criminals and their evil decrees, at how they’re surrendered their freedoms, their livelihoods, their children’s future, their dignity and the dignity of our elders to a bunch of third-rate scientists and politicians, and I increasingly feel nothing but sheer disgust.
To top it all off, putting the brick on top of the chimney, many of these people for whom I once had nothing but respect have the audacity to engage in sententious moralising whenever they see someone ‘breaking the rules’! One friend was aghast when I told him to have a day off from polishing his halo after he excitedly told me how he and his missus called someone out in a petrol station for not wearing a face covering. He assumed he’d get a high five. I asked him if he or his missus stopped to ask themselves if the person had a medical/health condition preventing them from being able to wear a face covering. ‘Well, no.’ Indeed. Why in this unthinking, absurd age would they ask themselves such a question?
Moreover, my pointing this (and some other issues) out had no discernible effect with regard to his attitude. This is a good mate of mine, and he disgusts me.
Some might say, ‘Well, perhaps those on the other side have lost respect for *you*. Perhaps they feel that *they’re* in the right.’ Fair point. Then we have to ask which side is asking questions, which side is challenging assumptions, and which side is swerving these things? When I try to discuss this with friends and family I’m met with either an angry refusal even to discuss it (which in itself is fascinating and very telling – cultists usually act this way) or the parroting of fallacious Government talking points (which again is quite cultish). Either way, I am invariably met with irrationality.
I do not want to feel this level of disgust for friends and loved ones. It is important to try and remember the good in people. But it’s hard when these same people are complicit in a monstrous evil.
The short answer is yes, but I simply have nothing further to do with them.
There was a moment when it could have gone either way with my mother, but thankfully it went the right way after I gave her something to think about.
I find the only way to handle it is to see such individuals as suffering from the psychological assault of a massive brainwashing operation that has deprived them of their reason, and distance yourself from the imposed ideas rather than the individuals.
… i.e. see them as victims rather than perpetrators. Getting into alternative virtue-signalling isn’t at all helpful in my experience.
But sometimes remaining calm is hard. I did a ‘phone slam yesterday
It is so cult-like. People has literally lost the ability to even remember. We’ve been trying to keep on an even keel with our neighbours as we really are good friends with them despite our very different views. We’ve been saying since last March that this crap is not going to go away any day soon, and they kept saying “oh, it’ll blow over soon!” Now they’re saying in shocked tones “this is going to go on for at least the next year!” We said nothing at all, we just raised our eyebrows, and looked pointedly at them….
I agree, though there are some with whom I have lost patience – people who I know are highly educated, intelligent, politically aware, have reasonable knowledge of history, who I think thought of me as someone whose views were worth considering, in good mental health, who simply refuse to enagage with me and have a debate on the arguments.
I really struggle to Rick the only way I can remain polite is by having lost all faith in humanity. Once I expect absolutely nothing of them there position is reasonable and understandable.
Were I to expect better of them I find myself incandescent with rage at their appeal to propaganda and ignorance to review alternative facts in a world full of information.
Who’s suggesting ‘alternative virtue-signalling’?
I think he might have been being rhetorical.
No, he’s abusing terms again. It’s what he does.
To an extent I agree.
We are as a society under unprecedented psychological assault from media and government, and we are being manipulated like never before. We must never lose sight of this.
To expect most people to be able to resist it is asking too much.
However, when push comes to shove, if their ‘energy’ is making your life cumulatively intolerable, and they know that and they don’t fix it, you have to shut them out.
This is exactly what I have to try to do.
Yes, all the time. I have lost 2 friends , both I have known over 25 years because THEY realized I’m a fiercely anti lockdown, mask, social engineering etc…There is just no talking too them anymore. One said he was ashamed he was my friend and his wife told him not to associate with dangerous people like me. The irony here being that I introduced them as she used to be somebody I was casually seeing.. I’m also forbiden to talk on my wife’s family WhatsApp group as I apparently upset the people with my sceptic thinking and becasue I said that anybody who comes to my house will NOT wear a mask gloves or any that nonsense and will shake my hand or fuck off…Apparently I’m unreasonable….So yes, that is completely normal in my book welcome to the sane group of people.
Yes, and institutions as well, and even my formerly beloved town centre, now hideous with closed shops and threatening notices.
Most British town-centres need nuking from space.
It’d make sense to look at the way things have gone in lots of smaller European towns where the ‘town centre’ has almost ceased to exist – it’s just another residential area with more than the usual number of shops – change the planning classification, replace the shop frontages, sell as houses/flats.
Given the current pressure on commercial property, it seems inevitable, but for our antiquated planning system and the paleolithic retards in charge of local planning.
Certainly it’d make more sense than giving charity shops, betting shops and Greggs free rein.
Look up pictures of the Nuremberg Rally – see the crowds and the troops and remember that these people who are so keen to enforce the rules are not different from those who attended.
Yes. This hasn’t actually ended any friendships – but (a) when I talk to friends I keep my views on lockdown to myself, which you might think is cowardly (and it is) but I simply can’t face the hassle when it feels like arguing with a brick wall; and (b) I increasingly don’t want to talk to people who I know are on board with all this because it gets me down. So I am becoming even more of a misanthropic reclusive introvert than I was before, and that’s saying something. A friend phoned up the other evening for a chat, which was nice… until he starting banging on about Captain Tom this and the sainted NHS that and saying that we’ll probably have to “lock down” every year from now on (he seemed perfectly happy with the idea – it’s basically just the way things are now). I just wanted the conversation to end at that point. Similar story with family – mainly wittering on about when they are going to get their vaccine. Whatever. It doesn’t at all interest me, but I feign interest, so as not to rock the boat I suppose.
I have only had one really substantive discussion about lockdown with a friend, a very senior lawyer (politically left-leaning), in which I chiefly argued that the extraordinary measures were disproportionate – especially given that their efficacy is unproven and that there is a strong case to suggest that less intrusive measures may easily achieve similar results (look at Sweden, Florida etc). He didn’t really want to engage with the detail of what I put forward, and he didn’t seem particularly well informed – just parroted the government statistics, and implied that SAGE’s advice should always be followed to the letter. Everything he said was based on the core assumption that lockdowns work, and that even harder and longer lockdowns would, of course, work even better. His arguments were blustering and evasive, and boiled down in the end to pointing out that most people didn’t feel the way I did, and that I was therefore an eccentric outlier. I wasn’t actually persuaded by anything he said, but somehow I still ended the conversation feeling like I was the weird crank who had fallen down the rabbit hole, and he was the reasonable, sensible, caring moderate.
I don’t feel disgust, exactly, just a sense of deep alienation from people I used to feel I had many things in common with.
Very eloquently described, I am very much in the same boat.
Lawyers by there very definition have a way with words, it doesn’t make your friend right though.
Personally, I’ve always been the outlier crank conservative within my group and I’m quite happy to be as I’d hate to be part of the herd right now.
No absolutely. I don’t actually think he was right. But it’s interesting that I doubted myself all the same, and felt on the back foot, and am now very wary of putting across my opinion – as if what I’m saying is somehow unwholesome and perverse. Even though I do feel I have solid arguments and evidence on my side. The other side’s view is the acceptable mainstream. Swimming against the tide takes effort, and is exhausting.
Lawyers by their very definition are pompous blowhards who love themselves in general and the braying of their own voices in particular.
I understand completely. I have periods where I feel worn out from it all, and become very depressed. We have truth on our side, but we are up against very cultish attitudes and behaviour.
As you note, your lawyer friend simply assumes the efficacy of lockdown. I see this everywhere. It simply ‘must’ work, right? Obvious, innit! That’s why we hear so many people bemoaning the fact that we didn’t implement lockdown sooner. The assumed efficacy of lockdown is utterly question-begging and irrational, yet it has become a societal meme, widely and uncritically imitated to a staggering degree.
His appeal to the majority is laughable, and is a complete cop-out. It’s a substitute for argumentation.
If the Covid Cult brainwashing intensifies as I expect it to then it will not be long before being known as a sceptic will become dangerous. This is the perfect self-policing totalitarian system. No one can be trusted, not even close family and friends.
Think the self-policing ruse is called Reflexive Law.
I’ve felt that too, I’ve stopped talking with quite a few of people over this, that angry refusal and/or script parroting is very familiar.
I have discarded 2/3rds of my acquaintances and friends after having unsuccessfully tried to provoke them into thinking.
With a third, I am trying to stay on good terms and am therefore more or less neutral in our conversations, as they all know where I stand (2 or 3 are sceptics, fortunately that now includes the missus).
The ones I have lost all respect for are the (all very c*cksure) dentists, doctors and surgeons I know.
How can you take anyone of them seriously anymore, if they think masks work and lockdowns are great and both have no negative side effects or costs?!
And that is before their utter cluelessness about the alternative, prophylactic treatments and the vaccines, which doesn’t prevent them from toeing the party line, of course.
It’s mainly been a liberating experience but then, for me, hell is
other people, certainly since March.
All dentists aren’t……well, all right; the vast majority of them are.
a lot of people unhappy about Tim Spector saying ‘masks and social distancing can go on forever because they are no cost’
he seemed much more level headed before he had his vaccine 3 weeks ago
I wonder if its related? Has anyone else noticed any friends or family turning into autistic anti-human health fascists since their Pfizer jab?
It could be just confirmation bias again. Once you’ve had a jab, you’ve committed yourself to the narrative.
On the other hand once you’ve had a jab you expect something in return.
You get to virtue signal could there be any greater reward?
My parents are still lockdown-sceptical. But it’s only been a week. I will monitor closely for any signs of a drift.
My parents got jabbed last week. My mum was a lockdown zealot before. God knows what this will do to her
I take it there’s no chance that now she thinks she is ‘safe’ she will stop expecting everyone else to sacrifice their present and future?
We know the vaccine doesn’t prevent anyone catching ‘it’, or transmitting ‘it’.
It must do something.
Didn’t I read somewhere on here last week that he was having trouble getting funding?
I believe that was for his proposed ‘long-Covid’ study. Some funding decisions are good ones, it seems.
Well, though they are somewhat bought into the coronanarrative I think the Zoe thing has been done with a pretty straight bat – compared to others like ICL, SAGE
He’s an utter cunt, that Snowdon bloke, isn’t he ?
Just weak-minded, I think.
I agree with that Mark I have been saying for a while on here that he is weak and always sounded it even when he did oppose lockdown.
Sounding off in publlc, if he is that weak-minded, amounts to the same thing.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1358692329385828352
I hope what Lozza actually means is that the lockdown is having a devastating impact.
We all need to choose our language carefully.
He’s directly quoting from the DM article. But yes, he could/should have pointed out what the article gets wrong in that quotation, as you say.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1358688463592304641
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.Any adverse reactions from the vaccine should be reported on the Yellow Card Scheme
Then maybe will be able to claim from government compensation scheme in future – could be a tough fight though
I have read so many people say that they suffered various side effects ‘only’ lasting a couple of days. They weren’t worried because they were told it would be a ‘normal’ and ‘expected’ reaction by vaccinators. I bet these people are not reporting the side effects although they should do.
Some light relief. A royal lectures on slavery.
Daily Mail: Pregnant Princess Eugenie appears in anti-slavery charity video call.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9236545/Pregnant-Princess-Eugenie-makes-glamorous-appearance.html
Thanks to the person who compiled the Spotify playlist – looking forward to listening to it all
Good man and I wish him the best of luck and will donate to his fund when it’s set up. It comes to something though (and tells you a lot about how cowed the British people have become) when we are relying on these brave immigrants to defend our way of life. I’m so bloody angry at my fellow citizens these days.
“Because all you have to do is hypnotise the majority and you’re there.” Very good. And sadly the magic recipe has been found, at a time when we were susceptible due to various long terms trends.
I like to post on DM online after a couple of glasses of wine, just for something to do and to relieve some Lockdown tension.
I posted this last night on the “Don’t Panic – COVID 19 Injection” article:
A very serious question. I really do not want any experimental vaccine going into my body, but if I was forced to have it due to the COVID vaccine Passport, which is the best one to take? I prefer one that will not kill me or make me ill or land me up in hospital or give me side effects that may come out in later years. I am a 61 year old female who is not planning a pregnancy any time now…
The first lot of red arrows came really quick and then a handful of replies;
Sputnik, AstraZeneca x 2, Oxford and one undisclosed Vax. They all tried to give helpful advice, without taking any notice whatsoever of my concerns.
Only one person replied with what I thought was the most sensible advice, which was not to take the experimental vaccine due to it not being fully tested and people having severe side effects. I suspect the commenter is a LS?
I now have 30 downvotes and 23 upvotes.
I thought people were starting to come round last week, but now I am not so sure?
That arrow is quite representative of the population. They are heavily divided and completely confused about what is right. Some support three week circuit breakers (‘but the real hard ones’), some support masks and distancing (‘makes sense dunnit’), some support hotel quarantines (even for passengers who have tested negative…), some support the vaccine, some think it’s the mask less, some think it’s the super spreader parties, some thought it was the schools, some think lockdowns work.
There has been so much propaganda thrown around that it is impossible to reach a consensus amongst people. I would say Lockdown Sceptics are some of the few people with a relatively coherent position.
This is such an important point. I would hazard a guess that this is the first time many people have been forced to confront wider social and political issues directly impacting their lives. No wonder there have been so many “head in the sand and hoping it all goes away” reactions.
The majority are sheep and will change their bleat as soon as they start hearing enough of a different tune.
30 vs 23 not bad actually
I would rather go and lick the tongues of an entire ‘covid’ ward than I would take any of those ‘vaccines’
underrated comment
Steady, that’s a tad to far.
Not of they were all gorgeous 20 something women lol
Not of they were all gorgeous 20 something women lol
The vast majority of my MailOnLine comments are usually heavily green arrowed but I agree it is difficult to read. There is a lot of double-think going on.
Precis of Luc’s message this morning for Telegram refusers:
Luc’s fine. Opening tomorrow as normal. Lots of support from all over the world as well as UK. Lawyers to bring charges against the state militia thug [Luc calls him a “police officer”]. Calls for more people to open up because if they don’t the government will just carry on.
[Polish interviewer interjects: that’s what has happened in Poland – some people opened up and now others are following. Invitations to Good Morning Britain and Richie Allen Show. Will be setting up a fundraising page.]
Back to Luc: police told him the only charge is assaulting police officer [good luck with that one GMP, based on the videos – the reality is you’ll drop it as part of the settlement as soon as the media heat is off]. The other covid-related charges have been taken away. Police say not their job to enforce covid regulations. Luc says purely the council behind it, using police as guards and hiding behind them. Luc pretty positive towards police in general.
Parting words: “someone has to fight”.
Video message here:
https://t.me/THEGREATREOPENING/76952
Too big to Tweet – have to view in Telegram until someone cuts it down or posts it on Youtube.
I would be cautious about the GMB invitation. Morgan will be looking to humiliate him live on air.
Absolutely. I hope the people around him will include someone who can warn him to prepare for Morgan as you would for an encounter with a venomous snake. Too many naifs, themselves too decent to expect what Morgan dishes out, have walked in expecting decency or courtesy and been overrun.
He should conduct the GMB interview outside the café with 100+ of his customers in attendance. Morgan might be hesitant (although I doubt it) to try to shout down his own audience live on air.
Totally. He should decline. Their only purpose is to take him down.
The message will get out to those who want to hear it without going on those shows.
Yes, good point. either that or he could say he’s going on with Simon Dolan [or someone in a similar vein…] watch how quickly the invitation gets rescinded…
Good idea. Get Peter Hitchens on with him.
I reckon Neil Oliver would be a good ally. He’s intelligent, articulate, and has for months now been critical of the impact of lockdowns on the economy, society and mental health, and is used to presenting on TV so probably wouldn’t be fazed by the prospect of an audience of millions.
The guy should just keep repeating that Morgan publicly stated he was proud of his son’s involvement in a non socially distanced BLM protest and that the whole of the news media are exempted from lockdown.
Stay away from the Legacy media
He really ought to stay away from GMB and the odious Morgan. That’s got ‘ambush’ written all over it. He’ll be vilified and made to look bad, evil, etc. There’d be very little opportunity for rational dialogue with the cretinous Morgan.
Couldn’t agree more . Me personally I wouldn’t appear on that shitty piece of TV if THEY paid me
How many of our beloved police officers must suffer these assaults? I saw the video, and the vile, bearded man can be seen clearly headbutting the officer’s left fist…
https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/1358484233749159951
Crisis actors
My wife has messaged him via the twatterbook, or whatever it is, to say stay away from GMB.
Maybe a few of you who have entered the 20th century could also message him, I still use fountain pen and paper, It’s a seriously bad idea.
There’s science & there’s applied science, the two are very different things. You do know vaccines, therapies & pharmaceuticals are the 3rd largest killer? Its a fact research it. And there’s no such thing as an altruistic pharma corporation.
Bill Gates is a creepy psychopathic software salesman he’s not bright enough to be a nerd or James Bonds nemesis, Gates has never made or produced anything.
What is happening now can be summed up in one word, ‘politics’ where I disagree with you is that we are just seeing history repeating, there has been numerous examples of individuals having delusions of grandeur believing they can rule the world. Whats really happening is neo-liberalism.
This is incredible. Police try bullying protesters but get overwhelmed as the PEOPLE force them back. Watch as the police realise they’re in trouble. Look at their faces as they start shitting themselves. Effing BRLLIANT. What goes around comes around, you utter scum. I would just say, they’ve already chosen their side, so chanting ‘Choose your side’ is pretty pointless. Then again if it persuades one…
https://youtu.be/h8FBZU4Cjjs
Excellent stuff! That’s all you gotta know, there’s more of us than them, all we have to do is stick together.
Chanting anything is pointless in terms of affecting the police, they are trained to ignore it, it probably just stirs them up, but it also stirs the crowd up to
” Traitors ” is a better name for them , rather than this choose your side bollocks.
As previously said it’s been made pretty clear who’s side they are on for years .
Mass pushback is the only way.
Individuals will simply be made into examples.
When was this?
I think it was Hyde Park late last year, but I’m not certain.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that video before and it’s from months ago. Still great to watch but AFAIK not representative of anything going on recently, sadly.
Errm, I couldn’t see their faces as they were all wearing masks.
DavidC
Then you didn’t look hard enough, my friend. Plenty were ‘maskless’ underneath their head gear/face shields.
I love that at these protests there is generally an old boy or two that is clearly middle/upper class and very game.
Leaves on trees. A movement needed but lost in time.
A real rising needed. Either that or humbling of our leaders. Ergo an uprising only solution
Media are going into overdrive today around the South African variant. Because its resistant to one of the vaccines this means we must all lock down forever.
However, many social media armchair epidemiologists are saying that its not all bad! There is no reason why we can’t suppress the virus with restrictions like rule of 6 over summer until they update the vaccine in September (when they will probably discover a fresh new strain to lock us down for over the winter).
Pathetic and predictable. No normality this year because even with a vaccine we must constantly suppress the virus so it doesn’t mutate. Normal life eradicated because of a 0.2-7% risk of death.
Risk is much lower that that.
Ioannidis estimate – currently 0,15 to 02.
However, this takes the absurdly inflated official death figures as the numerator in that calculation.
Sunetra Gupta was pressed on her estimated IFR back in Ma (By Freddie Sayer) and said 0.05%
Exactly. This was the first sign to me that something sinister was going on. As soon as it was clear the death rate was not the 3% they initially predicted but the fear campaign and doom mongering kept going it was apparent that somebody has an ulterior motive and that governments are very content to manufacture a crisis.
Yep that’s one of the reasons LS shouldn’t go down the MSM vaccine narrative route. It’s a trap. As soon as evidence emerges that vaccination isn’t a 100% solution, the lockdown lunatics will be baying for repressive measures to continue or expanded. They will certainly use this sort of thing as an argument for more coercive pressure to vaccinate ie vaccine passports.
Covid BBC obsessed MIL hasn’t wanted us or anyone to visit them since the weekend before Christmas, terrified that we all may be diseased and give it to her. She is 68 and in good health apart from high blood pressure (bbc really going to help with that!). Her and FIL got their 1st Pfziter vaccine 9 days ago.
Yesterday, their teenage grandson, our nephew, cycled to their house unannounced and was ‘allowed in’ for a short while.
FIL attended a private medical appointment regarding his back on Saturday, today he got a call from the Doctor that he saw saying he has tested positive for Covid! So FIL and (now hysterical) MIL have to isolate for 10 days.
Obviously I have a little bit of concern because their immune system is sensitive from having the vaccine a week ago and Covid could be harsh on them, but maybe if they got Covid and weren’t too bad with it, it would give her some sort of relief, also that if she got it, it certainly wasn’t from us.
However the irony of it all has oddly amused me.
Kind of reinforces the inherent futility of trying to hide away, doesn’t it….
I hope they’re ok and if they genuinely have it that it’s mild. I wonder though, if the positive test isn’t coming from the vaccine? Maybe someone on here with more scientific / medical knowledge than me can advise if that’s likely.
I really don’t understand how so many people are testing positive after having a jab. It’s not an attenuated vaccine. It doesn’t contain the virus. Even if it did, it shouldn’t end up in the upper respiratory tract. Anyone made any sense of this?
Viral fragments from goodness knows how long ago? Plus even the vaccinistas don’t claim any protection from the jab until 3 weeks after receiving it.
Don’t discount false positives. Remember we still don’t actually have an accurate diagnostic test yet and never have.
I wouldn’t worry about so-called ‘covid’ – it’s just a cold. I would however worry about the so-called ‘vaccine’. your parents in law will probably be dead within the year – 5 years at most
I agree with much that you say, Northumbrian – particularly opposition to those who would try to impose uniformity on messy reality and its contradictions (your mention of Wagner brings to mind a good example – an individual of questionable character and thought who wrote amazing music).
But :
“… democracy is a trick that has been baked into our western DNA. It legitimises totalitarianism … hypnotise the majority and you’re there.”
No. That’s majoritarianism, not real democracy which protects messiness and dissent.
If you wish to understand what’s going on there’s only one person to read, Theodore John Kaczynski!
No sane person can advocate or condone his actions, but his insight into industrial civilisation is pure genius.
I asked the DHSC for evidence to support teh SAGE memebr Mark Walport’s comments a month or so ago as he was spouting a lot of shite and bollocks.
Got an answer back from them.
Basically as long as he does not say it in an official meeting that is documented he can say what he likes:
“The Act does not cover unrecorded information that officials may remember, opinions that officials might have”
But they do keep any issues rasied on record to track what is being raised so the more peopel who contact them asking about any evidence to support teh ravings of SAGE memebrs on TV, in newspapers etc teh ebtter.
“The Department is, however, continuing to record all the correspondence that it receives so that it is able to track the main issues being raised by the public. ”
I did try and contact him via his employer asking for his evidence to support his stance but as usual a deafening silence.
Thanks AG, for everything that you do.
Here’s the questions i asked:
Might contact him via Imperial again just to stir some shit.
Absolutely. Those questions are dynamite
Thanks for the post. Seems a level headed genuine person who deserves our full support. Let’s hope this can be some kind of catalyst that opens up the freedom to enjoy breakfast in a cafe outside of the states opening and closing times!
Just declined the vaccine in a call from my GP surgery.
Total silence at the other end of the phone for a good 8-10 seconds, then an almost incredulous “Oh!”
Next will be the call from the GP, or practice nurse, to explain that being on the CEV list means I should have it.
Good for you, no snake oil in your vains rely on the good old immune system.
More power to you. Much respect
“ongoing clinical trials” – well yes, exactly
Thanks, GS. I’ll have a read of that later.
Me and my old dear down at the council office sorting her poll tax out,WW2 on face as I entered old dear maskless.. the fuckers were given the run around for just under an hour, manager, some prat from social services and a couple of others all carping on that I was possiblity over reacting, one mentioned the vaccine,at this point I removed WW2 and quoted vaccine death figures from info gleaned from health impact news.this shut the fuckers down, and the cherry on the cake old dear got 400 of tax ,plus back pay due to overcharging..
Jolly good Bruce, keep it up. I do enjoy hearing about your adventures.
Haha legend!
I’m afraid my old mum would not agree with you, Being a prat is what she calls it..
You were overreacting?! My experience is that it’s the other way round.
They wouldn’t be saying that if they saw the amount of ‘overreacting’ bullshit I get in the mail from my local council.
I think the problem there is when there sending bullshit out it’s fine and dandy, but when it comes to them up close and personal as a certain Mr Jones used to say”They don’t like it up em”..
Yes; that’s my experience, too.
“manager, some prat from social services and a couple of others..” Well if that’s 4 people, statistically speaking ,1.32 of them were spreading a deadly virus around all over the place. I hope they made that clear in their dealings with you. unless… the councils wouldn’t be lying about that, would they?!
And coming from behind the bullet proof screens all 4 trying to observe distancing rules,all masked and at the same time talking to me in WW2 and old dear who is hard of hearing, there rules not mine you reap what you sow.
Always makes my day
Well done both of you.
NEW KILLER STRAIN discovered in French care home. 25 out of 27 people who died suddenly in care home have tested for an unknown new strain. Not Kent, not Brasilian, not South African. Its prompting new measures for testing if anyone tests positive.
And so it will go on and on and on.
Oh by the way no news if this home had just had the vaccine. but whatever its going to give the ‘scientists’ pressing Macron to have a 3rd lockdown all sorts of new ammunition.
English language report on care home, from Connexion;
New care home variantThese new measures come as 27 residents of an elderly care home in Aisne, Hauts-de-France, have died from what is suspected to be a highly-contagious and new mutation of the virus.
In a few weeks, 107 of the 111 residents have been affected by the virus, with 27 dead. Of the 70 staff, 57 have tested positive.
The strain is thought to be a new mutation of the existing known variants. Of the 30 samples taken from the care home, 25 showed evidence of a new strain, different again from the UK, South-African or Brazilian variants.
Minister for Personal Independence Brigitte Bourguignon said that the situation was being managed. She said: “The means are available. There was also pressure to bring in more staff to help, which we have. The Red Cross and home-care staff have stepped in.”
Investigations are now underway to determine the suspected origin of this new strain.
WEF
I read her name as Beef Bourguignon, either it’s getting close to tea time or I’ve been locked for too long
“Minister for Personal Independence”
Only the French …
Crazy question but were they vaccinated?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
A new strain just after France had said there would not be another lockdown, where have we heard that before? Are people really that stupid and lacking critical thinking they fall for it?
Does this mean we can hold up traffic at Calais?
Depending on who or what you believe there is apparently up to 70% less traffic at Calais since 1/1/21
UK column today reporting on a emerging pattern.Care homes which have been Covid free vaccinate the inmates and have a killer outbreak about a week later.
The correlation we’re seeing is too strong to be a coincidence. The open letter sent contains analysis that shows as much.
Pure coincidence, nothing to see here, move along now, you’re holding up the queue for the showers
Fromage Flu?
Froggie Flu peut-être ??
The vaccine strain?
See Dr Vernon Coleman’s latest gig ! + Dr Mike Yeadon pulled from twatter! If they are both wrong then I’m a Dutchman !
As Churchill said more elegantly, democracy is shite but not as shite as the other systems.
It’s the only system that is compatible with individual freedom.
I think we’ve just had very firmly demonstrated that if democracy is necessary for individual freedom (an assertion I’d require quite strong support for, to accept), it clearly isn’t sufficient.
The American founders were very confident that democracy was incompatible with freedom, which is why they were at pains to insist their system was a constitutional republic rather than a democracy.
I’m no fan of the largest minority taking away the rights of individuals, but I’d argue we don’t even have democracy anymore, its really just a totalitarian technocracy.
Look at the US, how is it the states most popular president has to surround himself with the home guard? Gaddafi used to drive around in an open topped car!
Democracy died with the rise of the Clinton mafia. Elections are just theatre.
I don’t believe there is a Great Reset, just that very successful billionaires start thinking because they have been successful humanity must benefit from their advice, then their foundations, then their support of causes they believe in, then politicians they believe in, then that they should run things-for our benefit of course.
No U.K. hotels prepared to sign up to be quarantine hotels probably because they don’t want to damage their brand. Thank goodness this is biting the dust. Also the possibility of legal challenges. Vaccine passports won’t happen either. All tactics to scare the peasants. Peasants are made of stronger stuff than the shower and their cheerleaders in Westminster.
I wouldn’t be so sure, before long this may well be their sole possible source of income. Who is going to use a hotel for any other reason in the current circumstances?
Hasn’t stopped them where the asylum seekers are concerned.
They are not hotel chains. Bog standard B&B’s
At least that has a useful purpose.
There’s a reason the US is a constitutional republic. The founding fathers knew that pure democracy was a bad idea. Still the US is certainly try to pull itself into a totalitarian state. But there are always those who are fighting back.
What a bitter sweet irony if the Covidians are wiped out by the snake oil sold to them by their leader
Like Jonestown but on an industrial scale
Monkey Gunk as the new Kool Aid
Anyway I have first dibs on Piers pad. Other properties are available but I expect a finders fee
it’s not really that great. because then they’ll be coming for the rest of us.
There was a conspiracy theory mentioned on this site a few months back that this is a test – those who take the “vaccine” have failed and will die as a result of doing so, leaving behind a population of people who can think.
I didn’t see it but I have wondered about this this too…
I’ve tried long and hard to spread that one.
Well, that’s me. I’ve had that discussion with the wife.
She pointed out, though, that they might think the opposite. People who think are dangerous; they don’t want a population that think for themselves.
‘Whitehall sources believe that companies who adopt a “jab for a job” stance are protected by current health and safety laws which require workers to protect not only themselves, but also colleagues from harm.’ Really? So they can insist everyone has the influenza vaccine as well. And a sanity vaccine too, presumably, to stop that proliferating at the rate it has been recently. And then a truth vaccine to protect us from lies (or would that be to protect us from truth, getting a bit confused lately?) And then a measles vaccine and a MMR vaccine certificate. In fact the logical extension of this farce is to insist that every employee has (or proof they already have had) every vaccine that is currently on the market. More spondoola for pharma – whoopee!!!!!
Invasion of employee privacy?
Nuremberg convention of human rights – how can a company mandate something a country is banned from doing?
Nuremberg is the big one for me. There are some who due to age involved in politics, whether advisors or interns etc, who really do not grasp why Nuremberg happened.
People get offended when I say it : but you are either on the side of Hitler, or of Civilization. There’s no in-between.
Because they’ve paid off all the judges?
There is also a logic fail here.
All residents in care homes will have been vaccinated so they are protected and all staff who want to be vaccinated also. So, even though the vaccine reportedly doesn’t make you immune or stop you spreading the virus, every member of staff must be vaccinated. Why?
… and for a virus which poses little threat for the vast majority of us.
The whole response has been a massive logic fail from start to finish. None of it makes any sense. That’s their strategy though isn’t it – to confuse us all into blind helplessness and obedience.
Checkout
https://ugetube.com/watch/dr-sherri-tenpenny-on-depopulation-covid-vaccines_xvXnRYFqlAyXlxG.html
The government are hoping that employers do their dirty work for them. This way they can get vaccination mandated via the back door without any new legislation. I believe that this is going to be (from their point of view) spectacularly successful. The vast majority of employers will mandate vaccination for their employees.
I predict that by the end of this year only around 10% of the population will not have received one of the Covid vaccines. These will be the hard core refuseniks.
see you in the gulag. I have always said that if they want to kill me, they are going to have to do it openly, and without my co-operation, although I don’t look forward to torture.
I was there last night in my dreams. I was walking round shouting all of your names
Also they know the Jab will eventually be required everywhere whilst professing that they didn’t mandate it ! Simples !
The problem is that Covid is not a severe and imminent threat. In the place where a friend works they have masks/visors mandates in rooms where you can’t be separated. It’s based on incorrect ideas.
The problem is that HS and using the excuse of the government’s advice which when it eventually is shown to be crap (as AG has shown from FOI) harm will have been done to workers based on faulty information.
The other thing that is amazing is that a lot of worksites are little experiments in themselves and they could have looked at the data over the months and said we don’t need any of this. The problem is insurance. They most likely aren’t covered for Covid claims so need to do something.
Masks, distancing, lockdowns and now ‘vaccinations’ for almost a year.
How dare the prople of Belarus and Tanzania have the cheek to continue to exist?
That simple fact, that these countries have not implemented these measures, but that the people continue to live, proves conclusively what an utter load of bollocks it all is.
Any country that does not submit will be receiving the requisite regime change in due course. None of this works unless there is 100% compliance worldwide.
Guardian going after Magufuli today.
How dare he!
I know nothing about the leadership of either country but I suspect it wont last much longer, when the IMF & world bank turn the thumb screws.
Ukranian Strainan incoming
They already took out a non-compliant leader in Burundi.
I’m surprised the fellow in Tanzania has lasted this long.
And that not a single country has fallen. Like the lockdown experiment has worked so well, despite all its versions, and zero catastrophes. You’d expect one to have maybe ran out of money, had to open up and their population died in their millions. But no.
Totally agree, but worrying that Sweden late in the day of tightened up restrictions and apparently is going for the vaccine passport. I think that they are being punished for being out of line. Rumours (as yet unsubstantiated ) that Tegnell has been fired are an additional concern
What I hear from those I know in Sweden is that there are no new restrictions. Masks recommended in public transport during rush hour. That’s it.
An argument often used by lockdown opponents is that lockdown measures have nothing to do with a virus and there is an agenda behind lockdowns. Does anyone feel right from the start of the first lockdown in March that lockdowns had nothing to do with a virus.
Yep, I absolutely do now. I didn’t at the time, I was one of the morons who fell for all the shit. it took me about 1-2 months to slowly wake up, and now I am extremely hardline against all of it: I sometimes put that down to having been duped at first, it made me extremely angry, and there is nothing so zealous as an apostate
I’ve been one of those nut job prepers for a fair while now, not because i believe everything david icke says, but simply because i don’t want to be reliant on government when the shit hits the fan. When covid hit china i raised my eye brows, but even with all my scepticism & distrust of the system i was blind sided by lockdowns, but not for one second did i feel it was warranted, the only other person i was aware of at that time, i agreed with was Hitchens. Don’t agree with him on much else apart from adverse reaction to socialism.
I guess I’m still a moron in so far as I didn’t and still don’t think that everyone was in on it. I do think China have been laughing at us for the last year and WHO were useful idiots.
Leading up to this there were the extintion rebellion madness, MSM and social media jumped on that bandwagon very quickly, anyone who said anything against them was immediately deemed wrong. I have always thought that showed how easily people could be led in a certain direction.
I thought that there was something underhand going on when China announced that there had been 3 deaths from the new corona virus. I immediately found out what the population of China was and thought….3 dead from anything in a population of 1500,000,000 seemed a bit un-newsworthy
It was clear from the offing that the actions taken were completely disproportionate to the risks.
Boris was scarred that many people would die and he would get the blame. It is the same with masks, looking like he was doing something.
There was an earlier post on here from a contributor who reported having suffered long Covid and now recovered. They said one of the issues was “brain fog”. I wonder if our current PM has this? He certainly is not behaving rationally.
But, he never did. He used to write 2 articles with opposing views for his newspaper, and hand over the one he thought most relevant
Jellyfish
Haha good point
of the chocolate variety
The sudden u-turn abandoning decades of science & accumulated medical knowledge is a smoking gun that too many dismiss.
Definitely. All the advice and experience from history said lockdowns do not work and should not be used. Even the WHO said this. Then on 19th March WHO said the virus was not highly dangerous and was like the flu. So on 22nd March the government did the lockdown.
It then comes out on 2nd March they signed a £112 million deal with a marketing company to come up with all the lockdown and covid banners, adverts & propaganda. For them to have done that in 2nd March, they mist have decided for the lockdown back in Jan. Which made the whole “u turn” on herd immunity and no lockdown a bit of a sham.
The whole thing is a sham – and I’ve never believed the Boris was pressured into it by the meeja nonsense.
I did fall for the virus guff in the first week or so but the propaganda was so relentless it very soon became an obvious case of the lady protesting far too loudly.
When I read this MIT article on 17th March 2020 it was clear that transforming society was the goal:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/17/905264/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/
good find.
This paragraph is chilling:
Ultimately, however, I predict that we’ll restore the ability to socialize safely by developing more sophisticated ways to identify who is a disease risk and who isn’t, and discriminating—legally—against those who are.
Nothing sinister there then. I await my yellow star. Just reminding everyone your chance of surviving the virus is 99.8% under 65 and pretty much 95% over.
Yes from the beginning and most certainly when Ferguson was involved, he had done it before, cull the healthy plus had been so wrong on how many deaths would occur with other pandemics, it was only going one way.
I have said previously my mantra, believe nothing, check everything.
Yes – the use of the tem ‘new normal’ right from the beginning.
HCQ made prescription.only n France on January 13th, after being over the counter for 60 years.
The attempt right from the beginning to exaggerate deaths and create an atmosphere of fear, wheras normally governments would be looking to calm populations down.
The insistence right from the beginning that a vaccine was the only exit.
The censorship right from the beginning.
God knows whether it would get anywhere – probably not – but I would love to see the HCQ thing looked into by a proper investigative journalist
Exactly. Very few people took heed of just how deadly serious the “new normal” mantra was in those heady days of unbroken Spring sunshine and “we’re all in this together” pot-banging bullshit.
Everything I have seen since has deeply upset me, but not surprised me.
The data from the Diamond Princess told us that this virus wasn’t going to be the Black Death, or even the Plague of Justinian.
Mothering Sunday, my son visited us, told him then it was a load of ****, actually said it was a coup. In a way it was.
Err, yes.
Poverty
Just listened to Prof Jay Bhattacharya refer to the lockdowns as targeted protection for the rich.
Because I have never believed ANYTHING that comes out of “The System” and because I have been paying close attention to all sorts of interesting stuff that normies dismiss as “conspiracy theory” since at least the late 80’s.
I knew The Corona Project was a massive scam. I watched in horror as the sheeple swallowed it up even although it was obvious to me what was really going on.
A multi-faceted 5-D chess game of psychological warfare the likes of which I have never seen before driving a plethora of agenda’s or “convergent opportunities” from a host of actors.
The virus being mercilessly exploited as a catalyst of global social change.
Yep, nothing to do with a “virus”.
Knew that back in February 2020.
Why you ask?
This:
The first piece of “coronavirus” legislation was introduced at 2.30 pm on the 10th February 2020 without Parliamentary oversight or debate and is now revoked. This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument and it was subsequently amended on the 25th February 2020.
This piece of legislation required a statement of “serious and imminent threat” by the Chief Medical Officer to justify any measures to be taken.
Rather prophetically there was an unannounced and totally unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland on this very subject. It stated:
“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.
For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””
This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.
How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?
Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s section and not on the DHSC webpages and why was it not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?
As this was part of a FOI request answer then either the above is the only advice given by the CMOs or the DHSC have withheld more detailed advice.
Then on the 19th March 2020 the coronavirus was downgraded and was no longer classified as a High Consequence Infectious Disease.
On the 23rd March 2020, the Prime Minister announced the start of the “lockdown” and the relevant legislation was written, laid before Parliament and commenced the 26th March 2020.
So what we have is:
– issue of medical (non)advice 30th January 2020 which was used as the declaration of “serious and imminent threat” for all future legislation
– legislation introduced 10th February 2020
– downgrade the disease 19th March 2020
– announced the population imprisonment 23rd March 2020
– introduce legislation 26th March 2020
– and so it continues 7 months after “3 weeks to save the NHS” with no end in sight
Isn’t something wrong with this scenario?
It’s useful sometimes to remind oneself of the precise dates.
It’s fascinating how government interference and manipulation increased in direct opposition to the known declining threat level.
Yes. My gut feeling said the whole thing was fake. The Chinese people collapsing in the street, the bodies of Italian ‘victims’ wrapped in what looked like black bin liners, propped up in armchairs like a macabre theatre scene – and then there was the ‘bat soup’, which at first I did believe. The propaganda arm of global government was obviously playing on the ‘Bloody Chinese, they’ll eat anything’, meme, but the more nothing made sense (eg ‘ A deadly killer virus is stalking the world’ but our borders not being closed), the more the bat soup seemed like theatre too. When the WHO said it was safe to let the Chinese wet markets open again in the April that was when I knew we were all being played. The fact that the MSM wasn’t asking the most basic of questions prickled my senses too – and then the onslaught of propaganda started. No British government in recent history (before Bliar and his Weapons of Mass Distraction) has deliberately tried to terrify the public like this. In a real pandemic, if bodies were piling up in the streets which is what they implied would happen, they would be trying to keep everyone calm – just like they do after a terrorist attack.
My sceptical views were cemented when I read this article in March 2020:
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/
Yes OffGuardian were terrific on this right from the off. I read them every day back in March and also the Swiss Doctor. I always thought the virus was over-blown – Diamond Princess, too much media hyperbole, obvious crisis actors in China and Lombardy, excited talk of mass graves and overrun morgues, BBC breathlessly gushing on 2nd March news (it was on in the office break area) about 51 cases now here – I remember saying to a colleague “wake me up when it’s 51,000”. I admit I thought the lockdowns were just wrongheaded government actions till mid April when it rolled on into another 3 weeks and I could see there was no exit plan at all.
Right from day one. Seen nothing to change my opinion.
I see a potential competitive advantage for an enterprising country in this situation.
What if Brazil, for example, were to invest in its digital infrastructure in order to attract digital entrpreneurs to say Rio, or a development near it. It would advertise the presence of traditional social life with clubs, bars, concerts, clubs etc It could make itself into a global centre for Internet business attracting people from all over the world who want to live fully human lives.
All that with tropical beaches.
This would give a heck of a boost to the economy. All that the migrants would need is a great Internet connection.
It would attract many enterprising taxpayers, leaving their home countries ‘safer’, but poorer.
Come on, Mr Bolsanaro,
I fear we are going to need new countries if we want normal lives
Finland will pay your rent for a year to come an work in IT there.
That’s got my name written all over it – being fuckin useless and talking bollocks
You do know that Rio has been under some form of quarantine since March last year? Carnaval is cancelled this month, no samba, no extra days off, bars and restaurants have to shut by 10pm, and those tropical beaches were blocked off for New Year to avoid crowds. I know of a couple of videos doing the rounds showing bars full to overflowing, but they do not represent the reality for most Cariocas and a normal human life isn’t very likely. Try getting on the BRT without a muzzle and see how that goes.
When you add in the high crime rate, regular shoot-outs along the main roads, and the crappy infrastructure, plus several failed big ticket projects for the region (polo petroquimico and the formula 1 track are the latest) it doesn’t look very attractive.
Is it true that no hotel chain has signed up to be a quarantine hotel, as it’ll damage their brand? Let’s hope that it’s true.
Pest Western
You struggled with that Crowne Plaza one, didn’t you.
Hat tip to Cranmer for the Best Western one. Kicking myself
Corona Plaza maybe?
*bows deep*
shouldnt that be Trial without Jury
True. Quarantine like vaccine passports dead in the water. No one wants to sully their brand name. Easy to get fake passports. Scare tactics don’t work. Peasants 2 : Govt 0
Just spotted this in the DT reporting of France “tightening test and trace measures” for anyone with “the English mutant”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/08/france-tightens-test-and-trace-rules-amid-fears-variant-surge/
“All contact cases must take an RT-PCR test the day they are identified, the note stipulates. Any patient who tests positive with a variant and contact cases considered high-risk can receive home help from a nurse and will be “systematically offered specific housing,” it adds.” (My bold)
What happens if they systemically refuse? Does anyone know any more about this specific housing in France?
This is coming here. You think those quarantine hotels are just for foreigners? Well
Quite. That’s why I’m asking. .
The onslaught on the BAMES by the legacy media is stunning and brave to watch
of course- not bigotry when the MSM call them uneducated about vaccines
My sides
Its a thing of beauty to behold. The media don’t care about the BAME community and never have. The BLM politics has just been an extremely effective diversion to divide the population.
I was thinking this. Previously sacrosanct BAME rights and ‘disability discrimination’ is thrown out of the window in a heartbeat if it doesn’t suit the agenda of compulsory vaccination and masks. It’s like the breaking of the Nazi-Soviet pact in 1941.
Brilliant.As the media switch from one narrative to another one without taking breath.
They could provoke riots if they are not careful.The Bame communities have a lot of people of rioting age in concentrated areas of cities.
Also many BAME people work in healthcare, good luck with that.
While I don’t agree with all the ‘I’m a victim’ stuff the BAME community have represented – often by firebrands who don’t represent the real feelings of the community – i suspect they are a damn sight stronger than the MSM. Popcorn time.
This is probably a minor issue in the scheme of things but, I have mentioned in the comments here previously, how damned annoying I find the Covid “advice” ads on every radio station, including Talk Radio.
As the frequency of them seems to be getting higher, I decided to email Talk Radio this morning and ask some questions about them.
As of 16:30 today I haven’t yet had any response, not even an acknowledgement of my email.
For information, below is the content of the email – if anyone knows the answer to any of the questions, I imagine there are quite a few people here who might be interested!
Message sent was:
“Can you please confirm whether you are legally obliged to broadcast the Government (or NHS) “advice” adverts, which are being broadcast with what appears to be increasing, and extremely irritating, frequency. If the answer is yes, then please confirm what legislation requires this.
Please also confirm if you are paid to broadcast them, and if so, whether this payment is at a premium over other types of advertising income.
I would point out that I am becoming very close to stopping listening to the station entirely at the moment, because I find them extremely annoying.
A rapid response would be appreciated or I will be forced into asking the question on public forums which may have readers with the necessary knowledge.
Thank you.”
Yes I only listen to Talk Radio now because of the propaganda pumped out by the BBC but like you I am also getting extremely fed up of the constant messages. I am especially sick of the one saying you may have Covid but are not sowing any symptoms????
Yes that one is very annoying.
Also being asked if I can “look a bus driver in the eyes”…etc – well as I don’t catch buses….
Perhaps more people should contact them and demand answers.
Since we are always told not to distract the bus driver while the bus is moving, they should make it clear we are not to look into his eyes until it has safely stopped. Perhaps the ASA should clarify this?
Lol!
Well done dhid.
By june / july last year government covid advertising spend was around £30 million per month. I doubt if it has gone down. That money buys a lot of newspaper, tv and radio advertising. And obviously most media depends on advertising revenue so Talk Radio are not going to turn down the money.
And they do not have any control over advert content , so must air the patronising shite whether they like it or agree with it or not
Of course the only MSM that don’t depend on advertising revenue is the BBC , but they are willing to do all the covid advertising that the government could ever want for free
Yes that is a lot! – Pity they might end up loosing more listeners as a result instead.
Well as businesses disappear, the only advertising revenue going is the government, who apparently have spent £1.1 billion on covid advertising.
TalkRadio need ad revenue.
Sadly becoming impossible to avoid them so I had to switch off several times today.
maybe we could have a health warning such as some listeners may find the next item distressing so we can switch off in good time.
Mike Graham said a week or so ago that they didn’t have control over what’s in the adverts.
They are very, very annoying.
Good afternoon everyone,
I received an email this afternoon from The Claims Guys (these are well known PPi checkers). What’s interesting, is that this was the VW case that Reiner Fuellmich won.
How long till they are getting into the PCR fiasco I wonder
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On that note, I’m pleased to see that PCR Claims’ website is back up and running:
https://pcrclaims.co.uk/index.php
They were down for a few days, leading some of us to suspect they may have been ‘got at.’
The seeming total absence of any personal injury suits either for or against lockdown/covid is very odd, IMO.
Yes, very odd. Would love to file a claim against the UK Government for the loss of at least one quality adjusted life year.
The gift that keeps on giving.
Just a point on this. The emissions levels being 40 times higher is a con. Successive green policies have been to reduce the levels because of “muh emissions”. Chevrolet had a similiar issus of running a cheat device a decade or so ago. When you look at the acceptable levels the VW would have passed.
What’s changed? The emissions narrative.
The big scandal here is that VW put a piece of software in their car control that they didn’t declare.
Some twat on Talk Radio has just done the whole lock-everyone-in-their-houses-for-2-weeks with no one allowed out ANYWHERE and nothing open except emergency services. Where do they get these people? How does he think he food is produced, packaged and transported, his water cleaned, his sewage disposed of, his electricity and gas piped to his house; how do the hospitals replenish their supplies?
What an idiot. I wish that idea would just go away, they think they’re so bloody clever when they suggest it.
what a psychopath
Th radio phone in shows seem to actively look for these types. LBC is awful for it. Today’s 10min drive to pick up my daughter from school had a guy saying that everyone entering the country should have to scan an app. Or be tagged. This will soon become the norm
What, listening to LBC while driving ? Get outta here !
They will be the first up against the wall
No – we will I’m afraid.
Trouble is they don’t think, which is why their heads are in a complete mess over a mild low mortality virus.
The trouble is they don’t think.
The trouble is they probably don’t have the capacity to think.
Why didn’t talk radio ask him those questions?
Gets people listening, init
Correct… their business is to get people listening so they can sell ads… the end.
No moral imperative at all. Just sell ads.
The presenter just chuckled and praised him for his bold ideas.
He did admit that there were two outcomes however – elimination of covid, or complete chaos.
Does anyone remember ‘Down the line’ on Radio 4?
Like everything else, reality has overtaken parody.
God that is so shocking. What planet is he on???
It is sort of what they did in Wuhan but China has a billion people so can afford to shut down a whole city and ship in people from outside to keep it going
So what happens two weeks later when the Great Unlock siren goes off around the land and all the dead bodies have been carted off to the morgue? The first flight lands, lorries roll in carrying produce from the continents, virions blow in on the easterly winds from France. Zero Covid is a dangerous fantasy.
That one pops up from time to time on the letters page of the free Metro rag, probably in the other tabloids too.
Surely we aren’t saying that the previous hysterical modelling nonsense driven panic to the current coronapanic was after all just another hysterical modelling nonsense driven panic, manufactured by emotional manipulation via heart-string tugging nonsense from cynically overpromoted young girls?
Plus ca change?
A ‘strange thing’ has occurred in the global temperature: Bolt
“Published on Feb 8, 2021
Sky News host Andrew Bolt says there is a “strange thing” which occurred in the world temperature for January, measured by satellites.
“We are supposed to think there has already been so much global warming that people are dying, animals are dying, the planet is collapsing,” Mr Bolt said.
“But there’s a strange thing, you look at the world temperature for January as measured by satellites – the most reliable way of doing it – a drop to just 0.12 degrees (Celsius) of warming above the average of late last century. That really is close to nothing.”
Mr Bolt spoke with the former head of Australia’s National Climate Centre William Kininmonth about the topic.
“The temperature has dropped about a bit over half a degree over the last 12 months from January 2020,” Mr Kininmonth said.
“But there’s been a lot of variability in the impact of that.””
Well, well, who’da thunk?
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/08/sweden-is-flattening-the-curve-too/
David Paton has written a good article for Spiked showing how none lockdown Sweden has coped fine without criminalising, patronising and dividing its population and causing economic damage. Hope the link works.
Is there any radio station left on earth that I can listen to without wanting to tear my own head off?
I can’t find one. No longer watching any live tv or listening to any radio. Even podcasts that have been my primary source of media entertainment for a few years haven’t been safe
try radio caroline
Thanks! Had no idea it was still going.
It’s a sad situation isn’t it? I don’t care about live telly, but some decent music and non-Covid chat in the background would be nice. It’s all any of them ever talk about, how does it not drive even the most committed Covidian demented?
Radioxide 4Xtra No news bulletins very good quality dramas old comedies and thrillers! My stapleft diet at the moment! Highly recommend it.
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
I can still find a few interesting COVID free programmes on The World Service on my Sounds App. Completely given up on any live radio or TV.
radio caroline
Not heard of this one, will have a look, thanks.
Radio 3 is OK mostly if you like classical. It does mention Covid occasionally but not to excess and you get a sense most of the musicians on there are pissed off and desperate to get performing live again.
I’ll second that. Sometimes I unwittingly catch the news bulletin, and I get pissed off with ‘What I did in the Lockdown’ stories.
But, that apart, it’s only the growth in the moronic imitation of a commercial network with a surfeit of ‘trails’ that pisses me off.
Radio 4 Extra and the World Service are also good value.
The ‘Listen Again’ service on ‘Sounds’ is good value and allows you to pick and choose.
There’s no comparable variety in the commercial sector – that’s the simple situation that those getting onto the ‘defund the BBC’ bandwagon don’t get. Just avoid News and Current Affairs.
Ooh thanks, yes I do like classical, had just assumed that all Beeb channels would be unbearable.
It’s easy enough to avoid the news bulletins on Radio 3. They’re on the hour, though not every hour, something like 7 & 8am, 1, 5 & 6pm.
I still listen to 6Music, but I mute it when the news comes on at half past.
Then I turn it off at 7pm when that communist manc potato twat Marc Riley comes on.
Radio X by-and-large swerves the Rona chit chat.
Radio Caroline.
They’re zero covid, in the best sense.
Public health extremists such as Tim Spector should either be in a mental institution or under permanent house arrest without access to a computer. Its a no cost option that would get society back to normal
Whichever is the lowest cost option.
sold his sole to funding
Very pleasant 8mile walk today
Very slight snow fall, interspersed with bright sunshine
All the Covidians were locked up in their cells.
No traffic
No Stasi about, too cold from them
Had the whole place to myself
No queque in the bakers and butchers
Starting to think lockdown has it’s advantages
Do I really want to spend time in the company of ‘people’ who couldn’t wait to impose 1930’s Germany on us?
When I returned to the pub last summer I couldn’t bear to hear the shite these morons were spouting
Lets keep them locked up forever
I don’t want to keep anybody locked up.
But … if they want to choose it as a lifestyle – so be it.
Just don’t expect me to do the same.
A minor problem: If all the Covidians are “sheltering at home” there will be no crowds at concerts, pubs etc … how nice is that?
Florida is looking good at the moment.
But with a change of governor at some point, it won’t necessarily stay that way.
Also a bit hot and humid for me.
The trouble with the US is you have to come back for six months every year.
lucky you, right decision, you can watch this shitshow from a safe distance. If I did not have to leave the only people who give my life meaning behind, then I would be out of here too
I’ve recently been thinking the same, no traffic, no queues, anyone out and about is likely to be a sceptic of some description. My job counts as essential, so I am still working and getting on with life. I long since gave up on quarantine, I stayed in for about three days at the beginning and then thought “Sod it, life’s too short”
This past weekend I went fishing with a bunch of mates, went for a nice ride in the countryside with a couple of biker buddies, and then had a very pleasant dinner and drinks on Sunday evening with some more sceptics.
No Covidians, no arseholes, just like-minded folk.
There are certainly lots of local Covvizombies who can stay under the bed for ever, for all I care.
I’m starting to rethink my plans too. I was originally planning to retire and return to the UK next month……that’s not happening obviously. The more I read about the UK the less appealing coming back there looks, so I have tentatively started exploring retirement here in Brazil.
Up to him of course, but would love to have a high resolution photo of Luc posted on the site that I can have printed on a t-shirt or sweatshirt. This man could be our Che!
Could be used for fund raising as well.
Borinocchio!
Haha love it
that’s hoe he gets them…
All those accusations over the autumn & winter over who was locking down, who was having a ‘fire break’, who was unlocking too early, who was unlocking too late. Didn’t make much difference did it!
Brilliant. Too simple for them though!!
These mutant strains… how do they occur? There is the view stated by Matt Ridley in the recent Speccie and also I believe by Mike Yeadon and Knut Wittkowski that the lockdowns actually increase the likelihood of mutations. Why is this though, and is there any evidence for it? It kind of makes sense to me but I’m not sure why.
Omniscient Husband rejects this theory and says that the more viruses spread the more they mutate, thus justifying keeping us locked down forever.. Sigh!
Based on my layman’s knowledge of evolution, I’d say that when an organism’s environment is unchanging then it will reach a point where any mutations are most likely to be harmful. When there is environmental change, this equilibrium is upset and some mutations are more likely to survive.
Lockdown creates a challenge for the virus as it changes the parameters of transmission, so in effect it starts to “explore” the possibilities of change offered by mutations.
This is my understanding, written as a layperson. The modus operandi of a virus is to spread as widely as it can but not kill its host; to kill its host threatens the very existence of a virus and usually only occurs by accident if the host has some weakness which the virus circumstantially encounters. Most people who contract a virus will not be seriously harmed by it and will develop immunity protecting them from future infection. Hence the concept of herd immunity when a specific proportion of the population has been infected.
Usually a virus mutates if the environment or circumstances in which it exists change. It mutates to improve its chances of ‘survival’. If its ‘survival’ is under threat, mutation normally involves developing the ability to spread quicker but also to be less harmful so it reduces further any risk of killing its host, with a view to preserving itself.
Presumably variations in geographical location present different challenges for a virus, hence regional mutations occurring. But for the reasons given above I would expect such variations to be less harmful than the version of the virus it evolved from. Similarly, by introducing lockdowns, mini self-contained bubbles are created which would encourage the evolution of variants within them but, again, I cannot see why there would be any reason to presume they would be more lethal than the preceding variant.
What doesn’t make sense is to assume that if you reduce ‘cases’ in one bubble to zero (i.e. zero covid, such as is claimed to have happened on the Isle of Man) that any benefit will be achieved long-term unless the intention is to sustain lockdowns forever. The only realistic logical long-term objective should be national herd immunity.
I may be mistaken in my understanding and I am more than happy to be corrected!
By delaying and slowing down the spread of the virus, it has more time to mutate.
Some viruses are more stable than others. The coronaviruses such as the common cold undergo frequent mutations, which is why we get multiple colds in our lifetimes.
Other viruses, e.g. chicken pox, don’t, so we tend to only get it once.
Is that true? I’ve read many times that coronaviruses mutate slowly, unlike the flu or HIV.
The reason we get so many colds is that there are about 200 cold causing viruses (mostly rhinoviruses, but also corona, RSV, parainfluenza, adenovirus etc)
OMG – thanks for the replies but just listened to UK column. The mutant strains are from Brazil, SA and UK. Exactly the countries that the AZ vaccine was trialled…
Coincidence…?
I don’t think so. If the virus’s goal is to replicate and find another host, it’s more likely to replicate inside someone vaccinated if the immune response is impaired. Which it would be to a mutant version.
So as the virus copies itself over and over inside a vaccinated host, the mutated viruses are going to do so more successfully, surely?
Add Mexico to the list of possible escape routes…
Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador returned to his daily morning news conferences today, following a two-week absence after catching Covid-19, but vowed not to wear a mask or require Mexicans to use them.
“There is no authoritarianism in Mexico … everything is voluntary, liberty is the most important thing,” the left-wing populistsaid. “It is each person’s own decision.”
Good man.
The UK needs an AMLO.
So called libertarian conservative cunt MPs need to read these words.
I disagree with your language, but agree with the sentiment.
The language was far too gentle, but I agree with your sentiment.
Mexico is owned lock stock and barrel by drug lords and corrupt coppers. A bit like Manchester, TBH.
Sounds like a safe haven
I get that I may be having a sense of humour failure here, but there is absolutely nothing safe about Mexico. Nothing at all. It’s a 3rd world despotic shithole.
If you want to live, then you have to take risks.
The murder rate in Mexico is 15x what it is here. And it’s not low here.
so what, it’s better than here.
Good for him.
Whose report was that? BBC?
That’s a lie though.
You need to mask up in the hotels there.
Otherwise, I’d be tempted.
well he talks the talk…
alas no ski slopes
Wow – legal action being taken out against him maybe?
Ironic a leftist has this sense!
Handjob is on:
Hancock’s message to over-70s: Contact NHS for jab
I changed a couple of bits for him.
Don’t watch any TV, but I can see this is how lockdown is going to be extended, there will be one of these speeches for every single age group. In addition people now have to call to get the vaccine, the excuse for the longer lockdown – the over 70’s didn’t make contact, so we cannot vaccinate the over 60’s, rinse and repeat.
“Why won’t you get vaccinated? Johnson and Handoncock have said you should”
“Errr … I think you’ve just given part of the answer.”
He needs a couple of his bits changed permanently and without anaesthetic at that.
I’ve just heard him on the news… he seems to be claiming that the vaccines prevent (or at least impede) transmission.
Is he flat wrong?
Has he been watching movies again?
I don’t care either way – he needs to think that it does, or we will be locked away forever.
Except that the more he persuades the covidians that it does, the more social pressure will be put on refuseniks, to the point where covidians will feel morally justified in everything from refusing you services to punching you in the mouth.
“Now that message is changing”
Not a first.
Do you actually believe those numbers? 95% of 75-79 year olds? Reckon he’s mushing up some percentage figures somewhere along the line.
No!
Are the figures ‘invited’ or actual jabs? I have been invited in that I have received a letter in the post.
That’s a good point. They are very careful with the use of ‘invited’, aren’t they?
My sister and I both separately turned down the offer of vaccination for my 86 year-old mother.
We were told back in early January that she’d tested positive for CV19, so we’ve said she doesn’t need the vaccine as she’ll be immune already. I don’t want to just prolong her life for the sake of it (advanced Alzheimer’s), but i don’t want to put her at risk from the vaccine when it shouldn’t be necessary.
Hi everyone,
I’ve just stumbled across this poem by William Arthur Ward, and I thought it rather apt…..
To laugh is to risk appearing the fool.
To weep is to risk appearing sentimental.
To reach for another is to risk involvement.
To expose your ideas, your dreams, before a crowd is to risk their loss.
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To live is to risk dying.
To believe is to risk despair.
To try is to risk failure.
But risks must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.
The people who risk nothing, do nothing, have nothing, are nothing.
They may avoid suffering and sorrow, but they cannot learn, feel, change, grow, love, live.
Chained by their attitudes they are slaves, they have forfeited their freedom.
Only a person who risks is free.
That’s wonderful, thanks.
Brilliant summary of what makes a zombie. And why we here are not zombies.
Thanks for posting.
I agree with the sentiments, but it’s not a poem.
I’d like to point out that Toby himself did an excellent lockdown-focused blog on Saturday.
The two most recent are by Jonathan Barr, who seems obsessed with discussing the vaccine and, in his case, our grumbling is justified. What an irrelevant waste of a leading slot is today’s first article! Surely it would have been more appropriate to lead with the article about Seehofer.
However, BTL we are free to criticise and ask the sort of questions and post the sort of articles that vanish on most media outlets. We must remain grateful for what we have and make the absolute most of it while we can.
A few thoughts on the ongoing debate between Toby and Christopher Snowdon. Different people have different reasons for opposing the lockdown. Personally, I’ve always argued that the cure is worse than the disease (it’s not to deny that Covid-19 exits but rather that it is not so deadly as to justify the measures enacted, particularly the suspension of fundamental liberties). However, there’s no denying this opinion is subjective to some extent: I happen to place greater value on freedom and quality of life over higher levels of safety (and I might add I’m in a medium-to-high risk category). But there is also another argument that has become clearer as the “pandemic” has gone on, and that hinges on the fact that some influential members of SAGE are trying to bring about permanent changes to the country. Already there is serious discussion about introducing prohibition (other readers of this site have previously pointed out that Whitty is anti-alcohol) and there is no end in sight for travel restrictions. It’s clear from today’s news that we are engaged in an arms race between vaccines and mutations – which fact SAGE no doubt will argue is a reason for maintaining restrictions indefinitely. It all leads in the direction of an authoritarian nanny state in which people have fewer choices and less control over their lives. Ultimately, though, the economic damage caused by the lockdown becomes so great that some form of “reset” becomes inevitable. The danger is that you might then find yourself enslaved to the state in which “you will own nothing and you will be happy” (for happy read miserable). There is a lot at stake here, which makes it all the more disappointing that people like Christopher Snowdon and Domonic Lawson align themselves with people like Susan Michie.
“However, there’s no denying this opinion is subjective to some extent: I happen to place greater value on freedom and quality of life over higher levels of safety”
Well yes, sort of. It is subjective but that’s why if you’re a government you have a measure that is transparent – like using QALYS to ration healthcare. The fact is that no cost-benefit analysis was done, and I’ve never seen a coherent one from pro-lockdown people – they jusy hold it as self-evident that saving covid lives at all costs is the only moral choice.
Also I agree that I value over freedom over safety, and would do even if greater safety could be bought by having less freedom, but the fact is that it’s the ILLUSION of safety that has been sold to people.
Finally, any cost benefit analysis has to include something on the cost side for lost freedom, otherwise it’s simply nonsense. If someone offered you 1 day in prison in return for some increase in longevity you’d take it, maybe, but you wouldn’t if it they wanted to lock you up for 50 years.
I honestly thought prohibition would be virtually impossible to implement in this country, but we are within touching distance of it now.
Spot on + anyone who thinks the actual Communist Susan Michie should be advising Government is as demented as she is !!!
German journalists doing their job:-
https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1358527671613980673
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WoGLwCAwpQdv5VgBlSsnwi_kWPrGSB430OybYz2vqXU/edit
PANIC PAPER!!! just like we had in the UK…EARTHSHAKING SCANDAL INDEED!!!
Is this the works of Reiner Fuellmich and co?
Wancock committedly evading question of whether they are going for zero covid
As there has never been any kickback to any of Wancock’s measures he just keeps pushing more and more draconian rules, introducing even more SI’s. Not only is there no kickback from the population, the majority of MP’s go along with no debate or votes.
zero Wancock would be a more effective public health policy
How things change when the British vax comes under attack.
Last week they were saying the South African variant was the biggest danger to the UK. This meant ordering a million people to get tested ASAP. But now…
As usual, ‘modelling’ tells them blah, blah; not empirical data… modelling.
Does anyone think if during the briefings somebody said today is Wednesday, everyone would agree and any journalist there would not question it?
Yup!
The Q&A would probably be focused on the dangerous sceptics who say it’s Monday.
If you watch carefully you can see them looking at the lectern for their answers to the scripted questions.
It is about as authentic as blind date.
As we have seen throughout the science is made to fit the desired political solution not the other way around.
The Wizard of Oz
South African variant (or some other variant) won’t catch up until everyone in the UK’s been vaccinated against the current variant. Then it will be ‘woops, sorry, new variant means we can’t end lockdowns, gotta lockdown until we can develop a new vaccine!’ Repeat ad infinitum.
They are brilliant spin doctors
Not really, because we’re seeing right through this nonsense.
It makes no difference, we are the only people who can remember last week’s news.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9236367/Moment-worker-tells-police-officer-f-lockdown-flouting-cafe.html
Glad this made MSM. Gutted comments are turned off!
The police are doing themselves no favours, their reputation has total gone in my opinion, the policeman in the video comes across as a common thug.
I think that copper was on drugs, he seemed out of control, his arms were swinging about like a punch drunk boxer.
Could possibly be no comments for legal reasons (ie, sub judice) but probably also because of the level of disgust that will be shown for the police and govt. That said, I reckon there would still be a lot of comments along the lines of ‘that disease-spreader deserves all he gets’ etc.
A thought experiment:
Imagine if, in March 2020, each person in the UK (say, 67 million) had been given £5,000 to be spent over the course of a year, with the brief to use it to improve their physical and / or mental health. Thus, this might have been spent on healthier food, mental health support, accessing a gym, buying a bicycle, using a personal trainer, healthy eating advice, learning to cook, support to loose weight, or whatever. That would have cost £335 billion pounds. On the other hand, it might have brought enormous long-term benefit to many individuals, and also to society by reducing the long-term demand for health services.
The cost of £335 billion is very considerably less than the £450 billion which the Bank of England has ‘printed’ since March in the form of quantitative easing to ‘help the economy during the Covid 19 pandemic.’
What if everyone had been given health insurance to use for non urgent treatment at private hospitals, how much better would the NHS be, rather than just throwing money at the NHS? Similar systems work in other countries.
I think that idea a much better one. Then again, none of our government ministers nor their chums would have made a fortune out of this Covid scamdemic.
I realise this is inconvenient to your argument, but a great deal of money paid for private healthcare ends up in the NHS’ pockets. Because of the way things are structured, there are vast areas of medicine that the private sector simply don’t do. Pretty much any neurosurgery for starters.
If you get a brain tumour, Bupa will pay the NHS to get you an operation date, operate on you, accommodate you on an NHS ward and provide your outpatient aftercare.
Because the NHS makes it completely financially unviable for a private provider to play in this area of medicine.
yeh, well it was never really about health, was it
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/public-health-totalitarianism/
In a nutshell.
Continuing the presser:
This does my head in. The BBC asking about scary headlines. Van Tam (i.e. SAGE) says he wishes they weren’t scary; this from the two biggest scaremongering crews in the UK.
Haha, yes. Makes you wonder if these people have any sense of irony!
I think SAGE got a game of COVID monopoly in their Christmas secret santa. I’m just waiting for the Mayfair variant.
The French and Americans are scaring their population with the English variant.Can people not see what a scam this is.
Wancock’s scare stories backfiring on him.
I think it’s more a control measure.We are a bogeyman to both the French and the Americans.South African is exotic enough to elicit a fear response in us Brits.
I have absolutely no idea how it scares them. Their minds are completely warped by the propaganda.
Just looking at the face of Van Tampax scares me. He doesn’t need to actually say anything.
Do they ever listen to themselves?
Well, at Nuremberg 2 they will have to.
I posted this as a reply but I think this deserves a separate topic. This is a paper by two pharmacology professors that argues that informed consent for the Covid vaccination cannot be given unless people are properly informed about the very real dangers of antibody dependent enhancement. What are the chances of people being told about this prior to vaccination? I’m reminded of the old joke about there being 2 chances – slim and none, and slim’s just left town! The idiot media continues to rant on about how vaccines might not work with new variants but completely fails to mention the possibility that the vaccines might actually make the disease caused by any new variant worse, possibly fatally so.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ijcp.13795
Just mention very real dangers of antibody dependent enhancement to the common person and they will look at you blankly.
I have a little medical knowledge as I have an A-level in Autonomy and Physiology as I trained in reflexology and have an interest in medicine and how the body works.
I have watched Bhakdi and many other doctors/scientists, and read scientific publications, and by spending HOURS looking into this that I understand that sentence.
Most people probably do not even know how a conventual vaccine works, so how are they supposed to understand this?
Most people see the word vaccine and that is good enough for them to put their unbridled faith in it.
Sadly that is true.
Coz that’s what they have been prepped to believe by decades of aggressive vaccine marketing. For most it’s like popping two Nurofens… what could possibly go wrong?
Silke, A level in Autonomy and Physiology? Should that be Anatomy and Physiology?
DavidC
Sie ist Deutsch, David.
yes – there are bad things afoot…. try and protect your loved ones until it is sorted out.
Informed consent would involve weighing the risk of having the ‘vaccine’ against the risk of not having it. Since a majority of the public have been brainwashed by the government into a state of hysteria about the risks of Covid, and most people appear to have little understanding of the risks of gene therapy, it would seem that the possibility of informed consent is ruled out.
Went with my Dad to get his yesterday. The only talk was to ask his name and directing him through the building. Made me a bit more secure about the possibility of Vax passports though. Once your name is crossed out, you can just walk out.
Spot on.
I am now at the start of the seventh month of not being allowed to work, half of March and July ( I count 2 half months of not working as one month), off for April/May/June/November/January, now February. How many Covidians could survive taking that many months off in a year with no compensation as I am one of the excluded 3 million.
I am expecting to be back at work sometime in April by the way things are going, but please god the penny finally drops that Furlough/SEISS is a state handout that cannot be financed forever and we need to get back to work, to earn money, to pay tax, to run our precious NHS.
No chance in hell. Furlough will morph into UBI and will, for millions of people, be the sole source of income for the rest of their lives. Naturally with all the state coercion strings attached (“no jab, no pay” etc.).
Most likely. We’ll see indications of this in the Budget I think. They will certainly prolong furlough beyond April. That said, no definite mentions of another SEISS grant.
The state and a handful of mega corporations will be the only employers within a few years. The term “self-employed” will disappear from our lexicon.
I fear you are right, people haven’t realised what kind of life these bastards have in store for us, but they will eventually.
A living death is what is in store for us. which by definition has to be worse than death itself. Hence I have stopped taking care of my health, because longevity is no longer something to cherish.
Nah. We’ll pay the self-employed tradespeople in eggs, weed, homebrew, apples, car repairs, whatever we’ve got.
SEISS grant runs from feb to April.
Can apply after budget when amount is finalised
And to simply keep sane. Despite what a number of people claim on here I don’t believe many people enjoy sitting round all day watching box sets despite being on 80% pay. People need to work, to be occupied, to have something other than bloody covid to think about.
I didn’t work from March until September.By the end I was crawling the walls despite playing golf and staying by the coast.By the end whatever I did I couldn’t relax.
That being said I wasn’t one of the 3 million who have fallen through the cracks.I don’t know how they are surviving.
As long as the government actively bans certain businesses from working it has to continue furlough.
Don’t forget the warning about “unsustainable businesses”
Just listening to the Richie Allen Show. He’s interviewing Luc of the Kate and Luc Cafe in Burnage, Manchester.
Luc says that he’ll lose his home in the next month if he has to shut up shop. He has two young kids. We all know how ruinous and cruel these restrictions are, but stories like this really do bring it home. Sickening.
There must be so many other small businesses owners in this position. If they all did what this brave man is attempting, there’d be nothing that the police, Hancock, Sturgeon etc could do.
The police always say ‘hey, I’m just doing my job’. Yeah? By stopping other people from doing theirs?
Hard to understate how much trouble we’re in if this utterly appalling nonsense continues for much longer.
Is there a go fund page?
Second this. I’d happily support this Luc could become a face of the resistance for businesses.
I’d also like to see them put a canvas poster out front highlighting the financial ruin he is facing. Put it front in centre in his shop.
Check out the Great Reopening channel on Youtube, IIRC they said they will be publishing details of a subscription for this gentleman when it becomes available. He is sueing the police apparently.
I believe also the collar numbers of the police constables involved are also mentioned on some of the videos, but no idea if they are correct.
He is the new Che Guevara
Yes, that would be a good thing to do, if Luc hasn’t set one up could someone else for him and we give him the donations. It would be good to show strength of feeling for people suffering
I really admire Luc and Kate, people just dont understand how horrific it is to be dumped in it, a business you have built up over years with hard work and passion, taken from you through no fault of your own with none/very little compensation. It is pure evil, we all deserve to be able to work and support ourselves, how dare they take that ability from us. For me it has been the worst part of the pandemic, there are huge gaps in support, some recieving substantial grants they dont need, and others getting very little or nothing.
Totally agree, this government couldn’t manage a whelk stall (no disrespect to whelk stall owners) let alone a country. MPs are no better, save for a valiant few, all of them should be recalled and dumped. They obviously don’t give a toss about their constituents.
Do we know the name of ‘officer’ who threw the punch?
I expect its easy to find that out for people living around that part of the country. His hi viz jacket would of course cover up his police number but he was wearing his mask under his nose, his features were identifiable.
Somebody posted his number in the Youtube comments.
That’ s great! You see what happens when the people come together, you can get results! Sometimes social media can be a force for good!
Hancock saying he wants to ‘immunise over 50’s by the end of April’. This is hell. If they are immune what is the problem. Oh they are not immune. That is the problem. Language arbitrage.
And then the over 40s, the over 30s and so on until the next vaccine is ready. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
Next few months will get messy. I reckon they will struggle to offer the pfizer vaccine to those returning for a second dose. Take up will become very patchy for under 70s and the negative press for oxford/astra vaccine will add fuel to the fire.
Well they’ve bought them all now, what else are they going to do with them?
Stack them up alongside the Tamiflu.
Stick em in the Cabinet and members of Sage!
Special megadoses too for Herr Kneelalot, Sadist Khan, the NHS and PHE execs.
N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland can have the surplus and use on their great leaders as they see fit.
‘Language arbitrage’ – I like that!
DavidC
So hancock wants people to book themselves in instead of being invited. Any chance this is a ploy to reduce future liability if things go wrong with the vaccine i.e you gave consent to be part of the trial by booking yourself in.
I didn’t watch. Is it possible they are not getting as many people in the queue as they want?
That was mentioned a couple of days ago, the figures have been manipulated for everything else so saying more people have been jabbed than actually have wouldn’t surprise me.
Its to make you think you are being selfish.
I am afraid I cannot bear to watch that wanker, I am just speculating based on the quotes that I have seen.
One-eyed crying is a symptom of Bell’s Palsy.
Or Bill’s Patsy?
Think so. From the Daily Mail today:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9236465/Covid-vaccine-centre-Hackney-forced-close-early-really-low-uptake.html
Comments still moderated on that one I presume. Lots of “no jab, no NHS treatment” nutters last time I looked.
How about ‘No brain, no NHS treatment’ – since it’s pointless?
Not this one then https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9236835/Hundreds-frail-elderly-people-forced-queue-freezing-cold-receive-Covid-jabs.html
But doesn’t Hackney have a high BAME population who seem to be more pragmatic about being poisoned by an unlicensed bunch of chemicals and Plymouth is mostly white and of an older demographic who are all “dying” to be jabbed?
Hackney is a mixture of middle class liberals and Afro Caribbean
I can’t believe people were stupid enough to join the queue in the first place. They really are beyond hope!
They ought to pillory Mutt Hamitup, Simon Stevens and all the members of Sage for a couple of hours in this weather and see if things improve.
Those naughty BAMES again? High time they Played Their Part.
No doubt it is an Rs covering exercise.
Albert Einstein
Those who have the privilege to know have the duty to act.
The Great Coronavirus Swindle (odysee.com)
Never mind about No Jab No Job, How about No Work No Pay! This is with regard to the education of our children.
Hear! Hear!
OMG, headline in today’s paper: Canadian Experts Warm to Mix and Match Covid Vaccine Scenarios
“The idea would involve supplementing a first dose of a messenger-RNA vaccine produced by Pfizer or Moderna, both of which are authorized in Canada, with a second dose of an adenovirus vaccine from either AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson. The latter two are currently under review by Health Canada regulators along with a protein-based vaccine developed by Novavax.”
What could possibly go wrong???? The “expert” thinks it’ll be easy to recruit 800 volunteers for a clinical trial. The bloody sheeple don’t even realize they’re already part of a clinical trial by taking one of the “vaccines” in the way the manufacturer intended. Then due to shortages the “experts” decided spacing out the doses beyond what the manufacturer recommended. Now we’re mixing and matching mRNA with a bit of adenovirus or protein-based thrown into the mix and talking about it as if we’re merely mixing and matching tops and bottoms from our closets to put together an outfit. What’s next, child sacrifice? Oh yeah, we’re already doing that.
I’ve tried mixing with ciders. Trust me it doesn’t work
Thanks for taking one (or more, presumably) for the team, Cecil.
They don’t give a shit who takes what and when. All that matters is as many people as possible have the first shot to entrap them in the lifelong vaccination programme. Refuseniks to be eliminated.
I think it’s more indicative that the vaccines don’t do anything particularly special.
Wait till the ADE’s start!
“Don’t mix your drinks”, my mum used to tell me if I was going to a party.
I heard this advertised on Talk Radio and wanted to see it in writing. I’m doing a screen shot as this may go down the memory hole in the months/years to come.
‘Jabs Army’ volunteer Covid vaccination campaign called for by the Sun newspaper. Objective: ‘help the country return to normal life’.
Presumably no date of ‘return’ has, nor ever will, be set.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13736572/boris-johnson-sign-up-to-jabs-army/
Couple of months ago here’s a SAGE member saying he has “confidence” there will be a return to normal Spring time…we shall see indeed..
https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/sir-john-bell-who-regius-professor-and-member-government-vaccine-taskforce-and-why-does-he-think-life-will-be-normal-spring-3031650
If we want normal back then we are going to have to take it back.
That’s the only way this ends.Orwell said no one seizes power with the intention of giving it back.Our present regime will never end this and with the mutations they have devised a forever war against Covid.
Might not be a bad role to have. Imagine the possibilities. Doesn’t need spelling out.
There’s a theory that the serial killer Reginald Christie volunteered as a War Reserve Constable because of the ‘possibilities’.
Or did you mean sceptical possibilities, ie, giving out leaflets – that would be a laugh!
Definitely sceptical ones. Especially if/when passports become a thing.
Job for life now that they plan to vaccinate everyone every year to deal with all those scary mutants.
Just watching sport and story about referee getting threats etc on “social media” because of a couple of dodgy decisions over the last couple of days. The usual thing. Police involved, media wringing hands. Just stay off social media – its full of idiots.
But unfortunately this is the population that are leading the whole covid thing. MSM, Government, NHS etc are all trying to please Social media and the retards on there . And that is where the misinformation is also coming from .
Want to stay sane? Stay off Arsewipe, Twatter etc
Good advice.If you don’t want to stink, don’t play in the sewers.
testing update. premiere league just announced that last round of testing, 2000+ tests,
2 – that is Two – positive .
So that is 0,1% ..
We are all going to die!!!!!!!.
But seriously, what are they doing different ?
Its bonkers. Then again premier league means big money and they do have some power.
False positives almost certainly.
There doesn’t seem much actual football going on at the moment. Maybe the pundits could start talking about vaccinations instead?
‘Well Ron, that was a lovely smooth action by the doctor there, despite some token defence he jabbed it in right to the back of the vein!’
‘Yes Ron, as we all know, Doolallio and Agadoodoo are players of great skill, but the two nurses there used the four-four-two formation to make mincemeat of the opposition’s front line and rammed that syringe home before you could say ‘South African variant.’
‘Very true, Ron. I think Bill Gates will be a happy man in his private box this evening!’
The Vuelta (Tour of Spain) conducted fifteen hundred tests and all were negative. I wonder how they managed to deal with the false positive problem.
LFT?
They only did 5 PCR cycles.
Sensible number of PCR cycles?
We’ve just had a phone call from our GP surgery,which we didn’t answer,never had a call from them so late in the day,presumably want to ask us if we would like a vial or two of the snake oil.If I do speak to them I will be referring them to today’s episode of UK Column News as an explanation of my resounding ‘no thanks’,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr8u6x-WlPc
No need to give a reason. Just say ‘no’; that’s your right as a free man.
Mine rang yesterday 7pm. Very amicable when told not interested, she said she’ll take me off the list so I’m not bothered again.
They rang you at 7pm on Sunday??
We had one a few days ago. Said we would wait and see developments. She said to ring them if we changed our minds.
If we do change our minds I would just book online.
Funny how they can find the manpower and the will to ring people about the vaccine, but not to discharge any of their other duties. Mine can’t even seem to manage repeat prescriptions any more without reminders.
I’ve thought about that call, and I think there are only 2 ways to deal with it: either play dumb or lie [eg, you’ve already had it; you’ve got an allergy] the danger in openly speaking out is getting sectioned under the Mental Health Act, in which case it’s your body, their choice – instantly. Otherwise – which I am now seriously considering – remove yourself from the NHS altogether: what’s to lose? if you get some REAL illness, they’re not going to treat it anyway, are they: face it, we are now living without any medical care
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtsGoSQUcAEZIBf?format=jpg&name=small
Got bored so sent this e-mail to Neil Ferguson:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCimqwFAVYp1hV8d_n?e=UFDhhY
The e-mail neil.ferguson@imperial.ac.uk does work as I got his auto reply.
The start of the e-mail:
Will post any reply.
Also in Walsall today, quite a few new 5G towers around.
Just re-reading confessions of an economic hit man by John Perkins. How they distributed global empire around the globe, their ruthless approach and if they didn’t succeed entrapping countries into the debt trap, the “jackals” would come in to finish the job (=CIA trained assassins). Ferguson is a hit man for the global empire aka the pharmaceutical branch and I hope one day he’ll be roasted on a spit braai.
People without any symptoms queued for almost 2 hours in the freezing cold to be tested at 6 ways stadium in Worcester.
TOSSERS!
they failed the test
IQ test?
Lemmings gonna lemming.
Anybody remember a character from a comic called (I think) Alexander Lemming who loved nothing more than a good plummet?
The Beano!
DavidC
Omg! He looks like the Skeggy fisherman bloke!
Thanks.
Calamity James’s sidekick. Brilliant strip. Quite adult & surreal humour
Also had a lots of small squelchy things that added to the entertainment
Perhaps if this mass testing does not bring the positives they hope for and rather finds few positives it will be a way of discrediting mass testing and we can hope it will stop. Fingers crossed this backfires on them.
Sigh !
how difficult is this ? The numbers are completely made up .
Covid test for beginners (again)
1, take an entirely inappropriate method and call it a test
2.the “test” is used to compare to a computer modelled control/benchmark “particle”
3.the test can be calibrated to “look” harder or “look” more vaguely for said “particles “(cycle threshold)
4.test results constantly liable to reinterpretation and misinterpretation and the cycle threshold of the “test” is put up or down depending on the desired levels of hysteria to be generated in the population.
I don’t get this on so many levels. Surely being out for 2 hours for no good reason (no symptoms = don’t need a test in my book) makes you a selfish, granny killing covidiot? How many people will have caught your invisible Covid in the queue?
I live in Worcester. When I wrote to the local paper re masks that there was no persuasive evidence they work & the govt should publish a summary of the evidence and link to the research studies I was denounced as a conspiracy theorist and a plague rat. Fair play to the editor he printed the letter and purged abusive comments from the online version. I really thought people would see the stupidity of masks-more fool me.
Tossers…a good term which I’m starting think unfortunately sums up the majority of people in this country…
I am a supporter of ‘focussed protection’ where we lock up the Public Health weirdos to protect wider society
This evening on the Coronavirus briefing Matt Hancock asserted that going on holiday is illegal.
Never mind holidays, as far as I can tell organising a thought is now illegal.
Depending on how you interpret the SIs, it is, though they are a bit vague
As it is his SI, one would have thought he would know.
WTF?!
DavidC
It was back in March 2020, and again in the last round of national restrictions, and again now, depending on whether the list of reasonable excuses is supposed to be exhaustive
I’m looking forward to the over 50s (of which I am one) being offered the jab. I won’t have one myself but many friends of mine will (I suppose). It will be fun telling them they seem different – their pupils a little dilated – ‘look spaced out’ – not quite the person I used to know, ‘your new twitch’ etc
don’t answer the phone unless you recognise the number – in a few months, when its vax passport time – tell them you had yours at asda
That’s my plan. I’m going to kick off and say that it’s not my fault that they don’t have a record of it, but if they think I’m going through it all again, they’re wrong. In fact I regard it as positively incompetent that they haven’t got my name down. Given how early on it is in the testing, I’m shocked my name isn’t down. Blah-blah! My surgery already loathe me.
Just sent an e-mail to Gibraltar asking the same questions I ahve asked our lot of numpties but had no answer yet:
Below is some information and questions about the Pfizer “vaccine” that I have asked the UK Government amongst others but no-one has answered as yet.
As Gibraltar is using the same “vaccine” maybe you could throw some light on the subjects.
I’ve been sent this document:
https://1drv.ms/b/s!Agv7JEO8MngCilGChNyzzU2yjA2S?e=4rQ2FT
It’s about this:
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BioNTech
BNT162b2, 5’capped mRNA encoding full length SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein
Interesting reading, I understand the following statement to mean that these ingredients are NOT certified for use in a vaccine:
All excipients except the functional lipids ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 and the structural lipid DSPC comply to Ph. Eur. grade.
The functional lipid excipients ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 are classified as novel excipients.
Both structural lipids DSPC and cholesterol are used in several already approved drug products. DSPC is used in several products approved in the EU (Marqibo, Doxil, Ambisome, Onpattro), though not by the same route of administration
Further justification that DSPC is not a novel excipient is requested.
And:
ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 are novel excipients, not previously used in an approved drug product within EU.
So the Pfizer is not just unlicensed but containes ingredients that have never been approved for use in a vaccine or approved for use in any way.
So why do “they” think it’s safe?
And the accepted definition of a vaccine is defined in the Cambridge Dictionary as:
“a substance containing a virus or bacterium in a form that is not harmful, given to a person or animal to prevent them from getting the disease that the virus or bacterium causes”
For example the tetanus and Yellow fever vaccinations.
It has been stated publicly by Government Ministers and advisors that the “covid/coronavirus” vaccines will NOT:
– stop you getting the virus
– stop you spreading the virus
– it MAY make the symptoms slightly less
Question – if the “covid/coronavirus” injection DOES NOT meet the accepted definition of a vaccine as it does not stop you catching the virus and does not stop the spread of the virus and why is it called a vaccine when it is clearly not a vaccine?
please cc in the Gibraltar Chronicle
I think the panorama would possibly be more interested they always seemed happier to go down a rabbit hole.
not this rabbit hole
Not a chance of the Beeb touching an ‘anti-vax’ story.
Out of interest, have you asked anyone why these vaccines have been approved when there are proven treatments available? If so, I’d love to hear what they replied.
Because if they described it accurately, it would be a medication and would have had to be licensed before use?
..or even more accurately, ‘lethal injection’…
https://twitter.com/Sacha_Lord/status/1358845769487425543?s=20
bloody brilliant – there are a lot of good people who rely on the pub for their social contact – a fucking human right!!!
Will probably be done properly as well unlike Simon Dolan’s which seemed a little haphazard.
Simon Dolan paved the way….
He did. Didn’t get a fair hearing though.
This is more cut-and-dried than Dolan’s, which tackled the huge topic of illegal mockdown. Plenty of room for legal maneuverings there.
This can be kept much tighter and on point. FIngers crossed!
Did it? Didn’t his case focus on weddings to ensure it didn’t end up too broad?
Wow: that suggests that there are at least small areas of ‘our’ justice system that have not yet been totally corrupted!
at least this time HMG wont able to use ‘our lawyer is holiday’ excuse
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/kentucky-is-on-the-road-to-prohibiting-mandator-covid-vaccinations/
One for Awkward Git: https://youtu.be/Sr8u6x-WlPc?t=3178
52:27 – Freedom Of Information Control Operation?
Sources:
**********
“i” Article: – https://bit.ly/2N6nZQi
Art of Darkness Report: – https://bit.ly/3tEJgBh
I was thinking about the comments on Prof Zapp (Tim Proctor) yesterday and today.
What it think is that the thinking of many of these scientists needs to be seen within the context of their narrow speciality and this of course applies to the scientists advising the Govt, alongside a recognition that the medical aspects of our lives do not generally supercede other considerations.
Unless you know quite a lot about the 1983 Mental Health Act, you possibly wouldn’t be aware that it introduced the role of Approved Social Worker, who had to be a non-medical person. The ASW played the major role in detaining patients – they made the application, if appropriate, and this was then supported by recommendations of two suitably qualified doctors. Therefore if the ASW (non medical person) did not make the application, the person could not be detained (“sectioned”). There was at the time of the the legislation an understanding of the limits of the “medical model” in mental illness, as well as the consequences of this model applied to patients without the required restraint. Whilst psychiatry had an important role, the social aspects of mental disorder had to be considered too.
In the amendment to the Act, the ASW role changed to AMHP (approved mental health practitioner) and this person could actually be a nurse (ie a medically qualified person). It seemed to me then that this was a step in the wrong direction because it forgot about what most of us can now recognise as medical tyranny, undiluted.
“How can the NHS which burns through £1 billion every 3 days (£333 million a day) with 1.2 million employees need “protecting”?
It needs a massive reorganisation. It gets ripped off on every contract. There is no accountability. Truly time to look at other ways to treat people”.
it’s not fit for purpose – despite the excellent efforts of many good people within
Polemic from Al Jahom:
“So Captain Tom ended up emptying the nation’s pockets of more than 20 million quid that was then given to the NHS so they could buy new iPads for their executive leadership teams.
The NHS is the 5th largest employer in the world. The budget for NHS England – just England – in 20/21 is more than £200BILLION. The whole UK treasury tax take in 2019 was £634BILLION. Money taken out of your paypacket on pain of imprisonment. The NHS in England has eaten a third of the whole UK budget for the year.
And still people are having their routine care cancelled. You can’t see a GP, you can’t get a dentist/hygenist appointment, you can’t get your suspicous lump diagnosed, you can’t get your cancer treated, your heart disease identified or your stroke prevented. Meanwhile the internet is wall-to-wall fat nurses doing TikTok dancing.
Thursday nights saw millions of brain donors on their doorsteps banging pots and pans to thank the NHS for all this benificence. And so the media mobilised Tom Moore to shakedown the British public for another £20million to pour into the bottomless pit.
Did you give any money to this absurd campaign? You’re a dickhead. Look at your last P60. A third of that money you paid in tax? That’s what you already gave to the NHS last year.
Clap for the NHS, donate to the NHS. Mobilise the WW2 veteran to give £20M of extra free money to the monster. Fuck off.
Perhaps if the money he had raised went to people who lost a relative in one of the care homes that was infested with Covid thanks to the NHS. Or people who have terminal cancer which could have been treated if it had been caught in 2020. Or people who couldn’t be at their loved one’s side as they died, or couldn’t give them the funeral that would have honoured their lives. Or people who lost their jobs and businesses, yet still had to find a grand down the back of the sofa to buy each of their kids a laptop for home-schooling because teachers were afraid of missing an opportunity to sit on their sofas watching Quincy.
And now, honorary Captain Tom has sadlidied at the tender age of 100.
He went into an NHS hospital. He contracted covid in the NHS hospital. He died in the NHS hospital with the covid he caught in the NHS hospital.
No doubt, if it weren’t for covid, he’d have lived to a ripe old age, instead of being cut down in his prime like that.”
A contender for best post of the day I would say, not least for the vigorous way it expresses the bitterness most of us feel at the sheer hypocrisy embedded in this whole mess.
Yes that was actually exhilarating.
Top observations. !
It’s going to be reorganised, it is being reorganised now behind the scenes.
it is part of the agenda. It’s going to be built back better , unfortunately that won’t mean how it used to be only better , it means completely different.
One of the main drivers of the scamdemic is the total reorganisation of most of the state run activities.
It’s all about AI and a massive reliance on biotech, biometrics and real-time monitoring. THAT is why everyone needs to be drawn in to the system via the vax programs and the apps.
Research the NHS management websites and associated quangos, also the likes of Imperial College etc etc , they all have huge inputs into this aspect of the build back better agenda.
and this is just one aspect of the convulsions going on unseen.
If the current AI systems used by the NHS are anything to go by, it will be a complete shambles.
Looks like the GoFundMe is up for Kate & Luc’s:
Kate & Luc Cafe and their fight for freedom
Thanks, just chipped in. They’ve already raised over £2000 in an hour!
But if it’s a small claim (<£10,000) in the county court for harassment, assault and a few other matters, anyone who can write English can do it. No need to pay a lawyer anything. In small claims you can’t get your costs back either even if you win.
Thanks for link – donated .
3k plus now!!
6K now!
Felt great donating. Fuck this government!
My town centre now has a mobile testing centre (aka a tent).
OH reports that two ladies walked past, one turned to the other and said, “What do you think? It’d be nice to know you didn’t have it, wouldn’t it?”
If you don’t know you’ve got it, because you’re not ill, what does it matter if a test says that you do have it? Will you suddenly develop deadly symptoms when you didn’t have any before?
And how long does a negative test give someone like that reassurance? Twenty-four hours? Two or three days? Then they’ll have to go back for more.
I think it’s because people have confused Covid with some deadly disease like cancer. Therefore Covid tests are like cancer screening or tests. If you get the ‘all clear’ it’s a reason for celebration.
I think that’s a factor, yes. The notion of driving in some cases many hours’ round trip feeling perfectly fine, to test if you have a potentially lethal virus, is lost on a lot of people.
But no test is 100%, even cancer tests are hardly foolproof. Recent example in my local news (Kent) some poor lady had her body wrecked with chaemo for over 18 months, only to be told – whoops, your test was wrong. you were perfectly healthy all along, sorry ’bout that.
Not an isolated incident, they gave other examples of people, many of whom have had life-altering surgery, only to be told the same thing, ‘oh yeah, you didn’t have cancer after all, sorry did someone forget to tell you that??’!
This is a similar message to the one being put out at work. Come and get tested and you’ll feel so much safer. Personally I feel much safer without all this so called “safety” stuff going on.
I kept getting texts to “play my part” in keeping other people SAFE (hate that bloody word so much now!) by having regular Convid tests! I blocked them.
If someone tells you to “stay safe” tell them to “stay free”. It was Stanley Baldwin who led the country with the slogan “safety first”, and it was his weak lack of resolve, his fear of the totalitarians that led directly to WW2.
there’s a ‘stay safe’ prick comes in the shop – my reply, ‘live life’
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Are they confusing it with Aids or Syphilis?
So many people I know, who I thought were sane, reasoned, educated and rational, are positively throwing themselves at test centres for regular testing even though there is nothing bloody wrong with them! And many now are starting to get the vax with absolutely no idea about it, not even which one they’ve been jabbed with! More and more people are dropping off my radar. They’re already so bloody brainwashed. I know they’ll refuse to see me eventually because I refuse to take that poison.
I feel the same way as I am sure many others do too.
So as the vaccination programme has been so successful for the vulnerable that must mean there is now no danger of the NHS being overwhelmed and we can drop all restrictions yes? After all they were only implemented to “Save the NHS” weren’t they? I mean that’s what it says on all the posters and adverts. So what are we waiting for?
The mass of the jabs will have taken place by spring. Coupled with (hopefully) nice weather, it’s going to be much harder to keep people in lockdown. If permanent lockdowns is the objective, they will have to move fast to create a new scare before people start getting too close to the smell of normality to go back into prison again.
New ebola outbreak in the Congo (I kid you not!)
Do you think the Congolese would take Wancock, Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson as a job lot?
Whitty would be no stranger to them . As Chief Science advisor to the foreign aid section of the Govt he wa involved in several medical programmes, malaria, ebola, sleeping sickness. He probably did some good – lets credit it him with that , but from his papers of that time I get the impression that his approach to Covid in UK is based on what he proposed for ebola epidemics. Lockdown was a feature I seem to recall.
Makes sense for a small ebola outbreak in an isolated village. Doesn’t quite work the same in London.
Worth a try.
We might get away with throwing in a dozen or more behavioural scientists and narrative manipulators to sweeten the pot, as well. Just tell them “everyone knows” that’s what you really need to deal with infectious disease problems.
Can you look me in the eye and say this was about saving the NHS
No!
Always all about saving the PM, cabinet and SAGE
Much has been said about Bunter and his brand of cowardly arse covering politics, laced with green madness but Starmer really is a pig in a poke isn’t he. He is even worse than this government, a very well educated fool. Today’s rantings were even more stupid than the repeated track and trace(control) lunacy.
He is already a busted flush. In this year vs Pfeffel. Very poor. Labour would do well to get shot.
Starmer and his dysfunctional labour party are partially culpable – but the buck stops with the blond buffoon, cant blame ‘the committee’ decisions, he was definitely not the man of the hour – he is an abject failure
book learnings does not equal sense
Bought and paid for globalist like Johnson.Rockefeller stooge.
I have posted this before but I think it bears repeating; when it comes to Johnson, Starmer, Hancock, Witty etc I cannot think of a better description than Kryten’s defence speech for Rimmer in Red Dwarf;
he was a lowly grease monkey… a zero… a nothing… a piece of sputum floating in the toilet bowl of life. Yet he could never come to terms with a lifetime of under achievement, his absurdly inflated ego would never permit it. He was like the security guard on the front gate who considers himself head of the corporation……
A man so petty and small minded that he would while-away the evening sewing name-labels onto his ship issue condoms. A man of such awesome stupidity, an over zealous trumped up little squirt….. an incompetent vending machine repair man with a Napoleon complex…
Who would permit this man, this joke of a man, this man who could not outwit a used tee-bag, to be in a position where he might endanger the entire crew? who …. only a yoghurt!
Apt description of Krankie and the rest of the Spiteful Nannying Party.
“Frank, get the door!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNdMuuF4uDM&t=4
2 funny things about that video.
1. Even with the subtitles I’m sure a lot of my friends here will have no idea what she’s saying.
2. Much as I hate to say it, credit to Krankie for using the “Frank, get the door!” line. She’s obviously seen/had sent to her plenty of these videos that take the piss out of her.
Hate to have to keep pointing this out ,but for anyone who still thinks this is just a bunch of incompetent politicians out of their depth, the reality is the agenda is ongoing, they are determined and it’s not going away.
The politicians etc may well be motivated by what they think is for the best but they are attempting to lead us to a new way of living without bothering to give us a say.
The ideology they all have is deeply ingrained and we are outsiders.
Here’s a small background quote on Johnson snr.
Stanley went on to do various adventurous jobs, before working for the billionaire John D Rockefeller III, the World Bank, the United Nations and the European Union.
The only hope is for enough people worldwide to refuse the vax.
Regular mandatory vaccination is key to the agendas that are in play .
What outcome do they want from that?
We are up against a political class, and with that a embedded commentariat and most civil society organisations, determined to force change for as they may see it beneficial outcomes.
What’s worse is that the real string pullers are out of sight but essentially are controlling the direction .
Afoot is nothing less than a complete reorganisation of humanity and the way the human world functions.
The evidence for this is unpalatable and seems wildly incredible to most people but the unprecedented events that are ongoing are nothing more than the latest moves towards a system of world control/governance by a select finaco-technocratic elite which has been planned for and incrementally built for decades.
The out come for most will be reduced living standards, some existing generations particularly the middle ages and those 15-30 will be worse hit during the transitional period of the next 10 +/- years. What that means is less personal security, less life chances, less travel,less consumption. More confinement more control , more having to appease minor state apparatchiks for permits to do simple activities.
It also means the removal of personal autonomy and the “financialisation” of life itself.
Education on up , every part of life is to be turned into incentive-reward investment opportunities.
Think this is crazy ???
For a good introduction watch Alison Mcdowell , who ? yes , not a household name, just a concerned lefty mom from Philly, been uncovering the game for years now particularly from an educational background.
This is hard for people to grasp but it’s hiding in plain sight, do some research independently from msm. Avoid the vax. See Dolores Cahill et al.
https://ugetube.com/watch/many-dying-in-israel-following-the-experimental-pfizer-covid-mrna-injections_CyfRG1LfenGy22J.html
Play it load on your car radio whilst being stationary outside a busy place,
Greater Manchester Plod are an absolute disgrace. They are trying to turn the events during the cafe incident on their head by saying the owner only ‘appears to be struck by a police officer’ and then claiming that the *copper* was assaulted! I kid you not. The video footage/evidence is clear. The cafe owner was simply refusing to be gripped up by the coppers, and the scruffy little boy/mug in uniform lashed out with two (admittedly sloppy) punches. It’s right there in the footage, but Plod must look after their own, even when it means saying up is down, black is white, and 2 + 2 = 5.
https://youtu.be/rN-bjUuwAEg
Just pm’ed you about the fundraiser (link posted here a few comments down)
Remember the Brazilian execution – most of what the police say and leak to the media in the immediate aftermath of a story with bad optics for them is dishonest damage limitation. I’m expecting they’ll backtrack pretty comprehensively once the spotlight is off.
But yes, they are a disgrace. Now imagine the situation if events hadn’t been independently recorded by a score of members of the public and broadcast to the world…..
There were plenty witnesses there
BBCNW at 6.30pm gave the copper’s version of the events linking it with other examples of appalling indiscipline such as some students getting together in Fallowfield and an illegal rave by tenagers somewhere..
Let’s not forget Greater Manchester Police are in special measures, their previous Chief Constable disgraced because of their pathetic record on tackling real and really violent crime. Not that you will get any mention of that from the BBC.
A good job it was videoed to show what REALLY happened.
A bit like the George Floyd video. When the FULL video was released it put a completely different complexion on the whole narrative. In that case the police had showed considerable restraint when dealing with Floyd and his death was (later) found to be due to the amount of drugs he had in his system.
DavidC
The more this farce goes on the more I am reminded of the film ‘Apocalypse Now’ . Colonel Boris Kurtz needs removing. Where is the 1922 committee?
They are part of the problem.
Unfortunately they probably are, fiddling while the country burns
1922 committee are to chicken shit to send Willard to ” terminate his command with extreme prejudice ” .
Sadly yes, as are all our MPs, bar a few, chicken shit would be a complement!
Listen to the sound of desperation:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/08/over-70s-have-not-had-covid-vaccine-urged-come-forward/
BINGO:
Anyone over 70 who has not yet had a Covid vaccine is being urged to come forward in a final push to hit a target to give all the vulnerable jabs by next Monday.
…… Under the Government’s targets, almost 15 million people – including everyone over the age of 70 – should be offered their first vaccine by Feb 15.
Dr Nikki Kanani, the medical director for primary care at NHS England and a practising GP, said: “…. if you are aged 70 and over, and haven’t yet received your vaccine, please come forward and make an appointment as soon as you can. The vaccine is safe, simple, and will offer you and those around you crucial protection against this virus.”
LIAR!
Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, said: “Thanks to the huge efforts of the NHS, volunteers and local authorities we have vaccinated an incredible 12 million vulnerable people so far, including around nine in 10 of all over-70s. We are on track to meet our goal of offering everyone in the top four priority groups a jab.
…. if you have grandparents, relatives and friends over 70, please encourage them to book an appointment as soon as possible so they can be protected against this awful virus.
“Vaccines are the way out of this pandemic and, by ensuring you and your loved ones get booked in for a jab, the NHS can give those most at risk the protection they need as we continue to fight this disease together.”
VOMIT!
Dr Nikki Kanani, eh? The UKColumn did an interesting little piece on her a few months back when people were getting forceful letters (me included) to have the flu jab…despite there not being any flu any longer!
Shame on you for not listening to the experts! Funny that none of them are the least bit contrite for talking up the “twindemic” that wasn’t.
“…. if you are aged 70 and over, and haven’t yet received your vaccine, please come forward and make an appointment as soon as you can. The vaccine is safe, simple, and will offer you and those around you crucial protection against this virus.”
For some reason this brought to mind the scene from Chitty Citty Bang Bang where the Child Catcher is enticing the children out of hiding with sweets.
Don’t think for a minute, JD, that ‘sweeteners’ aren’t already being considered. There was talk of offering students apps and games to get a test done in Sept/Oct.
It’s really only a matter of time.
I wouldn’t put anything past these bastards, C.
£500 for a positive test!
A bag of sand if you end up in intensive care!
Ladies and gentlemen…introudcing the Moss Side variant https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/you-can-coronavirus-test-manchester-19797607
This is really getting tired now. Surely they can come up with a new method of scaremongering?
Once got mugged walking through Moss Side. Those were the days.
Just the once? Are you sure you were there??
A WBA fan I knew along with his mate went to to Manchester to watch a match and asked the way to Maine road; you can guess the rest!
Moss Side – about a mile from Kate & Luc’s cafe. No doubt that’ll form part of the Piers Moron ambush if Luc does appear on the GMB show.
does it come with chili sauce?
I just lost some red wine chuckling at that, mate! That bloody tickled me.
Pack everyone into the rustic Plaza Cafe, Upper Brook Street, near to Moss Side and the virus wouldn’t have lasted five minutes. Their curry sauces had a heat scale starting from ‘hot’ going up to, I think, the very technical description ‘blow your head off’. Alas, no longer there.
I remember getting into a tear up walking through Moss Side when Chelsea played Citeh donkey’s years back. It was carnage, both sides just going at it. They came from all sides. The Moss Side of yesteryear wouldn’t have let a virus dominate their lives.
Got a cab after a game played at Maine Road, towards the end of their time there. Was sitting in the back and the cabbie apologised about the state of the rear driver side door.
He explained that he was driving back alone, late at night through Moss Side and two random bullets went through the rear door. My mate and I laughed thinking it was a joke and he just looked at us as though we were mad.
Still don’t know whether he was winding us up or not
Undoubtedly true.
Our lot came to be friends with some City boys years later, introduced through mutual Glasgow Rangers friends, and one of them grew up on Moss Side. After learning about some of the madness he was once involved in/had witnessed, and after witnessing the tribal nature of the area for myself (akin only to Millwall in my experience), where it seemed like every man and his dog came out to greet us, I’d say your cabbie was telling you a true story.
…and like magic, the state of Iowa magically lifted mask and gathering restrictions:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/super-timing-midwest-state-lifts-all-mask-requirements-gathering-restrictions
It was a tossup between complete nationwide lockdown, or nationwide relaxation of all the rules and fear mongering.
Excellent news. If entire states are doing this, it becomes harder for other states to keep it going, and if the USA goes back to ‘normal’ then it’s harder for countries like the UK to pretend there’s still a pandemic (though of course no doubt they will try).
This is just a function of reducing the pressure now that the Orange man has gone. The Biden benefit will ripple around for months while they fiddle the PCR cycle threshold to suit the required level of hysteria.
It’s not going away.
Yup well spotted. Predicted by a friend in North Carolina months ago. Once Trump is out and the puppet is in, they flip the page over to the next chapter of the playbook and Covid will take a backseat.
WTF! Child cruelty!
What a coincidence!
I didn’t realise how many actors have Covid.
Look them in the eyes and… say, “didn’t I see you in Emmerdale? or was it the Toilet Duck advert?”
Also shared with hubby. He’s coming over to the sceptic side (about time)….slowly slowly catch a monkey.
Your slowly grinding him down, Andrea.
No don’t say that, it’s so Ena Sharples. Slowly showing him the light.
So glad to hear it! I know you were having a hard time there for a while. Mine won’t listen to me talk about it much, but he’s always been on the same page.
Well I know it’s taken longer purely because it’s me saying it to him, if he heard it from someone else (anyone else) he’d be here sooner. But it was actually our awful ‘1 in 3 corona carriers has no symptoms’ advert that brought him closer – he said if there’s no symptoms ‘you’re not exactly ill then are you, what’s the big fuss?’ He’s getting well tee’d off with the restrictions and I’m thinking they’ve shot themselves in the foot with that over propaganda.
Good to hear your guy is on the same page. Nothing worse than the eye roll when you point out something obvious. I’m shocked how many in my circle just don’t get it. Seems OCD hypochondria rules. (And selfish ‘I’m alright Jacks’)
Here’s your favourite Lockdown fanatic Gabriel Scally in 2010, urging you all to get the Swine Flu vax before it kills millions.
Rinse and bloody repeat
https://youtu.be/Hth2eoHixMQ
Yes – that went well didn’t it. And here’s his best mate from the asylum – Anthony Wash Your Hands Wear A Fucking Mask Staines. What the hell is intersexawarenessday supposed to be?
That mask looks effing minging.
its washed every week
I was browsing the forums earlier, and I didn’t recognise one name from this comments section over there. It felt…odd. It would be funny/bizarre if the crowd on the forums was completely different to down here.
that’s where we send the lockdown zealots
I tried the forums once when they were first set up but prefer the comments section as alot of the original people only comment here. Didn’t get on with the forums.
It seems to all be a diversion… like the magician who wants you looking one way while the real stuff is happening elsewhere. Have you noticed how little real news there is now? What is actually going on while everyone is being bamboozled over a fake pandemic?
Preparations for the Grand Solar Minimum would be my best guess. That’s a mini Ice Age to us humble laypeople. Never been tried before with a global technological/industrial civilisation.
Energy is obviously a key factor. The realpolitik players behind the scenes will know full well that renewable energy is a complete non-starter, but will understand that power grids cannot be sustained at current levels for much longer.
Perhaps the lurch towards authoritarian systems of governance all over the formerly free Western world can be better understood if it is known that a catastrophic collapse in the ability to support our current levels of population and living standards is right around the corner, and completely beyond our power to control.
Or you could look at it as a kind of twisted demi-benevolence. What politician would dare to go before the public and say: “There are huge and unstoppable changes in the Earth’s climate coming in the next 20 years – nothing to do with anthropogenic global warming by the way – that will render our current civilisation completely unsustainable. We must reduce our population and resource consumption by 90% in order to guarantee that our species survives into the 22nd century.“
The global seed bank in Norway just popped into my head as another anomalous data point that makes a lot more sense within this wider perspective.
I would still go with the old faithfuls greed and power
I wonder what Piers Corbyn’s take is on this
Mad Max time
…except I wouldn’t have put it as them saving the human race from extinction [they may hope to do that, but either way, it’s probably out of their control] rather it’s more like managing the decline; mitigating the impact; more of a mass euthanasia than a mass genocide… I also assumed that the coming disaster was financial and economic, rather than environmental or natural, but it could be anything
yes, it did cross my mind some time ago that this could be something in the nature of a controlled demolition
It is already an attempt at a controlled economic demolition, but this would provide a reason for it that is more convincing than some of the other alternative narratives. We need to start thinking around two corners to make sense of the insanity.
She most definitely is in my opinion, and TPTB know it too. Global warming – climate change is just a cover for what’s coming. The destruction of the food supply. By the way, considering there’s meant to be be a ban on international air travel, there was plenty of painting of the skies over West Cornwall today. Its just so bloody obvious what they’re doing..
We are in an interglacial period. All indicators show this. In fact the notorious initial IPCC report contained large portions of an earlier report that claimed the biggest threat to humanity was the next ice age! The fact is the world does better in warmer times. Food is cheaper, populations rise, life expectancy extends. Maybe there are those that see this as bad…..
Prestidigitation…. Legerdemain.
Yes, I’d noticed that.
Cancelled my subs to the DT last month because there was nothing worth reading in it. (I only subscribed so I could follow the links posted here.)
They’ve tried to bribe me back with various half-price offers and today, they succeeded with an offer of £1 per month for three months.
However, there’s still no real news there, as far as I can see, so not even worth 25p per week!
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Thanks!
They are prepping the new digital currency rollout and are fighting over resources and control mechanisms over the peasants that will survive ghe vaccine. In between worshipping Bill and Melinda of course.
Chatting to my Polish builder today.
Builder: “It is difficult…everything is difficult now. Because. I have to go to Poland.”
Hoppy: “Oh, ah, I guess that’s tricky now.”
Builder: “Yes. It is difficult. Because of the, because of the..”
Hoppy: “The, the quarantine?”
Builder: “Yes. It is difficult.” then, with a sudden burst of linguistic confidence, “It’s this fucking lockdown.”
It’s amazing, suddenly he expresses himself better than I could
How many times a day do we collectively holler at the TV or radio “It’s because of the fucking lockdown not because of Covid!!!”?
That gets said a lot in this house. It also gets scrawled on any newspaper article or other printed matter that blames a simple virus for the destruction that governments have wreaked upon their people. Covid is just doing what viruses do without conscience design or malice aforethought. It takes incompetent, arrogant, callous politicians and scientists to do the real damage.
Conscious design not “conscience design.” Dammit. Typing too fast and not paying attention.
A few weeks ago I was distributing copies of ‘The Light Paper” to local businesses near me just outside Chester. Many of them are Turkish or Romanian owned. I always introduce myself and go overboard to be tactful, especially when I don’t know the views of the business owners. I explain that the paper presents information that we don’t necessarily hear from the Government, or presents the Government’s information in the context of the overall picture. The owner of a Romanian cafe immediately proclaimed “All they tell us is lies. We should not believe anything they say”. I have had a similar receptive reaction from the Turkish businesses as well. Unfortunately the English and Welsh owners have been largely suspicious of my motives even though their businesses are under threat. Weird and disappointing.
British people do seem to have a blind faith in authority. It’s bizarre.
Yes – there does seem to be a tendency to whine incontinently and continually about ‘politics’ and ‘politicians’ – and then succumb in large part to the most transparent scams.
The foreigners don’t watch our TV – that’s the main thing. It’s a big problem for our Govt.
The Turks and Roumanians lived (and still live) with lies from their ‘government’. Any official statement is assumed to be lies. Sadly in the UK the majority still believe in the oxymoron ‘government facts’.
Some non-natives seem to get the hang of swearing well before the rest of the language – and it is a joy to hear!
Just listening to 6Music and heard commie potato Marc Riley enthusiastically play some dweeb’s demo track singing “I wanna be vaccinated” to the tune of The Ramones “I Wanna be Sedated”.
This is our creative class… volunteers for the power of the state. Rock the fuck on.
Give me Johnny Rotten and Morrissey every day of the week over these conformist numpties.
Was in Morrison’s earlier, saw a guy with a green Mohawk, discharge tee shirt, and a mask…
Priceless!
That’s funny. Rebel with a get-out clause.
I can top that,I saw a man in a convertible with the top down,in the snow,on his own with a mask on.
Must have had a bad case of halitosis? Only kidding, unbelievable!
I can double top that.. ha ha.. Couple sat in a Ford Focus in Lidl’s car park, both masked and ‘NO FEAR’ emblazoned across the top of the windscreen..
I’ve seen motorcyclists and cyclists wearing em.
Stolen from Reddit.
I’ve just heard David Davis talking to JHB on Talk Radio,what an utter twat,says he doesn’t agree with any restrictions after ‘early summer’,another four fucking months of insanity is acceptable to him apparently.
he’s turned into an old man – toast and marmalade then read a book… any understanding of life lost long gone with alzheimers
Totally unacceptable. This is just going to carry on and on and on with the SAGE nutjobs finding yet more excuse for extending lockdown. Our politicians are so gutless. Someone up their needs to develop the courage to tell the truth about the virus, about the risks and about the way forward – because perpetual lockdown is signing this country’s death certificate.
Sage nut jobs are following government orders.
Although LS are not focussing on Israel, sceptics should. Israel is the most Covid-vaccinated country on Earth and about 25% of their population have received the double dose of the Pfizer vaccine.
So it’s all going well is it? Is it hell!
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/why-are-cases-rising-in-israel-the-most-vaccinated-country.html
Times of Israel reported two days ago the R rate and gone back up over 1! This report makes clear cases are rising, hospitalisations remain high and, oddly, young people now seem to be being affected seriously.
Of course because this is an MSM outlet, no questioning of the vaccine is allowed.
So what’s the latest excuse? Well it seems that the problem in Israel is “the British mutation”. That’s the first time I’ve heard that phrase! lol Payback time!! It seems the Pfizer vaccine is no good at dealing with the British mutation…but hang on, it’s the Pfizer vaccine that most people in the UK have received….so…well I’m confused.
It seems to me that if the vaccine doesn’t work well there are always hundreds of Big Pharma apologists ready to come up with any number of excuses.
LS should be applying a magnifying glass to Israel.
I’m guessing the Palestinians wont be lining up for the jab?
They aren’t having the jab and they aren’t dying like the Israelis.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210207100203/https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1358290308757409794
I am no unconditional admirer of the state of Israel but if mRNA vaccinations really do have the potential to cause fatal cytokine storms then that is potentially the end of that country. Vaccinate the oldies but for Jehovah’s sake don’t vaccinate the people of fighting age.
is there a cheap, safe pill that’s been around for decades that could help with this adverse reaction?
From what I understand there is no off switch and no cure.
That’s my understanting too.. its not a vaccine, its gene therapy, genetic engineering.. irreversible.
I was under the impression that the cytokine storms would take place over a prolonged period as and when each person’s immune system was challenged. The early adverse reactions being to other components in the vaccine.
The spice tumeric is supposed to have some ability to suppress cytokine storm responses.
It is available in capsules at many pharmacies and supermarkets.
I have friends and in-laws there. Thick, thicker, the thickest of skulls you’ll ever meet when it comes to critical thinking re vaccine and the whole virus scam. I am preparing for the worst in re to their health. And I truly believe the country is set for self-destruction…
“Big Pharma apologists ready to come up with any number of excuses.” Several contributors here have applied Karl Popper’s test of “non-falsifiability” to Covid theory and shown it to be pseudo-science. The contradictions of the ‘vaccine’ narrative are encouraging what Popper labelled “ad hoc reasoning” – explanations tacked onto the original hypothesis designed to protect it from critics.
If the mRNA vaccines are turning the body into a spike protein factory that will give the PCR process a great big sample to amplify, making it more likely to produce a, “positive diagnosis,” under the Drosten criteria.
There are a few items like this which LS have avoided, but it doesn’t make you anti vax. It’s questioning the marketing. To not raise it is glaringly conformist
Rachel Elnaugh
The Great Coronavirus Swindle (odysee.com)
Terrific.
I like her emphasis on joining local community groups.
Spot on with that.
Just what we need – groups that can exchange views, carry out leafletting &c, carry out education and combine with others to support the Great Reopening.
Has anyone seen the nausea inducing Super Bowl half time performance?
Denis Rancourt nailed it: “What does fascism need to look like before people notice it?”
https://twitter.com/denisrancourt/status/1358620124933144580
That’s got the vibe alright. The word Satan flashing up behind the main performance just making sure the message is clear.
Touchdown player did the the one eye symbol as celebration too. Masks everywhere, only vaccinated and the card board cut outs allowed to attend.
Bit creepy no?
Yikes that’s seriously creepy!
The whole damn’ thing, not just at half-time. I can’t remember the spectacle being so dark, so oppressive, so Triumph-Of-The Will, in previous years. “You can discern the face of the sky; why can you not discern the signs of the times?”
https://news.sky.com/story/sven-badzak-pm-concerned-crime-will-rebound-as-lockdown-ends-after-latest-london-stabbing-12212312
Another reason why lockdown is for our own good. FFS!
PM concerned crime will ‘rebound’ as lockdown ends after latest London stabbing
Should add: my heart goes out to the Mum in the story.
There will be a damned sight more crime if they don’t let people get back to work soon!!!!
Kate & Luc’s crowdfunder has now reached just over 5K. Fantastic. Hope it continues to climb quickly. Here’s the link for anyone who hasn’t seen it and wants to chip in.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/kate-luc-cafe-and-their-fight-for-freedom?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
Thanks will chip in tomorrow.
me too, the Poles are showing the way….
Great people. Never met one I didn’t really like.
I read Drs Bhakdi and Reiss’ “Corona: False Alarm?” in a couple of hours this afternoon. Clinical, ice cold demolition of the whole evil charade. Thoroughly recommend it.
It’s great, isn’t it!
Great book. A PDF can be found if no hard copy available.
It’s on Kindle
Looking at the graphs on the Worldometer, I would say we are in exactly the same position today as we were one year ago, the only difference being that nobody had been told what to test for, and find, until later in March 2020. The fact is there was no lockdown a year ago and it hasn’t made any difference or saved even one life.
Lockdown has cost lives – with more to come.
yes I agree, some say as many as 40,000 unexplained deaths.
This is my view for example
I began to watch the Worldometer figures last March – and it soon became noticeable that the numbers with ”mild condition” were quite astounding, and no-one was making anything of them! Of course, now we know that this virus is of no risk to 99.7 per cent or so, and so who needs a vaccine?
But, of course, this is only about a ”vaccine” – and no longer anything to do with a virus.
I’m going to try and take a bit of a break or at least a step back from here for a little while, for the sake of my health, so I might be around the place less for a while.
Take care of yourself.
Thank you.
Best wishes, Jo.
I’ve done it a few times Jo, do what you need to do. When things become overwhelming it’s best to retreat for a while. It really does help. Take care x
So important to do this. Take care!
Rest up! Always good to have a recharge.
well have a couple of hours the haste ye back -this is the place of sanity
I don’t know about that. it’s the place of truth, and it’s not necessarily conducive to mental health to see too much of that
I’ve had to do that myself. A week at least. God bless
Sensible. Have a good break and stay strong.
Drop in to make a comment any time – just when you need to tell somebody or burst! We like to see your name pop up.
I hope you find something to soothe the spirit.
Take care my friend..
Hope to see you back when you’re up to it Jo. Take care.
Hope your break helps. Take care.
You’ll be missed, ol’ Dzugashvili. Come back when you’re ready.
Take care. I’ll miss your posts.
TJN
Five thousand raised in 3 hours!
https://www.gofundme.com/f/kate-luc-cafe-and-their-fight-for-freedom?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)
Thanks you for posting this. Have you sent the link to Toby/Will?
That is one big list of side effects!
TOTAL REACTIONS FOR DRUG 49472
TOTAL REPORTS 16756
TOTAL FATAL OUTCOME REPORTS 107
Are the MHRA still saying none of those deaths were anything to do with the vaccine?
One last thing Mrs C. noticed: Overdose? How the fuck did that happen?
Here is the AZ/Oxford report (around a month less of data)
COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)
https://www.jdfarag.org/prophecy
10 stages of genocide
“First they come for the statues, then they come for the people.”
No more gas lighting, thanks. We’re all fine over here.
Rubber raft people to get UK amnesty in exchange for the jab:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/02/08/illegal-migrants-granted-amnesty-come-forward-receive-covid-vaccine/
1) The controllers are getting desperate.
2) The controllers are really dumb.
3) I wonder who’s making money on this potential grift/kickback scheme..
Not coercion though
I’m sorry I am having to refrain from using a multitude of expletives. How can that possibly dictate immigration status? In what world does that make any sense whatsoever?
This one, apparently.
more stupid poor people being duped then murdered.
Over £6,000 already. When I last looked a little while ago it was at around two grand! Marvellous stuff. Let’s hope they get well over the £10,000 target. I think it’s clear they will.
Kate & Luc Cafe and their fight for freedom:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/kate-luc-cafe-and-their-fight-for-freedom?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
I hope they don’t pay any fine.
They state they are raising money to pay for a good lawyer.
And their target is £10K? Well, I suppose that would get you an introductory meeting with a good lawyer.
Piers Corbyn’s lawyer, apparently.
Will know his way around the ‘rona regs by now, I suppose.
Haha… yes, could be a good choice.
Nothing wrong with setting a modest target and hoping it is exceeded. They are relying on the kindness and decency of strangers. It’s a bit tight to sneer at anyone doing what most are not brave enough to consider, isn’t it?
Surely the sneer was directed at lawyers’ level of fees ?
You know I was critical of that campaign as I didn’t see it being effective due to the fear porn at it’s height around around 30th January. However, I have to eat my words I think this could be a catalyst, we can fundraise and support collectively any businesses that open.
I saw today also that the woman in Edinburgh has been able to keep her shop open.
Yes. She’s receiving lots of support from telephone customers and someone’s helping her set up an online ordering system.
https://youtu.be/Sr8u6x-WlPc?t=3428
At the end of the day, policing is the responsibly of Priti Patel. If enough of us email her with a link to the video of police brutality she might be forced into a statement as to the over the top actions of the covistapo. At the same time you might want to remind her that she lobbied for the rights of smokers and drinkers when she worked for the tobacco and alcohol industries. (You can check this out for yourself via Wikipedia)
Her email address as Home Secretary is public.enquiries@homeoffice.gov.uk
I doubt it.
When the TSG went in full in Trafalgar Square, she accused the protestors (a lot of who were seated quietly – I know, I was there) of attacking the cops. She’s a bad un, I’m afraid.
Yes, she probably enjoyed watching the video of Luc being attacked!
Oddly enough, there was no media hue and cry at the rumour that police were instructed to “go in hard”, so we never found out if it was Patel or Khan. Imagine the hysterics if it had been BLM thugs getting the stick treatment.
The Guardian et all would still to this day be full of wails of outrage, demands for investigations and inquiries, and for “root and branch reform”.
I’ve total respect for Kate & Luc, and especialy Luc’s humility – a real man.
I do feel sorry for the daft little copper, out of his depth, throwing a pathetic hay maker. Manchester can be a tough place to police and you do need some tough peeps for the job, that lad was just mismanaged – Luc’s the better man, so things will get sorted.
When I was twelve i was a bad judge of a situation.
Sorry, but I don’t feel one bit of sympathy for that copper. He should be struck off clearly a loose cannon who is not suited to being a police officer.
some situations need loose cannons – Luc looks well above the pee wee copper – I blame the management
In a situation when he (or a member of the public) was actually under physical threat and he needed to defend himself/them he would be a danger to himself, his colleagues and the public.
the young prick was wound up, and like a football manger winds up his players, the PC was wound up by his superiors – they are the ones to blame
He’d certainly lost all self-control!
I found it hilarious the way Luc got the better of him when he tried to put Luc on the ground and also a little later when the other cop was trying to get the cuff onto his right hand. Luc was so much stronger. He could easily have dealt with them both by himself.
where’s Burnham….. havent seen any comment from him
Covid: Over-70s can contact NHS for vaccine in England – BBC News
So from mid February the at risk 15 million people have been vaccinated. That’s the end of it the zealots have no case. We have endured their miserable existence until they reached their fancical target.
So we have to ask them why can’t we open up? This was the agreed end goal was it not?when will we ever open up?
Good to see this video interview from the lady who opened her gift shop in Edinburgh.
Police and local authority visit
Follow up interview
Please note volume is very low on the first video.
Johnson General Election 2019, pledged
20 000 more police
50 000 more nurses
More rozzers – just what we (don’t) need!
An interesting article about ‘the variants’. Basically they have been given their nomenclatures by means of non-peer reviewed theoretical modelling with Neil Ferguson making a significant contribution! Anyone remain convinced the variants exist?
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/08/the-shaky-science-behind-the-deadly-new-strains-of-sars-cov-2/
What do we know about the “new variants”
https://youtu.be/Sr8u6x-WlPc?t=2573
Indeed. An amazing ‘coincidence’. Not sure what to make of it but my brain will no doubt work on it overnight!
They probably throw darts to pick the new variant numbers.
“the pronouncements about the dire danger posed by the new variants aren’t based on solid science.
They appear to be aimed more at scaring the public into submitting to harsher and longer restrictions than helping to create truly evidence-based policies.”
… + Ferguson involvement = ’nuff said?
Gordon Bennet.
Ferguson, NERVTAG, SAGE, Imperial… models, models, models.
Same bunch of charlatans, same modelled bullshit!
Man in his 70s collapses and dies just 25 minutes after receiving COVID-19 vaccine in NYC – as officials say he ‘didn’t have allergic reaction’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9237735/Man-70s-collapses-dies-just-25-minutes-receiving-COVID-19-vaccine-NYC.html
Right up until mid-March western politicians downplayed any viral threat. On German TV the possibility of a serious disease was derided as ‘conspiracy theory’
No restrictions.
As late as March 14th the German Health Ministry tweeted (since deleted) that rumours about restictions were fake news and that people should call it out.
Then, all over, it was like a switch was thrown.
It turned on a sixpence.
March 17th Merkel announced lockdown.
So what do you think caused the Domino effect.Was it just Italy locking down?
The key question.
Is one possibility that security services started feeding in the possibility of the escape of an engineered virus – thus creating a panic scenario?
It’s a plausible theory that the govt thought it was a biological weapon
Two months prior at Davos 2020 – WEF:
In her speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Chancellor Angela Merkel announced “transformations of gigantic, historic proportions”. “The whole way of doing business and life, as we have got used to it, we will leave in the next 30 years”,
https://www.welt.de/politik/article205283507/Merkel-in-Davos-Gesamte-Art-des-Lebens-in-naechsten-30-Jahren-verlassen.html
Via Google translate
I don’t think western politicians thought it was a bio-weapon. . My mid-March China was on the verge of declaring victory.
In China – Outside Wuhan and its province virtually nothing happened, despite two months of no restrictions prior to January 20th.
Shanghai – Covid death toll – 7 people
Beijing – Covid death toll – 8 people
That’s two cities with around 45 million people between them.
If you do the maths, then it turns out that the ‘covid death rate’ in Merthyr Tydfil has been 5000 times the death rate in Shanghai, despite at least hundreds of thousands – probably millions – of people travelling between Wuhan and Shanghai in the 2 month perios up until January 20th, and despite Merthy Tydfil having been under lockdown since March.
Work that one out.
Not plausible. Would have literally shut us all in our homes and had food delivered by Army personnel in Hazmats. No barnard (sp?) castle excursion exemptions
Not necessarily – that’s a Hollywood scenario – even if Handoncock gets his ideas that way.
A lot’s happened since, but I’ve seen nothing to suggest David Starkey’s initial judgement last May was off, and they’ve been doubling down ever since:
David Starkey: Covid-19 — Britain’s Disastrous Response Will Have Devastating Consequences
Perhaps a test was necessary in a small area in a western country.
With the other countries it wasn’t so much a domino effect as ‘all at once’ with the UK a few days late.
I have read the ‘German’ story, based on Merkel coming from the East, Dorsten being suddenly at meetings etc etc. Germany with or without Chinese help is not capable of this.
The switch was thrown in the US. It was very very clear when you were sitting outside Europe.
The most plausible reason I have read is the Fed’s panic over the building problem over interest rates going near 10% in the inter-bank swops. They know they could not ‘do’ another rescue act like 2008, so the only alternatives to complete meltdown was complete lockdown. And here we are.
This is what I think, too. The Fed’s panicked intervention in the repo markets, September 16th/17th 2019, was the start of all this.
Agreed.
I was just giving Germany as an example.
The coincidental March 16 publication of Neil Ferguson’s model of 510k deaths for the UK, 2.2m in the US, and a warning of similar for other Western countries, without mitigation. Now, this used an unspecified dataset from China, plus data from repatriated flights. Data sets and models are not conjured out of thin air. Who commissioned it, and when, and who provided the dataset? Why?
After the first lockdown Health Minister Spahn said they would not close down hairdressers and other shops again.
Well, they did in November!
Not all going well in Israel. Questions about where are all the usual stroke and heart attack patients.
Total covid death toll 5171 of which 34% in the last 5 weeks!
https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-toll-on-israels-health-much-higher-than-reported-data-experts-658265
can we expect a jump in ‘covid deaths’ in the elderly frail when they start mission ‘ding ding- round two’ of the Pfizer experimental ‘vaccines’
Did you see the list posted below by PastImperfect?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf
Have a look and make your own analysis.
Someone may have noticed this before, apologies. But its a bit diificult to take a report seriously when it states categorically that 6 deaths were not fatal. Perhaps they really are turning into zombies!
Please can you let me know where it says that?
Those vaccinations really are amazing aren’t they!! Good old Pfizer – they’ve created the elixir of life!
Yeah, spotted that, too. 59 deaths, 53 of which were fatal.
It’s on page 13 if anyone is interested.
Fantastic – thanks Ceriain!
UK Column picked it up today. They can’t even be arsed to make their fraudulent statistics look believable any more. Why bother when the MSM are just mouthpieces for the dictatorship.
I have just posted the one for AZ/Oxford after the original post below. Here it is again (around one month less of data):
COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)
Page 9: Total death 26. Fatal death 20.
Oh dear, it will be curfews next to protect against the zombies!
The zombies are already in Government!
Someone died of diahorrea.
Dehydration.
Two (if I remember correctly) died of nausea. So I guess they’ve learnt this trick from the PCR fraud – hmmm… Had a stroke within minutes but a little bit of vomit came out, let’s report vomit as the cause of death.
Luc and Kate cafe appeal now over £8,000.
I know it’s off-topic but it’s Burnage related. Could I kindly ask people to also look at the Go Fund Me page for “Justice for Yousef Makki”. Yousef was a respectable sixth form pupil who was maliciously stabbed to death nearly two years ago by a ‘friend’, witnessed by another mutual friend. He attended Manchester Grammar School on a bursary and had aspirations to be a heart surgeon.
The way the Makki family was treated during the trial was disgusting (because of the demand for seats they had to sit outside the court room and share headphones to listen to proceedings). When the ‘not guilty’ verdict was passed, the court clerk offered no condolences for their loss but basically coldly showed them the exit. The witness who was present wasn’t called to give evidence because he said he hadn’t seen what happened. The only evidence heard and acted upon was the testimony of the accused, who denied that he had been the aggressor and claimed self-defence. Yet he wasn’t even found guilty of manslaughter. There was no forensic evidence connecting Yousef to any of the knives found at the scene.
The accused lied to the police, having used Yousef’s phone to phone his own phone to make out he wasn’t there whilst Yousef lay dying. The accused had previously posted videos on Facebook showing his obsession with knives and his psychopathic personality. None of this evidence was permitted to be used in evidence by the Judge.
The Makki family has remained dignified throughout. Sadly, Yousef’s mother died suddenly a year ago and his sister has been coordinating the campaign to raise funds for a civil case against the accused. At the outset she even had to raise £20,000 to purchase the transcripts of the court hearing. She has valiantly been struggling to raise more funds to proceed further. She is being backed by her local MP who has implicitly referred to ‘the murder’ of this young man. It is a case where I think there has definitely been a miscarriage of justice and there is evidence to suggest an element of corruption was involved in reaching the verdict, although the family has never alluded to this themselves. There can be no other explanation for the outcome of the original trial.
I do not know the Makki family personally but what has happened to them has made an indelible impression on me. This is a heartfelt plea from me to ask everyone here to please have a look at this case and consider if you might feel suitably moved to contribute towards the fund raising.
Thank you.
https://uk.gofundme.com/f/justice-for-yousef-makki
Nice to see sanity from Obrador :
“Mexico’s president returns after catching coronavirus
Mexican president Andrés Manuel López Obrador returned to his daily morning news conferences on Monday, following a two-week absence after catching coronavirus, but vowed not to wear a mask or require Mexicans to use them.
“There is no authoritarianism in Mexico … everything is voluntary, liberty is the most important thing,” López Obrador said, adding: “It is each person’s own decision.”
López Obrador revealed he received experimental treatments, which he described only as an “antiviral” medication and an anti-inflammatory drug, the Associated Press reports.”
Could he offer asylum to Trump?
Can I claim asylum there as well, I promise to stay in cancoon until I’m proved none infectious. Although I do reckon I have the Outer Mongolian strain that required 25 weeks observation.
It’s very telling that those in positions of power or importance will not speak out or tell the truth for fear of losing their careers or status.
Thank god for people like Sumption and Yeadon amongst others!
How can people like Witless and Unbalanced have any credence when you look at all the money that they have received from master Bates.
Poor Mike Yeadon. I do hope he finds a way back to us soon. A decent man of honour, unlike self-serving Unbalanced and Wittery. He is sorely needed.
not poor Mike Yeadon – the man can stand high.
He said he was already losing business. Sumption is retired on a fat pension.
erm… don’t think MY is skint
that’s why his contribution is most credible – he has nothing to gain – no money to follow
I’m sure he isn’t skint but it’s very hard to see your own thriving business suffer.
Hopefully he’ll find a way to bounce back on another platform.
Absolutely, Mike stands head and shoulders above the bottom feeders who are driving our country into the ground.
Mike Yeadon is very comfortably off. He has publicly said he’s prepared to be sued by Witless and Unbalanced if they choose to. He’s doubtless a brave and principled man but no worse off than Jonathan Sumption. That’s the admirable thing about these men. Will stand up even though personally they’re not affected.
You need to ask what have they to gain by speaking out?
Nothing.
What have those they speak out against to lose?(Everything)
Why doesn’t he just post here?
Loyalty. Principle. Integrity. Honesty.
Lose these and whatever the £ you’re still a poor man.
You said it, sis. Who steals my purse steals trash.
Any animal lovers? :
“South Korea to give covid tests to cats and dogs with symptoms
Pet cats and dogs with a fever, cough or breathing difficulties will be offered coronavirus tests if they have been exposed to carriers, the Seoul metropolitan government said Monday.
The programme in the sprawling South Korean capital comes weeks after the country reported its first case of Covid-19 infection in an animal, involving a kitten.
“Starting today, the Seoul metropolitan government will offer coronavirus tests for pet dogs and cats,” Park Yoo-mi, a Seoul city official handling disease control, told reporters.
Tests will be limited to pets that show symptoms – including fever, coughing, breathing difficulties and runny noses – after coming into contact with humans who have tested positive, she added.
The test will be conducted near the animal’s home by a team of health workers including a veterinarian, Park said.
Animals that test positive will be required to be kept isolated at home for 14 days
In fairness, a pet with those symptoms would be obviously ill and, if severe, you’d probably consider taking it to the vet anyway. So why the special facilities?
Gotta get those case numbers back up!
Will they be reported as official case numbers? I bet they will!
Isolating a dog or cat indoors for 14 days presumably qualified as animal cruelty in our former society. I bet the RSPCA are now pushing testing, masks, distancing and vaccines for dogs and cats. Perhaps even paw sanitisation.
Presumably, you dog or cat will occupy one spot in your ‘support bubble’.
And there was me thinking this was a joke when previously posted on the forum
Stay safe dog shows us how its done
For all my hubby is ‘Let’s see, it is what it is, maybe they have gone too far with the restrictions’ (we’re NW England so under the cosh since last July) if they come for our dogs (3) then he’ll tear them apart.
Toronto using the exactly the same playbook as Boris to keep the fear going. They do all seem to copy each other. English variant, SA variant, Brazil variant – they have all arrived in Toronto! Magic. Teleportation perhaps. She reckons its the start of a new pandemic. Kudos to Milhouse Van Houten for sharing the video.
https://twitter.com/Milhouse_Van_Ho/status/1358904608303828994
UK sells Behavioural Insights Team techniques to other countries ……
MINDSPACE sell their brainwashing to who ever pays them for their services.
https://www.bi.team/publications/mindspace/
Yeah well the “state of emergency” here in Ontario is supposed to expire on February 10th so our premier needs another scare tactic to keep us subjugated.
Well we’ve as good as been informed it will be summer here – whenever they decide “summer” is!
Vaccine apartheid
https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/02/07/news/latest-stories/unwilling-to-wait-poorer-countries-seek-their-own-vaccines/837923/
Why are the woke not up in arms about this, I’d gladly donate my shots .
Gavi not doing too well on this front
Despite all the foaming at the mouth about saving lives, some people in this country would happily trample over the dead bodies of people from those poorer countries to get their vaccine – especially younger people, because Long Covid you know!
It would appear we now have a ‘Education Catch Up Tsar’
Oh dear, if only we had a ‘Don’t Fuck It Up In The First Place Tsar’ back in March
Sounds like an admission of total failure to me. I was off school for two weeks in the 80s whilst convalescing from appendicitis and it took me a whole term to catch up on everything I missed.
And pre covid, parents were fined for taking kids out of school for a holiday as it harms their education.
2 weeks in Lanzarote will ruin their education, but basically closing schools for the best part of the year can be sorted by another “non job”
Ditto! Well said.
Not even just for a holiday – schools round here used to get their knickers in a twist if your kid missed an hour or so for a doctor’s appointment.
Exactly – weren’t they fining parents for taking kids out of school for a few days holiday without approval before this scamdemic? What happened to that logic? Seemed sensible at the time and geared towards protecting our kids.
If only we could have a Guy Fawkes Tsar
£9,629 in 5 hours. Get in!
https://www.gofundme.com/f/kate-luc-cafe-and-their-fight-for-freedom?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
Surely the 10 grand by the end of the day
Donated
Also they’re not far away so I’m going to check them out and see if I can support them locally with my business.
I know nothing of this Snowdon person, but let me guess – he’s smugly, comfortably well-off, probably cosily ensconced in a nice house, and untouched by the devastation caused by lockdown.
For sure. And possibly some retirement investments in big Pharma (if not ‘before’ then definitely now).
From Wikipedia (I know!)
Looks well qualified to me.
Twat started a Twatter campaign to discredit himself! What a knob!
Absolutely and if everything went absolutely belly up his childless Aunt would lend him a few thou to get him back on his feet. Probably trace the family wealth back to the Caribbean slave racket or imperial rapacity. That’s why people like him virtue signal so much – they usually have some very dirty secrets in the family closet.
‘Clever people do this all the time and will convince you how right they are and how stupid you are to have a different point of view‘
Impossible in this case. Never, not ever and again never is lockdown right. He has been bribed or blackmailed. Because if he’s ‘clever’ then he knows lockdowns are wrong, deadly, immoral.
Clever people do make mistakes, sometimes they humble enough to realise how wrong they are but sometimes they use they intelligence to defend their mistakes.
Luc’s Go Fund just went through £10,000
I’ve donated
Lots of small £5 and £10 donations. The little people are fighting back
Made me weep and think of my father who fought on D Day
We are good people and we will throw off this tyranny
If Luc opens again, I’m definitely going for a bloody good fry up.
It would be worth it to drive from Derbyshire up to Manchester and risk the stupid £100 fine to support a good man doing what he needs to do to keep his family.
Much respect!
Agree, I will travel from South Wales. Will go for a fry up but will be prepared for a punch up
Excellent!
Me too.
Looks increasingly like this is the most promising way forward to exit the Shit Show.
It’s going to be mobbed down there at half eight tomorrow morning. Press will be there to film the punch-ups, no doubt.
btw. Boris Johnson is down for 8 quid.
So he’s tight-fisted, as well as being thick, wicked, and fat.
“Consent to treatment…must not be influenced by pressure from medical staff, friends or family”.
Sorry, but in the case of expectant mothers at least, they’ve driven a coach and horses through this, so far as I can see. Same with being informed (where information on risks and alternatives appears to be routinely withheld), and probably the same with understanding the information.
If it suits them, the government will find ways round this with vaccinations too, and I suspect the only question now is how much of a second class citizen I will become in the coming months if I resist the hard sell from Big Pharma. Unless the “BAME community” kick up a fuss. Possibly. Then even Sir Keir Starmer might consider challenging the narrative (rather than just the management).
I am past caring about anyone who takes one of the non-vaccines, or any consequences for not taking them that I and others will be subjected to. I just cannot be fucked worrying about it any more. To do so is pointless. The worst that can happen is that I am completely excluded from a shit society not even worthy of the name, and certainly not worth living in, and as a result suffer death. No big deal.
I know where you’re coming from. I tried to point out to someone close to me how immoral it is to coerce anyone to be vaccinated, but:
‘omg I’m getting the jab because I want to go away this year, we’ve booked two weeks off this September to go to Spain’. THICK
They’ll not be going to Spain, or anywhere else, of course. Back in the days when we dared write amusing little acronyms on patients’ notes to warn colleagues what to expect, a perennial fave was TAPS- thick as pigshit.
It’s laughable. I hope they enjoy their imaginary holiday, because visualisation is as close as anyone is going to get to a holiday of any kind for a very long time.
When are people going to cotton on to this? The era of three foreign package holidays per year is over.
From 2013 to 2020 inclusive, I went abroad 50 times.
I am confident that not only will I never leave this island again, I will in all probability never leave the confines of the city I live in. Such is the new reality. Thank goodness I made the effort when I could. My memories are all I have left.
Motor vehicles in the New Order will be electric and thus prohibitively-expensive so only communally-available to hire. You’ll not get far. Our masters have fretted about our ease of mobility since the introduction of the railways in the 1830s- we’ll soon enough be put back in our box.
I know. And it’s not fair. They (brother and sister-in-law) both work so incredibly hard and through their innocence believe the narrative. I can’t hate them for believing. In fact I think I envy their innocence
I know exactly what you mean. But having seen, for better or worse you can’t un-see, can you?
Until they get the “vaccine”.
And that’s what it’s like living in a dystopian world.
Desperate times indeed.
The paradox is passing this threshold reduces fear to zero, which in turn inspires me to fight harder. There’s an important lesson here.
Nothing left to lose.
Do you work? Quite conceivable my employment will be threatened without a vaccine. Even more so for my wife in NHS.
Yes, and the way my employer has conducted themselves throughout suggests strongly that they will be mandating the vaccine later this year. At which point I will part company with them, and presumably any future corporate employment.
Thankfully I am single, live alone, have no dependents and have some savings to fall back on, so this will be a much easier choice for me than for others. Which encapsulates the pure evil that we are facing here.
Richard D Hall has a new film up:
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=287&part=1&gen=99
Thanks for the tipoff- I keep an eye on what he has to say about the very murky business surrounding Thomas Mair.
Yes his investigative work on the Jo Cox murder was unparalleled. I look forward to his latest contribution.
Until about six months ago I used to think it was just me who thought the whole Cox/Mair official narrative just didn’t feel right. It happened about ten miles up the road from me, BTW.
mmmmmmmurky indeed. Murky and fishier than Rick Stein’s fridge.
If worldometers’ numbers are to be believed, the world has carried out 1,497,833,407 Covid-19 tests.
Kerching!
DT: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/08/weekend-scary-headlines-soothing-dose-jonathan-van-tam-just/
NOT worth reading in full; it’s all bollocks!
Michael Deacon – Total wanker!
Is Deacon still writing the allegedly-humorous political sketches? He’s not fit to bark Frank Johnson’s ring.
I think he thinks they’re funny.
‘ Michael Deacon – Total wanker!
100%
And Fraser Nelson Covidean Lockdown supporter.
Glad that I’ve now cancelled both sellout Telegraph and sellout Spectator subscriptions.
I can’t give up on the Spectator – the writing’s too good, especially as you get to the back end of the mag. But, yeah, I totally ignore the leader articles at the beginning from the likes of Nelson and his Scottish mate married to Allegra Stratton. Actually isn’t his name FERGUSON? Are they related?
Taki. Toby. Lloyd Evans = yes. Shriver ok (except viz Trump) and very occasional ‘other’ writers.
But Fraser, Rod L and Charles Moore have very much let us down. And in leading the lockdown/vaccine (utopia) narrative they no longer reflect my (or most Spectator?) views?
Andrea – we’ve been let down by a lot of people! (Kate Andrews voting for Biden for Gawd’s sake)…but one of the reasons we persevere is because we love the good use of language – a reflection of our blessed God-given or nature-given reason.
Just dropped Spec but still running with Spec USA as a bit more foxtrot oscar but we’ll see.
James Forsyth, in fact. Not, sadly, related to Brucie. Big mate of Rishi’s from Winchester and Oxford, though- James, I mean. He and Allegra are godparents to Rishi’s kids, or is it the other way round? Nice. Cosy.
Oh yeah I knew it was an F lol. It’s too late for such details! But thanks for the correction and the reminder of the Rishi connection and of course Rishi is as much a banker as Macron. And Allegra is chums with Carrie, daughter of one of the founders of the Independent newspaper (before Amol ran it into the ground).
FFS. Abandon all journalism, ye who enter here (i.e. The Telegraph).
MUST READ!!
Article in Off-Guardian today describing the absolute crock of shit that is the so-called science behind the ‘mutant strains’.
It describes the basis as 3/4 non-peer reviewed papers in mid-2020, with an unholy involvement of Ferguson and Zuckerberg. Besides some mice and petri-dishes the total number of humans involved in these mainly computer-generated ‘stories’ is SIX.
As the article says, if this stuff is being used its because they are desperate to find anything to keep the charade going for longer and with more and more restrictions.
As if we didn’t know before, its clear they are just making this up as they go along.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/08/the-shaky-science-behind-the-deadly-new-strains-of-sars-cov-2/
Sounds highly plausible. Each infected individual produces thousands of mutations of the virus. It would be easy to construct a narrative out of this mutational promiscuity.
As I noted earlier the Israelis are blaming the “British Mutation” for the failure of their mass vaccination programme – the most advanced in the world. It’s like that pass the parcel game from childhood.
StandupX have announced another ‘Unite for Freedom’ protest on 20th March in central London. Who’s going?
Why do you want to know?
Anyone would think you were collecting info, Nymeria.
Only someone paranoid would think that.
Huh? You seem to be insinuating that there’s a sinister reason for my question.
Yup. Given you came in strong previously in support of someone dissing Ivor Cummings for having “lost the plot”. It’s called a pattern.
High time you and your paranoia went to bed.
Doesn’t really count as a rebuttal does it?
If it is on Im definitely going.
Me too, Carlo.
2000 sample size. Go away.
“Our world-leading genomics capacity has allowed us to identify these different strains”.
There’s the problem. Astra-Zeneca trials: UK, South Africa, Brazil. New variants discovered: UK, South Africa, Brazil. It’s surprising that Lockdown Man science hasn’t seen the correlation, which as we know in their minds means causation. Yet they haven’t scared us with AstraZeneca vaccine causing new variants. Thank god, because the actual reason for the new variants is that genomic sequencing, which was jacked up in those countries doing the trials, is way ahead of other countries. Seek, and ye shall find.