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Europe Successfully Closed its Borders to the Unvaccinated. Why Can’t it Stop Illegal Immigrants Pouring in?

by Eugyppius
15 October 2023 7:00 PM

Europe has entered it second great migration crisis since 2014.

Numbers are now at levels not seen since the aftermath of the Libyan civil war in 2014. Here, from the Italian Institute for International Political Studies, is a graph of migrant arrivals in Italy from January 2010 through September 2023:

EU statistics confirm the extreme situation: Before the end of 2023, the EU, Norway and Switzerland together are projected to receive more than a million asylum applications, and therefore to meet or even exceed the 2016 record of 1.23 million. Germany alone has seen a 74% increase in applications compared to the same period in 2022; only Latvia and Estonia have faced higher pressure, due to migration from Belarus caused by the war in Ukraine. So far, the EU, which is entrusted with the security of European borders, has reacted with tepid half-measures, proposing to fast-track the approval process outside of Europe for those applicants with the least chances of success. This is expected to affect only a minority – perhaps a quarter – of migrants. The rest will enter the Schengen Area as before and live on state entitlements while their applications are processed over months and years.

The examples of Denmark and Hungary show that the migration policies of individual member states can have a dramatic impact on the settlement of migrants domestically. Both countries have taken a hard line against mass migration, and Denmark has seen their asylum applications fall by 56% compared to 2022, while Hungary has processed a mere 26 applications for all of 2023. There is basically no chance that the present German government, dominated by Social Democrats and Greens, will follow their lead any time soon. They are currently negotiating legal adjustments that will allegedly make it slightly easier to deport migrants whose asylum applications have been denied. Nobody believes this will change anything.

The latest polls show that migration is now the most important political issue for 44% of Germans. Despite wall-to-wall climate hysteria from the state media, environmental concerns now take a distant second place, predominating for a mere 18% of voters. The energy crisis of 2022 inaugurated the great German political volte face, and the migrant crisis seems poised to complete it. Collectively, the ruling parties of the “traffic light” coalition claim the continued loyalty of only 33% of Germans:

The media cannot suppress the migrant problem or talk it away, because the consequences are very immediate and extremely visible at the local level. Every last community has to find housing for the new arrivals. Generally they’re accommodated at first in school sport halls. In the longer-term, migrants receive housing rented by municipal authorities, which is expensive and in extremely short supply.

Reports, like this one from Focus, are all over the press:

In Rosenheim, things are getting worse. The situation is “extremely tense,” according to the district office. Every month about 100 people sent to them, either asylum seekers or refugees from Ukraine. These people are first accommodated in gymnasiums and later distributed.

The district currently rents about 280 properties, but it is “not feasible” to provide housing for 100 new arrivals every month. In addition, the occupation of the gymnasiums with asylum seekers and refugees is “a great burden for school and mass sports.”

District Administrator Otto Lederer (CSU) told FOCUS: “I am very dissatisfied with the asylum and refugee policy of the federal government. For example, the supply of adequate housing alone is a major challenge.” However, “integrating these people” is an even greater task that involves many problems.

Lederer’s clear message: “We are ready to take people in and integrate them, but there are limits, resources, for example, that are only available in limited quantities. Integration that doesn’t succeed because the prerequisites are missing is negative for both sides.”

In the meantime, the situation has “also had an impact on our society. Both for the local population, which is partly afraid of being overburdened, and for the refugees, who, when they come to us, can of course expect a certain amount of support,” says Lederer. He sharply rebukes the federal government: “You can’t set up additional voluntary reception programmes on the one hand and then leave the municipalities out in the cold when it comes to accommodation and integration.”

That report was from September, but nothing has changed since then. Yesterday, Reinhard Sager, the president of the German Municipal Council, said this in an interview with Tagesspiegel:

The fact that the wind has changed in the migration debate has not gone unnoticed by the Greens, but they have not responded to the change in mood. “The fact remains: an upper limit [on migration] is practically impossible to implement, undermines the individual right to asylum and contradicts the Geneva Refugee Convention,” wrote Green Party co-chair Ricarda Lang … Limits will “therefore not happen”.

It is true that upper limits would hardly be enforceable legally. But the Green realist wing around Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck doubts that the party is striking the right note on the migration issue … In response to concrete proposals to alleviate the migration pressure, the Greens mostly express reservations or say no. They reject extending the definition of safe countries of origin to the states of North Africa, and they are at least sceptical about a switch to benefits in kind [instead of monetary entitlements] for asylum seekers.

Even the cautious changes of the EU asylum reform in the summer went too far for many Greens, who quickly condemned the compromise as amounting to a policy of “isolation and deterrence.” They simply deny that comparatively high German social entitlements constitute a “pull factor,” often claiming that this has not been scientifically proven. …

Losses in the state elections of Bavaria and Hesse apparently did not cause enough suffering to change any minds.

Left-wing Greens in particular emphasise that they have been in worse positions before, since they are in government both federally and in eleven federal states. But it is above all the realists who fear for the political relationships of their party and look to the coming year with queasy feelings.

The European elections are looming in June next year, and afterwards there will be state elections in Thuringia, Saxony and Brandenburg in September. The main issues will be “migration and the economy,” says a Green member of parliament. “If we don’t deliver on these issues, who will want to form a coalition with us?”

The answer is the CDU, if one can judge from the statements of their own politicians – even if doing so threatens to destroy the centre-right establishment. It has long been clear that the Greens regard their position in government not as an opportunity to strike compromises and ensure the longer-term viability of their party programme, but as a fleeting chance to shove as much of their vision down the throats of Germans as they can, until they’re finally voted out. Their leadership maintain the ethos of a radical protest party, and so we have no chance of anything changing until the next national elections in 2025. By then, they will have seeded a wide variety of social, cultural and economic problems that will continue to bear fruit for decades, even if they are banished forever to the political wilderness.

The political scientist Stefan Luft has given an interview explaining the longer-term political consequences of the migration crisis for Europe as he sees them. If the EU can’t stop the flood, more and more member states will begin a grand competition to worsen conditions for asylum-seekers, incentivising them to settle elsewhere. States that don’t withdraw entitlements from new arrivals would simply be punished, driving everyone ultimately to reinstate internal border controls and effectively suspending the open travel Europeans have enjoyed since the Schengen Agreement of 1985.

The political visions of allegedly fringe nationalist and Eurosceptic parties are thus on the verge of realisation, an inevitable consequence of the internal logic of the open-borders vision itself. Naturally, this will happen only after European countries have imported millions more poor, uneducated foreigners than they can ever realistically manage or integrate. In the meantime, there will be a scramble to undo the Merkel-era branding of migration opponents as right-wing xenophobes, not because this was always stupid, but because the future of the establishment left is at stake. Even solid majorities of German the Greens and the SPD demand tighter border controls. As the Danish Social Democrats have realised, pro-migration policies alienate the working class most of all, leaving the left with no voters beyond well-off, oblivious, environmentally obsessed urbanites, who exercise an outsized influence on media and academic discourse, but don’t amount to more than 10% of voters.

This piece originally appeared on Eugyppius’s Substack newsletter. You can subscribe here.

Tags: Asylum SeekersGermanyImmigrationRicarda LangStefan Luft

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timsk
timsk
3 years ago

Lawrence Fox makes a very valid point and in an amusing way. Class!

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
3 years ago

This is an absurd and anachronistic discussion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

I don’t care if the next archbish is white, black, or purple with pink polka-dots. I just want him to be a Christian.

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

That will never happen.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Then I’m your man. I’m not ordained, but I’m happy and prepared to be fast tracked.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

There are other similar petitions that could be pushed to make the stupid “elites” suffer the consequences of their malevolent policies.

For example, a petition for banning private jets from British airspace. Let Bill Gates and all the other Davos oligarchs take an EasyJet to reduce their carbon footprint.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Good idea, perhaps every MP should be forced to pay for a heat pump to be installed at their own homes at their expense without subsidy.
Then they can get back to us after a couple of years to let us know how great and efficient they are.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

They would do it through blue lips and chattering teeth. When have you ever known a politician to admit they were wrong?

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

True enough but they do sometimes shift course whilst pretending it was always the plan.

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
3 years ago

They have tried for two thousand years to destroy the Christ energy and they still haven’t succeeded and never could. The mystery of Golgotha can only occur once on this earth and the Christ impulse is ever growing. They don’t understand the mytsery of the ethereal world, the power behind the sun. If you want to survive and fight this force then you need to undestand this level of reality. If you understand its true majesty then you will understand the enormous efforts to debase it.

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Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

The sun is nuclear fusion, simple as that.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Lord Snotty

How do you know, did The Science tell you?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

To be an atheist, one must recognise belief.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Of all the world views that exist atheism is by far the most bat shit crazy, the most demonstrably false.
Agnosticism is perfectly reasonable, atheism is arrogant twattery of the first order.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
2 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Actually, having an imaginary friend as an adult is extremely irrational.

Atheism is just the absence of belief in God.

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Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change between types.

There are several types of energy, none of which is called “Christ”

Do you mean “kinetic”

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Lord Snotty

The energy of belief is converted from something.

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I wonder how efficient these conversions are in terms of energy retention…..

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

That energy continues with peoples faith throughout their lives. So pretty good I imagine.

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
3 years ago

His energy is utterly Ahrimanic as a Christian I see him as an embodiment of the furthest away possible. Utterly stupid and vacuous. Untold damage to the spirituality of this country.

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John Dee
John Dee
3 years ago

Welby looks and acts like such a weedy wonk that CofE folk should be suing him for bringing their religion into disrepute.
His ‘muscular Christianity’ has atrophied (if he ever had any).

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Made his money in the Oil industry, saw the light, and thought flagellating the rest of the country for his (imaginary) sins would smooth his path to the promised land.

I’m not religious, but I have a great deal of respect for people who are.

But Welby and the rest of his bejewelled cronies don’t represent faith to me, and I’m damn sure Jesus wouldn’t have been impressed with Welby’s medieval pretensions, nor his pompous opinions on what humanity should or shouldn’t be doing.

Save souls mate, that’s you job.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Gok Wan for archbishop of Canterbury, sure Gok is an atheist but that hasn’t impeded Welby.

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
3 years ago
  1. This crooked prat you should deal with him. JUst makes me loath the emodiment of nastiness that we have become.
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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

As amusing as it is, there’s a serious side to this. Those amongst us unfortunate enough to be born with ‘white’ skin are branded as supremacists and endemically racist by some (very few in reality) in our society.

Our forefathers fought with and died for other cultures and races, to ensure this country wasn’t a white supremacist Aryan satellite of, amongst others, Nazi Germany where the solution to any ‘race problem’ was genocide.

Personally speaking, in terms of reparation, it makes up for any historic slavery.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You have to give it to the Nazis none of this sort of woke bollocks or mass immigration, or Islamisation would be taking place on their watch.
And the bankers would have been neutered, and communism would have been destroyed much earlier.
Apart from that they were poopers.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I’d rather being fighting this fight than worrying I might be next for the gas chambers because I didn’t fit the preferred profile of one man.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

There were no gas chambers the physical evience proves this,that story was simply war time propaganda designed to demonise the German National Socialists and to justify their brutal treatment post war.
There was a Holocaust (an offering by fire) the Holocaust was the RAF and USAF dropping millions of tonnes of incendiary bombs on German civilian targets.
As ever the victor writes the history books.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The ovens you can now visit in Auschwitz were hurriedly built post war then?

That makes sense…….

I guess the lady I met with a number tattooed on her arm, who described conditions there, was a figment of my imagination as well.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Crematoria aren’t gas chambers.
A number tatooed on an arm is not evidence of a gas chamber or mass murder.
The concentration camps operated by German National Socialists did have crematoria in order to dispose of corpses, no one disputes this.
The claimed homicidal gas chambers that are on display at Aushwitz were built by the Soviets after they seized control of the camp from the Germans.
A young Jewish historian called David Cole produced a documentary about the homicidal gas chamber claims of Aushwitz, he concludes that there is no evidence to support the claims of mass murder quite the opposite.
At the end of the documentary Cole interviewed the camp museum director Dr Piper.
Dr Piper admitted that the ‘gas chamber’ that was on display as being as original was of Soviet construction.
The documentary is called ‘Cole goes to Auschwitz’.
You can watch this documentary at Holocausthandbooks.com along with numerous others that explain how the official narrative is demonstrably false.

The reason you believe the Holocaust lies is because you have been indoctrinated into believing the story in much the same way that millions of people have been indoctrinated into believing the covid lies.

The lie serves the interests of powerful people.

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Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Some of the Holocaust claims may well be exaggerated.

But enough incontrovertible evidence exists to show that Hitler wanted the Jews in Germany and conquered lands disposed of, and that various organisations in Germany killed many of them in various ways.

You aren’t arguing that because there may be some doubt about the precise usage of currently-existing buildings, Hitler actually liked the Jews, are you?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

He’s entitled to his opinion, but basing it on a single documentary in light of innumerable witnesses who have testified under oath about it, his claims are somewhat ill considered.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

‘He’s entitled to his opinion, but basing it on a single documentary.’

No Scot, I am basing my views on numerous documentaries (putting the view of both sides forward), numerous books (putting the view of both sides forward), numerous podcasts and presentations (putting the view of both sides forward).

You are correct in that I did only refence one source in favour of the view that I accept as true, I think citing a Jewish historian calling BS on the Holocaust narrative is provocative and will hopefully cause some people to think and hopefully watch the documentary for themselves.

The cite Holocausthanbooks.com is a richresource for anyone willingto entertain the possibility that the government has lied bout this is as well.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

‘You aren’t arguing that because there may be some doubt about the precise usage of currently-existing buildings, Hitler actually liked the Jews, are you?’

No I am not.

‘But enough incontrovertible evidence exists to show that Hitler wanted the Jews in Germany and conquered lands disposed of’

Prior to the start of WW2 hostilities Hitler had an agreement with the German based Jews that would see them being shipped to Palestine so they could live there.
The arrangement was called The Transfer Agreement, they evenminted a commemorative coin with the Star of David on one side and the Swastika on the other.
So yes there is clear evidence of a programme to expel them, there is no credible evidence of a plan to exterminate them.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I can promise you, the woman I met had no reason to lie to me or anyone else present. Indeed, it wasn’t until I asked her about the tattoo (much to my wife’s horror) that she talked to us about it.

It was about 30 years ago and she could derive no benefit from lying to us. She was part of a small catering team at a birthday event in an old Tudor mansion we stayed at. She described how, as a young child she watched her mother, father and older siblings being taken to the gas chambers as they got off the train. She never saw them again.

What did the Germans do with these thousands of people packed onto a single train if not dispose of them?

Did she deliberately have her arm tattooed so some random stranger would ask her about it and she could spin a yarn?

Crematoria are not lines of ovens that can fit numerous corpses in each of them. What other prison do you know of, that has multiple ovens?

Surely that would be the case in British POW camps for Germans, wouldn’t it?

There seems to be no mention of multiple ‘crematoria’ in the American concentration camps where 120,000 Japanese residents of the country were forcibly interned.

She described events there very precisely.

Have you heard of the Sainted David Attenborough and the Walruses?

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

No one disputes that some inmates were tatooed with inmate reference numbers – this is not proof that millions of people were gassed in homicidal gas chambers.

The concentration camps were real, they were large complexes more like towns than a prison. I know of lots of towns with numerous crematoria ovens.
The Germans are known for their technical skills and efficiency, if they wanted to dispose of corpses on an industrial scale they would have used a blast furnace, this method would be far more fuel efficient and quicker.

Are you unfamiliar with the Rhine meadow death camps?
After Allied victory around 1.5 to 2 million German POWs and civillians were held in open air camps along the Rhine for years. They had no access to sanitation, sufficient clean water, proper food or medical care, the Allies murdered tens of thousands this way. They had sufficient POW camps and resources to cater for these prisoners but they opted to murder them instead.

I believed all of the standard narrative on this topic until I was chllenged to listen to the case for the defence. When I listened I realised that the standard narrative is a lie.
The Allies needed a propaganda tool to help demonise the German National Socialists and some cover to excuse their own war crimes such as fire bombing civillian targets.

For the record I prefer an originalist view of the American Constitution as a form of limited government, I do not approve of the statist form of government of the German National Socialists from the WW2 era.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

No evidence? Apart from the eye witness testimony of the incarcerated that is.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

If you accept only the official government approved narrative and refuse to listen to the case for the defence, to do some of your own research, then you will believe as you believe.

The same point could be made regarding covid.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

You, Mr. Tea, are complete moron.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

You Mr Beowulf have been propagandised into believing a lie.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

In the 1950s I lived in what was then called West Germany. Members of my Dad’s regiment liberated one of the camps and I twice visited Belsen, which was nearby. We also had weekly visits from a German national (who acted as an interpreter following the end of hostilities) who collected our English newspapers and magazines and stayed for a chat. None of these people were the mouthpiece of the Government yet they confirmed what happened. You, on the other hand, watched a documentary.

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MrTea
MrTea
2 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

None of which provides proof of six million people being murdered in homicidal gas chambers.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
2 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Your National Socialism has been noted.

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MrTea
MrTea
2 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

‘For the record I prefer an originalist view of the American Constitution as a form of limited government, I do not approve of the statist form of government of the German National Socialists from the WW2 era.’

Your inability to read has been noted.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
2 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Your National Socialism is quite obvious, given the rest of your posts contradict your excerpt.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

And don’t imagine for a moment Hitler hated communist’s. He had signed a non aggression treaty with them prior to WW2 and only turned on them for the oil he needed to keep the war going.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Nope.
Hitler realised that the Soviets had amassed a colossal war machine that was being positioned to attack him.
Operation Bardarossa was a premeptive strike.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

And the purpose of Russia attacking Germany would be?……….

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

To conquer Germany and incorporate them into the Soviet Union, just as the USSR conquered other nations and absorbed them.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

My understanding is the only country the USSR invaded was Poland, along with Germany in 1939.

Then in 1941 Germany attacked Russia.

It wasn’t until Yalta in 1944 that the USSR made territorial agreements with the allies.

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MrTea
MrTea
2 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You might like to learn about the Winter war where the USSR invaded Finland in 1939.

Have you ever wondered why the UK and France etc declared war on Germany after they had invaded Poland but did not declare war on the USSR when they invaded Poland a few weeks later?
Have you ever wondered why the UK and France would not declare war on the USSR after they invaded Finland a few months after they invaded Poland.
Why were the Allies completely at ease with the Soviets attacking European nations?

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

“the oil he needed to keep the war going.”

Exactly what war did he need to keep going in June 1941?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

The one he started on the 1st September 1939.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I’m beginning to wonder whether Mr. Tea who claims that the Holocaust never happened and Nearhorburian who I seem to recall, claimed that there never was a moon landing, are on this site posing as sceptics for a reason – that of discrediting the rest of us.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
2 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Yes, Hitler learned a lot from Marxism and copied the methods of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The Nazis had a Muslim SS Division.

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MrTea
MrTea
2 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Yes they did, they also had Indian troops and pretty much every European nation had troops fighting for the GermanNational Socialists.
The last division left defending Berlin consisted mainly of French troops.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
2 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

No, the Nazis were the ultimate in cancel culture.

Wokeism is from German philosophy, as is Communism.

Hitler was Islam’s favourite infidel too.

National Socialism and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics are equally evil, both coming from Kant, Hegel and Marx.

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MrTea
MrTea
2 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

‘Wokeism is from German philosophy, as is Communism’

There was me thinking Marxism was the product of the Jew Karl Marx and Engels.

Wokism is the product of the French post modern thinkers, if thinkers is the right word.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
2 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

No, wokeism, being Marxist is German philosophy, derived from Kant and Hegel.

Marx was a notorious antisemite too.

Marx was German, his philosophy German in essence.

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Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
3 years ago

E= MC^2
E= PT

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Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
3 years ago

I have no particular affection for any group, even if they have been sorely treated. I don’t know why anyone cares. We are all scumbags and we all get treated as such one way or another.I would say to anyone, forget race or religion issues because we won’t have those
luxuries anymore.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Back away from the glass Hombre, slowly.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

Nonsense: multiculturalism is a luxury.

When things get hard people will be choosing sides.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

I’m not on yours.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

‘We are all scumbags’

Speak for yourself.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Thank you.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

C of E? Total waste of time space and energy – hollowed out and wasted from within by atheist termites in Marxist Frocks!

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

There are a great many of us in the C of E who are not atheists.

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Jessica
Jessica
3 years ago

The irony of the CofE to castigate a black trainee priest for challenging the idea that the church is institutionally racist is incredible. The church’s ecclesiastical authorities have fallen down Alice’s rabbit hole to a place of sheer insanity. They no longer represent anything that looks even remotely like genuine Christianity. Time to stop calling it a “Church.” Welby was chosen by David Cameron. Says it all.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Jessica

The Church of England isn’t Justin Welby.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

Wouldn’t Dick Emery have slotted in to the picture accompanying this article so well? Huge mouth filled with glowing white nashers, vicar’s collar, helping to offset all the dark faces.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Truly brilliant.
Welby ‘Shut up brown chap, how dare you tell me that I’m not racist, now fawk off’.

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godders
godders
3 years ago

Alternatively, they could just hitch a ride on the trans bandwaggon and come out as black.

Last edited 3 years ago by godders
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imp66
imp66
3 years ago

These self ordained f*ckers are so irrelevant who cares what they think or do?

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