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iVerify – the UN’s Sinister New Tool for Combatting ‘Misinformation’

by Stavroula Pabst
29 July 2023 7:15 PM

The United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) has quietly announced the rollout of an automated anti-disinformation tool, iVerify, this spring. The instrument, initially created to support election integrity, centres a multi-stakeholder approach spanning the public and private sectors to “provide national actors with a support package to enhance identification, monitoring and response capacity to threats to information integrity”.

The UNDP demonstrates how iVerify works in a short video, where anyone can send articles to iVerify’s team of local “highly-trained” fact-checkers to determine if “an article is true or not”. The tool also uses machine learning to prevent duplicate article checks, and monitors social media for “toxic” content which can then be sent to “verification” teams of fact-checkers to evaluate, making it a tool with both automated and human-facilitated elements.

On its website, the UNDP makes a blunt case for iVerify as an instrument against “information pollution”, which they describe as an “overabundance” of harmful, useless or otherwise misleading information that blunts “citizens’ capacity to make informed decisions”. Identifying information pollution as an issue of urgency, the UNDP claims that “misinformation, disinformation and hate speech threaten peace and security, disproportionately affecting those who are already vulnerable”. 

Misinformation, disinformation & hate speech threaten peace & security, disproportionately affecting those who are already vulnerable.

iVerify is our automated fact-checking tool that can help identify false information & prevent its spread.#NoToHate https://t.co/ura33T718V pic.twitter.com/VJzj9VxNUo

— UN Development (@UNDP) June 18, 2023

But, behind this rhetoric of fact-checking expertise and protecting society’s most marginalised, iVerify, as a tool functionally claiming an ability to separate the true from the false, actually provides governments, adjacent institutions, and the global elite an opportunity for unprecedented dismissal, and perhaps thus subsequent censorship, of dissenting perspectives and inconvenient information and reporting, all behind the pedigree of a UN institution with international reach.

iVerify and the Advance of an International Anti-Disinformation Complex

In recent years, the fact-checking industry has exploded, manifesting in the forms of often partisan, or otherwise compromised, fact-checking and anti-disinformation institutions and organisations. Examples include the government and Gates Foundation-funded Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD), the CIA-proxy National Endowment for Democracy (NED)-funded StopFake and internet trust rating-systems like NewsGuard, which partners with Microsoft and the U.S. Departments of Defence and State. By crystallising fact-checking and anti-disinformation operations’ place within the media sector and adjacent institutions and groups, such organisations’ work has ultimately paved the way for iVerify’s release.

In response to today’s fact-checking phenomenon, critiques and criticisms of the growing misinformation industries, which writer Michael Shellenberger describes as a “censorship industrial complex”, have grown in kind. Critics explain, for example, that no one person or organisation can claim unique ownership over or knowledge of the truth. And frequently, fact-checks boil down complex issues into matters of “true” and “false”, undermining the possibility for meaningful public debate about critical topics.

Perhaps anticipating these concerns, iVerify developers claim their instrument comes with a number of controls and safeguards to ensure its fact-checking processes are robust and do not inhibit civil liberties. In addition to guaranteeing “triple verification” of materials checked, and pairing fact-checking with the consultation of “all sides”, iVerify’s UNDP page clarifies that it will only debunk incorrect facts, not opinions.

The UNDP website also explains that “iVerify will only be deployed following an in-depth assessment to ensure the solution provided to a specific country will not be misused in ways that would undermine freedom of expression, freedom of the press or political and social rights”, though it provides little information as to how these pre-deployment assessments would be carried out.

While efforts to anticipate and combat possible problems with iVerify are laid out in advance, they fundamentally fail to address the power dynamics in play, where terms like disinformation and misinformation can be weaponised by the powerful to censor dissenting viewpoints and information conflicting with the narratives they disseminate. While iVerify’s decisions on articles and other information allegedly pass through a team of “highly-trained” fact-checkers and researchers, this is no guarantee that iVerify’s dictates will be consistent with the truth. After all, in the past fact-checkers have frequently spread incorrect information themselves, especially along partisan lines.

Unfortunately, as we shall see, iVerify’s funding and support sources, and myriad of ongoing projects in the Global South, all demonstrate that the tool has enormous potential to equip the powerful with an unprecedented ownership over the truth, with potentially severe ramifications for freedom of speech and critical journalism alike.

iVerify’s Fact-Checking Projects Proliferate in the Global South

For lay people trying to better understand current events, a UN-backed fact-checking tool may appear as a reputable resource. In reality, iVerify’s support sources and ongoing projects depict its work as part and parcel of elite goals for a restricted information environment, where anything labeled ‘disinformation’ could be quickly dismissed and disposed of.

First, iVerify’s partners listed on its website, including Meedan, Meta’s CrowdTangle, and the Poynter Institute’s International Fact-Checking Network, are groups whose funding and support sources suggest alignment with the U.S. and global elite. The Poynter Institute, for example, is funded by U.S. intelligence front the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). And Meedan, which apparently looks to tackle “crises of information trust” and create a “more equitable internet” through research, collaborations and partnerships with newsrooms, fact-checkers and civil society groups that help it “get out in front of new misinformation trends”, is supported by U.K. intelligence proxy Bellingcat, the Meta Journalism Project, and the Omidyar Group, which also has a history of funding CIA-cut outs and other regime change-driving organisations. 

While iVerify cannot be judged on associations alone, such influences and supporters’ intertwinement with the political class cannot be overlooked. As iVerify’s promotional messaging centres the utilisation of multi-stakeholder approaches to advance its cause, after all, it’s plausible, if not likely, that the elite-backed groups supporting or otherwise associating with iVerify are or will be directly involved in various aspects of its rollout.

More troubling, iVerify has already taken on extensive fact-checking projects in Honduras as well as in the African countries of Zambia, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Kenya, apparently using the Global South as a testing ground for the technology while simultaneously normalising an ‘anti-disinformation’ discourse favourable to the political elite internationally. 

Unsurprisingly, iVerify’s external fact-checking projects themselves are flush with Western cash, with Liberia’s Local Voices Liberia’s (LVL) Fact Checking Desk “co-financed by the European Union through the Liberia Media Initiative project led by Internews in Liberia”, where Internews is supported by groups like Google, the Omidyar Network, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Open Society Foundations. And Sierra Leone’s iVerify Sierra Leone is supported by BBC Media Action, also partnering with Canada, Iceland’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the EU. Zambia’s iVerify program, finally, includes backing from suspected CIA-front USAID, U.K. Aid Direct (UKAID) and a number of Western countries.

A visit to each of the iVerify project’s websites in the respective countries will find one with similar, simplistic articles, often rating certain claims, especially those propagating on social media, as “true”, “false”, or somewhere in-between, depending on the information available. In some cases, the sites themselves post misleading or oversimplified materials: one December 2022 article on Liberia’s iVerify website, for example, posits that COVID-19 shots stop transmission of COVID-19, even though research existing at time of publication had long before clarified their ability to stop Covid transmission in the months following injection was limited at best.

As iVerify’s monitoring and evaluation framework outlines, notably, iVerify has been piloted and used especially to monitor the sanctity of elections. iVerify claims its efforts can protect election integrity by debunking false claims about the electoral process, candidates and results, thereby keeping civilians properly informed about a key form of civil participation. But these apparent election information integrity efforts have an Achilles’ heel: it’s not hard to imagine a scenario where powerful, corrupt persons with access to or influence over the tool could manipulate iVerify’s election-related dictates and fact-checks to help them depict relevant voting processes and results in ways that help them maintain or obtain power.

While often covering more local topics and issues, iVerify’s projects in practice behave much like other Western-affilated and interconnected ‘anti-disinformation’ organisations and projects, like disinfowatch and EUvsDisinfo, which, as I note in previous reporting, all together “perhaps suggest… the development of a Western ‘anti-disinformation’ infrastructure or network that actually works to smear dissenting viewpoints and perspectives”. Further, as I’ve recently reported for Al Mayadeen, Western-backed media groups in other countries have a track record of influencing public opinion and policymaking processes and decisions, and even driving regime change. 

Ultimately, the collective circumstances force speculation as to whether iVerify and its adjacent programs could be used to influence editorial lines and public opinions, especially in ways favourable to the world’s power elite, in the Global South.

Information Warfare and the Attack on National Sovereignty

iVerify projects claim to strengthen democracy by providing people with access to correct information, therefore allowing and encouraging them to participate in public affairs in an informed, empowered manner. But, critically, iVerify’s elite-backing and its ongoing projects, and the overall poor track records of modern fact-checking organisations, instead all suggest iVerify’s fact-checking practices could ultimately benefit the political class’s bottom line.

More worrying, iVerify initiatives’ messaging centres and upholds multi-stakeholder partnerships, which fuse the efforts of public, private and other adjacent international and non-governmental structures, as key to its execution and success. But instead of promoting democracy as it claims, iVerify thus appears as a fact-checking system that supersedes governmental structures ala the public-private partnership model that has crystallised as a common civil society instrument in recent years.

On an international scale, this same public-private partnership model, as elucidated by writer and journalist Iain Davis, threatens to erode the remnants of Westphalian national sovereignty by allotting roles and infrastructure once held by governments to corporations, NGOs and other adjacent organisations that are ultimately unaccountable to the public.

While a unique opportunity for the elite to package and push their own doctrines as true, it’s not hard to imagine that iVerify could threaten sovereign nations’ policy choices and perspectives by smearing them as ‘misinformed’, and therefore perhaps even depicting them as dangerous to their populations. And, as an initiative existing across a variety of stakeholders and international organisations, iVerify largely exists outside governments’ policymaking processes and structures, making it an entity difficult for governments to regulate, challenge or hold accountable.

Through its UN-backing and appearance of ownership over the truth, in other words, iVerify’s potential to undermine nation-states’ integrity and sovereignty is unprecedented.

Conclusion

Ultimately, today’s manifestation of fact-checking efforts, such as UNDP’s semi-automated iVerify, have largely been led, funded or otherwise co-opted by the power-elite. The resulting and toxic information environment, where mere accusations of mis- or disinformation can themselves bludgeon reputations and careers, undermines possibilities for meaningful debate on complex, critical topics such as the international Covid response and the current war in Ukraine.

iVerify’s power lies in its supranational infrastructure and ability to determine truth as an apparent authority source. Unfortunately, its manufactured ownership over the truth can easily be weaponised towards mass censorship of materials harmful to the elite’s bottom line. If it becomes a prominent aspect of the already treacherous information environment, UNDP’s iVerify only promises to worsen matters while further threatening the (remaining) sovereignty of nation states everywhere. 

Stavroula Pabst is a writer, comedian, and media PhD student at the National and Kapodistrian University of Athens in Athens, Greece. Her writing has appeared in publications including Propaganda in Focus, Reductress, Unlimited Hangout and the Grayzone. This article first appeared in the Brownstone Institute.

Tags: Fact-checkersiVerifyMisinformationSurveillance StateUNDPUnited Nations Development Programme

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DodosArentDead
DodosArentDead
3 years ago

ICYMI: It’s not just UK paying farmers to retire – Dutch farmers are being enticed to sell “pig rights” for €700k – but never be able to raise pigs again.

This is the financialization of a basic human right (ability to provide for your family) – and is absolute bullcocks! But they will stop at nothing, including bribery, to achieve their #PostAnimalEconomy

#WarOnMeat 

FULL REPORT: 
https://www.iceagefarmer.com/2021/03/27/criminalization-of-raising-animals-dutch-sell-pig-rights/

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

And we pay for the madness.

The money governments spend on these dystopian schemes is taken from us and then used against us.

We are funding our own destruction.

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DodosArentDead
DodosArentDead
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Exactly.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

This is exactly correct. We ourselves are funding our own destruction; net zero, mass immigration and now a pogrom on normal eating practices.

But we are addicted to big government, and that is an expensive habit.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Meanwhile Banks continue to block accounts for no reason and interfere with private banking transactions – ready for Digital banking when they will control everything you are allowed to spend your money on ( no meat of course!)

‘Wake up time’ is getting short!

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Dr Vernon Coleman reckons we have eight months – at most.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

That’s what he said last month – so we should be down to 7 by now.

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DodosArentDead
DodosArentDead
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Experts warn “Stop filling your bird feeders” to “help stop bird flu.”

This is as ridiculous as a mask — just programing to get fearful people to do things that promulgate the fear. “Wild animals are dirty and dangerous and the government told us NOT to feed them!”

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2022/04/bird-flu-outbreak-experts-warn-to-stop-filling-bird-feeders-now.html

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

They can duck off (😀).

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pjar
pjar
3 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

At least there’s some science behind it, I think? Birds tend to be ‘specialist’ feeders and encouraging multiple species to visit the same feeder is surely likely to increase the possibility of transfer of the disease, particularly now the migrants are arriving? Bird flu is rampant in Europe apparently, to the extent that a local shoot that usually sources birds from Italy has had trouble getting any…

I’ve heard that waterfowl are particularly suspect as ‘carriers’ for some reason, though I’ve never had a goose on my window feeder!

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  pjar

“particularly now the migrants are arriving?”

I’ve never seen a swallow, martin or swift on my birdfeeders.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

Nor a Curlew.

The squirrels are keen though.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  pjar

How about stopping humans shopping in supermarkets? Humans are dirty and can spread Covid. Some of them are wild and dangerous (think: pikeys). Interesting how humans didn’t get the same treatment as cows and sheep and horses (don’t forget that little girl’s pony too!) got slaughtered and piled up into stacks, with petrol poured all over them and burnt, during Neil Ferguson’s Foot & Mouth ‘computer modelling cock up’.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

I am reminded of my father telling me during the war they cut down metal railings to donate the steel for the war effort, much of it scrapped. All propaganda to drive the point home. To continue the narrative as we’d say now. You still occasionally see Georgian properties with amputated stumps at the front where I live.

What a farce of a world. How do such simple acts mesmerize so many?

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

I’m not addicted to big government. I am an anarchist. I sincerely believe we would be better off with no government at all.

How many problems in your life are NOT caused by government?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

It is now a ‘war on meat’ now backed by the Loony Johnson Family Values coming from Number 10 – extremist of all colours and genders are taking over the policies of this country with the backing of Billionaire wealth and the support of our “elected” Emergency Powers Government !

The vast majority of the population oppose the nonsense – but no longer count – in fact they are the target of the policies!

It is time the found a voice!

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Sizzle, sizzle….

bacon.jpg
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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

When you control access to food, you don’t need dangerous vaccines, bullets or any other war type machinery….just food, or a lack of it.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

Our prosperity is built on oil, fertilisers, freedom, things that educated elites and their cheerleaders have forgotten about and frown up because they’re too clever for their own good.

Last edited 3 years ago by stewart
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DodosArentDead
DodosArentDead
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Not too clever so much as ‘too bought!’

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bfbf334
bfbf334
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Deliberate destruction just like the (depopulation) poisonations

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

… because they know, like the Party faithful in the USSR, it’s the Proletariat that will go without, not them.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Some have been educated beyond their wits, but more than a few are just corrupt.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They are not clever at all.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
3 years ago

“On the face of it, a push to organic farming would be seen as laudable, given concerns over the use of chemical fertilisers.”

You can lead a Guardian journo to water, but you can’t make it think.

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Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
3 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

So you think relying on Mr GloboCap, the Banksters and Bill Gates is the solution?

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Iain McCausland

Bill Gates fans are out in force today…

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

An outstanding example of stupid politicians meddling in things they don’t understand.

Mao would have been proud.

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

BoJo the hut is.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

The politicians aren’t meddling, they are doing what they’ve been told to do by Globocrap.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

The problem here is yet another example of the drive towards arguments that are massively oversimplified into good vs bad. We see it everywhere now — Ukraine is definitively good, Russia worse than the Nazis; covid vaccines are good, those arguing against them literally killing grannie; electric cars good, fossil fuel cars causing climate destruction; paper bags good, plastic bags suffocating the Pacific; etc etc.

The reality is always complex and there’s nearly always a ‘pragmatic best’ solution that would be a far superior solution — but that’s complicated (for politicians to understand) and doesn’t offer the best opportunities for big industry (usually the financial industry) to take yet another generous slice of power and cash from the masses.

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

There are no solution, just trade-offs. Plastic bags prevent food waste, save money, more hygienic, more durable, more convenient, offends all the right nitwits… trade off – litter, poor fishy-dishy.

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Horse With No Name
Horse With No Name
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

This is so very true.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Thomas Sowell is especially good on this point. That’s why someone else’s grand vision often fails. Visions don’t work because life is about trade offs.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Thomas Sowell should be required reading for every politician (I’m sure audio books could be provided for those who would struggle to read a book), as well as every journalist.

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

The Thomas Sowell reader has plenty of short pieces. But they’d find it uncomfortable reading. As he often says, his family and others like them, poor uneducated blacks from southern states who could barely read and write, managed collectively to make plenty of sensible decisions and choices. No big government needed.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Plastic is poison, same as gene therapy drugs.

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oblong
oblong
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Seems like a good idea to me but bad timing and poor support for its implication. Many nations are going to struggle to pay the huge increases in prices for modern fertilizer. A 19% réduction here might not be too bad. Relatively

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  oblong

Exactly, good ideas implemented badly. But the editors of DS want to push its stupid readership, as usual, to a simpler version “the idea has been tried, a-ha, it doesn’t work! like we foretold it wouldn’t! because we are smart and they are dumb – so never try this again”. This in summary is the (fake and contrived) “sceptical” way of thinking around here.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Yes, sceptical my foot. Complain about Pfizer’s gene therapy drugs but put your faith in those nice people in the pesticide industry? I despair!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  oblong

All that potash going through Belarus and Lithuania from Russia that’s been disrupted. Is balsitic rock dust and real food really such a bad idea now I wonder?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I thought the self- proclaimed Azov Nazis were fighting for Ukraine?

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yes, I can’t help but notice that this very site is a major promoter of such simpleton black-white thinking. For example, this article.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

Worth repeating a comment on the Adam Smith article in full:

Not to worry, I’m sure at this very moment keyboards are being fired up all around the world explaining how this wasn’t “real” organic farming and therefore it is not the fault of everybody who was advocating it.

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bfbf334
bfbf334
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Such is the truth.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Yeah, that comment is comparing advocates of organic faming to communist apologists, in the same way that those of us who think AGW is nonsense are compared to Holocaust Deniers. It’s a cheap shot at best, designed to poison any argument in favour of organic farming before the argument is made.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Having seen how it actually works, what argument would you make in favour of it?

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

There was a time, when I worked in a Russell Group University’s Dept. of Agricultural Economics, that I thought organic farming was a fad and just produced expensive food. Now, many years later, I’ve changed my mind.

It’s true that agrochemicals will produce greater yields, but at the cost of produce that is often nutritionally poor. As an example, we all need magnesium and any nutritionist will tell you that you’ve no need to buy a supplement just eat your spinach. But spinach grown in a soil that is depleted of minerals will not have the same nutritional value as spinach that is organically grown, so if you aren’t going to eat organically grown spinach then maybe you will need to supplement.  

Monsanto (now owned by Bayer) for example, the maker of glyphosate containing ‘Roundup’, isn’t more ethical than Pfizer. Both companies push products that are harmful simply to make a profit with little or no understanding of the long term consequences to our health or to the health of the ecosystem.

I could go on, but this is a comments section, not a place to write an in-depth argument explaining why organically produced meat and vegetables are healthier than produce that is dependent of agrochemicals. The only drawbacks that I see are the price and the yield, which will be higher and lower respectively.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

‘Organic’ is a daft name for ‘organic produce’ as all food is organic.
‘Organic produce’ can also be grown in soils devoid of certain minerals, so you don’t necessarily get ‘all you need’ from them.
A beetroot grown in North Devon might be ‘better’ than one grown in Dorset… all depends on what kind of soil they’ve grown up in.
Nutrition is a complicated subject and few of us know what we’re really eating.
Not to mention vegetables grown in southern Finland which are slightly radioactive from the radium gas being given off by the ‘young’ granites below the soil.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Emerald Fox is a daft name, too, but what can I do about it?

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Spot on. “Organic” at most tells you what’s not in produce, not what is in it. It comes with no guarantees of sustainability, or of healing Gaia.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

We need good soil. Balsitic rock dust appears to mineralise the soil. What’s wrong with that?

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

The pesticides aren’t organic.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

What does “organic farming” have to do with soil depletion?

I “quote” it, because as far as I can tell, “organic” in the UK means no GMOs, no kryptonite, and some very wibbly wording about “natural or naturally-derived substances” and “low solubility mineral fertilisers”.

I can’t see anything that would prevent soil depletion, other than faith that “organic” and “all practices that I agree with” are synonymous.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

You don’t need faith in order to understand that farming without the use of agrochemicals is how farming has been done for thousands of years. It’s called ‘organic’ farming (and I realise you are hung up on the word ‘organic’ for some reason so we’ll use the word ‘traditional’ instead) as opposed to farming using recently developed chemical products e.g. herbicides like glyphosate or insecticides like DDT. If you actually understood anything about farming you would know that farming with the use of agrochemicals depletes the soil of nutrients – even the agrochemical companies don’t dispute that. You’re digging yourself a hole. Why aren’t you as sceptical about the agrochemical business as you are about Big Pharma? I would suggest that your objections are political rather than evidence based.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Wasn’t there something called the Norfolk four course rotation? Fallow fields? There must be plenty of ways of ensuring good soil, and thus no more lockdowns.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Ask any allotment holder. I did this for very many years

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Hmm, Magnesium was one of the supplements recommended by the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service to protect against viral infection. Yet people want mineral deficient food. Enjoying their locjkdowns, are they?
Oh, and have an uptick. Great post.

Last edited 3 years ago by Hugh
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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Landsakes, suddenly banning anything else is not what advocates of organic farming were advocating. Most of these politicians are clueless anyway, if Britain is anything to go by.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

State planning is common to both, the comparison is correct

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

State planning has nothing to do with the fact that agrochemicals deplete the soil, produce less nutritional food and pollute the ecosystem.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

On the contrary, such self-defeating policy is only possible with state planning, which makes economic calculation impossible.

No farmer, unless he wanted to go out of business, would implement such a policy but state planning, as it always does, results in mass starvation.

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

And… enough wasn’t spent on it; it didn’t have enough time to work; more effort should have been put in it; Big Industrial Farming undermined it.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Good old Big Industrial farming, with their nice pesticide and fungicide and herbicide industries, who are so much better than big pharma and their sodding lockdowns. Please…\!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

As we know “real organic farming” has never been tried. It was corrupted last time by the capitalists. Or was it the fascists?

Next time round proper people’s farming will work. You’ll see, comrade.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

It has, for thousands of years. What hasn’t been tried until very recently, is farming with novel agrochemicals. But I’m sure Monsanto and the rest, like Pfizer and the rest, have only our best interest at heart. Who needs an immune system when you’ve got Comirnaty, or a heathy crop when you’ve got glyphosate, brought to you by Monsanto the makers of DDT?

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Until recently we hadn’t tried chlorinating water either.

Or experimented with having 7.9 billion humans, and rapidly rising.

Soylent Green is better than nothing, which is (effectively) what you get from faith based agriculture.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Faith based agriculture? Seriously? I would have thought, given the many thousands of years man has farmed organically, that organic farming is evidence based.

How do you feel about water fluoridation?

In what way is a world population of 7.9 billion an experiment?

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Indeed, population increase has been going on for a long time. And let’s have it right, living standards increased massively in the 20th century (until population control started to take its toll around 1999).

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Evidence-based farming doesn’t result in starvation.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Evidence based anything doesn’t result in starvation (assuming you have good intentions).

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Correct, that is why the resulting starvation from this policy shows it was the exact opposite of evidence-based.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Chlorine is poison, 79 billion people would be a good thing (but not as good as 100 billion).
“I’m afraid of babies!”. God coming to Earth as a baby wouldn’t work these days, would it…

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Yes.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Are you serious!!!

Have you seen the film?

If not I suggest you watch it.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

That’s right it certainly won’t be real organic farming.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

No Gates’ Mealy Worms are probably genetically modified. Or perhaps you will be – to make you like them! Yum, Yum!

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Gates’ plan for synthetic meat isn’t what I’d call organic farming. Still if that’s what some of the ‘sceptics’ on this site want, so be it.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

it’ll be dodgy government.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Shifting over to regenerative farming practices including organic looks to me like a preferable option for the future but it has to be phased in over years you can’t just do it overnight.
Getting rid of pesticides and herbicides has to be a good thing as humans consuming these toxins is known to cause numerous health issues including cancers.
One thing the globalists won’t like is that regenerative farming involves using lots of animals to graze the land and then poop on it to restore the soils, and there only thing you can do with animals is eat them.

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Our ancestors had what you suggest, so why did they change. People in poor Countries have what you suggest, so why do they want to change.

‘pesticides and herbicides has to be a good thing as humans consuming these toxins is known to cause numerous health issues including cancers.’

Then why aren’t we all dead?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Then why aren’t we all dead?

Absolutely. The life expectancy in the western world has improved substantially over the last 100 years whilst we have all been eating intensively farmed products.

Malnutrition and rickets were the conditions of choice then, now its obesity. How did that happen when the food we are consuming is all poisoned?

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Yes life expectancy has increased, but could it have increased further and could our lives be healthier if we were not consuming toxic pesticides and hebicides?
Food is only a part of the improvements we have seen over recent decades, proper sanitation has made a colossal difference, organised household waste disposal, less damaging medical practices, better regulation of industrial processes to eliminate toxic pollutants, moving away from the use of toxins like lead in paint and petrol etc, stopping the use of DDT, stopping the use of asbestos, the list is long.

Ironically the global warming nutters screech about too much warmth yet the increasing co2 content of the atmosphere and the slight increase in temperature over the last 150 years has helped improve crop yields.

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NeilParkin
NeilParkin
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

We now produce 60% more food from the same acreage as we did 50 years ago. Global population is going to top out around 8bn. We can easily feed everyone with meat, grain or dairy. Educate women, brings down the birth-rate. Economic Development encourages better use of natural resources. We can easily afford running water and toilets. Plumbers save more lives than Doctors, indeed. We are actually close to a sustainable world better than anything we have so far achieved, and the West is determined to run an ideology that breaks it from top to bottom.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Spot on and that’s my take on this madness.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilParkin

Educate omen in what?
Increase the birth rate! There are plenty of resources in the world if they are used properly. There has been a deliberate policy to decrease British farming produce, and it is an utter disgrace!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

should read “women”…

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Yes life expectancy has increased, but could it have increased further and could our lives be healthier if we were not consuming toxic pesticides and hebicides?

Is that the same argument as ‘vaccinations’ for covid means victims got less sick?

Yes it is, and just as unjustifiable.Your list is long and largely inconsequential as the risks are largely gone and humanity mitigates risk incrementally. Not by turning the world upside down.

You just perpetuate he fear narrative.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The greening of planet Earth…

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Life expectancy in western countries has apparently been slowly declining over the past couple of decades or so.
Obesity can be the response to certain toxins (including some fats) which can’t be safely eliminated in the short term.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

That’s especially in the UK and USA, I think since the GFC 2008. These countries are examples of extreme inequality.

So far, no evidence of a decline in say Japan, Sweden, Switzerland or Italy and I think their lifespan continues to increase slowly.

The lower obesity levels for Sweden, Switzerland or Italy compared to UK are extraordinary. Surely we’re all ‘Caucasians’? Yet they’re slim and we’re often ‘less slim’.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Rickets is caused by a lack of vitamin D3 which is why it became endemic in newly industrialised countries of the 9th century.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Erratum: 19th Century.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Though saying that, the so-called “Neanderthals” apparently had severe rickets. Miners?

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

And historically, the investigation into the cause of “Rickets” led to the discovery of vitamin D in the last century.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

lot of limeys… 🙂

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Malnutrition/rickets were probably caused from poverty, rather than the ‘organic produce’ people used to— err… produce. The inability to be able to afford good food.
Anyway, first you have to find soil that contains everything that’s needed for plants to thrive on, and that has everything humans need too, and then you need to be able to keep the birds, slugs and fungus off.
I’m all for ‘natural produce’ – but when you’re on the dole/social security you have to buy what you can afford. All that money for the ‘Covid vaccines’ and not enough money to see the nation can eat properly/healthily.

As for depopulation, it would seem that there are too many people on the planet. Fewer people and more/sufficient for those that remain looks like one answer. Along with proper incentives to study and work.

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Japan’s rate of de-population looks manageable. Its all-time peak was in about 2010.

Given that we live on a finite planet, though, it’s a pity that everyone didn’t read ‘The Population Bomb’ (1968) and have somewhat smaller families … e.g. 1.5-2.0 children per couple.

If we had done, the world now might have 4-5 billion not 7.5-8 bn people. Translation: less pressure on resources, especially oil and no excuse for nutters to propose euthanising half the planet’s population.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Wow the sceptics on this site are beginning to sound more like Bill Gates with every post. The Earth can easily support a population of 8 billion or above, but ‘depopulation’ is the in thing it seems. It reminds me of the end of Animal Farm where you couldn’t tell the pigs from the farmers.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

No words.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Should read Mark Steyn’s population book, and Tomorrow’s People. The demographic crisis is an ageing population, and it would be even worse without large families.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Too few people. Living standards increased with increasing population through the 20th century but have started to decrease with the demographic crisis of an ageing population,

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Population increase has been great, hasn’t it?

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

‘Our ancestors had what you suggest, so why did they change.’
Farmers changed because government told them to change and offered them subsidy if they did as they were told.
I am not disputing that artificial fertilizer can boost crop growth but I think that it can be done in a better way that is more natural and does not rely on petrochemicals (made in Russia).

‘Then why aren’t we all dead?’
Many people are dead and dying from the various chemicals we have sprayed on foods over the years.
For example Bayer has agreed to pay £10bn in compensation to people that developed cancer as a result of their product Roundup. After years of denying that their product was cancer causing they now admit it, strangely roundup is used by close to every conventional farmer in the world.
I can’t help but wonder how many other people have had/will have cancer but will simply not realise it was down to the roundup they have been exposed to.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53174513

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Kurt Zumas Cat
Kurt Zumas Cat
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I agree with your main points, but it seems the crux of the matter has been missed by many on here: increasing yields due to fertiliser etc. has a number of undesirable impacts such as:

  1. In the long run it’s unsustainable (because eventually fertiliser sources can be tied up, as we see now, and hence the population increase it causes can’t support itself in case of supply collapse, especially if a certain country controls imports)
  2. In the long run it’s unsustainable (because the groundwater becomes polluted with N and P and eutrophication is not a good thing…)

now I know technically that’s one point but it seems important enough to stress it .

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

‘Then why aren’t we all dead?’



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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Lots of people dying from cancer, didn’t you know? And the health benefits of the rationing years are starting to be reversed. Go and read up on the Hunzas when they were originally discovered. That’s what we should aspire to. Read up on cancer free peoples, and Western diseases.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Animals are a vital component of the organic farming circle – have been for thousands of years.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

If we don’t fertilise we will not be able to grow crops. If chemically derived fertilisers are not available we will have to use animal so slaughtering our herds is counterproductive.

And then I suspect we will need a massive increase in the science of organic farming and on present outpourings that is not available.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Norfolk four course rotation

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

It’s the “Sudden [and wholesale] Shift to Organic Farming” that’s the problem, not organic farming itself. There’s no doubt that foods produced by organic farming are healthier than those produced using agrochemicals, but whether they can be produced in the same quantities is another matter. Tim Worstall’s comment is a a tad disingenuous.

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bfbf334
bfbf334
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

 “a tad disingenuous” to say the VERY least.

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

‘There’s no doubt that foods produced by organic farming are healthier…’

There’s no proof.

And these claims are nonsensical.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Why do you say that there’s no proof? Have you scoured the literature and found nothing that supports the claim that organically grown crops and livestock are nutritionally richer than crops raised using agrochemicals? Can you perhaps link to a meta analysis that supports what you say? I’d be interested in having a look.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Read Phillip Day…

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Arum
Arum
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Luckily for those of us who can’t afford to eat organic, evidence for the nutritional differences between organic and conventional foods is mixed, to say the least. Some organic methods such as use of – organic – fertilisers rather than inorganic, can bring environmental benefits, for example, in soil conservation.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

So can good farming practices.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Arum

I’m an OAP and I buy organic produce. Take a look at this: https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-its-time-to-stop-punishing-our-soils-with-fertilizers-and-chemicals

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

If you consider ‘healthier’ to be smaller, far costlier, with far less productive crop per acre, sprayed with ‘organic’ pesticides which are every bit as toxic as manufactured products, then you have a weird perception of ‘healthier’.

The average age of the industrialised western world has improved over the last 100 years whilst people have been consuming products treated with manufactured pesticides and herbicides, so where’s the evidence of harm?

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

The average age of the industrialised western world has improved over the last 100 years whilst people have been consuming products treated with manufactured pesticides and herbicides, so where’s the evidence of harm?

Someone who’s convinced that there is harm will have some statistic showing that he’s right. As always.

I suggest a different angle: Can we do without industrial-scale food mass production? If so, and that we could do until into the 20th century suggest we can, we should. The 20th was the American century. It’s time that we sort through the changes and decide which are actually worth keeping. 995.95 different genders (plus another 2.832 on all even-numbered days of a month) and a new cult of the original sin based on falsified and intentionally misintepreted history are certainly not among them.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Can we do without industrial-scale food mass production?

No. Unless you can demonstrate a version so far not demonstrated.

If so, and that we could do until into the 20th century suggest we can,

Where is this “suggested”?

…we should

Why? Perhaps Mao might be your preferred reading, that central control murdered at minimum 60M people.

Haven’t you people yet learned from history that free market agriculture is the future of humanity?

The next time it’s controlled by central government, and it’s coming thanks to green nutter and organic fools, billions will die this time.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

For goodness sake, what’s murderer Mao got to do with a discussion on organic farming?
Land which could be used for good farming is not being utilised for all sorts of reasons, and I’ve suggested before that there are enough resources in the world for about one million times the current population, theoretically. Absolutely 8 billion, or for that matter 80 billion people could be fed with healthy farming. It would be a long process from where we are certainly, and the Sri Lanka business (like so many ill considered government interventions) was clearly ill conceived. I’ve said elsewhere that governments should have a minister for unintended consequences, and this is a classic example. One that I like to reference was the banning of a certain pesticide as “harmful”, and it turned out that farmers started using an even more harmful one instead that hadn’t been banned. Still, I maintain that there is absolutely a role for the farming I outlined below, (which I described as “healthy” and you described as “elitist”) as long as it is not badly handled by idiot governments like the Sri Lankan one.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

……and I’ve suggested before that there are enough resources in the world for about one million times the current population, theoretically.

Suggestions and theory is why the world is running out of energy right now.

Don’t be a dickhead all your life.

I’ve said elsewhere that governments should have a minister for unintended consequences,

Great. Yet another government intervention.

Don’t you get it? We need less government, not more.

Every time morons like you call for more government intervention, the tighter the authoritarian noose becomes?

Too thick, you are just too desperately thick to even debate.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Bill Gates.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

And besides, it is undeniable that during the rationing years, when people grew a lot of their own food, health improved.

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

No by healthier I mean precisely that, healthier. I’m happy for you to argue against any claim I make here, but I’d rather you didn’t straw man me. I’ve said elsewhere in this comments section that organically grown grown crops are likely to produce smaller yields and to be more expensive.

If you want to talk about increased life expectancy you need to perform a multi-variate analysis. Include thinks like clean water, efficient sanitation, better housing etc.

Where’s the evidence of harm? Seriously? Do you think Bayer paying £8.8bn to settle cancer claims linked to its Roundup weed killer isn’t an indication that some agrochemicals might not be as harmless as sparkling mineral water?

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Utter bollox. You’re a fake and a fantasist.

Your multi-variate analysis collapses without the nutrition required to demand clean water and efficient sanitation.

Maslow’s hierarchy of needs places them on the same fundamental level of requirements. Without one, one doesn’t have the other.

Do you think Bayer paying £8.8bn to settle cancer claims linked to its Roundup weed killer isn’t an indication that some agrochemicals might not be as harmless as sparkling mineral water?

The most puerile argument one could bring to a debate. 100 years of human progress and you boil it down to all the health issues derived from a single issue.

Pants. You would not be here were it not for agro science. We would all have life expectancy in the 50’s rather than the 80’s.

Absolute bullshit condemnation of an industry that has brought untold benefits to mankind.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Bill Gates.

N.B. U would not be here if it weren’t for Adolph Hitler. Fact.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Should read “I”!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I bally told you, Straloch farm was getting a pretty decent yield without toxic muck. You’re not making much sense tonight. Been at the chemicals perchance?
(Not that I could blame you with these big agrculture induced lockdowns…).

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

I understand that starvation comes with a few health hazards.

Still, I’m sure we’ll get it right next time.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Still, I’m sure we’ll get it right next time.

Oh, without a doubt. Lessons will be learned you see.😃

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

It does, so does obesity and DDT. Still, I’m sure Monsanto will produce a ‘safe and effective’ insecticide next time.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

DDT is still a commonly used insecticide in developing nations, with immense benefits to communities dying from mosquito borne infections.

But indoctrinated western idiots like you perpetuate the myth that Joni Mitchell was a visionary.

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago

Sudden shift to Net Zero plunges UK into worst economic crisis since 1066.

When fantasy and reality collide, reality always wins.

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Hopeless - "TN,BN"
Hopeless - "TN,BN"
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

Along with this agricultural disaster in Sri Lanka, their economy is going down the pan as well. They’ve decided to default on foreign/external debts, possibly as much as $51bn. That’s not going to help them purchase any fertilisers (or much else from outside), always assuming there are any to buy, which is doubtful, as they are in very short supply and rising daily in costs by astounding percentages.

I guess that, nowadays, it’s drearily inevitable that mainly politicians, but also other “establishment” figures like medics and scientists, have completely lost any ability to see beyond the end of their noses, or the bottoms of their pockets. We thus have a conveyor belt of Unintended Consequences, ranging from the Comic to the Catastrophic.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless - "TN,BN"

There are no Unintended Consequences here. The actions of the Sri Lankan government are clearly intentional.

The country defaults on loans, the farmers cannot produce enough food. I wonder what the outcome will be?

Ferkin hell. Not rocket science is it?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

The direction of travel, the meta-concept that ties all these initiatives together is to increase dependency on government and it’s agents. Welfare, jabs, furlough money, megafarming, central bank digital currency. Doesn’t matter what it is. They despise and fear thos who aim for resilience or independence in any form.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Vaxtastic

Precisely.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless - "TN,BN"

Will Irish families be taking in Sri Lankan refugees?

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Well, they’ve had practice with the “Ukrainian” ones 😉

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pjar
pjar
3 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless - "TN,BN"

According to my local farmer the price of fertiliser has gone from £75 a tonne to £750, to £1500… I doubt that Sri Lanka will be able to afford any of it. Inevitably it will knock on here too, of course, as it makes its way through the chain.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  pjar

Never mind, plenty of acorns come Autumn…

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Reading Rural Rides by William Cobbett, nothing has changed, ‘the price of cows was so low it was beyond belief and the pigs price of pigs was dirt cheap”, the politicians were still ripping off the public and more concerned with their global image than what was happening in their own country

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

All part of Agenda 2030 and more specifically depopulation.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

When 2030 arrives, I expect you’ll have shifted to ‘Agenda 2040’.

It’s always something in the future that’s coming – now that Jabs 2, 3 and 4 haven’t depopulated the world, we’ll label Jab 5 or Jab 9 as ‘The Killer Jab’. Can never be proved/disproved.

Whatever… when 2030 does arrive, there is no doubt we can look back and see what happened with Covid and the jabs.
If we’re still alive, of course.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Speaking of which, did you watch Mark Steyn last night on GB News?

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pjar
pjar
3 years ago

“Yet it was the sudden and obtuse manner in which the ban was introduced – imposed virtually overnight and with no prior warning or training – and the questionable motives behind it, that have left even organic farming advocates furious.”

Net Zero, anyone…?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  pjar

Plus depopulation agenda of course!

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago

“Organic” or “Chemical” another “Black or white” choice as if there’s no in between or nuance required.

Regenerative Agricuture is already working, on lots as big as 100k acres, but there’s a transition, it’s not a simple switch. See Elaine Inghams ‘soil food web’ or Johnson & Su

Well, yes, the organic farming advocates would be furious, wouldn’t
they? Imagine devoting your energies to an insistence upon a more land
hungry, less productive form of agriculture.

Except if it’s done properly, with the correct soil analysis, cover crops, and aerobically composted amendments (tea/extract/seed treatments) it can outperform “chemical” farming both in yeild, higher BRIX, and lower input costs within 4 years.

e.g. year 1 yeild lower by 6%, BRIX higher, input costs lower by $100 per acre.
year 4 yeild higher by 2% BRIX higher, input costs lower by $240 per acre

There’s no ‘one size fits all’ solution, it starts with soil analysis (chemical and microscopy), cover cropping is VERY important (plant roots feed exodates to the soil microbiology), it needs drilling as soon as the crop is off, potash and phos can usually be dropped straight away (there’s usually enough just not available to plants, microbiology makes it available), then it’s about adding the correct microbiology in the soil, and finding the best logistic solution for a given farming opperation.

Mandating a ban on chemical ferts, without a huge educational drive to teach the transition at the same time, well, that’s just plain dumb.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Organic farming practices clearly don’t work.
Look at the Amish and Mennonites they all died out decades ago because they failed to spray big pharma chemicals all over everything and tart up the land with artifical fertilizer.
All those documentaries showing lush Amish farms generating beautiful looking produce along with their and large healthy families are just CGI.
Did I mention they all died out because they didn’t take vacines?
As everyone knows the only way to stay healthy is to take your vaccines and to farm using industrial chemicals.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

I can’t help feeling life isn’t all rosy in an Amish community.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

You are correct.
There was an incident where an angry Amish family cut off the beards of some Amish men they fell out with, so in truth the Amish are no better than the inhabitants of Chicago.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Basic economics.
Look at the inputs, how many Amish or Mennonites are required to farm.
That agrarian lifestyle requres the same proportion of people working the land as 1840’s UK.
Its doable, next question – is it desirable?
No doubt the Prince Chuckles of this world with their visions of a happy peasantry working the land desires this for the masses.

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
3 years ago

Seems to be plenty of money for face masks, judging from the photo at the top of this article.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

This is not a nice thing to say but I fear there could be another wave of immigration coming our way from our former colony Ceylon.

(Doubtless all part of the planning).

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Vaxtastic
Vaxtastic
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Perfectly reasonable thing to speculate on. We have plenty of Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Kashmiris.

Sri Lanka’s population is 21.5m in case that is useful.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Plastic’s good, innit?

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Horse With No Name
Horse With No Name
3 years ago

Reminded me of someone I know who eats nothing but organic food – will not eat anything that has chemical additives or has used chemical fertilizers. What I don’t understand about his stance on these food chemicals is that he didn’t seem to have a problem with the chemicals in the experimental mRNA vaccine that was being injected into his body not just once but three times. I saw him the other day in a supermarket loading up with organic fruits and vegetables reading the labels on all the food stuffs checking for chemicals and additives.

I dunno? Perhaps I’m missing something here?

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For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse With No Name

No, he is. A functioning brain.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse With No Name

Same as all of the sportsmen who are ‘careful’ what they put in their bodies but not about this experimental vaccine apparently

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse With No Name

From the comments I’ve read on here today, there are a few who rightly think that Pfizer is a criminal organisation pushing unsafe products, but who, at the same time, will defend Monsanto to the hilt and think nothing of consuming glyphosate.

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Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Weird, isn’t it?

They’re very clearly exactly the same kind of greedy vermin.

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
3 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

i know, i couldn’t believe it here of all places .thought maybe is april fools day again, organic consumers organization has lots of good information i found.

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
3 years ago
Reply to  sam s.j.

https://www.organicconsumers.org/usa

i got name wrong. and it is free speech union here which is so important , so is good to be able to say what think . freedom of speech which in the mainstream news is sure missing !

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Horse With No Name

Does he wear a mask too?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Obviously chemical fertilisers need to be phased out as part of a co-ordinated agricultural policy – the Globalists and Banks who are ultimately in charge, do not want this – they want a “Global food crisis’, which explains exactly what is going on.

The Billionaires and their stooges want a Global Food crisis and the chaos it will cause to help their ‘Great Reset’ along and Governments are helping them get their way – their i insanity is rampaging like a virus around the world infecting all with their obscene wealth which cancels basic morality.

Reminder Gate is said to be the largest individual land owner in the US.But he is not interested in farming.

Excellent farming land in the UK is to be covered with solar panels – which will provide rich returns for wealthy subsidised landowners but not enough electricity fo ‘make a difference ‘.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

‘but not enough electricity fo ‘make a difference ‘.

Or even to do ANYTHING.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago

I may lose whatever credibility I’ve got here but to me, one can equate big agriculture/chemical farming with big pharma. You feed the soil – which feeds the crops, breed (none GMO pest resistant crops) and encourage bio diversity which in turn can reduce pests/slugs etc.
Instead we have big agri interested only in profit. Watch this space for the litigation re Glyphosate – which is poisoning the soil – and us.

Basically the same as virus/bacteria solely cause sickness, therefore hunt down and kill the pathogen and all will be well. Lol.
The terrain/body is everything, the microbe is nothing – Pasteur belatedly acknowledging the wisdom of Bechamp on his deathbed.
Clearly in this case the government rushed things. One has to do this gradually.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

The question is: why didn’t the government do this gradually? A cynical person might believe that TPTB really do want a great many people to starve. Starving populations cause instability in regions, leading to greater chaos. The TPTB can then ride to the rescue with digital currency linked to rationing.

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DodosArentDead
DodosArentDead
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Also 100% correct.

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DodosArentDead
DodosArentDead
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

The food supply of the world is something that has been the subject of speculation and sensationalism.

If the food production of the world can be controlled then so can the world’s population.

The main focus of food control has been agriculture, with domination of the seed market being sought by five major companies since the mid-1990s.

Biotech companies Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer, Dow and DuPont – have bought up more than 200 other companies between them to dominate farmer’s access to seeds.

Monsanto in particular has been the subject of much criticism in the tactics it has used to try and dominate the market and keep prices high, also their involvement with governments and other corporations.

The ‘Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’ bought 500,000 shares in Monsanto in 2010 for more than $23 million. The foundation has been heavily criticised in the US and Africa for investing in a GM company that has a history of blatant disregard for the welfare of small farmers around the world.

The foundation has also invested $10 million in a project in Mozambique with partner Cargil, a giant in the agriculture world and known for aggressive tactics, use of slave labour, deforestation, and one of the largest palm oil traders in the world resulting in the destruction of natural habitats.

The ‘Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation’ also teamed up with the ‘Rockefeller Foundation’ to finance ‘The Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa’ (AGRA), headed by Kofi Annan. 

To read more visit:

https://drrichardday.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/genetically-modified-organisms-gmo-crops/

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  DodosArentDead

The Monsanto organisation partnered with the inventors of Golden Rice to deliver free seed to farmers with a turnover of below $10,000 per anum (at the time) royalty free. That represented all but a handful of farmers in developing nations getting free seed.

A few scientific studies have conspired to evangelically pursue a company that delivers $Bn’s of dollars of product, to billions of producers, who benefit billions of consumers, who are leading increasingly healthy lives.

The western health crisis is apparently obesity, but to get obese one has to eat too much Monsanto product!

FFS, get some perspective.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Very naiive.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Refute it then. Don’t make stupid comments.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Here’s another. Bill Gates.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Bill Gates

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John001
John001
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Goverment and industry haven’t seemed to want to do this. Regenerative farmers like Gabe Brown, Joel Salatin (both USA), Richard Perkins (Sweden) and others have been farming in a way that produces more (nutrient-dense) food and sequesters carbon in the soil. But it doesn’t make pesticide or herbicide manufacturers much profit at all, nor the producers of GM seeds (or artificial NPK fertilisers).

GM crops seem to be a disaster … slowly falling yields, according to the last few talks I watched. Dr Zach Bush is an interesting speaker on this and other topics…

https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/12/15/gmo-chemical-farming-and-the-loss-of-human-health-dr-zach-bush/

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  John001

Absolute bollox. If organic farming, or derivates thereof, produced more per acre than chemical farming, don’t we imaging farmers would be flocking to it?

The world has prospered nutritionally thanks to chemically farmed foods. You probably wouldn’t be here today were it not for them.

Can any organic nutter demonstrate 100 years of improved human nutrition, health and life expectancy over the past 100 years of human civilisation?

No!

Back in your organic box!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Bill Gates
A few other things been happening in “100 years”. And besides, look where we are now!

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ImpObs
ImpObs
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You don’t appear to have any knowledge of RegenAg RS, there’s plenty of examples outperforming chemical farming within the soil food web network.

If organic farming, or derivates thereof, produced more per acre than
chemical farming, don’t we imaging farmers would be flocking to it?

You’d think! It’s not a simple switch, fatrmers tend to do it after they see results of their neighbours, specially when they see the numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLkQJ75GfGY

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DodosArentDead
DodosArentDead
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

100% correct.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

Consider whether you have blown your credibility, I’m not one to judge.

Mankind has grubbed a living from the earth on a subsistence level for thousands of years.

Industrialisation pops up and along with crop fertilisation/insecticides and herbicides mankind’s life expectancy skyrockets within 100 years.

But today, suddenly, the anti science loonies think it’s a good idea to return to malnutrition, rickets, all sort of poxes, and increased mortality.

It would be really helpful if someone could convince me of the benefits of a backward society.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Bear with me and I’ll have a go at the benefits of healthy farming at least. I will be referring to Phillip Day books, and the Telegraph article from February 18, 2006 – “The answer lies in the soil… how a tract of barren highland was transformed into a fertile pasture – without use of chemicals”.

Whilst the Sri Lanka business was obviously mismanaged, I maintain there is a case for a rethink on farming.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Being that ‘science’ has been roundly condemned by no other than the Editor of the Lancet, kindly do not refer me to ‘science’ as a support mechanism for anything, far less organic farming. We also have ‘science’ supporting AGW and Covid!

There is at least 100 years of indisputable evidence that mankind has prospered from ‘chemical’ farming. A single book, or multiple books, or scientific papers on the matter cannot refute the observational evidence that chemical farming far outstrips organic farming in the progress of mankind.

It may not be perfect, but it’s a step in the right direction. Does your thinking on farming include regression to medieval subsistence farming?

Nutters, all of you. The invention of the plough was considered a crime against God.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

See my post and the pictures in the linked article. Looks a healthy harvest to me…
I object to dodgy chemicals in my food on the same grounds that I object to dodgy untested gene therapy drugs.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Right, I’ll start with the Tegraph story, featuring Cameron and Moira Thompson, of Straloch Farm, near Enochdhu. You will see why this may not be in the interests of the pesticides and GM people.

The linked article below, worth reading in full (to borrow a phrase) gives a detailed account of their work, but the quotes below, give an idea of what they are about.
Tribute to Remineralization Pioneer Cameron Thomson of the Seer Centre (1947-2019) – Remineralize the Earth

As such, Angus Horticulture Ltd., which marketed organically-approved products on behalf of Rockdust Ltd. (the trading arm of the SEER Centre Trust), eventually despatched their product to Wiksunds Tradgard — a farm shop and place for courses and events just outside Stockholm, and the general agent in Sweden for rock dust. Lars Angstrom, a member of the Swedish Parliament, and his wife, Katharina, who ran Wiksund Tradgard, recognized that soil remineralization could improve the quality, taste and nutritional value of crops, as well as improve pests and drought resistance and reduce synthetic fertilizer runoff

As Moira has said: “This is a simple solution which could help solve the twin problems of crop yield and climate change, and it doesn’t involve drastic life changes by anyone.”
In recent years, the rich soils Cameron and Moira have regenerated in an otherwise infertile Scottish landscape are capable of producing giant vegetables and a huge biodiversity, which in itself serves as a fitting tribute for Cameron.
 
 Produce that can be the basis for the reversal of human malnutrition and disease. Simultaneously, it can eliminate the “diseases” of the Earth: pollution, erosion, desertification, forest death-dying-burning, CO2 buildup, deteriorating climate, and more.

I shall also provide some information from the Telegraph article that gives additional details.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Predictably your article is drawn from a partisan publication.

And is the Telegraph not an MSM publication roundly condemned for its partisan support of the current narrative?

I’m happy to believe they were immensely successful at their venture however, it’s like maintaining that running a wind turbine, solar panels, batteries and a super insulated house built at exorbitant cost is a scaleable project.

It isn’t!

Scale is the factor here. Whilst running their organic farm in their region (which I know extremely well) with wealthy patrons buying their produce (I have yet to witness organic produce in Dartford market) they live in an alternative world.

Organic produce is a lovely idea but it’s beyond the means of most, just as heat pumps are a utopia beyond the means of most.

This isn’t clever farming, this is elitist farming.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

It’s healthy farming – see my comments! With plentiful labour (instead of the current mass killing of children) it would obviously become cheaper. I’m not suggesting it should be forcibly and universally introduced overnight, but it certainly may be usefully increased and followed where practicable. And it would be a far better use of time and resources than many things that people do. And I maintain that vested interests are a factor in pushing chemical farming.I haven’t got to the good bits yet…

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It’s healthy farming – see my comments! 

Define “healthy farming” you idiot!

That which starves the poor for want of chemical reliant farming that ‘might’ reduce their lives by 5 minutes.

Give me a fucking break!

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

With plentiful labour (instead of the current mass killing of children) it would obviously become cheaper. I’m not suggesting it should be forcibly and universally introduced overnight, but it certainly may be usefully increased and followed where practicable.

Do you even understand what you are suggesting here? It’s disgusting.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

As can be seen, their methods will not benefit Pfizer, GM or pesticide producers in the least, but would, I suggest, benefit the overall population if more widely adopted.
The Telegraph says of the Straloch Farm neat Pitlochry, “a less promising place to grow food would be hard to imagine”, and describes how “this land is exposed to the full might of the Scottish Winter. With many of its nutrients washed away, the soil has grown acid and sour.” But Moira Thompson’s farm has “made this sesert bloom again”. with “superb vegetables – large cabbages and onions” and “tomatoes, cucumbers, sweetcorn, squashes, courgettes and marrows” in their greenhouses and polytunnel.”

They have “created a fertile soil” and “proved that it’s good soil, not chemicals, that grows healthy crops”. They have done this “mixing the soil themselves” from “fine rock dust hauled from a nearby quarry [made from volcanic rock basalt] and green waste by Dundee City Council”, that produce “ideal conditions for healthy crop growth”, supplying “minerals that rainfall and chemical farming have stripped out of many soils”.with “compost providing organic matter for microbial activity”.

Most importantly, they “have shown that on a soil rich in minerals, and well endowed with organic matter, it’s possible to grow large, healthy crops without the arsenal of chemical fertilisers and pesticides used by commercial farmers today” (but as I say, will be less profitable to some).

The couple contend that “if soil minerals can produce a harvest like that high on a Scottish hillside, they will transform the health and yields of crops across the country”, leading to a “healthier, happier population”.

The couple say, “for years, people have dismissed us as cranks and loonies… bit it’s natures way and it works”. By theit fruits shall ye know them indeed. Naturally they would have suffered from what I would dub the dockleaf problem – pushing something useful, but hardly profitable, and we have seen a similar thing with the dismissal of concerns about untested “vaccines”, and tthe pushing of the gene therapy drugs rather than less profitable prevention of viral illness through vitamin D.

Right, I’ll get onto Phillip Day’s comments on the suject if I have time but his books are available here, and I would particularly recommend the first three on the present subject, though the site has much other interesting information.

Credence UK/Global store | (credenceonline.co.uk)

N.b. Phillip Day is a Christian who was recommended to me by a nun that I know. His newsletter also put me onto the OMNS and specifically this on vitamin D:

orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The Telegraph says

FFS….what planet are you on?

Don’t recite bullshit to me, regurgitated from marketing blurb. Explain it yourself.

Describe in your own words what this all means.

Two years of scientific bullshit from ‘experts’, ‘scientists’ and ‘politicians’ and you are still peddling their same old tripe.

We were told wind power is cheap. Not according to my bills!

Food must be affordable and accessible you moron, just like energy.

I don’t give a shit about Philip Day. The chickens are roosting mate. The world is in an energy crisis, and organic farming is not stepping up to a consequential impending food crisis, just like renewable energy didn’t step up to the energy crisis.

Grow up FFS!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Try actually addressing some of my points while I research the Phillip Day stuff. You might start with this one, and expand on your “prohibitive costs” theory By their fruits…

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Your points are pointless because they are idealistic.

Let’s all go organic is as moronic as let’s all go renewables.

Let’s all go Universal Income. Perfect in theory, dumb because history tells us so.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Onto Phillip Day.

“Organic versus commercial… another subject over which fatuous wars rage… Would you rather eat food which has been grown in minerally exhausted commercial soils, farmed year in and year out, where only the bare minimum of mineralization (fertiliser) is put back into the soil (usually nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium)?… Commercially grown produce will be drenched in fungicides, pesticides and larvicides to kill bugs because the crops in question because the crops in question are so sick they have no natural defences of their own so they get attacked. That’s the purpose of bugs: to attack and consume sick plants. And that’s the purpose of bugs in your body: to attack and consume sick tissue. Healthy plants can look after themselves, sick plants cannot… Healthy food makes healthy bodies, sick food doesn’t. (Food For Thought, Phillip Day, p31).

“Bad diet crashes immunity and makes you susceptible to disease. Eat food which is organic and know where it comes from.” (ibidem, p32).

David Avocado Wolfe: Health, Nutrition, Wellness And Personal Growth (davidwolfe.com)

(A website Phillip Day recommends on nutrtion etc. – including “5 hidden behaviours of a bully”!).

“Cancer patients would do very well to change their diets to as close to 100% organic plant-based foods, 100% uncooked as they can get.” (Cancer – Why We’re Still Dying To Know The Truth, Phillip Day, p151).

“The average apple sold off the supermarket shelf can test positive for chlorpyrifos,captan, iprodione, vinclozolin and is then sealed in wax for longer shelf life.These pesticides have variously caused birth defects, cancer, impaired immune response, fungal growth, DNA damage and disruption to the endocrine system”. (ibidem, p 248).

To be clear, Phillip Day is a strong supporter of nutritional therapy (which obviously big pharma don’t like), and a trenchant critic of the industrial-chemical complex.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Wonderful news!
Pfizer has just come out with its new mRNA based fertilizer, I’m sure only tinfoil hat nutters will decline.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

Why are they all wearing the stupid and pointless masks?

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
3 years ago

See link below to Ice Age Farmers chart of all the completly coincidental fires & accidents impacting the food supply chain.
Worth considering before arguing about the purity of Organic farming, when The Great Reset mob are clearly targeting conventional food production:

https://iceagefarmer.com/fire/

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

No point mate. They are all back to their sheepish ways.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Bill Gates

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago

People on a ‘sceptical’ site, drawn in by their personal fear of vaccinations, now revealing their true nature.

Organic food mentioned? They pour in with their virtue signalling about how environmentally cuddly they are.

Hundreds of billions of lives across western nations at least, during the last 100 years, improved beyond measure by fruit and vegetables alone, made readily available by intensive farming across the world.

Do they imagine their Avocado’s and New Potatoes are delivered to Tesco’s thanks to organic farming?

Not an effing chance. We would all be eating cabbages and turnips were it not for modern agricultural.

“Prawn cocktail for your Christmas starter dear?”

“No no luv, I’ll stick with me gruel cos its what me great grandpappy ate in the trenches when he contracted rickets”.

BTW, whatever happened to covid. “Oh! forget that, the MSM now tells us there’s another scare to focus on, the Ukraine crisis, then the food crisis. Covid nonsense is last weeks news.”

You have talked about it to the point of boredom for the last two years.

But up pop’s another ‘scamdemic’ and the whole lot of you return to the sheep you originally were before a few wolves led you into the light, momentarily.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Bill Gates

PS cabbages are great

PPS what u been drinkin tonight?!

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Pilla
Pilla
3 years ago

This is a very biassed over-simplification of the whole organic versus ordinary farming debate. I have been a member of the Soil Association and they say (and I believe them) that organic farming is really the only way forwards if we want to provide enough food for an ever-growing population. In addition, all those ‘wonderful’ chemical fertilisers are not only doing untold damage to wild life, but also to our bodies. I don’t know the circumstances and hadn’t heard of what happened in Sri Lanka, but obviously an overnight switch wouldn’t be a good idea, as farmers would need training in organic methods – but longterm it would have been a brilliant idea. Less bias in DS, please, in future!!! Perhaps tomorrow we can have an article from a pro-organic farming person!!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Pilla

Blimey, I do hope so…

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JohnK
JohnK
3 years ago
Reply to  Pilla

It is. As a current member of the Soil Association, albeit not an ‘activist’, it seems to me that they are rather quiet on this issue. Maybe it’s just difficult to achieve publication via the usual outputs.

What is happening ‘overnight’ is the change in prices for the farming trade, including artificial fertilisers – and energy costs for the whole lot.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

Potash?
And di we really have to screw over Belarus?

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Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
3 years ago

Blaming organic farming for what is going on in Sri Lanka is facile and asinine. To be independent of the global fertiliser and pesticide industry plus that GMO b.s. is exactly what Bill Gates (Guardian paymaster) and the Banksters don’t want – hence the manufactured chaos.

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Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
3 years ago

Blaming organic farming for the economic chaos in Sri Lanka is facile and asinine to say the least. Rejecting the global fertiliser and pesticide industry plus GMO crops is upsetting to Mr Globo Cap and the banksters – hence the chaos.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Iain McCausland

 the global fertiliser and pesticide industry 

Who are so much nicer than Pfizer 🙂

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Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Exactly. The same mindset behind the experimental gene therapy from Big Pharma is at play in world food production. Local natural food production is anathema to them as is natural health care like exercise and vitamin D.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Iain McCausland

And was there ever a good explanation for those rigged vitamin D trials (which obviously went in big pharma’s favour)?

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Sontol
Sontol
3 years ago
Reply to  Iain McCausland

In spite of the slightly misleading title the section of the article cited above was not about general economic chaos in Sri Lanka but rather the looming threat of famine, ie mass starvation.

With that in mind please explain how the ‘upset’ of ‘Mr Globo Cap and the banksters’ could cause a decline in rice yield from 3.39 to 2.92 million tonnes as opposed to the politically and ideologically inspired imposition of an organic / chemical free (ie archaic and inefficient) method of farming.

In fact all the major worldwide organs influencing individual states such as the UN / World Bank / IMF / WHO / WEF, plus nearly all independent banks and other financial institutions, are entirely behind the poverty and starvation-inducing Green / Climate Change project (though the Sri Lankan government is ultimately responsible for all the policies it pursues).

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

It is so much easier to attack weaker countries with ruin. Places like Sri Lanka are sitting ducks for the likes of the WEF. Does anyone really think the WEF is looking out for the little guy?

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Backlash
3 years ago

That lot need to stop breeding like rabbits

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