Elon Musk has said Jess Phillips “deserves to be in prison” over Labour’s refusal to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham. The Telegraph has more.
Elon Musk attacked the decision as “disgraceful” and Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, said a full national inquiry into rape gangs was “long overdue”.
Jess Phillips, Labour’s Safeguarding Minister, insisted it was “for Oldham council alone” to decide whether to launch an investigation into alleged exploitation between 2011 and 2014.
A 2022 report found children in Oldham were failed by agencies that were meant to protect them amid alleged grooming by “predominantly Pakistani offenders” in council homes, shisha bars and by taxi drivers.
Oldham Council’s Labour group last year agreed to support an independent inquiry, writing twice to Ms. Phillips urging the Home Office to support this work.
The Minister replied: “It is for Oldham Council alone to decide to commission an inquiry into child sexual exploitation locally, rather than for the Government to intervene…
“I welcome the council’s resolution to do so, as set out in your letter, and to continue its important work with victims and survivors.”
Responding to a report on Ms. Phillips’s remarks on his social media platform X, Mr. Musk claimed that she “deserves to be in prison”.
Mrs Badenoch also shared her view on the platform on Thursday and said: “The time is long overdue for a full national inquiry into the rape gangs scandal.
“Trials have taken place all over the country in recent years but no one in authority has joined the dots. 2025 must be the year that the victims start to get justice.”
In further posts, Mr. Musk accused Ms. Phillips of a “disgraceful” decision and suggested she had rejected an inquiry in order to shield Sir Keir from blame.
He continued: “In the U.K., serious crimes such as rape require the Crown Prosecution Service’s approval for the police to charge suspects.
“Who was the head of the CPS when rape gangs were allowed to exploit young girls without facing justice? Keir Starmer, 2008–2013.
“Who is the boss of Jess Phillips right now? Keir Stamer [sic]. The real reason she’s refusing to investigate the rape gangs is that it would obviously lead to the blaming of Keir Starmer [head of the CPS at the time].”
Sir Keir ordered a comprehensive review of CPS guidelines on sexual exploitation as Chief Prosecutor in 2012, admitting the service had failed a generation of girls who were abused. …
Sir Keir gave the green light to prosecuting the Rochdale grooming case, the first of its kind, and said in 2023 he was in favour of “anything we can do to crack down on these cases”.
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Wikipedia says Gab is favoured by the far right and “widely described as a haven for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists.” Discuss.
I never have donated even though they keep telling me I should. Not likely to now. I recall they were pretty damning about the ERG during the Brexit wars. Not really striving too hard for intellectual objectivity, are they?
Of course, you won’t be able to see it, because all the cinemas are closed. You’ll just have to rely on the critics reactions to tell you how scary it is in the press.
Hancock, Whitty and Johnson will be appearing nightly with their thoughts and reviews. Furgusson reckons it will be a huge hit, reaching out to millions.
I saw several shooting stars last night. At least I thought they were shooting stars but I now reckon they must have been pods being scattered across the globe by evil aliens intent on the destruction of civilisation. Or perhaps to help world governments to do the job for them.
It’s beginning to sound like a series of Alistair Maclean thrillers…The Brazilian Variant, The South African Mutant, The Madagascan Strain, The Antarctic Conundrum…and so on. I mean there’s no end to how many mutant strains there could be and so no end to this nonsense as long as we have politicians who are scared of headlines, can’t think beyond the box they’re in and who only listen to a narrow band of opinion.
He is now abut to save the whales from the Japanese. You can see he has been full on brainwashed by nut Nuts. Hes worse than the other idiot Camoron now
someone mentioned on here yesterday that all these new ‘variant’s UK, South Africa and Brazil are all countries where the Phizer trials were conducted.
Coincidence or causation we will never know, not one to be a conspiracy theorist or anything but i found it rather interesting…
That’s where science begins. Asking questions and refining the questions.
How might we prove vaccines help more than hinder?
That’s where the science is aborted. Such studies are not funded, allowed or published.
A belief in anything can be so forcefully cherished as to be protected from question, and fear of negative consequence provides the force, and the funding of allegiance and support.
Our self-invested identities are a complex of such ‘beliefs’ and operate as invisible structures of presumed and defended ‘reality’.
Those who question their ‘reality-experience’ are those whose masking persona has failed to hide or cover what lies beneath.
The suppression and inhibition of fear and hate results from perceiving it as threat, and defends against ‘threat’ by masking over and projecting or diverting away from self-responsibility. Blame as redistribution of psychic energy, along with penalty of pain or exclusion.
Maintaining defences must needs hold such hate as righteous or justified by grievance, and to this end, all that is of love is likewise perceived as threat to the capacity to protect a broken, wounded or betrayed ‘love’.
The feelings and insights of love are thus equally perceived as threatening, treacherous, fickle and deceitful and thus demonised and denied in the frame of the hated and feared ‘self-conflict’.
Love of truth must then be chosen over fear of love set in frame of denial and deceit, IF a mistaken identity or ‘love of fear as protector’, is to be released. The nature of the defence is something we have ‘made’ that runs as a machine mind, that knows not who and what you are, for it is made to masked over, distance and deny your awareness of a fear, hate of guilt whose origin lies beneath a complex of defences against disclosure.
If we choose to heal, then the action element of hate calls for inhibition, but the action element of love needs to be disinhibited. Instead of sacrificing love to a futile, depleting and destructive defence that can not work, we need learn of love anew, by bringing the fear or hate into the light of an awareness that heals our perception and restores perspective.
This simplified sketch does not indicate just how entangled and fragmented our ‘defences’ of conflicts have become. But a universal key is ‘release and be released’. This does not relate to behaviours, but to the projection and perception of our own motives and judgements onto other lives, and to our world.
How can we prove or become certain that anything is true of false?
As distinct from becoming captured or controlled by a belief that WANTS it so?
Self-honesty is a transparency to true account at the level or quality of our being, regardless of the measuring stick and hierarchies of judgements that ‘make’ a world to mask out and cover over ‘separation trauma’ within Mind – that take on physicalised partitions as the Human Conditioning.
To the ‘mask’, there is no other reality than life under threat of death as the struggle for power. But you can recognise this is not your reality by the simple grace of noticing it in act. And open the basis to ask and receive answer that is growing Conscious from a mind renewed.
“I do not know what anything is for.”
To me, the purpose of everything is to prove that my illusions about myself are real. It is for that purpose that I attempt to use everyone and everything. It is this that I believe the world is for. Therefore I do not recognize its real purpose. The purpose I have given the world has led to a frightening picture of it. Let me open my mind to its real purpose by withdrawing the one I have given it, and learning the truth about it. ACIM.
Consider that IF such a malice was intended there are no checks or defences against it being carried out and assigned to wild mutations, and blamed on a lack of public zeal for self-destruction.
One can identify poliovirus in children that is a vaccination strain as distinct from ‘wild’. But under a Cartel Pharmasorcery – where is the means or the will to independent accountability and transparency?
The population is being normalised to constant threat as the basis for total control. Alex Thompson at UK Column started a series on the mind control process called disinformation by the then KGB. It will illuminate some sense of the mind as a targeted proxy for a destructive and coercive intent.
Careful now, we don’t want people thinking you’re a crazy ‘tin-hat conspiracy theorist!’ Get your mask back on. I want you on your doorstep banging pots every Thursday at 8pm!
From the main text about enhanced international travel restrictions and quarantines.
If the Government really thought Covid was an existential threat and that quarantine was an effective tool with which to fight it they would have commandeered the numerous large hotels around Heathrow and turned them into quarantine holding centres last March rather than allowing returnees to travel home on public transport, via Sainsbury’s, and then voluntarily self isolate.
This is all just more showing that something is being done.
Back in early January, when the government was first aware of the potential pandemic, it decided “on the scientific advice” not to secure the borders, This was stated publicly by a member of the Cabinet. Unfortunately, I cannot now recall which one.
The idea that choosing to not act, is an absence of the presence of conscious communication is the reaction of a driven and coercive compulsion to DO SOMETHING.
The latter is the means by which we choose to give up choice to a private and protected identity set in fear and attack.
Most everything said about viruses represents a projection of such a human psycho-pathological set of conflicted ‘meanings’ (sic).
The underlying psychic NEED to assign demonic or malign intent onto Life – and normalise it, is the unwillingness and perhaps unreadiness to own, face and live through fear as a transformative desire to heal.
Instead, fear is fed with sacrifice of life and lives as if the power of protection in distancing, locking down and masking narrative by which to raise a parody of life from fear of death under blind ‘controls’ that can never have enough ‘control’.
Once it passed its tipping point, the mask of virtue could no longer be maintained. It’s a death cult under mind control.
Hence I listen in the heart for the movement of being that knows life by sharing it.
The modelling mind can serve practical function. But to invest identity there is to dissociate to a fixated fascination with our own ‘reflection’. https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/mutating-variants-in-fear-of-threat.html
The government isn’t scared. The government’s job is to make you scared, working on behalf of Bill Gates, the depopulator-in-chief. Now roll up your sleeve!
No one who walks the world in form but has fear striking at his breast.
But the expression of fear called ‘control’ is mistaken for Power.
Worshipping control is a death cult seeking power over feared Life.
Making entertainment from fear is another way to limit and dissociate or distance from what we choose not to look on.
That our choices can become conditioned reactions or normalised behaviourally set ‘thinking’ is a programming by the past upon the present so as to escape reliving a past trauma. The word trauma here is used for the psychic split and not any physical associations. Nor is it used to elicit sympathies of emotional reactions that play out private conflicts on others as if to use them for one’s own agenda as a paramount concern.
If as would seem reasonable to assume, fear, is recognised as a tool of manipulation underlying a global collapse or power grab, then why are we not addressing fear in all its deceits?
For the most part because fear runs the mind we think is ours alone, and that we protect as a private sense of control, by seeking social and perceptual reinforcements by which to seem to join, but always on the basis of a prior claim to separate. In such a world, freedom is assigned to the body as the limit of the mind, and as the currency of locked down minds. Escape into fantasy masks over the pain of loss in symbol and substitution for lost love and its separation trauma. Perhaps for a while the dream seems real and full of hope, but only until the fear from which it hides is masked out.
The mask disintegrates to reveal the ‘escape’ unreal or deceitful, and the underlying disturbance rises to be healed. But fear cannot see this because it blocks seeing as its new normal of ‘control’.
Well they haven’t scared me! I’m just fed up with hearing about covid now. The whole thing is just looking like mass incompetence/bungling and politicians the world over are looking increasingly desperate. They fear the public rebelling. I believe they are scared of the public now as none of the measures like lockdowns, muzzles and social distancing have worked and now its glaringly obvious, hence the more ridiculous fear propaganda. Even those vaccines are useless (no one has ever successfully produced a vaccine for a coronavirus). Once people wake up and the dominoes fall they will have nowhere to hide. Even if Gates is behind covid (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t mean his plans would work, remember mother nature is above even him. Megalomaniacs never account for human nature, diversity in humanity, unintended consequences or chaos theory, that’s why they often lose in the end. For all his billions Gates isn’t immortal and has far more to lose then I have, given his age I’m sure he’ll be dead before me.
Oh but did I really just read above the line the simpletons of sage say let’s use county borders to stop the spread. Build the wall, build the wall. I know arsehats like Pantsdown and Mitchie don’t leave London very often but we don’t exactly have marked Borders and checkpoints. One side of my street is one town the other side is another, we get different bin days. Would I now be shot crossing the road to put out the rubbish for the old lady opposite?
What makes a good business? One where there is no one division that’s all powerful. If accounts gets too strong all brilliant innovation gets stymied as they can’t see the big picture. If engineers are in charge you go down rabbit holes to push the design to its limit and can’t see the cost.
Our Firm Mother Britain is run currently by the health and safety’s supposed scientific dogma. They care nothing about cost because lives need to be saved. They think if one mask is good, two must be better. All deaths like accidents are preventable because we can learn to control the virus. But the most critical thing is all deaths MUST now be covid. This is our only danger. Let’s find all the people who might have it and lock them up. I am sorry if the Bridge has fallen down killing 200 people we were only concerned with keeping people SAFE.
From the main text, Steerpike thinks you might get away with a two or three day break without a test or quarantine.
Nah, plod will arrest you for breaking the ‘spirit of the law’ which is their way of saying the law is what we say it is.
I can’t see the point in this- how much fun would it be tearing to another country just to see more masks, closed shops etc?
nickbowes
4 years ago
Apparently restaurants /shops are opening up in Italy in defiance of these fascistic “rules” – time for massive public middle finger to the clown boris and his “two ronnies of doom”.
Kh, I don’t know where you get your boundless stores of energy and courage. When all this is over they should put up a statue to you. Maybe not in zombie SW, but in some sort of sceptics’ Garden of Honour.
As I’ve written here before, I am sure you are going to come out of this ok, bumpy though it might be at the moment. In time it will be known that you and your cafe stood out against this, and you will get the credit for it – your cafe will have a kudos and credibility that people naturally want to be associated with.
Very few of us if any, will come out of this okay, that’s not in their script. All that now matters is making sure that we do the right thing until the very end. Conforming with the pig dictator’s restrictions will not work as they really do want rid of all of us.
I remain confident that all will come all right in the end, although we’ll all have been disadvantaged to some degree by these events. As you say, the most important thing – win or lose- is to do the right thing to the end.
I would be happy to support any business that opened in defiance of this crap. I would also be happy to get physical with any covid marshalls who tried to man handle me too.
I think the timing had to be right for customers to have the confidence to use the restaurants. I think if Wetherspoons and other multi National outlets get a plan it would encourage the independent ones to follow suit. In numbers not a lot could be done to stop them.
I don’t see Tim risking losing his license. He already has financial backing to survive the lockdown due to this size. They will operate a risk averse policy.
Good for them – ie that they’ve managed to get up a “head of steam” sufficient that there’s enough of them to do this. It is difficult to decide to do something, have a lot of people say they are in agreement with you and, when push comes to shove and you turn round and look for the supporting troups = there they were gone, because they’d wimped out. So it’s good that there’s a large enough group of them to account for the wimps.
1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
The only reason the government are so keen on these vaccines is because they see it as the only way to get themselves out of the massive pile of poo they themselves created. They know they are up the creak without a paddle.
The vaccines and the especially the “health passport” back to “freedom” are the sweeties to coax the masses into accepting them. I just wish that all those I’ve spoken to, who think in that way, would think another way and realise that the joys of our previous life they think will be waiting for them, will be unable survive the economic slaughter, that the vaccine itself offers little immunity or protection from transmission, and all these restriction are going nowhere (as stated by the Two Ronnies of Doom) There is talk that they’ll continually want pump the thing into us twice yearly. This is all in the MSM but most people haven’t even absorbed any of this info, they don’t hear it, they have such cognitive dissonance now they only hear what they want to hear.
I wouldn’t worry about a “health passport”, this lot can’t even get a test and trace app to work, wasting £12 billion in the process. I doubt much will come of it. Politicians in general are actually quite thick. All of the covid strategy (including the vaccines) have been an epic fail.
I agree. As each day goes by I see it all falling apart, bit by tiny bit. I actually believe many have just switched off, lockdownista’s and sceptics alike. They’re following the rules as they see fit, interpreting them their way, fighting with those who disagree, doing the government’s dirty work for them. But generally the government’s threats have become so numerous, so hysterical, so desperate it seems that most people just don’t want to hear any more. It all becoming boring and old. Look at how many have revoked their TV licence in the last year.
There are means to stop the biggest machines with the smallest grains of sand – provided one knows where to add them. A sort of Dave’s sand versus Goliath’s fascist machine. However, looking into the sky here, it is obvious that the same people that gave the world the plandemic are also fumigating us from above. It is insane, because nobody here looks up into the sky. Too busy doing what’s upping on their smarter than them phones.
Or as Peter Hitchins says constantly, the other option is to say, sorry! we fucked up, its not as severe as we were told and you most likely won’t die. Protect the vulnerable and all go back to normal. The Chuckle brothers have resigned and I have fired the communist party formerly known as SAGE. We have formed a new group called GUOTM (get us out this mess)
That would work. It would not placate the lockdown Karen’s but who cares about them, its your party wear a mask if you want to.
If our government had any honour they would do just that, apologise, admit mistakes and lift all the measures as they have all failed but they are so far in the shit they won’t as they are facing economic ruin and massive social problems of their own making.
They control the official numbers, so no apologies would be necessary.
Just spend a couple of weeks telling us it’s ending spectacularly quickly and declare triumphant victory for “The Science”
Instead, they’re discrediting the LFT in favour of the +ve -generating PCR. Go figure.
They haven’t f*cked up.
This was never about a virus and it has SFA to do with saving the NHS’ arse.
They could even say the virus is now not as virulent so we can ease restrictions. Which us probably true, but it doesn’t need to be true for the government to use it as a ploy to get out of their mess.
Wonderful to see videos emerging from Italy following the #IoApro (#IOpen) movement which saw 50,000 restaurants open despite government restrictions. For those with Twitter, @robinmonotti has been providing the updates. My favourite clip was of police being heckled in a restaurant by customers, the translation of their fury along the lines of “GET OUT! We pay your wages! You work for us! GET OUT!!”
This is a truly fantastic development by all accounts, a number of the restaurants looked very well attended, showing that this kind of mass civil disobedience is winning hearts and minds across the continent. Clearly our disgraceful mainstream media would never dare to cover such a dangerous movement, but I feel that they may have no choice as this unique dissent sweeps across Europe.
The virus of non-compliance is more terrifying to the government than any strain of Covid-19. Its spread cannot be modelled. It can engulf whole cities in days. It can only be suppressed by brutal authoritarianism, which will light the touch paper for civil unrest.
There will be many sleepless nights in Westminster over the coming weeks.
Let’s all toast them in a large glass of Italian wine, or grappa, or a plate of pasta, or whatever.
Wales has loads of families of Italian origin, many of them working in catering etc. It would be wonderful if they could follow the example of their original home country, where I think most of them still have close ties.
I lived in Scotland and come across loads of people of Italian ancestry. They tend to be represented in hospitality and catering too.
Many of them ironically were descended from those whose final destination was America but they ran out of funds to continue their journey so instead they settled in the UK.
The ‘rona will magically disappear after 20th January. All massively hyped with crazy lockdowns by Democrat governors hoping to gain favour with hierarchy in order to remove Bad Orange Man.
Nope, its standard SJW stuff, remember when Drumpf was wascist for stopping flights from China and Cuomo was hugging Chinese?
Now they think Drumpf is gone, they can change their tune.
I think its because all New York businesses are moving to Florid. Same in Cali everyone is leaving. Unfortunately not an option for us. The Governor of Florida has been awesome. Took the GBD advice and just opened up. HERO!
No. This whole virus insanity was purely to get any head of state out that wasn’t on board with the NWO. Like Trump for instance. Now that we’re a few days away from having globalist puppet Biden installed through the massive election fraud, the virus is no longer relevant it’s accomplished what it was intended for
So true, like all bodies like this when things are going great we go along happily. When you are needed to represent all businesses and make a stand you are pathetic. If there was a yearly amount I had to pay to keep in thus confederation, I would be cancelling this right now.
I don’t see how an assumption of ‘encouraging’ has any basis in law, its like they are reading the guidance and in their heads that’s law. You’d best ask for everything in writing from them any time they accuse you of something.
I had them call my shop during first lockdown and accuse me of being open. There evidence was I answered the phone! They made many silent calls from mobile numbers. I have an IP phone which forwards to my mobile . I told her (I was incandescent by this point) I was at home and there are modern telecoms that permit such things. I properly informed her that everything is on CCTV and anyone making accusations better have some proper evidence as I had all the evidence I need. She asked my if I could forward her the video by email! When I told her it was several hundred gigabytes, she didnt really seem to understand that email is not the way to do this. I asked her who had informed on us, it seems it might have been the physio around the corner(who was permitted to open they offer the same treatments as us but there are NHS affiliated), I think our business has significantly impacted hers, but she never said who but said it was a nearby competitor.
The EHO girl was rude, arrogant and full of herself. I gave it all back to her in the same manner as she approached me.
If they come again, film it with audio and make sure they write to you confirming their side and you do the same to them.
Dont put up with their shit.
Keep doing what you are doing, if you are in any breach of routine restaurant stuff be careful, but if its just covid shit tell them to fuck off. Record it so you can show it is bs from jobsworths. They wont be happy if you record it and hopefully they’ll see you are not taking it and then fuck right off.
Keep the faith KH you are doing a great job.
I have been walking into town (permitted exercise), buying a coffee and bun, then sitting on benches in the cathedral gounds (permitted open space) then continuing the walk.. So have many others. There were about 12 large benches. This week, they all been been removed by cathedral jobsworths. Everyone I spoke to caught out by the removal regarded it as a totally pathetic action.
Absolutely, just reopen everything and break the lockdown with force of numbers. That looks like what is starting to happen on the continent. If everyone did it there is nothing the government can do.
We know that even Prof Pantsdown was taken aback by the craven compliance that characterised the first lockdown. They knew then, and they know now, that if there is mass resistance there will be nothing they can do about it. Hence the current reliance on the Mutant Terror Virus(es). Gotta keep the zombies scared.
I do think there are a lot of people who are now wedded to the idea of wearing a mask and will not feel safe without one. But I also notice that many, men especially are very conscious that masks are a bit effete and not macho and if one person takes their mask off they all will. If we ever get to that stage it will be interesting to see how it goes.
I have a nasty feeling that churchgoers, for a start, will be welded, rather than wedded, to their masks, meaning that I shall never be able to go to church ever again.
And how many zombies have been so imbued with the idea that Other People Are Death that they will never again attend any sort of collective event?
Most clergy are essentially civil servants – genuine religious believers are more likely to think even a more deadly virus than Covid is nothing as compared to eternity.
Cowardice is generally accounted a sin, even if they attempt to dress it up as concern not to spread the virus to others.
A friend told me he was frustrated at the platitudes being repeatedly voiced at his church prayer meeting. He decided to read out a poem which told about the suffering caused by lockdown. Some people were in tears.
The vicar subsequently contacted him to thank him, but he also explained that his son had made two recent suicide attempts.
Sometimes the vicar is the loneliest man in the parish.
Fig leaves represent covering over a sense of self-lack conflict and shame. God can be represented to those who don’t think in such terms as nakedness to an intimacy of being. Nothing added, nothing taken away. But to a masking mind God is distanced, locked down and masked.
There is no truth in the masking mind of fig-leaf thinking – but what we choose to give.
The adage of ‘Give unto Caesar what is due unto Caesar and give unto God what is due unto God’ is applicable to a fundamental choice that did not exist until the choice for masking or hiding from God, remade all things in our own image.
What is not apparent in mythic representation is the terror that arose from self-hatred and shame. If God mandated coercively, there would be no free will. Hence under a false god of tyranny under fear and deceit free will is denied and replaced by ‘granted freedoms’ for compliance to arbitrary and shifting ‘rules’ or ‘moral guidances’.
Fear inherently misinterprets everything, including Scriptures of true teachings, insights and inspired thought and endeavour. Fear cannot be separated from self-doubt and division. The attempt to become certain by acting as if to earn or become worthy propagates the original error of self-judgement given priority over God as your very being. Here is the ‘private mind’. Who can reach the minds of the self-convicted?
The idea of the Holy Spirit is of a gift of discernment within Life and not set over and apart as ‘my thinking’ under official authoritative judgements or identity set in reaction to any externalised authority.
Choosing one is to let the other go. Trying to choose both results in conflicts that effectively deny awareness of any real choice. Resting and releasing the mind of conflict is actively giving faith to Life or being instead of to our own fears and thinking. Making the conditions in which love can register in our awareness is not ‘creating love’ nor the guidance and direction as to how the movement of being extends, expresses or simply shines as a quality of unselfconscious presence.
Masking in virtue is a theme for self-awareness.
The faking of love in love’s name has run its course.
Jesus speaks to our condition – not to the ‘mask’ of a self and world seeking to save itself from fear.
Though is seems to be a Satanic or blind persecution, it – as with Job or Jesus – serves a higher purpose unknowing.
Instead of ‘zombies’ try, the poor who are dispossessed even by the little they have.
I am sorry masks will come off the moment they retreat and those left will be slagged rotten. They are a fucking joke and people will be reminded as much if the government boot is ever relinuished.
I think it won’t be long before people realise that mask-wearing is actually doing potential damage to their health. Many are being told by their doctors to not wear them because they’ve caused bacterial infections, thrush, skin and dental problems, not to mention aggravating conditions like Asthma and COPD. I see people in filthy, wet face naps, in the pouring rain, breathing in constantly all the mould spores, bacteria, pollution and also, the minute particles from their mask fabric. Nearly all the mask wearers I know have been getting colds (and sending off or going for tests, and surprise, surprise, testing positive!)
You are being disingenuous here. Medics wear masks that are much more tightly fitted and for longer durations than someone just doing their shopping. These sorts of injuries are to be expected but they are not injuries that you will see amongst non-medics.
One should not discount that this is absolutely intentional. Mandatory masks to ruin the health of those wearing it. My problem here is that there are no exemptions here. Just like there are no disabled people. As a foreigner, I am treated with contempt in the first place. The largest supermarket has armed guards enforcing masks at the entrance. Observing elderly people wearing their face diapers at 30°C while riding their bike is an image to endure.
Many may well choose to continue to wear a mask, and that is their choice. But any who try to moralise to the rest of us, will need regular reminders that slaves can only speak to the free after being granted permission.
It is also getting more nasty. It has now gone on so long and many have invested so much of their credibility in this hoo-haa that they now have too much to loose to give up now and so they are doing all they can to keep the show on the road.
The news this morning was wittering on about hospital ICU units being full of young people in their 30s and 40s seriously ill with covid and fighting for their lives. No mention of numbers, details, data, just yet more anecdotal stuff to keep the scare stories moving along.
Yes, it’s nastier. But the essential dynamic of the regime digging deeper in its hole in the hope of getting to Australia, saving face at all costs, has not changed in nine months. It’s quite boring, and I don’t see the force that will move it on.
Yesterday Jeremy Vine was worrying about a reported significant decline in the population of London which is apparently a bit of a mystery.
Al Jazeera has the answer.
So on top of the millions now on the dole we can add another million people who have lost their jobs and returned home abroad.
Some may think this a good thing, I do not since I recall a Sidmouth hotel manager telling me twenty years ago that the hospitality industry would be f*cked without foreign workers.
Interesting the Unherd article, apart from the nonsense about wearing face muzzles of course.
Clearly this information hasn’t reached Billy Whitty, who I believe was back to warning of the danger of collecting the CCP Virus off surfaces last night. It was Billy’s lies in his attempts to prolong the misery and damage of the first lockdown that made me a sceptic.
In my office persuading the staff this surface spread was bogus and regular getting windows open was far more important took a bit of work but seemed obvious. The clear failings of people trained in the NHS to see and promote this must be one of the main reasons the UK CCP Virus performance is so dire and spread in NHS settings is so rife.
Does everybody there slavishly follow the words of Billy Whitty, if so we are doomed, even to the layman the guy is full of deception.
What I would like to see is more emphasis on how little the risk is of virus contagion outside, even possibly in crowds (BLM protests). I feel maybe such study would show the folly of Billy’s stay indoors message.
That we haven’t a single senior politician who has the intellectual confidence to challenge Billy and his boys and girls, leaves us in a bad state. Billy Whitty needs sacking but Bunter seems powerless to do it.
I saw some weird posts on Twitter, one claiming they caught covid on a woodland walk, another during a 45-minute chat in a field 6 foot apart on a windy day! Personally, I trust fresh air for keeping bugs at bay as my parents were told that when I was a sickly child. I believe good ventilation in shops and hospitals and workplaces would do way more good than the current measures.
Amazing, you have been indoors all day and you can identify the exact moment you caught it. Does it come up on your fitbit as you were outside? Jesus people are fucking stupid just to get a few clicks on twitter!
“Regularly getting the windows open” would be a problem to a lot of us. I know I’ve missed out on quite a lot of social events I would have otherwise attended since Lockdown first started – because I was worried that some rule-abider/fearful would open the windows even if it was too cold to do so. Hence I’d land up being cold because of that person – so I avoided going altogether because “there’s always one…..” and I would have certainly fallen out with them because of them not caring about me freezing. That “one” has been responsible for a lot of my missing social life (and I live on my own…so I need it).
I don’t follow your logic here, or is this satirical?
Do you have Reynaud’s syndrome?
If not, is there a good reason why you can’t just take an extra layer, just in case? I think it unreasonable to blame the fresh-air freaks for your potential discomfort.
Rather precious!
danny
4 years ago
The UK seems to mixed their traditional “mustn’t grumble” stoicism (what can you do? Just accept all this) with abject terror and self interest (no matter how small the risk or the cost to lives, nobody is coming near me).
Hard to see an Italian style collective pushback or French style mass protest here. Even the US are more motivated in terms of civil liberties than the UK.
I think we will be locking down, banning family visits and crippling the economy, in masks, long after the rest of the world has called it quits.
Are the mask wearers out for a walk in the countryside showing super scientific recognition that the virus is spread on the air and can travel for miles?
If this is the case, how come they haven’t done the maths and worked out that their mask is about as much as a deterrant to a virus as chicken wire to a mosquito?
17 weeks of isolation and processed food would make the most robust immune system wobble. The bugs are always there, it’s just whether you’re fit enough to deal with them, or not.
The lockdown restrictions specifically do not apply to the sky or the UK’s territorial waters. So if one has one’s own boat or plane, one can ignore all the restrictions.
If it is any consolation, I share your despise of the sanctimonious, self-righteous lockdown freaks who lecture about people not following the rules and calling for everyone to just comply so “we can get past this”.
They are so spectacularly up their own well covered arses they don’t for minute consider the possibility that the virus is unsuppressable.
They are mental midgets who think that the solution to the problem is obedience.
Agree. And when this is over, they will try to gloss over their complicity in this shit show and try to pretend nothing happened. Like school bullies who try to reach out on anti-social media or during school reunions.
It will be our scared duty to remind them forever of their part in this. They should never be allowed to get away in their part of inflicting misery on other people in the name of “safety”
We all have to make sure that we keep calling out those who think they are in positions of power etc every time we spot hypocrisy on their part. It’s not one rule for them and another for us.
The well cushioned will follow suit at some point. There’s no way they can escape the looming economic Armageddon.
And there’s also the wake up call when they or hubby/wifey get sick like with cancer, they’re put back at number 800,000 in the queue and their beloved NHS won’t see to them until 2023!
I think its because there is nowhere where I can join the cause to show my disagreement. In brexit you had two sides with clearly defined views. Marches were arranged, t-shirts sold, views expressed and debated in the msm. But what do we have. None of my friends/family believe this government bullshit. I only know of one couple who are believers. BUT! I don’t see any debate. The rallying points have all been shut down, there is only one point of view expressed on msm. Doctors and nurses are silenced. The news can say hospital full of young people and nobody can challenge this. Covid Karen’s rule the put your fucking mask on debate. There are no two opinion debates on the bbc or gmb only finger wagging lectures on following the government narrative. You cannot push back against the tide, you can build a wall to stop the tide but you cannot do this alone. If it wasn’t for this site allowing me to air my views I don’t know where I would be. So thanks to all of you for helping me stay sane. I wrote a song about depression called the Dark a few years ago, the last verse is:
“Only one way out this plight,
To take a leap of faith tonight,
The wind is roaring past my ears,
I know the pain will end my tears”
Cecil B
4 years ago
The Rapists Dad and Sadist in Chief of Wales has introduced new shopping laws
The old and sick will now be required to stand in lines outside shops for hours on end before they can collect their rations
Good thing it’s not January
The numbers for respiratory illness must be kept up at all costs if the May elections are to be cancelled
Is it a fair election though if one side of the argument has been free access to use psyops on the electorate for the past year? Maybe hasn’t happened in Switzerland but I know it has in some countries.
What I read from the latest news conference last night is that they know the public is not with them this time. Compare demand for school places in April then now, traffic, shops deeming themselves “essential”, just general footfall in parks etc. The MSM is full everyday of abuses by the police and overreach. No clapping for the NHS, no heartwarming stories of taking up hobbies and “all in it together”. Even Joe Wicks has started farting on screen during his feel good chinese state style daily exercises.
Point is, no matter how exasperated we feel, we must recognise the difference this time around. And like a teacher with no power over an increasingly rowdy class, Boris has seen everyone getting out of their chairs and grandly declared “ok kids, I’ve decided that you can get out of your chairs now, so up you get.”
Yes, and the unrest will only grow stronger as we move into spring, better weather, the over 70s jabbed, and still people are not allowed to see grandma or go to the pub. However, I fear that what will become a deafening plea to open up will be ignored, barring some minor concessions. Tier 2 all year for most of us from April onwards.
You’re right, though. Many people I know at work who have been ultra-compliant or unquestioning are reaching the limits of endurance. For all that Johnson has erred in so many ways, I do sense that even though SAGE (plus Hancock and Gove) will have been begging him to go further (curfews, outdoor masking and cutting the “rule of two” for exercise would have been the obvious things) he recognises that going further is going to cut no ice with the weary public.
I have a feeling this will all break down in the next month or two. For example, now there is a £7000 quid fine for enforcing mask wearing on those who deem themselves exempt. It may not be a case in law, but it can quickly become one in the public conscious.
This sets the flood gates for compensation claims for other things such as PCR testing and mask wearing ailments.
I feel sorry for medical staff in that wearing a mask in a hospital can be seen to be within the bounds of infection control. Even though I disagree with its efficacy and think its virtue signalling by management. In shops and other places though, it’s plain daft.
Agree. The fact that supermarkets after being challenged by fellow sceptics here and those of Twitter have been backpedalling shows they haven’t got a leg to stand on and have been thrown under the bus by the government.
As that Disability Rights press release has stated “no mask no entry” is akin to displaying a sign saying “no blacks” or “no gays.” Imagine the outcry if that was the case.
The cracks are becoming bigger and people are getting fed up.
Whilst I was lucky to have survived hanging on to my job, I realise that others are not so fortunate and the longer this goes on, we’ll hear more about job losses and bankruptcies. Of course keeping my job is a Pyrrhic victory as we’re still shut, the best way is to open up without restrictions but my workplace can’t afford to break ranks.
The likes of Mexico, Italy, Poland and now Switzerland are showing what happens when the public has had enough. As I said here on New Year’s Day, things are going to get ugly and will get even uglier as the weeks go by. I do foresee either mass civil disobedience or rioting at some point.
Congrats on retaining your job. You mentioned before that your colleagues were all for the lockdowns etc – do you know if this opinion/mood has changed now that reality has hit some and will be redundant?
On Toby’s spat with Ipso: saying that the science changes every day on viruses is horseshit. It changes extremely slowly. What you are seeing are hypotheses being thrown out and the media latching onto these. No random controlled tests, or even good empirical studies.. Just models and correlations, what-ifs and the Precautionary Principle.
Toby was correct about T-cell immunity as this has been basic understanding for decades at least. He’s still correct today. They are the ones who have to provide evidence for their claims not the other way round.
What we are seeing is reporting and measurement being fiddled to suit an agenda. The dumb thing is that it’s obvious to anyone who cares to look. And it’s glaring obvious that any of these stupid measures have any effect whatsoever in the grand scheme of things.
Another thing is the section about liabilty is spot on. Everytime you brake in a car it has the potential to cause an accident somewhere in the traffic chain. Do we make people liable for this now?
Also saying A can transfer asymptomatically is again horseshit. This has never been the case nor has it been what the models use either. This is like the second hand smoke argument.
I really don’t get it: so Toby Young got some science wrong, well so what? he’s not a scientist, if people choose to take him as an authority on science that’s their problem. In the free market place of ideas, anyone should be able to pontificate on whatever subject they choose, and the principle of ‘caveat emptor’ should govern who you choose to listen to. It seems like just an excuse to censor and censure any resistance to the relentless propaganda which is holding up this monumental hoax
I agree fully with @mhcp’s first sentence. I still fail to see what science Toby did get wrong. Toby put forward the longstanding scientific arguments about the characteristics of (all) viruses which were accepted by most mainstream scientists in that field, within the parameters of normal scientific research and debate.
It is the scientists leading the recent change of interpretation of viral ‘behaviour’ with regard to SARS CoV2, and who are thereby challenging mainstream science, who should be regarded as being outside the box and asked to explain the radical scientific interpretations that they are applying.
Technically, the herd immunity threshold is reached when, if the population had zero infections and a small number of infections were introduced, zero infections is a stable equilibrium. By definition, at the peak of the epidemic curve, the effective reproduction number passed through 1.0, implying that the number of infections was shrinking. One could argue that it is possible that the herd immunity threshold was reached at the peak of the epidemic curve, but was not sufficient to prevent COVID-19 from transitioning into an endemic seasonal virus.
My local fish and chip shop will be only too willing to dtich the “No mask ? No food” for “No hazmat suit? No Food”.
The nearby sandwich shop will have a sanctimonious poster with “Why I wear a hazmat suit”,
Both on the boycott forever list.
‘As logically it must: pile enough men over the top and in the end numbers win.’
That was the German method and their offensive of 1918 very nearly succeeded.
But they were held and then, at the Battle of Amiens, the new wonder weapon, the Tank, finally deployed, as it should always have been, ‘en masse’, achieved a significant breakthrough on a narrow front at a propitious area of weakness (perfected during the Second World War as ‘Blitzkrieg’ by the German Army, all arms battlegroups combined with close air support, Divisional Commanders well forward).
And the rest is history. The Tank was one of Churchill’s most brilliant interventions, created, as it was, by Admiralty funding signed off by Churchill as First Lord of the Admiralty.
The mass procurement of vaccines could be construed as the present Prime Minister’s ‘Tank’ moment but Churchill’s First World War record is better remembered for Gallipoli, the disaster of the Dardanelles. The thousands of care home deaths April/May 2020 should most certainly cast a similar pall on the reputations of the key government protagonists when the history books are written.
Nah, the vaccines are going to be a gigantic bust as far as stopping PCR detected infections. (Fantastic for the big pharma as corona vaccines are set to become a second seasonal flu jab).
The WWI analogies are spot on as far as the madness of the strategists goes. But that’s as far as the analogy will hold, I think. There are no closely matched rivals here. Every country is Germany on this one and will eventually drop from economic, mental and moral exhaustion.
Impossible to predict when though. Could be a while.
‘Many were Wurtembergers, and these for the most part appeared to be quite fit and sturdy, but if you looked at them closely you could see the effects of long, systematic underfeeding.’
But they still had to be beaten on the ground, so nearly having struck the victorious final blow themselves in their well planned offensive of 21 March 1918.
And beaten in battle they were, by the Tank:
‘When the horsemen and their rivals in armour swept across the Santerre plateau, driving terror-stricken Germans in front of them, they did the most amazing things. The headquarters of the 11th German Corps in huts at Framerville was charged by tanks and the Corps Staff pursued down roads and across fields, one general escaping capture by running like a hare.’
‘The British flag was hoisted on the headquarters of the 11th Corps (commanded by General Kuhne) by noon, and the tanks carried their own flag to victory as well.’
‘Despite the unorganised attempts at destruction, an enormous amount of stores and a large number of guns of all kinds had to be left to us, and the tank crew, who came back looking like sweeps, steadily added to the tale of success.’
Lockdown 3 has previously been compared to the Third Battle of Ypres here, more insanity with the same result.
Johnson clearly wants to be compared to Churchillwhich is why he likens fighting Covid to a world war. Apart from the damage wrought by lockdown it is nothing of the kind.
Churchill is wrongly traduced over Gallipoli, he envisaged a Naval assault only; the War Office turned it into a landing then gave Churchill a second rate fleet and a Flag Admiral who had a nervous breakdown the day before action commenced.
But it was undoubtedly his strategy and, as the Second World War demonstrated again, this time in Greece, quite probably not one ever likely to succeed; many bridges to far…..
Once he had Alanbrooke at his side, the idea of drawing the German Army into the quagmire of Italy took hold, with results for all to see, despite the brilliance of that talented airman turned General, Kesselring….
Having read Churchill’s defence of the Gallipoli strategy, I’m not convinced it was a bad idea. But it was not pursued properly at the start (not Churchill’s fault), which led to the subsequent failure as the defences had been prepared. Surely an attempt to outflank the enemy, which was almost certainly going to be far less costly than yet another offensive on the Western Front, was worth a try.
I’m tempted to draw comparisons with the Great Barrington Declaration, but the parallels can’t be pushed too far – that concept remains valid.
Churchill was fearless of responsibility – yet another characteristic Johnson lacks compared with his hero.
It was certainly a bold strategy. Could Britain have maintained and supported an army in the field of sufficient size to cause the collapse of Turkey? Probably not:
‘The effectiveness of the Turkish coastal defences and minefields should have come as no surprise, to the British at least.
Robert O’Neill, one of Australia’s most respected historians, notes that the British built a significant part of the Turkish defences that destroyed several massive allied warships.’
‘…there’s a risk of overlooking the very effective and courageous resistance of the Turkish army. They were very capable. They had many tricks up their sleeves that the Australians had to learn and they were experienced and hardened soldiers” – more so than most of the Australians. “They had very experienced officers who knew how to command in combat.’
‘“How strange it is that Winston Churchill, a voracious student of military history, thought that a force of some 60,000 men, backed by the Royal Navy, would rapidly induce a Turkish collapse leading to the seizure and occupation of Constantinople,” O’Neill says. “He saw the Ottoman Empire as moribund. Unfortunately the Ottoman Empire in 1914 had plenty of fight left in it.”
But I do agree that, had the plan been better executed, it might have achieved some spectacular gains, as bold plans, carried out with elan, often do:
‘Historian Peter Stanley holds a different view of the Allied chances of victory. He argues that if the Anzacs had been able to advance further in the first days after the landing and capture a much bigger beachhead, then they might have been able to land the Australian Light Horse. These mounted infantry could have ranged over the more open ground behind the rough terrain of Anzac Cove and attacked the Turkish supply lines. The outcome then could have been different, Stanley believes.’
Interesting view – although I guess this one will always be mired in counterfactuals.
But surely any alternative to sending 18-yr-olds against barbed wire and machine guns was worth a go, as Churchill argues.
Churchill worshipped the Blenheim campaign. But had that not happened, or Marlborough had been forced to call it off early on, what chances would later historians given for its hypothetical success? Pretty close to zero I am sure, and yet it worked.
Indeed….and most of his Generals tried to dissuade the German leader from an assault through the Ardennes but it worked……the first time……..
Blenheim needed Marlborough and the Ardennes attack needed Manstein, Rommel and the rest, just as the successful British withdrawal to Dunkirk needed a stellar cast of Alanbrooke, Alexander and Monty…..
Undoubtedly, to have any success, Gallipoli would have required a General of calibre…..maybe a cavalryman like Allenby could have done something……..or maybe Churchill needed an Alanbrooke in the Admiralty at the time. He had Fisher but they were too close.
In one of his books Churchill remarked that in war al repetitions are dangerous – with the implication that a one-off audacious move stood to gain a great deal, and was usually worth a go – that seems to be his guiding principle.
Every single national political leader in the developed world will be regarded by history as a capering clown…..
Forthcoming elections, and they will be forthcoming, everywhere will be interesting.
If Trump, with the biggest Republican voter turn out in history, could not survive then I doubt many other incumbents will manage it.
TJN
4 years ago
… such is the absurdity of typical seventeenth-century witchcraft cases it is tempting to condemn the perpetrators and witnesses out of hand. But we must judge them against the prevailing standards of their own time. The many parallels with our own age should break any complacency we may hold about our own better natures. The days of the judicial or mob murder of old women (and less commonly men) for witchcraft have, in Western societies at least, passed. But mankind’s penchant for the persecution of his fellow man lives on. Witch hunts – ancient or modern, and whether aimed at ‘witches’ or other minorities or individuals – draw life from characteristics latent and enduring in the human psyche: a need to blame another for one’s own misfortunes or fears; the herd instinct, and a willingness to disdain or fear individuals who lie outside the herd – that is classical group-think; a need to indulge self-righteousness, and the inherent moral superiority it gives over lesser beings; that same self-righteousness in the persecutor that allows of no self-doubts and no admission of his own fallibility; a willingness to accuse and then to condemn without reasonable evidence or even logic; the conceit that derives from pseudo-intellectualism. We shall see all these traits in the Bideford witchcraft scare. They can all be seen in almost any society today.
… [continued in conclusion] …
Charles Mackay, the nineteenth-century writer and poet, in an observation all the more withering for being so true, famously remarked: ‘Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.’ He might well have added that very many men are incapable of thinking for themselves, that most are afraid to do so, and that the first individuals to recover their senses from crowd-induced delusion are often the objects of derision, censure, and even retribution.
The opening Einstein quote from my forthcoming book is “the mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the one who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices.”
The second bit could just as easily read ‘how any proper scientist can help’, but it isn’t so catchy …
The Rule of Pricks
4 years ago
So out of interest I wondered how much my local council had ‘suffered’ since March, how much of our money it was looking save and preparation for the downturn in money it receives and how it had looked around at the services it was no longer providing and cut costs there.
Given it seems to have been rolling out new cycle lanes, an entirely new bin collection ‘regime’ and endless propaganda posters I wasnt hopeful.
After an FOI request I received
Since 26th March 2020.
1. How many employees of LBHF have been or are currently on furlough?
0
2. How many employees of LBHF have been made redundant?
29
3. Which council departments have been affected by staff redundancy or furloughed staff?
Environment 10 Economy 5 Resources 13 Finance 0 Social Care 1 Children’s 0
So it pretty much looks like my council regards this as business as usual/we have an open cheque book!
No librarians furloughed? No bulk waste collection staff furloughed? All the other services that were suspended?
I wonder if this is the same across the country – I suspect it is……
I got asked to comment on a recent council led initiative seeking funding to build up communities and a lot of the criteria was around sustainability of local small businesses. Economy, social impact, environmental impact etc. That sort of thing.
I declined the offer but did respond to say that the council, by approving these lockdowns, have down as much damage as could ever be done to destroy small businesses and the ambition of their owners. Once we agree on that baseline understanding, we can talk.
Following on from the great Northumbrian Nomad, I feel LS editorial policy is completely wrong. I log in with my coffee every morning, the first thing I do but increasingly find a) the government narrative with a “ooh isn’t this bad” comment. This is followed by b) graphs including data about ‘Covid cases’ – there is no such thing as a Covid case because there is no reliable test. Later on, c) every day, I am insulted as I am a Socialist (for the many, not the few) and now we’ve got Toby telling us about his kids “lunch & supper”. I suppose he means ‘dinner’ and ‘tea’ but what would I know?
“A Beijing-based immunologist, who requested anonymity, told the Global Times on Friday that the world should suspend the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine represented by Pfizer, as this new technology has not proven safety in large-scale use or in preventing any infectious diseases.
Older people, especially those over 80, should not be recommended to receive any COVID-19 vaccine, he said.”
The vaccine is the only way out for government that does not force them to say that what we did was a mistake. It’s the only way to declare victory.
That’s my fear. The vaccine is too convenient an answer. But years of science has suggested that finding truly effective vaccines against Corona and all respiratory viruses has been super tricky owing to the mutating. Flu vaccines are not that effective either in the face of different variants, I understand. The bland assertions that the vaccines will still work anyway are based on dogma not science.
The control studies then did not include many (or even any) old people, who are affected by this. They are also more vulnerable to side effects of the vaccine and their immune systems are less likely to benefit from it anyway.
In the end this will end up becoming a strategy of forcing the young to get vaccinated so as to protect the old. But the young are so little at risk that they will get zero personal benefit but incur risk from the vaccine. The ethics then start to get highly questionable.
Ultimately, this will be another disaster. I can feel it coming but hope I am wrong.
They have placed all eggs in one basket, vaccines. They have not even been smart enough to have a safety valve at least as in the US with regular updating of suspected side effects. They have relied on censorship or OFSTED rules having none of the tabloids reporting these events in Norway. We have had 50 times more vaccines in Norway and miraculously no side effects? Is this Albania under Enhver Hodha with 120 % uptake of measles vaccine?
They have no control of anything and the house of cards is soon collapsing. They can’t even gag SAGE members. If BJ was trying to have an optimistic message he would surely sack the Deputy Medical Officer quoted of his view having vaccines every 6th months and masks forever.
Vaccines fail, BJ sets all the blame on the scientific mullahs (Vallance, Whitty and VT), sacks them and puts a GBDer in charge.
That would take a spectacular amount of political skill to survive, though. With Labour calling for a zero-covid strategy and the Labour friendly press stiring the country up with daily death count, it would require a fair amount. of skill and courage to go that way.
Not sure where the courage would come from given they didn’t have it when this all kicked off.
I think most British people would pick your second option. Zero Covid is an unachievable fantasy. Love it how GBD continues to quietly offer a solution long after it has been disregarded.
I fear you are right.
The interesting thing is that seems to me the least tenable position politically speaking.
There would be pressure from Labour for zero-covid and there would be pressure within the Conservative party for GBD.
Actually, the most likely is that when PCR infections come down naturally, they will claim victory for the vaccine, kick the can down the road and the panic will kick off again with the next spike in infections. – new variant, vaccine not effective, new round of vaccinations.
Eventually it will all blow up. Just hard to predict when. Could be ages.
Forget about it being a vaccine, it isn’t. Covid19 hasn’t been isolated so there is no vaccine, how can there be? Astra Zeneca is the only vaccine but that is made from a monkey virus, because, yes, they have not isolated the COV19 virus, geddit? Pfizer / Moderna is not a vaccine it is an experimental genetic modifier they have called it a vaccine to fast track it by cutting corners and we are their lab rats.
Indeed. I think they are rapidly approaching the point where the second option becomes unfeasible, certainly if the vaccines fail to stop the case-demic. Unfortunately the first option includes the risk of ministers going to prison, so will never be considered seriously. Authoritarianism is all that remains to protect their incompetent, corrupt arses.
However, there is still the option of winding down PCR and replacing with LFT. Unfortunately, France is torpedoing that idea at the monent and our morons will be forced by the meeja to copy them.
Further in the article. This is important news.They have done autopsies which confirms that the vaccines have contributed to deaths.Norway has one of the best heath system in the world. Iceland,Israel and Swedn has reported reaction in a transparent manner you would expect of a modern health system.What about UK any reports from MHRA like the ones from US CDC? Or is the UK system a third world system?
“Thus far Norway says it has administered doses to up to 33,000 people, including the elderly, but are already finding it “too risky” for the terminally ill and people over 80 that are in frail condition. Given only 33,000 injected so far, the reported death count is already staggering and is causing officials to sound the alarm:
Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have so far been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.”
So much for things being “safe” and that a rapid development of a vaccine can work. There aren’t any shortcuts I’m afraid. Because the last time with Swine Flu we had narcolepsy.
The governments are in the thrall of the Theorists. They’ll only change when they feel a real threat.
Are reports of similar cases in the UK being suppressed then I wonder? Taking the Norwegian report at its word, there must be many more here given the number of vaccines done already.
As our numbers have sky-rocketed since the vaccine came in, I’d describe it as ineffective at best. At worst, the cause. But I am a mere non-scientist. What do I know?
In my limited understanding of it, treatments are developed by medical teams, with boots on the ground. The success or failure of these are then communicated to the wider medical science community. Big pharma aren’t very keen on this and would rather dictate to the professionals, which treatments or vaccines should be used.
This has been debated for years with little widespread concern and here we are now, in the biggest cluster fuck of all time.
Stop Press:Off Guardianreports on the #IOAPRO (I Am Open) campaign, which is set to see 50,000 Italian restaurant owners defy restrictions and open their restaurants in an act of civil disobedience. The #IOAPRO movement is already spreading into Poland and parts of Switzerland. Come on, England. What are you waiting for?
“Health is about living. A healthy person can achieve a range of potentials, physical and mental. A healthy society is one that enables its people to flourish. Disease is but one obstacle to health, and not necessarily the biggest. Obsession with disease, when it becomes so unbalanced, can be detrimental to public health, damaging whole lives, not just the parts you can measure. Poverty, anxiety, desperation, anger, sleeplessness, depression – all of this can affect our lives just as much or more than a clinical condition.”
”The government is not above the law. Sooner or later it will be held accountable for the dreadful, avoidable damage it has done to so many of us.”
Any scientist/statistician doing work on collating and assessing deaths caused by lockdown?
The government published some figures in the summer which lead me to ask my wife if the difference between published Death by Covid and Death by Lockdown had really been worth all the restrictions (it was a rhetorical question to her).
I suspect HMG decided not to publish any more on those lines but it maybe some in msm are now raising questions on some of the less desirable products of LD eg. child abuse,domestic abuse,lack of education etc.
I would like a reloable source to produce to LD supporters – the work done countering the government and Ministry of Truth line viz deaths being astronomically high in 2020 has been very helpful but seems to fall on deaf ears. People chose what they want to hear,I suppose but I want to keep on trying to put the sceptic case.
The excess deaths at home is interesting though. Double the normal amount apparently which suggests people were more scared of over-burdening the NHS than getting treatment.
I would have thought the answer to that is “Prove it.” After all, businesses going down are visible on nearly every high street, people dying from Covid is not (reported on the MSM is not the same thing).
Except Sweden and Florida say otherwise. The real question is what are people actually dying off during a lockdown and are collateral effects being missed
I see more people are waking up across the world to the fact these restrictions are being utilised for ulterior motives.
Everywhere except Scotland ofcourse, we’re daft.
Yes,I have a friend in Stasiland.
He seems to spend his days in retirement posting video clips and jokes on Whatsapp.
But he’s pretty compliant and not bolshy over things; he doesn’t like NicholaS though – what a surprise.
I’m glad you agree what a thick bunch we are and yet claim to be freedom fighters you could not make it up. If it weren’t for family ties I would be off. Depending the fall out of this I am considering moving to the North of England.
I see that and at the same time more people becoming aggressively hostile to lockdown skepticism, which is natural as the cognitive dissonance mounts.
When lockdowns, masks, distancing and handwashing have failed miserably the only place left for them to go is lack of compliance. They cling on to New Zealand as a last shred of evidence that lockdowns work.
I’m back on Facebook and have joined a few Scottish groups who are against lockdowns. We are not all daft, although in 10 months I’m coming to the conclusion the daftest are the most educated and have the most degrees but then, that could be because lockdown doesn’t affect their bank accounts in a negative way.
Cecil B
4 years ago
There are many clever lawyers out there
Surely there must be a way to get Whitty and Vallance into the witness box and require them to prove the existence of the Covid 19 virus; and the reliability of the PCR test
I doubt if their assertions would survive a decent cross examination by a top QC
If they cannot prove the reliability of the testing the whole narrative falls apart
Perhaps a ‘Trojan Horse’ of a Free Speech Union case against Facebook et al could provide the opportunity
Equally a simple challenged Fixed Penalty fine case could be used. Demand the State comes to court and proves the existence of covid and the reliability of their testing
In Norway there have been twenty-three vaccine related deaths. The country has vaccinated twenty-five thousand people. In the United Kingdom more than two and half million people have been vaccinated and there have been no vaccine related deaths. So, in Norway the risk of dying following injection with the vaccine is almost one in a thousand, whilst the risk in the United Kingdom is zero.
According to Pfizer, the United Kingdom has already been supplied with million of does of the vaccine, and this was the first one to be offered to the public.
Have you considered that vaccine related deaths in the UK are being hushed up?
Germany and Switzerland are also investigating vaccine related deaths. And those are the only 2 countries I have news of, I am sure it happens elsewhere too.
They are absolutely useless at debating. They just throw out straw man arguments and ad hominen attacks. Their argument to appeal to feelings has no bearing here in the context of rational factual debate their position is found seriously wanting. A spineless bunch of traitors with nothing of substance to add.
Were they actually 77th? I’ve never associated the British Armed Forces with cowardice, but from what I saw of their comments last evening they struck me as cowards at heart.
Just keyboard warriors, wound up by the government accusing us of having blood on our hands. Expect more of this… The real 77th will be far more subtle, just sowing that seed of doubt…
Does the 77th brigade actually exist or is it an “urban myth” . I never heard of it before encountering this website. If it does exist for the purposes of detecting insurrection and subversion before it erupts into incidents like the Manchester Arena bombing (not a feather in their caps) then they are incredibly incompetent and the Brigardier should be demoted.
The reason being that the comments on this site alone give eidence of such disgust , anger and sheer frustrated hatred of the Gang of Four running and ruining the country that Downing St should be receiving regular reports of that anger. But all the evidence from the press conferences is that Downing st has no idea at all of the pressure building up , only when Boris is dangling from a gantry alongside his mistress like Mussolini , will he come to his senses, but by then he may have no senses at all.
Yes they do exist, I meat a few of them in Afghanistan and some even tagged along missions with us.There their main mission there was psyops and heart and minds stuff.Some were nice blokes and women but their brass were mostly public school Oxbridge types.
Is this why vaccine roll out is being done slowly? – In order to provide the natural cover that the changing of the seasons would bring in reduced figures?
I made a complaint to the BBC about the article regarding Toby’s Teegraph article. At the end they give the usual daily deaths figure as if they all died in one day. Such hypocrisy. I complained about the lack of context given with this figure, considering it appears in an article criticising another journalist’s accuracy.
How can 1500 die of CV in one day when on average during Jan 2500 might die from flu etc in previous years. Did 4000 die yesterday? No. So maybe the Fake News can inform us where are all the non CV deaths this year? Or did they just disappear?
Had a look at a pack of face nappies, the usual pale blue plasticky ones. Claimed to offer ‘better protection’, but didn’t say better than what, to whom, or from what. Distributed via the Netherlands. Made in Hong Kong.
Company based in Wuhan.
Can anyone speak spanish and do the honours of translating? On google translate the heading reads "[Read the resolution] Sala claims that covid-19 was created by Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. ("new world order")
This is the high court of Peru apparently.
Can anyone speak Spanish and translate the article. The heading reads – [Read the resolution] Sala claims that covid-19 was created by Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. (“new world order”)
“Según una de las ideas plasmadas en el auto, la covid-19 sería una invención de las «élites criminales a nivel mundial»”
According to the details within the decree, CV19 is a invention of global criminal elites.
“En la resolución se sostiene que el proceso penal se detuvo a causa de la covid-19, de manera que tenía un carácter «imprevisible», salvo para sus creadores «que lo manejaron y siguen direccionando con un secretismo a ultranza dentro de sus entornos y corporaciones mundiales, con proyecciones al proyecto 2030» [sic]”
The resolution seeks to undertake a legal/criminal process to the origin of CV-19, it’s unpredictable nature, and they manner in which they (global elites) have directed in secret, via their organisations and global corporations, the Agenda 2030 Project.
c).- El Acuerdo Plenario 01-2017 en su fundamento 18° señala: “…no se puede aceptar una prolongación de la prisión preventiva si el proceso penal quedó paralizado sin causa de justificación alguna que la legitime…”
Here is the controversial paragraph.
The Plenary Agreement under the 18th Senate states: “the continuation of the lockdown cannot be justified while the criminal/legal process remains paralised without legitimate justification
Basically, it is saying that until they actually investigate the origin of CV-19 and the cabal using it to further Agenda 2030, the Lockdown has no legal justification
Regarding Israel, I have seen differing stories – above the line today suggests the vaccine is making little difference so far, something else I read suggests it is.
If it does turn out to make little difference, then either
1) It is not as effective as claimed
2) The Israel baseline figures for covid related illness and death are as distorted as ours, so while the vaccine may be saving some lives, the overall impact won’t be noticeable among the noise of people dying of other things anyway being misclassified as covid.
(2) seems more likely, and is likely to apply here too, meaning that the govt will need to decide for themselves that this is over, or not, as they wish
Your conclusion is certainly correct. But it has been correct from the start, and the vaccine does not materially change it. A political decision was made to go in to this, and only a more or less arbitrary political decision can end it.
I suspected for some time that the second scenario would be likely. Undoubtedly our fuckwit leaders didn’t consider this (or anything strategic ever), so it will be interesting to see how they try to explain this away. I think they are going to have to manufacture a strain impervious to the vaccine. The lies are going to end up drowning them eventually.
Awake at 4am – again – so I thought I’d set an exam paper for vaccine candidates. I envisage JP sitting in the exam hall with pen in hand.
VACCINATION EXAMINATION
PART 1 – THE PFIZER VACCINE
Q1 Covid19 particularly affects the elderly, so they may benefit most from the vaccine. What percentage of the 36,000 people in the trial were aged 75 or over?
a) Over 50%
b) 20% – 50%
c) 5% – 20%
d) Under 5%
Q2 When are the Pfizer vaccine trials meant to be concluded
a) They have already been completed
b) January 2023
c) The trials have no end date; the trial sample has been widened to 68m people in the UK
Q3 The Pfizer vaccine is stated to be 95% effective
a) Is this a measure of relative risk
b) Is this a measure of absolute risk?
c) Define the distinction between relative risk and absolute risk
NOTE: Failure to answer 3(c) satisfactorily will require you to resit the module “Uses and abuses of statistics”.
Q4 How long is the Pfizer vaccine effective for?
a) 6 months
b) 9 months
c) 342 days
d) Don’t know
NOTE TO MARKERS: c above is thrown in to confuse students by providing spurious accuracy – the answer is, of course, (d)
Q5 The vaccine is intended to be provided in two doses 21 days apart. What is the clinical effect of extending the date of the second dose?
a) Don’t know
b) Don’t know
c) Don’t know
NOTE TO MARKERS – a, b and c are all correct answers.
Q6 If a person contracts Covid19 after being vaccinated, the risk of a poor clinical outcome as a result of vaccine-enhanced disease is:
a) Nil
b) Unknown
Q7 Extrapolating the statistics from the Pfizer trials:
A in a group of 10,000 unvaccinated people, 0.88% would contract Covid19. Using current mortality risk data, how many of these would sadlidie
a) 50
b) 25
c) 2
B in a group of 10,000 vaccinated people, 0.04% would contract Covid 19. Taking into account your answer to Q6 above, how many of these would sadlidie?
a) 4
b) 2
c) 0
Q8 If a vaccinated person dies within 28 days of taking the 2nd dose of the vaccine, will the death certificate record that they died:
a) from the vaccine
b) with the vaccine
c) despite the vaccine
d) there would be no record
A disabled woman assisted by Kester Disability Rights has been paid £7,000 in compensation by a service provider who refused her access to a service because she was unable to wear a face mask.
The pay-out was achieved through negotiation as there was no dispute that access had been denied, or that the Claimant had a disability exemption. The only thing to be agreed was the amount of compensation, not whether it was due or not.
Refusing access to people unable to wear face coverings due to disability is direct discimination – no different to denying access to a black or gay person for example.
Disabled people are now routinely harassed in public for not wearing face coverings – frequently given the impression that confidential medical information must be publicly disclosed to justify exemption. The fact that shops and hospitality businesses routinely display “no mask no entry” signs shows how deeply disablist attitudes are embedded in society. If premises displayed “no blacks” or “no gays” notices there would be outrage.
Fortunately the official Government position does not endorse any of this as nobody exempt from wearing a mask is expected to go around justifying themselves. Saying “I’m exempt” is enough. If the response to that can be proved to be discriminatory then compensation is due.
Ensuring this is as widely known as possible would give moral support to all those people who are exempt but feel obliged to wear face masks and it would give all those people in charge of organisations increased motivation to recognise exemptions and to ensure their staff do not harass, intimidate or discriminate. In such an atmosphere more and more people would stop wearing face masks, which, in itself, which reduce the level of fear and hysteria, and thus make critical thinking far easier and more likely.
Why is no one asking the obvious question about Israel…are they also helping to vaccinate the Palestinian people? I assume not, which means that 1. Their efforts will be less effective in achieving herd immunity when a large portion of the Arab population have been excluded and 2. They’re obviously going to use this to further quash the human rights and movements of Palestinian people.
I’d have respect for what they were doing if they used some of their military strength and massive aid budget to vaccinate the entire region regardless of whether they consider the inhabitants to be Gods “chosen people” or not.
They hope lots of Palestinians will die.
Israel is a racist and inhuman project, and Corbyn was dragged through the thorn bushes backwards to prevent him and others from stating that which is totally obvious.
Nope. Egypt, by far the largest, arrived at a peace treaty with Israel as far back as the 1970s, and has collaborated with the Israelis in turning Gaza into the world’s largest open prison. After the “Arab Spring” which removed Mubarak, Morsi made some tentative noises against this, a key reason why he was overthrown and replaced with Sisi, a totally compliant military despot. Sisi is well-funded by the USA.
Other neighbours are too weak to be much of a threat, and the Syrian government narrowly averted overthrow after a prolonged civil war encouraged by many of its own neighbours, so it is no threat to Israel. Arabs by and large do not like Israel but the single-minded desire for the “destruction of Israel and the Jewish people” is simply not there, except in the minds of the type of Zionist (who does exist – examine the writings of a certain Cynthia Ovick, for example) who thinks all non-Jews spend every waking moment trying to destroy Jews.
Absent the current lavish US arming and funding for Israel, the Israelis are potentially vulnerable, But since Zionists have a lock on both major US political parties, this isn’t going to happen. Netanyahu got a hero’s welcome when he visited Congress, although even many Israelis detest him.
If the vaccine is as dodgy as Health Impact Events and various stories (and disturbing videos) from around the world suggest, maybe the Palestinians will be fortunate to miss out on this boon of modern technology.
Some really anti-Semitic comments on here. Israel and the US have ensured that Palestine has the money for vaccination programme. It is for Palestine to decide their own vaccination programme without outside interference. Palestinians living and working in Israel will be vaccinated under the Israeli programme. Let’s hope that the finances given to Palestine will be spent only on the vaccination programme.
I don’t think suggesting this is an “anti-Semitic comment” is fair. I feel you could have asked for clarity on whether the comment is about Jewish people, or the Israeli government before assuming this. If we want to be picky, in my view the final comment in your post is just as guilty of lazy inferences as anything in the post you were criticising.
I am not antisemitic. Some of the best resisters against the corona madness have been the Orthodox Jewish community of New York. I suspect that many of them would share my negative views of the state of Israel. Bring up the term is like being labelled a Covid denier or a conspiracy theorist – it is a term used to shut down discussion.
I’m definitely not being anti-Semitic. I respect everyone’s right to have freedom over their own religious beliefs. As an atheist I am by default neutral towards all religions, and anti them when they are cited in the name of war, violence, femicide, oppression etc.
I am anti Zionism though which is quite a separate thing.
I don’t understand why the complaint against Toby was upheld. Having a cold could confer some immunity – he didn’t claim total sterilising immunity. Has the complainant proven otherwise?
And London was approaching herd immunity, provided you believe in the “R staying below 0 for a stable period” definition, rather than 1 – (1/R0) definition. Again, I feel the complainant should have to prove Gabriela Gomes wrong before this can be upheld.
This is worrying for me. The vast majority of people would take a “Toby must be wrong – because the complaint was upheld” view which doesn’t seem fair here.
“There is evidence, some evidence that the R had dropped below 1 before the ( March ) lockdown, but that doesn’t fit our narrative to enable more lockdown so we’ve ignored it. Now, look at this graph, it goes up, fast!”
Here’s the full quote by CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:
“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”
You must remember the long arm of Deep State. If you were expecting any justice in this country, dream on! Every nook and cranny of this nation is infested with greedy puppets who are in someone’s deep pockets. Depressing view isn’t it, but reality often is.
“ Last week Young told BBC Newsnight that some of his claims from an article he wrote in June had been “wrong”, where he had said a second spike of COVID-19 had “refused to materialise” and that one-metre rule is “unnecessary”.
Anyone else a bit disappointed in Toby’s step down here? Firstly, I have absolutely no idea why anyone (regardless of what you think of lockdown) thought that there wouldn’t be a winter “spike” of covid respiratory virus in the Northern hemisphere, the same as all the other respiratory viruses that we live with!
And secondly, the one-metre rule is unnecessary! I’m not saying that generally being more distant from other people is not likely to lead you to be less likely to catch a virus from them if they happen to have an active infection. But it’s completely disproportionate to make this a rule for everyone. People should be allowed to assess that risk for themselves and choose. If it was prudent in most cases then there wouldn’t be any need to make it a rule.
If we don’t ever start allowing new people to hug, touch, kiss, shag each other outside of domestic relationships that were already well established by March 2020 then this will mean the end of the human race. Unless you can afford intrauterine insemination or the guy has a 1m long dick.
Marialta
4 years ago
yes good point but we need to do more than “talk about what people are doing” we need to DO it ourselves!!
Yesterday I said my local freedom hub want to to stir up civil disobedience amongst small businesses in our town. Please can we have some more suggestions? How many of us are still there meeting within Save Our Rights/KBF or other sceptic groups to plan and carry out activities? When we met we had to creep down a side path and leave the house by a different exit to avoid being reported by neighbours – so what
I go back to a point I made a long time ago – it will mean joining up with people in person who you don’t agree with on other issues to fight a bigger cause …. it’s a lot harder than just writing a retort to them online….. but it must be done!!!!
Cecil B
4 years ago
The one thing I have learnt is that I have no idea what these lunatics will do next
My daughter has one of grabby hand on a stick toys. We could all stand on a red line down the middle of every supermarket aisle, and then use them to grab food.
There’s a new crazy thing happening in some Swedish shops just now… rather than counting people in, there is a small rail at the entrance with short coat hangers on, to which laminated number cards are attached. So if they’ve decided a maximum of 25 people can come in, then there are 25 such cards on the rail. The idea is that you take a card when you go in, carry it with you while in the shop, then tip it back on the anger as you leave. If there are no cards on the rail when you arrive, then you are supposed to wait till someone leaves. However, no one seems to have thought of how many customers will touch these cards every day – never seen anyone sanitising them…!!!
Just heard that Salisbury Cathedral is being used as a vaccination centre with the organist playing to the assembled multitudes – sounds a bit macabre to me!
Well, CofE churches have long ceased to have anything to do with Christ or God, so they might as well be used for something.
There’s some very good funeral music in the Anglican repertoire.
As I reported a few days ago my elderly presently demented mother-in-law aged 99 had her vaccine yesterday. She had to wait the required 15 minutes after the jab in a large centre which according to the brother in law was cold. Mother in law complained of being very cold. The husband who is a fit and healthy 75 year old also complained that the centre where he had his jab was cold and he had walked the1.2 miles to the centre!
Why are we asking the elderly who don’t go out and who see a few people bar their permanent carer to be vaccinated? Why are these centres so cold and should we be asking the frail elderly to sit around in such environments? So much for protecting the elderly from Ellis.
Unless I’m reading the new rules incorrectly…it’s a negative covid test or a £500 fine? That’s pennies to the rich so I assume they can still jet off and just pay it?! Obviously I think we should all be free to travel wherever we wish, but unless the Gov are actually going to order airlines and airports to cease opening, the same as pubs, hairdressers, gyms etc then this is just another way of subjugating ordinary people whilst allowing the rich to carry on.
The Coronavirus SI restrictions explicitly do not apply to the sky or the territorial waters. So if one is wealthy enough to afford a private plane or boat, one can do as one likes.
In Israel we apparently have many cases as well, but the government is ignoring it… my uncle, who is a doctor as well, was vaccinated more then 2 weeks ago. Since then he feels horrible. His other friends developed side effects as well, one of them got a severe infection in his arm and now is taking antibiotics. My uncle reported to the Ministry of Health, but nobody cares since the official policy is to continue with vaccinations at full speed. After talking with my uncle, my mom is less eager to get a vaccine….
We must in some form of end game. The scientists and media’s fascination of variants, mutants are understandable but what can we do about the spread of these? Can we have more restrictions for every new variant considering we have 12000 variants already? If we had not a success with the most stringent measures ever with LD, ruining our economy,and running with 50000 “cases” per day, how could we ever achieve anything more?. The independent SAGE group must have lost any connection with reality with recommending local travel bans and the ZERO covid policy is impossible. The government is desperate with vaccinations and imposing more restrictions of travel knowing that we have most of these strains already in the country.
It is the zero-Covid merchants we should be honing in on. In the same way Toby et al have come under intense scrutiny, these people deserve the heat turning up on them imho
Yet at the same time Democrat governors in the US are suddenly saying that ‘We can’t wait for the vaccine to take effect before we open up businesses again’..
The authors seems to be complete avoid of any public heath knowledge.Even in the worst scenario 350000 UK deaths in their calculation to achieve herd immunity is still not cost effective at all LD. They should know at least the NICE guidelines quality per year lost guidelines in NHS.Even Fergusson’s worst scenario 500000 was still not cost effective using LD,I think we would in that scenario spend 3 times more for C-19 death than any other death,cancer stroke, etc. And that is in the scenario we should believe their figures.
“Although some have suggested that there may be a degree of preexisting cross-reactive T cell and humoral (antibody-related) immunity against SARS-CoV-2 (3, 4) and that a lower proportion of infection of only 10 to 40% of the population could achieve herd immunity (5), the study of Buss et al. shows that there is no meaningful level of any such immunity.”
Tough week. Only a day or two before you release your paper Public Health England directly contradict your claims.
The Israeli vaccination figures are depressing. For the over 80s it looks like we are going to see at least 80% uptake. This is a country more than any other that I would expect to see vaccine scepticism. Even on the death figures alone less than 4000 people have died. 0.0004% of the population by my calculation.
For below 60s the grouping where we can confidently state are at negligible risk we can see 42% 50-59 / 22% 40 – 49 / sub 20% below this grouping. Presuming they have prioritised the elderly i’d expect this group to average out at at least 50%.
It’s pretty obvious that the unvvacinated will be a considerable minority wherever it is rolled out.
The are serious legal problems with requiring a test to return to your home country as a citizen or having permanent residency in the UK. According to a European Court of Justice decision, Netherlands can not require a test as requisite for coming back to your place of residence. Probably the UK government think they have been smart outsourcing this to airlines, ferry companies, Euro star requiring them to stop all passengers boarding unless having a test. It would be interesting to have a legal opinion if this is really legal in the UK to restrict citizen returning home. The PCR tests reliability might end up in court?
In addition, how on earth would it work? Practicality? As a stranger in another country how do you access such a test?
Say for instance you are on holiday in the African bush (no test centres), you then drive 5 hours that day to the airport to catch your flight back to Blighty.
These people makes incoherent plans on the back of a cigarette boxes……
Pretty sure that is what they might call an edge case. They barely care about the mass of the people. Their concern for strange exceptional cases is exactly zero.
I think you are thinking of the European Court of Human Rights, which is not part of the European Union and was created under the European Convention on Human Rights, which we are a signatory to. However, the European Court of Justice is an integral part of the European Union.
This is true, and caused a lot of problems after Christmas for Brits with residency rights in EU countries. For example the Swedish government initially allowed only their own citizens to return home, in breach of the Withdrawal Agreement. Then they lifted the ban for British residents returning home to Sweden, but mandated a pre-flight Covid test for them (minimum cost £80). However Swedes were not required to take a pre-flight test. Apparently the Swedish constitution does not allow Sweden to forbid their own citizens from returning or put any conditions on them being allowed to enter. But the rule makes a mockery of this only being about a virus, because of course a Covid-free Brit could get infected by an infected Swede on the flight..
Mrs Awkward both walking round free-faced with our lanyards on (her’s more visible than mine as she is dreading a confrontation but girding herself for it anyway). Only 2 free-faced in the shop (Morrisons).
2 Police at the self-serve tills, free-faced.
You could hear the tutting and feels the looks by the 60+ scared to die, scared to live generation at the tills casting glances between us and the Police.
The WPC must have forgot something and goes off again, past us, looks, smiles and carries on.
You could imagine the tut tutting and gasps by now.
We finish, walk past the PC waiting for his partner I can feel the “now they are going to get it startes and mutterings. He looks up, I smile, he smiles back, I nod, he hods back, we continue walking past and out the shop.
Did this make an impression on the too scared to live or die brigade? Hopefully.
To be honest, the cop could have been parked there to keep the mob off people like us. They’re not all fiends incarnate.
AethelredTheReadier
4 years ago
Morning all! Has anyone in the corridors of power and health services thought for one minute about the potentially disastrous effects of so much antibacterial gel/soap being washed into the water supply through this obsession with washing hands? It’s been on my mind for a while that we are basically poisoning the fragile ecosystems downstream – it’s another ticking timebomb because we’ve used so much of this stuff with barely a nod to the damage it inflicts. Triclosan and triclocarban, which are the chemicals used in many of the antibacterial products, do not break down in wastewater treatment. They’ll be washed into streams and rivers where they will kill the microorganisms and bacteria that other life forms depend on and so on up the food chain. It may take a few years to manifest but by then with this mania for antibacterial stuff will have done its work. Any thoughts or experts out there able to advise?
You make an excellent point about the impact on the environment.
The other massive damage is to the health of all people using anti-bacterial gels (in child’s school up to 12 times per day) as it is absorbed by the skin – think nicotine patch. This also contributes to antibiotic resistance that the Government used to warn us against.
Also anti-bacterials do not kill viruses, only kills bacteria. Soap and hot water still the best!
Did you know that Colgate used to have triclosan as an ingredient in one of their toothpastes? They only recently removed this dangerous chemical after massive pressure from health groups
Why do people who are afraid of the virus use antibacterials to protect themselves from the virus?
On the point about releasing lots of antibacterials into the environment – I suspect, natural selection will result in the evolution of more bacteria that are antibiotic resistant.
It’s more nonsense – antibacterials v a virus. I never use their gels. I think it’s high time that this was highlighted in the mainstream media because the point made by Karenovirus is highly pertinent. We are poisoning ourselves and our environment. Too many numpties and people being forced to was their hands with this toxic stuff. It’s a catastrophe waiting in the wings to happen.
The care worker I posted about earlier this week in a home with a recent Covid outbreak said
‘My fingers are burning, it’s all of us, all the constant sanitizing we have to do loads of times a day because the regulations’.
On the other hand Boots the Chemist are currently selling off consumer packaged hand sanitizer @50% off, don’t know if this is because of overstocking or reduced demand.
I suspect its both. There does seem to be sanitiser fatigue as well, the amount of times I’ve seen the sanitisers in the entrance being ignored is something I’ve lost count of.
Late August, when I was still working in a coffee shop and was often the person at the door (one reason why I quit) and was supposed to encourage people to use sanitizer, which of course I did not, one customer mentioned to me that many shops had stopped providing it. I just remarked maybe it had gotten too expensive for the shop. Mentioning how useless they are and can damage her health would have fallen on deaf ears.
The greens whipped up hysteria over coffee cups and single use plastics over the last 2-3 years and yet are silent on masks, PPE and sanitiser all of which have shown to be more harmful to the environment.
A colleague was whining to me that the sanitisers were wreaking havoc on her nails. To which I replied: “Stop using the sanitisers and wash your hands with soap & water. It’s not rocket science.”
Cecil B
4 years ago
999 call somewhere in the heart of Ingerland
“Hello, which emergency service do you require”
“Police please”
“Putting you through now. Please stay on the line”
“Police here, how may I help you”
“I wish to report a threat to life”
“Please explain, where are you?”
“I’m in the High Street, it’s a covid breach”
“What’s going on?”
“There is a bloke walking up the High Street towards The Crescent”
“And”
“What do you mean ‘and’
“What’s he doing exactly?”
“I’ve told you he’s walking along the street. Do you want me to give a description?”
“No I don’t need a a description. I need to know exactly what he’s doing”
“I’ve told you, he’s walking along the street”
“What’s wrong with that?”
“What’s wrong with that? How dare you. The government has told us that we must all behave as if we have covid. This guy is not following the spirit of the rules. He should be at home”
“Really?”
“Yes and Priti said it’s our duty to report these selfish people”
“What is your name?”
“I’d prefer to remain anonymous”
“Thank you for your call, we will send the TSG round”
That my 24th call today. Hang on got to go, just seen a couple with a push chair
I implore you all to do your public duty and help us eradicate this killer virus
How dare they walk up and down the high street apparently acting like normal human beings! We must mask up, shut up and stay in our homes forever to preserve our freedoms of..er..free association, and er.. free speech, oh and free movement…
Nailed it.
Perhaps we should have a similar phone call or talk with our GPs:
“Dr I’d like a test please.”
“Well if you have symptoms of covid, you should probably just stay home for a while…”
“No no, I want tests for ebola & legionnaire’s disease.”
“Why? are you seriously ill? what symptoms do you have?”
“I’m fine. Just took the dog for a run through the woods, I’m fit as a fiddle and haven’t even so much as sneezed in 2 months. But the Government says 33%+ of the population are walking disease vectors and have absolutely no idea they’re lethal killers. So I’d like to demand a test for ebola, & legionnaire’s. Once you’re done with that might as well check me for TB, scarlet fever,& tyhpus. can’t be too careful, can you Dr? Isn’t the whole point of testing to save lives?”
arfurmo
4 years ago
Effing Sage again “Removing coronavirus restrictions at the end of next month would be a “disaster” and put “enormous pressure” on the NHS, a leading epidemiologist has warned.
Professor John Edmunds, who works on the Government’s coronavirus response as part of the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage), told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think it would be a disaster if we removed restrictions in, say, the end of February when we have gone through this first wave of the vaccination.
“First of all vaccines aren’t ever 100% protective, and so even those that have been vaccinated would be still at some risk.
“Secondly, it is only a small fraction of the population who would have been vaccinated and if you look at the hospitalisations at the moment, about half of them are in the under 70s, and they are not in the first wave to be vaccinated.
“If we relaxed our restrictions we would immediately put the NHS under enormous pressure again.”
If SD has really eradicated flu (which seems implausible) then when we have done all the Covid vaccinations and stop the SD we’re going to have a flu epidemic. Could even happen in the summer.
Surely, though, it was said back in September that flu deaths/admissions were going to be lumped together with ‘covid’ – wasn’t it? Or is that just my fevered imagination at work?
Shushh! You don’t want to give them ideas! We’ll all be in hazmat suits soon enough.
I wonder when they’re going to provide ‘hazardous waste’ bins for all those severely contaminated bits of Chinese paper that people have had wrapped around their snotty noses, pulled on and off by their befouled fingers for (probably) weeks.
You couldn’t make this up. People got all exercised about the “English strain” and now it seems there are dozens of new “strains” being discovered everywhere, each more deadly and mutated than the last.
Why are so many suddenly appearing now? Before the “English strain” out of tens of thousands of variants somewhere between 0 and 1 had been shown to be actual new strains with an observable difference in biology (D614G).
I think we should tell Richard Dawkins because this is clearly evidence that evolution doesn’t work by random mutation and natural selection. There must be some intelligent design going on here for this to be possible.
Antibody escape strains will appear in time but this is just people panicking and doing too much sequencing.
I dreamed last night that every newspaper and media outlet in the UK was running with the following headline this morning:
Johnson: Whilst the defeat of coronaviruses lives firmly within the realms of Science Fiction, the defeat of fascism has multiple real world examples even from living memory. Not only that, but the consequences for the perpetrators are usually very severe.
OK it is not exactly a snappy headline, it wouldn’t even leave room for the latest football results, but it was only a dream.
One has always wondered how millions of Jews walked willingly to there deaths,”just take a shower and all will be well”even though the smell of burning flesh assaulted there nostrils on the morning breeze..
If you need insight into why this happened then look around you, the same mentality is alive and well today and getting stronger….
Who survived in concentration camps and who did not.
Why he felt survivor guilt because most survivors were the cunning and mean together with collaborators.
Or take the Flashman novels.
Flashman is a self-confessed liar, coward, bully and cheat. He ends up laden with honours and enjoying a happy old age. The brave and the good are the ones who end up dead.
The novels are good reading. I now know that their assessment of human nature is a hundred per cent accurate.
I don’t take Flashman’s cowardice in the novels entirely at face value – genuine cowards do not have so many adventures. His “cowardice” often comes across as prudence or pragmatism.
1. We are all being asked to give things up to deal with this problem, but the sacrifices are not evenly distributed Sunetra Gupta.2. “We are seeing inequality within countries grow. You are seeing low-skilled workers being much harder hit, women being much harder hit, younger people being much harder hit than others are,” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1349820641705398272)
The billionaires, however, are doing extremely well. The coronavirus responses have effected a massive transfer of wealth, from those lower down the socio-economic order to those at the very top.
I wonder if anyone here can shed light on what appears to be a discrepancy in mortality data? Whilst I see many assessments of IFR <1%, the ‘worldometer’ data consistently shows deaths at 3% of ‘cases which had an outcome’. Further, the current figures for the UK show 1,282 deaths per million against 48,708 cases per million – giving a figure of 2.63%. Is this perhaps related to the ‘from CV / with CV’ argument and differing reporting criteria ? I have no bias, just interested.
Surely the 3% is the CFR (case fatality rate) I.e confirmed ‘cases’ / deaths. IFR is total number of infections / death and is more of an unknown figure and will be lower than CFR.
On the NHS/Gov dashboard they publish the deaths within 28 days of a test figure and the weekly total of registered deaths with covid on the death cert. The deaths within 28 days figure is usually way higher than the registered deaths figure but they seem to see no reason to explain this and just run with the bigger figure to keep the scares up.
I’m wondering whether I’m being paranoid (though that’s quite a good state of mind to be in these days) and reading too much into Bozo’s banging on about not touching things that an ‘infected’ person has touched in yesterday’s televised fear booster. What is said on a Friday always seems to develop into some policy change over the weekend. It seemed completely bizarre, especially given the points made ATL today, but likely setting the scene for some new lunacy. Any thoughts?
Although that would be ridiculous and pointless enough to be considered desirable by our persecutors I am thinking more along the lines of the increasing perception of personal threat strategy and how the ground might be laid for a tighter lockdown and further reducing rights to leave home.
Quite possible, especially if any ministers’ mates can procure gloves. But the aim of this is probably simple – to remind the sheeple that they need to tremble in fear every time they touch a can of beans in Tesco.
What is the point of gloves? They do not have a viruskilling substance in them.
There was a very good video in spring about a nurse demonstrating with green slime how virus transfer from gloves to objects and back.
actually the same experiment with skin might actually reduce the amount of slime, as it will dry better.
I think they are just running out of things to harangue us about. they’ve been through all the basic hygeine measures and are on repeat. Last week it was coffee, now it’s hands. Desperate.
Ewan Duffy
4 years ago
My most recent missive to Ireland’s Taoiseach (Prime Minister):
Dear Mr Martin
You have only just apologised for the actions of the child fucking regime of the world in running their baby mills for Americans aka Mother and Baby Homes (whilst continuing to deny the children involved birth certs). What date is scheduled for the apology for lockdowns and the mandatory vaccination passports you refused to disown in the last few days?
It is normally 30 years or more before the Irish State admits wrong – why wait until 2050 for the State apology to be issued – end the lockdowns, pass laws that requires Health Sector staff to carry out whatever job they are told to do or lose everything (remember, constitutional rights are not absolute per the Waters and O’Doherty case) and apologise to and properly compensate those who have been screwed by your lockdowns. A good start in paying for such compensation would be a 20% reduction in the accumulated pension years of all public servants who had not retired/resigned by 31 March 2020 as by staying in service as “essential” workers, they accepted their role in the Tyrannical regime that has been in power since.
My god, sorry if everyone’s already seen it, but just came across this abomination in the telegraph website. How about ‘life’ thrives on human contact??
Yes, it’s everywhere, seemingly on many websites, the ultimate in propaganda. We have become the de facto Rebel Alliance and must develop Jedi-like skills to counter all this nonsense.
Why are shops so dangerous? Easy! Surely SAGE can figure it out? Because people are wearing virus/bacteria laden dirty face coverings/masks, cough and sneeze into them, play with them every few seconds then touch the food/tins sometimes picking it up then putting it back and spreading all those deadly germs around. If you nor your advisors can figure this out then it’s time you got new advisors, I’m available at good rates as you have destroyed my business and I’m at a loose end. I figured this out for you so better than SAGE members aren’t I? Solutions:
1 – chop off everybody’s hands so that they cannot touch their masks then the food – government/SAGE overreaction policy based on past year
2 – teach everybody not to do this, not possible, people to stupid in general
3 – get rid of facecovering requirement and go back to policies preMarch 23rd 2020 that were working – Ask Whitty, he stated on 21st July 2020 that the original policies were working. I look forward to the job
If we all sent something similar then do you think they might get the message that we are not as stupid as they are?
Just before the muzzle mandate came in, I went shopping. It was one of my better experiences. People were courteous, stepping aside, allowing space, smiling (because things seemed more positive then) and all in all there was an air of optimism.
Then, suddenly, this barking mad muzzle tripe came in, and suddenly people were pushy, grim, unfriendly, suspicious (obviously with no opportunity to smile or signal friendliness) and it all felt threatening and dark. And that’d be where the extra contamination began, if it did – though I don’t actually believe it made much difference.
So true. July it was a pleasure to shop. And people were courteous and careful. Other than the corner shop, I’ve only been into a shop once since July. All that extra money i would have spent browsing, gone.
I have had some exchanges on twitter with some people who do indeed believe that all the masks and distancing etc. have been so helpful that if we now eradicated covid we would now be having the lowest death rate ever known. Face-masks and distancing are so good we are clearly on the run-in to eternal life!
I am inclined to think these people still believe in the tooth fairy and that there is gold at the end of the rainbow!
Of course, the trouble is that the quantity of ‘Covid’ deaths is totally unknown – a rather peculiar anomaly when SARS-CoV-2 is the top and bottom of supposed concern!
After a year, very little seems to have been established about covid, by anyone anywhere. Or if it has, the findings have not been publicised widely because they do not fit the narrative
Govts and SAGE-like bodies everywhere seem uncurious about covid, almost as if they didn’t care because they are blindly following Plan A
Are we turning into a group of navel gazers, questioning ourselves because the narrative is being controlled by Her Majesty’s Govt?
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that we are LOCKDOWN sceptics, not Covid deniers or anti-vaxxers, we are against the effects of totally useless lockdowns. We know (fact) that domestic violence reports have rocketed, kids have died at the hands of their parents, people have been denied lifesaving surgery/treatment, people are dying needlessly at home because they are afraid of catching Covid in hospital and if those aren’t enough, businesses are failing, unemployment is at record levels and our kids/grandkids education and financial futures have been ruined because of the hysteria stoked by Western governments. They abandoned their well understood plans for a pandemic to copy the communists.
Toby is a big lad, with broad shoulders, he knows he gets stuff wrong as we all do. But you can’t beat the argument that Lockdowns don’t work, they are more damaging than the disease itself.
Trying to think positively I like to think of what we are promoting not we we are protesting about. FREEDOM
I find it hard to understand how cheaply people seem to hold their freedoms and human rights and civil liberties. For me the freedom of movement should be sacrosanct. when in Folsom Prison Blues, Johnny Cash sang, ‘but that train keeps a moving and that’s what tortures me’ I know exactly what he meant. I have always held the freedom of movement to be one of my most important birthrights as a UK person and I amazed at how readily so many have been prepared to give it up.
This, to me, is the best argument and cuts through all the wrangling over statistics. You simply do not remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control in free societies. This was accepted wisdom right up until last year, when first Italy and then most of the rest of the world decided to take their lead from the Chinese Communist Party. Even Ferguson admitted he didn’t think they could “get away with it” in Western democracies.
Yes, this was the hardest thing for me. Even though I had seen some evidence in my research that freedom in democracies was eroding, with the young, in particular, not valuing it, I was still taken aback by how quickly people in Western countries threw their freedom away. If we somehow get through the current episode of the Rona and things improve this summer, I don’t think it will be like 2019. I fear that the world we had before this shitshow is gone, probably for a generation (at least). All the authoritarians, from shop security guards to Xi Jinping, will have noticed how easy it was to strip people in the West of their ‘precious’ freedom, and it will be very easy to do it again and again. I’m so glad I don’t have children. The situation really is that grim, I fear.
Cecil B
4 years ago
The unblinking Whitty has convinced me that it is being run by lizards
I notice that the Astrazeneca vaccine trials took place in UK, South Africa and Brazil.
So I guess it is a coincidence that the mutant variants recently appeared came from these countries.
Perhaps some entrepreneur here should start up an employment website for ‘sceptics’. A ‘labour support’ (LS) for those who need work but are also prepared to abide by the ‘law’ but only to the letter.
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dhid
4 years ago
I’m sorry if some her may consider this pointless but I am seriously pissed of by several responses by “OKUK” to a simple link I posted to Tobys appearance on Talk Radio yesterday evening, in yesterdays comments. I posted it in case anyone would like to see/hear it.
The link went to about 30 seconds before Toby was introduced by the host.
I originally described it as an “interview” but, as was pointed out by Alice in the thread it may have been more correctly been described as a “debate”, which I acknowledged.
OKUKs first response was, “How many mins in?” to which I replied, “Link should take you to just before interview starts.”
There followed a ludicrous ranting response from “OKUK” which ended up with him/her/it calling me a 77th liar which I find deeply offensive, frankly.
I was going to ignore it and said I was going to bed but “OKUK” continued with the bile.
I have, I admit, added some slightly “choice” language responses to the thread this morning, for which, I make no apology.
I would be interested to think what people think about “OKUK”s response to a simple link I posted to an interview/debate with the guy, Toby of course, who started this site and to whom I, and I suspect many others, are very grateful for doing so.
I am a pretty robust character and can dish it as well as take it, but I was seriously pissed off by the completely unwarranted crap from “OKUK”. Frankly I would suggest that people like him/her/it are likely to make other people suggest this site is a bunch of loonies – which it clearly isn’t!
The link takes me to the top of yesterdays page. I have not yet managed to make comment links successfully work. Hope others can follow to the comment.
It takes quite a while in my browser before it eventually goes to the relevant comment which it rather strangely puts at the top of the comments but under the main page content. I think it might behave differently in various browsers, but thanks for trying to look!
the comments section here is a mixed bag with (thankfully) no censorship as far as I am aware. Its unlikely anyone remembers who said what in yesterdays comments
What works for me is not taking myself or anyone else too seriously
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Yes I know what you mean, but the response was particularly annoying as it was a response to a simple link I made to an appearance by Toby, and cast doubt on my loyalty to my country which seriously pissed me off given the context – have you looked at the comment?
Looks like a technical glitch to me. Not sure how something so innocuous ended up in an argument. But we are all understandably stressed at the moment and text chats can be easy to misinterpret. Best to let go of it, more important things to worry about.
I did actually. I’m sorry you got upset by it, we have probably all had a similar experience, especially if this is the first time we have actively participated on message threads. I had something similar a few months ago where I got offended by something on here. Let it go and move on.
I’m certainly not new here and normally I would just tell them to fuck themselves, but this is different, the scumbag owes me an apology, no-one casts doubt on my loyalty to my country. No-one.
I didn’t see the thread so cannot comment on the specifics
Obviously with a largely unmoderated comment section you will get comments that are, to some eyes, immoderate, but that IMO is vastly preferable to the alternative, as we have seen from what is happening on mainstream social media
In general the level of debate on LS is much higher than most places I have ever experienced
I would ask you to actually look at the comment – when someone accuses me of being disloyal to my country, above almost anything else, seriously pisses me off.
Mud, even if thrown my a mentally ill fool, sticks!
Netanyahu is sitting against that most Israeli of all colours purple above the line their getting his jab, I notice.
Chris Little
4 years ago
I see ITV are flashing little boxes in the top left corner of the screen at the start of programmes pushing the Covid propaganda, you know “stay at home” and all that. To my mind this is subliminal advertising, which has been illegal in the UK since 1958. Surely ITV must be stopped from doing this & given hefty fines. Do I report it to the police as a crime being committed? Any legal eagles out there have any thoughts on this.
Remember when top political commentators were saying what a nightmare Starmer would be for Johnson?
His forensic examination of policy, his attention to detail, his intelligence.
It turns out his line on everything is ‘Yes but, should’ve been sooner’.
Show them your risk assessment that says your staff do not need to wear face coverings as they do not meet “in close contact” statement in the legislation.
My experience of officialdom is that you blind them with paperwork. That’s what we did with university inspections.
Greet the rozzers with a beaming smile, say ” I’m so glad you asked that question, here is our risk assessment “. Present them with a folder complete with risk assessment, government guidelines, the legal bits, scientific trials, WHO quotes, anything looking official. Talk them through the bits they want to know.
Also have a section listing official contact and ask them their name and work id so you can document their visit. Do this while smiling sweetly through gritted teeth.
If you need help getting all the info together I have a computer, keyboard, printer, that interweb thingy and a bit of brain.
I used to run my own business and know how alone you can feel. Nil illegitimi carborundum.
The latest data from the NHS was published yesterday. I offer no commentary other than to say it’s weird. The average number of available General & Acute Adult beds during the 4th quarter of 2019 in English hospitals was 102,194.
As at 8am of the 12th Jan 2021 there were 86,105, that’s 16% fewer beds available now than a year ago.
During the 4th quarter of 2019 there were on average 90,309 occupied beds.
On the 12th Jan there were 78,306 occupied beds, so there are 15% fewer people in English hospitals now than a year ago. I gave this information to a friend who said it was because a lack of space in hospitals & too few staff, so I looked it these claims. In 2010 there were 122,551 available beds, 42% more than are available today. I didn’t notice 42% of the hospitals being demolished so presumably the space is still there. If the hospitals are jammed with covid patients why do they need extra space, you could jam them in like sardines and give space for the alleged dwindling number of non-covid patients. As to staffing, while beds are down 42% we have, according to the Nuffield Trust https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers#2-what-is-the-overall-shortfall-in-staff-in-the-nhs 44% more doctors than 2004 and 1% more nurses than 2009. So more medic looking after fewer beds. https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/Weekly-covid-admissions-and-beds-publication-210114.xlsx https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/
This was all touched upon in yesterday’s LS newsletter.
COVID has led to a giant cover up of the complete mismanagement of the health service, perpetrated by the politicians and administrators who manage the health service.
Here is the UN’s pre-coronavirus projection of the UK’s death rate. We recently reached a trough and it now climbs steadily and naturally because the population is ageing.
They have not prepared for this at all, in the same way that they have not prepared properly for the economic stress of more pensions and less tax receipts.
Good info thanks. Just to add if I’ve understood correctly the number of nurses has increased by +-1% per year, rather than 1% over the whole 11 year period.
You should download some mass grave images from the web and send them to your cousin.
And update them daily with reports about how the government here is really covering up the number of deaths, that the number cannot be trusted, that in reality there are probably 10 times more than the reported figure. Minimum.
They probably use the bodies in a furnace to heat No 10 and 11 – well the suicides anyway.
DanClarke
4 years ago
If Johnson was really determined to ‘follow the science’, he totally ignored WHO, who have said from the beginning that lockdown’s cause poverty and are set to put 100 million into extreme poverty
Do you have a local Hells Angels who could provide backup? Or any bikers really, they always look formidable in all that gear. Mention your joint on local biker groups.
Years ago, I knew a pub owner who used to do after hour lock in’s, the police started to come around and make a nuisance of themselves, so he invited them in, they became regulars.
Sounds like the police.
Jimmy Savile apparently invited people around on a regular basis for tea and biscuits. The biscuits were cheap stuff – he was a bit of a miser along with all his other negative qualities – but the people he invited round tended to be police inspectors and suchlike. His apparent immunity from prosecution may have owed something to that.
Could you video him, which you are perfectly entitled to do, and post it somewhere and explain you think he’s trying to intimidate you?
Maybe he could get banned from being served by other food outlets. I appreciate it might be a bit of a provocation which you might want to avoid though perhaps, in which case you could video him and send a copy to someone you trust to keep a copy of as evidence. Just a thought.
But my point is about all these people like teachers bleating about how they want the vaccine– the vax means their risk of death is 38% what it was before. But it’s only 10% of what they thought it was in the first place.
My 78 year old aunt said in a totally depressed voice, that 1,023 people had died today, I said that’s better than the usual 1600. A Day, she said, yes I repeated, 1600 average, 600,000 average a year, she was astounded, how did she get to that age and never wonder, I wonder
And you need to consider this also. This graph was posted on here about a week ago – it shows the actual dates of death for the numbers of people whose deaths were only officially reported on 6 January giving the impression they’d all died that one day. The current actual average daily (very arguably) ‘covid’ deaths is running at about 650-700 give or take.
I can’t tell you how these graphs are compiled but they are based on hard data published by the Office of National Statistics. I saw a similar more recent graph a few days ago and one of the deaths included in the daily tally had occurred last May!
“Full Fact” is obviously a pro-narrative propaganda source, not a fact-checking service. Just look at what it takes on – amongst all the issues around Covid. This ties them into propaganda rather than science :
“If you agree that Covid-19 spreads through contact with an infected person (which it does), then it is hard to see how banning human contact could fail to reduce the spread.”
The relevant article then goes on to bust a gut to find the odd paper that supports the efficacy of lockdowns, in the face of voluminous evidence to the contrary.
What the article is really about is whitewashing the stupidity of the British public.
The poll showed the public thought is was 7% of the population had died.
The article then goes on to explain what the public apparently meant by that.
They of course don’t do that with the poll numbers showing that 70%+ of the population want more lockdowns. They don’t consider it necessary to explain what the public really means by that.
The contortions lockdown freaks are having to do to cope with their cognitive dissonance is spectacular.
Yes. This myth is routinely whipped out by people.
WasSteph
4 years ago
You’re doing a first rate job. Please don’t be intimidated. I assume take away only in this weather is hardly making you any money (probably costing you?) but your standing up to be counted is much appreciated.
That said, if it all gets too much I’m sure we would all understand if you felt you needed a break.
R2 News 11am
30 cross-denomination Scottish church ministers threatening the sturgeon with Judicial Review for closing churches completely citing Freedom Of Religion.
Boris is right: education is extremely important for girls (and boys). Perhaps, he will not re-open all the schools and ensure the girls and boys of this land are provided with the education they need and deserve?
A semi-sceptic put this in front of me yesterday. It’s a re-hash of the last BBC fable about the relative level of mortality.
I confess that I was so irritated at the way the figures had been manipulated (see the end of the article), that I was past rational debate, having spent (like many others here) a lot of time looking at the reality of mortality over 2020, and communicating same to the semi-sceptic amongst others.
So – while I calm down, would those of you who are interested in the numbers, care to do a forensic job on this guy’s distortions? I fear my judgment may tip over into just ranting :
What is the point. How many back and forth arguments have you been on with people? I’ve had dozens. In the end, it ends up with a mutual shrug of shoulders.
The trick is to take a morally unassailable position and just regurgitate it as many times as necessary.
They have: Yes but people are dying. We cannot allow people to die.
My position is: You value life more than freedom. I value freedom above life. Like the soldiers in WWII who fought against Nazism.
There isn’t a single fact you can use to knock me off my position. It is unassailable.
It’s also very unpopular. So I’m sitting on a morally unassailable island…
I think we have to continue arguing using logi and stats – of course.
However, people have been manipulated through the use of emotion, so in order to overcome that, I think that we also have to find a way of pushing the emotional buttons.
We are up against the most aggressive propaganda campaign that I can recall. How we counter that without control of significant media is massively problematic.
Caught in an advertisment break yesterday, I was contemplating how those infantile emotional buttons are so easy to press – otherwise, why would so much be spent on media advertising?
But I reckon that we can’t abandon the underpinning rightness of appealing to reason as part of the emotional aspect.
Look further down at the info on hospital beds and patients compared to other years.
Clearly there is no real massive surge compared to other years and the problem is that capacity has been reduced over the years.
But who gives a shit? Whose listening? No one.
The BBC publishes a piece showing that the death rate is comparable to 2008 but spins it as the highest level of excess deaths since WWII, which is true in terms of absolute numbers but irrelevant in the right context.
Rick I really appreciate the statistical analysis you bring to the table. There has been a large uptick in fear porn of late I like to have the statistical background aswell as the freedom/ liberty et al arguments.
Exactly this. I would rather DIE than not see my children. My Mum would rather DIE than not be able to hug her grandchildren. There is no combination of words that will ever change this viewpoint.
“This doesn’t quite sound so bad does it? Fewer people dying per 1,000 than in 2003, and pretty much any year before. But there’s a clue here as to why this isn’t an especially meaningful comparison.
Crude mortality rates, which is what we’re talking about here, have been falling for most of the 20th and 21st century as medical science has advanced and people have lived longer. So casting this number as telling us “it’s only as bad as 2003″ isn’t quite right.”
If you actually look at one of the graphs (Deaths in England and Wales) in the article you will see that mortality had in fact been rising for some years already before 2020, although before that it had of course been falling for a long time. That is, 2020 represents a continuation of that trend.
That trend started around 2014, probably as a result of an aging populatiom plus austerity.
Conway rightly says it was the biggest jump in mortality (percentage wise) on a year on year bases), since 1940. Therefore, we look for something that happened in that particular year. In 1940 this was accounted for by the War. In 2020 it was accounted for by the unprecedented expulsion of tens of thousands of people from hospitals, and other lockdown measures.
How do we know that this was so?
Well, it is an international ‘pandemic’ right. Therefor the illness should have pretty much the same statistical effect everywhere. However, if we look at, say Germany, which also experienced a ‘pandemic’, but did not kick masses of people out of hospital, then we find no abnormal mortality for 2020, despite 1.7 million ‘cases’. Think about that – 1.7 million ‘cases’, but no impact on mortality.
Another thing:
C-19 is allegedly a respiratory disease – right? Therefore if Conways’s argument is correct, then we should find that UK hospitals treated many more respiratory patients. They did not.
Someone posted a graph showing the number of acute respiratory infections treated – it was normal.
Does anyone know where this graph is?
Conclusion – mortality rose steeply in 2020, compared to previous years, due mostly to hospital expulsions and other lockdown damage. This represented an acceleration of a pre-existing trend, going back to 2014 – probably due to aging population plus declining living standards.
Thanks for those thoughts rockoman. I guess one of the side-effects of this is that I just get fatigued with re-iterating the bleedin’ obvious.
My correspondent, having read this, was convinced that autumn-winter deaths showed an ‘excess’ way above ‘normal’. Total bollocks, of course – the post-June mortality figures are, overall, simply in the median range.
As you imply, there was the April spike – which took mortality briefly to maximum levels. But the overall figure has declined since then to around the median.
Denis Rancourt points out that the ‘pandemic’ deaths are not associated with the number of ‘cases’ nearly as much as they are associated with the severity of lockdown, with severe lockdowns preceding death surges, as in the UK.
I would also in my discussions really point out the fact that mortality rates appear to heve decisively turned upwards in 2014 in the UK, partly due to an aging population, but mainly due to falling living standards and associated politically-driven austerity measures.
If it really is the ‘pandemic’ which has been killing people, then we should be seeing greater excess mortality now than in March and April, because we have many more cases.
We are not.
What is different is that masses of patients are not now being expelled from hospitals.
To be fair the deaths do provide an uptick in 2014 but do appear to remain relatively consistent until this year 2020. Interestingly 2001,2002 and 2003 had essentially the exact same relative mortality to this year per 100,000 people population adjusted.
I’ve been reviewing the stats of late from the ONS. What I can gather is over the last 20 years we have 30 excess deaths per 100,000 people.
Given we cannot attribute all those deaths to COVID. Many will have been due to the measures related to lockdown we have to ask the questions was it worth it. That should provide a resounding no.
I think his figures are probably fine but I don’t argue that covid has little effect
my approach is
1 – covid causes lots of harm
2 – so do lockdowns
3 – you got to get the balance right – that’s what the 2014 pandemic response plan did – we shouldn’t have thrown it in the bin
4 – we have the data (and had it in march/april) to show that lockdowns don’t prevent death because they don’t affect the progression of the disease (see graph below and sweden data)
therefore we shouldn’t lockdown
I think the rights argument trumps any cost/benefit analysis but it isn’t popular
I don’t argue that Covid has little effect, but his ultimate historical figures are certainly not ‘fine’.
What I do argue – and it’s important – is that, in both medium and longer time frames, it is far from ‘unprecedented’. The hard facts lie in the basic population-adjusted figures for the quarter century. Even in that time-frame, there have been seven years of worse mortality – and we didn’t even blink.
But, of course, we have this constant use of a mere 5-year baseline – a period that is ‘unprecedented’ in terms ofremarkably low mortality.
The two year figure is actually at the median level – i.e. nowhere near exceptional when the ‘dry tinder’ balance is taken into account.
I certainly agree with you on lockdowns, and would say the same if the virus was as bad as presented. But the exaggeration is entirely egregious, and parted company with the reality back in March, when PHE downgraded the ‘pandemic’ (already newly defined to include such as this) from the ‘High Consequence’ category.
Agreed Rick, population adjusted I can see that years 2001,2002 and 2003 had essentially the exact same mortality per 100,000. There is nothing unprecedented about this year.
Can people rebut matters though by saying quality of living has improved substantially since then?
So much PCR noise in everything beyond the overall mortality numbers. Even then, with Covid or from Covid, lack of autopsies, no doubt the massive list of symptoms leading to suspected covid deaths being marked. The % dying because of Covid vs lockdown deaths is where the balance argument lands, but I don’t know how you strip away the PCR noise?
Bluntly – you can’t define ‘Covid’ numbers in the available mess of data. Thus we have to fall back on ‘all-cause’ mortality as the only reliable figures.
I’ll try to think of an easy to follow analogy which explains what they are doing. Look out for it later
I believe the comparison with 2003 used in the presentation provides the best indication of what has happened to mortality. Percentage improvements and/or deteriorations can be misleading.
e.g. I only got a 2% pay rise while you got a 5% rise. But if I’m earning 100k and you’re earning 20k – who gets the biggest rise (note not a good analogy here).
One issue I have with sceptics is we are so bloody disorganised. Too many disparate interests and views spread across many formats. There is not enough focus on the core message.
Wish I had the answers pal. I guess the only fight that needs to be fought is the Taboo over being able to express concern around lockdown harms without being shot down as a psycho.
The single biggest problem is that scepticism is seen as a conspiracy theory no matter how founded in science and medicine it is. The general public accept a position if the people proposing that position are saying that they are following the science; irrespective of the fact that science is driven by scepticism. There is a large inertia to overcome. The situation is not as bad as that faced by Copernicus or Galileo, but it is in a similar vein with appealing to authority.
If you look at Extinction Rebellion or Black Lives Matter, how have they managed to do what they have done?
Both of these have emphasised the negative aspects of their causes, in the case of XR they totally ignore other viewpoints, they are right and everyone else is wrong, irrespective of any evidence to the contrary.
The government has created a similar atmosphere, totally ignoring any dissent (paying lip service by “consulting” with Sunetra Gupta or Carl Henighan) or evidence contrary to their position, no matter how strong. They also have the ears of the MSM, and dissenting voices are suppressed as Toby has found out.
Also, places such as youtube that show valid lectures from renowned experts on immunology or virology then opponents say that it was some crank on youtube!
People like Sebastian Rushworth and Malcolm Kendrick have their blogs, but again any reference to these is poo-poohed as being a conspiracy theorist.
How to tackle this?
Lockdown Rebellion?
Lockdown lives matter?
If the subject is politicised then picketing instead of marches is legal as political picketing has not (yet) been outlawed. Also, I believe that picketing is allowed for other causes and is not just employment related.
I think we need to tap into some really base emotions to unpick some of the propaganda harm. Basically beat them at their own game. The hashtag #whataboutus with the argument that this is harmful to children. This can be left purposefully vague so that it can mean whatever people want it to mean eg. School closures, fatalities, child protection enquiries etc.
We all set a date and time and bombard social media with various messages of lockdown harms for children and young people.
Despite the fact that children are more likely to die from a meteor strike they are being used as THE propaganda tool now.
The scapegoats are the older teenager and student population.
The most worried appear to be the middle years and it is this group that are being specifically targeted with the fear campaign.
The elderly population are OK now because they are having the vaccine, and the “you’ll kill granny” meme is no longer required.
Perhaps making vulnerable adult enquiries or raising concerns with the local authorities?
Who are the targets for such a campaign? Who needs convincing?
How about total external compliance but say to everybody you come near ‘This is ridiculous isn’t it? How much longer are they going to keep this up? It’s such a scam – but we all just have to go along with it, I guess.’ It works for me every time and more and more people I know now feel the same it seems. It may seem passive and non-confrontational but that’s why it works. It’s getting everyone in your social circle to question it then they start to do the same .. I got this idea from the beginning of the first lockdown when an elderly man in a pharmacy wearing a mask said to the whole queue ‘You know they just want to kill us all!’ and not one person disagreed with him.
‘They’ knocked up a clap for Carers. Why can’t we find something similar that similarly hits the spot? There is common ground. eg. There is no reason why we couldn’t all Twitter bomb to get a phrase trending. The key is getting the message right.
We need a rich benefactor(s) to put a team of professionals and advisors together with a multi million pound budget and top legal advice to run a campaign to inform the public of what we see as the truth – that would be the time to focus on core message
Agreed, and with Toby, we also seem to be getting bogged down in debates about “the science”. Leave that to the GBD guys and other real experts. We should concentrate on three aspects. Firstly, exposing government and MSM lies, based on PHE and ONS data and statistics. That’s an easy one – the facts are readily available. Secondly, highlighting the personal and social damage caused by lockdowns. Again plenty of evidence available. Thirdly, as you suggest, giving greater publicity to those who are fighting the system in practical ways.
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Steve Naylor
4 years ago
Re masks and transmission. I thought early on that after the introduction of the mask mandate, those wearing Visors rather than masks were deluded if they thought those devices could have any effect. However, I have rethought this. It is accepted that surgical and cloth masks do very little to filter particles, perhaps inhalation of a few only. However, a mask will do a good job of aerosolising exhaled particles, which it is stated can hang in the air for considerable periods. Thus visors are BETTER at stopping the spread than any masks, since there is no aerosol produced, and particles which ARE exhaled will either fall to the floor, or remain on the inside of the device, well away from third parties. Anyone had similar thoughts ?
I no longer have a link but there was an article done on the protection levels of visors and they were found to be completely useless. Even less protection than a mask.
As a Chinese food delivery driver I’ve seen a change in peoples reactions from when our shop re-opened in May to present.
In particulate, two regular customers are worth a mention….
For months, when delivering to them, the money would be in an envelope outside and I would leave the food on the door step, knock on the door and leave. (both couples are young with young kids – not in an age related vulnerable group)
Now when I deliver both households greet me at their front doors with the pre-covid cheer, and, unfortunately, accept change.
The latest mutant ninja fear-mongering is not hitting the mark as the past fear-mongering used to.
That’s my impression. There are good and bad aspects to this. Good that people are not scared so much but bad that they are adapting to BS that would have been considered abnormal in 2019.
thinkaboutit
4 years ago
I loved the hand gestures in that video clip of the Italian restaurant chasing out the police.
Keep a diary listing everytime it happens – date, time, number of police, badge numbers if you can etc. even if they never speak to you
Once it’s happened 3 or 4 times make an official complaint for harassment, intimidation and destruction of business due to their presence affecting the business’ reputation to the force complaints department and the chief constable and threaten to take it higher if they do not give a satisfactory response.
Works – I was once stopped 3 times in the same day by the same traffic policeman but never given a ticket, complained about harassment, nice apology, traffic policemen would look a ay when I drove past his hidey hole.
If their answer contains words like guidance or guidelines point out these are not legally enforceable as have no force in law etc.
Ask for the evidence “covid safe” measures will work as they claim. Will post the FOI answer I get back from the HS+E about this very subject when I get it in a month or so.
Son last year was also stopped on numerous occasions walking the street by the same Polish policemen when he was there over the course of a week. Went to the station, complained, got really nice apology and the policeman a formal written warning.
I have got a plan kh. A lot of us would love to visit your coffee shop, but obviously we can’t travel because – well, you know why.
But there are exceptions. You can travel to get a covid test so why not pop along to your local testing centre, book about 20 tests and send them out to fellow LD sceptics.
We can then travel without getting arrested and when we get to Saffron Walden we will all get lost and end up at your cafe instead of the testing station!
Brilliant analysis by the legal expert Dominic Ford.
I’ve always held the view that governments do not do saving lives; their primary aim is to hold onto power at any cost, hence ‘Save the NHS’ has always been their lead mantra because its collapse would mean political oblivion for the Party in power. But Dominic Ford’s piece highlights an important further reason why the government must ‘Save the NHS’: it is likely that they would be held liable for the damage done to patients who could not obtain treatment were it to collapse and the sick go untreated. In such a scenario the NHS’s (i.e. the Government’s) liabilities could run into trillions (say 5 million claimants each receiving on average of half a million, making a total of 2.5 trillion – PPS compensation which cost banks ~ 60 billion is chickenfeed in comparison.
Of course they have already restricted access to the NHS over the last 10 months. As the inevitable lawsuits emerge, it will be interesting to discover the extent to which they are found to be lliable to pay compensation. Worryingly, by having the State provide healthcare, the tax payer is exposed to huge liabilities; perhaps one of the reasons other countries avoid State healthcare but instead have private insurance as the default and a safety-net for those who cannot pay.
Well actually they don’t. AFAIK Canada, S Korea, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Spain, among others have government run systems rather like we do.
If liability is an issue, it’s cheaper to socialise it – or even better have a no-fault system like New Zealand, i.e. to avoid lawyers’ fees – than to require all hospitals to have a separate insurance policy.
So can we please stop arguing how to organise healthcare and get back to the removal of our human rights on 23 03 20. Whether we live in Norway or Canada with public healthcare or Switzerland or Germany with govt-regulated private healthcare, this is an issue. Thanks.
If the virus doesn’t really spread through fomites, then the dangers associated with wearing a mask are not that serious, making masks much more important.
Only if you believed the fomite transfer was the biggest danger before associated with masks before, which personally I never have.
For me the unanswered questions were – what impact do masks have on aerosol spread? What are the risks associated with bacteria/fungi/viruses on worn masks? Are cloth masks effective in any way? Do they make idiots think they’re safe, thus taking risks that they wouldn’t have otherwise e.g. going into work with a cold provided they are wearing a mask?
The touching of the mask spreads saliva and fluids around and increases the potency of your aerosol source because of its location and continuous inflow of breath. Essentially you build a bigger infection area to spread when you breathe.
Or the realisation that masks do little to interrupt the flow of aerosols, the sea of then if you will.
there are multiple mechanisms through which masks increase transmission
1 – encourages face touching
2 – encourages people to be closer because they cant hear what the fuck each other are saying
3 – people are closer through risk compensation – ie if people think masks are more effective than they think they are then they will over-compensate
4 – it turns large droplets into small ones
There are gentlemanly codes that we should all adhere to when posting here. The most important of which is to NEVER criticise the person speaking but only what they are saying. Which is why I say without fear or favour your comment is utter garbage.
I saw a car the other day where the owner had put masks over the air ventilation outlets.
Not sure if they were taking the piss or were being serious, but I expect this might be a requirement in tier 6. Should probably leave all windows open too, and use two masks obvs
When I go shopping I don’t cough and I don’t sneeze. The only person I speak to is the cashier, who is behind a plastic screen. How exactly am I going to be spreading infected droplets all over the place?
And, as i said, the benefits were offset by fomites, leading to 0 overall effect. Which part of “if fomites don’t spread the virus” do you not undestand?
Can’t you people just have a normal, simple conversation without getting out your pitchforks?
You seem to have a very dismissive attitude to the deaf and people with disabilities. You seem to have no problem using their disabilities when it’s convenient to you, and then throw them away, discarded. Do you have a problem with disabled people? I’m not sure you using them when it’s convenient for you really called for.
Please be warned that I am Ireland where the libel laws are vicious against someone making such a statement – that you are (I assume) not in Ireland would be no defence. In fact, Ireland sees itself as an ideal place to host worldwide defamation of character cases based on the internet being global.
What even is your point? What does any of this have to do with the topic we’re discussing? Do you usually butt into other conversations just to be offended by something that wasn’t addressed to you?
Some quality trolling today. It wasn’t off-topic at all. Someone said they were exempt and you made a sarcastic reply, implying that they weren’t. I pointed out that, by government guidelines, they are exempt. That is completely on-topic.
If it was just shopping and it ended there, I might comply but it doesn’t, ever, end there. First it was masks on public transport, then when shopping, then every time you stand up in a pub or restaurant. Next it might be masks every time you leave the house as has happened in other countries. And if you accept the logic of wearing masks now then why not every flu season? Sorry, but I don’t want to live in a society where we have to go around covering our faces all the time and I choose to make my stand here.
? I thought my answer was clear enough. The harm of doing something that has little evidence of being beneficial is that it sets a precedent that leads to all sorts of nonsensical measures being taken. That has a lot to do with how we arrived in this whole mess.
Never said your answer is not clear. I said it wasn’t on topic. This argument is about the epidemiological pros and cons of wearing masks. It is besides the point to argue about the clear idiocy of ruling through decree, with no scientific backing.
We’ve had decades of research into whether mask wearing in the general public causes a reduction in the spread of respiratory illnesses. All the evidence is that it doesn’t. The WHO more or less admitted that they changed their advice, not because the evidence had changed, but because of “political pressure”. Masks are nothing more than a comfort blanket for the gullible and an arse-covering exercise for governments.
Please find any post I have made which states there was barely any research around before the Danish study. I’m afraid I’m not responsible for arguments other people make.
I will you give you one example, mine. I can’t wear one due to something that happened to me years ago that I won’t go into here. Yet I potentially face harassment every time I go out, or at the very least dirty looks. For others it is a matter of pricipal. Why should they walk about looking like a bandit ?,just because the government wanted something else to show that the public were on side with the fear and lies. It is purely about control and nothing else.
There are none. There are zero pear reviewed studies that prove any epidemiological benefits in wearing a mask..Well not in the last 13 years,Zero so job please stop the trolling or go fuck yourself.
Because the benefits were offset by spreading the virus through fomites. But if that is not a risk AS THE RESEARCH IN THE ARTICLE INDICATES, then where exactly does that leave the studies?
Which, I would contend, most sheeple do. Telling people on this site to “do some bloody research” is probably the most asinine comment to make – most of us here are sceptic as the official line being spun makes no sense and we have analysed what has been said and checked the “evidence” in favour of the official line, before debunking it.
Why wear something that offers no benefit? If others are scared, it is the others who need to grow up and learn that masks do not confer a benefit and, in fact, may nebulise droplets which, if a person is infected, make those droplets smaller and more easily absorbed by another person.
Because that is the way things have always been done around here. Efficacy of facemasks in surgical settings has also been debunked long before COVID appeared.
If this thread will teach anyone anything, the lesson will probably be that even people on the side of truth, with evidence to back them, will still be for the most part incapable of forming a logical argument.
You haven’t even read what i said, and you come here on your high and mighty horse. Did you even read today’s article where it talked about the virus not spreading through fomites? Do you even have a basic clue about what i’m talking about? No, you’re just out here, arguing with me cause you feel like arguing, and you just like to invent crap. For starters, i have NO burden of proof because i’m NOT making any claims. I am drawing conclusions. So how about first get a clue about what i’m saying, then pretend to be all offended over nothing.
I’ve pretty much had enough of this. We are being bombarded with propaganda of the most sinister kind, the whole establishment is going along with the misrepresentations involved – and even exaggerating them. People are being deliberately killed by government policy, and virtually no-one is raising a finger to stop them – even such criticism as there is muted.
Democracy is finished. This IS 1984. Mandelson a couple of decades ago said we now live in a post-democratic world. Now you have the proof. And freedom of course is the first casualty.
I have a bad feeling that you may be right. Sometimes I suspect that others have figured this out but don’t want to admit it because it’s too awful to contemplate. Many, however, never really appreciated liberal democracy and probably won’t miss it. There was public opinion evidence showing the decline of support for liberal democracy in the last decade, but I didn’t realise it was this bad.
Local paper reporting 42 deaths in our local hospital trust yesterday. We on here know they didn’t just occur in the past 24 hours. This covers two hospitals, Frimley Park and Wexham Park (and also Heatherwood but don’t think they treat covid patients). 42 deaths a day in two hospitals would normally set the alarm bells ringing, it simply is not plausible.
Data from NHS England fatalities by hospital trust – No these deaths did not all occur over the last 24 hours – it normally takes about 5 days for the near complete reporting to take place – Frimley Health Trust which includes Frimley Park and Wexham Park Hospitals has been averaging 16 deaths per day over the last 10 days. Up from 4 or 5 deaths per day in December
Royal Berkshire has been averaging 3 deaths per day over the same time
. Hampshire hospitals (Basingstoke) is averaging 5 daily deaths and Royal Surrey Guildford is averaging two deaths per day
Obviously very sad for all concerned – but I do wish the local media would look at the actual figures
There’s a curious irony in the fact that recently there has been an extraordinary focus on the legacy of slavery and its repercussions. Yet, in many countries, governments have instigated lockdowns which have had many of the same impacts as slavery. Materially,most of us may be better off now but in terms of freedom over our daily lives, I’m not so sure.
Also the early scandal that Covid impacted people of BAME backgrounds more. Ignoring the fact Africa has been largely unnoticed by Covid. Had to shoe horn it in somehow I suppose.
NRW is the most populated county in Germany and had quite high numbers, because there are a lot of people.
They were among the first to introduce mouthnosecoverings in upper schools during lessons, which the AfD successfully challenged. He also had a bad time when the Toennies outbreak happened.
When this all started last year, he most likely already was a candidate for chair of the CDU, so would have acted accordingly.
yes, people with colds of which covid-19 is one of about 200
we would expect 400,000 people a day to catch a new cold at this time of year. Zoe tries to separate covid-19 from the other colds through analysing self-reported symptoms. it won’t be perfect but I think is the best source of data
You’re right. Again, we trip over the problem that the monitoring of this virus has been rendered impossible by the (deliberate?) confusion over diagnosis, and the desire to maximise it for political reasons.
No its not normal. The death rate is average but we have lost or civil rights and liberties, been in almost permanent lockdown, denied access to healthcare and surgery, children and students denied access to education, have lost 25% of our GDP and are heading get for mass unemployment. This is definitely not normal. What is normal is that at this time of year respira tory viruses colds and flu increase.
Please – give it a rest. My son has been unwell – because he was very unwell. A 38 year old who, since the age of 2, has recovered from any illness within a couple of days and, in some cases, – a couple of hours.
I just wonder why, after watching my sons and daughters grow up into adults over the past 30 or 40 years with barely a sniffle, 2 of them are now experiencing quite nasty effects from this ‘flu’. FIVE of their cousins from the same family have been affected by it – one is still suffering from it 4 weeks on. Daughter’s partner (aged 40) threw up yesterday following a severe bout of coughing more than a week after he was bedridden with symptoms.
I could go on to friends & acquaintances but that would too ….. Sorry – I can’t accept that this is a ‘normal’ flu outbreak that just coincidentally happens to show up as positive result for SARS-CoV-2 in a PCR test.
Here’s a hint: If you want to convince people that Lockdowns are a bad idea – don’t treat them like idiots by telling them that there’s nothing abnormal going on.
Mayo,
I’m in NO way saying there isn’t anything doing the rounds, there most definitely is. I don’t want to catch it.
However, I caught something in January of 2019, I wasn’t bedridden but I had a cough and felt fatigued for over two months. I’ve also had flu three times and it’s NOT nice (understatement!). I’m pretty sure I had Hong Kong flu when I was young (my recollection of being off school and the year of the epidemic tie in) and I remember hallucinating while fevered. And yet my Mother doesn’t remember me having it and she doesn’t remember the flu epidemic, it was just another flu season and people ‘got on with it’. I should stress that my Mother’s memory is amazing, she showed me a school photograph a month or two ago of when she was around 14 and could name all the other pupils in her class, not something I’d be able to do!
Flu and Covid do share symptoms. However given the massive range of supposed Covid symptoms I’d argue it’s not one virus causing those symptoms.
I had something when I was down in Portsmouth when i was 21 (over 30 years ago) – my throat was so bad i couldn’t, eat, I could barely drink water – for a week. I’ve never really been ill since so I’m not particularly susceptible to things.
i have friends and family all around the UK, none have been out of the ordinary ill over the last year – maybe that’s just luck, who knows.
I was reading something in here about high stress levels causing illnesses to be much worse as it effects your immune system. Fear is stress and the relentless fear porn on the media has certainly made many people extremely scared.
A good friend of mine, who’s son and girlfriend, living in his house, were unwell for a week – was unwell shortly after, not helped by relentless abuse from all his friends. But out of our group he was the most fearful of covid, More obedient of the first lockdown, slow to come out from behind the couch, and even when we all met up in November refused to shake hands – yet he is physically the toughest.
i did wonder if his mental state about covid may have made is illness worse – fear of potential death is likely bad for immune system.
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No it hasn’t. It’s been a reasonable indicator of massive testing using Ct of between 40 and 45 in the UK, where even Fauci has stated ‘Anything over 35 is basically picking up dead nucleotides’ producing a positive test result, NOT a case, NOT an infection necessarily and not necessarily symptomatic. A medical CASE is someone who is displaying symptoms and who might (but not necessarily) have to be admitted to hospital.
Given how often this has been repeated on LS Mayo, I’m surprised by your comment.
I know but it’s the title and lyrics more than the artist and as Mrs Awkward tells me whenever she hears the song “Bruno from Strictly was very young in the video wasn’t he?” which is why I remember it.
I can’t vouch for the veracity of this but my wife’s sister says her grandchildren have been told ‘don’t expect to be back at school before April’,this is in Nottingham.
the responses have diverged so much from any scientific justification all we can say is ‘god alone knows’ – the politicians dont know. Edmunds from SAGE seems to be a zero-covid fan. there are others – Woolhouse said lockdown 1 was a massive mistake – surely he must think the rest are
I think someone richer than China needs to bribe WHO to say lockdowns are catastrophic from a health point of view
A very power and vociferous minority of teachers will do everything in their power to continue to get paid for not working for as long as possible. And you’ll know that’s what they want because they will do everything in their power to sabotage online learning at the same time.
And to think – just a few years ago, I was fighting (as a Chair of Governors) against fining parents for taking junior school children out of school for family holidays etc!
Now they can lose the best part of a year’s schooling on government diktat because of a fairly ordinary infection.
Undoubtedly true. The unions will be screaming about death and destruction again. There will be yet another new strain – or several. The teachers won’t go back until they’ve had the magic jab. April seems optimistic to me.
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donated R27 million to SAHPRA (part of the SA govt), about 90% of SAHPRA’s funding (as per SAHPRA’s financial records).
Now these are waves. Not pandemic waves though as the graph shows Matt Hancock’s expenses which were £60,373.12 for the period shown. He even claims the Telegraph.
It is the economic effects of lockdowns and disruption of education which will lead to lliving standards being lower than they would otherwise have been for the forseeable future – paricularly in poor countries.
Just to sty in the UK, I think for a start that tens of thousands of people with cancer are going to die earlier than they would otherwise have done, due to missed or delayed treatments and screenings.
You might question the cancer business just as you may be willing to question covid business.
There are some who will awaken responsibility as a result of being thrown back on their resources.
Iatrogenic disease is killer no3 in Uk and USA – and perhaps in other developed markets.
How spiritually resilient are people when their ‘world falls apart’?
We are finding our/actively engaged.
Waking responsibility for consciousness and health – or succumbing to fear.
So while under mainstream belief you are right, there are other ways to see and live that a mainstream narrative denies. I do not reinforce the nocebo effect of mass hypnosis.
Start a new education process (or deepen our education process).
Of course it does – or rather increases vulnerability. But get into that sort of argument, and you are immediately defusing the core issues about Covid.
It’s a different strand of argument – on the Cost/Benefit dimension.
If Economy is crashed, food and energy shortages, Boris’s genes haven’t yet been reorganised as Solyent Pork – how do you see it panning out?
QE or UBI for the masses presumes something in the shops to buy.
I don’t feel for hysteria either, but rather to bring the fear into awareness.
People have to learn for themselves that indulging emotions does not help and actively undermines consciousness, communication, action and fulfilment of need.
So this virus has an extraordinarily super-bionic infection rate yet is spreading through the population soooo slooowwwwllllyyyy…..
We are told that a reasonable level of herd immunity could not have been achieved at the end of last spring, as the death curve suggests/screams, because mass PCR testing tell us so.
We know it is definitely covid and not the seasonal flu, that shares the same symptoms, because mass PCR testing tell us so.
Remember back in the day every winter some ‘bug/virus’ would break out and we took some medicine or spent a few days in bed then carried on? Yeh me too!
rockoman
4 years ago
““If a lockdown worked the first time, why are we doing it again? If a lockdown didn’t work the first time, why are we doing it again?”
Worse. Three lockdown later we’re back at square one same slogan same everything. Clearly lockdowns, masks, social distancing haven’t had any effect at all. One must question whether there is a virus at all.
I often think of the history of the barbarians, how they were people who did not want to live in a ‘civilised society’ and preferred to live as outsiders. They were, and continue to be, demonised as mindless beasts. It was propaganda to pull outsiders into the control of tax systems.
And so it seems to me that even if we were to go live off-grid and effectively become ‘barbarians’ the state would track us down and force us to conform to Covid.
Yes, Gladiator is a good example. And it shows what happens once the barbarians are pulled back into society: they’re enslaved and made to fight each other.
The Germanic tribe’s forest was just outside Farnham, Surrey.
Bill Hickling
4 years ago
We had Neil Ferguson on LBC this morning. Matt Frei managed to interview him for half an hour without asking a single difficult question such as: –
why did his modelling assume equal susceptibility when the virus is lethal only to the very old or already sick?
why did his modelling not assume any prior immunity?
why are we restriction the healthy population whether us so much evidence that the virus spreads more in care and hospital settings?
what is the morality behind not allowing children education or exercise to keep 90 year olds alive for a few more months?
where is his evidence for the success or otherwise of his modelling when there are so many real-world examples now of better outcomes with extra restrictions?
The fundamental one is why does he think his modelling should be applied to the real world when it’s not validated or verified? Would he like his water quality to have the same standards?
One that I’d like to see him – or indeed anyone, Labour or Conservative – answer is: tell us exactly how many lives lockdowns save. Or indeed, can they produce anyone in public & say, ‘lockdown saved this person &/or their families’ life?’ we can surely see the other side of the equation; we are seeing how many lives are being totally destroyed.
copied this from a post from yesterday, some simple adding up and dividing gives average annual deaths per 100000 over the last 20 years is 1042, higher than last years (inc pandemic deaths) of 1029 per 100000
Are these figures based on age standardised mortality rates per 100,000? I am looking at the crude mortality rates per 100,000 which appear significantly lower in comparison to 2020.
I presume age standardised is preferred as it takes into account an aging population? A factor the media are not considering?
Yes, these are age-standardised. The figures for January to December are due to be released on 18 January, so then we will have the age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 for England and Wales, for the whole of 2020.
Notice how low it was in 2019, helping to create a ‘dry tinder’ effect for 2020.
If you average out 2019 and 2020, the mortality is completely in line with previous years, despite the mortality-increasing effects of lockdown – expulsions from hospitals etc.
It’s dawned on me that whatever happens, I will never get my old life back.
First and foremost, because a country in which the horrors we have seen are actually conceivable is not the country I thought I was living in.
Secondly, because for the rest of my life I shall know that these horrors can be inflicted again, at the drop of a hat.
Thirdly, because I have utterly lost faith in human nature. I didn’t realise that cowardice, stupidity and vindictiveness were its chief constituents.
Fourthly, because pretty well every institution and human association that I consciously or unconsciously put any faith in has turned out to be stinking rotten. Worst of all, the church. Second worst, the Welsh nation. Somewhere far behind, venomous tiddlers like the National Trust. At the bottom, government. I never thought of myself as naïve where governments were concerned, but until this horror began, I vaguely considered that western democratic governments were rather benevolent than otherwise. I was not just naïve, but blind and bonkers.
Fifthly, because I am known to be a sceptic and a non-mask wearer and so a lot of local people hate me, and will continue to do so.
Sixthly, because it seems unlikely that any of the social activities I used to enjoy will ever resume. The belief that other people are walking sprayguns of Death has taken such a firm hold that it will never lapse, especially if we get annual lockdowns, as now seems likely. Even activities that can, to some extent, be pursued alone have lost their savour. For example, I spent years enthusiastically learning Welsh, because I thought it was the language of a proud and cultured nation. But now – why bother to engage with the language of a nation of cowards and dolts?
Ah well. I’m in my mid-sixties. By the grace of God I have lived most of my life in what I was deluded enough to think was a free country. I’ve done most of the things that I wanted to do, and seen most of the things that I wanted to see. By the mercy of God, I have no children or grandchildren who will have to live for many years in this horrible new prison world. By the kindness of God and through undeserved good fortune, I still have a home and a partner and a dog and a horse. I am fortunate.
And it may be that the new life will have its compensations. Hard to believe, but you always have to rebuild something on the ruins.
Perhaps, even, life is still a great adventure. In any case, I still prefer it to death. And if my being still alive annoys people, that’s all to the good.
Annie, I find myself in the unusual position of feeling I need to perk you up.
I agree with your senstiments about human nature and institutions etc, but do not think this situation is permanent.
It is economically/financially unsustainable, and people are gradually coming round.
It is only permanent if it reaches some kind of steady equilibrium, and that is not the case- Those responsible have started a cascade of effects they can neither foresee nor control.
Certainly hit the nail on the head there, it’s unsustainable people are becoming pissed of slowly but surely the tide will turn of that their is no doubt.
A very moving piece of elegiac prose, Annie.
I too have passed 60 now and feel glad to have more years behind than before me. The loss of nearly everything I thought to be stable only a year ago is a waking thought every day and the weight of it becomes more oppressive as the day wears on. My disappointment at how this has exposed the reality of human nature is perhaps the worst thing of all. The realisation of how gullible, wilfully ignorant and spiteful ordinary people actually are is deeply upsetting. We know this now and we can never un-know it so how can there ever be normal life again?
That’s the way I don’t see my life returning to Normal. I was no longer the idealist of my youth and had become pretty cynical over the years – but Lockdown has put the tin lid on it for me. From here on in – I’ll remember that there are a higher proportion of nasty people out there than I thought there was (those Covid Snoops) and one heck of a lot more gullible people than I thought there was and/or without a backbone to them. There has been an element of “What will people think?” about ensuring I kept up certain standards (eg home and personal grooming) but now I’m thinking “Why should I bother what many of them think? – as they certainly don’t care about me”.
This is also certain to make me continue to be very prickly and suspicious in the future: less trusting of normal bonhomie and waiting for that moment when I realise that the person I’m talking to is actually a zombie pretending to be a human being.
The fundamental change that has occurred in our lifetime is the snapping of our link to the chain of common sense, that chain forged by uncountable past generations and comprised of accumulated wisdom and human survival advice. I sensed that our link was being weakened from about the 80s and finally snapped around mid- 90s. Once broken it has gone forever!
Oh, how this resonates with me right now! But there IS much to see and appreciate. This is a new beginning and it WILL get better, it’s mean’t to. Everything happens for a reason.This is a very hard time at the moment, a very crunchy time as we watch all the old systems being dismantled in front of our eyes, breaking down everything we knew, that appeared comfortable but was in fact not working anymore. See this as a transition into a great awakening. I can absolutely assure you millions are going through the same right now, and we’re ALL feeling this, and its NO bad thing! Humanity is ascending into a higher state of consciousness, and what threatens our dark overlords is our light. Nothing can hold this back, not even them, in fact they are unwittingly helping this by exposing their plans to us now. We need to watch, observe, feel and move forward, and do it with love and truth, taking everyone with us, even those who disagree with us. It’s hard and it’s going to get harder but we will win.
Every so often, few generations or even centuries or so, a society has to re-invent itself – as if the old one doesn’t work any more and the new has to come in. Think of a crab which has to shed its old shell and go into hiding until it gets a new one as it grows bigger.
Someone described the American Civil War as a society being crucified so that it could be reborn. The same could be said about the English Civil Wars. Maybe that’s what’s happening now. Our society had been going badly wrong for say quarter of a century now. We have to re-invent ourselves. And that isn’t painless – the old has to be purged to make way for the new. Maybe we are going through this now. People need to be brought face-to-face with what has been going on around them: and when they wake up from their hysteria they will do so. It isn’t going to be pretty but maybe it’s the rebirth our society needs.
There will be much collateral damage along the way, but I remain confident the light will prevail.
Wow Annie – that’s so powerful and moving.. I feel the same but have a daughter and watching her suffering through this is what hits me the hardest- the realisation that it may be a long time before she can find a job / be with friends again/ see a film in the cinema / just live a life.. it’s shattered our lives and picking up the pieces doesn’t seem to be important to anyone directing this insane disaster movie..
I pray daily for the young ones, the babies and the little children.
Heck, I don’t actually like babies. But the thought if them coming into a world without faces appals me.
Last week when I checked for a relative so I could explain the difference between the “day reported” and “day of death” numbers the number of “covid” deaths for the 7th Jan 2021 was 242.
I checked the numbers for the 7th Jan today it shows 780 although I have noticed the 2 tabs on the graphs have changed from last week where they were “day reported”a nd “day of death” and are now “national” and “country” using a link I saved so makes it harder to backtrack the changes.
This showed her what I meant by the numbers being revised as the paperwork goes through the system and this proves the daily headline numbers being reported and used to keep the restrictions going are a lot of bullshit and this is where the scary 1300+ numbers disappear to eventually.
Now she’s a sceptic and starting to question.
Annoyed a few others in the family who say I’m turning her to the dark side or grooming her like a pedophile 9She’s 74) would but as it’s the first time in year’s they actually spoken to me do I care what they think?
Re Dominic Ford’s article on the potential liabilities of the NHS, I am confused by his assertion, “Potential claimants should also be aware that it is insurance companies, not the NHS itself, which pay the costs of such claims therefore the alleged ‘hero’ status should not be a deterrent”. I always understood that the NHS does not have cover and they pay out of a common pot that is funded by the various Trusts that make up the NHS.
My understanding is supported by reports such as from the BBC in 2020 which included this quote: “Dr Christine Tomkins, its chief executive, said: ‘This is money that should be going to healthcare, but instead is going to compensation claims – which is impairing all of our access to healthcare.'”
It is paid by insurance that quote is emotional blackmail. Not only that people have a tight to new compensated for medical negligence. In my previous career I worked with an insurance Loss Adjuster working solely on claims against the NHS.
This is from my employer: 8. Sharing of inappropriate information on Social Media It is essential that people receive the correct information; so we are asking that staff do not post or share inappropriate information on social media regarding anti-vaccine and conspiracy theories. As many of you will have seen, conspiracy theories about the origin, severity and prevention of Covid-19 have grown on social media. False claims are now also being circulated among anti-vaxxer groups around the Covid-19 vaccine. To help, the BBC has put together some useful ‘Reality Check’ information and advice around false vaccines claims, which can be found here. There is also a link to the Gov.uk website Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine – NHS (www.nhs.uk). The reasons why people choose not to vaccinate are complicated, and it is advised that staff take a non-confrontational approach when you see these posts on social media. As key workers, we are trusted advisers and influencers of vaccination decisions, and we must provide trusted, credible information on vaccines where possible.
Will these ‘trusted advisors and influencers’ give an accurate answer when asked about the toxicity profile of the vaccines, particularly the % of Grade 3-5 SAE’s of the Moderna effort?
Not an earthly…
It’s precisely what I am going to ask when the time comes.
This was my response to the above: “I was disappointed to read the exhortation about social media posts.
I find the language, conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers, unnecessarily provocative and disingenuous.
Would you consider the likes of Professors Henighan, Gupta and Lee, Dr Claire Craig Dr Malcolm Kendrick and Dr Sam Bailey conspiracy theorists? The latter two are GPs in the U.K. and New Zealand respectively. The others are clinical pathologists and epidemiologists.
The whole lockdown scenario has, in my opinion, been correctly questioned. This has never been done in past pandemics (1968/69 Hong Kong flu for example) so why now? The justification was based on a questionable computer model and came in after the infection rate was starting to drop off.
There are valid concerns about the vaccine and its efficacy.
Malcolm Kendrick is a GP and hospital doctor who has raised concerns about the vaccine, particularly the lack of testing and the speed it was produced.
The end date for the all trial data is 18 months or more away, leading people to think that the current vaccination programme forms part of the trial itself. This concern is made worse because the age group currently being vaccinated were not represented in the original trials. Another concern is that the vaccination requires informed consent, which involves identifying all of the risks, some of which have not been quantified with “unknown” being the written response from the manufacturers. The benefits also have to be expressed, and it is known that the vaccine does not induce immunity but mitigates against severity of symptoms (in this respect it is akin to the flu vaccine). Another risk that has not been assessed in the older age group is the possibility of an overreaction of their immune system (cytokine storm or sepsis).
There are concerns about the ingredients in the vaccine, some are cultural (certain cultures request prescribed medication that doesn’t contain gelatine for example) and some are unfounded.
I would argue that anti vaxxer is an emotional term. Parents, in particular, have concerns about vaccines in their children which can be hopefully alleviated.
However, when multiple clinicians raise questions about a vaccine then they should be listened to. To do so is not anti vaccination but common sense.
The vaccine programme has now gone completely away from the manufacturers advice, with mix and match between different vaccines, single doses instead of double doses, second doses given after an extended period.
People think they are immune immediately after a single dose when there is a question over whether recipients are able to spread the virus or not.
Finally, the world health organisation has changed the definition of herd immunity from being achieved through previous infection plus vaccination to being achieved through vaccination only.
When organisations move the goal posts like this then people do begin to question the reason why, which leads to “conspiracy theories” ( fio conspiracy theory was a term created by the CIA in the 1960’s in response to Americans questioning the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963).
Just to clarify,
I have had my vaccinations, and was a recipient of a trial vaccination in the early 1960’s (polio); however the late 1950’s/early 1960’s were also renowned for one of the biggest medical blunders when a drug was licensed based entirely on the test data from the manufacturers, the drug being thalidomide.”
I’d heartily recommend the (American) Unsafe Space guys, Keri Smith and Carter Laren, particularly their Covfefe Break stream. Great videos, still on yt, just. Worth a watch. Telling it how it is. Most stuff you will know and some you won’t but cheery and outspoken, some Covid but also the broader SJW stuff and may lift the mood perhaps. https://youtu.be/pbvdp5PMBao
“Hot tub horror as maniac goes on rampage” – main headline in today’s Derby Telegraph.
Is this a slight return to normality in the world of trashy newspapers? Probably not, but it makes a change from “Covid horror engulfs city hospital”. I made that one up, but it’s not untypical.
Was it Lenin who spoke of useful idiots of the capitalists selling the rope he was going to hung them with?
Perhaps the Western oligarchs should call the following useful idiots, Starmer, Labour party, Guardanistas, independent SAGE?
Who would profit most of endless lockdowns?
It is beyond belief than any liberal, progressive, leftist can support the biggest assault on working class/middle class ever
Useful Idiots described those whose actions helped the Bolsheviks though they would be cast aside as soon as was convenient.
SAGE proper clearly fit this.
This might seem a bit random, but given I’ve nobody else to talk to I’ll just state my fundamental principles. We all look closely at evidence and death counts etc, and I firmly believe all logic and reason is on our side.
However, to me, if Covid was ten or twenty or fifty times more deadly than it is, if the streets were strewn with corpses, lockdown would still be an act of abominable evil. It is better to die than to live like this.
You are right about looking too closely at the statistics and this has been a a problem from day one. You have to look – or at least try – to see it from a distance to understand how ludicrous the vast majority of these ‘measures’ are to keep us safe really are. However, if your second point was true there would be no real need for instrcuctions and diktats as folk would naturally take steps to keep themselves as safe as possible anyway. The main problem is that governments are still sucessfully selling that type of worst case scenario even though it is nothing like it and never has been. The fact that people cannot take on board that Covid 19 isn’t dangerous for the very large percentage of society is one of the biggest mysteries about the who s@*t show.
As has been said so many times before, if such a situation were to arise, people would adjust their own behaviour accordingly without any instruction at all.
During Londons great plague of 1665 it was peoples own neighbours who locked plaguies inside their houses.
Nailed the doors and windows tight from the outside, they needed little instruction.
Exactly. I’d also add that if the streets were strewn with corpses, lockdown would be entirely unnecessary since everyone would stay indoors of their own volition.
… but while the tired waves, vainly breaking, seem HERE no painful inch to gain, far out, through creeks and inlets making, comes silent, flooding in, the Main!
It’s certainly better to accept a (minimal) risk of covvideath than to live like this.
If it were pneumonic plague I’d doubtless rearrange my priorities.
rockoman
4 years ago
Cristi.Neagu (downpage) is advocating for mask-wearing, presumably because he or she thinks that a respiratory pandemic is going around.
Let’s make it clear to him/her that in the absence of scientific evidence – and in science that means randomized, controlled trials- for the benefits of mask-wearing, that the onus is on him/her to justify to us why we should wear one.
You mean to say those creepy crow-like herb poltice masks of mediaeval day really served no purpose? It is as though centuries of common knowledge has been proved right.
These scientist fellows are mighty. Reliable only to cause dangerous confusion at the moments when crystal clear clarity is required. I wonder what motivates scientists to cause, or silently concur with, such dangerous practices. I presume arrgoance of looking from high across the peaceful, loving people. Perhaps an inner knowing they are a fraud keeps others silent.
It is a laughable absurdity of the human condition that glorified alchemists can seperate off up the arsehole of logic with such myopic obsession they think of themselves as rightful leaders of billions. If fact these people are nothing more than an opinion.
I challenged Cristi, pointing that s/he would have to be explicit about their reasoning and evidence to persuade people. S/he responded by claiming they were not trying to persuade anyone, and asserted they had been as explicit as it was possible to be.
rockoman
4 years ago
This is a question I like to pose now and then:
When was the last time, before 2020, that social distancing and mask-wearing was imposed on a population?
Answer:
By the authorities in Guantanamo Bay on their captives, when the prison camp opened following 2001.
We have heard that diabetics have greater risk for C-19.But not all. Those with treatment metformin seems paradoxically have a very low risk of mortality from C-19,amost protective. There are even more studies showing this. Now great interest to see if the drug/part of the drug could be useful for C-19 treatment
Swedenborg, have you seen any mention of methotrexate as a potential treatment for acutely ill patients? One of my daughter’s medical team mentioned back in March/ April that they thought methotrexate might stop the immune system going into overdrive but I have seen no mention of it since.
Does anyone else feel the Salisbury cathedral mass vaccination of the elderly to dramatic organ music sounds like a satanic Hammer horror film? Just me then ..
I went to a funeral back in November. Social distancing, masks (not me, only one not wearing one, boosted my self respect no end!) no singing. Vicar was dressed all in black with his black face mask right up to his eyeballs. He looked like the vicar from hell!
Satanic Hammer horror 2…the sequel!
I know what you mean. It’s people talking, lecturing, issuing diktats, whatever – still wearing these muzzles that I find HUGELY offensive.
I’m going to start ignoring anyone who speaks to me through a muzzle. I can’t tell them to remove it, but I don’t have to hear what they’re saying. My tinnitus will suddenly get worse….
Yes – a bit like the history of religion – one cult takes over the forms of others – even to the extent of undermining its own belief system. It’s a fascinating study.
An extension is the way in which quite sophisticated philosophical models degrade into primitive dogma and ritual. Daoism is a classic example, as well as the obvious example of the developing power structures of early Christianity post-Constantine.
Primitive emotion and ‘authority’ always wins out. The Catholic Church has survived well over a millennium on a takeover based on it.
No wonder the adoption of the authority of lockdown and masking has been adopted so widely and enthusiastically by the churches – the emotional roots are their bread and butter.
At first I thought it was a wind up or a foil hat wearer, but the longer you watch it the more bizarre it looks. Is it just nylon fibres & static? Is there a simple explanation? Anyone.
I thought cotton buds were made with…cotton. One of the buds in the (poor quality) video is a regular cotton bud (the blue one) – the other is difficult to see whether it is a nasopharyngeal one or not (it would have to be much longer than the blue one if it is a nasopharyngeal bud). Individual fibres showing electrostatic charge sounds quite reasonable to me.
Indeed we have no idea what it was they were filming, my first thought was static but then was curious what it is they are getting people to prod their brain with.
I saw a report a self administered test caused Cerebrospinal fluid to drip from someone’s nostril, again don’t know if that was true either.
I’ve maintained from the very beginning that the PCR tests are completely useless and as for the things they stick up your nose? A pipe cleaner shoved up your backside would be just as accurate.
Out and about this morning to find that a person of little obvious talent has taken over the Graham Norton Saturday morning Radio 2 slot.
Instead of asking her guests ‘so where in the world would you like to visit?
She has to precede it with
‘when you are allowed, when this is all over, when there are no more cases . . .’
I spent the rest of the morning listening to my Best Of The Damned CD, loudly
I doubt if she knows, just following instructions to mention the Covid as often as possible in that ‘am I really Really your best friend ever ?’ voice.
Not the Saturday morning show, I know, but if I ever need to get up a bit earlier through the week, I set the radio alarm for Zoe Ball’s show. She’s so annoying and vapid (depsite her breathless ‘enthusiasm’) it gets me up straight away as I just HAVE to turn her off! That million plus a year well spent by the BBC!
The Damned. Great choice and a great band that I have seen many times.
rockoman
4 years ago
We are focused on death rates here, but it will be interesting to watc bith rates now, as all childre now born were conceived after the beginning of ‘the madness’
Concur. even tougher when you look at dating sites/apps, and see probably about 1/3 of profiles who have only half a face displayed, the other half being ‘proudly’ masked up! Another third use their profile text not to display any attractive qualities about themselves, but to point out that they voted Remain well over 4 1/2 years ago….it really is a jungle out there!
Thankfully, I haven’t seen this as I gave up on dating sites a long time ago. Trying to form a conversation against one word replies is about as pointless as these lockdowns.
The impact of a lower birth rate would be particularly bad for Scotland.
For years now the population growth has been relatively flat. This is not good from a GDP perspective, simplistically in order to increase GDP you increase population and/or productivity.
Scotland has relied heavily on immigration/foreign workers to pump up the numbers. I’m fairly sure this is a major consideration in wanting to stay part of the EU with the freedom of movement that comes with it.
Just another notch on the bedpost of bad outcomes arising from how we’ve dealt with this virus.
They are likely to be plunging – people don’t like to make babies in times of crisis, and there has even been strange advice going around to avoid sexual intercourse and to masturbate instead because of the dread contagion.
Just a quick thank you to BeBopRockSteady, Will. steve_w, wilko and julian for their responses to my query yesterday regarding Sweden and it suffering no worse than lockdown countries.
There’s a fella I deliver Chinese food to, very regularly before the coronabollox – in his 40’s, living alone with a son that comes to stay – he was usually the last delivery of the night as, after work, and being very sociable, he’d be seeing his many acquaintances for banter and camaraderie before heading home. He always seemed happy, full of banter and healthy looking, carrying no extra weight, naturally fit.
I hadn’t seen him for a few months until i delivered to him a few weeks ago. He was miserable, said he had long covid, said he had no energy……
Seems to me – sat alone in his house every evening drinking, without the usual crack with friends, what he is actually suffering from is depression – many people require social contact to survive.
3. Downplaying vaccine risks: The true risk of vaccine injury will continue to be obscured by the habit among public health officials of routinely dismissing reported injuries as unrelated to vaccination. The practices of systematically overestimating vaccine safety, underestimating vaccine deaths, and exaggerating risks of COVID-19 effectively deprive the public of their right to informed consent. And so what do we really know about the true risk of COVID-19 vaccines? Public health officials and industry spokespeople like to say that the risks of serious injury from vaccination are “one in one million.. However, in the first week of distribution, Americans took 200,000 COVID vaccines and reported 5,000 “serious” (meaning missed workdays or medical intervention required) injuries. This is an injury rate of 1 in every 40 jabs. This means that the 150 shots necessary to avert one mild case of COVID will cause serious injury to at least three people. If the clinical trials are good predictors, that rate is likely to increase dramatically after the second shot (the clinical trials suggested that almost all the benefits of COVID vaccination and vast majority of injuries were associated with the second dose). We don’t know the true risk of death from the vaccine since regulators have rendered virtually every death invisible by attributing them all to coincidence. The 1-in-40 risk of “serious injury” from Pfizer’s COVID vaccine is consistent with what we know about other vaccines. For many years, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has maintained a post-licensing surveillance system known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Even government insiders like Surgeon General Dr. David Kessler acknowledged that VAERS is an abysmal failure. Nevertheless, it is only by clinging to this “designed to fail” system that regulators and industry have maintained their pretense that current vaccine risk profiles are acceptable. A 2010 study funded by HHS concluded that VAERS captured “fewer than 1% of injuries.” In other words, the actual injury rates from mandated vaccines are more than 100x what HHS has been telling the public! The 2010 HHS study found that the true risk for serious adverse events was 26/1,000, or one in 37. Similarly, Merck’s clinical trials for Gardasil found that an astonishing half of all vaccine recipients suffered from adverse events, which Merck euphemistically called “new medical conditions,” and that 2.3% of vaccine recipients (1 in 43) suffered from autoimmune disease within six months of vaccination. Similarly, a recent Italian study found that 46% of vaccine recipients (462 adverse events per 1,000 doses) suffered adverse events, with 11% of these rated “serious,” meaning 38 serious adverse events per 1,000 vaccinated individuals. These include grave gastrointestinal and “serious neurological disorders.” This amounts to a “serious” injury rate of 1/26. Holocaust survivor Vera Sharav of the Alliance for Human Research Protection has observed that, “Everyone who gets any of these vaccines is participating in a vast medical experiment.” Health officials generally concur that the granting of “emergency use authorization” to the rollout of experimental vaccine technologies with only a few weeks of safety testing, two years before the scheduled completion of Phase 2 testing, is a great human experiment, involving millions of subjects. But researchers are unlikely to see all of the safety signals if a badly designed surveillance system allows local health officials and company employees the discretion to dismiss any serious injury as unrelated.
I’m looking forward to the moment when the still half asleep members of the general public (most of them) finally realise we’re never going to back to normal and that masks, social distancing and lockdowns/tiers are permanent, along with the fact any still on furlough are actually unemployed. They are still living in a dream world and genuinely think once the vaccine has been deployed that’s it.
Re Woke today
I live in Bury St Edmunds and know the Black Boy Pub though I have never been a customer (looks a bit rough, though I hear it is perfectly nice).
I have never paid much attention to the pub sign, but I always assumed Black Boy referred to a chimney sweep!
I used to drink/socialize/play pool in there along with all my mates years ago, this was our haunt. I used to live in nearby Thurston so went into Bury a lot, takes me back!
I’m really torn by the issue of legal action against the NHS. I can see why people could and should have a way to seek redress for harm resulting in sub-standard care.
However if the NHS is made liable then it can only bring an already stretched NHS to it’s knees.
It’s not perfect but the NHS offers a service that many around the world can only dream of. From my personal experience it has always been there when I or people close to me have needed it. I don’t idolise it but neither do I find cause to criticise it unecessarily. I’m sure there will be others who have a different view based on their own experiences.
I don’t know what the best solution would be but I would start by suggesting the government along with the IMF/WHO take on the burden of making right what their actions have caused.
I’ve had better care in Russia than from the NHS. Only my own experience – but I’ve lost an eye and have suffering permanent neck pain for the last 30 years due to failed diagnoses by the NHS. No, I didn’t sue them, but I should have done (or my parents should have done, in the former case). How else can their failings be brought home to them?
I’m afraid the overwhelming majority of the population in this country have set about a path to impoverish themselves. To ensure this never happens again we need to bring such injusticies to light. The NHS could have quelled this hysteria at any point.
My son nearly died before Christmas because of the NHS. They started pulling their finger out when when we started taking names and job titles for evidentiary purposes. They are now giving us written copies of everything.
I’m afraid I used to think the NHS was “great” until I tried to get a couple of things sorted out about 3 and 4 years ago now – my experience, and my thinking now, is utterly incompetent management and lack of any joined-up thinking at many levels. Shameful.
However if the NHS is made liable then it can only bring an already stretched NHS to it’s knees.
The NHS is only ‘stretched’ because of successive governments’ policies – it need not be. Quoting from a rather prescient pre-election/pre-C19 Graun in 2019:
The health service in England has cut so many beds in recent years that it has just 127,225 left to cope with the rising demand for care, which will intensify as winter starts to bite.
In total, 17,230 beds have been cut from the 144,455 that existed in April-June 2010, the period when the coalition Conservative/Liberal Democrat government took office and imposed a nine-year funding squeeze on the NHS, even though critics cautioned against it because of growing pressures on the service.
The 127,225 figure is the smallest number of beds available in acute hospitals, maternity centres and units specialising in the care of patients with mental health problems and learning disabilities since records began in 1987/88.
There are several articles online about the deliberate trimming of the NHS, leaving it deliberately vulnerable to any crisis The King’s Fund put it clearly in March 2020:
The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly. The UK has fewer acute beds relative to its population than many comparable health systems.
This manufactured C19 care ‘crisis’ is due to agenda driven spending policies, not lack of UK resources. And now a deliberate year on year underspending on the NHS has backfired in spectacular fashion, the government propaganda machine shunts the blame onto those that might need care as opposed to those politicians (on all sides of the House) who have chosen to over and over vote to deprive them of it.
It’s not perfect but the NHS offers a service that many around the world can only dream
That’s the point, its not offering any service, its destroying peoples lives, in fact it should be a class action on everyone’s behalf.
Fact is the NHS should be there to serve us not the other way round, if capacity can’t meet demand, increase capacity don’t let anyone tell you the NHS is under funded! Its problem is its maladministered & corrupt..
The whole narrative is stop the NHS being overwhelmed. So what have they done, decreased capacity with halving number of beds due to social distancing & sent half their staff home because of a dodgy “test” & postponed many treatments & procedures.
If there’s no one paying tax, cos they’re all unemployed there can be no NHS.
I was never a fan of the NHS, my own experience of it twice in my lifetime (very minor ailments) showed me how bureaucratic & frankly incompetent it is.
At present we don’t have health care available to us for many health complaints, its become a covid service. The NHS is mangement heavy, overly politicised & privatisation pretty much complete, about the only thing in public ownership is the staffing bill.
If things carry on as is, then frankly its just as well if it collapses & dies. Not living to saves lives isn’t sustainable.
It is interesting that your very reasonably balanced comment has attracted so many down-votes. Suggests a degree of unfocused anti-NHS political fanaticism that equals Covid fanaticism on the other side.
It doesn’t bode well for a claim to rationality, which is essential to the sceptical case.
no – you should put all your eggs in one basket. will look much more spectacular next time you take a dive into the stock. maybe add a jar of jam and a large tub of yoghurt
“Covid vaccine: 72% of black people unlikely to have jab, UK survey finds
Sage voices concern at BAME uptake and says more must be done to increase trust in vaccine”
Guardian reports. No link because not giving them traffic.
When a sage evil says more must be done – it is highly arrogant and extreme dangerous in my experience.
A vaccine, a nonvaccine, unlicensed, untrialed – 2 more years of trials to go, must be put into more black people – notice fast conflation to BAME thereafter – rag-work.
Took my Dad to have his jab just before Christmas (his decision, I respect it entirely). It was at a very large GP practice in a fairly multiracial area, I saw maybe 200 people go in and out, none of them were non-white, not one.
Have you seen the videos going round of vaccinated guinea pigs who 24 hrs after being jabbed they shake uncontrollably (don’t know the medical term)! Just one case is one to many it certainly gives you something to think about before getting vaccinated.
That’s my biggest fear. If I get the virus I will either recover or die. The thought of taking a vaccine I don’t need and having an adverse affect that is worse than dieing fills me with dread.
Yes, there are things worse than death. Living the rest of your life with a movement disorder caused by a vaccine-induced brain injury would be one of them. But for those who think the risk is worth it, go right ahead.
Vaccines may contain foetal cell-line material, animal tissue, and other stray substances. Perhaps they are better read than the majority? Perhaps they do not believe in the benevolence of the state? (Neither do I).
In the US, there is a history of medical experimentation on black people (The Tuskegee Experiment for example) so they are, rightly, wary of medical authority and of being used as guinea pigs. The “vaccine” is being touted as a tool for racial justice as many are arguing that people of colour ought to be prioritized, while many of said people are suspicious and not comfortable with being prioritized for that reason.
captainbeefheart
4 years ago
Sent mother a video of her grand daughter. She replied “Hopefully when we have our injections we can enjoy her”
Didn’t have the heart to say:
* it doesn’t actually make you immune according to the manufacturer
* she’ll be waiting about 2 years to vaccinate everyone at this rate – then “a new strain” will evolve
* masks, social distancing and lockdowns are “a thing” now – they’re not going anywhere
Only if the government allow it, which is looking increasingly unlikely in the near future. If they go back to tiers, only those in Tier 1 (if I remember rightly) are allowed to meet family indoors.
If they have symptoms then a PCR test will confirm a diagnosis, which is how it should be. Diagnosing on the basis of a PCR test is the wrong way round, particularly if a) the number of cycles is not reported and b) the number of cycles is more than about 32.
Signs and symptoms trump stand alone testing every time.
Thank you for the reminder that until March of 2020 a person who is deemed ill is supposed to have symptoms. Seems pretty basic, but a majority of doctors and scientists appear to have unlearned most of what they knew of viruses and how they behave.
What is it with such an emotional argument? Their bed ridden symptoms is confirmation that they very likely have covid-19.
A regular Joe getting tested for work and being asked to isolate with no symptoms is another matter. Especially on the scale we are talking today.
A false positive is not just referring to picking up the wrong signal. That is inherent to the test and a result of sensitivity. Another kind of false positive can, and certainly has been, seen through contamination. The final false positive is operational and is due to calling people infectious when running the tests to high CTs. How often does that happen? My emails to myocal Public Health body have been ignored on that simple question. Unless you know better?
Both can be true. Some people can be very ill with symptoms and have a true positive test. Some can be “asymptomatic” and have a false positive test, especially if you include people who have cleared the infection but still have viral fragments remaining.
Mayo, is it your intention to take the vaccine and recommend friends and family to take the vaccine? And your reasoning? I am genuinely interested in your opinion.
I have a friend who isn’t a sceptic – but is open to new perspectives.
Can you suggest a simple, informative site, with lots of information and figures, that wouldn’t daunt her but just might give her food for thought. A sort of introduction to scepticism – or ‘scepticism for dummies’. (Not that she’s a dummy!)
I’ve had a good response to Sucharit Bhakdi’s interviews with friends who have sensed somethings not right with the msm govt narrative. Not many facts and figures but just very calm explanations. He gives such reassurance as well as reliable information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P22eUnv6AM
I’m just reading his (and his wife’s) book “Corona – False Alarm?” It was originally published in June in German and was published in English in October .It is excellent, with all the facts and figures referenced. I got it here which was the cheapest I found – https://agreatread.co.uk/corona-false-alarm-facts-and-figures-9781645020578/
I suggest watching this video featuring Dr Simone Gold of America’s Frontline Doctors – it’s almost an hour long but she puts into words what most of us feel but in a fact and evidence-based scenario in front of an audience. She is articulate, comprehensive, funny, engaging and thoroughly passionate about pushing back on the lies and misinformation that we are having to push back against. She is not in any way conspiracy focused, she deals with evidence. It’s – sorry about pun – pure gold! https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=xFntHpk1uok&fbclid=IwAR3wbwGW2Bhph00kKOSkj2_mcFqjm8MBOOGb6vDflb2aCC7ulHYqcJBapHg
I have found the Reiner Fuellmich video pretty useful actually with people are starting to question things or are open to learning more. I think its abut 25 mins and maybe titled Planet Lockdown.
The reason I think this works well, is I preface it with a little explanation as to his excellent credentials (taking on and winning against VW, Deutche Bank etc…).
I even say, look don’t just take my word for it, but this guy is deadly serious and has a track record to match and you’ll be hearing more about it in the months ahead.
I think if you can establish in someone’s mind, that there is a good chance of fraudulence in 2 critical areas (PCR testing and thereby asymptomatic transmission) then there is a reasonable chance they will be willing to start to unpick at other threads, possibly even on their own.
Another approach is showing them the quotes from the Fergsuon interview in The Times (where he mentions getting away with it). Again, I find showing the true dastardly colours of these people is quite an eye-opener.
Thanks, Simon. Yes, indeed – Dr F is well worth watching and listening to. Did you see his interview with Dr Mike Yeadon? It was excellent – three hours well spent!
Sorry Banjones, amazingly I haven’t seen that! (can’t believe I have missed it). Would you mind posting the link if that’s not too much trouble.
With one person, I think I actually said. Look it doesn’t matter what I think or you think, this is happening and this guy (Fuellmich) doesn’t F around.
Although I’ve always been fairly sceptical, Dr Mike Yeadon was the one who really opened my eyes to what is going on. He explains things very well and his sincerity really comes through. This video is excellent and reasonably short – a great introduction to it all:
When I lost my job as a Thrug Calibrator with a well known aircraft maintenance company I was determined not to rest on my laurels and remain positive
I have formed a company providing a hot buffet service to partisans operating in the forests outside the village
The partisans are formed in groups similar to those that existed before sport became illegal
Obviously security and secrecy are paramount, therefore tools of mass surveillance such as motor vehicles and mobile phones are banned
I bought two transport mules on Gumtree. I stable the mules and the prepare the food at my friend George’s house. George topped himself when the second lockdown was announced
Georges pension is still being paid and also his direct debits for gas, electricity and poll tax. Overheads are minimal
Orders and special dietary needs are left at a dead letter drop in the village by 11am each day
The mules and I set off after dark each day
(Memo to me: Time to cut George down as his body fluids are dripping onto the food preparation surfaces)
My first call is to the Cricketista Camp. They are based in a cave under the television transmission mast. They chose the location on the basis that the regime is unlikely to lob cruise missiles on them and risk disrupting Strictly
There are seamstresses currently working in the cave converting their summer whites into winter battle dress. In addition they are converting their bats into skis and will not commence operations until the snows come
Tea and cucumber sandwiches all round
Onward to the Rugby Free Army camp deep in the forest. These guys are the real deal
Their leader has gone completely mad. He has put on loads of weight, shaved his head and painted himself purple.
Met his sister in the village a few days ago, she said he had been watching Apocalypse Now on a loop for days before he disappeared saying he was going ‘up river’
Whilst tucking into their sausages one of he Youth Team became hysterical. The youth player demanded that there should be a vegan option and threatened to have something delivered through his just eat app
Anyway the hysteric (think his name is Davies) was disarmed and carted off to the stockade
An hour long trek to the camp of the Golf Club Red Army Faction
Useless the lot off them. They never get anything done, but bang on endlessly about the new drivers they have bought
They demand silver service on a MacDonald’s budget
How am I supposed to transport 23 individual prawn salad starters for miles through the forest on two mules? Some people!
Suspect the golfers will be the first to be captured. A few have that informer look about them
On the way back to the village heard a muffled bang in the distance. It was either a car backfiring in the village or the sound of Davies being dispatched
Presumably you saw “OKUK” trolling me yesterday as being “77th” just because he was too stupid to be able to open a link I posted to Tobys appearance on Talk Radio, but he/she/it doesn’t have the balls (or whatever) to apologise?
“Observe that the genome of the Covid virus is degenerating. This is the natural course of viruses. Due to random mutations it is becoming: 1) more infectious 2) less lethal. Eventually we will have another common cold virus.”
A new look at an old virus: patterns of mutation accumulation in the human H1N1 influenza virus since 1918
“While there have been numerous adaptations within the H1N1 genome, most of the genetic changes we document here appear to be non-adaptive, and much of the change appears to be degenerative. We suggest H1N1 has been undergoing natural genetic attenuation, and that significant attenuation may even occur during a single pandemic. This process may play a role in natural pandemic cessation and has apparently contributed to the exponential decline in mortality rates over time, as seen in all major human influenza strains. These findings may be relevant to the development of strategies for managing influenza pandemics and strain evolution.”
Few data exist concerning the role of common human coronaviruses (HCoVs) in patients hospitalized for acute respiratory infection (ARI) and the severity of these infections compared with influenza.
Methods
Prospective data on the viral etiology of ARI hospitalizations during the peaks of 8 influenza seasons (from 2011–2012 to 2018–2019) in Quebec, Canada, were used to compare patients with HCoV and those with influenza infections; generalized estimation equations models were used for multivariate analyses.
Results
We identified 340 HCoV infections, which affected 11.6% of children (n = 136) and 5.2% of adults (n = 204) hospitalized with ARI. The majority of children (75%) with HCoV infections were also coinfected with other respiratory viruses, compared with 24% of the adults (P < .001). No deaths were recorded in children; 5.8% of adults with HCoV monoinfection died, compared with 4.2% of those with influenza monoinfection (P = .23). The risk of pneumonia was nonsignificantly lower in children with HCoV than in those with influenza, but these risks were similarly high in adults. Markers of severity (length of stay, intensive care unit admissions, and case-fatality ratio) were comparable between these infections in multivariate analyses, in both children and adults.
Conclusions
In children and adults hospitalized with ARI, HCoV infections were less frequent than influenza infections, but were as severe as influenza monoinfections.
I’m not a medic, but yes, of course they are. just as a virus that one population is well adapted to can be deadly to a population that has never been exposed to it before
I’d think so too, but you just don’t ever hear anyone saying he/she died of a cold, of course people don’t generally die of flu either but complications from it i.e. pneumonia.
Same as any virus eh, From day one of covid my view was as a “novel” virus (of course there are many known corona viruses) It would hit the population, like a bad flu season, at first exposure to it, then evolve into a more contagious form but less dangerous & become seasonal, just like a cold, so far i’ve not been wrong.
When it first hit even before the MSM got hysterical, i told my wife fear & worry of the virus is likely to be more dangerous than the virus itself!
I can’t help thinking that everything they describe regarding mutations and spread, new vaccines required to deal with the changes etc are exactly what’s been happening every year with the flu.
It’s almost as if they took the flu and everything else that causes respiratory illnesses and lumped them into one.
When Madge was revving himself up with the scaremongering on 20 December, Bloomberg quoted him as saying ”..there is “no evidence” that the new strain — VUI-202012/01 — is milder than the original virus.”
However, ”Maria Van Kerkhove, Covid-19 technical lead at the World Health Organization, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr program: “We understand that the virus does not cause more severe disease.”
Do you think this was the epidemiologist you’d read about? I haven’t yet looked further.
Been explaining this to my brother today. He was supporting the current lockdown due to the new variants. But a virus will not typically evolve to become ever more lethal. It’ll naturally want more hosts and preferably not kill them.
Will
4 years ago
Very good article in the DT about hospital numbers. Sorry can’t post the link for some reason.
To an extent that, even if not quite deliberate, could certainly have been avoided if NHS managers had sensed that crisis would be politically unwelcome.
The circus is evolving to perpetuate itself. It’s as if lockdown itself is a kind of memetic lifeform.
We have to stop allowing the misuse of the word ‘test’.
Proudtobeapeasant
4 years ago
I knew Boris was wrong last night when he really attempted to hammer home the “you can catch it from things you touch” point. People are so uninformed and it’s their own fault a lot of the time.
Yes – when I tell people I meet (not so many these days) that I NEVER watch TV news and rarely read any MSM ”reports” they are usually amazed, as if I must be narrow-minded and missing something important. It’s as if I’m the one who is ill-informed.
They don’t seem to get the idea of reading peer-reviewed scientific reports or studying even ONS and WHO statistics, or listening to statisticians explaining those figures.
CDC say transmission is possible but unlikely from surfaces. Why is Johnson bringing this up? Is it because he wants another reinforcement behaviour imposed on those who won’t or can’t wear masks?
No sign of a cold
No cough or a sore throat
No headache and a normal temperature
Could enjoy the taste of food or the scent of a flower
Felt Full of energy
You were what we used to call “fit and well”
It is a truly fucked up world where anyone who feels like this, is now told they should consider themselves to be a potention spreader of disease and encouraged, (even mandated) to have to take a test to prove it.
I think you are supposed to consider yourself a biohazard, a bag of toxic waste, even if you feel as fit as a fiddle, aren’t you? and this is how you’re supposed to regard each of your fellow human beings, even your nearest and dearest. and anyone who does not is obviously ‘crazy’ and ‘selfish’
“Everybody, particularly people in Tier 4 areas, needs to behave as if they might well have the virus”.
As far as I am concerned there is no misunderstanding of his words. He was basically emplying that every person in the UK should be considering that they, personally, were a potential carrier and could infect everyone else. Not the reverse as you suggest.
I fancy we need a hearty national debate about the meaning of ‘exist’. It is such a definite word, a hangover from last century if you will. Perhaps we need a more fluid acceptance of the meaning rustled up.
It’s so surreal waking up every day to “new discoveries” that I’m sure we’ve discussed months ago.
Proudtobeapeasant
4 years ago
Is anyone else here, like me, suspicious of the whole Avian Flu thing? I haven’t read all the government information on it but am now suspicious of anything and everything that the government tells me. I have a theory that because lots of people bought chickens in the first lockdown, or at least when they could manage to get hold of any, that the government has decided it wants more control over food production and therefore doesn’t want the general public to have their own chickens. As I say, it’s just my theory….
They’ve been doing the chicken lockdown thing every year, the second any wild bird is found with it, they’ve been doing it for years now. Migratory birds bring it in.
Note the headline is a complete lie. He says “Social distancing and restrictions in some form are likely for the rest of 2021 at least, until enough of the population can be vaccinated to grant general or herd immunity, Dr Henry said.”
Not justifying what he said but why are the media making up a headline like that?
DanClarke
4 years ago
Could it be, because the instigators of all of this, bang on about population control, that people are reluctant to take their vax?
My brother told me that Fauci was filmed taking the vaccine but that in another video, filmed slightly later, he was asked by some news station how he felt and, get this, he rubbed… the opposite arm and said it was a bit sore!! I tried to find this video evidence but couldn’t but my brother is extremely honest. I will try and see if he can send me links. It’s a total joke.
If Fauci takes 6,000 IU/day of vitamin D3, he’s probably fine with that. Dr David Grimes’s survey suggested that a high level of vitamin D may make you almost immune to COVID.
I’m convinced that VIPs are getting a placebo. If too many high profile people end up in the ICU, with anaphylaxis, or a movement disorder caused by a brain injury, the whole vaccine agenda would implode.
Lawrence Fox, is in the DM, showing off his exemption badge. Don’t know if that’s good or bad, as he receives the usual abuse from the intolerant covid fanatics, or maybe they’re just their paid bots following the instructions.
Just been reading that. Can’t say I was glad to see it as headline news as this will attract unnecessary attention. Hardly surprising though. I think the govt have been on the back-foot and the DM are helpfully setting the agenda for them.
And the first story I saw this morning was the snow scare stories but the first comment was talking about ‘applied psychology’ i.e. this was a subtle DM suggestion to say ‘stay indoors’. Very good people are getting it and can see through the govt / media lies.
Actually, just thinking about, and realising that you actually NEED to have Covid to get treatment for other serious conditions, now that we worship at the covid alter.
Stop it, not even in jest should we indulge that narrative. Its entirely political, if the liberal left can normalise this fabrication they can make any artificial construct become reality.
The purpose of identity politics is to erode cultural values to advance corporate socialism & globalism. Its as fraudulent as lockdowns & PCR pandemic.
Regarding the photo at the top of today’s post I love how the image of the care worker on the banner is intentionally composed, lit, and edited to terrify rather than reassure.
Basics
4 years ago
Patrick Henningsen tweets:
The key wor[d] here is “possible”, and what I have learned about ‘intelligence’ over the last 20 years has led me to first assume it’s garbage, and I’ve been right nearly every time. The Wuhan conspiracy is being used to legitimize the ‘deadly pandemic’ narrative, which is a lie…
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Mike Pompeo reveals intelligence implicating Wuhan lab as the possible origin point of Covid-19 https://trib.al/0fe6Dxg
He’s partially right but it does look like a virus was created and “accidently” released from a Wuhan lab. Now whether this leads to a condition called Covid-19 is by the by. What appears to be the case is that the CCP did enough information warfare to scare politicians in the West and this had the knock-on effect of them adopting CCP policies to “beat the virus” rather than targeted interventions. The WHO were bent to the CCP will too.
The CCP already had its fingers in various pies influencing individuals. Academia is full of socialists who don’t not like the CCP system with social credit. It aligns to their feelings of superiority. We have business leaders and media wined and dined by CCP members. We have high level individuals in this country as active members, sworn to uphold their principles.
Then we have ex-members of the Communist party of the UK being advisors
It’s a massive nudge. The virus does not need to be potent. It just needs to appear to be.
So yes there is still large responsibility of our leaders but this is professional top level con to benefit the CCP.
“What appears to be the case is that the CCP did enough information warfare to scare politicians in the West and this had the knock-on effect of them adopting CCP policies to “beat the virus” rather than targeted interventions. The WHO were bent to the CCP will too.”
Which ray-machine were they using to influence the polticians’ minds.
The whole ‘China did it’ narrative is an important sub-text of the Establishment line. It:
Focuses blame outward
Legitimizes the idea of a deadly virus
Establishes a possible fallback position
Builds up the image of an external enemy, and in doing so tries to unify ‘us’. ‘We are all in it together’ – because China.
They don’t need a ray machine. They have a policy called Blue Gold and Yellow where influence is slowly increased over years. Blackmail, greed and other things. It’s a known influence system.
But also this idea of game theory is not new. The idea that China could make a small move and the world would tumble due to the leverage that China holds on the supply chains and credit of the world has been studied for a good few years
The area has a level 4 lab and they were developing gain of function coronaviruses. That’s public information. What the US has done is confirm what Dr Yan Li-Meng as been talking about. This idea that is was a natural variation was shown to be false last year. The virus is spliced.
No reason in that to buy it. The virus was found in Barcelona sewage system in 2019, no reason to buy that either (how it was identified is anyones guess). World millitary games were held in Wuhan just prior to all this.
I’m saying there is nothing conclusive about the origins which is a signal whatever is going on is revisions.
We are both sure bats are out. But why are we? No evidence either way to prove or disprove.
According to an interview by Gunnar Kaiser (YT) with Germans living in Sweden, the Swedes are still very angry about the swine flu vaccinations, and scepticism towards these vaccines is vey high.
Unlikely the government will push the vaccine agenda.
One effect of the lockdown is the trains are now totally empty, just moving air. Had a short chat with the chap in the ticket office at our station (everybody uses it as a shortcut). He said he had sold just one ticket today – normally busy commuter station still with two trains an hour to Waterloo.Carpark had just six cars in it. Said I would love to make some train trips but I suspect the policeman who questioned me would disagree that London is ‘local’… I can’t see the trains carrying on much longer like this even though the government is paying to keep them moving.
They’re re-nationalising the railways aren’t they? Don’t worry tax payers will cover it until its profitable & they will privatise it again. Oh wait what taxpayers no ones gonna have a job. Damn that’s my hobo aspirations buggered.
I’ve spent a lot of time on public transport recently and can tell you it is totally deserted.Buses and trains are being subsidised,to run empty services to keep the unions happy.This cannot continue and when the axe falls what are the unions going to do,strike,no one will notice.
Agreed – any sort of returns to offices largely now postponed to at least “June”. Even in November the trains I was on out of Liverpool St during rush hour where at probably a third capacity and rapidly emptied out after a couple stops. During lockdown one it was cheaper for the train company here to put passengers in taxis to London than run the trains…
It appears the medics and modellers want lockdown to continue until at least next year – if not longer. I’ve heard Spring, Autumn (which is followed by Winter) etc
At some point it presumably become impossible to carry on (financially for example) – when is that point?
I suppose some countries will get back to normal sooner rather than later and other countries will be pressurised by their population to follow suit. It just seems we are a ,long way from that and lockdowns are currently quite popular
Steve, I keep thinking that this can’t go on much longer but l honestly think that millions of “sheep” don’t mind it one bit and a large proportion of em actually love it.
Not having a particularly good day today.
The Wolves losing hasn’t exactly helped either.
I am afraid, listening to conversations in the park (not scientific), that some people’s minds have been fried. The gaslighting tactics have worked to the point that they believe whatever they are told without question, and are entirely willing to swallow the next change to the script and the next and the next. Their brains are buggered. They look forward to the vaccine as salvation, while they simultaneously accept that it taking it will not improve their lives at all.
I think they are a minority. I know ex-believers who are bored by the bullshit, and have come round to a sceptical position. People who can’t stomach the constant bait and switch.
But…there is now a demographic that we could describe – given that you’re feeling jolly – in concentration camp cant, as Musselmaenner.
My friend told me yday she is getting vaccinated today. In her opinion, as she had no problems with the flu vax, she should be fine. Might be.
I told her to at least make sure they give her a good briefing. She claims she has not got time to do the research.
Tbh, I kind of want her to have side effects!
Send here that. A 5min read referring directly to the regulators approval document for the Pfzier vax. A good summary of things she has to accept as risks worth taking.
I find it incredible that most people will spend more time choosing a new mobile phone or even a tube of toothpaste than they will on researching something so important and potentially dangerous! Like my mother who says, “the Queen’s had it so it must be OK” !!
On my afternoon walk today I met an old friend and we stopped and chatted for a while. He was out watching for a rare bird (forget what) and stood with his camera ready. While we chatted the lovely little bird did appear and put on a show for us, great stuff. Anyway chat drifted to covid etc and he seemed to share much of my sceptic views particularly about the uselessness of the vaccine. But then he mentioned masks – ‘horrified to see two people without masks in Sainsbury’s’…. I realised we were getting on shaky ground, said a few things about them then decided to leave him to enjoy his bird watching. The brainwashing seems complete and we have no way out.
Agreed, lockdownistas seem almost relieved to have an excuse not to take responsibility for their lives. Bugger freedom, seeing friends, family, creating memories. Very bizarre. Sorry your team lost but the rugby is even worse – all cancelled “due to u-know-what”.
Don’t get pessimistic, this shit show will run out of steam, warmer weather lighter night’s people’s natural urge for freedom, will all combine to release the kraken.
I’m not so much pessimistic as aghast at the stupidity of it all. In lockdown 1 I was looking forward to the summer everyone admitting lockdown was a terrible mistake.
I have no doubt lockdown scepticism is scientific, risk averse and will ultimately be proved correct but I’m, getting frustrated waiting for it.
I can’t see a way out except with the ‘permission’ of the people. but they have been terrorised with ropey data. I imagined end of furlough would focus a few minds but its being extended – how long can it go on?
Steve my friend, this shit show is on the ropes, media working overtime to keep the fear up government ass holes lying thru their teeth to keep the narrative alive.. Spring is coming most folks are reaching breaking point,in the real world it’s collapsing like a deck of cards, spring summer will see the dam break..
currently the only place I can go for a change of scenery and a coffee is the motorway services. It may be on the ropes but I’d rather it was over the other side of the ropes having its skull stoved in by an angry mob
I do believe you are correct. People dont really want to go out too much at the moment cos the weathers shit. When it gets lighter and warmer thatll change. Me – I just wanna go to the fuckin pub.
The more lockdowns the worse the pandemic deaths will be, the longer this shit show lasts. Lockdowns are great at dragging the suffering out nothing else.
April is the end of the financial year. If the government plans to spend next FY as it has this FY, it might be in for a nasty shock.
Those who buy bonds (which is how governments “borrow” money) will no longer view these as a safe buy and go elsewhere. A government that cannot sell its bonds is in deep trouble. Deep, deep trouble.
Or the government can print money, give it to the banks, and tell them to buy government debt (bonds) with it. This is how quantitative easing has worked and why so far we’ve got away with what we’ve done using QE since 2008. But there is a limit and if confidence in UK bonds is gone, the banks won’t buy. And not just British banks, but worldwide banks.
Money is a medium of exchange, nothing else. Ultimately, it is a zero sum game, you cannot just magic it from thin air, especially when your currency is a fiat currency and based on trust. The result when that trust is gone is usually inflation. Real tangible assets and commodities become highly desirable and their price skyrockets. That is when everybody – rich, poor, somewhere in between – end up financially twatted. And I mean financially twatted. Pension? Forget it. State expenditure on goodies like health, education, welfare? Forget it. Plenty of jobs in the public sector? Forget it. Wages that cover outgoings? Forget it.
I suggest that will be the moment people wake up, if they have not already. Forget your Great Reset or Doctor “Doom” Gates – that will all be swept away.
Governments, or at least national banks, are fully aware of this. If the show continues beyond April 6th, I strongly recommend emigration to a country that has abandoned the lockdown.
This is guaranteed to happen.The only question is when.Those smug middle class types who have so far escaped the financial fallout will reap the whirlwind they have sown.
I can’t believe so many people are oblivious to the fact that you can’t switch off a massive part of the economy and pay people to sit at home,with money you have just printed,and not to have something very bad happen.
Them Italian Bros are kicking ass restaurants opening and saying fuck you,we need the frog’s to fire up next that will fan the flames, this whole shit show is beginning to reach critical mass…By me roads are busy,me and the Bros just been for a blast on the Harleys dropped off at one of them roadside burger places 20 of us,hip flasks and good snap had a good laugh with the truckers and some walkers Fuck lockdown.
Just been for a venture out and about. This time of year is never the most inspirational but I don’t think I have ever surveyed such a miserable and depressing landscape as this. Almost every enterprise closed and those that remain open are empty apart from a few maskoid zombies.
It feels to me as though we are living in an open prison…but with no parole for good behaviour….but of course threats of withdrawals of privileges for so called ‘bad behaviour’.
It feels much worse than the lockdown 1 partly because the weather is so awful, partly because so many enterprises have already closed their doors for good under the cosh from the first 2 lockdowns and the tiers but, perhaps most of all, because this is of indefinite length and its now patently obvious that this is going to be the intermittent way society responses to any future respiratory viruses.
It must be obvious even to Peter Hitchens and others that the strategy of writing to MPs has utterly failed and they really do need to wake up and smell the coffee and realise there are very dark forces at work here and that we are gradually entering a period of undiluted tyranny. The people who wont acknowledge this are starting to annoy me as much as the designers of this ghastly policy.
We have often here made reference to the 3 ‘groups’ in the public. The true zealots never want this to end and are loving the smug feeling of living on unaltered incomes and the ability to stare out of their windows, note book in hand, recording descriptions of visitors and their car registration numbers. The middle group (the ‘going along with it brigade),one assumes will eventually tire of the bleak dullness of life devoid of any spark from the pursuit of interests or social outings. Do they really want another spring when everywhere is closed from one end to the other and a summer where you are ‘allowed out’ but only in the dispiriting and alienating ‘new normal’?
Only a show of mass dissatisfaction from this middle group and a serious co ordinated and organised resistance on the part of businesses and civil society groups is ever going to get us out of this. Left to the politicians and so called ‘scientists’ we will be drowning in this quick sand for ever.
It’s been very clear since day 1 of this bullshit that the only way out is mass civil disobedience. Sadly the vast majority of people in this country are sanctimonious, virtue signalling half wits who would rather preen about how caring they are on social media than actually live their lives.
In reality the lockdown rules only apply if you choose for them to apply to you. I haven’t followed a single rule since March and have no intention of ever doing so. As Laurence Fox so brilliantly put in, Compliance is Violence. The only reason Piers Moron and Penfold got so angry about it on GMB was they know he was 100% right but they don’t have the courage to say it themselves. Indeed, this could apply to so many people across the country.
No not half-wits – they’re scared for a very good reason and I don’t mean the virus. We’re being threatened by our own government and they’re wittingly (excuse the pun) destroying our lives – are they psychopaths? Satanists? Who knows – but with the army on the streets who is going to stand up to them? This has never happened so blatantly in our lifetimes- why should we all have an easy response to what’s going on? Sorry if this seems extreme but what’s being done to us not by a flu-like (not really that unusual) virus which will keep us under house-arrest till our lives are destroyed but by some dark forces controlling our government- well I’m sorry but there are no glib responses.. (and I have just watched The Hamburg Syndrome clips on YouTube – possibly Klaus Schwab’s favourite film?)
Cannot see the Army taking to the streets, they are the last arm of the public sector that actually does the job for which they are paid. No virtue signalling, no self righteous whingeing about low pay, their job being hard or dangerous, they just get on with what the signed up for.
Threats to this effect are hollow because Bozo and the clowns know they don’t control the army.
The upper levels are all bought and paid for careerists but the rank and file are true patriots.A treasonous government couldn’t rely on their loyalty.
Indeed, reassuringly the top lot are too busy playing politics to know what is going on. Rank and file are the pride of this country. Would welcome them sending the army in to control the people as they’d probably join in with the “rule breaking” rather than enforcing them.
Yes, I agree – if there’s hope it lies with the ‘going along with it’ brigade. Took 70 years for the Soviet Union to collapse though. I mean this could actually go on for years. Leaving your house to work or buy the essentials or for socially distanced walks. Or 4 month lockdown every winter. These things are feasible – we would all be a lot poorer – but a society can function with pubs and restaurants closed. They can even function with the rule of 6 forever. But it ends when we say it ends and there aren’t enough people saying it
Just returned from a walk and past several shops, 2 appear to have shut up for good. All items have been removed and shelves empty (one is a clothes shop and the other sells china).
The state has dispensed with the illusion of freedom, and finally revealed its true nature to us. They are not going to relinquish their death grip on the population. However, I would caution that this has to get much worse before sufficient numbers are compelled to resist. 2021 is another write off, but we may see the beginnings of a genuine resistance by its end.
I hope you are wrong about 2021 but I fear you may be right. All I can say is whenever the resistance comes I will be joining it and will be happy to do whatever it takes. When the time comes its going to be no time for cowardice.
I agree…I always thought he was lightweight on a spiked podcast I heard….I could tell he was rather a cowardly type wanting to stay on the fence. Delingpole, also on the same podcast, by contrast was unequivocal. I have never thought ‘libertarianism’ was a very coherent political philosophy anyway….but if he thinks supporting this big government tyranny amounts to it he is a very stupid man. In wartime he would be seen as a turncoat and a traitor.
Why would I, he doesn’t even seem to understand what the word libertarian means, so he’s unlikely to have the capacity to understand the complexity of the governments covid19 fraud. Besides I don’t like covid19 fiction books.
I’ve not had the ‘pleasure’ of leaflets yet, but seen on my local news all kinds of bizarre figures just thrown about.. Needless to say completely unverifiable stuff, Sounds like definite grounds for a complaint &/or FOIA.
population 506,000, deaths 120 according to the leaflet. Countrywide that would extrapolate to 15,600 ‘covid’ deaths a month. They must have been reading Fungusons projections and got them mixed up with reality. Reality would be more like 50. or less than 2 a day.
Basics
4 years ago
Someone posted yesterday about the film The Hamburg Syndrome. A complation of clips is below. It is pretty astonishing in it’s accuracy. The Hamburg Syndrome 1979 German pandemic Sci-fi film. are the powers that be usiing it as an instruction manual?
It might be interesting for a film buff to look into the producers and money behind the film. Obviously the film was made for a reason, a big production never just accidentally happens.
This is so chilling and so accurate that it can’t possibly be a coincidence- I know this site doesn’t want to encourage talk of scamdemics but if you watch this you can’t possibly go on believing it’s real..
That is very sad. I had news of a 20 year olds suicide. Who knows the pandemic measures could have contributed, I am certain they didn’t help this persons mental health.
Oh dear.
a couple of years ago he was screaming that different colours of smoke at the Vatican (during the process for selecting & changing Popes) was racist;
then he ranted that white people doing charity work in Africa was racist;
then he said Brexit was purely voted on by the racist Tory southerners (ignoring the fact that 60% of London voted remain, around 60% of the west midlands, & 70+% of some parts of the north voted to leave)
I almost don’t dare ask what he’s said now… anyone give me odds that it involves either or both of (i) a screaming rant,& (ii) accusing everything of being racist?
he’s just a loud mouth twat with a huge chip on his shoulder which makes him unbalanced.
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danny
4 years ago
Outraged headline of the Mail. “Britons ignore Johnson’s plea”.
Might not be the solidarity of the Italian restaurants, but compare this to two weeks into the March lockdown, and it is clear to see that the loons of Sage and government (and the media) have lost control of this narrative now.
This lockdown is nothing like Spring – round me (SE London) looks like business as ususal on the roads (obvs many actual businesses are still shut though).
Have been trying for a while out of interest, but cannot find a single page on either the BBC or The Guardian devoted to the Italian restaurants opening up on mass today. Surely whatever their personal views on a story, a news story is a news story?
it’s akin to saying we won’t mention a forest fire, because we don’t like fire. Disgraceful betrayal of professional journalism.
Because the government doesn’t want it happening here. If on Twitter, send all the films and info about places opening up to @fsb_policy (Federation of Small Businesses) and @britishchambers and ask them when they’re doing the same.
I suspect they’re all coming from hospitals, which is the most likely place to catch any virus. That, and they test every patient until they come up positive.
yes i saw a video of same experience of a test centre in bristol – no-one there and a member of staff asleep on the table. This seems to be replicated across the country – kind of says it all really. I think the politburo just make up the test numbers.
Does he believe in the nonsense he spouts? Seems unlikely.
If not, surely at some point the power and the glory he gets from pushing this line is somewhat outweighed by living in a totally shit world. I mean, unless you are a super VIP the world we are living in is shit for everyone – at least if they are human and not a lizard
Surely even loons like him have some things they enjoy doing that are now banned/closed?
Well they’re happy to campaign for these restrictions when they have no intention of obeying them themselves. As exemplified by their spiritual leader Neil Ferguson.
pvenkman
4 years ago
I wonder if in the future all nhs employees should go through a sort of basic training to be able to better assist in times like these perhaps just simple things like collecting vitals distributing meds, changing beds etc this could free up the time of nurses.
also in many places I have noticed that there is often a old hospital near a new hospital perhaps we need some mothballed hospitals that we can open up around the country staffing would be a problem I guess.
what I think is clear though is that the nhs hasn’t been saved it has failed at its job in our time of need and isn’t fit for purpose.
That would demand joined up thinking and different departments working together. Which they can but only after getting approval from 3 committees, 43 subcommittees and 4 different HR functions.
I’ve just seen some footage of protesters in Hong Kong. A lot of the protesters are wearing full face gas masks against tear gas. And people think wearing a damp rag will stop something very very small. You can fit 1000 coronaviruses across the width of a hair.
The damp rag also traps and provides a perfect growth medium for nasty bacteria.
danny
4 years ago
Now Jimmy, time for your zoom lesson.
Q. what should you do if you are poorly?
A. Go and see a doctor or go to the hospital?
Q. Very good. Now, what do you think would happen if the doctors told you to go away, and all the big hospitals closed their doors?
A. Erm… Lots of people would be poorly?
Q. Well done Jimmy. You are doing so well. Now. Next question. You have lungs in your body, and their job is to help you to breath. Try it now. A deep breath. In through the nose and out through the mouth. Brilliant. Now. Would do you think will happen if I cover your mouth and nose with this cloth?
A. Oh, I know that one. It would be hard to breathe, and I might get a bit poorly.
Q. That’s right Jimmy, which is why you must be very careful. Ok last question. Do you think that more people get poorly in the summer when it is hot, or in the winter when brrrrr, it gets very cold and rainy?
A. Definitely the cold one, because I always get a runny nose then.
Q. Ok. So, we’ve got closed hospitals, lots more poorly people, and masks restricting airways. Hmmmm. I still don’t understand why excess death rates are so high at the moment. Must be all down to Covid.
A. What’s Covid sir?
Q. You wouldn’t understand.
He shows his fear graph indicating that there are 17 people per million for the whole UK. 2210 per week. London has a capacity of 1600 beds. This figure would give a weekly requirement of 136 ICU beds. London is running at capacity, so if his figures are correct who is taking up the other 1400 beds?
As usual, the context ie capacity in this case, is left out. Fear graphs always are shown without context.
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Achilles
4 years ago
They wonder why the vaccinations aren’t having an effect on deaths in Israel yet. Well it needs more time to play out but there are two obvious explanations. The vaccine isn’t actually effective for the kind of people who it normally kills (I.e the old and sick). and/or the people aren’t actually dying of Covid. Pretty basic stuff but hypotheses any decent scientist should be eliminating before moving on to anything more complicated.
I sent another email to my MP. This one was entirely personal to me.
This is part of my email
“I’m asking you to check who is voting to remove my rights of freedom to leave my home and have a member of my family visit me as it is now seen as a major crime.
I went along with the fear mongering at the start of this and I expected our governments to prepare as promised (remember the prime minister “3 weeks to flatten the curve”) our hospitals and help protect the elderly and the vulnerable from this dreadful virus. I expected there to be a plan in place with better management of the NHS, after all that’s why we elect our members of Parliament.
We have had 10 months to prepare for a virus that even I knew by the end of summer was going to be seasonal and yet here we are imprisoned again and under house arrest for how long? only the first minister knows. We now have so many new laws being created to imprison us.
I can’t wear a mask, I get panic attacks and cannot breath, I did get an excmption card for that but am terrified to shop without the mask in case I get attacked or shouted at, or asked to leave the store, the propaganda in the media is now turning the country I love into something sinister that I feel threatened by from the public and the police. Neighbours are being encouraged to report on neighbours for the offence of having their own daughter in the house. That is not a society I want to be any part of, neighbours should be there for each other in times of crisis not being given excuses to phone the police because they have some minor grevience with their neighbour.
I now feel like a victim of mental abuse on a daily basis inflicted on me by the government in Scotland, the same government I voted for.
The law or rule changes, I haven’t a clue which, constantly and all because the NHS has been badly managed for years and the public are expected to protect the same system that was put in place to protect the public.
For 20 years I fought and mainly won my battles with depression and anxiety and last year I turned 60 I found myself having to ask for help for both depression and anxiety. The anxiety is now so bad I that I have a constant knot in my stomach. I have contemplated suicide before I asked for help but some days are so difficult that I find myself asking why bother as there is no end in sight, none. Broken promise after broken promise. I’m not being protected from a virus, I’m being slowly tortured by the very people I helped put in power.
I would be obliged if you could explain to me why my rights have all been removed, why I am now under house arrest and what crime did I supposedly commit to deserve this treatment? I would be grateful if I got a release date.”
My reply from this man was follows
“Thank you for contacting me with regards to your concerns over the lockdown restrictions. I am sorry to hear that you are finding this so very difficult. We are all subject to restrictions on our lives now but the reality is that over 5,000 people in Scotland and over 80,000 people in the United Kingdom have died from this virus and we all need to do our part in preventing the spread of this horrible disease.
I do believe now we have the vaccine there is light at the end of the tunnel. I know it seems a long way off but by all of us complying with the Government Guidelines, we will be free of this virus sooner than if we do not.
Isolating can be very draining. Please do try to go out for some exercise and you can also meet another member of a household outside.
You can apply for an exemption card If you can get one you can wear it pinned to your clothing and that should reduce the likelihood of anyone being rude to you. I realise that getting out of the house is a priority and that you would prefer to shop yourself however it is sometimes easier to have shopping delivered.”
I have omitted his reply concerning my depression as he gives me details of mental health group from the Council he lives in and totally missed my point of me being afraid to leave my own council area, which is NOT the same as his.
Please note the “You can apply for an exemption card If you can get one you can wear it pinned to your clothing ”
Tell him to watch the YouTube clips of The Hamburg Syndrome a 1979 German sci-fi film – someone posted it on here. It’s exactly what’s happening to us now and I don’t believe it’s a coincidence! Don’t get depressed, get furious!!!
‘all because the NHS has been badly managed for years and the public are expected to protect the same system that was put in place to protect the public.’
What a cretin. Wish I had more to offer other than I feel your pain. These moronic virtue signallers don’t care about anyone other than themselves and are the most selfish excuses for human beings I’ve ever had the misfortune of coming across. They’ll do anything to smack down others so they can feel “safe.” Or they just go along to get re-elected because they think they’re doing what the public wants, which makes them immoral cowards. Not a flattering picture in either case.
Latest NHS/Gov dashboard update shows 1295 deaths within 28 days of a test and on the same page 3417 registered covid deaths per week. No explanation of how in one week you can record over 7000 deaths within 28 days of a test but only record 3417 deaths registered?
This daily scary deaths within 28 days figure seems very weird and is only serving to whip up the hysteria and scare stories. I think it should b e dropped as a reporting measure but I am guessing there is little chance of that happening?
The weekly number currently only goes up to week ending the 1st Jan.
“Number of deaths of people whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes. The data are published weekly by the ONS, NRS and NISRA and there is a lag in reporting of at least 11 days because the data are based on death registrations.”
So unfortunately this will rise considerably soon.
I do agree the reporting of the death figures by date reported is very misleading.
Looking at the dashboard, the total of the figures for deaths within 28 days upto 1st Jan = 4770
That means that the deaths within 28 days is still showing 1353, (39.5%) more deaths than the actual registered deaths for that week.
So even going back to match time periods the ‘deaths within 28 days’ figure is way above the actual registered deaths. Why is this? what is the official explanation? and why is the UK apparently so happy to run with this glaring disparity in the official death totals?
It’s Saturday, so this afternoon I was on my weekly country walk. I drove out about six miles from home and parked up in a big village.
Didn’t get off to a good start as I passed an unmasked woman carrying bottles of spring water who did the old body contortion routine. I turned and suggested to her that she shouldn’t be out if she was frightened of people.
Things improved from then on, however. I was avoiding the fields for the most part as they are very damp just now and passed a number of people out walking. Some families, some with their dogs.
Most were unmasked, but I did pass a couple, the woman wearing her muzzle. Ironically, perhaps she was very friendly and offered me a warm hello. Makes a change from all of the nutjobs doing their Donald Sutherland Invasion of the Bodysnatchers impressions.
I never imagined that there might be a human being behind the mask. You live and learn.
I photographed the pubs and churches I passed along the way. I’m always particularly sad when I see the empty pubs. Maybe my photographs will be worth something in a few years when they’ve all gone.
So a generally uneventful stroll. Cold, but at least it wasn’t raining.
This reminds me a little of the Moody Blues song, Dear Diary:
Dear Diary, what a day it's been
Dear Diary, it's been just like a dream
Woke up too late, wasn't where I should have been
For goodness sake, what's happening to me?
Write lightly, yours truly, dear Diary
It was cold outside my door
So many people by the score
Rushing around so senselessly
They don't notice there's people like me
Write lightly, yours truly, dear Diary
They don't know what they're playing
No, they've no way of knowing what the game is
Still they carry on doing what they can
Outside me, oh politely, dear Diary
It's over, will tomorrow be the same?
I know that they're really not to blame
If they weren't so blind then surely they'd see
There's a much better way for them to be
Inside me, yours truly, dear Diary
It is interesting how many lockdown sceptics seem to have their musical hearts in the 60s. Perhaps it reflects the turmoil of those times, Vietnam War, CND marches etc that had an influence that has carried through the years. As Bob Dylan put it and Peter Hitchens (another child of the 60s) talks about, ‘But I can’t think for you – You’ll have to decide
I envy You for being able to take photographs of Your depressing surroundings. Closed pubs are depressing in my eyes. Equally, I would love to capture the present state of affairs in Piriápolis – however ot would only take a short time and coppers would inquire why I am taking pictures of the sad state of town. One time in Montevideo, I was approached by plainclothes and they demanded that I delete under their watch the image of a beautiful blue house in Pocitos. They also advised to not take another picture – unless I would want to get arrested. Now I am tempted however to get a spycam…
It now appears to me that at least one of the problems that we have is ‘first past the post’.
Creating, as it has, a two party system and successive governments from either party where dissent is stifled through bullying patronage, the ‘payroll vote’, majority government has become unaccountable, exercising largely untrammelled power.
Exercised for the good of all, this bestowal of relatively absolute power, lacking a written constitution, by the electorate could be an excellent thing.
Exercised by a bunch of ‘Nervous Nellies’, no leader amongst them, in thrall to opinion polls, focus groups, to all manner of vested interests, many residing outside this country’s borders, this political system is now, manifestly, inimical to the interests of the citizens of this country.
Consequently, to my great consternation, it appears that the only vote worth bestowing, in future, must be, in due course, one for the Liberal Democrats since only they will offer the necessary reforms to the electoral system of this country.
And only under a system of proportional representation can the new parties that we so badly need grow and flourish.
Speaking for myself, the only way forward I can see is a system of direct democracy, such as they have in Switzerland. I’d sack the party system altogether and return to representatives.
I would go for that if the country was also split into democratic cantons….we already have them……counties…….but, to get there, we have to vote in a party committed to constitutional and electoral reform and there is only one party offering that……
Unfortunately, like all the other parties, they lack the key ingredient…..a leader…….
We had a referendum on proportional representation (it was the price the Liberal Democrats exacted for putting the Conservatives in power). The electorate rejected it.
It was 10 years ago and it was called the Alternative vote which sounded like something you wouldn’t really want to mess with.. Unlike Switzerland with their many referenda which are explained with extensive coverage of what the vote is asking people to choose between, we are left ignorant because it’s what suits the magisterium
I agree with your sentiments, although I couldn’t vote for LibDems. I have before, but not now. I couldn’t vote for Tories, Labour (especially not under Starmer); neither could I vote Green as I have in the past. So I suspect I may not vote next time (whenever that might be) unless someone with an ounce of sanity comes to the fore.
Same with me, I rather doubt that either of the proposed new Political Parties are going to come to much? I expect it is either Independent or a spoiled ballot paper for me.
I cannot vote for the Liberal Democrats, but I could vote for PR via the Liberal Democrats in order to free up the suffocating system of today for a breath of fresh air, young small enthusiastic and energetic new parties….no other way we can achieve that……
Remember the Alternative vote thing? They gave us a referendum on that. They totally welched out of real PR. Another massive sell-out from the lib dem dem.
me too i’m afraid – i was generally supportive of the royal family in the past and thought they did some good causes and tourists like the traditional pomp and stuff which helped tourism economy etc.
But I now wonder what their role is apart from being state sponsored posh nobodies living an extremely priviledged lifestyle in those castles as our expense – nice gig if you can get it! Their role is very hard to identify and justify at the moment and becoming increasingly irrelevant despite the cute pictures of the kids!
The whole harry and me-again sorry drama has cemented this and who the hell gives a stuff about them? And Charley boy well he just goes on about the planet and crap they swans around in his private helicopter – hypocrite, if he really believes in the climate then he can walk to effin Davos later this month!
Sorry rant over
Watched somebody today get their mask out of their pocket to go into a shop. It fell into a puddle. They picked it up and clamped it over their face anyway. Just to be safe.
I heard the other day that someone in a shop had forgotten their mask while that Dr Hillary was in there. He watched a bloke hand this other person their USED mask and they subsequently put it on! I don’t think it gets much more gross.
In light of all the contradicting news and policies dumped on free falling mental health of billions of humans the planet over, I was reminded of the late Bill Hicks – whom I still, or more than ever before adore, for his razor sharp mind and wit. My favorite combination.
At the peak of his insights into what ‘society’ actually constitutes, he converted what J. Krishnamurti had termed the “profoundly sick society” towards a much simpler analogy: “It’s just a Ride!”. Reading todays latest accounts of what happens in the UK and Europe, I was reminded of Bill Hicks assessment and realized that his notion could easily applied to the present mayhem dished out by wannabe dictators of all sizes and shapes. Allow me to introduce to You a Bumpersticker that You are free to use without limitations:
Covid vaccination A guide for older adults –
These are the sum of the symptoms of Covid19 they mention
A new and continuous cough
A high temperature
A loss of, or change in your normal sense of taste or smell
Feeling very tired
Have aching muscles,
Diarrhoea
Vomiting
Fever
Confusion
(No mention of the Covid toe that a few have reported on here)
Common side effects of the injection
Painful, heavy feeling and tenderness in the arm where you had your injection
Feeling tired
General aches and flu like symptoms
Although feeling feverish is not uncommon for 2-3 days, a high temperature is unusual ( This may mean you have Covid 19)
Symptoms following vaccination normally last for less than a week.
My 97yr old Aunty had her first injection (pfizer) a few days ago with no side effects.
Nearest for Mum at the moment is 11 miles(NHS calculation) this would be have to be by microlight aircraft . The shortest route by car is actually 21 miles.
PS
After being vaccinated you will have to
practise social distancing wear a face mask wash carefully and frequently follow the current guidance
John P
4 years ago
Tory MP Simon Hoare has just wet himself on twitter. Re Laurence Fox:
“I hadn’t realised that being a first class, ocean going, chateau bottled, nuclear powered prick was an exemption from wearing a mask. What a selfish loathsome tool this man is”
Perhaps those with twatter accounts (I don’t have one) might like to signal their support for this upstanding citizen?
Personally I think the unfortunately named Hoare is a “nuclear powered prick”, but that’s just me.
Since when did a salary of £82,000 entitle Hoare to be such a wanker in public?
My vote didn’t arrive & I resigned from the Party at the end of last year-a mix of North Korea and Green Socialism was finally too much for me after 45 years.
I see virtually no difference in any of them to be honest. What we have now is a kind of National Government of the shits…Ramsey Macdonald would be proud.
A really nasty piece of work I tweeted the Swiss Policy Research page with lnks to studies refuting mask efficacy & the Dr Ted Noel Youtube video showing him blowing billowing clouds through a mask by vaping. But my MP took no notice so I’m sure he won’t.
Tory Party Code of Conduct https://www.conservatives.com/code-of-conduct
7. Leadership – Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour.
actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs;
lead by example to encourage and foster respect and tolerance;
treat others in a professional and straightforward manner…
He’s following the example of Johnny ‘Johnny’ Mercer MP (Con., Plymouth).
Referred on Twatter to people like me who objected to being stopped at police roadblocks in Lockdown 1 as ‘kn*bs’, and people like James Delingpole, and by extension me, as a ‘c**t’ for not wearing a muzzle.
What a fine bunch of MPs we’ve elected to govern us – school-boyish imbeciles.
These MPs are showing themselves to be really low level.
The man is entitled to think what he likes, but I really don’t think that it’s appropriate for a man in his position to be writing in that way on social media.
I just listened to 3 hours of a review of 2020 by the German corona auschuss (Fuellmilch etc).
I am so glad I speak fluent German, as this was one of the best resource to turn people. or at least stir up some questions.
Off topic but boycott Cadburys. If you have the stomach Google Cadburys cream egg advert. Its two men eating a cream egg at the same time. They wouldn’t show a man and a women doing this.
When Kraft took over Cadbury they said they had no intention of closing the factory in Keynsham, near Bristol. As soon as the deal went through , they closed it, along with other sites and transferred production to poland cos its cheaper. Thus their products are boycotted in this house. Plus their products (sneakily tested) dont taste anywhere near as nice as they used to, they are halal and they continue to use palm oil. All in all – they can fuck off.
DanClarke
4 years ago
I’m still amazed at how evil our Parliamentarians have turned out, I’m not naive enough to think that the majority arent in it for what they can get out of it, but never really thought they would stoop this low under guise of a low mortality virus, destroying everything and so blatantly
JamesM
4 years ago
Interesting article on today’s update about suing GPs. If one great reform is needed following this mess, then it is root and branch reform of the NHS. It has ceased to function on so many levels that it is no longer fit for purpose. In the meantime, the people who run this wretched organization continue to demand policies that heap up the collateral damage. They may think they have widespread support, but, believe me, public opinion is slowly but surely turning against them.
Why is the American system always held up when the NHS is questioned.There are many countries around the world who have better health outcomes than us.
Remember the semi religious feeling for the NHS has been weaponised against us.
Exactly. Healthcare in the German speaking world works well with a mixed model of provision combined with compulsory insurance. Most of the UK population is brainwashed about the NHS. Like Covid.
I’m not interested in the religious fervour around the NHS – the whole ‘Nurses have the clap’ business makes me puke.
I’m just looking at the reality, and the comparison with the US is based simply on observing the obvious – that privatised medicine is no solution, and is, by definition, more expensive and less efficient.
And, yes, there may be more efficient/effective systems.
But, of course, the key problems in the NHS are those deriving from politicized ‘buddy’ management and years of diversion of resources through various privatisation initiatives.
John Major privatised the railways not Thatcher.It was also done according to EU laws and the track and rolling stock was separated.
I speak as someone who believes the Railways should be nationalised.
add police, local government, civil service, parliament, house of lords, legal system to that list. Its not a bonfire of quangos we need its a total reform of everything
I dont believe in a STATE health service…never have…call me a right wing Nazi/Fascist etc….we should have privatised the whole thing decades ago…RIP MAGGIE
me too. everything the state gets involved in turns to shit. people need to grow up and own that there’s no such thing as free shit. life is hard, sometimes people don’t have the money to stay alive, that’s the way it is
Figures are showing we a re testing 5%of the entire population every day. Why? I’ve been past two testing stations today zip/zero/nada where are these people being tested???
695,145 yesterday they claim. Pillar 2 has doubled in 2 months, pillar one is consistent at 190k so its not in hospital testing. Its people with nothing to do thinking aaah I think Ill have a test. Half a million people just decide to have a test in one day. No fkin way that is true.
Toby spent almost as much on one night in a Venetian hotel last year, as I get to live on for a month. So it didn’t surprise me that he thinks spending as much on four lunches as it costs me to feed myself (well) for a week is good value.
And aren’t his strapping teenagers allowed to open the fridge?
Other half …. live …..
Dude we are all on the same side. Personally I’ve been putting together perfectly nice keto brunches from mackerel, lambs kidneys, etc for about £1 a go, there is nothing particularly hard about it. But if you think Toby has too much money, the answer is simple, don’t send him a contribution. For my part I think he works very hard putting this site together, nobody else is doing what he’s doing and he’s entitled to go off message from time to time, it’s his site.
I do support him monthly – despite my meagre income.
I totally agree this site is a godsend and fully appreciate what Toby provides for us here.
I recognise, not just the hours that Toby puts in himself, but also the fact that he pays the other editors and the mods.
I also salute him for his work in the Free Speech Union and I admire his courage.
However, I did take exception to today’s puff piece. People are relying on foodbanks FFS!
To try and stop people saying they are exempt when they do not have an obvious (read: visible) disability… The fact that ‘extreme distress’ is on the government list of exemptions seems to have escaped the shops’ notice…
They want to be able to challenge anyone who looks – to their door marshalls – to be ‘fit enough’ to wear a mask…
just watched local BBC news
more vaccine centres – video of old people getting jabbed and mumbling through masks
then reports of police arresting those naughty protesters
then counts of arrests by police in various places for “covid law breaking”
reminded me of North Korean news, only with a little more state propaganda
and for the conspiracy theorists and colourists out there.. notice the colour . a bit purplish
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Police patrolling the streets of Wolverhampton questioning and fining people who had no legitimate reason to be out on the streets.
I can’t believe I heard that from a straight faced newsreader or was she an Android?
And yet this afternoon, I was able to wander aimlessly around, mask-free, at a garden centre not a million miles from the streets of Wolvo, with no bother at all.
‘Tory government trashes UK’s democratic credentials as totalitarian measures are adopted’.
Funny – I’ve not seen that headline from that bastion of Truth and Justice – the MSM..
More seriously, there is an underlying question about the role of ‘reasonableness’ in framing legislation when judged against an analysis of harms. The lack of constitutional protection has been revealed as immense.
Non-seq comment HARRYO 25 minutes ago
BOLIVIA: The communal ceremony of the burning of the face masks is accompanied by the chanting of “Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!”
Interesting… just saw on Emma Kenny’s Twitter that there has been the first successful disability discrimination case against a shop that refused someone service due to them not wearing a mask. Won £7000…
Overzealous/incorrect member of staff, I think. I received the following reply from Morrisons when I complained about the same thing:
Customers will be asked to wear a mask in store, if they advise us they are medically exempt they will be offered a sunflower lanyard to wear. An exemption card is helpful, but customers will not be asked for proof of their medical exemption.
Reply back saying “this is incorrect as per the government guidelines” or something along those lines, and they’ll reply apologising for their error.
I refuse to watch this. Let it be recorded for posterity that these useful idiots were the handmaidens of death, serenading the greatest genocide in history.
dad is a history professor at Kent Uni. Mum was a history teacher .
so working at home on full pay . apparently they did all the tv shows last year during lockdown 1
The boss of Pimlico Plumbers (Charlie Mullins?) has since said on Twitter, that they (Pimlico Plumbers) cannot discriminate on the basis of someone not taking the vaccine.
Pimlico Plumbers are a disgusting outfit. They recommended more work for me than was needed after an emergency call out. Got a second opinion and less work done at half the price they quoted for the same scope.
The guy who runs them used to have a placard up at his HQ stating he was against Brexit.
Plumbers are in short supply anyway so any any plumber who does not want a jab will get plenty of work.
One of our guys (( Sparks ) had to attend a call out the other week where the plumber in attendance was from Pimlico plumbers our guy was chatting to the plumber over a cuppa and asked him what sort of money Pimlico pay ? , have a guess what their day rate is ? £480.00 quid a bleedin day , That’s right their plumbers pick up £480.00 for a standard day . Mind you they have to give £2100.00 of that a month to Pimlico for the privilege of working for them and using their vans.
I really did pick the wrong trade
Yes pretty much , they are ” not on the cards ” as we say so they are probably operating as sole traders sub contracting to Pimlico.
Dartford44
4 years ago
I said to my neighbour that next winter and xmas will be the same as last one.This joke of a government will push the buttom and demand a lock down to save the n.h.s regardless of covid.
It will be the norm,even for flu.
Done it once,why stop.
i fear you’re right – witless n cohort have already primed the docile sheep that next winter will have restrictions … i think this is what they mean by the ‘new normal’!!! Constant fear, constant up and down of restrictions. Our freedoms which we once took for granted will be a distant memory! Seems pretty bleak to me.
Absent a substantial popular rebellion, I don’t think the current lockdown will be lifted at all. Indeed it will only be tightened further (see the SAGE recommendation above the line to institute internal travel restrictions using existing county borders). This is the installation of the permanent infrastructure to enforce the digital immunity passport. Why bother pretending?
Ferguson is already calling for restrictions to remain in place until autumn;at that point they will institute more to save Christmas again.
This only ends when enough people say it does
yes, what are we saving the bloody NHS FOR, is what I want to know. it’s not providing medical care. I think it’s just being saved for itself, a self-serving behemoth.
Anyone else get this from some cove called Dominic Paul, CEO of Domino’s?
Since the pandemic began back in March last year, Domino’s has been privileged to be able to stay open and serve its communities.
We’re proud to have supported our frontline heroes during this time, and once again, would like to offer our most sincere thanks to all the healthcare workers who are currently working exceptionally hard to tackle Covid-19.
Whilst we’re not saving lives, we believe it’s important to support those who do, so to all our healthcare teams, we are truly grateful for all you are doing and continue to do for us.
As a way of saying a huge thank you to those incredible heroes keeping the UK going, we’ll be delivering £4m worth of piping hot pizza to hospitals across the country over the next four weeks – the same as we did back in April last year. etc etc
So in addition to a 10% discount in the supermarkets, their own shopping hour, they now get free pizza? I think this kind of thing fuels the resentment people are starting to feel about the NHS.
Isn’t it ironic that health care staff get pizza, cake, chocolate etc for free.
What is one of the riskiest underlying health condition? Obese and diabetic!
More corporate fascist lies supporting the elevation of the NHS into a state deity. Another company whose products I will never buy again (although I hadn’t already for years, Domino’s pizzas are fucking vile).
I wouldn’t eat that crap, if you paid me. I would hope any health care pro would think the same. The main reason so many can’t stave off a virus is they have eaten such poor food so much.
No,the nurses certainly eat it though.At the hospital where our daughter is a porter,the staff on different wards almost came to blows over who should get the most free stuff,often one ward got it all and locked it away from everyone else.
The hospital received masses of free stuff right through last year,from other pizza outlets and takeaways aswell,free milk,free crisps,free chocolate,free soft drinks.Local taxis were also carrying NHS staff around town for free.Apparently some food was donated for the patients due to the hospital kitchens being closed down but a lot of it was commandeered by staff instead.
I agree. Round our way, the NHS staff (and other civil servants like the police and – some of – the council staff) are the best paid people in the area. Yet I’ve seen NHS staff on local FB pages actually ASKING for freebies.
Here they are at last! The 4th Annual Fake News Awards. The Dinos.
The Corbett Report once again producing an awards ceremony that charts the extinction of dinosaur media.
Fresh off the rack, and so unseen by myself, but the betting is Lockdown will pick up several awards this year.
At 1.25hr it is a rich feast of fakery. So sharpen your skills of perception as you sit back and enjoy The 4th Annual Fake News Awards!
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The fact universities are currently starting to cancel graduation events for their students not only highlights how little they care about students beyond their wallets but helps you realise how hollow the promises of normality by Easter are.
Worst of all is the students are upset about this for the wrong reason. They’re calling this understandable and necessary but they’re upset about no plan for an online alternative.
To hell with the online alternative I want to graduate with my course mates so we can celebrate together and finish our time together in a memorable way. Students are unhappy about this but aren’t willing to accept that they can be opposed to it.
Anyone of student age who is not vehemently opposed to this nonsense is already dead and buried. They are the ones who stand to lose the most. Lifelong interminable suffering is guaranteed if they consent without resistance.
Exactly. How do they expect to get a decent job at the end of this? How do they expect to meet a partner if this continues and human interaction continues to be limited to Zoom chats? They really haven’t thought this through, have they?
Clarity of thought and social awareness is extremely rare these days, especially in the young. They are the perfect fodder for the new technocratic slave state.
To be fair, I know of many students who know this is shit, and are very pissed off their graduations in person are being sacrificed to the great Moloch Covid.
Thanks! I didn;t go to my graduations and things might have changed since then in any case. Either way, it suggests that even a respite during the summer months isn’t on the cards, as many of us expected.
Read LS and the comments for many months but first time posting. I too this week have been emailing various CEO’s about the mask exemptions. My slight concern is the nudging towards the use of “medically exempt”. We here know what the gov website states currently but have the supermarkets been told a change is coming to remove exemptions other than medically? Not that it will ever be able to be implemented!
Which trains? Both TFL and SWR have said ‘except exempt’, never heard ‘medical’.
Stephensceptic
4 years ago
Increasingly feels society is in three groups:
The totally scared / zealots: today I even saw a couple of people jogging in masks and a number of people in masks that kind of covered the whole head. I have no idea how they could even see;
The broad mass of people who go along with this, do not want to be disruptive but who are getting increasingly tired of the whole thing. Lots of such people were out and about today;
Those of us on this site who are on the right side of history.
Jogging in a mask just sounds ridiculous. Didn’t at least person in China die doing that because of oxygen deprivation?
Funny take, but I believe the Darwin Award is meant to go out to the dumbest individuals for their service of having removed themselves from the genepool of humanity. I often wonder what Darwin would say about this award with his name on it…
We just have to hope that the group 2 just eventually get bored to death with all the nonsense. Group 1 will never let go of it, group 3 never believe in it.
‘Bout time the Gov started reporting ‘Deaths within 28 days of being jabbed’
No dafter than reporting deaths within 28 days of a positive PCR/LTF test.
28 days? Isn’t that a lunar month and the average menstruation cycle? Maybe numerology? There, 28 (2+8) will result in 10, which is the Tarot card “Luck”. Who knows what these psychpaths use to create their numbers/combinations thereof.
So twenty-nine dead is, according to Pfizer, in line with expectations”. Norway have vaccinated approximately twenty-five thousand people. Thus, the expected death toll (taking Pfizer at their word) is roughly one in a thousand.
Here the government have vaccinated millions, many of those with the Pfizer vaccine. Yet, according to the government, there have been no vaccine related deaths.
Thus, the expected death toll (taking Pfizer at their word) is roughly one in a thousand.
They might mean that one in a thousand from this sample would have died anyway. That could be about right but it would depend on the age profile of the recipients.
The U.K. death rate for over 80s is about 300/100,000 per week. If 25,000 over 80s are dosed, then just by chance 75 would be expected to die in the week of vaccination. In fact 10 would by chance die on the day of vaccination. That’s an average. Statistics will tell you how likely a figure of 25 is by chance.
3M vaccinated, assume about 300k over 85 (a sixth of the target population) then yes that would be 1000 deaths in the week of vaccination. You can be absolutely certain this number is being measured by Pfizer as a post-marketing commitment. For statistics, the standard deviation on 1000/week is 32. That means If one measured four standard deviations from mean for values of concern 1120 deaths/week this would be noted.
The death rate for 75-84 is much lower, 100/100,000 and then halves again for 65-74, and again for 45-64.
When you think of all the excellent and exceptional people who’ve been done away with over the year – it does make you wonder how no-one has ever ”got at” the ones who actually deserve to be wiped out.
You are in excellent company. Lukashenko, the Belarussian president that refused to implement the Western values lockdown, recommended to drink enough alcohol to maintain a healthy blood alcohol level that no virus could survive. My Dad is also following this advise with his soon 87 years. It obviously works.
I’m drinking as much as I can before prohibition. There will be no outlet for the proles, the state wants to control everything. I’m keeping the Absinth on ice for the final act.
All well and good until rural areas are forcibly depopulated and agriculture is completely turned over to synthetic GMO produce (which will not include the crops required to make alcohol).
The tissue thin facade that is pretending elite sports can be sustained – part of the bread and circuses strategy- is beginning to be torn asunder
Australians waiting to get into their own country are stuck because there is a cap on numbers due to the requirement to quarantine in hotels on return, but the queue has been jumped by 1,200 tennis players and their entourages flying down for the Aus Open
Players were meant to quarantine and be able to practice, now an “outbreak” has been discovered on one of the flights (how come – surely they were wearing masks?) and 47 players now cannot even practice. 2 weeks alone in a hotel room, can’t practice, go and lose in first round
Meantime lockdown and vaccine and mask zealot Andy Murray can’t go because he has tested positive so is stuck at home
I’ve been a Liverpool fc fan, all 46yrs of my life. Even knowing how everything is by design I was still sucked in by the drama. But When the football came back without the fans, I refused to watch or listen to a single game, and still haven’t seen any footage of the team lifting the trophy. And even when fans are allowed back into the stadium, I think I’ll save my time and money and give it to the Sunday league’s, under 18s or the local park kickabout
The only thing I’m sorry about is all the time, money and emotion I vested into this circus. I got quite sniffy about it when Sky took over, and all-seater stadiums came in, pricing ordinary fans out of the stadiums, and forced to pay a subscription to watch it at home. Also I was Pretty sure Hillsborough, when I saw the events unfolding with the premier league, etc. the tragedy was engineered, to usher it all in. But still watched and went to the odd game. But this time, I’m done for good. The politicisation of football, the kneeling, and the empty stadiums, was the last straw for me.
My friend asked me why I had lost any interest in football. I replied:
‘I’m sorry. It’s just fake football now’.
He replied ‘Yeah, you’re so right’ and now he doesn’t pay it any attention also.
What the cricket authorities have done at their game is beyond idiotic. In the 20 over stuff the players spend as much time finding the ball in empty stands than playing cricket. A complete farce.
I think the footballers have made a decent fist of salvaging something from the shit their own authorities have given them. There was never a need for empty stadiums but the Premier League gave that the government on a plate, all the rest of the virtue signaling around the edges is pretty sickly but the players have put some decent football on. I get the feeling many prefer it without spectators.
Good, I hope all professional sports completely collapse, and never come back. Besides, sports stadia are ready made facilities for internment/execution purposes.
I used to love watching tennis, have not watched it or any professional sport since this shit started and will not do so until it’s over
I think sport is better participated in than watched, but pro sport does serve to inspire as well as entertain, albeit a lot of pro sport has become a distasteful circus
I don’t wish it collapses because it gives people pleasure and as such it has a right to exist, and anything that is being killed by coronamadness I am sad to see go, even things of which I disapprove
In the short term however I agree – if you removed pro sport and indeed other entertainment from screens people would start to realise life was pretty empty and start to push back – right now pro sport is opium for the masses to keep them compliant and docile
I spent 20 years as a season ticket holder at football, and loved every minute of it. However sport without crowds is nothing. My current loathing, and desire to see it annihilated, is because professional sports have been amongst the most zealous proselytisers for the Covid Cult ideology that is destroying our society. For this, I have no forgiveness.
same for me watching the french open with so few spectators wearing masks was a real turn off. I won’t watch tennis again in such an awful atmosphere – can’t be great for the players either.
”…sport is better participated in than watched…” Oh, how true. I have loved my years playing tennis, but never enjoyed watching it for hours on end.
Even the joy of playing has now been taken away from us – all ages too. It’s just another empty and twisted result of the control this disgusting government has indulged in. (I’d like to bet MPs still play on their own private tennis courts with their friends.)
well every cloud has a silver lining – and if that misery murray will not be gracing our screens with his total lack of personality and whinging then I’d say that’s a good thing.
He most likely would have been knocked out in the first round anyway.
I actually think he’s quite funny and the whingeing has been exaggerated, but I think he’s a virtue-signalling tosser and pro-lockdown/vaccine to boot so I’ve little sympathy
I am conflicted. My prediction, for what it’s worth (not a brilliant track record although got the Brexit vote and Johnson majority right) that there is going to be a problem with the vaccines, such that it will not be possible to ignore or obfuscate.
I have friends who want it, some older, and I can (just about) imagine the reasons for their trust. I think the health service in this country did used to act in the interest of patients and most medical professionals probably still think they do. The sociology of professions underlies a self-endorsing/perpetuating schema for what they do.
How anyone can justify this experimental vaccine defies the merest of critical thought. People are being misled with false promises or bullying (get the vaccination to keep doing your job).
I feel sorry for my friends who are going to take it. Hopefully most of them will be ok but if they are younger I fear there will be sequelae which will cause them harm.
I also fear for the older amongst them, who might well die when they are exposed to the “wild” virus after their two vaccines.
I want something to happen to stop this medical nemesis in its tracks – but of course I don’t want anyone in my circle of friends/family to suffer the consequences.
My feeling is that vaccine injuries and deaths are going to be marketed as a new deadly strain of Covid. This will lead to a cycle of ever tighter restrictions and even more pressure to take the vaccine, which in turn will lead to more injuries and deaths. Rinse and repeat until the devastation is so great, and the people are so totally traumatised and exhausted, that the technocratic takeover of whoever is left will be a piece of cake.
Marat was a bloodthirsty fanatic .
Deservedly stabbed to death in his bath by Charlotte Corday, a brave young women who was subsequently guillotined by the Committee of Public Safety .
If there is a medical staff rebellion it won’t be in this country. The NHS is too far up its own arse as the new state religion. Overseas is a different matter.
they should do an autopsy on all those dying after having had the vaccine to determine the cause of death. I very much doubt they will as throughout this shitshow they haven’t done autopsies and also it would probably show up results that the regime don’t want us to know and keep the fear going…
A doctor in Germany insisted on doing autopsies despite being told not to, and surprise surprise almost none of the deaths were caused by covid directly
The autopsy done on a 90y old who died within the hour of vaccination in Germany resulted in – not related.
I have no medical training, but what is the likelihood of finding sth unless it is a heart attack, stroke or sth similar?
How easy will it be to show sth like “Auto immune shock” days later?
The Coronavirus act brought in on 5th January 2021 includes the law that the government can prevent autopsies being carried out and insist on cremation over burial- this law came in without anyone questioning it and, I think, was never voted on but whatever it was unopposed
Very sinister. What’s the rationale (officially) behind insisting on cremation rather than burial? Surely that’s the choice of the deceased if they had made their wishes known or their families.
I think it might have been Dr. Simone Gold, but I did just hear a doctor suggesting to people who want the experimental treatment (aka “vaccine”) that they should consider pre-paying for an autopsy in the event they die shortly afterwards. It’s exactly as you suggest — they will not perform an autopsy and will chalk the death up to some underlying condition and will never admit it was the treatment.
My gut feeling is that, when people start dying in numbers as a direct result of the vaccine, the finger of blame will be pointed at one of the mutant Brazilian variants already lined up and waiting in the wings – “it was too virulent for the current vaccines to cope with. Hang on, we’ll have to produce another vaccine”. And so the never ending circus will go on.
Good interview straight to the point. Sent to family members but I already know I’ll get radio silence, I think they think I’m crazy but hey ho I’d rather be on this side of crazy anyday.
“I want something to happen to stop this medical nemesis in its tracks – but of course I don’t want anyone in my circle of friends/family to suffer the consequences.”
I’ve reached the conclusion that the only way to knock the complacency out of my family is for something bad to happen to one of them with a vaccine.
It’s the ”penguin situation” again. Where the penguins, on an ice shelf, push one of their number over the edge and then peer over to see if anything happens to him. If he’s okay, they jump in. If a leopard seal gets him, they wait a bit….
The 3 at the top Johnson, Whitty and Hancock, will all lie with complete impunity. Anything can be brought up to fit to requirement. I struggle to believe a word any of those 3 say. They might go even past Bush and Blair as liars.
Blair had an ideological agenda which was barely hidden. Yes, he would use mendacity to achieve a goal, but generally the goal was clearly defined. In the obvious example of Iraq, he created the narrative required in order to pursue his belief in liberal interventionism.
But what is the agenda of Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Valance? What are their principles? What do they believe in? What are their goals?
Not only are these renegades liars, but we don’t know why they’re lying. It certainly doesn’t appear to be on the basis of any ideology and clearly isn’t for the benefit of the British people.
yeh, the problem is we no longer live in a ‘nice’ world, we have to get our heads around the fact that the opportunities we assumed our children would have aren’t there any more, everything we hoped for pre-2020 we can just put out of our minds now, they’re not happening. the choice is stark: submission or resistance: in neither will there be any happy ever after, but one is the right choice, the other wrong
I’ve been struggling with this issue as well. I would like to shout from the rooftops to all my friends and family that this is an experimental medical treatment (I refuse to call it a vaccine) and they are being “asked” to take part in a human trial for which the long-term effects are unknown and the manufacturers have been granted blanket immunity from adverse effects caused by their product. While this is my inclination, I have decided that I cannot save everyone from their own ignorance and stupidity. I’m in hunker down mode and really only care about a handful of people, and those people won’t disown me if I make my case to them. My husband is a big no, so we’re on the same page. I have told my girls they had better talk to me first before making any decisions. They’re the ones I’d end up having to take care of financially and every other way in the event something terrible happened to them, so I have a vested interest in whether they choose to be guinea pigs. They don’t want it but are afraid their lives will become unliveable if the level of coercion is ramped up, so I find myself in the unfortunate position of hoping the number of deaths and injuries become too hard to ignore before any of my loved ones have to decide.
Imagine the pubs were open and the whole country was talking about the vaccines over a few, face to face. There would be a lot of people asking many more questions. No wonder this lockdown and the rest are bing capitalised on for all sorts of agendas.
I am totally with you, Lisa. My 18 year old daughter knows that she has nothing to fear from COVID, but is determined to take the shot because she doesn’t want her future restricted. She doesn’t care about fertility risk or possible allergic effects. She has severe food allergies. I have told her the points you made above, but to her it is a closed discussion. Evil times.
It has everything to do with having become so removed from Nature and natural living, that people have abstracted death as the prerequiste for Life. Death is removed from daily life and only of concern when plandemicists threaten the population with it – totally removed from the individual occurence of each human being’s departure. One would think that religion would have relativated this fear, but obviously not.
Secret Squirrel
4 years ago
This petition is not gaining signatures fast. Please sign and encourage others to likewise
Just signed.
But of course what we should really expect is for it to be illegal for any PRIVATE COMPANY OR ENTERPRISE to make it mandatory as a condition of accepting business.
Or is that in itself illegal?
Signed. I’ve lost count of how many of these I’ve done in the last 10 months. None of them have made a blind bit of difference of course, but that’s not really the point.
What is really galling is the reply from the government to any of these petitions. A more patronising load of tripe and insulting tosh you couldn’t expect to see. Obviously written by poorly educated minions.
absolutely. the point is to dissent. without dissent, they could reasonably claim or even believe that nobody minds, that they had no reason to believe that what they were doing was wrong.
We could do with key petitions that support the cause being featured on the sites front page, similar to the on-going legal challenges. It avoids them getting lost in the forums.
Maybe many aren’t bothering becuase petition debates are still indefinitely suspended and there is a huge backlog already. I still sign because I’ll take every opportunity to express my views but I can imagine some people just feel it’s a waste of energy.
It doesn’t take much energy to sign a petition. They might not get anywhere but each one is an expression of discontent and thus exerts a certain amount of cumulative pressure. I’m happy to sign hundreds if it troubles the Govt.
Bloomberg reporting a couple of hours ago that Norwegian authorities very concerned about 29 deaths of elderly people soon after receiving the vaccine.
Told you so, says I. What is a challenge for young people can be a death sentence for the very old and frail.
It was reported in The Sun online yesterday. The report said the authorities in Norway were particularly concerned about 13 people of the headline figure of 23 (this was yesterday). All the 23 recipients were over 80 years of age. I skimmed over the article it was sent to me as proof that MSM are reporting facts.
I wonder whether Govt and cronies (and maybe many of the population) will take the view that a death hastened by the jab is more acceptable than one hastened by the virus in the same way that a slow death from cancer or any other treatable condition has been framed since it is claimed to be on the covid side of the equation. Not sure I’m making sense, but I can imagine Whitty telling us that if it wasn’t for covid-19 then the jabs wouldn’t be necessary, therefore they are covid deaths.
No Amazon deliveries
No Tesco’s workers
No power station workers.
No water treatment.
No Police
No Government.
No one to maintain the Internet / Netflix etc
I could make it easier than that. Close EVERY school, college & university, basically every teaching facility. Lay off ALL STAFF without pay, they can have the jobs back once the emergency is over.
Teaching unions are pushing for tighter & longer lockdowns, so let them have the associated pain.
Please don’t sack me. I was the only member of my university department to teach in person all last term. This term, the university has banned all teaching on campus.
If I could, I would go to campus every day and teach my seminars in a classroom or even on the lawn. Or in a bus shelter, I don’t really care at this point.
And I have declared my support for the GBD in a staff meeting, so I’m not even in the closet about my opposition to this lunacy. I TOTALLY deserve to keep my salary!!
If challenged that would be my line. And not without justification on several grounds – but the main one is that this is a disgusting imposition not just on me but on everyone else.
I have not presented myself to the authorities, and I don’t want to wear a lanyard. If forced, I may go down that line. I don’t want to lose my job. But if I can slink under the radar I shall.
Just reading this exchange. I’m a fellow scuttler at the school I teach at. I get the occasional “Nice mask sir!” but only two run-ins with self-appointed mask police. I had to make a fairly thorough medical declaration upon employment so I can hardly make something up now. “Extreme stress” will not convince. I object to the lanyards almost as much as the masks. It feels like another, slightly different, form of consent to this imposition. Not having to bother about any of this is the one positive thing about online teaching.
Yes, I admit to feeling some relief. I was down for at least one module on campus this coming term. I’m glad I won’t need to plan my route and consider my timings.
Yes! Route-planning, and accepting there are some areas I can only visit at funny hours have become a part of life. I have a slight hope, more a fantasy really, that resumption of education in February will coincide with the abandonment of these things. But in reality many teachers actually seem to enjoy them and they’re often worn outside as a way of looking important. So as soon as one teacher puts one on they all copy.
I like your thinking. Along the lines of “DROP THE BOMB, EXTERMINATE THEM ALL” scrawled in red across a page of Colonel Kurtz’s journal in Apocalypse Now.
In fact this has been mentioned on here before: air strikes in areas with high infection rates. Sounds like a plan to me.
Same technique in Toronto as the UK – takes about 10 coppers to take down and arrest a lockdown protester. Are they afraid? Why not just 1 or 2 coppers per protester? An honest question.
Yup, that’s why I left. I still live in a police state, but in a rural area they’re few and far between. The only bit of good news I can report is that the constitutional lawyer who is taking on the government was just retained by a group of former and current police officers who do not want to enforce these draconian measures. They’re not all “just following orders” types.
Bertha
4 years ago
Usforthem Scotland shared this from an Edinburgh headmaster. Bravo!
Children still don’t matter
As an educator, I’m interested in researching the facts and trying to teach children the importance of responsible sources of information and also the importance, in any situation, of perspective.
So, in the interest of perspective, using reliable sources of information, I offer the following:
In the year ending 2019 (all figures taken from the World Health Organisation website):
55.4 million people died globally
8.9 million people died from Heart Disease
6 million people died from Strokes
In the year ending 2020:
1.95 million people died from Covid-19
But of greater interest, perhaps from my personal perspective is how the world’s children have fared.
In 2019 (all figures taken from the WHO):
1.4 million children, under the age of 5, died of pneumonia (preventable)
525 000 children, under the age of 5, died from diarrhoea (preventable)
In 2020:
172 children, under the age of 16, died from Covid-19
In Scotland, since lockdown: (taken from NHS Scotland Information Services Division)
784 adults have committed suicide, an increase of 15%.
The biggest percentage increase (50%) in suicide by age and sex was in the age range of 15-24 year-old men.
In my previous post, I quoted six months waiting times for a mental health appointment in the Lothians; this was incorrect, as I quoted the figure from pre-lockdown. The waiting time is now in the region of eighteen months. So, if your child develops an eating disorder in January 2021, please don’t worry, because they’ll be seen by a mental health professional in July 2022.
To the Scottish and UK governments and to all media commentators:
Based on the figures quoted above, why are we following our current strategy and why is there no opposition to it?
Children need to be with their friends. Not even during the dark years of World War 2 were children isolated from other children. Such a policy is doing immeasurable harm to the future generations.
Perhaps those in power don’t really understand, or believe, that the impact of lockdown is unimaginably devastating on our children’s development. I’d be interested to know how many child mental health experts sit on SAGE. How many form part of the Scientific Advisory body to the Scottish Government? How many mental health experts even sit on Scotland’s Education Recovery Group?
Let’s shield those who are vulnerable (including teachers) but please, please, please OPEN schools. Our children matter too.
While I appreciate the polite questioning as of to “why”, I like to point out, that this has been the idea behind these ‘measures’. Only in the context of projecting the consequences for these crimes against humanity, will one understand why they are perpetrated. We are not supposed to live a long, healthy and happy life anymore than the people of Yemen, Libya, Syria, or Palestine – to name but a few places.
Needs to be given earlier to patients at risk of serious progression. By the time patients are admitted to RECOVERY they’ve basically cleared the virus.
I donated but my antibody titer was too low. My friend has donated six times!
“We must work to ensure harmful speech is regulated in order to ensure broad participation in the public discourse that is essential to our lives — and to our democracy.”
Orwellian translation: “Anyone who disagrees with the state must first be silenced, then eliminated.”
There’s only one way this kind of thinking ends. With bodies in mass graves.
Even if they make headway and pass laws in this vein, I think its putting a lid on a boiling pot. There is no way you can contain things for very long. It just creates problems as society is ground down more and more. An explosion is certain and it won’t be pretty.
I tend to agree. Western societies are normally good at releasing pressure through safety valves but seem to be losing that ability or are acting as if it doesn’t matter.
This clip could have easily been produced in a single market with no more than 50 paid crisis actors.
Note that the tweet is sourced from an account called, “Things China Doesn’t Want You to Know,” which plays up the idea that these videos are genuine and show something the CCP wants concealed.
This is precisely the angle that was played up around this time last year by YouTubers like SerpentZA and laowhy86 when they showcased the video clips of randos dropping dead in the streets of Wuhan.
“Look at what China’s trying to hide guys! This is really serious and they don’t want you to know about it!”
They really have nothing new in their toolkit. It’s just repeating the same old, tired routines ad nauseam. This is one of the reasons I believe the source of much of this is machine intelligence, not human. A.I. cannot create anything.
Why do you think those Youtubers were taken in like that? They were both familiar with China and far from CCP-friendly.
My working assumption has been – following Jon Rappoport’s suggestion – that China suffered some kind of pollution incident in Wuhan and cooked up the virus story to cover it up.
It may be as simple that those two individuals are seeing what they want to see in China and the CCP because of their perspective on both entities.
Propagandists likely noticed this tendency in them and started a push to label those clips as, “dangerous,” or censor them outright, realizing they would react in this way.
It is an extremely low-risk, high-reward gambit for the propagandists.
Thousands had been protesting against the industrial waste incinerators in Wuhan for several months before the virus gave the authorities to temporarily shut down the city, and blame any deaths on it.
Interesting- and in 2018 a company supplying parts to Apple – Meiko electronics -discharged heavy metal polluted water into the drinking water which led to legal action being taken and a lot of anti US feeling locally apparently
Vaccines and experimental therapies attract a disproportionate number of coincidences, don’t they? I know correlation doesn’t equal causation, but enough “coincidences” can certainly be indicative of a very strong correlation.
We will never know the effect of the vaccine.Anything detrimental will be suppressed.We no longer live in a free and open country.Power has corrupted everything.
In many other countries, including the US, figures are being collated and published every day of people who have died or reported possible side effects after receiving the vaccine irrespective of whether it might have been a coincidence or directly related to the vaccine. I am happy to be corrected but I am not aware that any similar figures are being published in the UK. Based on the number of elderly people vaccinated in the UK to date it is not plausible that none have subsequently died or suffered adverse events – indeed we know from personal testimony such as yours and on other BTL forums that there have been deaths (not necessarily related to the vaccine). We need to have transparent figures but these do not appear to be forthcoming at present.
danny
4 years ago
Check out the Daily Mail!
All over for Hancock??
This story couldn’t come at a better time. Mass dissent from masks and staying home, school attendance going up, Italy fighting back, mask burning in Bolivia, and now Hancock, the architect of the fear in this country, caught out in the park. Made my day.
Yes, I can’t stand the guy but all he’s doing appears to be exercising in a local park with a member of his own household. Children should be out in fresh air enjoying themselves so as a parent he was encouraging this within rules..
His behaviour was within the law, but it contradicted his repeated exhortations, specifically that everyone should behave as though they have the virus.
If you have the virus and you are well enough to do so, you should be out in the fresh air getting lots of exercise with other people. So he was spot on.
Yes. Ordinarily a man playing in the park with his kid wouldn’t be an issue.
But Hancock and his boss have spent the last few days telling us all to only go out if absolutely necessary. It was only this week that he was applauding police for stopping somebody sitting on a bench, or holding a coffee.
How “essential” is playing in a busy park?
Doesn’t he have a garden? The man has no shame.
Matt Hancock has repeatedly told us all that we have to behave as though we have the virus, which would mean self-isolating indefinitely. Clearly, he does not think his exhortation to everyone includes himself.
He’s such a jumped up nothing of a psycho, he’ll do what he wants. I don’t know if the video was taken today but it’s the sort of thing he’d do.
I wouldn’t put it past him to stand in parliament and complain about how many were at the park.
Yes taken this afternoon according to the Twitter post.
Seeing as he has a rugger ball, I expect young Hancock junior goes to a private school, which is no doubt operating normally.
No point in asking Johnson about whether his herd is in school. He would be the last to know, or perhaps he would plead the Fifth.
There’s a twitter post on screen under the Matt Hancock video, that reads:-
“People who don’t wear mask are so thick! Please can everyone stay safe and wear a mask for my Gran and other peoples Gran’s! Please follow the rules and don’t be selfish: wear a mask when shopping! She’s 73 next year and I love her so much. She didn’t fight two world wars for this!”
Presumably the real reason she didn’t fight two world wars is something to do with her age.
Where do they get them from??
Perhaps it’s never occurred to this air-head that there are plenty of ”grans” who are dying from the results of lockdown – not a fast-vanishing and mild virus. No doubt if her ‘gran’ was denied treatment for something unrelated she’d be yelling about that too. Thick? Yes, that’s the word.
It’s depressing that there are young people who are this ill-informed. ”Two world wars” – oh dear.
That would be hilarious if these weren’t the type of idiots we are up against. How can you hold a sensible conversation and present the facts to someone who can’t do basic maths. Plonkers, all of these virtue signalling snivelling twits. I was extremely polite there and I’m proud of myself.
“DOCTORS leaders have demanded ‘full transparency’ from health boards amid concern over the number of vaccines discarded after clinics were told not to give boosters to NHS workers.
“The majority of second doses of the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine were due to be administered last week before a UK directive was changed to delay appointments for 12 weeks to ensure as many people as possible at highest risk were given a measure of protection against Covid.”
The blessed Hitchens (PBUH), has published his column a bit ahead of deadline,
“Those media who said that the excess deaths during 2020 were the greatest since 1940 were trying to hide the real facts with emotion. Many of the statistics around Covid need very careful examination. The raw figures are (mostly) correct, but the way they are presented and interpreted is often fishy, and we will have to wait for an independent inquiry to make sense of many of them – if then. But the comparison with 1940 is plain wrong because the population of this country has risen so much since then. If you allow for that growth, the excess deaths for last year were probably the highest since 2008. Bad, but not that bad. Also please bear in mind that many of the excess deaths for the past year may well have been caused by delayed or missed medical treatment resulting from lockdowns – not Covid.
The Recovery campaign estimates that 6,000 people died because they failed to access accident and emergency treatment. And this will get worse. Last week, official figures showed tens of thousands of cancer cases went undiagnosed as NHS waiting lists ballooned. And 4.46 million people in England are waiting for non-emergency surgery, the highest figure since records began in 2007. Lockdowns also kill.”
If age profile as well as population growth is taken into acount, 2020 is on the latest 5 year trend. It would be useful if all ‘sceptics’ used the same up to date stats that gave the accurate picture.
Hitchens always refers to the independent inquiry to come. I do love his optimism. It’s like when our constitutional lawyer, Rocco Galati, gets asked about bringing a crimes against humanity suit against our federal government. Our governor general would have to allow such a suit to go forward and he/she IS the government so it’ll never happen.
yes this “inquiry” or any enquiry is bollocks. It’ll take years to get out of this manufactured crisis – then they will ‘think’ about an enquiry for 5 years, then take 8 years to conduct it and come out with shite report which is meaningless. All the while in the oak panelled men’s clubs in Pall Mall they will say “don’t worry old boy we’ll make sure it goes the right way”. It’s a waste of time and stacked in favour of the establishment!
Surely these people can’t be 100% evil all the time? Don’t they ever have downtime….. a beer, vino, watch a movie – Uncle Buck, Crocodile Dundee and think ‘you know what, life is for living, let’s stop this evil shit and set the world back on it’s proper normal happy axis’?
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”― C. S. Lewis
If you are a power-seeking individual you can have no time for that, because if you do, then you will lose out to the competiton who are taking no time off.
There are a very limited number of powerful positions in society. The brutal competition for these positions necessarily selects for those who are so driven that they think of nothing else.
A near perfect and continuous decline in ‘cases’ for the last four months despite the last few weeks being uncomfortably cold in parts of northern India and despite distancing being virtually impossbíble in India.
You know if the health experts were given the same task of controlling the spread of flu they would be making exactly the same recommendations to eradicate it.
I’ve challenged quite a few zealots on this, but they continuously duck the issue.
It normally goes something like this:
Me: If you support these measures for covid, then why not for flu?
Zealot: Ah, but covid is far worse than flu.
Me: Let’s assume it is. Would you support these measures for flu?
— silence —
They can’t say no because that would mean “not caring” about flu deaths, and they can’t say yes because the state & MSM have not declared it to be virtuous yet, so it would seem a rather extreme position, even to a zealot.
But it’s academic now anyway, because flu’s been eradicated apparently!
That’s the thing with people who’s sole aim is to save lives. They’re never willing to set a limit on how much is enough. Hence they never seem to understand the concept of proportionality.
rockoman
4 years ago
Looking at the stats for Cambodia – population 16 million
Amazing – after 12 months and despite massive Chinese tourism last winter, Cambodia has yet to register a single covid death and has had only 436 ‘cases’
Unlike many othe countries however, Cambodia has recorded normal levels of flu in the past year.
F*ck these snowflakes, they can recover after many years of anguish. You can’t bring somebody back from the dead! – say all the ever so nice people who pretend to care more than everyone else.
Confessions of a psychologist: ‘I’m having to turn away grieving teenagers’Therapist Vanessa Moulton has seen an explosion in mental health problems during the pandemic – and often the parents really struggle, too
Chile here, and Peru now with rising numbers of ‘cases’ again, despite hard lockdowns and curfews in a very similar pattern to much more relaxed Brazil.
Conclusion – masks, SD, lockdowns – make no difference.
Tyneside Tigress 2021
4 years ago
Just listening to Rachel Shabi on Sky News paper review it is clear that the far left narrative (aligning to the SAGE ‘scientists’) is everyone vaccinated, but still keeping masks and social distancing indefinitely. The other worrying narrative emerging, and being embedded through constant repetition, is that while 90% of deaths will be eliminated by vaccinating the first four groups on the list, there is a high/growing number of ‘young’ being hospitalised (and who will all go on to develop Long Covid) hence we cannot ease restrictions. I think even Mark Harper and the ERG is buying this, if his article in the Telegraph is to go by: People need hope and businesses need a plan. We need Boris to provide a clear roadmap to all our freedoms (telegraph.co.uk)
This needs to be countered forcefully – the stats do not back up a higher rate of younger people in ICU/hospital relative to last spring – correct?
Totally agree. There has probably been a rise in cases (ie positive tests) because in Spring 2020 young people were genuinely locked down – not going to school, not going to supermarkets and of course not going to work like 11 million adults. They’ve been playing catch-up since early autumn. But hardly any are being hospitalised.
Given they had their own polticial situation during the last election, I wonder if the Belarusians feel any different now, given that they have survived the kind of societal breakdown we have here and I other EU countries
Peston – “Prime Minister , I’ve been looking at the stats and comparing the UK to Belarus. It woukd appear that everything whch has been done in the UK in the last ten months has made absolutely no difference. What do you say to that Prime Minister”?
Some chance. Caught the Peston interview with Vallance this week and his most incisive question (bookended by repeatedly mentioning new strains from Brazil) was to ask what Vallance does to relax.
Lukashenko recommended to keep a healthy alcohol bloodlevel in an interview. Vodka has been known to have positive effects on one’s health. The key is the amount one takes in – like the daily glass of red wine…
The key to our shithole is the number of people the Fascists can take in.
danny
4 years ago
Is anyone else a little suspicious about all of these “sightings” lately?
Although not blessed with what I would call intelligence, I don’t actually believe that Boris and co are actually stupid. So on the same day as the threats and extortions to stay at home, Boris is seen out on his bike. Then today, after applauding the police for confronting people holding coffee cups or sitting on a bench and begging us all to only leave home if absolutely necessary, Hancock chooses to go to a busy London park with his son for a game of rugby, instead of his own back garden.
Now either they are absolutely contemptuous of their own rules, which by the way surely also means they do believe in them from a safety angle either (taking his own son to a busy park instead of locked up safe and warm back home) or this is staged.
A pessimist would say they are trying to divide and antagonise and cause trouble.
I just don’t buy that. Personally, I think they are trying to distance themselves, albeit clumsily, from Sage and co. I feel that Boris made a similar ploy last year, when the details about Ferguson and his duplicity were leaked. These things don’t happen by accident. The press prints what it is told to print these days or at the very least what it believes to be important. Just look today. Not one major news story about the Italian restaurants protest. Surely it should make the news, even to denounce it as “selfish”. No. It is deemed improper to confuse the single narrative, so we are not given it.
Any thoughts?
They’ve done so much to try to provoke us into a violent riot response because then they know who we are and can make arrests legitimately. What’s strange in Europe is how predictable each national response has been: Switzerland will have a referendum to decide if the lockdown should continue/ Italy throws pasta at the problem and bars the police from the bars / and we stay in because basically it’s cold and we can’t be arsed ..
I didn’t hear about the Italian restaurants protest but I’m not surprised. We are witnessing the quashing of dissent and the quashing of any signs of dissent. These guys are in hyperdrive.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/16/18s-could-have-vaccine-end-june/ and when we have spent all the billions and we still have Shitty and unbalanced telling us to lockdown for Christmas and no one is safe, treat everyone like they have it, what the fuck do we do then. Put the bastards against the wall that’s what. Spaffer Johnson who seems to have more waffle and less substance every single day.
When we have a someone seriously ill, all they will say is ‘it could have been worse ‘ like their fucking head would have fell off if they never had the vaccine.
“Asked if any deaths had occurred in UK patients after vaccination, the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said that details of all suspected reactions reported in association with approved covid-19 vaccines would be published along with its assessment of the data on a regular basis in the future. Based on the available published reports from the clinical trials, the MHRA said it did not currently anticipate any specific safety concerns.”
You forgot to turn on the function when you mentioned “reassuring” . The people who run our government and health agencies in the UK would rather cut off one hand with a rusty penknife before they would ever admit even one person died as a result of receiving a vaccine, let alone this one! Such us the corrupt domination of public health by Big Pharma in the UK.
Which crystal ball did the MHRA gaze into?
Presumably not Pantsdown’s, which would predict 500,000 deaths from the vaccine unless people were locked down to ensure they didn’t get it.
John P
4 years ago
I’ve a bone to pick with Toby Young and Claire Fox, both of whom, it seems, like to lionise the lockdown zealot Christopher Snowdon.
I’m not sure that Snowdon was ever anything other than a bad faith actor. A devil in disguise.
This is what Toby today has to say of Snowdon on twitter:
“This is one of the best critiques of lockdown scepticism I’ve read. Doesn’t deal with the extensive research evidence that lockdowns are largely ineffective, but poses some tough questions for people on my side of the aisle.”
For some reason an image of Neville Chamberlain waving a piece of paper keeps springing to mind.
What is this Toby? “Peace in our time”? Have you learned nothing??
Seriously – and with all due respect – fuck off, man!
Claire Fox is almost as bad, but at least she has always been something of a fence sitter on this issue.
Snowdon is a creep, a bad faith actor. I don’t care what he has to say. NOTHING justifies lockdown. NOTHING.
But if we’re looking for lockdown critique we could start with a reported 4.5 million waiting list for operations:
Snowdon is a snake. He isn’t going to repay you the compliment, Toby!
Here is his recent arrogant answer to someone noticing the very clear (and very fishy) fall in flu cases in 2020. (It’s either being misdiagnosed as covid or is being out competed by covid.)
But this is how Snowdon responds to people questioning this:
“People are still dying of flu, idiot. Check the ONS data not a WHO graph you don’t understand.”
Toby, don’t appease these creeps! You’ll get nothing in return from any of them!
Give it a rest. Snowdon is mostly right on this. I’ve been saying for months that the LS argument has not focused on the weakness of the pro-lockdown case, i.e. it’s pretty ineffective.
Unfortunately Toby Young has been seduced by Mike Yeadon’s False Positive twaddle and the irrelevant anti-vaxxer nonsense.
Good luck participating in the biggest ever vaccine trial then.An unlicensed and untested potion brought to you by the most authoritarian government in our history.What could go wrong?
Toby is not appeasing anyone. He is keeping the heat out of the discussion so that more light can get in, and so that his side, which is the more rational, can not only win but can be seen to win.
There has to be a reason for all the bioweapons laboratories on the planet. The only fact that explains the synchronous outbreak of the thing in a large number of countries all over the world. Unless Putin used a hypersonic glider to inocculate the world at mach 10.
“Each has sprung up independently in a different part of the world, but all share a remarkably similar constellation of genetic changes which confer a common advantage”
I wouldn’t be surprised if hospitals are not only infecting the host but then also keeping them alive long enough for the host to
provide sufficient selective pressure to create these mutations.
Hence hospitals are generators and filters for these new variants.
A bit like antibiotic resistant microbes, medical stupidity forcing resistant strains to appear through over and inappropriate use.
Similarly, lockdowns are selecting for mutations that are better at transmitting.
Unless these new variants are more lethal then all we are getting is a better understanding of the underlying mechanisms that allow a particular coronavirus to change. Good for science.
But making a fuss about it all suits another political and/or economic agenda so keep the noise going and dazzle everyone with the science.
If you don’t lock down you can spread the health burden over a longer period of time, thus the health care system should not be under undue pressure.
By locking down you are simply storing up the burden to be released in a shorter period of time and you are creating extra burden from all the treatments that weren’t done.
More to the point, by locking down healthy people the government is reducing the immunity level amongst those people. Therefore when (/if) the lockdown ends there will be a lower level of herd immunity in the community, making it a more dangerous environment for the susceptible.
Lockdowns not only increase other types of deaths (cancer, heart disease, suicide etc) they also, in the longer term, increase the number of Covid deaths.
I have a colleague who has been shielding since March.
I always assumed him to be a healthy individual so perhaps he has vulnerable family members.
When he finally emerges his immune system will, if course, be compromised and will quite likely keel over from whatever bug comes his way first.
The latter.
Doesn’t it say ‘99% if household germs’? No mention of wild germs that don’t belong to your household, or bubble, or whatever.
AethelredTheReadier
4 years ago
Why is the Guardian publishing this nonsense about the most recent Observer Opinion Poll that say that ‘voters’ believe all takeaway coffee shops and child nurseries should be shut. Yes, obviously the rise in infections is due to coffee shops and nurseries. Who are these numpties who keep arguing for tighter restrictions? Just lock us all in our houses then and we’ll have food delivered and then the internet will crash and we’ll be jobless, friendless, isolated but oh lordy, lordy we’ll be alive. The insanity of it all is enormous.
“Let me introduce you to Donald A. Henderson (1928-2016). He was the twentieth-century’s most acclaimed disease eradicator. In particular, he is credited with ridding the world of smallpox.”
…..
“Here is the riveting conclusion (Henderson’s words):
Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.
Socially Distanced worship in the Cathedral ?
No, Salisbury Cathedral being used as a vaccination centre.
My city Cathedral closed its doors to worshippers this weekend; I am not personally a believer but I would have thought Christians would find worship with a similar density of people perfectly acceptable.
Leftlockdownsceptics.com have finally written a follow up piece.
One might have hoped for searing prose decrying the futility of lockdown and its dire consequences for the workers.
Instead of which they reproduce the arguments I was overhearing in the Student Union bar in the 1980s.
I wasn’t whining about ‘the left’, rather hoping for a more useful contribution from those who call themselves leftlockdownsceptics instead of yet more navel gazing as has always been their way.
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wendyk
4 years ago
Here in the dreary depressing New Normal Sturgeonia, we are now directed to make an appointment for, amongst other potentially lethal activities: key cutting, dry cleaning, shoe repair and laundry.
The collection of take away coffee and food in store is now forbidden; one must queue outside- it’s raining hard here, and very windy- and, ideally, one should not go out at all, as this could harm others.
So, all life gradually succumbs to Her Holiness’s diktats: more shops close down, access to exercise, fresh air, sunshine and socialising is heavily restricted and anomie is society’s default setting.
We are turning into troglodytes, stripped of all that which confers meaning purpose and hope, as apathy and resignation take hold.
Going to the shops is an unwelcome necessity, even with lanyard in place. Anxiety and defensiveness are the norm, even though my badge is still accepted.
If only we had the resolve of the Poles, Italians and Swiss, who are defiantly opening their businesses and challenging the Covid Mind Benders.
The Appliance of Science has gone too far ; time for the Alliance of Defiance.
I call it control creep, but a coup is the likely next step ,especially as the Holyrood opposition up here is weak and too willing to appease the Sturgeonauts.
Alliance4Unity and Reform are making noises but if elections are cancelled in May, chances of a serious challenge will be dashed.
One year is all it has taken to reduce us to a Covid termitarium .
Gritting my teeth this morning and watching the irritating Nicky Campbell chairing a forum on BBC 1, having been alerted to it by John Lee.
I don’t know how long I can stand it, although, despite Campbell, there are some really good participants (including John Sumption and John Lee).
Clearly the fearful Covidians wallow around in a sentimental feel-goodery that can never be the basis of public health policy. Especially when you haven’t got any grasp of the actual size of the problem and the desperate consequences of current policy.
The star idiot is Professor Semple from Liverpool – who is a breathing illustration that you can be a epidemiology academic at the highest level, and still operate at an abysmal level of rationality and knowledge.
As a P.S. – It is interesting that there is no mention of one of the elephants in the room – the key fact that this is in no way an ‘unprecedented’ event, being well within the range of the impact of previous viral events.
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I have used Gab for at least a year, but it is very slow now. Unfortunately their technical reputation is poor. But use it by all means.
It was fast enough a month or so ago.
AFAIK the speed issues are down to millions of extra subscribers in less than a week.
Actually, to be fair, it is fine this morning.
I cannot access Gab any more. It just hangs!
Wikipedia says Gab is favoured by the far right and “widely described as a haven for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists.” Discuss.
Great, sounds like I’ll fit right in there
I think Wikipedia has become a haven of woke/lockdown zealotry fake news, so I no longer donate to them (used to regularly).
I never have donated even though they keep telling me I should. Not likely to now. I recall they were pretty damning about the ERG during the Brexit wars. Not really striving too hard for intellectual objectivity, are they?
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/
Thanks for that link, rockoman. Pretty damning. Never really trusted their impartiality or factual accuracy. Certainly don’t now.
Me too, I shall no longer donate either.
Wikipedia is a haven for Far Left extremists, election fraudsters, corrupt Democrats and the CCP.
The sort of people who were described as ‘subversive elements’ in the Soviet Union.
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PANDEMIC IV. THE BRAZILIAN.
Of course, you won’t be able to see it, because all the cinemas are closed. You’ll just have to rely on the critics reactions to tell you how scary it is in the press.
Hancock, Whitty and Johnson will be appearing nightly with their thoughts and reviews. Furgusson reckons it will be a huge hit, reaching out to millions.
bozo “do you think they’ll fall for ‘Mutant Covid From Outer Space’ ?”
Delivered daily to a desert near you, by meteorite.
I saw several shooting stars last night. At least I thought they were shooting stars but I now reckon they must have been pods being scattered across the globe by evil aliens intent on the destruction of civilisation. Or perhaps to help world governments to do the job for them.
It’s beginning to sound like a series of Alistair Maclean thrillers…The Brazilian Variant, The South African Mutant, The Madagascan Strain, The Antarctic Conundrum…and so on. I mean there’s no end to how many mutant strains there could be and so no end to this nonsense as long as we have politicians who are scared of headlines, can’t think beyond the box they’re in and who only listen to a narrow band of opinion.
The politicians aren’t scared, they knowing they are lying.
I think they are both. But that’s just my opinion.
Good comment but I can’t give two votes of approval so this thumbs-up is mostly for your username.
When we get to the playoffs between the Sussex Pangolin Superstars and the Berkshire ‘Rona Royals we’ll know the naming thing has gone too far!
I’ve read elsewhere that over 4000 variants have been identified in the UK alone ( I think it was Mike Yeadon?)
Covid 19, Mutant Ninja, South African, Brazilian (one of two). Am I up to speed?
You need to keep it real Boris. How about one that has been unleashed by the melting Antarctic ice?
Ooh, I like that one Patrick,. Fits in nicely with the climate change series. We can do a full cross over episode.
And the one carried by the melting Arctic ice and helped on its way by El Niño and the Jetstream.
Please don’t give them any more ideas! Though I’m sure this one is also in the pipeline to terrify the masses.
He is now abut to save the whales from the Japanese. You can see he has been full on brainwashed by nut Nuts. Hes worse than the other idiot Camoron now
What is wrong with saving whales?, Sea Shepherd have been heroically doing this for years
I wish somebody would save Wales. We’re all dying under Drakeford.
Ooops sorry, wrong whales.
Are we still with Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus 3 or 4?
The government has spun so many lies its hard to keep up.
I don’t keep up. I switched off about this time last year.
I have as well but with people still falling for the lies, one is forced to keep up.
someone mentioned on here yesterday that all these new ‘variant’s UK, South Africa and Brazil are all countries where the Phizer trials were conducted.
but i found it rather interesting…
Coincidence or causation we will never know, not one to be a conspiracy theorist or anything
Its an interesting point, it plants a suspicion in my mind certainly. But I don’t know how it could be proved or disproved.
That’s where science begins. Asking questions and refining the questions.
How might we prove vaccines help more than hinder?
That’s where the science is aborted. Such studies are not funded, allowed or published.
A belief in anything can be so forcefully cherished as to be protected from question, and fear of negative consequence provides the force, and the funding of allegiance and support.
Our self-invested identities are a complex of such ‘beliefs’ and operate as invisible structures of presumed and defended ‘reality’.
Those who question their ‘reality-experience’ are those whose masking persona has failed to hide or cover what lies beneath.
The suppression and inhibition of fear and hate results from perceiving it as threat, and defends against ‘threat’ by masking over and projecting or diverting away from self-responsibility. Blame as redistribution of psychic energy, along with penalty of pain or exclusion.
Maintaining defences must needs hold such hate as righteous or justified by grievance, and to this end, all that is of love is likewise perceived as threat to the capacity to protect a broken, wounded or betrayed ‘love’.
The feelings and insights of love are thus equally perceived as threatening, treacherous, fickle and deceitful and thus demonised and denied in the frame of the hated and feared ‘self-conflict’.
Love of truth must then be chosen over fear of love set in frame of denial and deceit, IF a mistaken identity or ‘love of fear as protector’, is to be released. The nature of the defence is something we have ‘made’ that runs as a machine mind, that knows not who and what you are, for it is made to masked over, distance and deny your awareness of a fear, hate of guilt whose origin lies beneath a complex of defences against disclosure.
If we choose to heal, then the action element of hate calls for inhibition, but the action element of love needs to be disinhibited. Instead of sacrificing love to a futile, depleting and destructive defence that can not work, we need learn of love anew, by bringing the fear or hate into the light of an awareness that heals our perception and restores perspective.
This simplified sketch does not indicate just how entangled and fragmented our ‘defences’ of conflicts have become. But a universal key is ‘release and be released’. This does not relate to behaviours, but to the projection and perception of our own motives and judgements onto other lives, and to our world.
How can we prove or become certain that anything is true of false?
As distinct from becoming captured or controlled by a belief that WANTS it so?
Self-honesty is a transparency to true account at the level or quality of our being, regardless of the measuring stick and hierarchies of judgements that ‘make’ a world to mask out and cover over ‘separation trauma’ within Mind – that take on physicalised partitions as the Human Conditioning.
To the ‘mask’, there is no other reality than life under threat of death as the struggle for power. But you can recognise this is not your reality by the simple grace of noticing it in act. And open the basis to ask and receive answer that is growing Conscious from a mind renewed.
Consider that IF such a malice was intended there are no checks or defences against it being carried out and assigned to wild mutations, and blamed on a lack of public zeal for self-destruction.
One can identify poliovirus in children that is a vaccination strain as distinct from ‘wild’. But under a Cartel Pharmasorcery – where is the means or the will to independent accountability and transparency?
The population is being normalised to constant threat as the basis for total control. Alex Thompson at UK Column started a series on the mind control process called disinformation by the then KGB. It will illuminate some sense of the mind as a targeted proxy for a destructive and coercive intent.
Careful now, we don’t want people thinking you’re a crazy ‘tin-hat conspiracy theorist!’ Get your mask back on. I want you on your doorstep banging pots every Thursday at 8pm!
The distinguishing symptom of the Brazilian strain is that it makes all your pubic hair fall out.
Nice, I can stop manscaping now.
but with a landing strip in the middle.
The Mexican Hairless is so definitely one to watch
There were over 77,000 variants worldwide in March 2020. There were over 300 in the UK. It is probably double that now.
http://preearth.net/pdfs/ids-cdate-sdate-name-country-mutations-77827.txt
From the main text about enhanced international travel restrictions and quarantines.
If the Government really thought Covid was an existential threat and that quarantine was an effective tool with which to fight it they would have commandeered the numerous large hotels around Heathrow and turned them into quarantine holding centres last March rather than allowing returnees to travel home on public transport, via Sainsbury’s, and then voluntarily self isolate.
This is all just more showing that something is being done.
Back in early January, when the government was first aware of the potential pandemic, it decided “on the scientific advice” not to secure the borders, This was stated publicly by a member of the Cabinet. Unfortunately, I cannot now recall which one.
Because Trump announced something similar it made it ‘racist’ to suggest such things.
Without the ‘bad cop’ the scam doesn’t operate.
Always easier to do something than nothing. Viruses like germs, diseases and bacteria are no respecters of borders.
The idea that choosing to not act, is an absence of the presence of conscious communication is the reaction of a driven and coercive compulsion to DO SOMETHING.
The latter is the means by which we choose to give up choice to a private and protected identity set in fear and attack.
Most everything said about viruses represents a projection of such a human psycho-pathological set of conflicted ‘meanings’ (sic).
The underlying psychic NEED to assign demonic or malign intent onto Life – and normalise it, is the unwillingness and perhaps unreadiness to own, face and live through fear as a transformative desire to heal.
Instead, fear is fed with sacrifice of life and lives as if the power of protection in distancing, locking down and masking narrative by which to raise a parody of life from fear of death under blind ‘controls’ that can never have enough ‘control’.
Once it passed its tipping point, the mask of virtue could no longer be maintained. It’s a death cult under mind control.
Hence I listen in the heart for the movement of being that knows life by sharing it.
The modelling mind can serve practical function. But to invest identity there is to dissociate to a fixated fascination with our own ‘reflection’.
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/mutating-variants-in-fear-of-threat.html
Just shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, this government are now out of ideas and running scared.
The government isn’t scared. The government’s job is to make you scared, working on behalf of Bill Gates, the depopulator-in-chief. Now roll up your sleeve!
No one who walks the world in form but has fear striking at his breast.
But the expression of fear called ‘control’ is mistaken for Power.
Worshipping control is a death cult seeking power over feared Life.
Making entertainment from fear is another way to limit and dissociate or distance from what we choose not to look on.
That our choices can become conditioned reactions or normalised behaviourally set ‘thinking’ is a programming by the past upon the present so as to escape reliving a past trauma. The word trauma here is used for the psychic split and not any physical associations. Nor is it used to elicit sympathies of emotional reactions that play out private conflicts on others as if to use them for one’s own agenda as a paramount concern.
If as would seem reasonable to assume, fear, is recognised as a tool of manipulation underlying a global collapse or power grab, then why are we not addressing fear in all its deceits?
For the most part because fear runs the mind we think is ours alone, and that we protect as a private sense of control, by seeking social and perceptual reinforcements by which to seem to join, but always on the basis of a prior claim to separate. In such a world, freedom is assigned to the body as the limit of the mind, and as the currency of locked down minds. Escape into fantasy masks over the pain of loss in symbol and substitution for lost love and its separation trauma. Perhaps for a while the dream seems real and full of hope, but only until the fear from which it hides is masked out.
The mask disintegrates to reveal the ‘escape’ unreal or deceitful, and the underlying disturbance rises to be healed. But fear cannot see this because it blocks seeing as its new normal of ‘control’.
Well they haven’t scared me! I’m just fed up with hearing about covid now. The whole thing is just looking like mass incompetence/bungling and politicians the world over are looking increasingly desperate. They fear the public rebelling. I believe they are scared of the public now as none of the measures like lockdowns, muzzles and social distancing have worked and now its glaringly obvious, hence the more ridiculous fear propaganda. Even those vaccines are useless (no one has ever successfully produced a vaccine for a coronavirus). Once people wake up and the dominoes fall they will have nowhere to hide. Even if Gates is behind covid (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t mean his plans would work, remember mother nature is above even him. Megalomaniacs never account for human nature, diversity in humanity, unintended consequences or chaos theory, that’s why they often lose in the end. For all his billions Gates isn’t immortal and has far more to lose then I have, given his age I’m sure he’ll be dead before me.
I hope you’re right.
Not sure they’re scared. Playing for time, certainly.
Bolted, met a pretty mare, settled down, mated and had a foal.
Oh but did I really just read above the line the simpletons of sage say let’s use county borders to stop the spread. Build the wall, build the wall. I know arsehats like Pantsdown and Mitchie don’t leave London very often but we don’t exactly have marked Borders and checkpoints. One side of my street is one town the other side is another, we get different bin days. Would I now be shot crossing the road to put out the rubbish for the old lady opposite?
What makes a good business? One where there is no one division that’s all powerful. If accounts gets too strong all brilliant innovation gets stymied as they can’t see the big picture. If engineers are in charge you go down rabbit holes to push the design to its limit and can’t see the cost.
Our Firm Mother Britain is run currently by the health and safety’s supposed scientific dogma. They care nothing about cost because lives need to be saved. They think if one mask is good, two must be better. All deaths like accidents are preventable because we can learn to control the virus. But the most critical thing is all deaths MUST now be covid. This is our only danger. Let’s find all the people who might have it and lock them up. I am sorry if the Bridge has fallen down killing 200 people we were only concerned with keeping people SAFE.
We could build a wall around the inside of the M25. Wall off those Londoners .
From the main text, Steerpike thinks you might get away with a two or three day break without a test or quarantine.
Nah, plod will arrest you for breaking the ‘spirit of the law’ which is their way of saying the law is what we say it is.
Laws, rules, guidance and now the even vaguer, “spirit” of lockdown. Simples to understand!
Working towards the Führer.
As you said yesterday Annie, you can go out to exercise but stay home?
The Spirit of Lockdown ~ there’s one Ebeneezer would have APPROVED of!
I can’t see the point in this- how much fun would it be tearing to another country just to see more masks, closed shops etc?
Apparently restaurants /shops are opening up in Italy in defiance of these fascistic “rules” – time for massive public middle finger to the clown boris and his “two ronnies of doom”.
They could have done it any time. They’ve preferred to dig their own graves.
Kh, I don’t know where you get your boundless stores of energy and courage. When all this is over they should put up a statue to you. Maybe not in zombie SW, but in some sort of sceptics’ Garden of Honour.
And I bet none of your regulars have croaked it either due to COVID in all this time? What a fucking joke of a Pandemic this is?
Like Annie I don’t know how you do it, an inspiration!
Yes, I’m sure you contributed to that century.
You’re my hero!
As I’ve written here before, I am sure you are going to come out of this ok, bumpy though it might be at the moment. In time it will be known that you and your cafe stood out against this, and you will get the credit for it – your cafe will have a kudos and credibility that people naturally want to be associated with.
Very few of us if any, will come out of this okay, that’s not in their script. All that now matters is making sure that we do the right thing until the very end. Conforming with the pig dictator’s restrictions will not work as they really do want rid of all of us.
I remain confident that all will come all right in the end, although we’ll all have been disadvantaged to some degree by these events. As you say, the most important thing – win or lose- is to do the right thing to the end.
I would be happy to support any business that opened in defiance of this crap. I would also be happy to get physical with any covid marshalls who tried to man handle me too.
If any rebel restaurants open in our town in defiance of the lockdown I’d be having a meal out tonight!
Postman’s Park perhaps? The Watts Memorial to Heroic Self-Sacrifice, worth a visit. Metaphorical self-sacrifice in this case of course!
http://www.wattsmemorial.org.uk/
Please open a crowdfunding page in case of legal action. I will contribute.
ditto
Me too
And me.
And me.
KBO, kh!!! You’ve been an inspiration and you have more balls than the major businesses put together.
I think the timing had to be right for customers to have the confidence to use the restaurants. I think if Wetherspoons and other multi National outlets get a plan it would encourage the independent ones to follow suit. In numbers not a lot could be done to stop them.
I don’t see Tim risking losing his license. He already has financial backing to survive the lockdown due to this size. They will operate a risk averse policy.
If it even goes as far as court. Too many of our “public servants” are behaving like power crazed gauleiters.
Go for it.
Good for them – ie that they’ve managed to get up a “head of steam” sufficient that there’s enough of them to do this. It is difficult to decide to do something, have a lot of people say they are in agreement with you and, when push comes to shove and you turn round and look for the supporting troups = there they were gone, because they’d wimped out. So it’s good that there’s a large enough group of them to account for the wimps.
The Nuremberg Code (1947)
Permissible Medical Experiments
1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL No 7070 Volume 313: Page 1448,7 December 1996.
Yep i’d say they’ve breached those ethics.
Ah, but it’s not an experiment, it’s The Only Way To Save Mankind And Bozo’s Arse.
Well worth the trifling collateral damage.
It’s never been done before, so the results are an unknown, in my book that’s an experiment ; -)
Of course if Boris suggests he knows the outcome then i’ve several other human rights violations to throw at him.
You know why they’ve been coy about cost/risk analysis don’t ya?
An experiment is a scientific procedure. It is not just doing stuff without knowing.
That’s not making Boris’s defence any stronger.
Either:
a) They’ve not done it
b) They’ve done it, but the result doesn’t fit the fascists’ narrative.
c) They’ve done it and daren’t tell us about the results!
The only reason the government are so keen on these vaccines is because they see it as the only way to get themselves out of the massive pile of poo they themselves created. They know they are up the creak without a paddle.
The vaccines and the especially the “health passport” back to “freedom” are the sweeties to coax the masses into accepting them. I just wish that all those I’ve spoken to, who think in that way, would think another way and realise that the joys of our previous life they think will be waiting for them, will be unable survive the economic slaughter, that the vaccine itself offers little immunity or protection from transmission, and all these restriction are going nowhere (as stated by the Two Ronnies of Doom) There is talk that they’ll continually want pump the thing into us twice yearly. This is all in the MSM but most people haven’t even absorbed any of this info, they don’t hear it, they have such cognitive dissonance now they only hear what they want to hear.
I wouldn’t worry about a “health passport”, this lot can’t even get a test and trace app to work, wasting £12 billion in the process. I doubt much will come of it. Politicians in general are actually quite thick. All of the covid strategy (including the vaccines) have been an epic fail.
Would that mean obese people would not be allowed to fly too? High risk and all that?
That idea would never get off the ground.
Fat chance.
I agree. As each day goes by I see it all falling apart, bit by tiny bit. I actually believe many have just switched off, lockdownista’s and sceptics alike. They’re following the rules as they see fit, interpreting them their way, fighting with those who disagree, doing the government’s dirty work for them. But generally the government’s threats have become so numerous, so hysterical, so desperate it seems that most people just don’t want to hear any more. It all becoming boring and old. Look at how many have revoked their TV licence in the last year.
There are means to stop the biggest machines with the smallest grains of sand – provided one knows where to add them. A sort of Dave’s sand versus Goliath’s fascist machine. However, looking into the sky here, it is obvious that the same people that gave the world the plandemic are also fumigating us from above. It is insane, because nobody here looks up into the sky. Too busy doing what’s upping on their smarter than them phones.
A 0.1% commission on £12 billion is £12 million. Cascade that through layers of middlemen and lots of people can do quite well out of this.
Or as Peter Hitchins says constantly, the other option is to say, sorry! we fucked up, its not as severe as we were told and you most likely won’t die. Protect the vulnerable and all go back to normal. The Chuckle brothers have resigned and I have fired the communist party formerly known as SAGE. We have formed a new group called GUOTM (get us out this mess)
That would work. It would not placate the lockdown Karen’s but who cares about them, its your party wear a mask if you want to.
If our government had any honour they would do just that, apologise, admit mistakes and lift all the measures as they have all failed but they are so far in the shit they won’t as they are facing economic ruin and massive social problems of their own making.
They control the official numbers, so no apologies would be necessary.
Just spend a couple of weeks telling us it’s ending spectacularly quickly and declare triumphant victory for “The Science”
Instead, they’re discrediting the LFT in favour of the +ve -generating PCR. Go figure.
They haven’t f*cked up.
This was never about a virus and it has SFA to do with saving the NHS’ arse.
The real target is NERVTAG. They provide ‘the science’ ©®(Pat Pnd) to SAGE. Remember Ferguson being caught trousers down (metaphorically) and being kicked off SAGE as a punishment? Well he is, and always has been, on NERVTAG, and is busy modelling away as normal. NERVTAG minutes show it is anticipating a Public Inquiry so members have been supplied with a ducoment regarding documentary evidence. The actual document isn’t public (as far as I am aware).
They could even say the virus is now not as virulent so we can ease restrictions. Which us probably true, but it doesn’t need to be true for the government to use it as a ploy to get out of their mess.
This is heartbreaking. Sad too her family didn’t seem to realise there is a higher moral law when it came to helping the poor woman.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/tributes-paid-loving-loyal-mum-23328818
And whose hands is this poor, poor girl’s blood on?
Apart from the poor little lad, all of them!
Wonderful to see videos emerging from Italy following the #IoApro (#IOpen) movement which saw 50,000 restaurants open despite government restrictions. For those with Twitter, @robinmonotti has been providing the updates. My favourite clip was of police being heckled in a restaurant by customers, the translation of their fury along the lines of “GET OUT! We pay your wages! You work for us! GET OUT!!”
This is a truly fantastic development by all accounts, a number of the restaurants looked very well attended, showing that this kind of mass civil disobedience is winning hearts and minds across the continent. Clearly our disgraceful mainstream media would never dare to cover such a dangerous movement, but I feel that they may have no choice as this unique dissent sweeps across Europe.
The virus of non-compliance is more terrifying to the government than any strain of Covid-19. Its spread cannot be modelled. It can engulf whole cities in days. It can only be suppressed by brutal authoritarianism, which will light the touch paper for civil unrest.
There will be many sleepless nights in Westminster over the coming weeks.
Italy led Europe into this lock down mess. Our fault that we followed though.
Italy leads us out.
I love Italians.
Let’s all toast them in a large glass of Italian wine, or grappa, or a plate of pasta, or whatever.
Wales has loads of families of Italian origin, many of them working in catering etc. It would be wonderful if they could follow the example of their original home country, where I think most of them still have close ties.
Ironically the parents and grandparents of most Italian-British people I know came here in the 1920’s, fleeing fascism.
I lived in Scotland and come across loads of people of Italian ancestry. They tend to be represented in hospitality and catering too.
Many of them ironically were descended from those whose final destination was America but they ran out of funds to continue their journey so instead they settled in the UK.
Valvona. Crolla. Contini. Codona….They made their mark!
Espresso with a shot Amaretto will do nicely, too.
The Italians et al just copied the original lockdown gangstas – the CCP. Chilling.
a Xi op?
Interesting too, that Cuomo is finally beginning to u turn. Have the mob been flexing their muscles?
And in California I believe. Hopefully the virus of opening up everything again will spread fast.
The ‘rona will magically disappear after 20th January. All massively hyped with crazy lockdowns by Democrat governors hoping to gain favour with hierarchy in order to remove Bad Orange Man.
In your dreams.
Nope, its standard SJW stuff, remember when Drumpf was wascist for stopping flights from China and Cuomo was hugging Chinese?
Now they think Drumpf is gone, they can change their tune.
I think its because all New York businesses are moving to Florid. Same in Cali everyone is leaving. Unfortunately not an option for us. The Governor of Florida has been awesome. Took the GBD advice and just opened up. HERO!
No. This whole virus insanity was purely to get any head of state out that wasn’t on board with the NWO. Like Trump for instance. Now that we’re a few days away from having globalist puppet Biden installed through the massive election fraud, the virus is no longer relevant it’s accomplished what it was intended for
Italian restaurant in full swing here:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1350245872920047617
I’ve been tweeting the Federation of Small Businesses and British Chambers of Commerce for weeks concerning something similar. Silence from them.
That’s disappointing
I’ll retweet the posting of the Italian restaurant to them. Let’s all do it and shame them.
So true, like all bodies like this when things are going great we go along happily. When you are needed to represent all businesses and make a stand you are pathetic. If there was a yearly amount I had to pay to keep in thus confederation, I would be cancelling this right now.
Thanks for posting that. It gives me great hope. We need to do this in England.
great to see people having a good night out with food and friends!!
Go Italy!!!!
What exactly is the basis of the local council’s threatened action?
I’m not a lawyer but can’t see how you have any responsibility for where your customers consume items bought on your premises for takeaway.
I don’t see how an assumption of ‘encouraging’ has any basis in law, its like they are reading the guidance and in their heads that’s law. You’d best ask for everything in writing from them any time they accuse you of something.
I had them call my shop during first lockdown and accuse me of being open. There evidence was I answered the phone! They made many silent calls from mobile numbers. I have an IP phone which forwards to my mobile . I told her (I was incandescent by this point) I was at home and there are modern telecoms that permit such things. I properly informed her that everything is on CCTV and anyone making accusations better have some proper evidence as I had all the evidence I need. She asked my if I could forward her the video by email! When I told her it was several hundred gigabytes, she didnt really seem to understand that email is not the way to do this. I asked her who had informed on us, it seems it might have been the physio around the corner(who was permitted to open they offer the same treatments as us but there are NHS affiliated), I think our business has significantly impacted hers, but she never said who but said it was a nearby competitor.
The EHO girl was rude, arrogant and full of herself. I gave it all back to her in the same manner as she approached me.
If they come again, film it with audio and make sure they write to you confirming their side and you do the same to them.
Dont put up with their shit.
Keep doing what you are doing, if you are in any breach of routine restaurant stuff be careful, but if its just covid shit tell them to fuck off. Record it so you can show it is bs from jobsworths. They wont be happy if you record it and hopefully they’ll see you are not taking it and then fuck right off.
Keep the faith KH you are doing a great job.
I have been walking into town (permitted exercise), buying a coffee and bun, then sitting on benches in the cathedral gounds (permitted open space) then continuing the walk.. So have many others. There were about 12 large benches. This week, they all been been removed by cathedral jobsworths. Everyone I spoke to caught out by the removal regarded it as a totally pathetic action.
Disgraceful! Thinking of disabled, infirm, pregnant, etc, is that discriminatory?
Should we all contact Wetherspoons and ask them to lead the charge in the UK?
Good idea. I’m making another pot of coffee then I’ll contact everyone i can on twitter.
Anyone who has an alcohol license would lose it so not worth it.
This one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm8_RvQdBIs
Westminster is probably hoping that our hospitality industry – bankrupt, beaten and cowed would not fight back.
I wouldn’t bet on that if I were them.
Bullied, beaten and cowed people will break at some point and when they do they will realise they have nothing to lose by fighting back.
Go Italy! Let rebellion commence.
“The virus of non-compliance…”
I like that! The Italian restaurant movement is the most encouraging news I’ve seen recently…
The whole lockdown etc is just one big bluff. All it needs to blow the pack of cardsd away if for people to get together and say enough is enough.
We don’t kill grannies, vaccines do.
Absolutely, just reopen everything and break the lockdown with force of numbers. That looks like what is starting to happen on the continent. If everyone did it there is nothing the government can do.
We know that even Prof Pantsdown was taken aback by the craven compliance that characterised the first lockdown. They knew then, and they know now, that if there is mass resistance there will be nothing they can do about it. Hence the current reliance on the Mutant Terror Virus(es). Gotta keep the zombies scared.
Really guys?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/15/deputy-chief-medical-officer-predicts-regular-vaccines-brits-choosing-mask-forever/
I do think there are a lot of people who are now wedded to the idea of wearing a mask and will not feel safe without one. But I also notice that many, men especially are very conscious that masks are a bit effete and not macho and if one person takes their mask off they all will. If we ever get to that stage it will be interesting to see how it goes.
I have a nasty feeling that churchgoers, for a start, will be welded, rather than wedded, to their masks, meaning that I shall never be able to go to church ever again.
And how many zombies have been so imbued with the idea that Other People Are Death that they will never again attend any sort of collective event?
Two headlines in todays Local Live
1. Covid cases reducing in all areas of the Region
2. Cathedral closes its doors to worshippers.
Most clergy are essentially civil servants – genuine religious believers are more likely to think even a more deadly virus than Covid is nothing as compared to eternity.
Cowardice is generally accounted a sin, even if they attempt to dress it up as concern not to spread the virus to others.
Things are not always as they seem.
A friend told me he was frustrated at the platitudes being repeatedly voiced at his church prayer meeting. He decided to read out a poem which told about the suffering caused by lockdown. Some people were in tears.
The vicar subsequently contacted him to thank him, but he also explained that his son had made two recent suicide attempts.
Sometimes the vicar is the loneliest man in the parish.
Very sorry to hear about that vicar and his son. That’s the sort of incident that makes me angry.
The CoE hierarchy has betrayed its flock and surely those on the ground (vicars, vergers) know this.
If they do they should fight back. If they don’t then they’re complicit in this betrayal.
Our vicar remarked last week it saddened her not to see her congregation’s faces. She is fine with me and another lady having exemptions.
You would have thought that if their god wanted them to wear masks, it would have been mandated in their religious book.
Fig leaves represent covering over a sense of self-lack conflict and shame. God can be represented to those who don’t think in such terms as nakedness to an intimacy of being. Nothing added, nothing taken away. But to a masking mind God is distanced, locked down and masked.
There is no truth in the masking mind of fig-leaf thinking – but what we choose to give.
The adage of ‘Give unto Caesar what is due unto Caesar and give unto God what is due unto God’ is applicable to a fundamental choice that did not exist until the choice for masking or hiding from God, remade all things in our own image.
What is not apparent in mythic representation is the terror that arose from self-hatred and shame. If God mandated coercively, there would be no free will. Hence under a false god of tyranny under fear and deceit free will is denied and replaced by ‘granted freedoms’ for compliance to arbitrary and shifting ‘rules’ or ‘moral guidances’.
Fear inherently misinterprets everything, including Scriptures of true teachings, insights and inspired thought and endeavour. Fear cannot be separated from self-doubt and division. The attempt to become certain by acting as if to earn or become worthy propagates the original error of self-judgement given priority over God as your very being. Here is the ‘private mind’. Who can reach the minds of the self-convicted?
The idea of the Holy Spirit is of a gift of discernment within Life and not set over and apart as ‘my thinking’ under official authoritative judgements or identity set in reaction to any externalised authority.
Choosing one is to let the other go. Trying to choose both results in conflicts that effectively deny awareness of any real choice. Resting and releasing the mind of conflict is actively giving faith to Life or being instead of to our own fears and thinking. Making the conditions in which love can register in our awareness is not ‘creating love’ nor the guidance and direction as to how the movement of being extends, expresses or simply shines as a quality of unselfconscious presence.
A mechanical mind sees a mechanical world – and thinks that to understand is to align in prediction and control. But what you truly understand you love and appreciate the gift of (being one with).
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/mutating-variants-in-fear-of-threat.html
Masking in virtue is a theme for self-awareness.
The faking of love in love’s name has run its course.
Jesus speaks to our condition – not to the ‘mask’ of a self and world seeking to save itself from fear.
Though is seems to be a Satanic or blind persecution, it – as with Job or Jesus – serves a higher purpose unknowing.
Instead of ‘zombies’ try, the poor who are dispossessed even by the little they have.
I am sorry masks will come off the moment they retreat and those left will be slagged rotten. They are a fucking joke and people will be reminded as much if the government boot is ever relinuished.
I agree. The moment they loosen up, most people will stop wearing those things.
And those who carry on wearing them will be ridiculed and taken the piss of.
I take the piss out of people wearing them anyway. They look utterly stupid, especially in the cold rainy weather!
Especially those men wearing muzzles with “ditsy” and “cute” fabrics. They look like a maroon.
Not everyone objects to muzzles
Apologies for ridiculous url.
I think it won’t be long before people realise that mask-wearing is actually doing potential damage to their health. Many are being told by their doctors to not wear them because they’ve caused bacterial infections, thrush, skin and dental problems, not to mention aggravating conditions like Asthma and COPD. I see people in filthy, wet face naps, in the pouring rain, breathing in constantly all the mould spores, bacteria, pollution and also, the minute particles from their mask fabric. Nearly all the mask wearers I know have been getting colds (and sending off or going for tests, and surprise, surprise, testing positive!)
Totally agree, those masks are dangerous.
Masks are perfectly harmless
except when they are not.
The camera doesn’t lie
You are being disingenuous here. Medics wear masks that are much more tightly fitted and for longer durations than someone just doing their shopping. These sorts of injuries are to be expected but they are not injuries that you will see amongst non-medics.
One should not discount that this is absolutely intentional. Mandatory masks to ruin the health of those wearing it. My problem here is that there are no exemptions here. Just like there are no disabled people. As a foreigner, I am treated with contempt in the first place. The largest supermarket has armed guards enforcing masks at the entrance. Observing elderly people wearing their face diapers at 30°C while riding their bike is an image to endure.
Many may well choose to continue to wear a mask, and that is their choice. But any who try to moralise to the rest of us, will need regular reminders that slaves can only speak to the free after being granted permission.
Anyone who still tries to lecture me after this shit show is over will feel the force of my tongue or heaven forbid my fist.
I think once this is over the country will just go into a covid mass denial just like in post war Germany over the Nazis.
This has gone on long enough and it’s just getting more and more absurd.
It is also getting more nasty. It has now gone on so long and many have invested so much of their credibility in this hoo-haa that they now have too much to loose to give up now and so they are doing all they can to keep the show on the road.
The news this morning was wittering on about hospital ICU units being full of young people in their 30s and 40s seriously ill with covid and fighting for their lives. No mention of numbers, details, data, just yet more anecdotal stuff to keep the scare stories moving along.
Yes, it’s nastier. But the essential dynamic of the regime digging deeper in its hole in the hope of getting to Australia, saving face at all costs, has not changed in nine months. It’s quite boring, and I don’t see the force that will move it on.
I wonder how many of those young people are in ICUs with stuff like bronchial pneumonia through non stop mask wearing?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9153427/Boy-12-took-life-bedroom-hours-telling-mother-loved-her.html#article-9153427
People who support these measures, should be shown stories if the victims like this poor boy, who’ve been murdered, by this tyranny
Yesterday Jeremy Vine was worrying about a reported significant decline in the population of London which is apparently a bit of a mystery.
Al Jazeera has the answer.
So on top of the millions now on the dole we can add another million people who have lost their jobs and returned home abroad.
Some may think this a good thing, I do not since I recall a Sidmouth hotel manager telling me twenty years ago that the hospitality industry would be f*cked without foreign workers.
What hospitality industry?
A possible by-product of Brexit?
Interesting the Unherd article, apart from the nonsense about wearing face muzzles of course.
Clearly this information hasn’t reached Billy Whitty, who I believe was back to warning of the danger of collecting the CCP Virus off surfaces last night. It was Billy’s lies in his attempts to prolong the misery and damage of the first lockdown that made me a sceptic.
In my office persuading the staff this surface spread was bogus and regular getting windows open was far more important took a bit of work but seemed obvious. The clear failings of people trained in the NHS to see and promote this must be one of the main reasons the UK CCP Virus performance is so dire and spread in NHS settings is so rife.
Does everybody there slavishly follow the words of Billy Whitty, if so we are doomed, even to the layman the guy is full of deception.
What I would like to see is more emphasis on how little the risk is of virus contagion outside, even possibly in crowds (BLM protests). I feel maybe such study would show the folly of Billy’s stay indoors message.
That we haven’t a single senior politician who has the intellectual confidence to challenge Billy and his boys and girls, leaves us in a bad state. Billy Whitty needs sacking but Bunter seems powerless to do it.
You must open your windows to let in the life-saving fresh air, but you mustn’t go outside because it’s dangerous.
I saw some weird posts on Twitter, one claiming they caught covid on a woodland walk, another during a 45-minute chat in a field 6 foot apart on a windy day! Personally, I trust fresh air for keeping bugs at bay as my parents were told that when I was a sickly child. I believe good ventilation in shops and hospitals and workplaces would do way more good than the current measures.
Amazing, you have been indoors all day and you can identify the exact moment you caught it. Does it come up on your fitbit as you were outside? Jesus people are fucking stupid just to get a few clicks on twitter!
“Regularly getting the windows open” would be a problem to a lot of us. I know I’ve missed out on quite a lot of social events I would have otherwise attended since Lockdown first started – because I was worried that some rule-abider/fearful would open the windows even if it was too cold to do so. Hence I’d land up being cold because of that person – so I avoided going altogether because “there’s always one…..” and I would have certainly fallen out with them because of them not caring about me freezing. That “one” has been responsible for a lot of my missing social life (and I live on my own…so I need it).
I don’t follow your logic here, or is this satirical?
Do you have Reynaud’s syndrome?
If not, is there a good reason why you can’t just take an extra layer, just in case? I think it unreasonable to blame the fresh-air freaks for your potential discomfort.
Rather precious!
The UK seems to mixed their traditional “mustn’t grumble” stoicism (what can you do? Just accept all this) with abject terror and self interest (no matter how small the risk or the cost to lives, nobody is coming near me).
Hard to see an Italian style collective pushback or French style mass protest here. Even the US are more motivated in terms of civil liberties than the UK.
I think we will be locking down, banning family visits and crippling the economy, in masks, long after the rest of the world has called it quits.
Are the mask wearers out for a walk in the countryside showing super scientific recognition that the virus is spread on the air and can travel for miles?
If this is the case, how come they haven’t done the maths and worked out that their mask is about as much as a deterrant to a virus as chicken wire to a mosquito?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/pdf/jhyg00082-0026.pdf
An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation
17 weeks of isolation and processed food would make the most robust immune system wobble. The bugs are always there, it’s just whether you’re fit enough to deal with them, or not.
The pain is working its way up. It’ll get there.
Just hard to predict when, but it’ll get there.
The lockdown restrictions specifically do not apply to the sky or the UK’s territorial waters. So if one has one’s own boat or plane, one can ignore all the restrictions.
If it is any consolation, I share your despise of the sanctimonious, self-righteous lockdown freaks who lecture about people not following the rules and calling for everyone to just comply so “we can get past this”.
They are so spectacularly up their own well covered arses they don’t for minute consider the possibility that the virus is unsuppressable.
They are mental midgets who think that the solution to the problem is obedience.
Worse are the ones that berate the public, yet believe the rules don’t apply to them, Piers Morgan, Dr Shilary to name but 2.
Agree. And when this is over, they will try to gloss over their complicity in this shit show and try to pretend nothing happened. Like school bullies who try to reach out on anti-social media or during school reunions.
It will be our scared duty to remind them forever of their part in this. They should never be allowed to get away in their part of inflicting misery on other people in the name of “safety”
Watch mass deleting of pro lockdown and mask passages on social media followed by mass denial.
We all have to make sure that we keep calling out those who think they are in positions of power etc every time we spot hypocrisy on their part. It’s not one rule for them and another for us.
The well cushioned will follow suit at some point. There’s no way they can escape the looming economic Armageddon.
And there’s also the wake up call when they or hubby/wifey get sick like with cancer, they’re put back at number 800,000 in the queue and their beloved NHS won’t see to them until 2023!
I think economic factors will soon kick them out of their slumber.
I think its because there is nowhere where I can join the cause to show my disagreement. In brexit you had two sides with clearly defined views. Marches were arranged, t-shirts sold, views expressed and debated in the msm. But what do we have. None of my friends/family believe this government bullshit. I only know of one couple who are believers. BUT! I don’t see any debate. The rallying points have all been shut down, there is only one point of view expressed on msm. Doctors and nurses are silenced. The news can say hospital full of young people and nobody can challenge this. Covid Karen’s rule the put your fucking mask on debate. There are no two opinion debates on the bbc or gmb only finger wagging lectures on following the government narrative. You cannot push back against the tide, you can build a wall to stop the tide but you cannot do this alone. If it wasn’t for this site allowing me to air my views I don’t know where I would be. So thanks to all of you for helping me stay sane. I wrote a song about depression called the Dark a few years ago, the last verse is:
“Only one way out this plight,
To take a leap of faith tonight,
The wind is roaring past my ears,
I know the pain will end my tears”
The Rapists Dad and Sadist in Chief of Wales has introduced new shopping laws
The old and sick will now be required to stand in lines outside shops for hours on end before they can collect their rations
Good thing it’s not January
The numbers for respiratory illness must be kept up at all costs if the May elections are to be cancelled
Go Switzerland! Vote down this lockdown nonsense!
i am interviewing for a job there this week. If I get it, I ain’t never coming back to this shit show.
Is it a fair election though if one side of the argument has been free access to use psyops on the electorate for the past year? Maybe hasn’t happened in Switzerland but I know it has in some countries.
lucky you. anyone who has any chance to get out should definitely take it. trouble is, there aren’t that many places to go
+1
What’s the job if you don’t mind me asking? I’m already looking for any avenues out of here.
Good luck with the job interview!!!
Good luck. Hope it goes G R E A T!
What I read from the latest news conference last night is that they know the public is not with them this time. Compare demand for school places in April then now, traffic, shops deeming themselves “essential”, just general footfall in parks etc. The MSM is full everyday of abuses by the police and overreach. No clapping for the NHS, no heartwarming stories of taking up hobbies and “all in it together”. Even Joe Wicks has started farting on screen during his feel good chinese state style daily exercises.
Point is, no matter how exasperated we feel, we must recognise the difference this time around. And like a teacher with no power over an increasingly rowdy class, Boris has seen everyone getting out of their chairs and grandly declared “ok kids, I’ve decided that you can get out of your chairs now, so up you get.”
I agree. Regimes becoming more abusive, draconian and unreasonable are a sign of revolt, not of compliance.
Yes, and the unrest will only grow stronger as we move into spring, better weather, the over 70s jabbed, and still people are not allowed to see grandma or go to the pub. However, I fear that what will become a deafening plea to open up will be ignored, barring some minor concessions. Tier 2 all year for most of us from April onwards.
You’re right, though. Many people I know at work who have been ultra-compliant or unquestioning are reaching the limits of endurance. For all that Johnson has erred in so many ways, I do sense that even though SAGE (plus Hancock and Gove) will have been begging him to go further (curfews, outdoor masking and cutting the “rule of two” for exercise would have been the obvious things) he recognises that going further is going to cut no ice with the weary public.
I have a feeling this will all break down in the next month or two. For example, now there is a £7000 quid fine for enforcing mask wearing on those who deem themselves exempt. It may not be a case in law, but it can quickly become one in the public conscious.
This sets the flood gates for compensation claims for other things such as PCR testing and mask wearing ailments.
I feel sorry for medical staff in that wearing a mask in a hospital can be seen to be within the bounds of infection control. Even though I disagree with its efficacy and think its virtue signalling by management. In shops and other places though, it’s plain daft.
https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000
Good, the coming lawsuits are going to cripple the government.
Agree. The fact that supermarkets after being challenged by fellow sceptics here and those of Twitter have been backpedalling shows they haven’t got a leg to stand on and have been thrown under the bus by the government.
As that Disability Rights press release has stated “no mask no entry” is akin to displaying a sign saying “no blacks” or “no gays.” Imagine the outcry if that was the case.
From our local paper (happened even before Morrisons tightened their rules):
https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/19011694.morrisons-bracknell-disabled-man-exempt-wearing-face-mask-kicked-store/
“However the guard reportedly dismissed this and said the gov.uk website was ‘fake news’.”
Article fairly neutral but the solitary comment shows the mentality of the herd.
The cracks are becoming bigger and people are getting fed up.
Whilst I was lucky to have survived hanging on to my job, I realise that others are not so fortunate and the longer this goes on, we’ll hear more about job losses and bankruptcies. Of course keeping my job is a Pyrrhic victory as we’re still shut, the best way is to open up without restrictions but my workplace can’t afford to break ranks.
The likes of Mexico, Italy, Poland and now Switzerland are showing what happens when the public has had enough. As I said here on New Year’s Day, things are going to get ugly and will get even uglier as the weeks go by. I do foresee either mass civil disobedience or rioting at some point.
Congrats on retaining your job. You mentioned before that your colleagues were all for the lockdowns etc – do you know if this opinion/mood has changed now that reality has hit some and will be redundant?
On Toby’s spat with Ipso: saying that the science changes every day on viruses is horseshit. It changes extremely slowly. What you are seeing are hypotheses being thrown out and the media latching onto these. No random controlled tests, or even good empirical studies.. Just models and correlations, what-ifs and the Precautionary Principle.
Toby was correct about T-cell immunity as this has been basic understanding for decades at least. He’s still correct today. They are the ones who have to provide evidence for their claims not the other way round.
What we are seeing is reporting and measurement being fiddled to suit an agenda. The dumb thing is that it’s obvious to anyone who cares to look. And it’s glaring obvious that any of these stupid measures have any effect whatsoever in the grand scheme of things.
Another thing is the section about liabilty is spot on. Everytime you brake in a car it has the potential to cause an accident somewhere in the traffic chain. Do we make people liable for this now?
Also saying A can transfer asymptomatically is again horseshit. This has never been the case nor has it been what the models use either. This is like the second hand smoke argument.
I really don’t get it: so Toby Young got some science wrong, well so what? he’s not a scientist, if people choose to take him as an authority on science that’s their problem. In the free market place of ideas, anyone should be able to pontificate on whatever subject they choose, and the principle of ‘caveat emptor’ should govern who you choose to listen to. It seems like just an excuse to censor and censure any resistance to the relentless propaganda which is holding up this monumental hoax
I agree fully with @mhcp’s first sentence. I still fail to see what science Toby did get wrong. Toby put forward the longstanding scientific arguments about the characteristics of (all) viruses which were accepted by most mainstream scientists in that field, within the parameters of normal scientific research and debate.
It is the scientists leading the recent change of interpretation of viral ‘behaviour’ with regard to SARS CoV2, and who are thereby challenging mainstream science, who should be regarded as being outside the box and asked to explain the radical scientific interpretations that they are applying.
Technically, the herd immunity threshold is reached when, if the population had zero infections and a small number of infections were introduced, zero infections is a stable equilibrium. By definition, at the peak of the epidemic curve, the effective reproduction number passed through 1.0, implying that the number of infections was shrinking. One could argue that it is possible that the herd immunity threshold was reached at the peak of the epidemic curve, but was not sufficient to prevent COVID-19 from transitioning into an endemic seasonal virus.
The Chinese are just trolling us with their hazmat suited students.
They’ve set it up and released the footage to see if the crazy Europeans and Americans will copy this stunt too.
Expect Chinese companies offering mass production of hazmat suits for schools…
And the way the general population are acting, in a state of fevered panic, they might just go for it.
Anything is possible at this point.
My local fish and chip shop will be only too willing to dtich the “No mask ? No food” for “No hazmat suit? No Food”.
The nearby sandwich shop will have a sanctimonious poster with “Why I wear a hazmat suit”,
Both on the boycott forever list.
Yep, all the nonsense originates from the CCP …
EYEWITNESS REPORT – NURSE EXPLAINS THE CORRUPTION TAKING PLACE IN HER HOSPITAL
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CcFNETlslAyW/
‘As logically it must: pile enough men over the top and in the end numbers win.’
That was the German method and their offensive of 1918 very nearly succeeded.
But they were held and then, at the Battle of Amiens, the new wonder weapon, the Tank, finally deployed, as it should always have been, ‘en masse’, achieved a significant breakthrough on a narrow front at a propitious area of weakness (perfected during the Second World War as ‘Blitzkrieg’ by the German Army, all arms battlegroups combined with close air support, Divisional Commanders well forward).
And the rest is history. The Tank was one of Churchill’s most brilliant interventions, created, as it was, by Admiralty funding signed off by Churchill as First Lord of the Admiralty.
The mass procurement of vaccines could be construed as the present Prime Minister’s ‘Tank’ moment but Churchill’s First World War record is better remembered for Gallipoli, the disaster of the Dardanelles. The thousands of care home deaths April/May 2020 should most certainly cast a similar pall on the reputations of the key government protagonists when the history books are written.
Nah, the vaccines are going to be a gigantic bust as far as stopping PCR detected infections. (Fantastic for the big pharma as corona vaccines are set to become a second seasonal flu jab).
The WWI analogies are spot on as far as the madness of the strategists goes. But that’s as far as the analogy will hold, I think. There are no closely matched rivals here. Every country is Germany on this one and will eventually drop from economic, mental and moral exhaustion.
Impossible to predict when though. Could be a while.
The Germans were exhausted, no question:
‘Many were Wurtembergers, and these for the most part appeared to be quite fit and sturdy, but if you looked at them closely you could see the effects of long, systematic underfeeding.’
But they still had to be beaten on the ground, so nearly having struck the victorious final blow themselves in their well planned offensive of 21 March 1918.
And beaten in battle they were, by the Tank:
‘When the horsemen and their rivals in armour swept across the Santerre plateau, driving terror-stricken Germans in front of them, they did the most amazing things. The headquarters of the 11th German Corps in huts at Framerville was charged by tanks and the Corps Staff pursued down roads and across fields, one general escaping capture by running like a hare.’
‘The British flag was hoisted on the headquarters of the 11th Corps (commanded by General Kuhne) by noon, and the tanks carried their own flag to victory as well.’
‘Despite the unorganised attempts at destruction, an enormous amount of stores and a large number of guns of all kinds had to be left to us, and the tank crew, who came back looking like sweeps, steadily added to the tale of success.’
(Attributed to Henry Nevinson)
Lockdown 3 has previously been compared to the Third Battle of Ypres here, more insanity with the same result.
Johnson clearly wants to be compared to Churchillwhich is why he likens fighting Covid to a world war. Apart from the damage wrought by lockdown it is nothing of the kind.
Churchill is wrongly traduced over Gallipoli, he envisaged a Naval assault only; the War Office turned it into a landing then gave Churchill a second rate fleet and a Flag Admiral who had a nervous breakdown the day before action commenced.
But it was undoubtedly his strategy and, as the Second World War demonstrated again, this time in Greece, quite probably not one ever likely to succeed; many bridges to far…..
Once he had Alanbrooke at his side, the idea of drawing the German Army into the quagmire of Italy took hold, with results for all to see, despite the brilliance of that talented airman turned General, Kesselring….
Having read Churchill’s defence of the Gallipoli strategy, I’m not convinced it was a bad idea. But it was not pursued properly at the start (not Churchill’s fault), which led to the subsequent failure as the defences had been prepared. Surely an attempt to outflank the enemy, which was almost certainly going to be far less costly than yet another offensive on the Western Front, was worth a try.
I’m tempted to draw comparisons with the Great Barrington Declaration, but the parallels can’t be pushed too far – that concept remains valid.
Churchill was fearless of responsibility – yet another characteristic Johnson lacks compared with his hero.
It was certainly a bold strategy. Could Britain have maintained and supported an army in the field of sufficient size to cause the collapse of Turkey? Probably not:
‘The effectiveness of the Turkish coastal defences and minefields should have come as no surprise, to the British at least.
Robert O’Neill, one of Australia’s most respected historians, notes that the British built a significant part of the Turkish defences that destroyed several massive allied warships.’
‘…there’s a risk of overlooking the very effective and courageous resistance of the Turkish army. They were very capable. They had many tricks up their sleeves that the Australians had to learn and they were experienced and hardened soldiers” – more so than most of the Australians. “They had very experienced officers who knew how to command in combat.’
‘“How strange it is that Winston Churchill, a voracious student of military history, thought that a force of some 60,000 men, backed by the Royal Navy, would rapidly induce a Turkish collapse leading to the seizure and occupation of Constantinople,” O’Neill says. “He saw the Ottoman Empire as moribund. Unfortunately the Ottoman Empire in 1914 had plenty of fight left in it.”
But I do agree that, had the plan been better executed, it might have achieved some spectacular gains, as bold plans, carried out with elan, often do:
‘Historian Peter Stanley holds a different view of the Allied chances of victory. He argues that if the Anzacs had been able to advance further in the first days after the landing and capture a much bigger beachhead, then they might have been able to land the Australian Light Horse. These mounted infantry could have ranged over the more open ground behind the rough terrain of Anzac Cove and attacked the Turkish supply lines. The outcome then could have been different, Stanley believes.’
http://thegreatwar.theaustralian.com.au/could_we_have_won_at_gallipoli/#:~:text=The%20Turks%20concluded%20that%20the,cut%20the%20peninsula%20in%20half.&text=Historian%20Peter%20Stanley%20holds%20a,the%20Allied%20chances%20of%20victory.
Interesting view – although I guess this one will always be mired in counterfactuals.
But surely any alternative to sending 18-yr-olds against barbed wire and machine guns was worth a go, as Churchill argues.
Churchill worshipped the Blenheim campaign. But had that not happened, or Marlborough had been forced to call it off early on, what chances would later historians given for its hypothetical success? Pretty close to zero I am sure, and yet it worked.
Indeed….and most of his Generals tried to dissuade the German leader from an assault through the Ardennes but it worked……the first time……..
Blenheim needed Marlborough and the Ardennes attack needed Manstein, Rommel and the rest, just as the successful British withdrawal to Dunkirk needed a stellar cast of Alanbrooke, Alexander and Monty…..
Undoubtedly, to have any success, Gallipoli would have required a General of calibre…..maybe a cavalryman like Allenby could have done something……..or maybe Churchill needed an Alanbrooke in the Admiralty at the time. He had Fisher but they were too close.
In one of his books Churchill remarked that in war al repetitions are dangerous – with the implication that a one-off audacious move stood to gain a great deal, and was usually worth a go – that seems to be his guiding principle.
But as a war this is entirely one-sided. The rona isn’t fighting. Nor is she taking any hits.
The Western world has boiled its own head, without any impact on Rona.
It is a bit of a ‘Don Quixote’ moment, isn’t it.
Every single national political leader in the developed world will be regarded by history as a capering clown…..
Forthcoming elections, and they will be forthcoming, everywhere will be interesting.
If Trump, with the biggest Republican voter turn out in history, could not survive then I doubt many other incumbents will manage it.
… such is the absurdity of typical seventeenth-century witchcraft cases it is tempting to condemn the perpetrators and witnesses out of hand. But we must judge them against the prevailing standards of their own time. The many parallels with our own age should break any complacency we may hold about our own better natures. The days of the judicial or mob murder of old women (and less commonly men) for witchcraft have, in Western societies at least, passed. But mankind’s penchant for the persecution of his fellow man lives on. Witch hunts – ancient or modern, and whether aimed at ‘witches’ or other minorities or individuals – draw life from characteristics latent and enduring in the human psyche: a need to blame another for one’s own misfortunes or fears; the herd instinct, and a willingness to disdain or fear individuals who lie outside the herd – that is classical group-think; a need to indulge self-righteousness, and the inherent moral superiority it gives over lesser beings; that same self-righteousness in the persecutor that allows of no self-doubts and no admission of his own fallibility; a willingness to accuse and then to condemn without reasonable evidence or even logic; the conceit that derives from pseudo-intellectualism. We shall see all these traits in the Bideford witchcraft scare. They can all be seen in almost any society today.
… [continued in conclusion] …
Charles Mackay, the nineteenth-century writer and poet, in an observation all the more withering for being so true, famously remarked: ‘Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.’ He might well have added that very many men are incapable of thinking for themselves, that most are afraid to do so, and that the first individuals to recover their senses from crowd-induced delusion are often the objects of derision, censure, and even retribution.
The opening Einstein quote from my forthcoming book is “the mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the one who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices.”
Great quote! What’s your book about?
Title: ‘Dealing with the next pandemic – how Einstein can help’.
Good luck against the censors!
The second bit could just as easily read ‘how any proper scientist can help’, but it isn’t so catchy …
So out of interest I wondered how much my local council had ‘suffered’ since March, how much of our money it was looking save and preparation for the downturn in money it receives and how it had looked around at the services it was no longer providing and cut costs there.
Given it seems to have been rolling out new cycle lanes, an entirely new bin collection ‘regime’ and endless propaganda posters I wasnt hopeful.
After an FOI request I received
Since 26th March 2020.
1. How many employees of LBHF have been or are currently on furlough?
0
2. How many employees of LBHF have been made redundant?
29
3. Which council departments have been affected by staff redundancy or furloughed staff?
Environment 10
Economy 5
Resources 13
Finance 0
Social Care 1
Children’s 0
So it pretty much looks like my council regards this as business as usual/we have an open cheque book!
No librarians furloughed? No bulk waste collection staff furloughed? All the other services that were suspended?
I wonder if this is the same across the country – I suspect it is……
How many people does your council employ in total?
1757 according to their website
And I suspect that most of the redundancies were ‘normal’ ones rather than ‘we cant afford you anymore – sorry’ ones.
I guess the local councils are getting plenty of supplies from the magic money-printing machine.
There’s 2 things my council loves, bossing people around and of course spending their money. This last year they’ve been in their element!
I got asked to comment on a recent council led initiative seeking funding to build up communities and a lot of the criteria was around sustainability of local small businesses. Economy, social impact, environmental impact etc. That sort of thing.
I declined the offer but did respond to say that the council, by approving these lockdowns, have down as much damage as could ever be done to destroy small businesses and the ambition of their owners. Once we agree on that baseline understanding, we can talk.
Following on from the great Northumbrian Nomad, I feel LS editorial policy is completely wrong. I log in with my coffee every morning, the first thing I do but increasingly find a) the government narrative with a “ooh isn’t this bad” comment. This is followed by b) graphs including data about ‘Covid cases’ – there is no such thing as a Covid case because there is no reliable test. Later on, c) every day, I am insulted as I am a Socialist (for the many, not the few) and now we’ve got Toby telling us about his kids “lunch & supper”. I suppose he means ‘dinner’ and ‘tea’ but what would I know?
Socialism destroys everything…….
There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t’ shoebox in t’ middle o’ road
Born at Military Hospital, Catterick Camp, me, aye Yorkshire as F___.
Yes, but socialism is a good idea, shame it has never worked, The North shall Rise again.. apologies to the Fall.
Considering that the UK and the rest of the world have followed the Chinese invention of LD do you think they will follow this advice also?
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/norway-sounds-alarm-over-vaccine-risks-elderly-frail-after-23-deaths
“A Beijing-based immunologist, who requested anonymity, told the Global Times on Friday that the world should suspend the use of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine represented by Pfizer, as this new technology has not proven safety in large-scale use or in preventing any infectious diseases.
Older people, especially those over 80, should not be recommended to receive any COVID-19 vaccine, he said.”
It’s going to be mighty interesting, isn’t it.
The question nobody seems to want to contemplate is: if the vaccines don’t work out, what next?
None of those options look very appealing from Boris Johnson’s perspective.
Spot on.
The vaccine is the only way out for government that does not force them to say that what we did was a mistake. It’s the only way to declare victory.
That’s my fear. The vaccine is too convenient an answer. But years of science has suggested that finding truly effective vaccines against Corona and all respiratory viruses has been super tricky owing to the mutating. Flu vaccines are not that effective either in the face of different variants, I understand. The bland assertions that the vaccines will still work anyway are based on dogma not science.
The control studies then did not include many (or even any) old people, who are affected by this. They are also more vulnerable to side effects of the vaccine and their immune systems are less likely to benefit from it anyway.
In the end this will end up becoming a strategy of forcing the young to get vaccinated so as to protect the old. But the young are so little at risk that they will get zero personal benefit but incur risk from the vaccine. The ethics then start to get highly questionable.
Ultimately, this will be another disaster. I can feel it coming but hope I am wrong.
They have placed all eggs in one basket, vaccines. They have not even been smart enough to have a safety valve at least as in the US with regular updating of suspected side effects. They have relied on censorship or OFSTED rules having none of the tabloids reporting these events in Norway. We have had 50 times more vaccines in Norway and miraculously no side effects? Is this Albania under Enhver Hodha with 120 % uptake of measles vaccine?
They have no control of anything and the house of cards is soon collapsing. They can’t even gag SAGE members. If BJ was trying to have an optimistic message he would surely sack the Deputy Medical Officer quoted of his view having vaccines every 6th months and masks forever.
Great posts – but is the house of cards soon collapsing? The Great British Public seem only to want more restrictions.
If by house of cards you mean their strategy I think you are correct. I hope – and suspect – you are also correct in a wider context. Time will tell.
TheSun and the Express both report the deaths in Norway.
Thanks for reporting this.At least a crack in their black out.
And the Daily Mail
Perhaps that’s the exit.
Vaccines fail, BJ sets all the blame on the scientific mullahs (Vallance, Whitty and VT), sacks them and puts a GBDer in charge.
That would take a spectacular amount of political skill to survive, though. With Labour calling for a zero-covid strategy and the Labour friendly press stiring the country up with daily death count, it would require a fair amount. of skill and courage to go that way.
Not sure where the courage would come from given they didn’t have it when this all kicked off.
I think most British people would pick your second option. Zero Covid is an unachievable fantasy. Love it how GBD continues to quietly offer a solution long after it has been disregarded.
I fear you are right.
The interesting thing is that seems to me the least tenable position politically speaking.
There would be pressure from Labour for zero-covid and there would be pressure within the Conservative party for GBD.
Actually, the most likely is that when PCR infections come down naturally, they will claim victory for the vaccine, kick the can down the road and the panic will kick off again with the next spike in infections. – new variant, vaccine not effective, new round of vaccinations.
Eventually it will all blow up. Just hard to predict when. Could be ages.
Forget about it being a vaccine, it isn’t. Covid19 hasn’t been isolated so there is no vaccine, how can there be? Astra Zeneca is the only vaccine but that is made from a monkey virus, because, yes, they have not isolated the COV19 virus, geddit? Pfizer / Moderna is not a vaccine it is an experimental genetic modifier they have called it a vaccine to fast track it by cutting corners and we are their lab rats.
Indeed. I think they are rapidly approaching the point where the second option becomes unfeasible, certainly if the vaccines fail to stop the case-demic. Unfortunately the first option includes the risk of ministers going to prison, so will never be considered seriously. Authoritarianism is all that remains to protect their incompetent, corrupt arses.
However, there is still the option of winding down PCR and replacing with LFT. Unfortunately, France is torpedoing that idea at the monent and our morons will be forced by the meeja to copy them.
Further in the article. This is important news.They have done autopsies which confirms that the vaccines have contributed to deaths.Norway has one of the best heath system in the world. Iceland,Israel and Swedn has reported reaction in a transparent manner you would expect of a modern health system.What about UK any reports from MHRA like the ones from US CDC? Or is the UK system a third world system?
“Thus far Norway says it has administered doses to up to 33,000 people, including the elderly, but are already finding it “too risky” for the terminally ill and people over 80 that are in frail condition. Given only 33,000 injected so far, the reported death count is already staggering and is causing officials to sound the alarm:
So much for things being “safe” and that a rapid development of a vaccine can work. There aren’t any shortcuts I’m afraid. Because the last time with Swine Flu we had narcolepsy.
The governments are in the thrall of the Theorists. They’ll only change when they feel a real threat.
Are reports of similar cases in the UK being suppressed then I wonder? Taking the Norwegian report at its word, there must be many more here given the number of vaccines done already.
As our numbers have sky-rocketed since the vaccine came in, I’d describe it as ineffective at best. At worst, the cause. But I am a mere non-scientist. What do I know?
In my limited understanding of it, treatments are developed by medical teams, with boots on the ground. The success or failure of these are then communicated to the wider medical science community. Big pharma aren’t very keen on this and would rather dictate to the professionals, which treatments or vaccines should be used.
This has been debated for years with little widespread concern and here we are now, in the biggest cluster fuck of all time.
Its Genocide folks! All done in the name of the new god Covid and keeping us safe!
“The devastating human and industry cost of COVID-19”
Yet we who oppose lockdown as a policy are the selfish ones…..
Stop Press: Off Guardian reports on the #IOAPRO (I Am Open) campaign, which is set to see 50,000 Italian restaurant owners defy restrictions and open their restaurants in an act of civil disobedience. The #IOAPRO movement is already spreading into Poland and parts of Switzerland. Come on, England. What are you waiting for?
“Health is about living. A healthy person can achieve a range of potentials, physical and mental. A healthy society is one that enables its people to flourish. Disease is but one obstacle to health, and not necessarily the biggest. Obsession with disease, when it becomes so unbalanced, can be detrimental to public health, damaging whole lives, not just the parts you can measure. Poverty, anxiety, desperation, anger, sleeplessness, depression – all of this can affect our lives just as much or more than a clinical condition.”
”The government is not above the law. Sooner or later it will be held accountable for the dreadful, avoidable damage it has done to so many of us.”
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-and-the-unforgivable-negligence-of-johnson-co/
This gives me hope and reinforces the fact we are not alone.
Any scientist/statistician doing work on collating and assessing deaths caused by lockdown?
The government published some figures in the summer which lead me to ask my wife if the difference between published Death by Covid and Death by Lockdown had really been worth all the restrictions (it was a rhetorical question to her).
I suspect HMG decided not to publish any more on those lines but it maybe some in msm are now raising questions on some of the less desirable products of LD eg. child abuse,domestic abuse,lack of education etc.
I would like a reloable source to produce to LD supporters – the work done countering the government and Ministry of Truth line viz deaths being astronomically high in 2020 has been very helpful but seems to fall on deaf ears. People chose what they want to hear,I suppose but I want to keep on trying to put the sceptic case.
People aren’t interested in facts (unfortunately). As you say, it falls on deaf ears.
They come back with the counterfactual: “If we didn’t have lockdowns many more would have died.”
Impossible to prove, impossible to disprove.
The perfect refuge for someone who has no intention of climbing down.
The excess deaths at home is interesting though. Double the normal amount apparently which suggests people were more scared of over-burdening the NHS than getting treatment.
I would have thought the answer to that is “Prove it.” After all, businesses going down are visible on nearly every high street, people dying from Covid is not (reported on the MSM is not the same thing).
Except Sweden and Florida say otherwise. The real question is what are people actually dying off during a lockdown and are collateral effects being missed
I believe that the University of Bristol have been carrying out a study on this matter. You should be able to find it with a quick google search
Thank you. I’ll try that.
UK Actuaries Institute did calc 45K dead from LDs at one point. OffGuardian as well was assessing the same.
Thank you.
I’ll see what I can find.
Couldn’t see anything on University of Bristol’s research part of it’s website.
A search for NPI’s, might be better than lockdowns.
A well written article, which is easy to understand
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/
Thank you.
Thank you.
Here’s another piece by the Time for Recovery (Lord Sumption et al) group
Excess deaths scandal – why did you ignore our warnings? – Time For Recovery
Thank you.
All I could find of recent vintage is this American link:https://www.aier.org/article/death-by-lockdown/
I see more people are waking up across the world to the fact these restrictions are being utilised for ulterior motives.
Everywhere except Scotland ofcourse, we’re daft.
Yes,I have a friend in Stasiland.
He seems to spend his days in retirement posting video clips and jokes on Whatsapp.
But he’s pretty compliant and not bolshy over things; he doesn’t like NicholaS though – what a surprise.
Yes, a lot of people spend there life sending memes it’s a life well spent full of value and meaning.
I’m glad you agree what a thick bunch we are and yet claim to be freedom fighters you could not make it up. If it weren’t for family ties I would be off. Depending the fall out of this I am considering moving to the North of England.
I see that and at the same time more people becoming aggressively hostile to lockdown skepticism, which is natural as the cognitive dissonance mounts.
When lockdowns, masks, distancing and handwashing have failed miserably the only place left for them to go is lack of compliance. They cling on to New Zealand as a last shred of evidence that lockdowns work.
Which is a fucking nonsense because the ship has sailed to ever become New Zealand and who the fuck wants to lock themself away from the world.
I’m back on Facebook and have joined a few Scottish groups who are against lockdowns. We are not all daft, although in 10 months I’m coming to the conclusion the daftest are the most educated and have the most degrees but then, that could be because lockdown doesn’t affect their bank accounts in a negative way.
There are many clever lawyers out there
Surely there must be a way to get Whitty and Vallance into the witness box and require them to prove the existence of the Covid 19 virus; and the reliability of the PCR test
I doubt if their assertions would survive a decent cross examination by a top QC
If they cannot prove the reliability of the testing the whole narrative falls apart
Perhaps a ‘Trojan Horse’ of a Free Speech Union case against Facebook et al could provide the opportunity
Equally a simple challenged Fixed Penalty fine case could be used. Demand the State comes to court and proves the existence of covid and the reliability of their testing
The problem is you would need one honest law abiding incorruptible barrister.
I rest my case.
In Norway there have been twenty-three vaccine related deaths. The country has vaccinated twenty-five thousand people. In the United Kingdom more than two and half million people have been vaccinated and there have been no vaccine related deaths. So, in Norway the risk of dying following injection with the vaccine is almost one in a thousand, whilst the risk in the United Kingdom is zero.
What is wrong with these facts?
All deaths here are covvideaths..
So many people sadlidied
quite – can’t just die these days
You can in theory but not from covvie. Covvideaths are sadlideaths.
Just as we could have predicted!
deaths here recorded as something else ? immunisations not mentioned on death cert / no report sent to MHRA etc etc
No autopsies?
Very fair implied point, but isn’t it the Pfeizer jab that’s the problem in Norway? Do we know the proportion in the UK who have had that jab?
Doubtless the other jabs have their own long-term little gifts embedded within them.
According to Pfizer, the United Kingdom has already been supplied with million of does of the vaccine, and this was the first one to be offered to the public.
About 1m, it was 600,000 just before Christmas.
Thanks – so 1 in 1000 equates to 1000 deaths.
Have you considered that vaccine related deaths in the UK are being hushed up?
Germany and Switzerland are also investigating vaccine related deaths. And those are the only 2 countries I have news of, I am sure it happens elsewhere too.
Yes.
Couple of 77thers brigaded the chat last night.
They are absolutely useless at debating. They just throw out straw man arguments and ad hominen attacks. Their argument to appeal to feelings has no bearing here in the context of rational factual debate their position is found seriously wanting. A spineless bunch of traitors with nothing of substance to add.
Were they actually 77th? I’ve never associated the British Armed Forces with cowardice, but from what I saw of their comments last evening they struck me as cowards at heart.
People will obey orders. History has taught us this lesson time and time again. We appeal to authority for various reasons.
What were their usernames?
BMWman and another guy I was arguing with as you can see from the trail. Can’t remember the name.
Professional trolls like them are not here to convince anyone of anything. They are here to distract and waste time.
They just prove their argument is tenuous
Just keyboard warriors, wound up by the government accusing us of having blood on our hands. Expect more of this… The real 77th will be far more subtle, just sowing that seed of doubt…
Yes, I would have thought so – certainly hope so, as you wouldn’t expect the real 77th to be entirely incompetent.
Does the 77th brigade actually exist or is it an “urban myth” . I never heard of it before encountering this website. If it does exist for the purposes of detecting insurrection and subversion before it erupts into incidents like the Manchester Arena bombing (not a feather in their caps) then they are incredibly incompetent and the Brigardier should be demoted.
The reason being that the comments on this site alone give eidence of such disgust , anger and sheer frustrated hatred of the Gang of Four running and ruining the country that Downing St should be receiving regular reports of that anger. But all the evidence from the press conferences is that Downing st has no idea at all of the pressure building up , only when Boris is dangling from a gantry alongside his mistress like Mussolini , will he come to his senses, but by then he may have no senses at all.
https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/formations-divisions-brigades/6th-united-kingdom-division/77-brigade/
Tobias Elwood MP is a reservist in the 77th Brigade – Lieutenant Colonel rank.
Yes they do exist, I meat a few of them in Afghanistan and some even tagged along missions with us.There their main mission there was psyops and heart and minds stuff.Some were nice blokes and women but their brass were mostly public school Oxbridge types.
Is this why vaccine roll out is being done slowly? – In order to provide the natural cover that the changing of the seasons would bring in reduced figures?
Perfect timing
You’re going down the same rabbit hole as me.
I made a complaint to the BBC about the article regarding Toby’s Teegraph article. At the end they give the usual daily deaths figure as if they all died in one day. Such hypocrisy. I complained about the lack of context given with this figure, considering it appears in an article criticising another journalist’s accuracy.
How can 1500 die of CV in one day when on average during Jan 2500 might die from flu etc in previous years. Did 4000 die yesterday? No. So maybe the Fake News can inform us where are all the non CV deaths this year? Or did they just disappear?
Can you please supply a stat, source for the 2,500 daily flu deaths?
Had a look at a pack of face nappies, the usual pale blue plasticky ones. Claimed to offer ‘better protection’, but didn’t say better than what, to whom, or from what. Distributed via the Netherlands. Made in Hong Kong.
Company based in Wuhan.
link from article above – why diapers don’t work https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/
and of course the Chinese are making money from our miserable fascist existence
who isn’t sick of Chy-na?
Coming soon, from the people who made the masks, an all in one suit you must wear in Aldi.
Report them to the Advertising Standards Authority.
I made a few compalints about the misrepresentaion of facts in the governemnt’s TV and radio adverts.
Even supplied FOIs to back up my complaint that show they adverst were lies.
No action taken.
Don’t stop trying AG.
[Lea la resolución] Sala afirma que la covid-19 fue creada por Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. («nuevo orden mundial») | LP (lpderecho.pe)
Can anyone speak spanish and do the honours of translating? On google translate the heading reads "[Read the resolution] Sala claims that covid-19 was created by Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. ("new world order") This is the high court of Peru apparently.Can anyone speak Spanish and translate the article. The heading reads – [Read the resolution] Sala claims that covid-19 was created by Bill Gates, Soros, Rockefeller, etc. (“new world order”)
this is the high court of Peru apparently.
I speak Spanish.
“Según una de las ideas plasmadas en el auto, la covid-19 sería una invención de las «élites criminales a nivel mundial»”
According to the details within the decree, CV19 is a invention of global criminal elites.
“En la resolución se sostiene que el proceso penal se detuvo a causa de la covid-19, de manera que tenía un carácter «imprevisible», salvo para sus creadores «que lo manejaron y siguen direccionando con un secretismo a ultranza dentro de sus entornos y corporaciones mundiales, con proyecciones al proyecto 2030» [sic]”
The resolution seeks to undertake a legal/criminal process to the origin of CV-19, it’s unpredictable nature, and they manner in which they (global elites) have directed in secret, via their organisations and global corporations, the Agenda 2030 Project.
Does it say anything about the death penalty for Gates’s Cabal?
That may be what he’s got in mind for the likes of us in camps on all that farmland he’s bought.
Aquí el polémico párrafo:
c).- El Acuerdo Plenario 01-2017 en su fundamento 18° señala: “…no se puede aceptar una prolongación de la prisión preventiva si el proceso penal quedó paralizado sin causa de justificación alguna que la legitime…”
Here is the controversial paragraph.
The Plenary Agreement under the 18th Senate states: “the continuation of the lockdown cannot be justified while the criminal/legal process remains paralised without legitimate justification
Basically, it is saying that until they actually investigate the origin of CV-19 and the cabal using it to further Agenda 2030, the Lockdown has no legal justification
Thank you very much. This worthy of sending on to Toby?
Will check some of the Peruvian sites and see if it’s being reported
Thanks
Does anyone know how it went in Italy yesterday when they were opening 50000 restaurants?
Regarding Israel, I have seen differing stories – above the line today suggests the vaccine is making little difference so far, something else I read suggests it is.
If it does turn out to make little difference, then either
1) It is not as effective as claimed
2) The Israel baseline figures for covid related illness and death are as distorted as ours, so while the vaccine may be saving some lives, the overall impact won’t be noticeable among the noise of people dying of other things anyway being misclassified as covid.
(2) seems more likely, and is likely to apply here too, meaning that the govt will need to decide for themselves that this is over, or not, as they wish
Your conclusion is certainly correct. But it has been correct from the start, and the vaccine does not materially change it. A political decision was made to go in to this, and only a more or less arbitrary political decision can end it.
I suspected for some time that the second scenario would be likely. Undoubtedly our fuckwit leaders didn’t consider this (or anything strategic ever), so it will be interesting to see how they try to explain this away. I think they are going to have to manufacture a strain impervious to the vaccine. The lies are going to end up drowning them eventually.
Awake at 4am – again – so I thought I’d set an exam paper for vaccine candidates. I envisage JP sitting in the exam hall with pen in hand.
VACCINATION EXAMINATION
PART 1 – THE PFIZER VACCINE
Q1 Covid19 particularly affects the elderly, so they may benefit most from the vaccine. What percentage of the 36,000 people in the trial were aged 75 or over?
a) Over 50%
b) 20% – 50%
c) 5% – 20%
d) Under 5%
Q2 When are the Pfizer vaccine trials meant to be concluded
a) They have already been completed
b) January 2023
c) The trials have no end date; the trial sample has been widened to 68m people in the UK
Q3 The Pfizer vaccine is stated to be 95% effective
a) Is this a measure of relative risk
b) Is this a measure of absolute risk?
c) Define the distinction between relative risk and absolute risk
NOTE: Failure to answer 3(c) satisfactorily will require you to resit the module “Uses and abuses of statistics”.
Q4 How long is the Pfizer vaccine effective for?
a) 6 months
b) 9 months
c) 342 days
d) Don’t know
NOTE TO MARKERS: c above is thrown in to confuse students by providing spurious accuracy – the answer is, of course, (d)
Q5 The vaccine is intended to be provided in two doses 21 days apart. What is the clinical effect of extending the date of the second dose?
a) Don’t know
b) Don’t know
c) Don’t know
NOTE TO MARKERS – a, b and c are all correct answers.
Q6 If a person contracts Covid19 after being vaccinated, the risk of a poor clinical outcome as a result of vaccine-enhanced disease is:
a) Nil
b) Unknown
Q7 Extrapolating the statistics from the Pfizer trials:
A in a group of 10,000 unvaccinated people, 0.88% would contract Covid19. Using current mortality risk data, how many of these would sadlidie
a) 50
b) 25
c) 2
B in a group of 10,000 vaccinated people, 0.04% would contract Covid 19. Taking into account your answer to Q6 above, how many of these would sadlidie?
a) 4
b) 2
c) 0
Q8 If a vaccinated person dies within 28 days of taking the 2nd dose of the vaccine, will the death certificate record that they died:
a) from the vaccine
b) with the vaccine
c) despite the vaccine
d) there would be no record
Most of the sheeple and Fake News would fail. They get confused by facts and science.
This is brilliant!
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/reports/10-facts-from-the-uk-government-pfizer-vaccine-guidance-that-promote-vaccine-hesitancy/
Thanks for the link bbrs- excellent article.
Excellent. Send it to Bojo
If GP’s don’t get full marks – why not? If they do, why are they offering vaccinations?
A disabled woman assisted by Kester Disability Rights has been paid £7,000 in compensation by a service provider who refused her access to a service because she was unable to wear a face mask.
The pay-out was achieved through negotiation as there was no dispute that access had been denied, or that the Claimant had a disability exemption. The only thing to be agreed was the amount of compensation, not whether it was due or not.
Refusing access to people unable to wear face coverings due to disability is direct discimination – no different to denying access to a black or gay person for example.
Disabled people are now routinely harassed in public for not wearing face coverings – frequently given the impression that confidential medical information must be publicly disclosed to justify exemption. The fact that shops and hospitality businesses routinely display “no mask no entry” signs shows how deeply disablist attitudes are embedded in society. If premises displayed “no blacks” or “no gays” notices there would be outrage.
Fortunately the official Government position does not endorse any of this as nobody exempt from wearing a mask is expected to go around justifying themselves. Saying “I’m exempt” is enough. If the response to that can be proved to be discriminatory then compensation is due.
https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000
Ensuring this is as widely known as possible would give moral support to all those people who are exempt but feel obliged to wear face masks and it would give all those people in charge of organisations increased motivation to recognise exemptions and to ensure their staff do not harass, intimidate or discriminate. In such an atmosphere more and more people would stop wearing face masks, which, in itself, which reduce the level of fear and hysteria, and thus make critical thinking far easier and more likely.
Thanks Steve, I’ll copy your posting if I may for circulating to a wider audience. We need to get this out there.
Would be great to see this in all the MSM papers/websites .
Fantastic – Print of a copy from this link and give to these businesses with signs that state access will be reused if no mask.
LOL This is on the front page – proving that many come to the comments first!
Have saved this as this is a good warning salvo against shops that discriminate and staff that bully and harass customers.
Why is no one asking the obvious question about Israel…are they also helping to vaccinate the Palestinian people? I assume not, which means that 1. Their efforts will be less effective in achieving herd immunity when a large portion of the Arab population have been excluded and 2. They’re obviously going to use this to further quash the human rights and movements of Palestinian people.
I’d have respect for what they were doing if they used some of their military strength and massive aid budget to vaccinate the entire region regardless of whether they consider the inhabitants to be Gods “chosen people” or not.
They hope lots of Palestinians will die.
Israel is a racist and inhuman project, and Corbyn was dragged through the thorn bushes backwards to prevent him and others from stating that which is totally obvious.
And the Arab nations surrounding Israel are what? They are also racists who want to see the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people.
Nope. Egypt, by far the largest, arrived at a peace treaty with Israel as far back as the 1970s, and has collaborated with the Israelis in turning Gaza into the world’s largest open prison. After the “Arab Spring” which removed Mubarak, Morsi made some tentative noises against this, a key reason why he was overthrown and replaced with Sisi, a totally compliant military despot. Sisi is well-funded by the USA.
Other neighbours are too weak to be much of a threat, and the Syrian government narrowly averted overthrow after a prolonged civil war encouraged by many of its own neighbours, so it is no threat to Israel. Arabs by and large do not like Israel but the single-minded desire for the “destruction of Israel and the Jewish people” is simply not there, except in the minds of the type of Zionist (who does exist – examine the writings of a certain Cynthia Ovick, for example) who thinks all non-Jews spend every waking moment trying to destroy Jews.
Absent the current lavish US arming and funding for Israel, the Israelis are potentially vulnerable, But since Zionists have a lock on both major US political parties, this isn’t going to happen. Netanyahu got a hero’s welcome when he visited Congress, although even many Israelis detest him.
If the vaccine is as dodgy as Health Impact Events and various stories (and disturbing videos) from around the world suggest, maybe the Palestinians will be fortunate to miss out on this boon of modern technology.
Could be. Only time will tell.
Some really anti-Semitic comments on here. Israel and the US have ensured that Palestine has the money for vaccination programme. It is for Palestine to decide their own vaccination programme without outside interference. Palestinians living and working in Israel will be vaccinated under the Israeli programme. Let’s hope that the finances given to Palestine will be spent only on the vaccination programme.
I don’t think suggesting this is an “anti-Semitic comment” is fair. I feel you could have asked for clarity on whether the comment is about Jewish people, or the Israeli government before assuming this. If we want to be picky, in my view the final comment in your post is just as guilty of lazy inferences as anything in the post you were criticising.
I am not antisemitic. Some of the best resisters against the corona madness have been the Orthodox Jewish community of New York. I suspect that many of them would share my negative views of the state of Israel. Bring up the term is like being labelled a Covid denier or a conspiracy theorist – it is a term used to shut down discussion.
I’m definitely not being anti-Semitic. I respect everyone’s right to have freedom over their own religious beliefs. As an atheist I am by default neutral towards all religions, and anti them when they are cited in the name of war, violence, femicide, oppression etc.
I am anti Zionism though which is quite a separate thing.
I don’t understand why the complaint against Toby was upheld. Having a cold could confer some immunity – he didn’t claim total sterilising immunity. Has the complainant proven otherwise?
And London was approaching herd immunity, provided you believe in the “R staying below 0 for a stable period” definition, rather than 1 – (1/R0) definition. Again, I feel the complainant should have to prove Gabriela Gomes wrong before this can be upheld.
This is worrying for me. The vast majority of people would take a “Toby must be wrong – because the complaint was upheld” view which doesn’t seem fair here.
There is evidence, some evidence that the R had dropped below 1 before the ( March ) lockdown
Chris Whitty
You left out the end of that sentence
“There is evidence, some evidence that the R had dropped below 1 before the ( March ) lockdown, but that doesn’t fit our narrative to enable more lockdown so we’ve ignored it. Now, look at this graph, it goes up, fast!”
Chris Witty
Darling Chris bought a new protractor from ebay – the angles on this one go up to 90deg!
Here’s the full quote by CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:
“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”
It’s on video as well.
The R number is just a theoretical construct and serves no useful purpose. More useless computer modelling.
I don’t recall seeing any 3.4% fatality rate retractions.
And you never will. They rely on the general public having the attention span of a goldfish.
And it’s a fact. I used to be a teacher and I know.
You must remember the long arm of Deep State. If you were expecting any justice in this country, dream on! Every nook and cranny of this nation is infested with greedy puppets who are in someone’s deep pockets. Depressing view isn’t it, but reality often is.
God, I love Lockdown Sceptics so much. It makes me smile every morning.
One of my daughters wants to be a nurse, and the other teach, I’d hoped they would work for a living…
Get them to try for Rolls Royce apprenticeships in Derby (the best of the best).
ALONG WITH JONATHAN SUMPTION, PETER HITCHENS, NEAL OLIVER AND TALK RADIO, IT’S KEEPS ME SANE.
SIGNED: N BONAPARTE.
Me too it’s my salvation.
“ Last week Young told BBC Newsnight that some of his claims from an article he wrote in June had been “wrong”, where he had said a second spike of COVID-19 had “refused to materialise” and that one-metre rule is “unnecessary”.
Anyone else a bit disappointed in Toby’s step down here? Firstly, I have absolutely no idea why anyone (regardless of what you think of lockdown) thought that there wouldn’t be a winter “spike” of covid respiratory virus in the Northern hemisphere, the same as all the other respiratory viruses that we live with!
And secondly, the one-metre rule is unnecessary! I’m not saying that generally being more distant from other people is not likely to lead you to be less likely to catch a virus from them if they happen to have an active infection. But it’s completely disproportionate to make this a rule for everyone. People should be allowed to assess that risk for themselves and choose. If it was prudent in most cases then there wouldn’t be any need to make it a rule.
If we don’t ever start allowing new people to hug, touch, kiss, shag each other outside of domestic relationships that were already well established by March 2020 then this will mean the end of the human race. Unless you can afford intrauterine insemination or the guy has a 1m long dick.
yes good point but we need to do more than “talk about what people are doing” we need to DO it ourselves!!
Yesterday I said my local freedom hub want to to stir up civil disobedience amongst small businesses in our town. Please can we have some more suggestions? How many of us are still there meeting within Save Our Rights/KBF or other sceptic groups to plan and carry out activities? When we met we had to creep down a side path and leave the house by a different exit to avoid being reported by neighbours – so what
I go back to a point I made a long time ago – it will mean joining up with people in person who you don’t agree with on other issues to fight a bigger cause …. it’s a lot harder than just writing a retort to them online….. but it must be done!!!!
The one thing I have learnt is that I have no idea what these lunatics will do next
Dangerous, how so?
Someone might bludgeon a person not wearing a mask with it?
Does that mean removing all foodstuffs from shelves? Its getting pretty ridiculous isn’t it?
nly because tehy are constantly playing with tehir germ laden face rags then touching all the produce and tins etc without washing their hands.
I make a big play of stating this out loud when I see it happening with Mrs Awkward tring to shush me.
That is why supermarkets are so “dangerous” – the stupidity of the masked masses, not the virus.
My daughter has one of grabby hand on a stick toys. We could all stand on a red line down the middle of every supermarket aisle, and then use them to grab food.
There’s a new crazy thing happening in some Swedish shops just now… rather than counting people in, there is a small rail at the entrance with short coat hangers on, to which laminated number cards are attached. So if they’ve decided a maximum of 25 people can come in, then there are 25 such cards on the rail. The idea is that you take a card when you go in, carry it with you while in the shop, then tip it back on the anger as you leave. If there are no cards on the rail when you arrive, then you are supposed to wait till someone leaves. However, no one seems to have thought of how many customers will touch these cards every day – never seen anyone sanitising them…!!!
The contradictions of Covid.
My local waitrose has not had the dividers for a long time, so has M&S. Really annoying.
You mean the next person thing you put after your shopping. Sainsburys removed these long time ago last year.
Just heard that Salisbury Cathedral is being used as a vaccination centre with the organist playing to the assembled multitudes – sounds a bit macabre to me!
A bit Phantom of the Opera.
Well, CofE churches have long ceased to have anything to do with Christ or God, so they might as well be used for something.
There’s some very good funeral music in the Anglican repertoire.
Our school organist played Whiter Shade of Pale in chapel (Bach’s ‘Air on a G String’). Can’t remember if that was pre or post his sacking!
I think ‘In Paradisum’ might be appropriate, Annie!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWa3LyvFOdc
“The Devil – is he all bad?”
As I reported a few days ago my elderly presently demented mother-in-law aged 99 had her vaccine yesterday. She had to wait the required 15 minutes after the jab in a large centre which according to the brother in law was cold. Mother in law complained of being very cold. The husband who is a fit and healthy 75 year old also complained that the centre where he had his jab was cold and he had walked the1.2 miles to the centre!
Why are we asking the elderly who don’t go out and who see a few people bar their permanent carer to be vaccinated? Why are these centres so cold and should we be asking the frail elderly to sit around in such environments? So much for protecting the elderly from Ellis.
Playing Requiems.
Mass Crucifixion?
What comes after that then?
nothing to see here :
America’s Biggest Owner Of Farmland Is Now Bill Gates
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/01/14/americas-biggest-owner-of-farmland-is-now-bill-gates-bezos-turner/?sh=3675397c6096
Very worrying… The Chinese have also bought up huge swathes of US farmland…
Unless I’m reading the new rules incorrectly…it’s a negative covid test or a £500 fine? That’s pennies to the rich so I assume they can still jet off and just pay it?! Obviously I think we should all be free to travel wherever we wish, but unless the Gov are actually going to order airlines and airports to cease opening, the same as pubs, hairdressers, gyms etc then this is just another way of subjugating ordinary people whilst allowing the rich to carry on.
Exactly the term “goose is good for the gander” should apply. Close the airports and airlines, they are super spreaders of the virus.
Could be argued they imported it in the first place…
The Coronavirus SI restrictions explicitly do not apply to the sky or the territorial waters. So if one is wealthy enough to afford a private plane or boat, one can do as one likes.
This is true, but it looks like the US are heavily monitoring their borders now – seems like they think some ‘big names’ are going to try to escape…
From a friend in Israel:
We must in some form of end game. The scientists and media’s fascination of variants, mutants are understandable but what can we do about the spread of these? Can we have more restrictions for every new variant considering we have 12000 variants already? If we had not a success with the most stringent measures ever with LD, ruining our economy,and running with 50000 “cases” per day, how could we ever achieve anything more?. The independent SAGE group must have lost any connection with reality with recommending local travel bans and the ZERO covid policy is impossible. The government is desperate with vaccinations and imposing more restrictions of travel knowing that we have most of these strains already in the country.
Don’t you underestimate the power to claim victory when the season passes naturally?
It is the zero-Covid merchants we should be honing in on. In the same way Toby et al have come under intense scrutiny, these people deserve the heat turning up on them imho
The travel ban feels primed for the immunity passport. Just another way to sell the vaccine.
Yet at the same time Democrat governors in the US are suddenly saying that ‘We can’t wait for the vaccine to take effect before we open up businesses again’..
They are lost. Double down is their only route of travel, to do otherwise would require some humility
This will get the lockdownistas very excited. World leading epidemiologist Devi has more:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/230.full
Try as I may, I cannot find current figures for Manaus. Anyone know a source?
The authors seems to be complete avoid of any public heath knowledge.Even in the worst scenario 350000 UK deaths in their calculation to achieve herd immunity is still not cost effective at all LD. They should know at least the NICE guidelines quality per year lost guidelines in NHS.Even Fergusson’s worst scenario 500000 was still not cost effective using LD,I think we would in that scenario spend 3 times more for C-19 death than any other death,cancer stroke, etc. And that is in the scenario we should believe their figures.
I immediately scanned for mention of T Cells.
“Although some have suggested that there may be a degree of preexisting cross-reactive T cell and humoral (antibody-related) immunity against SARS-CoV-2 (3, 4) and that a lower proportion of infection of only 10 to 40% of the population could achieve herd immunity (5), the study of Buss et al. shows that there is no meaningful level of any such immunity.”
Tough week. Only a day or two before you release your paper Public Health England directly contradict your claims.
And on the subject of t cells
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563/rr-6
The Israeli vaccination figures are depressing. For the over 80s it looks like we are going to see at least 80% uptake. This is a country more than any other that I would expect to see vaccine scepticism. Even on the death figures alone less than 4000 people have died. 0.0004% of the population by my calculation.
For below 60s the grouping where we can confidently state are at negligible risk we can see 42% 50-59 / 22% 40 – 49 / sub 20% below this grouping. Presuming they have prioritised the elderly i’d expect this group to average out at at least 50%.
It’s pretty obvious that the unvvacinated will be a considerable minority wherever it is rolled out.
0.04% surely?
i’ve got 4000/9000000=0.0004
Happy to be proved wrong I am not the best at math
You have to multiply by 100 after the division.
The are serious legal problems with requiring a test to return to your home country as a citizen or having permanent residency in the UK. According to a European Court of Justice decision, Netherlands can not require a test as requisite for coming back to your place of residence. Probably the UK government think they have been smart outsourcing this to airlines, ferry companies, Euro star requiring them to stop all passengers boarding unless having a test. It would be interesting to have a legal opinion if this is really legal in the UK to restrict citizen returning home. The PCR tests reliability might end up in court?
In addition, how on earth would it work? Practicality? As a stranger in another country how do you access such a test?
Say for instance you are on holiday in the African bush (no test centres), you then drive 5 hours that day to the airport to catch your flight back to Blighty.
These people makes
incoherentplans on the back of a cigarette boxes……Pretty sure that is what they might call an edge case. They barely care about the mass of the people. Their concern for strange exceptional cases is exactly zero.
There is what is legal. And then there is what the machinery of the state with its awesome power can accomplish.
The latter is much more relevant these days.
Yes. If you are a citizen you cannot be prevented according to the Dutch Court. The legal eagles seem utterly redundant so far
What is the relevance of European Court of Justice rulings to the United Kingdom?
We’re a signatory to it, it’s not part of the EU.
I think you are thinking of the European Court of Human Rights, which is not part of the European Union and was created under the European Convention on Human Rights, which we are a signatory to. However, the European Court of Justice is an integral part of the European Union.
You’re probably right – all these acronyms muddle the brain.
This is true, and caused a lot of problems after Christmas for Brits with residency rights in EU countries. For example the Swedish government initially allowed only their own citizens to return home, in breach of the Withdrawal Agreement. Then they lifted the ban for British residents returning home to Sweden, but mandated a pre-flight Covid test for them (minimum cost £80). However Swedes were not required to take a pre-flight test. Apparently the Swedish constitution does not allow Sweden to forbid their own citizens from returning or put any conditions on them being allowed to enter. But the rule makes a mockery of this only being about a virus, because of course a Covid-free Brit could get infected by an infected Swede on the flight..
Had to pop to the shops.
Mrs Awkward both walking round free-faced with our lanyards on (her’s more visible than mine as she is dreading a confrontation but girding herself for it anyway). Only 2 free-faced in the shop (Morrisons).
2 Police at the self-serve tills, free-faced.
You could hear the tutting and feels the looks by the 60+ scared to die, scared to live generation at the tills casting glances between us and the Police.
The WPC must have forgot something and goes off again, past us, looks, smiles and carries on.
You could imagine the tut tutting and gasps by now.
We finish, walk past the PC waiting for his partner I can feel the “now they are going to get it startes and mutterings. He looks up, I smile, he smiles back, I nod, he hods back, we continue walking past and out the shop.
Did this make an impression on the too scared to live or die brigade? Hopefully.
Cops in a good mood? Scary…
I think they are just ones who know the actual law, not fantasy ministerial wishlists made out to be law in press conferences and MSM.
Good cops, good cops. Whatcha gonna do, Watcha gonna do when they smile at you….
Lulls them into a false sense of security that you are harmless.
Then you stick the boot in.
To be honest, the cop could have been parked there to keep the mob off people like us. They’re not all fiends incarnate.
Morning all! Has anyone in the corridors of power and health services thought for one minute about the potentially disastrous effects of so much antibacterial gel/soap being washed into the water supply through this obsession with washing hands? It’s been on my mind for a while that we are basically poisoning the fragile ecosystems downstream – it’s another ticking timebomb because we’ve used so much of this stuff with barely a nod to the damage it inflicts. Triclosan and triclocarban, which are the chemicals used in many of the antibacterial products, do not break down in wastewater treatment. They’ll be washed into streams and rivers where they will kill the microorganisms and bacteria that other life forms depend on and so on up the food chain. It may take a few years to manifest but by then with this mania for antibacterial stuff will have done its work. Any thoughts or experts out there able to advise?
You make an excellent point about the impact on the environment.
The other massive damage is to the health of all people using anti-bacterial gels (in child’s school up to 12 times per day) as it is absorbed by the skin – think nicotine patch. This also contributes to antibiotic resistance that the Government used to warn us against.
Also anti-bacterials do not kill viruses, only kills bacteria. Soap and hot water still the best!
Did you know that Colgate used to have triclosan as an ingredient in one of their toothpastes? They only recently removed this dangerous chemical after massive pressure from health groups
Thank you and yes why use antibacterial gels for a virus? It doesn’t add up.
It’s very good for the bacteria, which evolve with lightning speed when under this sort of pressure, to become everything-resistant superbugs.
If an anti bacterial gel is at least 60% alcohol it can kill enveloped viruses.
Why do people who are afraid of the virus use antibacterials to protect themselves from the virus?
On the point about releasing lots of antibacterials into the environment – I suspect, natural selection will result in the evolution of more bacteria that are antibiotic resistant.
It’s more nonsense – antibacterials v a virus. I never use their gels. I think it’s high time that this was highlighted in the mainstream media because the point made by Karenovirus is highly pertinent. We are poisoning ourselves and our environment. Too many numpties and people being forced to was their hands with this toxic stuff. It’s a catastrophe waiting in the wings to happen.
The care worker I posted about earlier this week in a home with a recent Covid outbreak said
‘My fingers are burning, it’s all of us, all the constant sanitizing we have to do loads of times a day because the regulations’.
‘Fingers burning’ does not sound good
It does if those fingers are cut off and said fingers belong to Johnson, Hancock, Whitty and Vallance and it’s my piss that’s making the stubs burn.
Better still, anyone remember the opening scene of Elizabeth?
On the other hand Boots the Chemist are currently selling off consumer packaged hand sanitizer @50% off, don’t know if this is because of overstocking or reduced demand.
I suspect its both. There does seem to be sanitiser fatigue as well, the amount of times I’ve seen the sanitisers in the entrance being ignored is something I’ve lost count of.
Late August, when I was still working in a coffee shop and was often the person at the door (one reason why I quit) and was supposed to encourage people to use sanitizer, which of course I did not, one customer mentioned to me that many shops had stopped providing it. I just remarked maybe it had gotten too expensive for the shop. Mentioning how useless they are and can damage her health would have fallen on deaf ears.
But that will prove that humans are damaging the environment, requiring more restrictions on the plebs.
The greens whipped up hysteria over coffee cups and single use plastics over the last 2-3 years and yet are silent on masks, PPE and sanitiser all of which have shown to be more harmful to the environment.
A colleague was whining to me that the sanitisers were wreaking havoc on her nails. To which I replied: “Stop using the sanitisers and wash your hands with soap & water. It’s not rocket science.”
999 call somewhere in the heart of Ingerland
“Hello, which emergency service do you require”
“Police please”
“Putting you through now. Please stay on the line”
“Police here, how may I help you”
“I wish to report a threat to life”
“Please explain, where are you?”
“I’m in the High Street, it’s a covid breach”
“What’s going on?”
“There is a bloke walking up the High Street towards The Crescent”
“And”
“What do you mean ‘and’
“What’s he doing exactly?”
“I’ve told you he’s walking along the street. Do you want me to give a description?”
“No I don’t need a a description. I need to know exactly what he’s doing”
“I’ve told you, he’s walking along the street”
“What’s wrong with that?”
“What’s wrong with that? How dare you. The government has told us that we must all behave as if we have covid. This guy is not following the spirit of the rules. He should be at home”
“Really?”
“Yes and Priti said it’s our duty to report these selfish people”
“What is your name?”
“I’d prefer to remain anonymous”
“Thank you for your call, we will send the TSG round”
That my 24th call today. Hang on got to go, just seen a couple with a push chair
I implore you all to do your public duty and help us eradicate this killer virus
How dare they walk up and down the high street apparently acting like normal human beings! We must mask up, shut up and stay in our homes forever to preserve our freedoms of..er..free association, and er.. free speech, oh and free movement…
Nailed it.
Perhaps we should have a similar phone call or talk with our GPs:
“Dr I’d like a test please.”
“Well if you have symptoms of covid, you should probably just stay home for a while…”
“No no, I want tests for ebola & legionnaire’s disease.”
“Why? are you seriously ill? what symptoms do you have?”
“I’m fine. Just took the dog for a run through the woods, I’m fit as a fiddle and haven’t even so much as sneezed in 2 months. But the Government says 33%+ of the population are walking disease vectors and have absolutely no idea they’re lethal killers. So I’d like to demand a test for ebola, & legionnaire’s. Once you’re done with that might as well check me for TB, scarlet fever,& tyhpus. can’t be too careful, can you Dr? Isn’t the whole point of testing to save lives?”
Effing Sage again “Removing coronavirus restrictions at the end of next month would be a “disaster” and put “enormous pressure” on the NHS, a leading epidemiologist has warned.
Professor John Edmunds, who works on the Government’s coronavirus response as part of the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage), told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think it would be a disaster if we removed restrictions in, say, the end of February when we have gone through this first wave of the vaccination.
“First of all vaccines aren’t ever 100% protective, and so even those that have been vaccinated would be still at some risk.
“Secondly, it is only a small fraction of the population who would have been vaccinated and if you look at the hospitalisations at the moment, about half of them are in the under 70s, and they are not in the first wave to be vaccinated.
“If we relaxed our restrictions we would immediately put the NHS under enormous pressure again.”
That’s funny, John Edmunds is usually really tentative about proposing sweeping restrictions on our basic liberties, this is so out of character.
I’ve heard him on the Today Programme and he does not sound ad though he is on the extreme wing of SAGE.
Whitby said after Easter at the earliest.
If SD has really eradicated flu (which seems implausible) then when we have done all the Covid vaccinations and stop the SD we’re going to have a flu epidemic. Could even happen in the summer.
Surely, though, it was said back in September that flu deaths/admissions were going to be lumped together with ‘covid’ – wasn’t it? Or is that just my fevered imagination at work?
He has been one of the worse. Fundamental in sowing the seeds that led to children being demonised. A really bad egg.
Well, we must remember:
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
Has it been suggested anywhere that humans can be infected by virus infected aerosols landing on their eyes? You don’t have to breath them in.
Precisely, I don’t wear a mask but I’m “protecting” myself as I wear glasses. Well they are about as effective as a face shield or mask.
Ear’oles
Yep – earoles n orl.
Arseholes
Shushh! You don’t want to give them ideas! We’ll all be in hazmat suits soon enough.
I wonder when they’re going to provide ‘hazardous waste’ bins for all those severely contaminated bits of Chinese paper that people have had wrapped around their snotty noses, pulled on and off by their befouled fingers for (probably) weeks.
The eye is immunologically sequestered from the rest of the body- “immune privilege”.
You couldn’t make this up. People got all exercised about the “English strain” and now it seems there are dozens of new “strains” being discovered everywhere, each more deadly and mutated than the last.
Why are so many suddenly appearing now? Before the “English strain” out of tens of thousands of variants somewhere between 0 and 1 had been shown to be actual new strains with an observable difference in biology (D614G).
I think we should tell Richard Dawkins because this is clearly evidence that evolution doesn’t work by random mutation and natural selection. There must be some intelligent design going on here for this to be possible.
Antibody escape strains will appear in time but this is just people panicking and doing too much sequencing.
It’s really simple. New strains shift copy.
And new variant vaccines.
new strains are required when fear levels drop to unacceptable levels
To explain the vaccines not working.
I dreamed last night that every newspaper and media outlet in the UK was running with the following headline this morning:
OK it is not exactly a snappy headline, it wouldn’t even leave room for the latest football results, but it was only a dream.
One has always wondered how millions of Jews walked willingly to there deaths,”just take a shower and all will be well”even though the smell of burning flesh assaulted there nostrils on the morning breeze..
If you need insight into why this happened then look around you, the same mentality is alive and well today and getting stronger….
Primo Levi ‘The Drowned And The Saved’.
Who survived in concentration camps and who did not.
Why he felt survivor guilt because most survivors were the cunning and mean together with collaborators.
Or take the Flashman novels.
Flashman is a self-confessed liar, coward, bully and cheat. He ends up laden with honours and enjoying a happy old age. The brave and the good are the ones who end up dead.
The novels are good reading. I now know that their assessment of human nature is a hundred per cent accurate.
I don’t take Flashman’s cowardice in the novels entirely at face value – genuine cowards do not have so many adventures. His “cowardice” often comes across as prudence or pragmatism.
That was an excellent talk radio interview/discussion with Toby and the Dr posted on todays LS page Toby was excellent
I suspect that a debate between the Dr and a pro GBD Dr/prof type would be very helpful.
My money would be on the pro GBD argument
Been to the market this morning
Del Boy was there trying to flog his discounted Peckham Spring Strain from an old suitcase
I tbought the photos of the research lab were well known
1. We are all being asked to give things up to deal with this problem, but the sacrifices are not evenly distributed Sunetra Gupta.2. “We are seeing inequality within countries grow. You are seeing low-skilled workers being much harder hit, women being much harder hit, younger people being much harder hit than others are,” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1349820641705398272)
The billionaires, however, are doing extremely well. The coronavirus responses have effected a massive transfer of wealth, from those lower down the socio-economic order to those at the very top.
It’s very convenient that….
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I wonder if anyone here can shed light on what appears to be a discrepancy in mortality data? Whilst I see many assessments of IFR <1%, the ‘worldometer’ data consistently shows deaths at 3% of ‘cases which had an outcome’. Further, the current figures for the UK show 1,282 deaths per million against 48,708 cases per million – giving a figure of 2.63%. Is this perhaps related to the ‘from CV / with CV’ argument and differing reporting criteria ? I have no bias, just interested.
Surely the 3% is the CFR (case fatality rate) I.e confirmed ‘cases’ / deaths. IFR is total number of infections / death and is more of an unknown figure and will be lower than CFR.
Thanks S299 – that clarifies my mis-interpretation.
The less than 1% is based on the global median. Some regions have seen disproportionate impact.
As studies have shown your impact is largely in line with pre lockdown demographics and health, lockdowns do nothing much to move the dial
“A further 1,280 people with coronavirus have died in the UK within 28 days of a positive test”
Let’s put this in context.
10,000 – 12,000 people at this time of year die every week
So, about 2-3% of these appear to die with a PCR+ result
… which we know, is a massive overstatement of actual infection and deaths from SARS-CoV-2
Thus can innumeracy and ignorance provide inflation.
On the NHS/Gov dashboard they publish the deaths within 28 days of a test figure and the weekly total of registered deaths with covid on the death cert. The deaths within 28 days figure is usually way higher than the registered deaths figure but they seem to see no reason to explain this and just run with the bigger figure to keep the scares up.
I’m wondering whether I’m being paranoid (though that’s quite a good state of mind to be in these days) and reading too much into Bozo’s banging on about not touching things that an ‘infected’ person has touched in yesterday’s televised fear booster. What is said on a Friday always seems to develop into some policy change over the weekend. It seemed completely bizarre, especially given the points made ATL today, but likely setting the scene for some new lunacy. Any thoughts?
Gloves mandated?
Although that would be ridiculous and pointless enough to be considered desirable by our persecutors I am thinking more along the lines of the increasing perception of personal threat strategy and how the ground might be laid for a tighter lockdown and further reducing rights to leave home.
Quite possible, especially if any ministers’ mates can procure gloves. But the aim of this is probably simple – to remind the sheeple that they need to tremble in fear every time they touch a can of beans in Tesco.
What is the point of gloves? They do not have a viruskilling substance in them.
There was a very good video in spring about a nurse demonstrating with green slime how virus transfer from gloves to objects and back.
actually the same experiment with skin might actually reduce the amount of slime, as it will dry better.
I think they are just running out of things to harangue us about. they’ve been through all the basic hygeine measures and are on repeat. Last week it was coffee, now it’s hands. Desperate.
My most recent missive to Ireland’s Taoiseach (Prime Minister):
Dear Mr Martin
You have only just apologised for the actions of the child fucking regime of the world in running their baby mills for Americans aka Mother and Baby Homes (whilst continuing to deny the children involved birth certs). What date is scheduled for the apology for lockdowns and the mandatory vaccination passports you refused to disown in the last few days?
It is normally 30 years or more before the Irish State admits wrong – why wait until 2050 for the State apology to be issued – end the lockdowns, pass laws that requires Health Sector staff to carry out whatever job they are told to do or lose everything (remember, constitutional rights are not absolute per the Waters and O’Doherty case) and apologise to and properly compensate those who have been screwed by your lockdowns. A good start in paying for such compensation would be a 20% reduction in the accumulated pension years of all public servants who had not retired/resigned by 31 March 2020 as by staying in service as “essential” workers, they accepted their role in the Tyrannical regime that has been in power since.
Link to the Waters case?
My god, sorry if everyone’s already seen it, but just came across this abomination in the telegraph website. How about ‘life’ thrives on human contact??
Quick everyone – into your bubbles – that’s literally one each now
Yes, it’s everywhere, seemingly on many websites, the ultimate in propaganda. We have become the de facto Rebel Alliance and must develop Jedi-like skills to counter all this nonsense.
And covered bus stops
Good one Adamb
ffs
That is truly, truly horrible. Without human contact there is no humanity. What sort of mind do you need to have in order to think up this poison?
A lack of a mind? Or of a soul.
The NHS should be complained to the ASA over that as its misleading, wrong and its perpetuating Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.
Thank god I run adblock and dont ever see such things!
Just come in. Saw the headline. Two words: bloody bonkers.
(5) Morrisons Accepted DISCRIMINATION Hampshire Police Attend https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f694.svg ANTI RIGHTS – YouTube
Its a long un but highlights the bollocks we’re up against. Of course the non mask wearer is the criminal in the police’s opinion always.
Just sent this to No.10 via their website:
If we all sent something similar then do you think they might get the message that we are not as stupid as they are?
Just before the muzzle mandate came in, I went shopping. It was one of my better experiences. People were courteous, stepping aside, allowing space, smiling (because things seemed more positive then) and all in all there was an air of optimism.
Then, suddenly, this barking mad muzzle tripe came in, and suddenly people were pushy, grim, unfriendly, suspicious (obviously with no opportunity to smile or signal friendliness) and it all felt threatening and dark. And that’d be where the extra contamination began, if it did – though I don’t actually believe it made much difference.
Speaking of Wittery, remember what he said in May:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be
So true. July it was a pleasure to shop. And people were courteous and careful. Other than the corner shop, I’ve only been into a shop once since July. All that extra money i would have spent browsing, gone.
If we look at the all-cause mortality figures and strip out the Covid deaths then apparently we should be enjoying the lowest rate of death ever!
I have had some exchanges on twitter with some people who do indeed believe that all the masks and distancing etc. have been so helpful that if we now eradicated covid we would now be having the lowest death rate ever known. Face-masks and distancing are so good we are clearly on the run-in to eternal life!
I am inclined to think these people still believe in the tooth fairy and that there is gold at the end of the rainbow!
covid is the wonder cure for traditional causes of end of life deaths
Well done, Nick, for pointing out this anomaly.
Of course, the trouble is that the quantity of ‘Covid’ deaths is totally unknown – a rather peculiar anomaly when SARS-CoV-2 is the top and bottom of supposed concern!
After a year, very little seems to have been established about covid, by anyone anywhere. Or if it has, the findings have not been publicised widely because they do not fit the narrative
Govts and SAGE-like bodies everywhere seem uncurious about covid, almost as if they didn’t care because they are blindly following Plan A
As one of Ivor Cummins’ graphs showed, if you take out the deaths of people over 80 back in April, the ”spike” almost disappears.
Are we turning into a group of navel gazers, questioning ourselves because the narrative is being controlled by Her Majesty’s Govt?
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that we are LOCKDOWN sceptics, not Covid deniers or anti-vaxxers, we are against the effects of totally useless lockdowns. We know (fact) that domestic violence reports have rocketed, kids have died at the hands of their parents, people have been denied lifesaving surgery/treatment, people are dying needlessly at home because they are afraid of catching Covid in hospital and if those aren’t enough, businesses are failing, unemployment is at record levels and our kids/grandkids education and financial futures have been ruined because of the hysteria stoked by Western governments. They abandoned their well understood plans for a pandemic to copy the communists.
Toby is a big lad, with broad shoulders, he knows he gets stuff wrong as we all do. But you can’t beat the argument that Lockdowns don’t work, they are more damaging than the disease itself.
Trying to think positively I like to think of what we are promoting not we we are protesting about.
FREEDOM
I find it hard to understand how cheaply people seem to hold their freedoms and human rights and civil liberties. For me the freedom of movement should be sacrosanct. when in Folsom Prison Blues, Johnny Cash sang, ‘but that train keeps a moving and that’s what tortures me’ I know exactly what he meant. I have always held the freedom of movement to be one of my most important birthrights as a UK person and I amazed at how readily so many have been prepared to give it up.
Spot on, Steve. Of all this, the loss of freedom of movement is THE most sinister.
This, to me, is the best argument and cuts through all the wrangling over statistics. You simply do not remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control in free societies. This was accepted wisdom right up until last year, when first Italy and then most of the rest of the world decided to take their lead from the Chinese Communist Party. Even Ferguson admitted he didn’t think they could “get away with it” in Western democracies.
Yes, this was the hardest thing for me. Even though I had seen some evidence in my research that freedom in democracies was eroding, with the young, in particular, not valuing it, I was still taken aback by how quickly people in Western countries threw their freedom away. If we somehow get through the current episode of the Rona and things improve this summer, I don’t think it will be like 2019. I fear that the world we had before this shitshow is gone, probably for a generation (at least). All the authoritarians, from shop security guards to Xi Jinping, will have noticed how easy it was to strip people in the West of their ‘precious’ freedom, and it will be very easy to do it again and again. I’m so glad I don’t have children. The situation really is that grim, I fear.
The unblinking Whitty has convinced me that it is being run by lizards
They must have ‘given him something’ since May 2020. Or made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. He seemed quite human then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be
I notice that the Astrazeneca vaccine trials took place in UK, South Africa and Brazil.
So I guess it is a coincidence that the mutant variants recently appeared came from these countries.
hell of a coincidence
2 Brazil mutants now apparently, R2 News 11am
yes, the mutant party all night viruses, rife in Rio – very dangerous to UK covid propaganda efforts
Viruses mutate – do these clever advisors not know that? Ahh they do but rather use it to scare the public and fully decimate the economy
Wishing luck, get video!
Perhaps some entrepreneur here should start up an employment website for ‘sceptics’. A ‘labour support’ (LS) for those who need work but are also prepared to abide by the ‘law’ but only to the letter.
I’m sorry if some her may consider this pointless but I am seriously pissed of by several responses by “OKUK” to a simple link I posted to Tobys appearance on Talk Radio yesterday evening, in yesterdays comments. I posted it in case anyone would like to see/hear it.
The link went to about 30 seconds before Toby was introduced by the host.
I originally described it as an “interview” but, as was pointed out by Alice in the thread it may have been more correctly been described as a “debate”, which I acknowledged.
OKUKs first response was, “How many mins in?” to which I replied, “Link should take you to just before interview starts.”
There followed a ludicrous ranting response from “OKUK” which ended up with him/her/it calling me a 77th liar which I find deeply offensive, frankly.
I was going to ignore it and said I was going to bed but “OKUK” continued with the bile.
I have, I admit, added some slightly “choice” language responses to the thread this morning, for which, I make no apology.
I would be interested to think what people think about “OKUK”s response to a simple link I posted to an interview/debate with the guy, Toby of course, who started this site and to whom I, and I suspect many others, are very grateful for doing so.
I am a pretty robust character and can dish it as well as take it, but I was seriously pissed off by the completely unwarranted crap from “OKUK”. Frankly I would suggest that people like him/her/it are likely to make other people suggest this site is a bunch of loonies – which it clearly isn’t!
Link to post:
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/01/15/latest-news-255/#comment-359079
The link takes me to the top of yesterdays page. I have not yet managed to make comment links successfully work. Hope others can follow to the comment.
It takes quite a while in my browser before it eventually goes to the relevant comment which it rather strangely puts at the top of the comments but under the main page content. I think it might behave differently in various browsers, but thanks for trying to look!
I would suggest that OKUK misunderstood (probably due to impatience).
If you looked at the response I think it is frankly utterly insane.
Just my opinion of course.
I saw at the time. I put it down to the collective madness being very trying for all of us.
I think it’s a little more than that frankly.
The guy is loony tunes.
I think we’re all cacooned in our house and heavily pissed off with the situation. Not justifying whatever took place but just some context.
the comments section here is a mixed bag with (thankfully) no censorship as far as I am aware. Its unlikely anyone remembers who said what in yesterdays comments
What works for me is not taking myself or anyone else too seriously
Yes I know what you mean, but the response was particularly annoying as it was a response to a simple link I made to an appearance by Toby, and cast doubt on my loyalty to my country which seriously pissed me off given the context – have you looked at the comment?
Looks like a technical glitch to me. Not sure how something so innocuous ended up in an argument. But we are all understandably stressed at the moment and text chats can be easy to misinterpret. Best to let go of it, more important things to worry about.
Have you actually looked at his response? – I suspect not.
I did actually. I’m sorry you got upset by it, we have probably all had a similar experience, especially if this is the first time we have actively participated on message threads. I had something similar a few months ago where I got offended by something on here. Let it go and move on.
I’m certainly not new here and normally I would just tell them to fuck themselves, but this is different, the scumbag owes me an apology, no-one casts doubt on my loyalty to my country. No-one.
Ok, I see there is no progress to be made here, bye!
lol – bye!
I didn’t see the thread so cannot comment on the specifics
Obviously with a largely unmoderated comment section you will get comments that are, to some eyes, immoderate, but that IMO is vastly preferable to the alternative, as we have seen from what is happening on mainstream social media
In general the level of debate on LS is much higher than most places I have ever experienced
I would ask you to actually look at the comment – when someone accuses me of being disloyal to my country, above almost anything else, seriously pisses me off.
Mud, even if thrown my a mentally ill fool, sticks!
Am I bovvered though
lol!
Netanyahu is sitting against that most Israeli of all colours purple above the line their getting his jab, I notice.
I see ITV are flashing little boxes in the top left corner of the screen at the start of programmes pushing the Covid propaganda, you know “stay at home” and all that. To my mind this is subliminal advertising, which has been illegal in the UK since 1958. Surely ITV must be stopped from doing this & given hefty fines. Do I report it to the police as a crime being committed? Any legal eagles out there have any thoughts on this.
Remember when top political commentators were saying what a nightmare Starmer would be for Johnson?
His forensic examination of policy, his attention to detail, his intelligence.
It turns out his line on everything is ‘Yes but, should’ve been sooner’.
He just sits on the fence to see which way the wind blows. Though Doris does that too.
That’s the answer he’s been told to give by his handlers at the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg club.
No thinking involved on his part.
Also that deer in the headlights look in his eyes.
Don’t forget his appearance on Andrew Marr a couple of months back: ‘Everything the Government does.. we will support that.’
Show them your risk assessment that says your staff do not need to wear face coverings as they do not meet “in close contact” statement in the legislation.
Covered very well on laworfiction.
My experience of officialdom is that you blind them with paperwork. That’s what we did with university inspections.
Greet the rozzers with a beaming smile, say ” I’m so glad you asked that question, here is our risk assessment “. Present them with a folder complete with risk assessment, government guidelines, the legal bits, scientific trials, WHO quotes, anything looking official. Talk them through the bits they want to know.
Also have a section listing official contact and ask them their name and work id so you can document their visit. Do this while smiling sweetly through gritted teeth.
If you need help getting all the info together I have a computer, keyboard, printer, that interweb thingy and a bit of brain.
I used to run my own business and know how alone you can feel. Nil illegitimi carborundum.
The latest data from the NHS was published yesterday. I offer no commentary other than to say it’s weird.
The average number of available General & Acute Adult beds during the 4th quarter of 2019 in English hospitals was 102,194.
As at 8am of the 12th Jan 2021 there were 86,105, that’s 16% fewer beds available now than a year ago.
During the 4th quarter of 2019 there were on average 90,309 occupied beds.
On the 12th Jan there were 78,306 occupied beds, so there are 15% fewer people in English hospitals now than a year ago.
I gave this information to a friend who said it was because a lack of space in hospitals & too few staff, so I looked it these claims.
In 2010 there were 122,551 available beds, 42% more than are available today. I didn’t notice 42% of the hospitals being demolished so presumably the space is still there. If the hospitals are jammed with covid patients why do they need extra space, you could jam them in like sardines and give space for the alleged dwindling number of non-covid patients.
As to staffing, while beds are down 42% we have, according to the Nuffield Trust https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers#2-what-is-the-overall-shortfall-in-staff-in-the-nhs 44% more doctors than 2004 and 1% more nurses than 2009. So more medic looking after fewer beds.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/Weekly-covid-admissions-and-beds-publication-210114.xlsx
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/
So number of people requiring hospital services are normal for time of year
what we have is a NHS management problem not caused by the predictable annual respiratory disease illnesses
Shhhh! That’s a bit too much reality. You need to be censored!
If you look at the MSM photo opps of “overwhelmed” hospitals, you will always see at least 6 or 7 medical staff looking after 1 patient.
This is a very important post. Some one should be able to make hay with this.
Nobody is listening.
Nobody wants to listen.
Except the few rebels on here, that is.
This was all touched upon in yesterday’s LS newsletter.
COVID has led to a giant cover up of the complete mismanagement of the health service, perpetrated by the politicians and administrators who manage the health service.
Here is the UN’s pre-coronavirus projection of the UK’s death rate. We recently reached a trough and it now climbs steadily and naturally because the population is ageing.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/death-rate
They have not prepared for this at all, in the same way that they have not prepared properly for the economic stress of more pensions and less tax receipts.
Good info thanks. Just to add if I’ve understood correctly the number of nurses has increased by +-1% per year, rather than 1% over the whole 11 year period.
According to the Nuffield Trust data 1% over the period. But at a time when hospital beds have dropped by 42% it says something.
I might be looking in the wrong place, I was seeing 167,200 -> 191,600 and reading this as a 14.5% increase?
Maybe the managers used the freed up space for offices.
The prime minister has called for all girls (in the world) to get 12 years of education. Has he overlooked anything do you think?
Why doesn’t he look at his own backyard because kids regardless of gender are currently NOT getting an education?
Glass houses and stones comes to mind.
It occurs to me that, as Hebrew is read from right to left, those charts out of Israel may be telling an entirely different story…
Funny. You should see the Chinese ones!
Interesting to see that Emma Barnett actually got a slap on the wrist re. her remarks slandering Mike Yeadon.
She has been consistently a perfect example of the current clutch of networked crap journalists – appointed for non-journalistic reasons.
Did the cop have a FN on?
ug, nightmare. This is so sinister. just so wrong.
Not necessarily, could be just smelling the wonderful coffee and wishing it was time for a break.
With you in spirit, kh – wish we could do more. They can try to intimidate, but keep rejecting the feelings of intimidation.
give them tea and invite them to have a seat in your shop, then video.
When or if this terrible plague is over, I intend to visit all the mass graves we were told would be required so I can put some flowers on them.
Could somebody inform me where they are?
My cousin in NZ asked me about them, god knows what they are being told over there
You should download some mass grave images from the web and send them to your cousin.
And update them daily with reports about how the government here is really covering up the number of deaths, that the number cannot be trusted, that in reality there are probably 10 times more than the reported figure. Minimum.
They probably use the bodies in a furnace to heat No 10 and 11 – well the suicides anyway.
If Johnson was really determined to ‘follow the science’, he totally ignored WHO, who have said from the beginning that lockdown’s cause poverty and are set to put 100 million into extreme poverty
Science is now a religion. Like the muslim religion, with its factions, Shias and Sunnis. Or christians, with protestants and catholics.
Our “science” Mullahs are lockdown freaks. The WHO Mullahs are a bit less radical.
Not sure if anyone has suggested this but could we not have a Boo for Boris on Thursdays at 8pm?
Yes it has but it’s still a great idea.
The support isn’t there for a boo. Yet.
Do you sell food, that’s why they usually hang around
Micro aggressions are a hate crime – video them all in case you need the evidence in future.
Yes, collect evidence.
Do you have a local Hells Angels who could provide backup? Or any bikers really, they always look formidable in all that gear. Mention your joint on local biker groups.
I ride a motorcycle. I’m 6′ without shoes, and slim. But with armoured bike gear can look pretty big and menacing if necessary. :>)
Sorry, didnt mean to sound flippant, it must be worrying when its your livelihood.
Years ago, I knew a pub owner who used to do after hour lock in’s, the police started to come around and make a nuisance of themselves, so he invited them in, they became regulars.
Sounds like the police.
Jimmy Savile apparently invited people around on a regular basis for tea and biscuits. The biscuits were cheap stuff – he was a bit of a miser along with all his other negative qualities – but the people he invited round tended to be police inspectors and suchlike. His apparent immunity from prosecution may have owed something to that.
Could you video him, which you are perfectly entitled to do, and post it somewhere and explain you think he’s trying to intimidate you?
Maybe he could get banned from being served by other food outlets. I appreciate it might be a bit of a provocation which you might want to avoid though perhaps, in which case you could video him and send a copy to someone you trust to keep a copy of as evidence. Just a thought.
According to this the British public believe Covid is 10x more deadly than it is:
https://fullfact.org/health/why-poll-gives-misleading-view-how-many-people-public-think-covid-19-has-killed/
Efficacy of vaccine: 62%
Efficacy of the truth: 90%
Several months ago I met one of those who thought 7% of the population had died.
I pointed out that was the population of London and more.
What a complete dimwit
Stupidity and fear – a dangerous combination.
Of course anything Toby Young says will be seen as misleading by Fullfact.
To summarise: TY used a mean average – people on average believe that covid has killed 10% of the population
Using the median, the figure is closer to 1%
1% is still 10 times as much as the official “covid” death toll. And almost 50% of people think it is higher than 1%.
Exactly fact check actually proves our point as is often the case.
I think it’s reasonable to use the median.
But my point is about all these people like teachers bleating about how they want the vaccine– the vax means their risk of death is 38% what it was before. But it’s only 10% of what they thought it was in the first place.
My 78 year old aunt said in a totally depressed voice, that 1,023 people had died today, I said that’s better than the usual 1600. A Day, she said, yes I repeated, 1600 average, 600,000 average a year, she was astounded, how did she get to that age and never wonder, I wonder
Dan – the government depends on the fact that most people have never examined the figures. Would you have known before the shit-show?
To be honest, I only had a vague idea of the numbers, its certainly brought a lot of clarity to things
Dan,
And you need to consider this also. This graph was posted on here about a week ago – it shows the actual dates of death for the numbers of people whose deaths were only officially reported on 6 January giving the impression they’d all died that one day. The current actual average daily (very arguably) ‘covid’ deaths is running at about 650-700 give or take.
https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1346896341469900802/photo/1
I can’t tell you how these graphs are compiled but they are based on hard data published by the Office of National Statistics. I saw a similar more recent graph a few days ago and one of the deaths included in the daily tally had occurred last May!
I mentioned that about 1% of people die a year to someone – they were gobsmacked – literally hadn’t thought about it before
So some 60% of deaths are now to do with Covid?
“Full Fact” is obviously a pro-narrative propaganda source, not a fact-checking service. Just look at what it takes on – amongst all the issues around Covid. This ties them into propaganda rather than science :
“If you agree that Covid-19 spreads through contact with an infected person (which it does), then it is hard to see how banning human contact could fail to reduce the spread.”
The relevant article then goes on to bust a gut to find the odd paper that supports the efficacy of lockdowns, in the face of voluminous evidence to the contrary.
What the article is really about is whitewashing the stupidity of the British public.
The poll showed the public thought is was 7% of the population had died.
The article then goes on to explain what the public apparently meant by that.
They of course don’t do that with the poll numbers showing that 70%+ of the population want more lockdowns. They don’t consider it necessary to explain what the public really means by that.
The contortions lockdown freaks are having to do to cope with their cognitive dissonance is spectacular.
Yes. This myth is routinely whipped out by people.
You’re doing a first rate job. Please don’t be intimidated. I assume take away only in this weather is hardly making you any money (probably costing you?) but your standing up to be counted is much appreciated.
That said, if it all gets too much I’m sure we would all understand if you felt you needed a break.
hide the doughnuts…
R2 News 11am
30 cross-denomination Scottish church ministers threatening the sturgeon with Judicial Review for closing churches completely citing Freedom Of Religion.
Trying to reason with a zealot. Why bother threatening, just do.
whohoo what took them so long?
I hope they are cross. Very cross. God bless ’em.
Will they show her their cross? (sorry)
Gaslighting
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1350374696160808964?s=20
Amazing he didn’t see that one or at least someone point it out to him before he made an utter fool of himself
Boris is right: education is extremely important for girls (and boys). Perhaps, he will not re-open all the schools and ensure the girls and boys of this land are provided with the education they need and deserve?
A semi-sceptic put this in front of me yesterday. It’s a re-hash of the last BBC fable about the relative level of mortality.
I confess that I was so irritated at the way the figures had been manipulated (see the end of the article), that I was past rational debate, having spent (like many others here) a lot of time looking at the reality of mortality over 2020, and communicating same to the semi-sceptic amongst others.
So – while I calm down, would those of you who are interested in the numbers, care to do a forensic job on this guy’s distortions? I fear my judgment may tip over into just ranting :
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-mortality-rates-in-2020-compare-with-past-decades-and-centuries-12185275
What is the point. How many back and forth arguments have you been on with people? I’ve had dozens. In the end, it ends up with a mutual shrug of shoulders.
The trick is to take a morally unassailable position and just regurgitate it as many times as necessary.
They have: Yes but people are dying. We cannot allow people to die.
My position is: You value life more than freedom. I value freedom above life. Like the soldiers in WWII who fought against Nazism.
There isn’t a single fact you can use to knock me off my position. It is unassailable.
It’s also very unpopular. So I’m sitting on a morally unassailable island…
I don’t entirely disagree with you, Stewart.
But this one is about pseudo-statistics put in front of someone who has a parially sceptical bent, and a basic belief in scientific method.
But it seems that the ability of ‘The Narrative’ to invent egregious falsehoods has no bounds.
Rick,
I think we have to continue arguing using logi and stats – of course.
However, people have been manipulated through the use of emotion, so in order to overcome that, I think that we also have to find a way of pushing the emotional buttons.
Yes – you’re undoubtedly right.
We are up against the most aggressive propaganda campaign that I can recall. How we counter that without control of significant media is massively problematic.
Caught in an advertisment break yesterday, I was contemplating how those infantile emotional buttons are so easy to press – otherwise, why would so much be spent on media advertising?
But I reckon that we can’t abandon the underpinning rightness of appealing to reason as part of the emotional aspect.
Look further down at the info on hospital beds and patients compared to other years.
Clearly there is no real massive surge compared to other years and the problem is that capacity has been reduced over the years.
But who gives a shit? Whose listening? No one.
The BBC publishes a piece showing that the death rate is comparable to 2008 but spins it as the highest level of excess deaths since WWII, which is true in terms of absolute numbers but irrelevant in the right context.
Facts stopped mattering in March/April.
Rick I really appreciate the statistical analysis you bring to the table. There has been a large uptick in fear porn of late I like to have the statistical background aswell as the freedom/ liberty et al arguments.
In reality I appreciate the facts too.
It helps to know one is sitting on an island for good reason..:-)
Yeah, if we don’t question our position we are just as bad as the other side.
Exactly this. I would rather DIE than not see my children. My Mum would rather DIE than not be able to hug her grandchildren. There is no combination of words that will ever change this viewpoint.
Rick, I’d start with this:
Conway writes:
“This doesn’t quite sound so bad does it? Fewer people dying per 1,000 than in 2003, and pretty much any year before. But there’s a clue here as to why this isn’t an especially meaningful comparison.
Crude mortality rates, which is what we’re talking about here, have been falling for most of the 20th and 21st century as medical science has advanced and people have lived longer. So casting this number as telling us “it’s only as bad as 2003″ isn’t quite right.”
If you actually look at one of the graphs (Deaths in England and Wales) in the article you will see that mortality had in fact been rising for some years already before 2020, although before that it had of course been falling for a long time. That is, 2020 represents a continuation of that trend.
That trend started around 2014, probably as a result of an aging populatiom plus austerity.
Conway rightly says it was the biggest jump in mortality (percentage wise) on a year on year bases), since 1940. Therefore, we look for something that happened in that particular year. In 1940 this was accounted for by the War. In 2020 it was accounted for by the unprecedented expulsion of tens of thousands of people from hospitals, and other lockdown measures.
How do we know that this was so?
Well, it is an international ‘pandemic’ right. Therefor the illness should have pretty much the same statistical effect everywhere. However, if we look at, say Germany, which also experienced a ‘pandemic’, but did not kick masses of people out of hospital, then we find no abnormal mortality for 2020, despite 1.7 million ‘cases’. Think about that – 1.7 million ‘cases’, but no impact on mortality.
Another thing:
C-19 is allegedly a respiratory disease – right? Therefore if Conways’s argument is correct, then we should find that UK hospitals treated many more respiratory patients. They did not.
Someone posted a graph showing the number of acute respiratory infections treated – it was normal.
Does anyone know where this graph is?
Conclusion – mortality rose steeply in 2020, compared to previous years, due mostly to hospital expulsions and other lockdown damage. This represented an acceleration of a pre-existing trend, going back to 2014 – probably due to aging population plus declining living standards.
Thanks for those thoughts rockoman. I guess one of the side-effects of this is that I just get fatigued with re-iterating the bleedin’ obvious.
My correspondent, having read this, was convinced that autumn-winter deaths showed an ‘excess’ way above ‘normal’. Total bollocks, of course – the post-June mortality figures are, overall, simply in the median range.
As you imply, there was the April spike – which took mortality briefly to maximum levels. But the overall figure has declined since then to around the median.
Denis Rancourt points out that the ‘pandemic’ deaths are not associated with the number of ‘cases’ nearly as much as they are associated with the severity of lockdown, with severe lockdowns preceding death surges, as in the UK.
I would also in my discussions really point out the fact that mortality rates appear to heve decisively turned upwards in 2014 in the UK, partly due to an aging population, but mainly due to falling living standards and associated politically-driven austerity measures.
If it really is the ‘pandemic’ which has been killing people, then we should be seeing greater excess mortality now than in March and April, because we have many more cases.
We are not.
What is different is that masses of patients are not now being expelled from hospitals.
To be fair the deaths do provide an uptick in 2014 but do appear to remain relatively consistent until this year 2020. Interestingly 2001,2002 and 2003 had essentially the exact same relative mortality to this year per 100,000 people population adjusted.
I’ve been reviewing the stats of late from the ONS. What I can gather is over the last 20 years we have 30 excess deaths per 100,000 people.
Given we cannot attribute all those deaths to COVID. Many will have been due to the measures related to lockdown we have to ask the questions was it worth it. That should provide a resounding no.
Ignore that my maths is wrong. Need to rework with excel here.
Just ditch the notion of ‘excess deaths’. It really is meaningless and wrong-headed in the assumptions that it makes.
It is another example of the way in which epidemiology is riven with statistical nonsense.
I think his figures are probably fine but I don’t argue that covid has little effect
my approach is
1 – covid causes lots of harm
2 – so do lockdowns
3 – you got to get the balance right – that’s what the 2014 pandemic response plan did – we shouldn’t have thrown it in the bin
4 – we have the data (and had it in march/april) to show that lockdowns don’t prevent death because they don’t affect the progression of the disease (see graph below and sweden data)
therefore we shouldn’t lockdown
I think the rights argument trumps any cost/benefit analysis but it isn’t popular
I don’t argue that Covid has little effect, but his ultimate historical figures are certainly not ‘fine’.
What I do argue – and it’s important – is that, in both medium and longer time frames, it is far from ‘unprecedented’. The hard facts lie in the basic population-adjusted figures for the quarter century. Even in that time-frame, there have been seven years of worse mortality – and we didn’t even blink.
But, of course, we have this constant use of a mere 5-year baseline – a period that is ‘unprecedented’ in terms of remarkably low mortality.
The two year figure is actually at the median level – i.e. nowhere near exceptional when the ‘dry tinder’ balance is taken into account.
I certainly agree with you on lockdowns, and would say the same if the virus was as bad as presented. But the exaggeration is entirely egregious, and parted company with the reality back in March, when PHE downgraded the ‘pandemic’ (already newly defined to include such as this) from the ‘High Consequence’ category.
Agreed Rick, population adjusted I can see that years 2001,2002 and 2003 had essentially the exact same mortality per 100,000. There is nothing unprecedented about this year.
Can people rebut matters though by saying quality of living has improved substantially since then?
So much PCR noise in everything beyond the overall mortality numbers. Even then, with Covid or from Covid, lack of autopsies, no doubt the massive list of symptoms leading to suspected covid deaths being marked. The % dying because of Covid vs lockdown deaths is where the balance argument lands, but I don’t know how you strip away the PCR noise?
Bluntly – you can’t define ‘Covid’ numbers in the available mess of data. Thus we have to fall back on ‘all-cause’ mortality as the only reliable figures.
I’ll try to think of an easy to follow analogy which explains what they are doing. Look out for it later
I believe the comparison with 2003 used in the presentation provides the best indication of what has happened to mortality. Percentage improvements and/or deteriorations can be misleading.
e.g. I only got a 2% pay rise while you got a 5% rise. But if I’m earning 100k and you’re earning 20k – who gets the biggest rise (note not a good analogy here).
“Percentage improvements and/or deteriorations can be misleading”
Especially if the baseline is as absurdly short as the commonly used 5-year average.
One issue I have with sceptics is we are so bloody disorganised. Too many disparate interests and views spread across many formats. There is not enough focus on the core message.
True. And few.
The few only defeat the many when they are organised. Like Bill and co. They are few, but man are they killing it.
Spot on, Tom.I’m working on a 5-point strategy which we can all follow. What’s the best way to get this out?
Wish I had the answers pal. I guess the only fight that needs to be fought is the Taboo over being able to express concern around lockdown harms without being shot down as a psycho.
The single biggest problem is that scepticism is seen as a conspiracy theory no matter how founded in science and medicine it is. The general public accept a position if the people proposing that position are saying that they are following the science; irrespective of the fact that science is driven by scepticism. There is a large inertia to overcome. The situation is not as bad as that faced by Copernicus or Galileo, but it is in a similar vein with appealing to authority.
If you look at Extinction Rebellion or Black Lives Matter, how have they managed to do what they have done?
Both of these have emphasised the negative aspects of their causes, in the case of XR they totally ignore other viewpoints, they are right and everyone else is wrong, irrespective of any evidence to the contrary.
The government has created a similar atmosphere, totally ignoring any dissent (paying lip service by “consulting” with Sunetra Gupta or Carl Henighan) or evidence contrary to their position, no matter how strong. They also have the ears of the MSM, and dissenting voices are suppressed as Toby has found out.
Also, places such as youtube that show valid lectures from renowned experts on immunology or virology then opponents say that it was some crank on youtube!
People like Sebastian Rushworth and Malcolm Kendrick have their blogs, but again any reference to these is poo-poohed as being a conspiracy theorist.
How to tackle this?
Lockdown Rebellion?
Lockdown lives matter?
If the subject is politicised then picketing instead of marches is legal as political picketing has not (yet) been outlawed. Also, I believe that picketing is allowed for other causes and is not just employment related.
“If you look at Extinction Rebellion or Black Lives Matter, how have they managed to do what they have done?”
Because they are backed by money and power.
and the media
I think we need to tap into some really base emotions to unpick some of the propaganda harm. Basically beat them at their own game. The hashtag #whataboutus with the argument that this is harmful to children. This can be left purposefully vague so that it can mean whatever people want it to mean eg. School closures, fatalities, child protection enquiries etc.
We all set a date and time and bombard social media with various messages of lockdown harms for children and young people.
Anyone who argues against is a paedo
Despite the fact that children are more likely to die from a meteor strike they are being used as THE propaganda tool now.
The scapegoats are the older teenager and student population.
The most worried appear to be the middle years and it is this group that are being specifically targeted with the fear campaign.
The elderly population are OK now because they are having the vaccine, and the “you’ll kill granny” meme is no longer required.
Perhaps making vulnerable adult enquiries or raising concerns with the local authorities?
Who are the targets for such a campaign? Who needs convincing?
How about total external compliance but say to everybody you come near ‘This is ridiculous isn’t it? How much longer are they going to keep this up? It’s such a scam – but we all just have to go along with it, I guess.’ It works for me every time and more and more people I know now feel the same it seems. It may seem passive and non-confrontational but that’s why it works. It’s getting everyone in your social circle to question it then they start to do the same .. I got this idea from the beginning of the first lockdown when an elderly man in a pharmacy wearing a mask said to the whole queue ‘You know they just want to kill us all!’ and not one person disagreed with him.
Absolutely. I think the message should be ‘Lockdowns don’t work, Lockdowns cost lives, they are a crime against humanity.
”lockdowns cost lives” – excellent banner
Yes. Simple but can be backed up by any factoid of your choice as a specific example e.g. cancer diagnoses missed, world poverty increased etc.
Tom,
I know what you mean, but I guess that was inevitable really.
Unlike our opponents we couldn’t prepare.
‘They’ knocked up a clap for Carers. Why can’t we find something similar that similarly hits the spot? There is common ground. eg. There is no reason why we couldn’t all Twitter bomb to get a phrase trending. The key is getting the message right.
I think it’s great to have disparate views and interests. It’s what totalitarians hate most.
We need a rich benefactor(s) to put a team of professionals and advisors together with a multi million pound budget and top legal advice to run a campaign to inform the public of what we see as the truth – that would be the time to focus on core message
I think debate below the line is fine
Agreed, and with Toby, we also seem to be getting bogged down in debates about “the science”. Leave that to the GBD guys and other real experts. We should concentrate on three aspects. Firstly, exposing government and MSM lies, based on PHE and ONS data and statistics. That’s an easy one – the facts are readily available. Secondly, highlighting the personal and social damage caused by lockdowns. Again plenty of evidence available. Thirdly, as you suggest, giving greater publicity to those who are fighting the system in practical ways.
Re masks and transmission. I thought early on that after the introduction of the mask mandate, those wearing Visors rather than masks were deluded if they thought those devices could have any effect. However, I have rethought this.
It is accepted that surgical and cloth masks do very little to filter particles, perhaps inhalation of a few only. However, a mask will do a good job of aerosolising exhaled particles, which it is stated can hang in the air for considerable periods. Thus visors are BETTER at stopping the spread than any masks, since there is no aerosol produced, and particles which ARE exhaled will either fall to the floor, or remain on the inside of the device, well away from third parties.
Anyone had similar thoughts ?
I no longer have a link but there was an article done on the protection levels of visors and they were found to be completely useless. Even less protection than a mask.
As a Chinese food delivery driver I’ve seen a change in peoples reactions from when our shop re-opened in May to present.
In particulate, two regular customers are worth a mention….
For months, when delivering to them, the money would be in an envelope outside and I would leave the food on the door step, knock on the door and leave. (both couples are young with young kids – not in an age related vulnerable group)
Now when I deliver both households greet me at their front doors with the pre-covid cheer, and, unfortunately, accept change.
The latest mutant ninja fear-mongering is not hitting the mark as the past fear-mongering used to.
Good to hear.
That’s my impression. There are good and bad aspects to this. Good that people are not scared so much but bad that they are adapting to BS that would have been considered abnormal in 2019.
I loved the hand gestures in that video clip of the Italian restaurant chasing out the police.
Keep a diary listing everytime it happens – date, time, number of police, badge numbers if you can etc. even if they never speak to you
Once it’s happened 3 or 4 times make an official complaint for harassment, intimidation and destruction of business due to their presence affecting the business’ reputation to the force complaints department and the chief constable and threaten to take it higher if they do not give a satisfactory response.
Works – I was once stopped 3 times in the same day by the same traffic policeman but never given a ticket, complained about harassment, nice apology, traffic policemen would look a ay when I drove past his hidey hole.
If their answer contains words like guidance or guidelines point out these are not legally enforceable as have no force in law etc.
Ask for the evidence “covid safe” measures will work as they claim. Will post the FOI answer I get back from the HS+E about this very subject when I get it in a month or so.
Son last year was also stopped on numerous occasions walking the street by the same Polish policemen when he was there over the course of a week. Went to the station, complained, got really nice apology and the policeman a formal written warning.
Really looking forward to a coffee at your establishment as soon as possible.
Me too.
If I’m ever out and about delivering in Saffron Walden I’ll try and find the sceptic cafe in town to take a break.
I have got a plan kh. A lot of us would love to visit your coffee shop, but obviously we can’t travel because – well, you know why.
But there are exceptions. You can travel to get a covid test so why not pop along to your local testing centre, book about 20 tests and send them out to fellow LD sceptics.
We can then travel without getting arrested and when we get to Saffron Walden we will all get lost and end up at your cafe instead of the testing station!
Good one.
Complicity Terrorist?
Looks like https://happen.network/ has been taken down… A great video shame
The British Prime Minister is a convinced internationalist who believes in an international solution to SARS CoV 2.
Unfortunately he has been badly misled by his advisers and lacks the confidence or experience to gainsay them.
Standing together in this nonsensical way, the leaders of the free world will fall, not together, but like a row of dominos in sequence.
Once the PCR test at above 30 cycles is discredited, they are all doomed…..
Yes – Reiner Füllmich is going for that.
Good observation from sceptic Doctor in Ireland, Dr Marcus De Brun:
Genetically modify a Turnip and the Green Party get very upset.
Inject hundreds of thousands of healthy people with modified viral genes (mRNA),
and they think it’s a great idea.
The Greens it would appear are more interested in vegetables rather than people.
Brilliant analysis by the legal expert Dominic Ford.
I’ve always held the view that governments do not do saving lives; their primary aim is to hold onto power at any cost, hence ‘Save the NHS’ has always been their lead mantra because its collapse would mean political oblivion for the Party in power. But Dominic Ford’s piece highlights an important further reason why the government must ‘Save the NHS’: it is likely that they would be held liable for the damage done to patients who could not obtain treatment were it to collapse and the sick go untreated. In such a scenario the NHS’s (i.e. the Government’s) liabilities could run into trillions (say 5 million claimants each receiving on average of half a million, making a total of 2.5 trillion – PPS compensation which cost banks ~ 60 billion is chickenfeed in comparison.
Of course they have already restricted access to the NHS over the last 10 months. As the inevitable lawsuits emerge, it will be interesting to discover the extent to which they are found to be lliable to pay compensation. Worryingly, by having the State provide healthcare, the tax payer is exposed to huge liabilities; perhaps one of the reasons other countries avoid State healthcare but instead have private insurance as the default and a safety-net for those who cannot pay.
Well actually they don’t. AFAIK Canada, S Korea, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Spain, among others have government run systems rather like we do.
If liability is an issue, it’s cheaper to socialise it – or even better have a no-fault system like New Zealand, i.e. to avoid lawyers’ fees – than to require all hospitals to have a separate insurance policy.
So can we please stop arguing how to organise healthcare and get back to the removal of our human rights on 23 03 20. Whether we live in Norway or Canada with public healthcare or Switzerland or Germany with govt-regulated private healthcare, this is an issue. Thanks.
If the virus doesn’t really spread through fomites, then the dangers associated with wearing a mask are not that serious, making masks much more important.
I think you would need to be more explicit about your reasoning and evidence to persuade anyone who is not a believer in the magic of face masks.
Only if you believed the fomite transfer was the biggest danger before associated with masks before, which personally I never have.
For me the unanswered questions were – what impact do masks have on aerosol spread? What are the risks associated with bacteria/fungi/viruses on worn masks? Are cloth masks effective in any way? Do they make idiots think they’re safe, thus taking risks that they wouldn’t have otherwise e.g. going into work with a cold provided they are wearing a mask?
So those questions haven’t changed for me.
The touching of the mask spreads saliva and fluids around and increases the potency of your aerosol source because of its location and continuous inflow of breath. Essentially you build a bigger infection area to spread when you breathe.
Or the realisation that masks do little to interrupt the flow of aerosols, the sea of then if you will.
there are multiple mechanisms through which masks increase transmission
1 – encourages face touching
2 – encourages people to be closer because they cant hear what the fuck each other are saying
3 – people are closer through risk compensation – ie if people think masks are more effective than they think they are then they will over-compensate
4 – it turns large droplets into small ones
And the study i mentioned above invalidates your first point.
There are gentlemanly codes that we should all adhere to when posting here. The most important of which is to NEVER criticise the person speaking but only what they are saying. Which is why I say without fear or favour your comment is utter garbage.
Not sure what your problem is.
Masks are not, and never have been, about health and safety. They are about social control. If you believe the former then you are deluding yourself.
That’s pretty much off topic…
I agree Harry
More important for what? Societal control? Driving people insane? Developing deviant fetishes?
Likely the last mentioned one.
So if you are sat next to granny on public transport – don’t wear a mask
I saw a car the other day where the owner had put masks over the air ventilation outlets.
Not sure if they were taking the piss or were being serious, but I expect this might be a requirement in tier 6. Should probably leave all windows open too, and use two masks obvs
They had probably heard of the caged hamster study.
When I go shopping I don’t cough and I don’t sneeze. The only person I speak to is the cashier, who is behind a plastic screen. How exactly am I going to be spreading infected droplets all over the place?
But then what’s the harm of wearing one?
Start with the kids:
https://patriotrising.com/child-abuse-masked-schoolchildren-are-harmed-physically-psychologically-behaviorally-and-suffer-from-24-distinct-health-issues/
But that’s a very specific case. Are you harming kids in school when you’re shopping in your local Tesco?
Yes, because we are accustoming children, and other adults, to the insidiously dehumanising effects of mask-wearing.
As I mentioned there is no scientific proof of any benefit from masks – RCTs.
In the absence of that, you have to justify mask-wearing to me. I do not have to justify to you why I do not wish to wear one.
And, as i said, the benefits were offset by fomites, leading to 0 overall effect. Which part of “if fomites don’t spread the virus” do you not undestand?
Can’t you people just have a normal, simple conversation without getting out your pitchforks?
Another very specific case. Do you wear a face shield?
Of course you are.
You seem to have a very dismissive attitude to the deaf and people with disabilities. You seem to have no problem using their disabilities when it’s convenient to you, and then throw them away, discarded. Do you have a problem with disabled people? I’m not sure you using them when it’s convenient for you really called for.
Your flailing about is unconstructive. Your continued dismissal of disabled people is disturbing.
Look, it was fun throwing insults about. Imma get back on topic. Have a nice day.
I am also exempt. Do you want to call me a liar?
Please be warned that I am Ireland where the libel laws are vicious against someone making such a statement – that you are (I assume) not in Ireland would be no defence. In fact, Ireland sees itself as an ideal place to host worldwide defamation of character cases based on the internet being global.
What even is your point? What does any of this have to do with the topic we’re discussing? Do you usually butt into other conversations just to be offended by something that wasn’t addressed to you?
Since you can self-declare yourself to be exempt and no medical diagnosis is required, then, yes, he is exempt.
What’s your point and why is it so dreadfully off topic?
Some quality trolling today. It wasn’t off-topic at all. Someone said they were exempt and you made a sarcastic reply, implying that they weren’t. I pointed out that, by government guidelines, they are exempt. That is completely on-topic.
If it was just shopping and it ended there, I might comply but it doesn’t, ever, end there. First it was masks on public transport, then when shopping, then every time you stand up in a pub or restaurant. Next it might be masks every time you leave the house as has happened in other countries. And if you accept the logic of wearing masks now then why not every flu season? Sorry, but I don’t want to live in a society where we have to go around covering our faces all the time and I choose to make my stand here.
I don’t see what that has to do with the topic at hand.
? I thought my answer was clear enough. The harm of doing something that has little evidence of being beneficial is that it sets a precedent that leads to all sorts of nonsensical measures being taken. That has a lot to do with how we arrived in this whole mess.
Never said your answer is not clear. I said it wasn’t on topic. This argument is about the epidemiological pros and cons of wearing masks. It is besides the point to argue about the clear idiocy of ruling through decree, with no scientific backing.
We’ve had decades of research into whether mask wearing in the general public causes a reduction in the spread of respiratory illnesses. All the evidence is that it doesn’t. The WHO more or less admitted that they changed their advice, not because the evidence had changed, but because of “political pressure”. Masks are nothing more than a comfort blanket for the gullible and an arse-covering exercise for governments.
We’ve had decades of research, but up until this recent Danish study, there was barely any research around. Which is it?
Please find any post I have made which states there was barely any research around before the Danish study. I’m afraid I’m not responsible for arguments other people make.
I will you give you one example, mine. I can’t wear one due to something that happened to me years ago that I won’t go into here. Yet I potentially face harassment every time I go out, or at the very least dirty looks. For others it is a matter of pricipal. Why should they walk about looking like a bandit ?,just because the government wanted something else to show that the public were on side with the fear and lies. It is purely about control and nothing else.
A bit besides the point of our argument.
A few posts above – “But then what’s the harm of wearing one?”
Troll.
We are talking about the epidemiological pros and cons of wearing masks. Try and keep up.
There are none. There are zero pear reviewed studies that prove any epidemiological benefits in wearing a mask..Well not in the last 13 years,Zero so job please stop the trolling or go fuck yourself.
Because the benefits were offset by spreading the virus through fomites. But if that is not a risk AS THE RESEARCH IN THE ARTICLE INDICATES, then where exactly does that leave the studies?
I vote for it to do both.
Masks are self harming. They do not stop viruses, in fact the build up of bacteria on the mask is then inhaled and exhaled! Do some bloody research!
Only if you reuse the same mask over and over, without sterilizing. Do some bloody research.
Which, I would contend, most sheeple do. Telling people on this site to “do some bloody research” is probably the most asinine comment to make – most of us here are sceptic as the official line being spun makes no sense and we have analysed what has been said and checked the “evidence” in favour of the official line, before debunking it.
I didn’t tell “people” on this site to do research. I told one specific person that. Please stop being collectively offended.
Why wear something that offers no benefit? If others are scared, it is the others who need to grow up and learn that masks do not confer a benefit and, in fact, may nebulise droplets which, if a person is infected, make those droplets smaller and more easily absorbed by another person.
Our brains might suffer whatever the fuck happened to yours.
Exactly you won’t. You would know if you were ill but the government has convinced the sheeple they are infectious without symptoms
Important for what? I don’t get it
Containment
Comprehensively debunked already.
All RCTs show no measurable benefit of mask-wearing for either the wearer or hose around him.
Because they were believed to be offset by masks concentrating viral particles, which then led to increased spread through fomites.
The question is: Why are doctors wearing facemasks if they do nothing to stop aerosols or saliva?
Because that is the way things have always been done around here. Efficacy of facemasks in surgical settings has also been debunked long before COVID appeared.
If this thread will teach anyone anything, the lesson will probably be that even people on the side of truth, with evidence to back them, will still be for the most part incapable of forming a logical argument.
You haven’t even read what i said, and you come here on your high and mighty horse. Did you even read today’s article where it talked about the virus not spreading through fomites? Do you even have a basic clue about what i’m talking about? No, you’re just out here, arguing with me cause you feel like arguing, and you just like to invent crap. For starters, i have NO burden of proof because i’m NOT making any claims. I am drawing conclusions. So how about first get a clue about what i’m saying, then pretend to be all offended over nothing.
You seem to be clueless. Would you like to talk about it?
Don’t smoke that type of weed again, Cristi.
I’ve pretty much had enough of this. We are being bombarded with propaganda of the most sinister kind, the whole establishment is going along with the misrepresentations involved – and even exaggerating them. People are being deliberately killed by government policy, and virtually no-one is raising a finger to stop them – even such criticism as there is muted.
Democracy is finished. This IS 1984. Mandelson a couple of decades ago said we now live in a post-democratic world. Now you have the proof. And freedom of course is the first casualty.
I have a bad feeling that you may be right. Sometimes I suspect that others have figured this out but don’t want to admit it because it’s too awful to contemplate. Many, however, never really appreciated liberal democracy and probably won’t miss it. There was public opinion evidence showing the decline of support for liberal democracy in the last decade, but I didn’t realise it was this bad.
Local paper reporting 42 deaths in our local hospital trust yesterday. We on here know they didn’t just occur in the past 24 hours. This covers two hospitals, Frimley Park and Wexham Park (and also Heatherwood but don’t think they treat covid patients). 42 deaths a day in two hospitals would normally set the alarm bells ringing, it simply is not plausible.
Johnson singled out Yateley as having vaccinated over 90% of its over 80’s as well
90% is a meaningless number. According to https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/southeastengland/hampshire/E35001069__yateley/ there are 772 aged over 80. . 90% sounds significantly better than 700 or 0.04% of the population
Data from NHS England fatalities by hospital trust – No these deaths did not all occur over the last 24 hours – it normally takes about 5 days for the near complete reporting to take place – Frimley Health Trust which includes Frimley Park and Wexham Park Hospitals has been averaging 16 deaths per day over the last 10 days. Up from 4 or 5 deaths per day in December
Royal Berkshire has been averaging 3 deaths per day over the same time
. Hampshire hospitals (Basingstoke) is averaging 5 daily deaths and Royal Surrey Guildford is averaging two deaths per day
Obviously very sad for all concerned – but I do wish the local media would look at the actual figures
The data is available here – https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
There’s a curious irony in the fact that recently there has been an extraordinary focus on the legacy of slavery and its repercussions. Yet, in many countries, governments have instigated lockdowns which have had many of the same impacts as slavery. Materially,most of us may be better off now but in terms of freedom over our daily lives, I’m not so sure.
Serfdom would be closer. Or bondsman.
Work = safe and allowed. Recreation = unsafe and not allowed.
And black slaves were frequently made to wear masks.
American slaves were sometimes gagged as a punishment.
At least they knew they were slaves, knew they were being finished, and didn’t like either.
Also the early scandal that Covid impacted people of BAME backgrounds more. Ignoring the fact Africa has been largely unnoticed by Covid. Had to shoe horn it in somehow I suppose.
Vitamin D. Also explains why Finland has done better than it Nordic neighbours – they have been fortifying certain foods with Vitamin D since 2003.
Ooh, ooh, slave masks too !
The new German chancellor… anyone know his views on Covid?
Armin Laschet
For now he’s just the new CDU leader, not the Chancellor
Doubt he is a sceptic
I think the only sceptical voices in German politics are the AFD
Thanks Julian. I am not aware of the situation there.
He runs North-Rhine Westphalia, and in 2020 earned a reputation as a ‘lockdown dove’
Sorry rocko – excuse my ignorance, is it preferable to be a dove or a hawk?
I think according to the way the papers report it Doves are for lockdown and Hawks against.
To remember it Doves are in prisoned whilst Hawks fly free.
**imprisoned**
NRW is the most populated county in Germany and had quite high numbers, because there are a lot of people.
They were among the first to introduce mouthnosecoverings in upper schools during lessons, which the AfD successfully challenged. He also had a bad time when the Toennies outbreak happened.
When this all started last year, he most likely already was a candidate for chair of the CDU, so would have acted accordingly.
He is not the new Chancellor.
He is the candidate for chancellor in the election on 26th September.
Zoe update
new daily infections 46,218, 34% below the peak
R value latest = 0.75, continues sloping down just like it did in first wave – independent of any restrictions
I’ll say it again : ‘R’ : a ‘Ferguson number’
Rick, if you don’t understand something – ask.
I was prepared to help you out with your SKY News query but it’s a waste of time.
R is a very useful metric particularly if it’s used in a regional context.
Really, what are they infected with?
Or do you mean positive PCR tests?
self-reported symptoms on the Zoe app. This is the best data and if only this had been available we wouldn’t have had lockdown 1.
So people with colds. Seems about right for this time of year.
yes, people with colds of which covid-19 is one of about 200
we would expect 400,000 people a day to catch a new cold at this time of year. Zoe tries to separate covid-19 from the other colds through analysing self-reported symptoms. it won’t be perfect but I think is the best source of data
You’re right. Again, we trip over the problem that the monitoring of this virus has been rendered impossible by the (deliberate?) confusion over diagnosis, and the desire to maximise it for political reasons.
Love the question mark after ‘deliberate’ …
It’s not a cold. The effects of this disease are nothing like cold – or even flu symptoms.
Forget the PCR obsession, There are other sources of data. We’re losing the False Positive argument because there are plenty of people who are unwell.
… as there always are at this time of year.
I never remember anything like this. . I have 4 kids in 30s & 40s. They have dozens of cousins – similar age. This year is not normal.
No its not normal. The death rate is average but we have lost or civil rights and liberties, been in almost permanent lockdown, denied access to healthcare and surgery, children and students denied access to education, have lost 25% of our GDP and are heading get for mass unemployment. This is definitely not normal. What is normal is that at this time of year respira tory viruses colds and flu increase.
“…there are plenty of people who have been convinced that they are unwell with a killer virus” FTFY
Please – give it a rest. My son has been unwell – because he was very unwell. A 38 year old who, since the age of 2, has recovered from any illness within a couple of days and, in some cases, – a couple of hours.
yes, its definitely definitely not and definitely cant be annual seasonal flu – which shares the same symptoms and has now disappeared…
we know this because the PCR test tells us so
Are you quite sure they are the same symptoms?
I just wonder why, after watching my sons and daughters grow up into adults over the past 30 or 40 years with barely a sniffle, 2 of them are now experiencing quite nasty effects from this ‘flu’. FIVE of their cousins from the same family have been affected by it – one is still suffering from it 4 weeks on. Daughter’s partner (aged 40) threw up yesterday following a severe bout of coughing more than a week after he was bedridden with symptoms.
I could go on to friends & acquaintances but that would too ….. Sorry – I can’t accept that this is a ‘normal’ flu outbreak that just coincidentally happens to show up as positive result for SARS-CoV-2 in a PCR test.
Here’s a hint: If you want to convince people that Lockdowns are a bad idea – don’t treat them like idiots by telling them that there’s nothing abnormal going on.
Mayo,
I’m in NO way saying there isn’t anything doing the rounds, there most definitely is. I don’t want to catch it.
However, I caught something in January of 2019, I wasn’t bedridden but I had a cough and felt fatigued for over two months. I’ve also had flu three times and it’s NOT nice (understatement!). I’m pretty sure I had Hong Kong flu when I was young (my recollection of being off school and the year of the epidemic tie in) and I remember hallucinating while fevered. And yet my Mother doesn’t remember me having it and she doesn’t remember the flu epidemic, it was just another flu season and people ‘got on with it’. I should stress that my Mother’s memory is amazing, she showed me a school photograph a month or two ago of when she was around 14 and could name all the other pupils in her class, not something I’d be able to do!
Flu and Covid do share symptoms. However given the massive range of supposed Covid symptoms I’d argue it’s not one virus causing those symptoms.
DavidC
I had something when I was down in Portsmouth when i was 21 (over 30 years ago) – my throat was so bad i couldn’t, eat, I could barely drink water – for a week. I’ve never really been ill since so I’m not particularly susceptible to things.
i have friends and family all around the UK, none have been out of the ordinary ill over the last year – maybe that’s just luck, who knows.
where has annual flu gone?
I was reading something in here about high stress levels causing illnesses to be much worse as it effects your immune system. Fear is stress and the relentless fear porn on the media has certainly made many people extremely scared.
A good friend of mine, who’s son and girlfriend, living in his house, were unwell for a week – was unwell shortly after, not helped by relentless abuse from all his friends. But out of our group he was the most fearful of covid, More obedient of the first lockdown, slow to come out from behind the couch, and even when we all met up in November refused to shake hands – yet he is physically the toughest.
i did wonder if his mental state about covid may have made is illness worse – fear of potential death is likely bad for immune system.
Fear is definitely bad for immune system. ‘likely’, forsooth.
No, it’s not just the false positives.
PCR is useless for disease diagnosis.
SYMPTOMS are a pretty good guide to disease diagnosis. PCR has been a reasonable indicator of trend of infection incidence.
No it hasn’t. It’s been a reasonable indicator of massive testing using Ct of between 40 and 45 in the UK, where even Fauci has stated ‘Anything over 35 is basically picking up dead nucleotides’ producing a positive test result, NOT a case, NOT an infection necessarily and not necessarily symptomatic. A medical CASE is someone who is displaying symptoms and who might (but not necessarily) have to be admitted to hospital.
Given how often this has been repeated on LS Mayo, I’m surprised by your comment.
DavidC
Theme tune suggestion. Open Up by Leftfield or is it too soon?
Maybe the SAGE “it would be a disaster” remix
I’m Still Standing – Elton John
Still Unbroken – Lynryd Skynryd
We’re Not gonna Take It – Twisted Sister
For the other side:
Withered Hand of Evil – Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats.
Err, get out of town, AG.
I know but it’s the title and lyrics more than the artist and as Mrs Awkward tells me whenever she hears the song “Bruno from Strictly was very young in the video wasn’t he?” which is why I remember it.
Bruno ? Strictly ? Modern society’s reference points often WHOOOOOSH over my head these days.
The Knife – Genesis
Karn Evil 9 – ELP
I can’t vouch for the veracity of this but my wife’s sister says her grandchildren have been told ‘don’t expect to be back at school before April’,this is in Nottingham.
I think (know) each school is making it up on the hoof.
the responses have diverged so much from any scientific justification all we can say is ‘god alone knows’ – the politicians dont know. Edmunds from SAGE seems to be a zero-covid fan. there are others – Woolhouse said lockdown 1 was a massive mistake – surely he must think the rest are
I think someone richer than China needs to bribe WHO to say lockdowns are catastrophic from a health point of view
‘Richer than China’? Don’t they own most of America and Europe?
I wouldn’t be surprised. Would anyone?
A very power and vociferous minority of teachers will do everything in their power to continue to get paid for not working for as long as possible. And you’ll know that’s what they want because they will do everything in their power to sabotage online learning at the same time.
Keeping schools closed and denying children their education and social interaction is disgusting and can never be forgiven.
The government need locking up for the damage they are doing!
Sounds very plausible to me.
Children’s education, socialisation and mental health are critical – the children need to start protesting with boards in front of schools
And to think – just a few years ago, I was fighting (as a Chair of Governors) against fining parents for taking junior school children out of school for family holidays etc!
Now they can lose the best part of a year’s schooling on government diktat because of a fairly ordinary infection.
Very true
Undoubtedly true. The unions will be screaming about death and destruction again. There will be yet another new strain – or several. The teachers won’t go back until they’ve had the magic jab. April seems optimistic to me.
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donated R27 million to SAHPRA (part of the SA govt), about 90% of SAHPRA’s funding (as per SAHPRA’s financial records).
SAHPRA are the ones who banned Ivermectin in SA.
https://docdro.id/Y5aLeNz
As our pal Marianna at the BBC will tell you it’s all just a big coincidence that Mr Gates name keeps turning up.
Now these are waves. Not pandemic waves though as the graph shows Matt Hancock’s expenses which were £60,373.12 for the period shown. He even claims the Telegraph.
These are the latest figures. It will be interesting to see the next graph as the curve seems to be going ballistic in May 2020.
That is truly corrupt. MPso expenses should be capped at £5k a year. Anything else they should pay for themselves
I get worried by alternative hysteria such as this Conservative Woman article :
“Covid policies will kill more than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined”
It really doesn’t help.
Rick,
I am not sure she’s wrong.
Whether she should articulate it in the manner she does is another question.
If you doubt what I say is true then start with this:
https://www.news18.com/news/world/covid-19-lockdown-may-lead-to-devastating-surge-in-tb-cases-warns-study-2607459.html
It is the economic effects of lockdowns and disruption of education which will lead to lliving standards being lower than they would otherwise have been for the forseeable future – paricularly in poor countries.
Just to sty in the UK, I think for a start that tens of thousands of people with cancer are going to die earlier than they would otherwise have done, due to missed or delayed treatments and screenings.
..and that’s just one disease in one country.
Yes – but that’s about untreated disease and ancillary deaths – not ‘killing’.
Sorry – I just think that precision is important in countering imprecision and deliberate falsehood.
I agree, she needs to express herself better.
Perhaps best to stick to the simple line that the measures kill more than ‘covid’
Best to leave Hitler and Co. out of it.
You might question the cancer business just as you may be willing to question covid business.
There are some who will awaken responsibility as a result of being thrown back on their resources.
Iatrogenic disease is killer no3 in Uk and USA – and perhaps in other developed markets.
How spiritually resilient are people when their ‘world falls apart’?
We are finding our/actively engaged.
Waking responsibility for consciousness and health – or succumbing to fear.
So while under mainstream belief you are right, there are other ways to see and live that a mainstream narrative denies. I do not reinforce the nocebo effect of mass hypnosis.
Start a new education process (or deepen our education process).
Yes – but accepting the basic thesis, I reckon it’s wrong, and a wrong parallel.
Yes – we all do it, I know
I agree. Plays into the hands of those who are all too ready to portray us as swivel-eyed.
Of course it does – or rather increases vulnerability. But get into that sort of argument, and you are immediately defusing the core issues about Covid.
It’s a different strand of argument – on the Cost/Benefit dimension.
If Economy is crashed, food and energy shortages, Boris’s genes haven’t yet been reorganised as Solyent Pork – how do you see it panning out?
QE or UBI for the masses presumes something in the shops to buy.
I don’t feel for hysteria either, but rather to bring the fear into awareness.
People have to learn for themselves that indulging emotions does not help and actively undermines consciousness, communication, action and fulfilment of need.
So this virus has an extraordinarily super-bionic infection rate yet is spreading through the population soooo slooowwwwllllyyyy…..
We are told that a reasonable level of herd immunity could not have been achieved at the end of last spring, as the death curve suggests/screams, because mass PCR testing tell us so.
We know it is definitely covid and not the seasonal flu, that shares the same symptoms, because mass PCR testing tell us so.
erm… where has seasonal flu gone?
There are so many contradictions. It would be nice to collate them.
Masks/ distancing works for flu doesn’t work for COVID….
Not only that.
Masks also seem to have contained flu in Sweden and Belarus, although hardly anyone is wearing them there.
In Cambodia, people have been wearing masks. However, people there are still getting flu.
No daths from covid in Cambodia however.
It seems that countries either get flu or covid, but not both.
Remember back in the day every winter some ‘bug/virus’ would break out and we took some medicine or spent a few days in bed then carried on? Yeh me too!
““If a lockdown worked the first time, why are we doing it again? If a lockdown didn’t work the first time, why are we doing it again?”
https://twitter.com/stacey_rudin/status/1350266743252529157
so true
Worse. Three lockdown later we’re back at square one same slogan same everything. Clearly lockdowns, masks, social distancing haven’t had any effect at all. One must question whether there is a virus at all.
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Hanging on in quiet desparation is the English way.
(One of the more depressing,if true, sets of lyrics from the mighty ‘Floyd.)
I actually think that is exactly what a lot of people are doing.
I often think of the history of the barbarians, how they were people who did not want to live in a ‘civilised society’ and preferred to live as outsiders. They were, and continue to be, demonised as mindless beasts. It was propaganda to pull outsiders into the control of tax systems.
And so it seems to me that even if we were to go live off-grid and effectively become ‘barbarians’ the state would track us down and force us to conform to Covid.
In the opening scene of “Gladiator” I always cheer for the Germanic tribes who just want to live free in their forests.
Yes, Gladiator is a good example. And it shows what happens once the barbarians are pulled back into society: they’re enslaved and made to fight each other.
The Germanic tribe’s forest was just outside Farnham, Surrey.
We had Neil Ferguson on LBC this morning. Matt Frei managed to interview him for half an hour without asking a single difficult question such as: –
Ah well, back to Talk Radio!
I meant “without extra restriction”!
The important difficult question: Didn’t you step down as disgraced government adviser?
The fundamental one is why does he think his modelling should be applied to the real world when it’s not validated or verified? Would he like his water quality to have the same standards?
One that I’d like to see him – or indeed anyone, Labour or Conservative – answer is: tell us exactly how many lives lockdowns save. Or indeed, can they produce anyone in public & say, ‘lockdown saved this person &/or their families’ life?’ we can surely see the other side of the equation; we are seeing how many lives are being totally destroyed.
Year to date number of deaths and age-standardised mortality rates, deaths registered between 1 January and 30 November 2001 to 2020, England
Year Number of deaths Rate per 100,000 population
2001 454,756 1,227.9
2002 454,687 1,216.1
2003 454,801 1,207.8
2004 436,209 1,146.0
2005 437,603 1,134.7
2006 432,515 1,105.2
2007 429,654 1,082.7
2008 425,657 1,060.0
2009 416,450 1,018.3
2010 416,028 997.7
2011 412,119 968.0
2012 427,111 982.3
2013 433,578 979.5
2014 422,396 933.6
2015 452,814 985.6
2016 448,167 958.2
2017 456,588 959.8
2018 467,149 965.7
2019 452,084 915.0
2020 517,148 1,029.4
Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020 .
copied this from a post from yesterday, some simple adding up and dividing gives average annual deaths per 100000 over the last 20 years is 1042, higher than last years (inc pandemic deaths) of 1029 per 100000
Are these figures based on age standardised mortality rates per 100,000? I am looking at the crude mortality rates per 100,000 which appear significantly lower in comparison to 2020.
I presume age standardised is preferred as it takes into account an aging population? A factor the media are not considering?
I copied and pasted everything down to and including the link from a post in yesterday mornings comments – i don’t know if the title is correct
Yes, these are age-standardised. The figures for January to December are due to be released on 18 January, so then we will have the age-standardised mortality rate per 100,000 for England and Wales, for the whole of 2020.
Notice how mortality rates turn after 2014
Notice how low it was in 2019, helping to create a ‘dry tinder’ effect for 2020.
If you average out 2019 and 2020, the mortality is completely in line with previous years, despite the mortality-increasing effects of lockdown – expulsions from hospitals etc.
absolutely
Getting a 404 on that link.
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/01/15/latest-news-255/#comment-357491
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020
Thanks, got it now.
2 legal teams to know:
Francis Hoar’s legal team: clerks@fieldcourt.co.uk
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Deaths in week 51 2019 in England and Wales (no bank holidays to skew figures): 11,926.
Same week 2020: 13,011
Hundreds of people a day are not dying “of” Covid.
It’s dawned on me that whatever happens, I will never get my old life back.
First and foremost, because a country in which the horrors we have seen are actually conceivable is not the country I thought I was living in.
Secondly, because for the rest of my life I shall know that these horrors can be inflicted again, at the drop of a hat.
Thirdly, because I have utterly lost faith in human nature. I didn’t realise that cowardice, stupidity and vindictiveness were its chief constituents.
Fourthly, because pretty well every institution and human association that I consciously or unconsciously put any faith in has turned out to be stinking rotten. Worst of all, the church. Second worst, the Welsh nation. Somewhere far behind, venomous tiddlers like the National Trust. At the bottom, government. I never thought of myself as naïve where governments were concerned, but until this horror began, I vaguely considered that western democratic governments were rather benevolent than otherwise. I was not just naïve, but blind and bonkers.
Fifthly, because I am known to be a sceptic and a non-mask wearer and so a lot of local people hate me, and will continue to do so.
Sixthly, because it seems unlikely that any of the social activities I used to enjoy will ever resume. The belief that other people are walking sprayguns of Death has taken such a firm hold that it will never lapse, especially if we get annual lockdowns, as now seems likely. Even activities that can, to some extent, be pursued alone have lost their savour. For example, I spent years enthusiastically learning Welsh, because I thought it was the language of a proud and cultured nation. But now – why bother to engage with the language of a nation of cowards and dolts?
Ah well. I’m in my mid-sixties. By the grace of God I have lived most of my life in what I was deluded enough to think was a free country. I’ve done most of the things that I wanted to do, and seen most of the things that I wanted to see. By the mercy of God, I have no children or grandchildren who will have to live for many years in this horrible new prison world. By the kindness of God and through undeserved good fortune, I still have a home and a partner and a dog and a horse. I am fortunate.
And it may be that the new life will have its compensations. Hard to believe, but you always have to rebuild something on the ruins.
Perhaps, even, life is still a great adventure. In any case, I still prefer it to death. And if my being still alive annoys people, that’s all to the good.
Annie, I find myself in the unusual position of feeling I need to perk you up.
I agree with your senstiments about human nature and institutions etc, but do not think this situation is permanent.
It is economically/financially unsustainable, and people are gradually coming round.
It is only permanent if it reaches some kind of steady equilibrium, and that is not the case- Those responsible have started a cascade of effects they can neither foresee nor control.
Certainly hit the nail on the head there, it’s unsustainable people are becoming pissed of slowly but surely the tide will turn of that their is no doubt.
I hope you’re right, rockoman.
A very moving piece of elegiac prose, Annie.
I too have passed 60 now and feel glad to have more years behind than before me. The loss of nearly everything I thought to be stable only a year ago is a waking thought every day and the weight of it becomes more oppressive as the day wears on. My disappointment at how this has exposed the reality of human nature is perhaps the worst thing of all. The realisation of how gullible, wilfully ignorant and spiteful ordinary people actually are is deeply upsetting. We know this now and we can never un-know it so how can there ever be normal life again?
That’s the way I don’t see my life returning to Normal. I was no longer the idealist of my youth and had become pretty cynical over the years – but Lockdown has put the tin lid on it for me. From here on in – I’ll remember that there are a higher proportion of nasty people out there than I thought there was (those Covid Snoops) and one heck of a lot more gullible people than I thought there was and/or without a backbone to them. There has been an element of “What will people think?” about ensuring I kept up certain standards (eg home and personal grooming) but now I’m thinking “Why should I bother what many of them think? – as they certainly don’t care about me”.
This is also certain to make me continue to be very prickly and suspicious in the future: less trusting of normal bonhomie and waiting for that moment when I realise that the person I’m talking to is actually a zombie pretending to be a human being.
Stirring stuff Annie. Thankyou for telling it straight.
Brilliantly put, thank you.
The fundamental change that has occurred in our lifetime is the snapping of our link to the chain of common sense, that chain forged by uncountable past generations and comprised of accumulated wisdom and human survival advice. I sensed that our link was being weakened from about the 80s and finally snapped around mid- 90s. Once broken it has gone forever!
Thankyou for this phenomenal post, Annie. You have summed up so much of what I feel.
I really enjoy reading your posts Annie and this is the best yet.
Oh, how this resonates with me right now! But there IS much to see and appreciate. This is a new beginning and it WILL get better, it’s mean’t to. Everything happens for a reason.This is a very hard time at the moment, a very crunchy time as we watch all the old systems being dismantled in front of our eyes, breaking down everything we knew, that appeared comfortable but was in fact not working anymore. See this as a transition into a great awakening. I can absolutely assure you millions are going through the same right now, and we’re ALL feeling this, and its NO bad thing! Humanity is ascending into a higher state of consciousness, and what threatens our dark overlords is our light. Nothing can hold this back, not even them, in fact they are unwittingly helping this by exposing their plans to us now. We need to watch, observe, feel and move forward, and do it with love and truth, taking everyone with us, even those who disagree with us. It’s hard and it’s going to get harder but we will win.
Thank you, Helena, let’s keep our eyes on the light.
Every so often, few generations or even centuries or so, a society has to re-invent itself – as if the old one doesn’t work any more and the new has to come in. Think of a crab which has to shed its old shell and go into hiding until it gets a new one as it grows bigger.
Someone described the American Civil War as a society being crucified so that it could be reborn. The same could be said about the English Civil Wars. Maybe that’s what’s happening now. Our society had been going badly wrong for say quarter of a century now. We have to re-invent ourselves. And that isn’t painless – the old has to be purged to make way for the new. Maybe we are going through this now. People need to be brought face-to-face with what has been going on around them: and when they wake up from their hysteria they will do so. It isn’t going to be pretty but maybe it’s the rebirth our society needs.
There will be much collateral damage along the way, but I remain confident the light will prevail.
Wow Annie – that’s so powerful and moving.. I feel the same but have a daughter and watching her suffering through this is what hits me the hardest- the realisation that it may be a long time before she can find a job / be with friends again/ see a film in the cinema / just live a life.. it’s shattered our lives and picking up the pieces doesn’t seem to be important to anyone directing this insane disaster movie..
I pray daily for the young ones, the babies and the little children.
Heck, I don’t actually like babies. But the thought if them coming into a world without faces appals me.
This too will pass:
Only a man harrowing clods
In a slow silent walk
With an old horse that stumbles and nods
Half asleep as they stalk.
II
Only thin smoke without flame
From the heaps of couch-grass;
Yet this will go onward the same
Though Dynasties pass.
III
Yonder a maid and her wight
Come whispering by:
War’s annals will cloud into night
Ere their story die.
Thomas Hardy
Don’t make me cry!
Last week when I checked for a relative so I could explain the difference between the “day reported” and “day of death” numbers the number of “covid” deaths for the 7th Jan 2021 was 242.
I checked the numbers for the 7th Jan today it shows 780 although I have noticed the 2 tabs on the graphs have changed from last week where they were “day reported”a nd “day of death” and are now “national” and “country” using a link I saved so makes it harder to backtrack the changes.
This showed her what I meant by the numbers being revised as the paperwork goes through the system and this proves the daily headline numbers being reported and used to keep the restrictions going are a lot of bullshit and this is where the scary 1300+ numbers disappear to eventually.
Now she’s a sceptic and starting to question.
Annoyed a few others in the family who say I’m turning her to the dark side or grooming her like a pedophile 9She’s 74) would but as it’s the first time in year’s they actually spoken to me do I care what they think?
Do I fuck!
Re Dominic Ford’s article on the potential liabilities of the NHS, I am confused by his assertion, “Potential claimants should also be aware that it is insurance companies, not the NHS itself, which pay the costs of such claims therefore the alleged ‘hero’ status should not be a deterrent”. I always understood that the NHS does not have cover and they pay out of a common pot that is funded by the various Trusts that make up the NHS.
My understanding is supported by reports such as from the BBC in 2020 which included this quote: “Dr Christine Tomkins, its chief executive, said: ‘This is money that should be going to healthcare, but instead is going to compensation claims – which is impairing all of our access to healthcare.'”
It is paid by insurance that quote is emotional blackmail. Not only that people have a tight to new compensated for medical negligence. In my previous career I worked with an insurance Loss Adjuster working solely on claims against the NHS.
This is from my employer:
8. Sharing of inappropriate information on Social Media
It is essential that people receive the correct information; so we are asking that staff do not post or share inappropriate information on social media regarding anti-vaccine and conspiracy theories.
As many of you will have seen, conspiracy theories about the origin, severity and prevention of Covid-19 have grown on social media. False claims are now also being circulated among anti-vaxxer groups around the Covid-19 vaccine.
To help, the BBC has put together some useful ‘Reality Check’ information and advice around false vaccines claims, which can be found here. There is also a link to the Gov.uk website Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine – NHS (www.nhs.uk).
The reasons why people choose not to vaccinate are complicated, and it is advised that staff take a non-confrontational approach when you see these posts on social media.
As key workers, we are trusted advisers and influencers of vaccination decisions, and we must provide trusted, credible information on vaccines where possible.
Will these ‘trusted advisors and influencers’ give an accurate answer when asked about the toxicity profile of the vaccines, particularly the % of Grade 3-5 SAE’s of the Moderna effort?
Not an earthly…
It’s precisely what I am going to ask when the time comes.
Do they know they are giving an unlicensed product with the vaccine? Trusted advisors, eh?
I have read two bits of vaccine propaganda on FB allegedly shared by healthcare professionals. Neither piece read as genuine.
This was my response to the above:
“I was disappointed to read the exhortation about social media posts.
I find the language, conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers, unnecessarily provocative and disingenuous.
Would you consider the likes of Professors Henighan, Gupta and Lee, Dr Claire Craig Dr Malcolm Kendrick and Dr Sam Bailey conspiracy theorists? The latter two are GPs in the U.K. and New Zealand respectively. The others are clinical pathologists and epidemiologists.
The whole lockdown scenario has, in my opinion, been correctly questioned. This has never been done in past pandemics (1968/69 Hong Kong flu for example) so why now? The justification was based on a questionable computer model and came in after the infection rate was starting to drop off.
There are valid concerns about the vaccine and its efficacy.
Malcolm Kendrick is a GP and hospital doctor who has raised concerns about the vaccine, particularly the lack of testing and the speed it was produced.
The end date for the all trial data is 18 months or more away, leading people to think that the current vaccination programme forms part of the trial itself. This concern is made worse because the age group currently being vaccinated were not represented in the original trials. Another concern is that the vaccination requires informed consent, which involves identifying all of the risks, some of which have not been quantified with “unknown” being the written response from the manufacturers. The benefits also have to be expressed, and it is known that the vaccine does not induce immunity but mitigates against severity of symptoms (in this respect it is akin to the flu vaccine). Another risk that has not been assessed in the older age group is the possibility of an overreaction of their immune system (cytokine storm or sepsis).
There are concerns about the ingredients in the vaccine, some are cultural (certain cultures request prescribed medication that doesn’t contain gelatine for example) and some are unfounded.
I would argue that anti vaxxer is an emotional term. Parents, in particular, have concerns about vaccines in their children which can be hopefully alleviated.
However, when multiple clinicians raise questions about a vaccine then they should be listened to. To do so is not anti vaccination but common sense.
The vaccine programme has now gone completely away from the manufacturers advice, with mix and match between different vaccines, single doses instead of double doses, second doses given after an extended period.
People think they are immune immediately after a single dose when there is a question over whether recipients are able to spread the virus or not.
Finally, the world health organisation has changed the definition of herd immunity from being achieved through previous infection plus vaccination to being achieved through vaccination only.
When organisations move the goal posts like this then people do begin to question the reason why, which leads to “conspiracy theories” ( fio conspiracy theory was a term created by the CIA in the 1960’s in response to Americans questioning the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963).
Just to clarify,
I have had my vaccinations, and was a recipient of a trial vaccination in the early 1960’s (polio); however the late 1950’s/early 1960’s were also renowned for one of the biggest medical blunders when a drug was licensed based entirely on the test data from the manufacturers, the drug being thalidomide.”
Surely, impartial accurate information is what ought to be offered?
I’d heartily recommend the (American) Unsafe Space guys, Keri Smith and Carter Laren, particularly their Covfefe Break stream. Great videos, still on yt, just. Worth a watch. Telling it how it is. Most stuff you will know and some you won’t but cheery and outspoken, some Covid but also the broader SJW stuff and may lift the mood perhaps.
https://youtu.be/pbvdp5PMBao
“Hot tub horror as maniac goes on rampage” – main headline in today’s Derby Telegraph.
Is this a slight return to normality in the world of trashy newspapers? Probably not, but it makes a change from “Covid horror engulfs city hospital”. I made that one up, but it’s not untypical.
You can catch hit Covid from a hot tub.Stands to reason.
Was it Lenin who spoke of useful idiots of the capitalists selling the rope he was going to hung them with?
Perhaps the Western oligarchs should call the following useful idiots, Starmer, Labour party, Guardanistas, independent SAGE?
Who would profit most of endless lockdowns?
It is beyond belief than any liberal, progressive, leftist can support the biggest assault on working class/middle class ever
there must be money in them there lockdowns
Zhong’s done well!
You omitted the Tory Party.
They are not useful idiots,they are plain idiots
Useful Idiots described those whose actions helped the Bolsheviks though they would be cast aside as soon as was convenient.
SAGE proper clearly fit this.
Disgraceful, where’s the diversity?
This might seem a bit random, but given I’ve nobody else to talk to I’ll just state my fundamental principles. We all look closely at evidence and death counts etc, and I firmly believe all logic and reason is on our side.
However, to me, if Covid was ten or twenty or fifty times more deadly than it is, if the streets were strewn with corpses, lockdown would still be an act of abominable evil. It is better to die than to live like this.
That’s it.
Agreed!
With the exception of:
“It is better to die than to live like this.”
If it were a permanent state – yes.
But it isn’t.
Those responsible, have unleashed a chain of consequences, which, as I mentioned previously to Annie, they can neither predict nor control.
My only hope (and prayer) is that it’s not permanent.
You are right about looking too closely at the statistics and this has been a a problem from day one. You have to look – or at least try – to see it from a distance to understand how ludicrous the vast majority of these ‘measures’ are to keep us safe really are. However, if your second point was true there would be no real need for instrcuctions and diktats as folk would naturally take steps to keep themselves as safe as possible anyway. The main problem is that governments are still sucessfully selling that type of worst case scenario even though it is nothing like it and never has been. The fact that people cannot take on board that Covid 19 isn’t dangerous for the very large percentage of society is one of the biggest mysteries about the who s@*t show.
Propaganda is a powerful tool.
Whilst I think the scientific arguments are important, I would like to see more debate around the moral justification (lack of).
Totally agree
Freedom is not an absolute but it has a very high value
It’s very hard to come up with any scenario in which compulsion would be at the same time justifiable and necessary
It’s the harder of the arguments to make though – easier to just point out virus is not as dangerous as first thought and lockdowns don’t help anyway
People seem not to value freedom that much
As has been said so many times before, if such a situation were to arise, people would adjust their own behaviour accordingly without any instruction at all.
During Londons great plague of 1665 it was peoples own neighbours who locked plaguies inside their houses.
Nailed the doors and windows tight from the outside, they needed little instruction.
Don’t give them ideas, K.
Exactly. I’d also add that if the streets were strewn with corpses, lockdown would be entirely unnecessary since everyone would stay indoors of their own volition.
… but while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
seem HERE no painful inch to gain,
far out, through creeks and inlets making,
comes silent, flooding in, the Main!
It may be closer than it looks.
It’s certainly better to accept a (minimal) risk of covvideath than to live like this.
If it were pneumonic plague I’d doubtless rearrange my priorities.
Cristi.Neagu (downpage) is advocating for mask-wearing, presumably because he or she thinks that a respiratory pandemic is going around.
Let’s make it clear to him/her that in the absence of scientific evidence – and in science that means randomized, controlled trials- for the benefits of mask-wearing, that the onus is on him/her to justify to us why we should wear one.
WE do not have to justify not wearing one.
The thing is we do have multiple trials throughout the west now. We have the perfect comparison between North and South Dakota. They don’t work.
You mean to say those creepy crow-like herb poltice masks of mediaeval day really served no purpose? It is as though centuries of common knowledge has been proved right.
These scientist fellows are mighty. Reliable only to cause dangerous confusion at the moments when crystal clear clarity is required. I wonder what motivates scientists to cause, or silently concur with, such dangerous practices. I presume arrgoance of looking from high across the peaceful, loving people. Perhaps an inner knowing they are a fraud keeps others silent.
It is a laughable absurdity of the human condition that glorified alchemists can seperate off up the arsehole of logic with such myopic obsession they think of themselves as rightful leaders of billions. If fact these people are nothing more than an opinion.
Which is why I told him that his comment was ‘utter garbage’.
I challenged Cristi, pointing that s/he would have to be explicit about their reasoning and evidence to persuade people. S/he responded by claiming they were not trying to persuade anyone, and asserted they had been as explicit as it was possible to be.
This is a question I like to pose now and then:
When was the last time, before 2020, that social distancing and mask-wearing was imposed on a population?
Answer:
By the authorities in Guantanamo Bay on their captives, when the prison camp opened following 2001.
We have heard that diabetics have greater risk for C-19.But not all. Those with treatment metformin seems paradoxically have a very low risk of mortality from C-19,amost protective. There are even more studies showing this. Now great interest to see if the drug/part of the drug could be useful for C-19 treatment
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666756820300337
Metformin and risk of mortality in patients hospitalised with COVID-19: a retrospective cohort analysis
If it is effective Swedenborg, then presumably it will get the HCQ or Ivermectin treatment.
Swedenborg, have you seen any mention of methotrexate as a potential treatment for acutely ill patients? One of my daughter’s medical team mentioned back in March/ April that they thought methotrexate might stop the immune system going into overdrive but I have seen no mention of it since.
Methotrexate, like HCQ, is used for rheumatoid arthritis treatment. It is much more toxic than HCQ but does suppress an inflammatory response.
Metformin linked to Vitamin B12 deficiency, pernicious anaemia
https://dailyhealthpost.com/side-effects-of-metformin/
Does anyone else feel the Salisbury cathedral mass vaccination of the elderly to dramatic organ music sounds like a satanic Hammer horror film? Just me then ..
What – is that real??
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/salisbury-cathedral-covid-vaccine-orchestra-live-music-b1788284.html
I think……we’ve all lost it…..the New Abnormal
I went to a funeral back in November. Social distancing, masks (not me, only one not wearing one, boosted my self respect no end!) no singing. Vicar was dressed all in black with his black face mask right up to his eyeballs. He looked like the vicar from hell!
Satanic Hammer horror 2…the sequel!
I know what you mean. It’s people talking, lecturing, issuing diktats, whatever – still wearing these muzzles that I find HUGELY offensive.
I’m going to start ignoring anyone who speaks to me through a muzzle. I can’t tell them to remove it, but I don’t have to hear what they’re saying. My tinnitus will suddenly get worse….
I saw that at a churchyard wedding at the height of summer.
Did the happy couple take their masks off to kiss? In all the madness going on I’ve yet to see a mask to mask kiss—-but there’s time yet I suppose!
Yes – a bit like the history of religion – one cult takes over the forms of others – even to the extent of undermining its own belief system. It’s a fascinating study.
An extension is the way in which quite sophisticated philosophical models degrade into primitive dogma and ritual. Daoism is a classic example, as well as the obvious example of the developing power structures of early Christianity post-Constantine.
Primitive emotion and ‘authority’ always wins out. The Catholic Church has survived well over a millennium on a takeover based on it.
No wonder the adoption of the authority of lockdown and masking has been adopted so widely and enthusiastically by the churches – the emotional roots are their bread and butter.
Anti lockdown music video
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AriMzkJduHRn/
Can anyone shed any light on this? What material are swabs made of nylon? Or?
Nanotech on Covid Swabs?
At first I thought it was a wind up or a foil hat wearer, but the longer you watch it the more bizarre it looks. Is it just nylon fibres & static? Is there a simple explanation? Anyone.
I thought cotton buds were made with…cotton. One of the buds in the (poor quality) video is a regular cotton bud (the blue one) – the other is difficult to see whether it is a nasopharyngeal one or not (it would have to be much longer than the blue one if it is a nasopharyngeal bud). Individual fibres showing electrostatic charge sounds quite reasonable to me.
DavidC
Indeed we have no idea what it was they were filming, my first thought was static but then was curious what it is they are getting people to prod their brain with.
I saw a report a self administered test caused Cerebrospinal fluid to drip from someone’s nostril, again don’t know if that was true either.
I’ve maintained from the very beginning that the PCR tests are completely useless and as for the things they stick up your nose? A pipe cleaner shoved up your backside would be just as accurate.
Sssh! Before you know they’ll be DOING that!
DavidC
I think they’re working on that … https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/16/smart-toilets-will-use-anal-fingerprints.aspx
The point of the swab jam and scrape is to collect the most massive possible sample of genetic material to submit to the PCR process.
This means the chain reaction can brew up more gunk, which means there is a higher probability of a “positive” result.
All quite simple really.
All I have heard is:
“We need to test, test, test”
LOL. Thanks for giving me a chuckle.
I know I only watched it for a laugh, but then it made we wonder what they were stuffing up peoples noses.
I’ve no idea what “morgellons” are.
I was just emailing my sceptic relative, and said I was utterly sick of that coercive word ”covid”.
I think I shall re-name it COERCID.
Reclaim it !
Reason for all bad things that happen – covid.
Why the weather is pretty damp and chilly – covid.
Kids are misbehaving because – covid.
Out and about this morning to find that a person of little obvious talent has taken over the Graham Norton Saturday morning Radio 2 slot.
Instead of asking her guests ‘so where in the world would you like to visit?
She has to precede it with
‘when you are allowed, when this is all over, when there are no more cases . . .’
I spent the rest of the morning listening to my Best Of The Damned CD, loudly
In other words, never…
I doubt if she knows, just following instructions to mention the Covid as often as possible in that ‘am I really Really your best friend ever ?’ voice.
Not the Saturday morning show, I know, but if I ever need to get up a bit earlier through the week, I set the radio alarm for Zoe Ball’s show. She’s so annoying and vapid (depsite her breathless ‘enthusiasm’) it gets me up straight away as I just HAVE to turn her off! That million plus a year well spent by the BBC!
DavidC
Very good!
I absolutely loathe her.
Irony ?
This is what happens when you listen to the BBC unfortunately.
The Dammed CD sounds like a good alternative.
I prefer to watch paint dry than watch any MSM TV too.
The Damned. Great choice and a great band that I have seen many times.
We are focused on death rates here, but it will be interesting to watc bith rates now, as all childre now born were conceived after the beginning of ‘the madness’
Chris Hamilton at his blog:
https://econimica.blogspot.com/
says that pregnancies plunged after things began, which accords with my expectations, but doesn’t give a source.
I’ve been on about this since the start. Article on the Telegraph the other day predicting the lowest UK birth rate ever this year.
It is very, very difficult to restore collapsed birth rates. Sometimes the damage is permanent.
Jeremy Vine discussed this a couple of times, same conclusion.
I would imagine very few new relationships have formed, and many existing relationships have been destroyed before their due time
Another aspect of this social experiment/torture that is rarely discussed
Not had a meaninful conversation with a woman in 10 months and counting. Tough to breed in these circumstances.
Concur. even tougher when you look at dating sites/apps, and see probably about 1/3 of profiles who have only half a face displayed, the other half being ‘proudly’ masked up! Another third use their profile text not to display any attractive qualities about themselves, but to point out that they voted Remain well over 4 1/2 years ago….it really is a jungle out there!
Thankfully, I haven’t seen this as I gave up on dating sites a long time ago. Trying to form a conversation against one word replies is about as pointless as these lockdowns.
Are you using “conversation” in its archaic, euphemistic sense?
Yes, that horrible practice of times gone by.
Ferguson managed a bit of “criminal conversation, ” I recall.
Births this year estimated to be the lowest since 1900 at 569 000 .
724 000 in 2011.
DT yesterday
But who cares about the future in todays current death culture.
The impact of a lower birth rate would be particularly bad for Scotland.
For years now the population growth has been relatively flat. This is not good from a GDP perspective, simplistically in order to increase GDP you increase population and/or productivity.
Scotland has relied heavily on immigration/foreign workers to pump up the numbers. I’m fairly sure this is a major consideration in wanting to stay part of the EU with the freedom of movement that comes with it.
Just another notch on the bedpost of bad outcomes arising from how we’ve dealt with this virus.
They are likely to be plunging – people don’t like to make babies in times of crisis, and there has even been strange advice going around to avoid sexual intercourse and to masturbate instead because of the dread contagion.
At least with the latter you can’t accuse the govt of ‘don’t do as I do’.
Sex is great but you can`t beat the real thing!
In China, SARS was spread by aerosolized toilet water sitting in stinking plumbing systems in degenerating tenement housing stock.
It’s actually why you can’t catch SARS-COV by not wearing a mask in a supermarket.
Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past
Just a quick thank you to BeBopRockSteady, Will. steve_w, wilko and julian for their responses to my query yesterday regarding Sweden and it suffering no worse than lockdown countries.
DavidC
The extra deaths in Sweden are about 5% of what Ferguson’s model suggested they would be, if that.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/
Don’t mention ‘extra deaths’. Deaths simply vary over time and geography.
The question is simply whether any particular variation is unusual.
There’s a fella I deliver Chinese food to, very regularly before the coronabollox – in his 40’s, living alone with a son that comes to stay – he was usually the last delivery of the night as, after work, and being very sociable, he’d be seeing his many acquaintances for banter and camaraderie before heading home. He always seemed happy, full of banter and healthy looking, carrying no extra weight, naturally fit.
I hadn’t seen him for a few months until i delivered to him a few weeks ago. He was miserable, said he had long covid, said he had no energy……
Seems to me – sat alone in his house every evening drinking, without the usual crack with friends, what he is actually suffering from is depression – many people require social contact to survive.
Sounds like me.
Sounds highly likely.
Segment from RFK Jr’s CHD:-
3. Downplaying vaccine risks:
The true risk of vaccine injury will continue to be obscured by the habit among public health officials of routinely dismissing reported injuries as unrelated to vaccination.
The practices of systematically overestimating vaccine safety, underestimating vaccine deaths, and exaggerating risks of COVID-19 effectively deprive the public of their right to informed consent.
And so what do we really know about the true risk of COVID-19 vaccines?
Public health officials and industry spokespeople like to say that the risks of serious injury from vaccination are “one in one million.. However, in the first week of distribution, Americans took 200,000 COVID vaccines and reported 5,000 “serious” (meaning missed workdays or medical intervention required) injuries.
This is an injury rate of 1 in every 40 jabs. This means that the 150 shots necessary to avert one mild case of COVID will cause serious injury to at least three people.
If the clinical trials are good predictors, that rate is likely to increase dramatically after the second shot (the clinical trials suggested that almost all the benefits of COVID vaccination and vast majority of injuries were associated with the second dose).
We don’t know the true risk of death from the vaccine since regulators have rendered virtually every death invisible by attributing them all to coincidence.
The 1-in-40 risk of “serious injury” from Pfizer’s COVID vaccine is consistent with what we know about other vaccines.
For many years, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has maintained a post-licensing surveillance system known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Even government insiders like Surgeon General Dr. David Kessler acknowledged that VAERS is an abysmal failure.
Nevertheless, it is only by clinging to this “designed to fail” system that regulators and industry have maintained their pretense that current vaccine risk profiles are acceptable.
A 2010 study funded by HHS concluded that VAERS captured “fewer than 1% of injuries.” In other words, the actual injury rates from mandated vaccines are more than 100x what HHS has been telling the public!
The 2010 HHS study found that the true risk for serious adverse events was 26/1,000, or one in 37.
Similarly, Merck’s clinical trials for Gardasil found that an astonishing half of all vaccine recipients suffered from adverse events, which Merck euphemistically called “new medical conditions,” and that 2.3% of vaccine recipients (1 in 43) suffered from autoimmune disease within six months of vaccination.
Similarly, a recent Italian study found that 46% of vaccine recipients (462 adverse events per 1,000 doses) suffered adverse events, with 11% of these rated “serious,” meaning 38 serious adverse events per 1,000 vaccinated individuals. These include grave gastrointestinal and “serious neurological disorders.” This amounts to a “serious” injury rate of 1/26.
Holocaust survivor Vera Sharav of the Alliance for Human Research Protection has observed that, “Everyone who gets any of these vaccines is participating in a vast medical experiment.”
Health officials generally concur that the granting of “emergency use authorization” to the rollout of experimental vaccine technologies with only a few weeks of safety testing, two years before the scheduled completion of Phase 2 testing, is a great human experiment, involving millions of subjects.
But researchers are unlikely to see all of the safety signals if a badly designed surveillance system allows local health officials and company employees the discretion to dismiss any serious injury as unrelated.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/death-by-coincidence/
VAERS catching just 1%….
I’m looking forward to the moment when the still half asleep members of the general public (most of them) finally realise we’re never going to back to normal and that masks, social distancing and lockdowns/tiers are permanent, along with the fact any still on furlough are actually unemployed. They are still living in a dream world and genuinely think once the vaccine has been deployed that’s it.
I think a shocking number of people genuinely don’t mind – even like? – wearing masks.
“It’s not a big deal” that’s what has driven compliance to every measure.
I think if I ever hear “it’s not a big deal”, I’m going to say, “What, forever?” I’m sure most people would say no to forever…
It’s no big deal. It’s just a length of rope. It’s just a little drop, barely 8′
Tesco delivery chap said he’s so used to it now that he forgets he’s wearing it.
Sad to say, I tend to agree.
Mummy used to dip a rubber dummy. in golden syrup and shove it in their mouths to keep them quiet. They’ve been hankering after it ever since.
The moronic masses will welcome a collapse in the birth rate, then in 25 years time wonder why there are no doctors/carers/binmen/plumbers etc etc…
Re Woke today
I live in Bury St Edmunds and know the Black Boy Pub though I have never been a customer (looks a bit rough, though I hear it is perfectly nice).
I have never paid much attention to the pub sign, but I always assumed Black Boy referred to a chimney sweep!
All this is mainly driven by white people. I doubt BAME people care about it at all. We shouldn’t let them get away with it.
There is a Black Bitch in the High Street!
There is a Black Boy pub in Caernarfon, actually named for a black boy who survived a shipwreck in I think the 18th century.
I used to drink/socialize/play pool in there along with all my mates years ago, this was our haunt. I used to live in nearby Thurston so went into Bury a lot, takes me back!
I’m really torn by the issue of legal action against the NHS. I can see why people could and should have a way to seek redress for harm resulting in sub-standard care.
However if the NHS is made liable then it can only bring an already stretched NHS to it’s knees.
It’s not perfect but the NHS offers a service that many around the world can only dream of. From my personal experience it has always been there when I or people close to me have needed it. I don’t idolise it but neither do I find cause to criticise it unecessarily. I’m sure there will be others who have a different view based on their own experiences.
I don’t know what the best solution would be but I would start by suggesting the government along with the IMF/WHO take on the burden of making right what their actions have caused.
It has to be sued. We’ve fucked the economy anyway. the injustice needs to come to light.
And what would that achieve, destroy the NHS and make things worse for everyone?
I don’t know what the best course of action would be but I certainly don’t think suing NHS is it.
I’ve had better care in Russia than from the NHS. Only my own experience – but I’ve lost an eye and have suffering permanent neck pain for the last 30 years due to failed diagnoses by the NHS. No, I didn’t sue them, but I should have done (or my parents should have done, in the former case). How else can their failings be brought home to them?
I’m afraid the overwhelming majority of the population in this country have set about a path to impoverish themselves. To ensure this never happens again we need to bring such injusticies to light. The NHS could have quelled this hysteria at any point.
My son nearly died before Christmas because of the NHS. They started pulling their finger out when when we started taking names and job titles for evidentiary purposes. They are now giving us written copies of everything.
And if it saves one life…
I’m afraid I used to think the NHS was “great” until I tried to get a couple of things sorted out about 3 and 4 years ago now – my experience, and my thinking now, is utterly incompetent management and lack of any joined-up thinking at many levels. Shameful.
The NHS is only ‘stretched’ because of successive governments’ policies – it need not be. Quoting from a rather prescient pre-election/pre-C19 Graun in 2019:
There are several articles online about the deliberate trimming of the NHS, leaving it deliberately vulnerable to any crisis The King’s Fund put it clearly in March 2020:
This manufactured C19 care ‘crisis’ is due to agenda driven spending policies, not lack of UK resources. And now a deliberate year on year underspending on the NHS has backfired in spectacular fashion, the government propaganda machine shunts the blame onto those that might need care as opposed to those politicians (on all sides of the House) who have chosen to over and over vote to deprive them of it.
Great comment.
That’s the point, its not offering any service, its destroying peoples lives, in fact it should be a class action on everyone’s behalf.
Fact is the NHS should be there to serve us not the other way round, if capacity can’t meet demand, increase capacity don’t let anyone tell you the NHS is under funded! Its problem is its maladministered & corrupt..
And how would making it worse make things better?
There’s no doubt things need to change but you’re not going to have a better outcome if the NHS is drained of funds.
If the redress could come from Government or some other avenue then that would surely be preferable.
How can it be worse?
The whole narrative is stop the NHS being overwhelmed. So what have they done, decreased capacity with halving number of beds due to social distancing & sent half their staff home because of a dodgy “test” & postponed many treatments & procedures.
If there’s no one paying tax, cos they’re all unemployed there can be no NHS.
Part of the deterioration in the NHS has been endless paperwork as a CYS (Cover Your Arse) requirement.
I’ve seen first hand how even simple things need 2 or 3 people to sign off on the paperwork.
Why do they do this? Because they are scared of being sued which still happens quite a lot.
It’s nothing but a downward spiral making things worse and worse.
If you think that more of the same will make things better then I’m afraid you’ll be proven wrong.
I was never a fan of the NHS, my own experience of it twice in my lifetime (very minor ailments) showed me how bureaucratic & frankly incompetent it is.
At present we don’t have health care available to us for many health complaints, its become a covid service. The NHS is mangement heavy, overly politicised & privatisation pretty much complete, about the only thing in public ownership is the staffing bill.
If things carry on as is, then frankly its just as well if it collapses & dies. Not living to saves lives isn’t sustainable.
It is interesting that your very reasonably balanced comment has attracted so many down-votes. Suggests a degree of unfocused anti-NHS political fanaticism that equals Covid fanaticism on the other side.
It doesn’t bode well for a claim to rationality, which is essential to the sceptical case.
Claims against M&S, Iceland, transport company lodged by my brief, hopefully have enough cash to hire a Hitman to do a JFK on the fat bastard…
Could save a fortune and have a go myself.
Well I thought I may branch out a little,as the old saying goes “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”.
no – you should put all your eggs in one basket. will look much more spectacular next time you take a dive into the stock. maybe add a jar of jam and a large tub of yoghurt
..and a bottle of tom ketchup for the shock “blood” effect too!
Stop giving me ideas.
“Covid vaccine: 72% of black people unlikely to have jab, UK survey finds
Sage voices concern at BAME uptake and says more must be done to increase trust in vaccine”
Guardian reports. No link because not giving them traffic.
When a sage evil says more must be done – it is highly arrogant and extreme dangerous in my experience.
A vaccine, a nonvaccine, unlicensed, untrialed – 2 more years of trials to go, must be put into more black people – notice fast conflation to BAME thereafter – rag-work.
It is all rather josef mengele isn’t it, what?
Took my Dad to have his jab just before Christmas (his decision, I respect it entirely). It was at a very large GP practice in a fairly multiracial area, I saw maybe 200 people go in and out, none of them were non-white, not one.
The self-professed anti-racists will simply assert, emotively, that it is yet another example of institutionalised racism.
I think the trust issue may not have been such a problem if the Government had set out being honest with it’s messaging right from the start.
Now all they seem to care about is forcing people to do as they’re told.
They have stoked fear and used coercion.
And since the 23rd of March 2020 they have lied and lied and lied again.
Have you seen the videos going round of vaccinated guinea pigs who 24 hrs after being jabbed they shake uncontrollably (don’t know the medical term)! Just one case is one to many it certainly gives you something to think about before getting vaccinated.
Shawn Skelton Explains What the Moderna V Did to Her as She Convulses Uncontrollably
New Normal Watch: #45 Brant Griner: “This is what the Pfizer covid19 vaccine has done to my Mom”
It’s horrifying.
That’s my biggest fear. If I get the virus I will either recover or die. The thought of taking a vaccine I don’t need and having an adverse affect that is worse than dieing fills me with dread.
Yes, there are things worse than death. Living the rest of your life with a movement disorder caused by a vaccine-induced brain injury would be one of them. But for those who think the risk is worth it, go right ahead.
They’ll have to be very careful about this, or they’ll be accused of unfairly pressuring ethnic minorities…
Anyone got an idea why BAME’s would be more opposed to this than the general population?
Because they still live in strong, local communities which means their reality isn’t entirely constructed by the Thinking Box.
I believe there is a school of thought in Islam that vaccines are Haram.
I hope that’s true. I have my criticisms of Islam but they are certainly principled.
Vaccines may contain foetal cell-line material, animal tissue, and other stray substances. Perhaps they are better read than the majority? Perhaps they do not believe in the benevolence of the state? (Neither do I).
In the US, there is a history of medical experimentation on black people (The Tuskegee Experiment for example) so they are, rightly, wary of medical authority and of being used as guinea pigs. The “vaccine” is being touted as a tool for racial justice as many are arguing that people of colour ought to be prioritized, while many of said people are suspicious and not comfortable with being prioritized for that reason.
Sent mother a video of her grand daughter. She replied “Hopefully when we have our injections we can enjoy her”
Didn’t have the heart to say:
* it doesn’t actually make you immune according to the manufacturer
* she’ll be waiting about 2 years to vaccinate everyone at this rate – then “a new strain” will evolve
* masks, social distancing and lockdowns are “a thing” now – they’re not going anywhere
Only if the government allow it, which is looking increasingly unlikely in the near future. If they go back to tiers, only those in Tier 1 (if I remember rightly) are allowed to meet family indoors.
Here’s a good video, explaining efficacy of PCR, for anyone interested. Pass it on to sceptic, sceptics & sceptic deniers.
The Truth About PCR Tests
Should I show it to those I know who are currently bed ridden with symptoms that are simply the result of false PCR test.
Have those people been tested for flu?
If they have symptoms then a PCR test will confirm a diagnosis, which is how it should be. Diagnosing on the basis of a PCR test is the wrong way round, particularly if a) the number of cycles is not reported and b) the number of cycles is more than about 32.
Signs and symptoms trump stand alone testing every time.
Thank you for the reminder that until March of 2020 a person who is deemed ill is supposed to have symptoms. Seems pretty basic, but a majority of doctors and scientists appear to have unlearned most of what they knew of viruses and how they behave.
What is it with such an emotional argument? Their bed ridden symptoms is confirmation that they very likely have covid-19.
A regular Joe getting tested for work and being asked to isolate with no symptoms is another matter. Especially on the scale we are talking today.
A false positive is not just referring to picking up the wrong signal. That is inherent to the test and a result of sensitivity. Another kind of false positive can, and certainly has been, seen through contamination. The final false positive is operational and is due to calling people infectious when running the tests to high CTs. How often does that happen? My emails to myocal Public Health body have been ignored on that simple question. Unless you know better?
Enough with the emotional blackmail argument
Please rearrange the following words into a sentence:
‘not’, ‘causation’, ‘is’ , ‘correlation’.
Thanks in advance.
You could also show it to those bed-ridden with a respiratory ailment, but no positive PCR – the majority,
or
to those with a positive PCR but no symptoms. Again the majority.
The overwhelming majority of those with the symptoms have no positive PCR.
The overwhelming majority of those with a positive PCR do not have the symptoms.
Both can be true. Some people can be very ill with symptoms and have a true positive test. Some can be “asymptomatic” and have a false positive test, especially if you include people who have cleared the infection but still have viral fragments remaining.
It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
Mayo, is it your intention to take the vaccine and recommend friends and family to take the vaccine? And your reasoning? I am genuinely interested in your opinion.
yeah they’ve probably got flu.
If they are bed ridden why do they need a test?
I have a friend who isn’t a sceptic – but is open to new perspectives.
Can you suggest a simple, informative site, with lots of information and figures, that wouldn’t daunt her but just might give her food for thought. A sort of introduction to scepticism – or ‘scepticism for dummies’. (Not that she’s a dummy!)
The Great Barrington Declaration site is very high level. And their sister site Collateral.org lays bare the costs of this madness.
No mention of CCP or Gates or anything like that.
Collateral Global
link above didnt work for me presume it’s collatoralglobal
Yes, I agree – personally I can’t imagine anyone more soothingly reasonable and persuasive than Sunetra Gupta.
Good idea. I’ll start by avoiding any mention of Gill Bates et al.
If she has any left-leanings, then this is really good:-
https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/our-analysis-of-lockdown-and-covid-fascism
Otherwise from Recovery:-
https://timeforrecovery.org/excessdeathsscandal/
First is particularly well-referenced.
Thank you.
Thanks very much Kevin. Just reading the first article looks great.
I’ve had a good response to Sucharit Bhakdi’s interviews with friends who have sensed somethings not right with the msm govt narrative. Not many facts and figures but just very calm explanations. He gives such reassurance as well as reliable information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P22eUnv6AM
Thanks.
I’m just reading his (and his wife’s) book “Corona – False Alarm?” It was originally published in June in German and was published in English in October .It is excellent, with all the facts and figures referenced. I got it here which was the cheapest I found –
https://agreatread.co.uk/corona-false-alarm-facts-and-figures-9781645020578/
Thank you.
Not that I want to take money away from the authors but if cash an issue, it is available for free download https://archive.org/details/corona-false-alarm-facts-and-figures
Ivor Cummins
Malcolm Kendrick
https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/
This is the one definitive video that will awaken anyone’s sceptical subconscious.
CRUCIAL Viral Update Dec 7th – Europe and USA Explained!
Once you’ve watched this you will never trust dippy & unbalanced again.
I recommend https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/ and https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/
I suggest watching this video featuring Dr Simone Gold of America’s Frontline Doctors – it’s almost an hour long but she puts into words what most of us feel but in a fact and evidence-based scenario in front of an audience. She is articulate, comprehensive, funny, engaging and thoroughly passionate about pushing back on the lies and misinformation that we are having to push back against. She is not in any way conspiracy focused, she deals with evidence. It’s – sorry about pun – pure gold!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=xFntHpk1uok&fbclid=IwAR3wbwGW2Bhph00kKOSkj2_mcFqjm8MBOOGb6vDflb2aCC7ulHYqcJBapHg
Yes, I watched that. I’m going to pass it on – probably in a day or so once I’ve whetted her appetite!
I watched it the other day and was glued to it. Thoroughly recommend it.
DavidC
Good afternoon Bajones
I have found the Reiner Fuellmich video pretty useful actually with people are starting to question things or are open to learning more. I think its abut 25 mins and maybe titled Planet Lockdown.
The reason I think this works well, is I preface it with a little explanation as to his excellent credentials (taking on and winning against VW, Deutche Bank etc…).
I even say, look don’t just take my word for it, but this guy is deadly serious and has a track record to match and you’ll be hearing more about it in the months ahead.
I think if you can establish in someone’s mind, that there is a good chance of fraudulence in 2 critical areas (PCR testing and thereby asymptomatic transmission) then there is a reasonable chance they will be willing to start to unpick at other threads, possibly even on their own.
Another approach is showing them the quotes from the Fergsuon interview in The Times (where he mentions getting away with it). Again, I find showing the true dastardly colours of these people is quite an eye-opener.
Good luck!
Simon
Thanks, Simon. Yes, indeed – Dr F is well worth watching and listening to. Did you see his interview with Dr Mike Yeadon? It was excellent – three hours well spent!
Sorry Banjones, amazingly I haven’t seen that! (can’t believe I have missed it). Would you mind posting the link if that’s not too much trouble.
With one person, I think I actually said. Look it doesn’t matter what I think or you think, this is happening and this guy (Fuellmich) doesn’t F around.
I would suggest the Swiss Policy Research site :
https://swprs.org/covid19-facts/
Although I’ve always been fairly sceptical, Dr Mike Yeadon was the one who really opened my eyes to what is going on. He explains things very well and his sincerity really comes through. This video is excellent and reasonably short – a great introduction to it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bX-wFVBP94
Also a longer one with James Delingpole where he goes into much more detail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMJoJ6i39k
I do hope your friend sees the light and becomes a sceptic.
These one are pretty good for the noob sceptic.
https://evidencenotfear.com/
https://swprs.org/
When I lost my job as a Thrug Calibrator with a well known aircraft maintenance company I was determined not to rest on my laurels and remain positive
I have formed a company providing a hot buffet service to partisans operating in the forests outside the village
The partisans are formed in groups similar to those that existed before sport became illegal
Obviously security and secrecy are paramount, therefore tools of mass surveillance such as motor vehicles and mobile phones are banned
I bought two transport mules on Gumtree. I stable the mules and the prepare the food at my friend George’s house. George topped himself when the second lockdown was announced
Georges pension is still being paid and also his direct debits for gas, electricity and poll tax. Overheads are minimal
Orders and special dietary needs are left at a dead letter drop in the village by 11am each day
The mules and I set off after dark each day
(Memo to me: Time to cut George down as his body fluids are dripping onto the food preparation surfaces)
My first call is to the Cricketista Camp. They are based in a cave under the television transmission mast. They chose the location on the basis that the regime is unlikely to lob cruise missiles on them and risk disrupting Strictly
There are seamstresses currently working in the cave converting their summer whites into winter battle dress. In addition they are converting their bats into skis and will not commence operations until the snows come
Tea and cucumber sandwiches all round
Onward to the Rugby Free Army camp deep in the forest. These guys are the real deal
Their leader has gone completely mad. He has put on loads of weight, shaved his head and painted himself purple.
Met his sister in the village a few days ago, she said he had been watching Apocalypse Now on a loop for days before he disappeared saying he was going ‘up river’
Whilst tucking into their sausages one of he Youth Team became hysterical. The youth player demanded that there should be a vegan option and threatened to have something delivered through his just eat app
Anyway the hysteric (think his name is Davies) was disarmed and carted off to the stockade
An hour long trek to the camp of the Golf Club Red Army Faction
Useless the lot off them. They never get anything done, but bang on endlessly about the new drivers they have bought
They demand silver service on a MacDonald’s budget
How am I supposed to transport 23 individual prawn salad starters for miles through the forest on two mules? Some people!
Suspect the golfers will be the first to be captured. A few have that informer look about them
On the way back to the village heard a muffled bang in the distance. It was either a car backfiring in the village or the sound of Davies being dispatched
Anyway, another day, another dollar
Cecil – you keep raising the bar – it’s totally unfair. I demand to share in whatever you’re taking to achieve this level of mind fertility.
He’s the Terry Pratchett of the lockdown world.
Love it! (Can anyone join?)
Is “OKUK” a customer?
Just askin’……
Why the “downvote” ?
Presumably you saw “OKUK” trolling me yesterday as being “77th” just because he was too stupid to be able to open a link I posted to Tobys appearance on Talk Radio, but he/she/it doesn’t have the balls (or whatever) to apologise?
Oh well – never mind!
Deeply enjoyable, thank you, Cecil
A thriving business evidently!
So enjoyed that.
Best thing to read this Saturday night.
Thank you again.
TalKRADIO seems to be off YT again, not streaming on Twitter either.
The channels there just no live stream, probably just a technical fault.
There are many of the same opinion of the “mutant” strain. He also referring to similar findings in influenza H1N1 in the below second link
https://twitter.com/BorgerPieter/status/1350173127360315392
“Observe that the genome of the Covid virus is degenerating. This is the natural course of viruses. Due to random mutations it is becoming: 1) more infectious 2) less lethal. Eventually we will have another common cold virus.”
https://tbiomed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4682-9-42
A new look at an old virus: patterns of mutation accumulation in the human H1N1 influenza virus since 1918
“While there have been numerous adaptations within the H1N1 genome, most of the genetic changes we document here appear to be non-adaptive, and much of the change appears to be degenerative. We suggest H1N1 has been undergoing natural genetic attenuation, and that significant attenuation may even occur during a single pandemic. This process may play a role in natural pandemic cessation and has apparently contributed to the exponential decline in mortality rates over time, as seen in all major human influenza strains. These findings may be relevant to the development of strategies for managing influenza pandemics and strain evolution.”
I wonder, if a person is severely immunocompromised are common corona (cold) viruses, dangerous or deadly, any medics here know?
https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiaa477/5882014
So I think the answer is likely to be “yes”, but it’d be good to have more data on it.
Good stuff thanks for posting..
I believe the common cold is just as serious for the elderly it’s just nobody thought to highlight it before now.
Ah, but THEY don’t want anyone to consider this. We’ve now got Coercid to be afraid of.
I’m not a medic, but yes, of course they are. just as a virus that one population is well adapted to can be deadly to a population that has never been exposed to it before
I’d think so too, but you just don’t ever hear anyone saying he/she died of a cold, of course people don’t generally die of flu either but complications from it i.e. pneumonia.
Same as any virus eh, From day one of covid my view was as a “novel” virus (of course there are many known corona viruses) It would hit the population, like a bad flu season, at first exposure to it, then evolve into a more contagious form but less dangerous & become seasonal, just like a cold, so far i’ve not been wrong.
When it first hit even before the MSM got hysterical, i told my wife fear & worry of the virus is likely to be more dangerous than the virus itself!
I can’t help thinking that everything they describe regarding mutations and spread, new vaccines required to deal with the changes etc are exactly what’s been happening every year with the flu.
It’s almost as if they took the flu and everything else that causes respiratory illnesses and lumped them into one.
When Madge was revving himself up with the scaremongering on 20 December, Bloomberg quoted him as saying ”..there is “no evidence” that the new strain — VUI-202012/01 — is milder than the original virus.”
However, ”Maria Van Kerkhove, Covid-19 technical lead at the World Health Organization, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr program: “We understand that the virus does not cause more severe disease.”
Do you think this was the epidemiologist you’d read about? I haven’t yet looked further.
Woo, farmer bill isn’t going to like that very much.
Lol!
DavidC
Well found, swedenborg.
I’m sure Hancock will seize on this perspective in order to reassure the public
Been explaining this to my brother today. He was supporting the current lockdown due to the new variants. But a virus will not typically evolve to become ever more lethal. It’ll naturally want more hosts and preferably not kill them.
Very good article in the DT about hospital numbers. Sorry can’t post the link for some reason.
Halved the number of beds because of anti-social distancing.
Sent most of their staff home due to a well dodgy “test” result.
Greed, maladministration & corruption.
To an extent that, even if not quite deliberate, could certainly have been avoided if NHS managers had sensed that crisis would be politically unwelcome.
The circus is evolving to perpetuate itself. It’s as if lockdown itself is a kind of memetic lifeform.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/15/uk-hospitals-have-relatively-empty-compared-europe-nhs-struggling/
Because it’s been told to struggle.
https://adapnation.io/inside-track-nhs-hospital-pressure/
https://richieallen.co.uk/when-the-pcr-test-is-useless-for-covid-19-but-useful-for-crooked-governments/
When The PCR Test Is Useless for Covid-19 (But Useful For Crooked Governments)
Dr Vernon Coleman writes a uper-clear explanation of the PCR testing fraud. A good one to share or copy from with people who are questioning .
It’s not a test.
It’s a process to brew up a bunch of genetic gunk.
The inventor even says this:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wOSeTz57xrCF/
We have to stop allowing the misuse of the word ‘test’.
I knew Boris was wrong last night when he really attempted to hammer home the “you can catch it from things you touch” point. People are so uninformed and it’s their own fault a lot of the time.
Our whole world contains germs, so what! We come into the world covered in germs we live our lives mixing germs, eating germs and we die with germs.
They just believe everything the government (especially Doris) and the BBC tell them without doing anything in the way of even basic research.
Television is scary effective at short-circuiting people’s minds.
Most people assume:
On TV = Truth
And that’s the extent of it.
Yes – when I tell people I meet (not so many these days) that I NEVER watch TV news and rarely read any MSM ”reports” they are usually amazed, as if I must be narrow-minded and missing something important. It’s as if I’m the one who is ill-informed.
They don’t seem to get the idea of reading peer-reviewed scientific reports or studying even ONS and WHO statistics, or listening to statisticians explaining those figures.
Toby may have had this atl at some stage
Mark Twain
“If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”.
Well, when a character in a soap opera ‘gets pregnant’, people send in baby clothes.That’s how far their perception of truth goes.
There is no valid evidence that the virus lives significantly longer on surfaces.
The claims otherwise were all media gaslighting.
Viruses are not alive.
Yes, you are correct.
Shame on my sloppy use of language.
I should have said, “remains viable,” or, “remains infectious.”
CDC say transmission is possible but unlikely from surfaces. Why is Johnson bringing this up? Is it because he wants another reinforcement behaviour imposed on those who won’t or can’t wear masks?
My thoughts exactly. Maybe we won’t be allowed to enter shops unless we use the hand sanitizer.
This time last year if you had:
No sign of a cold
No cough or a sore throat
No headache and a normal temperature
Could enjoy the taste of food or the scent of a flower
Felt Full of energy
You were what we used to call “fit and well”
It is a truly fucked up world where anyone who feels like this, is now told they should consider themselves to be a potention spreader of disease and encouraged, (even mandated) to have to take a test to prove it.
I think you are supposed to consider yourself a biohazard, a bag of toxic waste, even if you feel as fit as a fiddle, aren’t you? and this is how you’re supposed to regard each of your fellow human beings, even your nearest and dearest. and anyone who does not is obviously ‘crazy’ and ‘selfish’
Direct quote from Hancock
“Everybody, particularly people in Tier 4 areas, needs to behave as if they might well have the virus”.
As far as I am concerned there is no misunderstanding of his words. He was basically emplying that every person in the UK should be considering that they, personally, were a potential carrier and could infect everyone else. Not the reverse as you suggest.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/nhs-doctor-says-covid-19-virus-does-not-exist-hd_Via3i8vkGAbUALD.html
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cGGz2qnQYKfp/
I fancy we need a hearty national debate about the meaning of ‘exist’. It is such a definite word, a hangover from last century if you will. Perhaps we need a more fluid acceptance of the meaning rustled up.
I propose a new word – Exshit
To live in a world of excrement.
It’s so surreal waking up every day to “new discoveries” that I’m sure we’ve discussed months ago.
Is anyone else here, like me, suspicious of the whole Avian Flu thing? I haven’t read all the government information on it but am now suspicious of anything and everything that the government tells me. I have a theory that because lots of people bought chickens in the first lockdown, or at least when they could manage to get hold of any, that the government has decided it wants more control over food production and therefore doesn’t want the general public to have their own chickens. As I say, it’s just my theory….
They’ve been doing the chicken lockdown thing every year, the second any wild bird is found with it, they’ve been doing it for years now. Migratory birds bring it in.
I’m resigned to living on kale. It grows anywhere.
https://twitter.com/ScottAnd67/status/1350440681098108936?s=20
Scotland push to follow Italy’s and Poland’s example. Open up small Businesses.
Can’t see my fellow Scots supporting it. Sheep!
Same in the US.
A restaurant owner in the state of Michigan got about one hundred other places to agree to open up with him.
On the appointed day he opened his places while everyone else remained shut.
The state came and made an example of this poor fellow.
Land of the sheep, home of the slave!
Chairman Sturg-un will crack down on it hard, line em up against a wall at dawn or send em to a gulag/china.
.
Spirit of Wallace among the McWallys?
https://www.independent.ie/news/another-year-of-restrictions-ahead-until-everyone-has-been-vaccinated-says-dr-colm-henry-39975290.html
They are now being honest about their plans – another year of restrictions in Ireland because of appalling management in the so called health service.
The only place these “managers” in the so called health service belong is in front of a firing squad, legitimately convened on foot of a court order.
Note the headline is a complete lie. He says “Social distancing and restrictions in some form are likely for the rest of 2021 at least, until enough of the population can be vaccinated to grant general or herd immunity, Dr Henry said.”
Not justifying what he said but why are the media making up a headline like that?
Could it be, because the instigators of all of this, bang on about population control, that people are reluctant to take their vax?
Which VIPs have received it?
We had several high-profile fake jab vids here in the US.
No word about those receiving a second dose.
My brother told me that Fauci was filmed taking the vaccine but that in another video, filmed slightly later, he was asked by some news station how he felt and, get this, he rubbed… the opposite arm and said it was a bit sore!! I tried to find this video evidence but couldn’t but my brother is extremely honest. I will try and see if he can send me links. It’s a total joke.
It was on either American Thinker or Gateway pundit
If Fauci takes 6,000 IU/day of vitamin D3, he’s probably fine with that. Dr David Grimes’s survey suggested that a high level of vitamin D may make you almost immune to COVID.
And Vitamin D does the same for flu, if you can find it.
I’m convinced that VIPs are getting a placebo. If too many high profile people end up in the ICU, with anaphylaxis, or a movement disorder caused by a brain injury, the whole vaccine agenda would implode.
Or just an empty needle.
Kamala’s jab vid struck me as an obvious fake.
Of course, this fits with the essence of her being perfectly.
Meow. But true.
Anyone agreeing to take any of these vaccines has clearly lost the plot. Sometimes I can almost accept that Bill Gates is doing the right thing.
May have been posted already: 10 elderly people dead in Germany within four days of their vaccination. Investigation underway.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/10-dead-in-germany-within-4-days-of-covid-19-vaccine-inoculation-probe-ordered.html
We’ve done a thorough investigation and we can conclude all ten deaths were due to COVID.
Deaths with 28 days of a PCR test. Covid. Deaths within 28 days of a jab. Coincidence.
Deaths within 28 days of a jab.
Old age – exactly why they are going first.
says the Head of the investigation into the deaths.
I have just found out that people ill with covid are being shipped from hospitals in Kent to hospitals in Hampshire.
So the healthy get to stay at home and the ill get shipped from place to place. Spread the spread.
Thanks to everyone (below) who posted some useful links for a nascent sceptic!
I shall start my drip-feed forthwith…..
(And of course, Lockdown Sceptics will follow as soon as I feel we’re getting somewhere!)
Here’s another one i’ve not seen before.
PCR Pandemic: Interview with Virus Mania’s Dr Claus Köhnlein
Listened to this the other day. His theory that the high spring death rate in the UK was down to awful treatments was very interesting indeed
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/
Ban ice cream – it can carry COVID
Okay, the people running this hoax are just having a laugh now.
More impressive than Flora. Spreads straight from the freezer.
The lockdowners already think we’re all flakes …
Well played!
Ha ha ha ha!
Lawrence Fox, is in the DM, showing off his exemption badge. Don’t know if that’s good or bad, as he receives the usual abuse from the intolerant covid fanatics, or maybe they’re just their paid bots following the instructions.
Just been reading that. Can’t say I was glad to see it as headline news as this will attract unnecessary attention. Hardly surprising though. I think the govt have been on the back-foot and the DM are helpfully setting the agenda for them.
And the first story I saw this morning was the snow scare stories but the first comment was talking about ‘applied psychology’ i.e. this was a subtle DM suggestion to say ‘stay indoors’. Very good people are getting it and can see through the govt / media lies.
All part of the info wars…
Actually, just thinking about, and realising that you actually NEED to have Covid to get treatment for other serious conditions, now that we worship at the covid alter.
There is one easy way to get the numbers down
Stop it, not even in jest should we indulge that narrative. Its entirely political, if the liberal left can normalise this fabrication they can make any artificial construct become reality.
The purpose of identity politics is to erode cultural values to advance corporate socialism & globalism. Its as fraudulent as lockdowns & PCR pandemic.
Alternatively it a sodding joke showing how ridiculous it all is.
The other 87 genders cannot exist if they cannot be infected surely.
I know what your saying makes sense to us, but they don’t care about little things like logic, reality & facts.
Indulging in pronoun etiquette to be charitable just enables the narrative, there’s biology & nothing else.
You can choose your own (A)gender but not your own facts. If people wont/dont accept different sexes, then I wont/dont accept different genders.
Neat!
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/russia-begin-mass-vaccination-its-population-monday-putin-calls-sputnik-v-best-world
Gettimg interesting.
If the Russians roll this out and return to complete normallity in short order, while the West rolls out the mRNA stuff and restrictions remain.
100,000 protesting in Austria – https://t.me/PatriotNewz/12109
Face smotherings.
Yes it’s a great description.
There’s a group called Smother Me Badd isn’t there?
They did the classic “I Wanna Mask You Up”
Regarding the photo at the top of today’s post I love how the image of the care worker on the banner is intentionally composed, lit, and edited to terrify rather than reassure.
Patrick Henningsen tweets:
The key wor[d] here is “possible”, and what I have learned about ‘intelligence’ over the last 20 years has led me to first assume it’s garbage, and I’ve been right nearly every time. The Wuhan conspiracy is being used to legitimize the ‘deadly pandemic’ narrative, which is a lie…
Quote Tweet
Daily Mail US
@DailyMail
· 7h
Mike Pompeo reveals intelligence implicating Wuhan lab as the possible origin point of Covid-19 https://trib.al/0fe6Dxg
https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1350462927355183104?s=20
Given the state of the bleating about Russia and countless other intelligence farces I feel there is something in Henningsen’s view.
What is the British intelligence network? It seems to have detectable no integrity.
He’s partially right but it does look like a virus was created and “accidently” released from a Wuhan lab. Now whether this leads to a condition called Covid-19 is by the by. What appears to be the case is that the CCP did enough information warfare to scare politicians in the West and this had the knock-on effect of them adopting CCP policies to “beat the virus” rather than targeted interventions. The WHO were bent to the CCP will too.
The CCP already had its fingers in various pies influencing individuals. Academia is full of socialists who don’t not like the CCP system with social credit. It aligns to their feelings of superiority. We have business leaders and media wined and dined by CCP members. We have high level individuals in this country as active members, sworn to uphold their principles.
Then we have ex-members of the Communist party of the UK being advisors
It’s a massive nudge. The virus does not need to be potent. It just needs to appear to be.
So yes there is still large responsibility of our leaders but this is professional top level con to benefit the CCP.
“What appears to be the case is that the CCP did enough information warfare to scare politicians in the West and this had the knock-on effect of them adopting CCP policies to “beat the virus” rather than targeted interventions. The WHO were bent to the CCP will too.”
Which ray-machine were they using to influence the polticians’ minds.
The whole ‘China did it’ narrative is an important sub-text of the Establishment line. It:
Focuses blame outward
Legitimizes the idea of a deadly virus
Establishes a possible fallback position
Builds up the image of an external enemy, and in doing so tries to unify ‘us’. ‘We are all in it together’ – because China.
They don’t need a ray machine. They have a policy called Blue Gold and Yellow where influence is slowly increased over years. Blackmail, greed and other things. It’s a known influence system.
But also this idea of game theory is not new. The idea that China could make a small move and the world would tumble due to the leverage that China holds on the supply chains and credit of the world has been studied for a good few years
So you not think that other countries operate such an influence system too?
In what way do ‘pandemic ‘ developments benefit China?
I don’t see it.
This is the balance anyone looking at this needs. So many games being played right now and many people are running scared.
I can describe the magic ray with a few symbols:
£££
€€€
$$$
It also explains how pols enter office with 5-figure net worth and leave with 7-figure net worth having done nothing for years.
There is also a, “flesh ray,” for those resistant to the standard ray.
“but it does look like a virus was created and “accidently” released from a Wuhan lab.”
What is the evidence?
The area has a level 4 lab and they were developing gain of function coronaviruses. That’s public information. What the US has done is confirm what Dr Yan Li-Meng as been talking about. This idea that is was a natural variation was shown to be false last year. The virus is spliced.
No reason in that to buy it. The virus was found in Barcelona sewage system in 2019, no reason to buy that either (how it was identified is anyones guess). World millitary games were held in Wuhan just prior to all this.
I’m saying there is nothing conclusive about the origins which is a signal whatever is going on is revisions.
We are both sure bats are out. But why are we? No evidence either way to prove or disprove.
Long winded way of saying circumstantial.
The main benefit is to collapse Western economies as viable competitors to China.
Secondary benefits are imposing China-style authoritarianism in the West and revenge for the, “Century of Humiliation.”
That’s a benefit?
For the Chinese.
Economies do not compete with each other.
If western markets are deprssed, then that has an effect on China too.
How does imposing “China-style authoritarianism” in the West help China?
This post is dumb beyond belief.
Who benefits the most from the collapse of all Western economies?
I read your comment yesterday about your parents. An excellent post Stefarm and really thoughtful. Thanks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55689388 clinical staff seeking protection against wrongful death accusations.
If the Pharmaceutical corporations can have immunity, why not the people who administer it?
politicians will want the same
Sanity for Sweden: deaths following vaccination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INNuVGANCfY&t=325s
According to an interview by Gunnar Kaiser (YT) with Germans living in Sweden, the Swedes are still very angry about the swine flu vaccinations, and scepticism towards these vaccines is vey high.
Unlikely the government will push the vaccine agenda.
One effect of the lockdown is the trains are now totally empty, just moving air. Had a short chat with the chap in the ticket office at our station (everybody uses it as a shortcut). He said he had sold just one ticket today – normally busy commuter station still with two trains an hour to Waterloo.Carpark had just six cars in it. Said I would love to make some train trips but I suspect the policeman who questioned me would disagree that London is ‘local’… I can’t see the trains carrying on much longer like this even though the government is paying to keep them moving.
It does make you wonder, therefore, why they’re determined to throw even more money at HS2. Read the usual patronising tosh in reply to the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/563380?fbclid=IwAR27VBTBADs2oprIgLxcB3RB9tW4DVE6gp3RvTZ1tK5w_-NAa0Js7tNh3ag
They’re re-nationalising the railways aren’t they? Don’t worry tax payers will cover it until its profitable & they will privatise it again. Oh wait what taxpayers no ones gonna have a job. Damn that’s my hobo aspirations buggered.
I believe plans are in hand to cut services across the network by up to 50% from next week.
I’ve spent a lot of time on public transport recently and can tell you it is totally deserted.Buses and trains are being subsidised,to run empty services to keep the unions happy.This cannot continue and when the axe falls what are the unions going to do,strike,no one will notice.
Agreed – any sort of returns to offices largely now postponed to at least “June”. Even in November the trains I was on out of Liverpool St during rush hour where at probably a third capacity and rapidly emptied out after a couple stops. During lockdown one it was cheaper for the train company here to put passengers in taxis to London than run the trains…
Polish rebellion.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/14/lockdown-rebellion-highlanders-polands-winter-capital-reopen-hundreds-businesses/
Wonderful stuff. Poland is a fine and beautiful country.
COVID-19 vaccine reactions being blamed on PEG, but could it be the body responding to mRNA transhumanist genetic reprogramming?
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-15-covid19-vaccines-anaphylaxis-peg-mrna-genetic-reprogramming.html
Isn’t PEG used in all vaccines?
It appears the medics and modellers want lockdown to continue until at least next year – if not longer. I’ve heard Spring, Autumn (which is followed by Winter) etc
At some point it presumably become impossible to carry on (financially for example) – when is that point?
I suppose some countries will get back to normal sooner rather than later and other countries will be pressurised by their population to follow suit. It just seems we are a ,long way from that and lockdowns are currently quite popular
Steve, I keep thinking that this can’t go on much longer but l honestly think that millions of “sheep” don’t mind it one bit and a large proportion of em actually love it.
Not having a particularly good day today.
The Wolves losing hasn’t exactly helped either.
yes, and part of the reason is the govt terrified people instead if calming them down
its all on tick though. paid for by BofE buying govt bonds. great if you’ve got assets, shit if you are on an income
I am afraid, listening to conversations in the park (not scientific), that some people’s minds have been fried. The gaslighting tactics have worked to the point that they believe whatever they are told without question, and are entirely willing to swallow the next change to the script and the next and the next. Their brains are buggered. They look forward to the vaccine as salvation, while they simultaneously accept that it taking it will not improve their lives at all.
I think they are a minority. I know ex-believers who are bored by the bullshit, and have come round to a sceptical position. People who can’t stomach the constant bait and switch.
But…there is now a demographic that we could describe – given that you’re feeling jolly – in concentration camp cant, as Musselmaenner.
My friend told me yday she is getting vaccinated today. In her opinion, as she had no problems with the flu vax, she should be fine. Might be.
I told her to at least make sure they give her a good briefing. She claims she has not got time to do the research.
Tbh, I kind of want her to have side effects!
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/reports/10-facts-from-the-uk-government-pfizer-vaccine-guidance-that-promote-vaccine-hesitancy/
Send here that. A 5min read referring directly to the regulators approval document for the Pfzier vax. A good summary of things she has to accept as risks worth taking.
I find it incredible that most people will spend more time choosing a new mobile phone or even a tube of toothpaste than they will on researching something so important and potentially dangerous! Like my mother who says, “the Queen’s had it so it must be OK” !!
On my afternoon walk today I met an old friend and we stopped and chatted for a while. He was out watching for a rare bird (forget what) and stood with his camera ready. While we chatted the lovely little bird did appear and put on a show for us, great stuff. Anyway chat drifted to covid etc and he seemed to share much of my sceptic views particularly about the uselessness of the vaccine. But then he mentioned masks – ‘horrified to see two people without masks in Sainsbury’s’…. I realised we were getting on shaky ground, said a few things about them then decided to leave him to enjoy his bird watching. The brainwashing seems complete and we have no way out.
We all breathe the same air, masked or not. Unless the maskless are coughing or spitting i think he’s safe.
Agreed, lockdownistas seem almost relieved to have an excuse not to take responsibility for their lives. Bugger freedom, seeing friends, family, creating memories. Very bizarre. Sorry your team lost but the rugby is even worse – all cancelled “due to u-know-what”.
up the Baggies!!!
The medics and modellers need their funding pulled, lets see how much they like sitting at home with no income. Bastards!
oh I so wish. won’t happen though
I wrote this below, but it seems relevant here as well:
The circus is evolving to perpetuate itself. It’s as if lockdown itself is a kind of memetic lifeform.
Don’t get pessimistic, this shit show will run out of steam, warmer weather lighter night’s people’s natural urge for freedom, will all combine to release the kraken.
I’m not so much pessimistic as aghast at the stupidity of it all. In lockdown 1 I was looking forward to the summer everyone admitting lockdown was a terrible mistake.
I have no doubt lockdown scepticism is scientific, risk averse and will ultimately be proved correct but I’m, getting frustrated waiting for it.
I can’t see a way out except with the ‘permission’ of the people. but they have been terrorised with ropey data. I imagined end of furlough would focus a few minds but its being extended – how long can it go on?
Steve my friend, this shit show is on the ropes, media working overtime to keep the fear up government ass holes lying thru their teeth to keep the narrative alive.. Spring is coming most folks are reaching breaking point,in the real world it’s collapsing like a deck of cards, spring summer will see the dam break..
I hope you are right Bruce – anyway its cheering me up
@Bruce and steve_w – it is on the ropes, people know it’s run its course.
currently the only place I can go for a change of scenery and a coffee is the motorway services. It may be on the ropes but I’d rather it was over the other side of the ropes having its skull stoved in by an angry mob
I do believe you are correct. People don
t really want to go out too much at the moment cos the weathers shit. When it gets lighter and warmer thatll change. Me – I just wanna go to the fuckin pub.The more lockdowns the worse the pandemic deaths will be, the longer this shit show lasts. Lockdowns are great at dragging the suffering out nothing else.
All about a vaccine exit plan. Otherwise their only feckin plan is lockdowns forever. These people are insane.
The virus will gave evolved into a harmless cold long before then.
April is the end of the financial year. If the government plans to spend next FY as it has this FY, it might be in for a nasty shock.
Those who buy bonds (which is how governments “borrow” money) will no longer view these as a safe buy and go elsewhere. A government that cannot sell its bonds is in deep trouble. Deep, deep trouble.
Or the government can print money, give it to the banks, and tell them to buy government debt (bonds) with it. This is how quantitative easing has worked and why so far we’ve got away with what we’ve done using QE since 2008. But there is a limit and if confidence in UK bonds is gone, the banks won’t buy. And not just British banks, but worldwide banks.
Money is a medium of exchange, nothing else. Ultimately, it is a zero sum game, you cannot just magic it from thin air, especially when your currency is a fiat currency and based on trust. The result when that trust is gone is usually inflation. Real tangible assets and commodities become highly desirable and their price skyrockets. That is when everybody – rich, poor, somewhere in between – end up financially twatted. And I mean financially twatted. Pension? Forget it. State expenditure on goodies like health, education, welfare? Forget it. Plenty of jobs in the public sector? Forget it. Wages that cover outgoings? Forget it.
I suggest that will be the moment people wake up, if they have not already. Forget your Great Reset or Doctor “Doom” Gates – that will all be swept away.
Governments, or at least national banks, are fully aware of this. If the show continues beyond April 6th, I strongly recommend emigration to a country that has abandoned the lockdown.
Good comment!
This is guaranteed to happen.The only question is when.Those smug middle class types who have so far escaped the financial fallout will reap the whirlwind they have sown.
I can’t believe so many people are oblivious to the fact that you can’t switch off a massive part of the economy and pay people to sit at home,with money you have just printed,and not to have something very bad happen.
Them Italian Bros are kicking ass restaurants opening and saying fuck you,we need the frog’s to fire up next that will fan the flames, this whole shit show is beginning to reach critical mass…By me roads are busy,me and the Bros just been for a blast on the Harleys dropped off at one of them roadside burger places 20 of us,hip flasks and good snap had a good laugh with the truckers and some walkers Fuck lockdown.
That’s cheered me up, Bruce.
Great stuff, Bruce.
Amen.
Here in the Jellyfish Nation it’s pod people all the way down.
I’m going walking tomorrow. I will hope to see you all roar past.
I’ll keep my eye out for you..
January blues
Just been for a venture out and about. This time of year is never the most inspirational but I don’t think I have ever surveyed such a miserable and depressing landscape as this. Almost every enterprise closed and those that remain open are empty apart from a few maskoid zombies.
It feels to me as though we are living in an open prison…but with no parole for good behaviour….but of course threats of withdrawals of privileges for so called ‘bad behaviour’.
It feels much worse than the lockdown 1 partly because the weather is so awful, partly because so many enterprises have already closed their doors for good under the cosh from the first 2 lockdowns and the tiers but, perhaps most of all, because this is of indefinite length and its now patently obvious that this is going to be the intermittent way society responses to any future respiratory viruses.
It must be obvious even to Peter Hitchens and others that the strategy of writing to MPs has utterly failed and they really do need to wake up and smell the coffee and realise there are very dark forces at work here and that we are gradually entering a period of undiluted tyranny. The people who wont acknowledge this are starting to annoy me as much as the designers of this ghastly policy.
We have often here made reference to the 3 ‘groups’ in the public. The true zealots never want this to end and are loving the smug feeling of living on unaltered incomes and the ability to stare out of their windows, note book in hand, recording descriptions of visitors and their car registration numbers. The middle group (the ‘going along with it brigade),one assumes will eventually tire of the bleak dullness of life devoid of any spark from the pursuit of interests or social outings. Do they really want another spring when everywhere is closed from one end to the other and a summer where you are ‘allowed out’ but only in the dispiriting and alienating ‘new normal’?
Only a show of mass dissatisfaction from this middle group and a serious co ordinated and organised resistance on the part of businesses and civil society groups is ever going to get us out of this. Left to the politicians and so called ‘scientists’ we will be drowning in this quick sand for ever.
Agreed.
It’s been very clear since day 1 of this bullshit that the only way out is mass civil disobedience. Sadly the vast majority of people in this country are sanctimonious, virtue signalling half wits who would rather preen about how caring they are on social media than actually live their lives.
In reality the lockdown rules only apply if you choose for them to apply to you. I haven’t followed a single rule since March and have no intention of ever doing so. As Laurence Fox so brilliantly put in, Compliance is Violence. The only reason Piers Moron and Penfold got so angry about it on GMB was they know he was 100% right but they don’t have the courage to say it themselves. Indeed, this could apply to so many people across the country.
No not half-wits – they’re scared for a very good reason and I don’t mean the virus. We’re being threatened by our own government and they’re wittingly (excuse the pun) destroying our lives – are they psychopaths? Satanists? Who knows – but with the army on the streets who is going to stand up to them? This has never happened so blatantly in our lifetimes- why should we all have an easy response to what’s going on? Sorry if this seems extreme but what’s being done to us not by a flu-like (not really that unusual) virus which will keep us under house-arrest till our lives are destroyed but by some dark forces controlling our government- well I’m sorry but there are no glib responses.. (and I have just watched The Hamburg Syndrome clips on YouTube – possibly Klaus Schwab’s favourite film?)
Cannot see the Army taking to the streets, they are the last arm of the public sector that actually does the job for which they are paid. No virtue signalling, no self righteous whingeing about low pay, their job being hard or dangerous, they just get on with what the signed up for.
Threats to this effect are hollow because Bozo and the clowns know they don’t control the army.
The upper levels are all bought and paid for careerists but the rank and file are true patriots.A treasonous government couldn’t rely on their loyalty.
Indeed, reassuringly the top lot are too busy playing politics to know what is going on. Rank and file are the pride of this country. Would welcome them sending the army in to control the people as they’d probably join in with the “rule breaking” rather than enforcing them.
Yes, I agree – if there’s hope it lies with the ‘going along with it’ brigade. Took 70 years for the Soviet Union to collapse though. I mean this could actually go on for years. Leaving your house to work or buy the essentials or for socially distanced walks. Or 4 month lockdown every winter. These things are feasible – we would all be a lot poorer – but a society can function with pubs and restaurants closed. They can even function with the rule of 6 forever. But it ends when we say it ends and there aren’t enough people saying it
Just returned from a walk and past several shops, 2 appear to have shut up for good. All items have been removed and shelves empty (one is a clothes shop and the other sells china).
The state has dispensed with the illusion of freedom, and finally revealed its true nature to us. They are not going to relinquish their death grip on the population. However, I would caution that this has to get much worse before sufficient numbers are compelled to resist. 2021 is another write off, but we may see the beginnings of a genuine resistance by its end.
I hope you are wrong about 2021 but I fear you may be right. All I can say is whenever the resistance comes I will be joining it and will be happy to do whatever it takes. When the time comes its going to be no time for cowardice.
Another smart-arse. Snowdon like Dan Hodges was never a genuine sceptic.
I agree…I always thought he was lightweight on a spiked podcast I heard….I could tell he was rather a cowardly type wanting to stay on the fence. Delingpole, also on the same podcast, by contrast was unequivocal. I have never thought ‘libertarianism’ was a very coherent political philosophy anyway….but if he thinks supporting this big government tyranny amounts to it he is a very stupid man. In wartime he would be seen as a turncoat and a traitor.
Why would I, he doesn’t even seem to understand what the word libertarian means, so he’s unlikely to have the capacity to understand the complexity of the governments covid19 fraud. Besides I don’t like covid19 fiction books.
Thing is, it was the first lockdown that caused a worse second covid season, nothing particularly surprising or unexplainable about it.
A lot of these attacks look more like personal vendettas than anything else to me.
Cummins and Delingpole were quite scathing of him in a recent podcast. Perhaps you are right
The PCR is simply a process that acts on an input to create an output.
The, “test,” is simply a set of made up criteria around the PCR process.
Alleged experts and authority figures are telling us that these criteria applied to the process output are a, “meaningful diagnostic.”
Anyone else received some government propaganda from the their local council?
Would love to know where they get the figures from.
Where do they get the money from as well…oh yes silly me…us!
I love how everything in the graphic design of this notice is intended to intimidate and terrify, right down to the typeface.
So intimidating it’s been filed in the recycling bin so the Council are having it straight back.
Similar BS in the Dunmow Broadcast.
I’ve not had the ‘pleasure’ of leaflets yet, but seen on my local news all kinds of bizarre figures just thrown about.. Needless to say completely unverifiable stuff, Sounds like definite grounds for a complaint &/or FOIA.
population 506,000, deaths 120 according to the leaflet. Countrywide that would extrapolate to 15,600 ‘covid’ deaths a month. They must have been reading Fungusons projections and got them mixed up with reality. Reality would be more like 50. or less than 2 a day.
Someone posted yesterday about the film The Hamburg Syndrome. A complation of clips is below. It is pretty astonishing in it’s accuracy. The Hamburg Syndrome 1979 German pandemic Sci-fi film. are the powers that be usiing it as an instruction manual?
https://youtu.be/ScHvU2JExQo
It might be interesting for a film buff to look into the producers and money behind the film. Obviously the film was made for a reason, a big production never just accidentally happens.
This is so chilling and so accurate that it can’t possibly be a coincidence- I know this site doesn’t want to encourage talk of scamdemics but if you watch this you can’t possibly go on believing it’s real..
After watching the clip I can only agree.
Every point in the clip is something we have seen in the past year.
Heck, some of the words and phrases used in the film are exactly the same!
After more thought the ‘Covid in ice cream,’ scare story makes perfect, terrifying sense.
This is because Covidism is a fundamentalist faith.
The point of fundamentalism is fundamentalism.
Anything that distracts from this must be demonized and destroyed.
It works the same in any fundamentalist faith – Covidism, the Great Reset, Chinese Communism, Islam, even Christianity.
I’ve just heard that very sadly a 12 year old child has committed suicide over lockdown.
The government has blood on their hands.
How awful and how must her parents feel. This government is despicable!
That is very sad. I had news of a 20 year olds suicide. Who knows the pandemic measures could have contributed, I am certain they didn’t help this persons mental health.
Not just their hands fully bathing in it. This is awful and so sad.
A disgusting and completely avoidable tragedy.
Blood on the hands of this murderous,insane government
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grandma-shares-heartbreak-after-boy-23328172
GoFundme page here
https://uk.gofundme.com/f/help-give-our-beautiful-ethan-a-send-off
I must not listen to David Lammy
I must not listen to David Lammy
I must not listen to David Lammy
I must not listen to David Lammy………………..
I think I can manage that.
Oh dear.
a couple of years ago he was screaming that different colours of smoke at the Vatican (during the process for selecting & changing Popes) was racist;
then he ranted that white people doing charity work in Africa was racist;
then he said Brexit was purely voted on by the racist Tory southerners (ignoring the fact that 60% of London voted remain, around 60% of the west midlands, & 70+% of some parts of the north voted to leave)
I almost don’t dare ask what he’s said now… anyone give me odds that it involves either or both of (i) a screaming rant,& (ii) accusing everything of being racist?
he’s just a loud mouth twat with a huge chip on his shoulder which makes him unbalanced.
Outraged headline of the Mail. “Britons ignore Johnson’s plea”.
Might not be the solidarity of the Italian restaurants, but compare this to two weeks into the March lockdown, and it is clear to see that the loons of Sage and government (and the media) have lost control of this narrative now.
This lockdown is nothing like Spring – round me (SE London) looks like business as ususal on the roads (obvs many actual businesses are still shut though).
What plea was that?
I do think just about the only people 100% bought in now are politicians and the fools making up the Frankenstein SAGE committees.
Here we have the most recent comment and the most popular on the Daily Mail.
Proof of bots at work. Pathetic social engineering.
Well done.
Comment and vote bots.
Well done 77!
Rock science,that’s geology isn’t it ?.
No-one I’ve accused of being 77th on social media so far has denied it.
I’d quite like the government to just go back to the pandemic response plan from 2014
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/344695/PI_Response_Plan_13_Aug.pdf
ok, its for influenza – but so was Spanish flu
Ferguson’s model was an old influenza one
Have been trying for a while out of interest, but cannot find a single page on either the BBC or The Guardian devoted to the Italian restaurants opening up on mass today. Surely whatever their personal views on a story, a news story is a news story?
it’s akin to saying we won’t mention a forest fire, because we don’t like fire. Disgraceful betrayal of professional journalism.
Because the government doesn’t want it happening here. If on Twitter, send all the films and info about places opening up to @fsb_policy (Federation of Small Businesses) and @britishchambers and ask them when they’re doing the same.
Great, please post any updates on replies
I think it is more like “We won’t mention the forest fire because the wrong forest is burning”
Walked past my local testing centre again today. Saturday afternoon and not a single car on site.
I called across to the guard on the entrance gate: “Easiest job you’ve ever had!”
And came the answer: “Been like this for months.”
Sounds like a good job to fund the writing of the next Great British Novel.
So where are all the positive test coming from? Full on made up fraud?
How did you guess?
I suspect they’re all coming from hospitals, which is the most likely place to catch any virus. That, and they test every patient until they come up positive.
yes i saw a video of same experience of a test centre in bristol – no-one there and a member of staff asleep on the table. This seems to be replicated across the country – kind of says it all really. I think the politburo just make up the test numbers.
My local testing station was moved to a location where it is out of public view, when it was easily viewable from a public road, it was very quiet.
And that is why few people are rocking the boat…
Professor John “fucking loon” Edmunds wants us in lockdown forever. Imagine my shock when I find he did his PhD at Imperial.
Still love to understand people him
Does he believe in the nonsense he spouts? Seems unlikely.
If not, surely at some point the power and the glory he gets from pushing this line is somewhat outweighed by living in a totally shit world. I mean, unless you are a super VIP the world we are living in is shit for everyone – at least if they are human and not a lizard
Surely even loons like him have some things they enjoy doing that are now banned/closed?
Covidian fundamentalism is the most joyful thing in their lives.
The worst fundamentalists are the worst hypocrites as well.
It’s like the preacher who rages against alcohol in public, then goes home and drinks himself blind.
It’s the biggest thrill they will ever experience.
Another one who was for a herd immunity approach at the start.Has he been bought off or caught up in the hysteria?
Well they’re happy to campaign for these restrictions when they have no intention of obeying them themselves. As exemplified by their spiritual leader Neil Ferguson.
I wonder if in the future all nhs employees should go through a sort of basic training to be able to better assist in times like these perhaps just simple things like collecting vitals distributing meds, changing beds etc this could free up the time of nurses.
also in many places I have noticed that there is often a old hospital near a new hospital perhaps we need some mothballed hospitals that we can open up around the country staffing would be a problem I guess.
what I think is clear though is that the nhs hasn’t been saved it has failed at its job in our time of need and isn’t fit for purpose.
That would demand joined up thinking and different departments working together. Which they can but only after getting approval from 3 committees, 43 subcommittees and 4 different HR functions.
https://twitter.com/BBGRichie/status/1350464697057878018?s=20
I’ve just seen some footage of protesters in Hong Kong. A lot of the protesters are wearing full face gas masks against tear gas. And people think wearing a damp rag will stop something very very small. You can fit 1000 coronaviruses across the width of a hair.
The damp rag also traps and provides a perfect growth medium for nasty bacteria.
Now Jimmy, time for your zoom lesson.
Q. what should you do if you are poorly?
A. Go and see a doctor or go to the hospital?
Q. Very good. Now, what do you think would happen if the doctors told you to go away, and all the big hospitals closed their doors?
A. Erm… Lots of people would be poorly?
Q. Well done Jimmy. You are doing so well. Now. Next question. You have lungs in your body, and their job is to help you to breath. Try it now. A deep breath. In through the nose and out through the mouth. Brilliant. Now. Would do you think will happen if I cover your mouth and nose with this cloth?
A. Oh, I know that one. It would be hard to breathe, and I might get a bit poorly.
Q. That’s right Jimmy, which is why you must be very careful. Ok last question. Do you think that more people get poorly in the summer when it is hot, or in the winter when brrrrr, it gets very cold and rainy?
A. Definitely the cold one, because I always get a runny nose then.
Q. Ok. So, we’ve got closed hospitals, lots more poorly people, and masks restricting airways. Hmmmm. I still don’t understand why excess death rates are so high at the moment. Must be all down to Covid.
A. What’s Covid sir?
Q. You wouldn’t understand.
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1347200811303055364
chart on weekly ICU admissions showing them very much higher than in recent years. Reliable? I would like to see it analysed
He shows his fear graph indicating that there are 17 people per million for the whole UK. 2210 per week. London has a capacity of 1600 beds. This figure would give a weekly requirement of 136 ICU beds. London is running at capacity, so if his figures are correct who is taking up the other 1400 beds?
As usual, the context ie capacity in this case, is left out. Fear graphs always are shown without context.
They wonder why the vaccinations aren’t having an effect on deaths in Israel yet. Well it needs more time to play out but there are two obvious explanations. The vaccine isn’t actually effective for the kind of people who it normally kills (I.e the old and sick). and/or the people aren’t actually dying of Covid. Pretty basic stuff but hypotheses any decent scientist should be eliminating before moving on to anything more complicated.
I sent another email to my MP. This one was entirely personal to me.
This is part of my email
“I’m asking you to check who is voting to remove my rights of freedom to leave my home and have a member of my family visit me as it is now seen as a major crime.
I went along with the fear mongering at the start of this and I expected our governments to prepare as promised (remember the prime minister “3 weeks to flatten the curve”) our hospitals and help protect the elderly and the vulnerable from this dreadful virus. I expected there to be a plan in place with better management of the NHS, after all that’s why we elect our members of Parliament.
We have had 10 months to prepare for a virus that even I knew by the end of summer was going to be seasonal and yet here we are imprisoned again and under house arrest for how long? only the first minister knows. We now have so many new laws being created to imprison us.
I can’t wear a mask, I get panic attacks and cannot breath, I did get an excmption card for that but am terrified to shop without the mask in case I get attacked or shouted at, or asked to leave the store, the propaganda in the media is now turning the country I love into something sinister that I feel threatened by from the public and the police. Neighbours are being encouraged to report on neighbours for the offence of having their own daughter in the house. That is not a society I want to be any part of, neighbours should be there for each other in times of crisis not being given excuses to phone the police because they have some minor grevience with their neighbour.
I now feel like a victim of mental abuse on a daily basis inflicted on me by the government in Scotland, the same government I voted for.
The law or rule changes, I haven’t a clue which, constantly and all because the NHS has been badly managed for years and the public are expected to protect the same system that was put in place to protect the public.
For 20 years I fought and mainly won my battles with depression and anxiety and last year I turned 60 I found myself having to ask for help for both depression and anxiety. The anxiety is now so bad I that I have a constant knot in my stomach. I have contemplated suicide before I asked for help but some days are so difficult that I find myself asking why bother as there is no end in sight, none. Broken promise after broken promise. I’m not being protected from a virus, I’m being slowly tortured by the very people I helped put in power.
I would be obliged if you could explain to me why my rights have all been removed, why I am now under house arrest and what crime did I supposedly commit to deserve this treatment? I would be grateful if I got a release date.”
My reply from this man was follows
“Thank you for contacting me with regards to your concerns over the lockdown restrictions. I am sorry to hear that you are finding this so very difficult.
We are all subject to restrictions on our lives now but the reality is that over 5,000 people in Scotland and over 80,000 people in the United Kingdom have died from this virus and we all need to do our part in preventing the spread of this horrible disease.
I do believe now we have the vaccine there is light at the end of the tunnel. I know it seems a long way off but by all of us complying with the Government Guidelines, we will be free of this virus sooner than if we do not.
Isolating can be very draining. Please do try to go out for some exercise and you can also meet another member of a household outside.
You can apply for an exemption card If you can get one you can wear it pinned to your clothing and that should reduce the likelihood of anyone being rude to you. I realise that getting out of the house is a priority and that you would prefer to shop yourself however it is sometimes easier to have shopping delivered.”
I have omitted his reply concerning my depression as he gives me details of mental health group from the Council he lives in and totally missed my point of me being afraid to leave my own council area, which is NOT the same as his.
Please note the “You can apply for an exemption card If you can get one you can wear it pinned to your clothing ”
What caring individuals are speaking for us.
Tell him to watch the YouTube clips of The Hamburg Syndrome a 1979 German sci-fi film – someone posted it on here. It’s exactly what’s happening to us now and I don’t believe it’s a coincidence! Don’t get depressed, get furious!!!
Did he at least provide a printable version of a yellow star – since You are not happy with their glorious fearmongering?
‘all because the NHS has been badly managed for years and the public are expected to protect the same system that was put in place to protect the public.’
Quite.
What a cretin. Wish I had more to offer other than I feel your pain. These moronic virtue signallers don’t care about anyone other than themselves and are the most selfish excuses for human beings I’ve ever had the misfortune of coming across. They’ll do anything to smack down others so they can feel “safe.” Or they just go along to get re-elected because they think they’re doing what the public wants, which makes them immoral cowards. Not a flattering picture in either case.
Name and shame this piece of dross. We need to get these assholes thrown out
Allan Dorans MP for Ayr Carrick & Cumnock
Latest NHS/Gov dashboard update shows 1295 deaths within 28 days of a test and on the same page 3417 registered covid deaths per week. No explanation of how in one week you can record over 7000 deaths within 28 days of a test but only record 3417 deaths registered?
This daily scary deaths within 28 days figure seems very weird and is only serving to whip up the hysteria and scare stories. I think it should b e dropped as a reporting measure but I am guessing there is little chance of that happening?
The weekly number currently only goes up to week ending the 1st Jan.
“Number of deaths of people whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes. The data are published weekly by the ONS, NRS and NISRA and there is a lag in reporting of at least 11 days because the data are based on death registrations.”
So unfortunately this will rise considerably soon.
I do agree the reporting of the death figures by date reported is very misleading.
Looking at the dashboard, the total of the figures for deaths within 28 days upto 1st Jan = 4770
That means that the deaths within 28 days is still showing 1353, (39.5%) more deaths than the actual registered deaths for that week.
So even going back to match time periods the ‘deaths within 28 days’ figure is way above the actual registered deaths. Why is this? what is the official explanation? and why is the UK apparently so happy to run with this glaring disparity in the official death totals?
You should insist he answers your question.
It’s Saturday, so this afternoon I was on my weekly country walk. I drove out about six miles from home and parked up in a big village.
Didn’t get off to a good start as I passed an unmasked woman carrying bottles of spring water who did the old body contortion routine. I turned and suggested to her that she shouldn’t be out if she was frightened of people.
Things improved from then on, however. I was avoiding the fields for the most part as they are very damp just now and passed a number of people out walking. Some families, some with their dogs.
Most were unmasked, but I did pass a couple, the woman wearing her muzzle. Ironically, perhaps she was very friendly and offered me a warm hello. Makes a change from all of the nutjobs doing their Donald Sutherland Invasion of the Bodysnatchers impressions.
I never imagined that there might be a human being behind the mask. You live and learn.
I photographed the pubs and churches I passed along the way. I’m always particularly sad when I see the empty pubs. Maybe my photographs will be worth something in a few years when they’ve all gone.
So a generally uneventful stroll. Cold, but at least it wasn’t raining.
This reminds me a little of the Moody Blues song, Dear Diary:
It is interesting how many lockdown sceptics seem to have their musical hearts in the 60s. Perhaps it reflects the turmoil of those times, Vietnam War, CND marches etc that had an influence that has carried through the years. As Bob Dylan put it and Peter Hitchens (another child of the 60s) talks about, ‘But I can’t think for you – You’ll have to decide
Do I have to sing a bar of “Alice’s Restaurant” then?
I envy You for being able to take photographs of Your depressing surroundings. Closed pubs are depressing in my eyes. Equally, I would love to capture the present state of affairs in Piriápolis – however ot would only take a short time and coppers would inquire why I am taking pictures of the sad state of town. One time in Montevideo, I was approached by plainclothes and they demanded that I delete under their watch the image of a beautiful blue house in Pocitos. They also advised to not take another picture – unless I would want to get arrested. Now I am tempted however to get a spycam…
It now appears to me that at least one of the problems that we have is ‘first past the post’.
Creating, as it has, a two party system and successive governments from either party where dissent is stifled through bullying patronage, the ‘payroll vote’, majority government has become unaccountable, exercising largely untrammelled power.
Exercised for the good of all, this bestowal of relatively absolute power, lacking a written constitution, by the electorate could be an excellent thing.
Exercised by a bunch of ‘Nervous Nellies’, no leader amongst them, in thrall to opinion polls, focus groups, to all manner of vested interests, many residing outside this country’s borders, this political system is now, manifestly, inimical to the interests of the citizens of this country.
Consequently, to my great consternation, it appears that the only vote worth bestowing, in future, must be, in due course, one for the Liberal Democrats since only they will offer the necessary reforms to the electoral system of this country.
And only under a system of proportional representation can the new parties that we so badly need grow and flourish.
Speaking for myself, the only way forward I can see is a system of direct democracy, such as they have in Switzerland. I’d sack the party system altogether and return to representatives.
I would go for that if the country was also split into democratic cantons….we already have them……counties…….but, to get there, we have to vote in a party committed to constitutional and electoral reform and there is only one party offering that……
Unfortunately, like all the other parties, they lack the key ingredient…..a leader…….
“Eidgenossenschaft” (Oath Co-op?) like in Switzerland maybe.
We had a referendum on proportional representation (it was the price the Liberal Democrats exacted for putting the Conservatives in power). The electorate rejected it.
No option for proportional rep in that referendum, only what we have or some complictated different system that no one understood.
It was 10 years ago and it was called the Alternative vote which sounded like something you wouldn’t really want to mess with.. Unlike Switzerland with their many referenda which are explained with extensive coverage of what the vote is asking people to choose between, we are left ignorant because it’s what suits the magisterium
That was then……..
I agree with your sentiments, although I couldn’t vote for LibDems. I have before, but not now. I couldn’t vote for Tories, Labour (especially not under Starmer); neither could I vote Green as I have in the past. So I suspect I may not vote next time (whenever that might be) unless someone with an ounce of sanity comes to the fore.
Same with me, I rather doubt that either of the proposed new Political Parties are going to come to much? I expect it is either Independent or a spoiled ballot paper for me.
I cannot vote for the Liberal Democrats, but I could vote for PR via the Liberal Democrats in order to free up the suffocating system of today for a breath of fresh air, young small enthusiastic and energetic new parties….no other way we can achieve that……
Remember the Alternative vote thing? They gave us a referendum on that. They totally welched out of real PR. Another massive sell-out from the lib dem dem.
This crisis has turned me into a republican.There is no point to the monarchy if they don’t intervene in a situation like this.
me too i’m afraid – i was generally supportive of the royal family in the past and thought they did some good causes and tourists like the traditional pomp and stuff which helped tourism economy etc.
But I now wonder what their role is apart from being state sponsored posh nobodies living an extremely priviledged lifestyle in those castles as our expense – nice gig if you can get it! Their role is very hard to identify and justify at the moment and becoming increasingly irrelevant despite the cute pictures of the kids!
The whole harry and me-again sorry drama has cemented this and who the hell gives a stuff about them? And Charley boy well he just goes on about the planet and crap they swans around in his private helicopter – hypocrite, if he really believes in the climate then he can walk to effin Davos later this month!
Sorry rant over
They are a waste of space.
Watched somebody today get their mask out of their pocket to go into a shop. It fell into a puddle. They picked it up and clamped it over their face anyway. Just to be safe.
I heard the other day that someone in a shop had forgotten their mask while that Dr Hillary was in there. He watched a bloke hand this other person their USED mask and they subsequently put it on! I don’t think it gets much more gross.
They are desperate to inject rat piss into their bodies, so sucking a bit through their virtue trumpets surely won’t make much difference.
Evidence that people are complying because it’s the law not because it makes them feel safer.
I have seen this more than once, people dropping them on the ground, then putting them on, beyond disgusting.
Isn’t this good news. All shops should do it too.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/15/i-am-open-50000-italian-restaurant-owners-plan-to-ignore-lockdown/
Good news, and good comments too
Yes they should
In light of all the contradicting news and policies dumped on free falling mental health of billions of humans the planet over, I was reminded of the late Bill Hicks – whom I still, or more than ever before adore, for his razor sharp mind and wit. My favorite combination.
At the peak of his insights into what ‘society’ actually constitutes, he converted what J. Krishnamurti had termed the “profoundly sick society” towards a much simpler analogy: “It’s just a Ride!”. Reading todays latest accounts of what happens in the UK and Europe, I was reminded of Bill Hicks assessment and realized that his notion could easily applied to the present mayhem dished out by wannabe dictators of all sizes and shapes. Allow me to introduce to You a Bumpersticker that You are free to use without limitations:
Covid vaccination A guide for older adults –
These are the sum of the symptoms of Covid19 they mention
A new and continuous cough
A high temperature
A loss of, or change in your normal sense of taste or smell
Feeling very tired
Have aching muscles,
Diarrhoea
Vomiting
Fever
Confusion
(No mention of the Covid toe that a few have reported on here)
Common side effects of the injection
Painful, heavy feeling and tenderness in the arm where you had your injection
Feeling tired
General aches and flu like symptoms
Although feeling feverish is not uncommon for 2-3 days, a high temperature is unusual ( This may mean you have Covid 19)
Symptoms following vaccination normally last for less than a week.
My 97yr old Aunty had her first injection (pfizer) a few days ago with no side effects.
Nearest for Mum at the moment is 11 miles(NHS calculation) this would be have to be by microlight aircraft . The shortest route by car is actually 21 miles.
PS
After being vaccinated you will have to
practise social distancing
wear a face mask
wash carefully and frequently
follow the current guidance
Tory MP Simon Hoare has just wet himself on twitter. Re Laurence Fox:
“I hadn’t realised that being a first class, ocean going, chateau bottled, nuclear powered prick was an exemption from wearing a mask. What a selfish loathsome tool this man is”
Perhaps those with twatter accounts (I don’t have one) might like to signal their support for this upstanding citizen?
Personally I think the unfortunately named Hoare is a “nuclear powered prick”, but that’s just me.
Since when did a salary of £82,000 entitle Hoare to be such a wanker in public?
One of the few good things that has come out of this is that no one now can ever be unaware how truly ghastly the Tory Party is.
And the Labour Party under Stalin Starmer
and the pansexual illiberal democrats…….
I don’t agree with a lot of what George Galloway says but he described them as 2 cheeks of the same arse.
As a member, I agree (I cast no vote in the last leadership election). But the Tories are undoubtedly in the lead for winning the Total Tosser stakes.
My vote didn’t arrive & I resigned from the Party at the end of last year-a mix of North Korea and Green Socialism was finally too much for me after 45 years.
I see virtually no difference in any of them to be honest. What we have now is a kind of National Government of the shits…Ramsey Macdonald would be proud.
A really nasty piece of work I tweeted the Swiss Policy Research page with lnks to studies refuting mask efficacy & the Dr Ted Noel Youtube video showing him blowing billowing clouds through a mask by vaping. But my MP took no notice so I’m sure he won’t.
he should resign making comments like that…fucking disgrace
Tory Party Code of Conduct
https://www.conservatives.com/code-of-conduct
7. Leadership – Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour.
actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs;
lead by example to encourage and foster respect and tolerance;
treat others in a professional and straightforward manner…
He’s following the example of Johnny ‘Johnny’ Mercer MP (Con., Plymouth).
Referred on Twatter to people like me who objected to being stopped at police roadblocks in Lockdown 1 as ‘kn*bs’, and people like James Delingpole, and by extension me, as a ‘c**t’ for not wearing a muzzle.
What a fine bunch of MPs we’ve elected to govern us – school-boyish imbeciles.
Bring it on.
These MPs are showing themselves to be really low level.
The man is entitled to think what he likes, but I really don’t think that it’s appropriate for a man in his position to be writing in that way on social media.
Couldn’t agree more.
Being an MP is no longer a particularly great job. So the people who do it are not high quality.
I’m not on twatter, but if you look at the attached John under ‘Controversy’, I would suggest ‘people in glass houses’, is pretty apt for Mr Hoare:
Simon Hoare – Wikipedia
Sounds like a man who has never got his hands dirty.
The ones who voted for him are the real WANKERS!!!
A few of these MPs have got too much time on their hands and it shows as – pardon the pun – the mask is slipping.
My bankers are Hoares…..
I just listened to 3 hours of a review of 2020 by the German corona auschuss (Fuellmilch etc).
I am so glad I speak fluent German, as this was one of the best resource to turn people. or at least stir up some questions.
Link please?
corona-ausschuss.de
Scroll down the page, it shows YT, but if you go their channel, it is not there.
Off topic but boycott Cadburys. If you have the stomach Google Cadburys cream egg advert. Its two men eating a cream egg at the same time. They wouldn’t show a man and a women doing this.
A man and a woman would get no woke brownie points.
It would if the man and woman were the correct woke orthodox colours.
My boycott list is getting very long…….
Live & Let Live I say , however making a mainstream Gay innuendo advert with fondant Creme egg putty sticking to each other’s lips !! Well !! ..
The wokists won’t even let you enjoy a creme egg in peace.Everything is politicised now
I am not anti-LGBT by any means but having it thrust in front of you all the time is wearing very thin.
When Kraft took over Cadbury they said they had no intention of closing the factory in Keynsham, near Bristol. As soon as the deal went through , they closed it, along with other sites and transferred production to poland cos it
s cheaper. Thus their products are boycotted in this house. Plus their products (sneakily tested) dont taste anywhere near as nice as they used to, they are halal and they continue to use palm oil. All in all – they can fuck off.I’m still amazed at how evil our Parliamentarians have turned out, I’m not naive enough to think that the majority arent in it for what they can get out of it, but never really thought they would stoop this low under guise of a low mortality virus, destroying everything and so blatantly
Interesting article on today’s update about suing GPs. If one great reform is needed following this mess, then it is root and branch reform of the NHS. It has ceased to function on so many levels that it is no longer fit for purpose. In the meantime, the people who run this wretched organization continue to demand policies that heap up the collateral damage. They may think they have widespread support, but, believe me, public opinion is slowly but surely turning against them.
Remember Thatcher and British Rail. Be careful what you wish for.
Exactly. The NHS needs reform – particularly in terms of its politically captured management.
But, as a user with wider experience than most, I know that ‘it is no longer fit for purpose’ is a totally nonsense statement.
There is an irony that the political impulse to rubbish the NHS comes from a political viewpoint that has consistently aimed to damage it.
What I do know is that, with all its faults, it’s more effective and efficient than the opposite extreme of the profit-driven US mess of a system.
As you say – “Be careful what you wish for”.
Society needs to be completely rebuild, but by citizens, not giant tech & the high and mighty.
This is going to take some doing, unless we want to become nothing more than farm animals.
Thank you. We need to start right away.
Why is the American system always held up when the NHS is questioned.There are many countries around the world who have better health outcomes than us.
Remember the semi religious feeling for the NHS has been weaponised against us.
Exactly. Healthcare in the German speaking world works well with a mixed model of provision combined with compulsory insurance. Most of the UK population is brainwashed about the NHS. Like Covid.
I’m not interested in the religious fervour around the NHS – the whole ‘Nurses have the clap’ business makes me puke.
I’m just looking at the reality, and the comparison with the US is based simply on observing the obvious – that privatised medicine is no solution, and is, by definition, more expensive and less efficient.
And, yes, there may be more efficient/effective systems.
But, of course, the key problems in the NHS are those deriving from politicized ‘buddy’ management and years of diversion of resources through various privatisation initiatives.
Give The Clap to Nurses!
John Major privatised the railways not Thatcher.It was also done according to EU laws and the track and rolling stock was separated.
I speak as someone who believes the Railways should be nationalised.
add police, local government, civil service, parliament, house of lords, legal system to that list. Its not a bonfire of quangos we need its a total reform of everything
Yawn – another unfocused hobby-horse race meeting.
I dont believe in a STATE health service…never have…call me a right wing Nazi/Fascist etc….we should have privatised the whole thing decades ago…RIP MAGGIE
“RIP MAGGIE”
Yes – words to celebrate – even if her successors have continued the damage, it’s one less!
I note your religious belief : “I dont believe …” etc. But religious fanaticism is never a good guide to sensible policies ….
troll alert
Idiot – again.
me too. everything the state gets involved in turns to shit. people need to grow up and own that there’s no such thing as free shit. life is hard, sometimes people don’t have the money to stay alive, that’s the way it is
The daughter – does she prefer cha cha cha or rumba?
Figures are showing we a re testing 5%of the entire population every day. Why? I’ve been past two testing stations today zip/zero/nada where are these people being tested???
Covid wards, over and over and over again every fucking 5 minutes.
Same film over and over again ?
Plus anyone with an outpatient appointment has to get tested a few days before. My mum has occasionally been tested several times in the same week!
Testing at work places. My son is tested twice a month.
health care i can understand anywhere else, tell them its against my ‘uman rights
Why don’t the BBC report about the testdemic, which is now reaching unprecedented proportions with outbreaks everywhere?
But 5%? Are they going into hyperdrive, or decimal point issue perhaps?
695,145 yesterday they claim. Pillar 2 has doubled in 2 months, pillar one is consistent at 190k so its not in hospital testing. Its people with nothing to do thinking aaah I think Ill have a test. Half a million people just decide to have a test in one day. No fkin way that is true.
pillar 1 is 90 k not 190k
NHS twice a week
NHS are presumably pillar 1 tests, not pillar 2 commercial. Number of pillar 1 tests has been pretty constant, not the huge rise in pillar 2.
Toby spent almost as much on one night in a Venetian hotel last year, as I get to live on for a month. So it didn’t surprise me that he thinks spending as much on four lunches as it costs me to feed myself (well) for a week is good value.
And aren’t his strapping teenagers allowed to open the fridge?
Other half …. live …..
Dude we are all on the same side. Personally I’ve been putting together perfectly nice keto brunches from mackerel, lambs kidneys, etc for about £1 a go, there is nothing particularly hard about it. But if you think Toby has too much money, the answer is simple, don’t send him a contribution. For my part I think he works very hard putting this site together, nobody else is doing what he’s doing and he’s entitled to go off message from time to time, it’s his site.
I agree.
I do support him monthly – despite my meagre income.
I totally agree this site is a godsend and fully appreciate what Toby provides for us here.
I recognise, not just the hours that Toby puts in himself, but also the fact that he pays the other editors and the mods.
I also salute him for his work in the Free Speech Union and I admire his courage.
However, I did take exception to today’s puff piece. People are relying on foodbanks FFS!
Apologies if anybody else has already posted this, but important:
https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000
Tick tock, tick tock…
That’s really good – but I would like to see more details of the judgment.
It wasn’t a judgement. It never got to court. The “service provider” settled so as to avoid going to court.
That was what I thought might be the case.
Good news : there’s obviously a recognition of the probable outcome
Bad news : it’s less firm than an actual judgment
Justfuckinlookatthelawwillyaitonlytakesfiveminutesferchrissakesificandoityoucanaaarrrgghhh!
Of course, milady.
You are correct. It is not “medically exempt” – it is exempt – and the exemption is self determined, no authority, medical or otherwise is required.
Because they haven’t followed my one-word advice earlier, and they are just making shit up. Herd stupidity.
Almost certainly the government has put pressure on them. It’s a bluff. If you know the law and stand your ground, they will normally back down.
To try and stop people saying they are exempt when they do not have an obvious (read: visible) disability… The fact that ‘extreme distress’ is on the government list of exemptions seems to have escaped the shops’ notice…
They want to be able to challenge anyone who looks – to their door marshalls – to be ‘fit enough’ to wear a mask…
just watched local BBC news
more vaccine centres – video of old people getting jabbed and mumbling through masks
then reports of police arresting those naughty protesters
then counts of arrests by police in various places for “covid law breaking”
reminded me of North Korean news, only with a little more state propaganda
Nice outfit though.
fiona spreads herself too thin – so she is cr*p on everything
Personality LESS.
and for the conspiracy theorists and colourists out there.. notice the colour . a bit purplish
Police patrolling the streets of Wolverhampton questioning and fining people who had no legitimate reason to be out on the streets.
I can’t believe I heard that from a straight faced newsreader or was she an Android?
And yet this afternoon, I was able to wander aimlessly around, mask-free, at a garden centre not a million miles from the streets of Wolvo, with no bother at all.
Never believe anything you hear and only half of that what you see is more pertinent now than ever.
If you have not already done so have a look at the massive catchup done by Richard D Hall & Andrew Johnson.
Will do.
‘Tory government trashes UK’s democratic credentials as totalitarian measures are adopted’.
Funny – I’ve not seen that headline from that bastion of Truth and Justice – the MSM..
More seriously, there is an underlying question about the role of ‘reasonableness’ in framing legislation when judged against an analysis of harms. The lack of constitutional protection has been revealed as immense.
West Midlands filth are utter scum.
50,000 Italian Restraunteers Defy Covid Lockdowns & 23 Die In Norway Days After Taking Vaccine (brandnewtube.com)
Non-seq comment
HARRYO 25 minutes ago
BOLIVIA: The communal ceremony of the burning of the face masks is accompanied by the chanting of “Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!”
Reply from Morrison’s…
“Thank you for your reply,
You will need to show a medical exempt card when shopping at the Morrisons stores.
Kind regards”
No such thing exists.Just make one up or boycott them.
According to official guidance (“even a homemade sign”), a piece of cut out cornflake box with “Exempt” written in crayon is just fine…
Interesting… just saw on Emma Kenny’s Twitter that there has been the first successful disability discrimination case against a shop that refused someone service due to them not wearing a mask. Won £7000…
Well that’s several more ex-Morrison’s customers looking for an alternative place to spend their money!
Overzealous/incorrect member of staff, I think. I received the following reply from Morrisons when I complained about the same thing:
Reply back saying “this is incorrect as per the government guidelines” or something along those lines, and they’ll reply apologising for their error.
Just been watching Nicolae Ceausescu’s last speech on the balcony being booed, a few days later he was up against the wall and shot.
Happy days. I can always dream of seeing other politicians having a Ceausescu moment.
Shit hit the fan that day for sure.
there will be a reckoning. there always is. but unfortunately usually only over a sea of blood and a mountain of corpses.
Nicolae? Seems to me I have heard that name or something very like it quite recently and closer to home than Romania
OMG
Look at this … “Have the New Jab” in the style of Hallelujah by a fucking family in onesies and their PJ-clad Dad.
I am so done. That is the worst and most pathetic thing I have seen in this whole pandemic, including banging pots and clapping at the sky.
What – and I cannot stress this enough – the ACTUAL fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnbOKH9Oe9s&feature=youtu.be
I clicked the link and watched. I was so outraged, I left a comment, saying:
Your comment doesn’t seem to be there now. 99% are sickeningly gushy.
I refuse to watch this. Let it be recorded for posterity that these useful idiots were the handmaidens of death, serenading the greatest genocide in history.
I am reliably informed by my other half that there is a website where these sort of people are known as the c*ntascenti.
dad is a history professor at Kent Uni. Mum was a history teacher .
so working at home on full pay . apparently they did all the tv shows last year during lockdown 1
Everything happening now is from a crap dystopian movie and I think I know how it ends..
‘No jab, no job’ says plumbing firm…
And so it starts: https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/no-jab-no-job-says-plumbing-firm-5354298/
The boss of Pimlico Plumbers (Charlie Mullins?) has since said on Twitter, that they (Pimlico Plumbers) cannot discriminate on the basis of someone not taking the vaccine.
Good – means they have had pushback.
Pimlico Plumbers are a disgusting outfit. They recommended more work for me than was needed after an emergency call out. Got a second opinion and less work done at half the price they quoted for the same scope.
The guy who runs them used to have a placard up at his HQ stating he was against Brexit.
Plumbers are in short supply anyway so any any plumber who does not want a jab will get plenty of work.
Yes, B****x to Brexit, prominently displayed right by the train track . Sums them up in a word.
Yes, all the best plumbers and electricians etc are self-employed.
One of our guys (( Sparks ) had to attend a call out the other week where the plumber in attendance was from Pimlico plumbers our guy was chatting to the plumber over a cuppa and asked him what sort of money Pimlico pay ? , have a guess what their day rate is ? £480.00 quid a bleedin day , That’s right their plumbers pick up £480.00 for a standard day . Mind you they have to give £2100.00 of that a month to Pimlico for the privilege of working for them and using their vans.
I really did pick the wrong trade
So Pimlico plumbers are essentially self-employed?
Yes pretty much , they are ” not on the cards ” as we say so they are probably operating as sole traders sub contracting to Pimlico.
I said to my neighbour that next winter and xmas will be the same as last one.This joke of a government will push the buttom and demand a lock down to save the n.h.s regardless of covid.
It will be the norm,even for flu.
Done it once,why stop.
i fear you’re right – witless n cohort have already primed the docile sheep that next winter will have restrictions … i think this is what they mean by the ‘new normal’!!! Constant fear, constant up and down of restrictions. Our freedoms which we once took for granted will be a distant memory! Seems pretty bleak to me.
Absent a substantial popular rebellion, I don’t think the current lockdown will be lifted at all. Indeed it will only be tightened further (see the SAGE recommendation above the line to institute internal travel restrictions using existing county borders). This is the installation of the permanent infrastructure to enforce the digital immunity passport. Why bother pretending?
Ferguson is already calling for restrictions to remain in place until autumn;at that point they will institute more to save Christmas again.
This only ends when enough people say it does
Even the witch trials stopped eventually.
yes, what are we saving the bloody NHS FOR, is what I want to know. it’s not providing medical care. I think it’s just being saved for itself, a self-serving behemoth.
Its being saved to pay the salaries of its 1.4 million employees.
Anyone else get this from some cove called Dominic Paul, CEO of Domino’s?
Since the pandemic began back in March last year, Domino’s has been privileged to be able to stay open and serve its communities.
We’re proud to have supported our frontline heroes during this time, and once again, would like to offer our most sincere thanks to all the healthcare workers who are currently working exceptionally hard to tackle Covid-19.
Whilst we’re not saving lives, we believe it’s important to support those who do, so to all our healthcare teams, we are truly grateful for all you are doing and continue to do for us.
As a way of saying a huge thank you to those incredible heroes keeping the UK going, we’ll be delivering £4m worth of piping hot pizza to hospitals across the country over the next four weeks – the same as we did back in April last year. etc etc
The people receiving free pizzas have jobs that are protected, and the vast majority also had pay rises. The money should be paid to the firm’s staff.
Virtue-signalling of the most vomitworthy kind!
So in addition to a 10% discount in the supermarkets, their own shopping hour, they now get free pizza? I think this kind of thing fuels the resentment people are starting to feel about the NHS.
no doubt there will be plenty of tictoc dances in celebration . just what we need .. more fat nurses
Quite – it’s hardly the healthiest option!
Not only that but they also received gifts from several companies during the first lockdown and discounts from certain retailers.
Hence why I’ve started calling the NHS the “new nomenklatura”
Isn’t it ironic that health care staff get pizza, cake, chocolate etc for free.
What is one of the riskiest underlying health condition? Obese and diabetic!
More corporate fascist lies supporting the elevation of the NHS into a state deity. Another company whose products I will never buy again (although I hadn’t already for years, Domino’s pizzas are fucking vile).
Yes – typical corporate garbage.
The pizzas and the public relarions.
A choice between Pizza Hut and Domino’s – I prefer the former.
GMO ingredients galore.
I wouldn’t eat that crap, if you paid me. I would hope any health care pro would think the same. The main reason so many can’t stave off a virus is they have eaten such poor food so much.
No,the nurses certainly eat it though.At the hospital where our daughter is a porter,the staff on different wards almost came to blows over who should get the most free stuff,often one ward got it all and locked it away from everyone else.
The hospital received masses of free stuff right through last year,from other pizza outlets and takeaways aswell,free milk,free crisps,free chocolate,free soft drinks.Local taxis were also carrying NHS staff around town for free.Apparently some food was donated for the patients due to the hospital kitchens being closed down but a lot of it was commandeered by staff instead.
No organic fruits and vegetables though, I guess?
Big deal,It will be offset against Domino’s tax bill I would imagine.
Bingo. Called “costs of doing business” and is tax deductible. For corporate persons for sure.
Why don’t they put that money towards pay rises for their staff rather than giving free pizzas to the NHS staff who are paid more than Domino’s staff?
I agree. Round our way, the NHS staff (and other civil servants like the police and – some of – the council staff) are the best paid people in the area. Yet I’ve seen NHS staff on local FB pages actually ASKING for freebies.
yes free professional fees for their registration, free parking and free anything fucking else they can think of,
Not exactly the most healthy of foods!
Apparently the real opinion polls, what the people are actually doing, indicates everybody was out and about and being human;
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13763115/matt-hancock-joins-crowds-as-brits-hit-parks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly
We have half term and then Easter coming up, we can only hope that the great mass of UK people will get out and about and do as they please.
Here they are at last! The 4th Annual Fake News Awards. The Dinos.
The Corbett Report once again producing an awards ceremony that charts the extinction of dinosaur media.
Fresh off the rack, and so unseen by myself, but the betting is Lockdown will pick up several awards this year.
At 1.25hr it is a rich feast of fakery. So sharpen your skills of perception as you sit back and enjoy The 4th Annual Fake News Awards!
[Trumpets]
From the palatial living room studios of The Corbett Report it’s the 4th Annual Fake News Awards. The boldest lies. The stupidest propaganda. The ugliest presstitution. Join James as he debunks the lies and shames the liars behind the biggest fake news stories of 2020. Who will take the Dino for the worst fake news story of the year? Watch and find out!
[More Trumpets]
https://www.corbettreport.com/fakenews4/
Or
https://youtu.be/_EkWhDDoips
The fact universities are currently starting to cancel graduation events for their students not only highlights how little they care about students beyond their wallets but helps you realise how hollow the promises of normality by Easter are.
Too true
Good spot. Pay attention to the actions, not the words. They are telegraphing their intentions so obviously now it’s laughable.
Worst of all is the students are upset about this for the wrong reason. They’re calling this understandable and necessary but they’re upset about no plan for an online alternative.
To hell with the online alternative I want to graduate with my course mates so we can celebrate together and finish our time together in a memorable way. Students are unhappy about this but aren’t willing to accept that they can be opposed to it.
Anyone of student age who is not vehemently opposed to this nonsense is already dead and buried. They are the ones who stand to lose the most. Lifelong interminable suffering is guaranteed if they consent without resistance.
Exactly. How do they expect to get a decent job at the end of this? How do they expect to meet a partner if this continues and human interaction continues to be limited to Zoom chats? They really haven’t thought this through, have they?
Clarity of thought and social awareness is extremely rare these days, especially in the young. They are the perfect fodder for the new technocratic slave state.
To be fair, I know of many students who know this is shit, and are very pissed off their graduations in person are being sacrificed to the great Moloch Covid.
What time of year would those be, Ricky?
June or July normally, maybe August in some cases.
Thanks! I didn;t go to my graduations and things might have changed since then in any case. Either way, it suggests that even a respite during the summer months isn’t on the cards, as many of us expected.
Our universities are essentially Agustus Gloop.
Read LS and the comments for many months but first time posting. I too this week have been emailing various CEO’s about the mask exemptions. My slight concern is the nudging towards the use of “medically exempt”. We here know what the gov website states currently but have the supermarkets been told a change is coming to remove exemptions other than medically? Not that it will ever be able to be implemented!
If it’s any reassurance, the trains have been broadcasting threats about ‘medical exemptions’ since the summer. It may just be ignorance of the law.
Which trains? Both TFL and SWR have said ‘except exempt’, never heard ‘medical’.
Increasingly feels society is in three groups:
Jogging in a mask just sounds ridiculous. Didn’t at least person in China die doing that because of oxygen deprivation?
Is it called the Darwen Awards where someone does something monumentally stupid and comes to harm?
When they eliminate themselves in accordance with the survival of the fittest.
Funny take, but I believe the Darwin Award is meant to go out to the dumbest individuals for their service of having removed themselves from the genepool of humanity. I often wonder what Darwin would say about this award with his name on it…
Covidian Awards?
I believe it was two school boys during their PE lessons.
And yes I’ve seen a jogger wearing a mask – Jesus wept.
Don’t know about weeping. His language might have turned somewhat colourful.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8283965/Two-Chinese-boys-drop-dead-run-PE-lessons-wearing-face-masks.html
Even the government’s own patronising website tells us that we should not wear muzzles if we are indulging in exercise. That’s good of them, isn’t it?
We just have to hope that the group 2 just eventually get bored to death with all the nonsense. Group 1 will never let go of it, group 3 never believe in it.
3 is where it feels warm and hopeful. The rest is just fear
Are the ladies and gentlemen of the press going to make some inquiries about our own statistics – no, didn’t think so:
55 Americans Have Died Following COVID Vaccination, Norway Deaths Rise To 29 | ZeroHedge
‘Bout time the Gov started reporting ‘Deaths within 28 days of being jabbed’
No dafter than reporting deaths within 28 days of a positive PCR/LTF test.
28 Days Later.
Is there any rationale to 28 days other than it was fore-shadowed by Danny Boyle’s film?
28 days? Isn’t that a lunar month and the average menstruation cycle? Maybe numerology? There, 28 (2+8) will result in 10, which is the Tarot card “Luck”. Who knows what these psychpaths use to create their numbers/combinations thereof.
Has Nancy had a go yet? Surely she must.
I wonder which MP will be tabling the necessary urgent ministerial question in the Commons next week. Won’t hold my breathe.
So twenty-nine dead is, according to Pfizer, in line with expectations”. Norway have vaccinated approximately twenty-five thousand people. Thus, the expected death toll (taking Pfizer at their word) is roughly one in a thousand.
Here the government have vaccinated millions, many of those with the Pfizer vaccine. Yet, according to the government, there have been no vaccine related deaths.
As someone pointed out, not in line with the recipient’s expectations.
Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they?
Thus, the expected death toll (taking Pfizer at their word) is roughly one in a thousand.
They might mean that one in a thousand from this sample would have died anyway. That could be about right but it would depend on the age profile of the recipients.
A bit like the profile of Covid deaths that are so unusual as warrant constant comment
It is quite awful that they (our press) do not make these inquiries in the UK. They let them quietly die instead.
The U.K. death rate for over 80s is about 300/100,000 per week. If 25,000 over 80s are dosed, then just by chance 75 would be expected to die in the week of vaccination. In fact 10 would by chance die on the day of vaccination. That’s an average. Statistics will tell you how likely a figure of 25 is by chance.
3M vaccinated, assume about 300k over 85 (a sixth of the target population) then yes that would be 1000 deaths in the week of vaccination. You can be absolutely certain this number is being measured by Pfizer as a post-marketing commitment. For statistics, the standard deviation on 1000/week is 32. That means If one measured four standard deviations from mean for values of concern 1120 deaths/week this would be noted.
The death rate for 75-84 is much lower, 100/100,000 and then halves again for 65-74, and again for 45-64.
I think the reporting would be slightly different if this was a story about ‘Covid’ deaths.
They’ll be chem trails drifting over, the white cliffs of Dover …
Schwab, Gates, Biden, K. Harris, Johnson and company=artificial intelligence.
When you think of all the excellent and exceptional people who’ve been done away with over the year – it does make you wonder how no-one has ever ”got at” the ones who actually deserve to be wiped out.
Anybody else notice that the new variant is making the beers go down 70% faster?
Been making beer, wine, whisky go down at least 50% faster since March 20.
You the man!
You are in excellent company. Lukashenko, the Belarussian president that refused to implement the Western values lockdown, recommended to drink enough alcohol to maintain a healthy blood alcohol level that no virus could survive. My Dad is also following this advise with his soon 87 years. It obviously works.
I’m drinking as much as I can before prohibition. There will be no outlet for the proles, the state wants to control everything. I’m keeping the Absinth on ice for the final act.
Homebrew?
Get a still while you still (b’bum) can.
All well and good until rural areas are forcibly depopulated and agriculture is completely turned over to synthetic GMO produce (which will not include the crops required to make alcohol).
Any crop that is edible can be used to make alcohol
Yes, I accept that we might be totally fucked. But what then?
On the bright side, I might meet the beautiful but slightly naive Marianna Spring in a camp, and we might get talking…
No – just get in a stock of demijohns and yeast and make your own out of tinned fruit.
Stock up!
it will be like the ex-pat life in Saudi: we’ll all be making moonshine from orange juice and baker’s yeast
4yo nearly dies leads to doc ranting against masks. VG.
https://brandnewtube.com/upload/videos/2021/01/A5g5C98fgA4sIiwuBqJQ_11_2960c40652040a9451cad9787e1e9dac_video_480p_converted.mp4
He speaks my thoughts. Amazing . Thanks.
The tissue thin facade that is pretending elite sports can be sustained – part of the bread and circuses strategy- is beginning to be torn asunder
Australians waiting to get into their own country are stuck because there is a cap on numbers due to the requirement to quarantine in hotels on return, but the queue has been jumped by 1,200 tennis players and their entourages flying down for the Aus Open
Players were meant to quarantine and be able to practice, now an “outbreak” has been discovered on one of the flights (how come – surely they were wearing masks?) and 47 players now cannot even practice. 2 weeks alone in a hotel room, can’t practice, go and lose in first round
Meantime lockdown and vaccine and mask zealot Andy Murray can’t go because he has tested positive so is stuck at home
How fortunate I am that I never saw the point of sport.
But, in the spirit off being kind, I recognise that others do, and am sorry that something that matters to others is being crushed.
I’ve been a Liverpool fc fan, all 46yrs of my life. Even knowing how everything is by design I was still sucked in by the drama. But When the football came back without the fans, I refused to watch or listen to a single game, and still haven’t seen any footage of the team lifting the trophy. And even when fans are allowed back into the stadium, I think I’ll save my time and money and give it to the Sunday league’s, under 18s or the local park kickabout
I’m sorry it’s been wrecked for you.
I did mean it. I have a tendency, even in type, to sound more ironic than I mean. I am sorry it’s been trashed for you.
The only thing I’m sorry about is all the time, money and emotion I vested into this circus. I got quite sniffy about it when Sky took over, and all-seater stadiums came in, pricing ordinary fans out of the stadiums, and forced to pay a subscription to watch it at home. Also I was Pretty sure Hillsborough, when I saw the events unfolding with the premier league, etc. the tragedy was engineered, to usher it all in. But still watched and went to the odd game. But this time, I’m done for good. The politicisation of football, the kneeling, and the empty stadiums, was the last straw for me.
My friend asked me why I had lost any interest in football. I replied:
‘I’m sorry. It’s just fake football now’.
He replied ‘Yeah, you’re so right’ and now he doesn’t pay it any attention also.
I used to follow footbal and cricket – especially cricket.
As you say, all feke now. I have zero interest.
What the cricket authorities have done at their game is beyond idiotic. In the 20 over stuff the players spend as much time finding the ball in empty stands than playing cricket. A complete farce.
I think the footballers have made a decent fist of salvaging something from the shit their own authorities have given them. There was never a need for empty stadiums but the Premier League gave that the government on a plate, all the rest of the virtue signaling around the edges is pretty sickly but the players have put some decent football on. I get the feeling many prefer it without spectators.
Good, I hope all professional sports completely collapse, and never come back. Besides, sports stadia are ready made facilities for internment/execution purposes.
I used to love watching tennis, have not watched it or any professional sport since this shit started and will not do so until it’s over
I think sport is better participated in than watched, but pro sport does serve to inspire as well as entertain, albeit a lot of pro sport has become a distasteful circus
I don’t wish it collapses because it gives people pleasure and as such it has a right to exist, and anything that is being killed by coronamadness I am sad to see go, even things of which I disapprove
In the short term however I agree – if you removed pro sport and indeed other entertainment from screens people would start to realise life was pretty empty and start to push back – right now pro sport is opium for the masses to keep them compliant and docile
I spent 20 years as a season ticket holder at football, and loved every minute of it. However sport without crowds is nothing. My current loathing, and desire to see it annihilated, is because professional sports have been amongst the most zealous proselytisers for the Covid Cult ideology that is destroying our society. For this, I have no forgiveness.
Good point.
In every society the dominant entertainments reinforce the dominant ideology.
same for me watching the french open with so few spectators wearing masks was a real turn off. I won’t watch tennis again in such an awful atmosphere – can’t be great for the players either.
What was worse was the lovely young lady who won the women’s event made to lift the trophy outside with a muzzle on.
And Strictly. No strictly, masses revolt.
”…sport is better participated in than watched…” Oh, how true. I have loved my years playing tennis, but never enjoyed watching it for hours on end.
Even the joy of playing has now been taken away from us – all ages too. It’s just another empty and twisted result of the control this disgusting government has indulged in. (I’d like to bet MPs still play on their own private tennis courts with their friends.)
well every cloud has a silver lining – and if that misery murray will not be gracing our screens with his total lack of personality and whinging then I’d say that’s a good thing.
He most likely would have been knocked out in the first round anyway.
I actually think he’s quite funny and the whingeing has been exaggerated, but I think he’s a virtue-signalling tosser and pro-lockdown/vaccine to boot so I’ve little sympathy
And in thrall to the EU. But I suppose we have to follow the money.
Good – the more these lockdown lunatics’ lives are made a misery by their own foolishness, the better.
So, there are good news and not only acid reflux inducing propaganda. Glee is a wonderful thing, or is it Schadenfreude? Either way, I am excited.
I am conflicted. My prediction, for what it’s worth (not a brilliant track record although got the Brexit vote and Johnson majority right) that there is going to be a problem with the vaccines, such that it will not be possible to ignore or obfuscate.
I have friends who want it, some older, and I can (just about) imagine the reasons for their trust. I think the health service in this country did used to act in the interest of patients and most medical professionals probably still think they do. The sociology of professions underlies a self-endorsing/perpetuating schema for what they do.
How anyone can justify this experimental vaccine defies the merest of critical thought. People are being misled with false promises or bullying (get the vaccination to keep doing your job).
I feel sorry for my friends who are going to take it. Hopefully most of them will be ok but if they are younger I fear there will be sequelae which will cause them harm.
I also fear for the older amongst them, who might well die when they are exposed to the “wild” virus after their two vaccines.
I want something to happen to stop this medical nemesis in its tracks – but of course I don’t want anyone in my circle of friends/family to suffer the consequences.
My feeling is that vaccine injuries and deaths are going to be marketed as a new deadly strain of Covid. This will lead to a cycle of ever tighter restrictions and even more pressure to take the vaccine, which in turn will lead to more injuries and deaths. Rinse and repeat until the devastation is so great, and the people are so totally traumatised and exhausted, that the technocratic takeover of whoever is left will be a piece of cake.
Or we could we could rise up and…you know, do a Jean Paul Marat
Marat was a bloodthirsty fanatic .
Deservedly stabbed to death in his bath by Charlotte Corday, a brave young women who was subsequently guillotined by the Committee of Public Safety .
I fear that too – but the homoeopathically small optimism I have says that there are medics who will debunk if it happens…. we shall see.
If there is a medical staff rebellion it won’t be in this country. The NHS is too far up its own arse as the new state religion. Overseas is a different matter.
they should do an autopsy on all those dying after having had the vaccine to determine the cause of death. I very much doubt they will as throughout this shitshow they haven’t done autopsies and also it would probably show up results that the regime don’t want us to know and keep the fear going…
A doctor in Germany insisted on doing autopsies despite being told not to, and surprise surprise almost none of the deaths were caused by covid directly
Yes – Klaus Püschel in Hamburg.
The autopsy done on a 90y old who died within the hour of vaccination in Germany resulted in – not related.
I have no medical training, but what is the likelihood of finding sth unless it is a heart attack, stroke or sth similar?
How easy will it be to show sth like “Auto immune shock” days later?
The Coronavirus act brought in on 5th January 2021 includes the law that the government can prevent autopsies being carried out and insist on cremation over burial- this law came in without anyone questioning it and, I think, was never voted on but whatever it was unopposed
Very sinister. What’s the rationale (officially) behind insisting on cremation rather than burial? Surely that’s the choice of the deceased if they had made their wishes known or their families.
I think it might have been Dr. Simone Gold, but I did just hear a doctor suggesting to people who want the experimental treatment (aka “vaccine”) that they should consider pre-paying for an autopsy in the event they die shortly afterwards. It’s exactly as you suggest — they will not perform an autopsy and will chalk the death up to some underlying condition and will never admit it was the treatment.
Norway have carried out autopsies on their 25 dead.
Again Sir, Thanks for putting my thoughts into words.
well, of course they will be, and you know who will be blamed, don’t you…all those ‘selfish’ and ‘deranged’ anti-vaxxers
My gut feeling is that, when people start dying in numbers as a direct result of the vaccine, the finger of blame will be pointed at one of the mutant Brazilian variants already lined up and waiting in the wings – “it was too virulent for the current vaccines to cope with. Hang on, we’ll have to produce another vaccine”. And so the never ending circus will go on.
Valance stated that In fridays press conference.
See what this doc says about vaccines. Not so good. And no I wouldn’t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FNNyI7Zug0
Wow! Thank you for sharing this!
Good interview straight to the point. Sent to family members but I already know I’ll get radio silence, I think they think I’m crazy but hey ho I’d rather be on this side of crazy anyday.
“I want something to happen to stop this medical nemesis in its tracks – but of course I don’t want anyone in my circle of friends/family to suffer the consequences.”
I’ve reached the conclusion that the only way to knock the complacency out of my family is for something bad to happen to one of them with a vaccine.
It’s the ”penguin situation” again. Where the penguins, on an ice shelf, push one of their number over the edge and then peer over to see if anything happens to him. If he’s okay, they jump in. If a leopard seal gets him, they wait a bit….
See above Norway v concerned about multiple deaths of elderly people soon after vaccination.
The 3 at the top Johnson, Whitty and Hancock, will all lie with complete impunity. Anything can be brought up to fit to requirement. I struggle to believe a word any of those 3 say. They might go even past Bush and Blair as liars.
why struggle? the sooner you discount everything they say, the more clearly you will see the true picture
Sorry wrong words. I don’t believe anything they tell us.
There is a difference though.
Blair had an ideological agenda which was barely hidden. Yes, he would use mendacity to achieve a goal, but generally the goal was clearly defined. In the obvious example of Iraq, he created the narrative required in order to pursue his belief in liberal interventionism.
But what is the agenda of Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Valance? What are their principles? What do they believe in? What are their goals?
Not only are these renegades liars, but we don’t know why they’re lying. It certainly doesn’t appear to be on the basis of any ideology and clearly isn’t for the benefit of the British people.
A higher power pulling the strings? Maybe.
They left those 2 months ago
Don’t forget Starmer. He really wouldn’t want to be left out.
They already have.
yeh, the problem is we no longer live in a ‘nice’ world, we have to get our heads around the fact that the opportunities we assumed our children would have aren’t there any more, everything we hoped for pre-2020 we can just put out of our minds now, they’re not happening. the choice is stark: submission or resistance: in neither will there be any happy ever after, but one is the right choice, the other wrong
I’ve been struggling with this issue as well. I would like to shout from the rooftops to all my friends and family that this is an experimental medical treatment (I refuse to call it a vaccine) and they are being “asked” to take part in a human trial for which the long-term effects are unknown and the manufacturers have been granted blanket immunity from adverse effects caused by their product. While this is my inclination, I have decided that I cannot save everyone from their own ignorance and stupidity. I’m in hunker down mode and really only care about a handful of people, and those people won’t disown me if I make my case to them. My husband is a big no, so we’re on the same page. I have told my girls they had better talk to me first before making any decisions. They’re the ones I’d end up having to take care of financially and every other way in the event something terrible happened to them, so I have a vested interest in whether they choose to be guinea pigs. They don’t want it but are afraid their lives will become unliveable if the level of coercion is ramped up, so I find myself in the unfortunate position of hoping the number of deaths and injuries become too hard to ignore before any of my loved ones have to decide.
Imagine the pubs were open and the whole country was talking about the vaccines over a few, face to face. There would be a lot of people asking many more questions. No wonder this lockdown and the rest are bing capitalised on for all sorts of agendas.
I am totally with you, Lisa. My 18 year old daughter knows that she has nothing to fear from COVID, but is determined to take the shot because she doesn’t want her future restricted. She doesn’t care about fertility risk or possible allergic effects. She has severe food allergies. I have told her the points you made above, but to her it is a closed discussion. Evil times.
there is at the very least a question mark about a vaccine (Astrazeneca) that was trialled in UK, South Africa and Brazil.
Isn’t that an atuenuated vaccine as well, that’s is not like Pfzier’s
It has everything to do with having become so removed from Nature and natural living, that people have abstracted death as the prerequiste for Life. Death is removed from daily life and only of concern when plandemicists threaten the population with it – totally removed from the individual occurence of each human being’s departure. One would think that religion would have relativated this fear, but obviously not.
This petition is not gaining signatures fast. Please sign and encourage others to likewise
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564347
Done
Just signed.
But of course what we should really expect is for it to be illegal for any PRIVATE COMPANY OR ENTERPRISE to make it mandatory as a condition of accepting business.
Or is that in itself illegal?
I think governments all over the world have shown in the last 10 months that anything can be made illegal.
Signed. I’ve lost count of how many of these I’ve done in the last 10 months. None of them have made a blind bit of difference of course, but that’s not really the point.
What is really galling is the reply from the government to any of these petitions. A more patronising load of tripe and insulting tosh you couldn’t expect to see. Obviously written by poorly educated minions.
More likely to be highly educated, highly paid (by us) minions.
absolutely. the point is to dissent. without dissent, they could reasonably claim or even believe that nobody minds, that they had no reason to believe that what they were doing was wrong.
We could do with key petitions that support the cause being featured on the sites front page, similar to the on-going legal challenges. It avoids them getting lost in the forums.
Maybe many aren’t bothering becuase petition debates are still indefinitely suspended and there is a huge backlog already. I still sign because I’ll take every opportunity to express my views but I can imagine some people just feel it’s a waste of energy.
It doesn’t take much energy to sign a petition. They might not get anywhere but each one is an expression of discontent and thus exerts a certain amount of cumulative pressure. I’m happy to sign hundreds if it troubles the Govt.
Done.
Signed three days ago.
Done
Bloomberg reporting a couple of hours ago that Norwegian authorities very concerned about 29 deaths of elderly people soon after receiving the vaccine.
Told you so, says I. What is a challenge for young people can be a death sentence for the very old and frail.
Any coverage on the UK networks? I think I know the answer.
It was reported in The Sun online yesterday. The report said the authorities in Norway were particularly concerned about 13 people of the headline figure of 23 (this was yesterday). All the 23 recipients were over 80 years of age. I skimmed over the article it was sent to me as proof that MSM are reporting facts.
If they are reporting facts, they would be asking how many have died here and publishing the answer.
Also reported in the BMJ. Not the BBC of course.
I wonder whether Govt and cronies (and maybe many of the population) will take the view that a death hastened by the jab is more acceptable than one hastened by the virus in the same way that a slow death from cancer or any other treatable condition has been framed since it is claimed to be on the covid side of the equation. Not sure I’m making sense, but I can imagine Whitty telling us that if it wasn’t for covid-19 then the jabs wouldn’t be necessary, therefore they are covid deaths.
I am sure he would. The term they use for the deaths caused by their responses to the virus is: indirect Covid 19 deaths.
It’s particularly notable in Norway because they have a low number of deaths from actual Covid.
I want a full proper lockdown.
No Amazon deliveries
No Tesco’s workers
No power station workers.
No water treatment.
No Police
No Government.
No one to maintain the Internet / Netflix etc
Let’s see who wants it now,
It is a pandemic after all, is it not ?
Surely every life counts ?
Also, maybe people could try being me, one of the excluded 3 million who get no government support, no wages, but hey, we are all in this together!
I am in that club too liztr835. Not a club I enjoy being a member of.
That’s 3/3000000 of us on here at least.
The government’s message is that everyone should behave as though they have the virus, ie, that they should self-isolate indefinitely.
We’ve really got some real dopes operating the levers of power. How terrifying is that?
I could make it easier than that. Close EVERY school, college & university, basically every teaching facility. Lay off ALL STAFF without pay, they can have the jobs back once the emergency is over.
Teaching unions are pushing for tighter & longer lockdowns, so let them have the associated pain.
Please don’t sack me. I was the only member of my university department to teach in person all last term. This term, the university has banned all teaching on campus.
If I could, I would go to campus every day and teach my seminars in a classroom or even on the lawn. Or in a bus shelter, I don’t really care at this point.
And I have declared my support for the GBD in a staff meeting, so I’m not even in the closet about my opposition to this lunacy. I TOTALLY deserve to keep my salary!!
Great work, although this does mean you are on the list of dissidents to be liquidated when the takeover is complete.
That list is the only place to be.
Agree totally. This is a matter of honour. If you are not on this list, it shows there is something seriously wrong with you.
+1
I’ve never worn a mask on campus. Instead I’ve scuttled in like a rat, and scuttled away again, praying each time I don’t get reported.
The students, God bless them, across the full range of beliefs on this matter, have not snitched on me.
Out of interest – did you consider declaring yourself exempt? I did that and wore the lanyard as part of my work outfit.
If challenged that would be my line. And not without justification on several grounds – but the main one is that this is a disgusting imposition not just on me but on everyone else.
I have not presented myself to the authorities, and I don’t want to wear a lanyard. If forced, I may go down that line. I don’t want to lose my job. But if I can slink under the radar I shall.
Just reading this exchange. I’m a fellow scuttler at the school I teach at. I get the occasional “Nice mask sir!” but only two run-ins with self-appointed mask police. I had to make a fairly thorough medical declaration upon employment so I can hardly make something up now. “Extreme stress” will not convince. I object to the lanyards almost as much as the masks. It feels like another, slightly different, form of consent to this imposition. Not having to bother about any of this is the one positive thing about online teaching.
Yes, I admit to feeling some relief. I was down for at least one module on campus this coming term. I’m glad I won’t need to plan my route and consider my timings.
Yes! Route-planning, and accepting there are some areas I can only visit at funny hours have become a part of life. I have a slight hope, more a fantasy really, that resumption of education in February will coincide with the abandonment of these things. But in reality many teachers actually seem to enjoy them and they’re often worn outside as a way of looking important. So as soon as one teacher puts one on they all copy.
Unfortunately sometime we all have to take some pain. I work in education as well.
Yes! After all, jobs can come back, can’t they? People’s lives can’t!!!
I like your thinking. Along the lines of “DROP THE BOMB, EXTERMINATE THEM ALL” scrawled in red across a page of Colonel Kurtz’s journal in Apocalypse Now.
In fact this has been mentioned on here before: air strikes in areas with high infection rates. Sounds like a plan to me.
Kill everybody within a two-mile radius of an infected hospital. Infallible.
If it saves one life …..
“air strikes in areas with high infection rates. Sounds like a plan to me.”
only way to be sure
Terminate with extreme prejudice .
“Are my methods unsound?”
“I don’t see any method at all, sir.“
We must exterminate them all , Business after Business , Pub after Pub ,
napalm??
Willy Pete (white phosphorous) would be more effective. It cooks human flesh from the inside out but does no other damage.
Douglas MacArthur had some ideas about that.
Yes. Whenever someone says they’re in favour of a ”full lockdown” then they should first answer the question: ”Are you paid from the public purse?”
It’s the only way to truly eradicate the virus.Lets go for it
Police bullying at new low beating up protesters in Birmingham today .
Maybe time to defund the police
Enemies of the people and cowards to boot
”Defund the police”? Yes, something needs to be done. But what to put in their place?
Same technique in Toronto as the UK – takes about 10 coppers to take down and arrest a lockdown protester. Are they afraid? Why not just 1 or 2 coppers per protester? An honest question.
https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1350500998209544194
Show of strength. Fearmongering.
Yup, that’s why I left. I still live in a police state, but in a rural area they’re few and far between. The only bit of good news I can report is that the constitutional lawyer who is taking on the government was just retained by a group of former and current police officers who do not want to enforce these draconian measures. They’re not all “just following orders” types.
Usforthem Scotland shared this from an Edinburgh headmaster. Bravo!
Children still don’t matter
As an educator, I’m interested in researching the facts and trying to teach children the importance of responsible sources of information and also the importance, in any situation, of perspective.
So, in the interest of perspective, using reliable sources of information, I offer the following:
In the year ending 2019 (all figures taken from the World Health Organisation website):
55.4 million people died globally
8.9 million people died from Heart Disease
6 million people died from Strokes
In the year ending 2020:
1.95 million people died from Covid-19
But of greater interest, perhaps from my personal perspective is how the world’s children have fared.
In 2019 (all figures taken from the WHO):
1.4 million children, under the age of 5, died of pneumonia (preventable)
525 000 children, under the age of 5, died from diarrhoea (preventable)
In 2020:
172 children, under the age of 16, died from Covid-19
In Scotland, since lockdown: (taken from NHS Scotland Information Services Division)
784 adults have committed suicide, an increase of 15%.
The biggest percentage increase (50%) in suicide by age and sex was in the age range of 15-24 year-old men.
In my previous post, I quoted six months waiting times for a mental health appointment in the Lothians; this was incorrect, as I quoted the figure from pre-lockdown. The waiting time is now in the region of eighteen months. So, if your child develops an eating disorder in January 2021, please don’t worry, because they’ll be seen by a mental health professional in July 2022.
To the Scottish and UK governments and to all media commentators:
Based on the figures quoted above, why are we following our current strategy and why is there no opposition to it?
Children need to be with their friends. Not even during the dark years of World War 2 were children isolated from other children. Such a policy is doing immeasurable harm to the future generations.
Perhaps those in power don’t really understand, or believe, that the impact of lockdown is unimaginably devastating on our children’s development. I’d be interested to know how many child mental health experts sit on SAGE. How many form part of the Scientific Advisory body to the Scottish Government? How many mental health experts even sit on Scotland’s Education Recovery Group?
Let’s shield those who are vulnerable (including teachers) but please, please, please OPEN schools. Our children matter too.
Rod Grant
Headmaster
A thousand times yes for this post.
His paragraph about facts and perspective is pretty much what majority of people are seriously lacking in.
That’s one of the most powerful letters I’ve read so far. I hope it gets circulated widely in the MSM.
For me, the treatment of our children through this mess is what confirms it as an evil death cult.
The people at the top of this cult feed on children. Literally. See adrenochrome.
I know brother.
Trump had the US Marshals running around trying to break up as many human and child trafficking rings as possible.
That’s why they hated him so much.
While I appreciate the polite questioning as of to “why”, I like to point out, that this has been the idea behind these ‘measures’. Only in the context of projecting the consequences for these crimes against humanity, will one understand why they are perpetrated. We are not supposed to live a long, healthy and happy life anymore than the people of Yemen, Libya, Syria, or Palestine – to name but a few places.
Superb. I get the feeling we will just have to solve these problems ourselves going forward.
Has anyone else heard the radio adverts asking for men who have had the virus to come forward to donate plasma as this will help with finding a cure?
We already have several “vaccines” why do they need plasma?
I thought the plasma was used for treatment?
I think they will stop now, on the news yesterday that plasma has now been found not a cure for Covid.
Needs to be given earlier to patients at risk of serious progression. By the time patients are admitted to RECOVERY they’ve basically cleared the virus.
I donated but my antibody titer was too low. My friend has donated six times!
Yes I wondered that
Looking for antibodies?
Just another little tweak, keep the anxiety going while reassuring that ‘something is being done’. Plant stories.
A good article by OffG on how the screw is tightening on freedom of speech:
https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/16/a-new-definition-of-free-speech/
“We must work to ensure harmful speech is regulated in order to ensure broad participation in the public discourse that is essential to our lives — and to our democracy.”
Orwellian translation: “Anyone who disagrees with the state must first be silenced, then eliminated.”
There’s only one way this kind of thinking ends. With bodies in mass graves.
Even if they make headway and pass laws in this vein, I think its putting a lid on a boiling pot. There is no way you can contain things for very long. It just creates problems as society is ground down more and more. An explosion is certain and it won’t be pretty.
I tend to agree. Western societies are normally good at releasing pressure through safety valves but seem to be losing that ability or are acting as if it doesn’t matter.
The latest iteration of the lockdown hysteria in China is out:
Chinese Lockdowns Trigger “Chaos And Panic” At Grocery Stores As Prices Soar 50% | ZeroHedge
This clip could have easily been produced in a single market with no more than 50 paid crisis actors.
Note that the tweet is sourced from an account called, “Things China Doesn’t Want You to Know,” which plays up the idea that these videos are genuine and show something the CCP wants concealed.
This is precisely the angle that was played up around this time last year by YouTubers like SerpentZA and laowhy86 when they showcased the video clips of randos dropping dead in the streets of Wuhan.
“Look at what China’s trying to hide guys! This is really serious and they don’t want you to know about it!”
They really have nothing new in their toolkit. It’s just repeating the same old, tired routines ad nauseam. This is one of the reasons I believe the source of much of this is machine intelligence, not human. A.I. cannot create anything.
For sure.
I was recently disappointed by the “China Unscripted” YT channel giving a platform to those same individuals to push the exact same angle.
“China’s totally lying, the West is totally transparent with their numbers! This is really serious guys!”
We have come to realize duding the last few years that the US power constellation is far from monolithic, as seen during the power struggle recently.
It would surprise me if factions did not exist within the CCP, with agendas that often conflit with each other.
I am thinking in this connection of the NIH ( from the US) sponsored gain-of-function viral research done at the famous Wuhan lab.
Dr. Faustus is up to his neck in this research.
SPI-B are human
Why do you think those Youtubers were taken in like that? They were both familiar with China and far from CCP-friendly.
My working assumption has been – following Jon Rappoport’s suggestion – that China suffered some kind of pollution incident in Wuhan and cooked up the virus story to cover it up.
It’s not necessarily that they were taken in.
It may be as simple that those two individuals are seeing what they want to see in China and the CCP because of their perspective on both entities.
Propagandists likely noticed this tendency in them and started a push to label those clips as, “dangerous,” or censor them outright, realizing they would react in this way.
It is an extremely low-risk, high-reward gambit for the propagandists.
Thousands had been protesting against the industrial waste incinerators in Wuhan for several months before the virus gave the authorities to temporarily shut down the city, and blame any deaths on it.
Interesting- and in 2018 a company supplying parts to Apple – Meiko electronics -discharged heavy metal polluted water into the drinking water which led to legal action being taken and a lot of anti US feeling locally apparently
Agree. Probably a psyop.
But what’s the motive on this one?
Maybe just to ratchet up general anxiety and insecurity.
The father of a colleague of my spouse passed this week the day after his second jab. He had dementia, but apparently it’s just a coincidence.
Vaccines and experimental therapies attract a disproportionate number of coincidences, don’t they? I know correlation doesn’t equal causation, but enough “coincidences” can certainly be indicative of a very strong correlation.
Norway.
We will never know the effect of the vaccine.Anything detrimental will be suppressed.We no longer live in a free and open country.Power has corrupted everything.
In many other countries, including the US, figures are being collated and published every day of people who have died or reported possible side effects after receiving the vaccine irrespective of whether it might have been a coincidence or directly related to the vaccine. I am happy to be corrected but I am not aware that any similar figures are being published in the UK. Based on the number of elderly people vaccinated in the UK to date it is not plausible that none have subsequently died or suffered adverse events – indeed we know from personal testimony such as yours and on other BTL forums that there have been deaths (not necessarily related to the vaccine). We need to have transparent figures but these do not appear to be forthcoming at present.
Check out the Daily Mail!
All over for Hancock??
This story couldn’t come at a better time. Mass dissent from masks and staying home, school attendance going up, Italy fighting back, mask burning in Bolivia, and now Hancock, the architect of the fear in this country, caught out in the park. Made my day.
Not really. He’s allowed out to exercise like anyone else. What about the videoer: Should they have to stay in too?
Hancock is not behaving like someone who has virus though is he?
Maybe he’s behaving like he has asymptomatic covid.
Somebody kill the cunt
Yes, I can’t stand the guy but all he’s doing appears to be exercising in a local park with a member of his own household. Children should be out in fresh air enjoying themselves so as a parent he was encouraging this within rules..
His behaviour was within the law, but it contradicted his repeated exhortations, specifically that everyone should behave as though they have the virus.
If you have the virus and you are well enough to do so, you should be out in the fresh air getting lots of exercise with other people. So he was spot on.
Yes. Ordinarily a man playing in the park with his kid wouldn’t be an issue.
But Hancock and his boss have spent the last few days telling us all to only go out if absolutely necessary. It was only this week that he was applauding police for stopping somebody sitting on a bench, or holding a coffee.
How “essential” is playing in a busy park?
Doesn’t he have a garden? The man has no shame.
He was taking the p*ss.
He obvioulsy has no sense of self preservation either. If I were him I’d be wearing a bullet-proof vest, walking fast and zig-zagging.
He should have been in Wolverhampton and been harassed by police for having the temerity to be outside.
If he had been in Wolverhampton, I’d have been there in no time at all, AK47 at the ready to put him (and us) out of his misery!
Sounds good! Was this late at night and did it involve a Guardsman?
Who are these people? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/16/close-coffee-shops-and-nurseries-during-lockdown-voters-say-in-new-poll and how does takeaway and nurseries affect them?
If coffee shops are closed, then so should everything else be. Forever.
Who are these people?
Guardian readers. Need I say more?
Always remember polls are a device for influencing public opinion not measuring it
Anyone polled should always be asked a primary question: ”Are you receiving money from the public purse?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kbTbg00AJU
They honestly believe 8 weeks NZ style lockdown and this all goes away. They are insane.
What do folks make of this?
Hancock ignores ‘stay at home’.
Hugo reckons another psyop.
Or just crass hypocrisy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9vVW33EkIE
Matt Hancock has repeatedly told us all that we have to behave as though we have the virus, which would mean self-isolating indefinitely. Clearly, he does not think his exhortation to everyone includes himself.
He’s such a jumped up nothing of a psycho, he’ll do what he wants. I don’t know if the video was taken today but it’s the sort of thing he’d do.
I wouldn’t put it past him to stand in parliament and complain about how many were at the park.
dePiffle did this on his bike last week. Provocation!
Yes taken this afternoon according to the Twitter post.
Seeing as he has a rugger ball, I expect young Hancock junior goes to a private school, which is no doubt operating normally.
No point in asking Johnson about whether his herd is in school. He would be the last to know, or perhaps he would plead the Fifth.
I worry they are trying to provoke a violent reaction.
Wrong time of the year for violets, though. But soon!
There’s a twitter post on screen under the Matt Hancock video, that reads:-
“People who don’t wear mask are so thick!
Please can everyone stay safe and wear a mask for my Gran and other peoples Gran’s!
Please follow the rules and don’t be selfish: wear a mask when shopping!
She’s 73 next year and I love her so much. She didn’t fight two world wars for this!”
Presumably the real reason she didn’t fight two world wars is something to do with her age.
Where do they get them from??
Perhaps it’s never occurred to this air-head that there are plenty of ”grans” who are dying from the results of lockdown – not a fast-vanishing and mild virus. No doubt if her ‘gran’ was denied treatment for something unrelated she’d be yelling about that too. Thick? Yes, that’s the word.
It’s depressing that there are young people who are this ill-informed. ”Two world wars” – oh dear.
I hope that was satire.
Bit difficult to tell!
Just like the family singalong from yesterday.
That would be hilarious if these weren’t the type of idiots we are up against. How can you hold a sensible conversation and present the facts to someone who can’t do basic maths. Plonkers, all of these virtue signalling snivelling twits. I was extremely polite there and I’m proud of myself.
It just says to me its not a pandemic, he’s in a park playing Rugby ffs.
And yet a cup of coffee can kill you.
Spot the testdemic: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
Anyone have a link to the goings on in Brum today ?
Found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DgmRBH1d2s
Thanks Banjones.
Usual plod tactics.
I wonder how long before it really kicks off and people push back ?
It’s just not happening soon enough.
When nearly everyone is being bought off it won’t.
The Herald. Scotland.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19015909.call-dumped-vaccine-data-clinics-told-not-book-booster-jags/
“DOCTORS leaders have demanded ‘full transparency’ from health boards amid concern over the number of vaccines discarded after clinics were told not to give boosters to NHS workers.
“The majority of second doses of the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine were due to be administered last week before a UK directive was changed to delay appointments for 12 weeks to ensure as many people as possible at highest risk were given a measure of protection against Covid.”
The blessed Hitchens (PBUH), has published his column a bit ahead of deadline,
“Those media who said that the excess deaths during 2020 were the greatest since 1940 were trying to hide the real facts with emotion.
Many of the statistics around Covid need very careful examination. The raw figures are (mostly) correct, but the way they are presented and interpreted is often fishy, and we will have to wait for an independent inquiry to make sense of many of them – if then.
But the comparison with 1940 is plain wrong because the population of this country has risen so much since then. If you allow for that growth, the excess deaths for last year were probably the highest since 2008. Bad, but not that bad.
Also please bear in mind that many of the excess deaths for the past year may well have been caused by delayed or missed medical treatment resulting from lockdowns – not Covid.
The Recovery campaign estimates that 6,000 people died because they failed to access accident and emergency treatment. And this will get worse.
Last week, official figures showed tens of thousands of cancer cases went undiagnosed as NHS waiting lists ballooned. And 4.46 million people in England are waiting for non-emergency surgery, the highest figure since records began in 2007. Lockdowns also kill.”
If age profile as well as population growth is taken into acount, 2020 is on the latest 5 year trend. It would be useful if all ‘sceptics’ used the same up to date stats that gave the accurate picture.
Hitchens always refers to the independent inquiry to come. I do love his optimism. It’s like when our constitutional lawyer, Rocco Galati, gets asked about bringing a crimes against humanity suit against our federal government. Our governor general would have to allow such a suit to go forward and he/she IS the government so it’ll never happen.
yes this “inquiry” or any enquiry is bollocks. It’ll take years to get out of this manufactured crisis – then they will ‘think’ about an enquiry for 5 years, then take 8 years to conduct it and come out with shite report which is meaningless. All the while in the oak panelled men’s clubs in Pall Mall they will say “don’t worry old boy we’ll make sure it goes the right way”. It’s a waste of time and stacked in favour of the establishment!
Surely these people can’t be 100% evil all the time? Don’t they ever have downtime….. a beer, vino, watch a movie – Uncle Buck, Crocodile Dundee and think ‘you know what, life is for living, let’s stop this evil shit and set the world back on it’s proper normal happy axis’?
They didn’t start out evil but power corrupts
It’s this old chestnut by CS Lewis isn’t it:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”― C. S. Lewis
So true , it’s actually a perfect description of our predicament !
No.
If you are a power-seeking individual you can have no time for that, because if you do, then you will lose out to the competiton who are taking no time off.
There are a very limited number of powerful positions in society. The brutal competition for these positions necessarily selects for those who are so driven that they think of nothing else.
Looking at the stats for India:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india
A near perfect and continuous decline in ‘cases’ for the last four months despite the last few weeks being uncomfortably cold in parts of northern India and despite distancing being virtually impossbíble in India.
Pre existing immunity and prophylactic treatments for respiratory disease in general
No Lockdown or restructions now, big use of HCQ and Ivermectin
They had a short, sharp firebreak of 1.3 billion people for a few weeks before deciding it was a stupid idea. That must be the reason.
Or maybe the firebreak caused the peak. Who knows…
You know if the health experts were given the same task of controlling the spread of flu they would be making exactly the same recommendations to eradicate it.
I’ve challenged quite a few zealots on this, but they continuously duck the issue.
It normally goes something like this:
Me: If you support these measures for covid, then why not for flu?
Zealot: Ah, but covid is far worse than flu.
Me: Let’s assume it is. Would you support these measures for flu?
— silence —
They can’t say no because that would mean “not caring” about flu deaths, and they can’t say yes because the state & MSM have not declared it to be virtuous yet, so it would seem a rather extreme position, even to a zealot.
But it’s academic now anyway, because flu’s been eradicated apparently!
That’s the thing with people who’s sole aim is to save lives. They’re never willing to set a limit on how much is enough. Hence they never seem to understand the concept of proportionality.
Looking at the stats for Cambodia – population 16 million
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cambodia
Amazing – after 12 months and despite massive Chinese tourism last winter, Cambodia has yet to register a single covid death and has had only 436 ‘cases’
Unlike many othe countries however, Cambodia has recorded normal levels of flu in the past year.
Well fuck a duck, from two metres away while wearing a hazmat suit.
Doing not a lot works!
Yeah, the ‘do nothing’ policy has been unfairly dismissed, including on this site.
If we did not know them we wouldn’t have noticed.It would have gone down as a bad flu yearZ
The title speaks for itself.
https://principia-scientific.com/covid-tests-gone-wild-has-world-in-pcr-prison/
F*ck these snowflakes, they can recover after many years of anguish. You can’t bring somebody back from the dead! – say all the ever so nice people who pretend to care more than everyone else.
Confessions of a psychologist: ‘I’m having to turn away grieving teenagers’Therapist Vanessa Moulton has seen an explosion in mental health problems during the pandemic – and often the parents really struggle, too
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/01/16/latest-news-256/#comments
Chile here, and Peru now with rising numbers of ‘cases’ again, despite hard lockdowns and curfews in a very similar pattern to much more relaxed Brazil.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile
Conclusion – masks, SD, lockdowns – make no difference.
Just listening to Rachel Shabi on Sky News paper review it is clear that the far left narrative (aligning to the SAGE ‘scientists’) is everyone vaccinated, but still keeping masks and social distancing indefinitely. The other worrying narrative emerging, and being embedded through constant repetition, is that while 90% of deaths will be eliminated by vaccinating the first four groups on the list, there is a high/growing number of ‘young’ being hospitalised (and who will all go on to develop Long Covid) hence we cannot ease restrictions. I think even Mark Harper and the ERG is buying this, if his article in the Telegraph is to go by:
People need hope and businesses need a plan. We need Boris to provide a clear roadmap to all our freedoms (telegraph.co.uk)
This needs to be countered forcefully – the stats do not back up a higher rate of younger people in ICU/hospital relative to last spring – correct?
Businesses need a plan? Look to Italy and Poland. Not Boris. Own your situation, they ain’t gonna help you
Totally agree. There has probably been a rise in cases (ie positive tests) because in Spring 2020 young people were genuinely locked down – not going to school, not going to supermarkets and of course not going to work like 11 million adults. They’ve been playing catch-up since early autumn. But hardly any are being hospitalised.
A great performance by Toby in that lockdown debate. I think he could have insinuated a couple more aeroplane analogies into the discussion, though.
They seriously can’t be debating these measures can they?? One is to make it illegal to speak to anyone on the street or in a supermarket.
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/01/16/illegal-to-talk-in-the-street/
Nothing would now surprise me.
Looking at the stats in Belarus – no lockdowns, few masks, normal social life throughout
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belarus
Curve of ‘cases’ very similar to elsewhere in Europe. Number of ‘cases very similar when corrected for population size – 9.10 million.
Conclusion – masks, distancing, lockdowns make no difference.
Given they had their own polticial situation during the last election, I wonder if the Belarusians feel any different now, given that they have survived the kind of societal breakdown we have here and I other EU countries
Just imagine the next Downing Str. presentation:
Johnson – “Robert Peston ITV”
Peston – “Prime Minister , I’ve been looking at the stats and comparing the UK to Belarus. It woukd appear that everything whch has been done in the UK in the last ten months has made absolutely no difference. What do you say to that Prime Minister”?
Some chance. Caught the Peston interview with Vallance this week and his most incisive question (bookended by repeatedly mentioning new strains from Brazil) was to ask what Vallance does to relax.
On the news beforehand Peston let slip that this will go on for another 2 years
They must realise they dodged a bullet. Their colour revolution was going to be the colour and aroma of excrement.
very few of them pay any attention to what is going on in the world outside their borders,- far less connect the two together.
Don’t forget loads of them were out protesting in large groups for days on end.
But then I do believe it’s only Xmas dinners and some bike gathering in South Dakota that are deemed superspreader events.
Lukashenko recommended to keep a healthy alcohol bloodlevel in an interview. Vodka has been known to have positive effects on one’s health. The key is the amount one takes in – like the daily glass of red wine…
The key to our shithole is the number of people the Fascists can take in.
Is anyone else a little suspicious about all of these “sightings” lately?
Although not blessed with what I would call intelligence, I don’t actually believe that Boris and co are actually stupid. So on the same day as the threats and extortions to stay at home, Boris is seen out on his bike. Then today, after applauding the police for confronting people holding coffee cups or sitting on a bench and begging us all to only leave home if absolutely necessary, Hancock chooses to go to a busy London park with his son for a game of rugby, instead of his own back garden.
Now either they are absolutely contemptuous of their own rules, which by the way surely also means they do believe in them from a safety angle either (taking his own son to a busy park instead of locked up safe and warm back home) or this is staged.
A pessimist would say they are trying to divide and antagonise and cause trouble.
I just don’t buy that. Personally, I think they are trying to distance themselves, albeit clumsily, from Sage and co. I feel that Boris made a similar ploy last year, when the details about Ferguson and his duplicity were leaked. These things don’t happen by accident. The press prints what it is told to print these days or at the very least what it believes to be important. Just look today. Not one major news story about the Italian restaurants protest. Surely it should make the news, even to denounce it as “selfish”. No. It is deemed improper to confuse the single narrative, so we are not given it.
Any thoughts?
Probably just an attempt to show that they are just the same as the rest of us.
As I understand it they weren’t breaking the ‘rules’.
Strengthens the ‘we’re all in together’ narrative.
They’ve done so much to try to provoke us into a violent riot response because then they know who we are and can make arrests legitimately. What’s strange in Europe is how predictable each national response has been: Switzerland will have a referendum to decide if the lockdown should continue/ Italy throws pasta at the problem and bars the police from the bars / and we stay in because basically it’s cold and we can’t be arsed ..
I didn’t hear about the Italian restaurants protest but I’m not surprised. We are witnessing the quashing of dissent and the quashing of any signs of dissent. These guys are in hyperdrive.
It has a son? Someone bred with it!!!!!!
Police issue FPN notice to Wankok…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/16/18s-could-have-vaccine-end-june/ and when we have spent all the billions and we still have Shitty and unbalanced telling us to lockdown for Christmas and no one is safe, treat everyone like they have it, what the fuck do we do then. Put the bastards against the wall that’s what. Spaffer Johnson who seems to have more waffle and less substance every single day.
When we have a someone seriously ill, all they will say is ‘it could have been worse ‘ like their fucking head would have fell off if they never had the vaccine.
Sweden:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden
Latest 7 day moving average for deaths = 23 = 2.2 per million
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany
Germany – 876 = 10.5 per million
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk
UK – 1066 = 16.4 per million
The lockdown argument is definitively over.
…and you can burn the masks too.
As was said in a Clockwork Orange – “ Real Horrowshow”.
These numbers alone show the complete hopelessness of the UK approach.
Sub w for r.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belarus
Belarus 7-day moving average for deaths:
10 = 1.1 per million
This is a bit desperate.
For fucks sake go to bed, you arse.
Reassuring from Uk’s MHRA(from a BMJ article reporting Norwegian deaths)
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage
“Asked if any deaths had occurred in UK patients after vaccination, the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said that details of all suspected reactions reported in association with approved covid-19 vaccines would be published along with its assessment of the data on a regular basis in the future. Based on the available published reports from the clinical trials, the MHRA said it did not currently anticipate any specific safety concerns.”
You forgot to turn on the function when you mentioned “reassuring” . The people who run our government and health agencies in the UK would rather cut off one hand with a rusty penknife before they would ever admit even one person died as a result of receiving a vaccine, let alone this one! Such us the corrupt domination of public health by Big Pharma in the UK.
Pick and choose.US 55 deaths 5 milllion doses Norway 26 deaths 26000 doses UK 0? 3 million doses??
Which crystal ball did the MHRA gaze into?
Presumably not Pantsdown’s, which would predict 500,000 deaths from the vaccine unless people were locked down to ensure they didn’t get it.
I’ve a bone to pick with Toby Young and Claire Fox, both of whom, it seems, like to lionise the lockdown zealot Christopher Snowdon.
I’m not sure that Snowdon was ever anything other than a bad faith actor. A devil in disguise.
This is what Toby today has to say of Snowdon on twitter:
“This is one of the best critiques of lockdown scepticism I’ve read. Doesn’t deal with the extensive research evidence that lockdowns are largely ineffective, but poses some tough questions for people on my side of the aisle.”
For some reason an image of Neville Chamberlain waving a piece of paper keeps springing to mind.
What is this Toby? “Peace in our time”? Have you learned nothing??
Seriously – and with all due respect – fuck off, man!
Claire Fox is almost as bad, but at least she has always been something of a fence sitter on this issue.
Snowdon is a creep, a bad faith actor. I don’t care what he has to say. NOTHING justifies lockdown. NOTHING.
But if we’re looking for lockdown critique we could start with a reported 4.5 million waiting list for operations:
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-14/record-45-million-on-hospital-waiting-lists-as-impact-of-covid-hits-home
How does smart arse respond to that?
Snowdon is a snake. He isn’t going to repay you the compliment, Toby!
Here is his recent arrogant answer to someone noticing the very clear (and very fishy) fall in flu cases in 2020. (It’s either being misdiagnosed as covid or is being out competed by covid.)
But this is how Snowdon responds to people questioning this:
“People are still dying of flu, idiot. Check the ONS data not a WHO graph you don’t understand.”
Toby, don’t appease these creeps! You’ll get nothing in return from any of them!
Give it a rest. Snowdon is mostly right on this. I’ve been saying for months that the LS argument has not focused on the weakness of the pro-lockdown case, i.e. it’s pretty ineffective.
Unfortunately Toby Young has been seduced by Mike Yeadon’s False Positive twaddle and the irrelevant anti-vaxxer nonsense.
An anti-vaxxer used to be someone who was against all vaccinations on principle.
Now an anti-vaxxer is someone who asks any critical questions about any vaccine at any time.
I have had plenty of vaccinations.
The key is that not all vax are the same.
Other vax have been tested and proven over years of trials.
This one has not.
Good luck participating in the biggest ever vaccine trial then.An unlicensed and untested potion brought to you by the most authoritarian government in our history.What could go wrong?
Toby is not appeasing anyone. He is keeping the heat out of the discussion so that more light can get in, and so that his side, which is the more rational, can not only win but can be seen to win.
https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1349774271095062528?s=20
Interesting twitter thread from Trevor Bedford regarding the variants from UK, South Africa and Brazil.
Very, very technical but interesting nonetheless
As the article in the Telegraph put it:
“Each has sprung up independently in a different part of the world, but all share a remarkably similar constellation of genetic changes which confer a common advantage”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/attack-mutants-britain-plans-conquer-new-covid-variants/
There has to be a reason for all the bioweapons laboratories on the planet. The only fact that explains the synchronous outbreak of the thing in a large number of countries all over the world. Unless Putin used a hypersonic glider to inocculate the world at mach 10.
As was pointed out this morning South Africa and Brazil were the two countries where Astra Zeneca carried out trials.
Squeeze the balloon in one place, it pushes out somewhere else.
“Each has sprung up independently in a different part of the world, but all share a remarkably similar constellation of genetic changes which confer a common advantage”
Remarkably similar?
Perish the thought.
I wouldn’t be surprised if hospitals are not only infecting the host but then also keeping them alive long enough for the host to
provide sufficient selective pressure to create these mutations.
Hence hospitals are generators and filters for these new variants.
A bit like antibiotic resistant microbes, medical stupidity forcing resistant strains to appear through over and inappropriate use.
Similarly, lockdowns are selecting for mutations that are better at transmitting.
Unless these new variants are more lethal then all we are getting is a better understanding of the underlying mechanisms that allow a particular coronavirus to change. Good for science.
But making a fuss about it all suits another political and/or economic agenda so keep the noise going and dazzle everyone with the science.
‘lockdowns are selecting for mutations that are better at transmitting.’
But of course. Of course. I am stunned. It ought to be so bloody obvious…
Oh, ffs.
It’s just the flu, bro.
I have a radical new hypothesis:
If you don’t lock down you can spread the health burden over a longer period of time, thus the health care system should not be under undue pressure.
By locking down you are simply storing up the burden to be released in a shorter period of time and you are creating extra burden from all the treatments that weren’t done.
Imagine if that’s how life actually works…
Too logical. Nobody except Nobody2021 will go for it.
More to the point, by locking down healthy people the government is reducing the immunity level amongst those people. Therefore when (/if) the lockdown ends there will be a lower level of herd immunity in the community, making it a more dangerous environment for the susceptible.
Lockdowns not only increase other types of deaths (cancer, heart disease, suicide etc) they also, in the longer term, increase the number of Covid deaths.
I have a colleague who has been shielding since March.
I always assumed him to be a healthy individual so perhaps he has vulnerable family members.
When he finally emerges his immune system will, if course, be compromised and will quite likely keel over from whatever bug comes his way first.
He’ll probably get an astonishingly bad cold…but assume it’s covid.
Pandemic Logic 12:
Only countries or US states with low death counts fudge their data.
Those with the highest numbers are the most honest.
Youtube advert.
CIF Alcohol Plus
‘Kills 99.9% viruses’ (sic).
Will it protect us from the Covid? (sarc).
It should read “Kills 99.9 of life on earth (eventually)” but hey yes let’s keep washing our hands like we’ve all got extreme OCD…
The latter.
Doesn’t it say ‘99% if household germs’? No mention of wild germs that don’t belong to your household, or bubble, or whatever.
Why is the Guardian publishing this nonsense about the most recent Observer Opinion Poll that say that ‘voters’ believe all takeaway coffee shops and child nurseries should be shut. Yes, obviously the rise in infections is due to coffee shops and nurseries. Who are these numpties who keep arguing for tighter restrictions? Just lock us all in our houses then and we’ll have food delivered and then the internet will crash and we’ll be jobless, friendless, isolated but oh lordy, lordy we’ll be alive. The insanity of it all is enormous.
Guardian reading luvvies working from home with jobs they think are safe forever.
Their every need catered for by Amazon and Deliveroo.
Because it’s The Guardian. Best avoided.
“Let me introduce you to Donald A. Henderson (1928-2016). He was the twentieth-century’s most acclaimed disease eradicator. In particular, he is credited with ridding the world of smallpox.”
…..
“Here is the riveting conclusion (Henderson’s words):
”
https://www.aier.org/article/how-a-free-society-deals-with-pandemics-according-to-legendary-epidemiologist-and-smallpox-eradicator-donald-henderson/
Amen, brother.
Good reference. With your permission I’ll add Henderson’s conclusion to the next letter I send to my MP.
please do – no need to ask
That’s a brilliant quotation, rockoman. Well done for highlighting it.
It summarises beautifully what many of us feel to be the truth – and the total contradiction in what is actually happening.
Socially Distanced worship in the Cathedral ?
No, Salisbury Cathedral being used as a vaccination centre.
My city Cathedral closed its doors to worshippers this weekend; I am not personally a believer but I would have thought Christians would find worship with a similar density of people perfectly acceptable.
All hail Big Pharma, thou art the way, the truth and the source of all grants.
The Covid god took over the Anglican Church last March. This is merely a new ritual in the Book of Covid Prayer.
Unholy communion
Anyone remember the twitter video called Recognising the early signs of totaliarism? Three interviews, a Holocost surviver, a Bosnian and a Hutu?
No, but examining the language being used here in the US we’re tracking to civil war and genocide.
Leftlockdownsceptics.com have finally written a follow up piece.
One might have hoped for searing prose decrying the futility of lockdown and its dire consequences for the workers.
Instead of which they reproduce the arguments I was overhearing in the Student Union bar in the 1980s.
The word salad of the “dialectic of discussion”. I bet they all turn up to meetings in Lenin hats.
Word salad farmers!
Do stop the diversionary whining about the magical totem of ‘the left’. There’s no such coherent body. (Who’s even heard of Marxist World?)
And at the moment, the primary assault is coming from the neoliberal right of the political spectrum. All the rest are camp-followers.
I wasn’t whining about ‘the left’, rather hoping for a more useful contribution from those who call themselves leftlockdownsceptics instead of yet more navel gazing as has always been their way.
Here in the dreary depressing New Normal Sturgeonia, we are now directed to make an appointment for, amongst other potentially lethal activities: key cutting, dry cleaning, shoe repair and laundry.
The collection of take away coffee and food in store is now forbidden; one must queue outside- it’s raining hard here, and very windy- and, ideally, one should not go out at all, as this could harm others.
So, all life gradually succumbs to Her Holiness’s diktats: more shops close down, access to exercise, fresh air, sunshine and socialising is heavily restricted and anomie is society’s default setting.
We are turning into troglodytes, stripped of all that which confers meaning purpose and hope, as apathy and resignation take hold.
Going to the shops is an unwelcome necessity, even with lanyard in place. Anxiety and defensiveness are the norm, even though my badge is still accepted.
If only we had the resolve of the Poles, Italians and Swiss, who are defiantly opening their businesses and challenging the Covid Mind Benders.
The Appliance of Science has gone too far ; time for the Alliance of Defiance.
Should we in the grip of the Gang of Five be grateful that we are still permitted to visit Opticians and Dentists ?
I guess we must be thankful for small mercies! Next appt with dentist arranged for 5th of Feb; I live in hope!
Imagine writing your first paragraph a year ago.
Only by stepping back can you realise we are in the midst of a coup.
I call it control creep, but a coup is the likely next step ,especially as the Holyrood opposition up here is weak and too willing to appease the Sturgeonauts.
Alliance4Unity and Reform are making noises but if elections are cancelled in May, chances of a serious challenge will be dashed.
One year is all it has taken to reduce us to a Covid termitarium .
Gritting my teeth this morning and watching the irritating Nicky Campbell chairing a forum on BBC 1, having been alerted to it by John Lee.
I don’t know how long I can stand it, although, despite Campbell, there are some really good participants (including John Sumption and John Lee).
Clearly the fearful Covidians wallow around in a sentimental feel-goodery that can never be the basis of public health policy. Especially when you haven’t got any grasp of the actual size of the problem and the desperate consequences of current policy.
The star idiot is Professor Semple from Liverpool – who is a breathing illustration that you can be a epidemiology academic at the highest level, and still operate at an abysmal level of rationality and knowledge.
As a P.S. – It is interesting that there is no mention of one of the elephants in the room – the key fact that this is in no way an ‘unprecedented’ event, being well within the range of the impact of previous viral events.
When you average the data for daily tests & and positive results a lot of the growth looks to be driven by increased testing. Wasn’t it ever thus?