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Lammy in China

by Ben Pile
21 October 2024 7:00 AM

Among the topics of conversation between U.K. Foreign Minister David Lammy and his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi at their meeting last week was, according to the FCDO “shared interests, including a global green energy transition”. The Labour government believes that it can lead the world in this “transition”, and that to secure this position, the UK must become a “clean energy superpower by 2030”, requiring the total decarbonisation of the power sector by that time. But the statistics reveal the very different natures of the two government’s “shared interests” and raise the question of what Lammy thinks he was doing in Beijing and Shanghai.

Britain’s army of green wonks, at some point in the last decade or so, have got it into their heads that China is the model of green transition. This is because China invests heavily in the production and deployment of green technology. Between 2013 and 2023, China’s annual electricity generated from wind increased from 376 TWh to 2,301 TWh – an increase of 612%. Britain’s wind power fleet meanwhile produced 77 TWh in 2013, rising to 213 TWh in 2023 – an increase of 276%.


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    Monro
    Monro
    6 months ago

    Lammy looks like he needs to take up that favourite pastime of Labour foreign ministers: hill walking…..the (282) Munros……why not? You never know….it might work?

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    Freddy Boy
    Freddy Boy
    6 months ago

    Wonderful to remember my grand parents & parents + all their relatives involvement in two wars, not of their making, to save England they were told & yet here we are with the most complete buffoon ever to represent our once great country !

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    Lockdown Sceptic
    Lockdown Sceptic
    6 months ago

    Britain’s Net Zero Makes China Richer

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    lulu-b45
    lulu-b45
    6 months ago

    Hang on we in Australia will be the global energy superpower. We said it first. Then along came Trudeau, Sleepy Joe and all the others wanting to be superpowers too. Fair suck of the sauce bottle mate

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    RW
    RW
    6 months ago
    Reply to  lulu-b45

    That’s doubtlessly a phrase invented by some professional PR guys working for the UN which is supposed to be used to sell this Quatsch¹ to electorates all over the world.

    ¹ German for nonsense.

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    Purpleone
    Purpleone
    6 months ago
    Reply to  RW

    I’m sure it’s lovely being able to describe yourself as a superpower in something, however the skill the Chinese seem to bring, is doing it AND making a living out of it

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    DrDan
    DrDan
    6 months ago
    Reply to  lulu-b45

    Australia will be a global superpower in sabotaging its energy generation

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    Dinger64
    Dinger64
    6 months ago

    At the last count China has 3100 coal fired power plants! How many does Britain have?
    If only we did share that interest with China!

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    JOpenmind
    JOpenmind
    6 months ago

    Ben, great article, thanks. The CO2 graph since 1700 is really interesting. The UK’s output across the Industrial Revolution doesn’t even compare to the output from China. How can anyone in the Green camp factually believe we are the sinners of CO2 output?

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    Hardliner
    Hardliner
    6 months ago
    Reply to  JOpenmind

    Don’t ever forget, it’s not about atmospheric chemistry…….

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    varmint
    varmint
    6 months ago

    “A clean energy superpower” with the highest electricity prices in the world and where the old and poor have to use as little energy as possible or they won’t eat. If they don’t ration their energy use then the smart meter will do it for them. —–What kind of “Superpower” is this supposed to be?

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    klf
    klf
    6 months ago
    Reply to  varmint

    Well said.

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    Tonka Rigger
    Tonka Rigger
    6 months ago

    That utter simpleton is so far out of his depth I can scarcely express it. The Chinese must be in equal parts wonder and mirth at how far the British State has fallen, and how it has halfwits like this now representing it on the world stage.

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    soundofreason
    soundofreason
    6 months ago
    Reply to  Tonka Rigger

    Hmm, Boris Johnson was foreign secretary for a while…

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    JASA
    JASA
    6 months ago
    Reply to  soundofreason

    Yes, a buffoon, but Boris Johnson is intelligent and has a brain. David Lammy is clearly not intelligent at all.

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    Purpleone
    Purpleone
    6 months ago
    Reply to  Tonka Rigger

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall when they discuss these things afterwards – they do well to keep a straight face

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    Pete Sutton
    Pete Sutton
    6 months ago

    Caption: “…and this, Comrades, is the Foreign Minister of the United Kingdom. Watch me pull his strings!”

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    Robin Guenier
    Robin Guenier
    6 months ago

    As always a great article from Ben. And his final paragraph is spot on. But it’s all very well to say his solution is ‘not easy’ – in truth it’s damned difficult. I’ve yet to see anyone indicate a realistic plan for bringing it about. And, until someone does, it’s not gonna happen.

    So, for what its worth here’s my suggestion:

    A major obstacle is that it seems that most people in the UK subscribe to the view that that the Net Zero policy is broadly necessary. Therefore what’s needed first is to change that. I believe that might be possible if the soon-to-be-appointed Tory leader were to take it on as a key priority (admittedly a big if). If so, I suggest that he or she should start a detailed campaign now demonstrating the utter foolishness of Labour’s handling of the policy. Then, as that view begins to get established – reinforced by people’s practical experience of the damage the policy’s doing to living standards – to taper that criticism into criticism of the policy itself and then into a call for radical change as advocated by Ben. As it’s likely to be 4 or 5 years before the next election, there’s (unfortunately) plenty of time in which to develop such an approach.

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    mrbu
    mrbu
    6 months ago
    Reply to  Robin Guenier

    Politicians are very adept at following public opinion, as demonstrated by our current illustrious PM. If they think there are votes to be gained, they’ll happily flip-flop til the cows come home (unless the cows have been euthanised to control methane emissions). But the key to public opinion surely has to be the MSM, and how on earth do intelligent free-thinking individuals get them to stop spewing out their constant net zero propaganda and start thinking about what they’re saying?

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    Purpleone
    Purpleone
    6 months ago
    Reply to  Robin Guenier

    Tories won’t flip flop on this subject – they are as bought and paid for as the rest of them… they’ve pushed this for 14 years

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    CGW
    CGW
    6 months ago

    China is not stupid. It is that simple!

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    Purpleone
    Purpleone
    6 months ago
    Reply to  CGW

    China, unlike most other countries, actually have a very long term plan – 50 years + if I remember reading correctly… they don’t flip from one objective to the next based on Twitter posts, they set an objective, devise a strategy and implement it, adjusting as needed on the way. And at the moment, you have to say, they are doing a pretty good job – at least from the outside it looks like that. Can’t speak for their population of course, who may or may not be enjoying the experience

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    minkybink
    minkybink
    6 months ago

    How difficult is it to fool David Lammy?

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    RW
    RW
    6 months ago

    The shared interest is obviously the somewhat asymmetric situation that the UK will need lots of green energy technology gadgets China can produce cheaply and would very much like to sell, ie, that both Lammy (and to government he represents) and Wang Yi share an interest in the well-being of the Chinese “green energy” industry and that neither of both care very much about the well-being of the UK and the people living here.

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    JXB
    JXB
    6 months ago

    “China is fooling David Lammy…”

    Requires little effort.

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    mrbu
    mrbu
    6 months ago

    “Net Zero…” what?
    Net Zero carbon emissions? (Whatever difference that will make)
    Net Zero industry? (In the UK, probably, so we’ll be reliant on countries such as China)
    Net Zero debate? (Green extremists want questioning climate change to be a criminal offence)
    Net Zero free thought? (See above)
    Net Zero wealth? (Thanks to green taxes and higher fuel pricess)
    Net Zero freedom? (Travel will be unaffordable, and discouraged anyway)

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    varmint
    varmint
    6 months ago
    Reply to  mrbu

    All based on the UN/WEF idea that our lifestyles are “unsustainable” and we are to make do with less of EVERYTHING. —-And guess what, our Political Class are all fully onboard with our impoverishment and kiss the arses of the World Government people.

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    huxleypiggles
    huxleypiggles
    6 months ago

    https://order-order.com/2024/10/21/government-hires-greenpeace-director-for-new-special-representative-for-nature-non-job/

    Labour create another non-job as they seek to destroy our country.

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    DrDan
    DrDan
    6 months ago

    They have a shared interest in destroying the West and selling Chinese solar panels to the UK

    Last edited 6 months ago by DrDan
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    7941MHKB
    7941MHKB
    6 months ago

    The most likely reason for little Lsmmy’s little jolly, is to confirm that China will mark up trade deals with “10% for the big guy.”

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    Myra
    Myra
    6 months ago

    I always find it difficult when authors go along with the CO2 narrative. I thought the idea that CO2 was causing climate change was a fantasy? So if it is, why give it airtime? Why use it in argumentation?
    I gather China is also building multiple nuclear power plants?
    The whole climate narrative is so muddied.
    The idea that humans can control the earth’s thermostat is odd, but at the same time maybe we should have a discussion about our increasing use of the earth’s resources and pollution? Which includes the building and decommissioning of solar panels and wind turbines by the way.

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    Corky Ringspot
    Corky Ringspot
    6 months ago

    Haven’t got the time or energy to read and grasp the implications of this one – but the mere presence of Lammy in China, to say nothing of the possibility that he will actually speak to anyone, is simply terrifying.

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    coviture2020
    coviture2020
    6 months ago

    If destroying our own industries, to achieve our saintly status of world exemplar, is the singular policy then we must tolerate the lack of undergarments if we are not to achieve our exemplar status without exporting our CO2 emissions.

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