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Can Anything Now Arrest Our Descent into a Chinese-Style Surveillance State?

by Nick Rendell
13 December 2023 3:18 PM

Anticipating Keir Starmer’s ascent to the office of Prime Minister, I’m reminded of that great Bob Monkhouse line: “When I said I was going to be a comedian they all laughed. Well, they’re not laughing now!”

As a radical Left-wing schoolboy, Starmer probably envisaged a future when Britain became something like Cuba, but without the weather. Later, as he matured maybe the social-democratic paradise that was Sweden became the model. But, now on the cusp of power if he were to look around the world which society might his gaze alight upon as the model for British society within the next generation? I’m not sure. But my fear is that whatever our potential next Labour Prime Minister aims for, I suspect where we will end up is something dispiritingly like South Africa, but with Chinese characteristics.

The adoption of ‘capitalism with Chinese characteristics’ has had a remarkable effect on the Chinese and world economies over the past 40 years or so. But it’s another set of ‘Chinese characteristics’, this time relating to the ‘surveillance’ society, utilising facial recognition technology, social credit scoring and fiscal cancelling, when allied to South African style social breakdown, that may become the societal model that Britain and many other parts of Europe and the West are destined to follow unless steps are taken to resist this trend.

Contemporary South Africa is characterised by extreme levels of violent crime with an annual homicide rate 40 times greater than the U.K.’s. Over one third of the population is unemployed, with rates among the young even higher.

South African society has always been a two-tier society. The apartheid racial split is still evident, but the simple racial divide has to some extent been overtaken by the emergence of both a black and Asian middle class moving into what were previously exclusively white areas. Increasingly segregation is class based, with the middle-class living in gated compounds or migrating.

In the 30 years since the ANC came to power, the share of GDP going to the poorest 50% of the population has halved. Conversely, the share of GDP going to the wealthiest 0.1% has doubled.

It’s not so different in the U.K. A recent report by the Centre for Social Justice, ‘Two Nations: the state of poverty in the U.K.‘, draws attention to the ever-growing divide between the ‘have’s and have nots’ and the social breakdown that this can lead to. It highlights that many people turn to welfare rather than work and that wages tend to do little to improve people’s financial well-being.

Back in South Africa we find that in addition to a worsening of the social class divide public services have failed to improve. South Africa now is plagued by rolling power cuts, with many households and businesses using petrol generators to keep the lights on. It doesn’t take much imagination to foresee a similar situation in the U.K. with unreliable power provision. Already, people are being paid to switch off their electricity and last winter it was only the mild weather that allowed us to escape power outages.

In South Africa crime, particularly violent crime is endemic. The police have largely withdrawn from many urban areas. In Johannesburg, the commercial centre has largely relocated itself to Sandton, a purpose-built Central Business District, and in the process abandoned the old centre to urban decay.

We see similar patterns beginning to emerge in many European cities. ‘Working from home’ has exacerbated the trend that’s seen the hollowing-out of our cities. Empty shops and offices in city centres have permitted the emergence of tent cities and squatters.

Riots have broken out in Dublin and many other European cities. Islamist inspired stabbings across Europe have lost their ability to shock, though this may, in part be due to the suppression of the details of the story by the mainstream media. As in South Africa, the police in areas of Stockholm, Brussels, Dublin and Paris observe ‘no-go’ areas.

Elon Musk, discussing his motivation to buy Twitter with Joe Rogan, attributed the decision to the social collapse of downtown San Francisco, which he blamed on the widespread adoption of woke ideology. This collapse is more fully explored In a recent UnHerd piece, where Freddie Sayers investigates the causes of San Francisco’s decline. Despite the self-evident problems there are plans to partially ‘defund the police’ with the loss of hundreds of officers. The suspicion must be that the residual police officers will spend their time policing the more ‘well-to-do’ areas while, effectively ‘no-go’ areas will be left to ‘police’ themselves.

Like our haircuts, fashion sense and dance moves, we hit a rut in our late teens or early 20s and never really break out. So, it is with much of our politics. I rather suspect that Keir Starmer in his dreams still hopes that one he’ll wake up and magically we’ve all morphed back into 1980s Sweden, Abba will be number one again and Volvos will be rolling off the production line.

In contemplating the prospect of ‘South Africa with Chinese characteristics’ there are three fundamental questions to ask. Firstly, is it inevitable? Secondly, is it desirable? Thirdly, is there the will to stop or reverse the trend?

Sad to say, but I think unless something is done very soon to control it then it’s inevitable. What’s more, there’s no obvious sign that many people either recognise it as a threat or, if they do, are minded to fight against it.

The surveillance society is not going back in its box anytime soon. Let’s look at a few examples. Facial recognition technology is already widely deployed. It makes policing easier and cheaper; it’s here to stay. Likewise, electronic payments. Like it or not, cash is disappearing fast, and unlike cash, electronic payments always leave a trail. Stephen Timms MP in a recent speech in Parliament highlighted new legislation that will allow Government to look inside your bank account. Your phone tracks you, ANPR cameras track you. Your spending and viewing history tracks you. The surveillance society is here, we’re already living with it.

Fifteen-minute cities appear to be coming fast, but even without them various forms of ‘zonal’ control allow the authorities to track people in real time via mobile phone and facial recognition of ANPR cameras.

The second question is the desirability of the surveillance society. The argument in favour is always the same: “If you haven’t got anything to hide, then what’s the problem?” But, of course, surveillance of private citizens by the state is the antithesis of what the role of the state should be. The state should be subject to the will of the people, serving individuals in pursuing their goals, yet increasingly every facet of our lives is subject to state oversight.

The key drivers that allow this continual extension of the surveillance state are cost and fear.

Let’s take ‘cost’. People want their streets policed. Installing cameras, deploying drones and tracking vehicles is much cheaper and more cost-effective than deploying police officers to do the same job. Doing an electronic search of people’s bank accounts for anomalous payments is far cheaper and more effective than deploying tax inspectors. Road pricing by the mile driven is far more targeted and opens up the possibility of using the price mechanism to manage congestion, but it requires real-time vehicle tracking. All these things can happen and so, we must assume, will happen.

The surveillance state inevitably changes the relationship between the governors and the governed. In the spirit of Churchill, his advice to ‘never let a good crisis go to waste’ was very much taken to heart during the Covid period, which saw a remarkable extension of state power and the diminution of the ability of the individual to resist that power.

With regard to ‘fear’, Covid gave us a glimpse of how ‘nudge’ units and the control of the news and social media can instil totally irrational levels of fear in the vast majority of the population. In the same way that it was relatively straightforward to whip up paranoia over Covid, so we see the same tactics being used over Net Zero. Who’s to say similar tactics won’t be used over ‘terrorism’ or the threat of the ‘ultra-Right’.

Enlarge the state and you create the need for yet more state resources to both carry out those additional tasks and manage conformity of the population. The budget deficit is running at about 5% of GDP as we continue to pile up debt and reduce the ability of the State to direct additional resources where they’re needed. Interest payments on U.K. borrowings are running at about 10% of Government spending. As an item of expenditure, debt interest payments run second only to the NHS!

There is an obvious need for the state to do less but it keeps doing more.

If the Government can incite enough fear of viruses, climate change and terrorism people can be persuaded that ever greater levels of surveillance are indeed for their own good.

Unless the erosion of freedoms can move up the political agenda I see no prospect of the slide towards South Africa with Chinese characteristics not continuing. Organisations such as the Free Speech Union and Big Brother Watch, in addition to the citizen groups that emerged during the pandemic such as UsForThem, have worked hard to highlight the growing problem. However, neither Labour nor the Conservatives put personal freedoms front and centre of their agenda. Encouragingly, Reform has a lot to say about personal freedoms. But if it’s only Reform raising the issue it’s too easy for the mainstream media to dismiss personal freedom as a minority interest of the ‘far-Right’, with their usual smear.

The obvious requirement is for someone or something to articulate the inherent danger of the loss of personal freedoms. We’re very much in ‘boiling frog’ territory and unless many more people can be awakened to the importance of what’s being lost then it’s only a matter of time before we discover that our society looks like South Africa with Chinese characteristics. Not a prospect I relish for my children.

Tags: AnarchyChinaCrimeSocial breakdownSocial Credit SystemSouth AfricaSurveillanceSurveillance State

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

My contention throughout has been that the first lockdown was responsible for the second wave simply by delaying reaching the herd immunity level.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

What ‘second wave’? What I see is a fairly normal seasonal rise, probably enhanced at its peak by further dry tinder deaths caused by the vaccine.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

And how many deaths were caused by the lockdowns themselves?

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

The major were caused by the correct medical care not being available, either through ignorance, political evil or bedwetting.
The CQC has asked to investigate the number of involuntary DNRs signed on behalf of the disabled in OURNHS.
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/04/01/do-not-resuscitate-scandal-led-to-disabled-people-accounting-for-3-in-5-covid-deaths-according-to-ons-figures/

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The Dogman
The Dogman
3 years ago

Other factors to consider are that we know that lockdowns, not the virus, added to mortality in several ways. It is well-documented that there were more deaths due to untreated cardiac disease and cancers. If you add these back into the data, I suspect that age-adjusted mortality would not have been very different from the last few years.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Hole digging exercise for the world

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago

This makes perfect sense to me – its the vaccinated who are creating the variants!!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/h467LeHsPNDF/

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Mayo
Mayo
3 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

The variants of concern are almost certainly vaccine driven variants.

It’s a bit long and technical but there’s a fantastic presentation by Paul Bieniasz (pronounced Bin-osh) which uses in vitro experiments to infect spike protein antibody cells with SARS-CoV-2, The evolutionary cycle is effectively speeded up.

Eventually, a cluster of cells became infected. The infected cells included common mutations, e.g. E484K.

The E484K mutation is present in the UK, South African and Brazilian variants. .

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

It will be a never ending merry-go-round of jabbing. However its even more important for non vaxxers, myself included to keep our bodies healthy and our vitamin intake to a maximum, particularly in the coming autumn and winter months. I pray this government and its psychopathic advisers will feature in the Nuremburg II trials very soon.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
3 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Those variants are completely within the T-cell repertoire of every person immune through infection or vaccination.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

https://www.rnd.de/politik/corona-schwedens-sonderweg-in-der-pandemie-eine-bilanz-P5OUJ6FLFZFCFBARECIA5UAVUA.html
There was a very objective and fair article mentioning this and other advantages of the Swedish approach in the German MSM (RND is a left German feeder service then used by many large newspapers) yesterday.
First time ever, maybe the blame game and CYA is about to start there too.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
3 years ago

I will be dead and gone

However I suspect my grandchildren in their dotage will give talks to schoolchildren about the British Holocaust

They will tell how scientists and doctors were central to the poisoning of millions

The children will gasp as they hear that anyone could be arrested for sitting on a park bench

My grandchildren will tell how they saw men, women and children beaten to death in the streets for refusing the poison

There will be exhibits, the propaganda posters, camouflage cool bags, fake vaccine passports etc

The schoolchildren will agree this must never happen again, however a new Pig Dictator will emerge in due course

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

“British Holocaust”

Cecil – hyperbole doesn’t really help. Hard, cold facts are enough.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

“when you calculate mortality the correct way – as the age-standardised mortality rate”

The ‘age standardized mortality rate’ is not the ‘correct’ method of calculation. It is one way of looking at mortality. It is useful for some purposes. It does, for instance, give some indication of the ‘dry tinder’ effect in a year like 2020. The problem is that its general use introduces theoretical assumptions about the age profile in a population’s mortality figures. It conflates basic description with projection.

Think about it.

Simple size adjustment is clearer in that it avoids such theoretical modelling.

Similarly, we have our old friend ‘excess mortality’ : another shaky notion that pretends to authority – but is actually a flexible variable arrived at by chance and habit

In the end, the underpinning of ‘exceptional’ mortality in 2020 is a fiction that has been known as such for over a year, and can be seen in simple population adjusted figures.

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Mayo
Mayo
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

For purposes of comparison, ASMR is the most reliable way to calculate mortality. It adjusts for the age profile of a country so comparisons can be made with previous years and/or with other countries.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

I’ve already answered that notion. You’re just asserting the convention.

It is useful to note that the popularity of age-correction suddenly emerged when the Covid zealots thought it might work in their favour. I remember it being used to suggest that this was, indeed a 100 year event – the worst since the Spanish Flu. Previously, they were happy to quote raw numbers.

Thus my favouring, on balance, simple transparency.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

P.S. A useful article, taking apart the ‘excess mortality’ stuff is found in today’s Round Up :

https://shahar-26393.medium.com/not-a-shred-of-doubt-sweden-was-right-32e6dab1f47a

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rockoman
rockoman
3 years ago

Can anyone point me please to the source for age-adjusted Swedish mortality data from 2015 to 2020?

Thanks in advance.

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jsampson45
jsampson45
3 years ago

“well-executed focussed protection strategy.” Exactly how?

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Occams Pangolin Pie
Occams Pangolin Pie
3 years ago

A clear statement of the facts. Thank you!

We are living way beyond facts now, however. Listening to any minister, like Jenrick for instance, or Zahawi or Shapps, let alone Gove and Johnson, is proof of that they have eaten of the insane root.

I begin to suspect that some of them actually believe what they are saying.

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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

…move along, nothing to see here…LOOK, A WEDDING!!

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