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Would Rachel Reeves’s Communist Party Heroine Be Proud of Her £40bn Tax-Hiking Budget?

by Will Jones
30 October 2024 2:34 PM

Labour Chancellor Rachel Reeves, who, it emerged this week, replaced a picture of Nigel Lawson in her office with one of Communist Party founder Ellen Wilkinson, has delivered her £40bn tax-hiking budget. Is it one that her heroine would be proud of? We list some of the winners and losers.

Outgoing Conservative leader and former PM Rishi Sunak said the Budget contained “broken promise after broken promise”.

Today his actions speak for themselves with a Budget that contains broken promise after broken promise and reveals the simple truth that the Prime Minister and the Chancellor have not been straight with the British people.

Time and again we Conservatives warned Labour would tax, borrow and spend far beyond what they were telling the country and time and again they denied they had such plans. 

But today the truth has come out, proof that they planned to do this all along because today’s Budget sees the fiscal rules fiddled, borrowing increased by billions of pounds, inflation-busting handouts for the trade unions, Britain’s poorest pensioners squeezed, welfare spending out of control and a spree of tax rises they promised the working people of this country they would not do. …

This is the truth: They have fiddled the figures, they have raised tax to record levels. 

They have broken their promises and it is the working people of this country that are going to pay the price.

The Chancellor and Prime Minister have tried to say that they had no choice but be in no doubt, their misleading claims about the state of the economy are nothing but a cynical political device. …

When we left office the United Kingdom was the fastest growing advanced economy in the world.

These are her choices so stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for them.

The Office for Budget Responsibility said the Budget “delivers a large, sustained increase in spending, taxation and borrowing”.

As a result of public spending increasing by almost £70bn a year over the next five years, “the size of the state is forecast to settle at 44% of GDP (gross domestic product) by the end of the decade, almost five percentage points higher than before the pandemic”.

Half of the increase comes from tax hikes of around £36 billion a year, pushing the tax take to a “historic high of 38% of GDP by 2029-30”.

The other half comes from £32 billion a year of increased borrowing, “one of the largest fiscal loosenings of any fiscal event in recent decades”.

Against a largely unchanged economic and fiscal backdrop, today’s Budget delivers a large, sustained increase in spending, tax, and borrowing; a temporary boost to the economy; and a new set of fiscal rules.

Richard Hughes explains five things you need to know about our forecast pic.twitter.com/mjsCWPNuvj

— Office for Budget Responsibility (@OBR_UK) October 30, 2024

Tory MP and leadership candidate Robert Jenrick wrote on X: “Labour complete the biggest heist in modern political history. They won power promising not to raise taxes. They lied.”

Labour complete the biggest heist in modern political history.

They won power promising not to raise taxes.

They lied. pic.twitter.com/p8eYhRW8nF

— Robert Jenrick (@RobertJenrick) October 30, 2024

Winners

Minimum wage workers: 6.7% increase to the national minimum wage up to £12.21 an hour from April 2025, an extra £1,400 a year for a full-time worker. The wage for 18 to 20 year-olds to rise by £1.40 per hour.

State pensioners: State pension to rise by 4% in April due to triple lock.

Drivers: The freeze on fuel duty has been extended for two years.

Drinkers: Draught beer duty cut by 1.7 points.

Green Blob: Funding announced for 11 new unicorns green hydrogen projects across England.

David Goldstone: The new head of the Office for Value for Money sits on the board of HS2 as a Non-Executive Director, a project whose second leg was cancelled last year by Rishi Sunak as a result of the delays and overspend.

State schools: £6.7 billion of capital investment for the Department for Education next year.

NHS: £25 billion for the NHS, comprising £22.6 billion for the day-to-day health budget and £3.1 billion for capital investment. 

Ministry of Defence: Budget increase of £2.9 billion next year.

Losers

Employers: Employers’ National Insurance raised by 1.2 points from 13.8% to 15% and the threshold lowered from £9,100 to £5,000, which may be reflected in reduced pay for employees. This is expected to raise £25 billion for the Treasury.

Families: Unspent pensions to be within the scope of inheritance tax from April 2027. Thresholds for estates will remain frozen until 2030 (meaning more will be drawn into paying the tax). Farmers with assets over £1 million to be subject to a 20% inheritance tax, threatening the sale of many farms on the death of the owner.

Investors: Capital gains tax raised: lower rate up from 10% to 18%, higher rate from 20% to 24%. The rate paid on second homes has not risen.

Landlords: Stamp duty surcharge for second properties up by two points, to 5%, to come into effect tonight.

Workers: Income tax thresholds to remain frozen until 2028. The Chancellor has committed to unfreezing them from 2028.

Private schools: Fee-paying schools to lose VAT exemption from January and business rate relief from April.

Oil and gas companies: Windfall tax on oil and gas companies (Energy Profits Levy) to increase to 38% (expiring in March 2030) and 29% investment allowance removed. 

Smokers and vapers: Tax on hand-rolling tobacco to increase by 10 points while a flat rate levy will be imposed on all vaping liquids from October 2026. (Note disposable vapes will be banned from June next year.)

Non-doms: Non-dom tax status to be scrapped from April next year.

Social housing tenants: Right to Buy discounts to be reduced.

Tags: BudgetCommunist Party of Great BritainKeir StarmerLabourRachel Reeves

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A Y M
A Y M
2 years ago

I love these comedic pieces by IRons.

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Big X
Big X
2 years ago

I do agree on how frustrating it is that so many Covid sceptics are unable to appreciate nuances in the Ukraine war. Wars have never been black and white before, and it’s naïve to think that for some reason this one is a historical exception.

Of course the media is aggressively pedalling a narrative, as they did with WMD in Iraq, and also with support for the Mujahedeen during the Soviet-Afghan war (remember the unbelievably accurate Rambo III).

Russia nor the West is the ‘good guy’ here. Ukraine is the geopolitical destination where they have chosen to do battle. NATO was expanding, Russia was countering by creating a ‘sphere of influence’ (Yanukovych was Putin’s man), and then the CIA decided to engineer the Euromaidan coup.

As if this wasn’t complicated enough, the Ukraine already has diverse demographics with pro-Russian and pro-European elements.

Last edited 2 years ago by Big X
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FerdIII
FerdIII
2 years ago
Reply to  Big X

bio labs
one party, no free speech Uke state
Jewlensky and the kleptocracy (send money now or…)
money laundering to the criminal US political elite
endless wars for the criminal US military industry
NWO
Nazi Azov brigade….. but according to LRonHubbard the Uketopia is a democracy and the last hope. I think the Russians should copy all of this in say Mexico.

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evilhippo
evilhippo
2 years ago
Reply to  Big X

“and then the CIA decided to engineer the Euromaidan coup.”

Oh FFS. Tell me you know nothing about Ukraine in one easy phrase.

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Mogwai
Mogwai
2 years ago

Yeah but more importantly, is this Zalensky or has he been ‘deep-faked’? Please tell me it’s the latter because he looks way too comfortable in those stilettos! 😮 Even BoJo couldn’t pull off getting elected if he had this camptastic skeleton lurking in his closet, and he’s a professional buffoon.

https://rumble.com/v1gyrgl-zalensky-bdsm-video.html

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Covid-1984
Covid-1984
2 years ago
Reply to  Mogwai

Hard hitting post laced with truths. Well done 👏

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago

“Kiev” isn’t the Russian form: they don’t use the same alphabet as us.

It’s the name of the city in English. Just as Florence is the English name for Firenze, and Londres is the French name for London.

I’m 62 and had never seen the city called Kyiv before last February.

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WyrdWoman
WyrdWoman
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Exactly. The Russian Cyrillic form of Kiev is Киев.

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DomH75
DomH75
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Agreed. I’ve used ‘Ukraine’ and ‘The Ukraine’ interchangeably for my entire life. ‘Kyiv’ is just a load of nonsense. Since when do you randomly change the spelling of cities in foreign countries because someone invaded it? Do I start calling Paris ‘Paree’ if someone from Berlin starts firing off a capgun in the middle of the street?

Do we start calling Helsinki ‘Helsingfors’ if a Russian decides to take a dump in one of their bathrooms?

It’s Kiev and it’s always been Kiev, the same as there was Kievan Rus centuries ago (which Putin wants to re-establish.) When the BBC was taking about ‘Harrr-heave’ (with lots of phlegm, I had to look it up. Turns out it’s Kharkov, which I’d always known of.

The Ukraine is the first real social media war with all the imbecilic virtue signalling associated with that particular cultural cancer.

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RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

If we’re not supposed to call it “the Ukraine” why does the MSM call it “the Donbas?”

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago

In my experience, Ukrainians are happy to hear “the Ukraine”, because historically it referred to a region defined by purely natural characteristics (as opposed to a purely political entity defined by a disconnected elite). Ukrainians would rather ally themselves to a region to which they feel bound naturally.

I am proud to say I am born and bred in the Yorkshire Dales; in no way do I see the definite article as demeaning to the region or the people therein.

Load of fuss about nothing. Our Rons has fallen for it.

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DomH75
DomH75
2 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

Same. I’m from the South West (of England). We’ve always called it ‘The South West.’ Sure it’s part of the Kingdom of England, which is part of the modern political entity called ‘The UK’, but my real loyalty is to the region.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago

Why is the West supporting Ukraine?

It’s definitely not because the West opposes armed aggression as a matter of principle, supports democracy and freedom or gives a toss about the horribly white Ukrainian people.

Last edited 2 years ago by Nearhorburian
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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago

Waitrose still sell Chicken Kievs

And I’ve never seen Mumbai Mix.

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Even M&S are calling the bloody things Kyivs.
I buy Birds Eye because they still call them Kiev. I feel pathetic doing it but can’t bring myself to buy the other ones. I guess I’m not more pathetic than all the virtue signalling.

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LaptopMaestro
LaptopMaestro
2 years ago
Reply to  disgruntled246

They aren’t diffcult to make yourself …. then you can pick any name!

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
2 years ago
Reply to  LaptopMaestro

They’re a handy freezer standby for those ‘can’t be arsed’ days!

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Epi
Epi
2 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Or Mumbai Duck, Sapphire, Cat or aloo.

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godknowsimgood
godknowsimgood
2 years ago

How is this long war going to end? With compromise? Or when one side totally destroys the other side?

If it’s going to end with compromise, why wait, why not compromise now, and save a lot of lives and destruction?

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Jane G
Jane G
2 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

Yes please.

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DomH75
DomH75
2 years ago
Reply to  godknowsimgood

When the Ukrainian people realise that the West doesn’t care two figs about them and only wants to use their country as a proxy battlefield outside of Western territory to try to take down Russia, they’ll be within their rights to turn on the West. It’s so sad: I’d long hoped to visit Russia and the Ukraine. The hatreds that have been created here will take at least a century to die down

And where is our supranational wannabe-world dictatorship government, the UN, in all of this? They were fast enough to pile into the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s. The two sides should have been dragged to the negotiating table a year ago! Someone or someones are getting rich and powerful from all this…

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bfbf334
bfbf334
2 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

100% correct

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
2 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

like Eisenhower warned the military industrial complex. me too want to visit russia the ukraine and kiev , i refuse to call it the new way.

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago

Both sides are Soviets. The USSR was not a healthy society.

This war is, essentially, between Gorbachev/Yeltsin Soviets and Brezhnev Soviets.

And if you look at a map, Putin wants to incorporate Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova and the Baltic States into a ‘Union State’ with an iron curtain stretching from Kaliningrad in the west to Izmail in the east.

We know this because he makes no secret of his intentions, supported by leaked Russian government documents.

He is backed, economically, by China and, to some extent, by India, Turkey.

So, essentially, any peace short of the full restoration of Ukrainian territorial integrity promised by this country and the U.S.A. in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 is a win for Putin and China.

And a win for Putin is the de-europeanisation of occupied Ukrainian territory and de-europeanisation is described by Putin’s mouthpiece, RIA Novosti, as de-nazification.

So where, logically, does such a policy end……maybe a town nearer to you, vicar?

Last edited 2 years ago by Monro
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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Tomorrow Moldova, a week next Thursday Russian marines arriving on Skegness beach to discover they’ve been beaten to it.

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bfbf334
bfbf334
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

You total tit

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  bfbf334

You have embarrassed yourself.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Of course” leaked” Russian documents can’t possibly be misinformation, can they?

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

They certainly can be. And they can also be genuine. That is why individuals who have seen FSB documents before are used to assess their authenticity.

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LaptopMaestro
LaptopMaestro
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

In much the same way that 51 “experts” assessed the Hunter Biden laptop?

The answer will be based on political expedience, not reality

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  LaptopMaestro

I’m sure you are right.

These documents were, no doubt, fakes as well:

‘……classified intelligence from the Pentagon revealed details of Ukraine’s plans for a counteroffensive against Russia, as well as secret assessments of U.S. allies.
The latest leak includes material from the U.S. National Security Agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff Directorate for Intelligence.
The documents reveal the FSB’s behind-closed-doors accusations that officials in Russia’s Defense Ministry have been underreporting Russian troop casualties in Moscow’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

The FSB has also been critical of the Defense Ministry’s death toll not including casualties suffered by the Russian National Guard, the Wagner Group, or fighters under the command of Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the leak revealed.
In September, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that 5,937 Russian soldiers had been killed in Ukraine since the war began. No subsequent death toll from the Russian side has been made public since then. 
The FSB “calculated the actual number of Russians wounded and killed in action was closer to 110,000,” one document cited by The New York Times reads.
Official U.S. estimates of Russian casualties over the past year total around 200,000. However, documents made public in the earlier leak put this figure somewhere between 189,500 and 223,000, including as many as 43,000 dead.
While The New York Times was unable to independently verify the documents, U.S. officials consulted on the matter did not dispute the information revealed. 
The security breach, which has embarrassed Washington and shaken its allies, has given observers a rare insight into how the Pentagon’s intelligence gathering works in Russia. Most significantly, it appears to show that U.S. intelligence has penetrated nearly every branch of the Russian military including the General Staff, the Defense Ministry, Russia’s GRU military intelligence agency, and the notorious mercenary group Wagner.’

The Moscow Times 13 Apr 23

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ebygum
ebygum
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

..not forgetting their third largest customer…the EU…. Who have spent around €40 billion on Russian energy……

Nothing like that was promised in the Budapest Memorandum, no matter how many times you try to pretend it was…or try to twist it to your purpose…
”assurances, unlike guarantees, do not impose a legal obligation of military assistance on its parties. It gives signatories justification if they take action, but it does not force anyone to act in Ukraine…”

The United States refuses to sign or to ratify foundational international laws and treaties that the vast majority of countries in the world have signed, such as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC), ( even though the ‘warrant’ for Putin was issued at their behest… CEDAW (the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women), ICESCR (the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights), CRC (the Convention on the Rights of the Child), ICRMW (the International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families), UNCLOS (the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea), PAROS (the Prevention of an Arms Race in Outer Space), the Ottawa Treaty (the Anti-Personnel Landmines Convention), and many more….

There are also a slew of international treaties the United States has signed, but simply violates anyway: examples include the Biological Weapons Convention, UN treaties prohibiting torture, rendition and kidnapping and of course, wars of aggression which are considered ”the supreme international crime”—a crime that the United States engages in routinely at least once a decade, not to mention routine drone attacks, which are in violation of international law. Most recently, the AUKUS Agreement signed between the United States and Australia violates the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) by exploiting a blind spot of the (IAEA).

I could go on, but of course there is no equanimity here..only one is doing something wrong and one is always innocent and right..apparently …..

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Both sides are Soviets. One is backed by China. One is backed by the U.S.A.

Which side are you on?

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GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
2 years ago

For the past 45 years I have been well read on modern world events and modern history and obtain my information from a variety of “trusted” sources.

I compare this information to the lies, propaganda and omissions from Western governments and their “presstitutes” in the main stream media to formulate a well informed opinion.

I find some of the current Russian media and independent Western alternative media are more trustworthy than the Western main stream media.

Consequently, having been well informed on the situation in Ukraine, I find Russia were provoked by the US and Nato and I support their actions against Ukraine which are more legal and more justified than the US/Nato similar actions against Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc. etc. etc.

How will the war end?

Only 200,000 members of the Russian army are currently fighting, and about 400,000 to 600,000 are waiting in reserve for the Ukraine attack. While they wait they are in constant training; so waiting works to Russia’s advantage.
 
Once the famous “counter-offensive” peters out, Ukraine will be hit with massive force. There will be no negotiated settlement. Only unconditional surrender.

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richardw53
richardw53
2 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Dead right. The tragedy is the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands in support of this proxy war.

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Another long update last night from a Russian volunteer on the battle situation in and around Bakhmut.

He says the Ukrainians have massive superiority in air recon and “unlimited shell supply”, softening targets before any infantry advances.

He confirms officer kills in the 4th Brigade of the DPR yesterday.

The defensive lines built by Russia are too weak and shallow, some of the trenches only knee deep.

The defensive lines are too wide to be covered by fire across their frontage.

So believe what you will because you will see……

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

What will we see, Monro? Genuine question, I think I agree with your assertion that Russia is not at all incapable and is quite far from being exhausted.

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Aurelius knew

There are only two options. It is not complicated.

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bfbf334
bfbf334
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Deluded ranker

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  bfbf334

You have embarrassed yourself again.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Is this volunteer fighting in the front line? If so, I call bulls**t on his claims. It is impossible for an individual soldier to draw any conclusion about “the situation on the battlefield”, especially in a complex, rapidly changing urban situation like Artemovsk.

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

He’s been right before.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Go on, when and with what?

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

‘Of course, the infantry have nothing but the R-159 to communicate with tanks. Tankmen and artillerymen along the whole frontline are frantically looking for at least some portable radios operating in the 30-50 MHz range. Things that the KTsPN [Novorissiya volunteer organisation] brought before 2022 immediately became a drop in the ocean of “things urgently needed yesterday”. And of course, it’s not even about the numbers of the R-159s, but about the amounts of decent batteries for them, and the number of charging devices. Old ones, god knows when made. Replaced by devices such as Imax B6, but these Imax B6 still need to be bought and brought and people taught how to use them.
 
However, signalmen from the tank battalion called next, and now I realise that no one will survive until the problem with radios actually emerges, since headsets have run out too. And no, dear reader, a headset is not a cloth cap with foam inserts protecting the head of a tankman. It’s a cloth cap with foam inserts in which a tank intercom device is installed, which connects to the intercom via the appropriate connector. And through this intercom the tankman speaks to other crewmen, and if necessary gets into radio contact with other vehicles, infantry or command. Head phones, throat phones, etc. This all has run out. The working “stuffing” of the headsets has run out. Everything possible has already been taken off the winter headsets and put into the summer ones. And that ran out too. And there are no supplies.
 
You already know everything about the intercom tangents, I covered the topic many times.
So, in principle, there are no doubts about the fate of the remnants of the “tank relics”. Without communications, these miserable remnants will be finished off.’

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

‘Why is everything so slow and difficult?
 
A lot of people are wondering why is the war in the Donbass being fought so slowly? Why the offensive in the Donbass has begun, but after taking Pisky it’s not really moving forward?  Why did they say ten times as if the enemy was running from Siversk and abandoning it, but Siversk is still not taken? Why so slow?
 
Fine, I’ll act as an explanatory brigade, although I wrote about this already. Even Strelkov talks about this day after day mentioning the personalities and events of the First World War that are widely known in close circles.
 
It’s actually pretty simple. Due to presence and constant replenishment of military air defence in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including MANPADS, there is no complete superiority of our aviation in the air, and it’s unlikely to happen soon. Accordingly, it is not possible to hang in the air over the front line of the enemy and destroy all of their vehicles and all artillery positions. Accordingly, we come to the conclusion that both a successful offensive with a breakthrough of the enemy’s defence, and a successful defence with the ability to stop such breakthroughs come from the presence of artillery, the ammunition needed for it, its controllability, mobility, accuracy, range, and more, more, and more. If you do not conduct encircling operations, then you are not destroying the enemy’s most valuable resource – their experienced military managers, their experienced military signalmen and their experienced artillerymen. If a cauldron is closed then all these people either go for a breakthrough and, with your correct approach to suppressing it, for the most part die or surrender. If you create a threat of an encirclement, but do not close it, these people dump all their metal and leave the encirclement on cars, taking with them the most important thing – their experience.
 
– What do I need the sights for, son?! – the Colonel interrupted bitterly. – What do I need the sights for, my dear fellow … There will be guns, but not people…
 
It doesn’t take much time to prepare new infantry, “any infantry”, just to drive them into the trenches instead of those knocked out – two weeks of “training” and a person will be able to play “pow-pow”. He will not resist a competent assault, but how many “competent assaulters” do we have now?
 
But the new skilful, trained and experienced artillery officers and signalmen do not lie on the road and do not grow on trees in the forest. It takes a lot of time. If you knock them out, degradation of  enemy’s speed and quality of control and fire damage will begin. But how to knock them out? Only with encirclement operations, with cauldrons with dense walls, from where the only way out is to the cemetery or to the prisoner of war camp. Do we have such operations? Apart from the capture of “Azov” in Mariupol, we have no such operations. This means that there will be an exchange of infantry in positional battles, and the coefficient of the exchange depends on the quality of control and fire damage on our part.’

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Totally incomprehensible.

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

‘….there are no doubts about the fate of the remnants of the “tank relics”. Without communications, these miserable remnants will be finished off.’

Correct.

‘…there will be an exchange of infantry in positional battles….’

Correct

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

It will end when USA does another Afghanistan.

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RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago
Reply to  For a fist full of roubles

Or Vietnam.

Bit of a track record …..

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richardw53
richardw53
2 years ago

Is Ian Rons there in order to prove that The Daily Sceptic is pro free speech, or do the guys actually take his ad hominem arguments seriously? He never deals in terms of the fundamental issues.

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
2 years ago

The one thing I am sure of is that I don’t believe any of them.
Not a fan of Putin.
But Zelensky seems dodgier than a nine bob note (did he get to speak at Eurovision by the way?).
I feel for ordinary Russians and ordinary Ukrainians.
The article above has a whiff of protesting too much.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
2 years ago

I have a sneaking suspicion that this war, like WW1 and WW2, is essentially about killing and mutilating lots of white Christian men.

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bfbf334
bfbf334
2 years ago

Yet more inane drivel Ian Rons

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Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
2 years ago

I’m not pro Putin. I am against foreign wars of aggression started by America masquerading as NATO and paid for by me and the rest of the British taxpayers. However if a national leader was to say publicly “mothers are women and fathers are men” I might feel well disposed towards them, as opposed to the snivelling charlatans that sit in the House of Commons.

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Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
2 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

I’m so pleased the downvoter got around to sneaking in his opinion. He doesn’t seem to be getting much traction.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago

There’s scarcely anything more unappealing than sanctimony, especially when it is spread over more than 30 paragraphs.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago

On a different tack, was the fact that Zelensky’s Charlemagne award fell on the floor during his thank-you diatribe an omen?

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welshsceptic
welshsceptic
2 years ago

Thanks, Ian Rons, for another interesting piece challenging the ‘Team James’ view on this topic. I think you’re probably right.

Reading through other comments on this thread, however, I’m perplexed. Having opposed the authoritarianism experienced in the West in recent yrs, what’s the point of then effectively supporting the even worse authoritarianism of Putin’s regime – like so many of the black-pilled nihilists commenting on this thread seem to do?

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disgruntled246
disgruntled246
2 years ago
Reply to  welshsceptic

.

Last edited 2 years ago by disgruntled246
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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  welshsceptic

Most of the people you refer to belong to the same organisation, or similar organisations, all adding to the gaiety of the nation!

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welshsceptic
welshsceptic
2 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Thanks, Monro. But what organization or organizations do you mean?

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago
Reply to  welshsceptic

‘That Russia serves as a reliable cash machine for Europe’s far-right political forces has long been an open secret.’

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/russia-ukraine-war-putin-europe-far-right-funding-conservatives/

‘Britain First’s links to Russia and support for Putin go far beyond what they are now claiming.’

https://hopenothate.org.uk/2022/05/03/putins-british-mouthpiece-britain-first-leader-paul-goldings-long-history-of-pro-putin-propagandising/

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George L
George L
2 years ago
Reply to  welshsceptic

A pathetic reply like that could only have come from WEF Wales.. another parasite hanging onto the taxes of English tax payers.. FO..

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RTSC
RTSC
2 years ago

” It doesn’t seem to occur to Calvin that if a lot of Brexiteering, lockdown-sceptical, free-thinking people like me think differently to him about Ukraine, then maybe we might just have a point – especially when those who know Russia best, like Konstantin Kisin, are pretty adamant about it.”

———–

I didn’t watch Calvin Robinson. Personally, I prefer an arrangement whereby if I want to be preached at, I go to church – where I can listen to the prattlings of people like him, or Welby, based on their biased and very selective extractions from a book compiled several millennia ago by people unknown who also “had an agenda.”

I do take issue with the extract I’ve quoted above. Interesting and intelligent though Konstantin Kisin undoubtedly is, he can’t be included in a group called “Brexiteering, lockdown-sceptical, let alone free thinking when it comes to Ukraine.

He didn’t vote for Brexit, he has stated several times that he voted Remain. His lockdown-scepticism was a little belated and he has made it perfectly clear that his personal family history has (quite naturally) had a major influence on his attitude towards Ukraine, Russia and Putin. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t provide some insight into the conflict, but “free-thinking” it most definitely ain’t.

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adamcollyer
adamcollyer
2 years ago

“The definite article in “the Ukraine” pre-dates the Soviet Union, but it’s been dropped in English and in Russian because it later came to imply ownership of Ukraine by Russia, as Ukraine was “the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic” before it became independent in 1991.”

Wrong. The Russian language does not have the definite article. This is only an issue in English.

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LaptopMaestro
LaptopMaestro
2 years ago
Reply to  adamcollyer

And we speak English.

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
2 years ago
Reply to  adamcollyer

I used to attend Clatterbridge Hospital on the Wirral, as we locals refer to it.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
2 years ago

I think I would worry a lot less about anything Calvin says when the goofy royals are virtue signalling like mad. The caped dresses on Kate and her daughter like something from a creepy movie, Kate in her Ukrainian blue dress playing the piano on Eurovision show. The carpeting in the church where the coronation took place, blue and yellow. honestly when your “king” and his handlers virtue signal like this, you better wake up folks, things are going to get messy.

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George L
George L
2 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

So.. so right.. the bar-stewards are going for it now.. and it needs to be recognised..

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varmint
varmint
2 years ago

I wish you had given us the 20 pence version of that ramble. It would have saved both you and I a lot of time.

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Epi
Epi
2 years ago
Reply to  varmint

Yeah he does go on a bit!

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George L
George L
2 years ago
Reply to  Epi

He’s only trying to get his point bull across guys.. 😉

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Covid-1984
Covid-1984
2 years ago

Replace the nouns Covid and EV’s and you have Ukraine. Bombarded with more lies from the media and the elites. 30000 more churches in Russia under Putin, whilst Satan’s acolyte Welby gleefully closes ours.

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Monro
Monro
2 years ago

‘All I said was this war has to stop’

I seem to remember John Lennon (and so many others) singing something similar.

Would be great if it worked…….

Last edited 2 years ago by Monro
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Epi
Epi
2 years ago

The Donald had it spot on.

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thelightcavalry
thelightcavalry
2 years ago

What a lot of words. Jesus, Trump cut to the heart of it “I want them to stop dying.” Yes there’ll be conditions and it’s pretty obvious what those will be: Crimea stays Russian, Donbas is left ambiguous with low-level violence, Nato gets lost. That may be unjust, especially insofar as those bastard, depraved war criminals don’t receive the justice due to them, but it’s reality. Ukraine isn’t our responsibility because we don’t run the world and shouldn’t want to. Our meddling is anyway prolonging the suffering and raising the risk of direct war.

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LaptopMaestro
LaptopMaestro
2 years ago

As a general rule, it appears safer to avoid and ignore religious zealots.

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JXB
JXB
2 years ago

Is ‘the’ or ‘not the’ Ukraine with its chicken Kyiv, or is it chykvin kevov- still the Latest Thing we are all to care so deeply and passionately about? Must I put my flag back up?

I thought is was passé – they didn’t even win the Eurovision Freak Contest this year.

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thelightcavalry
thelightcavalry
2 years ago

Who is ‘Ian Rons’ ?

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George L
George L
2 years ago
Reply to  thelightcavalry

A to$$er.. sorry.. but the truth must out.. 😉

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ebygum
ebygum
2 years ago

Today…LOL!

KyivPost
@KyivPost

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine has detained the head of the Supreme Court, Vsevolod Knyasev for accepting a bribe of $2.7 million…

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Philip Neal
Philip Neal
2 years ago

Ian artfully skirts over the Euromaidan revolution of 2014, a colour revolution whipped up by television if ever there was one. It transparently served the purposes of the State Department and the European Commission. NATO (oops, The NATO) must expand into the Ukraine to defend it from Russian expansionism. Moreover, The EU (oops, EU I mean) must extend its hard border up to Russia to integrate the Russian and Ukrainian economies with… er what? 

Oh, and the television news channels which did the whipping were owned by the oligarch Petro Poroshenko. This is a war for the Blob.

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DomTaylor
DomTaylor
2 years ago

Almost immediately lockdown restrictions ended, the war in the Ukraine started and Archbishop Welby sent his nauseating letter to be read out to all Church of England parishes telling congregations exactly how the conflict was to be interpreted and who was ‘the bad guy.’ Good on Calvin Robinson for presenting a different and more nuanced view. As for the so-called ‘genocidal’ Russian Orthodox church, a read of Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago is in order to see how abysmally the Russian Orthodox, its clergy and faithful were treated under the Soviet Regime – a Regime that, according to Anthony Sutton’s extensive research, was backed by Western financial and big business interests. Who’s genocidal?
Rather than taking sides, how about calling out the interests promoting war: the Military-Industrial Complex, the banks financing it, the commercial interests seeking to monopolise Europe’s gas supplies, the Chinese Communist Party to whom Russia, now alienated from the West, is obliged to sell its natural resources, the USA, whose world dominance has historically depended on East-West division between Europe and Asia, governments seeking a distraction from the ongoing financial collapse and effects of their COVID policies, the Biden family looking to cover-up its money-laundering, etc….

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richardw53
richardw53
2 years ago

I’ve just listened to the debate on this issue between Toby and James Delingpole on London Calling. First of all I would say that there is no good reason for a media service like The Daily Sceptic to take a position on political issues such as the Ukraine war. It’s job is surely to expose the arguments and leave readers to draw their own conclusions. I would support Ian Rons or anyone else making a case and defending it with evidence rather than slurs. There is therefore no need for Toby to attempt to be even handed between his contributors such that each has their say – his editorial job is surely to ensure that anyone contributing is making a proper evidence based case, and not, as the Daily Sceptic, adopting a particular position on Ukraine, Bridgen, the shots or anything else. The evidence will do the job of ferreting out the truth.

Maybe I’m looking at the past through rose tinted glasses, but 40 or 50 tears ago, wasn’t this the way the press behaved? Sure, different papers did have different political leanings but this didn’t mean that all they did was support the political narrative.

Last edited 2 years ago by richardw53
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